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You opened a tab Yeah Opening a new tab the solution to not wanting to do something now I did the easiest and shortest step on the way to the solution No, you didn't want to get you open this which tab oh I open it and I Successfully highlighted it the text That you thought then about changing excellent so guys we've got a great show for you today It's actually been a bit of a slow week in the hardware on the hardware side of things But we're definitely going to talk about razors new razor Mechanical key switches we are going to be talking about Firefox is $25 smartphone Like 25 bucks. That's like basically they can't go to like a chain restaurant. It's like a SIM card Yeah, yeah, that's what we paid for our sim cards. I think yes It was it was either 15 or 25 like your way sim in the phone will cost the same We've also got that in the EU the regulatory bodies that be don't want free-to-play which is to say supported by in-app purchases to be allowed to be called free and really are uncomfortable with the way that these are preying on children who don't necessarily understand the implications of upgrade now or You know such similar calls to action that don't say give us your parents money and then we will give you some intangible thing Like they don't want that in there anymore. What else we got? We've got an HTC m8 leak by a teenager who's probably in for a world of hurt coming soon And actually I think already has been but we'll we'll see more about that later. Oh my god It's pretty bad Verizon is going to be charging gamers and streamers more for the usage of more internet So and this was apparently in the name of net neutrality, but we'll again talk about that more later. Haha No Okay, I won't make you guys look at that horrible I got even awkward for me and I'm not even watching I'm just like beside and I was just like wow, I don't know what to do right now I'm gonna call that the Verizon face You should next like big conference you go to when someone says something really important you just be like And just sit there for a really long time. Well, they try to brief me on the product. Okay. Okay intro intro intro They're an interesting new sponsor Intel is one of our sponsors today and they are actually gonna be sponsoring us at PAX East Our second show sponsor the day is dollar shave club comm shave time shave money Don't slice your jugular open on camera I don't know if you guys saw our dual graphics video But we actually covered the benefits of dollar shave club in depth that took about two minutes But I'll give you the briefer version right now you get razors and shaving products And actually you can get butt wipes as well delivered to your door every month and you save money Compared to buying brand name products without compromising on the quality So without further ado what hold up with further ado we should benchmark the butt wipes We should release a video of bitch. I did not prep him on this at all. Hold on a video of that Okay, tell you what why don't we talk about this during their integration? Okay. Okay. Okay. Sure or not at all You could use something else And he's like well, I you know, I feel pretty uncomfortable right now And then he's like we should make a video benchmarking Well, I use some other type of material and I'm supposed to feel like I want to be in the same room as you Okay, you know other different types of wet wipes So our first topic of the of of the today I see I'm flustered now In everyone's favorite segment better than Bieber There is some extremely cool research going on right now with respect to solar powered Blimps now the blimps aren't necessarily going to have to be solar powered But we could be looking at a much less expensive Well, I mean solar power seems like the most feasible option right now, but we could be looking at a much less expensive way of enabling monitoring enabling of the environment enabling surveillance of Enabling I don't know I mean something that wasn't really talked as much in the article as I would have thought it would be But communications is a is a definite use for something like this, you know inter internet coverage I mean putting transmission transmitting and receiving equipment on something like a blimp as opposed to a satellite Has some serious potential. I mean up till now blimps have been mostly like they fly around Yeah, and your blimp has been like the Goodyear blimp is the only blimp anyone ever cared about Yeah, other than like using the word as an insult for you know, obese people like blimps just are not used much So anyway last year researchers from NASA Caltech Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grunmar Grumman, excuse me You are Anyway met to discuss the future of airships many believe they could be the future of Surveillance and environmental monitoring and they are planned to be anywhere from 8 to 50 miles Above sea level at that height they could perform tasks similar to satellites while costing Much much less the estimated cost of putting a satellite into orbit from the article On motherboard dot vice.com was a billion dollars the estimated cost of putting a blimp in the air once the Well, the wrinkles are ironed out in the technology could be as little as a few million So when you consider that I mean and then you consider other things too on a satellite You're going to need a better camera in order to get satellite imagery of the earth Whereas if you could just put crappier cameras on more blimps You could get blimp imagery and it would cost significantly less or even just the same or not the same cameras But the same quality of cameras and then just get much better pictures just has its own whole set of you know concerns speaking of concerns aside from the technological and Limitations that are not allowing us to do this yet. There are political reasons why it can't be done yet with you know I'm sure Russia would be thrilled For the US to have you know blimps. I'm sure the US would love having blimps all over the place Yeah, so you know likes actually literally just put the NSA logo on it and just be like, yep. What you gonna do? So there's a long way for it to go but this is extremely exciting for the future Especially as you know what I it's not actually in the dock Maybe maybe the Russians could apply for a new Olympic sport blimp hunting blimp hunting This isn't in our dock, but this is a really really cool image that was created by crap Image reveals. I think it was Yahoo news somehow came up with this or something. This was yesterday Anyway, I'm gonna screen share with you guys. I can't remember exactly what the details were but check this out This is a picture of every single satellite that is orbiting the earth. So especially as Earth's You know orbit becomes more and more crowded with junk Yeah blimps could become Necessary as much as just cheaper. That's insane. I've never seen that before I knew there was a lot and like I always kind of wondered like when they're doing these little Micro satellite projects and stuff. Yeah, they're sending like a hundred up there I'm like how many things are actually floating around and they always talk about like the space garbage literally floating around I'm like, holy cow. That's insane amount in theory The orbits are designed such that once the satellite is no longer functioning or no longer useful It'll burn up in the atmosphere. It burns up in the atmosphere But not always Okay, so apparently it was posted by the chief marketing officer of Network Infrastructure Company Extreme Networks, okay Really cool though. That's like that's the kind of stuff I like seeing to be completely honest like that's epic That's really interesting. I think we can all agree that even if you don't like seeing that image It is more important than Justin Bieber. Yes. All right So let's go ahead and fire up this article from the Chicago Tribune. The least surprising thing ever. Although careful auto play video ad. Oh I don't hear anything. All right, you're good. Maybe. Oh, I'm amazing. Nevermind good I'm like, I'm like a live streaming shiny purple shiny purple guy. What are you talking about? You are just determined to make it impossible for me to keep my show on track here I'm gonna fire you. It's a lot. Oh So Radio Shack closing over a Thousand stores after an abysmal Holiday season so in the year 2013, I mean this still leaves them with over 4,000 stores left But in the year 2013 their loss So they were already losing money widened from about 63 million to about a hundred and ninety million I mean, can you even fathom a business that's operating that poorly as like a retail store? we always kind of make fun of Best Buy and Future Shop. We do. Because we're like, oh, it's it's the showroom for Amazon like blah blah blah all these things that everybody's saying essentially But Radio Shack is like the one that sits down there below them that no one really wants to make fun of because it's just awkward Oh, yeah, you used to be a really big deal. Yeah, like remember when Radio Shack was cool Yeah, like everything you'd get was from Radio Shack I remember my dad got my brother and I this like remote-controlled monster truck from Radio Shack Yeah, it's just like the most epic thing ever if you need to fix something you go to Radio Shack and get your stuff Yeah, now it's like we sell phones So Yeah, CEO John Magnatia Magnatia, I'm sorry. I mean, whatever he won't be there long. I guess he took the job in February 2013 He blamed the loss on poor shopper traffic, which makes sense intense discounting by rivals, which makes sense and tepid mobile phone demand as well as operational problems, I mean Let's talk about mobile phone demand I mean, I know we talked about this a fair bit on the show last week, but this is the HTC one The HTC M8 is our mate or whatever. We want to call it the one two This is what we're gonna use as our you know, knockout strategy the one two punch They should have done that no they should have gotten a boxer for sponsorship I know they should have called it the one two anyway Um, they missed out on that one. So the one launched last year almost a year ago and the new ones coming sometime I think there's an event like later this month like the 25th or something. They confirmed it The one was head and shoulders above their previous Top end phone which was head and shoulders above the one before that the rumors about the one two stuff like Two cameras on the back. Well, that's not even a rumor because of the leak that we'll talk about later but two cameras on the back and like slightly bigger screen and like Same thing with the s5. Look what's really been improved here No one really it comes with like 50 pre subscribe things which we'll talk about more later as well. It's like so Where's the mobile phone demand gonna come from? So these are all things that being a CEO of a company Like you're blaming it on this stuff. Yeah, no crap. You should have figured that out These are exactly things that you should have been worried about tell you what then what else would Radio Shack have done? I don't know. Well, I'm not a CEO of Radio Shack. This isn't my job and he's only been the CEO for like a year I know but he's blaming it on things that are not like of course that's happening to literally every what else are you gonna say? Are you just gonna hold no press conference? Are you gonna not even talk to your investors have some sort of plan? What would your plan be if you were Radio Shack? I don't know. All right, fair enough. You have to check again I'm not the CEO of Radio Shack. I haven't looked into it. I'm sure there's something he can do So sales fell from 1.17 billion in the quarter Or fell from 1.17 billion in the quarter covering the holiday season to 935 million in the quarter covering the holiday season year over year, which is just I mean if you're only selling 1 billion and you are losing 200 million That's a really big. I mean, that's a huge problem. It sounds like a lot of money and you're like, oh they still make a lot of money But that's not how this really works. Yeah, they know they're losing tons of money They are losing hundreds of millions of dollars like that's as if you had a store like let's say your theoretical store You had volunteer employees and you had no rent to pay. That's the equivalent of buying dollar bills and selling them for 80 cents That's what Radio Shack is doing I mean it's I'll be blown away if they still exist in another year or two Again speculations like that like I'm not surprised but I expect them to last a little bit longer just because they'll keep liquidating like crazy Yeah, I mean they can keep closing stores. Yeah, you know that but I fully expect they won't matter even less than they already don't matter I'm like you gotta wonder who still owns shares in a company like that. Yeah, like what future does someone see me? Maybe it's just people who have like diverse stock portfolios and they just Sort of they because people do this one of the sections dies. Yeah, it's not really that important where they don't think about it much They just kind of invest in everything and then don't look at it anymore And some of the stuff will do really well and some will do poorly and that'll be that yeah Alright, so let's go to our next story Firefox smartphone so there's a hands-on review from PC advisor Co. UK and I think the biggest thing to take away from this is that the overall impression of the phone is that it doesn't feel great I mean, it doesn't feel like a premium smartphone But it's 25 bucks Like what you expect and it doesn't feel bad either But if you think about that, I mean think about that Okay So like a toy from five years ago, could you get a plastic toy for 25 bucks? That kind of felt like it had okay build quality Actually, yeah, maybe yeah. So if the internals Have gone down in price to such a degree that now we can build a phone that has that toy like good enough build Quality but has a super cheap set of internals that is plastic can feel really good. Look at old Nintendo stuff Yeah, like the whole thing used to be like you could throw your SNES out your window go pick it up It'll probably still work like Plastic can feel good. So this is a collaboration between Mozilla and spread trim communications That's the Chinese chip company that is that worked on the project. It is intended for emerging markets, although You know, I actually see up some many practical uses for this outside of emerging markets I mean, it's got basic functionality so you can web browse It's got Facebook Twitter and Pinterest as well as Wikipedia apps already working I brought up earlier actually the cost of the SIM card and that's actually because when I was reading this all I could think about Was when we were in Vegas when I do that crazy run for SIM cards. Yeah 10 mile walk or whatever because If we could have just bought four of these yeah It's 100 bucks that's cheaper than we paid for the SIM cards Yeah, and and additional funding on it and if it just maybe it was $35 Yeah, and it can be included a phone and a sim. Yeah, and like your first hundred minutes or whatever Yeah, I think there is a huge potential because I mean like like like clamshell boxed You know standard phones like I don't think they ever did they even ever do flips like remember those right? I think they did anyway so like standard clamshell super basic phones that would like come with some prepaid minutes And then it was like a pay-as-you-go plan that you were expected to use with them Those did reasonably well and for some people that's as much as they would ever need if you could have a smartphone at that price point I think there is a definite market for it aside from drug dealers And and there's like there's a lot of people like my dad