 And we're live guys, so we're a little bit sort of disheveled or disorganized or whatever you're used to seeing this. Is this your grape juice? No. Okay, don't bother doing anything with that light because I think the lighting's fine. No, it's okay. No, they can't see it. So we have a very special show tonight. We got back from CES, was it a week ago already? Yeah, yeah. Okay, well I spent the next two days throwing up and in bed and everyone gets sick at CES. It's a whole lot of like sort of breathing on each other and like handshaking and... People from just absolutely everywhere. Yeah, people from absolutely everywhere. So exposed to stuff that your body's not used to. That your body hates you for basically. So Slick's gonna check the Twitch chat and make sure nothing's wrong. We have a particularly ghetto camera set up tonight, which is awesome. We had a pretty exciting day filming NCIX Tech Tips today. In case you guys are wondering why we're always like super tired and none of our equipment is set up, it's because on Fridays we actually film NCIX Tech Tips all day. So all of our... Audio problems, audio problems. What? We just tested it. Popping. Popping. So audio popping, which is my favorite thing ever, has to do with something about... Even though the program did not update at all and did not change at all. Or something to do with our cameras, which did not change at all and are exactly the same popping that we've been seeing. Yep, so basically we have no idea. No idea at all. We don't know what causes it. We don't know what fixes it because when I sat down with both cameras, FS700, XA10, I sat down and I tried every freaking scenario I could come up with and every different cable I could swap and both cameras and everything that I could do. I couldn't replicate the issue for the life of me this one time. And then this other time it happened and I tried to upload a video of a Mionix NEOS 8200 three times, all three of which... Now I'm getting a call from Diesel of all people. Yes sir. No. We know there's popping. I'm talking about it right now. Yeah. I have no idea what we can do about it to be perfectly honest. We don't have that. Oh you mean the snowball. The snow... Okay, okay, yeah maybe we'll try the snowball and we'll try just turning off the audio on the camera itself. Is it still popping? Oh, okay. Okay, well if it seemed fine then okay, I gotta go. I'm sort of live. Okay. Bye guys. It's all Diesel's fault. He's actually admitted that it's his fault right here on the phone with me. He's explaining that he broke it. So thank you. Thank you for explaining that. Thank you. Bye. So the NEOS 8200. I've had people posting, Mionix are you trolling us? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You've uploaded this three times. Yeah I've uploaded it three times. You know what? I've also fixed the AV sync three times and it seems to be something that is magically fine in my video editing program and then he says it's fine now and if they're saying it's fine now then I guess it's fine now. We might as well get going. So if it's something that's magically fixed when I fix it and then I upload it and YouTube breaks it, there's not a whole lot of anything that I can do about that. The issue, I would be afraid to even, okay yeah he's not plugging it in. Honestly I don't even know what's causing the issue because like I said I cannot reproduce the error and all this equipment sort of is fine and good as long as it wants to love you and wants to work but a lot of the times it does not. Want to talk about what happened with the forum today? I'll let Slick handle that one while I go adjust the camera to make it level. Okay so I was off benchmarking a 8800 GT versus a 660 Ti just on like a fairly legacy plot form just to show how much of a performance increase you would get from swapping out just a card instead of like improving your entire build. Anyways Diesel and Linus are off filming. Linus goes to toss a flash drive to Diesel but Diesel has no idea it's coming. So Diesel tries to freak out and grab it real quick but misses. It deflects off Diesel's hand, flies into the open server. It would be hilarious if Mr. Wizard's watching because I haven't explained this to him yet. It flies into the open server and hits the SSD that's just like sitting in the bottom. When it hits the SSD it unplugs the SATA data cable and the whole server is just like freaks out. I have no idea that it unplugged. So I'm sitting there talking to Mr. Wizard. Mr. Wizard's like oh drive failures, there's drive failures, what's going on, what's going on? I can't control the server, I can't shut it down, I can't do anything. So I start freaking out, I shut it down, start messing with it, go into BIOS all this kind of stuff, it's not detecting the SSD, I have no idea why. I have no idea what happened. Linus leaves because he has to go do some stuff and Diesel just gets to witness me absolutely freaking out as my server is down. Eventually I figured out that the SSD was unplugged and it was because of the flash drive that Linus threw in there. In my defense it was a pretty good throw. That's impressive. To have it go from across the entire room and hit a cable on a drive and actually dislodge it is quite impressive. And that and the cable on the drive was legit plugged into it and then the drive itself is bolted to the bottom of the case. So I can't even, it's probably a one in a million shot. Oh yeah, it's kind of miraculous. You could throw that USB cable and the thing too though is that the way the drive was oriented was the drive was oriented this way. This is the back of the drive and then the USB thumb drive came in at this angle. So to hit it from the back and unplug it. It must have bounced off of something and then came back out or something. I don't even know. I don't even know. It's just absolutely miraculous. One in a freaking million for sure. Is our YouTube video up and out soon in the live stream? Yep, should be up. Alright, did you put the link under the video and everything? Yeah. Wow. I'm going to type slash new on it so they'll get the new UI. By the way guys, if you're watching on Twitch TV, which is the only way you could be watching, type slash new at the end of your URL bar and it will give you the cool new Twitch UI. I like it a lot. You should check it out. Oh, they want to know what happened to my parents. Zeke's on the trip. I just saw that in the Twitch chat. What happened was I got, why did I, why did that? Okay well I sat on them. I sat on them on the plane and I was super disappointed about the results because shoot, you know what, I don't feel like going and getting them right now. But basically the ear cups are supposed to rotate 90 degrees one way and then stop the other way so that when you put them around your neck they don't just flop all over the place and could be sort of anywhere so that they stay kind of, look like headphones around your neck and when you go to pick them up and put them on your ears they're not just sort of oriented funny. So I sat on them and actually forced one of the ear cups 90 degrees the other direction. So one of them is correct and one of them goes all the way around 180 degrees. And so I, you know, with all the things that go wrong around here, it's a miracle we release any videos at all. I was going to say, today's live stream, how Linus breaks things. Hold on. It was something else wasn't it? I didn't break the