 uh... uh... well there's no show we are uh... we're trying something new it's exciting it is so twenty four weekend of ever fifth i am dear bone on dan seaford and i'm chris digler and here we are on uh... hangout and it's yeah we're chillin we are we heard your complaints uh... and your we we heard your love for that he can place as cc buffering for some people yeah we figured we would give you something else that to add to your complaint list but or live sure alive if we're not live whatever will be live eventually but uh... so yeah so we're trying to do thing and uh... it works well for us once before and hopefully it'll work well again and we are alive and so we're just gonna spend the next twenty minutes or so talk about the fact that we're using hangout instead i would like to say that uh... hangouts is making it much easier to interject interrupt whatever your train of thought was the year so so plus one for that and apparently i'm uh... fully in hd and no longer grainy and fuzzy which is amazing can i i can't before we start talking phones can i just make an important point uh... so kylee minogue has new elbow uh... and uh... as a sampling at a few minutes ago and i have to say it is not very good it's uh... it's called the abbey road sessions which first of all invoking the beatles when you're calling the note is probably not the best move but it is not i don't recommend we do you have you know spotify or arty or whatever i guess you know check it out i wouldn't buy it i would not spend a dime i think it does not get the chris segalers stamp approval apparently maybe concept album where it like it at the the album actually syncs up perfectly with the movie they can imagine watching fast and furious for listening to this kind of an adult with this you know i mean any abbey road covers are like any beatles covers at all of it i i don't know then i only made it to tracks and before i can take anymore uh... but i would like to suggest to you guys uh... you know plans not here so i guess we can get the full quorum but we should start every urge mobile show with an album review really yeah i just reviewed um... kylee minogue's abbey road sessions and next week it's it's one of your turns to uh... to review an album so so get ready at the fact that i'm trying out there uh... to tie with phones now i guess can i make a can make a visual joke it it's only a nine twenty well-gotten it's a really really making fun of me for uh... not being able to lift the limited twenty uh... i can't believe you still haven't sent that to me i asked you send that phone no no no no no no no no no no no no that is a lie i offer to send it to you and uh... you refused because you said you did not want the black version you only wanted the cyan version i would i would definitely prefer the time to corroborate either story that not chris uh... pooh pooh all over the black version because all you wanted to see was saying look i would definitely prefer the cyan version but getting trying the cyan version out of josh's hands is akin to uh... uh... lifting the entire world is it's not possible that i i don't have the strength or the mental power to do that so i think that uh... i mean maybe i can still get that black version from you and eventually theater yet no i can i can send it to you that's totally gonna happen yes i just negotiated a phone line on the air in exchange for nothing apparently at that i was feeling really down in the dumps after listening to that uh... highly minnowed crap but now i'm feeling much better about life you know you can see you can see it in your face and since your faces in such high deep high definition uh... on this uh... new google hangout uh... you know you really see a little brightened up your day getting that uh... that we mean i'm twenty is bright everything's brighter except the room that i'm in which is still there but now we can talk about uh... for real so what do you want to know i mean i i wrote uh... you know a bigger you in collaboration with josh and thomas and flat i think really a whole lot of people had input on this thing and uh... you know we get a score uh... it's uh... there's there's a lot i can say about it still uh... i think it's uh... i think it's the best with a phone device if i like it slightly better than the eight x despite how uh... heavy it is uh... and i do want to point out that just because it's heavy like that's that's not necessarily the worst thing ever i mean it's it's a big chunky phone uh... and it's like it feels really dense but i mean the thing i said about the overall designer is you kind of i don't know he's going to have an affinity for it you kind of start to feel like i don't know defensive of it in a certain way because you know that for no care because there's a legitimate reason to feel defensive about it now because it it's it's legitimately good hardware legitimately feels good in your hand uh... so you're feeling defensive about the design of the phone or the phone in general will both and i think that the the the uh... model i don't think that's the right word night it's like i've i've use a couple of inappropriate of course to uh... describe it but it's like you've got it back slightly embarrassing uncle uh... but you love and you know really well and like you can totally overlook the things that other people can't and so you might make fun of them every now and then yourself uh... but you don't really need a new you need a lovingly uh... but if anybody else makes fun of them you will beat them down and interesting it's kinda like what you tease your kid brother and then like you know someone else comes along in t's your kid brother and you you just you know are gonna stand up for that uh... the the the thing with the two nine twenty though is like i mean aside from the you know the weight issue that might be a problem for some users the hardware is is pretty fantastic right like it looks great and it it's the same design that we've seen on the uh... since the end nine and then the louis a hundred in the nine hundred and we've liked all of those designs so it's it's the same thing and it's got a much nicer display and i see i see me now uh... and then and you know much as to display and it's refined and and things like that so i mean there's i think little to complain about with the hardware itself yes so i mean the there's two reasons that it's a sensibly so thick one is the wireless charging into is the uh... the peer review camera which is not on springs and we have talked at length about it and um... so i need to address there's