 All right, welcome to the WAN show ladies and gentlemen having one Heck of a time getting the new live dashboard set up. It was amazing. It works so well But I can't even believe it. We have a great show for you guys today We're gonna be talking about the rumor that the 2021 iPhone will be completely portless We will be running. Sorry. Did you say completely pointless portless? Oh, okay. My voice is dead I have Been it can be both things at the same time. Yeah, it could be both We're gonna be talking through the later case scandal. What exactly happened? What else we got? Oh, there's a new chipset VR platform for VR brought to you by Qualcomm the XR 2 So we're gonna talk about that but that's a main topic Well, I thought you liked VR it can not be we can talk about Intel resuscitating Haswell for some reason Wait, what chips from 2013, baby? What they're like manufacturing these again, it's back. All right, let's roll roll the intro You'll have to give me a couple more minutes how long is this clip gonna be Yeah Okay, what's our what's our conclusion is it a decent value Is it a decent value Ridge wallet see Sonic Display Yeah, all right So why don't we jump into our headline topic right away according to securities analyst? Ming-chi Kuo who is well known for his Apple product predictions Apple is planning to release its first iPhone without the lightning charging port in 2021 now a Lot of people would have maybe assumed seeing news like that the way that I just presented it that Apple was Finally at long last going to adopt USB type-c, which they already have adopted on their laptops and their iPads We don't talk about that just just laptops and iPads on the iPhone But no, that's not what this is The shift is part of an effort by Apple to further distinguish its most expensive iPhone from other new smartphones according to Kuo and Quo however, I'm sorry. My voice is fried. I can't even try and so that suggests that the phone will not have any port no charging port at all and would Require that owners charge it wirelessly Not only that not only charge it wirelessly, but also use any wireless peripherals Like only wireless headphones, right? Forget a dongle, right? Forget having like a flur camera dongle or any other like pro level dongle What if you need yeah, what if you need to give a presentation in a boardroom or something? I've seen people use their iPhones for that just with a lightning to HDMI connector. It really doesn't make any sense Especially considering that the way that this is framed it again. This is just a rumor This is just someone's speculation the way it's framed. It's like they want their total It's framed. It's like they want their top top top iPhone to have this This is a removal of features and the last keynote we saw from them was like, you know We take the word pro seriously and the iPhone 11 Pro It's a really a pro tool with these three cameras you tell me pros are just gonna use like wireless everything microphones or just like nothing that You don't want it to be like a hub with you can put on all these extra extensions into you I don't know. It's very baffling to me because you know Apple's vision of pro even a few short years ago was dongles everywhere Whereas now it's wireless everywhere. The problem with that is that Unless wireless technology leaps forward very significantly in the next well Year wireless isn't pro. Well, they've got two years because a 2021 iPhone wouldn't be until September 2021 I mean here one thing though is that from what I've heard 60 gigahertz Wi-Fi Should see a significant bump in bandwidth I was actually researching this because I wanted to know if and when there's a wireless option coming for the valve index right so that VR headset that I like so much because 120 to 144 Hertz freaking awesome and And apparently there's a new revision coming. I think it was either next year, which would be 2020 or 2021 That would increase the bandwidth substantially and make it so that the existing 60 Hertz or excuse me 60 gigahertz wireless technology That's already used on things like the HTC Vive Would be better enough to handle the additional bandwidth of an index So if that's the case and this thing could do you know 4k 60? wirelessly You know Apple has never shied away from saying well the way that you used to do it that was affordable and accessible and easy now we're gonna do it a new way that's less affordable less accessible and Maybe even easier, but definitely more magical It's definitely magical, but I don't think that it's always easier to use a wireless charging pad If they're finicky you have to line it up in the right spot and Apple themselves haven't even Released their power mat or whatever. It's called. Yeah, I think they killed that thing I forget what they called it, but I mean there's third-party alternatives But that doesn't change the fact that Apple themselves has acknowledged that The the vision of the future where you just like chuck your stuff onto a wireless charging mat and everything just charges magically Is not there yet with that said they're giving themselves another two years and aren't they trying to be environmentalist Didn't they say with the last iPhone that it's like it's all recycled aluminum or something like that Wireless charging is less efficient if you're gonna have millions of these users charging the phones less efficiently You're just leaking out energy into just Everywhere I think that's a tough one to argue. I mean, yeah, it's less efficient, but we're not talking People charging their their cars wirelessly not yet, but why not their trend centers industries follow them Yeah, well, I mean people have already talked about wireless charging pads where you just like drive into your garage I would we have to redesign the grid if we're gonna do that. I would buy it. Yeah, everyone will I would love that so much What about that Tesla arm thing that were it just went like snaked over? Autonomously and prehensile Lee and just plugged itself in. Did you see that? Yeah, I did but that side that's less that That's more science fiction. Whereas like pulling into the wireless charger Elon has made rockets that land themselves Yeah, that's true. Tell me you can't make an arm that finds the hole. I'm saying I wouldn't like it Like it was too creepy. Yeah, what if you put like a like a doll's baby hand on the end? Just get it to scratch your back. I don't get it. Are you trying to help her make it worse? It's great It scratches your back All right, okay with this though, it's like you're paying more for less fewer features you're getting less Okay, what if they could make it even more waterproof? What if they gave us something in return? What if this the 60 gigahertz and I'm speculating what if the 60 gigahertz wireless connectivity? Really is the most amazing thing since sliced bread like you have a dongle that just has like a battery in it And you just bring it anywhere near your iPhone and it's like wow connected bad. It's amazing If that connectivity option would be available on phones that have ports still Yes And does anyone really want an