 Welcome to the land show guys. Sorry we are a little bit late. We had a bit of a setback this morning Which involved me rescuing slick from a bridge? Which could have been really bad You know the first thing the police officer told me when I showed up was that fairly recently Someone had been stopped in the exact same spot and had tried to fix their car went under their car and died because when we were ended them Wow, so he was like yeah Probably good that you're directing traffic. So your strategy of standing in the top of The like standing in a convertible seen them coming going like this So you could have at least lept into the oncoming traffic that was in either of the lanes on either side of you We got a lot of great topics for you today though guys. We're gonna be talking about Google's last got hacked Yeah, like big time like awesomely the new Motorola X is going to Um, so yeah moto X I guess is what they're calling it But the new moto X has is going to be always listening always listening for voice commands just like that What's that other device that has that that's like really good and everyone loves it and isn't intact happy about it Must have been well, it's not the second chronic connectic Canucks No, that's a hockey team. Not sure anyway, so we'll see how thrilled people are about this We've also got a super fast Thunderbolt flash drive prototype from Intel as well as some community topics including AMD 74 million dollar net loss last quarter, but It's not all bad news. It's not all bad news. They have a new CPU that looks pretty fast and they also have a Okay, they're saying Q3 return to profitability for advanced micro devices, which is extremely exciting So today stay tuned guys We also have our special guest Logan from raise the world or text and text syndicate but raise the world with a zero instead Of an O on YouTube. So that guy will be joining us later on in the show All right guys, we enjoy watching that intro probably just as much as you do seriously or maybe about ten times more than you do At least at least ten times. I think I have the worst hair ever today I think it would actually be improved by just doing this and mine's like fine. What happened? I know it's like opposite day or something like that It must be it must be the influence of your new roommate who has the best hair ever Seriously, yeah, okay. All right guys. We've got our first topic of the day Google Glass got hacksword yo here we go. So this is from NPR org and Pretty much this gentleman right here with the extremely scary mug is responsible for hacking Google Glass to allow facial recognition Which is something that Google really didn't want people doing for a number of security and privacy concern reasons. Sorry you were about to say something. I think it was Roger Robert or something They did the face recognition thing. Oh wait, hold on. Hold on. Which one's this? This is Stephen Balaban Yeah, I think he's implementing a new operating system and a way No, Balaban first announced he had built an app that lets folks use Glass for facial recognition And he has also set out right that his goal is to build an operating system that allows Google Glass to be That Google never really intended it to do So another another guy who found an interesting exploit Mark Rogers this this one's this one's fascinating He so he figured out that you could hijack glass with a malicious QR code If you go ahead sorry the amount of times people are just going to scan a QR code isn't safe Yeah, I know you just put a QR code on like a random piece of paper on the street And if someone's wearing a glass, let's face it. How much of a techie dork are they? Hey Google Glass scan this QR code. Why not? Right? If it's especially if it's something new I want to show your friends you're just going to scan it. I mean with all of this said I think the way that Google is Rolling out glass first of all by invitation only during the first wave and then to still The very select few I like that they're making it really expensive because let's face it They're Google if they wanted to sell them for a dollar or give them away honestly the loss on the glass project Has nothing to do with the hardware that the fact that they sell it for a hundred dollars or a thousand dollars Or ten thousand dollars actually doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of what they're spending on this project But by making the barrier of entry high I think they're going to attract a more responsible crowd They can basically have a selective user base Yes, yes a very selective a very selective user base So I mean this all comes along with the news that someone figured out how to get Google Glass to take a picture Simply by winking again these are things that it's not really supposed to do It's supposed to have a light when it's recording video it is supposed to Well who knows it's a cool new category right Yeah basically last week we talked about their FAQ about how they're going to have all this privacy stuff And we both mentioned how it was going to get blown wide open It's Android for one thing Makes it like you're asking for it to be blown wide open and then not even a week later we hear about this Which is where like in even more ways than we thought of it's been massively blown wide open And I mean Google's reacting very swiftly very strongly let's see So when Balaban first announced that he built the app that lets folks use Glass for facial recognition Google reacted harshly was the words that were used here So guys do check out the article on npr.org we should actually where are we going to post this doc So that people can actually check it out Why don't I post it in the Linus News and Rambling section of the forum I'll post the whole doc when we're done so you can check it out while you're watching the archive If you decide to do that Alright So I mean there's two ways of looking at this And the first thing I kind of think I said to you was You know Stephen Balaban why you got to be a douche about this Why you got to circumvent the EULA Why you got to use the device for things that wasn't intended I came back from that thinking about it from the open security point of view Which is where if he blows it open and releases it to everyone They can fix it And people can be aware of the problem They can know what's going on everyone's aware everyone's working to fix it If he doesn't then only select few very very small group of people will know about it And they will all be able to exploit it to a crazy degree Because no one will know about it and no one will be able to defend themselves from it Right Which leads us to I mean are the risks to our privacy really the ones that come from the things we don't know about Or are the risks to our privacy more to do with a changing of the way that we approach the world And the personal freedoms that we're giving up voluntarily That's the ladder in my opinion because if you know about something you can deal with it in whatever way you want That's just like how encryption works But isn't that just it people are going to know about the fundamental privacy flaw That is something like a wearable technology like whether it's Google Glass Or whether it's wearable computers such as smart watches which are going to be a huge play Oh yeah In the next year Everyone's jumping on that I mean for most users who really don't know what's best for them If you tell them oh well okay here's the risks and people will be able to see your face I mean so many callers last week by the way guys we are moving away from the random live callers during the WAN show And we are moving towards having those in the after party with just special celebrity callers during the WAN show itself I mean with most of them saying well I don't really have anything to hide But at what point does something happen like I was having when I ride my bike I'm often sort of lost in thought about something else because I have to be 100% focused on riding So I can't think about work or whatever else but sometimes that allows me to think about other things And one of the things I was thinking about is what if I was falsely accused in this day and age What if you know what if my wife died and I was falsely accused of whatever the case may be Does the technology that exists do more to Implicate or protect you Yes so if I were to say something like here's a picture of me somewhere else And the rebuttal is well that was clearly photoshopped look at the pixels Even if the picture was real am I being protected by this technology or are things being worse What if the same thing happened where someone was trying to prove that I was there They hijacked my twitter account and have me tweeting from a location at a particular time Sir did you ever not have your phone on you No no I've had my phone the whole time Anything you can say can and will be used against you in court That's right it will Can and will be used to protect you in court That's right Against you So that was just sort of a thought that I had and as we open ourselves up to more things That can pinpoint where you are and what you're doing at any given time Does that open up more potential for these things to be exploited Especially when they can be changed When they can be spoofed But then people believe them Yes Like any degree that whole thing where like picture it didn't happen Yes Like that used to be such a big deal but then photoshop became so easy to use and so popular that picture it didn't happen went away Then it became video or it didn't happen Yep But then video is so easy to mess with nowadays You saw the eagle picking up the kid on youtube So many people fell for that Yes Like video is so easy to mess with now Now what do you go to Now what do you go to Now everyone jumps on these tag things like geo location and pictures and all that stuff But that's easy to spoof too So and I mean and the whole thing innocent until proven guilty only really applies before everyone's decided you're guilty If all of us like okay the papers catch wind of this evidence of a picture that was taken with your phone at that location You're screwed Everyone thinks you're guilty at that point All of a sudden you're going to have protests all over the place about a verdict that lets you off because hopefully someone on the jury understands that that thing could have been faked in whatever way And hopefully whoever's going after you isn't sophisticated enough that they've Yeah Anyway that was just one of my random thoughts It's interesting this stuff is getting so nuts like okay I didn't follow the Zimmerman trial at all I was looking at it a little bit after the fact when I found out about the riots all over the place Yeah but like man I've heard stuff circumstantial evidence and all this stuff going all over the place It's getting crazy and like if you're not up on tech it's going to be hard to sit in on court And people are so polarized on an issue like that Like you try to read any Facebook discussion thread on the Zimmerman trial and half of the people are you know I mean It's just become a completely nonsensical fight We don't get into politics on the WAN show just to throw that out there for you guys But like half of the people are holding up signs saying like there's like an old white dude holding up a sign saying I didn't get followed And I'm sitting here going like you know what it's not even about races it's not about ideologies anymore It's about a perception Yeah And everyone perceives things completely differently All over perception And I don't know but then you look at sort of where that perception comes from and how that's changing right now With something like a hashtag or a location or I mean okay hashtag's a bad example But you know hashtag killed my wife You know that okay well you probably shouldn't use that hashtag Guys we are not trying to create a Do not No trending Twitter topics Hashtag killed my wife You did not see it here Oh my goodness That's ridiculous Let's move into our next topic here I think So this is an article from The Verge Man I love The Verge Those guys are awesome If you don't follow The Verge just follow The Verge and then you won't even have to watch our show Unless you love our color commentary So our color commentary is outstanding Follow The Verge and you won't have to watch our show We have green commentary We also have all of these colors Yeah we have all those colors too We even have a special okay you know what The Moto X will be listening for your voice commands leaked video shows So Yig, oh Canada, Rogers Carrier Here in Canada was the one that evidently leaked the video Showing that the Moto X is the second high profile device That is going to feature an always on listening feature So it is going to be more intelligent in not only the always listening way But also in the way it gives you notifications So it is going to instead of blinking some meaningless light And you can get apps like BlinkFeed Have you tried BlinkFeed? I have not tried BlinkFeed but I read that and mine is not meaningless I have it color coded Okay you can have color coded I tried BlinkFeed it was kind of It is the kind of thing where yeah if you tinker with it It is actually quite helpful but there is no way my mom could do it Whereas this is supposed to be an intuitive way to flash up the appropriate messages on your screen In an appropriate fashion and all of that So they are doing that They are also adding motion gestures So flicking your wrist to access the camera Or taking a photo by tapping anywhere on the screen instead of having to press a shutter button Which I don't think is actually that revolutionary I want a shutter button anyways I am a little bit surprised that Well no it is not even just that But I have used devices that have that functionality before Yeah that is true I like it to focus and then I Yeah I prefer touch screen to focus Shutter button to take a picture But at any rate The thing to me that is most fascinating about this is not the Moto X That is kind of irrelevant But the fact that this is the future Google sees This is the way they are moving Whether it is Glass or whether it is So I mean is Microsoft being more forward thinking Than we are giving them credit for By having an always listening feature on Kinect This is the way Google is going The problem with the Why do we accept it from them and not from Microsoft The problem with Kinect is the fact that it is always on You can turn Glass off It is always listening while it is on But you can turn it off What about Moto X It doesn't have to call in Moto X I think it is not going to get as much traction Because yeah okay it is always with you And it is a phone It is always with you and it is always on You are going to always hold one on I think Moto X will not get the backfire that Kinect has gotten Because Moto X I am sorry Motorola It is not as high profile It is a high profile device It is not the next Xbox It is not supposed to be a game console It is supposed to be a phone Which this kind of could at least somewhat be related to A little bit more sense Phone functionality