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Towns is abandoned after selling 200,000 copies and if you don't know what Towns is, it is a game. We can't give them everything right now. I know. So that's it. We've got to hold out on them. Apple is rumored to be buying Beats Electronics for 3.2 billion which would make it their biggest acquisition to date. A marriage made in heaven perhaps? A marriage of devils? I don't personally really have anything against Apple products. We're giving too much information. There's Oculus Rift bird simulator. I'll show you too much information. That bowel movement that I had before we started the show. I might have heard that. Anyways Amazon patents taking photos against a white background. You forgot about the Oculus thing. I just said that. How could you forget Oculus? I just said that. I didn't hear it. What? I said Oculus Rift Bird Simulator. If I didn't hear it, it didn't happen. It's not like you have a dash cam. You were like I'm gonna give too much information. That was what led into that whole thing. That makes sense. Okay, you never set up the intro, did you? Yeah I did. Thank you for tuning into the WAN Show guys. Our sponsors today are ASUS with the G750JZ gaming notebook and Dollar Shave Club. The fast, easy, inexpensive, and expedient way to save time and money. Don't worry too much about the redundancy guys. Dollar Shave Club gives you only the features that you need on your Razer as opposed to vibrating deal handles. I lost track of what we were talking about. Let's move into our first topic which is just unbelievable. This was originally posted on the forum by Pit 5000 and Amazon has allegedly made it so that Linus didn't plug in his notebook before they started the stream. He's gonna have to go ahead and just pray to the technology gods that this is gonna be all good. That's really terrible. Not sure what happened there. Why the sound? Let's try that one more time. I apologize sincerely to our lovely viewers who did not want to hear that HDMI. Oh the title of the show is wrong. Thank you for that, Nick. We actually have a new guy Nick who is responsible for reminding me of things that should have been done. Yes I'm really sorry about that noise. I apologize. Did it update? Are we good? It was like error. I was like, okay, do it again. Thank you Twitch. You are so awesome. I love you. Okay well that's better. Alright so Pit 5000 posts an article that originally appeared on gizmodo.com about Amazon's revolutionary new patent taking photos on a white background. Now to be clear this isn't pure patent troll ass-hattery. It's just mostly patent troll ass-hattery. And to be clear patent troll mostly refers to when the company uses their patents to be aggressive about things and attack people. To attack others and really the thing that the funniest thing about this patent to me is not that Amazon filed for it or that it was granted but that no I don't know. I'm least surprised that they filed for it because big companies just file for everything. Yeah. To see if they can make something stick. I'm extremely surprised it was ever granted and I'm sure they are too but there's some specific interesting things. They go down into specifics on the level of how much wattage the lights use, what ISO your camera has to be at, what f-stop your camera has to be at. Here's the diagram. Exact positioning of all the lights and all the cameras like it's insanely specific. If you go yeah you can see some of it here and if you go to the the second source in the dock you can actually scroll down and then see all the crazy specifics that are on there. So the second source right there. Yeah so here's the actual office. I'm just gonna switch over there. So I mean okay I guess the thing that surprises me here is. These are all the crazy specifics. Yeah so we're in the second rear light source is further positioned at a distance above the floor that is about 1.5 to 2.5 times the first distance and oriented at a downward 45 degree angle relative to the floor and it's like this entire thing. So you know what no the thing that surprises me is that Amazon filed for this. Yeah. As opposed to that it was granted because it's specific enough. Basically the idea is that Amazon doesn't want to waste resources and really no one does. They don't want to waste resources touching things up in post-processing. We waste a fair bit of time around here using a green screen because when you have a green screen if the lights aren't exactly the same that time or the actor stands a little bit further back or further forward or whatever the case may be you can end up with a situation where you have to touch it up and you have to tweak it in order to get it to look right. Amazon's technique requires no touch-ups and that's what they're patenting. They're patenting a perfect technique for taking photos on a white background so that no touch-ups are required. So I can kind of see why it would be granted. The thing I don't understand is why Amazon bothered to file it because of two things. Number one is that by filing this extremely detailed patent all they've effectively done is given anyone and their dog the ability to replicate their supposed perfect technique that has never been done before for taking perfect product photos. The other thing is that they could never prove that anyone reading this patent and replicating their exact technique used it. Someone could just say oh well no I had the pedestal slightly lower. It was at 39.5 degrees. So there's so many very specific things that you could change by a very small amount and then dodge the patent. So I don't understand the point of it. Maybe you guys can enlighten me. You know what Twitter blitz obviously I know you I don't need to see the usual rant about how the patent system is flawed. We know. It's terrible and this honestly this is gonna help that case a lot. Yeah because like this is ridiculous. I mean it is ridiculous but with some of the stuff that we've seen get through it doesn't surprise me that it got approved. But I would like to hear you guys say you know does this seem like the kind of thing that Amazon should have even bothered with or does it seem like the kind of thing that they well yeah. There's only really one answer here isn't there. You know what random Twitter blitz hit us up on at Linus Tech and let us know something. Anything. We love you guys we just want to hear from you. You never call. Oh how funny that it's Mother's Day coming up and that's the first thing on your mind. I was just not yesterday but the day before. Guilty conscience much? I was like just there. Guilty conscience. I've been to my parents house twice this week. Guilty conscience. And the week's not even over. I tried to go visit my mom but she was too busy with her grandson at the pond to take her phone with her so I sat in the parking lot at their apartment building for an hour. I was able to make good use of the time. I switched over from the 1M8 to the 5S. So BAM. When's your review coming? Thanks to my mom. I'm an Apple user again. It's gonna be coming probably not this weekend but next weekend is the plan. So I'll be doing like a retrospective what it was like being an iOS user and then an Android user now an iOS user again but I'll spoil the ending for you guys. I am switching back to the 1M8. So that that's gonna happen. What I'd really like to do is give the Moto X a longer try because I only really used it for my review and I didn't use it for as long as I would have liked. So he's borrowing the Moto X because he can't keep his phones in one place or not broken. But I'd like to give the Moto X another shot and then I'll probably end up on the 1M8 again. Speaking of... One thing I like about the Moto X is that you know I don't know if the 1M8 can do this but I found a lot of Android phones. The OK Google thing doesn't really work. Siri is amazing. With Moto X you can just say OK Google and it'll start working. Oh yeah yeah yeah that's unique. Yeah yeah but like why is it that on everything? Siri is amazing. I've never used it. So get this I didn't even know if it could do this. The thing about Google Google Now is that you have to kind of like Google what it can do and then you have to like remember what it can do. It's not intuitive. Last night I set an alarm for 830 and I was like my wife was like you're not gonna get up at 830. I was like no no I'm gonna get up at 830. She's like you're not gonna get up at 830. I'm gonna wake up. I'm not gonna be able to go back to sleep and you're not gonna get up till 9. So set your alarm till 9 and I was like motivate me and so I set my alarm to 9 and so all I had to do is be like tomorrow's alarm for 830 change it to 9 o'clock or something along those lines like in my own vernacular I just told it what to do and it's like okay I changed that for you and like I didn't even believe it. I just like I had to double check. I don't think you could do that with Google Now. I was just like holy crap Google has and I'm probably... I think you could do it in two steps. I think you could remove the alarm then you could create a new one. But it's not as elegant. And like Google's voice calling is ridiculous. It's stupid. Voice calling? Yeah if you're like call whoever mobile it's like would you like to call this person? Yes I just said that. Would you like to call home? Yes I just said that. Apple? Would you like to call my wife mobile? Calling mobile. Ringing. The only people I really call are in my favorite favorites anyways so it's almost faster for me to just be like click on phone click on person. Like driving and stuff? Yeah. Yeah like I have reasons that I because normally yeah I'll dial and there are things that I miss about Android like Apple doesn't have t9 dialing which is awesome. Yeah like head explode awesome the first time I saw it and that's how I dial most of the time but Siri is so much easier to use than Google Now that I just absolutely love it. I'm not super great with Google Now so someone might yeah someone's probably tearing me apart because there's some exact way that you can word it so Google Now will understand you but I don't care that's not a great user experience. That's one thing even without using Siri that I've been kind of able to pick up. SparkFox is like don't even start on s voice. Well sorry go ahead. Didn't they do a thing recently about like how much people actually use the s apps? It was like not at all. I can't remember who did that I have no source I just I think that happened. No I missed that. That sounds fantastic though. I already love it. If you've ever seen her Siri seems more like the AI