audio and I didn't break that Nios video. Although maybe I didn't fix it properly. Whatever. I just, I took off the third attempt. It's not there and I'm leaving the one that was not as bad as the first one but there's nothing I can do about the audio popping in that video. We can't re-film an unboxing unfortunately because an unboxing is an unboxing. It inherently only has one chance of being good. Yeah. It's the nature of the beast a little bit and I'm sorry there's really just nothing we can do about that. I do have something exciting to announce in 15 minutes but I guess I can kind of wait for that. 15 minutes? Oh yeah, I don't know if you even know about this. I guess you can't tell me right now. No I can tell. Oh wait, no I can't. Right, because they're there. We could just have some more audio issues and they could just not be there anymore. No, that's fine. I'm okay with waiting 15 minutes. Okay, well here, how about this. I'll put you on the spot. What was your highlight of CES? My highlight of CES? Probably the Swift Tech. Really? Well that was really cool to meet Gabriel and Sean. Okay. That was pretty damn cool. Pretend you're talking to them and not to me because I know exactly what happened but they don't. Like the whole story? Yeah, that's the point of a talk show. So we have no time because we're kind of insane and we pulled ridiculous hours there. It starts with Project Shield basically because we were there the previous day. Well tell that part. Okay, okay. I'll tell that part then. Okay, so it starts with Project Shield. I don't know if you guys noticed but our Project Shield coverage went up three, four days after everyone else's. So the reason for that was that we didn't know about Project Shield because we didn't, well I mean we knew about it but we didn't know about when they were doing press briefings or if they were doing press briefings or any of the other stuff. Diesel wants to be a mod in chat. So when and if they were doing press briefings. So we were on the list kind of late. So we showed up sort of a couple days afterwards because we weren't at the show for the first day and we were like okay so can we get in? Can you squeeze us in? And the guys at Nvidia were like yeah, yeah. Like we really want to get you in. Hang around for like 20 minutes and we'll get you in. So we were like okay, we only have 20 minutes because we have to be on a bus in 30 minutes and it's 10 minutes away. So that's like cutting it really close. We're going to be late for the bus. So we waited 20 minutes and then as we were walking away we had to go. We had a bus that was taking us to an event that we had to be there for. If we didn't catch the bus we'd have to wait in the cab line which is what 45 minutes? Yeah, yeah. Easily, maybe an hour. So like we weren't going to make it to the event if we didn't get the shuttle. So we got the call from them five minutes after we left saying oh we're ready for you and I was like crap we can't come. We were not planning to go to the show the following day because we had meetings booked and like suite tours booked all over the Vegas Strip like nowhere near the convention center for that day. So we're like crap this was our chance to get to Project Shield. We missed it. So we get to the bus and someone else is late by like 30 minutes. So we're sitting there on the bus looking at our watches. We don't wear watches but figuratively looking at our watches going holy crap whoever that last person is like might get just decked because. The worst part is they keep on making the bus driver move because he was taking up too much space. So we just get this like repeated like oh we're so close to Shield and then back away. Oh we can just go in and film it and then back away. And we didn't know like how long the bus was going to wait. We kept asking they kept telling us oh soon soon soon. So we're like okay okay we'll wait we'll wait. So yeah that backfired. So we had to go back the next day which means we had to reschedule some stuff. We missed NZXT and I was really super depressed about that and the way that I had made it because it takes a really long time to get to and from the convention centre because of the cab lineups. I mean we could hire a limo to do it I guess but yeah no big deal $100 each exactly. So I was like okay I'll send Slick to the Swift Tech Suite to just kind of you know talk to them and I'll take Diesel and we'll go film Shield. So Slick didn't even get to see Shield which by the way totally sucks because Shield's awesome. Oh did I mention it's freaking awesome? I watched the video. Diesel got to just sit and play with it for like 10 minutes. No I know. Yeah I know. It's awesome. I'm still happy I went to Swift Tech. Did I mention you can run Android games? Yes I know. And you can also stream games from the PC. Project Shield's cool. And for those of you who don't think Project Shield's cool you're wrong and you're going to find out you're wrong in a year or 18 months or however long it takes for everyone to kind of figure out how freaking awesome this is and start buying them and start using them. So there you go. You can quote me on that. So Project Shield blah blah blah. So I rescheduled Swift Tech. I was like we can't make it. So I get this call from Slick. Okay well you have to go log in to Twitch. I can't make him a log. Make sure you pause the video so they don't all get hammered by audio. Okay so bouncing back a little bit this is before the call he got. I show up and walk in kind of like knock on the door. The door's open. Everybody's sitting there. Gabe Rushon, CEO of a company in Germany like a bunch of big guys sitting around on the couches. I walk in and they're like hi. I'm like oh hey I'm a part of the Linus Tech Tips team. Just kind of here on behalf of them. Just trying to see your demo. And Gabe Rushon's like oh Linus isn't here. I'm like no. For context Gabe and I go back about four, four and a half years so it's kind of a jerk move that I wasn't there. But it was that or Shield. Come on guys. Basically I eventually convinced him to give me the demo and the demo was awesome as you guys hopefully saw the videos. There's a little bit of confusion about like a hand that came in and stuff but no it was all fair play. It was very cool. But I saw the demo I saw that you could take it apart. Like I had heard they were releasing one but I hadn't heard anything about it until I got there. So he showed me the hands on demo with the actual device and then the demo with all the computers set up. Then I called Linus and was like you have to be here because we have to film this because this is awesome. So he somehow scrambles all the way over there. I'm still not entirely sure how. And then shows up instantly starts filming. I leave because they have to film. I go wait in the taxi line up and then when he's done filming he runs down gets in the taxi line up instead of me gets in a cab. I sprint back upstairs grab all the stuff with Diesel and Diesel and I run to the TTE sports booth while you meet with Intel or something. Yeah. And then eventually we meet back up. Like missing that meeting was not an option. No. And oh I actually I guess I never told you this. So the way I got to the convention center so quickly was instead of sort of going to one place and then waiting for something and going to another place I just hijacked the ride that we had from Cool Master. So I was like can you take us to the