iPhone that's that much more waterproof? Um, okay. All right. All right, so I have no defense for the dongle argument The one thing that I will say is I think there is plenty wait, is it down? That chat is moving fast Uh, is the YouTube stream actually down? What about floatplane? You have got to be kidding me You have got to be kidding me um No, we're still up on floatplane. Of course we are and we're still up on twitch so, um, yeah There's nothing I can do I am we are completely We're completely helpless Sorry guys, nothing I can do uh twitch and Floatplane working fine Um, that this is hilarious Why is there nothing we can do? I don't really get it. What is how do you know that? What is set reminder? There's just nothing here Excellent connection condition or excellent connection It's set to public. There's nothing. Wait. Why is it set to 5 20 pm? What is this? What the hell is this? I how about set it to nothing? How about it's a live stream? How about go live? What even? Oh my god So wait, is it gonna come back? This is so stupid And what why is it still set to 5 20? I just I just changed it waiting for linus tech tips December 6 5 20 pm What you cannot you can't go back in time. You cannot set it to go with the past You cannot set it to just go live. What about this go live button? This is the worst. We're alive. This is the worst interface I have ever seen Oh boy. Oh wow So one of youtube's engineers who works on this was actually supposed to come on to the stream today and uh or like walk us through it ahead of time and Today today. Yeah, but I would've been good. He was like, oh, I I have to go do something after four and I was like okay, well we don't start our stream until 4 30 or five and He was like, okay. Well, how about we do it next week? I was like, okay This is like this has been a clinic On why your interface is? Abominable so if I click edit What's gonna happen? Okay, where's the schedule? There's no schedule anymore. Where's the scheduling stuff? How did that come up? Where did what where did the scheduling thing come up? This is so amazing So when we clicked edit a second ago, there was a schedule You can't set it to the past you click live now. I don't even know what happened Well, no probably because the schedule is only exposed when you end the stream. Yeah, I guess so, but I didn't end the stream I didn't touch it This is so amazing. Anyway back to the phone back to the iphone. I love your sick yelling voice It's so you sound like a 14 year old girl going through puberty. I've had such a frustrating week Every project i've worked on has just had so many unnecessary problems, you know when you go into a project and it's like, okay I know that like the virtualization on this motherboard is a potential sticking point or like you know, I know that Getting this much ram to be detected is a potential problem And then you spend most of your time finding a usb that works, you know like like where? Where it's just these problems that shouldn't be problems causing problems. I upgraded my tv And so obviously this is a very first world problem, but it's an htmi 2.1 tv So I guess there's some new htcp handshaking issues Okay, so I plugged it in through my receiver and it worked for a matter of Uh, I don't know two minutes and then I got this colored snow And once you get the colored snow, the only way to fix it is to go get another ducking display and plug it in directly so that you can change the like Deep color profile of your stupid windows color settings back and then plug it in through your receiver and it's like All this crawling around behind the tv just for something that Holy crap htcp doesn't work piracy is still a thing Just piss off Not to mention the fact that's like three years ago You hear about this spec being ratified and we've been waiting for this to roll out like since i've worked here And and and then it's it makes me all makes me all upset And then I have the computer screen thing up instead of us being sitting here talking I have just had so much of this week. I am so done. I can't wait for the weekend And of course i'm sick and i'm coming into it not getting better right now So i'm gonna spend the weekend just sick Well, you actually got sick because of these projects though. I was up till three work. It's a cool project You guys are gonna love the video Basically, I wired up fiber optics in my walls at home I got some help from colin who's one of our newer writers here And I made it so that my server room With one pc even although that's not the most practical way to do it But my server room has fiber optic display port and usb running all over the house So every computer in the house can be hidden away in one corner. It's sick. It's awesome But I was up till three in the morning finding usb keys that worked That was just very frustrating anyway Back to the iphone The only defense I have is the wireless charging Because I can see wireless charging over the next couple years getting better enough That there's just no real need to plug in And it's just I mean from an apple perspective. It's a point of failure. It's an ingress point for dust It's something for people that snap off cables in and break or or short out in the event that you know Let's okay. Here's a here's a great um great point against having a lightning port You can seal up the chassis as best you can and you can use like membranes and stuff like that to make a port You know reasonably waterproof, but only fresh water if you could seal up the entire chassis Maybe you could make it impervious to salt water That would be sick an iphone that you could take out on the boat What about um that is awesome, but what about security like a lot of security has to do with plugging in and You know those like I have your phone and I plug it in yeah Point I mean does that make it harder this ub key is like three or four years old though and already has nfc So like I don't see why we can't just expect the world to move on from plugging a dongle into your phone to authenticate something Plugging a dongle into your phone to authenticate something What about carplay Well, yeah, that would that would suck I don't have a response to that. They're gonna have to change some things Although even like android auto would I have my car I have to plug my phone in but I believe there are more expensive stereos or whatever that have Wireless android auto really I actually did not know that to be honest with you. I think they're like a grand though But I don't know about the carplay world they Might be wireless sooner or more cheaply. Yeah, apparently there's a casting version of it. Okay, that's cool for of carplay Yeah, because carplay. Oh no android auto. I don't know about carplay. Well carplay is available in more automobiles and cheaper than android auto is Wireless carplay adapter from carplay to air No need to okay. So yeah, you know what? You would need a you'd need a wireless Dongle exactly what I said wireless dong so you would plug this dongle into the lightning or the usb port of your car And then you'd have wireless usb effectively because