been a lot of uh... complaints about our use for and i want to address we gave the the camera and eight at the end of the day part of the reasons like it's incredible in low-light it's pretty amazing but it also doesn't matter to see on the screen or what you can i see is and not everybody takes photos in near darkness right you just most of time is taken photos and when you're just taking photos you can lead to know exactly what you're going to get exactly what it's going to do it takes i would say more effort then uh... i would like a camera phone so i just took a picture of this uh... yellow coffee cup and you know it it looks a little bit washed out relative to the actual color of you know coffee cup and you know it might be technically a little bit more true but it takes a little bit more effort to get it to feel like a great camp great photo and that that you know and i think that really other user on the web uh... and you're talking other people diverge and other people at the build conference which i went to last week with tom uh... you know that that opinion seems to be pretty universal that the camera has got some amazing technical things that it does but that doesn't necessarily make it an amazing camera for most people anyway it kind of feels like uh... like uh... you know high-end s l r where you know in in the wrong hands you could take some really terrible pictures with it but if you know what you're doing uh... you can do good things with it right now it's just gonna make the point that uh... we had discussed the camera quite a bit before publishing the review and uh... it seemed to be like if u are uh... really into photography and you want to keep your photos after the fact the the nine twenty produces a great base to start with but just to for most people uh... the photos that come out of it just straight out of the the camera on the phone and are being shared or whatever uh... are quite don't have that punch that you get from other smartphone cameras that really make them look impressive right away uh... well uh... what can i just say that that despite the fact that i don't intend to really use this phone uh... the price is such that it's difficult to justify not getting one i mean that that that they they twenty i mean both both on contract and off contract prices are extremely aggressive and and i suspect that nokia is selling because the off contract prices are aggressive i can only assume that no kids don't be state unity at or below cost uh... i mean four fifty for the nine twenty three fifty on the offer the eight twenty is out of control to put things in perspective that's only fifty dollars more then what he mobile charging for an on contract note to so-called you know well it's funny because if you look back to the nine hundred uh... is the same pricing scheme for the nine hundred i believe i think on contract it was a hundred bucks and then off contract is four fifty and at the time of the nine hundred came out uh... we could say that the nine hundred had kind of last year's specifications right had slower processor lower risk reading stuff like that but the nine twenties got a modern processor it's got a high risk free and it's still only four fifty off contract so i i mentioned this earlier today when the pricing actually came out i was like you know i i really wonder what nokia's margins are on this particular uh... with this pricing now what color would you guys get time i wanted site like as you guys know me he's signed and i was talking to tom warren earlier today that i'm a little disappointed that the sign and is matt knowing some really happy that i really do not like the glossy versions at all really look yeah i just i just think that they look kind of cheap uh... i much prefer the matter actually i think the science cool but i think the black fits of the aesthetic of the phone really well it's just like a and i don't know i had a black nine hundred and it was boring uh... and uh... you know it's like at the site is great and the site and it's like you know i really cool looking i really like that great that they showed off uh... at launch uh... which i haven't yet actually had chance to see in person so i'll reserve final judgment on that but that would really really sure anything he's not selling that one as far as i can tell they're selling black white red yellow and cyan yes on set i don't know why the greatest uh... omitted that might be your own leader something so yeah i'll probably end up getting the sign and but i'm gonna take a good hard look at uh... yellow and red as well uh... and you know that you know briefly put out that uh... uh... windows phone eight feels really close uh... the new kernel uh... you know they've got a whole new basis they're going to be able to get much better absent hopefully more quickly uh... and there's gonna be really talking a lot more about that uh... you know after the work that prompted all at this bill developers conference so estates in the verge for that you know i've got a few nails about a few complaints and still driven crazy by the lack of a notification center so the email doesn't write a lot to i'm okay with the email at the time to you know it's because it breaks the threads when i reply but i mean don't forget i mean i feel like as a gmail user and that you know we're all gmail users that were sort of holding it to a artificially high standard you know if you compare the email at the windows phone eight to the non gmail email app on say android or she compared to the email at the time i was you know it's been that it's it's way better than android it's maybe not quite is good for me as i was but it's really close and part of that might just be familiarity so i think you know is it's not great for gmail but i think that for you exchange users and people that part deep into the you know gmail way of thinking about email uh... it's totally possible there is one great thing about the uh... i i think i was just thinking about this this morning cuz i've kind of given in on i was and i'm just using the mail at now which is a really depressing thought you know me because i i thought the good fight for so many years and i've just finally turn of my hands that's great on that mail but so the one thing that would be really tough for me is the fact that windows phone doesn't support it took years but finally i was does the delete archive thing we can choose either one on a per email basis are you you press and hold on our time to bring up a menu can choose to lead stead uh... on windows phone you can't hack that