convention center after dropping one of our guys off there and he's just like I guess so. And meanwhile like we're halfway to the convention center after dropping you off and he's like getting calls for like other places he needs to be and I'm just like I'm sitting in the bathroom just like do do do do do. Thank you. But that made all the difference because that probably saved us half an hour right there which was all that. I was. We didn't have that much anyway time. Like did not. I was in the Swift tech suite like physically there for probably like 25 minutes. That was it. So the first part I got briefed on the cooler itself and then we filmed sort of together and then I was just like OK we're running out of time. Gabe why don't you give the demo in real time and we'll just like we'll do it together on this part. Oh my goodness. Gabe and Sean is a really good guy. He was really cool to meet. So no one asked but my highlight of the show is going to actually be Project Shield. I didn't get to see it. I know that it's kind of an obvious one but there's a lot of things that I like about this general concept. I mean I like I have a DS somewhere. It doesn't work anymore but I used it when I used my DS and this might sound crazy to some of you folks. I actually used it at home a fair bit. Like yeah I used it out and about but I actually used it at home as well because there's sort of a different set of games and it's a different set of controls. The ergonomics of playing games on a handheld console versus playing games on what time is it? OK eight more minutes till the big announcement versus playing games on the stupid phone. I mean like there are other solutions like there's the SteelSeries Free which is a little controller but like it's small especially for you. And where do you put the phone? Like here what you just find like a friend and just be like yeah can you just we're on the bus right. I've got my Bluetooth thing so like yeah can you just sit there like that and hold that for me. Like it's not feasible. There's something to be said for having them pre-attached like that and I've seen he's asking to mod him again. Did you not mod him? You have to log in. Oh I haven't logged in yet. Oh right OK I haven't logged in yet. I will soon. I will soon Diesel. What was I saying? Right right right. So there's something to be said for having it attached. Now I've had some people say that you should just be able to take your Tegra 4 phone and put it in there whatever else. But there's something to be said for a highly integrated experience with purpose made hardware. That's why a PlayStation 3 is able to run games better than a similar generation PC. That's why they look better on the PlayStation 3. Purpose built hardware will all work together and they want you to have an experience that's consistent regardless of what you're doing. So I think there's something to be said for the form factor the ergonomics are awesome. The fit and finish of the units that people saw it's like some of the problems that they're complaining about where they're not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. My understanding is Nvidia didn't even intend to show Project Shield hands on. They decided at the last minute oh well everyone's demanding this so. OK then. OK then. What was with that bracket? I didn't really get that entirely. They just slapped a bracket on it just so it would work at CES. That's awesome. The bracket is custom made so that the cables like normally you wouldn't run it with a bunch of friggin cables running out of it so that the cables won't just like break off the connectors which are fragile on the pre-release consoles. So epic. I mean the thing that's even more exciting about all of this I guess is just the idea of Nvidia a company that really properly caters to gamers. We're not talking about Sony or Microsoft where what they really want you to do is rent movies through your stupid gaming console. We're talking a company that actually is games, games, games, games, games getting into the console race. That's what's happening here. I mean through Tegra Zone they're encouraging Android game developers to optimize for Tegra which is basically GeForce. With Tegra4 we're going to get a ton more power with dedicated hardware that goes along with Tegra4 and this console gaming experience. We're going to get well a physical console to go with it and I'm extremely excited about what the future is going to be like. I mean I think now is a good time to buy Nvidia stock and you know all the usual blah blah blah. I have no Nvidia stock and I'm not intending to take a position. I had Nvidia stock at one point. I made a few bucks and then I don't have any stocks right now so there you go. Don't take stock advice from me. I'm not a hardcore investor but find something to talk about. Oh talk about what we filmed today and I'll go log into Twitch. We filmed today? Yeah we filmed a bunch of stuff today didn't we? Like weekly. Oh talk about the upgrade thing. That's a cool topic. Okay, okay. Yeah. So as I said earlier when he threw a flash drive in and shut down my server, the video that I was working on prepping is a legacy system DDR2 kind of platform, 775? Yeah the X6800 dual core. X6800 dual core socket 775 machine. This one. This machine with an 8800 DT as you can see right there. I benched that running Dirt3, Far Cry 3 and Crysis 2 and then I benched that exact same thing minus the graphics card but with a 660 Ti on it and compared results. It was pretty interesting. I kind of expected more but then I guess that's because it hit pretty hard bottlenecks but still I kind of expected a little bit more. In Far Cry 3 we saw about a 15 frames per second increase in, oh I'm going to forget all these numbers. In Dirt and Crysis it was a little bit lower because those are both a little bit more CPU bound. In Dirt I think it was about 8 or 9 FPS higher and then in Crysis 2 I think it was around 10. I think that's about where it was. So that's kind of interesting. We're going to do a follow up video with that about upgrading everything else other than your graphics card. Are we doing everything other than your graphics card? I think we're going to do like CPU upgrade. I mean I guess the… You kind of need to upgrade your platform then. Yeah pretty much. I mean I guess the conversation here is should you upgrade piecemeal or should you not? I mean what would you recommend at this point? Probably a bucket upgrade. Basically the idea is upgrading just your graphics card or upgrading your whole system. So as we saw today like I said I expected a little bit more from just your graphics card so I'd probably just recommend upgrading your entire system. That's pretty much just how it goes. You kind of…I see a lot of people that are like oh I make this much a month that I can spend and I want to build a computer over the next 8 months so I'm going to buy a part every month and then just slowly piece together my computer. That's not usually the best way to go about it because by the time you get to your last bit of parts all your first stuff is kind of outdated and not that great anymore. So what is probably a better idea is just saving up for that X amount of months and then buying it all kind of at once or buying it all within the same month so you can hit multiple sales. Something like that. AMD guys stealing from Nvidia. Oh my goodness. In our Netlinked Weekly we covered a topic