 Okay, and theoretically we're live. Live? Live, I think. Not alive, just live. I'm definitely not alive right now. It's CES, man. Not even close. It is CES. Brandon, don't leave yet. Because someone needs to check and see if the Twitch stream is actually working. Or we just talk to ourselves right now like we have been doing all day. Yeah. No, I talked to, I had a meeting with Kingston. Okay. I talked to them. Okay. Were they alive? They were not, they were alive but barely. That sounds about right. Yeah, and they were more alive than my contact at Corsair. Got it. Who was definitely not alive? Who made it through a presentation. Only to basically... So I had a meeting with Kingston. Okay. I talked to them. It does actually look like we are indeed live. So people are saying it works, which is sort of amazing. And there you go. So here we go, guys. It's WAN Show time. I've got a special guest, Austin, here. And we're going to be talking pretty much CES stuff. Yeah. Luke is... Oh. Yeah, where is Luke? Oh. Hold on. Hold on. What? One person says Echo. So... Oh, you know what? You know what? I had the Twitch stream playing for like a second. I think that was it. So, yeah. So Luke isn't here because he has to get up at 5 in the morning tomorrow. That sounds exciting. Actually, probably around 4.45. I was up at 6 this morning. Does that count for anything? Was that for like a special event? Yeah. Oh, okay. Cool. Are you able to talk about that at all? Like, was it pretty cool? Yes. We got to do a test drive on a track with BMW with the i8. So I got to do some hot laps with an actual race car driver. It was... I didn't completely embarrass myself. I was really proud. Really? I almost spun the car once, but I was able to save it. Very nice. So tell me something. What was your best lap time? It was... So you guys went to Speed Vegas, right? Oh, actually, I can pull it up. I think it was like 76. Tie game! Tie game, my friend! 76. But what did you drive? Here. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Because I had a BMW i8. Okay. Let me just pull up my picture that I took. The suspense is real. I know, right? You're gonna say like, I got a 55. No big deal. Okay, here we go. Here we go. Hold on. So, wait. Where am I? Sebastian Linus. Okay, so there's me. I was in a Gallardo. Oh, 76. No, 78! Right there. So what were you? No, no, no. Your best time is 76. Oh, 76. Mine was 76. But like, dude, your car had like twice as much power as mine. Why don't you cry some more? We tied. We tied. Wait, what was your top speed? What was your top speed? Mine was 134. I don't know what my top speed was. Yours probably was way higher. 138. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, the Gallardo is not like the most amazing one they have there. I drove the Huracan as well. And the 488, man. That 488 was mean. Did you hear that thing? It sounded like a proper race car. It was like straight piped, right? That's the one that it was... So when they were doing the briefing, the safety briefing for us, that thing was ripping past on that straight stretch. And it was so loud, like inside the building. Right. We couldn't hear the guy giving the presentation. So we had a BMW 8. We had two BMW 8s. And they sound cool, right? But it's a partially electric car. You could call it a hybrid even though it plugs in and everything. But the thing, it's like basically it's like a three-cylinder motor with an electric. And it sounded good. I'm like, oh, it sounds like race car and stuff. And that 488 went by, I'm like... It's like, no. Did you guys do a video with Corsair? No. So the Corsair event was bizarre. I can't talk about anything that happened at it. Got it. Besides there was a 488 and a Gallardo. Besides the cars. Got it. And the cars were fun, which was cool. So we've got people posting walls of text in the chat. Linus doesn't read the Twitch chat. I'm reading the Twitch chat. Also, you're going to take a little time out there, my friend. Yeah, that's right. Oh, are you moderating the chat? Oh, I just I just moderated the chat. Whoa. Live. This is riveting content right now. That's right. OK, no, let's let's get into the real riveting content. Here is the intro. I actually don't know if the music's working. I think it is. But I don't know for sure. I'm going to dance to it as if it is. Well, they can't see you. That's fine. I'm going to dance to it. I mean, I can see you. I can watch you dance, which is great. No, I'm banning. I'm banning. I'm banning Han Solo Cody. Yeah, that's right. It's banning time? That's right. Dude, we've been here for like three minutes and you're banning people? It's banning time. It's like... CES has been a long, hard trek for Linus. Yeah, it's actually been, you know what? It's actually been our most organized year at. Year at. OK. I mean, that doesn't mean my brain is still working. I mean, no one's is at this point. But it's been pretty organized. Actually, Nick did almost all of our scheduling. Nice. And I just kind of go where I'm supposed to be and take too long there. Dude, every time I've seen you, you guys seem to have everything together, which is impressive. Seem. So we forgot the batteries for our FS5. Like straight up, no batteries whatsoever. One battery and no charger. Can you get those locally? We're borrowing from Jay's Two Cents. Oh, by the way, we actually have extra batteries if you need them. Massive shout out to Jay's Two Cents, who came through, unlike Austin Evans, in our time of need with an FS5 battery. Wait, what? Massive shout out, Jay's Two Cents. I just found this out. If I could have Jay's Two Cents here on the show instead of Austin. Instead of Austin, I would have, but the guy's too famous. So you're stuck with me, unfortunately. So there you go. So let's talk show. Wait, do we have to? Have you seen anything? I've like. OK, so I've been here since Tuesday night. Same time. No, I was here Monday night, I think. I had almost no time to look at anything. I've been like all over the place doing stuff that has nothing to do with actual CES. We did a giant road trip around Nevada on Wednesday. Actually with Jay, we did the whole thing, but I am almost completely in the dark. I've been able to walk around the show floor for like an hour. So why don't we structure the show like this. I'll explain CES to you. OK. And you can be like. So you're going to try to impress me right now with CES. Yeah. OK, let's do it. I'm done. OK, OK. So AMD. So original article here is from. I am really hoping that what I'm about to do right now is going to work. I think I just screen shared, but I'm not sure because we're just watching the intro again. Yeah, it's like do do do do do. And you go, I think it's going to work. OK, so the original article here is from PC World because our video is not up yet. But apparently, apparently AMD Ryzen, not apparently AMD Ryzen apparently is here. It's here. Is it really here? It is here here. When you say it's here, is it like, can I go buy it yet? Well, not that kind of. It's not here yet. It's not that kind of here. No, no, it's a different kind of here. OK. OK. So do you want to know the kind of are you just going to be a smartass or are you going to do it? Yes, I am. You invited me here. You should know what you got yourself. OK, so I invited you here. Yes, which means physically in this location. So when I say AMD Ryzen is here. All right, continue. OK, that's that's QED right there. So basically they had the same demos that they did from their live stream where they had the Ryzen processor and the thousand dollar sixty nine hundred K from Intel. And they had them playing a game like playing a like a playback of a game. So it's running in the actual game engine. No one has to sit there and actually play it. So so they're playing back the game and they're streaming to Twitch on both of them at the same time. So it's like basically continue to the Intel stream or was it like a split screen deal? Completely separate. One bat, one tower, one tower playback and stream. OK, so the idea is, is that not only can you game also stream. So it's kind of putting extra load on the processor and showing you that this can actually stream. So not only that, but what they're saying is that they're I think they call it infinity fabric or something. The way that the eight cores communicate with each other makes their CPU able to multitask in that way, way better than Intel. Interesting. And so the practical demo that they're doing here is noticeably better. OK, there's less delay on the Ryzen stream. Right. And there's less blocking and artifacts. So what do you mean by there's less delay? Because doesn't Twitch kind of introduce a delay built in? Theoretically, yes. I didn't think that that delay had anything to do with processing. So I'm not going to until I've set up my own test setup where I take like my gigabyte pipe and I set it up at home. Well, I don't have a gigabyte pipe at home, but I'm just going to have a moment of sadness here. OK, so yeah. So I set it up in