A makes a little bit more sense B more people are going to care about the new Xbox release Than the new Moto X So to you it is an expectation thing The expectations were high for Xbox They expected it to be a gaming console And there is a massive crowd And it was a voice powered TV watching device that listens to you Whereas Moto X will be a phone that we already are kind of Well Siri broke new ground on that whole thing I mean you could say Samsung's S voice was But it wasn't very good Right whatever But we are getting used to the concept of talking to our devices You know what is funny is I personally never use voice control for anything I set my alarm with it Ok I hold the thing down Press the button and wake me up at 8.30 Ok And based on how many times you have shown up late for work Speaking of Do you want to get into this? Showing up late to work Do you want to get into this right now? Is this a good time? I am not having a good track record this week Since we got back from Computex No Yeah This week in the last half You have been on time once The one time you had to be here for the contractor Well I had to be here for that Whatever I didn't bring it up If you are going to bring it up now Maybe this is why you have the key So that someone has to be here to let everyone in Alright so we are going to do a Twitter Blitz And then we are going to welcome our first highly anticipated guest Mr. Logan from Raise the World or Tech Syndicate Whichever you do prefer So I am just going to go ahead and Guys hit us on Twitter We are going to be doing Twitter Q&A over the next little bit here And I am just going to ping Logan on comms And see if he is ready to join us Are you almost ready? Said he was going to be sitting around playing Elder Scrolls Oh no I just saw some Sorry That is awesome Elder Scrolls is great And Logan is great I just saw someone go hashtag killed my wife in Twitch chat No no no Stop No no no no no no No no no no no Someone did You know that stupid raise your dongers thing? Someone did that but replaced dongers with Logan Raise your logans Alright Logan I just heard back from him on comms He will be joining us in just a few minutes here guys I am extremely excited about this He is a good guy And yes I am excited Very excited Are you? Want to sit closer to me? Yeah Alright here we go Hi from El Salvador Hello El Salvador Haswell or Ivy Bridge for Hackintosh Great question I don't imagine if you are using the very latest version That it will matter much However if you head over to Tony whatever Tony OSX Mac whatever I don't remember Yeah Tony something or other If you Google Tony Hackintosh Then you will come up with the right thing Go over there Because those guys are the experts on the whole Hackintosh thing And often there is more to it than just This processor architecture versus that processor architecture And it can have a lot more to do with things like What wireless chipset you are using or whatever else Whether you are going to be able to get a full fledged OSX installation going Should I swap my iPhone 5 for the HTC One? Not very heavy usage more because I can I if it's free If it's free sure If you want the bigger screen yes I find the HTC One is way better for content consumption Than my old iPhone 4 With that said the iPhone 5 being more wide screen Is a little bit better for content consumption I don't miss iOS But I don't these days I've actually been using my iPhone Like every night I'll use it I'll reply to some tweets with it I'm going to keep using it just to see if it you know If it pulls you back If it calls for me And it doesn't but it also doesn't bother me Because I'm not the same kind of hardcore phone user that some people are And iOS did everything I needed it to do Just Android can do more and it can do it a little bit more easily sometimes that's all My router is overheating even though it's in the coldest room in my house Any tips? Throw a fan on it You can get Gell-it actually makes a router cooler No way Yeah Do they really? Yeah definitely I think it was I don't know if it's it was originally marketed as a router cooler But they said maybe it was It was marketed for something but it works perfectly for router cooling Okay check it out Gell-it solutions apparently they have a router cooler which is bizarre Totally inappropriate Chris Moore I love my Mac should I sell it? If you love your Mac then I don't know why you would sell it There are I personally believe there are better PC notebooks now Yeah Than Macbooks Yeah Did you see the Blade 14? No It's downstairs There are a few different yeah I know a few different brands lately have actually been releasing really nice ZenBook Infinity ZenBook Infinity Looks outstanding There's that I always forget the name but it's got the cool double Vizio Vizio the new Vizio laptops really nice Really nice Acer Aspire S7 as you guys know huge fanboy The next gen one fixes every problem I had it has a better touchpad It has longer travel on the keys it is slightly thinner has better battery life And I think there's one other thing Touchpad? Yeah I just said that I think Oh Anyway whatever it's better and it's like oh I love this laptop so There's use cases for everything You used to have to go Mac to get a well built notebook Yeah And you don't have to anymore No So there you go Interesting thing on that topic Freddie Wong's crew is moving to PC Are they? And they have a big thing about why they're moving to PC Awesome Would you upgrade from i5 2500K? Probably not What's your opinion on the new Razer earbuds? Actually they arrived today I haven't tried them yet We just got them like half an hour ago With that said the marketing all over Razer's site says bass heavy So I can already tell you that I'm sort of I'm going to give it a mediocre at best Because I don't particularly appreciate an extremely heavy bass experience We usually go for quite wide open Yeah more of a balanced What do you think about deleting CPUs? I think it's pretty pointless these days Because you're not going to get much more clock speed out of it Why is display fusion a must for dual monitors? You use it right? It's awesome by the way right now it's like 69% off on Steam I should probably buy it It's awesome So if you're running Windows 7 if you're running Windows 8 I don't think it's a big deal If you're running Windows 7 get it a lot of really good things just look it up Okay laser or optical mouse which do you prefer and why I use a laser mouse? There's different reasons for different situations So optical doesn't have the acceleration issues Laser is super high DPI but I think most people don't need that And optical you can get a better range of low DPI Alright so that's pretty much it for the Twitter blitz we are going to bring on the guest Alright let me just start I don't have a less getaway to do this right now guys so I'm just going to go ahead Yeah wow that is a fantastic Hold on let's just get rid of that and we're going to add it to this scene instead So our special guest this week is powered by Razor Coms as per the Yes We should just replace Hey what's up guys Hey Logan how's it going Better than average let me turn down your live stream Alright let me get my headphones on Look I look so angry Jesus You do look angry I think that orange and white background is striking You know why he's angry Because I'm serious He's very serious about the topic that we're going to talk about What are we talking about what do you guys want to segue It's your show let's what are we talking about We were talking about a basically the blueprints for NSA that Snowden apparently has Ah yes let's go with that one Okay so I'm going to show the audience the article here on NBC News And hopefully you had a chance to check this out before we started Here we go Okay so reporter says Snowden has an instruction manual for how the NSA is built So he's been hiding in an airport in Russia Trying to figure out if you know they're going to let him in for a while before he goes to South America Or if they're not or if they're going to require him to not leak anything Which he has already said he's willing to do But this blueprint is basically the instructions for how to build the NSA And Snowden has come right out and said I don't want anyone to have this Because there's two outcomes here Either someone else could build it or someone could circumvent it And these are both bad things Logan Alright well the dude doesn't seem like an anti-patriot And if he was to share something like this this would damage the country Now the question that we really need to ask I like to get to the root of things like what's behind everything And that is does the NSA really need to exist Now that's a question that we should talk about outside of Snowden And I think Snowden thinks that it shouldn't exist But if he does share this this would be against everything that he has done in my opinion Tell me something Go ahead If he thinks it shouldn't exist Wouldn't blowing the lid off of it completely make it so that it doesn't exist Or is this like guns where if you just give everyone guns that doesn't make guns not exist But like Logan just said Sorry Like Logan just said he's not an anti-patriot He is fairly patriotic so he doesn't actually want to hurt the states And he believes that this could hurt the states He still doesn't necessarily think the NSA should exist But he also doesn't want to hurt his country Well yeah think about this There could be a lot of state secrets in this document And those state secrets could do irreparable damage to the intelligence system in America And it could give people in other countries secrets about how America does things And some of the things do need to be secret from everybody I mean some things but there has to be oversight And you know there can't just be this ridiculous you know like warrantless you know wiretapping all over the country Without any oversight at all which seems to be what's going on And I think that's what he's blowing the whistle about And he doesn't really want to divulge anything that's going to do irreparable damage otherwise Well what his whole Sorry go ahead Go ahead I'm done I was just going to say what his agenda seems to be Is actually the opposite of anti-patriotic And it seems to me his concern is out of the welfare of the American people At whatever cost that happens to be to himself So what is he more concerned about for the American people The replication of an NSA like system or the circumvention of it I think the main thing that he is trying to do here is get us back on the track of democracy And we even had Jimmy Carter come out this week and he spoke to a German newspaper called I think it was Der Spiegel And he told that country that America no longer has a functioning democracy Now this is a Nobel Peace Prize winner and an American president He was president until 1981 He said we no longer have a functioning democracy Now this has implications for the rest of the world That's why it's in a German newspaper and not an American When you're not going to see this in many American newspapers But a lot of people look to America to form their own policies And America is supposed to be like this mecca of freedom and democracy And when they look at America they're going to be like what the hell are these guys doing So I think that's what Snowden is really trying to do He's trying to get, we need a wake up call And the president, President Carter also said that in the long run What Snowden has done here will be a good thing for freedom all over the world Not just in America Because the people need a wake up call when the government gets out of line like this And this really ties in well to one of the topics we were discussing earlier With respect to privacy as a whole And needing a wake up call in terms of the kind of devices we're using The kind of software we're running And the kind of policies that we're allowing to exist pretty much And it's interesting because of all this and because of what Snowden has done And because of just all the mass amount of awareness that has been risen A lot of people that didn't care at all before are now following this And are now getting into tech stuff And are now looking into like oh what's going on with this Google Glass thing that I've never heard of And what's going on with all these listening devices and all that kind of stuff Which is great because more people, more aware is better And what Snowden's done is he's been a sacrificial lamb in that way In a way that I actually, I think it couldn't have happened without a person doing it It's like why do we care about sports teams? Because of the storylines Because of that guy hurting his ankle And then that young up and comer who scored the big goal and whatever else Like that's why we follow this stuff Whereas if there was no Edward Snowden Are we paying this much attention? Do we, does the everyday reader of the newspaper or whatever online publication has replaced the newspaper Because it should have by now Has that reader going to be, is that reader going to have as much interest if there isn't a name? Right Well, I mean now you've got major people coming out You've got like Hollywood directors making the little videos for the internet And yeah, ten years ago everyone that said anything about this was a tinfoil hat wearing moron So it is pretty cool that a lot of people are talking about it now I'm not sure if that's going to make things go in a positive or negative direction yet We could see the government go crazy and start throwing anyone in jail that coughs Which it's kind of maybe happening Yeah, you better be careful what you say over there comrade Yeah, I know, I'm moving to the woods, I'm going to be in a cave soon at this point Speaking of living in a cave I'd love for you to tell the viewers who aren't already familiar with you a little bit about TechSyndicate And the tech and introduce yourself and make sure that they know where to follow you Okay, well we are over at techsyndicate.com If you guys go to YouTube it's raise the world, R-A-Z-E And then a zero for world, but that's too convoluted So just type TechSyndicate into Google and everything will come up We hang out over there, we do a weekly show and we drink a little bit of beer And that's pretty much it We play a lot of video games too, I'm like, you guys are taking away from my Skyrim time I was like modding Skyrim, installing some new E and B filters and stuff And then the phone rang, I'm like, what is this? Thank you so much for joining us, we do truly appreciate it Yeah man, it's a lot of fun Alright, so let's move on to our next topic here We're going to do HBO asks Google to remove a link to VLC That's a good one So we think this was probably accidental So they issued a DEMCA take down to Google saying that it was a copyright infringement And as unintentional as it may have been How problematic is this? Because DEMCA takedowns, for one thing, don't get policed to nearly the same extent as they probably should And they are able to affect things about a website's rankings in terms of search Even if they are