about AMD employees of AMD taking 100,000 documents, putting them on like flash drives and external hard drives is apparently what they're saying and then quitting, joining Nvidia and serving all those documents to Nvidia. So that's 100,000 like confidential documents and this isn't like patent stuff, this isn't like release stuff, this is confidential AMD documents. So not entirely sure what's in them but I'm assuming like new technologies that AMD is working on etc etc. So that's not cool. Like not cool at all. This isn't like where Google sues someone because they used round edges. Not cool. You could totally screw over a company not cool. What are your thoughts on it? I think that it is absolutely insane to do that. Not only is it wrong but it's just like it opens them up to personal liability in a huge huge way. One interesting thing that I read was that Nvidia was in the know about this as it was happening. Apparently. Allegedly. Allegedly. So we're not exactly sure about that yet but that could bode well, could not bode well for Nvidia if that's true. And like is it really worth doing that? That's one thing I find with the employees like you're stealing all this stuff from an employer that employed you for a really long time and going to another employer. That new employer is probably not going to trust you that much in general because you just stole so much stuff from your ex-employer so why should they believe that you're not going to do that to them. And if anyone ever hears about it like they did you're pretty much screwed because that's all on you. That's also on Nvidia if Nvidia knew about it. We're not entirely sure about that yet but I don't know. Totally not worth it. The forum if you guys have noticed over the last kind of day or two there's been a couple kind of sketchy down times. Last night was a beta upgrade to beta 25. Okay hold that thought. Yay! A collaborative video with the one and only Unbox Therapy. So it is 9.30 so hopefully Lou is releasing his video over there and apparently my wireless keyboard and mouse isn't even working so I just want to show you guys. I want to show you guys. I want to show you guys where the forward slash is on this stupid keyboard. It's right there. You know what calm down. We're just going to search for it. It's like literally right there. I think that you're being a negative Nancy. You shut down my server. Alright so guys if you are not already familiar with Unbox Therapy this is the channel of my fellow Canadian Lou Hiltesentager or whatever however you spell his last name. Hilsentager, Hilsentager, whatever. He's a good guy, nice guy, does unboxings. Here's his Nvidia Project Shield video which actually has fewer views than mine so good try Lou. Nah I'm just trolling him. Like I said good guy, Unbox Therapy. We got together and we wanted to bring you guys a special Christmas collaborative video. It's a little bit past Christmas. Yeah life's been pretty busy for both of us actually. We were both at CES so he was at CES, I was at CES. We didn't even manage to meet up at CES. That's how busy we've been even though we were supposed to be doing a collaborative video. So this right here is the prize pack. We are giving it away together so Lou has contributed to us obtaining these prizes equally to me so it is very much a joint effort. I want you guys to make sure you're subscribed to both Linus Tech Tips and Unbox Therapy and need you to leave a comment under both the video on the Linus Tech Tips channel and the video on the Unbox Therapy channel for your chance to win a QCK Plus limited edition MLG officially licensed mouse pad. The packaging got a little bit busted but I assure you the actual mouse pad that's in there is new. A SteelSeries Sensei, what is this? This is like the Sensei Pro one. This is the MLG sponsored version. Oh right so what is so good about a Sensei is a question that you might have if you don't know anything about gaming peripherals because the Sensei is friggin' awesome. Very very accurate. SteelSeries software is excellent. I definitely endorse this mouse and what I like about the Pro MLG version one here is that it has a soft touch feel versus, did you know that? Soft touch instead of the... It's a billion times better. Yeah I believe it's soft touch. That is awesome. Soft touch on the sides I think. Looks like it, looks like it. That's perfect. So it's a little bit nicer to use than the non-MLG version which is just kind of like plastic. And I don't like it as much as I like the previous generation's eye. SteelSeries 7H, so I think you can probably imagine which one between me and Lou came up with the idea of having a SteelSeries 7H as an ultimate gaming peripheral prize pack. I love the 7H. This is the analog version, not the USB version at least that's what I asked for. It should be, yeah, analog version. Which is my favorite gaming headset because it actually sounds good in things other than games. You can watch movies, you can listen to music, it is a very good headset. The only issue with it is be careful with the little connector down here. You don't want to like throw them off and have that connector come flying out. It can be a little bit fragile but as long as you've got a good audio source you're going to love that. And finally a Corsair Vengeance K90 blue backlit full mechanical, not quite full mechanical, sorry. Mechanical gaming keyboard. Remember that top row is not mechanical, that's why I made that mistake there. So Vengeance K90 completes your ultimate gaming prize pack. So again, subscribe to Linus Tech Tips, subscribe to Unbox Therapy, comment under the videos on both of our channels announcing the contest and we will announce the winners. We haven't discussed that. So we will announce the winners. No time frame was given. TBD. Yeah, to be determined. So love to hear your feedback on sort of giveaways and collaborations like this. This is actually my first time collaborating with another channel on a giveaway and like with a video that I actually upload to the channel and stuff like that. So what do you think? Good idea? Bad idea? It's cool because whoever wins gets a full set of awesome gaming peripherals. Okay. So that is the most neutral observation about anything that I've ever heard ever. I don't know, we've never done a collab before. I think it could be cool. I think the video is funny enough. You know what? We haven't taken any of your tweets yet tonight so I'm going to go ahead and find the keyword which is hiding behind slicks monstrous form and let's go ahead and let's take some tweets. Switching to LeTwitter and switching to LeConnect and stopping with the Frongley now. You have been updating your rig. Yes, okay. You know what? Slick actually brought this up to me today. I told them. I was like you don't have your rig up yet but DTL has finished Orca. Yes, Orca is good. And Orca is better than my machine but I have a baby so bam. You didn't have a baby before. Well I was preparing to have a baby. Hey I had to run over the nursery. That took time. Right. I did things. That's hilarious. No Ricky, you do not need to do that. Alright thank you Derek. Thank you for enjoying our CES coverage. We worked extremely hard. I really hope that came through to you guys. How many hours did we sleep per night? 