was actually in that situation right now where he's in a long We're a drug dealer. No where he's in it I mean drug dealers got to check their emails to got to be on that that Twitter He's in a long plan and his phone dies, right? He doesn't want to buy a new phone when he's just gonna be on another contract in five months, right? So he goes and buys he bought a clamshell based smartphone and then just ripped the sim out and put his in right? That was what he did. So that's just like a stopgap solution Yeah, it's a crappy much older version of a smartphone But I mean, I don't think the intention of a product like this. I mean you look at no At the ideals of the Mozilla Foundation. Do they want to create a bunch more e-waste? No, no I'm just saying you could but people could find this useful and in emerging markets like Those are examples that I'm seeing in North America Yeah in emerging markets this makes a ton of sense if it's gonna be 25 bucks and still be able to do all this stuff That's awesome. So it's got a hundred and twenty eight megs of RAM a 1.2 gigahertz a5 processor three and a half inch HVGA So that's half a VGA 480 by 320 display two gigs of storage and a point three megapixel camera So I think point three megapixels is 640 by 480. No, no, no, I think that's like 2.3 megapixels Okay, I can't remember anymore. Not that awesome. Yeah, it's it's not not super awesome But like in comparison to Apple's whole idea of Cheap phones in India. What was it like 250 bucks for an iPhone 4 or something more than that. It was something stupid Yeah, I think it's like close to 300 or like 350 or something like that. And like so Moto G comes in and it's like But then isn't Moto G even like 150 bucks or something Moto G is 180 still hundred bucks So this completely destroys it, of course, it's not nearly as good. Yeah But it's the Moto G is a truly current generation smartphone experience like that You know, you feel like it's still very strong Whereas this is like and this would be a lot easier again for a non-emerging markets idea if you're if you're if you're If you're sure you're gonna get your kid a phone you live in India You got to reach like your grandma who doesn't give any cares about like, you know Hulu Or whatever. It's great. Well you live anywhere and you want to give your grandma phone. Yeah, exactly Terrible idea. All right. So this was brought up to me by a viewer because we didn't have like a concise list of the features of telegram last week I actually haven't had a look throughout the week to see how they're doing in terms of signups a lot better I haven't seen exact numbers, but apparently like kind of a big deal. Things are good. Yeah, things are going good So here are the features. I haven't personally switched to it. I don't actually use whatsapp either because I'm old SMS I actually use hey kids. I've got in my SMS I'm gonna use to message people because my phone plan is unlimited. So I don't really care I Love these characters for what the open one. That's hilarious. Yeah, so it's private cloud based fast Distributed so their their servers are spread worldwide It is open has an open API and is protocol free for everyone is free they say forever But I really wonder could we call them on it if they ever tried to charge? secure, yeah, but they won't care just like Google and then their whole thing with the security is that there's a message that gets sent between two Completely like we've disclosed who they are and where they are and what time the message gets sent To clients that if you can interpret it, they'll pay you I think it's two hundred thousand dollars in bitcoins in bitcoins And then there's a procedure for sort of how to how to claim it powerful No limits on the sides of media and chats and the last one is we can do it Which isn't really a feature of a few of these that aren't really of an app Not really features. But anyway, there you go guys If you're looking for something that isn't owned by Facebook to switch you and your grandma to grandmas can use on whatsapp My grandpa uses whatsapp probably better than I do Better than you do. How does one use whatsapp better than I never have and he was the one that was like we should make a group Your grandpa's such a badass All right, so speaking of oh No, I'm sorry I sneezed no not that Speaking of topic of badass. I know I know this topics Everything in this just sucks. I know this is just a sucky thing for everyone So this was posted by Dylan 522 P on the forum and The video was originally posted on the YouTube's and there's all kinds of drama llama stuff going on But basically this kid I'm just gonna mute it. Yeah, I'm gonna mute it This kid created a video about the new HTC one m8. It's like 13 minutes long 12 minutes long, pardon me. And it's you know, there's it's showing sense six It's showing the multiple rear cameras. It's it's showing software features It's really it's like it's not very well done It's not like a leak by a professional reviewer or anything like that and the rumor at the time was that he probably knows someone within HTC and Has gotten himself and said person into a whole lot of trouble all HTC had to say about this initially was We'll be in touch. Oh and we have your IMEI. We have your Yeah, we have your IMEI and other info will be in touch So allegedly and I haven't actually verified this but allegedly HTC has fired both of his parents at this point in time I mean, it's one of those things where You know, I don't I feel bad for everyone. Yeah, I feel bad for HTC because this should have never happened. I mean That is a fireball offense. Yeah, in fact, I'm pretty sure it's in your employee contract here that leaking confidential information Subjects you not only to being fired, but also to legal Ramification and like I can sue you for damages and not only that but I'm also under external ones Due to whatever we're working on. Yeah at whatever time so I have yours and I have potential other ones Yeah, so so like NDAs are a big deal. Yeah, like I get people asking me all the time Hey Linus when's Nvidia's new graphics card coming out? And the only time that I can speculate on it is when I don't know Or when there's like someone else has leaked information We can be like look what they said we can say that but we are not gonna leak information because that kind of crap is a big deal and That kind of crap gets your parents fired and gets Gets the internet, you know, what's it called doxing? Yeah, where they where they'll just the internet spreads your information everywhere Oh, yeah, yeah that kind of stuff gets you doxed shows a picture of himself in the video Seems to understand vaguely that it's a bad idea to be doing what he's doing because he opens up a messaging app and Says oh, let me shake it. So you don't see my messages like seems to have some concept of that privacy should probably mean be maintained here But you know, like I feel bad for the parents because like their Dumbass kid just got both of them fired and potentially Unemployable. Yeah, like that kind of thing is a real black mark on your on your resume I feel really bad for the kid because he seems pretty young and Must not have Like it's not even probably didn't understand the the scope of like the importance of what's going on here and Like obviously didn't understand based on the fact that he made this video I'm sure he knew it was not a good thing But there's no way he understood the ramifications that were possible. Yeah, like there's So I feel bad for him because like it like I mean, you know, I I'm I'm a father. I love my baby But like I'd be pretty mad for a pretty long time if he got both me and mom fired This is one thing that sucks about the internet. I've done some stupid crap. Yeah, like we've all been kids at certain points in time Yeah They didn't get my name plastered all over the internet with hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people that now know who I am Like like I like he was stupid but the punishment is Is seeing way exceeds the severity of the crime because of the internet Like yeah, just anyway, so leaked info two rear cameras Micro sd card slot, although that might not necessarily be true in every region. The one had a micro sd expand Yeah, it did. It did The g2 in korea had a whole bunch of different stuff. Yeah, the one was dual sim I actually can't remember if it had micro sd. I think it had micro sd in china It's been a long time since i've cared Android 4.4 with sense 6 and the battery stayed at 40 for eight minutes with the screen on although it might be not very granular in terms of how it measures it so Hard to conclude anything about that. But just a terrible situation Yeah So yeah You know what I don't like no We haven't done a twitter blitz for just general q a in a long time That's a good point guys hit us Uh at linus tech on twitter Go ahead and and blitz us and we'll go ahead and check out some of your questions in the next uh little while here Oh, yeah, and I don't know if you noticed but there is now a link to the linus tech tips store Merch.linus tech tips.com you can head on over there and our store is on district lines We got some cool t-shirts which haven't actually arrived yet or i'd be wearing it instead of my team ocz t-shirt That's like super awesome. Yeah, I know right Okay apple carplay I called it although i'm i'm actually expecting them to do a much more integrated experience With an actual like i-car at some point. Yeah, that's when I when I first started reading this I thought it was like Apple makes a play for cars as in they wanted to make an apple car and then I started reading I was like, oh, okay Not quite still pretty cool, but like not not what I expected it to be still very cool I mean, this is this is what I have said and continue to say about apple is what's great about them Is that they they drive the experience forward they integrate things They don't necessarily invent everything but they integrate things and they've got a bunch of current partners including ferrari honda honda Mercedes benz and jaguar they have 12 more signed up including uh toyota and ford like Major partners this is gonna be a thing. Well, it's apple doing a great job Yeah, they're gonna get everybody on board. It's compatible with lightning equipped mobile phones It will be launching with os 7.1 later this month So it's coming like right away And you can get directions make calls send and receive messages and listen to music There's more app support coming soon. So podcasts beats radio. I heart radio spotify stitcher But I think it's really cool. That's that's awesome because hopefully now that they're doing it we'll get Yeah, exactly. We'll get something a little bit more open. I mean honestly, I really like the apple tv Okay but Yeah Chromecast is cool, too Okay, but hold on apple tv came first in their defense. Yes, that's true I like the apple tv, but my biggest problem with it is why the hell can't I install whatever apps I want to install? Apple like just stupid stuff like hey, we're apple. We're really good at this integration and this experience But you're gonna have to have exactly the experience that we have mapped out for you And so i'm really excited to see google move towards something like this and better integration with google phones because With google we can expect to see all kinds of like aftermarket dash add-ins that are well integrated with the same Although it might take them kind of a couple years to iron out the bugs and then you might be able to retroactively put them in Other things that aren't like because I if as far as I can tell these are cars that will come with this right, um No, I don't think so. So appadvice.com actually has a good article about it That's a little bit more in depth than apple's splash page that just says coming soon coming soon Uh, so it looks like okay, so here from pictures I'm actually not a hundred percent sure. You know what? I think you might be right. It looks like because it's gonna be some sort of like Yeah, either a dock or something that already exists. I mean it's possible that we'll see it retroactively Outfitted into cars with reduced functionality like for example if just pressing your mind you you need a lightning connector So yeah, there's like yeah, it's not over bluetooth. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, it wasn't actually 100 clear I haven't read somewhere where it's like this is how it works But it just makes sense that it would only be in like new ones. There you go So you'll hold down your voice control in your like on your steering wheel and you'll be able to use Siri and stuff like that, you know it actually Okay. Well, then it's all of a sudden it's bothering me again because if you need a dedicated device Why exactly do you need a smartphone to go with it then? Yeah Maybe because it could work off some type of API support Yeah, so then if you got a new smartphone like in two years It's still you wouldn't have to like have this archaic one that just like lives in your car If people have like the I call them car pods The old like big iPod that they still have yeah, I'm like ten years ago that they just leave in their car Maybe they're trying to avoid that I have a creative Zen vision M 30 gig that I actually just found the charger for I'm planning to put in my car so it can live there cars in yeah cars in Don't achieve Zen while you're driving Should we answer that Twitter thing which one yeah. Yeah, let's do our let's do our Twitter blitz Really? Nobody tweeted us. I have a bunch And you're in them. So, I don't know Ah, this is interesting. Okay, let's oh, there's the problem. Okay, I was looking at the faster thing Harder better faster. I don't get yeah see forever. Kyle Paul. Yeah, these these jokes does so funny Someone says I am new to watching this channel. Does this show show up on your videos? Yes, it does Do a switch to Linux for a bit and if so, what distro? You know what I'm not gonna switch to Linux on my desktop But I am planning to switch my media PC over to Linux as soon as steam OS is done So steam OS. Yes, so devian. Yeah, so I'll be switching to DB and I'll be learning how to install things I'm a completely in line Linux noob I'll probably have to get you to show me the various ways and then I'll decide how I'll do it from there Okay, so probably not terminal All right, do you think it's possible to start with YouTube now with so many successful youtubers making a living with it Or is it too late? I think it's possible. I think it's extremely difficult I think it's more difficult than it used to be but there are even in the tech space up-and-coming youtubers like Barna Clees and Jays two cents who are still small, but You can still be small and be up-and-coming. I mean I I I used to think about it that way a lot I mean I I I used to think about it that way a little bit like I'd look at someone like Like sexy Phil whose live show I actually went to last week last Friday after the WAN show I drove exactly the speed limit all the way to the theater where the event was being held and It was really interesting for me because while I don't really follow source fed that closely or anything like that It was cool to see compared to sort of where I am relative to him now and where I was relative to him when I started up five years ago And where I was relative to him I think it was three years ago when he got the seed funding from YouTube and started source fed and I was kind of like oh, okay Well, if I'm three years behind in three years Would I be happy if we were able to like tour live and do like cool demonstrations and shows? And if we had as many followers and as many staff and like if we had all these processes in place Would I be happy with that? I'm like, yeah, that'd be cool Like there's still potential for