completely unfounded More DEMCA takedowns equals worse search relevance from Google's eyes And where's the regulation here? There isn't any, as far as I really know Yeah, I always like to, with everything, go as far back or as far down to the root as possible Henry David Thoreau said there were 10,000 people hacking the branches of evil And only one person hacking the root of evil So you've got to find out where the root is And the root here is that the people in Hollywood and the powers that be just do not understand the new technology And whenever they see something that's suspicious, they try to kill it with fire And so that's the problem that we're really having We need to educate the number one, if that's possible, or replace them by voting in people who are competent and can actually read So that's the big problem here We've got morons running the show And then we've got these old companies with their old technology, like phone systems And they don't want fast internet because that means that their old school phone lines are no longer going to be relevant So they're all fighting against that Then we have Google on the other hand Google's a modern company, they understand what's going on in the world And they are fighting against this because they don't want to police the internet And that's basically what everybody wants them to do They're like, hey, Google, here's your badge We want you to be the sheriff of the internet and take down everything we tell you to do Like the companies are like the Commissioner Gordon or whatever And they just want to call Google and be like, take everything down So Google's fighting back and they're winning and losing some legal battles So I think that's what we should really look at But we can do something about this by voting in smart people And by using companies that understand the internet And by switching from idiot companies like Comcast and Time Warner to real companies like smaller companies If you have a small company in your neighborhood, look them up Find out what you guys have available If you live in the woods and you have nothing available, I'm sorry Which is all a very good point because, and you know what? Your comment about voting in smart people, how? I mean, maybe on sort of a more municipal level or even a state level, maybe But at a federal level? I mean, we're not nearly as bad as it is in the US in terms of how many choices we have We usually have one choice that's going to make it and then one choice that might make it And then we'll probably have like two or three more that maybe they're, you know, they're not going to get elected But at least they're not total yahoos and like a complete nobody You guys are purely dual party system at this point No one else stands a chance Yeah, and you know something? George Washington happened to say that a two party system would destroy America And we made a shirt and we put it in our store It just says I don't party and it's got a picture of George Washington on it That's on EpicPants.com Just plug the website, you know But it really, he really did say that and it really does mess up a lot of things because they're pretty much the same choice right now But what we need to do is start focusing on community Remember when we were all out hanging out in California? What was that? Two months ago now or something? That was a while ago now Yeah, so we were all out there hanging out in California and I was listening to a lot of California public radio And here's an interesting thing Right now there's a lot of community stuff going on in Northern California A lot of small businesses are getting together, you know, and working together to generate community wealth That way they don't have to worry about the, you know, the big companies that much And on this community radio, there's one guy giving a lecture and he kept talking about Vermont So I drove up to Vermont to see what was going on There's like 10 small, very small internet providers One of them is providing gigabit internet to people in Vermont for 40 bucks a month And there's like all kinds of small things going on And you know, all the Vermont government is doing is they're funding it like crazy because the smart people in Vermont voted in good people So that's what we got to do We got to start on small levels and just say, you know what? Screw you guys You guys can play, you guys can play government in Washington We've got our own thing going on here and it's amazing That'll work out better in the States I was going to say the United States of America has right in the name that there are individual states Whereas here in Canada, we rely a lot more on the federal government to keep things under control And while it's not quite as broken as it is in the U.S. in some ways, it's certainly not perfect And we're a little bit more locked in Yeah, like what do you guys have as far as, you know, community leadership? Do you guys have, I mean, I'm sure you guys have like cities and townships But I mean like, what do you guys have to rely on? I mean, like... They don't have much power Really? Like we have a municipal mayor, but they pretty much just decide what like new garden gets planted Yeah, it's they don't have nearly as much control I mean, even things like police are on a federal level So some large cities such as Vancouver will have their own police department But even then, that doesn't mean that they can just say RCMP, you're not here, we're here Because there will be Royal Canadian Mounted Police in Vancouver in addition to Vancouver City Police in Vancouver And only cities that have a big enough budget to afford their own police are able to even do that All right, so let's just put out a hypothetical there about Canada Let's say like, you know, John and Bob get together with Sally and they create a very small web startup company Like what kind of support would they get from the government? You know, if they wanted to provide gigabit internet to just one community At that point, now, okay, for internet, I don't know But for small business startups, there is lower end stuff that is not federal where you can get grants if you propose your business But then they have to decide whether or not they think it's a good idea before you get any support Yep, and the other issue is actually bringing it back to telcos Telcos are very much controlled by the government, whether it's municipal or whether it's otherwise So for example, there's a small municipality near Vancouver where Shaw Cable, who is the large cable provider around here Is not allowed to go and Delta Cable has a monopoly So in this case, we're swapping out one monopoly for another one as opposed to actually allowing everyone to go head to head And that's all becoming more twisted as opposed to more clear over time right now We're scaring people in the comments. They're like, hey, man, I hate politics But I'll just say this to the guys in the comments You know, technology is really taking over the world and all the geeks that were growing up in like the 80s and 90s Those geeks are getting jobs and they have to worry about all the regulations and stuff But yeah, I agree with you guys. If you guys are sick of politics, you know, it is pretty scary stuff Let's go pure technology for our next topic here guys. I'm just gonna load up the here we go Correct thing. So Tom's Hardware got their got their hands on a core i7 4960x So what is this thing? Basically, it is less than what I expected That's one way to put it I'm gonna just I'm gonna put it that way So what I did expect was that it was going to have Ivy Bridge based cores as opposed to Sandy Bridge based cores I thought we were all expecting that You're expecting that. Yeah, good job Yeah Yes, well, you know, I have your bridge I got some insider information that said that Ivy Bridge would have been was gonna come out after Or actually, um has well was gonna come out after so I don't know what I expected I just expected more speed than this. I expected more cores That's what I was really expecting because what Intel's delivered here is they've delivered Pretty much that CPU and with like a slightly more different core architecture So basically a process shrink but a glorified one because when we moved from Sandy to Ivy We didn't get a normal node shrink What we got was we got a node shrink and some tweaks that actually gave a 10% IPC performance improvement But the problem with that is that normally when we get when we just do a die shrink We do something else and we didn't this time Instead we've just saved power, which is interesting without adding any oomph to it So they had the potential here because I don't know how many of you guys know this But Sandy Bridge E has two fused off cores in it Every single one of them has at least two fused off cores in it They were there. The fact that eight core Xeons exist means that the cores were there So what they've done, what they could have done was they could have added two more cores Kept the same clock speed and I would have gone yeah, still great for gaming Awesome for content creation, professional work, workstation work and all of that Instead what Intel's done is they've gone now status quo's okay It's gonna be one full processor architecture behind the mainstream platform Which is completely unacceptable for what is supposed to be an enthusiast grade platform And not only that, but we're not even gonna get more cores over the last gen So we're gonna get a 10% IPC improvement and we're still gonna pay a thousand bucks for it What blows my mind is that they'll do something like keep the fused off core idea And AMD just comes out of nowhere, bam, pulls out this ridiculous processor Well let's talk about that for a minute because look what you have to do with AMD They're not really sending out too many samples to the press And they're not really selling, they don't really want to sell these things Unless it's with an OEM or something or they want to put them in a system And send you the entire system because the motherboards just cannot handle the power draw You have to have the right motherboard If some idiot just buys this thing off the shelf and then gets a cheap motherboard That's only got like five layers or whatever, it's gonna melt the damn motherboard So maybe that's why you're just doing this AMD FX9590 And I think the GPU expert was the gentleman on our forum or lady, whichever it happens to be Who pulled up this article and threw it in there And I actually have some things to say that I disagree with GPU experts interpretation of things Okay, so basically the 9590 is a 5 GHz CPU with a 220 Watt TDP, Logan, carry on Alright, so yeah, like I said, if you put this thing on the wrong motherboard It's just not gonna work, it's gonna melt And also you need some ridiculous cooling So I imagine with the Intel parts, if you were to go ahead and leave those two extra cores active Well you're only gonna be able to use that part with certain motherboards because of the power draw You're gonna have to keep a fire extinguisher beside your computer and you're gonna need ridiculous cooling At stock speed, it would have been fine We've seen this before with Xeon and we know that Ivy is going to consume less power than Sandy And we already had 8 core Sandys But I think the issue is the fact that due to the new process node Ivy consumes a butt ton of power when you overclock it So they were concerned, this is in my mind, about releasing not necessarily an 8 core But an 8 core unlocked begging enthusiasts to overclock it processor because of exactly the thing you brought up Back in the Pentium D days, I remember pulling boards out of customer systems, flipping them over And seeing the entire L shape of the VRM, brown or almost black from those things drawing so much power Yeah, I mean that's exactly the problem that they were gonna run into So I think that's why they did it I mean they just couldn't afford, for number one, like everyone complaining They probably didn't have a big enough customer service department to deal with all the calls they were gonna get from people who have more money than brains They just buy the damn thing and put it in a cheap motherboard and then it melts and then they're calling They just didn't want to deal with it That's exactly why there's two cores that are soldered off Speaking of having more money than brains, the FX9590 is extremely expensive at around $700 Who is this processor for is the question I think we should really be asking ourselves Well, they've said that it's going to pretty much exclusively makers NCIX has it now? NCIX has it now? Well then There's the huge Intel versus AMD race So if you want an insane processor, not one that necessarily makes a lot of sense, I guess you now have that option So it's for the ultimate AMD fanboy basically And that's it? You know what they need to do? I mean if someone really wants to buy this, that person should go out and buy like three 8350s And then buy like an NZXT Kraken or something really nice like that And just try each one of those 8350s and see which one of those they can get to 5 or 5.2 That is a very good point That is actually a great point because this brings us back to the concept of binning Where we have people kind of go, oh Linus, how do you think the, then hypothetical, 7990 will perform? And my answer is exactly like 27970s, what are you, born on the moon? This is still a pile driver chip, at 5 GHz it performs exactly the bloody same as any other pile driver chip It's just very selectively binned by AMD Yeah and you know something else, I mean we're talking about CPU right now And a lot of the programs that I use every day are now supporting OpenCL and CUDA So I think a lot of the major programs and a lot of the games are now starting to see the graphics card as like Hey we can tap into this power so it's not just for gaming anymore And I mean like the speed benefits with Adobe CC are amazing with OpenCL And even before with CUDA I switched from, I keep switching back and forth I'm going for a GTX 780 now for the gaming but you know Very nice Yeah well it's the only thing that can run Skyrim with all the mods I have But I love the 7970 because it's a little bit faster in Adobe Premiere CC So it's like ehhh But I mean that just shows that a lot of programs are now using graphics card OpenCL acceleration on your graphics card as opposed to the CPU How are you liking Adobe CC? We just switched over We got a couple of seats of Creative Cloud licensed over here now I'm actually loving it They need to update After Effects a little bit but I don't use After Effects, I don't care But I mean that's just what everyone keeps telling me, they need to update After Effects But for Premiere and everything else and Photoshop it's better than the last version Speaking of Adobe And I love OpenCL Oh sorry go ahead I'm just saying I love OpenCL, it's nice Yeah Alright speaking of Adobe, we're going to take a bit of a shot at them since we're paying customers Although I don't think anyone's on the consumer side paid for Flash ever But let's talk about the business practice