 and Welcome to the WAN show ladies and gentlemen. We're a little bit late, but At least we got the video done, right? No, no, we didn't we didn't actually it was all for nothing really frustrated But the least that we can do is give you guys an update on what exactly it was that had us so gosh darn busy We're finally doing it Alex has been chasing me to make this video pretty much since he started we are doing a thermoelectric cooled computer, but instead of doing it kind of the like the the janky way Well to be clear. It's still janky, but It's probably the jankiest thing we've ever made But what it isn't is the stupid way of doing it true. Yeah, so it's it's it's It's janky, but it's like the right way But also it it's the right way to like do it from a Peltier perspective But we have this like box that's filled with electronics That's going to have it has AC power and like 600 watts going through it, and it's so sketchy Yeah, it's pretty sketchy. So we've got a great show for you guys today Of course the big headline is Apple allowing third parties to repair iPhone so we'll get into that we also want to talk about the Some serious nerd drama that's going on with Global Foundries issuing a lawsuit against TSMC so these two chip fabs are going toe-to-toe and Finally AMD apparently agreed to pay out $35 per chip over their FX series marketing lawsuit that is Actually a pretty interesting actually all three of these have a ton of meat So let's go ahead and get dug into them after we remember for a change to roll that intro Brought to you by Savage Jerky private internet access and and chrono.gg All right So it has been a pretty busy week the first thing I saw on the chat there was people were like where's Anthony and you know What that's pretty rude I haven't been on WAN show in a couple weeks, and if we just had Alex and Anthony doing it Then I'd feel pretty left out no they meant they meant instead of you But but actually Anthony is really busy so Alex and Anthony have both been working on really really cool projects this week So Alex has been doing the Peltier one that we just talked about so it's like a what 545 watt Peltier Yeah strapped directly to the top of the CPU unfortunately didn't quite get that one done But at least you got further than Anthony with his But his is really cool, too, so This gets talked about sort of every once in a while And then the new cycle passes, and we all ignore it again But I don't know if you even realize because you don't do our CPU reviews or really any of our legitimate Actual you know cooler reviews you're more like okay build the most overkill thing with you know 300 to a thousand watts of cooling capacity and then whatever we hook up to it. It'll be cool enough. Don't worry about it Yeah But the way that Intel and AMD report the TDP so the thermal design power I think it's thermal design power whatever it is Thermal design parameter can't remember the point is the amount of heat that Their that their chip is going to output the way that they calculate TDP is completely different so Right now we have rise in third gen and Intel's I guess they call it ninth gen, so I don't know that it is strictly speaking the ninth gen It all depends on how you calculate generations because we've been on Skylake for a while now according to my watch Anyway with their current products on both sides the way that AMD handles It is they basically do you know all this or am I just talking to them? No, not really okay cool, so the way that AMD handles it is whatever the maximum amount of heat that that chip could output Assuming that it is going it's running full tilt That's considered to be the TDP under like a reasonable load so if I were to if I were to take my my You know rise in 3700 whatever processor and I were to throw You know an egg on top of it I can assume that if that thing is rated at a hundred and five watts That I'm getting a hundred and five watts of heat, and it's going to take however long to cook my egg Yeah, pretty much because it will turbo as high as it possibly can within its power and its thermal restraints or constraints excuse me All right, so on the Intel side of things now Intel has an eight core desktop processor Just like AMD does the 9900 K and it's rated at a mere 95 watts So given that 95 watt rating that thing should be easy to cool right yeah Sure So here's the thing Intel allows that chip to spike up to its max turbo and Then what it expects it to do what's within the Intel? Specification is for it to ratchet back down So as the as the power consumption and therefore the the heat that it is outputting goes up And as its temperature climbs it's going to ratchet that down until we meet this point That I think it's called P2 that is the TDP that they rate it for so really what it's rated at is Its base clock so they're they're they're producing They're using TDP as a guideline for anyone who's producing a cooler that will Satisfactorily cool it at base clock speeds without Causing thermal throttling which is different from not boosting now. That's something you have a lot of experience with You want to explain for the people out there? What is the difference between? thermal throttling and Boosting because you see this in laptops all the time right yeah good a good one to think of it's like the Corsair one so in that It's very small and although a 9900 K can Can boost to I don't know 4.8 or maybe like 4.5 all core something like that it only does like 3.6 If you hit it for an extended period of time right whereas in something like the MSI tried an x It hits for 4.3 ish right for a continued amount of time because it's cooler right so the point to clarify there is that? Neither of those products necessarily thermal throttled They just boosted more or less and that MSI product is a great example of a customer of intels So in this case it's MSI But a sues actually had a big scandal around this a while back But a customer of intels basically designed the the firmware of their motherboard to operate the chip in a way that Intel doesn't Necessarily intend for it to yeah, so they intend for it to do it, but only for short periods of time So there was that whole thing do you remember back when I guess the 8700 K was it that one or was it? 