me to keep growing and there's no reason three years from now that I couldn't do that So if you were like this on about an order of magnitude smaller than him If you were an order of magnitude smaller than me, so you had like 70,000 subscribers right now Is there any reason you couldn't be this big in three years? And would being this big in three years be just as much of an awesome accomplishment? Absolutely So there's potential But you have to have an angle and it's real hard and you're gonna have to do a lot more work than you're probably expecting right now Yeah Yeah starting a lot more work than it seems like even for us starting up a new youtube channel is kind of a daunting A daunting task. I mean speaking of which we may actually have some Some interesting things to talk about on the show today Maybe we'll be letting our viewers decide what our next channel will be Dun dun dun, but starting up a channel is a daunting task and we can support it with another larger one So good luck I guess we move down more questions. Yeah. Yeah, here we go. All right apple Carplay take a left onto runway 24. What's that? Carplay take a left onto runway 24. Well, we'll see What do you guys think about direct x12? I think that it was uh, definitely time that the sleeping giant was woken up and did something With direct x anything they have a live stream coming up where they're going to be talking about some stuff I mean, I think mantel's interesting but the fact that it lacks backwards compatibility with Anything and the fact that it has to be specifically coded for when the game developers are going to have to code for direct x Anyway, and it's still like kind of broken and it's still pretty dinky like anything and everything that has said like yeah We're going to release with mantel has not released with mantel Yeah, so I Thief was a big one for me. No mantle and no true audio at launch like Anyway, um, I think direct x12 if it's not a complete pile of garbage is probably just going to Continue to be dominant is htc 1 m8 your next primary smartphone. I don't know. I'll have to try it first I don't even have one Do you know why the 2420 te was discontinued? I think it's replaced by the z Expectations on 800 series evolutionary or revolutionary? Well based on that we've seen maxwell already and this is a great example of why I can speculate because I have no idea But based on what we've seen of maxwell already the 750 ti and 750 are like real solid really good And really like on the overclocking side was fun That hasn't happened in a little while. It hasn't happened in a while So we saw overclock ability. We saw great power consumption. We saw an evolutionary increase in performance and And that to me is a solid indicator that higher end versions of maxwell will be similar So hopefully let's hope yeah. Yeah, and there's even there's even speculation that they're going to be more tuned for Coin mining if you want to do that. Yeah Any plan to fix the wall Yeah at some point I want to have I actually ordered um, like a five foot ten mannequin to dress in the stormtrooper armor So we'll actually just have a stormtrooper like standing behind us. Yeah, so no, we're doing things Will we be at computex 2014? I am not planning on it right now It's a really big trip. It's a big trip. It's extremely expensive. I haven't had any sponsors like come Crawling to our feet telling us they really need us to be there and they really want to throw You know thousands of dollars at us to make it happen. So So Yeah, i'm expecting computex to be a big deal in terms of notebooks and in terms of cpus and chipsets But these are all things cpu chipset will have access to Ahead of time anyway, and if anything computex last year Interfered with us doing better coverage of the haswell launch. Yeah, because we had no time No time at all launching graphics cards at the same time. That was insanity. That was just ridiculous So we might just chill here But you know what this seems like as good a time as any to launch into our sponsor segment And let's go ahead and but we'll be shaping her no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no What what what are you talking about? You were like but and then started they can't see this But then started typing in dollar shape club. Yeah, like we won't be going to come text, but Yeah, so let's move into our first sponsor here There we go. We're not necessarily going to computex, but we are going to paxies Paxiest All right. Maybe you should maybe give some more details because Intel is our big sponsor for paxies So we're gonna be doing a bunch of cool stuff with them And in addition to that corsair confirmed last night that they are also going to be sponsoring us at paxies So huge thanks to intel and corsair for making it possible But why don't you talk about what the plan is at pax east? There's a few different things one we're going slightly early so that we can check in with the cloud imperium games Pre pax east event so we're going to try and get some coverage from there if we can We don't know exactly what's going to be happening there. Don't we don't we have a hint? We have a hint But I don't we can't tease the hint. We can't tease the hint. What is wrong with you? Can't tease that hint. Is that not public information? I don't know how legit it is Because he hasn't said like these teams are in Okay, so like I don't want to be like it's happening without it actually happening Okay, so there's possibly something really cool that might happen at that event, but we're not really sure yet We're definitely checking out dogfighting We will have dogfighting footage no matter what Because they said they're either going to have it at that pre event or they will have it in pax east Our space industries is also going to be inside of pax east. Does michael vic live in boston? I don't know. Oh, sorry. You said you had dogfighting footage. Whoa. Wow. That's not funny. That's terrible I can't believe how quickly people forget about stuff like that. It's just like You know, we just we just completely forgive celebrities For just basically being heartless horrible people Anyway, sorry go ahead. Uh, so dogfighting we're specifically referring to the dogfighting module from star citizen Yeah, so we're gonna have coverage of that oculus is also going to be there So i'm hoping that they're gonna have some type of news as to why they brought down Manufacturing for dev kit one. So hopefully we'll be seeing something about that. I have no idea but i'll be checking out oculus for sure um, and then Are we gonna be streaming from the booth? Not sure yet But we'll definitely be covering intel's cool stuff there So they're gonna have 738 series ssds all over the place they're gonna have some exciting gaming notebooks all over the place and uh, Yeah, it's gonna be awesome. And then you'll probably do a bunch of coverage of the indie Yeah, I was just gonna bring that up too as you guys seemed to like the most from pax prime Anyways, we'll probably be doing a bunch of coverage from the indie mega booth and that will be a focus this time So we can actually spend more time there, which should be good. This also marks The upgrade of team b to team a Because I will not be there So team b luke and brandon, they will be the only ones going to pax east from linus media group I'll be doing sort of like uh, you know, like controlling the dials like in the hunger games um From here. Pax east is the arena. Yeah It's like okay, let's throw a throng of like, uh, you know fans at you know, slick right now You should do that. You should have like you should coordinate I don't even want to know but you should like coordinate ambush as well on film or something. That would be fantastic You know, I wouldn't even have to coordinate at this point if any of you guys see him at pax east make sure you ambush him All right. So we have another sponsor and we actually had a ton Of fun creating the integration we did earlier this week for these guys in our dual graphics video Which we're going to discuss in more detail because I felt like the video told the message Told the story of dual graphics and and value graphics card shopping a little bit But I still think there's a little bit more room for us to to sort of chat about it So dollar shave club This is a package of what looks like the kind of thing that you might receive from them And uh, we we started talking with them and I didn't really know much about it. I'd seen the hilarious commercial But beyond that I was like like I didn't really know how much it cost and I didn't know really any of the details But the idea is that you sign up and it's a subscription based shaving service Where they will deliver you once every month whatever particular tier you subscribe to they've got a kind of hilarious sense of humor So for their one wipe charlies, which are not for shaving you don't wipe your face with them Especially after you've used them. Oh So they're butt wipes for men And okay, so so it's so it's right on their thing. Oh, yes You probably know how to wipe your ass at this point in life below are just some helpful tips How to use one wipe charlies. I'm just like really you guys It's freaking awesome. So they have they have three different tiers that are available I'm just going to go ahead and uh run over to my screen here Uh, the humble twin the forex and the executive So the forex and the executive the objective here was to create something that was competitive with or even better than the brand name Shavers and razors and cartridges that you can buy in the store Except without the hassle of waiting around in the store for someone to go unlock the thing like guys Feel free. Let us know in the twitch chat. I'm going to be having a look at the twitch chat Do they lock the shaver? Uh, like the shaver cartridges behind a glass case at your store because i've seen it you've seen it My skin is the least sensitive thing ever. So i've had the same razors for like over a year That is actually horrible. Okay, so And I don't use shaving cream. So the other thing that was appealing about this whole thing is the laziness factor because Because i'm sure you understand that the shaving experience is better if you ever place your blades once in a while Yeah, just way too cheap and way too lazy, but being too cheap and too lazy is kind of the problem So for in the u.s Six bucks a month shipping and handling included you can get a four razor blade That comes with a free handle the first time you order it So that one looks like this and then you get four new cartridges per month that you can swap on so that you're using One per week, which means whenever you're using it, it's actually sharp They come in a little thing like this You can get their shave butter which has um, you know A bunch of ingredients like golden barley organic prickly pear cactus and all that kind of good stuff And then it is actually I I did use it like I legitimately used it I don't think we used the footage of me actually shaving with it when I did the integration. Okay, but um, and you used like the the big Executive one i'm guessing I like the butter and yeah, I used the executive which is still cheaper than buying them at the store Yeah, but like six blades i'm like freaking well, that's the thing that always drove me drove me crazy was like i'd go to Buy more razors I'd be like k well I what why why is this so much money? I know the same as like Not really this should be just something you throw in the cart and in the us the six dollars or nine dollars a month includes shipping So it's like once a month. That's your that's your shaving supplies Anyway, guys, if you didn't see me if you didn't see the integration Okay Even if you know everything you need to know about dollar shave club now, which is basically save time save. Sorry this slogan shave time shave money Uh, then you should still check out this video the dual graphics video because this is freaking awesome Uh, I actually had edzel. I think he spent like a couple hours on this Because i'm oh, I think there's audio Is that the hobbit yeah, that's sting that sting So guys, uh head over to dollar shave club.com slash lioness and check it out. It's available in canada the us and australia Australia, all right, so that leads us pretty comfortably into our next discussion topic Which is the dual graphics versus other value graphics cards? Testing that you did so why don't you open with how we initially tested versus the expanding to expanded testing that our viewers demanded Well, we tested just dual graphics. So that's a that was our 7850k Um along with a r7 250 And then that was like, okay Well, we need things to compare it against so we compared it against just very by itself and then I compared it against a traditional Setup, which is a non dual graphic setup of those two combined and found. Okay dual graphics is awesome. It works It works. Okay. Awesome is a strong word, but we discovered that it works within the confines of that test It is fairly awesome. You see a really big improvement. It does what they said it does Yes, and then as we were kind of finishing up and I was preparing to film and we were almost done Uh, we talked about it and we were like, okay, well How awesome? Yeah, if you were someone who was buying things on the market, you weren't like I am buying these two things What if you're buying a multitude of different things you were shopping around how awesome? So then we ran a ton of things so the numbers you can see if my switches those are kind of what we started with Oh, hold on that camera. Yeah Tiny us there we go Okay, so these are the initial numbers where we were like, okay Dual graphics works. Look at that. It's better than You know just an apu and better than just a graphics card running on the cpu portion of the apu So then we you know, we're like, uh, oh previous Okay, so then here's sheer fps numbers in far cry 3 and then here is a price to performance Evaluation where we can see that running dual graphics if you look at how many dollars it costs you per fps per frame per second, which is an interesting way to evaluate solutions because Okay It's not always which one is the lowest one on the graph because something could deliver great fps per dollar But not deliver a playable gaming experience Like if you bought a potato for a dollar and it could deliver you one fps That would be one fps per dollar great ratio Whereas if you spent a hundred dollars on like seven potatoes that could deliver 30 fps that bundle deal is terrible I know it's really bad. Okay Okay, you can all agree cucumbers are great for all kinds of things. So if you bought The better solution that gives you a playable frame per second. So 30 fps but cost much much more That's still probably the better one to buy. Okay, so back to the numbers Um, it delivered better value and higher frame rates. So we're like, yeah, that's great in bio shock infinite and in far cry 3 then expanded testing came along so All the numbers we added and it's funny because someone commented on this video what intel fanboys we are Oh my god, I know There's an intel slant to everything that we we do or something like that. What and I was like Are you high Well, no, I think what I said was did you actually watch the video because the intel solutions The only intel things on here are a 4670k that has the highest performance by like a little bit two and a half FPS i'll have to make us even smaller Okay, so two and a half fps higher and then the lowest performing solution with a $200 cpu running its integrated graphics and performing half as well as amd's latest apu at $200 okay. So anyway, we added a 750 ti discrete graphics card because we had just done our review and we saw how fantastic that was but Not to appear as if we were just showcasing how nvidia