 eighteen two thousand thirteen and josh to post a and you have to tell rossi are you in your own process on with us we just have a frozen ross miller ross miller would have been with us today but he died tragically five minutes ago united and that's a good thing to do is bandwidth died as a human he's fine and this is the first cast we're doing a hangout because uh... this week has been saying wrong probably busy and uh... of your stress is joining us now ross is back he claims to be back you know didn't ross get a new apartment recently i'm actually no i'd present not and i would take i'm in south georgia right now though that would explain why you've been with us a terrible the south yes um... i apologize to all of our southern listeners or viewers for where you live it's pretty near so i can get can you know we're not on yet now i don't like where the southern listeners are now i don't like where the south we obviously they can't stream it right again i have no idea what's great so anyway this is the first after is that the week technology culture and what a week by the way it's been a technology culture there's a uh... uh... really pretty monumental and and by the way not over yet uh... in fact i'm working on a story right now for tomorrow uh... which i'm not gonna talk about in detail but i will say that it is a very special story that you won't find anywhere else uh... and uh... i'm very excited about it saban giving birth the year twenty c section i think it's going to go to treat live of your mind as he said about that's all eighteen hours of of of uh... six but i think it's always eighteen hours and six a that would be that would be something like why don't we where is the feature length film done in six seconds on right now yeah really store five abide and i know i'm goldberg is in these little bits but i'm saying like what's actually film the scenes as you would in an entire film just to let them out distribute them in six second chunks anyhow this is not we're here to talk about our ross what is that what are the one of the topics of the day you give the list holder here what we have to discuss uh... well we will have a special guest later talk about the big events of today you're boring everybody fairly but the place they should for a full of last night's the s four okay you guys did and you do a live thing afterwards which i really enjoyed uh... and by the way you both looks so you interest grab it so sharp yes we had a few people that green dress shirts are very worried about that green out was the thing that's that you can read a lot of people at uh... outside of his force uh... i'm glad you're there i was there uh... uh... that was cool i wanted pierce uh... in all your misery his party uh... i have to say really like mismanaged chaotic event right so it's weird i think they i think they don't like they realize that i never happens i was a very strange for sony in new york to like personally uh... that that felt that just chaotic uh... so i don't really journalistic lining up for hours outside the cold like they had bouncers so i didn't think realize that was a concert the concert venue but that's about is like shopping people like jake amin yet right where professionals where where was it uh... it was at uh... first the hammer the hammerstone really love where we do on the production is that the hammer steam ball all room with the very well uh... and we're you know people outside it was chaos and like how is it this venue can have concerts at their like well-run all the time hundreds of people going in and like so he can figure it out as they they started uh... it was very obvious immediately that they were trying to get a job on microsoft ahead of the three microsoft obviously can show new xbox this year sony is yes behind in the race a little bit of a certain that might be a bit easier reason even aways are i feel like they're compelled by something that they know it's not a risk of rumors are the microsoft is going out something right that that's like the kind of like i feel it is this floating idea right now that everybody seems to be sort of winking and nodding about that nobody really is confirmed yet or can get a good confirmation of that microsoft is inevitably going to do something before he three with a hundred and i think the sense is that microsoft is also more ready right that their console will be finished in some way ahead of sent but there are good also but they know so there are two and we want to have the audience was for this like the title of architecture it feels like a developer focus kind of it yeah right so that's what is the game developers conference when they were at the height people's like building based on making games so that was a weird thing so they you know if you saw the coverage of century did uh... they went on for two hours two hours and fifteen minutes times long it felt like it was never going to end it but it was so it was so long that i dislike at one point just sorry that i would email and stuff and then went back and they were still talking about uh... so they have a open with like ross saying that the architecture in atl soup dot pc uh... you know they're going to use an x86 processes tomorrow this is a big change you this action to the money they were making basically custom before it's and now they've done completely in the opposite direction they're basically saying we're taking off the shelf stuff we're gonna you know have a car i think this is a good custom gp right is that right and it's going to be custom ish right answer they're gonna get a job and he and he is going to make them today i was a departs makes me cost i will say this about it there's been a lot of talk about that was just like positive for a second yet there's a lot of talk about that i actually feel like this is kind of a positive for the industry where you know if i'm a developer and even maybe this is an upgrade of all i don't know if the system maybe the could be taken you can swap out a graphics card in the future you know swap out a gpu you know it because they could do that in this situation and and i think it's kind of amazing that i don't have to if i'm a developer i don't have to think like i'm gonna code for xbox pc and sony now it's like i was like x86 is where i'm headed essentially you know they're obviously major uh... issues you know you got up still port stuff but it sounded to me like one of their goals here is making the port a much easier process uh... said to me it's kind of like opens the floodgates for what developers can do in terms of designing these titles and trying to get you know great looking and great playing stuff on every platform right so that mean i think that's just a record for nintendo the p s three was a pretty much for a c difficult platforms developed for run the west of us is a unit they brought out uh... mark certainly is our head of like system architecture uh... in the u n is famous only game the polygon guys are really excited about it uh... he was there nine east a lot of time talking about how they don't need to do the cell processor with like blast rendering or whatever how it does on how they can use east commodity parts did to make a better experience but like at that moment sony hit immediately lost plot right because i hadn't they were already into the dots of developer stuff with this presentation they were very far away from how will the p s four the awesome for you to do right and then they try to get back there but they they didn't ever do it you know they showed off a bunch of like in game stop some of which we've seen so should watch dogs police on that e three yeah i'm they showed i think there's another he they showed another trailer in somebody from our staff like i envy be like just so you know this trailer is a year old for the use of annexes the square annex one that is very much like that and i would actually looked in that was that game look the worst so started off at this high point of like without amazing we can do with all these new tools as developers stop and then when they started bringing up the games the graphics actually my opinion got progressively worse yeah i saw federal that i i agree i think there was this kind of uh... uh... cheerleading about you know developers in that you know this is going to be you know uneasy platform for you to work on it to be really powerful we have the power of the cloud so i actually think just at a at a if we just back up for a second you know what they announced was anywhere i think you're going to get into this