it's only usb2 even like the data rates aren't even that high Someone was watching the show and they're just like, okay. I'm gonna go make a wireless cup holder size Dongle that has a little wire that goes into your usb port It just sits at the bottom of your cup holder and you chuck your phone in there. Well, that's what this is Is it the shape of your cup holder? No, no, now you done goofed, but yeah, there you go So you want to you want to use your old wired, you know caveman carplay? No problem, and i'm sure apple would be happy to sell it for I think 149 is probably what I would expect for something like that Oh, yeah, ah, it's a lot. That is a lot for that. Yeah, but you're a pro So like you have money, right? You're using your iPhone. You're using your phone You're using your iPhone you're using your iphone pro to shoot short films and showing them at film festivals where surely you get paid for that and Wait, what are we talking about pros pros? Yeah pros. What's up, bro? What's up, bro? My laptop is dying and i'm gonna see if I can pull a fast one. I know you're good. You're good. Bring me here you go That's not gonna work for me. Oh, wait, uh, you're on your gram Oh, yeah, yeah, never mind. Wait, doesn't that gram have type c? Yeah, I thought it charges over type c as well I'm pretty sure man. This will be pretty cool. Yeah, if it breaks it'll be my laptop. Anyway, so I guess you have nothing to lose Come on your battery is running low thing went away. All right, we got this hell Yeah, of course. I can't bring up the document to talk about one of our other topics because it's just not working right now Oh, you know what? We should announce these charities. Yeah, so our friends paul from paul's hardware and kyle from bitwit are Hosting a 12-hour charity stream tomorrow that you should all go check out. They're raising money for extra life So it's saturday december 7th from 9 a.m To 9 p.m pacific twitch.tv slash awesome hardware youtube.com slash bitwit youtube.com slash paul's hardware So go check that out guys, and if you want something a little more immediate Uh luke is actually working on something with microsoft mixer.com slash extra life Um, you guys can check that out. I believe that is today Mixer hey luke Hmm. All right. You know what? I'm gonna let you do this qualcomm next-gen Vr thing while I go finish up shooting with andy and alex no you're the one who loves vr This is I put this in for you. Yeah, but I don't care about like mobile vr So, okay quest quest is pretty cool. All right, fine. You can find something else you want to do Do you want to talk through the hassle? Oh tick tock? Oh, wow, that's terrible All right, go ahead. These are all meant to be for us to discuss. Yeah, fine. Okay Tick tock guys. Are you younger than me then you may use tick tock tick tock used to be called musically and my little sister used it and I thought it was A disgusting waste of an app that was obviously a rip off of instagram, but just made more kid-like turns out i'm wrong And it gets bought by tencent and turned into tick tock and it's now a phenomenon But it's not without its controversy. So what happened was? Social video network tick tock apparently limited the reach Of users with disabilities including facial disfigurement and down syndrome. Well, it's actually a little more broad than that I guess what happened was I feel for them. They had good intentions. They wanted all their users to have a good experience on their platform so what they did was they had their moderators go through and look at users profile pages and kind of Evaluate whether or not a user might be the type of person who would attract Negative like cyberbullying and they wanted to protect those users from being bullied and having a bad experience on the platform So what they did was they in a sense punished those Would-be victims by just limiting the reach of their content So if I posted something it just wouldn't get shared as far. They just like kind of nerfed them algorithmically So the people who got flagged by this um And this again, this is just subjective from the moderators of tick tock But it was people who maybe looked a certain way or were members of the lgbt community Or were part of like a fat acceptance movement like there's a kind of like curves positive Creator on there who was affected by this also people with special like with some Special needs or differently abled people were affected by this and so once they're put on like this list Their videos would only appear in the country where they were uploaded. So they're geographically restricted then it's not getting sent as far or They're just emitted from the for you feed after they hear they hit a certain view count so So Kind of brutal if you're I don't know It's really interesting because on the one hand I can see why they want everyone to have a good experience They want everyone to be happy on there But maybe the experience you're looking for is having a megaphone and telling your story to As many people as you can and and some of the people that they flagged have like hundreds of thousands of followers So it's a bad experience if you're not getting bigger and getting the engagement that you want That's the experience you're after. So if they crippled that experience then they're failing A spokesperson from tik tok said the rules were never intended to be a long-term solution I think it's something they kind of hack together instead of having proper policies that they would normally have There's something like twitter or instagram might have Um, but they uh, the moderators were instructed to follow these instructions as recently as september For tiktok itself has previously faced charges of political censorship including limiting videos that would offend the chinese government because of course they are owned by tenscent and Most very large companies in china are pretty tightly knit with the communist party. So that makes sense Uh, it tiktok recently suspended a user who criticized china's mass imprisonment of the uighur muslims Although a spokesperson said that the suspension was actually related to a different video and the ban was later reversed And I don't know much about that story just putting that in there um The question though of user experience versus user freedom That's a really big one and I wonder if there's a cultural difference here where This never happened Exactly like this on on an american platform like facebook or facebook property like instagram and never happened on twitter Um, maybe because our culture just prioritizes freedom Whereas this is happening on a chinese platform because they they just have different values I don't know. I wish linas was here to talk to me about it, but he's not guys craigslist finally has an app I don't know about you guys But I have recently stopped using craigslist altogether because facebook marketplace is way better And if linas were here, he would tell you that he likes to use the app let go which personally I think is just Like facebook marketplace, but probably has fewer people on it. But now guess what? Craigslist