is so superior to amd because it's not about that We threw in a 260x which is also an excellent value card from amd Then we were like, okay Well, let's keep testing the r7 250 so we keep those numbers in there So we've got three graphics cards one that is capable of running with the apu and dual graphics or crossfire and two of them That can't do it but are more powerful cards then we were like, you know what let's throw in more cpus, too Let's find out so we threw in the intel cpu and then let's throw in a last generation amd apu You know just for its cpu prowess because cpu performance didn't change much and it's quite a bit cheaper than the newer Apu and then let's throw in an athlon x4 which is the same architecture as the last gen Apu but doesn't have an onboard gpu but is extremely inexpensive So the fps numbers aren't really that interesting except to demonstrate That with a discrete graphics card, whether it's a 260x or a 750 ti You have to have a seriously like not very powerful cpu in order to really fall below playable frame rates because Yeah, we got 60 to 76 so to 79 fps spending anywhere from what was a 760k like 80 bucks a 760k was 90 okay, so anywhere from 90 bucks to 200 bucks you're getting at best You know a 50 improvement in frames per second Okay, so we determined that and then we determined that okay the the dual graphics solution doesn't perform that well Oh, but what's with that pricing? So then we move beyond that and we graphed it in terms of fps per dollar not including motherboard not including the motherboard which can be more expensive on the intel side as well and More expensive for newer platforms like fm2 plus for the new apu as well So check that out the big winner is the 760k the cheapest cpu on our list with a 750 ti a value but yet gaming grade so above hundred dollar graphics card and this this is this is a big problem because Basically what happened was we went from being like dual graphics. That's kind of cool to Nope or in very specific situations. Yes to why would you buy this? Yeah, because right now Kaveri and you know what I can kind of answer that question Why would you buy this as a strictly gamer becomes a difficult question to answer? That's why I said very specific situations Yeah because for non-gamers who are looking at content creation and who are interested in leveraging the hsa Architecture of kaveri where you can I mean it can do all kinds of crazy stuff like even loading up a folder In windows waiting for thumbnail previews to pop in goes way faster on a kaveri Because of the way the cpu and the gpu work together But if you're strictly gaming you're much better off to spend your 300 dollars on a 760k and a 750ti and get way better performance so There you go There you go. That's that was that was actually one of my favorite things i've done in a long time Yeah, that was fun. So I found that to be really interesting Okay, let's go ahead and oh are people saying that there's echo. I hope not. I didn't see that. Okay, cool All right. So let's do a couple more twitter twitter. Someone just said slick loves bar graphs Yep You didn't even know how to make them before uh, you met me. Nope pathetic Mind you I don't I didn't know how to like make a website. So even on like geo cities. I never did it Yeah, well I didn't on geo cities either but that's because geo cities was terrible Linus wants to know if he can take us out for lunch if he happened to pass by vancouver someday We've actually had quite a few people ask us about that believe it or not in the past And i've always kind of said no, but it's but mr. Forsell if you're in town Yeah, we'll take you out for lunch, but it's but it's him. I know I know who it is Yeah, I know how much he's supported us over the years um You're a cool dude, man We'll have some lunch. Maybe we'll get like free pizza with our order of something All right My 7970 runs at 95 degrees while running furmark should I rma it? No don't run furmark. Yeah, bam Okay, should I card runs pretty hot? Yeah Uh, should I add another two gig 7850 on the cheap or wait to buy maxwell base? No idea can't comment on future products because we don't do How long would you expect a new higher end pc to last before it needs an upgrade or to be fully replaced? A lot longer than I would have said three or four years ago the pace of innovation Especially on the cpu side has slowed down and the pace at which ram requirements Increasing has slowed down. I mean I bought a pc like four years ago that I put 12 gigs of ram in And I spent um Oh crap, it was 20 dollars per gig because that was when anion went out of business 12 gigs of ram is still enough. Yeah Whereas more years prior to that. What do we have? 256 512 was standard So things have slowed down a lot Have you ever spent all of your monies as a child if yes on what? No, I think he means like have you ever blown like your savings? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah My sister bought a trampoline once Whoa, so that was an example of that saved up for like three years of allowances and bought a trampoline. Whoa Um, let me try to think if I ever did it I did did you what did you mineral computer your mineral oil computer? Oh, yes My first computer same thing. Yeah, I spent all my money on my first computer Yeah, actually my my first computer wasn't even a mineral computer I had to go down to richmond to some place with my dad and like pick up parts from this little shop And it was this huge ordeal Um, but that was my first computer and then my mineral computer was actually my second computer Which I used a few parts from my first computer for I don't think I did it prior to that though Um any videos planned on the gtx titan black? No, no It's a titan except black and a little bit faster faster Where would you be if there was no internet? Oh, wow um I don't know relaxing Probably with an easier life Uh, well, maybe not easier I I like my job. I do too. Okay, it isn't easy. I'm not saying I didn't like it You can like things that are I like video games on hard difficulty This is an interesting question 780 ti now or high end maxwell later titan black not worth it Yeah, yeah titan black not worth it. You know what? I probably wouldn't buy a 780 ti With where we're sitting right now 780 Yeah, I'd buy 780. It's such a good Like with that price drop that price drop was sick It almost never made sense at any point in time in the history of graphics cards At least for the past eight or nine years to buy the top tier card. It's like the Basically just a way of showing that you have more money than you know what to do with I mean no offense to people who buy the top tier card Um buying the second one down or buying two of them has been the way to go from a bang to From a bang for the buck perspective if you still really want bleeding edge performance Two of the next one down is actually usually more expensive but that much more powerful running an sli or crossfire Where do I see linus media group in the future? Um, hopefully not in this office And uh, I want to have a team probably of anywhere between 10 to 15 people I want us to have a lot more high quality and fun content like the dusting out your pc video Tech quickie fast as possible. I think is a fantastic format for us in the future I want to have more hosts and more more scripters I want to be able to pump out more content for you guys And ultimately I need the community and our sponsors to keep supporting us to do that And that's that's the direction that I see for us. Hopefully more stormtrooper outfits as well. Yeah Like all the stormtrooper Okay, so let's move on to our next discussion topic This has been a fun show. I hope you guys are enjoying it as much as I am. Is it uh fight time? Uh, no, no, no, I think we can all agree on this one because calling something free When actually it's just free until we make you pay to unlock the rest of it Like do you know how disappointed I was to find out that angry birds star wars? Let's you play through like the first two campaigns and then locks like the third one Just like what? Oh, like I couldn't agree with this more This whole thing happening like calling a game free because it's not When you say like- Run through the whole thing. Like what's going on here? So the idea is that in the eu they want to change it so that free to play games that have in-app purchases Are not able to call themselves free to play games because they're not actually free to play because saying Um, what is it ea's new thing? I don't dungeon keeper I don't remember. Okay, whatever it is It's not really free to play when a massive part of the game is buying things Because actually being able to effectively play the game you have to buy a whole bunch of stuff Or else it'll take you way too long to play it makes it a completely unfeasible experience So they want to take it out because of a multitude of different reasons one of them being children It's a really big problem and pops up in the news every once in a while when some kid spent two grand on a video game On his phone. Yeah on his mom's credit card. I need more attempts than candy crush. Yeah. Go. Yeah I want to keep playing this button allows me to keep playing. Yeah, that's really not good um And i'm for a long time really hated the term free to play because it rarely really applies properly There's a few games that do it in ways that I find completely acceptable like league of legends. I think does it in a fairly Good way team fortress 2 team fortress 2 does it in a really good any valve game does it in an amazing way? Um that is free to play So yeah, I would really want this to happen So, I mean basically I don't think there's any firm plan in place as to how they can do this but the idea is that you can't use words like free if they're not actually free and the Sort of the accusation is that this causes financial harm to consumers now I would make the argument that figuring out new ways to Squeeze more money out of consumers is just an endless arms race and there'll be something else in the future as well And I would also make the argument that most people who download an app for free expecting it to to Be free They have a choice If they discover that they don't like the free implementation They have a choice whether they want to pay more or not like I don't feel I don't feel deceived Because i'm just trying to think of of an app that actually we are Well versed as well if someone who's not really into tech stuff picks up a phone and goes, oh this is a free game Cooks on it and then they just buy things everywhere I don't know. I mean, I guess it depends on the implementation. Like I don't like the way candy crush does it Yeah, where it's like pay for more attempts. Whereas the way that reaper did it actually have you played reaper? No, it's actually pretty good You got to play with a controller though the android games that I play to be honest are all humble bundle android games I have like 50 because i've just bought every humble bundle android game. So reaper I felt pretty good about they let me play it For a little while they let me get a good it was a demo Okay, I like demos and I unlocked it because demos make a ton of sense and they're called demos They're not called free of the game, right? But but but the demo app is not differentiated from the full app you unlock it with an in-app purchase. I'm like, okay Uh, but I like I don't feel bad about that. I don't feel deceived. So I don't know there's that um, although one thing that I really I really feel very strongly is is a great idea is they want developers to Completely cut out any direct calls for purchasing in any title that is designed to appeal to children Because children don't know better and it's mommy and daddy's credit card that is going to suffer Just like the guy that leaked the m8 probably doesn't realize the ramifications might possibly know it's not the right thing But doesn't realize how bad it could possibly be Yeah, it's like when your parents tell you not to do something like um, I don't know uh pour out the mustard bottle onto the floor of the kitchen or whatever you're like, you know, mommy and daddy said no, but I really want to See you do it because kids don't think that far ahead. Yeah. All right. Speaking of thinking far ahead. Holy freaking crap This my friends Is one of the most forward-looking gaming concepts? That you know what? We're not really going to watch the video because quite frankly their kickstarter video ain't that great But these guys there that's basically the point skirmos open-source laser tag only Begins to describe the potential of this idea. I posted it on facebook. I'm not backing the campaign Um, even though I love the concept and the hardware actually looks like it's in a state where it's pretty usable Um, i'm not backing the campaign because I don't think these guys are realistic I don't think they understand how little money 60 000 is yeah for me running a business with now five employees Employee search 2014 is sort of over Sort of um for me running a business with five employees. I will burn through 60 000 dollars like that Amazingly quickly whether it's gear or payroll or now we have employee benefits Like all these kinds of things cost so much money and they just haven't given any thought to it at the bottom where they say the risks or whatever Um, their risks are they know that they don't know anything about mass production of something And they're like they're students probably really smart guys, but it is a completely different world to use an arduino strap it to a gun um put like uh, you know, uh an infrared emitter on it and some sensors And is in a completely different world to mass produce it and develop relations with a factory and like what happens when you start getting Rma's and blah blah blah blah So i'm not backing this but what I really hope happens is these guys get acquired And a company that actually knows what they're doing someone like mattel. Yeah is like yeah, we're gonna build this because For a hundred and whatever dollars they are saying they will get you 115 bucks They are getting you a solution that should be better than laser tag better than airsoft and in my mind Uh, okay, probably not better than paintball but better than the other two here. Do you want to you haven't talked much today Better than paintball in the way that it's you're not going to get covered in crap Because of the pain, but that's what is so great about paintball. I know but it's easier to like pain No, I know but you could grab one of these in your house Oh wait run to your neighbor's house and be like let's play now force feedback suits Could turn this because to me the thrill of paintball is the fact that it hurts to get hit Yeah, that it sucks to get hit. Yeah, that's what makes people That's one of the reasons why I don't wear tons of extra padding That's why laser tag is dumb and like I like laser tag, but it's dumb because you just run around I got hit he he he okay 15 second cooldown He he he he so so it's there's no there's no risk whereas this has so much potential Okay, sorry. Sorry. Tell them what it is. Tell them what it is. Okay So as he already described it's it's a gun with an arduino controller connected to it with an lcd panel There's a bunch of different things that you can you can custom program scenarios essentially So you can have king of the hill you can have capture the flag and have all this kind of stuff because it's a custom programmable thing It's going to get real awkward. I'm assuming And things that are cool is you can have stuff like kill streaks built in So if you get three kills if your gun registers that you just got three kills It could say go into stealth mode by turning off the leds if you guys saw On the picture that he had on his screen the guns