3-4 max. Yeah, 3-4 max. I think Diesel probably slept less than anyone. That guy is a party animal. He is a machine. I have no idea how he did it because guys he was out there with us all day filming, carrying crap around and filming crap. Well filming good things, not carrying crap around. Carrying around expensive cameras that are extremely heavy. So there was that and then we'd have meetings and then we'd have parties we had to go to to mingle and schmooze and then we'd get back and I think he'd sometimes sleep for like an hour. An hour or two and then you'd get back up and start editing and then sleep for an hour and then start. Get back up and start it all over. Amazing, amazing. The guy is a tank. So that was really fun. Yeah, sort of. Any news about Nvidia's GTX 700 series? You know what guys, I can't comment on unreleased hardware because I signed these things called NDA's, non-disclosure agreements. So I get the privilege of being able to see the hardware and use it before it's released but that comes with the responsibility of not talking about it until it's actually released. So yeah. I just wanted to say you guys are great. Thank you. I think Rockat has something inbound on the Ryos MK Pro thing. Okay. Wow. Nobody is commenting on anything about the giveaway so why don't we go ahead and see if any of these 71 interactions are about the giveaway. They are not. Hi from the UK, hi back to the UK. Get Diesel on Skype. We actually were thinking about adding Diesel on Skype but we ended up, when we got back here I had to follow up on some emails very, very urgently. Slick had to fix the forum. Have you even talked about all the posts that were gone and you had to fix? No. Okay. I'm not going to completely cover that yet. I'm not entirely sure if it's working. Okay then. So Slick had to work on the forum. That thing that he broke. So we actually were going to try and get Diesel on the live stream tonight but it didn't happen. If nothing else guys, he's in the Twitch chat. So join the Twitch chat. He's there. He's one of the moderators. Diesel the intern in the Twitch chat. Diesel the intern in Twitch. You can tell because he's a mod. So that's the right one. Would you suggest using a backplate for a graphics card without a water block? Yeah, it provides a little support. It looks nice. It adds a little bit of cooling. It does absolutely nothing for the actual frames per second you're getting so as long as you understand what you're getting and what you're not getting, go for it. They look great. That's usually my reason for it. Yeah, they look really good. They feature, wow, hey apparently they featured our CES video of the Ares 2. I didn't even know that. I think they did for Raider as well. Oh, because I know Corsair has our 900D video. That's awesome. You know what? That was kind of funny. We got there to the suite to see the Ares 2 and the Raider and some of the other cool stuff. At the end of filming the video about Ares 2, I was like, can we take it out? And JJ was like, you know, no one else has asked. I don't, well, here. Yeah, sure. We got nothing else right now. I guess you guys will have exclusive glamour shots of what the card actually looks like out of the case because that was the first place they were showing Ares 2 at all. He was like, yeah, I guess it just didn't occur to anyone else to ask because they had it in this machine that was built. It was running and it was streaming footage. Yeah, and I was just like, well, not to be totally unreasonable, but we'd love to use our fancy pants camera to take some awesome glamour shots. I actually tweeted a picture of Diesel working on those glam shots. We were using the light from the window coming in from Vegas and we were getting some really eye... I mean, I hope you guys appreciate it, particularly on Ares 2, Project Shield. Those are probably the two where Diesel spent the most time really sort of, what's the word, obsessing. Maybe I was on the right word. He's watching this, right? Remember the little details of the footage that we were getting in the close up. I hope you guys appreciated that. Does Shield work with Mac? Who cares? What do you think about 680 for the Win Plus? I think that it's a 680. I think that it's overclocked. I think the plus means it has a backplate and I think that it has four gigs of RAM. I get asked this all the time. What do you think about this particular skew of graphics card? I think it's a graphics card. I think that everything you need to know about it can be extrapolated from the information and the manufacturer specifications. The overclock tells you how much faster it is than a regular one and then everything else, particularly EVGA. I love EVGA because just by reading the name of the card, I know exactly what it looks like. I know if it has custom cooling. I know if it has a backplate. It's just kind of awesome. I think that it's a great card. I think that you'll be very happy with the frame rates you'll get and I think that four gigs of RAM is mostly optimized for multiple monitors or high-res monitors. Don't worry too much about it if you're running at 1080p. Just get a two gig version. How safe is it to overclock a 660 Ti with GPU tweak? Safe? If you start seeing artifacts, just back it on back down and don't go too crazy on the voltage. I know that Nvidia GPUs, you can't really. You can't really. Yeah, Project Greenlight. I've heard a long time ago, but basically it doesn't allow ASUS to allow you to set the voltages so high that it's just going to brick the card. So be confident. Shoot, my friend was talking to me when you mentioned the giveaway. Chris, go watch the video that I actually just uploaded on the YouTube channel. How many times can we comment for giveaway? If you comment a bunch of times, I can tell you right now that you're not going to be disqualified necessarily, but if you win, we might sort of go back and see how many times you commented and make sure that you weren't just being a butt head about it. So there you go. Have you heard about the Joker 7870? No? Apparently performs near better than the 7950. This is the case sometimes where you have lower end GPUs that have a custom PCB and they're overclocked balls to the walls to be competitive with a higher end GPU. But something that I always want to remind people is that that higher end GPU has overclocking headroom too. Like with the 660Ti Power Edition before they green lighted it. You could pretty much tie a 680. When they were both overclocked, now a 670 can overclock better than the 660Ti. So yeah, something to talk about. Linus, why didn't you talk about meeting Paul from Newegg? You know what, I met probably, I think I gave out around 400 business cards, which means I probably met around 400 people. Although Paul was one of the highlights, I actually ran into them at the Kingston Gigabyte Intel party. They were just kind of there and I walked up and I think I probably made some comments about how I love and respect the work that they do and how the quality of their content just really is a blessing on the entire internet. Does that sound like something I would say to them? No, it doesn't sound like you at all. No, I think it was something along the lines of how far they are behind me and how they'll never catch up. I respect them not at all. Just horrible, horrible things. Yeah, it was really good though. It was a total pleasure to meet them. I mean it's all good fun, I'm just teasing them. I know they take shots at me from time to time as well. Awesome, awesome guys. I'd say the thing that struck me most about Paul was the