but let's look at the high level stuff right they now set by new consoles coming to be called a playstation for the p s four uh... it's going to have a for but completely redesigned u i it's gonna be very powerful based on x eighty six profit x eighty six uh... architecture there are a number of cloud-based uh... advances that they're making and i think they're kind of fascinating one of them is games that you can play while you're downloading them so my understanding is basically they're taking the guy kai technology which they bought a streaming technology game streaming technology and they're saying like we're basically in a stream this thing you download in the background that's my impression they also they also said that you could yes try before you buy which is guy kai again uh... which is in a kind of crazy to think about like we know when you want to try something before you still downloading like a multi geek yet uh... the other thing is that i think that's going to lead to a lot of impulse purchase and i know for me like it's good well i don't think a couple of ways right but then they also said that the vita you'll be able to play p s four games on your feet which is right you know just kind of in a way is like why even bother introducing a console when i just update the software on the p s three if that i think that the they can play the games rather i think it's a bit of bringing the game we have to obviously i'm saying it's pretty good but you could you conceivably do the same thing on p s three with a new controller right right so anyhow but i think that is very interesting to the the the cloud of the part they mentioned social networks they basically said you're gonna use face book or twitter or whatever to be your the way you connect with me they they they intimated that they were would be moving away from the siloed we're managing a social network more into where you have face book to can miss looking you three minutes to big social network yeah and they're and they're doing stuff with like being able to stream your games to friends and idea yet and so that's a really cool minute they showed this weird games the use the move controller that was kind of a good you playing with puppets said that's uh... not a game all too that's a letter to get it whatever it is i mean it probably will develop into something that is is some type of game probably it's a guy's a little bit plants are that it's pretty close like what they always do and i think that i think that what's interesting about that as they were kind of putting on this performance i think you can see some really cool uh... stuff that could happen in the future when you've got all this power all this processing power in live processing power and you're able to do something like put on a performance like that using avatars and stream it live and i think there's a whole new world of weird crazy shit that they're gonna get into with that which i really love so so any and then they've been out of a bunch of titles for the ps four they showed gameplay uh... what these titles you know they should some early game play they should live gameplay there now they're issued by gameplay twice they should kills for killzone yeah and watch dogs watch dogs i think more than twice that in your does okay what any rate kills and watch us to the most rapidly intense games that that i've ever seen you know you were there and i was watching on the live stream was there any lag during those games uh... when they switch so that these days demos are highly produced so what we saw as gameplay was like bracketed by big full motion video sequences today but they were but those were those were not pre-rendered those were in game we have pardoned so that i think that's what they were saying that was like a colorado there's one moment of a very distinct lag uh... i think it was during kills and when uh... it switched from video to the guy actually controlling controller okay and there is like a starter but i think everybody in the theater noticed that might not have been apparent on the lives was it but was it it wasn't like a continuous thing was just a couple of glitch kind of like yeah i mean it's in what you know i don't look great i think i mean i i what i wanted to go in from from these games was they all look uh... amazing right particularly i think kills and uh... when they there was a sequence of after-exposure as a dust in the air and that is an incredible depth of field and also fraction and that that's clearly no console can do that now then there are other parts where it was like this looks like a slightly more clear p s three uh... or slightly more clear xbox and there are other parts where i was like this just looks like an xbox or p three well it got to me was all the games are the same so that the physics in the motion and stuff that you're doing still looks at the beginning right right some of it was beautiful intense so it was real somewhat all of the personal the same yeah all of it looked like the others well i think i was in jones in the forest the shooter is the reason i think and i'll get to that but i think that you there is we're gonna have there's going to be a couple of years here where where where well then let me answer this question for me they have a new controller they show the console didn't show us the people as i said is a surest open today they uh... they showed us the controller right one of the big features control has the slight bar in the front that that uh... connects like that camera sees to move that around uh... it has a share button and has a touch uh... pat none of those games used any of those features like why i want to be interested so i use the features of this new control i think i think on the share but well i think it great but that i i i'm not sure about that actually i think that i think which came use any of the future they definitely should the touch screen being used for the show that once they should it once right at the very beginning when there is when they are insuring the controller i remember who was he actually took he's holding it like this he took his hand off and looked around using the touchpad and with the witness act this i think it was the witness no it wasn't with the i was there with us at the puzzle game uh... and he was chosen and he was that was well he was with period he took his hand off he looked around using the touchpad anybody but went back to standard control either way even if they had been using the time it was so subtle and so not important to what was happening the focus was look at these beautiful graphics in these games that we know are going to be popular we built new controller here's how we're going to write i think they weren't showing you know where it's like microsoft's last you know big announcements have been around look at this incredible innovative gameplay that we use all based around the incredible innovative gameplay this is like look at these amazing graphics and yeah we got this innovative gameplay stuff to that will show you later on but it was like a cut how awesome our graphics are and i think that is it that is a testament to you know somewhat that the history of gaming now that you they're kinda working against and i think this to your point you have a everything kinda look like a video game you're working against uh... years and years of the second grain like yours of the motion looks like yours but yet here's our characters interact and so you know i did think like a big kills a demo when it got into the actual gameplay i thought there were moments when is just like while like wow moment yeah it just felt like that the amount of texture the amount of uh... like atmosphere that was happening was just kind of overwhelming and i was really impressed by it i think you know if you look at jen and i think this is actually really good to talk about for me i played dead space the price just finished the first ed space a few weeks ago which was made into the release in two thousand and eight i'd believe which is still like but like later generation xbox game and i now playing dead space three ended the difference between those games in terms of graphics is like kind of blows my mind it's kind of like i i can't even understand how they've been able to pull out like what they've done in the newest one first like what they what we thought they're doing it that like the forefront of technology in two thousand eight you know i feel it is going to be a learning curve people have to understand what this hardware can do