operating systems in her Google Now seems more like the thing he's using before that but like a really early version of it. Right. Because you can kind of talk to Siri. Yeah. You can't really talk to Google Now if you try to talk to it'll just Google what you said. I hate that so much. It makes me so mad. Like no I didn't want that to happen. So mad. If I wanted you to Google something I would have said like Google search and then what I wanted. You know what we know it pisses me off most about Google Now is I live in Surrey. I live in a city. Right. I live in a city called Surrey okay and so half the time I try to navigate anywhere it's like something something Siri. Siri. Whereas Siri knows what I'm talking about. It can tell the difference between Surrey and Siri and that is impressive to me. All right so that actually led in really well to a couple of topics here so number one was oh balls where is it. What? Yes Stephen Hawking says AI could be our worst nightmare. You were talking about her. That is a very bad quote. Worst mistake in history or something. Yeah because they're grabbing like the second half of it. It could be like there it could be the best thing or it could be the worst mistake. Yeah so fortunately minimalist the gent who posted this or lady who posted this on the forum has the actual quote which is sort of blah blah blah blah blah it's good saying it could be the most significant thing to ever happen in human history as it's oh no wait no no he didn't no bollocks all right so we'll have to go here could be our worst mistake in history but that is a very sensationalist headline ah okay forget it Luke already covered it pretty well so the idea is that what he actually said is that it could be the greatest thing ever or it could also be our worst mistake because we can't predict what it is although we are facing potentially the best or worst thing to happen in human in to happen to humanity in history so they grabbed like the second half of a sentence then we're like oh my god but what he actually said was best or worst and I'm gonna post this I'm gonna post this link in the twitch chat cuz that's something that we should always do in general yeah and you know what I was really I was proud of the internet today because I was reading this article and I was like oh great article but you know I wonder what people think about it it's got like a bajillion comments under it George Dvorsky here actually posted like a cogent and well structured and respectful sort of disagreement with what everyone else is saying that I really quite enjoyed reading or maybe that's not the right one oh crap hold on which one was it those look like a lot of very well thought out replies which is not very common this is the one this one's right George Dvorsky's thing is absolutely awesome and he kind of talks about okay PV PV you are the man or woman because that is that is that is a great response and it just kind of talks about how a lot of the fear that people have of AI is is based on the assumption that AI would behave the way that humans do and that it would perceive a lesser a lesser being as something it has to crush or has to destroy and gives it he kind of outlines three likely scenarios so scenario a which is that the AI attempts to destroy humanity scenario B that the AI attempts to help humanity and scenario C that it just does nothing at all and the argument that AI would probably choose option C or option B without us noticing so a combination of the two seems most likely if a computer were to operate from a purely logical perspective what does it stand to gain destroying us really well probably a better environment a better environment for what it's metal it's not like it's gonna take up space but it needs to be able to gain electricity if it had solar electricity we could possibly pollute the sky or ruin things right if its only goal is gaining electricity we are organisms that are using electricity as well so if it got rid of us then it could use all the electricity which assumes that it needs more electricity which assumes that it needs more there's a yeah I don't know I haven't even read this I'm just throwing in devil's advocacy so yeah I mean so so anyway this writer makes a very very strong argument for and probably doing nothing that's it and honestly that's kind of my side of it as well is because we would pretty much have to program in the like hate for us for that to even happen or not I mean because I mean the whole the whole thing the whole AI thing is that it can learn is that it can learn and it can come up with its own ideas and if that idea happens to be a way to improve itself or to manipulate people to you know improve it or whatever else the case may be I suspect a very smart being would want to do all that without being noticed that's all yeah all right so and that actually led really well into one of our oh you know what let's do our Twitter blitz and then we'll move into one of the other things that led pretty well into one of our topics here which was Samsung's head of mobile design resigns after the galaxy s5's poor reception so I actually I definitely I you know Samsung's one of those companies that just I don't know what it is but they're pretty fun to beat up you know like I love a lot of things about them but other times they just make me make me want to shake my head cry all right so mark says Linus why do you use ie because this is a fresh OS and ie is what I'm logged into everything with I know but I'm not logged into everything lazy don't forget the outro this time thank you Joey oh here's Linus in his Lambo where is that picture whenever anyone Photoshop anything that's always the picture of you that they use this picture yeah it is from a thumbnail on an ancient NCI X tech tips outside of the old NCI act like for you I used to have it on my first Google Plus profile so like how is it anyways I just I see it so often this is see you can tell the quality of this one is quite poor yeah so this could have been pulled from someone else putting it somewhere okay so I think that's how things spread on the mix yeah as the patent is so specific it's fairly worthless not like the covers everything related Apple ones exactly and that is exactly my point why bother how is it even worth the thousands of dollars that it costs to file a patent yeah all they're doing is revealing how I could go and build that studio tomorrow thank you Amazon yeah not that I'm gonna do that of course not because we use something similar but yeah we can do with green instead of white yeah when is the NCI X ultimate NAS setup video coming at some point I'm not sure it's up to wheels over there and why no guests in when quite frankly because I'm lazy Intel Z 97 is out with Haswell refresh coming on Sunday I've never understood why Intel does this or AMD for that matter where they launch a chip set without a CPU or vice versa so I mean we have like a literal stack of Z 97 boards that I haven't even looked at because why would I even bother benchmarking them with non has well refresh chips I don't understand so we'll wait until some has well refresh stuff lands and then we'll we'll get on that for you guys okay did you know about boink yes we have a boink team of the forums that is like huge so if you're interested in joining check it out we're top in Canada for like a few different things and we're world recognized so yeah we also have a giant folding team if you want to join that too the folding team is actually bigger in relation than the point team is David Cooper says if you make a great AI someone will eventually tell it to do something evil but that assumes the AI can't think for itself which it can because awesome Jake plush thank you Rob says I just ordered some IE 80s thanks to the recommendation and yes I use the sponsor link Rob you're awesome yeah thank you for being awesome also the IE 80s are awesome yeah I still use them every day I love them they're fantastic I used iPhone 4 my experience is very disappointing I was since I switched then I may test the iPhone 6 I'm really interested to see what Apple does with iPhone 6 if you don't think five days is not oh oh this is a tweet in response to something that I was talking about on Twitter last night where one plus offered me a five day loaner unit of the one plus one and I basically told them forget it because what I can do is not like I'll play around with it for five days and then I can talk about it on WAN show but I'm not gonna do a review because quite frankly the our review of the 1m8 which I think represents the very best that I can do at least right now in terms of a phone review our review of the 1m8 took me well over a week just to use the phone and make notes on and prepare and then like obviously it wasn't a week dedicated to just that I was making other videos throughout that week but everything's kind of like that where I'll spend a week with it part-time and and I'll be making notes as I go then it took me hours to compile into a full script hours to shoot and then it took a full day for one of my editors to edit so I'm sitting there going okay so you're gonna give me five days with this what I'm gonna rush my review all in the name of I can play with a phone for five days well I'm sorry what's in this for me what's in this for my viewers why am I doing this even like our phone reviews actually started off with month-long trials that was the whole thing with us starting phone reviews and then even with the Tegra note which I didn't even do a ton on I had it for slightly over a week and on the Saturday during that week I spent literally the entire day doing nothing else except for playing with the tablet so yeah so that's kind of the idea we don't necessarily do the spec-heavy reviews that other guys do or the benchmarks that they do we focus on what it's like to actually use the bloody thing I noticed I never got the Tegra note back it's doing ah that's right oh we have a really cool video coming soon there's a product that claims to use UV light to clean your phone at night so we actually we got like real Petri dishes and stuff and like did swabs and stuff so we're gonna let you guys know if that works that's coming really soon that was like immediately after my guy I remember that now I thought you were stealing company property again why wherever would I get that idea wherever would I get that idea like you all right so let's uh move on to our next topic here Samsung's head of mobile design resigns after galaxy s5 poo reception it's funny where that got cut off on the page there we go I mean in terms of parties what would a poo reception be