7700 K I think it was 8700 think it was 8700 K when all the review sites had these completely different multi-threaded numbers for this chip Because some of them were using motherboards that used what's called a sues calls it multi-core enhancement which basically takes that elevated clock and then just holds it there indefinitely and Others were behaving the way that Intel calls for them to behave which is to boost up to it and then fall down so Anyway back to our discussion of TDPs the project that Anthony is working on Involves taking I believe it's a Ryzen 73700 X yeah, I think so I think that's what he's using and then a 9900 K where the Ryzen 73700 X is rated at a hundred and five watts TDP and The 9900 K is rated at 95 watts so on paper You as the let's say the uneducated layperson consumer walking into a store you look at these two products One's got eight cores the other one's got eight cores right yeah One of them is clocked at some clock speed and then also it turbos to whatever because that's written on the box The other one is set some clock speed and it turbos or whatever one of them. Ooh You know what I? Don't want that extra 10 watts on my power bill all the time one of them runs you consumes less power and outputs less heat My room gets really warm in the summer. I think I'm gonna go with that one. That's 10 watts cooler. Yeah But since it's not an apples to apples comparison and the chips are behaving completely differently We think that the way that that's being presented doesn't make a ton of sense So do you know much about what Anthony's working on? Yeah, isn't it just like you take a liter or some amount. I don't know exactly a liter of water and you just Set it on top in a vial and see how long it takes for it to heat up. Yeah, basically So do thermal probes just oh, we actually don't even need thermal probes because we're not trying to we're not trying to get as granular As like exactly what is the TDP because then we'd need like this thermally isolated environment We'd have to make sure we're not losing any of the CPUs heat through the copper traces of the motherboard like It's not realistic. So what we're doing is we're taking an apples to apples to the greatest extent that we can in comparison So the same amount of water and then we're putting a thermal dye inside the water and we're basically gonna go. All right Whose dye turns I think it turns from white to black something like that or black to white? So whose dye changes color first to see if Intel's lower TDP rating is actually Representative of the behavior of the CPU and we're gonna run the Intel one twice once at Intel's specified behavior, so we're gonna not run multi core enhancement and then one at the way that I think most Enthusiasts immediately flip the switch on their CPUs in order to get it to run faster So I'm really excited about that one But unfortunately, we weren't able to get all the little details. Like how do we put? Vessels of water on top of our CPUs without spilling them all over the place securely while maintaining enough mounting pressure to have good thermal conductivity Etc etc, etc minor details. We've actually got it all sorted out now But we didn't have enough time to get it shot this morning, which was when I had time to shoot So stay tuned for that people are asking where is the thermal conductivity? So stay tuned for that people are asking where is Luke like legitimately where is Luke? He's done a packs Luke goes to packs every year with his family And now that we actually don't cover packs anymore. He gets to spend it with his family again There was a period of about four years there five years I think where Luke was still going to packs and he'd like sneak away at night and you know Hang out with his family and friends and then be back at work in the morning work in the show floor I think that he wasn't always he wasn't a fan. I'll say that He was not a fan of that arrangement I think he's pretty happy that he gets to just legitimately actually go attend packs now Although he's been pretty critical of it over the last couple of years and says that it just hasn't been what it used to be But that's okay LTX LTX is gonna step up Well, then again at LTX like what did he accomplish? I? think Didn't he try to like walk from one side to the other to get to something and just didn't make it past the entrance Yeah, I think it was something along those lines. Okay, nice of a guy. Oh, I have an Alex specific question from John why? Okay, deleted it. Oh, it was deleted by nightbot. What oh Why was that deleted? Okay, John why wants to know what happened to the ricer PC? I would also love to have a status update on the ricer PC Not a whole lot's happened with it We've been doing a lot of other things like the tech coolers and just making videos It's about it. Okay. Yeah, we have some people that are going to make Different parts for us. I'm just not entirely sure who's making which part so Singularity computers Yeah, I think they offered to do some blocks and stuff didn't they? I'm not totally sure. Okay. Well, we'll not Like make them do things right now Yeah, we won't sign them up So yeah guys, we do still intend to do it. The good news is we have all the hardware So now it's just a matter of in good time Getting all everything measured up getting blocks produced Planning out the build it is quite a bit more complicated to do like a showcase Level of PC build on something that's running really old hardware that doesn't have a ton of support for it anymore So give us time we will do it Yeah, also the workshop is a workshop now There's been like this pretty large period for the past couple months where we just Couldn't really do projects because yeah, everything was just in boxes over there So what all is actually hooked up over there laser cutter? No, okay, that's covered in dust and wrap router Router is fully operational routers good mill We got the tooling order done So it's fully operational minus having everything to cut things drill press drill press is good sander It's like not bolted down, but it's it's okay. Okay. So basically we're getting there. Yeah, okay Okay, so basically we're getting there. Yeah, okay lathe lathe tooling arrived in the US. So we seem to pick it up