are lit up If you if you got a kill streak that put you into stealth mode or whatever turning off your leds could actually help a lot Or doing something else like uh, one of the stretch goals. I believe is having the ability to have an air strike essentially Yeah, there you go So I see all these leds in the back and along kind of the rifling of the barrel But that could they could expand this and stuff like that, but all the leds could turn off Which you could load like game maps in yeah, and it could like wipe out any enemy units in a given area In a quadrant or however, it works. Whatever. Um Which is just so cool and then because it's an arduino controller you can add on so much stuff So you could have it where like maybe the headquarters for one of the buildings Is done through nfc tags that are in the gun So everyone that's on a certain color team can just like tap the butt of their gun on the door and then they can get in Yeah, like different different stuff like that. It's really cool because it's an open system so you can do whatever you want to it Um, I mean for me, it's not necessarily about this. I mean, this is cool I mean, they've got the gun as the sensor so you fire at other people's guns in order to register a hit Um, they've got a display built onto it so you can use that for an ammo readout or or any other pertinent information um all kinds of cool stuff, but really The excitement to me is augmented reality gaming with something like this And something you brought up. Sorry with with with the force feedback suit Oh, i'm okay with you interrupting me to tell me about the greatness of things that I said before i'm adding to it But there's the there's the force feedback suit, which is awesome because it adds the idea of paintball Why you don't want to just jump around hilariously because you don't care if you die Um, because it might hurt but you could also actually probably integrate that with the gun Okay, so tell me this the force feedback suit it could count as a death if oculus costs 300 Yep, and this gun costs 100 And your next phone upgrade includes, um Bloody hell. What's it called again? Project uh tango tango includes project tango so you could literally map out areas You can use it on your face and you can have it actively map things. Yes Okay, so you've got project tango your force feedback suit. Let's say something that you know has um, You know like vibration motors or something in it and you wear it all over your body Let's say that costs a few hundred bucks. So we've spent seven hundred dollars now Plus, uh, what else do we need? It has to have sensors for the light guns. You've got your display You've got your gun some sort of a battery and compute pack. Yeah, so some kind of compute Let's say the whole thing costs a thousand dollars. How quickly do you drop your money on that? I couldn't right now, but I would immediately start saving Yeah, me too. Like there's Immediately, I mean the gameplay Of this so you you go around with your phone and you like map a building, right? And like you could map most of it And then if you start going out of the confines of the area if you had your phone on you somehow it could just start Mapping. Yes, obviously wouldn't be as high quality But or it could tell you or it could pop up like a great thing on your screen Warning enter exiting the combat zone or whatever, right? You die in five seconds you die in five seconds and they go back to the combat zone The whole suit starts going crazy, right? Or like you could I mean you could create like uh, like like like obstacles or something like you could have it. Um You could I don't even I don't even know like the kinds of Uh, so okay. So anyway, you go around like let's say basic example Everyone who's playing so you get like 40 dudes together or whatever or or ladies, whatever Um goes and walks around like a forested area or something with their phones like mapping it out. Okay, then everyone loads the map wirelessly onto their onto their controllers onto their guns and and then that Feeds a display into your oculus that then builds an augmented reality version with the camera on the front it can augment the camera on the front with like uh with like checkpoints with like um, You know health bars with like heads up display crap and menus and stuff like that Use your gun to navigate it and everyone like runs around in the forest Obviously latencies will have to be much better and the technology is gonna have to get to improve but holy crap. What an Amazing gaming experience. I mean my son by the time he's like a teenager and is into gaming Is gonna think the concept of sitting with a keyboard and mouse is ridiculous. Well, there's there was a big talk recently Um on vr and on oculus and stuff where hardcore gamers right now are potentially gonna suck Compared to casuals really soon Interesting because if you fully integrate everything So that it no longer feels like you're using traditional computer interfaces like a keyboard and mouse Yeah to play a game and you're playing with your body A pro soccer player will all of a sudden be a much better way better at soccer than some couch potato awesome at fifa Yeah, right, which is really really interesting idea And then when the game developer money goes towards these Uh, these well, I don't know casual but not casual when all the game developer goes there and those become triple a All of a sudden it's going to become more niche to be a traditional gamer and you're gonna be able to play A traditional gamer and you're gonna be the casual Well, then there will also be things like like imagine playing ender's game as ender You're not necessarily using your physical ability, but it'll feel much more like you're actually in a situation I'm still making my son play mario as his first game though super mario world Like you know what you are going to be okay at 2d platformers Or you are not moving on to bigger and better things Um All right, so here's the stupidest thing i've seen in a while Uh, I had I had multiple requests to put this in here. This happens every once in a while. Yeah, so I love this 5 000 views 657 dislikes 50 likes uh, this was on the gadget show and basically, you know what? Are you guys getting are you guys getting audio from this because for some reason? I don't know why they're not getting audio from this, but it's kind of important basically Oh, yeah, it seems to be working No, no, okay. Well, they're not okay. Well, whatever. Okay. So the point is Uh, it's stupid Okay, so what's the point of this? I don't know why they're not getting audio from this. It's kind of weird. I mean it's kind of weird No, they're not. Okay. Well, whatever. Okay. So the point is uh, it's stupid So they say the death of the desktop pc is is already here because of a couple things and like some of the oh Man, you guys should just watch the video just to be to be entertained. Uh, so the stats they bring up are this so by 1986 laptops only represented 2 of the computing computing market. Whereas now they're everywhere in 2004 We got good wireless connectivity with wi-fi and 3g meaning you didn't have to be plugged into a wall to get online Proper mobile computing was born and in 2010 tablets came that drove desktop sales down even more now This is where within their own stupid video Three minutes and 59 seconds in they give an example Of why the desktop no longer matters So he's holding this tablet and he's like this is a professional photographer and this is the tablet that he uses instead of a desktop To preview the phone shoot i'm not screen sharing right now to preview the photos that he's taking Uh while on a shoot so here's the here's the photographer. Yeah, there you go. Blah blah blah So this replaced his desktop No, it didn't What that replaced is the tiny screen on the back of the camera you idiot And I don't often call someone an idiot, but it didn't replace his desk. Yeah. Yeah. Okay I'm gonna run my photoshop on this tablet because that's part. No it isn't He's saying he's saying that he could have potentially dragged a computer there to show the photos Who would do that? I don't know because I I know I know a photographer from the uk good friend of mine known for a really long time That does the tablet thing. Okay, also a crazy pc freak has tons of them And you could do it with a laptop sure and that's practical And a tablet maybe replaced a laptop in this situation, but it sure did not Replace a proper computer that you're gonna sit down at and get real work done at when i've gone to wedding shoots before Tablets became a really big thing. It was like yeah, I got a bunch of really good photos I'll send them to you later The tablet has not replaced the desktop in any way and it's absurd to think that it has I mean think about the way people use tablets I could be using a tablet for this right now and I actually could that would be just fine It didn't replace my desktop. I wasn't gonna have a desktop here Oh, okay I have a desktop here But I wasn't gonna have a desktop in my lap and we're not about to replace that with a tablet No, that's not gonna happen not going to happen Uh the way that i'll sit on it on my couch And browse my tablet or watch a movie on the tablet while my wife watches something that that entertains her on the tv I didn't replace a desktop The fact that desktop sales are going down is a reflection of the decrease in Um improving power of desktops. It's not a mark of desktops Not being necessary anymore so basically gadget show If you guys are watching just don't That's all I have to say. Oh, yeah, they had some other Like stupid things. This is everything that they said in that video has been refuted 10 billion times It's not even that important. It's fun to throw them under the bus. Yeah, but it is like who cares They're like desktops no longer have more storage due to one terabyte usb drives And I mean, you know what? Wait, i'm gonna leave the the fact that the one terabyte usb drive from kingston costs a thousand dollars I'm gonna leave that out. It almost doesn't even matter because that being insane flash storage will continue To become more and more economical and that's fine. And i'm gonna leave out their argument that 4g connectivity Is faster than your landline internet connection I'm gonna leave out that argument as being stupid because I think that both of those things are the future future much much larger storage being being possible with flash and the fact that you're gonna have a super fast Super cheap connection via 4g or 5g or 6g or whatever. That is the future But that doesn't mean we don't need a desktop still. Yep until those connections. Sorry. I'm like nose is itchy gotta you know That's awkward. Anyway, um That doesn't mean that we're not going to need those because until the latencies are so much lower for these connections Such that my desktop which i'm still gonna need can utilize them and like do you really trust your flash drive storage? No, of course not. They use much much lower grade chips that are much much more prone to failure than something like an ssd or hard drive Like put put an ssd in your laptop Um, just don't buy a terabyte flash drive to replace that like maybe you buy a terabyte flash drive for something But don't do it as like storage replacement entirely permanently for your laptop because that's nuts speaking of cloud storage and uh Jay's two cents and uh Barnacles are like hey, I heard you mentioned us on the show. Thanks buddy. We love lmg It's like yeah, but what they didn't realize is that I was you know mentioning how much I hate them And I think that they should join dollar shave club because their facial hair is ugly No, and they need one wipe charlie so they can clean their butts better Dem sponsor integrations, yo Wow All right. Anyway, samsung promises and really like this was posted by misanthrope on the forum samsung promises And I really like promises more like threatens promises Threatens promises five hundred dollars worth of various subscriptions on the upcoming galaxy Five or s5 rather Um Really guys original article here is from tech spot and so happy because I thought you cared I was like, oh this is gonna suck I am i'm like That is basically like firefox promising to give me 50 dollars worth of like value add toolbars At the top of my browser Like some of the stuff included like what are they what are they including? Uh one year subscription to bloomberg business week. Okay, that's okay for some people i'm okay with that a mass majority people won't care One year sub to lark What the hell is lark? I was just gonna say I don't know what lark is Six months subscription to wall street journal again like bloomberg business week and wall street journal Like i'm getting my news from elsewhere now guys. Sorry Um three month premium linkedin account, which like that's too short to really matter It's a too short to matter and b Completely irrelevant unless you're looking for a job I mean, I don't know anyone who actually like hangs out on linkedin like i've got a linkedin account But like that's for when this whole thing goes up in flames and I need to look for a real job um, and like three months of a subscription is basically Like that's it's a trial. Yeah, that's that's that's a that's a free trial That's not a like we're giving you this as money. That's that's like me saying every t-shirt you buy in our merch store Every t-shirt you buy in our merch store comes with like three months of uh of free, um, you know norton antivirus That's locking you in yeah, or like comes with especially the one terabyte storage Okay, we haven't gotten to that yet. Yeah, or that's like me saying that uh, you know It gets you two weeks of free square space or you know Hotspot shield or whatever like all of our sponsors like that's the kind of thing That I gotta imagine linkedin is paying samsung to include because they're just giving out free trials And like that's not even the worst one The one that really makes me mad is the one terabyte of storage from bitcase first of all bitcase In case whatever like i'd rather have the two-year 50 gig drop box that they used to do even though it's much less storage I relatively speaking trust drop box. It's already a part of my workflow Like i've got it installed everywhere and three months of storage So what i'm going to put one terabyte of storage in there and then you're going to wipe it after three months when I don't Want to pay you for it? Ridiculous not gonna happen samsung. What are you doing? It's just it's adware or whatever you that's that's bloatware bloatware. Yeah, and Funny thing about that is okay because korea banned non-removable bloatware Is this like the new bloatware and maybe it's removable, but that doesn't make it not obnoxious. No exactly All right. We are actually like we've already run overtime on the show here So I think we're just going to do a couple more things here windows 9 is expected to push people off windows xp sources rumored release dates indicate fall 2014 or spring 2015 and It will apparently continue the trend that microsoft has been moving towards with windows 8 windows 8.1 windows 8.1 Revised which is coming soon of taking the modern ui and the classic desktop ui and making them work better together I'm hoping it just keeps the trend going tick tock tick tock tick tock Hopefully windows 9 is awesome because like dude vista was terrible windows 7 was awesome xp was awesome That's still wasn't terrible. This is i'm tired of having this conversation the only person that liked it on the entire planet Okay Vista loyalists represent guys. You're the only one Whatever. Um ocz launches the new z drive. This was posted on the forum by 4960x It's pci express. It's available in capacities up to 3.2 terabytes, but that'll cost you a cool 6500 Dollars