the in the studio and I see it for myself that one of the streams is more or less delayed than the other. But what was noticeable was the image quality. For some reason, the AMD stream didn't have as much blocking. Now, with that said, what I don't know. So I did open up all the boxes. OK, I opened up the machines. It was legit, at least hardware wise. Yes. OK, the hardware was legit, but I don't know if there could have been any variability in the internet. Did you see like bit rate or anything like that? Like what their back end settings were? So I need to validate it for myself. But it's an interesting demo. But it's an interesting demo. And the obvious question is, well, why not just use NVNC? Like why not use your video card to encode? And the answer to that is CPU encoding looks better, which is true. So if you have a processor that can game and CPU encode at the same time, then sure. Great. OK. So then they have another demo. They're running Battlefield 1, 4K, with GTX Titan XP, which is like OK, that sounds about right. And given that Nvidia didn't give the cards to them, I guess AMD actually ran out there and spent like no over a G twice. I mean, I feel like AMD might end up buying a couple of Nvidia cards and vice versa from time to time. It might happen. From time to time. They might make it into the labs, you know. But they so they had Ryzen and a 6900K playing Battlefield 1. And I'll say this. The frame rates looked a little slower on Ryzen. Was there an FPS counter or was it just like OK? Yeah, FPS counter. They had it in the corner. So it was free to touch. You could navigate the tank exactly in the same spot. You could kind of move it around and see how the dips went. You could fire the gun, see how it dips. And Ryzen mostly held its own. OK. It's like 96 to 97 percent of the way there. And they don't have their dynamic clock boosting on yet. Oh, right. Because it wasn't the first time they were showing something like it was like clocked to like three gigahertz or whatever compared to Broadwell. Right. So now they've got it clocked at three point four. OK. And that's all eight cores. And that's all eight cores. But the rumor is that it's going to boost maybe another 300 megahertz higher than that. OK. So that's interesting. Interesting. So do we have an idea of what price is going to be on this thing? No. OK. So this could be really impressive or just kind of whatever. So there's a couple of different ways that AMD can attack this. They can either go the route that we've seen. OK. How many years has it been since we've had a graphics card that has come in and been like 60 percent as fast as the flagship or the like? OK. OK. Let's say it's like 90 percent as fast as like the next one from the team other team. Right. Right. And it comes in at like 70 percent of the price. Right. It doesn't happen. Doesn't happen anymore. Yeah. I mean, 480 was like pretty good. But then Nvidia countered with the three gig 1060 and it all kind of the stack made sense again. Your laptop just turned off like almost immediately. I thought the toll stream just crashed. Sorry. No. Go ahead. Go ahead. All good. Geez. I like that screen just went like black a little too fast. Yeah. Sorry. So yeah, I totally got you. Right. So they're pretty much going to price this whatever they want to. And if they think they can come close to Intel performance, they might as well come close to Intel price. But if they do that, what do all the AMD fans who have been waiting all this time for AMD to come up with something competitive, what do they have to show for their for their patients? So AMD is in a position where they have to be aggressive to please their fans. I think I feel. But if they go too aggressive, they force Intel to react. So AMD needs to kind of be like a little bit better. And it's almost like if they give it away, they're actually going to they're going to screw themselves. So do you think what? So say we're getting 90 percent of performance with the right. Right. Just throwing a number out there. So throw a random number. Sure. So what if that's like 80 percent the price? I think that's I think that's pretty close. OK. I think maybe even so I think it'll be like 80 percent of the price on the chip. And I think the board's going to be a little cheaper. Yeah, I agree with that. Because Intel charges a lot for a chipset. The boards were also shown. Yes. Right. Yes. So the platform. Very interesting. I thought because AMD said, look, we're we're making a high end CPU, damn it. And so we're going high end. But the reality of it is that there's a lot of stuff about HEDT high end desktop Intel's 2011 three platform. That makes no sense. Even in an enthusiast computer. Do you need 40 PCI Express lanes? What are you looking up to your PCI Express lanes? 18 graphics cards. Right. Exactly. OK. So do you need all of these PCI Express lanes? Probably for certain super high end applications. But I feel like 98 percent of people never actually utilize that's right. So Intel's HEDT has server DNA. Right. Right. And that's where it actually makes sense. That's where that stuff makes sense. So but then Intel's desktop platform with its 16 plus four PCI Express lanes. As soon as you put a graphics in there, it's like all you got left is kind of four lanes for your. Now we've got NVMe storage. Exactly. That's it. We've got SATA drives. We've got like maybe you want to throw in some a couple more PCI cards. You know, motherboards are starting to ship with 10 gigabit networking on them. Right. That uses a significant amount of bandwidth. So I feel like Intel's consumer is almost too consumer. Sure. Sure. No, I can totally agree with that. So AMD went right in the middle. OK. 24 PCI lanes off the CPU. So that's 16 dedicated for graphics. Another four dedicated for NVMe storage. OK. And another four to the chipset to handle your land USB 3.1 Gen 2. So when you say dedicated, it's not specifically dedicated. Right. I believe it is. Is it really? Because Intel is set up somewhat similar. That's what DMI 3.0 is. It's basically PCIe that goes from the CPU to the chipset that acts as a communications hub. So AMD has gone and positioned Ryzen and their 370X, I think, is the highest end chipset. Yeah. Kind of like dead center. OK. OK. So that makes sense. I feel like, I mean, first of all, they've got eight cores and it seems like these eight cores are going to be a pretty decent step up over what we've had in the past. And that's not just AMD, that's for sure. Yeah. So it's like it makes sense that with more cores, there's a little bit more room kind of in the middle for them to kind of aim for the other features like PCI. That's right. So I'm done with that. I think it makes sense. And they're giving us a lot. There are five different chipsets, which I thought was a little low at the top. Yeah. So there's a super low power one designed for very small form factor stuff. There's two that would be considered high end and enthusiast level that will enable overclocking. So they're going a similar. And then there's two more like a mainstream and a business one or something like that. I forget exactly what they all are. But they're going a similar route to Intel on the whole, like, you know, pick your page and pick your decoder ring and unlock the overclocking, except that every Ryzen CPU is unlocked. So you don't have to pick a special CPU. You just have to buy a special board. OK, I'm done with that. I'm done with that. Why not? Right. I agree with that move. Yeah, absolutely. Because the reality of it is, is even on the Intel side, if you're going to overclock, you should be buying a decent board anyway. Of course. Absolutely. And any decent board is going to have a Z series chipset or X as it were. Anyway. Yeah. So don't walk down the CPU. You buy whatever CPU you want and then you buy a decent board, which presumably will have a top tier chipset and you overclock it. Yeah, absolutely. So there so far it looks like the approach is pretty consumer friendly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I I'm not one to have a ton of faith in any corporation. And I know a corporation is still made up of people, but I'm not one to have much faith in a corporation. So I'm saying an entity with a board of directors, because boards of directors are not and shareholders. Those are not the real people that you interact with. Right. Right. Or that I interact with. Those are the people who need to make sure that their next bonus is even bigger than the last one. That's right. These are these are money people. These are not these are not human interaction with customers and with influencers and with resellers people. So I have very little faith generally in a corporation to act in a consumer friendly manner. Absolutely. Once they have a product that they can sell for seven hundred and twenty two dollars, I expect them to charge seven hundred and twenty four dollars with a two dollar mail in rebate. OK, that's my expectation. Sign me up for that. Sign me up