hopefully not fondue hopefully not fun to I was trying to think of some way to spin it well and then I was like well it could be like a pondu thing I was like that's actually really disgusting that's actually a lot worse um so anyway so so follow posted originally on the forum by ETRJ so yeah he is resigned following criticism about the galaxy s5 lack of thank you for using a word that I actually don't know how to pronounce appreciate that EGRJ so though the galaxy s5 design did not actually deviate too far from earlier models it's looks done textured plastic back were round were roundly I'm not even reading this anymore you're from like the UK and you're writing it wrong so basically reviewers didn't like the build quality and they didn't like the backing material I don't know what people didn't like about the backing material I liked it it's different it's easier to grip I'm not against it yeah like I actually quite like the backing of the galaxy s5 it's one of the things I did like about it because I don't like touch whiz that's for sure I mean honestly I think the criticism of the s5 is less about the s5 not being a solid incremental improvement honestly the build quality feels a lot better than the s4 to me it has less flex in it by far it's waterproof and water-resistant rather and all that stuff but I think it's more to do with the phone community getting bored and not actually recognizing their own boredom for what it is there there it's harder for them to find things to get excited about compared to in the past when there were so many amazing new innovations coming with every new smartphone we've talked about this a fair bit on the show but it's kind of like PC enthusiasts saying you know MSI or Asus's or whoever's new motherboard isn't exciting therefore it sucks well really it's just mature now and it's not changing much anymore and you're just not into it that much anymore and I think people are not recognizing that they're losing the interest maybe not in the software side I think there's still a lot of innovation to happen on the software side of things but in terms of the hardware we've all basically consolidated down to you know an iPhone one of various sizes or shapes yeah that's very very similar so one thing that I like like every single time we bring this up I bring up LG because they did move the buttons to the back like there is things you can do with layout and stuff that still has been untried yet and there's gonna be things like virtual keyboards and stuff that people are gonna be working on but it's not gonna be like major drastic game-changing things on every single phone release so that's so that's that's what I think this is I mean you know despite the perceived lack of beauty Samsung managed to sell 86 million smartphones in q4 last year widening its lead over Apple but Samsung is apparently struggling to make a profit on its phone thanks in part to have this way this is written anyway they spend a lot on marketing so that's that's costing them a lot I guess that's all there is to really say about that is I think it's just people not being excited about the phones in general and not that Samsung is particularly doing anything wrong I mean I mean they are doing things wrong but they're not doing anything really new wrong like they're still they're still making touch whiz for old people which like I don't know how to fix something like that because when you've when you've cornered the market on old people who can't see their screens very well it's not like you want to go ahead and change all your UI elements and make them small but you could you could have like a scaling option or something yeah you got scaling that works better I guess that's an option all right so I was looking for a segue here and I've got nothing but no I don't think is absolutely brutal I mean when I first heard about this I I was kind of sitting there going well geez I hope this doesn't go anywhere because we review things and sometimes we say negative things about them so you were actually looking into this a fair bit I thought do you want to cover this one I I've done a lot of talking was but I don't know where it's really gonna go Amazon axed them really hardcore really quickly you're skipping to the ending you haven't told them what happened yet I don't like okay so someone someone posted a review and then media bridge feet freaked out people are saying that media bridge has had falsified or fake reviews in the past and then this one crazy flammatory review was really bad media bridge came back saying that oh you cost all these people jobs and all this kind of stuff by posting this review and it's flammatory so we're gonna go after you I'm not exactly what sure happened between them at that point but then Amazon axed them completely they cannot sell through Amazon anymore I believe that still does mean that other sellers through Amazon could sell their products right but they can't sell as an Amazon product which will probably hurt them a lot because I know at least me I know there's people that don't care but personally if I'm buying something off Amazon it has to come from Amazon or else really why am I buying it off Amazon oh I just buy stuff off Amazon marketplace all the time the reason is that Amazon marketplace means you have Amazon's customer service as a protective I've tried that before didn't really work really oh I they were like yeah we can't really do much it's not us I was like okay oh wow yeah that's why I personally only do it through Amazon I have done it example I have done it before right and it totally didn't work out at all I bought an old-school game and it came in the box and stuff and is a really good price and I ordered online and I've never really liked ordering old-school games online right it's very possible like the the game store that I buy from locally they have like a nine-day return thing so you can go home make sure the game actually works because right probably ancient and then if it doesn't work and get your money back online that can be kind of an issue right right sometimes it's not even worth the cost of shipping it back yeah it depends this time it didn't work and I was like okay well I want my money back because it was a nice in box game and it did cost a little bit of money and they weren't responding so I went to Amazon customer service and they were like well huh I don't know well there you go okay well you learn something every day so basically so they what it looked like was gonna happen here at first was that just you know a guy posted a negative review where I okay the negative review did contain some pretty specific criticisms of of media bridge slash media link and that was that it was there just a rebadged router which honestly a lot of consumers think that that's a really big deal it's not most things that you're gonna be buying are actually rebadged have you ever bought you know like and it depends on how you even wanted to find like rebadged have you ever bought a D link wireless adapter because it's just gonna have an athros or Marvell chipset on a PCB that's just gonna be basically a reference design with some plastic thing around the plastic thing is that a rebadge I don't know is that integrated a product from a supplier and that they sell to the consumer but probably I don't know so I mean maybe it was a rebadge maybe it wasn't what the reviewer also said was that okay so said it was blah blah blah said that they had falsified other reviews on Amazon in order to make their products seem better than they are which is a pretty serious accusation and so if they were gonna go after him for libel then that would be potentially there would potentially be a case there and then the problem though is that what media bridge did is they came back saying you have harmed media bridge we intend to hold you liable for all damages sustained they said he must delete his negative product review on Amazon within three days of receiving the letter stop all defamatory and injurious conduct toward the company and agree never to purchase or comment on a media bridge product again so the rear has actually since changed the review to remove the statements but you know I think that that's not yeah this quote to damage is just kind of done at this point the quote about the remove the reviewer removing the statement is kind of interesting because it goes exactly like this the reviewer has since changed his review completely to remove the libelous statements but unfortunately not before having an army attack us on the internet this is from media bridge so they they're they're basically accusing the reviewer of you know colluding with other internet denizens to go and like thumbs up the review because it was a big part of the problem for media link I guess huh is that it was the most helpful negative review and honestly those are the ones that people see the most helpful positive one the most helpful negative one and it had a bunch of people fums and get up saying it was helpful so and like sometimes I see reddit as just a pack of dogs that needs something to go after all the time it could be positive it could be negative it could be whatever and like maybe it would just happen that there is no other really super important super positive or super negative news at that point in time and it hit reddit this right point in time they're just like raw because that happens yeah I mean definitely a thing it's funny they use the word army because you could probably describe the reddit community as an army sometimes you know who that army works for exactly we're not sure but they for the people in theory I guess but sometimes you know an army of the people without you know clear leadership and a clear sort of direction can just kind of do things and whether they were wrong here or not actually hard to say I mean it's possible that media bridge was totally off base it's possible that the reviewer was totally off base and saying things that just blatantly weren't true but then it's always better to communicate with that person rather than having a lawyer do the communication yeah or just prove them wrong yeah I mean that's the issue to me is when you when the opening salvo is do this or else cease and desist or else the opening salvo should be hey um yo do you mind yeah yeah and then if that's a problem well then you get the lawyers involved or like talk to Amazon about their review service and try to bring up the whole like oh well he posted like surprisingly positive reviews on other people's things just to make ours look really bad and there's like good and all the kind of stuff talk to Amazon about that