on a per email basis by you know the default functionality is delete which you can configure through google's saying uh... and how how you want that they need to work and then you can override that to do an archive by moving the mail into your all mail folder with and the only thing that sucks about that is that it's three taps you know you actually don't have a better solution is stop deleting email and gmail why would you delete anything in june uh... although i don't know i get so many p r sent to my email box that i'm not i i i mean you are right i'm not going to allow that i'm not going to allow junk stick around uh... forever in my inbox well you know you get out of your inbox you are kind of it but it's still in my account i don't want it i want to permanently be gone you're a hoarder theater i'm gonna have to be on the television orders that's probably true i wonder what by a m by gmail archives up to much space i mean i love i love having my gmail account using all five gigs of virginia right now yes i love i love going back to like my personal gmail account and and i've got sixteen days of two thousand four as i've got sixteen sixteen days of of uh... email in my personal account that's insane sixteen that's right what's up uh... i'm using three point seven gig of my verge account so i'm definitely more efficient no at why i'm i'm harder with the delete button than you are but that way uh... so yeah i actually i do want to point out uh... one of the things we did uh... report already out of build at home into a session and so if you're Microsoft admitted that they were trying to get notification center some kind of centralize notification center into windows phone eight and they just ran out of time it blows my mind that Microsoft actually admitted that and like that was the reason that they gave it i mean this happens all the time uh... with software development you run out of time you're not able to add all the things that you want before your deadline that you need to ship but you don't say that publicly so it it it just is that you can't wait to get your job uh... it is just gone out there is that was a little weird uh... well we lost and and just quit though this is falling apart rapidly all right uh... uh... that's the plans hey this is our very first uh... hang out for the original will show were allowed a few flubs and allows us to take problems will get will get them back hopefully that's amazing windows will be a lot nicer with the case of the still have this feeling like you're a little bit not as like jacked and as i like to feel on a phone uh... because you there's not a single place you can go to see alerts unless you had all those live tiles to your home screen and remembering that you had a lot of tiles and you know if you miss a toast you know a little notification from the top of the boat was that i don't remember well my home screen somewhere i don't know that's exactly the thing i i i'm callous occasions while i was using the eight acts i would get uh... presumably attacks message but maybe something else and you know that they'll configure to make the same sound and then by the time i looked down the toast is gone i don't know where to go i don't know where to work uh... so it's a pretty big problem but i think yeah uh... well hopefully the fix it and actually hopefully they'll be able to fix it relatively quickly because around this new kernel uh... you know they they should be able to get stuff in there more quickly could write uh... so okay so i mean yes when i dropped you talked about the pricing which bonkers right i mean for fifty out contract for the nine twenties is out of control and hundred bucks on contract i mean uh... if you look at so it and a hundred dollars on contract that the nine twenties essentially going head to head about with the four s on a tnt uh... and that's you know i i i always think you know whenever nokia prices of fun really aggressively my instinct is that they bought it's a really great deal until i remember that there's a and i thought that that's a great point that becomes an entirely different ballgame and i'm not i'm definitely not saying that you that people should just universally get the four s instead of the nine twenty but you do need me to think long and hard about how important uh... ab selection and up-to-date apps argue in your phone selection process because i don't care what anyone says microsoft will will swear up and down just as they have since seven five that they don't have an app problem but they still do they still do i i can name uh... at the time i had at least five we talked about this last week i can about that i had at least five apps uh... that i like to use on a daily or at least weekly basis on my phone that are not available on windows phone right now and are significantly impacting my decision and whether to use a windows phone is my daily driver well i mean yet uh... i agree with all those points chris uh... but was just want to say with regards to pricing what's even more insane is how the eight x is priced on a tt because it's uh... one ninety nine for a d sixteen gig model and uh... that's like uh... kind of blowing my mind that it'd be priced at that point at that time i mean i think the both very very good phones uh... and if if like i said in the review if you're if you want to buy into the windows phone ecosystem uh... i don't think either one's going to do you wrong uh... i think i i slightly prefer the nine twenty but i think that's is great especially if you like ten phones uh... although i mean we'll have to see what it looks like in six months i mean uh... the the power of the still a huge hassle on the eight x yeah on the eight x yeah yeah yeah no they they'd acts is is uh... yeah i i i feel like it i feel like they could have made i feel like that the design team could have literally spent scott royal at a cc is probably never going to speak but but i feel like like his team literally could have spent another like week disney and tooling around with the design of this phone and they would have had like a a slam dunk uh... slash home run depending on which sports metaphor you prefer button instead it feels like they're it feels like the phone is eighty percent of the the way to where it needs to be uh... in all aspects of the hardware design and i mean that you know the soccer is an entirely different story uh... but just speaking about the hardware specifically it's it's you know that it's like the they started with the concept that is a very solid concept and a good concept particularly