that always happens but but i think what's most striking about the announcement last night is and what i was struck by a d three this year when i i'm constantly kind of like blown away by is incredible lack of imagination the game developers seem to have when it comes to when it comes to what their games are going to be about right no matter what it is did david cage in beyond two souls uh... kills own obviously uh... the was that was that i hope watch dogs the drive club is a driving game you know that i have a driving games uh... it was infamous and there's what they knew it was a infamous right it's all like yours it's gonna happen okay you're going to be somewhere you can't you can shoot something out of your hand or you can shoot something out of a gun it's gonna be in somebody's is keep that bullet or that beam of energy is going into somebody's hat that's just going to happen that's the way the game is and what's so weird to me is even like uh... beyond two souls it's it's the premise of the game seems like this happens like but it feels like that you know the setup could allow for all kinds of really amazing different things happen and maybe it will but at the end of the day that it's like okay here's the hook you get a shoot people and kill people in like below stuff up by this time it's a girl or like this time it's a little girl it's like this without it it is capcom game remember me where it's like during futuristic new york airs you've got to take down the government this time you're a female and i just feel like there are so many things you could do in the game there i mean you haven't even has anybody ever tried to do anything different in the game okay it's either like shooting or it's like that the parade stuff where it is like this whimsical magical weird like the island is and i don't know if the witness was right away this week it looks great looks really cool but it was out it's like this is the best update to miss that is ever right straight it's like why not show me a game with the with the visual complexity in the world of watch dogs where you know i'm a you know i i'm a you know the empty or something and i'm like literally doing surgery on people at crime scenes or something like we're on the drive around the city any i'm just like whatever give me a game where you do other things besides shoot people and then why it was my voice has been the disconnect between the plots of the these games and the system that they're running on so sony is like their deep in the social the deep into obviously online distribution is really big for the case for so they're going on and on about how there's a camera sitting there it's watching you it's watching a controller so that's weird uh... it monitors activities what you like what you're buying what your friends are like what you're playing with your friends so in the world russet pre-downloads games that might think you think you might want to buy so that we impulse buy the games are either waiting for you so it's a learning about it it's like consumer paradise manifesting this consumerism how you like now it's like all the games are like in a world where everything is a camera yeah i don't think that the the the the way where where this is happening i love the i love you i love the new theme of games now they're like always been noticing this privacy stuff happened in the days of the surveillance of like the best one was the game was the game it was infamous three or whatever yeah it's like the guy comes out he watched all the time but and it's like all the setup like wow this is real drones and this is serious heavy political somewhat okay this is political intrigue this is you're talking about humanity like what where we had it what if humans began to mutate with superhuman power and did what it what if we actually like i don't know i'm not saying that you're gonna play a game where you're the president there whatever though i have to say if you create a game with the visual complexity and the complexity in terms of the world of something like watch dogs and i had to play as the president actually doing presidential stuff but that would have a cool get my guy would be into that way i think everything every morning that they could really make a decision about the policy but actually walk like to the you know the west wing and stop at like you know i feel like i are a lot of us and actually walk into the west wing it was five minute why the people that are talking about talking around well you know real quick let's let's let's let the earth getting in for a talking to the other very patient waiting for us to for a year can hear you on the idea that i don't use of did i'm such a new yet uh... i i i i i i i i here diary shut up either where is it get it up get up right now you have one you've got to chrome pixel did i'm not a census scum around here it is like a deer deer open it up of touch over there touch the big awesome show us the money show us that three two screen it was a really book i love it on i love it but he's touching something but it is not going to represent anger birds that's touching it's good look at this this is the future and i don't have to talk to your on the main one right okay so i i i playing birds it's um... now people can select the light you know you can do that at the end of the play-in-the-song later here's the thing like it the hardware it looks really good i mean it's like it's incredibly like square it's the same thickness all the way through from front to back square squares it's worth making a comeback it's is gunmetal finishes you know it should look keyboard uh... and then back on the track back with keyboard back with keyboard aria uh... the touch screen i mean the it's was a twenty five sixty by seventeen hundred i think is the uh... the other side of the theater does it does it do do this does it have any notice that i have a read all the stuff you read on does it have this new notification thing that we saw this notification pop up in chrome o-s it is not an it but i think it's a good word is waiting for like a update on it on the ground uh... but this is a natural asin's the crime as i have a micro book right now but i think it's the updates coming very soon so can you tell me that all these some of the answer but i thought it's uh... yet so that that the touch screen like they've got to have a bad years and doing something weird with the inertia on it but it's terrible uh... or you know chucky it was the same way when they were demoing the photos live on stage but check this out when i go to the touchpad and do it it's the only awesome and fast and fun doesn't make any sense what is that what is the cpu in that so it's an intel core i five i don't know the clock speed and it's got i think thirty two but i think that they do uh... data storage and on the ground what's discussed the most important spectator how much is that been cost so this is the verizon l t e version and so it costs fourteen hundred and forty nine by itself i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i only version is uh... thirteen hundred dollar talk about our talk about this guy i want to real talk here for a second ok real talk why why who is the per person who is the person i look by the way i want one don't get me wrong you know but i have like a stack of things that i wanted city and neck to my right you know that regret buying who is the person like this back tracks who is the person who's going to spend thirteen hundred dollars on eric schmidt people who work eric and marvin schreier that google people re-enterable to be a push you push our production line because eric schmidt wants a wanted thirty-one newt that that that that's that my my personal conspiracy theory about uh... the nexus line on android is they needed to make a high-end phone for their own political employees to use develop and read on and they'd so they need to make like ten thousand of them as a leader of the developers night but the hell it's just make a hundred thousand and i think it's a little bit this a crumble pixel to me some sounds like a developers nightmare net no developer uses a chrome book i mean how how could that all of the web developers i mean you're a pro book developers he i think i don't know if the developers are using probos i just feel like in the behind the crazy i don't understand it i would touch screens are anything special about the touch screen like new functionality is there any incident it's touch screen they are a third you know developers to support you can't get to