is coming back. They're catching up. They made an app It's available on ios and there's a beta on android which I downloaded on my new pixel 4 phone that arrived today It's hilarious you log into this thing and it just has the exact same feel As the website you're used to look at this. You probably can't see this. There's like three words on the top They're in the default text. You don't even need css to make sheets like this It says craigslist is local classifieds sharing your location is recommended. This is just the onboarding flow I'm gonna i'm gonna share it I'm gonna share it. I want to see this craigslist app in action because I heard that it looks as Plain as it always has which is actually probably what you want If you're craigslist aficionado One thing they did do which was better on the web at least was they did switch to embedding the pictures right onto the I guess feed or the listings page search results page Because that was one of the biggest things that facebook marketplace is way way way better at the listings aren't headlines that you have to read The listings are just photos. It's such a much more media rich page And you you can just take in so much more information faster when it's images rather than text that you can just scroll through All the stuff that you don't need to buy so much more efficiently I think craigslist has been doing that for a while now too But it still doesn't have things like instant messaging which is wicked on facebook marketplace because who wants to email somebody and then wait Like five hours for them to check their email and reply At facebook marketplace I can just message the person which makes it way more like intimate and casual just like hey I want your thing is it still here And you can click through to their facebook profile to see how old their profile is they're like a real person and everything Way more safe feeling thank god linus is back ninja role. Oh, why are you doing this? Why? That's not really a role Right in the chair That's the most success you've had all week. Yeah pretty much I was just talking about the new craigslist app. There's an app now What? No way. Craigslist made an app dude check it out That seems Like why don't they make their website better first? That's the whole thing is it looks like crap and you love it And look the website the app looks just as crappy What why? Why? Doesn't craigslist actually have like a significant number of people working there? I don't know how many people they work there, but this is what it looks like Okay I I guess they don't want to be completely Complicated I don't know I guess they don't want to be completely irrelevant It's like they're like They're just laggards like your grandpa Until they really have to Fine I was reading an interview with like the founder of craigslist Is his name craig? I believe so And he was basically As far as I could tell He hasn't pushed craigslist forward Because he just actually doesn't care At all He seems to be one of those people Because craigslist had an opportunity To be Huge Go secure multiple rounds of Gigantic amounts of funding Try to be like Craigs social network They have enough traffic to the site That they could kind of Pivot or branch out There was definitely potential there But the vibe that I got from this interview Was that just like He was at the point where he had it made You know, that seems good enough Like remember they didn't even get Like a decent image uploader I mean calling it decent is generous Until like Everything just works Just barely So yeah That's the vibe I get I'm honestly surprised that they even did an app It's probably like his son works there And is like dad come on I need a job for life too Like they didn't even have The market share that you might expect You go as little distance as The next province over here to Alberta And no one uses it, they all use KGG If you go to Australia they all use Gumtree They were like the first With just, well you can tell When they made this In 99 or something and it worked and then they just Left it Whereas they could have advertised and just like swallowed the world And there's like so many features That have even existed Since way back then, I mean do you remember Heatware? No Okay so Heatware was a third party service That was like a Credibility measure Okay So you would always link your So I used to use sites like Craigslist A lot, but also Red Flag Deals was super active for Canadian Computer parts reselling And buying used and all that kind of stuff And so you would always link your Heatware in your profile Like in your signature on forums That way you could have A consistent online Identity across multiple platforms Because at the time eBay already existed, but there was No way to verify For a third party to verify That this username that you had on ExtremeSystems.org And this username on eBay Were actually the same person Right, because otherwise you'd be like that guy on eBay has a great rating I'm just going to use his username on this thing Yeah, so Heatware You could go to someone's Heatware profile And they would have verified links To their accounts on all these Sites all over the place I mean that concept existed when I was in high school Craigslist could have Integrated that, like they could have done Almost anything And it would have been more than Nothing Oh my god Well Craigslist is still alive And the whole Miss connection, have you ever used a Miss connection? Um My friend actually, you know what that is? I know what it is, because I thought it was a reddit thing My friend, locked eyes with some girl In a coffee shop, he went home He was talking to his other friend about it And Buddy was like, you should check out Miss Connections You should make a Miss Connections on Craigslist, go on there And you say, I saw you at the coffee shop And you were wearing a red sweater, and we had a little moment And he goes on there, and she had already made one No And then they dated for like a month, and then it didn't work out Huh I love the stories being told to thousands of people Wow Megan, if you're out there Just joking Wow, that's crazy No, but they had to get rid of a lot of their Classifieds When Sesta got ratified into a lot, right? They don't have like the M4W Section anymore Which used to be the most fun when you're an immature man Oh really You never went on there with your friends and Post picture of your butt hole or something? No, why would I do that? You want to talk about something More tech related? 