 Welcome to the WAN Show guys, we are finally live. Apparently I needed to set up a stream key because I hadn't configured one before and for some reason my Twitch credentials were not a thing. So we have a fantastic show for you guys and I know I always say that but in reality the goal over here is that we never bring you a terrible show. We have pizza and graphics cards in this show. Yeah we have pizza, graphics cards, special guest Steve Gato. Steve Gato? I don't even know what I'm going to call him. Special guest Steve Gato will be joining us in about 20 minutes. He's an industry veteran when it comes to tech broadcasting so it will be kind of interesting to get a bit of a different perspective. We brought on a lot of YouTuber guests but Steve actually had his own TV show back in the day so he does radio broadcast now so that will be pretty cool. Of course the big topics this week, the R9 290 launched and the GeForce GTX 780 Ti launched. Those were both huge graphics card launches, equally relevant, not like some of the ones we've had over the last little while where it's like yay the same thing with actually the same sticker. We didn't even change the sticker. There was a lot of that that went on. We've also got Call of Duty Ghosts is apparently terrible. I can't necessarily vouch for that one way or the other. Neither of us have played it but like wow the reviews. The reviews are terrible. I mean the thing is that I think a lot of the time gamers can be harsh about things that displease them. And blow things out of proportion. And blow things out of proportion. I mean there was the whole thing where President Obama's Facebook was getting spammed with people being upset about Valve not running a holiday Halloween thing. And I'm kind of looking at this going like... Like President Obama and like Volvo and all those kinds of stuff. Yeah it's like I understand your butt hurt about Valve not doing a thing but the cold hard truth is they don't have to and President Obama doesn't care about that. I hope he doesn't. I hope he doesn't. Focus on more important things. Yeah I hope Obama is focused on more important stuff. Unless he plays Dota. Like fixing all this NSA nonsense. Google actually has a couple employees that have been speaking out about the NSA. More on that in a moment and I'll let you actually introduce a couple topics too at some point here or I could just keep talking and you would never have an opportunity to say anything. Go go go go. Well that's usually how the streams run. Well not usually. Most of the time. Which could be seen as usually. You're so fired. So our first topic if you can bring it up on your laptop is... Oh no there were other topics to introduce. Nvidia, Tegra. Oh you talked for so long I thought you got through them all. No I actually just got completely sidetracked. Okay so Nvidia Tegra Note 7 is a thing and it's an awesome thing and I think only 200 bucks you get a really nice IPS screen and like Nvidia Shield capabilities to certain degrees which is like all I really need to care about about that device for it to be awesome. On the fact I think I said that it's already 200 bucks and Microsoft promises to better the future of PC gaming keyword by getting rid of Windows, Windows Live. Games for Windows Live. Yeah which is already a huge step in the right direction. So without further ado intro time. So guys our sponsor for the show today is Squarespace. You can visit squarespace.com slash Linus and if you use offer code Linus11 you will get a 10% discount after your free trial. So Squarespace is the easy way to create a custom professional looking website for your blog, business, store or whatever else you happen to need and guys stay tuned for the rest of the show because we are going to have a special giveaway to do with Squarespace later on and we'll give you the full details. Those who were watching the pre-show will probably already know about it and are probably already flooding the Twitch chat with it but not too much so far but it might be the lay so I don't know. Yeah trust me it'll be cool it's gonna be awesome. Alright so let's move into our first topic here. Pizza pizza pizza. Pizza.be.en. This is the most amazing website that I think anyone has ever seen ever. Apparently you have to reselect your language but that's okay. So apparently manually navigating to slash en doesn't actually make it English but I'll let you explain what this is because if you guys recall last week on the stream we had a pizza delivered in the middle of the stream which was amazing and it was from some of the guys on the forum. Thank you so much for that but this this takes it to a whole new level. So these guys have a few websites around like Europe and Scandinavia and a few other places. The pizza dot whatever and if you go to their website if you live there you can put in your address and it'll show all the different options for pizza like all of them that will deliver to your address. So say you live there you can just be like I want to try a new pizza place. My address. Oh I have all of these options. So you're a tourist you can go to the website select English type in the address which is possibly the only thing you know how to say in that country because it was written down for you and you can have pizza delivered which is sweet. I know multiple times that would have been helpful when I was visiting somewhere could not speak the language and wanted to eat something because that can actually be surprisingly difficult. I just bought a pizza. I just bought a pizza. So like it should be this is this is the one for Belgium and it should be this easy everywhere but this is the only one I really know of. I think they have like a UK one and a Belgium one and a Netherlands one. I like think that's it and I just thought this was fantastic so I wanted to share the awesomeness with everybody. All right so we have an article up next on Eurogamer.net so let's go ahead and fire this baby up. Xbox One launch title devs on the Xbox One power debate because if you guys have been paying any attention to PlayStation 4 versus Xbox One the general consensus seems to be that PS4 has something like 50 percent more raw horsepower in terms of producing graphical stuff and that could amount to as much as I think the example I saw was Tomb Raider where they were saying around a 25 percent better frame rate like 25 percent better performance. Yeah there's extra headroom because the Xbox is doing all this other stuff all at the same time. Right because guys the hardware inside them is actually very similar it's just the way that it's being implemented and remember too though that Xbox One has all of that cloud processing that can throw at game developers in order to potentially. But then there's certain issues with people having fast enough connections and all sorts of things. Of course of course so I mean the experience might be better or worse for certain people we don't actually know how that's all going to come out yet but anyway the article has them quoted saying it's less to do with the specs and more to do with what you do with those specs. So let's go ahead and have a look at sort of some of the examples of what they're doing with said specs. Dead Rising 3 720p 30 FPS. Forza Motorsport 5 1080p 60 FPS. Okay that's good that is how every if you're going to call something next generation that is how every single next generation thing should be running because 1080p 60 FPS ain't next generation for the PC gamers out there. No that's like acceptable. That's like okay yeah that looks alright. But I mean the thing about something like Forza is racing games have already looked about as good as they're going to look for like five years. I mean have you seen dramatically improved visuals in a racing game in the last few years. Just because everyone's making them for consoles. It could look better if it's on a PC. Okay okay it could look better if it's on but there's not that much you can do. You can make the car shinier. I mean look at what they do in Need for Speed. It's like oh add all the reflections. But you could add detail to the road. You could add detail to anyone that's watching on the side of the road. Like the cars are highly detailed. But in theory you're moving so fast that the detail of the dude standing there. As you slow down at the finish line you'll notice like they can make changes. Everyone works pretty hard on like the chick that walks between the cars and is like waves around the thing and then you know work on jiggle physics or whatever else they're going to do because that's what apparently gamers want according to game devs. No idea where they got that idea. So they work on certain things but yes they could improve the visual fidelity but in terms of the actual racing experience the trees already look great. You know the landscapes already look pretty good. Landscapes haven't been that demanding for a while especially when you're going along at 250 miles an hour. But they could add more grass and stuff. They could add more grass. Really look at what you're asking for. They could add more grass. They have to find places to improve. We've had this thing forever. When you double polygon count it becomes less noticeable over time. Diminishing returns of noticeable improvements. So they have to find places to improve. That is somewhere that they could improve. Basically a racing game is pretty easy to optimize for is what we're trying to say because short of adding more grass there's not much that remains to be done in terms of improving the visual fidelity. So that one runs at 1080p 60fps. Next up we've got Rise Son of Rome running at 900p 30fps. So it couldn't quite make it at 1080p. It needed 900p which 900p upscale to 1080p is actually not going to look that bad. And then Connect Sports Rivals. Really a Kinect game that runs at 1080p 30fps. Kinect Sports game. 1080p 30fps. So to me I'm looking at this kind of going... Okay. You can talk about how it's less to do with specs and more to do with what you do with them. But your specs are horrible. Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 launched with compelling truly next generation specs. The PS3's processor was like interesting, hard to harness but interesting. But very interesting and very powerful. Whereas Xbox One and PS4 are coming in pretty far behind the 8-Ball from the very start. And I think looking at the settings that these games that really from again, so even looking at last generation console games and the way that they ran on PC, we're not looking at any kind of improvement in fidelity compared to that. And there's a lot of talk about how consoles will get much better over time in terms of what the developers can squeeze out of them. Which is true. A great example of that is Grand Theft Auto 5. It looks absolutely fantastic compared to almost anything else that you can even play on an Xbox 360. And yet... The thing is they're starting so far behind right now. Like before they tried really hard so they got kind of close to be completely honest to what a lot of people were getting on a PC experience. Now they're starting so far behind at the start that by the time they catch up, we'll all be so ridiculously far ahead that it will again not matter. With that said, the pace of development of PC hardware has slowed down a lot. We've noticed that. I mean, there hasn't been a reason to upgrade your CPU in almost four years. I'm not going to talk too much about it, but the fact that I got under 30 FPS average running with the Baller Sauce card from Nvidia at 2560x1600 actually, while it ran it very well in comparison to other cards, I was still like, I'm really not that impressed. I want one that's like twice as good. Literally. Yeah. And we're not seeing that same pace of development anymore, but there's technical difficulties. We did talk about that a little bit on last week's show. Oh yeah, definitely. Alright, so we've got a couple of our quick topics here before we jump into our guest segment which will be in about 10 minutes. Another quick thing I actually wanted to add about that previous topic was there's a quote saying the load screens isn't a bullet point that any gamers are going to be like, sweet no load screens about. What? Speaking of no load screens though, hold on. Yeah, and gamers care about no load screens by the way. Like that was a huge thing in GTA V. Everyone was like, yeah, big initial load screen, but then no, none after that, which is awesome. So speaking of load screens, the PlayStation 4 has been confirmed with a teardown. I think he's like their head of technical something or other. I can't remember. I don't think it's actually in here as a story, but maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Anyway, so you know what, control FPS 4, because I thought maybe it was in here. I'm not sure what you're talking about. PlayStation, yeah, no, it's not in here. Anyway, so they did an official teardown and what they revealed is that the two and a half inch drive inside can be replaced with any two and a half inch drive. I thought that's old news. Even an SSD though. Ooh. That's interesting. So that's cool. Bye bye load screens. Bye bye. See ya. That's actually really interesting. I can't wait modding consoles. Yes. One terabyte SSD in PS4. I mean, you'd be spending twice as much on that SSD as you spent on the console in the first place, but you'd be having again, so anything that makes a console more like a PC is makes it better. So I was really excited to hear about that. That's really interesting. I hadn't heard of that before. That is such an uncharacteristically Sony, modder friendly thing to do that I thought was incredibly cool. Probably wasn't intentional. Well, can we give them the benefit of the doubt here? Sure. Maybe. I still don't really think it was intentional, but sure, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. All right, we'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Rapid fire topic. All right, rapid fire topic number one here is- Are we going to do a Twitter blitz before the guests? Yeah, guys, hit us with a few Twitter questions. We'll do a Twitter blitz in the last five minutes before the guests, but we have one of our rapid fire topics here. Did you know that the iPhone 2G is a collector's item? So the article here is from, no idea how to pronounce this, but 2o.com, and it was posted on the forum by Carl Iskra, and someone is trying to sell an iPhone 2G for an asking price of $2,000. And there are folks asking as much as $5,000 for unopened units. I think that this is a sealed new inbox. Yeah, so this one's sealed new inbox for two grand. Now let's talk about the collector mentality a little bit for a second here, because I think you and I both looked at this and went, what are they, high? Yeah. But- I sat down and thought about it for a little bit later, and while I wouldn't spend $2,000 on any of these things, I still go out and buy very old school cartridge games. Yeah, like he bought a Power Glove not that long ago. Yeah, I bought a Power Glove. And how much did you pay for that? $20. Okay, that's a really good deal. Yeah. No, I'm not going to spend $2,000 on anything. No, no, not $2,000, but would you pay- For $30? It was under $50. Classic SNES game. Let's talk Donkey Kong Country new inbox. What's that worth? To you, personally. To me, I'd spend a bit on it, not too freaking $1,000. But more than it was worth when it was new? Probably. Because I would say, okay, new inbox Donkey Kong Country got to be worth at least a few hundred bucks, probably more. I don't know if I'd spend a few hundred bucks on it, but it's probably worth at least that much. I'd probably pay a hundred for it. I'd pay more than retail. I'd probably be somewhere around there. If you look at something like the iPhone and kind of go, okay, well, A, it revolutionized things. I mean, you look at how much original Apple IIs will go for. If you can find an Apple II that's mint condition- New inbox, like so much money. So much money. So it's kind of game changing. The only thing that bothers me about this is it really wasn't that long ago. Yeah. See, and like- I mean, that's the problem. I got no problem with collecting and I got no problem with paying more than sticker