them on the other hand i don't understand what is it is not going to sing i'm sure there is somewhere that there's multi-touch like some photos after something that i haven't found yet noticing is like it's a big middle finger from erich mitten google to microsoft they could just turn around and crank out a laptop it's highly spec it looks good i've is a trackpad any good you know here's an idea what i tried to get on this way so i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i really good trackpad i think that they've grown as a nice screen uh... and they're like this three microsoft this is the future like that i think that they can see something cdm is super nice design new hardware design right yes i language for them kind of with this boxy look super high resolution display uh... very fast with very respect at responses l t i think they i think they messed up on where to put this this back so i think this is the big x this is the new nexus designed a couple of people forgot there like does the l t go in the nexus or the thirteen hundred or chromebook i can't remember of the chromebook is our forty-one how do you convince rising but l t in this piece of junk in our right how how how can i can buy this how come i can buy this off contract and use it on the rise in l t but i can't buy a nexus off contract to use it on the rise in l t did it said he did it i want to ask them that question did they give any indication of who this is for who's gonna buy a thirteen hundred dollar laptop that only runs from i mean everybody asked him that question over and over again and the answer is you know people who look want to live in the cloud that is a lot of people that live in the cloud want that terribly storage yet by the way this is the uh... the chromebook never that very early on the like you can drop it you can break it what if you lose it it's like what if you lose your fourteen hundred or rainbow your out so we should have a book though this is really funny a few people treated as a so comes in three years of one terabyte of google storage and yet we will drive which is great i think that would cost you eighteen hundred dollars you should pay for but that is so arbitrary because you know that storage actually cost google zero dollar it doesn't mean anything about that that's almost like price states so i i i don't know if you can you i think i had a time of might might chance to ask questions came around i had two questions uh... to everything else or even ask the first one was uh... i'm making a profit on it they say yes they are and the second one is a he's but yet but they're wearing making it they're making it in taiwan that's not a u.s. made device of like the the next few and look you know chrome can do for you it can integrate you into do services and can browse the web which has tons of google ads on it why do they need to make a profit on this product well forget about that the better question is not about whether they're making a profit on the better question is who is this for like how i mean yes they say it's for whatever but let's talk about what's going on the competitive landscape okay for a thousand dollars i can buy the macbook air which is a very kids what i'm using as that for the thirteen inches nine ninety nine now it's the last eleven eleven and jacqueline thirteen inch but okay for the same price well twelve ninety nine for the at the thirty nine is eleven ninety nine for the president what is it because i mean tell me how we had a staff of people who knew about technology i don't know if you're on the other side here you can actually is right behind us nine eight four pictures now others are last eleven ninety five they are yes it's eleven ninety nine eleven ninety nine i prefer twelve hundred bucks i can have completely cable fully realize laptop or whatever it is that the screen is it is a touch screen is a high resolution but he does about i'd say roughly a million times more things then what a chrome book does it and look i've tried to use a chrome book as my main computer and it's just like kind of doesn't cut the monster i mean yet there's a bunch of stuff that's missing so people on our staff who use from a cherry drain and chris siglitz and both of my i love it like why do you love it i was like because it can't do anything else but i have to around i have to do work because i work in google docs like all it can do is type the migrant that's not a good reason so it is what fourteen ninety nine right now or if there is this it's twelve ninety nine for the wife i only model or you can pick her up more can get the retina macbook pro at the same specs which is also bonkers like so what here's an idea just run full screen chrome on on that i think i think i think exactly the same experience the uh... at this thing i mean i'd like i like the chromebook idea things to do a few things to make it more like an actual computer here's the things i don't have a problem don't have a problem using gmail in a you know instance right don't have a problem with browsing instance don't have a problem if you have a good i r c client there now seems to be one that you can use in a browser don't have a problem with that but there's a bunch of stuff missing like ground notifications or notifications of any type you'll get anything like that there's nothing that plugs into the court or services of uh... of chrome as a as an o-s you know yet so that you're missing all this extra stuff all these things that i do that i use fantastic al which is like you know a menu bar item that i can quickly access my calendar uh... you know it's it automatically back up my stuff to drop off to my google drive and rob on setup that's not something you can really do it's like yeah you can go get your stuff but you really can't uh... you can access it like you would have been normal file system so it's a basically you are it's still very much that browser experience for thirteen hundred or fourteen hundred dollars and it's really you really pushing your luck on how much i'll accept a non-complete i'm not going to run powerful three games like i can actually game on my computer i wanted to they won't look that great but there's the option you know it is whatever i can play that any tablet in the world i think that google's maybe hoping that this is that they've got to connect problem across they need real stuff developed for it and they might have the hooks and a p i is necessary to make that happen but they don't have you know widespread adoption especially with people using it as their main machine and so i think they're just there like who is this for i think it's for developers to use chromo class so that they can move that state-of-the-art forward on a so that it actually does become a viable competitor to other operating systems i think that i you know what they're hoping i'd like to know is that our business located and they located within google having selling this thing and our stand if that's the case why are they seating this thing for free to everyone here's what i said why did you just take why did you just take nexus ten with the resolution of the screen access ten twenty five sixty by like six super high super high near just take that screen blow it up a little bit and give me some option to be able to run like android and chrome on the same thing i think is that you're an android in mike even uh... in environment so it was from a last but there's android next to it yeah i would change the my entire conception already does something just give me something here you know give me the android notification system in chrome a last you know let me plug in like okay here's my phone number in my you know here's my google voice account or something like where google voice would be enough let me plug in you know mike whatever my all my accounts are them are resigning in with in some way this is the king of the multiple account stuff in chrome a last yet right now you can you can log out of your account log into somebody else's account and that's not what i was talking about a lot of my on my android device if i have six gmail accounts i can log in with all the negative notifications for all of them and they're all in my singing about you know i mean like that unified inbox but all this stuff is connected somebody uh... messages me on g chat on one of my other accounts you know it shows up on my phone it's all this like which i had a great about android phones that collects all of your stuff into one place whereas you can even do anything that basic on a on a