and I actually want to hear from you guys We'll do one more maybe we'll do one more twitter blitz before the end of the show. Would you buy an ocz ssd? Or no, let's do a straw poll straw poll straw poll create one So the question will be would you buy an ocz ssd before the tishiba acquisition? And then would you buy an ocz ssd after the acquisition? So I think it's yes before no before yes after no after And then allow multiple choices so that they can vote for before and for after because I want to see how perception has shifted Now that they're going to be using tishiba nand, which is by all accounts pretty darn good Okay twitch tv now allows streaming for mobile platforms so you can Um play mobile games stream them on twitch tv It's got support for your front camera so people can see your mug playing your mobile games Although I think there are going to be some challenges here like especially games where the controls are done Like this that that front camera is going to move around a fair bit Either way, I think it's cool. I wouldn't mind seeing justin tv or you know Twitch's parent some other streaming surface integrate support for the rear camera because that'd be a really neat way to to stream events or whatever else Uh, what's up? Yeah, I don't know what to say about that. Anyway posted and it just gets destroyed by worship the almighty helix anyway, um So I think that's really cool That's all I really have to say about that del is charging 16 great britain pounds to install firefox on pcs in the uk mozilla's like Yo, that's uh Against our terms of service. Yeah for some open software It's okay because it's seen as like a servicing thing but not for firefox now get this Um del is saying the charge is to cover the time and labor involved, but I know for a fact that del images their machines so Also the the cost that that labor would be is insane Yeah It's like it's uh works out to like a hundred dollars an hour assuming that you were paying 10 bucks Or assuming it takes 10 minutes to install firefox, which it doesn't not to mention that installing anything where You to install anything you are supposed to be the person to accept the end user license agreement whether you read it or not For someone else to install something for you is technically not allowed In any situation that's interesting if it has an end user license agreement Because someone else agreed to it for you then shipped a computer to you that has it on it That's really interesting. I've been talking about well This is something that I used to deal with working at ncix right like that's why we couldn't install really cool Pre-install cool stuff for people I wonder how like the geeks one services thing works because we could put install shortcuts on the desktop and we could say hey Here's some cool stuff you might like But we couldn't actually install it for people. It's just interesting because of the geeks one services Which is probably a much bigger thing than ncx Um where they can install software for you and like whatever the heck you want But you probably have to sign a form. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah you do Interesting. So you guys didn't have a signed form on messaging. So folding at home speaking of folding at home. Shout out to whaler Uh, because our folding at home team is awesome Number 49 in the world right now and when you consider that it just started like a year ago And some of these teams are really old like that's beast mode Yeah, folding at home has added a new way to fold all you have to do is navigate to the url Which is here we go Chrome dot folding dot stanford dot edu slash nacl so salt I wonder why they made it nacl anyway slash nacl And in chrome your computer will start folding It has multiple modes so you can use the light mode if you're on a laptop and you don't want it to overheat or you know If you you want your computer to stay 100 responsive. It only supports cpu folding at this point You still need the full client for gpu folding, but isn't that cool? You can just leave a tab open in chrome and you can support protein folding research and uh Yeah, and like if you set it up so that that tab automatically opens when you open up the browser, which is possible Then anytime your browser is open you are supporting, you know Potentially cancer research or any number of other different important things Um linus the linus team is two two three five one eight by the way So you go through a quick configuration process that has you go ahead and select your team and uh And you can contribute to that team But honestly, it's not about contributing to our team because it's just an epin measuring content We have a pretty big one. We we got a pretty big epin already. We don't need more epin It is more about using extra computing cycles to do something Uh really useful with them Do you want to go ahead and find a topic that you don't need a visual aid for because my battery just died Yeah, I saw that um, another thing that I do worry about is with this like computing kind of situation We've seen stuff like this happen before is if someone gets it rigged up so that a big site has you coin mining while you're on that website Oh, that's something I didn't even think of yeah Because this type of application it only uses your cpu Not your gpu for the folding thing. Um, but like hijacking people's computers is bad Yeah, so hopefully this type of thing doesn't get used more maliciously I've seen this type of stuff before usually gets shut down really quickly though Um Moving on Reddit is now donating 10% of their ad revenue, which is not huge as far as I know Um, like in terms of supporting reddit as a whole so they're actually taking a lot of the money that is keeping them alive Away, which is interesting because as far as i've seen in the past, they're like not profiting Yeah, and that's 10% of revenue not profit. So yeah, so that's cool Pretty crazy that they're doing that apparently they're going to have an election Although reddit is reserving the right to take the power away from the users if things get out of hand because it's the internet Because they're redditors And they're redditors so that's probably really smart that they did that Uh funds will be awarded to the top 10 of um elected non-profits, which is really interesting And that's just that's really cool, but I do kind of worry because reddit's already bleeding money as far as I know But hey If they're surviving, that's cool curing coffee a coffee company. Uh props to the op tyler matthew on linus tech tips forum Will use drm in their new coffee maker to lock out the refill market I think that's pretty self-explanatory, but I really I mean, we've seen this in printers. It's in everything. That's why i'm not that surprised Yeah, we've seen this in um, I mean in the pro photography and pro videography and cinematography markets We see this all the time like canon with their xa10 upgrade camera The xa20 actually not only forces you to use canon canon batteries But even though the slot is the same and the power output is the same They force you to use specifically xa20 batteries and not xa10 batteries like just ridiculous stuff like that. Um And like like I said 3d printers normal printers that canon thing you just talked about like this happens so much I'm not happy about it, but So with unlicensed pods The curi c.o confirms that the new coffee maker won't work Unless you put their license pod in This is really cool. This is from uh, this is from yale.edu Rewritable paper and ink. Okay. We're still a long way away from this mattering to someone like me Yeah, where I write things on paper so that I can like dig them up later But this is really cool So this new rewriteable paper can be reused dozens of times so you can actually see the uh, the document there so that's There you go. Um, so it can be reused dozens of times and simply works with water So you'd have a water pen you write it down And then in the time that it takes the water to dry typically around 22 hours, obviously less in hot environments It'll be visible and you can write it down And then in the hot environments, it'll be visible and you can read stuff on it. And so the justification for this is that they figure 90 percent of business information is Oh, okay The scientists note that while 90 percent of business information is retained on paper most printed documents are read only once before being discarded So if the idea was to print out notes for a presentation in a meeting and hand a copy to everyone A reusable paper system like this could be invaluable Uh, one really cool thing that even just myself I could use it for is whenever we go to a show I like taking show notes. Yeah I I always take show notes the second I show up to a booth. I start taking notes in a little thing I don't really need those notes immediately afterwards. We have another thing that tablets don't replace computers for Keyboards. Yeah, like I can't I can't sit there on a tablet and be like, uh Uh, yeah, i'm keeping up with what you're saying Uh, like this is not gonna work and then people have said like yeah use the the pen thing. I hate writing on screens It's terrible. My handwriting is bad enough already. Don't make me write on a screen whenever I have to like sign someone's Digital signature thing i'm just like yep, that doesn't look Anything like my signature at all, especially because they don't work right half the time Yeah, and it's like doesn't write in that one part or whatever It's like if you ever have to verify this is me you just failed because it doesn't look like my signature in the slightest But whatever, um I don't know. So I I think it's actually really cool and I could even use it So if it becomes very easy to acquire like I see myself using this stuff because if you even had like a few pages Whatever, that's all you really need. It's gonna fade away and just use it again later Anyways, so if I had say like a moleskin notebook of this paper, that would be awesome. That'd be great Uh, I was wrong twitch plays pokemon one So there you go Told you yeah told me they're starting a new one now. Wait, did we talk about that last week? I don't remember Uh, what else we got gayben's ama you checked it out. I actually didn't read it. Yeah, there wasn't a ton of like New information how unsurprising? Yeah. Yeah, someone tricked him into saying that half life three was coming Um, they edited their post They like they they said they asked a question and his answer was yes and they edited it is half like three coming Um, so that was kind of funny But like he didn't really comment on it and then the comment just got deleted by I think one of the moderators anyways So it was just like out whatever. Um Someone asked him if on purpose he started it on the third day of the third month with three hours three and a half hours of notice Uh, and he answered n o period which is hilarious Hilarious because three characters That all the comments under it were like he knows exactly what he's doing That was awesome, um, he did comment on vr stuff Um, and I know that's all I really talk about these days, but yeah And it was kind of interesting. It's really long though So be sure to check it out You can find the vr thing more easily if you just go to the oculus subreddit because it is a linked post there I recommend you just do that because it'll be a lot easier to find is that ama is actually pretty long A lot of his answers and it was him and his team Uh, or a small team. So a lot of his answers are like Yes, maybe no Like answering three questions that the person Asked and then just moving on right so it was it was rapid fire which was actually good In my opinion because you don't really need him to elaborate on a lot of different things. Yeah Uh, verizon wants to charge gamers and streamers more for their internet service. We're really running out of time So I don't think we're gonna be able to talk about this nearly as much as i'd want to But don't worry guys, you can always tune into the tech for the weekly hate on verizon from logan um so He covers it much better than I Have the time or gumption to to do but the point is that they've been quoted saying okay Blah blah blah blah when it comes to downloading games and streaming movies online is easy to do Streaming movies online is easy to surpass 15 gigs worth of data in a day and according to verizon's chief executive people that use more bandwidth Downloading game streaming movies or playing online games should pay more to play It is only natural that the heavy users help contribute to the investment to keep the web healthy Mcadam said during a conference call discussing net neutrality That is the most important concept of net neutrality Maybe they should remember that they got that huge investment money to you know, like improve the internet a long time ago and then never did it Okay now i'm gonna do something here that you're probably not gonna like I know and i'm gonna say That's why I asked before like is it time to fight? I have no problem with pay-per-use I have no problem with services that cost more for heavier users Okay, if I drive more I buy more gas Okay, if I drive more I buy more gas Yep, okay If there is a finite amount of something if there is a limit to it There's not of this hold on if if there is a finite amount of something and there's a limit to it And I mean there are limits There are not in the way they're talking about it But yes there are there are limits to how much internet traffic could conceive if every single person Fired up breaking bad on netflix at exactly the same time We'd have a problem and they won't and they won't but if they did Where my issue starts Is when you don't subsidize the light users with the money you're taking from the heavy users if it was drastically cheaper Cheapier if it was drastically cheaper for the light users then it might make a little bit more expensive So icbc our our crown owned actually, are they private now? Can't remember. Anyway, icbc our monopolistic insurance provider here in british columbia Introduced some stiffer penalties for people who get tickets So you don't actually have to get in an accident But you can just be speeding and your insurance premiums will go up and they said This was to make the roads safer and more affordable for the safe drivers to which I said Where is my discount? You're taking more money from somebody and then eating it Presumably. Well, icbc is a giant piece of crap. Yes, so If verizon wants to do this if they want to say, okay We're gonna charge the heavier users in addition to charging guys like netflix just for the privilege of of being allowed to deliver their their movies to verizon users if Verizon is going to charge the heavy users more then I want to see free internet for websurfing and email That's my challenge to you verizon if you do that Rock on man If you truly make it it pay per use or not pay at all Per light user and you are actually genuinely trying to innovate and deliver a more connected experience to the world And you just need to figure out how to collect the money to make that happen and you're not being evil about it Then that's fine. But if you're just figuring out ways to charge more And you're not figuring out ways to give anything back then you can screw off Yeah, essentially so you're not gonna well it's it's Completely bullshit on more levels than that though because they're they're not necessarily going outside of terms All they're saying is yeah, if you if you use 15 gigs in a day, that's a lot Uh, whoever just put it in slow mode. Don't do that I've said that like 10 billion times Yeah, we don't really we don't really do the whole slow mode thing All right. I think I have one more thing to talk about before we do the announcement For the winners for the ltt 2014 