"Do they Laugh at me or do they laugh at you Rakothûrz. Since your kind arrived in my father's lands, I have not seen you in battle at the forefront leading your army in battle. It has always been another. You say you have seen more then death and are still here. That is because you are a Coward and are afraid to fight. You say that Orcs are not fall for petty trickery, but they seemed to have with you. You say you do not fear death, so why do you hide when the battle rages, why do you not fight with your warriors? I ask your Orc chieftens, where has your leader been during battle? I have fought at the front of the battle with my men each time I faced your kind. Some of you I know have seen me there and my standard." he pointed to the one flying now over the walls of the fortress. Do I lie? Am I trying to trick you? Rakothûrz says for me to come down and fight him. That I shall! Will you stand down and watch. See who will win and if I should will you depart. Or will you follow your Cowardly Leader's ways?<br/><br/>There were looks from the Orc Chieftens. They Looked at Rakothûrz. What the human said was true. Their Leader never fought with them. Always was he in the rear giving orders, and never fighting. Orcs might be brutal but they revered bravery, and fighting skill. Rakothûrz had showed that long ago, but he had not for some time. Since the fall of Sauron he had not fought alongside them. There was no laughter, as all eyes of the Orc Army turned to look at their leader. The humans words held truth. Some had indeed seen Thorgan at the head of his men fighting with them, facing death the same as they did. Thorgan liked what he saw. Discord, uncertainty. He looked down at Allassiel. "I am not mad. Give me your sword. It will help me deal with his strength as it did for you with me. He is powerful but I think he has slowed because of his change. You said you did not kill him, there fore you defeated him and we could not defeat each other in our sparing. I think I have a better chance then any other to defeat him and in front of his warriors. Will it not take time for them to select another? Have faith in me." he jumped down and took her into his arms.