chrome on a chromebook so it's like just give me some of the andrej functionality justin's really a d is behind andrew to make this thing better right now it's just you just out of the touch screen in a ton of money right yeah i mean you're the it'd be great if the chrome or steam in the end routine like hung out and have lunch more often than i had tried to you know i think the if they actually got into the what is the decision they have any answers beyond for people who want to live in the cloud people in the cloud man that's the same answer for people who have the other chromebook yes that's what we got a lot of the cloud on this and like uh... thousand less dollars is that what what a complete i mean this is a fail and i just say it like this will go down in the like i guarantee you you know it's not everybody at microsoft laughed to do all today yeah everybody at each p in battle battle on the floor people have also got a apple they have a day off a gap of ways of the rest of the day off to the last to steal a laughter yeah i think i like that today now i'll see if this i've talked to michael about this yesterday and uh... and we're talking about the prep you hear me i think it might just go out is working red looking around well it's not sexy so we're talking is that what do you think if this is the you know if there's gonna be a chromebook this from a pixel is on the video forty think it'll cut be really expensive as a man there's no way to the whole thing about chromebook has been like it's super affordable you know even at the top end of chromebook it was like five hundred four hundred five hundred bucks you know and i was like now they're gonna i think if this is any more than like six hundred box seven hundred box at the highest and like that's how they're gonna kill it they're gonna be like super high resolution touchscreen and it's six hundred dollars i could not believe this price myself today i was like how is this in any way like an advantage now like all this stuff being the same if you said yet and it's who less than a thousand less than eight hundred you would start to be interesting so i'm gonna use this thing but rockets well i'm excited to use it it'll be fun to play with but there's no like single feature that makes you go all yes that makes it worth it if they if it had come out the main thing for me that what would make sense to me is that this thing have like legitimate ten twelve hours of battery life rising legitimately lasted that long ago well this kind of makes sense but it's just you know it's like it's just like a laptop on the any one anyone single thing that was better than anything else so we just got this tweet uh... uh... uh... although it's a new i just want to fail other targeting the creative class video editors photographers and developers yeah i don't know where your you're talking about this period there is no there are no video editors or professional photographers i would talk to you we touch a chrome book with a ten-foot pole shot it's nice to be a background you see it taking photos and like processing with other chromebook speaking of the time i had your luck yes you're about this creepy feature you you plug in an sd card and it will automatically import all your photos that's cool and then we'll automatically upload them to google plus uh... their private okay i guess that's cool but then you go to a plus to like that you know the up event you just uploaded they go through and they analyze your photos and the the check off the ones they think are good and they give you an option on back to share all of those but we got a really amazing hold i want to put this to eat can i put this in our chat others we get to see image up on screen here but we just got an amazing yes i was going to tweens rub from the from somebody who's listening to you got it to do it was addressed to you know uh... can we get this image on screen uh... i don't know how like this should be a way and hangouts to do this is a street share option but i'm not that it's chairman tears now and i want a second let's try something here i could i could pick up my webcam and point out but i thought i'm trying to hang out to a box you know the third just put it as a lawyer custom overlay here we go on this is an area that this is the end and redid ridiculously awesome on our job monocle ways and i have a figure drags my desktop so she can do i went for the last so we've already gone beyond that she doesn't this much effort that work there it is that's pretty grainy other days we're seeing this uh... you members of our hangout yet it's a little bit schmidt stream and this is a this is a final utilization of the the israeli these pressures are so perfect for a topic conversation i look stoned well are you stoned i mean maybe it's a first-time they have a so so what else is there to say about the group of the crumbly fail here's my question we have to have the lights for the other end of class let me let me ask a question of laptops come on let's see a question so we've now seen both google and microsoft uh... proceed with their like hardware vanity projects right right now what was your other half occur with pixel or service rt service rt or search for a service rt while unit price wise that that that come cause i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i get to pick one service rt or a little pixel that's a hard one uh... i'm gonna say we are t on a city arty as well i think it's not either is the arty has some okay i can get i can run do they have chrome for our t if you know uh... you have to use our intended for all and being it's tough right it's a non-easy started a recent call book for more so you reconsider you guys break the chrome book down into parts i mean here's the thing honestly i mean honestly actually what i'd want to do with with the service i mean it's like i can't really use it because again ergonomically it stinks you not from a pixel provisional they are out if it was a lot of i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't need a laptop to uh... to play angry birds right to run outlook i need a laptop to do like work ran and if i can put on my lap and type comfortably or put on a desk inside comfortably that's like it out of my face and i know i can with the surface and that's my biggest crap about the arty you know besides lack of any kind of viable ecosystem at the moment uh... and its owners and it's not that you know but whatever i mean if it if it if it was just the felt like a good nice comfortable laptop to use a billy yeah let's do this on so so i have to say i think i give the pixel also at the break the brag factor the pixel it's like it's like buying in you know it's like buying some hideously ugly old car important like a sensor we report engine in it yet i think it looks like a tree we put from like ninety eight dealers from japan and he's a back to you know that throughout the past uh... i would i i would uh... struggle over the station i'm struggling right now uh... it's faster from the pixel super fast uh... but create this is not gonna replace a laptop for me a real laptop and that was probably national key that same thing it's not a real laptop but there you go it's not a laptop it's a chrome yeah so i need to have a secondary device i wanted to have a ridiculously long battery life and the when our tea it's a little bit slower but it has a longer battery battery life is more better life is better i gotta say we want to but i have on the pixel so i say i would say it's over five hours and so realistically that's only three hours so i'm sorry i can i just say i'd rather have an ipad at this point i think it is not a that's not a choice but it's a lot of hundreds five hundred bucks it does more than both of those combined yes it was it's actually here's a good question i can run chrome on my retina display ipad uh... which has pretty much the same pixel that's thanks it seems to stop yourself or you know it does not have what is their answer for why you shouldn't just get a retina well chroma slur on the ipad because it doesn't get the fancy javascript engine and the other chrome apps yet it doesn't matter because the far east in ridiculously fast and there's a handful i can run tractor dj and i think that i mean you know i got a mass effect in my complaint my ipad they were back in there is a huge uh... silent majority of people who desperately want to give all of their data all of their information do that based everyone on the internet hello might be a good day does not be issued to whatever