update giveaways So those are coming. I have more to say on the verizon topic, but we don't have time. Do you you can go ahead? It's it's like 6 30 already Maybe you want to know what I want to add it to like uh the notes for next week We will discuss it some more because I think it's a it's a really good debate topic Even if it's not necessarily news next week. Yeah So razor has released a keyboard with what they're calling with what they're calling razor mechanical key switches now the internet Has exploded In a way that I actually didn't expect I knew that the keyboard dorks of the world two of which are sitting on this couch Would have a lot to say about something like this, but I didn't expect the enthusiast community in general To have as much of a problem with what razor's doing as they do So what's your take on the okay? So to be clear there we go there we go. That's exactly where we want to be That's what we want to look at this key switch See that oh it doesn't say cherry on it looks an awful lot like a cherry key switch the housing The mount on the top for the key cap the led positioning right there, but it says razor on it So what razor's done is they have stopped using cherry mx keys for their black widow ultimate line of keyboards They are not specifying who is manufacturing them But the internet already knows who it is it's kale And they are saying that they have done their own work with respect to R&Ding a switch that is better for gaming because of its higher actuation point and Faster reset once you let go of this of the of the switch once you let go of the key so that you are able to more quickly Activate it in a repetitive fashion They are allowed to do this because cherry's patent on the mx switches has run out at this time So other manufacturers while there were counterfeit switches before are now free without being slapped with a counterfeit lawsuit It's been open for a little while but now the counterfeit thing hasn't been a problem for a really long time I mean there were okay, okay There were counterfeit but keyboards not what people would say recently. Okay, so Anyway, this is the first major like brand name manufacturer to bring A keyboard manufacturer That is using switches manufactured by kale. Although razor says that in the chinese factory They have their own qc staff overseeing the production But they are the first major manufacturer to bring kale made switches to market I think that was pretty much all there was to say What do you what's your thoughts? Um, there's been people wondering if it's actually like actually going to fix the problem with blues Because they're not entirely sure about the movement because what some people wanted to actually see was a movement of the reset point Yeah, they didn't move the reset point. Yeah, um, and like there's a few other things going around which I guess we'll figure it out when People get more testing done. Yeah, we don't have time to like benchmark a keyboard Well edgles edgles got it at home right now. I think he's playing around with it. Has he ever noticed the problem with blues? I'm not sure I thought so I was talking to him about it. Okay. Yeah, i'll i'll check with him, but he's got it and he has uh black widow 2013 as well. Yeah. Yeah, so Okay, so go ahead Um other than that like one thing that people have to kind of get over is the like, oh my god It's made by kale. It's terrible thing Because kale doesn't necessarily make terrible switches Uh more than one person has done like a dissection Uh ripster more specifically you can look up his On kale switches and they're fairly well in tune with the cherry patent And if you're that well in tune with the cherry patent, it's probably going to be kind of fine Um now there's there's things you can question about Whereas like, uh, what's what's their manufacturing tolerances? Are they the same as charlie's manufacturing tolerance? They're saying they're better They're saying they're better, but we don't this is I don't have a thousand keyboards to exactly like, uh, there's a lot of Like we can't really prove this going on you know, I think the only thing and that's that's the thing is there's a lot of This bothers me because I feel like this or this doesn't bother me because I feel like this But I think the only objective thing that I can look at and say that i'm bothered by Is that I know for a fact kale switches are cheaper than cherries and the keyboard costs the same. Yeah And otherwise hasn't changed I mean, I think this was an opportunity for razor to make mccain's keyboard cheaper than the cherry's for razor to make mechanical keyboards more affordable for gamers and They someone else will just swoop in and do it Yeah, and someone else someone else already has I mean you can buy a tte sports Poseidon z for 80 bucks 70 70 bucks I think and that or is it 80 I think it's 80 and that is a blue backlit kale mechanical keyboard Reasonably well built. Yeah so There you go. The internet is up in arms guys. Do check out the video if you haven't had a chance yet Razor black widow ultimate 2014 is the name of the video. Obviously it's on linus tech tips channel Um where I cover some of the reasons that razor gave for switching to a chinese manufacturer and I cover some of the reasons that I'm aware linus media group gets paid for their opinions in quotation marks Opinions, I think someone's claiming we got paid off by razor for the video. I don't know we get It That's funny because I actually had corsair. I actually had both corsair and cooler master contact me about this video and uh Corsair, I really liked it And it's every single video we ever do they're like You got the money to make a video. Yeah, no No I don't know. Not so much. I'm excited to see what people think. Speaking of being paid off, One Wipe Charlies, butt wipes for men. I actually, I hadn't opened them yet. So the reason I opened them was I wanted to know. They smell kinda good. Peppermint infused. I wanted to know how big they were. Because if you're gonna tell me that I can get this done with one wipe. Oh. Okay, well they're thick. I'll give them that. So you might not get much leech through. What are we doing? I don't know about one wipe. Although the instructions do say that it's not, even though they're called One Wipe Charlies, you can't necessarily achieve the desired results with just one wipe. So use as many wipes as necessary to get the job done, but try not to flush more than a couple at a time. And dry off with TP. And then the lid is actually resealable. It uses a nice little adhesive here. I'm sorry, I'll stop now. You don't need to inspect the packaging on the One Wipe Charlies. I'm a professional unboxer. You were in a professional unboxer. And you know what, that's actually, it's funny. Okay, I paid off to make the Razer review. And it's funny because Min, their CEO, specifically took a shot at me for one of the things that I said in that video, which was that I think their packaging is deceptive to their customers. And I think that not- So it is. They're not labeling something 2013 or 2014 edition when you're putting Cherry MX switches and Chinese-made switches is, I think Razer's rationale here is that work you're seeing them, they're of the same quality. And I get that. But when you revise something, you tell your customers. You don't try to obscure that in my mind. So I- That's been the biggest problem with Kailh switches though. Right. Is that people are like, oh no, it's fine. We say Cherry Mechanical switches for everything else. And then here we're just saying mechanical switches. And I'm like, well, like just come on. Yeah. Like we're not saying they're worse. On the other hand, look at it from the manufacturer's perspective. So let's take Thermaltake, okay? So the Poseidon Z just says mechanical key switches. It doesn't say Cherry. Why would you say Kailh? You don't have to on your big branding. Well, why would you at all? But like if people ask questions, don't just hush up and hide in the corner. Oh, well, okay. They're not doing that. I know they're not. But it happens a lot. Right. And they kind of are actually by not- Thermaltake? No, no, no, no, Razer. Oh, no Razer didn't tell me they're being manufactured at Kailh. I had to dig around for that. Yeah. And I'm by saying they kind of are, I'm meaning by not changing branding at all. Yeah, okay. No, I was saying Thermaltake hasn't done that because they are, even though on the product page, you're not gonna find any reference to Kailh. But I think that's probably a good thing because you look at what happened with Cherry being the one who owns all the brand equity here. That's what people look at. They go on monoprice.com and they see Cherry MX Blue keyboard. It's not a particularly great keyboard. It's not real well-built. So the guys who are building really great keyboards like Ducky or like Cooler Master or whatever else- But part of the problem is that Kailh is making switches in the same, with the same differential. Okay, forget Kailh, hold on a second. So they're saying like it's a red. So there'll be like red mechanical switch and then everyone's looking for Cherry red mechanical switches. Okay, that is not great. That's like what everyone's doing. That's why this is a problem. Like they have to tell you and they're not most of them. Okay, but hold on a second. Okay, this is where I'm going with this. So the keyboard makers have let Cherry hold all the brand equity and have made the Cherry keyboard the desirable thing, even though Cherry's own keyboards aren't really that great. I screwed that up. Hold on. But the direction they're trying to go is they're trying to make the product standalone. And that's not a bad direction. No, but they're also hiding something. Do you have to tell everyone everything? Have it on the spec sheet. Does Logitech have to tell you what material this is, as long as it's like really good and it's really high quality and Logitech mice are great. But that's never been something that people purchase off of. Right, so. They have made it so that you're purchasing based off a Switch. And it's not like this, to be completely honest. This is not as important as a Switch. But everyone tries to do the same thing. You look at the way Dell wants to sell you Apple. Great example. And we know Apple's approach is terrible for this. What do you mean terrible for this? Not changing naming, so you have no idea what's going on. No, no, no, no, no, no, not changing naming. I'm talking about Apple taking the perception of the product and making it about the product, not about the components inside. Apple barely even mentions Intel. You can still look up a spec sheet. Sort of. They don't tell you who makes the motherboard. Well, yeah. And that's a very important part of a PC. They don't tell you who makes the power supply. It's a very important part of a PC. What they're doing is- But when there's like one component that really matters and that's the only one. That is not the only thing that matters about a keyboard. That's the main thing that matters about a keyboard. I would argue drivers can matter as much about a keyboard. So what are you gonna do with drivers? What are you gonna do with drivers? Drivers don't show up on a spec sheet. Well, features can. Yes, they can. And if you have a broken driver and the feature doesn't work, then that's terrible. But you can't be like, we have a broken driver on your spec sheet. You can say we use something different for your switch. Those are not applicable differences. I don't think we're gonna reach a conclusion here. I don't think we are either. And I think we should just draw our winners. Probably. All right. Okay, fine. All I'm trying to say is I see why they're doing that. They're making about the product, not about the components. They're hiding something. Okay, there's a difference between actively hiding something and I would argue that- Not showing it on your spec sheet. I would argue Razer's hiding something. And okay. There is a difference between hiding something and not saying something. But not when another thing comes in where the Apple customer is often different than the person who's looking for a high-end, very specific mechanical keyboard. Okay, and if they're looking for a very specific mechanical keyboard and the manufacturer makes the argument that regardless of who made the metal piece that goes in the back or who made the key switch or whatever else, we are delivering you the Uberly Hacksword keyboard 5,000 and you shouldn't care because we're doing a great job of either one of them and you won't be able to tell the difference, then does it matter anymore? So why? Because when you're shopping, okay, when you're shopping for a keyboard, let's go look. I know how people shop now. I'm saying how people will shop- Because those are the major, massive noticeable differences on keyboards. There are things on keyboards that are very important. But what if you don't want the major, massive noticeable difference on your keyboard? It doesn't matter what you want. Hold on, no, what if you- That's what makes the difference. Okay, wait, what if you don't want the major, massive noticeable difference on your keyboard to be about someone else's thing? What if you want the major, massive noticeable difference to be that this is the Uberly Hacksword 5,000 and it's better than the other ones? So make that all your branding and when someone dives through your webpage and goes to the spec sheet, it should still say what switch it is. Why? Apple doesn't say what motherboard's in it. No one gives a blank bleep. They don't say what SSD it is. These are phenomenally important things and people do care. And people tear them apart. Not nearly as much. And people tear them apart and they find out and you'll find it on ifixit.com and that all happens. And that'll happen with this too, it already did. So do that over generations. Well, you have to do it at some point. Do that over generations. Why? Slowly push it back. Right now, don't have it as your big marketing because right now it's your big marketing. Bring it down to in your first blurb, then maybe bring it down to the spec sheet eventually. Why? And then when you remove it from the spec sheet, everyone will murder you because you're an idiot. What? Why? Because you're looking at a completely different crowd of people. These are the people that want the spec sheet. I would argue that Razer caters to a more mainstream crowd. I still don't really know if that's true because they're massive major feeling differences. Okay. Do you like reds? Look at the comments. Do you like reds? No, I don't like reds. Do you like browns? No, I don't. So would you like to? Oh wait, yeah, I like browns. What do you think? Okay, yeah, sorry. So would you like to know which one it comes with? Yes. Would you notice a difference between a red and a brown more than two different brands of SSD? Yes. Right, but that's not how they want people to shop. But that's how you have to shop. It's such a noticeable difference. No it isn't. That's how you have to shop now. That's like saying, okay, BMW offers a car. Oh, it just showed up and it's a truck. No it isn't. But it doesn't matter because that's what you should like. It's like BMW saying, this is the X3. And the X3 comes with whatever delivers the horsepower we said it does and the torque we said it does with the fuel economy we said it does. But those are specs that they're telling you it does. Right. That's like a spec of what Switch it is. And Razer's saying, here's a key, you don't get it. Razer's saying, here's a key switch that actuates at this point, clicks in a tactile way, sounds like this and they're giving you the specs. It's harder to understand specs. That's not the manufacturer's problem. You're making it actually less mainstream