price. Like I can very clearly remember when that came out. But this was like five years ago. I mean, like I have clothing that's older than the iPhone. I have lots of clothing that's older than the iPhone. Most of my clothing is older than the iPhone. Me too. That's funny. Yeah, that's what kind of blew my mind about it. And yeah, I don't know. I understand the collector mentality, but like, geez. But geez. Okay. So this was posted by Top War Gamer on the forum. Bill Gates says, internet connectivity, whoops, doesn't mean much if you're dying of starvation. And while I agree to a great extent, because I know this came up a little while ago when Google was planning their whole internet connected blimps floating over developing countries thing so everyone could have connectivity. So it came up a little while ago, him saying something similar. But is it really fair to take shots at guys who are trying to improve the information infrastructure in these regions? Yes, food and yes, disease control is important, but we have to move forward in all these ways. And a big part of the problem in many developing countries is lack of knowledge. Fear of things like vaccines, for example, is a very huge obstacle to the people who are trying to give vaccines and clean water and give aid to these people. So I mean, while I don't necessarily think that every starving African child needs a laptop and an internet connection, I think having community internet connection is critical. But I also agree with them 100% that it is not a replacement for food, clean water, disease control and all these kinds of things. But like I said in the notes, but a multi-pronged approach is probably the best thing. You can't just improve one thing at a time or else it'll take infinite amount of time. I mean, a great way of looking at that is if you gave everyone all the food and then no water, then it's not like you've actually helped them in any way. They need food, water, shelter. And keeping, oh, this is going to maybe sound brutal, but like if you cure them all of malaria, they still need to be able to develop their country. And one of the fastest ways they're going to be able to do that is being able to have access to the internet so they can learn things very quickly and work on developing the area around them. I mean, education is something that we can all agree is important. You look at building schools in Africa or in other developing nations or continents. I'm sorry, Africa is not a nation. I know that, trust me. So you look at building schools and you kind of go, yeah, that's really important and that's expensive. So then yes, internet access in my mind is important because we're not talking about playing Angry Birds or Flash games on Newgrounds.com. We're talking about having access to knowledge. Like research websites, Wikipedia, all this kind of stuff so you can learn. All right. It might not be citable, it's still helpful. Let's go ahead and have a look at what we've got for our Twitter blitz. We've got a few minutes here before we pull in Steve Dotto. I'll bet it's all like R9, 290 and 780. Yeah. All right, guys, we will talk about it. Yeah, first one. Oh, second one, sorry. Second one. All right, it's doing that thing where I can't scroll down because Twitter in Chrome for some reason just hates its life. So I just got to wait. I just got to wait and be a patient guy. We can do it verbally. So the second comment here, which isn't quite on stream yet. Page unresponsiveness. Genius. Now I can't read it. There we go. Oh, wow. Did it go past? Oh, there it is. Okay, here we go. Christopher, go. Worth the wait for the 800 series in your personal opinion or splurge for the 780 Ti, which may lose its value soon? That really depends on how you want to see things. I'm probably going to be waiting for the 800 series just because I'm interested in the new architecture, but the 780 Ti is a beast machine. So I don't know. This kind of stuff, like it's always impossible because if you just wait for everything, you could just be waiting for everything forever because things are released so quickly. Wow. Twitter is being worse than usual. It's actually a problem. Oh, here we go. Okay. Age 220. Still the best AIO cooler or is there something else? I believe there's a triple model, but other than that, yeah, it's still about as good as it gets for a dual model. I like the old unboxing intro. Cool. Do you think it's going to be long until AMD comes out with a solution like G-Sync? They haven't talked about it at all. So no idea, but I really hope that they either license G-Sync or come up with their own competing solution. Preferably, I would like to see everyone using the same thing and there'll be a little bit more about this later when we talk about Mantle versus G-Sync versus PhysX and how I really feel it's unfair to the gamer that when they buy a game, they actually can't have the complete experience no matter what hardware they have without having like two PCs and then sitting and playing the game side by side at each of them. Well here I can see the physics. Take one step and then like slide over and take another step. Here I get true audio for better immersion. Like we're, you know what? You could have... If you played the, whoa, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm on the same one. A display that takes two inputs. So you could actually overlay. It wouldn't work, trust me. And like keyboard mapping so you can play on two different machines at the same time and then the true audio so you have your headphones plugged into the one. Yeah. Best photo editing monitor for 200 to 300 dollars. Check out the Asus ProArt series although frankly for actual real color work especially if you're doing any printing. Sorry man. 10 bit. Which case in the one to $140 range should I get? I'm using an H100 and planning to get a custom loop in the future. You can get an R4 for in there. Yeah or, ooh, ArcMidi R2 would be a good choice if you're going custom water cooling. The PS3 since day one had a replaceable hard drive that could be easily swapped. Well there you go. Great. The PS4 continues that proud tradition and apparently the PS3 one could be an SSD as well. So there you go. Didn't know that. Wasn't super into consoles. Yeah. It is what it is. Three must have free games and three must have paid games. Okay. Oh I think that was a question. R3 of each. Okay. What do you think about the new YouTube comments? Oh trust me we'll be talking about that actually with our guest here in a moment. First time watching from the UK just got a K70 with Browns after watching your unboxing. Nice. Good job. So he's probably like the majority of our views on that if you watched it 35,000 times. How's an A10 6800K with Radeon? Doesn't matter for Crossfire? No, no Crossfire. Do not run an APU with a graphics card. Okay. Let that sink in for a minute. Buy an APU that doesn't have as good of an onboard graphics card and buy a better graphics card. Pick up a 7770. There's no excuse for not just saving 30 bucks on the APU. So the 6790K I think is coming in a couple weeks. Grab one of those. Grab the 7770. Boom. Same price, much better performance. I really never recommend APU Crossfire yet. Who are you guys rooting for on WCS finals? I'll let you feel that. I don't even know who's playing. I don't follow Pro Gaming at all. I've spent so much time with benching lately. I haven't been out for a long time. He's hardly slept this week. Yeah. From the UK, I want to get an R9 290 but Nvidia GTX 780 is tempting because of Shadowplay. What to get is it worth the money? Well, if you were planning to have a dedicated capture PC or you were planning to buy an additional capture card like device, then the 780 starts to really show its value. With that in mind, Shadowplay doesn't work with everything. No OpenGL support. There was something else that was critical. Like Minecraft. Doesn't support actually live streaming to Twitch yet. It's not quite there yet. So if you can wait a little bit longer, then great. We had some audio issues with it, but I don't know if that's going to be a thing. I have no idea. It's in beta right now. And we were using beta drivers. We were using beta drivers. Pre-release drivers for the graphics card. With beta Shadowplay. With beta Shadowplay. So we don't know. All right. Yeah. So let's call that it for that particular Twitter Blitz and let's bring on our guest, Steve. We are bringing you in now. Welcome to the show. How are you, Steve? I'm doing great. How are you guys? We are fantastic. So we've got a few great topics to discuss, but I'd like to start with having you just introduce yourself to the audience if they haven't already heard of you. And tell us about where they can find you and what you're all about. Well, for 15 years I hosted and produced Dotto Tech, which was a nationally syndicated TV show here in Canada. So all of your international viewers are probably going, who the heck is that? And that's fair enough. Most of the Canadian viewers or listeners should know who I am. So it was a how-to computer show. Back in the day, like when we showed people how to upgrade their modems from 14.4 to 28.8, it was awesome stuff. And we did that for a good long time and then stopped doing it a few years back. And I've kind of shifted my emphasis now to online. I've got a small by your standard YouTube channel. I still do my how-to stuff and radio show that we produce each week. And I do a lot of public speaking, talk about the social impact of technology and that kind of stuff. So they can find me at DottoTech.com or at YouTube slash DottoTech. All right. Now I've got a DottoTech season five episode here that I'm going to go ahead and pull up. Hold on a second. Let me just, let me just. Oh yeah. I'm talking like I've been punked. Oh, this is great. Hold on, hold on. You guys are going to love this. Okay. Here we go. Oh my. Look at that computer. Awesome. All right. All right, Steve, I'm not going to, I'm not going to make you suffer too much. I hate watching old stuff of myself as much as, as much as anyone does. Oh, we lost sound when you did that. Unfortunately. Oh, unfortunately. It was fresh. They lost sound. Okay. It's epic. It's epic. But let's start with talking about some of the ways that new media has changed the way that you've seen interaction with audiences and the change, the way that you used to do things. I mean, for one thing, the equipment required and the expense has decreased significantly since you first started up. I don't hear Steve right now. We just talked. We just what? Just connected and reconnected. Oh, sorry guys. We just disconnected and reconnected. What wireless network are you on? I can't change the other one. Oh, you can't change to the other one. Right. That's fantastic. Okay. So we'll have Steve back in just a moment here. So this is the most sort of brilliant thing ever that I'm super thrilled about right now. Okay. So I've got a hotspot up. Go ahead and connect to me if you can. Here. Yeah, I got it. Okay. Okay. Experia. Yep. I'll enter the password. I think you missed there. Miss click. Connect. I knew that one. Oh, you have that memorized? Yeah. Wow. Okay. I'm surprised. All right. So once we get connected here, we should be good to go. I think the stream actually went down for a little bit too. Nope. We haven't dropped any frames. Okay. Cool. So in theory, we are still completely streaming. 100%. Everything is streaming. We just need to get Steve back on here. We need to actually be on the internet on the laptop, which would be super helpful. Wait what? Portable hotspot, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, discoverable, power safe. Linus portable hotspot tips. No internet access on the portable hotspot. You have to be kidding me. Linus mobile configuration tips. Okay. That could actually be a small problem. So I'm going to get you to do a couple of rapid fire topics while we get Steve back. I'm just going to pop my sim into another phone because I just discovered something about the Experia Z1 that I'm incredibly not impressed about. So it looks like it has a little bit of trouble sharing that 3G data in its default configuration. So I'm going to... Hey, hey, hey. Whoa, whoa, are we in? Am I back? Yep. Oh, we're back. We're back. Okay. Woo. So it just took a minute there. All right, Experia Z1, you're safe. I'm sure glad it's you guys doing that. It's good to see it from the other side, I'm sure. That used to be me doing that stuff. Yeah. All right. So Steve, welcome back to the show. Well, I can sit back and relax. So speaking of inexpensive equipment. Well, thanks for having me on, guys. Speaking of inexpensive equipment and the way that it has made this kind of broadcast more accessible, how do you think that's really changed the dynamic, even though it doesn't always work 100% of the time? You know, and it doesn't matter that it doesn't work 100% of the time. It's so universal now. You know, a half hour TV show that we used to produce that you would have seen there, there was about a total of about 35 people who touched that show from start to finish, be it cameramen, floor directors, audio guys, you know, the whole team. And it would cost us anywhere from the neighborhood of, and we were really cost efficient, we'd cost us 35 or $40,000 an episode to produce a half hour of content, which there was what, 22 minutes of real content. And so five, six product demos, 20, 40,000 bucks. How does that sound as far as value compared to what you can produce now, right? Or what we can produce just with a simple screen cast or what you guys do with your weekly, with your daily unboxing videos. It's amazing when you talk about a budget like 30, $40,000. I look at that and I go, yeah, that that will run Linus Tech Tips for weeks, like weeks upon weeks and hours upon hours of content. And we used to have the sponsors to support it because there was no there was no channel to do anything else. So although the you know, the quality and the technical issues, you know, they aren't what we produce today is not what we call broadcast quality for network television. It's still the content and the message is just as valuable. And it's just it's just far more democratic as far as getting it out. But the audience has changed so much. I mean, you know, we talk about all the changes in the in the economic model of sponsorship and streaming and you know, how we how we fund these different products. The bottom line is our audiences changed from viewers who were passive and would sit down there and turn us on and watch us on TV to now they're now we have a relationship with them. I mean, you guys have this fantastic comment stream going live while you're broadcasting your show, which means everybody's completely engaged. You can have a conversation with them. That to me is the most exciting part of the whole thing. It's just it's there. There's just extra layers of dynamics that really go far beyond whatever we lose as far as the odd technical glitch or the you know, the fact that the audio isn't quite as good as it used to be. So did you guys record an entire season of Dotto Tech at a time and then just have to kind of sit there and wait to figure out if anyone even liked it and then back to the drawing board for the next season? Oh, why? Why would care if people liked it or not? It's if the sponsors liked it. That was what happened. A little bit crass there. But you know, the bottom line was that was my customer was, you know, it was Microsoft and it was semantic and it was Adobe. That was my customer. Now, I did a good job of paying attention to what the viewers liked. But that was a luxury. That wasn't the essential part of the business. We produced the show. We would start in we would start production in August for a delivery in September. And it took us in. So we would produce about two shows a week for until until just around Christmas time to get our 13 shows in and between one and two shows per week. And in the way that I worked the shifts in the later days when we were at City TV in Vancouver is we worked in a four hour shift. So in a four hour shift, I would always try and get about 25 minutes of content done, which would give us a single show. And we tried to work it out like that. And then we had a