for that. Yeah. So it is refreshing for me to see that this thing is competitive. Yes. And that they're not necessarily going to grab the opportunity. With that said, we know nothing about pricing. Right. Do we have a rough release date at all? I think a rough release date is sometime in Q1. OK, so we're pretty close. Well, they had not only like two demo systems, so they had a lineup of 15 systems from like Origin PC and like this weird like Chinese computer brand. I'd never heard of it. Had like this crazy case like they had a bunch of partner systems. Right. They had rise in running in like the Vega demo. OK. OK. There was a Vega demo. It is my it is my belief at this time that I am the only one who has actually touched Vega. You actually touched it here at the show. Not only drop it. No. Well, you know what? I did. I did drop this. I did drop the chip. You actually did. There's a dead chip. I did. I did drop the chip. Was it dead before or after you dropped it before? I wasn't even attached to a GP. OK. Yeah. So I was I was playing with the chip. I was holding it. I was looking at it and and I like thought of my hands. No, yeah, sure. Sure. Of course. Yeah. Camera wasn't rolling. So it wasn't. I wasn't like staging it to be funny. It was just I was like, oh, shoot. I dropped it. I've done that before ever. But no real Vega. So our video is coming on that probably tomorrow. And OK, so what's the lid on there? I feel like we were like going hard on AMD right now. But other than that, is there anything else? Every time we every time we talk about any AMD news, like our viewers are just like, I mean, it gives us a reason to be excited. It is actually an exciting time. I feel like the last couple of years have been rough. Like, haven't it's been it's been rough. It's about time for some good news, for some positivity. 2017. Like, have you played around with Kaby Lake? No. 7700K. Not even a little bit. OK, don't bother. OK, cool. OK, I will not do that. Now we're on the same page. Don't bother. Don't rise in. Save your time unless you want to watch 4K Netflix. You know what? On your computer? No, I don't. OK, no. Then never, never have I ever. Do you know what watching Netflix on my computer at all? I'm like, I like watching Netflix either on a tablet or just on my TV. OK, yeah, yeah, I buy that. The built in TV apps generally get bad. They get a lot of attention. And Mike, the TV I use actually has 4K and HDR as well. So it's like it's all built in. I usually don't like to use like the built in TV ads, but like it's all right there. Like same thing. We've been watching like Grand Tour through Amazon. 4K HDR touch nothing. It's actually it's beautiful. Beautiful. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yours is the Samsung one that you did the sponsored gaming setup thing for. Yes. That's the same one that I got for World's Most Comfortable. Is it? I believe so. I think so. Yeah. OK. It's a nice TV. It's a good TV. Now, of course, of course, this year the TV game is changing. Is it really? Is it actually changing? Just wait. OK. OK. OK. I'll give you this. I'll give you this. Samsung is redefining the television category. Redefining. Tell me more. With Q. Wait, Q led. Q led. Sorry. Q led. Q led. There's actually some dot in here too. I screwed up and I called it Q dot because it's quantum dot. Quantum dot. But wasn't quantum dot already a thing? Yes. But now they're calling it Q led. Q led. So I think the Q led is thing. I think the intent is to make it sound like and look like OLED. Oh, yes. Sure. Now, speaking of OLED, just jumping in, did you see the Sony OLED? No. Sony now has three TVs. I don't know. There's a specific brand name for them, but Sony now has three OLED TVs. And if you really find a picture of them, it's cool because it's essentially it almost looks like an easel sort of thing where like it sits down. It's like kind of tilted back. So from the front you just see a super thin bezel and there's like nothing below it. So what they're doing is they're doing some interesting stuff with the actual speakers where it's actually resonating through the glass. I've heard of stuff like that before. And it's got a sub in the back. Yeah, you can see right there. I'm going to try and screen share with them. Hopefully. Oh, I pressed a bad button. No, no, I think we're good. I think we're good. Are we still alive? Yeah, we're live. We are live. So this is from the verge dot com. Yeah. So you can see it's there's basically like almost no bezel. Right. So and there's nothing there's no bezel on the bottom and you can look at it from the side. So basically, I don't know if you see any like rear pictures, but it's sort of like got like a tilt in the back where there's a sub. But the idea is, is that not only is it thin, but there's some kind of speaker setup that's like actually uses the glass. There you go. But it uses the glass to actually resonate. So I haven't actually heard it. They have the demos up. But obviously, it's the show floor. But the Sony rep was talking about how it's sort of an interesting experience to have the sound come not from like the bottom of the TV, but actually from the screen itself. Yeah, exactly. Just jumping in. But all that is the game is definitely kind of heating up there. So I feel like Samsung absolutely has to be feeling the pressure. So I did go to LG today and I saw the wallpaper TV. I haven't seen that yet. OK, OK. It mounts. OK, so all you need to know to know it's amazing. It mounts with magnets. It mounts to the wall with magnets. OK, I need to see this. I just heard about this like an hour ago. OK, so it's really cool. It's like so fully rollable. Like you can like completely. No, no, no, no, no, no roll. But like they have one in the booth where they have like like a robot arm that's like peeling it up a bit and then putting it back. So you can see how thin it is and you can see how it's just like sticking. Right. It's crazy thin. And what LG is doing is OK. Do you know how I have my home computer set up with Corning optical. Oh, you have it all in the closet. In the closet. Yeah. OK. So, you know, OK. So your Samsung TV, you know how it has the one connect. Yeah, absolutely. So it has a one. It has a single connector, assuming you don't need to plug in hard line networking. You know, your TV. Yeah. No, Wi-Fi is for chumps. I mean, I literally have an on hub router like six inches away from my TV, which has one ethernet. I have a switch in the back of the TV, but it's fine. OK, I'm good. I'm fine. So anyway, the one connect is a single cable that goes to the TV and then the wire, the course, not very long. I think it's only about four feet. Sure. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. So so the idea, though, is that that's where all your HDMI inputs go. And then the USB on there, I think. So it's like clean wiring. Right. Anyway, LG is taking it one step further. So they've got a short cable that runs to like a speaker bar that sits under it that also access all the inputs and everything, kind of like on their signature last year where it had like that speaker bar base with all the inputs. OK, so this year they're using an optical cable that is pretty short to start, but comes with a six foot extension. OK, so you can actually get like the input nonsense kind of like away from it if you're using your own home theater speaker setup. And you would basically just have this wallpaper TV. How did the actual TV look? Really good. OK, so it's even being as thin as it is like there was no like was it 1080 4K? It was 4K. 4K. And what size was it? It was. So they're doing 65 and 77. All right. So about like the right size. Yeah. You get any bigger than that. It's like the thing's not transportable. Sure. Right. Like how are you going to get it home? Yeah, this sounds cool. OK, interesting. So is this still in the concept stage? OK, no, no, this is going to be a real product like Q1. Oh, yeah. It's like Q1. Oh, yeah. It's coming. Yeah. Yo, OK. There's like lots of them here. So there's a bit of a caveat, though. It's OLED. It still doesn't achieve the thousand nit peak brightness that is considered acceptable for mastering HDR content in the first place. So even though LG is supporting all four, I didn't even realize there were four, all four flavors of HDR. So there's HDR 10. Right. There's Dolby. There's Technicolor. OK. And then there's see, I actually might still have my notes open from the LG booth today. Yeah. Technic. Yeah, because I know that there's main 10, which I feel like is probably becoming the most popular right now. But I think most like the Xbox one. Actually, Xbox one is main 10, I think. Yeah, I think that's the last one. Yeah. So so it supports all four, although one thing I do have. So it doesn't achieve that peak brightness that people are looking for. And then they also have a quantum dot competitor. And it took me. It was so funny. So I'm like, what is this? The guy's like Nano Dot. And I'm like, so what is it? He's like, it's