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I can talk about that later So it is Speculated, we have no way of confirming this That Lou set his Pataka videos To private just before the later Case launch Front page tech Alleged that Lou simply ordered Cases from Alibaba Lou made a follow up video Saying that he did not order them from AliExpress Which is not the same As Alibaba, they are actually Completely different, and it is very likely That Lou sourced a factory to work with Through Alibaba, we've done it, lots of people do it Well in his video he shows Alibaba, like I don't know if You're saying that he said verbally Aliexpress But he shows Alibaba Yeah but just because you've done a bunch of revisions Like that's how Alibaba works There's products for sale on there But then you just, you find something that's kind of Similar to what you're trying to make You reach out, you go, okay here are the things that I want to change, do you have the capabilities to do this And say yes or no, they give you a Quote, you get a sample The sample sucks, the sample sucks usually On the first try, you tell them Okay we need to change this and this and this Or you send them an example Of something that you think is Better, like I want it reinforced I want the bottom part reinforced Kind of like this, like I've got This really cool material that we Found on this like, you know, hat We'd like something similar to that, but over here Like you kind of say, okay here's what we need to change You go back and forth a bunch of times, I mean Something as simple as the Stealth hoodie, you might think, okay yeah what It's a hoodie, what could you possibly get wrong We would do 4, 5, 6 sample rounds Of something like that because If you're going to order thousands of units Which is exactly what you have to do if you're ordering Like directly from a Chinese factory You need to make sure that they're right And those Chinese factories Are not giving you a refund, like there's no Net terms, you pay upfront A lot of the time, you give A lot of the time as much as 25, 50% In advance of them even manufacturing it And then you give the rest before they Even ship it to you, so that's like How it works, they all You can really hope for is that The vast majority of the products Look exactly like the sample That you agreed on, so he did all that He has all these samples there He goes through meticulous detail All the things that he thought were important to a case That he changed, and all of that's just to show Or respond to the criticism that Man, you just bought 500 Of this case that is the first Result when you type in carbon fiber Looking case on Alibaba, and you just bought Them and now you're flipping them for $45 a case He did some work He went through all that, and that's what he's showing In that response video So Apparently, Lou did reach out to Pataka about a possible partnership It appears this was after the later case video launch though That's what we don't know for sure I don't think that was what he was saying Who was saying? Lou. That it was after or before? Yeah, I thought he was saying it was before, but it just Didn't work out or something Well, that's unclear, I think he's Kind of ambiguous, I think he's trying to make it seem At the very least he's trying to make it seem like It was before, but The people at Pataka don't Say that it was before, there's like this Clip where one of the YouTubers was Speaking on the phone or voice Over IP with James Zang of Pataka who says that Lou reached out to him after That's the way it seems from What he said, so that's kind of Unclear. Zang also said in a tweet When did you contact any of us? So Alright, so now we can move into Um Lou issuing a copyright Claim against Pataka For the video that featured Him that they were using in a Video called What They Say About Pataka Phone Case which they had uploaded So We've done the same thing We've issued copyright claims Where our video I mean, okay So it's a fine line, we could issue a Copyright claim at pretty much Any time over something Like that, any use of our Likeness, of my likeness Or James's likeness or a quote From us that Um, we're not comfortable with in any Way, we could issue a take down For and we do on a very regular Basis and usually when that Happens, it's because someone Has taken something that we said out of Context So an example of that would be If I were to say something like If it weren't for Problem A, Problem B, and Problem C I would say, this is the best phone On the market and if they go And they put a quote on their site that says Dot, dot, dot, this is the best phone on the market Line of Sebastian, I'm like, yo You need to take that down immediately Because that isn't what I said, that wasn't the Spirit of what I was saying So that's an example. Well the other thing is Sometimes they'll go to a website and they'll just have Your footage and you know They didn't pay to use your footage that way So another example Is when they're using Our video Or our branding Or our image in a way that makes It appear as though the relationship Is something other than we as An independent third party reviewed a product That they made. So I've seen My face, I actually Ran into this with a company that Makes really compact Laptops, like super small laptops And on one of their pages They had like Me, like pictures of me That like stills that they had just pulled Like embedded all over and I was like And quotes and stuff and I was like Look, you guys are really making this look like An endorsement or something, I just reviewed the product This looks like Too close of a relationship and that's not What's happening here. Plus they're making derivative Marketing materials with your original work And they didn't pay for that. I was like Look, I like the product and they fixed it And we've worked with them again since then and it's all good But I think that was a case Where they just didn't really understand That when you embed a lot of imagery Of someone else all over your product Page, it makes it seem like Some kind of sponsorship or paid endorsement And it wasn't. So that's another case Where we would ask them to pull Down, you know, any images Or quotes from us. And then The third one was the one you mentioned Where they are using it as marketing Collateral, where there Would be an opportunity for us to Charge a licensing fee for it And they haven't. Now, we don't Actually do that very often The only time that really comes Up for us is when they want to Re-upload the content and Or embed it on their website. And in this Case, that appears to be Exactly what Pataka has done So, I'm not going to say that I would have necessarily behaved Any differently than Lou The only thing that's weird about it is The timing, where the copyright Notice was issued right Before the launch of the later case Yeah, it's especially weird Because... And yes, I'm Sick, guys, that's why my voice sounds like this It's weird, because On the one hand, you're like, look, he made a case That looks a lot like this other case And that case, he sang the praises of So, if this really was, like, let's say He worked with Pataka and His case was really just a rebranded Pataka case He probably would keep that video up Because it's like, look, I got this case Back then, I loved it, and I loved it so much I made another one. And we made a couple Of tweaks that make it, like, you know Later edition or whatever. But on the other Hand, it's Like, Pataka says themselves That they're like a leader in this space, or they're a very Well-known company in this Case. I've never heard of them They claim, at least, that they have a lot of market share in this space If that's true, it