of, here this isn't working very well there Okay Adobe Flash Player, it's one thing when I download Demon Tools Lite or some freeware application And they go, gee Linus, would you like the Ask Jeeves toolbar installed in addition to this software That's what you actually wanted, that you actually asked us How about a trial of McAfee, we know you want a trial of McAfee I would love to have a trial of McAfee Yeah we got one right here Why does Adobe need to do this? Why do they give you a prompt to download Chrome? Or I think actually McAfee Trial is one of the ones they do It might be on like Shockwave Player or something How immature is this? You know Adobe CEO, every time he opens his mouth I cringe He clearly sees all of his customers as resources and not truly people he should be working for or pleasing For him the customers are just a resource pool and that's very disturbing to me I've heard a lot of people have seen him that way, it's very very true And I have seen them do McAfee on Flash before Yeah I've seen them do McAfee before That's what we get here in the States, every time I go to download Flash it's like The other day I was half asleep and I almost clicked okay to McAfee That was like the fastest wake up call, it was like a splash of cold water in my face when I almost clicked the okay button I was like oh god no You would have had to reformat You could have nightmares that night Yeah full cleanse And exorcism to remove it from his computer I mean even the Adobe, I'm even finding the Adobe Creative Cloud a little bit intrusive I mean I like the programs themselves But I'd almost rather pay for the damn thing and then crack it so that I could get Adobe out of my butt They're like up there looking around, I'm like guys I'm trying to work And every 10 minutes it's like hey the Adobe updater program would like to download the Adobe downloader To update the Adobe Flash updater to download the Premiere updater would you like to click yes I'm like oh god And then when you're done all of that it's going to say would you like us to update automatically You're going to say yes for the love of god please update automatically And it's going to prompt you again in two days anyway Exactly it's really ridiculous That has to be crazy Oh my god I've clicked download automatically so many freaking times just do it I don't care about you It's like Adobe, you're like I only use you to view banner ads That's all you're good for anymore Killing me here I mean at what point are we going to be installing Windows And while you're sitting there waiting for the bar to move across the screen It's going to be like you know would you like fries with that Can we deliver a pizza to your house right now Yes Actually that's brilliant Wait a second Because you're waiting for Windows to install Yeah you're installing Windows which means you're going to be sitting there for a little bit setting crap up Would you like a pizza Well yeah I think you've got your next business idea right there Definitely you know what they should do is they should purposely slow down the install of Windows To about the length of a movie And then offer you pizza to your door and instant movie streaming through the installer Because it detects Wi-Fi connection while you're installing You know what's scary is that's actually very realistic I know All these companies need to be calling us because we are part of the audience So we would have the best information on how to exploit the audience ever We could just come up with terrible ideas like this all day and make big bugs And screw our audience over that's what we should do yeah So we'll form a tech syndicate Linus Media Group merger that's basically called F the consumer Screw the world Yeah screw the world Oh god It's like the complete opposite of what we always preach about It's like how could we come up with the most evil possible way to monetize Facebook Oh wait they've already figured that out Promoted posts That drives me crazy You know half like okay so for those of you sorry I've had the headphones on and they're a little bit noise isolating I've been really loud I'm sorry everyone So for those of you who aren't familiar with graphic design principles there's a term called below the fold So above the fold in a magazine was there or the newspaper was the more traditional Sort of what people are actually going to see when they're stacked and they're sitting there So below the fold refers on a webpage to what you would have to scroll down to see if you're the average user running the average resolution When I log into my pages page on Facebook I swear about half of above the fold is giving me information about How many people are looking at it and how I can get more people to look at it And how much it costs to get more people to look at it I mean I don't really support Facebook as a platform very much I cascade my tweets down to Facebook but other than that I don't pay much attention to it But how scary is that? It's like I don't like Facebook at all I haven't had a Facebook for a while I don't promote Facebook to anyone I don't suggest anyone even uses it I don't even know what pages is I don't like I'm not a fan The thing about Facebook it's like especially with us I mean if I can just speak behind This is what goes on behind the scenes everybody watching But a lot of the people we talk to a lot of the other companies they want to know numbers of how many people you have on Facebook So it's like oh man I got to give them some numbers So it's like I can't just tell them it's not good enough to tell them hey we've got like a gazillion posts on our own website They're like oh yeah your own website how many a million oh we don't care about that Do you have 50 on Facebook that's better than a million on your own website And that's a very good point I got flack for not using Instagram at one point So I started Instagramming because they wanted to see that you were hip and with it And supporting the hot social media platforms I'm going to be perfectly honest I don't know what the hell Pinterest is Isn't that the it's like okay I've had it described this way I'm not sexist I have no idea what it is Female Reddit that's what I've had it described to me Wow you just annoyed all four of our female viewers I'm going to get letters from them do you know how often this happens We say something about girl gamers To you, not to me That's been described to me that way I've never been to it and I've never seen it It's getting me in trouble I don't know what it's about I just retweeted that phrase to everyone saying please send hate mail Thank you So yeah just oh there's a pistol's angry look at her Thank you for joining us Logan guys Logan from Raise the World bloop You know something funny pistol Google thinks she's a dude because she looks at video game stuff You think she's a dude She went into her profile and you can go and look at what Google's marketing data is on you And they're like yeah totally this is a dude because you look at marketing stuff My demographics might be completely wrong That's awesome because it shows how the system is actually screwed That's so cool Yeah I mean if you like things that they think are dude things they're going to categorize you as a dude Because obviously if you're playing Skyrim and GTA and you're going to these websites Even if you look at makeup maybe you're like you know a cross dresser on the weekends or something Because she looks like you know makeup tutorials and stuff Or your girlfriend came over or whatever Yeah exactly you're still a dude So I'm wondering if my audience really is 96% male I mean like I want to go out there and count them all But I can't have time Because nowadays especially like elementary school I have a buddy who's little sister is in elementary school still And all the girls are going to school with DS's they're all playing games Yep Like it's not just guys playing video games there is actually quite a bit of girls So is Google just assuming any chick that's into video games which there's more than most people think is a dude? Well unless you're playing like you know Animal Crossing or The Sims Because I mean even though that's sexist I think a lot of people like think that are easy The Sims is the only game my sister plays Yeah well I even had a friend who was getting into game development And she was talking to some different people out there and they're like oh that's great we need a girl Are you going to make more games like Animal Crossing and stuff? And she was like no I play Crysis and everything else and I play Skyrim, Fallout, whatever I've got one of my buddies that lives on the island his girlfriend's name is Randy She plays like Skyrim and Counter Strike Like you're not going to if you see those metrics you're not going to assume she's a girl I think part of it is a lack of exposure for girls I mean my wife didn't necessarily play anything more advanced than the 2D side scroller on Windows 98 before I met her But by the time I was done with her she was a pretty reasonable Team Fortress 2 player A quite good Left 4 Dead player actually all things considered And she didn't really play Oblivion but she'd sit with me while I play it and she'd like you know help It's just not super mainstream yet but it's getting that way Speaking of which yes hero segue here we go boom League of Legends is now a sport in the US But only League of Legends no other eSports So not StarCraft not whatever else League of Legends is like Xbox Live for the PC like that's what the community is like and I just said that on your show Okay shots fired okay you're going to have to defend that go go go I agree with Logan I don't disagree with him I just said shots fired smart guy Okay okay Yeah that's the comments That's all I'm going to say about it I mean That's it you're going to leave us hanging with that Okay the community is huge I don't really play MOBA games but yeah it really is the community is huge And it's a really young community but there's not a lot of people on there as far as like There's not a lot of like people on there to be a good guide if you know what I mean like or a good example Of what a good community member should be like from my experience now I could be wrong there could be like some Grandfather figure who's like on there like hey we shouldn't call each other you know these names or use ethnic slurs But for the most part whenever I see something from League of Legends it's either some over the top death threat Like the stuff that that kid got thrown in jail for which was ridiculous Or it's you know some kind of ethnic slur stuff but that's just from my own what I see If the League of Legends community can come out and say like hey that's not what we're about Well do it and maybe show me something that's not that because that's all I see from that community And it kind of makes me kind of walk away from it You know Kane is over in Australia right now at PAX Australia and they're having a huge League of Legends tournament It seems like a lot of the hardcore PC gamers like just stay the hell away from it But then there's an entire crew that comes to PAX and that's all they do they go into the League of Legends section They don't venture out and look at anything else and they're like a different type of PC gamer But they're still PC gamers, but they're they keep to themselves, and it's it's kind of a strange community I don't exactly understand it That is a very interesting insight So why exactly League of Legends versus anything else? Is it just because Riot has all the money in the world in order to buy the attention that they need? Because I think the main motivating factor here was international gamers Getting them into the country with the same kinds of visas that are given to professional athletes Why not StarCraft 2? Why just League of Legends? One of the things that I brought up is Riot is still not really I wouldn't say a startup, but they're still really new They actually have not been around for that long Right But they're huge and massive and becoming an economic power and they've been driving this really really really hard Blizzard doesn't fight for their game nearly as much as Riot does And they have started to more since Riot has But Blizzard doesn't have the massive like a lot of the huge tournaments are driven by Riot Right Not a lot of the huge tournaments are driven by Blizzard Now they have stuff coming out, but they didn't before So Blizzard's always been very aloof to anything What's actually going on with their game? Yeah, they kind of they do the game and they do it well and then they kind of go Everyone should you know just do what we think they should do because we're Blizzard And they've been that way for a very long time I mean maybe this is the wake up they call they need But the angle that I really want to talk about here maybe Logan you can give me your thoughts on this Is this going to open up esports as a more legitimate and less of an underground thing in North America? Because right now compared to other markets like Europe and Asia esports is laughed at and I'm talking in relative terms Well, I mean it could be a good thing But I mean what we have to look at here is the fact that the reason this is getting big or the reason this is happening is because it got so big And you know the big companies will look at anything that has this size audience And just be like how can we turn this into something we can monetize better and by turning it into a sport they can monetize the hell out of this Yes, they can If other games get this big as well or if they look at this and then you know someone gets a bright idea in a conference room and says Hey, we can monetize other games Well, it's going to happen and it's obviously going to happen with new games as new games come out because you know that's just the way things work So that's what I'm looking for as an executive in a room to think he had an original thought and go Oh, we're gonna pride idea. Let's monetize all these games. Oh, that's a great idea Stanley. Let's do it. That's what's gonna happen Maybe those executives will be us at what was it bone the customer inks Oh, yeah, like screw the screw the screw the consumer or something Screw the world All right, speaking of people who are screwed. I'm gonna segue into our next topic here. Boom This was submitted by each on dough on the Linus Tech Tips forum It's from the original article is from slash gear As if anyone with half a brain didn't know this already Oculus Rift will not be available on next generation consoles Logan your thoughts on Oculus We need one of those like I mean we talk about this thing a lot a pistol just ordered the leap motion So have you seen that thing? Yes, and cool the like this morning woke up and she was like, oh my god I got an email saying that it's been shipped. So this combined with the Oculus That's gonna be like a different type of game experience. I don't think it's gonna I don't think this entire thing is gonna replace the mouse and keyboard But I you know, I haven't tried an oculus rift yet So I really need to play