it's it's it's nano particles that are made to optimally filter and enhance red and green. And I'm like, OK, or red and blue, whatever it is. I think it's red and green. Anyway, whatever. So I'm like, OK, so it's quantum dot. And he's like, no, it's there one nanometer instead of like two to 12 nanometers of our competitors. It's like putting the filter closer to your eyes. And I'm like, OK, so like how does it go in there? And he's like, it's on a film. And I'm like, OK, so it's quantum dot. And he's like, look, we're not supposed to say that. And I'm like, dude, what I have like 18 minutes in your booth. Is it quantum dot? And he's like, yes, quantum dot. But it's like really good quantum dot. I'm like, OK, like, that's fine. I respect that. There's nothing wrong with that. But don't don't confuse me intentionally. Just tell me what it is, because it's my job to DBSify this stuff. Don't BS me. Go go put that on your flyer. Future Shop or Best Buy Future Shop doesn't exist anymore. Canadian Circuit City. Yes. The source. So go put that on your flyer. I don't care. My audience is too smart for that. They're going to kill me. And that's going to make me mad at you for you telling me the wrong thing to tell them. Don't do that to me. So anyway, so quantum dot. So quantum dot. So basically the biggest real downside there is just the brightness. But like on a panel so thin, I feel like I would be willing to kind of give that up a little bit. And you know what? Quite frankly, there's only one piece of HDR content that isn't a tech demo that I've that I've seen. OK, I'll say movie, actually, because some of the stuff on Amazon Prime. Like an old HD Blu-ray? Yeah. Life of Pi looks. Oh, yeah. Unreal. Yeah. In HDR. Yeah. Absolutely unreal. And with the signature, which is I think 600 nits peak brightness, I want to say. Was it really? Yeah. Wasn't that high. But because the blacks are so deep and I'm usually watching in a fairly dim room, I didn't feel like it took away from the experience at all. Right. I didn't feel like the whites were not quite dazzling enough. Yeah. I mean, that that's that feels like a really bright TV. I know. So is a thousand it's for all of the HDR standards or is it different depending on the standard? OK, so it's complicated because this whole thing is complicated. OLED gets so there's two different standards. Right. So OLED kind of gets one standard. I see what you mean. Because the blacks are deeper. Right. Because it's not necessarily about the peak brightness as much as it is about the contrast. The range. Right. Right. So it's different rules for LCDs that can't achieve pure black. Right. So they have to go crazy, crazy white to burn your retinas. That's right. So LGs are hitting like 1500 nits peak brightness on the nano, nano dot or whatever they're calling it. Wow. But then I think a lot. I think Samsung's QLED is up near 2000 or something like that. What's the point? Like at that point, like the TV that's like got to be insanely bright. So so the point is not that you would ever have the whole TV that bright. In fact, one of the most annoying things about my OLED at home because I use it, I have a computer hooked up to it. If I open up File Explorer full screen, whole thing goes down because between oh, we can't handle between power, power efficiency, like regulations. Right. They can't actually draw that much power to have every pixel 100 percent white. You know, this feels like this feels like car manufacturers getting into like a horsepower war. It's like, well, are you going to do 200 miles an hour wars going to 205? It's like it's being those 65 miles an hour. I know what you guys are talking about. It feels exactly like that. And to actually punch through the nonsense and test it requires actually quite complex test patterns because you have to have enough enough dark in the scene. Kind of trigger the algorithm to go, hey, look, I can actually crank the bright. Right. Man, this HDR stuff is goofy. Right. Like HDR content looks nice. Don't get me wrong. It's like the standards, all the different styles. Like it's such a nightmare. It is a total nightmare. Like why do we need for like any reason for I knew of three. It's a cluster, man. It's a total cluster. Yeah. And then on the content creation side of things, it gets more complicated. So this actually had nothing to do with the show this year. Yeah. But I had a great meeting with a guy from portrait, which formerly Spectra Cal. You know, Spectra Cal. Yeah. OK. So they got acquired by portrait. So now his email is him at portrait. So I'm like, OK, hi. You're still you. But you still exist. Good job. Different you acquired you. So I had a meeting with him and he goes, yeah, mastering HDR content is a total disaster. There's one display. It's like a 30 something inch display that everyone is using. I forget what the number was because at that point it doesn't even really matter. It was like 30000 or 50000 dollars. There's one display and there is the support is like kind of iffy. DaVinci Resolve apparently is like kind of the go to. I hear a lot about that with HDR. Yeah. And he goes. But there's there's like there's like so that's why only like huge budget guys are able to master in HDR. You're coloring on a 50,000 display. You probably have some resources behind you. You can use scopes. Right. And you can kind of get there. Right. But that's not the right way to do it. And if you want if you want to grade for an aesthetic, you have to be able to look at it. And the thing is, so when you master in HDR and we have like I've looked into it a little bit, but like I kind of get daunted by just like how much there is. So HDR is all 10 bit, right? That's my understanding. But like 10 bit is not HDR. But HDR is always 10 bit. It's going to be more. Yes. OK. So at least 10 bit, right, which is pretty much all web content like this, for example, is 8 bit. Yes. Like basically everything you watch right now is 8 bit. YouTube does support. It does now. It does now. But it doesn't support 10 bit by itself. It's HDR, which is all underneath it. But then there's also the color space is wider, isn't it? Rec 2020. That's right. Which is like 30 percent. I don't know. It's a wider color gamut. Much wider. Yeah. And there's no display on Earth that can get anywhere near everything, everything in Rec 2020, which is fine. Because there's a lot of room to grow in it. And then and then making matters even more complicated is that if you're working with a monitor. So let's say so. So, for example, LG is launching some HDR monitors. So the first thing I did, I was like, blah, blah, blah. Are these suitable for content creation? And they kind of go, no, we'll get back to you on that. Oh, OK. OK. That's like a maybe that's a strong maybe. No, that's I don't think it's strong. I think it's a weak sauce. Maybe. And so I so I went I went straight to my portrait guy and I'm like, hey, do you think we can create a show on this? He kind of goes, yeah, it depends. Can it do a thousand nits? Peak brightness. He really wants that. And it depends on what kind of HDR it supports. Then then it's dependent on the video card. So it was only this generation of Pascal video cards from Nvidia where they finally allowed 10 bit output on the non quadros. Is that what it was? That's something that they've been holding back on Quadro for since. Well, for forever. Pretty right. Right. Because 10 bit has preceded HDR. That's right. It's been around forever. 12 bit video has been around for. That's right. OK, so basically, come on. Basically, this is like Blu Ray versus HD DVD, except lame and times a thousand. Yes. And yeah, pretty much. So anyway, there's a solution. So is there there was there's a Sony TV that's around five, six grand. That's like a 65 inch. OK. That has a mode specifically designed not for mastering HDR, but it's designed to behave like an HDR mastering display so that the client can sit and look at the TV while the colorist is working on the 30,000, 40, whatever, thousands of dollars. But what people have discovered is that it's actually very suitable. Oh, really? So you can use it for every. So we're thinking about, hey, maybe we should make a color station. Have you guys looked into actually and we're trying to get way in the weeds here for a second. But like what the actual workflow is to get HDR content onto YouTube. Is it just a simple. OK. I haven't. Because I think you export in Premiere. Right. Then you plunk it into DaVinci Resolve. Oh, this is selling. Hold on. Hold on. OK. And then it adds a bunch of metadata. Right. And then exports and then you upload with the metadata. That's I've never tried it. To be fair, I do know the new version of Final Cut does support REC 2020 straight out. So you can take Final Cut and you can put it up your butt. I could do that or I can render my beautiful HDR video available now at YouTube.com slash. Yeah. As if I would upload your videos. They're far too crispy for my channel. So assuming that you get the file out