stands to reason That a lot of, like, the Alibaba-type Companies would be like, let's just make a Carbon copy of that. Literally a Carbon copy. Get it? Well, they're not Literally carbon. But So, there's a ton of copycat things On Alibaba. So, if you're popular, there Will be a copycat version. So Ugh Did he copy them or not? Did Everybody copy them? Did he just grab, like Is it so copied that it's generic? Is it a commodity now? And there's just a million Cases that look like that. And just kind of Of course, it looks like somebody's And that somebody in this case happens to be Pataka People seem to be, like, watching A different stream than this one Tookster says, no, man, you guys are So wrong on this issue. He didn't make it What are you even talking about? Nobody, nobody makes Nobody makes anything unless they Actually are the worker on the assembly line In the factory in China, literally Making it. Like, we're talking About sourcing from overseas Um, so I In that sense, we don't make our LTT Water bottle. No. We Don't. We found something that was Pretty close, and then we customized It to reach the point where we were happy with it Well, I guess we made the design on it. Absolutely. So, in that case, yeah, like a lot of apparel Like a shirt, you're not really Buying a water bottle, you're buying a design That you like, and it happens to be on a water bottle Um, so in that sense If Lou changed Anything about the case, my understanding is there are Actually a couple of differences. If you changed Anything about the case, then you are paying For the work and the time That Lou put into working with the Manufacturer, because no, no YouTuber makes anything. Um Who was it who just did that big Makeup launch? Um Shane Dawson? I don't know. Yeah, um I think it was Shane Dawson and James Charles? Sorry, I'm not Really good at the like famous YouTubers Anyway, they didn't make that Makeup, they didn't like Go and do laboratory testing to Ensure it's safe to put on your skin, they left that to the professionals Thank goodness They didn't make makeup, I didn't make a water Bottle, and Lou didn't make a case Because we would have no idea what we're doing And it would probably suck. So, you're Paying for Them to, um, order the Volume that's needed in order to make the costs Reasonable, you're paying for them to promote it You're paying for them to consult on the design Or any changes that they're making to it And you're paying for their time coordinating the whole damn thing Well, people take issue with the cost because it's a $45 Case Oh, Jeffree Star, sorry If you look at the If you were to just buy the MOQ Like the unit price is I think at Most $14 or something like that But in his video Lou explains that You know, he's warehousing all of these Units in I believe Ontario, in Canada, so that real estate Has a cost, he has to warehouse all of them And he does, it's not just one case That cost is very low. He's trying to support But the thing is, that cost of the iPhone One is subsidizing the cost of The other devices that he plans to support So there's not that many people with the OnePlus 7 and he wants to support that one It's a lost Leader, in a way. Yep, so that's fair Um Shane Dawson and Jeffree Star, yeah, got it Guys, got it, got it, got it, got it, sorry I'm really bad at famous YouTubers Um So, alright, there was something That I said I would come back to Oh, you said you were going to come back to the coffee Okay, so that's basically, basically here's what happened Apparently he deleted the videos Which actually makes sense cause I don't think setting them private actually Deletes the views from your channel Oh, I thought I read, I thought the um I mean we could test it. I thought the front page Video was talking about Him having it privated them Yeah, he might have been mistaken because my understanding Is the views only go away if you actually delete it Alright, um, okay, so anyway In a nutshell, Lou launched a case He launched it Later, and then before later Happened, uh Allegedly deleted videos Where, and there seems to be pretty Significant, pretty bulletproof Circumstantial evidence that he used to have Videos on the Pataka case on his channel Saying that he liked it, um And doesn't anymore, so It looks like that's pretty much what happened Um, he got called out For this, um Admittedly in a way that would have put me on The defensive too, like Frontpage Tech's video was very You know, haha We uncovered your, you know Uh, your sleazy Crap, haha, you thought we wouldn't Notice ya twit Like, he had a kind of an attitude about it I can see why that would have made Lou quite defensive about it Um So then Frontpage Tech makes this video And says look you, you claim That you never found a case you liked This one, except here's a video From you, from like years ago Saying how much you liked this one Then yours is just like almost identical to Um You know, what are you doing? Um He responded saying I'm doing, I actually Did a lot of work and also your video Was very rude, um And then Frontpage Tech I don't know if you watched their follow up video Basically was like Well you didn't address Anything we said, um So that's pretty stupid And my take on all of this Is Lou could have Prevented this and could still Prevent any fallout from This by just being upfront About it, like Yeah I deleted the videos Because, like, well Okay, A, just shouldn't have deleted the videos Should have just said I don't know, you know what, I don't know I don't know how I would have fixed This, I mean maybe The launch video shouldn't have treated it Like it was something new then Shouldn't have deleted the videos, should have said Because my understanding again is that there are A couple of subtle differences between The later case and the Pataka case Well the Pataka case actually has other features, like magnetic things Alright, well He should have just focused on his differentiating Features Been upfront about it, I mean now that This is all out there Um, honestly I probably wouldn't Have created like a podcast episode Addressing it, you know If I was trying to make it go away as quickly as possible Um I don't know, this just Seems like such a self-own I don't know At least in his response video He's showing you that he did put work into it Which is an attempt to Dispel all the criticism that he just ordered The front page tech video never said He didn't put work into it Well a lot of people attack his claim when he says So I made a phone, so I made one So I made one And everyone's like, no you didn't So like he's responding to that I guess so, but to me that's not really the issue here The issue here is The removal of The Pataka case videos Um And like trying to sweep something under the rug All you had to do Was just leave it up And then when people are like, hey this is really similar to the Pataka case You say, yeah I like the Pataka case a lot But here's the things that I wanted to change To make later case Different from that and better in my mind That was all That was all it had to be Um The reality of this though is that This issue is