around with one of you guys tried one of those things yet Yes, we actually had a very cool opportunity guys If you haven't seen this already check out the Linus Tech Tips channel where there's a video called VR virgins and it's got keywords Linus and slick in the title as well where we both actually It's my first time on the oculus. It's your first time too, right? Yeah, it's both of our first time on the oculus and we were actually one of the first people outside of employees at Omni To try the our virtuex rather to try the Omni, which is that omni directional treadmill So we got to try oculus and Omni at the same time Okay, I've got a question. How the hell do you crouch with the Omni? You lean over you bend over So you just accept that that's the way to do it. So you if you have back problems then you're screwed? You can I think you can kind of bend your knees a bit. Well, wait, hold on a second So we're saying if you bend over you're not screwed and if you don't bend over you're screwed How did I get involved with this conversation? I think you can do some funny business because it's how the Kinect picks it up, right? So I think if you can make enough of an angle somewhere, it will assume that you are crouching So if you bend at the waist enough I believe it can pick up as you're crouching or if you're tall enough so that the belt won't keep you from going down I think if you crouch a little bit with your legs the Kinect might be able to notice that and make a secret And right now Yan is using a first-gen Xbox camera for motion sensing which is pretty limited Whereas it might be able to accept much more subtle actions in the future with some of the solutions that he's looking at so It might be a might be a might be solved before it ever becomes a problem Yeah, and as far as the whole like Oculus Rift on the next-gen consoles I don't know if I have any opinion about that at all. I mean, whatever LOL owned Yeah, I have no opinion about next-gen consoles other than who cares LOL Alright, let's see how angry the Twitch chat gets about that Probably not that angry. They're mostly I think mostly PC guys are following I think there's quite a lot of overlap guys if you're not already following And if you're tuning in late, this is Logan from Raise the World Tech Syndicate is probably the easier way to find him because Raise the World is extremely confusing A-R-A-Z-E-W-0-1 Just type Tech Syndicate into Google ampersand tilde All tildes Just nine I'm gonna name my first son nine tildes LOL Hi, this is tilde tilde tilde tilde tilde tilde tilde tilde tilde tilde Anyway LOL You know what? If you went with an A and then a tilde Then the name would be a tilde and then like middle name the hun LOL Oh, I'm sorry. I just got an instant headache LOL I'm sorry. You should have known this was gonna happen LOL How could this happen to me? Speaking of headaches, there's a few headaches over at Microsoft right now I don't know if you've seen this yet, but Business Insider has an article today Microsoft is down 11.4% I think was the last thing we saw right before the stream Which is more than when Diesel added this to our outline And that is today alone Which may have something to do with the fact that they're sitting on six million tablets Yeah, how much money did they lose on Surface? So hold on They lost $900 million on Surface No, no, the $900 million is just the write down on the six million units Right, that's just on the Surface units Yes, so that's $150 per unit writing down the value based on what they believe it's worth in the market Okay, and then that's the $900 million Now let's factor in that doesn't even include R&D or marketing I mean, how much do those commercials cost to make an error? Sorry, go ahead. I'll let you talk because I'm like going on about this I wasn't saying anything. I thought Slick was saying something I wanted to go get ice cream Right, we had an ice cream truck going by I was pretty tempted to just run out and go get ice cream. I'm sorry There's a video feed of you. You can't leave I'm like a dog, man. You're here in an ice cream truck and I'm like, I gotta go I don't know what I'm gonna buy when I get there, but I just gotta go Oh man Okay, so bringing us back on topic much in the same way that people see a Surface commercial and they're tempted to go buy one, correct? Say what? Can Microsoft be a hardware company beyond Xbox and even at Xbox at this point? God, who are you asking? I don't know Can Microsoft be a hardware company? Personally, if you look at their track record, Zune failed Windows Phone failed Windows Tablet failed I don't know of anything else Xbox Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner Yeah, Xbox is amazing So if they don't do like hardcore gaming and they don't directly tie in Xbox, I don't really think they have a chance Let's look at this in a in like an Apple way because right now they're doing a lot of things that they see Apple doing and they're like Hey, Apple does all these things. We want to do those things too because Apple has a much better control over their customer And that's the control that we want to have over our customer We want to control their experience and we also want, you know, Microsoft drones out there just like the Apple drones They're like yay, anything you guys buy that that's what they want, but they can't exactly do it And here's what Apple had that Microsoft has never had Apple had Steve Jobs and Steve Jobs will go out there and he ignored all the customer research He ignored everything and he made products based upon what he personally wanted And then he would say exactly then he would say things like how can the customer possibly know what they want until I tell them what they want? And Microsoft is trying to do this right now Yeah, exactly and Microsoft trying to do the same thing, but they really don't have any idea what they're trying to force the customer to want things they shouldn't want I mean have you seen some of the research that's come out of Microsoft in terms of focus groups that they've run on UI for example Back when they did the ribbon for the first time the first implementation of the ribbon was terrible So this is in Microsoft office This is when they revamped the interface back in 2007 for those of you who aren't familiar with the ribbon or don't know anything but the ribbon But I saw some of the quotes from the focus groups and it was like they had found the biggest chimps in the world to tell them that the ribbon was the best thing ever And the problem with that is that I was talking to someone at Intel actually earlier this week And he was saying well we used to have kind of this vague metric that the enthusiast or the gamer or whoever was worth anywhere from 7 to 20 times What they were actually numbered because they would talk to anywhere from 7 to 20 people and that is what jobs figured out Instead of appeasing a bunch of chimps who aren't going to talk to anyone or if they did no one would listen Apple figured out how to appease creative professionals and bloggers and video professionals and all those guys that people are actually going to shut up and listen to And he managed to build what they actually wanted And people that will be asked, big creative professionals, dude what are you using? What camera? What software? Some crazy DJ that's making music, what are you using? Oh I'm using this platform and I'm using a MacBook Even if it makes no bloody difference Doesn't matter, that pro guy that you idolize is using it, you have to have it Yeah you know it's kind of difficult these days because I deal with a lot of creative types as well And I'm on PC and a lot of them ask like hey what would you use if you were building a new editing rig And I tell them PC and Adobe Premiere and it's just like it's so hard to get them to come around to the idea of using something that's not an Apple Because they're so indoctrinated Microsoft, I mean they had a lot of success with Xbox and Xbox 360 and who knows what's going to happen with Xbox One So they are having success there to an extent But as far as like their, well Windows 8 has been sort of a nightmare as far as the media goes And then the Surface, I mean I don't even know if they know what they're doing at this point I mean they're trying to restructure, you saw Balmer like hey let's restructure Yeah I saw that letter, we're going to be different now Developers, developers, developers I don't know what they're up to really Yeah actually I was going to pull that out as just a joke, I grabbed the YouTube clip Oh play it, oh the different, yeah I mean did Microsoft allow Apple to steal their strategy and have they not even figured out how to copy Apple I mean you look at, why was iOS so successful I would argue that one of the best things about it was gaming Microsoft had an opportunity to make Windows all about gaming and they are letting it slip away from them They are abandoning it as a platform for gaming, they are instead focusing on things like a music store Which is them following what Apple is doing instead of actually leading the charge on something where they have dominance You look at what they've done with Xbox where they've basically given the old, you know That company we were talking about starting to their few remaining loyal consumers Is there still time to turn this around and is that the solution Well let's, again I like to take a step back and look at the big picture again And there's two different ways that companies work and that's closed and open You have the old school mentality is closed garden, we will build all these walls We will build our app stores and our app stores will be proprietary And you must stay in our little place and that's where we want you Then you have a company like Google that says you know what we don't care where you go We're going to own the internet and everything you do will be through Google and with Google And we're going to be in your pocket, we're going to be in your, you know wherever you are that's fine You guys can go shop at Amazon, we'll still make money You guys can go shop somewhere else, we'll still make money I mean of course they've got their alternatives as well And you even see some closed garden solutions coming from Google which is kind of, you know, scratch my head This is not the Google I know but if we can figure out how Or if someone can figure out how Apple because Apple is a closed, you know, closed wall type company And they were successful in this day and age If someone can figure out the formula that they used, that's what Microsoft wants Then they'll be very successful but I do not support that formula as a consumer Let's go back to that formula and here was another article submitted by Ichando on the forum This is a BGR.com article And Apple has just lost 300 million potential mobile customers By alienating two of the largest mobile carriers in the world So MTS, Russia's largest mobile operator made a splash last week by announcing it will stop offering iPhones This was followed by, hold on, there we go, Vimplecom and Megaphone After their five year contracts recently expired So without jobs to basically say I'm going to make the thing that everyone's going to want They're going to want it because I say they're going to want it And because it legitimately is, I mean iPhone was revolutionary whether you like it or not Without that driving force is there business strategy whether you look at it in terms of the closed wall Or the pushiness or I mean one of the reasons cited by MTS as dropping it Was the high subsidies that are required as well as the marketing support demanded by Apple Is this crap going to fly anymore? As long as they have customers, I mean as long as they still have their faithful following The faithful following will go somewhere else But a lot of the people are starting to wake up and say like hey we don't want a company that's going to sue everybody else We want a company that innovates, makes the products that we want, listens to their customers and works for us So as people wake up, Apple will have to wake the hell up and then change their strategy But until, they've still got a pretty big following that's going to go wherever they are People switched over like crazy when the iPhone came out and came to AT&T Everybody dropped contracts with other companies and went there So I mean the article says potential, they lost potentially this many customers Yes potentially, but they only had 8% market share in Russia anyway That's big, but you know that's small compared to the other companies But 8% is still a large number Just to jump on something, Logan said with this following they were able to just drag around however they wanted to whatever suited them best But the cult of jobs is kind of going away It does feel that way, there was not nearly as much fanfare around iPhone 5 launch as there was around iPhone 4S And if you look at it, a lot of the complaints people had about iPhone 5, blah blah blah It doesn't change enough, it doesn't iterate enough, it's this, it's that What did 3GS innovate on? They wouldn't have cared if Jobs was able to go up on stage, be super charismatic like he is And tell them iOS 7 and iPhone 5 are both the greatest things they've ever seen I think that's at least part of it, also with his vision, certain things would not have happened Speaking of iOS 7, does it smack of desperation that they're doing something like an icon logo redesign and calling that a big deal? I don't even care None of us care They're all sitting there like, uh, Apple Alright, so why don't we move over to, actually I have another Apple thing apparently That girl who, the iPhone charger, electrocuted her or whatever It looks like, now with some new information, it might have been a third party charger So third party chargers guys, not just Apple ones Watch out because they may not be built to the same standard as a first party one And they might look exactly the same, and they might output 5 volts exactly the same But the safety certifications might not be there As someone who used to work at a PC retailer, I did look into how much something like a CSA certification costs And let me tell you, if you're buying it for $2 at the night market, they don't have it Just throwing that out there Yeah, I don't think there's anything I need to say on that, you pretty much covered that Thank you Done deal, be careful what you buy Okay, the character password is no longer secure Logan, maybe is this the last one you want to tune in for? I know I had said I wanted to keep you for an hour and you had said, oh wow, an hour's an awful long time I'm busy playing Elder Scrolls I'm trying to mod Skyrim here guys, I mean come on I like to use all these products, we talk about them all week long, we go crazy talking about them And then at the end of the week I'm like, damn it, I haven't even been able to play a video game That's all I want to do with my life, and I'm talking about playing video games all week but I never get to play them Anyway, the eight characters password, yeah, it's no longer secure You know what we need? We