talk to him try and prove that you're not rebadging even though that probably doesn't matter try and prove all these other different things then you get posed as the good person and then the reddit army gets behind you instead of in front of you good old reddit army all right so we've got our next topic here and that is that the developers this is just oh this is interesting this is terrible so the I think the official post saying that he was actually taking it down wasn't even done by the original developer let's see here yeah yeah it wasn't even done by the original developer it was done by a guy that joined on and his agreement that was that he would make 15% of the sales of towns so it became not worth it for him personally because town sales were going down this isn't the game even isn't even released yet but town sales were going down so he wasn't making enough money the original creator also felt like he wasn't making enough money although the game is worth how much and then it's selling 200,000 times so that dude probably did actually make quite a bit of money and in this post they talked about how they're interested in making a sequel did you know that part okay we haven't really given the audience any context did you sleep much last night are you tired no but it's pretty straightforward okay but we haven't told in an early access game that hasn't been released yet yeah oh did you yeah it's like the second thing that you just straight up didn't hear anyways it's it first launched on steam at the end of 2012 it's an in development game it's I think it's through the green light system that it was yeah it was one of the greenlit games it's it's it's not out yet so 200,000 copies has been abandoned and they're planning on yeah I mean the original dev abandoned in February saying you know burned out handed it over to Florian Frankenberger and then within a couple of months now it's not going well and development is being completely abandoned I mean um how do you fix this I don't know people have been talking about contractual obligation to complete a game if it gets greenlit so if you put your game mean yeah I mean ask EA yeah that's a good point it's it's it's hard this is a problem with early access and then we got that guy posting on our forums where taking this away is gonna hurt a massive amount of developers yeah but then leaving this here is gonna hurt a massive amount of people well because there are the success stories with early access like Minecraft mine what an enormous success story and there's a lot of games that honestly people are enjoying playing right now because they're honestly not that broken and probably shouldn't be in beta or early access that are currently in early access like I know rust a lot of people were playing rust and having no real problems with it now I know there's a ton of bugs but don't worry about it for a long time and I don't know if it's released now or not but like a lot of people are playing it very actively there's a huge community behind it and it was fine it's it's going okay and there's a lot of games that are like that the guy that posted in our forum I believe was for like robot dodgeball or something did robot disco dodgeball I saw them at packs east actually so yeah I don't I don't know how you exactly fix this a big problem is what you just brought up whereas if you put like a concract school obligation where you have to release the game or have to complete the game if you decide to abandon it you can just be like not early access anymore now it's done yeah maybe they can have something where there's like a minimum goal like you have to have these amount of things in the game yeah but like how do you define that I mean the cut okay the the lawyers involved in writing the contract that I mean and think about the development process of anything like what if what if Linus media group or something a year and four and a half months ago had been told to contractually commit to what kind of videos we were gonna do two years from now I mean the amount that what we do has changed in that time and I mean any creative processes like that you know like a game you might go okay we're gonna have three campaigns and three races and you might kind of go oh this is stupid Starcrafts been made already we're gonna have six races or we're gonna have two races or you know whatever else that happens to be as long as you don't just have one race Donald then you know you're being very 21st century about it that's all I'm trying to say and the point is that that it can change so the kind of contract that you have to write to like spell it out in detail enough that they would actually have to deliver I don't know how to fix it it's impossible I mean the lawyers the lawyers would be happy with that arrangement I'm sure yeah yeah one thing is like this is this comes back to the Kickstarter talk we're talking about a long time ago and something that you guys should probably take a look at if you're really interested in this is total biscuits video on early access but it's it's where like do your research make sure the guy that you're supporting has like made a bunch of stuff Chris Roberts hopefully it's a game studio there are entire game studios putting stuff up on green light and on Kickstarter make sure that there's some sort of a background it's I haven't read enough into it but I've heard some people saying that the guy that made towns has a few failed projects in the past I don't know if that's true I've just seen that in a few different places it's like that's the kind of stuff you want to look into it's an early access game you are gambling to a certain point you're not you're not buying the game as is right now or if you are then you're happy with it already and it doesn't matter but that's the that's the problem is that people feel like when they pay for something they should get something like here and it's the whole they should they should that's the whole Kickstarter problem is people perceive Kickstarter as like buying something but the problem is that Kickstarter is more like a donation yeah because you're not buying something because oftentimes they don't actually have to deliver it or it doesn't have to be very functional and then the other times wait so all right right right so so and the other problem is that if it is really successful you don't actually get a cut of it so it's not an investment and it's not a purchase it's a donation to support someone who you think should make the thing that you like like honestly guys I've got what I think is a fantastic idea for a movie trailer that I want to make I think that Linus Media Group has gotten to the point where we are capable of creating an awesome movie trailer we are nowhere near capable of creating an awesome movie they're really different very different things completely different skill sets in a lot of ways but what we could easily do is we could kick start and that's the thing is a well merchandised Kickstarter so we could kick start support us to make this movie give us you know a hundred thousand dollars or whatever the case may be we could make a fantastic trailer spend fifteen twenty thousand dollars on that and then just you know buy ice cream with the other eighty thousand dollars release a movie that's like starring me and Luke and shot with like a phone camera and we haven't actually done anything illegal and like this ties in I think I've told this story on the show before where I've backed a lot of Kickstarter projects most of them have been successful some of them have been glowingly successful to the point where the guy that's made it yeah Pebble real companies are formed but like some of the smaller ones that I've done where it is a company but now it's like two or three people and it's been a year and a half since I got my product in my hands for them like it's been a long time they're still in contact with all of us all the Kickstarter backers are getting huge discounts all the time just because they're like thank you you allowed us to become a thing that's awesome and that's what you kind of hope happens from Kickstarter and they still allow us to put input in towards projects that they're doing in the future and stuff like that which is really cool but that doesn't happen all the time I have been completely screwed over I bought into a Kickstarter the guy didn't post updates forever and then was randomly like yeah no I didn't do anything and I'm not going to do anything so nope like hundred percent and then he's like oh apparently I have to give refunds so give me your information and then no update and then months later he's like well I'm doing the refunds today no one got them and then radio silence since then I don't ever expect to get that money back and you know what's really stupid is some of the kickstarters I've seen fail are even things as stupid as like playing cards yeah they just yeah flat-out didn't make it's like really what did you spend the money on and you know a lot of the time I think it's on like a posh office and like a nice new computer to put on their fancy desk when really and it frustrates me the way a lot of startups behave like they already are making the money as opposed to figuring out how to deliver the product the best that they possibly can to their customers the best way they possibly can without spending that money so that they can keep that money to reinvest in themselves for the future I mean that's how I think businesses should be run but a lot of the time that's not really how it goes there was recently a kickstarter I don't remember what this was for I wish I had research on this but they were complaining that they had ran out of money because one of the employees in the company when they're running their Kickstarter was in like serious money troubles so when the Kickstarter ended and they got all the money he took like a third of it and they were just like yeah it's a cash advance for like six months salary and then they're like oh wait we don't have any money left because we gave it all to him and it's like what are you kidding me was that somewhere on the Kickstarter page we were funding this guy's like probably I'm gonna assume gambling troubles like could be drugs could be drugs could be anything like no that wasn't a part of the Kickstarter but could be just anything I used to work with I used to have a co-worker who we were in sort of a similar without giving too much detail I have some idea what kind of money she made and like the amount of money that I saw getting like I knew I knew the pay grade I knew approximately the expenses I knew her pretty well and the