couple of extra shifts overall. So we would do it in about 13 13 days in studio to do 13 episodes. Wow. It's so different. A lot more a lot more prep. I mean, for us. Oh, it is. And we had teleprompters. Yeah. Oh, it's you know, in a lot of some of the skills are the same, but the production, the production techniques are so different. I mean, things that we take absolutely for granted today. I mean, felt like we were breaking new ground back in the day. When we first started doing our show in 1995, we were we were showing products like Windows 95 and the Mac OS early days. You know, we would we actually had three broadcast cameras focused on a single LCD monitor that we'd figured out how to mirror the display. And I mean, we think nothing of mirroring a display today. But in the in those days, it's really cool the fact that we could take a video card and we could make the same image appear on two different devices at the same time. And our first LCD display that we bought was around six thousand dollars for a seven and a half inch display that we would get, but we only dealing with six forty by four eighty resolution. And then we had two cameras, one locked off in a long shot and a full screen shot and another one that went in tight on the menus and followed the puck as I was doing my demos. And I actually choreographed it with the camera guy on this huge camera. It was a studio camera. It's one of the ones that you see on, you know, in the old TV shows, the camera weighed like seven hundred pounds on a pedestal. Right. And he would actually move in and dolly around on the screen. He just used moving that huge camera, just a microscopic amount to follow me in a close up on the screen as I was showing a drop down menu to show how to save a file or change a font. But that was that was what that was what differentiated our show from the others is that you could see the screens. And remember, then we were in standard definition television. This was all going out into standard definition with, you know, really low resolution out to screens. I mean, there was probably people watching on black and white TV. I'm not sure, but it could have been. And at any rate, you know, so for us, that attention to detail and exclamation, that was what one of the things that set our show apart and gave us the legs to last for 15 years. Right. So now it's completely different because if we don't want one every single day. Yeah, we have to pump content. And the other thing is we can't really give much thought at all to what our sponsors think about things. I mean, some of our sponsors are guys like Corsair, Intel, AMD is actually we're going to start rolling ads for them starting in probably about a week or two. And that doesn't mean that our show can't contain criticisms of these guys because they it absolutely has to. The audience has gotten so savvy and they've got the ability to interact with you so quickly and interact with each other so well that if you were to say something that, you know, for whatever reason isn't true or somehow misleads them or, you know, blows sunshine up a sponsor's butt, you will get destroyed immediately. It's like game over for you. The content creators have a completely different approach to how they interact with their audiences. And when you go back 20 years, the world was not we didn't have that dialogue. That's where that audience dialogue, it creates much more accountability. But in those days, you know, we weren't quite the men world, but I would go to my sponsors, you know, three, four, five months before we take the shows and we will be discussing what stories they wanted, what stories they wanted to have promoted. So I would know their product map, you know, a year in advance. I'd be under NDA for them as far as what products were coming down the pipe. And I had a deal with them. I mean, the thing is that we established one thing I'm proud of is we established a lot of credibility in the space, which I still maintain today. But a part of that credibility came from there was times when I had honest conversations with sponsors and saying, I don't like this product. I can't tell a good story about it. I don't feel right about it. And they always they always said, yeah, we get it. And they didn't want to they didn't want to undermine the credibility of our product. So we even though we were definitely bought and paid for the you know, I made sure that I didn't do reviews, but instead I showed how the technology fit in our lives so I could always add value to the technology that way. And that's how we kind of skirted around that issue. I mean, I in some ways that was, you know, it was not it was nice to have just that one customer that I had to keep happy back in the day. And so but in a lot of ways, I think what you guys are doing is just as challenging now because you can make an honest mistake. You can think something's cool or you can you can, you know, not fact check as well as you probably should. But how can you when you're producing five or six shows a week and then make a little mistake and all of a sudden, you know, between the Twittersphere and everything else, it gets completely blown out of proportion and you're all of a sudden in defense in a in an area where you've got some people that like you, some people that don't like you, a lot of people that are jealous of you and they're just looking for weakness to come after you. So you've got you've got some really incredible challenges as well. It's a lot of fun, though. One thing actually that I noticed he said city coordinates with sponsors like four or five months beforehand, like Linus coordinates with sponsors sometimes like four or five hours before. And it's like, oh, it's a show coming. You want to get all that sponsorship. I mean, we'll receive we'll receive a new product. We'll receive our briefing if we're lucky a week before it launches. And then we'll have the product in hand with software that makes it work. Maybe three or four days beforehand. Sometimes we'll get a driver a day before it releases. This is the world we live in today. I mean, I can't imagine. I mean, you know, you and I live in a YouTube world where we do an awful lot with Google. And I can't imagine a world like 15 years ago, us talking about a product that was put out and never became anything but beta with zero technical support and zero documentation yet given out and been embraced by the whole world with almost no support or no thought of support behind it. And I mean, that's that's that's one of the most profound changes that we see is, you know, the web delivery of tools like Gmail or or like YouTube. I mean, trying to figure out things on YouTube to how to do anything that's of a technical nature. It's just a voyage of discovery for each of us. Which by the way, guys, right, you do some things wrong and viewers, by the way, don't worry, we are talking with Steve about the integration of Google Plus and YouTube. That's coming next. Anyway, sorry, go ahead, Steve. But but well, in what you guys just went through with the technical glitch here, you know, I guarantee you that this software that you're using, I've never used it before, but I bet you there's almost no documentation on it. And there's you know, and there's in this probably, you know, you probably just kind of you say, oh, what happens if I click on this? And you've gone through that whole process very often with the oops, I shouldn't have clicked on that because bad things happen then. Well, that never used to happen for us. So it's it is a it's a much faster moving in a world where you really have to be much later on your feet. And and I also have a really thick skin because it's really easy to take a misstep. All right, let's talk about Google Plus and the way that YouTube and Google have crammed the integration of Google Plus down our throats on YouTube, the world's either number two or number one can never remember which one it is search engine. So basically, for those of you who haven't been in the loop over the last couple days, I'll sync you up. So Google has been prompting us when we log into YouTube periodically to change our names, use our real names, link to a Google Plus account and do all of these things for actually quite some time now. And up until now, up until I believe it was yesterday, for most people, you could just click ignore. For some reason, Steve's continuous transmission is picking up something in the background. Oh, Steve, you got something in the background there. I don't know what it is, but hopefully, hopefully it's my dog just ran through. Was that it? Okay, it's better now. Okay, anyway. So now as of getting as of about no, we're good as of about yesterday, Google Plus is required in order to leave a comment on a YouTube video. So this is YouTube, Google's sneaky underhanded way to go. Okay, you want to join a giveaway on YouTube. You want to talk to your favorite content creator. You want to do anything you want to interact. You want to find someone who's wrong on the internet and correct them. You will need a Google Plus account. So Steve, let's hear your thoughts on this. What's the impact here? You don't sound at all biased on it. I ain't happy, man. I ain't happy. I'm not unhappy. I think, and it shows that I'm 30 years older than you or 25 years older than you. The old guy syndrome. Some accountability has to be made on this damned internet. It can't be this wild and open thing that it is. But really, for me, when I first saw community in my channel, it was about a month ago that I first started getting a hint that this was coming myself. And they released community. Do you remember the day that you saw that little community badge in your YouTube feed? Yeah, I kind of went, oh, really? It's coming, eh? I went, oh, really? I didn't go, oh, really, because it gave me an opportunity to begin to have a dialogue with my viewer base. Because to me, YouTube subscriptions had always been nothing more than Facebook likes as far as long-term value. Because I couldn't really talk to the people who were subscribing to my YouTube channel. I could deliver video to them. But really, the relationship was no different than what I had with viewers on TV. I didn't have a real good... They could post occasionally online, but I didn't really know them. And there wasn't an active conversation in my channel. Now, my experience might be a little different than yours. So I would always try and drive people off of YouTube wherever I could onto my own blog site, so that I could capture their information into an email list, so that I could have a conversation with them. And at some point, so that I could perhaps maybe sell them something downstream. Because that's how I choose to make a living. So this opportunity all of a sudden to see their real Google Plus profile, to have a name attached, to be able to include them in a circle, and now to be able to start to have a conversation with them in this channel, that to me was really exciting. And more than anything else, I didn't think this was an insult to the people's privacy who were subscribing to our channel or chatting. I thought this was the biggest in-your-face Facebook move that Google has done in a long time. One thing that I worry about, he said there like the older mentality, like you shouldn't be able to hide behind things. It also worries me though, because if you say something that's an opinion, even if it's a widely accepted opinion, if someone disagrees with it, they can find your Google Plus page. And using certain things that they find on your Google Plus page, they can find more information about you. It's surprisingly easy to find someone's address, to find someone's phone number, to do all that kind of stuff nowadays with how connected everything is. So that little bit of anonymity while it carries in really annoying things like massive amounts of trolling and people fighting constantly, I think also protects us from some possible issues like I don't want someone knocking on my door with a baseball bat because they're pissed off because of something I said on the internet. Yeah, I mean and the other thing too for me is it's not necessarily about people who disagree with unreasonable stuff. Like if you were to come out and say, you know, all sheep need to die and we should kill all the sheep or something along those lines, and someone in your country, you know, or someone in another country disagrees or agrees with you but in their country that's not a widely held opinion. And even though maybe or even if you had a perfectly reasonable opinion like, you know, t-shirts that are made out of cotton are great but if in some country a t-shirt made out of cotton is illegal and someone agrees with you and then all of a sudden they're being persecuted. Steve, can you say something real quick? I'm sorry? If he says something, it possibly picks something up in the background. If he says something, it autocorrects where his voice is and then he doesn't pick up it. Oh yeah, I think your mic's automatically adjusting gain so when you don't say anything for a while, it just tries to find you. So it raises the levels. So okay, so what about the privacy that does need to be protected? Do you want me to just hum in the background lightly? That sounds wonderful. There's, you know, that's, that's, you know, I hadn't thought about it from that perspective to be honest. I think you guys have, you know, brought a different, a different aspect into focus and to be, from Google's perspective, if I was to speak for them, I don't think that they care frankly about that perspective. I think what they care about is the fact that they want people to sign up for a Google Plus account. They want that, they want to be able to give the content providers a sense of access to their community and it's all going to be about downstream monetization. I mean the one thing we haven't seen in Google Plus is a monetization model for content publishers, not within Google Plus. We've seen it within YouTube, we've seen it within Facebook, we haven't seen it within Google Plus and I still don't necessarily see how it's exactly going to resolve through this move, but it's another step down that road. And so I imagine that the community is, it's, I imagine that the reason that they've done it now is YouTube is so powerful and so strong, I can't imagine a startup network competing with it very easily right now and that's probably a part of their game plan is they wanted to push this out at a time when it was going to be difficult for somebody to have an option because really at the end of the day, what are our options? What is the consumer's option and what is our as a content provider's option? Are you going to start pushing through Vimeo and say, you know, I can turn Vimeo and are you going to reach your half a million subscribers through Vimeo? No, we're, you know, we are tied at the hip to these guys now. Yep, and that's one of the reasons that I object so much to the Google Plus integration because up until now, I have had a choice how I want to engage with my viewers. I have been able to say, I want to engage with you on Twitter or I've been able to say, I want to engage with you by email. Steve, quick, say something. Just, yes, I'm going to talk right now. Okay. I've been able to engage with them. Do you want me to adjust the settings here on this at all? Let's just, let's not worry about it for now. Let's just, let's sort of get through here. Yeah. But okay, so I've been able to choose how I want to engage with them on my own website, on Twitter, whatever else, and my viewers have been able to choose how they want to engage with me and what YouTube and Google are doing is they're taking the choice away from us. I think, can you hear me still? Yeah. Oh yeah. Because I just adjusted one thing. Is that still working? Yeah. You're good. Good. I set up push to talk, I think. Okay. The, it'll be interesting to see if based on backlash, if there is an opt out provision for any sort of individual, any of their channel partners because where that's going to come from and what Google will eventually listen to is not to the great unwashed Google Plus users. They're going to listen to the content providers that they're making money from. So the people like