fact that when you talk to him in person and just kind of sat and shot the breeze with them about hardware, he sounds exactly the same as he does when he does a video. He's a very genuine, genuine YouTube personality. Whereas some people are actually not tech guys, they are actors who act about tech, which sounds stupid, but it's not the same thing at all as people who are actually genuinely excited about the technology. I met Paul at the Razor booth in the most random possible way ever. Did you see his video about that? Why don't you talk about that while I go check some more live stream topics. We're walking through the Razor booth, Diesel, Harrison and I, if you saw Harrison on the coverage. I don't remember what we were doing there at all. I think we were trying to find the Steam big picture booth, which wasn't anywhere on the map. We were trying to ask the Razor guys because we thought they might have known. I think that's what we were doing. Anyway, I'm walking around holding the camera in the bag and everything. Then all of a sudden I just hear, Slick? I'm like, what? I kind of look around and there's Paul. I was just like, this is so random. So it was really, really cool meeting him. He got to see who Diesel was. He's a really nice guy. He made a video about like his coverage of CES. What is this? Paul's Hardware? His YouTube channel is Paul's Hardware. You should go check it out. Really, really good video. We'll show them. We'll show them. One second. How do I change to? There we go. So this is more of his personal channel, not his new egg channel. And this is the video that I was talking about. I'm not going to play it right now because I'm not sure about audio levels. I guess it's muted. But yeah, he basically just goes on and talks about his experience at CES, some of the stuff that he covered and troubles. He had the AMD bunker as he calls it, which we didn't get to see, which was really, really cool, which is basically this big kind of dark room, but with portrait TVs all the way around and then this scene kind of just real life going around around it. So you can see like a cow and it'll walk from one TV to the other TV, but there's like a wall in between it. So it's properly timed when it comes out to the other one and the sound is all 360 degrees around. It's pretty cool. I'm not really sure what the application of it is, but it's pretty cool. I think the application is people who are allergic to the sun. So they just want to experience the outside world? Without actually having windows in their homes. They can just put TVs where all the windows should go. That is actually kind of interesting. The smartest thing I've ever heard ever. No, really, think about this for a minute. It's pretty interesting. You can have speakers in your walls and TVs in your walls, so it'll just always feel like you're outside. Yeah. Or if, you know, like, okay, okay. So we're fine. Actually, this was a really cool thing. We saw the flexible OLED screens. That was really cool. That was cool because they're like legit flexible. Like they just take the thing and they just kind of go like this and then the stuff keeps while it was playing. Yeah, while it was playing. So if they could make a, like, oh, the transparent screens. So if they could make a transparent screen that can be either opaque or transparent, then you could have either a window or a scene or something in between. So you could have, like, the outside with, like, bubbles coming up from time to time. Which would actually be kind of ridiculous. That would be really cool. I mean, that might be coming 30, 50 years from now. Right, but like. Where it's like no glass is 3D, so the bubbles actually have depth. And it's just you look outside and bubbles come up across the landscape. It reacts to your mood. So you get really angry and then all the windows are like. Yeah, like lightning comes down. Well that again, okay, that brings us to the perceptual technology demo at Intel. Where they're talking about how they want to build sort of webcams. Well, they want computers to be aware of you. So they'll have infrared sensors and, you know, who knows what they'll have in the future. Maybe temperature sensors plus cameras. They'll be able to read facial expressions. And they want your computer to know if you're reading something on Facebook and you like it. Then it can just like it for you. And little random things. Like if you pick a movie and you've watched that movie before, like similar movies before and you didn't look like you liked it. Like the computer perceives that you did not like it. It'll be like, oh, I don't recommend this movie. You didn't like this type before. Yeah, so that brings us to our, you know, our 3D room sort of. That would actually be kind of the coolest thing ever. We're getting close to holodeck. Yeah, we're getting close to like the pathetic fallacy actually being all around us. So that'd be like the best thing ever. I want a holodeck. You want a holodeck? I think you're, I think we're a little bit too old to actually survive to holodecks and like the singularity and like, you know, defeating aging and all that kind of stuff, which is very disappointing. We might be like one of the last generations of people who have to actually die. If you watch Ted, there's a scientist on there saying that defeating aging is like coming up. Coming pretty soon. Yeah, but it'll be probably too expensive for either you or I to afford it. Right, right. And then like a couple years after we pass away, it'll be like, yeah, affordable. Or the worst thing ever would be, cause you're a little younger than me, like I died. Curse you slick for outliving me by that critical two years. Oh my goodness. So yeah. I mean, what else? I mean, we could almost talk about CES all night tonight. Probably what else? We want to dip into Twitter comments again. Yeah. Okay. Why don't we, why don't we go have a look at some Twitter comments? That's a good idea. You have good ideas from time to time. Like always. Okay. So we did talk about meeting Paul now, which is awesome. First time watching live. Thank you. See his coverage was awesome. Thank you. Ah, ah, Esus. Ah, waiting for Intel's new blah, blah, blush. I get the 3770K. You know what? There was a, oh, I don't think we ever talked about this. The Reddit AMA. Yeah. The Reddit AMA. I don't remember the link, but if you search for Intel engineer AMA, it was freaking awesome. Like he talked about so much cool stuff. I mean, obviously he's, you know, bound by non-disclosure agreements as well. So he can't give details. But he did let slip a couple of gems. Now you and I have talked about this already. Haswell's coming. The next generation Intel platform and socket and CPU architecture on socket 1150. So Haswell's coming and we kind of looked at the specs and we were like, oh. Same clock speeds. There's going to be like a K series with hyperthreading and a K series without hyperthreading and then some non-K that we don't care about. Like, okay. I'll just stick with my chances. And then after all the song and dance that Intel went through about how the reason that Ivy bridge didn't overclock well, like, I mean, generationally better than Sandy bridge was because as the dies keep shrinking, we're reaching that point of we, we, we can't crank it up anymore. We can't just pump more volts through it. Heat's going to become a factor for us. Like quick fast. So we were kind of looking at it going, okay, well, there's probably nothing special overclocking wise. But then one of those rumors are coming out that Intel was going to do away with sockets entirely. So we were like, okay, they don't care about enthusiasts anymore. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. No, read the AMA because he drops a couple bomb hints. Like we'll be like the best thing ever. Basically going to be the bee's knees. He said it'll be an overclockers dream. An overclockers dream. He calls it. Which is like, I'm excited. I want to get, I don't want to get too excited because of the overclocking ability of Ivy was just kind of depressing. The thing that disappoints me is that we're not going to get a 2011 refreshed like right away. Like, why do I have to wait for my truly high end platform? Mind you, I'm going to have Ivy bridge E by then, which will be like 10 cores or something. So I'll probably be all right. But anyway, really excited for Haswell. Don't remember where we were going with that. However, do I think a 3770K is going to be outdated anytime soon? No, no, I really don't think so. I mean, go, go back. We had to go back pretty far to find a test platform that had a CPU that was slow enough that it sucked. I mean, even right after that, we got LGA 1366. Bloomfield 920s are like still kicking. My dad's running one. Yeah. I'm like running it well. He folds on it constantly. Well, he uses a boink. Yeah, he uses boink. He can still run any game. And while running boink, he plays whatever he wants. Yeah. So, I mean, that architecture was so strong. And we've seen small generational improvements from them. But think about it this way. We haven't actually seen that many. Because Bloomfield to Linfield was just a socket change. It was the exact same architecture. And then from there, we went to, we only got Linfield on 1156, right? I think so, yeah. And then from there, we went to Sandy Bridge. Yeah, from there, we went to Sandy Bridge. So we got a generational bump there. And then we got Sandy Bridge E, which was just that again, but on a different socket. And then we got Ivy Bridge, which corporate instructions per clock actually didn't change that much from Sandy Bridge. So since Bloomfield, we've actually only probably increased clock for clock around 20 to 30%. And clock speeds really haven't gone up that much. You can overclock a Bloomfield CPU to 3.6, 3.8 easy. So yeah, think about that, guys. And I broke the Twitter. Oh, sorry. I promised I was done with the Frongway. Let's go ahead and... When is the Windows 8 giveaway going to happen? You know what? Probably near the end of the stream. So Windows 8 giveaway will come. Be patient. Will there be an unboxing of those two water coolers? Yes, they are in the mail already. What's your opinion on computers in the future? My opinion on computers in the future is that they will be futuristic. They are futuristic. Because I have to be honest. I don't know, man. Let's have a look. Let's... Or not let's have a look. Let's see what happens. Just saw your picture of the dog in the car. Yeah, that was actually very sad. I don't know if I want to talk about that right now. Really? It's just like... Is nobody tweeting tonight? I haven't seen... I've seen one comment about the contest and it's just because the guy didn't hear it. No, here's one. And the CS coverage kill... Oh, no, wait. No, it's not. Oh, nice giveaway. Hope I win. There we go. How did you find it? Crack your next 40 video. He's going to get it. It's here. I will work on it soon. We've been very busy. We've had some very exciting stuff going on. Hopefully we'll be able to talk about it a little bit more. For those of you who don't know already, if you're just tuning in, we have a forum now. So limustechtips.com. Go there, sign up. There's an error when you register. Don't worry. Your account has been created. You can start posting immediately. It usually works now. Oh, usually works. Usually works. Oh, it doesn't... There's no error? No. We rolled out a new beta of eBulletin 5. By we, I mean you, not me. I missed a wizard. It might still mess up. No grantees. But as far as I've seen, I made a couple of trash accounts and then deleted them. But it worked every time. So I don't know. If someone else gets the error, you might get the error. I don't know. But on my test case so far, it seemed to be working. But guys, we're looking at a forum that is growing extremely quickly. We're pleased beyond our wildest dreams at how well it's doing, how much people are enjoying it. It's just a great place for everyone to kind of come and interact. We're probably gonna make some changes over time, adding things like, I want you guys to watch... I wanna have our own sort of live stream with maybe like an up and down voting system for people to ask questions and then sort of vote up the questions that they think are most important so we can interact more during live streams. So I'd like to build a module like that at some point. I'm trying to also post little written articles to go along with the videos that I'm posting every night. And I'm posting those in the Linus Tech Tips video section. So you can get a little bit of... Sometimes I'll talk about sort of more general opinion about the product and how it fits into the marketplace. And I'll also talk about things like funny things that happened behind the scenes while we were filming it or anything like that that might be interesting. So that's good. Last night, well I guess that 5am PST was when you guys would have seen it, but all of last night Mr. Wizard and I were working on the forum. We did a whole bunch of stuff. The majority of it was making sure that Beta 25 from VBolton rolled out properly. But we also, we moved the operating system and software out of hardware. It was just kind of there because it was kind of an oddball. So we moved that under a software heading and we added a programming forum. A lot of people asked for a programming forum. That's weird. We didn't have it at first because we're like a hardware show. But a lot of our fans come from a lot of different disciplines and a lot of people asked for a programming forum. So I decided no. Did you decide that? I decided that. I wasn't informed that he had decided that, but okay. I decided we have a programming forum now. I've seen a couple posts in there, but I think it's mainly because people didn't know it was there. So if you're into programming, you want to talk about programming, jump on the programming forum. Make it active so Linus doesn't want to remove it. No, no, it's not that I wanted to remove it. I just didn't expect anyone to be that interested in it. Then again, programming is not really my thing, so to put it mildly. KrakenX40, how did you find out about the Turtle Beach headsets? I was probably wondering what you thought about them in general. Oh, I didn't really get to listen to them much while we were there. So unfortunately I'll have to wait until we actually get something that we can bring hands on on the set and listen to for more of an extended period of time and to really evaluate. What about the eSports chick that had a thing for... I watched that video and I don't know where all of this came from. She's bubbly. I don't necessarily think she had a thing for me. She's bubbly. Yeah. I mean her thing is she's there like repping Thermaltake eSports. It's like her job to be excited about gaming peripherals. Speaking of