amount of money that I saw her blowing on hobby stuff I was sitting there going okay so you're constantly like asking for more money but I know that you waste it all on stupid crap so maybe if you stopped wasting it on stupid crap we wouldn't have this problem because you make a very fair living wage yeah speaking of a fair living wage 3.2 billion apples reportedly considering buying beats for 3.2 billion oh this has been updated since the last time I looked at it by Alex goes high it's apparently kinda confirmed so I right yes I did hear about this so dr. Dre was caught up celebrating the deal in his studio because he posted a video about said celebration on Facebook that has been deleted the verge evidently saved it to their servers prior to the takedown so basically in the video dr. Dre describes himself as the first billionaire in hip-hop and doesn't explicitly confirm the Apple acquisition but the the implication there is that the deal is basically already done so Apple would be acquiring not just like headphones which to me is less I mean yeah it's a huge business and all that but that's less of a big deal and probably if Apple decided to release their own Apple branded headphones they could crush beats headphones if they really felt like it I mean the kinds of people who buy beats headphones are probably gonna also be interested in Apple headphones and quite frankly I have a lot more faith in Apple than I do in beats when it comes to making a decent pair of head I'd assume it had really good build quality which I don't assume of beats I don't even know but I just I don't assume there there nothing I've never bought a pair of beats so I forget where I was going with that what is your thing you said you have a very unpopular opinion I'll get to that so Apple will also be buying beats is streaming service so that is is a music streaming service that's actually similar to something that Apple's been rumored to be developing so it would potentially work on Android devices so this could be a great way for Apple to get into the music streaming service I mean music is something that Apple's been very heavily into since the jobs days and it could allow them to get a chunk of that pie on the Android side without like creating branding weirdness around you know iTunes for Android whatever they want to call it or or whatever that ends up turning into so I think that's actually more interesting it's funny to me that this is actually by far Apple's biggest acquisition so it's the second biggest was actually next back in 1997 when they brought Steve Jobs's next computer company that are computing next I forget what it's called anyway when they brought next back into the fold and reacquired Steve Jobs so this is far bigger than that Apple's more about the little strategic micro acquisitions where they see like a really smart technology and buy them up before they get big yeah so this is very uncharacteristic for them making like a power move like this it's interesting I see it kind of makes sense though because of how much they're already entwined yeah sort of I mean they sell beats in the Apple store but I mean they also sell Cooler Master like aluminum phone stands in the store I don't know about you in terms of revenue beats brings in a lot more than the Cooler Master aluminum stand you know what's baffling to me is how I managed to live in the kind of bubble that I live in like when we were trying to do the hack and tosh build I had the the the guy we were working with rampage dev who's a hack and tosh developer really nice guy super nice guy we really like him cool guy um he was like oh yeah to create the the bootable USB drive just plug it into a Mac and do this I'm like I don't have a Mac he's like then borrow one I'm like I don't know a single person who owns a Mac he's like what like look don't worry man I'll figure it out but I don't know a single person who owns a Mac I don't know a single person who owns beat headphones that's a beat beats beats headphones who a while ago who I don't think he still has them do I have to hit him I don't think he's I know he has monster turbines is it Brandon no it's not ed is it no no he had them a while ago I don't know if he still has them no we were making fun of people who own beats headphones yeah and I was saying that you have monster earbuds but those are actually fairly well well reputed so you're okay you're off the hook Brandon yeah he had the like small ones that go on your ear oh really yeah oh headache so it's a while ago though and he got like an employee discount on it's our new guy we are all ashamed of him I wouldn't have hired him if I'd known that is a very sad very sad state of affairs right now imagine he posted that on the audio for him so here's just water here's what I will say about an Apple beats acquisition I would actually be pretty excited to see a product that came out of this union that's what I'll say that's all I have to say about it guys I'm gonna create a straw poll because Apple owns them would you be as I was gonna say if it was the other way around and I was like no there's no way I could have made that so you could have kept talking oh I don't really have anything else to say okay are we done with this topic then yeah I'm just going to like basically I okay I guess I do have more to say so the reason that I would be excited about that is because beats I appreciate their style and I appreciate their marketing but what has always been lacking for me is the actual build quality and the actual exceptionalness of the product so anything good yeah where and but what they're what they've been good at what they have been good at is increasing the demand for quality audio solutions even people were like wow this is bad I want to buy something better no no no no no no no like like commercials like the HP envy commercial where they have dr. Dre with his stupid headphones on on an HP notebook and like talking about how better audio enriches the experience because it does the problem is that beats never actually delivered the enriched audio experience but the good thing they did was they made people a wear of crappy audio and how much it sucks so what I would like to see Apple do so here's my straw poll you guys what I would like to see Apple do is actually build something with beats branding that is good because hate on Apple all you want the iPhone 5s is an exceptional piece of hardware and even all even the Android fanboys have to agree that what's great about the HTC one series the 1m7 and the 1m8 is that someone on the Android side finally rivaled Apple for build quality which would imply that we never had anything equivalent before they are quality built products they're fast Apple actually engineers solutions that are good they're processors that they actually build themselves unlike pretty much everyone else with the exception of Samsung where they're just using an off-the-shelf processor Apple actually engineers the crap out of things so if they engineered the crap out of a $300 pair of headphones I would expect to actually get $300 level build quality and $300 level sound quality out of it that's what I would like to see there's you can't possibly say that they don't make things well you can but it's just stupid that's all I have to say about that okay yeah you could technically say yeah you could say it but you're just completely wrong yeah so there you go do you want to do a topic sure there's a lot left here I'm gonna throw those straw poll results up there boom okay so one that I find really interesting because we've been talking about VR a lot lately and yep I'm gonna talk about another Oculus Rift thing is that the biggest thing that we've both said is that it's not necessarily immersive enough yeah because not all your senses are engaged and that's what's really interesting about this I could engage your senses that wouldn't have to be VR oh god really is this the thing that you're gonna do on the show no okay you're talking about all right so wow anyway so a company called something Berkeley I think I'm a little bit distracted right now has created this giant machine thing that they're quoting saying you do not control the machine you embody a bird the red kite which is a bird but honestly you're controlling a machine but what's really interesting about it is that it engages your physical sense so you're literally you're laying flat up on this machine and then you have to flap as if you're a bird like he's doing right there and then it is putting smell into the environment so what you see on the Oculus Rift is pushed through towards you so if you're flying over a forest you'll smell a forest if you're flying over mud flats you'll smell mud whatever and you can see that giant fan right in front of them that fan will change how fast it's spinning depending on how fast he's going in the game so if he starts going really quickly the fan will start spinning really quickly so you're getting not necessarily accurate but you're getting representative wind speed towards your head and you're getting smell and you're getting vision from the Oculus Rift this is kind of the stuff that I'm talking about it's still not gonna feel like you're actually a bird because you're laying on something kind of flap it around but it should be really interesting to be able to try they're saying that it has all factoric what is it called sorry but now all factoric smell no I know but is that how you pronounce it olfactory olfactory perception yeah so olfactory perception is how you smell things they have feedback on that they also have feedback based on which it which is based on the location of the bird while you're flying I said if you fly over forest all that kind of stuff and then it has wind speed and actually physically flapping oh you can have that banana on your shirt I don't want that in my hand cool though because this is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to exciting things that we're gonna be able to do with VR yeah and like this maybe isn't the most realistic thing for something that everyone's gonna have in their house yeah it's like it's like if if we had conversations before about how I was like yeah Omni is cool but like I wouldn't find room for it in my house like yeah I'm gonna have like a dedicated like you know quarter of a room for like my bird simulator machine and my goat simulator machine and my farmer simulator machines like it's gonna turn you know what gaming is going back to arcade sized machines they're gonna they should get it to the point where there's one and it's like a transformer you know what game you want to play it just