Great So guys give us time give us time All right, speaking of giving time Let's let's give you guys the thing that you came for in a reasonable amount of time. See I brought it around Apple announces independent repair program Link boy on the forum posted this in the original source of the news Is naturally Apple themselves. So let's see how Apple Puts their spin on this Apple offers customers even more options for safe reliable repair It's funny that they're branding third-party repairer businesses as safe and reliable when for so long The line was that they weren't new Independent repair provider program expands genuine parts access to more repair businesses All right, so let's go through sort of the the key points here The answer to new repair program offering customers additional options for the most common out-of-warranty iPhone repairs Apple provide more independent repair businesses large or small with the same genuine parts tools training repair manuals and Diagnostics as its Apple authorized service providers or AASPs This is a quote. So when a repair is needed a customer should be able to use the service providers Repair is needed a customer should have the confidence that the repair is done Right, we believe the safest and most reliable repairs one handled by a trained technician using genuine parts that have been properly engineered and rigorously Tested so here's what I want to know Why didn't Apple want the kiosk in the mall to have decent parts before? Because it's not like the kiosk in the mall was ever going to go away So at the end of the day your customer Apple your customer Was going to go there and they were going to have either a really great experience by sheer blind luck Because you guys certainly didn't put any effort into making that experience any smoother So you got lucky if they had a good time or that customer was going to have a bad time And you know whose customer that is yours so I mean They get applause they just don't get like okay, they get slow applause for finally yeah I like that give up the golf cloud Okay, I don't see I fall into this trap sometimes where When a company finally does the right thing you still get mad. I still get mad because They did the wrong thing. I mean Finally does the right thing you still get mad. I still get mad because they did the wrong thing for so long And it's all this like pent-up Frustration, but I shouldn't I shouldn't get mad about this With that said there's okay I shouldn't get mad about the good parts of this because there's still parts of this that I can get legitimately mad about so There's a couple things here the program is only going to allow independent repair shops to offer out of warranty service for iPhones such as display battery replacements There is no mention of in warranty repairs or other devices so mr. Rossman over there is not going to be getting diagnostic manuals for MacBook Pros anytime soon as far as we can tell And this is another really important clear point of clarification Apple has not announced along with this program any kind of Any kind of process for general consumers to gain access to Genuine parts to conduct their own repairs so Yeah, I think it's the out of warranty service that gets me the most because Where this probably means the most to a lot of people is like out in the boonies where like Buddy knows something about tech But doesn't have the right tools and so they could just give them the right tools because like I don't know if you're living in Labrador you're not going to get to the genius store like You speak as though you you know this from experience. I don't know if people know where you're from Nova Scotia, yeah, which isn't quite Labrador, but like from our perspective. It's been they only got an Apple store They're like pretty recently. Yeah And so sort of thing were like you can go to lots of places to get your stuff fixed but like I Don't know most times just like a high school kid that Has some spudgers, so I'm gonna. I'm gonna play devil's advocate here And I'm gonna say I totally get it if you're not a fully certified Apple authorized repair center I don't see them offering you a warranty on the thing that was opened up by some random person that is fair So I get that side of it But I'm still really frustrated that as a consumer so like from a from a just right to repair right to repair doesn't mean right for Some specific person to repair it means that if I have the know-how and the inclination to Work on upgrade or repair my own devices. I should have access to the same manuals the same Tools the same diagnostic utilities that anyone else would because why not? They're gonna be out there anyway Especially now that they're opening up this program like if they imagine for a second that they're just gonna certify a bunch of like random mom-and-pop shops in the Philippines and these manuals aren't gonna be all over torrent sites everywhere like come on come on Just formalize it. It's like a one-on-one just formalize what's already happening so that we don't have this like black market of Apple PCB schematics like I'm serious. Oh, yeah, it's that crazy Like there's like honestly speaking if you want like a brand new Apple product you either have to get Stolen blueprints for it if you want to figure out like you know what every what every sense pin is connected to or I mean You'd have to I don't know you'd have to rip apart a working device and like x-ray the thing and try and try and reverse engineer it basically Apple's pretty I mean Yeah So anyway anyway anyway in Apple's defense again Let's get positive again for a second here the certification process is simple and free of charge but meeting the requirements Which is basically that you have to have an Apple certified technician who can report it perform the repairs does not guarantee acceptance into the program and Apple reserves the right to reject any application without telling you why Wait should we do should we do something on this? We could have like try to apply to be one Yeah, we should have like three or four people just apply and see how many get in I think Anthony used to have his Apple certified crap hmm I wonder if we could like get him get him like like get him What I'm looking for like get