need phrases, we need to move over to phrases Think about how secure a phrase like, my mother makes me so angry I could throw a cat down the stairs That's your password, that's what we need That is the most secure password I think I've actually ever heard But it needs to be a full phrase and then some of the things in there can be capitalized Some of them can be like numbers, you know, like the E in the word the can be a three instead No, a system is not going to correct that, that's like insanely secure And it's going to take a human being sitting down and trying to figure out what you might have typed as a passphrase So we need to get rid of passwords and have passphrases And to me a big part of the problem is the way that the internet is lagging behind on this It blows me away how many password fields don't allow over a certain length Or require a special character and a capital but maybe don't even have a length requirement in terms of They don't even ask for eight characters Or the fact that you can't just kind of have a system for things that you can apply across the board Is what causes to me a lot of the problems because it means that most people can't keep track of whether it's all the Okay, so I use passphrases here and then I use passwords that are normal here And then I use ones with special characters and upper and lowercase here And how the devil do you keep track of all of this? And that is exactly what this article points out And that was that the 10,000 most common passwords would have accessed 98.1% of all accounts Because it's not necessarily even about the eight character password being completely, totally not good enough Which it also isn't But it's also to do with people being utterly predictable So the average user also had 26 password protected accounts but only five passwords And last but not least with advantages in particularly GPU compute technology which Logan was talking about earlier An average high powered graphics card with virtualization software would now be able to crack an eight character password in an average of five and a half hours Yeah, I mean OpenCL takes over the world, CUDA, that stuff can crack passwords like crazy And like we've even seen like a year and a half ago I think someone made a quad AMD card system that was just ripping through passwords It was just some random machine on a test bench I saw some kid in the comments over here put that brute force hacking will easily take care of a passphrase Let me just say nope to whoever said that in the comments You know what, if you have a link to an article or something, you guys allow links in your chat Go, do it I personally want to see that because passphrases are way more secure than passwords Passphrases are specifically designed to specifically counteract brute forcing So I'm not sure where you got that from Guys, passphrases even So if you had a passphrase that was 20 or 30 characters long That already is, and even if you added no uppercase, no special characters, nothing Pure lowercase passphrase That is more secure than an eight character no matter what you threw at it I just threw a link into your chat there Wendell sent me this This is from Bruce Schneer and it's on security and it covers this So whoever was saying the other thing needs to read that He's beer games beer for people that didn't notice that Yeah, dude, you have to consolidate your branding somehow Well, let's just check text into getting beer games beer, that's it And raise the world Raise the world's gone, I mean Okay It's no longer a website or anything, it just happens to be our YouTube name I mean, there's a lot of people out there with like YouTube names that are not the name of the brand Which is unfortunate How ridiculous is it that Google doesn't allow that stuff to be changed? I was so mad when I found out that not only can you not change from one Google account to another You can't change your URL, you can't take over ones people aren't using anymore You can't even change the capitalization So I bought the tech quickie channel from someone And they only capitalized the T and not the Q Which drives my obsessive compulsive disorder crazy Oh yeah I can't change it That would make me insane I mean I've sent emails and all that stuff too and there's not much you can do I've almost got my I mean I'm under review right now with Google Plus to maybe just change my name to Logan and get rid of my last name So we'll see if that works out, they might do it But that's about as far as you can get with Google This whole you must be your real identity thing is kind of strange to me It's one of those things where I don't really think about it much anymore because I'm so used to it I've never used a stage name, I never really planned to be an internet personality My intention was to just make some videos for the retailer that I worked at And we could embed them on product pages so that people could know how that product works And be more confident about shopping from NCIX That was the original concept So I have long ago just accepted that everyone knows who I am They know my name, they know everything about me But for the average user Isn't that weird? I don't know, I think everyone on the internet should be allowed to have as many identities as they want I mean I like freedom, just do whatever you want Have a fake name, put a fake picture Spy on people, be creepy, I'm just being silly right now But you know what I mean For the internet I don't think we should be forced to have our real names I'm going to play devil's advocate here And I'm going to say what is the likelihood that the internet would be more like a regular community Where we don't have that League of Legends thing that you were describing Where it's kind of a wild west Do you think the internet would be more civil And people would be less likely to run into a Twitch chat And spam it with raise your dongers If everyone knew exactly who they were And ultimately could tell their mother that they were doing that If there was more accountability Would that be a positive thing But if it comes at the cost of anonymity then... It comes at the cost of anonymity It comes at the cost of freedom even Because when you're putting it out like that You can get attacked so hardcore People will be... if you put a mask on someone They will say what they're really feeling Now that also allows people to come out and just slam people Because they're jerks because they know they have a mask on But you often won't get down to the root of issues And have people willing to be like Okay I'm against this Which is a big public topic at a certain time Because they want to save face So it comes down to that thing where my whole thing with... My problem with politics in general Is that the soccer mom who puts up her hand In the middle of the PTA meeting Is the only one who's actually willing to speak out But no one gives two craps what she thinks And that is a big problem Is that the only people who are willing to speak up about things Are people that we don't necessarily want to hear from anyway So you're saying that the anonymity Allows people who normally wouldn't let their voice be heard Good night Do it And now we'll talk about it So people in public positions That can't necessarily talk about something But really really want to because they feel strongly about it Can go on a public forum that's like the internet And talk about it And not have to worry about getting slammed for it They can say their true feelings about something They can stand for something they can believe in But they don't necessarily have to take all the flack That they could take like getting fired Because that happens Losing your job Losing the sense of your town Disowning you Like family and friends disowning you Whatever it is That and anonymity on the internet While it comes with bad things Like the Xbox Live mentality And all that kind of stuff that we talked about earlier It also comes with things that I personally don't think are worth getting rid of So it gives you the balls to stand up for what's right But also the balls to be a total ball sack I'll end with this before I go out I'm going to say like I agree I agree with both of you in part I mean really you put a mask on somebody you find out who they really are And if you put a mask on somebody and they're anonymous on the internet And they're a jackass To me that's who they really are And I don't want to be associated with them So it's a great way for me to figure out the root of who things are And I'm also I'm totally with Linus Torvold Recently he came out and there's like some people yelling about him Because he's just not a professional person You know he curses a lot in his emails Even to people like at Microsoft and Intel And the people at Intel were like Hey can you be a little bit more professional And he was like screw you I'm going to sit around in my bathrobe And do my job because as soon as I start acting professional I'm not myself anymore And he's like everyone who's trying to pretend to be all professional all the time They just run around backstabbing each other and talking about each other behind their backs Why don't we all just be real And I think that wearing a mask sometimes is the easiest way to find out who the person really is So wear a mask be yourself if I don't like you get the hell away from me All right and with those words guys one more time This is Logan he's our special guest for this week Powered by Razor comms which you can download at this bit.ly link right here Thank you very much Logan for joining us You've been an absolutely fantastic guest And guys in the audience follow him on Twitter as well It's at Logan underscore RTW if I'm correct Yes indeed and you guys can go and watch the tech is live tonight You guys can watch that after the after party it'll be on there You guys can tell them where to go to get that after after party is over Absolutely Yeah thank you guys so much chat's awesome you guys are awesome and we'll do it again sometime Let them know via Twitter if you want him back you guys Or let them know if you don't want him back because you're wearing that mask Yes indeed say anything you want guys I can handle it All right good night man Thanks Logan see you later All right man take it easy see you Oh wow I'm like accidentally calling him over and over again Okay it's all good All right so I'm just going to delete Logan from our stream here We've got a few more topics to cover but let's start with a Twitter blitz shall we Guys hit us on Twitter and we are going to blitz through some questions We've probably only got about 10-15 minutes left on the WAN show tonight We still got to do build logs And we still got to do build logs of the week All right so in the meantime HTC One Mini is back In the meantime HTC One Mini is coming soon Dun dun dun Small hands rejoice I was going to say you must be stoked Because that was one of your main things with HTC One I'm not that stoked No And I will tell you why So this is an article from Mars Technica Guys feel free to check it out We're going to post the entire WAN show document on the forum at some point after the show So it's got the same aluminum chassis So it looks beautiful It looks a lot like the one It's got front facing speakers It's got Beats Audio Which I never cared about I still don't Unfortunately Okay oh it still has a BlinkFeed and the UltraPixel camera But other than that this is a very mundane smartphone 1.4 GHz Snapdragon dual core 1 GHz of RAM 720p screen Uhhhh So unfortunately the small handed people who prefer smaller phones Are still getting mid tier devices because they're cheaper to make Therefore they are positioned differently And the perception of them is that a smaller device isn't as high end And I'm sorry dude Sad face I didn't realize they did that Good news is I already have a 1 Yeah And I'm really happy with it But I knew you wanted a smaller form factor phone And I while I don't necessarily I think there should be that option There's got to be that option It would be nice if somebody did it Yeah And I expected this to be it so that would have been cool Alright guys Twitter Blitz time Here we go Blitz Blitz Blitz Google claims they will have self driving cars on the road this year Profitable this decade We actually talked about this either last week or the week before Is the Kraken Pro recommended for gaming? You could use anything for gaming You could use dollar store earbuds for gaming Whether it's recommended or not It sort of depends on your budget Normally I don't think either of us recommends gaming headphones or gaming headsets Yeah headphones are kind of an interesting question from us Because neither of us use headphones that have a mic on them I used Sennheiser HD 555s for a long time Then I switched over to SteelSeries 7Hs Until finally that connector that seems to inevitably break on every pair of 7Hs broke on mine Fortunately I had just gotten a new 7H sample in the mail So I'm using those However I don't think I told you this I have new headphones coming The Meze ones The all wood ones They look nice but are apparently not that I read something about that No they sound alright They sound alright? The first one that arrived has a bad driver It looks like the package had like holes in it So I got beat up in shipping and all likely had something wiggled loose But there's a new one coming And the one driver that was good I was like Works pretty good So basically could I recommend the Kraken Pro? I could There's nothing wrong with it Sounds alright It's reasonably comfortable It isolates noise a little bit I love retractable microphones It's amazing to me that it took everyone else so long to catch up to SteelSeries on this one Yeah SteelSeries had it for so long They had it for so long And it was really good And they had it like across the board almost They had it on everything down to I think the 3H at one point And then no one else had one I mean if I was to recommend a gaming headset I'd either go for something lower cost Something like a Siberia V2 But they even those don't sound great Personally I can't I hate recommending stuff to people especially headphones Peripherals if you're skimping out And if you wouldn't use it If you need a all in one headset Like A. I don't recommend it already B. Don't skimp on it Sennheiser has options but I personally don't like the PC350 And the PC360 3D PC360 3D looks compelling But it's very expensive I have not used the new models PC360 The open one Because you're talking about the 350 which is closed Yeah that's a closed one 360 3D is the replacement for the 360 Okay yeah 360 was already pretty freaking good But it was really expensive Yes it was So by the time you do that It's 360 3D cheaper You could buy custom one pros and a mod mic Which I would recommend Which you would do Okay first time watching the LAN show live And not archived from Pakistan Hello Will Thunderbolt ever become the norm rather than USB Possibly Actually we have a great article that we're going to talk about After this Twitterlitz Okay So stay tuned G1 Sniper Unboxing anytime