yourself who have a channel who are, who are, you know, providing the content and providing the eyeballs into Google, into, into YouTube that Google so desires. So the push back from you guys and from us and whether or not we ask for an opt out option for our channels or if they're going to come up with a different, a privacy channel. You know, they've incorporated privacy into Chrome. You can browse the web in private. Yeah, that's true. You know, they understand, they understand, you know, they've got the ability to create privacy layers and they obviously understand those issues. So it's going to, you know, as is always the case with Google, I mean, the way that they do things is they put it out there, float it, listen to what's happening and then, and then, and then react to, to what the reaction of the, of the marketplace is. You know, they're very different from the old school companies, the Apples and the Microsoft that tell you the way that you should be doing things. They're very, you know, they're very, they're very reactive. They'll put it out, float it for a little while, see what happens because they, they, you know, they can pull it. They could pull it. It wouldn't shock me if in three months from now it was pulled back and we didn't see it again for another three months after that and it came back in another form. I would be very surprised if they do that because particularly on YouTube, they have taken quite a, we're going to put it out there and you're going to like it approach and they listen to even content creators my size. So I think in terms of sheer subscriber base, I'm around number 1300 on the YouTubes, which is pretty respectable and yet I have absolutely no voice. I have no contact with anyone at Google or YouTube and I am basically completely ignored. I will either like it or I will leave and I will suffer because of the way, again, I am tied to the hip to Google. So we see this happening even more now though with the closed garden that they have on the mobile side and with the basically closed garden that they have on YouTube now, like they're beginning to just ignore all and tread forward and it's not their previous mentality and I don't know how it's going to turn out for them. So I'll see how that goes. But in the meantime, I'd like to shift gears over to one of my favorite topics, which is Microsoft and chat clients and how they are absolutely destroying Skype. What are they doing? Oh, they scared the heck out of me this last couple of weeks with this ill-conceived concept that we're going to eliminate the ability to be able to record from within Skype. I don't know how often you use that feature, but I record many of my radio interviews. Most of my radio interviews I record from my home studio where I am right now using Skype and call recorder. So all of a sudden having to look at some other option was just ridiculous. You know what it seems? It seems they are bound and determined to make Google Talk and to make Facebook Chat the preferred avenues of chat. They seem to like those platforms a lot. But this is when you get a cross of cultures, when you get an ingrained culture as deeply and as insular as Microsoft. You have to figure Microsoft is an incredibly dysfunctional company from day one in the last 10 years because they've had to go through a corporate catharsis which basically says we've got to kill off our cash cow. We've got to take and we've got to move away from monolithic operating systems and apps to an online world, which means we have to kill the thing that made us great. And that is a really difficult thing to kind of get around. And they didn't do it, they did it by siloing, by setting one division against another. And I'm sure there's going to be some fascinating business books written about the battles that went on and the resignations and the blood baths that happened as a result of that. But you still had managers who were bonused on Windows performance and in office performance who were going into meetings with people from the live division who were bound and determined to kill them. I mean could you imagine the dynamics of those sorts of, and they worked for the same company. So that company then, when you set that against that company acquiring a loosey goosey group like Skype, it's almost like the product was built while they were stoned, right? I mean oh yeah we're going to do this, we're going to do that, we're not going to make it easy for anybody to find anything but it's going to do this and all of a sudden everybody's talking and we all love each other. Let's hug, let's hug. So you've got this integration of Skype now coming into this entity that is Microsoft and it's no surprise that it's, I can't say the word, but it's no surprise that it's clustered. And I think we're seeing the result. We're seeing straight laced managers being inserted, starting to institute command and control and the result is we just see a company, we see what was not necessarily a great product but a great integration starting to circle the drain a little bit. And thank God for the baby boomers coming online and the old people because they love Skype and they haven't quite figured out the Google thing yet so that's what's keeping them going right now. I mean the thing about Skype for us is you asked how often we use the recording feature, not at all. We can't use Skype. In fact I think you did want to call in today with Skype and I'll explain why we can't use it. It's because there's an exploit in Skype that allows anyone who knows your Skype ID or the Skype ID of someone you're talking to and then can therefore find out your Skype ID can actually perform a DDoS attack on your IP address so that we were losing our streams. In the middle of our streams we were getting DDoSed because of a Skype exploit when we were using Skype. So we have a zero Skype policy as a company now. There is no Skype. Skype is to be used anywhere in this building. Your issues with it are of a pure technical nature. The fact that they haven't got their act together as a trusted provider. I mean MSN was a better framework than Skype for our purposes. And we're talking technology that's, you know, what? I was in high school so we're talking technology that's over 10 years old at this point. Wow. Wow. That's interesting. I have to say, you know, just as a complete aside, I was watching the live stream before we came on and I was blown away by the quality of the live stream. You know, for all of the little issues we have in the back end of making this thing work, my gosh, that's a nice clean feed that's coming through on your guys' stuff. That's pretty cool. Thank you. Thank you. We've spent a lot of time improving it over the last quite a while. Alright, now we have one more topic for Steve before he goes and guys stay tuned because you are about to, Steve keep an eye on the chat thing there because this is going to be kind of hilarious. Steve has the least popular opinion on the entire internet about the Xbox One and Microsoft's move backpedaling from making it an entertainment system and going, okay, no, no, no, no, no, we're focused on gaming, we're focused on gaming. So Steve, you wish they had gone forward with this. Give me the baby boomer's perspective compared to the younger gaming audience which is what we typically cater to. Let's hear it and guys, just hear them out, hear them out, okay? Here we go. I think the new Xbox is a phenomenal piece of technology and it's not a gaming box. It does gaming but it's the hub of a home entertainment system. If Microsoft wants to own the living room and own the core of the entertainment hub in the households, they had to take this product and they had to position it first and foremost as your entertainment center. They had to talk about the fact, you know, all of the stuff that might seem to be completely low-hanging fruit as far as a lot of your audience goes but everything from Netflix integration to streaming my music through it to the fact that I can do Skype integration and talk to my family at Christmas time, the wide angle, you know, the connect, the camera, the fact that you could create presence on it, those are stories that baby boomers don't understand they can do off of their high-def TV and off of their living room. And yeah, can you play phenomenal games too? Yes you can but most people over 50 aren't that concerned about playing those games. We're concerned about the community, the programming, the conversational aspects. Xbox is going to sell to gamers. It's a great box that's going to sell to gamers. You guys are going to gobble it up and you're going to dissect it and you're going to talk about the nuances of it. You know, I got eight more, you know, it's 18% faster playing Call of Duty 74 Space Blaster Edition. You've got all of those, you know, you guys are going to discuss those things and you're going to, it's going to sell to that market. That's not the market they have to worry about. If they want to grow, if they want to really become the dominant player in the marketplace, they had to reach out to me. They had to reach out to my marketplace and tell me because I think I should have it in my living room whether or not I ever want to play a game on it. And if I do decide to play a game on it, great, but it does so many other things. The living room is a quagmire of pieces of crap. All that talk to each other or don't talk to each other. You know, streaming, you know, Netflix streaming through, I laugh now because when I was a kid my dad would holler, who flushed the toilet every time he was in the shower because the cold water would, you know, the hot water would scald him all of a sudden. And now it's who's uploading a file because the Netflix stops the delivery. We just don't get it. We need one system that we can have in place that feeds our entertainment complex, our personal entertainment complex. And Xbox should have been that. That's what they should have led with. Now they can hammer me. So here's, yeah, we'll let the hate flow because, and I think the hate might keep flowing because there are a couple things you said that I actually do agree with. Xbox One was going to be a gaming console regardless it was going to run games, all of those things. But I think they had to be a little bit more careful about, and while they had to be a little bit more careful about the branding and they shouldn't have necessarily made their live internet stream that all the gamers were going to be watching and not their parents. Well they shouldn't have made that all about the home entertainment system. They should have done some of their other marketing about the home entertainment aspect. So for example if they were to do a print ad, that should be about the home entertainment system. They should have marketed. Because we read magazines. Because the older people are going to actually read print whereas the younger people won't. And looking at it from my mom's perspective, if she were to buy one entertainment device for the family, she would buy the one that seems to do things that she wants. But why not release like Xbox, like Xbox GT, like Xbox One GT and Xbox One HT. Because that complicates things. The idea is you want to build a platform. But if you're building a platform that works for everything, it's not going to be as good at doing all of those things. But that's life. Which is already notified by how much slower it is. Do you have a cell phone? Does it have a camera on it? Yeah. Well there you go. I mean that's the future. But your argument is completely invalid because it sucks at gaming. We figured that out. They've been using footage from a PS4 to show off PS3. Yes, defiant. Okay, and that's true. But that is because Sony's implementation of the same hardware is better. That's all that happens. And they're diverting so much of the Xbox One to be able to do other things. So while Microsoft may have jumped the gun on this, and while it might not work, I do agree. The thing I agree with that Steve said is that they had to try. Because the thing that we've talked about before is I... Can you actually mute Steve? Because I'm going to talk for a bit here and the hiss is coming. The thing that I agree with is that Microsoft had to try this. And the reason for that is because what you and I already agree about is this is probably the last generation of dedicated console hardware. So what the game is now is who can build the platform that other devices will run on in the future. So build the platform. Well, no, no, yeah, but you have to build... The platform has to be a software ecosystem that people buy into. It has to be Xbox Marketplace. It has to be Skype. It has to be this. It has to be that. You have to get that box in there under the guise of being a gaming machine. You have to get people used to using it, and then you have to integrate it with something else. And all of that could have been fine. But they could have released two versions. They could have released two modes. You could go into home theater mode and it enables all these things. Or if you go into game mode, it disables all these things. They have constant connectivity for everything. But here's the problem is that that won't appeal to my mom. She can't figure out how to change the mode on anything. So have it in home theater mode stock. Or have a giant button on a TV controller that comes with it. The kids will come along and they'll play a game and they'll forget. You are not understanding older people. I understand my mom. I know your mom is an exception. If it comes with a TV clicker, which it doesn't, if it did and there was a giant green Xbox button in the middle that said like mode. My aunt and my mom, neither of them can figure that out. Trust me. Well then they shouldn't buy an Xbox. That's not the point. Microsoft wants them to buy an Xbox. It's too complicated for them to be able to use it already if that's the case. And that may be true. But all I'm saying that I agree with is that they had to try. They had to try. Because Sony has every opportunity to do this. Their implementation of it then failed. Well, aside from that, I'm not saying it didn't fail. I'm saying they had to try. Because Sony has an opportunity because they own actual TV manufacturing to integrate into a TV later. So they tried and they reverted. So is that bad? They tried and they reverted. They tried and failed and reverted. They didn't try and succeed. That is then a failure. So we can agree it's a failure. But I think they had to try. That's all I'm trying to say. I'm okay with them trying. They just really sucked at trying. I'm going to unmute. So yeah, bring back Steve. I'm bleeding here. I'm bleeding here. Old fat guy is wrong. The one guy I want, I'm hoping he friends me on Facebook and comes over, the guy that keeps saying fart. Because I want to be his friend. I think that you muting me basically undermined any credibility that I had. They seemed to think that that was a big thing. And oh, don't swear. Please don't swear, boys. So here's where you guys are making a big mistake though as well, since I've already got the hate on from your constituency. Or sorry, your peeps there. I talked. Is that young speak enough? Thank you, Steve. Sorry, the only reason I muted you was because the hiss kept getting louder and louder and louder. Believe me, it doesn't bother me at all. I didn't mean to turn you off there. Okay. It doesn't bother me at all. Oh good, the fart guy is back. Now listen. The thing that you guys are missing here, which is crucial, and everybody that's saying that I'm this dinosaur that doesn't get it. I'm not talking about mom who can't control the PV, doesn't know how to turn on her PVR and turn off her PVR, or the person who's technically intimidated by the technology. That's not who Xbox should have been marketed to. It should have been marketed to the moderately competent, technical baby boomers like myself who want to integrate the full system. I'm happy to have a system at the heart. I do have to do some configuration on that ties into the internet, that ties into the online services, that ties into video, ties into gaming, ties into social networking. I'm looking for that box. That box happens to be a kick-ass gaming system too, which is fantastic. But Microsoft, if they'd given me that message, if they'd delivered that message to that group, they could have grown their market faster. I'm not saying that it's not going to be a great gaming system and all that sort of thing. I think it's a strategy of launching it as a gaming system first and that being the first thing out of their mouth because the gamers knew it was going to be great. They were waiting for it. They were going to buy it regardless. They had an opportunity to generate a whole new market out of me, out of my people and growing and becoming the de facto standard in the living room to my community. That was my argument. All right. Well, guys, I think we're going to probably sort of move on to our next topic. I just realized it's 5.45 already. Steve, we've kept you for a full extra 15 minutes. Thank you again for joining us on the show. Any of those I was on mute though. Let's face it. Sorry, man. Sorry, man. It was a pleasure. Want to just do sort of let them know where they can find you in the meantime and more importantly maybe where their parents can find you and get some tips on technology? I'm not sure we should be giving out any of my information anymore now looking at the feed here. But yeah, DottoTech.com is dropped by and I'm at DottoTech on Twitter so I'm sure that my – I'm sure my quote score is going to go up with all of the mentions. They don't look for whether they're positive comments or not. It's been a pleasure, guys. One last kind of personal thing is when I met you first line, I kind of looked at you and I said that was me 20 years ago, what you're doing now. I think I kind of broke ground in network television and getting technology on network television 20 years ago and I was very proud of the fact that I had a team that I relied on and we just basically read what was happening in the marketplace. We worked within it and moved the ball downfield. Well, you picked up that ball and you've carried it way downfield and I congratulate you. I think you're doing a great job and thanks for having me on. It's been an honor. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me on. Thanks, Steve. All right. Now I'm going to address one thing sort of here now that our guest segment is over and that is how Microsoft could have pulled this off because there was no need for them to backpedal on the entertainment system messaging if they had delivered a couple of things. Number one is if they hadn't pissed off the gamers, if they hadn't said, look, yeah, you're going to need online account this, you're going to need this, you're going to need that because I don't even disagree that online downloading of games and online registration of games is a bad thing, but you should have been able to sell them to other people and re-gift them through the online system rather than necessarily relying on a disk to gift things and all of that noise. So they could have succeeded if they didn't piss off the gamers and they still could have delivered all of this messaging about TV and PVR and Skype and all that stuff. Number two is the Xbox One had to be slightly better hardware wise than the PS4. It is not like the technology from AMD didn't exist. But the entire development life cycle of the Xbox One, Microsoft could have gone, oh, AMD, okay, that's what you're showing us. No, we want double that. They could have delivered a better piece of hardware if they'd been willing to do what the console guys have always done in the past and take a bit of a hit up front because both Sony and Microsoft have said, look, we're profitable from day one on PS4 and Xbox One. If they'd been willing to take a hit again in order to push their agenda of owning a living room, they could have delivered all the messaging because the Xbox One pre-orders are getting canceled because the performance isn't as good. If Microsoft's messaging was all about how great it is as an entertainment system and your mom's going to love it too and they were also delivering kick-ass gaming performance compared to everything. Like just as fast or faster. Just as fast or faster and the exclusive title and all the things that gamers don't need Microsoft to tell them because they are, like Steve said, they already know about it anyway. They're already on the internet finding out everything there is to know about Xbox One. If that stuff had been good, this would have been a huge success. If additional features are not bad, if they don't conflict with other features. So if they brought in all this home theater stuff and experience stuff and it didn't affect the gaming side at all, it would have been fine. I would have no problems with it. There is still a huge unknown here and that is how Microsoft's cloud compute is going to help the gaming experience. And latency in this and that, I know, but the debate we're about to have is about an unknown. All I said is it's an unknown. Yep. That's it. You're not wrong at all. There's already been developers saying that they don't necessarily want to touch it because they're scared of a massive amount of their audience not being able to utilize it. And there's that. And then there's also that whole conversation about how it took eight years to figure out how to leverage cell. Maybe it takes eight years before the infrastructure, blah, blah, blah, blah, leveraging this and maybe four years in Xbox One absolutely smokes PS4 because of that infrastructure. We don't know. It's an unknown. But Microsoft had an opportunity to just put a better piece of hardware in your living room and I think things could have gone very differently. Yep. If they put enough beef behind it to actually support the system that they wanted to release, it would have been fine. No one could really complain when saying, oh, well, the Xbox One is considerably faster. So it can support all these different systems and it's still better at gaming. Then they could also justify their higher price tag. All right. Let's talk about things that are legitimately better at gaming. Moving on to actually note first, let's talk about our sponsor, Squarespace. So guys, you can visit squarespace.com slash. I almost forgot. I'm trying to do the sponsor after the guest segment. 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Squarespace.com slash Linus actually. They prefer if I don't say slash Linus, I think, but whatever Squarespace.com offer code Linus 11. We use it. We like it. We recommend it. Does slash Linus work? Yeah, I think it works, but I don't know. 100%. I think they prefer if you don't use it or something. I can't remember. Anyway, see they're going to watch this now. They're going to be like, what are you doing? Why is he even talking about this? You keep saying all the wrong things. Why do you keep saying all the wrong things, Linus? You're less professional than everyone else we deal with. So we should get the Twitter moving on these next two topics immediately. Yeah. All right. How about this for our question? Which of these two are most important graphics card draw and short of the two? Yeah, because they're both, in my opinion, the most important for the two teams. Because they're both a big deal. But we want to hear on Twitter, guys, at Linus Tech on Twitter, which was more important as a graphics card launch, Radeon R9 290 or GTX 780 Ti? So for those of you who aren't super familiar, R9 290 is a 399 card, so it's kind of value enthusiast grade, okay? That performs almost as well as anything else out there, with the exception of the after R9 290 launched, Nvidia retort with the GTX 780 Ti, which outperforms everything else, particularly after overclocking, but is a $700 card-ish. So it's very, very expensive, but it's now the king. It's the reigning champion for a single GPU card. So we want to hear what is more important while we take a little bit of time to discuss them. So Radeon R9 290. It blew me away. I'm probably more excited for the future of this card than many cards that I've ever seen before because it gets crazy hot and it could use more power. So once we get aftermarket designs that cool it the heck down, because as with this card, literally, you get one degree cooler, it will go faster. Every degree is actually worth FPS. Because you'll probably get a better cooler that brings it colder, but then you'll be able to clock it higher to max it out again, and it'll just go even faster because this card is just endlessly crazy. You know what we should do? We're waiting for a water block for the R9 290 series from CoolAnts. As soon as they have something available, that's going to be in the mail. We're ready to rock with that. But you know what we should do? It's getting cold here. We should take this outside. I thought you were going to say revitalize the chiller. We should find... Oh, we could. Oh no, because we don't have a block yet. But if we were to take this baby outside and find out what she can do... I should go try and overclock outside at 3am or something. Yeah, that could be fascinating. So anyway, that's where we're at on 290. It's interesting, but the power consumption is very high. The stock cooler is inadequate. If you guys want to hear a recommendation from me, I don't usually come out and say buy this card or don't buy this card. Here's my recommendation. Don't buy this card now. Not now. Not yet. Soon. Soon, perhaps. The power consumption is high, but the cooler can't handle all this power and all this excess that's being generated as heat. Whereas if we get better coolers, even like an ASUS DirectCU2 triple-slot cooler or something like that, that's what I'm excited for. That'd be epic. Is what can this card really do with better power delivery? Because AMD, unlike Nvidia with Project Greenlight, where they say, okay, no, you can have this much power limit and this much voltage and anything else is you deal with the warranty and the returns yourself. AMD has, according to what they told me, given the partners, the Greenlight. If you want to build a card that can provide 600 watts of power to the GPU, go for it. That's what they told me at the GPU14 conference. So if someone builds a 290 or a 290X that actually is balls to the walls in terms of the PCB design, we could be looking at a whole new class of card right there. So there you go, guys. That is my take on our R9 290 Project Mantle. I'm kind of tired of discussing it. It's a big talking point. However, we do know a couple more things. We know Thief is going to support it. We know Star Citizen is going to support it. We know that the upcoming game engine, bloody hell, what's it called? Did you just put in game engine? Yeah, I can't even remember what I said about it. Anyway, there's an upcoming game engine someone's working on that's going to support it. And that's all a big deal, maybe. Who knows? Maybe. No idea. Much like Microsoft's cloud Xbox One augmentation, maybe. Whatever. Who knows? Crystal Ball. Pass it in for you. So one is going to meme gif that. Oh, for sure. And I'm probably going to put a little crystal ball in. Thank you. I would appreciate that very much, actually. I love that meme thread. If you can mask out when I'm behind the crystal ball or distort it somehow, I'll be very impressed. Okay, so moving on to 780 Ti. From my perspective, is it revolutionary? No. It's GK110. It should have been GTX 680 Ti boost or something like that. That's what this card should have been if everything went according to if the universe was entirely perfect and it should have been $700 a year ago or whenever that card launched, 680. But I'm still stoked for it. It's awesome. It's super powerful. Super powerful. Like you were talking minimum frames per second that were competitive with the maximums you were getting on. The numbers I wish I could have shown were when it wasn't crashing on only Tomb Raider. Yeah. Yeah, we had it clocked at 1275. And I wasn't locked in. I might have been able to squeeze a little bit more. Stable in everything but Tomb Raider. I was crushing some games. I had certain games where minimum frame rates on the Ti were higher than maximum frame rates for other cards. Like 770s and stuff like that. We're talking just... Like nice cards. Destroying games. I was so unfortunate that I had to clock it down just because it was crashing in Tomb Raider. But that's a thing, so that's fine. Yeah, we have to...okay, something about our overclocked settings is we make sure they're stable. They have to be stable in our entire test suite. This is actually part of the problem. In a recent video we brought up that we're going to be starting to use Hardware Bot. But there's a few problems with this which might not make it possible, but we're going to try anyways. One, they're only validating with like 3DMark and stuff. Yeah, which isn't that demanding. No. So, and then it's everyone's as fast as they can possibly get it clocked and the only people that are using it are going to be people that are really insane. So we might get some random binned card that might be a little bit lower and might be able to pull that in 3DMark but can't pull that in other applications. So we're still not sure how we're going to do what overclocked settings we run at. But if nothing else, we run at what our cards are stable at in our entire test suite. So moving on to...okay, yeah, 780Ti. I mean, it's so expensive. At least it's cheaper than Titan. I'll give it that. It's cheaper than Titan. It's how much a 780 used to be. Yeah. And a lot of people bought 780s. Yeah. And then they started to look at the bracket where it's not too much, like a Titan was too much. Like it was too much. It was above $1,000. Lots of people bought them. But not that many. And then 780 came along and made way more sense. And now 780Ti moves Titan to what it was really supposed to be. Titan was never a gaming card. Nvidia launched it kind of like a gaming card. Like you look at the press that was seated a Titan compared to the press that was even seated something like 780Ti, a $700 card. It's not about the extra $300 in the MSRP. It's about the fact that Titan was not a gaming card. It was a programming card. It was a CUDA card. It was a compute card. And then it happened to be fantastic for gaming because it got GeForce grade drivers as opposed to Quadro or Tesla drivers. That's all that happened there. So Titan, from a gaming perspective, put it out of your mind unless, one scenario, 4K gaming in future titles, I believe Titan may pull ahead of 780Ti. But we might also see higher RAM specs. And that's only right now. Well, Titan has 6 gigs of RAM and 780Ti only comes with 3. And then the other scenario was also related to memory. And that was if you're going to run 4K surround or something like that and you're going to run multiple cards, you need all the GPU horsepower and you need all the memory and Titan will be the only way to achieve that. That is the only scenario where Titan makes any sense for a gamer. But again, we don't know. There might be different models that have higher RAM for 780Ti and then that would remove both those situations. But we have no word of it so far. So if it doesn't happen then again, yeah. All the fingers crossed. Yeah. Like toes crossed. I actually didn't have all my fingers crossed. I lied. I lied. That's difficult. I can put it there but I can't like just do that. Yeah, can we cross all of our fingers? This is what we take up our audience time with. Look, I'm an owl! Woo, woo, woo, woo! You're like shadow fingers? Yeah. Alright, let's go to the Twitter boards. Let's go to the Twitter boards. Let's hear what you guys have to say. Alright, alright. So we're gonna go through these pretty quick here guys. Lidwig says, right now for me, the R9 and the R9 290X are more important because planning to run three monitors. Fantastic point Lidwig because AMD's triple monitor support is still more seamless than Nvidia's support. R9 290X is the card. Not everyone has the budget to run a 7... No, R9 290X is not the card to me. For longevity even, I think you're wrong because R9 290 has most of the GPU oomph that 290X does and has all the RAM and all the memory bandwidth. I'm more interested in 290 than 290X. Given the price difference between them, 290 is a killer. So someone says R9 290 because price to performance ratio. Someone says yes, I think you should redo the benchmarks outside at night. That would be very interesting. I hate to do this to you. I'd be down. Maybe just R9 290 versus I think it would be 780 would be the important thing. We could do... Like head to head. We could do... You want to do four cards? Three or four cards, yeah. GK 110 and then Hawaii... Should we try to pick a cold night or should I go up to a mountain and make it epic? We'll talk about it offline. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So Ashley says R9 290 is more important. It's $250 cheaper than the 780 was two weeks ago. Ashley has a good point because if you want to talk about importance, you can talk about it in the perspective of, well, what changed the market? What made Nvidia release 780 TI? What made Nvidia drop the price of their flagship card, which they were perfectly content to sit back and charge $700 to $1,000 for GK 110? They were going to do that all day. And great point, Ashley, if we want to talk importance. And you know, I'm probably agreeing because importance too... I'm looking at the price points, there's a bigger market for an R9 290 than there is for 780 TI. Yeah. So how much it will affect things if you're looking at it that way, probably a 290. Okay. HTTex says 290X. I think some people are a little bit confused because the naming is so similar between these cards. We're talking about R9 290, not R9 290X. Just to be clear, I hate AMD's new naming scheme. I think it's rubbish. If anyone from AMD is watching, even though you're a sponsor now, I think a lot of the things you do are great. I don't think this naming scheme is great. They tried to make it more simple, but then you're flippy flopping with Xs and that's just even more confusing. And R9, I mean, there's only like two R7 cards. And does R5 even exist? Like, what was even the point of having the initial thing if you're just going to not even segment it? Do you remember the first graph I made? Yeah, you accidentally, I think, called 260X and R7 or something, or 270X and R7. I think I called 280X and R8, which isn't even a thing. Just like, this makes sense, I'm typing it. 780TI will be more important because it can put one of their cards on top, similar to how ISPs advertise up too. That is a very good point. The halo effect is a thing. And I'm not talking about Microsoft releasing one halo game that was great, another one that was really good, and then the rest that really weren't that exceptional until the most recent. That's not the halo effect I'm talking about. I'm talking about when you have a flagship product that's better than your competitors, your direct competitor's flagship product, you might have two products way down in the stack. I mean, there was a period of time when Radeon 7770 was deep into double digits, better than GTX 650TI before they released the boost. And for some reason, people were still buying 650TIs. I couldn't quite figure it out because it was not a competitive card at all at that price point. It puts that green bar at the top of the chart. It puts that green bar at the top of the chart. The halo effect, people buying things because of how the top tier products perform, even though they can't afford them, is definitely a thing. Great point from CPMetis. I am more excited about R9 290. Better performance than my 7950. That is a great point too because it comes in at a price point that 7950 upgraders who bought back when that card was released and delivers a performance upgrade that is significant. 7850. 7850? Oh, okay. I have no idea what you're talking about then. Either of, well, okay. A lot of things perform better than your 7850. I say 290 is more budget friendly. They're quite last gen tech. 290 impressed me more with the potential of raw performance of overclocked GCN. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Many grocery stores have freezers that get down to around minus 29. Yeah. We'd have a hard time convincing a grocery store to let us put a heat source in the freezer that keeps their food fresh. Just saying. Other cooling solutions I've shown the card is actually coolable. The 290 is more important since it has a reasonable price. Okay. I think we've seen pretty much, we saw a couple really interesting points about 780Ti, but it's pretty much unanimous that 290 is incredibly important in terms of what it did to the market and what it did for price to performance for this generation at least until Nvidia brings us Maxwell sometime next year. I love both cards and honestly you heard my random comments while I was overclocking 780Ti. Every single time I try a new game I'm like, I hear from the other room. So that was amazing, but it's just so expensive. I don't know. Now this is a very, very brief discussion. We talked about this a little bit earlier. So AMD Mantle API, so adopted by various developers. We already said who they were, Eidos Montreal, Cloud Imperium Games, so that's Thief and Star Citizen, which makes a lot of sense since those guys were there. And GPU14 was like, who could have predicted this? This was posted by Tom Picks on the forum. Who could have predicted they would have supported Mantle? Anyway, the thing that I don't like about Mantle and PhysX and G-Sync is that we seem to be heading in a direction and Nvidia can criticize AMD all they want about the way that adding another API fragments the market, and they're right, it does. DirectX and OpenGL and mobile and console, that was enough already. We actually don't need more unless like, please AMD, if you don't deliver compelling performance improvements with Mantle, oh boy, you guys have hyped this up an awful lot for that to not happen. So I am rooting for you here. It better be awesome. If not, you'll get slaughtered. You guys are going to get torn apart. But the thing I don't like about it is that I don't see Nvidia's approach with some things that differently. The way that I see PhysX is it's just a custom change to an API that already exists that enhances the gameplay experience for some customers who all paid $60 for that game and not others. That's the thing I don't like here is Star Citizen is a game that I want to experience in the best way possible. If I can't have G-Sync and PhysX, we already know the game's going to support PhysX and Mantle and iFINITY and all these technologies. I'm going to be disappointed. I paid $250 to play that game. Yeah, True Audio is another example. I want to experience it the way the game developer can deliver it to me if they have all the technology available. At least give me the option to run two cards. And if I have to just run True Audio on my AMD card, then fine. But I want to have an option. As a consumer, that is the thing that I feel like is happening here. And I don't really like it. So that was all I wanted to say about that. We even had a conversation earlier, which is this is bounding off something that you just said. I even putting two cards in. Yeah, like it's impossible. You can't we even like, like blocks at every turn, every hack they've seen for running a secondary dedicated Nvidia card for PhysX. Yeah, like like we couldn't do that setup. You couldn't have like mirrored inputs. So you're actually playing two computers at the same time even like that doesn't even bring it close enough, which is kind of ridiculous. Alright, so moving on to things that we're unhappy with, or it seems that the entire internet is unhappy with. Metacritic, the scores for Call of Duty Ghosts. So get this from official reviewers, we have a score of 74. Alright, so that's out of 100. The user score, and this is on the which one? This is the Xbox 360 version. Yeah. Xbox 360 2.1 based generally unfavorable ratings based on 931 ratings. So going back to our dock here, we actually we looked them all up. So Xbox 360 has a user score of 2.1. PC has a user score of 1.7. PC gamers expect better apparently. Well there's also some specific bugs on PC. PS3 has a score of 1.8 and PS4 actually has a significant number of negative user reviews, but based on the fact that that's not out yet, I'm going to go ahead and call BS on those ones. Now, this might be a case of gamers blowing things out of proportion. We know that they do that. Gamers? Out of 10, it's not a 1.3. I seriously doubt it's a 1.3. It's still a triple A title. Like 1.3, we're talking like farm simulator that doesn't have any tractors in it. Yeah. So let's talk about what if you ever got a score on a test that was 13% or 20%, how little did you know about the subject matter? That's taking a multiple choice test, but just not actually filling in all the answers because multiple choice tests filling in all the answers would be better. It would be 25. You could still yield 20 to 25%. Yeah. Okay. So there's that thing. All right. At the same time, from what I've heard, I haven't played it. It's basically the exact same damn game. I watched Total Biscuits review. Yeah, me too. He was just like, yeah, it's the same thing. And everything that he brought up was very true and it should have gotten slaughtered. Maybe a little bit too much, but like it did deserve it to a certain degree. And you know what? This is how the gaming community talks to people. Yeah. So they're talking. So they're talking. And they've obviously haven't completely abandoned Call of Duty if they're willing to talk this much. They're probably saying, hey guys, fix your crap and then we'll maybe buy your game later. So yeah, there's that. I think we should still benchmark it because, oh yeah, and okay, the hate train doesn't stop there. The hate train only just left the station. Oh, okay, hold on. Apparently we had this in there twice. We had, oh yeah, we had the Metacritic thing and then we had blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, the whole thing about 1 billion sales, like right at the very beginning. That was sales to retailers, not to actual end users. So that was kind of awesome. So we actually don't quite know how many copies of Cod Ghosts are actually out there. The next thing that there's a whole lot of hate for is the 6 gig requirement on the PC version. So Quirty Warrior posted this on the forum and I thought this was pretty interesting. So hackers have bypassed it. But basically what the developer did was they put a hard limit, an artificial hard limit into the game that doesn't let you even launch it if you do not have 6 gigs of RAM in your system. And this is a problem for a number of reasons. Number one is many gaming machines have 4 gigs of RAM. Number two is that the game only uses between 1.2 to 2 gigs of memory when it's in use. And I'm pretty sure most people don't use more than 2 gigs of RAM at the desktop if they have 4 gigs. And number three is the fact that even people who have 6 gigs of memory in their system might have some of it taken up by an onboard graphics card that's running in something like Nvidia Optimus mode. So some of it is dedicated to the frame buffer of their onboard graphics and the game won't run even though they have 6 gigs of memory. A hard limit is a stupid thing to have as a minimum requirement. Let me install the game and let me find out if it's okay and I'll upgrade my graphics if it's not working well enough for me. Thank you very much. So one of the things I'm going to do when we benchmark it is I'm going to benchmark it with their thing enabled, whatever the crap, and then I'm going to install the hackers tool to remove it and we're going to test it with 4 gigs compared to 6 gigs in those configurations so we can laugh at them because there's no difference. So the cracked version already runs and installs just fine with 4 gigs of RAM and the real version, this is the article is on Next Power Up by the way, and the real version does not. So once again, breaking games and pirating them, which is something that I don't support and something that we'd all love to find a way to get away from and the industry needs to figure out a way to stop, they need to deliver games that work and then, I mean, stuff like this, we actually have people who legit can't play a legit copy of the game. You got to stop doing that because that's not helping. And that's just making piracy that much better. I hate saying that but it's true. This is why it's existing this strongly is because when people have to run away from legitimately buying it and legitimately playing it because that solution is crap and they have to run to these pirates that are actually saving them, that's a problem. Yes, you're making those guys good guys and you're making yourselves bad guys. That is terrible, absolutely terrible. But they're good guys at this point. It's not their fault. I don't know. Alright so we have, hold on, I just want to pull up the document here just so that I can bring up this video because this has already made the rounds and I know we're not the first people to talk about it but I thought it was pretty hilarious and that was the copy pasted cut scene in the new Call of Duty game. So let's just go ahead and fire this baby up. The YouTube. Okay well whatever, I was trying to move the ad there at the end but like seriously guys? I don't like it either but my devil's advocate claim to it is one of their things for a long time. Seriously guys? I don't know, I'm trying. One of their things for a really long time was War Never Changes so I don't know maybe they're trying to pull on that but they could have done it a lot better and like if they did, if that was their whole point they could have done like a fade to black and then had the text War Never Changes on it and then everyone would have understood it and it would have been okay. Did you just say understand it? Yes I did. I just wanted to make sure your moment wasn't as bad as the one that we just showed. I've been like trying to pull myself through that because I don't actually agree with it all so I just screwed up one of the words. Speaking of things we rarely agree with, EA. I know where you're going. So EA never content to let someone else have all the bad press. This was posted on the forum by Only Smokin'. Battlefield 4 is facing a number of issues on all platforms at the moment etc etc etc. There's some emails and some messages and stuff going on here with some names blacked out but pretty much the gist of it is... DICE was still trying to develop the game, they're still trying to add things to the game, they're still trying to actually do QA on some things and EA was like nope we're releasing Before Cod. Yeah so we've had some positive things to say about EA. We've had some weeks where we've said nothing about EA but this is a problem EA. I mean if the game's not done, the game's not done. Okay? If someone uses a silence weapon it shouldn't mute the entire server. And if you had let, if you'd let Ghosts release with a dog ahead of your game you wouldn't have even had to worry about it anymore. Because everyone would have had Battlefield 4 on their Christmas list so fast. I mean I guess you have no way of predicting that Cod Ghost was going to be terrible but ugh come on guys. And I mean there's some other things that are kind of bothering me here too. The Battlefield 4 DLC is coming hard and heavy. So they've already, they're already talking about two DLCs. So China Rising and then what was the bloody other one called? Basically the second one is just like a bunch of Battlefield 3 maps that people liked. So Battlefield 3 maps that people liked. Come on guys you didn't even redesign the maps, you're skinning them. That should have been in the game if you already knew people like them. I mean based on the fact that they're already done so quickly means they were pretty much already done. Basically to me what they're doing, and I talked to Edzel actually because he bought the premium membership. And he basically went well yeah with all of the expansion packs and the way that people move on to the new version when an expansion pack rolls out, I just got premium because that's the only way to really keep up. It's a simpler solution and you get pre-release. But I have a problem with this. I have a problem with the deceptive way that it's being marketed. Sorry second assault. That's what it's called. Second assault thank you. So I have a problem with the deceptive way it's being marketed. Battlefield 4 is being marketed as a $59.99 title. You can pay $69.99 and you can get what is it some random launch day DLC. But you don't actually get, I think you get China Rising as well with digital deluxe. So you can pay a little bit more and you can get the first expansion pack and then a little bit of other DLC. Or you can get the premium one which will actually ensure that your copy of Battlefield 4 is the copy of Battlefield 4 throughout the game's release cycle. What they have effectively done is they have figured out a way to market you that their game is $60 but actually have you willingly give them $110. Now I've seen a lot of comments on this where people were saying oh why do we all hate DLC now when we like the community, the gaming community as a whole loves expansions or loved expansions. It's not the same thing. When Warcraft 3 got an expansion. 