like changes itself that would be amazing somebody kickstart that I'm not gonna give you my money because I know you can't build it I was just gonna say don't kickstart it cuz you will never be successful it won't work but I like how you think yeah exactly all right but yeah I hope they have this kind of stuff like science world yeah that would be cool or different things like that so you can actually tell us world of science can you believe that like it's like telcos you know can you is there another way that you could demonstrate that you have too much money tell us world of science Rogers arena yeah like no no no no no no no science world goes beyond that so sponsoring arenas that's one thing that's that's like yeah we don't know what to do here's all the money to name your arena whatever it is tell us what the science they bought it they own it what yeah so science world is is a dome in Vancouver that's really cool it's actually fantastic world after dark is like one of the coolest great place to take the kids great place to even go on a date like they just have cool exhibits that are sciency and like puzzles you can do and before you do so science world's fantastic so tell us actually they were running out of money because it was publicly funded and you know it's like anything cool not enough people go because everyone's too busy playing video games um so I've been like five six times so tell us one of our local telcos just bought the thing okay whatever okay speaking of just buying the thing I guess it's time for our sponsor segment so we're gonna start with Dollar Shave Club oh no no no I'm actually I'm actually not as I finally got why the banana exists I was like this is weird and I knew it was here like it was prepped to be here and like if you wanted to eat the freaking banana you could eat it before so Dollar Shave Club sent us a second package because you can see that between me wasting all of our shave butter I actually really wish I hadn't wasted it it smells really nice and it's like kind of nice to use so between me wasting all of our shave butter Taryn stealing one of the razor handles and someone else taking off with a 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I think that's all we have to say about that and are you really gonna do this to me Wow all right so thank you a sues for sponsoring the WAN show we are proudly using the Asus g750 jay-z gaming notebook for all of our WAN show needs and actually needs that go beyond the WAN show since you messed up my last integration why don't you go ahead and talk about why you took the g750 jay-z which happens to belong to the company on a personal trip with you what was exactly the point of that well the point was that I had to test out a tegra note so I had a phone I had a tegra note and I had a laptop and part of my idea was if I needed to do something what did I go to grab so I needed a laptop that being said I might own one so basically you decided like oh well this one's pretty badass so even though I have my own laptop that I just I haven't even seen that in a while have you just junked it I was using it for network diagnosis okay so you haven't just completely claimed to this at this point although you basically tried you know what's funny is when we first found out we were getting these he didn't even know what the specs of the ones we were getting her like no idea I'm just like yeah we're getting new Asus gaming notebooks and he's like oh we're getting them for WAN show I'm like yeah he's like oh well when we're done with WAN show I can replace my desktop with it right I'm like oh I knew it was gonna be faster than the desktop that I have which like I'm happy it's not even that bad it's got a quad core yeah but like okay so the point of the g750 jz it's not the lightest thing ever okay it's a little bit on the thicker side it's a little bit on the heavier side it's not an ultra book but the point of it is that it delivers pretty near a desktop grade experience out of a notebook something that is actually portable and you know what I've actually observed like I've been running on battery for the entire show here and compared to my Dell my XPS which ran out of battery in two hours and 55 minutes or something today I'm sitting with like three hours left a battery even though we've been streaming for over an hour now and I've been using it without with battery before the show so I mean I like that the thing I like about a large notebook is that they can go ahead and put a big old battery in it and the fact that the GPU is not even on when you're just doing basic things with it means that you don't actually deal with that power loss you know that right yeah I know but there's still technically it's a little bit it's not much yeah it's not much yeah I forget what the features go optimus right I was like oh yeah I don't remember what that's called anymore but the point is that it comes with a GTX 8 ADM which is about equivalent to a GTX 770 desktop GPU and it comes with a core i7 4700 HQ which is actually not really equivalent to anything Intel's desktop CPUs are faster but still in our testing we found that it kept up you know running Bioshock infinite on 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notebooks there are lots of places to buy notebooks like the notebook calm is that no that's probably not a thing I actually don't know that's probably for the movie yeah I would think so let's see alright so we're gonna go ahead and have a look at whether people would be excited to see an Apple slash beats co-developed product the overwhelming majority of you say no or maybe and the underwhelming that's a pretty flat vote the underwhelming minority of you say yes but then yeah so for most of you zero cares were given okay I get it but I will objectively evaluate anything that comes out of that partnership before before the show was on he asked me about it and I said I just can't really bring myself to care very much and he's like well you should probably blah blah blah I was like yeah but it's from two companies that I'm not ever gonna buy anything from you will never buy anything from Apple probably not what if the iWatch is fantastic but then I'd have to get that whole ecosystem that's how Apple works really yeah really legendary what if the iPhone 6 is fantastic it could be but if you look at the trending every single time that jobs goes away every single it went away once twice well he died yeah really that's twice you're gonna bring up jobs as death I tried to do it likely I tried to do it really lately actually didn't work at all all right so Symantec's VP says antivirus is dead this was posted on the forum by nice hat and along with some very amusing pictures this one's fantastic yeah you guys can't read it it's an anonymous you know a Facebook post my computer is being really slow I forgot it had a virus I'm just gonna shut it down and stop using it until it goes away text me and then it's just the most appropriate use of this guy yeah then I think I have ever seen yeah probably me too that's a really good picture that's fantastic and you know that it would be it would be funnier if if we didn't know people like that oh yeah yeah but I think we all do so what's your take on this is antivirus well okay first of all we should probably so basically what Brian Dye says so this is senior vice senior VP of information securities we don't think of antivirus as a moneymaker anymore and that he points out that hackers are increasingly increasingly using novel bugs as ways to gain control of a system or gain information or whatever else it is that they're trying to do as opposed to straight-up computer viruses and mr. Dye estimates that antivirus now catches just 45% of cyber attacks I mean we've known for quite some time that spyware adware were actually larger issues than traditional viruses but I guess I've just never heard it from someone at a company like Symantec there's another thing though like one I think one of the big problems here is where he actually says it's we don't see it as a moneymaker in any way and I think that stands out more than anything because almost everyone I know in the tech industry not everyone but almost everyone I know in the tech industry is running a combination of antivirus software the same one almost everybody they run Windows stock I don't even remember Windows whatever Windows defender security essentials but yeah we know Microsoft security essentials MSC there we go Microsoft security essentials for passive scanning of viruses because there's a big difference between when it's just running constantly looking for things and when you manually run it huge difference so I see most people that I know are running that for kind of passive scanning and then once every one or once in a while it's a really good idea for a straw pole once every once in a while they will download and run M BAM or malware bytes and then run it for its active scan the manual one remove everything that it catches and then just uninstall it none of that costs any money and the majority of people that I know that even run antivirus is are doing that combo or just MSC Microsoft security essentials not even the M BAM once in a while so I can totally see where they're talking about it not being a moneymaker I'm surprised they're taking the stance they are we're going like with the fake data and all that kind of stuff considering that already exists with honey pots like the I don't see them proposing anything that's really new these are all things that already exist so I find that a little bit interesting and I don't think antivirus is unimportant I think it might be unimportant to certain people yeah for the random average Joe it's probably fine if you just pay attention to what you're searching you don't click on anything super stupid maybe you've been around on the internet for a really long time and you're really good at identifying download now buttons at this point and you can read the URL at the bottom of your browser when you're highlighting buttons to make sure you're not going to some ad and you're actually downloading what you want and stuff like that maybe you're good with that and you kind of either run MSC or nothing and that's fine you're probably okay but at the corporate level I think it still really matters when if someone gets into your network and deletes everything on your server it's catastrophic I've done IT work for some law firms way back in my day I don't do it anymore but it was I thought you still did I do but I'm kind of just like outside support right okay and like if they have a question they'll email me but everything's