uh... for conveying what microsoft is the message that microsoft is trying to convey with windows phone in general which is the metro style u r and and you know they've talked about the fact that the hardware really mirrors that that's great uh... but that that the detail polls of that front of the eight x are just not all there and david and david piers our reviewer extraordinaire was just talking about this as well he is not in love with the eight x so finally i found my eight x only everyone else's is telling me that it's not fun but david and i are like this man he agrees with me is the other sort of windows phone related stuff that we should mention on this was since our last podcast right the wall street journal said that microsoft is testing a uh... microsoft bill surface phone with uh... asian suppliers already and we had heard they were considering making their windows phone but uh... our sources tell us uh... and this is a sam wrote that uh... it would be deployed as a a plan b so basically if the round of devices that are coming out now flop and everybody kind of as peace out microsoft then you know microsoft would have to go along and what's planned c that's what i think that is because it there is no guarantee at this point that and that the surface is going to be the smash it that microsoft well i mean at eyes are going to be a smash act the surface right now yet note that i was gonna say the surface i mean like it it feels like microsoft wants it to be a hit when you look at their their model for selling it it can't be by definition they're controlling the retail experience for a time and that device so they're kind of limiting how broadly uh... it can be can reach people in the first place with the phone that could be the case i hate people are complaining about hangouts look from from now i think you guys in my police that they don't like we say i think the next thing is we're going to just individually go to each of your homes and just talk to you face to face will fly out will just do it was there by the start of the week and uh... will just show up you know i can and after and give us a think think about all the miles of the chris you'll be uh... united uh... premier member whatever with no no problems at all or a guy who is going to be we use go to meeting no now i just want to say that we use go to meeting for like some internal stuff uh... and and we we all hated every single time we do we want to just you know not have such uh... and i have a meeting with reason go to meeting yeah every every single person the first team has at least one go to meeting horror story uh... yeah i i don't know this is a maybe this is a huge untapped market here uh... you know somebody's come up with the alternate uh... video live video book a product of podcasting solution and there's millions of dollars just wait to be made well and uh... circuitous uh... mega microsoft meeting lotus live we could totally okay i feel like we we've spent so much time having this nine twenty sort of be part of the discussion you know now we know the price we know it's coming out uh... we know that it makes a tiny little boys and you shake it because of the camera and springs you know we've got it here like is there anything else that's that we should say about it because i feel like it's been such a big deal i feel like we've been we were waiting holding our breath for so long waiting for two to get a release date and to get a price and to come out and then when it finally everything came down aside from the crazy price it's kind of like a actually can i just say who this this was announced was a it was yesterday right the price and release date yes election day at the like what what's like you because we can wait and wait and wait and then you do whatever you can to bury the news so that like regular humans won't see it classy move eighty-eight super classy spending i think that's that not is that what the whole and it's not being suggested that we all get uh... green screens and use the magic of ski gi to appear as though we're in the same room together yet like that well we have all these effects that we can apply but i'm i'm nervous trying to them right now will be a mess well if you if you go to if you apply any effects i think it's you're going to lose your your lord just just bt dubs the and you really want to know what they're going on we won't know who you are where you are well i don't have my city in my lower third anymore where are you here uh... all right so something else that like needs explanation happened today and this was eighteen t's plan they're gonna and landline phone service is that the plan chris you can you walk us through this without letting anybody freak out that he can't he is trying to murder farmers and whatever well actually murder farmers uh... no uh... so the long and short of this plan which they're calling uh... with the called victory i p plus it has some ridiculous name i can't remember uh... that velocity i p something other uh... project velocity i p that project velocity sounds like it sounds like the next installment of the fast and furious uh... but that's not that name or uh... for film what they want to do here is i d commission over the next few years the legacy telephone network which still traces its roots to the very sign the very same telephone network has been in use for the past hundred years uh... more or less they want to completely decommission that so they can go to an all i p infrastructure uh... in other words they want every single thing that's being transmitted over their network to be uh... a data packet which um... believe it or not is not how it works right now when you uh... at the and of the at the terminus of the connection in your home uh... if you're using a what they call a pots line plain old tall telephone service uh... it is usually the case that that voice is transmitted to some noted uh... as just voice and uh... and uh... they're they're trying to you know that there's maintenance involved in involved in in keeping this network alive and it really serves the only function that it serves in the year twenty twelve is to be to his debt is a fallback in times of emergency itself powered it's mother good attributes has been it's been designed to sort of stay up many a and point nine nine nine nine nine nine percent the time which it has been more or less done over the past hundred years uh... but it's time to go we did this with amps and last decade and look and look cells uh... service which is obviously a much smaller scale project and