2. 2. This was my, I'm the one who wrote this. Oh wait are you talking about Warcraft 3? Yeah. Oh because my notes are on Warcraft 2 actually. Oh I just. That's funny we both have the same thought. Woo! Yeah! Woo! Alright I'll let you go first. Screw it. Warcraft 2, Warcraft 3, End of the Starcraft. Cause I have the numbers for these. I have the numbers. I don't have the numbers. Alright I got numbers man. Alright. But like when a game like this gets an expansion it's happy, everyone enjoys it because it's a while down the line it adds a ton to the game and it's just adding life to the game. Okay. So Tides of Darkness got an expansion 4 months after release. Tides of Darkness wasn't a predominantly multiplayer game so they weren't fundamentally breaking the experience that was Tides of Darkness. You were getting a new single player campaign and you were getting like a couple heroes and like maybe more custom map options. Like that's all you were really getting when you bought Beyond the Dark Portal. Okay. You also got a fantastic disco song that I liked earlier this week on YouTube. You guys should go check it out. It was on the CD. Alright. When Starcraft which was a predominantly multiplayer game got an expansion it took 8 months. So there was actually some time to enjoy the vanilla experience and have an experience before Blizzard, the evilest of all companies, actually asked you to fork over more money along with all of your bros so you could all play the game and have the new updated balance system and all of those updated things. My issue with Battlefield 4 is we're talking like a month and change. Out of the gate. Out of the gate. There's like so many planned already. They have made their $60 game a $70 game if you want to be playing for more than like a couple months with all of the content and then they've turned it into a $110 game if you want to own what would typically be a one expansion pack or two expansion pack release cycle in the past if you want to own the five expansion packs that they already have listed. I mean to me that's a problem. The fact that all the expansion packs are here. Like now. Yeah. It's like here's all the plan for all the stuff that we want you to all buy. So maybe this is all just uneducated hate from me and Battlefield 4 fans are ripping me apart. Someone brought up Battlefield 3 release premium a while after. Okay someone brought up that Second Assault is getting redesigned maps. Okay so fine. I still maintain that they were probably done if they're being released now. They're saying four really? I read four maps over in Battlefield 3 but either way I haven't looked too far into it because I just was like oh I hate DLC moving on. So that's probably part of it and like one of my favorite companies has been actually kind of known to be one of the worst for this although they've kind of fixed it was Bethesda when they released Horse Armor. That was hilarious and stupid and that should not have been. But at least it didn't alter the gameplay in any way and it wasn't going to make it in any way at all. But the game worked if you bought the game you had the whole game and all of the mods and all of the blah blah blah all of that stuff forever. And you didn't pay $110 for it. So I'm going to give Bethesda a pass because I have no problem with Horse Armor that doesn't do anything as long as people understand it doesn't do anything. Forum badges online as Tech Tips forum don't do anything. But we were upfront about that. We said look this is the way you can support us. I'm okay with that. I mean I hopefully am because we did it. I was like that's probably good. Let's hope I'm okay with that. Speaking of which we are going to have another fundraiser campaign. First Blood was amazingly successful and we are so thankful to everyone who contributed to it. We have a plan. We are looking at a pretty significant website upgrade for LinusTechTips.com and a pretty significant equipment upgrade for some oh yeah Diesel sent it out. Yeah I know whatever. We just have to make sure it's as good or better now. No pressure. I don't know what's possible. So anyway so we're planning an upgraded website. Don't worry it's still going to be a forum first and foremost and a lot of the front page content will be tied into the forum. That will be his job and he will do a great job of it and it will be timely. Anyway moving moving on we are also planning an equipment upgrade that is going to allow us to bring you guys a daily show. The issue is that with all the technical difficulties that we only own one proper camera right now. So we need and one microphone and one and one stand. One mic stand and like a couple lights like we actually have one set of everything and in order to have a daily show and have no technical difficulties so that we can basically prep it and sit down and shoot it and bring it to you guys on the Tech Quickie channel we are going to need another set of gear that basically lives on the new set. So we are going to be doing a campaign to help us fund those upgrades. So that's going to be coming soon and speaking of campaigns and stop stop. Oh yeah. Okay. Hold on. No I don't want to play it on there anyway. Speaking of campaigns back to Battlefield 4 it has a campaign I heard it ain't that great but this is nothing to do with the campaign I was just looking for a segue and it did not happen. So where'd it go? Where's my segue? Where's my segue? Here we go. This in my mind is the worst thing that DICE EA and whoever was involved in this terrible decision could have possibly possibly done. Really? Really? You had an opportunity and I mean I'm not the biggest feminism activist in the world by any stretch of the imagination I don't think I talk about this a whole lot on the show but you guys had an opportunity to be progressive here. The game had a female character in it that was really good. This was an innovation it was a way to set yourselves apart from the depiction of females and the way that other companies are doing it the depiction of females in the military you had an opportunity to be above this. She was like one of the better characters. And you partnered with Axe to create an ad that's like if you wear Axe chicks will get out of tanks they will meet you in the middle of a bridge with destructible buildings falling down behind you and they will be into you. Are you kidding me? Like what? And I'm wondering who spent the time to painstakingly script in Hannah the girl that's in the single player campaign and like make all of her writing good and make it so that all the guy gamers would accept her and she could still be a good female proponent without being a sex symbol and all this kind of stuff. I wonder how upset they were when they were not consoled at all and they just probably randomly saw this ad through a news site and had no idea it happened. Like unbelievable. Well they must have known it was coming. I'm sure they were upset about it but like all the brownie points that you scored by being progressive, gone, done, done, done, done, done, done, done, done, done, you're so done. Alright speaking of things that are done, Google speaks out or a couple of Google employees to be clear so blah blah blah the opinions represented blah blah blah blah are not a blah blah blah. Okay so all those disclaimers. So there's a couple of Google employees who are speaking up, this is an article on the verge by the way, against the NSA so Brandon Downey and Mike Hearn have posted the old F you to Google because of something that Google's been, to Google pardon me, to the NSA because of something the NSA has been doing which is on Google's private fiber links okay the NSA so where they actually transmit data between their data centers mostly for backup okay in an unencrypted form the NSA has been pulling data. Really NSA? So Google has between these two guys they've been talking about some of the things that they've been how outraged they are that the NSA is just taking data from Google that they have not asked for so for one thing and they've talked about how they're putting solutions in place as a big F you to encrypt that data even when it's moving in between Google's own servers on their own secure networks because just the outrage and I think there's not really much more for us to say beyond that and that this NSA thing is getting a little bit out of hand here. It's getting a little bit nuts and one of the things that I brought up is like when we when we all sign our souls away signing up for a Gmail account or whatever. Yeah because Google sells all your personal information too don't be like be real clear about that. Well they usually sell it like anonymously. They'll sell all your data but without a name or something like that and when the NSA takes it it's not anonymous it's very attached and very utilized and it's yeah. So this was information that all came out it was the scandal comes from a little internal NSA diagram of like here's how the sneaky way we're gonna steal the data that was part of the little smiley face. Oh man so not only are they stealing the data they're being you know snarky and like yeah yeah you know sneaky about it internally no one's happy with you then to say. All right on to more good news this looks amazing. This is freaking awesome. So this was posted by Orphus on the forum. It's a fudzilla.com article and they're claiming that the negra the negra the Nvidia Tegra Note 7 is coming out November 12th so that would be in four days which I will have one heck of a conversation to have with Nvidia if we're not seated one of these just like we weren't with shield on time. Yeah seriously because they said they were going to deal with that. We're not going to get one on time. I it's kind of starting if that is a holiday if that date mind you they might announce it that day and then because shield was announced and stuff before review samples were shipped out and before it was released and all that but anyway anyway anyway. So spec wise we're looking at a seven seven inch 1280 by 800 IPS screen which I'm okay with it's like yes I like that. Yeah for IPS IPS is good particularly from a gaming perspective at that size. I don't notice it that much it's only really text where 1080p would make a difference to me at that size 1.8 gigahertz Tegra for processor boom only one gig of RAM so they aren't the best specs ever. It has 2.4 gigahertz 802.11 and 16 gigs of storage micro SD slot 4100 milliamp hour battery and based on what great battery life shield gets with the Tegra for in similar specs it's going to have a pretty beastly battery life micro HDMI out 5 megapixel rear camera and it supports game stream which makes that micro HDMI out super important and not a small thing to roll over not a big not a small deal so supports game stream according to the rumors which we haven't heard anything about it supports game stream and is one ninety nine ninety nine. So guys game stream I've been talking I mean it's happened sooner than I thought but to me consoles are already a thing of the past because if for one ninety nine I can have something that's a tablet and it's my console and I can use my already beefy beefy beefy beefy for buff for beefy I don't know what I was trying to say there and I can use my powerful PC to drive games at 720p or 1080p with a wired internet connection or ethernet connection I can't say anything right today so if I can drive 1080p games on my TV that will actually be a better experience than what PS4 or Xbox one can deliver out of the gate assuming you already also own a PC and many gamers are gamers they're not PC gamers or Xbox gamers or PlayStation 4 they're gamers they own consoles they own gaming PCs they want to appreciate everything that's available on all the platforms and obviously this won't give you access to the exclusive content that's available for consoles but it's a way to at least have the couch gaming experience with things like racing games and use the power of your PC to do it. And one of the things with Shield is if I wanted to play an Android game the tablet style surface is probably fine because they're all designed for it and if I wanted to play a PC game if I was going to play with a controller the mobile thing isn't super attractive to me like it's pretty cool but you probably just want to play on the couch anyways and with this it supports attaching wireless controllers to it or wired if you wanted to so I could just hook it up to the TV so I find this to be a much more attractive device than Shield. And Nvidia is even doing certifications of controllers they're calling them sufficiently low latency and they're certifying them and they're putting them on Nvidia.com. Awesome. So you will even be able to pick up a controller that you know will deliver a great gaming experience with your tablet or your Shield. I didn't know about that. So this is an article on PCPer so the Verge is the original source but Valve Steam Machine and Steam Controller the reference designs are shown off and I thought this was fake because I was like it looks like it was made by like a Portal fan or something. Which it might have been. Which it might have been. Valve apparently is not actually going to sell the reference Steam Machine. Yeah I had no idea I thought they were. So they're going to seed them out but that's it. They're not actually going to sell them. However they're releasing the CAD files so anyone could make one. And I hope someone does. If you have the ability. I'd love to see someone like EVGA release a reference because they're so good at just taking a great reference design and gussying it up and marketing it well and making it competitive and having it available everywhere. I'd love to see EVGA do it. There. If anyone from EVGA is watching I want to see a reference Steam Machine powered by your graphics cards. That's awesome. I also want to see people just make their own. If the CAD files are freely available. Yeah 3D printing. Dun dun dun. That's what I was actually most excited for. Of course a board partner making it would be great. You heard about that first metal 3D printed gun right? Well you have to have a $500,000 plus machine to be able to make it. Okay. And you have to have all this stuff behind it too. Sure but it's the beginning of. Oh of course. And there will be cheaper ones. The trickle down effect in terms of price. And the process for it will get better. $500,000 to a criminal organization is not necessarily too much money. Not necessarily for unmarked guns. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a thing to think of. Yeah. No I know. It's just it's not a lot of people are jumping on it going like oh my god anyone can make a gun. Well no. Well not really. That's not that's not quite a thing. You kind of have to like sell your house. Um alright so maybe we'll do some rapid fire stories. I know we missed a couple things but we've run significantly overtime here so. I knew this week was going to be nuts. When ShowDoc this week was insane. So many great topics. I mean. November is here everyone. Alright so here's some positive PR for AMD. I think this has been a very AMD positive stream overall. 