somehow and even if it's a giant pain, you have to like run through multiple things. Can you just upload it to YouTube? Because I know we were looking through 30 HDR videos that you can watch on YouTube now. That's right. But there's no clear way of knowing that you're watching HDR content unless you pull up like the stats for nerds. It's not there's a little like HDR badge like 4K, which is like, right. Is this even working? Yeah. And I'm not only that to make things even more complicated. Say I get an HDR video to YouTube. YouTube compresses it and all that kind of stuff. It sends it out. How do you watch HDR YouTube unless you have maybe like a Chromecast Ultra? That's the only device I know that does HDR right now. Right. Because like there are no computer monitors that you can watch it on. Not yet, but soon. There are no phones that are HDR compatible. Maybe. Oh, that's I thought. Oh, I thought isn't the iPhone 7. It's wide gamut. It's wide gamut. Wide gamut, but not HDR. Because I know that the iPhone and the iMac, they both have the same. It's not it has a specific color space. It's not the same, but it's it's whiter. I don't know if it's HDR. So it gets even more complicated there because I talked to Dell and they were saying that one of the issues in the industry is that there's lots of monitors out there that are going to do better than SDR, but are not up to the like the the right. The cinema industry HDR spec. And I think the industry has basically decided to just call them HDR with like HDR certified or some other moniker to come after that. Okay. Okay. This is actually gross. Let's give up on HDR. Have you seen the 8K display? No, I have not seen it, but it sounds crispy as they might say. Oh, kill me. Okay. Yo, so did you actually see it yet? I touched it today. You touched it. Okay. I touched it. Was it actually crispy? I touched it with my eyeball because that is how close I had to get to see a pixel. There's no way you can see pixels. There's no way on 8K. How big is the display? Okay. It's 32 inches, I believe from Dell. Okay. It's unreal. So the thing had about 15. Imagine this. Okay. 1500 clock faces on a 32 inch display. Okay. So it's like, like 60 by like 40 or something. I forget what it was, but I like didn't math in my head and it was probably wrong. So you've got like over well over 1000 clock faces. Right. I could get right in on them. Okay. And there's like spacing around the clock faces like this, like a square. And then there's like a circle inside and then there's like lines. And then I could see the minute lines on the clock faces. Okay. Okay. Okay. Can you just calm down for a second? Because I don't think I can handle the stress right now. Okay. So I'll just calm down. 8K monitor. So let's come down to earth for a second. Yeah. Can I actually? No. Okay. Thanks. Go ahead. But whatever you're gonna say no. To connect it to anything, you need dual display for it. No, no, no. Worse than that. Is it really? Okay. Here we go. So step number one. Step number one. It is 10 bit, which is okay. Great. Um, it is, it has great viewing angles, which is cool. I would expect for like a million dollar monitor. It has a programmable lot, which basically means that you can calibrate the monitor directly. Okay. And then plug it into anything and it will retain the color properties of the printer that you want it to to look like. Right. Okay. Okay. Okay. Got it. Like if you plug in through the hub, right? The USB hub on the monitor. Right. And there's a supported, um, it's the I one is the I one display pro. It's like that the standard one that everybody uses. And if you use that it even like fills in all the metadata and crap in the calibration program. Okay. Delco created with extra. It's like this is over the top. I love it. Okay. So it's so very cool. Very cool. Um, but how do I actually I want to watch it is not HDR. That's fine. No HDR. Okay. So you want pixels. You just want pixels. We just discovered that HDR is terrible and we'll be ready. I didn't say terrible. Okay. It's a disaster. It's a mess. Okay. Okay. Okay. So now it is a tiled display. So you remember the early 4k displays guys, I still have one of those in my apartment. Right. Okay. So we were doing two display port 1.1 Zin. Yeah. Okay. So here's the problem. Display port 1.2. How high does it go? You remember 1.2. That was 4k. Right. 4k. How many Hertz 60. That's right. Okay. So here's I have a comment. Here's a small problem. Yeah. What can I do for you? They're working on getting it to work with just one cable. Not to you know, of course they are. Well, they said you'd be like all thrilled. One cable. Wait, are you trying to say that display port 1.4 I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll talk about that later. Okay. Okay. Sorry. Okay. Thank you. Taron. I had like a whole mission impossible creep over here. All right. Okay. So so right. Okay. So the math is pretty simple. We're to display port 1.2 4k 60 Hertz. Right. So it gets a quarter of the way there. 8k is quad that four times that. Right. So but we're not plugging in for display ports. Of course not. That would be crazy. Nothing. Nothing like that is going to be happening. So never. You need display port 1.3. Right. Which is not super common. Two of them. One point. What is 1.3 do 1.3. I don't remember. Yeah. 1.3 does do 5k 60 Hertz. So that's enough to drive the 33 million pixels. 33 million. That's a 33 megapixel. That's right. Wow. So the only cards on the market are the latest generation Pascal based quadros. The P 3000 the P 4000 and the P 6000. So you know what. Why don't we just for fun. You know what. Because this is the kind of thing that I do for fun. I go on new egg dot com. Okay. And I get really really mad about whatever is taking over my screen right now. And I go P 3000 quadro. Got it. Let's do it. And then I hate my time because I can't even buy one. So there's that. They're on sale. All right. I thought so. I actually I mean they had a demo unit. OK. No. We included the computer that they had in the booth was running off of some. Yeah. It was running off a quadro. Right. OK. So hold on. Why is my computer. Why is my computer being a butt head. Now is not the time. But head. OK. Quadro P 6000. Can I buy one of those. Quadro stuff like I am. You're killing the stream right now. I'm probably I'm probably killing the stream. You just used all the Internet. There's no Internet left. OK. Quadro P 3000 price. Let's just try a good old Google. And I spelled it wrong. But Google will fix that for me. Thank you Google. Google overlords. So no one's even talking about it. Where do I get one. OK. Are they on sale yet though. I don't even see anything. No. Go up. Go. Yeah. I got no idea. Quietly. Announces. Yeah. Announces in July. But like I don't see him. I mean I'm guessing these things are not flying off the shelves right now. But yeah. So OK. So there you go. To display for one point three. So give up and go home. Oh and did I mention that the monitor costs five grand. Which actually that's actually not going that and yeah that's not totally insane. It's not that far out there compared to like. I don't know if you guys remember like the old Apple 30 inch. Oh yeah. The old Apple 30 inch. Yes. No. I don't know. You know I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Oh man, dude, that was like... That was like 12 years ago, 13 years ago. Yeah, back when the 30 inch monitors first hit the scene. That was 1440p, right? No, that was the predecessor to 1440p, 2560 by 1600. Back when we had 16 by 10 aspect ratio. Fine, fine. I loved 16 by 10 aspect ratio. Now, why are you all about making me sad on the show today? I don't know, I just, I have this effect on people. Speaking of sadness. Sadness. Sponsor, Squarespace. Squarespace lets you create a beautiful website and actually including them in the WAN show was not something that we promised them. 