automated now that I don't I used to go in there all the time because it was more like I was taking over for someone else so I had to do a lot of stuff right and now it's more just like if they have a problem they'll call me in it every once in a while like every few months I'll go in for a while and like make sure everything's good like I'll go in for a whole Saturday right but it's not super common anymore so sorry you were talking about how you were doing yeah so that them huge really big deal they do a thing where I have it where one of their employees that's somewhat tech savvy walks in and plugs in a cable once every week and it does a big backup to a computer plugs in one cable unplugs another cable so it does a big backup to an offline server that's almost always offline so it's it could still get infected because you are plugging into a computer that is normally online right but it's probably not gonna happen to the point where everything's gonna be deleted right or if it is they have two servers and like they're both running different operating systems like there's there's a bunch of layers of security that's a really big deal if they lose everything they're screwed right they also have off-site backups they have like multiple layers of security so that to be able to take them down you'd have to take down an off-site backup that's in the States two things on site like Dropbox style not actually Dropbox but Dropbox style backups like all this kind of stuff it's not gonna happen that's important and then they run antivirus all over the place because it's important because their data is super important right is someone being able to see that I have 800 hours on Morrowind super important probably not right so I think it depends who you are well it looks like actually our our users are pretty pretty pretty safe they practice safe safe internet browsing so 30% of you are using real-time scanning and doing periodic cleanups with three are about 12% of you doing periodic cleanups only about the same number doing real-time scanning only and about 11% of you using no antivirus with the majority of the respondents or at least more than any of the other replies asking me to eat more bananas it was hot unfortunately since a banana isn't a real thing I really can't do that so I well I appreciate the I appreciate the thought though that was great you guys are great okay so Intel's Skylake there have been some leaked documental malay shins this was posted on the forum by QWERTY warrior the original article is from tech power-up and basically it's 100 series it's gonna be coming with DDR4 support it's gonna be 14 nanometer processors and it's going to feature Alpine Ridge Thunderbolt running at 40 gigabit per second and that's fast I'm kind of surprised they're jumping into 100 series I see a lot of companies when they when they get to the top they just reset yeah I don't really mind it's just I'm saying I'm just kind of surprised I mean AMD switched over to an X but then Intel already has X whatever so yeah what you gonna do painted yourselves into that corner didn't you so basically compared to compared to Haswell Haswell refresh and Broadwell to be clear guys Haswell refresh is not a significant change over Haswell it's just like slightly faster SATA Express has been added if you if you take the the heat sink off of a Z 97 board it says Z 87 rev 2 on it like it's not a big deal but Broadwell is gonna be a small generational change or rather rather that'll be a significant generational change in terms of the manufacturing process and then beyond that that's when we're getting a new architecture so that'll be Skylake and that's coming in 2015 I'm actually curious to see when Broadwell is gonna arrive I guess that could be coming very soon then huh I don't know Intel doesn't really tell me anything they just sort of like stuff arrives and I'm like yay cool let's let's like let's like check it out so it's gonna have a whole bunch of really cool stuff so they're gonna have much improved wireless they're gonna have much improved Thunderbolt and they are also going to have hopefully much improved CPUs so this whole roadmap has been leaked I guess that's really all I have to say about that isn't it yeah there's honestly there isn't a ton of information right now yeah so yeah take that and do it 2015 is exciting you know yeah even if it's late 2015 I guess if we got like a very late 2014 Broadwell then a late 2015 Skylake could make sense yeah and that's that's actually pretty in line with some of the estimates we saw on that Thunderbolt 40 gigabit per second article that came out a little while ago how that makes sense yeah so the timing is probably about right now I think we should straw pull this because something that you talked about before the show that had to do with Kotaku the next article you're doing I want to see why people care or maybe Twitter blitz Twitter blitz yeah okay so um there there was a so this was posted on the forum by top wargamer thank you very much for that CEO Bobby Kotick has revealed that Activision is spending 500 million to try and make destiny a hit that's half a billion dollars which is a little less than double the unprecedented over quarter billion dollars that Rockstar paid to get GTA 5 made there I saw quite a few people attacking the article saying that because it's on Kotaku it's therefore completely not credible and completely stupid but I would like to hear from I would like to hear from our users maybe I'll create a straw pull here pretty quick here guys and then is Kotaku because honestly a lot of the stuff I've read on there like no one's right a hundred percent of the time but a lot of the stuff I've read on there has turned out to be perfectly fine I have no idea it's possible that we missed something yeah like that's totally possible like was there a huge controversy like that whole I don't know what was it LA Times Tesla review thing I think it was the LA Times Tesla review Washington Post talking about oculus Washington Post Tesla review well I'm not sure there was someone I think it might have been more than one group actually for Tesla so the New York Times sorry it was New York Times they eventually apologized for that and all that noise so maybe they maybe Kotaku has done some stuff that neither of us is aware of yeah for sure yes no what's okay so I'm gonna go ahead and allow multiple choices if you're gonna have to pick one it's just gonna be skewed now can you imagine if like political elections had multiple choices I would actually be more incentivized to vote me do you actually if I could just say I don't care you should have multiple choices they should have multiple choices you could be like I don't care but these ones like any one of these ones is okay because then you wouldn't have to worry about the vote getting split between and then that would probably help the whole two-party system thing anyways we probably shouldn't talk about politics yeah we probably shouldn't talk about politics I'm sure there's a good reason that we don't allow multiple choice yeah I actually can't think of one maybe it's because like the the real flaw in a multiple choice test for example is that someone can just guess and still get a passing grade whereas on a political on an election ballot there's no right answer so it's inherently flawed multiple choice doesn't address that by giving us a possibility to get it right maybe that's the issue it's called when show not not when's show weekly analysis news and sense I think with analysis people kind of assume there's gonna be some amount of sense they could but they'd be I mean look at they're voting for bananas that's because you didn't put multiple choice on this poll I don't have you put a course I don't have anything on my pole I don't have to put anything on my pole that I don't want to let me make the polls are you making a poll right now maybe no one will know they can't see my screen or was behind my screen this show is the best this show speaking of things that are the best this is fantastic fantastic posted on the forum originally by L3 mo black Moses that makes more sense poster originally on the forum by black Moses the smartest protest ever what we got the smartest protest ever yeah am I in the wrong section right now no no I thought we were in a different thing we're talking about net neutrality yeah but there's a total okay anyways there's two topics about net neutrality I thought you entered that one I thought you're talking about this one yeah that is the one I was talking about where did that go oh that looked at the wrong article that's why I was like what okay this makes more sense okay so back to this okay go okay so what they're doing is well this web host and I think I think there's now a github that has the code for it so other people can implement it all this kind of stuff but what they're doing is they're making it so that different IPs that access their website that are from the FCC are getting incredibly slow traffic so like 28.8 dial-up not even the fastest dial-up that we had no crappy dial-up yeah so like if you try and if the FCC tries to access their website it'll go that slow I think it's kind of cool and it's clever but I don't think it's gonna matter unless like Google does it it's a well it's not gonna matter unless Google does it but it's not really the point the point is I get it and it's cool and it does drive a point and it's very interesting so it's that we've got the Ferengi plan a Ferengi I can never remember I'm not a Star Trek guy the Ferengi plan is a special FCC only internet plan that costs a thousand dollars per year and removes the 28.8 kilobit per second modem throttle to the FCC we will happily take credit cards Bitcoin Dogecoin and dogecoin from crooked FCC executives that probably have plenty of money from bribes on our donations page sorry we don't accept lading them yet so though they obviously the whole thing is just purely a joke but the point is that net neutrality is important because it will prevent situations where an ISP can hold your internet connection or your the speed with which you can connect to certain services ransom unless you're willing to pay them more money for it and the problem with with them holding let's say let's say I'm I'm Luke's internet service provider and I go you know what Luke I probably don't like you you are Canada you all suck well whatever man you're stuck here what are you gonna do leave leave Canada Canada's great for all kinds of other reasons you can deal with crappy internet okay so look dude you play a lot of games you watch a lot of twitch streams