bringing down pots uh... which is the you know still remains the single most ubiquitous network that we have uh... but it is time to go they need to start diverting uh... money and investment into next generation networks and what really and so this this project lost the i p is laying out their game plan for doing this in combination with making an appeal to the f c c for changing basically seventy five years of regulations that prevent them from decommissioning legacy pots network uh... starting with the communications act in nineteen thirty four up through the most recent major rewrite of that policy just the uh... telecommunications act of nineteen ninety six uh... so what they need to do what the process that process that they've started today with an f c c filing is basically appealing to them hey this is what you want to do this is why we want to do it uh... but in order to do that we need your help bypassing certain parts of these really old lies meter opera you're making their parts of these laws although it's very very very easy to hate on a cnc i'll be the first to admit uh... this is a surprising me uh... broadly supported initiative uh... pop knowledge which is a public interest group based in washington dc that often speaks out against moves by a tnt and is a very consumer friendly i think tank uh... actually had some very warm words about this initiative and i think that so that the conclusion that we sort of reason our report that we put up on this today is that through a combination of fairly heavy handed fcc regulation and eighteen t's initiatives through this project there is a way to do this partly and there's a way to do it uh... that won't negatively impact uh... folks in the most rural areas who are normally the most ill-served but he's like a tnt because it's not profitable you're sending all this infrastructure to extremely low-density areas where you just can't make any money and so historically uh... those areas have been subsidized by something called the unit universal service fund used to be used and still is used to some degree to subsidize uh... and it's been updated over the past few months of the past year so to uh... to cover broadband and so that regulation which is the fcc going to help cover uh... parts of this transition eighteen t is saying right now that with all said and done ninety nine percent of their current wire line footprint will be updated with an all i p network that leaves the other one percent this nebulous gray area what that is going to happen to them the only thing he can see will stay on the record right now is that they're not going to any cut customers hanging whether they're not saying really what that means uh... it doesn't matter too much though because that's the c should theoretically have been covered through the national broadband plan and through what they call the connect america on all this other side of the their plans in place and project in place there's money that's already being diverted to cover these folks this is something that needs to happen uh... it's going to be a united the analogy that i used in the pieces that it's like reading a bit eight off you know we've been relying on this network this past network for so long now that it feels really weird to get rid of it and there are still you know tens of thousands of places that rely on it fax machines modems uh... you know uh... lots of different gateways and serves a you know burglar alarms that that don't work very well over an i p network like if you connect into like a bondage box or something sometimes they don't work and you know we need to get over that hump but we could be you know we can't continue to pump money to maintaining this patient decrepit copper based network this is making a sense i think this is a little bit this is the right step yet so in the larger context like it used to be a tt have an opley over all of the telecommunications network that part of the kind of contract they made america uh... in order to get a monopoly was that if they're going they have to provide universal service everybody has to they have to get everybody a phone line uh... if they're going to keep them up well monopoly is theoretically gone it's gone it's not a monopoly anymore anyway uh... so that sort of contract is now i guess null and void uh... but we still need to make sure those people recovered and this you know national problem and uh... iteration of universal service fund is in theory the uh... the solution for that uh... to cover that last one percent and so it seems like there's no reason to panic everybody's on the same page that that they're going to continue to get to the gold universal service they're just you know taking the step in that direction we don't have the full picture yet that affair way to because it is the i i think that if you look on paper if all you do is look at what he can't use proposing today and that you look at the laws that are on the books right now you say well wait a second waiting to use proposing is violating dozens of rules and that's true but the reason that's true is because these rules are each and they were written in a in a pot swirled so the next uh... year to two to three years is going to be about taking a a very close look at the talking telecommunications x nineteen ninety six and rewriting very large portions of it in a way that makes sense for broadband and that's not a good at happen that that's something by the way that has to happen regardless of whether eighteen t's project is ultimately approved and signed up at fcc that that is in desperate need of an update and uh... and chairman gennick husky has said before that that's you know that's on his task list that's on a studio with so uh... so things are going to happen over the season big big rules change here over the next few years uh... i guess the speaking of uh... eighteen t uh... talk about the wireless side they have an answer they're gonna have a goal of hitting was three hundred and three million custom dot customers l t by the end of twenty thirteen uh... it's yet but in the twenty fourteen uh... yeah prior projection was uh... two hundred and fifty by the end of twenty thirteen and they plan to add another fifty million by the end of twenty fourteen which is like you know virtually the entire population of the united states uh... so uh... in eighteen t's release they mentioned that other uh... acquired a whole bunch of uh... spectrum through various deals i think the mention over forty deals this year that they've acquired spectrum from and they've got