his certifications refreshed and Try and see if Linus Media Group incorporated can become an Apple. Well, what are they calling it again? Apple independent Authorized service no no no we wouldn't become an ASP for sure But if we could just be like an iPhone an iPhone service whatever get like our get our iPhone manuals and stuff That would be cool We'll just set up shop and like unit 105 or whatever People can just pull up. We do have a pretty legit like rework area. I know right Yeah, not that Apple is letting shops do anything like that anyway you're basically just doing screen repairs and battery replacements, but Maybe this is part of the lash back around Apple's whole stupid thing where they were taking even first-party batteries and giving you like a battery service Notification in iOS do you hear about this no I didn't okay? So pretty much a recent change made it so that if you swap your battery Even if you take two identical iPhones and just swap the batteries between them so all Apple first-party parts They would give you a notification in iOS that says your battery may require servicing Because they're tying the serial number of the phone to like a serial number in the battery So they're they're doing that so that it's easy to tell if a phone was not Battery swapped by an Apple authorized Party because Apple authorized parties are able to reprogram the chip on the battery so that it'll match the phone So you won't get that error so they got a ton of backlash for it because it's like yo guys Yeah for serious business at this point. What are you even doing like it's bad enough? You make it so hard to swap the battery now. I've gone. I've done all that work the stupid error come on So it looks like they're just expanding the network of people who can do it legitimately so that People who repair things themselves still have to deal with this crap yeah anyway, it's so this follows Apple's recent expansion of his authorized service network into every best-buy store in the US Which actually tripled the number of US ASP locations compared to three years ago, which is great, but the US really isn't the biggest problem It's other places like labradoodle or wherever you're from I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry look look look I'm not going to be one of those elitist you know torontonians or whatever they call themselves I'm aware. I'm aware that there are other parts of Canada, okay? I Just don't care Sorry we have this okay for those of you who are not Canadian We have this like inferiority complex over on the western side of the country because we like were settled later Like we didn't even get a railroad until I don't know 80 years ago or something Like that I'm kidding it was longer ago than that But it doesn't matter the point is we have like this inferiority complex because our government and the vast majority of our population are all thousands of kilometers away and Sometimes you know the decisions that they make For the direction of the company company the country don't really have a lot to do with the concerns of people over here So we just feel kind of ignored. You know it's like oh, you know what's the problem? You know what's Canada's baseball team? Toronto whatever they're called. It's a bird or something What's Canada's basketball team? I don't know some other bird Oh, it's like I Know I know it's a dinosaur Raptor not a bad Raptor, but the blue jays aren't a dinosaur Yes, it is it isn't shut up. I've had enough of your crap old birds are dinosaurs Okay, you can you can make that argument, but that's not for a come. That's a different podcast You go you go talk about that on some other podcast How do we get on this? All right the point was that the u.s. Is not the main concern most people in the u.s. Compared to rural parts of you know Russia or something have? Relatively easy access to an AASP, and I'm not saying it's perfect everywhere I'm just saying that right now the program is only launched in the u.s. But with plans to expand to other countries, so it's clearly not a complete solution But it is a step in the right direction I just always question Apple's motives when they do stuff like this is it a step in the right direction as part of a greater movement towards a more consumer focused Attitude or is it a step in the right direction to appease people and make them shut up? While they continue to march can completely the opposite direction as a more general rule for their business behind the scenes Which one do you think? Are they getting more consumer friendly? Yes, but are they doing it out of the goodness of their hearts? Probably both you think so wow like it's not like entirely out of the goodness of their hearts, but you know it's the kind of thing where It's a bit of both What are people saying? John Wick says Quebec feels ignored don't complain dude Quebec does not get ignored Quebec complains so loudly That like we can't be heard over their noise, and I'm not saying Quebec doesn't have legitimate grievances I'm just saying that to say that Quebec gets ignored is a very que becois thing to say What can I do for you Nick? I actually have not talked about the new shirt I can I can talk about the new shirt Sponsors time we have a new shirt. Yeah, you know what let's start with ourselves So this episode is brought to you by LTT store calm Look at this guy what a loser It's got bad hair too. Oh terrible Anyway, we launched a new product today. This is the RAM t-shirt. What's that on the front of it? Wow that is a great picture of David Did you see this That is fantastic wow we we have so many models here now That's awesome look this flasher guy You look so scary in that photo I'm sorry anyway. This is our RAM shirt. 