you want you have might take my data please just give me something to like that is really good to do with it like in the place that i can really utilize my data you need even a good look last and she thought it was honestly i would i think the chromebook would be more useful for from a business perspective to me than an ipad okay like if i had to take one of the like you're going on a trip you gotta write you need to x y and z you can have a chromebook or an ipad i would take the chromebook yes i've had won't be as useful to me uh... but but i think that but i think that that's not the debate anybody's mother debate people are having it whatever electric it is a real laptop just this isn't i mean it doesn't do all the things my laptop can do it does a lot of them not as well which is like thanks for nothing and they didn't make maybe you'll just do i compete with the chromebook partners they're like we've got a not do with samsung is one of them a quorum we've got a lot of your whatever it is a key by not making a product people want to buy you know that's how you don't that's how you you failed to compete right i i don't know if you know maybe they're like samsung has everything from because since i'm it's worth three hundred are crumble right right as it was like it's getting it's and it's good that the three hundred our crumble is actually really good so maybe you'll just like we can make a five hundred i mean samsung's chromebook is actually been it's probably the third most excellent laptop in my house right now behind the is this a crazy behind a macbook air and del xps thirteen with the ten eighty display running event here uh... so here's the bottom line on the chromebook reveal deal joke that we used to make when we were doing windows laptops is four hundred dollars more you get a macbook air with the chromebook for a hundred dollars less you can get back okay which is which is bonkers like just and i get it high resolution but but was generally at the event that are had just explode and there was you know i think that there are this is a very now there she she was i thought she was traveling last night so i don't know where she is today okay but i mean this is just wrong i mean somewhere she's she's looking at it is a mere deeply into a mirror has exploded so i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i yeah uh... alright so so we never quite i i feel like we should get that we never finish our p s four conversation railway also it on it tim is the i thought a couple of things to we have you know but everything is a fail can i try to track us what was it you know i just failed each is he wanted to act on a story began the beginnings of a long failed process of the p s four uh... in this program but is like it's like a comedy fail it's like a it's a little like playing jokes on i think here's the things that that so i don't think the p s four the fail at all by the way i i can say that i i i i i i didn't show hardware but i think that in no way suggest that this is a failure for them i think that you know what it comes down to is how great is it when it's actually available you know is is Microsoft releases i mean they're gonna show i mean maybe they'll show some of the allure room which is just a mind-bending thing and if they do that then so he's gonna have to answer why are you creating a and and this immersive environment at that as different and weird as what sony's doing and and okay that's going to be a problem for sony that doesn't mean it's only can capture the market that it's after and it clearly is after a hardcore gaming market here uh... the question is when it comes time to make a decision here what's their price what's their content offering look like uh... whether part of the graphics that got next to the other guy and are they actually introducing any really truly innovative and useful and fun gaming experiences are is it same old same old i don't think they have anything is precluding them from from offering great stuff i think that so i think that this is a i think they're the way they did their announcement was bizarre i think that they left left a lot of people disappointed by not showing hardware virus sony i would have showed it of version of it of render i it's not it's not even ready so they'd know i mean but they must have some idea but the hardware if look if they're if it was easy and if they were beginning of march right now okay uh... we're in the week range here when i say it's gonna be holiday twenty twenty that means november at the latest there's no possibility they're doing this earlier than november or later then for christmas shopping so we're talking like black friday right so so november twenty whatever the date is going to be so if you're you know you only have handful of months you don't know what your industrial design is going to look like you're designed the controller you don't have a pretty far along version of your of what your hardware will actually look like they could show an empty box it doesn't matter going to matter i think is to say like here it is it's real it's going to go into your living room underneath your t v or whatever i think that's not a big deal i think it's a minor thing but it's a little bizarre me week we have a quote that that they gave to all things the jack trotting it all things did it said we don't have final spectrum design that to me is more worrying than the idea that right off the top of the and you know my favorite thing in c s was so we had a four k player there was fake it was a it was a aluminum circle with a light and then behind it like hidden behind the screen was a dell p c it was actually has a gas about it uh... in your cell i was saying last night we uh... we got snuck backstage to find a controller to looking for it and like so we have like mass act there there's like an army of people like running all this stuff yeah it was like okay like i get it's not ready in a demos but the reason i i just don't think that they didn't say anything beyond this will play video games right into anything of beyond this will play video games on your zeta which is by the way the beat is a fail where's the peace we get to play all the games on your sony these little more interesting the beat is a little more interesting now that i know i can play a position for good you know it's even more interesting the be able to play those things on some of these android tablets which are far more useful than the market happen though yeah you can do that we can do that without the controller memento lose the control your honor but but let's just say this i think so we can put a cap on some of these conversations to give us a other fails the top but this only the sony and now that was not one hundred percent of fail but i have bullet major concerns about their readiness to release a new console you know and and whether or not that consoles can provide a trip truly dramatic uh... dramatically different experience so crumble pixel not a fail if it was seven hundred box six hundred bucks not a failed undercut the competition that it was the people it was competing against which is pc laptops the surface and macbook air uh... and it doesn't undercut any of those guys in any way it doesn't offer anything they're not offering for last or and it doesn't say like you've got to have it even though it's a little more because it it's got this crazy new features coming there i don't understand that that was just confusing me the uh... we just have of the other side but if you say did you think this is a fail i'd at why why do you think that because i don't need for port of home here my phone you can't you know i think it's the lights yeah you have a good idea of some of the htc one is the new flagship phone let me or please have you hear for what that is ten eighty p super fast android device with their new the big deal about those they have a brand new uh... skin called sense five yes completely has a lot of the other big deal is the camera this on the camera and it's okay ultra pixel camera the idea is that the name stuff now yeah it is a going to a standard eight megapixel sensor it's technically a four megapixel sensor but the the pixels are bigger so they can take in more light uh... it's less if they can do more interesting stuff because it doesn't they don't have to spend as much time processing out noise uh... i'm actually pretty excited for the camera i think that if as long as people don't get freaked out that it's only four megapixels i think it's going to be an idea of the