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And what it does is it allows over the network your keyboard and mouse to work across all of them. Oh, yo, that's cool. Yeah. That's cool. So Luke did a demo with it where he had six computers lined up and just like we moved the mouse across them all. Wait, sorry, so as if like they were all like one computer and like a bunch of displays side by side. That's right. How does that work? The latency is really low. Not like gaming. But for desktop use, it's like. That could be like an ultimate way of getting like a giant cheap setup if you don't wanna like get like some Quadro crazy card to like have like a million displays or something. Yeah, potentially. I think more people are using it for like, this is my like render machine. Oh, I see, I see. They just go bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop over here as if it's a separate display but it's completely different computer. That is, that's cool. That's cool. So those guys are over at seamless.com slash Synergy slash linus-tech-tips. And you can save 25% on Synergy if you guys go check that out. I'm actually. I actually wanna go check that out. Those guys are gonna get a link in the chat. Let's get that. Whoa, a link in the chat? Let's get that link going on over there. Yeah, that's right. Wow. That's right. That's impressive right there. All right. Let's go ahead. Go right there. Okay. So let's talk about, do you want me to come up with a topic? Cause I got a pretty good one. I have absolutely no planning whatsoever. I just showed up. Which was nice of you. Okay. Have you seen Razer's concept? Triple display, no play. I saw everyone talking about it. I actually haven't seen it in person. I haven't seen anything cool to see yet. Actually I have, but I'll save that for later. Me? Is this hug time? We're going on camera right now. Okay. I feel better now. Thank you. Okay. This is getting a little close. It's not weird enough yet. Okay. Sorry. Go ahead. They're very strong. All right. Sorry. Words, technology, Razer. So you did a video on the triple screen. It's project what? Project Valerie. Valerie. I love, yo, can we give a shout out to Razer and their amazing project names? I feel like every CES. Fiona. Yeah. Christine. Dude. Okay. So it's essentially, is it similar to like a blade just with like the screen or like, is it a fully custom like laptop? It is similar to a blade pro. Okay. So that's the 17 inch blade with the terrible keyboard. Is it that bad? It's awful. It's the mechanical one, right? Yeah. I feel like I tried it and it wasn't that bad, but I didn't actually like properly use. I just like typed for like five seconds. Yeah. Not long enough. Okay. I tried to write my review of the blade pro on the blade pro. And you couldn't? And I switched back to my blade. I was done. Okay. That's a resounding recommendation for Mr. Linus Sebastian. I was entirely done, my friend. So basically the console instead of, you know how any modern notebook these days has like a pretty thin screen like display stack, right? They've got like a nice aluminum or like carbon fiber, some kind of cool material. They've got like really thin thing. Then they've got like a really slick display stack. I saw Dell's XPS 13 two in one. Super thin. Beautiful. Super thin. So anyway, the blade pro, not a blade pro, cause it's just, it's about the concept. It's not about the machine it's attached to that was just a convenient reason that they didn't have to create something custom to show their concept. But instead of having a thin display, it had like a display like this. Like an old school laptop. Yeah. And then the laptop is like this thick. Okay. So that's not crazy. It's 17 inches and it's like this thick. All right. But I mean, okay. For real though, like, so is this your daily? Yeah, this is my daily. So it's a 14, right? Yeah. So if you're carrying around a 17 inch laptop, portability is probably not your biggest concern. Okay. That's fair. I mean, for me, like if I'm carrying around the laptop that's that big, being a little bit thicker is not going to break it. Okay. Let me hit you with this then. If portability is not your biggest concern, why don't you just carry around a monitor? I mean, I don't carry around a 17 or a monitor, but in theory, if I was a person who was interested in a 17 inch laptop, it's going to be big. So being a little bit bigger and having two extra monitors, that, that's kind of compelling. I don't know how useful that's going to be, but that's a cool idea. Cause I feel like wasn't there another, some dual screen laptop that was like this a few years ago, where you would open it up and it wasn't three screens, but it was two screens that would like kind of like pop out. I don't remember the name of it, but do you know what I'm talking about? I don't remember that. I'm not Google like dual screen laptop or something. But I'm going to make a separate argument anyway. So my, what I think is that you're better off creating an attachment that runs off like Thunderbolt three. And you would like how like, like a clip on that folds up or something. Right. Because that way I don't have to carry it all the time. Or by the time displays get thin enough for that notebook to make any sense. I think we're going to have lighter, much higher resolution HMDs. Absolutely. And I'm going to sit and look at, if I, if I need a workspace this big, I'm going to sit and look at it in my HMD. This is what I'm talking about right here. Oh, what is that? The Co, CoGincia? This is two 10 inch. Yeah. CoGincia DZ. The DZ. Yeah. So basically it's like two 10 inch displays. I don't know what the mechanism is. I think it was a thing where it kind of like pops out, but I've seen this kind of thing before. I've never seen three displays and everything that I have seen was kind of basic. Like it was kind of, it was obviously super thick. This seems to be actually, even though it's obviously thicker than a traditional screen, it seems like it's like a properly designed thing. That's actually kind of cool. Yeah, there you go. Okay. So here, let me just, let me just get that on the stream for you guys. So this is the one that, that Austin was talking about. So it's obviously really clunky. And this is a little bit of an older design, dude. I don't know when it's from, but it's like, it's definitely a few years old. Okay. So here's project Valerie. Have you at least seen it? I've seen like pictures on Twitter. I haven't watched any videos at all since I've been here. Okay. So here, let's, let's- Oh, so wait. So do the screens actually kind of tilt out towards you or are they all flat? So that depends on which one you're using. They actually had two. Oh, okay. Okay. So here we go. So here's the, here's the one that, oh, really? Okay, whatever. Good enough. I mean, Twitch compression is going to look like balls anyway. So this is the one that had like Faco- Oh, like arms? I'm actually showing people, showing this to people. Yeah, I am. Oh, what did I just do? You actually zoomed in on it. What did I do? Oh, you opened the actual image. Okay. Okay. So this is the one that had like Faco hinges that are like the concept for how it would kind of like straighten out and then like fold in and slide in. So this is the one that actually gives you a little bit of surround where there's like, it's not just a fully flat setup. Okay. And then you also had another one in the suite that had the two outside displays in front of the back one. And you just kind of slid them out and they were all kind of in a straight line. Okay. So that's what they- Is it thinner? That's what's working now. No, no, they're both equally thick. That one's working now. And the other one just had like concept hinges done up. They were like, don't pick it up. Don't pick it up. Don't touch it. The hinges will fall off. Have you dropped anything at CES besides Ryzen? Oh, sorry, Faco. I've dropped a few things, but I haven't broken anything yet. Oh, good job. I'm actually doing- Dude, we're like halfway through CES right now and you haven't broken anything. That's a really good process. I'm doing really well this year. Good job, man. Good job. You're pulling your life together. I'm feeling good about that. I'm not proud of that. I wouldn't say I'm pulling my life together, but I'm definitely pulling my not dropping things properly. I mean, yeah. Right, it's gonna be unhappy, but whatever. Okay. Predator 21X. Yo, dude, I haven't seen it yet. It looks so great. It looks like the coolest thing ever. Well, not really, but it's so ridiculous. I love it. It's 18 pounds. I mean- It's got dual 1080s, right? Dual 1080s, totally unfettered. Dual 1080s, no TDP restrictions, none of that BS. Does this thing actually have a battery? Yeah, it's not very big. Can you run this thing for 15 minutes on the battery? I didn't even ask. It's like asking about the fuel economy of a Lamborghini. Yeah, it's like, so this thing gets a good highway fuel mileage, right? If I go on a road trip to Castlegar, British Columbia, how many times will I have to fill my tank with super, super premium? No. Okay, okay, so we've got a 21 inch curved display. 