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I don't hear kind of reminds me of Habbo Hotel Complex man, oh, it's a space station sim yeah that seems like the kind of thing that people would play a lot And then get completely consumed by All right in other news this week global foundries has issued a lawsuit against TSMC And if you guys don't already know how high drama this whole situation is I'm gonna skip straight to TSMC's response to Here it is let me see blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Oh, yeah, that's ruthless. I don't think where is it where is it in here? Hmm? There ah yes, okay. This is great um oh No, that's not even it. Oh, oh, that's hilarious. Okay. No that was from a tech analyst Significant damages you know what I don't think it's in my notes So do you want to start walking people through what's going on here while I find this quote is fantastic So I don't really know the details, but basically fine you just read the thing and pretend you know Global foundries has filed lawsuits against Taiwan semiconductor manufacturing company in the US and Germany over alleged infringement on 16 patents The company said they're looking to halt the import of processors Maybe the technology and is seeking to or and is seeking significant damages from TSMC based on TSMC's Unlawful use of GF's for priority technology in the tens of billions of dollars of sales Basically it'd be really bad because Nvidia Apple Doesn't AMD also use them Pretty much everyone that makes fast things now Uses TSMC global foundries fell a little bit behind Global foundries fell a little bit behind and when you file a little bit behind in semiconductor manufacturer You're in trouble. Yeah, you're basically done So well you like what even happens if this goes through like do we just Do we have like the Titan RTX and it's like suddenly gold because you can't get any more or something Um realistically like this kind of thing comes out all the time where you know I mean back when back when Apple and Samsung were going toe-to-toe over the original galaxy s vibrant and how it looks just like an iPhone and all that kind of stuff and You know they'll seek sales injunctions or whatever the case may be like sales bands The reality is that it usually takes so long to be processed that any product that would be affected by it is long gone from store shelves before anything actually happens And this is more it ends up a lot of the time being more about posturing than anything else Now the unfortunate thing about this situation is if it just covers anything made by TSMC Yeah, it could actually affect your ability to buy An Nvidia graphics card in any countries that will that will uphold this kind of a ruling I I could create like a black market for graphics cards that are like manufactured in Taiwan Sorry the chips manufacture the chips are manufactured in Taiwan the cards are assembled in China, and then they're like You know shipped through India or something and then like snuck into port and the US or whatever the case is US and Germany, so maybe we can just get a bunch and we're pretty close to the border Not an actual business strategy dang it I was Someone found the threat found the the quote in the threat on our forum But I'm having a really really hard time finding it Dang it I hate this I'm so mad okay In a nutshell They basically said Yeah, we're gonna defend ourselves and And we think it would probably be a good idea if they would just focus on making better products then resorting to this kind of You know patent infringement lawsuit crap In a nutshell oh Maybe it was the other Thread no that was just page two dang it all right whatever I give up So I guess that's pretty much. I guess that's pretty much all we have to say about that Yeah, that would be bad. Yeah, good luck global foundries seems like they must be pretty desperate So in August 2018 they ceased development of their 7 nanometer process to focus on being a specialty foundry Which is I guess another way of saying that you can't compete at the bleeding edge So you're just going to go out there and find customers that don't need their products manufactured on the bleeding edge and like that's fine. There's plenty of customers for that out there It's just It's like going for venture capital or like getting venture capital and being like you know I just kind of want the loan for my parents Yeah Ouch All right, what else we got here? Oh, this is a big one So this is posted by Rainbow Dash on the forum not the real Rainbow Dash of course The original article here is from the register.co.uk But AMD has agreed to play to pay purchasers of its FX bulldozer processors a total of 12.1 million dollars to settle a four-year False advertising lawsuit that works out to about thirty five dollars a chip Oh, man, I remember this great Intel used to have some really edgy advertising back when they had This like we are unassailable swagger going on So this was a little bit beforehand, let me see if I can find the image oh That's a shame. I just remember they sent us this advertising collateral back when I was working at NCIX Back when AMD was advertising their triple cores which were basically Failed quad cores that had one of the cores disabled and what was cool was that in many cases they could be re-enabled and Intel sent over this ad collateral that said like more is not necessarily better or something like that and it had like a like beefy looking chopper motorcycle that was blue and then like a green or red I forget whether AMD had switched over to red yet at that point, but a tricycle next to it I was like, oh you guys you so edgy Anyway, the whole core marketing for AMD Ended up getting them into trouble because they went from the FX. Oh Man, I'm trying to remember. Sorry. It was the Phenom 1100T was their flagship six core processor and that was based on their Steamroller. I'm sorry. I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit hazy on my eight year old code names But the 1100T was an unlocked six core processor Phenom black edition or something along those lines and it had From like from like a Traditional sense it had both floating point and integer units for each of those six cores Then AMD launched the world's first eight core desktop processor the FX I think it was 8150 was the first one. Do you remember any of this? All right, don't worry about it FX 8150, but The problem with the FX 8150 was that it didn't have in The same definition that AMD had previously used it didn't have eight full Cores, so I think it only had eight integer units But then only four Floating point units or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, is that right? Yeah, that's right And crucially a single floating point unit. Yeah. Yeah, so what that