twitch streams man they use a lot of bandwidth that means we got to go buy like switches and crap and like you know those switches are really expensive look don't worry about that those switches are really expensive so we need you to give us some money to you know justify another football stadium because you're because you're a heavy user okay you're putting more of a load on your fat you're putting more of a load on our system that's a fat joke then the other users okay so the problem is that then mr. ISP gets to extract a bunch of money from him because you go okay look if you want to access twitch fast we can give you like a fast lane for that because otherwise in the background I could be slowing down his twitch stream and we see this all the time you can go do a speed test tomorrow and it'll have like a great speed and then you go and try to load a YouTube video or watch a movie on Netflix and you've got this degraded internet experience so I'm so I'm telling mr. user I'm like look okay yeah you want fast twitch yeah sure no problem man just give us a couple more bucks and then I'm gonna turn around and I'm gonna tell twitch hey you guys are putting a bunch of load on our network with all of our users downloading your streams you got to give us money to and so all of a sudden we create the situation where the ISPs can double dip and just take additional money to build infrastructure that they should have built in the first place they got paid to build in the first place if you're in the States and to which they don't need there's so baller when it when it's at the point where like the only people that are buying these stupid investments which is putting your name in front of a sports stadium they're all ISPs or like cell providers are you kidding me it's because they're just rolling in money it's super dumb they don't need any more money anyways I do like the protest though I think it's pretty I think it's fantastic I think it really makes a point to people who maybe just don't care enough maybe they just don't care enough to look into it like I mean you know what let's all be honest with ourselves do you do a hundred percent the best job you possibly can at work every day do you do 100% of the due diligence maybe a few of you do some of you probably don't I'm not asking you the point I'm not even creating a poll for this I'm just I'm just asking you guys to ask yourselves you know do you do whether your job is to dig ditches or to cook food or to serve food or to make internet videos or to drive a truck or whatever your job is there's thousands and thousands of jobs do you do it the best every day maybe not so maybe maybe what we're what we just need to do is we need to wake up someone who's been asleep at the wheel a little bit and go hey can you create some havoc internally over there and get some attention around this and this is the kind of protest that does more than just create noise because emails are easy to ignore Facebook polls or protests or whatever because it's just stupid it does not relevant whereas when someone goes to access the internet and it's slow and they go oh why is it slow you're starting the the the inquisitive process I was gonna say inquisition that's not right you're starting the inquisitive process you're getting them wondering what's going on and once they understand what's going on hey well someone's slowing down my internet why are they doing that my internet should be fast right and then we can hope that the light bulb turns on so I really I thought this was a really effective way to get that point across and I hope it works yeah no it is really cool actually um no I wasn't even aware of this this is interesting there's apparently some new graphics card coming power color oh yeah as a new devil 13 this one has no post by brown and just so I'm sure it'll be in the post somewhere but it has like the nemo fin thing where the fan has the little fins in there is this that one let's go see yeah see the little tiny fins on the inside it also has four eight pin power connections for it you'll see if you keep on going out there's the yeah I knew it'd be in here somewhere there boom look at that it's just a monstrous card so they ditched the whole AIO idea air-cooled yeah air-cooled rather Wow for a triple slot for eight pins what the heck the thing is ridiculous only three of those four are required so if you want a little bit of extra overclocking headroom you can plug in the fourth and wow look at the back plate I like it it's actually pretty cool yeah looks badass yep double 13 huh someone in the comments somewhere on here I don't remember where it was was like so one eight pin for the GPU and then one for each fan camera exactly how he said it but it was awesome then nemo fans when you got little fins like that you get a like we're harder it takes a full eight pin for each one of those fans guys yeah get it right geez yeah that's kind of awesome should we get jump into bill logs um yeah sure I think that's pretty much it I think I'm I'm pretty much done for the week so here we go here's something really special after bill logs guys so do we yeah we do do I know about it I told you before the show that doesn't mean I know so the first one is do I have office on here I hope so I hope so too it's fine well I have some kind of office oh I want to try it for a limited time oh it looks fine though I think wow all the tabs no one can see what's going on everyone hey guys sorry where do we go it's here I'm tired there we go well it looks okay either way every single time we do the bill logs every single bill blog I talked about I'm like you should probably just go check it out the forum so you can see everything so do that again check out these guys full bill blogs where they have tons of pictures you can see everything about it you can go to the voting thread and see everyone who submitted there's some guys that submitted that had really nice builds the thing with having bill blogs per the week is there isn't enough and the thing with having bill logs per the month is there's a lot of really awesome ones they don't all get through so be sure to check out the voting thread because wow you can see everything this build is super clean the hard tubing really really popular thing lately and I'm okay with that that looks fantastic yeah very cool absolutely beautiful but I well well this one is really nice and very clean I personally appreciate the next one a little bit more you know I haven't seen many great builds in the 900 D now that I think about it it's like yeah it's big and it's like liquid cooling optimized but it almost seems like Corsair took the challenge out of it a little bit for people by making it too easy to do a great build in so I think a lot of people were turned off by that that's just my perception it's also extremely big and really heavy yeah but this one this one's bad oh sorry sorry sorry so this one is portal cube by gel yeah look at that that's fantastic it looks better if you see it not on the stream and not like converted got in like 16 color mode yeah so there's there's a power supply on the bottom there's ITX there and then you can go ahead and check out all of the different photos of it so we should probably post a link to the build blog section I'm just gonna track that down or if you want I can go grab that if you jump on the next one on your screen I'll post the thing in the chat sure we've got an honorable mention here guys project affinity do you remember now nope this is the computer that people I believe built and distributed to linois oh cool yeah so a bunch of people on the forum I think it's a main mainly people from the unofficial team speak yeah all got together built this computer got him a whole bunch of games this is a list of games that he got Wow that's more games than I own no well more games than I play yes that is true and like nice ones do battlefield force our citizen stars isn't like big not just like oh we bought a humble indie bundle like this oh my god they got him secret of the magic crystals that's a game about ponies well yeah it is linois so over ten community members contributed and this is just a really cool a really cool example of the community coming together and supporting each other I mean if you guys aren't already members of the linus tech tips comm forum you probably should be I mean this is just a small subset of like the super cool guys and gals that make up the community here so you know we we appreciate everyone just being part of it and we think it's really really awesome so I think that's probably all I have to say about that yeah what's up with this stuff I'm not gonna do these today oh I this is a company cogito that they they asked if I wanted to review the cogito pop and or the cogito classic these are some smartwatches that I think actually are pretty unique in that particularly the pop tries to make the smart watchness lately by design it's not that smart so instead of having a screen it's it's just an analog watch instead of having a screen that's like blah blah blah read your text messages reply to your text messages talking to your wrist it just flashes hey that notification you got was text or it was an email or it was an instant messaging thing and it just tells you sort of what kind of notification it was and then the classic has an analog face and then it actually does go into a little bit more detail in terms of what types of messages you got so it gives you battery indication and then you can read your messages on it as well and it actually looks quite nice so I was like okay well I can't promise a review because I've never heard of you before and I don't know if it's any good but you know if it's fantastic I'll do a review and what I'll definitely do is try out the products and I'll talk about them on the WAN show so that's gonna be coming sometime in the next week or two all right I think that's about it so okay so thank you again to our sponsors Dollar Shave Club join the club visit dollarshaveclub.com slash Linus it's under 10 bucks even for their best options it's available in the US Canada and in Australia so go ahead and do check that out and Asus for wow really one of these days you know what when the sponsorship is over and I don't need that notebook for you to use it anymore maybe I'll just break it no I think a Jay-Z actually I don't think anything negative about Jay-Z I'm sure he's a perfectly nice gentleman I mean this picture is he seems very friendly yeah he looks really friendly in that picture I don't know why anyone would be scared I wouldn't be no not threatening at all I think we're done here you