21 inch curved display. So wait, how is the curved display? Cause I don't think I've ever seen a laptop with a curved display. Nobody's ever seen a laptop with a curved display because it's bananas. Cause it's completely, I mean, the clamshell. Is it like the surface book? But kind of like in reverse, where it's on the front instead of on the side. But it's like, it's a big, you know, flip it upside down, you got a big smiley face. Like it doesn't- Or a banana shape, you might say. Yeah, and we should have put a banana next to it for scale. Yeah. Which would have been the optimal way to show up. Did you see the picture of someone putting a 12 inch MacBook on top of it? It was the most hilarious thing ever. Oh man, no I didn't. It was like, yeah, I mean, you can imagine what that would look like. It was like, I don't know. Terrible. Yeah. Terrible. So, okay, so this thing is custom ordered though, right? Like this is not like a thing I'm just gonna walk into. No? No. I talked to them about that. Okay. That was the plan. Right. But they've actually since reversed that decision. Really? Yes. There was that much excitement and that much hype about it. It is a not, okay, so I had a contact of mine who you also know, but I'm not gonna name this person. Yeah. So he reached out to me and tell me that if I could steal it from Acer, this contact of mine would pay double the sticker price to have it today. Wow. I believe, and apparently Acer also believes that there is a market out there. I don't know what retailer is gonna carry this thing. I mean, can you imagine accepting a return 9,000 dollars. On a 9,000 dollar laptop? That's, there goes all your profit in the entire laptop category for the day for the store. I'm assuming Acer's selling it directly. I would have assumed that too, but I don't think so. Wow. I think they're trying to go, because they're a channel company. Right, right, right. I don't think they've ever sold anything directly. I mean, they have an online, oh, actually does Acer even have an online store? I think they have to figure that out. I think they have to go direct. Right, because, so what I heard was, because they had pre-announced this a while back, right? But the CS was the actual proper, like, this is an actual thing, it's on sale. I think they've shown it in person before, but this was my first hands-on, and they had like two of them there. Like, it's a more real piece of hardware now. I knew it was real when John did a video on it. Right. So, the idea here is that for $9,000, you're getting an i7. $9,000. $9,000. Too bad it's not over $9,000, but whatever. So, 21-inch display. Yeah. You've got dual 1080s. Curved. Curved display, I mean, of course, naturally. It's got a mechanical keyboard. Yeah. Is it not terrible, or no? Yeah, it's fine. Okay, it's fine. It's a Cherry on my screen. Yeah, I was about to say, you can fit like full-size keys. Yeah. It doesn't have like three or four drive. Like, isn't there like multiple PCIe? Dual NVMe, and then I think it also has a two and a half inch, and then I'm not sure about anything else. Okay. Yeah. So, this thing is ridiculous, and I love it because of that. Yeah. Like, this feels like what, when I first started going to CES, way back in 1973, the thing was, things were exciting. Yeah. And part of it was because I was like minus 14 years old, but like the exciting part was, look at all this crazy wild stuff that's coming out. And I feel like CES is so safe now. It's like, oh look, this laptop is marginally thinner, or this one is slightly faster. Different hinge. This is crazy. Yeah. This is cool, I love that. Pushing the limits. Absolutely, and that's what tech should be about. That's what CES should be about. This is, I absolutely love everything about this. It's goofy. This has been a great CES, actually. It's not bad, man. I'm having a lot of fun. I mean, my voice has been completely dead all day, but besides that, it's not bad. But no, this thing is awesome. I'm totally sad that I haven't seen it yet. Is it Acer, their suite? It's at, so I had never actually visited them at CES before. They rent out the entire floor of, I forget exactly where we were, but it's like. It's like a proper space. Huge. Okay. Huge. I'm gonna have to go try to swing by and see that tomorrow, because that sounds awesome. If you need a contact there, I will, I'll let you know after the show. So can I chime in with something that I saw at CES? Yes. Have you checked out Faraday Future? No. Okay, do you know anything about Faraday Future? No. Okay, so. Hit me. Basically, Faraday Future is a new company that is, it has a lot of former Tesla employees. And essentially what they're doing is they're building, I would say a competitor to the Tesla Model X, right? So it's got some goofy names, like FF91 or something. I probably butchered that. But basically what they're doing is they're launching, it's a luxury SUV, fully electric, right? So they're definitely taking notes out of Tesla's Playbook. I mean, it's a fully electric vehicle. It's very expensive. It's got screens and stuff. But these guys have kind of taken it to the next level. So you've never seen this at all? No. Look up a picture of it, and I want your initial reaction. If you can like screen, because it's a polarizing design for sure. What they've done is. Okay, I'm screen sharing. Okay, so. All right, let's do it. Let's do it live. What am I looking for? Faraday Future. Faraday Future. I believe it's the FF90. Does anyone know Faraday Future? Is it FF91? No, FF91, yeah. Oh, wow, it's not even. I mean, they only announced it the other day. They actually had like a disastrous press launch where it was supposed to like park itself and it didn't. But look at. It looks like a Batmobile. There you go, there you go. No, it doesn't. It looks like something out of Tron maybe? It's. Or something out of. I don't even know what it's. Yeah, it's super unique looking. Honestly, I will say this. I saw the pictures and I'm like, that is hilariously ugly. Saw in person, it's not that bad. I mean, it's still enormous. So it's super long, right? So they have models with like two and three rows of seats. But like, if you get the two row, you're basically seeing like a first class like airline seat. Like it is massive back there. So we got to check it out. Marques and I had, actually Marques did a full video if you guys wanna go check that out. He went really in depth on it and the whole thing. But essentially there are a couple of the cars around. There's one actually at the show floor where you can take a look. And that's the one I think that you're looking at right there where it's like the full exterior. Yeah. Like so this is all LED. Here, hold on. Let me go back to share with them again. Yeah, yeah. So basically the whole grill right here is all LED. There are also, there's like a LiDAR that pops out of the hood. There are like lights below for like the inductive charging. On the side there are LEDs. I believe they said that there are 13 different displays. Like on the doors there are displays. When you sit in the car, each person has their own display in the door where they can change like the heated seats and stuff. This thing is wild. It's crazy. But the cool part is, so this is the one with the fully done interior and exterior. They said it's basically what the production car is gonna look like. And this is going to be shipping. I believe you can actually purchase one already if you pre-order. I don't know what the actual price is gonna be, but I know that you can drop $5,000 on a pre-order, which of course, you know, for a car. But what we actually got to do, what was cool was we actually get to drive in it. So they had a couple of sort of beta models of the car. So the first one was the autonomous driving. I think it was the same one that they showed. So at their actual press conference, I think I wasn't, I didn't actually watch it, but what I heard is that they did it twice and one of the times it failed. Yeah, I heard that, yeah. We actually got to do it. It was a fairly simple demo, honestly. It was not anything crazy. We basically got in the car, it drove around the parking lot, found a spot, pulled in. Okay, sure. Not crazy, cool. What was really cool is we actually got to drive in the performance test. So they had this giant, like basically, airline hanger looking thing, right? It wasn't an actual airline hanger, but a huge inside space was all kind of roped off. So the main test driver who's like doing all like the shakedown, super passionate guy, right? If you watch Mark's video, you'll see he's the guy who's actually driving the car. So we did a little, kind of like driving around. Mind you, this is an enormous vehicle, right? It's hard to get an idea, like for scale, maybe like a Chevy Suburban, it's like something like that. It's much bigger than a Model X. Now I don't know the exact, it's huge. And you can kind of see in the pictures where it's like it's very long and stretched, right? Big, big vehicle, all season tires. Like this is not, like this should not be a crazy performance vehicle. So we started doing like some skid pad stuff, some slalom stuff, then we did a launch. This thing is unbelievably fast. So have you ever done like a launch like a Tesla? I have never been inside a Tesla. Never, really? You should do that. But, okay, so Teslas are fast. And one of the things that make electric cars really quick is that the fact that they get that instant torque, right? You hit the motor, it's not like it's gotta spin up and change gears, you get 100% of power immediately. So this giant, giant car SUV crossover, whatever you wanna call it, will do zero to 60 in 2.3 seconds. What? 2.3. For comparison, that Lamborghini you did is probably similar to the three second range. Yeah, no, no, it's much slower than that. Yeah. Yeah, so hold on, well let's look it up because I'm pretty sure. 2.39 is what they quoted, which seems kinda cheeky because the Tesla will