summer where you i think that i think what they're doing it with that is great you actually it's funny cuz my calm last night release the new version the camera has i did he said as i was to be seven hundred it's funny because instead of giving it more low light performance the increased the megapixel count and i was disappointed i get it i think that's really important phone camera that you can take pictures in the dark with that that will become like the most important camera spec yeah of all over to be able to take pictures in any situation i think it's right so i'm gonna i'm gonna get totally flamed for this but i i use the camera for about five minutes and pretty in the low light situation and uh... you know i was taking like i would take pictures in the light like a regular human not like i know what i'm doing with cameras and i'm gonna say that it uh... in that in that short time it seemed to do a slightly better job than the movie nine twenty that's that's it i have been asked right now you can you can we sit elsewhere the funeral of the people that i really i really i'm sorry that it had ended this way but uh... you know i love you longer and i love you man and real it's tough to see you go but you have to leave the area looking at you are only looking on the street right yeah that's the other thing so you think is like ridiculous right but once last time you look at a high megapixel but no i think that's what i think whenever like you're going to do it i think that we still have to pick up it's going to be a fact that right exactly but when i see a of of of phone that has like a thirty megapixel camera i'd just no it's gonna be terrible it's always bad uh... but we have a problem with the this of the new skin basis for a general screen you can check a box to have it be off to the left instead of it being your main home screen uh... but i don't know it's kind of so here can i say this thing about blank feed and then point out to josh's point one of the she sees big lines from this entire event with the one was we're not marketing ourselves correctly like nobody knows we are we need to be more out there at the brand what we provide consumers and the way they're doing that is by giving everything it's stupid me like it's a good thing i don't know how to do it but not what's alike htc blank feed is the new home screen that the airport the speakers are referred to as htc boom sound uh... inner cap that's not yet but i think it's terrible also they have a partnership with beats so it's like htc boom sound with the beats which is terrible they have like of buying kind of app called each easy so we is basically personal though is the word knows only that's a good no it's basically a the worst note for the camera right now it's twenty a mile first mode with uh... video that you record at the same time it could both at the same time and so you can take any video and pull out a still from it and it doesn't look like a still for the video it's actually a full but it's a bit but at the end of the day at the end of the day uh... you know i understand but i understand it through this separate features aside understand the need for naming a product and you want people to know you want to know the your cameras different sound with beats audio okay boos that is really bad but i want to know i actually was asian sounded and yes yes i we just told you what htc series what is htc so that what is it it's uh... but first of all that i have a result of a lot of doing uh... servers are like the better not doing this correctly that better question is what let's i mean this is the thing that i think we need to start the question needs to be answered what consumers want me why is samsung succeeding with android and other companies are failing uh... what are they doing that maybe giving them a look like the i found that they were not price and that's not airing commercials i don't think that's it yeah i think it really like the right but i think that first part right that that that first click when it was samsung written out of their copy apple was much anymore but i think for a minute they really did they were on verizon the item was on the horizon they were that alternative to the i found rights yeah i think that was a really big deal but so is motorola i mean you know i think in some way moral of the first but i didn't want to join with the drug was marketed against but i think in and also in some way like this whole apple versus and something has kind of so it's really i think it's all the people who are your predisposed to not like apple i think they don't like apple for some reason that like oh i finally have a company that can champion right you know my side of things you know i find a microsoft in phones even the microsoft has found running the new york was accurate like we know that more over samsung moral was the guys phone like it was the balls the wall guns out but we're talking to a commercial still in the back of the scene of the new jorda racer max commercial ferrets but what would you do with thirty two hours about life images using on people looking tough and they don't ever say what they're going to do that that's a very good idea about what you can imagine it i think it's a good idea but i think i think nobody can think of something i'm gonna wait here until i die like it is no i don't know what but i think but i think that uh... i think that okay fine but i think that you have to start asking the questions these companies you start asking questions uh... what consumers actually want and why aren't why isn't working for us you know there are real there are real questions the answer but so you know she's always on here for playing that you know i can't hear your blinking uh... like that's a a strategy question addressing josh and he sees answering it with a tactical answer so the way to think of blink feed is the way that you think of the uh... gigantic flip clock that they used to put on sense and it's all about the in-store experience someone watching the store they see this thing on the home screen like who that looks pretty i want that that's what link feed is it's so that when you walk in the storm play with the phone there's something cool right there on the phone that that reps can't really screw up because it's built-in but it's about selling the phone in store and you know if it's actually useful to users later great but i personally don't think htc cares are thinking about the in-store buying experience but i think that's that i think that's a problem i think they have to figure out how to make a phone that's better than the galaxy s three then i you know are we assuming out his force coming out next month yeah as i have a pretty much fourteen we had sources right march fourteen uh... samsung is like slowly but surely getting better at the software right like you there they know that that's a very weakness to well resources against it htc places like rebooting right there like you know let's start over with this football thing and that's not what you are now sitting you can do the homescreen you know laura has an htc found that that she really loves and i don't i can't stand but they didn't interface incense was a lot of stuff that is bothers me she really likes it i see places where you i get it i know why somebody would like this better and it just works more like you expect a phone to work but she has the uh... the one s right uh... the yes they're a no e but you know why people like that phone because it's it's of a size that is smart animals normal size of four inch phones and i'm glad to question for peter chowdhury this year htc was why don't you make a small firm if you're so i don't know what's uh... it is it is it is a lot of it is that there's a disappointing out response i just want people to make it reasonable size time i think the blackberry the four point two inches like a pretty good you're in the range of like this is a pretty good size i remember thinking four point three inches about as big as i ever want to go to the general the figure out you know i don't know i don't know i don't have a i don't know a route to the flight that's my home uh... i i just uh... i just want people to actually think about what what consumers really want to need in their lives instead of stuff that you think they want me to think that's the problem is that there's a lot of assumptions the glintsy me i don't have market research they've done that is going to be the thing that's been missing from everybody's life you know i think it's like this live tiles