uh... the rights to an access to about a hundred eighteen megahertz spectrum uh... in order to do this rollout but uh... the whole thing just is kind of like you know eighteen t pretty much said it couldn't do this when it was trying to buy t mobile uh... but you know now it is so uh... i mean uh... i guess you know there's the you know the the the talk to to try and and get there their interest pushed through uh... with regards to t mobile but uh... you know i'm i'm glad to see that and it at least going to happen even though it is he said that it would be a little uh... a year ago uh... the other thing that is uh... of note here is how far behind eighteen t is from verizon uh... for i think that you know over four hundred markets already covered with l t e uh... over uh... two hundred sixty million residents by the end of this year so uh... for items already a full year ahead of uh... eighteen t's l t e rollout and by the way it should be mentioned the l t e that three hundred million million number was was mentioned part and parcel uh... the project velocity i p it's it's all part of eighteen t is big picture of saying you know we're gonna we're gonna expand you first to cover a bunch more people uh... we're going to connect a million businesses to fight directly to fiber and by the way we're also going to expand all t e two three hundred million pops the idea being that between those three initiatives they're going to end up reaching and ninety nine percent of their wireline footprint with some form of broadband uh... data you know and and once once you have access broadband data you can you can obviously do whatever you need to with that you can turn that into uh... you know a a virtual landline uh... uh... phone alike you know the any number of web services bondage whatever in fact a t t mentions in its f c c filing that the point for customers that would be affected by the loss of one line service they have some product that they call it where they just you know it's it basically that excel t and gives you you know what the plan of our line from uh... what else what else on this week although he cc horizon have an event stemmed what november thirteenth and as you said yeah we're pretty much expecting it to be the droid DNA from a she sees five inch monster of phone which we've seen a few pictures leak from my e-v leaks uh... we've got you know we had a lot of the jay butterfly which is a Japanese version presumably the same phone uh... looks pretty much like a lock uh... yeah now it it's definitely going to be that i i still don't i'm not a believer in this in this phone as everybody here knows but i'm anxious i'm excited for a cc in bryson it for me wrong make me a believer is to see tell me why i should want a five inch ten eighty people yeah i'm just like i don't get like okay they're taking this giant phone but like they refused to put uh... one x on their network to go ahead and have a galaxy s three like horizon is being so aggressive about putting phones in different slots and making sure you know i think that the reserve each d and ht max and i got the galaxy s three another putting this way at the high end uh... nancy i don't know if that story makes sense so because they've got there they did for us to take note to you yeah it's got the note to so if if this makes a cc is like latest phones available on the rise in more quickly than that that makes me happy but in terms of like myself being inch interested in a phone this big megan i don't know if i don't know for i think so i think that for i think i i don't know this uh... personally but i i get that that the sense that for i think like the throats wait around with only ends more than any other american carrier including a t and t absolutely and uh... and what and and so what that means is that you have things like the droid brand which of course is done by for i think uh... and and it also means that price and i think has a very happy handed in designing virtually every phone that comes on this network the only two companies that it has perpetuated to on that uh... are of course samsung and apple a cc has nowhere near the weight that either those companies have so i think you know i think that that that price and it's a little too proud to just please that stock one x on its network even even samsung's uh... power is limited because with the like a determined to the note to uh... for the rises making samsung etch its logo into the home button uh... which is just like one of the most insane carrier customizations i've ever seen uh... so uh... yeah i think uh... you know what you're saying is that you know that is that's a that's a that's a bryson track stamp is what it is it's exactly what it is and it's it is really inappropriate and i'm i'm not surprised it sounded like a good idea at the time after a few drinks and after partying all night and then you know the next morning uh... exactly what happened yeah uh... dandy dandy and uh... and jaycation route getting drinks and the and you know they they they have one to many drinks and you know they woke up the next morning in some strange you know city and they're like what did we do last night and jaycation pulls his phone out of his pocket the bryson logo ash at the bottom is like oh my god what what did we do it but exactly well and then it's just like uh... i don't know but we the contract here that stipulates that it's staying away okay so so i i'm pretty excited to see this phone in person uh... i i really want to see what a a screen with you know uh... pixel density of four hundred and forty p p i or something insane uh... i can't say that i i really wanna and excited to use this phone as uh... uh... daily device just because it is so large uh... and i'm really nervous about the power button actually being usable uh... with all the complaints you've had with the eight x is power button and this is even bigger and it's still on the top of the phone uh... so now we did she turn it on with that with the phone that they did you know you don't reach out with your finger to hit it you just like they're on your forehead i think that i think you're in your phone at but that works that's what we've got to work on it uh... the problem is that you can't even do that with the eight x is power button even if i have a look at it at first of all eight first of all it would it would crack your skull because of the shape second of all it's flush with the edge well uh... we wanna for one out for a rise in the app store and right and blackberry because it's going away you know i i think the