then. Because you're saying Razer caters to the mainstream audience. Yeah, they're saying this is a gaming keyboard that has tactile feedback and clicks. That's all the mainstream audience will ever need to know. What does that mean if you haven't typed on one before? If you look online, people will be like, these are the different typing experiences of these colors. Now you can shop for whatever you want. Now it's a green, what the hell does that mean? There's already a green in existence. Now it'll be- If you see a Razer key switch, which is in green already, because it's a Razer key switch and that makes sense because it goes along with their branding. And then you go look up green mechanical key switches. You're gonna get Cherry switches, which cheap green mechanical Cherry switches are completely massively different. So now the way it'll work is, what's the typing experience like on the Black Widow Ultimate 2014? Which is really confusing. That's, okay, it might be confusing to you. Hopefully that changes- Because you're a keyboard dork. No, I'm not saying, it's not confusing to me though. I'm saying it's really confusing on the internet because there's gonna be a ton of flying around crazy information. There will be, but- Because people are gonna hate on it. You look at all the flying around information about Razer. You look at the comments on the video about how blah, blah, blah, I hate this. It's unreliable that- Tons of whatever, yeah. That doesn't stop Razer from being enormous. Yeah. So it doesn't matter. The internet can be all butthurt about this, but at the end of the day, Razer will change the way people shop for keyboards. Hopefully. Or I don't even think hopefully. I mean, I don't disagree with you that I wanna know what switches on a bloody keyboard. That's not the argument we're having. The argument we're having is that from the company's perspective, and it's a smart business move, people should shop for a keyboard, not for a switch. That's how they want people to shop. But then their main branding is a switch. Their main branding is a switch because they have to talk about it. They have no choice. They can't say, here's the keyboard, because that's how people shop for keyboards right now, based on the switch. So they were talking about this switch a lot. And they're talking about, I mean, really, their marketing is really about how similar it is to the last one they had, which everyone knows is a Cherry Annex Blue. Then they've screwed up some things very majorly, then. Okay, look at it this way. What about when they stopped using Omron switches on their mice? Do you even remember that? Yes. Okay, you do. Does the internet at large remember that? Okay, with this page, all I care about is that one. I don't care about this one. The green switch versus the orange switch. Because green switches exist. Okay, I agree with you that they should have used colors that don't exist. And I understand green is their branding. And I understand green is their branding, too. And I agree that it is going to create confusion, but I don't disagree with their move of making it about the product and not about the component level. Yeah, no, I get that. But they would have to do, that's why I don't care as much about the orange one. Right, because at least it's a different color that Cherry doesn't have. And if they used something that was different for this one, I wouldn't really care about that either. Because at least when someone goes to this keyboard, they're not gonna see green switch and expect this super crazy heavy, ridiculous switch that a lot of people don't like. Right. Because it's too heavy. But I mean, there was a limit to how many colors there are, too. I know. And Cherry already has. It has a lot of them. Black, red, blue, green, clear, red, gray, and light gray. And that's a problem. Yep, and that is. And a lot of them are out of service now and most people don't know they exist, but still. So I don't think you and I necessarily disagree as much as I initially thought we did. I don't agree with how they're doing it. They could do it, if they just do, because there's information on their switch. They tell you what it is, but it's extremely deceptive. Because when you're reading this, you're not going, oh, like there's standard mechanical switch actuation. Like what does that mean? Yep, but I mean, there's legal reasons that they can't say Cherry switch. I know, but then. And you know what? I think they probably would have liked to say that. Cherry switch? Yeah. I could see that. But legally, you can't do that. Yeah, because that's, eh, you're gonna have tons of problems. Like I get that, but then it's still really deceptive that it's green. Yeah, I don't like that it's green. Luckily, it's not blue. Yeah. Because holy crap, if it was blue, that would be brutal. But green is still popular enough that it's still a well-known switch. And if I came to this site, honestly, if I came to this site and it didn't say Razer's first mechanical switch, even if it did, honestly, I would just fully expect that they rebranded, that they paid Cherry to rebrand their switches. Right. Because that happens so much. Guys, this is the page we're looking at. Sorry, I should have shown you this ages ago. Because it just, they look like Cherry switches. Because they're basically Cherry switches. Wanna know something funny? This diagram of the key switch actually appears to be the exact diagram that the colors changed of a Cherry key switch. I just thought that was kind of amusing. Yeah, like if I wasn't looking super closely and I looked through this, I'm not gonna go, okay, bleh, bleh, bleh, I'm gonna go, oh, it's a green switch, and then move on. I would just assume that it was a Cherry green. Then in that case, wouldn't it be better if they called it a blue and they just called it a Razer, a Razer blue switch? No, because then I would think it's a, well, I don't think it would be as big of a deal. I wouldn't be as mad when it showed up because I wouldn't be able to notice a difference. But if I noticed it was different in the end, I would again just be like, well, that's really deceptive. So I think they, no, because Cherry has green ones. I was wondering if they said it was a blue switch, that they could have legal problems. But I don't think Cherry trademarked the idea of a blue switch. No, they didn't, and the other brands that are looking at using Kailh switches are planning to maintain the color scheme. Oh, God. So it'll be blue switch versus Cherry MX blue switch. Yeah. And I think there'll be some people, okay, but here, hold on a second. There'll be some people who are deceived. My browser froze. But I will make the argument that those people were gonna be the value shoppers who weren't gonna pay the extra 10 or 15 dollars anyway. At first, I would have probably been deceived over this. You think so? I wouldn't have looked at it long enough. Maybe I would have. But then in that case, are they doing the internet a favor by making such big fanfare out of the fact that now it's a Razer switch? Well, it's right, it's Razer. I know. Everything they do is gonna be a Razer fanfare. But then is that something that they've done to redeem themselves? It might help, to be completely honest. It's like, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, we're not using Cherry switches. At least they're saying that then. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Like it's, and that's gonna help a lot because at least that would maybe make, honestly, I wouldn't have looked at it that closely, but it maybe might have helped me look at it more closely. Cause you've looked into it now, and now you know. Well, I've looked into it now because you want me to help you with the video. Can you imagine if they'd done black, okay, Black Widow 2014, no packaging change with blue switches. Yeah, I already. But not calling them Cherry MX blue switches and making them Kales. I already said that would have been ridiculous. That would have been terrible. Luckily it's green, which is slightly less common. Yeah. But it's still a problem because a lot of people still know what greens are. We've done coverage on greens. It's not like Kalears or something else, which is even less, less common. It's still a, it's hard to get, but people do make keyboards with green switches in them. I wish they picked a different color. It's still deceptive calling it. Like it looks identical. And honestly, if you were untrained, maybe you didn't really know Cherry very well. If you saw this standard mechanical switch, what is telling you that that's a Cherry switch? Maybe you're thinking it's some other brand. In fact, I think that is a different brand. They use standard a little bit interchangeably. Yeah, which is causing another problem. Cherry MX, so guys, if you go to the comparison chart between Razer mechanical switches and standard mechanical switches, this actuation point is compared to Cherry with the manufacturing tolerances. This versus Reset is compared to Cherry. And this appears to be being compared to Topers because Cherry has a 50 million. Yeah, I didn't even notice that. Heat stroke lifespan on their MX series. So like they seem to be kind of, I don't know, using, oh, sorry, I'm not screen sharing anymore. They seem to be kind of using the numbers that are convenient here a little bit. I'm not super pleased with that, but there you go. All right, I think people have been sitting here listening to us argue, not because they want to, but because they want to know who won the big giveaway. So there's one of the draws that unfortunately we couldn't really do live because of the phenomenally tedious nature of determining the winner of the person who posted the comment for the Crate computer. Like, oh man. So what we had to do was we had to figure out how many comments per page, and because YouTube no longer allows us to just key in a page number to go to a page of comments, we actually had to click show more to get to the right page. So we had to determine how many per page, how many comments there were, then we had to key the number of pages into random.org, click it that many times to get to that page, and then do another random.org entry between them to find the winning entry. And you guys wonder, like I had people messaging me on the 28th. What was it, wasn't done yet? Have you noticed the winner yet? I'm like, no, no, no, I have not. Thank you for asking. In fact, the fact that we got this done so quickly is sort of magical. All right, so- It took me all morning. How do we get this done so quickly? It's working all freaking day. I had this media group where you click show more in the browser, and that's your actual job. Listen to crazy dance tech now and just dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk. Cause I of course didn't get page one, cause that would have been way too easy. Yeah, wouldn't that have been awesome? All right. Here it is guys. No, is there a thing over the- Yeah. So I don't know how you pronounce it. I don't know how to pronounce the name. But here we go, you guys ready? Announcing the winner. There you go. That is the winning comment. Lucas, and I'm not even going to try it, the last name. Is it Mool? Mool, maybe. I'm going to go with Mool. We can make fun of his name all we want cause we're giving him a computer. $3,000, $3,000 isn't it? $3,000 computer? Yeah, yeah, $3,000 computer. So Lucas is, or 2,500? I don't know. It's a lot. Three grand, three grand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You are the winner. Congratulations. I will need you to, you know, oh my goodness. Did you save where the comment is? Is it off on your screen still? Did you message him? I have his account open. Oh good. Yeah. Okay. We're cool. I also emailed you his account. Okay, we will send you a message through YouTube because that's the only real way we can contact people who enter contests on YouTube. Yeah, that's a good point. Okay. So please check your YouTube messages. So with that out of the way, remember there were two additional branches of this contest. The influencer parts. So we got 184 entries for the influencer contest. So one of them is if you have more than 10,000 followers on a given platform, then you can post about our giveaway and you will be entered for a chance to win a Sony Ultrabook. Then if you got someone who has more than 10,000 followers to post about it and they credit you, you were entered in a draw for a GTX Titan. So which one should we draw first? One thing to address in the Twitch comments, my full name is not Lucas. You can even ask this guy, I get pissed when he calls me Lucas. My full name is Luke. I am not Lucas Mool. It's not a thing. Yeah. And guys, if we were gonna fake it, do you think we'd come up with a name that's like- That we can't pronounce. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. It should have been like my name backwards. So it's just like, Sunnelwind. From the far away land of, what is Twitch backwards? Bless you. All right. So someone says unsubscribe and unfollow. Yeah, it's always like that. All right. So I got random.org. Oh, I just closed random.org. Come on. Phil. So random.org going here. And we are going to pick, which one should we do first? One to 184. Titan? Titan? You wanna do the Titan first? All right. So let's do the Titan first. Generate. Nine. So one of the first people- Yeah, you're screen sharing that. Yeah, I'm screen sharing, guys. So nine is the viewer, Denzian2. Denzian2, Denzian2 had it shared by Twisted Duck Games in a YouTube video. That was the first YouTube video created with a call out for the contest. Cool. So congratulations, Denzian. All right. Now we're doing our second draw. This is for the ultra book for an influencer. Right, right. 64. All right. Here we go. Nintendo 64. All right. Here we go, here we go, here we go. Line 64. Ba-da-ba-ba-da-ba-da-ba-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Oh boy. Oh man. Teofal Shun-D. Teofal Shun-D? Has 1100 followers on, oops, on Facebook and posted sharing our giveaway and is the lucky winner of the ultra book. So congratulations to everyone who won. Congratulations to everyone who shared. We had some pro basketball player share it. We had the actor who played Napoleon Dynamite share it. It was amazing. How many people shared this giveaway? It was actually fantastic. Chris Perillo shared it. He was actually the only other YouTuber who shared it on a platform that counted. No. Yes. Barnacles and Jays2Sense. The only other tech YouTuber. Oh, yeah, the only other YouTuber that I know. Everyone else I know. Lou from Unbox. Noel. There was other YouTubers that we know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so the guys that I know in person. Yeah, there we go. Are you happy now? Yeah. So the guys that I know in person, none of them shared it because I think they were mad at me because everyone and their dog was messaging them constantly asking them to share this thing. So I think, oh, who was it? People were messaging me. Someone favorited the person's tweet or something. And I was like, yeah, you're gonna have to tell them that he's gonna have to retweet it. And then they just didn't. So I think they were like super butt hurt at me for running the contest that way. So I think next time what we would do is we'd like the guys that I know really well and I know everyone's gonna go after like Lou and Marcus and stuff like that. I was just like, look, these guys don't count. Like go find someone new. And the people that got creative about it and like found pro gamers to do it or whatever else, they got entries and had a chance to win. So congratulations to the winners again. And I think we're done with the show everyone. That was a really long show. Holy crap. Thanks for watching everyone.