do 2.4. So like 2.4, how slow? We do 2.39, like that makes a difference. But this thing launches unbelievably fast. It is an enormous, enormous vehicle on all season tires. It is unreal. When they launched it, it really felt like, have you ever been on one of those roller coaster rides where it's like you're at a stop and they'll like do, they'll like launch you? Like it's just like that instant immediate, like that first half second where you like go from zero to like 30 it feels like. It was crazy. And I've been in Teslas, and I mean, it's not crazy different, but the difference is this thing is enormous. No, you're right, you're right. Yeah, it's probably somewhere in the sort of, I don't, they have the Aventador. I don't think I see the, You have the, I was in the Gallardo. Gallardo. Yeah, the Gallardo, it's gonna be three, maybe low four. But this thing is 2.4 seconds, 2.39. Fairly Future is a company that has a lot of issues as far as like the whole, like they're trying to build like a factory in North Las Vegas, which apparently they've been having a lot of issues with, funding, they're like, there's a lot of like behind the scenes thing, but keep in mind this company is brand new, right? They've never created anything. One of the guys said that there are 1,500 employees already. Like this is the first car, but obviously the idea is that they're gonna be building more. Like they've got the chassis and the motors and stuff. This thing has like a thousand horsepower by the way. And it's supposed to have, I think 130 kilowatt hour battery, which is probably why it's so long. Right. It's a super interesting thing. I think a lot of people are afraid that it's gonna be vapor and that the company may not actually be able to pull through. But from what I saw, they've got something cool here. I think it's a little bit polarizing on the looks front, but the interior that I saw was cool. But most importantly, the performance is real. Like it's an actual thing that they are, it might not be ready for prime time. And next year it might not be ready to actually be on sale. But it was really surprising after hearing all like the negative stuff around, because I mean, they're a fairly private company right now since they actually haven't like released a product. But I've got to say for everything I've seen at CES so far, besides one thing which is gonna be in a video soon, I can't talk about. But besides that, this is one of the coolest things I saw. Okay. So yeah, that's significantly faster than my motorcycle. What do you have? It's an SV650S. And I think that gets, just looking it up online, somewhere in the neighborhood of 3.3 seconds. Which is insanely fast. Yeah. But this is like a giant, giant, like SUV. Like a boat, basically. Exactly. Wow. It's crazy. A thousand horsepower. A thousand horsepower. So yeah. Fascinating. That is one of the coolest things I've seen in a while. I did not expect it to be as actually legit as it was. Here's a cool thing that I saw. LG has abandoned the modular smartphone concept after one attempt. So in response to all the haters that I got on my G5 review, which was not a very positive review. I did get a couple things sort of wrong, which happens from time to time. You know how it is. No, I've never had anything wrong. In response to all the haters, this is the best thing ever. My friends and I all own G5s. We think it's the best thing since sliced bread. Apparently more people agreed with me because it's dead. The thing was they didn't really do it right. They immediately got upstaged by the Moto Z, which you just snap it on. You've played with the Moto Z, right? I have. It's a much better way of doing it versus turning the phone off, taking it out, clipping on with the battery, which always felt to me like this is not gonna last. Like you're gonna break it. Yes. And then you have to put it back in and reboot it. And then it was always like everything had to be on the bottom, right? Was being able to snap stuff on the back, I think was a better solution. Very cool. And plus not only that, but Project Arna died, what, a couple months ago, right? So the modular smartphone thing, I don't know. So they're trying to go modular smartphone. And at the same time, Apple's getting even tighter integrated. And now we're waterproof and we're this and we're that. And it's hard to compete with a purpose-built device. For mainstream consumer stuff, the idea of being able to open it up and to be modular and to be able to customize it, I feel like that battle was lost a while ago. For enthusiasts, sure. But for mainstream stuff, there's not a whole lot you can do. If you open that laptop, what can you do to it? I can change the SSD and the wireless card. Perfect. Super awesomely upgradable, right? And this is not even a mainstream laptop, I would argue. This is very high-end. This is something that... This is, yeah. So I feel like with something like a smartphone, modularity is cool. But something like Project Arna always struck me as a thing where it's like, this is a cool idea in theory, but who is exactly going to buy this phone? Yeah. So I don't know. The G5 was a cool phone. I didn't really dislike it that much. I just thought that it was a little goofy. And I also didn't like the sort of plastic metal finish on it. Right. But I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. Okay, well I think that's pretty much it for my topics. I mean, there's a couple other little things. There's a new HDMI spec, 2.1. 2.1. So that's actually 8K ready, right? Yes, it is. So... Dynamic HDR, 8K resolution, and more. And more, my favorite part. Also that shiny new wallpaper TV, blah, blah, blah. I've gotta go check that. Is that the LG booth? Yeah, yeah, dude. I've gotta check that. Don't expect any updates. And it's out of date already, basically. HDMI 2.1, so there you go. I mean, it doesn't matter, because you don't need 8K support on a 4K TV. But... Does that matter how that works? You know, honestly, I'm frustrated at the way that the TV makers treat TVs like a one year and done. Oh, dude, absolutely. So I asked LG, I was like, hey, so the Signature, is that getting support for those two additional HDR formats that the new TVs or the 2017 models are getting? Like, they're like, no? And I'm like, you understand this is an $8,000 product, right, on some level. You know what surprises me? Same thing with cars, right? Yep. So you can buy a car, and it's like, the next year, there's like, oh, look, we're adding like Android Auto and CarPlay. Seems like it should be a software update. Like, oh no, you have to buy a new car. Yeah. It's like, are you kidding me? It's like, it's like, I feel like the reason, aside from just being cheapskates, like not investing in the R&D, I feel like the main reason is actually this incredibly myopic attempt to not cannibalize sales of the new product. Yeah. And what it demonstrates to me is a complete and utter lack of understanding of what the upgrade cycle for a major purchase, like a high-end TV or a car would be. Right, that's not a yearly thing. No. A 20, basically, all you've done, you haven't incentivized a 2016 customer to get your new OLED. You have given them a gigantic, like three-inch girth dildo up the butt. It's pretty accurate. For buying from you. That's what you've done. Yeah, I agree. You screwed them. You bent them over and screwed them. And then, what, you expect them to care that you added some stupid new feature that you're not giving to them because you're a jerk? And when it's actually time for them to replace that TV in five years, you think they wanna come to you? I mean, they don't really have a choice because nobody's doing this properly right now. But five years from now? Frustrating. I don't know, man. I don't know. So that's my take on that. That's just a short rant. So I think that's pretty much it. Thank you guys very much for watching the WAN Show. Huge shout out to Austin. You guys gotta go check him out over at Austin not Duncan 33303. You tell them where to find you. I don't know how to find you. Austin Evans on YouTube. That's right. That's all I wrote guys. Hey guys. Hey guys, this is Austin and I have no voice. Hey guys, this is Austin and I'm annoying. Yeah. Completely accurate on all fronts. So you guys go check him out. He's gonna have presumably at least one video from CES. He's been down here for like four days already. I shot three videos, but they're all being spaced out. Yeah, I'm just spacing them out. The content calendar, the schedule, production, words. I got like a team. We gotta have like a meeting. To be fair, we are supposed to be editing a video right now and people are texting me that the videos do and I'm like here with you. So I'll let you go. All right, thanks guys for tuning in to the WAN Show and we will see you again next week. Not at the same time, but definitely on the same channel. Probably with 100% more Luke, I hope. Yeah, I hope so. He's in pretty rough shape. Poor guy. Gotta get up so early tomorrow, man.