three people that use it are gonna be very uh... upset uh... the rest of us will be happy that the stupid app is no longer on our phone uh... and it can actually like disappear and for i think that she removed the absolute software features of that that's pretty cool but is is one of those apps that like you couldn't remove in andrew it uh... i can't remember if you could review remove it on a blackberry device but uh... uh... it's just like one of those stubborn carrier things that uh... you know i'm for i think that alone because he t t has its own store t mobile is is ridiculous and any of its printout as well as their own stores and it's just like you know uh... you're these curated app stores are are of no benefit to to the actual and user they're just there to solely serve the carriers needs so i'm more than happy to see it agreed i'm not gonna waste a perfectly good battle of uh... of king cobra pouring one out but i think that well uh... there you know what i'll say that i was i was gonna top total story but i'm not i will say that it was always could i think that these stores were confusing or are confusing to uh... some users and so it's good that they're gone uh... i mean it's confusing to users and like if you buy an apt to that store and say a like say you're an android user anybody out to for eyes and store uh... and then you want to use on your nexus seven tablet you can so it's like you know it's it's you're not doing anybody any any favors because these apps there is a source uh... i think the last thing before wrap up is we do have you with the we do we sure do not have that their review of nexus four the policy went up on the member second josh gulst review it do we do review that we got that thing there for me i don't know what's happening right now but it's really concerning the i don't know if i can continue to talk as with you guys and i found like that uh... so that before before i go completely off the rails on one of my trademark grants what if you guys not talk uh... sensibly and logically about this uh... so actually i do want to say something this fall has elicited a complete in total uh... existential crisis amongst i want to say like seventy percent the very staff uh... and okay and we we talked about this i want to say it last week when you know i put up the uh... editorial at the lack of l t and how it uh... it we'd be into some people like we're trying to apologize for google which was not at all wanted to do it is completely on google for uh... peacing out on the c l we talked about this last week uh... but you know this is a really good fallon everybody wants to buy and just like can't or won't because they feel like they need l t and like i would say in our little you know internal chat i would say it twenty five percent of the stuff that we talk about now is everyday a different person like okay guys public account phone okay go earlier the phone and christy you did a farmhouse like this is this is not my next about it yet and it was mainly in response intended to be a direct response to lands uh... this my next on the eight acts uh... because they have to go step by now next time but it can turn into a dual purpose eight acts and that's is for session uh... i just felt i mean a little looking at the time and again i get i i mentioned this in the comments on my my forum post i'd totally reserve the right to just by this phone on a win in a couple weeks and use it and maybe a little bit but from everything i've seen up to including our review uh... of this device it is just not it is it is the first nexus device that has been incremental enough uh... to not really tend to meet at all well i have no idea what i want to get you back up is is incremental when compared to the other flagship and red hardware that has come out in the past you know three four months but and the galaxy nexus now it's the company else's way better the screen way better the camera way better that over our processor the battle of the first ever had a really the overall feel the bill quality right like the glass back is like that that gives me pause but like there's not a single thing that is like only as a way better except so black melty there there was like this if if you compare it to the gsm galaxy nexus uh... from last year there was like three major complaints that people have with it one the camera to the screen and three the build quality and all three of those were addressed with the nexus four so i mean it's it's like the it's definitely an upgrade uh... you know and and it's frustrating that it doesn't have a lg and i think that's that's probably the more reason why you don't want to upgrade to it or don't want to purchase it chris uh... but uh... to say it's it's it's a it's a mediocre upgrade or incremental agree i think it's more of an upgrade to the galaxy nexus then the uh... four s was to the iphone four uh... no and i was about to say that that i think that the four to the forest is very good analogy if he has the same to me as the same feel uh... to it there you know if if it gets a warmed over gelt the way i described it was it's a galaxy nexus one point one in feel it has uh... no no no no i don't feel happy like physically feel that i don't have to say that now you're right you definitely have me in the field department look and and like i said i reserved the right but the completely deal one eighty on that so you're going to do it as well because he doesn't really are that four hundred fifty dollars was like you know uh... automatic by now territory for the looming nine twenty but you know but that's that's not a twenty but but but but but but but but but but but but but which by the way as l t e which gets me to the real core of my argument which is and and somebody i can't remember who somebody warned me not to rent about l t e and access for the show uh... but i'm throwing questions the wind here uh... the fact is that you know i i always hear people say well you know most people are melting in markets blah blah blah that is a complete load of the x okay we are now at uh... at last cover i think that the world for a hundred l t e markets can you name four hundred cities in the u s need a front of metro areas in the u s three can't so the fact is dot at right now uh... if you live in the united states odds are statistically speaking that you live in a bright simple t mark and over the course of the next uh... year to two i was going to come very good that you're in and he can see all team right as well and i thought they're already pretty good but they were they