argument it's like let's present information better like okay i'm all for that was present information better but you actually show me a better way to present information before you raise your your office is flipboard you know people really love it returns is flipped and select you're like here's a scrap the other flipboard and you're out of your way and i don't know and also just like what is what are you actually trying to get out there that is news the thing that you know here's what i found that's most interesting uh... and you know i have two funds now one is an anti-nice full-time iphone and right uh... and and i have found increasingly just increasingly annoyed with uh... with the hunting and the weird like you know interface discrepancies on the iphone right and and in on android what i've noticed is that i moved less and less interacting with icons and lists and i'm interacting with my notifications i'm interacting with when i when i unlock the phone for self i see what do i have right my notification light actually tells me what i have before i unlock it right i've different color notification lights of that i get information right away without having to think about it then i unlock it and i see emails from here tweets whatever other you know calendar stuff that is kind of the way i'm moving through my phone and then that's leading to other actions right that's a branch of action so it's like so i don't have this in some are in our forums uh... i don't remember who was uh... i don't remember when i read it but some of the air forms is like it's weird because i feel like android is becoming more and more about in integrated ls and the iphone is going more and more about apps pulling in different directions yet and which is valid like they're different knowing not only that but the apps themselves are are have functionality that is did completely wildly different you know you look at it now like mailbox which feels it doesn't feel like impact the way other i was at act it has a totally different like a swipe to delete is actually a swipe one a little bit to do something it's right further to do something else and becomes this like okay but i'm used to swiping and i get the little thing and now i'm just swiping away and i don't do it long enough it does something else it's like but but in there's no cohesion there but i know not to bash i a l s dallas has a lot of great but i'll say this if i want to take a picture or browse there is no better device than the iphone there is no better mobile device in my opinion for straight up route web browsing and straight up photo taken at this point i think that's the issue that you should download tractor dj for that uh... are anything that's the guy who times of massive tractor dj you're hilarious you should be should place the weekend you're cracking me up all you know we can run traveling to l a two-dash what do you have a plan to use of going to write i have something to write on the plane so thank you risk racy john i'm a dj we can laugh i have to say i don't have a cap that can't exist on android but it does on the ipad the talk you know they're all about having there's something you know i ask you to do but i think that i think that uh... right so but anyhow but the point is i'm increasingly you know my experiences in my interactions i think this goes for a lot of people are increasingly cute off of stuff coming into that it's not like i gotta go into this happened to x y and z like you know that's a very specialized surfing you're doing i need to make a list i need to play a game i want to listen to music but these are not these are not what you do all day long it's like talking to people it's tweeting it's i am it's uh... email it's browsing right in those are like these weird branching experiences we start with one place in the usually lead to something else and and andre has found a way to connect us up i think better than anybody right now and and it doesn't feel disconnected we're moving through i was totally feel disconnected but the thing i look at the one i think like you know what if this does all that stuff great that's great if this may have to want to sit they took away the multi-tasking button who will now is that it's fine but they have a double tap the multi-task and that doesn't bother me you know i was going to hear that's gone i know it's not a double tap the home but i will have it up it's been it's a much better multi-tasking what the actual was to you're right so that's why and i use it all the time and it's totally fine to read of nine frozen appstates so dear they hold it down to do google now it's totally fine but anybody can get used to that the question is connect all of my experiences when i bring the branch will it help me branch better and faster and easier when i need to share what help me share better and faster and easier and that you can effectively and i think samsung is done a lot of that stuff it's one of the reasons people like what they're doing is that despite how much i hate interface they actually have started to connect a lot of those branch experiences that it's like that thing where they did he'll find your face but friends and photos that you take it back on the stuff right where that's actually a real world use of the kids if people needing that in wanting that that's a dinner we'll i wish wrap this up here's a lot of question you played the phone this is a major break for a cc right at this time is in a success i don't know that a cc has a lot of shots left yet as they want they won't like they won't go out of business right away at this point is a success but like yeah i think i think this is their best shot at coming back uh... and i think that it's not going to be easy and i think it's probably not going to work and i think it's a large part because rising said thanks but no thanks to it so they're only in the end of the carriers in the u.s. well verizon will be the make them a can do it and right book and dvd right because that's what they have not as a and they like to largely similar they're going to do their own as a leader though they'll do some something with the dvd and they got the dvd and now i'm sure they'll do some other joint branded thing but that doesn't help htc is a company doesn't help them build mindshare and branch here and they need that right now because people think i you either get and i phone or a galaxy and he she she needs to just get back in that conversation and rises are helping him do that by the way this service and this is is apples apples reacted to the all i got a day for all that's a good idea for all of the images that is saying that that i didn't get it and i believe it that's not right there like it here and and what the price twelve ninety nine that well it's later passed out on the floor for hysterical laughter and i don't know we know we should start wrapping up so yeah we should i know what you're doing a short one today because i'm in the middle of writing something very excited about if you are a reader of the verge tomorrow i'm gonna have something very special uh... that no really no one else i think will have uh... and and i don't know if you get there and they'll be awesome video with it i'm excited about that to get ready and and operate we can hints tonight or tomorrow and and anyhow but so i have to get to write and we have to be a stop to get a shoot it's very exciting we're going to our new office you guys we're going 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talk about to ask the final call google glass yet we have a very very they put some stuff out without talking about we finally sell google glass looks like uh... you know i think this is a story that's that's still developing and they were gonna hear a lot more about it in the near future fifteen hundred dollars but i think about well for people who are allowed into that program which is like a creative will be creatives what's not just such and suffer creators it's for people who go mountain climbing alright the adventurous ventures and normal people people who are just doing regular stuff like picking up the kids in one capture special moments the creepsters people creep creep creep shots people who do you have shots for a little bit uh... and and that's the first cast kept it to the first cast of everything is fail and we're gonna look at you when you don't know that's incredibly tight our long verge cat nearly an hour long verge cast i'll be back next week are we doing mobile 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