meant was that for certain workloads? Certain workloads it did actually behave Kind of like an eight core processor But for other ones it only had the horses under the hood of a quad core processor And they were advertising it as an eight core processor when the entire rest of the industry which is AMD at every point previously though to be clear if we go back far enough CPUs used to have things like cache off board, so Let's ignore that era, but everyone including AMD and of course Intel had sort of Decided that a CPU core needed to have both a floating point and an integer unit So in January this year a California judge rejected AMD's claim that a significant majority of people understood the term core the same way it did and Based on the results of a poll of the register readers it appears most C cores in the same way as the litigants So 47% said of course should be fully independent Whereas a mere 28% were rabid AMD fanboys and said that it can share execution engines So this has led to Both AMD and the plates plaintiffs lawyers. Oh this this is great This appears to be some editorial from the register there They said the insanity that is class action lawsuits has led both AMD and the plaintiffs lawyers to argue to the judge That 12.1 million is a fair amount despite the fact that consumers paid an additional 60 million in premiums for their eight core processors I don't know this is honestly kind of a tough one for me because I really do see it both ways on the one hand Yeah, it was kind of BS, but on the other hand Is it really any more BS than you know? Nvidia calling their GPUs 2,000 core processors Like they call them CUDA cores, but they're not cores in the same way that a CPU core is a core like get real Yeah You have to read the fine print on this stuff. It's highly technical stuff For me, I thought that it was like pretty greasy like I know when I learned that it was like Only half actual cores. 1.5 cores. Yeah because like a lot of stuff uses FPU like Yeah, I don't know I guess also kind of like Not many things use a cores even now so I Don't know how much of a difference it would have made but It just I don't know it just Doesn't sit right with me. Here's what I want to know Let's create a straw poll here Straw poll dot And me I want to hear from you guys, but here's the trick I only want to hear from you guys if you actually bought that means real money when it was new so I'm not talking like Your buddy was getting rid of his FX when he upgraded to something better or whatever I'm talking you bought brand new from a new processor You bought brand new from a store a bulldozer processor an FX 8 core processor And I want to know do you feel ripped off? No, not maybe do you feel ripped off because really when you when you calculate the damage of a class-action lawsuit It's more about the money so Or it's more about that. It's about the false advertising so would you have made a different decision? Would you have bought something else Because here's the thing Core advertising or boost clock speeds or whatever the case actually yeah the TDP discussion that we had earlier Yeah, perfect example of just If you just read the box of a CPU knowing that this is a highly technical product you kind of got what was coming to you so core processing Or core counts aside and advertising aside Any computer purchase should come down to benchmarks anyway Not down to the specs because the specs are ultimately pretty much meaningless All right, I'm gonna go ahead and dump this in the YouTube chat I actually don't know where to find the live video on our channel here Oh There it is wow that was easy Neat yeah, I would say Framed like that I am a no Like I don't think that it would Change how I thought about it So you would have just done your research and made a decision based on the raw performance of the thing Yeah, right and like For a lot of things do you think it really makes a difference like Probably not I don't know like as as an educated consumer No, it made no difference to me whatsoever How AMD wanted to advertise their stupid thing? I knew that it performed like hot garbage literally hot garbage and so I was not interested in it But I guess like sometimes I can be kind of out of touch in that sense, you know, it's funny I had someone call me out of touch But in I think it was I think this was not the way that they meant it because we talked a little while about How user benchmark I think it's called. Oh, yes How I had never heard of that before like you're so out of touch must be nice to just have all that stuff on hand So you can test it yourself I'm like No, I didn't always have all that and I still didn't resort to like what's that other stupid site like GPU check or something? Like that where like, you know anytime you Google like 1080 Ti versus 2080 Ti stupid garbage these garbage town websites that just like Count kuda course basically and say which one is better like that's not how you research hardware I didn't have to have all this stuff to be able to figure out how things performed relative to each other You just go out you look for independent reviews of them. You find numbers that Match and then you can use that to compare something that was never directly compared So if one review has a direct comparison between a 3700 X and a 9900 K and then another review has a comparison between a 3700 X and 9400 it's not that hard. It's not that hard You have to be willing to put a little bit of work into it The point is you can compare a 9900 K to a 9400 as long as the thing that they have in common Sort of agrees. It's pretty close. Yeah, but you're thinking of like someone that Gets that not the sort of person that's like oh like How does a GTX 716 compare to a 9400? How does a GTX 760 compare to I don't know 1050 like You just type that in? Well, no, no, no, it's like it's not very difficult for like you or me to like figure how it all matches up Yeah, because you just have to go find reviews of like the 960 and then also the 1060 and you can bridge the gap Yeah, it's not all that difficult But if the first search result that comes up is like oh this one right here is however many percent faster than the other one You're just gonna click that you're gonna use the number and you're