soon Yes Is it worth it to upgrade from 570 to 770 Yes Maybe Depends how much you can sell your 570 for And if you need the extra horsepower Look at it this way guys 770 is basically a 680 So go back and look at 680 launch benchmarks Against 570 when they would have been directly compared That will tell you what you need to know Please talk about Haswell eChips They're a long way away Will you let Slick PC do any unboxings Or will it always be just you Will you do any unboxings I asked him about it like two weeks ago I don't know I think that was my same answer I think that's what you said Logan was awesome Should have him again in other news Android 4.3 leaked Have we heard anything I did not know it was leaked yet I did know that was leaked I heard it was seen in the wild on an HTC One at some point Is that what we were talking about No I heard it in the specs of something More better leaked Yeah but I haven't heard much about it exactly Zygmas Tech Darks Nights 2 I have no idea Is eSports a viable business for the future Yes Yes There's a lot of business already started on eSports Yes eSports is a thing There's a lot of companies even dedicated to just talking about eSports What's your best purchase on summer sale so far Oh I have to recommend Bastion Bastion was on summer sale That was an amazing deal and an amazing game If you're old enough What is it Oh man Hotline Miami great game but it has a rating on it Those are both on really really good deals Hi Dubai Are you guys going to be receiving, unboxing, testing the new Silverstone AIO Liquid Cooler This is actually an interesting question And I had an email exchange with Silverstone that you don't know about yet Where they asked us to take a look at it And I basically said like I was going to be completely upfront with them Guys go ahead and send it to me but I'm going to tear it apart Because it has aluminum in it And I personally find that to be completely unacceptable They have a really compelling looking design for the radiator That may dramatically improve efficiency Which is really cool and made me excited about the product But I was like look guys If I'm going to say on every product that doesn't contain aluminum Thank goodness it didn't contain aluminum Then if I see one that has aluminum You got to call it out I got to call it out And they said Oh sorry go ahead No keep going Okay so I linked them to some of the forum threads that existed for the ApuG GTX Which was SwiftX Don't worry the aluminum is coated block And I love SwiftX as much as anyone does But that block was a disaster Total disaster Now I linked them to some of these articles I said look I don't care how good your coating is There's no way I can give this a pass And what they came back to me with was Okay look Linus I totally understand that I understand that I respect that How about this? How about you let us prove it to you first Before we make you talk about this product So it's out there We're shipping them now Six months from now Or nine months from now or whatever Why don't we touch base again? And we can go look Because we are enclosing the whole system Because we are using the appropriate additives And it's true ApuG GTXs that were running the right additives Didn't corrode Because you look at something like your car Your car is not That's as mixed I mean it has like iron in it Like There's so much gunk That's as mixed metals as it gets Your car doesn't corrode because it uses a very high mixture of ethylene glycol So they said look the additives are right All these things are right These aren't going to corrode Let us prove it to you And then we'll let you take a crack at it And I kind of went okay Cool and you know what we'll do We'll slap it on the bench before we do anything And just see what happens What I'm really interested in though is their evaporating liquid cooler Just because it's cool Not because it makes much sense Christopher Guy says we want more Logan Awesome Yeah he was a great guest Did a great job today Three monitor setup is it recommended? Sure if you want maximum productivity I For gaming I don't think either slick nor I are huge advocates of it But productivity of course Would love to see you on the Linus Texas live stream again That's at Logan I think is at Logan underscore RTW If Microsoft unlocked the bootloader on surface RT Do you think something like what happened with HP touchpad could happen? There's no way Microsoft's going to do that And HP touchpad only happened because they were cheap That's not a sustainable business model It's not like Microsoft can just say oh surfaces are now 99 dollars Also they're unlocked and we're going to keep shipping them No HP doesn't ship touchpads anymore Yeah So there you go How do you guys connect two sets of headphones at the same time on the same PC? We use a splitter Yeah Looks like that We're not talking through these mics When we're on stream We're just listening We're just listening About the Moto X You can only get an Xbox to play Xbox exclusive But you can get any Android other than the Moto X So they're not forcing you That's a good point What fans would you recommend to use with the H110 to get the best performance? NF-A14s I think they're called? Noctua? Yeah Just whatever Noctua fits Go go go Should Google buy Detroit? Oh yeah we were meaning to talk about this Detroit so for those of you who don't know Detroit is bankrupt and apparently Canada wants to buy it Okay this is I read this on apparently there's a poll on I think CBC Talking about if Canada should buy Detroit I haven't looked enough into it as It sounds so outlandish That I don't know if I should believe it I don't know like what to say But if a state goes bankrupt like Well Detroit's a city just writing that out there Yeah but Or just if if a If Detroit goes bankrupt If a state or a municipality or anything Like what happens oh but specifically in the states Where it's so segregated If an area goes bankrupt Can it drop out? Could like France buy it? Yeah Like could could Detroit and then catalyzing getting bigger Like could Detroit drop out? You buy Detroit Okay now it kind of grows and the outer areas are kind of wanting in And then you end up buying the state Could you buy a state? Like oh that blew my mind the second I thought about that That's crazy Just just bizarre I'm like are you gonna have to cross a border To go from like Detroit to anywhere else? Is a hydro copper version of a 780 better than a normal version with an EK block? No Have you seen Lockit? It's an app that pays you for an advert on your lock screen No That's kind of cool I guess if I wanted an ad on my lock screen Is 8Pin PGU GPU cable same as 8Pin ATX cable? No Please don't Please don't But would you want to type that passphrase every time? Some of us are pretty quick typists and I personally find it faster to type a bunch of stuff in lowercase Rather than put in a bunch of special characters Yeah Oh Oh apparently the LAN show is on the homepage of Twitch Cool Sweet Alright I think oh boy some tweets from Diesel the intern This guy This guy Should we tweet him that he's fired? Actually that's one of our after party topics is being fired by text message Oh yeah Apparently that's a thing now Okay let's go back into our last few topics here Let's just kind of blitz through them So Samsung has a new 840 Evo drive So this was posted by Jeffrey Chu underscore 81 This is the CNET article that he posted on So they're available in 120, 250, 500, 750 gig and 1 terabyte And Samsung is claiming that these spec wise are a lot closer to 840 Pro Than they are to the old 840 in spite of the fact that they're using TLC flash Which should inherently handicap the write speeds But they have almost the same write speed in IOP ratings as the outgoing MLC drive That's awesome for one and for two This is what we were talking about I think a few months ago When you asked me about SSDs and I brought up that I will be excited when I can buy an SSD that can be a one drive system Okay Because 250 gigabyte SSDs which are popular right now you can get 500 gigabyte ones but it's still not really there If you're looking for a one drive system I mean they're expensive even for manufacturers We have one sample 500 gig class drive Yep so if now they're going to come out and there's going to be a bunch of one terabyte SSDs People might start moving to single drive SSDs And I really hope pricing is close to the M4 which is around 600 bucks Even though with the performance I think Samsung is going to ask for more But if anyone from Samsung is watching there's pretty much no excuse for that Because using TLC flash means this thing ain't expensive to make Other than the R&D that went into developing their new 10 nanometer NAND Which happens to be what they're using in it So once they've recouped some of that R&D cost I really hope that we're looking at mainstream pricing for these SSDs Very exciting Alright our next topic is Ivy Bridgey, Adobe you're too big for this, Shaz, 8 character password Wow we actually burned through a lot of topics today Guys let us know on Twitter and in the Twitch chat how you enjoyed the format So we made a few changes we did away with the live viewer callers We added our special guest Logan Which was very long but very well done I think that was awesome What I personally would actually like to do based on the experience with Logan Is I would like to have a guest for the show Making a three man show, I mean it was so good when Josh joined us I'm going to invite Josh back as well I have extent, oh I think I can confirm this now Next week we have Lou from Unbox Therapy So I know a lot of our discussions this week were focused around privacy and security Which is really a big part of Logan's thing He knows a lot more about it than either of us and he's a great person to listen to about that Next week I really want to have a lot more discussion about social media and YouTube Because Lou is, if I'm good at YouTube I like to think I'm reasonably adept He is better, so I'm going to put it that way He knows this stuff really well and he's also got a very successful YouTube channel Also some tech stuff, maybe we'll talk more mobile Because he's more into phones and console and what not Basically one of the things that we're going to try and do is tune the show To suit really well the person that we have calling in And then the week after that, you guys have been asking for this for a long time How long should I tease them about it? I actually don't know what this is You don't know who it is? No The week after Lou? No I know a list of people Let me tell you, if we had Logan on for an hour, we might need three hours for this guest Oh, I know who it is JJ from ASUS will be joining the WAN show in two weeks So I'm extremely excited about that So we've got our next two weeks of guests lined up And I'm going to keep working hard If you guys have any guest suggestions for me, do let me know And we'll do our best to get in touch with them But yeah, we're going to keep trying to line up awesome guests for you guys Ah yes, I promised we'd talk about this Intel's Thunderbolt prototype flash drive This was posted on the forum by ETRJ And it's a VR Zone article about this device right here It's an Intel, what basically looks like any other thumb drive except for this, guys That right there is a Thunderbolt connector And you can tell it's a prototype Look at this thing, it's handmade Yeah Like the texture on it is ridiculous And Intel is saying that they are able to push speeds of up to 10 gigabits per second Which is twice as fast as USB 3 at its maximum potential So someone was just asking through Twitter Will Thunderbolt be as popular as USB? I don't remember exactly the word I don't think it will be as popular as USB But I think you'll see it used more with stuff like this I think it's going to be the successor to USB I don't think that Thunderbolt and USB actually need to exist together Or it will be the backbone of USB Hold on, I'm going somewhere with this Thunderbolt is already 10 gigabit The next gen spec is going to be 20 gigabit It's not even optical yet Which was what Intel was actually talking about Lightpeak technology, it was supposed to be optical So what would we need any other standard for if Thunderbolt was 100 gigabit? Cheapness I actually completely disagree USB 2.0, I don't think it's going anywhere for a long time But as a backbone As a backbone, that made a lot more sense What if we didn't need... Is Thunderbolt, or could it potentially be in the future As it evolves, any different from Hyper Transport? Maybe, it could definitely be a backbone, that's a very very good point So Thunderbolt is already capable of running to a PCI Express slot And having a card run in it Magma has their... I think it has three PCI Express slots in it Expansion thing, expansion station So if Thunderbolt was the one connector that's actually on the computer And then you plugged that into whatever Thunderbolt at 20 gigabit, or 40 gigabit, or 100 gigabit, or whatever it happens to be I'm not talking in the next five years I'm talking future Could be the only connection that you actually need And it could carry your display, and your I.O, and your network That makes a lot of sense for stuff like hubs But hubs don't even get used that much But what if that was the only option? All of a sudden you'd be using a hub If that becomes a thing, that's true But the thing is, USB 2.0 for a lot of devices doesn't really need to be faster That's true For a lot of devices, and it's so dirt cheap But the USB 2.0 chipset here, and the USB 2 chipset in your hub would still be cheap Or it would be a tightly integrated chipset that connects via Thunderbolt to your PC And then it actually acts as like a southbridge Again though, you've got hubs, you've got other devices That are just going to want to carry one thing around Thunderbolt cables are expensive They won't be, for one thing And we're assuming that any other computer you sit down at has a similarly equipped hub So you're carrying around a USB device We're talking the hub connects to your PC And then has native USB 2.0 on it So when you're sitting on the subway And you want to be able to plug in a flash drive Yes If you don't have a hub with you USB chipsets could still... Oh, okay, I see Okay, but what if Thunderbolt became not only an external but also an internal connector Where the hub was split out within the chassis That's what I'm thinking That makes more sense to me Because then it can be the backbone Like I said, when you first said backbone, I was like bam, that makes so much sense Like I'm going to go as far as to say right now I don't think we need a 10 gigabit per second thumb drive Not really Like, in the foreseeable future In the next 20 years, I don't think we'll have a need for that 20 years? I really don't think so In 20... look at how long 4K is taking Okay, why do we need big files? We need big files probably for content Look at how long 4K is even taking to take off Yeah, but when your mom is filming videos on her cell phone in 4K Yeah When that becomes a thing We already