will be enormously in your favor uh... over the next uh... few months to year to two year-and-a-half so um... l t e is a very relevant thing it has a a market effect on uh... the data experience on the device and in markets with saturated ages ages p a which as you all know i a m n uh... l t e is not just nice to have it is a requirement uh... so uh... for me it is uh... a true deal breaker in the sense that i want to be able to access data on my phone and i cannot on the just p device so and maybe they'll they'll start to be common let's finish you as more people get on the gs three is my phone five is an eight-part back then you talk about this near post morning eighteen he's gonna start rolling out a small cells in dense areas for a just p a few one of twenty thirteen and theoretically that should help to alleviate it but a lot of the stuff but in the in the very short term this phone uh... is simply not an option for me so i i'm actually what's gonna happen is i'm just good breakdown by one uh... at some point and like i will use it a lot but when i really need to date data but i really need l t e i'll have to swap out something else and i'm really lucky that i get to be able to do that uh... but that's what's gonna happen because but i don't need all t e just for date on the phone or really be guilty for data on the phone because that he can teach us p a network is he can teach us p a network it's my second other solution i need you know i need to be able to tell there was that for this job yeah i i used other all the time as well uh... but you know that the thing is that i don't live in an area that has eighteen tl t coverage i do have a rise in all the you are live so you know it using the uh... next is for for me uh... will be akin to using my iphone five at least you know in my my home area as soon as i go into like you know that the city that and yeah it's it's a no contest but i don't know i'm still i still really kinda wall one that i mean we're all like a steep out we're all like uh... it is only three our box unlocked that eight or sixteen at three hundred eight uh... date yeah it's kind of three fifty sixteen yet i can't i can't just wanna buy this to have like uh... relatively inexpensive unlocked phone that i can use when i'm not in the u.s and i can have like you know it's a cutting edge unlocked phone i'm not dealing with you know uh... if i were to buy a different for three hundred dollars unlocked i'd be dealing with you know galaxy s one or something then i'll tell you what i will sell you and no casey seven five o'clock i don't know i don't think uh... i'd you have to like a decent five-point-five and i still would be would be wondering uh... if i should take that deal you know i don't think right now one x running science and not ten it's still around still not quite there but it's got way better in the past couple weeks and uh... pretty pleased what's the other is the rogers tax still usable on the eighteen t one x of her on my computer yeah i don't know what the state of that is my that my bootloaders unlocked and once i got that done i like peace on paying attention to that whole situation because i'm a jerk that's fair so what's missing on that wrong that's not uh... so that i really from well that's you know minor issues knowing that i was gotten way better and it's it's pretty stable there there's a week blocks which are things like apps opening up in the background of some kind of a really not seeing any real showstoppers right now uh... on the wrong from that six but like if they're moving on quickly that the house was you know the colonel needs work because each to see went with a crazy car but they were not actively yeah the when the weather's when is a tc going to make annexes phone again and you know when that's what came out it was like the best phone agency could make it ran stock and it's just like why can't you get we have developer phones from uh... motorola and he she see who else making a prediction phones is is so many of them and i can't say i'm so good samsung definitely is you know if you're looking at the lower your developer edition phone offer stock and read on and see what happens you know it's already developer phone is already you know not available subsidized carriers so you're not a cell phone see what happens man go crazy put on your developer website for developers their caution to the wind and just throw it up there i mean would if there were an android l t e phone that had a developer edition that offered uh... you know stock jelly bean experience tell me what by uh... i i i i would pay knowledge i think risked a like eight hundred fifty dollars to import and she is a galaxy so but i think that who didn't i mean like that but like i mean i think that this was the galaxy next is with such a m like a watershed moment for android there was so much at the demand among and read merits as such as ourselves for the galaxy nexus that i think that many of us were extremely desperate i'm getting on the first shipment devices my father celiac in our chances that has dropped like that xp a forms that there's a developers that uh... will show you how to root and unlocked them uh... one x the most recent it all i kinda want to get a one x on my hands now well there's one x plus them and stuff once a bigger battery but yeah i will come about the what what doesn't the one x plus half can you can you tell me and report went to uh... l t we don't know what it was about the uh... so like the the u k one does all known as the u k one i think that the uh... but keeping all right yet it is getting i'd totally space on it how about a uh... and how about uh... no get no cancer in a house and i think that's it you know i think you know i i don't know i got i got a i got a phone number thirty-five h p v here each peter man did i have a speaker uh... if you have an any criss i would actually like consider that i have a sign and meets are not ten feet away from me well i know you may not happen i will take that down to the grave gentleman i have a thing i need to be at in like fifteen minutes so i need to go so i'm gonna wrap this show up sorry to a shorter usual but that's okay because it's short and sweet doesn't mean we don't love you and we want you to watch next week just like you watch this week really appreciate everybody stopping by your false it's where you can we are at her giant back on chris is at the power and i think he's treating again which is crazy and and is that the cc for the i and will be back 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