gonna be like, okay. Yeah All right. We've got our results. I'm so sorry floatplane We were already really late for the show and I didn't have time to sign in so I didn't check your chat And I didn't post it there. I feel terrible. You guys are great But speaking of chats, um, yeah, what's his name? Um, Robert Mayhell Robert Mayhell. I'm sorry that I said that wrong sent us the tsmc quote Oh, oh, where is it? It's right here. Oh, this is great. Thank you, Robert We are disappointed to see a foundry peer resort to meritless lawsuits instead of competing in the marketplace with technology Oh dang TSMC is proud of its technology leadership manufacturing excellence and unwavering commitment to customers basically, they just said If it's too hot in the kitchen then get you know, get your ass out. Yeah, sorry. You're not good. Yeah, sorry not sorry So this is interesting it split I wouldn't say down the middle But it's a lot more even than I would have thought So 40% of people would have bought something else with just shy of 60% saying no They would have bought exactly the same thing because they probably did all the same research that yeah We would normally do and knew exactly what it was that they were buying. I don't know. It's a funny thing because From my perspective. I don't really care that much of about like Asus was in here earlier this week talking about how they were the first to have a 120 hertz laptop and I was like, okay But I would never buy something because of a manufacturer like Being like look how cool we are What do I care about that? How many fps do I get in my game? Shut up about that other stuff So No, I just like to find that kind of thing. It's not confusing All right, so we should see if there's any anything else that we wanted to talk about real quick Oh, yeah, this is something that just sort of bothered me. I don't know why they did it This was posted by JC Helios on the forum Oh, yeah, the original article is from nine to five google and uh, why don't you go ahead? I don't know. This just really annoyed me. I have no idea why they did it. Yeah, I was this happened to me like very recently I was just trying to find a wallpaper for like a secondary pc and I went into google images and the Search by exact size or larger than where you can like type in the numbers. It's just gone so I don't know that's about it. But i'm just really annoyed because why remove it? Maybe you have it like a bit harder to get to if you don't want It around but I don't see why you'd remove it using google's advanced image search feature You can still filter by sizes larger than certain megapixel counts, but the ability to filter by exact size isn't available there Um bing by contrast apparently does still offer the exact size image filtering. It's too bad. That is a steaming pile of garbage I don't know why they did it. I don't know why they did it. I don't know why they did it. I don't know why they did it Yeah So now it's time for the super chats hey chats you super Note says mighty car mods car pc collab. We would love to they're not exactly located close to here Um, the stuff that they work on is big the stuff that we work on is big Time consuming that is a fairly major project. We're not saying no we're just saying uh, not yet I'm gonna come to australia. I would love to come to australia. There we go Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but i'm not going there to work Gamer 55 sends a dollar. Thank you Rust is rust i2 god. I don't know what that says kept with the great work everyone Well, thank you Alexander says new batch of stealth hoodies when uh next week I'm gonna read that. I'm gonna read that. I'm gonna read that. I'm gonna read that. I'm gonna read that. I'm gonna read that Tony says linus is beautiful. You knew I was gonna read that. I wasn't gonna gloss over that one Ungrim says love the earrings don't let me people are just Tommy gun are you gonna revive channel super fun soon. We want to we haven't had time yet. It is on the road map Linus you're back. Is there an update on float plane merge? Um Joshua says any plan to look at via's weird x86 chips. I didn't know they were making new x86 chips Via new cpu you gotta be kidding me Okay, this is like September last year Hmm, oh I think that we tried to get one And then didn't But I I don't know I wasn't involved in that so Interesting yeah, we could try again Yeah, it looks like it's like a weird chinese processor or something a lot of time that stuff's really hard to get out of china, but We did get our hands on the honor tv. So uh, oh, yeah, that should give you guys some idea how our sourcing in china game is going Um, oh and says hi apologies for this but hit you up on d forum by dm. Okay, good to know Uh sport says hi from switzerland just a fellow vancouverite creating swiss ltt fans here. All right, cool Uh linus when do you get so handsome? Uh, it's a filter Do you hear about that? No, the like, um the old lady in china who was using a filter Um to be like a cam girl Oh, this is awesome. I don't know if they talked about this on wensho filter You mean on tech linked china? um Cam girl, I don't know. I'm just putting in every keyword that could I think might help me bring this up Uh this young vloggers beauty filter glitched midstream Revealing a 58 year old woman Um, that is apparently a real-time filter that she was applying to her streams That's actually pretty impressive. It's really impressive. Yeah, you got like the face shaping going on there like nose shaping eye shaping Like has anyone found that this is fake news? I haven't found any uh I haven't found any evidence to suggest that it is fake But I also oh wait. No, wow, this is bbc. Okay. Yeah, it's probably fine Um And I didn't find any other pictures Because it'd be nice to have more than just one still like a video of the stream might be kind of cool But yeah saw that thought that was pretty pretty fascinating Uh, I don't remember how we got on that subject. Right? Yeah, that's what i'm doing Uh, what else we got here I bought tickets for last ltx but couldn't go still glad I could contribute can't wait to go next year. See you there connor Uh the novarian do gym shorts at the ltt store. I actually totally want to do workout clothes. I