don't need Thunderbolt for that Or 8K or 16K We don't need 10 gigabit per second for a really long time Saying that you don't need faster speed is kind of insane Because everyone will always want faster speed Now if it comes with that much of a premium in cost Then no Okay fine, how about I say this then How about I revise my statement Thunderbolt, external storage devices, portable external Like, USB key replacements that run at 10 gigabit per second will be completely unnecessary And only like, sort of the same guys who are running around with Google Glass right now Will be even remotely interested in them 20 years, this is an insanely long time Okay, but we're 20 years into USB And USB has only gone through a few iterations 20 years into... Yeah, Windows 95 had USB, man So we're what, 17, 18 years in Yeah, that's a little bit lower And USB got revised to USB 2 pretty early on We went a decade with USB 2 being all we... Realistically, finally we needed something more and it came But USB 3 is fast enough for a long time Exponential growth is a thing But it's slowing down, it's not exponential But we went from 1080p to 240 to 4K That's true But even those standards, I mean remember too That we're working on new standards for video compression as well That's a really good point And adding more processing power is going to reduce the need to have fast storage Because storage has been lagging around for so long That we've already been compensating it for so long we're used to it And another thing to add to your side of the discussion is cloud storage Yeah, and cloud Even personal cloud storage If you could just do it over the net and if you're just like And cloud storage and the internet and the fact that even the developing world still has slow network connections Is going to hold back that exponential file size growth for 20 years I think it will I'm not going to put a statement on that But that's bold, I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's pretty bold So I think that those will continue to hold things back The infrastructure will need to be developed further Before anyone's going to be... I mean again, that's why it's taking 4K so long There isn't a television station in North America that is like Yay, 4K! We can't wait to use up 4X or even 2.5X or whatever We can't wait to use up more bandwidth to broadcast the same shows And exactly what you're saying is why cloud gaming is going to take so long To be a fully fledged thing And they're going to keep trying to compress the data more I mean it's one of those things where people talk about how 1080p doesn't look any different from their cable provider than 720p Because they're compressing it so much anyway We're still watching at 720p quality How long has that been around? My 20 year prediction is not that unrealistic No, that makes sense So there you go, that's my take on that And speaking of future technology that's totally friggin' ridiculous We had people talk to us a little bit last week about Elon Musk's Hyperloop So this is the same crazy guy what brought you Tesla as well as space tourism And is turning both of them into viable businesses in spite of the fact that they're both impossible And he has started talking about this mysteriously dubbed Hyperloop that would allow you to go from Los Angeles to San Francisco in half an hour This is an article on The Verge which I thought covered it pretty well And here are the main summary points This Hyperloop, which there's a drawing that I'll show you guys in a little bit Would have to allow an individual to be moving at 600 miles per hour So translated into metric, that's something like 850 kilometers an hour off the top of my head Okay? To put that in context, bullet trains top out at 360 miles per hour on paper But generally speaking they run around 300 miles per hour Musk says it's not inside a vacuum, so it has to be extremely low power He also says that the transportation will be on demand So it won't run on like a scheduled train, you'll show up, you'll get in a car and you'll go And it's very low power and there'll be solar power just from solar powers on top of the device So this brings into, this raises a lot of questions here So question number one is where are you going to get the right of way to build something like this? Because based on, this was from some folks that worked on the bullet train Where they were saying the human body can handle, I think they said about 0.1 of a G Before you start to get motion sick from turning So based on that math it would have to have a 40 mile turn radius So it has to be pretty much a straight line Question number two is where do you get the right of way to build this? Do you build it up off the ground? More like a Futurama Skytube? Or underground? How about that be impossible? Going a thousand kilometers an hour is going to draw on your body so much We'll know, because as long as it accelerates slowly you'd be fine But if it accelerates slowly you must go faster at that point So this drawing right here, yes right there Was how, this is an artist's rendition of how they think it might work And Elon Musk said nothing other than this is probably the closest so far So sorry my conversion was wrong, 900 plus kilometers per hour So here is where the loop would actually be And then this would be an empty air tunnel right here Okay, and then the cars would actually go through this loop And then the air would go through the inner loop, so the cars would decelerate, stop You could board them on demand, where there would be an acceleration zone Which would then put them into the 600 mile per hour plus wind It would have to be extremely low friction And that's one of the things that is a bit of a problem Because air drag is going to be a big problem With low friction being the thing that they're trying to achieve And the energy to keep this air moving at 600 plus miles per hour Is also sort of not in line with the low energy requirement that Musk has set So if it was anyone other than him saying that this is going to happen I think we'd all be just saying you're absolutely crazy right now and ignoring it But because it's Elon Musk I think we're all just going to kind of be like okay dude Show us what you got Yeah that's a good point Do we do build logs and then jump to the after party? Let's do build logs Alright you have to search in the Google Drive I didn't make it here And then just look for Livestream folder Livestream folder? It's called the WAN Show smart guy But you named the folder and have not renamed the folder and it's called Livestream So I'm going to put that one on you I think that you can just calm down Okay where is it? This is the Livestream agendas folder Do you remember what you called it? Should I assume it has July 19 in the title? Yeah Builds of the week, July 19th I'm going to see where you put this I put it in the Livestream folder That's been happening a lot actually Like 50% of the stuff that I put in the Netlink weekly folder actually gets there By the way I'm sorry guys for yelling a lot earlier on the Livestream I was just so amped up And these are... Kind of noise isolating So it's hard to tell how loud I'm talking Mostly I was just amped up because I had one ear cup off later and I'm still doing it I just get so excited about our show I get so excited about Logan I get really excited about Logan He's so sexy You guys should tweet him and tell him he has a sexy beard Linus says he has a sexy beard Oh it's 4x3 I guess I can't complain because it was done for free Alright here we go guys Build Logs of the Week Remember you can check these out in the Build Logs section of the Linus Tech Tips forum Everybody go there now LinusTechTips.com I actually want to see if we can beat our old record Yeah we should try to beat our old How many people are on the site right now record So the old one is... Which is like 1,929 1,929 So only half of you have to go to LinusTechTips.com right now Which isn't an excuse for the half of you that are saying Oh well the other half will do it Everyone go Let's try to beat our most online because Yeah Because it's cool It wouldn't be the only thing we ever beat online Don't... It's... Ok it's slowing down yes But continue to go It will recover I believe in my forum Do you believe in the forum? It will be ok Your forum It gets choke pointed a little bit But then once people actually get online It kind of opens up and it's fine It can deal with that many people being online It's just that many people connecting at once April Fool's like one of these years It's just going to say SlickTechTips at the top and Oh my god We should do that You shouldn't have said that Forget about what he just said Alright let's see if we beat it Oh I'm trying to reload the page and it is not happy Oh it's probably going to be Alright you guys keep hitting it In the meantime we're going to show you Whoa Damn LED lights DAT Silverstone Platinum Power Supply DAT Dominator Memory Very nice liquid cool build That video card is very interesting Maybe a non-gamer I'm trying to remember from memory I believe it's a Palette card Ok So it doesn't look like something that you probably Necessarily recognize a lot Because we don't get a lot of Palette here Palette Yeah you try it it's ok There we go see Did we beat it? It recovered Did we beat it? It recovered and it's going slow It's holding Did we beat it on the internet? We are currently at 939 we're only half of the way there So a quarter of the people who are watching Figured that half of the other people who were watching Who were the half that I was referring to when I said That they wouldn't do it because they thought the other half would do it Assumed that someone else would do it What? Very problematic Wow Alright That was a big loop I actually don't like these combo pump res things Me neither I never used one Yeah I'm not a big fan But basically there you go guys Very attainable build Very very nice looking Check it out it's the Focux by Night Raven Or Night Raven by Focux thank you Alright next up is Project Air from JakeGFX Wow that is clean I knew you would like this one And there's a ton of cool things this guy did I want you to first go through and pick up the things that you noticed And then I'll try and add Alright well number one is they have pretty much taken all the colour out where possible So these PCI Express slots these SATA slots are still coloured For whatever reason there's this one red accent here So it's black with red accents that much is clear It looks like some custom colour scheme stuff has been done here So the GeForce GTX logo here has been blacked out One of these memory modules is still black Is this an in progress because this one looks awesome Nope nope he went with two slightly different styles So he scuffed them both up and one he fully scuffed out the dominator part And the other one he just kind of scuffed out the outsides I agree with you Personally I might have liked them both the same way I might have gone with them both the same But it still looks really cool and I still see what he was going for and it looks great So this is an Obsidian 350D which has had the drive cages removed here And not to make room for anything else by the look of things But just to keep it very minimalistic And the airflow pattern if I was to criticise something about the build Has extreme negative airflow I would really recommend that this user turn this fan around Actually probably you could even get away with taking both fans off here Unless you're overclocking And then run these ones at a very low RPM And you could have yourself one friggin silent system I don't even see where the drives have been put Which probably means they're behind the motherboard tray Which is awesome Alright tell me what I missed You actually did quite, quite good He painted over the GeForce GTX logo And I know I had pointed out the RAM before I think I might be missing a few things Very nice build though Which could be kind of a problem There's so many things and then we go on the WAN show And then I forget what's happened But yeah he swapped out the fans on his silver arrow And the silver arrow is so nice already So sexy And then he went through the trouble He went through the trouble of painting the Dominator Platinums And then scuffing them so that they looked sexier And then he went through and painted on top of the graphics card logo And then he scuffed, this I don't think you can see in the picture He scuffed the Nvidia logo that's on that graphics card So it looks a little bit more rugged And it looks really, really good You can't see it in that picture Check out both their build logs They will be in a forum thread at the top of build logs Called Build Logs of the Week posted by Winspeed36 Everyone go look at it now Because there's still only 1200 people online Hit it 1234 And it is floating 1234, that's my favorite number Is it? Yeah, 1234 every day What do you do? Party? Yeah You've seen me partying at 1234 I'm all like I always thought I attributed it to you just being crazy I didn't realize that there was actually like See, I should have known with your OCD That there would be at least some consistency to the craziness That makes sense No, I'm completely Actually, I completely made all that up I don't know what pattern you found But anyway Thank you guys very much for tuning into the WAN Show We'd love to get your feedback We aren't changing the name of the WAN Show We've had a lot of people tell us that the new name is Stupid I like it Which is why we're sticking with it Also, too bad And we are going to continue working on the format I think we had actually a really good show today I think having a special guest that was really in tune with sort of the stuff that's going on out there was very, very helpful Guys, again, check out Logan He's sexy Wait, no, there was a different kind of checking out Right, find his YouTube channel So Tech Syndicate T-E-K Syndicate on YouTube He's been making YouTube videos for longer than me In fact, his start was very similar to my own I actually meant to ask him to give a bit of a history of himself And I never really did that But he used to make videos at TigerDirect, for those of you who don't know And he was one of the ones that I really looked up to when I was starting out in my video making career at NCIX Tech Tips So TigerDirect TV was huge already And he had a show format that was very similar to what is now the Tech that he used to do over there And I really looked at what he was doing and admired it And eventually, in terms of subscribers anyway, surpassed it But there are still some things, even though he had to start over And that is a big part of the reason that he looks smaller than he actually is in terms of his actual following And how many people have watched him over the years So the fact that he had to start over really speaks to how strong and how quickly he's growing it again He already gets something like 50,000 views on every episode of the Tech So a new episode of the Tech did go up tonight, guys Do check it out and peace out We'll see you in the after party