gonna go away I mean just like the truck full of iPhones That never got given away Um, this I mean the news cycle is what? Two days now? Maybe? I mean in a world Where you've got, you know The drama of modern day American politics Ultimately, how big of a deal Is a YouTuber deleting a video And then releasing a phone case That's very similar to the case that they Praised in this video Um I mean Yeah, I think it was a really stupid You know, shoot self in foot Moment and it was completely unnecessary But in the grand scheme of things I don't think It's gonna affect his channel or his business So Pataka, congratulations On all the sales you got this week From this huge Huge publicity bump Yeah, I guess I mean it could be I wouldn't have been talking about them It could be deleterious in some way Over the long term, maybe, but I think that would be small Compared to this exposure that they just got I wonder if they've ever emailed me I'm just curious now It's not the kind of thing I would cover Cause we don't really cover phone cases Like how do you make a video about a phone case? I don't really get it Just watch an Unbox Therapy video Yeah, I guess so Um Oh my god Look at all these emails from them Oh wow, I wonder if they've ever emailed me 80 110, I don't know A million emails from them There's more than one contact here This is like people's careers churning out So I have heard from the following Pataka employees over the last Three years Ivy, Ashley Joanna, Exu 66 Vangie, Crystal Fiona, Ashley Abby, Rebecca Kitty Kiki Olivia Echo, are these made up? I think so There's no way, they're all James Zang We're gonna be getting one from him Soon anyway, because these are totally All like approachable Female names, you notice that? There's no way those aren't aliases, that's hilarious So uh I can't not reply to Kitty Or Kiki, she sounds adorable So that's pretty funny Oh man Um, alright So I guess that's pretty much all I have to say About that, the whole situation is Just totally unnecessary By denying it, by Fighting back against it Um It does nothing but make it worse And even as bad as it is It just ultimately Doesn't really matter You know, it's not the way I would have done it For sure, cause I don't really Um, I mean I guess I've self owned Enough times that I would have Seen this one coming Nah, you're great Speaking of self own, one last Topic for you guys today Okay, that's fine, you can go, I'll cover it, get out of here See you later Back up for order According to the product change notification document Intel is canceling This product discontinuance completely Per new roadmap decision And enabling the product long term once again This may have something to do with Intel's ongoing struggles To Produce 14 nanometer products It's a dual core G3420 without Hyper threading and it's built on The 22 nanometer process node It's 53 watts, 3.2 gigahertz Base clock, so basically it's fine for like An office machine And this change is likely to benefit OEMs Only, producing like low cost Machines en masse With the new update Intel's customers have until May 26, 2020 To put in their last orders For the G3420 With the last shipments going out December 3rd Of next year So this appears to be a way That Intel can harvest more Of their 14 nanometer Manufacturing capacity For higher performance, higher margin chips And then maybe they just had some extra Fab capacity at 22 nanometer Where they can meet some of that very low end demand Freaking hilarious Well I am So sorry Guys that today's episode was Such a complete Cluster, I apologize for the YouTube Stream cutting out midstream That means that I probably don't Really have any way of going Back and getting all the super chats But hey you never know Why don't we go through some of them together here To close out the show Dominic says, stop spamming F Thank you for that Dominic Alex, send your super chats Now, it will make them feel bad for being late I don't even feel bad I tried my Super absolute best today There was nothing I could do about it Dominic is now a member for the channel Thanks Chelsea says, rip filthy Frank What? What are we talking about? Why is everyone saying rip filthy Frank Did he die or something Something something, no more comedy videos What have you been talking about? That is so off topic Alright, Dominic spent another Another two dollars Dominic, I'm not reading all your freaking chats here dude Landon, Linus what do you use for 2FA? I use Oh man I just hate talking about this stuff Cause like honestly It was on a WEN show a long time ago I talked a little bit about our security practices And The next day I had a big problem And I'm tired of having big problems So I'm just gonna not talk about it Alright guys The information is out there UCM Rich says James rules Oh and he missed it He missed it because he failed UCM Rich says James rules Thanks Rich Spencer says you're not live on YouTube Well I am now Maybe I wasn't then Ronnie says drop something Imma drop this stream just like I did before Frank says, will you be contributing to Kyle and Paul's charity stream Yeah I guess we could Honestly to be perfectly honest with you I have been so sick and so miserable this week I had not given it a moments thought And I only found out about the stream like 2 hours ago when Paul sent me a text message and was like Hey we got a stream coming up Do you wanna like promote it on your stream And I was like hell yeah man no problem That's how that went down If I remember I will go in and I will I will drop something on it Marco says Apple is overpriced You spent $5 To send that message You wanna talk overpriced Super chats Vladislav says the wild stream begins Please no please I need sleep Here we go again Sean says you're live now it worked Thanks Sean Progogert To bring something up from a month ago or so The sweatshirt tip is on the wrong side You know what just because you brought it up we are not gonna change it That's right Ilya says 8th scrapyard wars was the worst Can you address why it turned out like that Honestly No I mean I don't really know what to tell you guys We're always trying to change it up Sometimes we change it up And we try something new and it's great Sometimes we change it up and try something new And you guys don't like it We did our best with a concept that Ultimately You know the community didn't like as much as We had hoped And if we were to ever do scrapyard wars again We would definitely change the concept again And maybe you guys would love it And maybe you guys wouldn't love it That's just the way it is with content like that We can't just keep making a $300 computer Like we did in the first one Trenton says will there be floatplane equivalents To YouTube chat Probably at some point I mean the idea Behind the floatplane chat is that it's kind of like all super Yeah A lot of people on floatplane chat are saying they liked it actually So there's that Yeah alright I will say that editing it was Extraordinary challenging compared to Extraordinarily challenging compared to usual Because there were so many cameras so many characters I don't think we