want Basically, I want to stop paying for my badminton clothes. That's my secret agenda so if you guys could all buy a bunch of it so that I don't have to buy well, I mean I buy it I buy all of it but like I don't know. Whatever point is it feels different. I want to yeah it feel it feels different It feels different when instead of like going to a store to buy this ram shirt Uh, loid or nick just walks into my office and gives me a stack of ram shirts and it's like hey You got to promote this now and i'm like cool. I love this thing um So yes, I paid for it in fact, I paid more than you guys because I actually like hired employees to create it but um Yeah, you got samples. Those are not cheap. Doesn't matter. Yeah, actually Did you guys know like how much freaking samples cost? It'll be anywhere from like 3x to 30x what the the finished product will be for stuff That's as simple as like a mouse pad or whatever Actually mouse pads are a bad example because the samples are pretty cheap for that because it's mostly like a digital printing process now but uh Did I just give something away? Yeah, I think so. We're doing a mouse pad. Uh anyway Mike says do you know anything about fixing yourself? Oh, yeah, I do. Just go see Dr. Pollock Dr. Pollock Uh I'm not reading your username But says I would I was wondering if you'd be willing to do an episode on the history of pc sound and sound hardware Didn't we kind of do that? It's really interesting. Um, I don't think so Not to the degree of depth that this individual is probably hoping for Because there is a lot that went on there sound used to be a much much more demanding thing before Uh microsoft basically took the whole thing and put it in software with windows vista I feel like lazy game reviews has a good video on that probably Um cooper says hey guys been a fan since I had a barely functional 5850 now i'm rocking a watercooled 2080ti What 2000s are a component? Do you miss the most? I don't uh, none of them There were some cool cases back then you probably wouldn't remember any of this stuff but um Um, man check out this thing Oh, yes is the thermal take zaser series These were some flashy pants freaking computer cases guys. Let's check this shiz out What else we got here? Oh man, look at this blue one I think the zaser 3 was oh, is this the three? No, I wanted the two Oh, yeah, that's the one I was looking for look at this thing. It's beautiful Aluminum construction. This was like a premium case back then. This was like gamer Love it. Look at these look at these builds from back then. That's like that's like a show build, you know Did it have cathodes in it? Oh probably Like this is this was like in advertising No one would even dare show that on like Builds dot gg or whatever these days. It's great. Um, what else we got? Um That uh Uh dyslexicon says spending money on super chat that won't get read and i'm pretty sure you lied two dollars is usually the uh, the free one But I read it. So now you're a double liar. Uh, joey says can you lower shipping costs for canadians? They are as low as they are Um, those are our shipping costs. We don't make profit on the shipping Um, so the only way for us to lower our shipping costs is to do more volume through canada post basically Uh adam says been watching ltt since ncix love to see the changes over the years. Keep up the good work Andrew says I used your code to buy shrouds coffee at madrid His coffee is pretty good actually, yeah, but he used our code. Okay. You know what he used our code. Thank you. Thank you But not to buy our coffee It's okay. I'm over it. Yeah, uh Dalsim says I would love an armored swacket for a motorbike. Okay, that would be so much friggin work Do you know how hard it was to do the swacket as it is? I love it and it was totally worth it. But like No, it's some goalie gear and put it outside of it. Yeah, why not? Oh, yeah. Sure. It's that simple. Thank you um Jackson I'm 13 years old. I love your show. Just wanted to say hey Hey back where are the like buttons on floatplane loops working on it? All right, so hold on a minute. Yeah Oh, yeah. Okay. This was robert maile. Thank you. I just saw that finally now Uh a broken tv says I wrote a stage play alex you can't do that. It'll ruin the company minus you misunderstand I am the company I think we could work that line into it If we did a stage play sure Um, oh where'd it go? It just moved someone said new intro when uh, not sure I may just kill the intro Yeah Maybe we just won't have an intro anymore because like people who drop out during the intro our watch time that we don't have maybe we just don't need to uh, Maybe we don't need to like Brand ourselves to death with that said the amount of branding that we've done not just for the channel but also for the company I think has contributed to um People's awareness of us in general. So i'm not sure what the right answer is. Yeah Uh the phoenix I just got my swacket stealth hoodie processor shirt hat and underwear is all awesome and worth every penny Thank you phoenix um Mcringle borat can't wait for the ltt sandals. Can't wait to be the first to resell them on goat What is goat? I'm like afraid to google this Uh goat is it like something to do with shoes? Goat shoes goat.com the safest way to buy. Sorry. What what is this? Oh, no, I licked my fingers. Oh gross shop hands Oh gross, okay Why I do that? I deserve it for eating on stream All right. What the heck is this? So Is it just like is it just a shoe store? I think it's selling like Hard to get shoes maybe like How much do those cost? 125 bucks that seems pretty reasonable or used for 120 Oh, okay. So this is a used marketplace then Okay So you want to resell them on goat? Wow, um, okay. I mean everybody has to have goals And that's important to maintain your focus So I commend you for it Okay I think that's pretty much all we can do for now Thank you guys so much for tuning in. We'll see you again next week same bat time same bat channel So long Oh, I can't believe we didn't finish the pelche video today. Yeah, i'm so disappointed. I wanted to know if it was gonna work I wanted to know if it was going to look just like a fire I still want to know if it's gonna work. Yeah, i'm still concerned. It's gonna catch on fire