99vw posted on the forum. This is a Reddit. Reddit is the original source. So some guy's neighbor was cleaning his gun and accidentally discharged it. It ruined the guy's PC. He posted on Reddit. He was contacted so you can actually see what AMD's PR department said here if you can read this on the stream. Blah blah blah. Okay whatever. It'll be in the doc which we link on the forum. There you go. Maybe you can read it like this. Anyway. This is ridiculous. AMD contacts the guy. Gives him a new PC. Essentially like four components that revitalized it. Like fixes his PC. They didn't fix the case but I'm cool with that. I like that. Yeah there's a bullet hole in your case. Like how sweet is that? It's not like that sticker bullet hole. It's an act. It got shot. Like that's pretty cool. I think that's pretty that's pretty that's pretty beast mode right there. Alright so next up we've got. Oh it saved my zoom setting. Okay LG's G flex which sounds a lot more gangster than it is. G flex. G flex. It's like the phone for like drug dealers. I'm sure LG won't put that in the market. You have like eight different numbers on one SIM card or something. Speaking of which guys if you have a moment maybe tweet at LG's USA Twitter handle because that ad that we showed you like a month ago or whatever where the deal was we wanted a review unit of the G2 and we were going to show you that ad. Their PR firm so it's not actually necessarily LG's fault to be clear. They may not even know this happened but their PR firm contacted me again and said we need you to show two more of them and I kind of said well no because the deal was we showed one and then we got a review unit. So maybe just kind of let them know we could probably use a review unit of the G2 at some point here. Alright so the upcoming G flex has a curved screen and a very noticeable arc. So let's go ahead to N Gadgets video here. Should I go grab my phone? Yeah. I don't know where it is. Actually no it doesn't matter. Okay. So they showed how you can take this curved phone and you can actually flex it out to the point where it is. Oh I should probably mute that. Shoot sorry guys. So you can flex it to the point where it's pretty much straight. So you can see they take it here and bend it over the table like that. You know I had to do that. You know I think this was not news. So as much as we talked about it maybe it was just an excuse to get you guys to tell LG we need a G2. We could use a G flex too while we're at it. I wouldn't mind seeing what the curved screen experience is like. But I've seen Galaxy S3s and S4s flex that much. How to turn your S4 into a curved screen smartphone. I torqued mine in with how much pressure he was putting on that. I think it flexed easier but my phone while it probably wasn't good for it can flex quite a bit. All right next up is AMD will be selling Intel based servers. I don't think this is that big of a deal. Nice hat. I think it's just ironic. Yeah. Nice hat posted this on the forum. So AMD recently won a contract to supply Verizon with servers. So Verizon wants to get into the whole cloud thing and it was through an acquisition that AMD made last year of C micro. The only issue so C micro is a server maker and they have these extremely compact high density servers that they are selling to companies like Verizon. And it looked really cool. I mean here look at this thing guys. It has an LGA 2011 socket, two sodium memory slots, a chip set, what looks like some other complicated communication bridges here. And then it has a proprietary interface that actually looks like two PCI Express 16x interfaces. Really really cool looking board. And look how big it is. I mean that's a CPU. It's small. Very very small. So very cool technology. 3 quarters of the servers that Verizon is ordering are Intel based. So AMD will still be making money on the transactions as a middle man so to speak but they have to sell Intel based servers. Over time they'll be able to phase out those models and implement AMD models and all that. It's not really that big of a deal. It's just kind of funny. Steve Jobs' childhood is now a landmark. Oh my god. Childhood, did I say childhood? I said is childhood a landmark? Because that's not what I meant to say. Childhood home is now a landmark and I also think that I clicked on the wrong link. I am not having a good day. His childhood is a landmark. Okay it is now a historic resource. So this was posted by Snickers Z and this was a post on Techno Buffalo. Guys if you haven't seen the WAN show from last week go watch it. John for Lakers was one of the best guests we've ever had. Even just go back and watch the archive of the segment with him. We had some great conversation. Anyway Techno Buffalo is John's site. So the house where Steve Jobs grew up is now a historic resource. Blah blah blah. The One Style Ranch etc etc etc. My comment was I wonder if there's any acid tabs left. Patricia, okay get this. Patricia Jobs still lives in the house and the historic designation will make it more complicated if she wants to renovate the house in the future. Basically meaning she can't. The commission was not required to get her approval before moving forward with the vote. And not only was it not required it didn't. It didn't bother. Just yup doesn't matter. I mean I'm sure she's honored and all that but seriously? Like seriously? It's kind of brutal. People oh yeah people suck at passwords. This was a post on XKCD which is an amazing webcomic. The post was on our forum. The post was on our forum posted by Cuddlesworth9419. That 1.9 million people that use it. Oh no XKCD did the math right? Sorry. No. What did they do? Did I read it wrong? Okay you talk. You totally read it wrong. Okay so there was a post on a TechNix about how 1.9 million people used 123456 as their password for Adobe because Adobe recently got hacked and they figured out everyone's passwords and whatnot. So I had to change my password and all that for Creative Cloud. Yeah so 1.9 million people suck at passwords. And then unrelated if you go to XKCD's post. Sorry I misread this. This was my addition to it is like for you and your friends and your parents and anyone else who ever has a set of passwords so everyone they should probably read this post by XKCD which covers how people should be making passwords so they don't end up being 123456 because that's ridiculous. People make those kind of passwords because passwords are hard to come up with and they're hard to remember. But if you come up with four random things that are the first things that come to your head it's probably a really strong password and probably really easy to remember. The only issue I have with this is the number of sites that have requirements that are like well you must have this and you must have that. But this is guys if you aren't familiar if you haven't been on the internet ever before in your life and you're not familiar with XKCD. It's amazing. Awesome. XKCD.com. It claims to be about math and romance but it's actually just hilarious for anyone even if you don't have a girlfriend and you don't know any math. Not that I'm saying anyone who's watching our show on Friday night doesn't have a girlfriend. I mean you probably do. Quick Twitter blitz. Who here has a girlfriend? Actually it's probably best if we don't talk about this. Alright moving right along. He offended his entire viewer base. This is exactly what Steve Dotto was talking about. I didn't put a title. Worlds first 3D printed metal gun. No I think I'm pretty much done. Let's just do this last thing. So we're planning to head over to Best Buy or Future Shop at some point this weekend because this will only be applicable for Canadians but this is like the stupidest promo that I've ever seen. The new Call of Duty, the new Assassin's Creed and the new Battlefield titles are all available for a straight trade in of any last gen console game. It's only in Canada and it's only in certain locations. But that is any Xbox 360, PS3 or Wii U game because they classify Wii U as a last gen console. Do they really? I didn't read that part. That's hilarious. Wii games don't count. Wii U games count. So you can only do one at a time but you can go in each day to a different store and you can exchange three games for all three of the new games and it can be like Battle Mash, Cupcake 2000 or whatever. It doesn't matter. You can bring in any game you want and you will get one of those games. And they're trying to drive awareness of their games trade in program because not everyone thinks of Best Buy Future Shop when they think of trading in games. Not everyone thinks of Best Buy Future Shop. That isn't a very nice thing to say about someone who's going to give you a free game tomorrow. I will take it. It doesn't mean I have to like them. You will take it but you won't have to like it. I walked into that one. That was bad. You walked in backwards. Oh wow. That wasn't even good. I know. That was just crude. All right. We're just clearly getting close to the end of the show. How about Build Logs of the Week or something here? I shouldn't be operating any equipment. This is obviously the case. Linus, you're home. Go drunk. I know, right? I'm just going to sit here and be sad for the rest of the stream. Oh wait, you can't even do it on there because of PowerPoint. I thought you got PowerPoint on here. Yes, I do. I do have it now. Okay. You've had it for like months. Well, define months. Two months? Oh no, it doesn't work though because it came with a trial version and I installed an older version over top of it. So it takes forever to launch. Okay, no, no, no. I'll pull up the Build Logs of the Week over here. I'll operate all the machinery. Don't worry. Everything will be okay. This is why I love this show. Anything can happen. The first one has a very interesting...actually they both have...yeah, never mind. They both have completely ridiculous, really interesting cases. I think I set this up last week just as like a...oh, oh, okay. All the problems. Nope, not set up. Nope, not set up. Okay, so we're going to add a screen region here. I'm just going to do it this way. This might be a little bit easier. That might work actually. That might be totally fine. Okay, don't worry. I'll fix that. Yeah, no, that's fine. All the brokenness. Yeah. Okay, so Build Logs. Why am I still there? Go. No, no, don't worry. It's okay. Okay, so next. Or wait. Yeah, no, you're...oh, what the hell? Why am I still there? Okay. Okay, well, whatever. You're the only one talking anyway. Scooch over. There. It's the Slick Show. Okay, wow. Jump into the thing so we go to the next slide. Oh, you want me to go to the next slide? Yes. Hey, it's McLaven. Why is this so hard? Okay, case, Phanteks Enthoo Series Primo. That's like the first thing I really want to point out because when you see that picture, that thing looks amazing. Yeah, we have an unboxing coming when I get around to doing it. Oh, nice. And I saw one in person today at the NCIX Studio. It's kind of nice. Phanteks. Been doing some really cool stuff. Anyways, you can see all the specs there and we're going to move on to just some of the absolutely beautiful pictures that are in there. That cable and tubing management. Holy cow. Yeah. And these Velcros are built in. Yeah. That's awesome. That's so cool. And I love how they're actually everywhere. Like, Corsair did that where they're up the one side for the 24-pin. Yes. But they're all over the place, which is sweet. That's really cool. And the amount of cable management space back here, you don't even need a modular power supply and this thing's going to look amazing because you could put like another power supply in there. That's just sick. Here's some close-up shots. The guy's, oh man, it's just beautiful. The way he did all the colors, how it all goes in together. And a lot of times we get build logs on here where people use perfectly straight tubing everywhere. That is a style, but I don't think it's required. And I think this guy did curved tubing in a really good way. Yep. And you know what? I like seeing builds where, you know what? Look, there's a wire here. Yeah. Deal with it. Because I actually hooked up the rig. Yeah. That's one of the things that people will often criticize about my machine is like, well, there's still a lot of wires visible. And I kind of go, well, yeah, I have like a RAID card with eight SSDs and I have the fact that you see as few wires as you do is nothing short of a miracle because I actually have my front panel connectors hooked up and all this stuff. So. I'm hoping when mine's done, I'll have a capture card, a sound card, a RAID card and two graphics cards. You may not need a capture card if ShadowPlay works out. Might not if ShadowPlay works out. Yeah. But we'll see. But like that's going to be all the cables everywhere. Yeah. Like. All right. Next one. Vector Custom. Another crazy weird case. They're making PC table things. I thought about buying this, but it's like $3,500 or something like $4,500. I don't remember how much this is. This is the commercially available one though, right? I think they only produced like 30 of them or something. Not very many. And I was like, oh, because it's real nice. They're pretty freaking sweet. And it saves you like making these desk computers. The build logs are really long because they're really hard. Yeah. Really hard to make. So it's interesting that you can just buy one. But they're still like, yeah, like I just said, you can just buy one. But like you still have to do all that to it. Like it's not exactly ready to go. Not so much. So absolutely beautiful computer. I love what the guy did with it. It looks great. Look at that. Man. So clean. So again, curved tubing. You're going on a bit of a curved tubing thing. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Dave saved my butt with this build log. But yes, I don't know. I like both of them. It doesn't have to be straight tubes. If it's done properly, curved tubes can still look really good. Do you like my rig? Yes. Have you seen the finished one? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm not super stoked with mine, which is why no one gets to see it. Yeah. A lot of people have been asking to see Slick's rig for a long time. I should totally sneak into his room and like blog it for you guys. Let me know. Let me know on the Twitch chat. I'm taking my computer back. If you do happen to do it. If you want me to do that. I don't want you to do that. So should I just take the laptop back? Well, I think I already know the answer that they're going to give me anyway. They're going to be like, do it. Do it. I'm going to like. Do it. Weld metal panels onto it. So you can't see it. Weld metal panels. That'll just be cool. I'm going to actually. I'll just show them the metal panels. You're going to have to weld your door shut is what you're going to have to do. That's what I mean. Oh, that door. Oh yeah. So yeah, forget it. You're done. You're done. The back isn't cable managed and the cables go like this far out of the back. Everything's just hanging. And the cable management on his case is not that easy to deal with. It's not good and there's no. So guys, before we end the stream here, I know I always thank you guys for watching, but I am particularly thankful to you guys for watching today. Normally at the end of the show, we have around 4,000 to 5,000 viewers. So we're on the low side today. We're sitting at around 4,000 viewers. But the thing that floors me and you just took away the punch line. Thank you for that. Well, you're going to ruin my rig. That's true. I'm not going to ruin it. I'm just going to show people the ruined state that it's already in. Which ruins it. When people ask me what this back store is, I'm like 2600K666GF. So guys, thank you so much for tuning into the show in spite of the fact that there are lots of important things to watch on Twitch right now. We appreciate your support so much. It means a lot to us. And I think that was it. That was all I wanted to say. Because a lot of the time, I know there isn't necessarily anything else to watch, but today there is and you guys watched us anyway. We really appreciate it. That's very cool. The archive is going up like normal and there will be an after party with giveaways. It's coming. Sorry about my tweet earlier. Didn't change the title. It's peanut butter jelly time. Peanut butter jelly time. Peanut butter jelly time. Way out. Way out. Way out. Way out. No, there you go. There you go. There you go. There you go.