would ever try to do that again Apple equals PopTechGarbage Thanks Alex Shannon Gordon Childs sent a Weird emoji I don't even know what I'm looking at Behind UWU Linus I'm going to have to look that up On urban dictionary later First time overclocking RAM and timings Any tips? Use rise in memory calculator Save yourself some hassle Lego lad play well Here's an idea water cool a PC with Compressed air That would not be water cooling That would be air cooling But that's cool Hope you get well soon says UCM Rich Thank you Nerd Dad after overcoming an opioid addiction your channel helped me rediscover my passion for tech Sick dude Love it Michael Parker thank you Rationalizer MKBHD's thumbnails aren't stupid and ugly and he does just fine with viewer volume Senior explanation but still hate them Sleeveless t-shirts by the way Aren't those called wife beaters? I don't know if we're planning any sleeveless t-shirts anytime soon No wait No the beater is just a tank top I don't know It's not on the road map As for Marques's thumbnails you're right He has a very different style from us We've tried that in some cases it works really well The phone water cooling one was an example Of sort of a more clean style Thumbnail The reality Of it though is that it's a much Longer discussion than what I can have with you guys Right now but there are Significant differences in the way that Marques structures his channel and the way that we structure ours He's more focused on Mobile tech, mobile tech and apple And we are more focused on Anything with a printed circuit board In it and for that reason We are always going to suffer Algorithmically in ways that he doesn't So his video Will get promoted very differently To a very different sort of audience Than ours does and what works for one Audience doesn't necessarily work for another With that said our click through rates Are low compared to a Cohort of similar channels We know this but it's really hard For us to diagnose whether it has purely to do With thumbnail and title or whether it has To do with our channel being such a variety show The reality of it is that Someone who's interested in a graphics card Review is not necessarily also interested In a tour of a quantum Computer chip manufacturer So there you go That's my current response Thanks Alex and Simba, thanks Chandler Wait can we stop Streaming Beat Saber on Twitch Oh I don't plan to stop doing that Don Bullitt can we get an XGamers 13970X Sorry which one's 3970X Oh that's the 24 core I think We're going to have something coming With Epic soon so Yeah stay tuned Executive says please accept this Coupon, thank you for spelling it right Towards more collabs with Madison No promises, no promises guys Michael says there are multiple aftermarket radios with Carplay Yes we did find one Alex and Simba with VR gaining a little popularity And much more competition in the market Any chance you can do an updated wearable haptic feedback Base Vest video I don't know maybe we'll see Sebastian says show me your tech tip No wait I can't do that Can't do that on Twitch Ilya is critiquing James's choice of watch Doesn't like Daniel Wellington Ok I guess Yafa says hey James just wanted to say love you Oh and he's actually gone this time Mr Someone love your content What's the best surround sound gaming headset A headphone A pair of good headphones Don't buy the ones with like Multiple drivers in them We did a video a little while ago Our surround headphones BS Anthony worked on it That kind of goes through all the different options Kersen says have you considered doing a video On the absolute most powerful PC ever That's stable and is workable for gaming and editing Actually we have Compensator 3 Coming soon Jake is working on it Quintuple says you should have used white Hydro Dip On the graphics card on the latest clean build We totally should have done that That would have been awesome And thanks for the kudos on the new office Hal says take some sick time Well you're working against me Hal You're making me read your super chat I'm trying to read all the super chats I'm trying to be nice Nubsir asked for my opinion on YouTube Rewind 2019 I think it was the safest Possible approach they could have taken I got bored Like I don't know a minute and a half Two minutes in and I tuned out I don't know what else they would have done though After the cluster that was last year I know there's people internally there That just want to kill it I think they should just kill it Just let YouTubers make their own Rewinds Marques made a Rewind, there's other guys that made Rewinds We actually wrote down we should do a Rewind in 2019 After last year And then we just didn't do it But that's fine, I contributed to Marques's So at least there's that Tommy Gunn says thanks to your Speed build vid, I knew that The MSI Aventus 2080 Ti Has a Founders Edition PCB, I was able to get a sick deal And a used one for my water cooled rig Sweet! Sebastian says When will you release the jacket from the Trees video? There's no plans to release that jacket We had that done as a Custom jacket that is LMG Staff Only. So if you look closely Whenever you see an LMG or wearing it On the sleeve is a number That's not A prison number It's actually their subscriber number So everyone At last year's Christmas party Who got one of those jackets Has the number of subscribers that the LTT channel Had on their higher date Embroidered on their jacket It was just kind of like Like a fun, cool Commemorative item For us to celebrate the milestones That we've hit since we've been working together What else We got here? Aiden says A friend of mine turned me on to your channel, sick, love it Building his own PC now David says Any thoughts on Ak Baku Kus Changing the channel name to Tech Tangents? Totally good move Love it, totally the right move It was overdue Mr. Someone, when do you think the RGB trend will die? Never. Glen Minus, why does your voice sound off? I'm sick Thanks Joseph, thanks Salty Nuts Two more, two more Jason Meredith says, just want to hear how you pronounce my name? It's easy Jason Meredith, your name is Jason It's not even spelled weird, K-A-S-O-N What are you talking about? Robert Mail says, join the LTD Minecraft server MC.LMG.GG Jake has been sidelined for like a month Working on this project, but I'm really excited About it, it's gonna be sick There will be Donations and transactions, but we're gonna try And make it not lame Because obviously our primary revenue stream Is still YouTube videos, but With how much time Jake has been and will be Spending on it, and like How much server infrastructure We're buying and leasing and stuff It's not gonna be free, I will say that Well it'll be free, but like There will be ways to Help support the servers Any updates on the Floatplane iOS app? I'd love to have one too, but Luke's not in today Any updates on PIA sponsorship? I believe they are planning to join us On the WAN show sometime in the next couple of weeks Stay tuned for that Alright Thanks for tuning in guys See you again next week Same bad time, same bad channel And my voice is dead