being excited about gaming peripherals, Cherry MX Greens. Oh my goodness, they're awesome. They're so cool. I'm kind of a keyboard fanatic as some people may have figured out and I'm a huge fan of blues. I've never been able to type on greens yet, so when we got there and they're like, oh yeah, blah blah blah, talking about all their keyboards and then they get over to the other side and they're like, oh yeah, and we decided we'd roll out a keyboard with greens. I was like, holy crap, yes, this is awesome. So I finally got to go up and type on it because I've only ever seen them in space bars. They're basically stiff blues and the sound of them is kind of deeper. It doesn't have so much of a sharp edge to it. It's just kind of, it's more chunky and they weigh more. So it's, if you have big meat hands and you just like smash your keys, it's really, really, really nice. I've seen a couple of people posting, why would anyone ever like that? They weigh so much. It's awesome. That's exactly what I want. I love greens. I hope to get my hands on a green keyboard pretty soon. That was really cool. I actually completely forgot about that. I know there was so much. There's way too much stuff. That was Cooler Master, not Thermaltake. Sorry, I kind of changed gears there. Yeah, Cooler Master is going to be bringing that to market soon. I think the allocation of them will be quite limited. So there's not going to be a ton available, but someone's finally doing it. It's not necessarily Cooler Master's fault. Green switches are not that common because they're usually only used in space bars and then even then they're not used that much. And they're expensive. That's why they don't tend to get implemented. Who said they were going to bring a Topher keyboard? I think that was also Cooler Master. Those guys are going absolutely... Their product line has just exploded. It's ridiculous. Keyboard wise, they're going up against guys like Ducky and Philco and they are serious about having a broad portfolio of keyboards. They're solid keyboards. They feel nice. They feel good. I have my Ducky, but there's a really sad story to go along with that, which I can explain in a second. But currently I'm using a Quickfire. Quickfire with blue switches. Okay, the Ducky story. As some of you might know... Can I go get it? I'm going to go get the Ducky. I'm sorry. Okay. As some of you might know, I have my Ducky. I'm a big fan of my Ducky. I took it down to PAX, got it signed by a whole bunch of people. I'll show that when he comes down here. I used to run my mineral oil computer. One of the weird things that you figure out with a mineral oil computer after running one for five years, it's different if you just build one, run it for a couple months and get rid of it. I ran it for five years. There's a lot of stuff that happens after the year, year and a half mark that is just bizarre. One thing that starts happening is as the mineral oil heats up... Now I had it pumped out to a radiator, so it was being cooled down all the time. It's not a passive mineral oil rig, which I'm not a fan of. It was a active cooled mineral oil rig. As the mineral oil heats up, so if I play a really intense game, it would climb out of my case. I had a plexiglass shield, but it would still climb out of my case and get up on my cables and climb up my cables. It was ridiculous. It would come down, not a ton of it, but it would come down and it would get on the plastic of the cables and harden all of them. It would harden my cables and then as I moved my cables around, if I manhandled them a little bit, they'd crack. This is... You can detach the USB cable on it, so I'd take it around all the time, because I really, really like my keyboard, and stash my USB cable in my bag, so it started cracking over time. Then the keyboard stopped working. I thought this was because the cable, so I swapped it with the detachable cable on my quick fire. A wild keyboard appears. It fainted. It stopped working. I've been kind of scared to fully diagnose it yet, because I'm really worried that it's dead, because I really like this keyboard, but I'll have to figure it out in the next day or two, I guess. Who are all these signatures on the back? Look at that. It's even signed by people. I know who Husky is. Husky? You know who Husky is? Yeah. Yeah. Only because you talk about it. Him. There's Bomber, Noni, Blang, Firezerg, Husky, Day9's mom. Day9's mom. Day9 and Incontrol. It's all StarCraft people. Yeah. Do you even play StarCraft? I do. I don't have any time to play because you work me like a slave, but I do play StarCraft. Oh, okay. Well, that got awkward real fast. My brother is better at StarCraft than me and a caster. You should check him out on Twitter. It's at ColdSC. He's pretty great. He has good StarCraft content. Well, look at that. You have an overclock.net space bar too. I do. My space bar is overclock.net. This is a Day9 key. Well, you have to. This is an overclock.net space bar. It's ninja printing, so it's there, and it has Ducky logo on it. This is Day9's 9 key. I got that from PAX. These ones come with the keyboard. All the white ones is like... That's kind of a funny story, actually. The white ones? Yeah. My brother bought a full key set of blank whites from WASD for Christmas and gave me half and then used half on his board. So I grabbed the remainders and made things work. This is my favorite part. All white arrow keys because I never use them. It looks really cool. And then this is a Team Liquid key that I put on my escape. Same as the sweater. You're painted. Stop. It's okay. We're going to fix this. I don't know how. But I will fix it. I will make it live. So that's a sad story. I have no idea how we got there. But that's a sad story. Probably the best story of today has to be the... Wait, did you say... Actually, you know what? Here, let's talk about this. Guys, as you know, I've been an iOS user for over two years now. Almost two and a half years. So my trademark iPhone comparisons for size may actually be going away. You should just keep it as a brick to use. Should I just keep it as like... You should just keep it as a size comparison brick. MP3 player and... Nope, just a brick. So I can't even use it to listen to music. Nope. So I just have to not use it ever again. You can just listen to music on your new phone. What if this is better? Nope. It probably won't be. Okay. So my iOS days are numbered. I'm actually kind of like... I received these in the mail two days ago, but I'm sort of like... I'm not even sure if I want to open them because they mean that I will have to move away from the familiarity of my Apple universe to something new. So I recently got in touch with HTC. I've never actually had any access to cool new phones or anything like that. But they basically said, well, here, you're an iOS user. That's a very sad thing. You have a lot of people who follow you on sort of that thing on the internet with the videos, YouTube. So tell you what, no strings attached. Why don't you try another platform? So they sent over a couple of cool phones. One of them is the HTC 8X, which is a Windows 8 phone, which I'm extremely excited about. And the other one is the OnePlus, which is a 1080p Android phone. I actually had a few people telling me I went with the wrong one because they had given me the option between the OnePlus and the 720p other more different one. Oh, really? I just like the screen on the OnePlus. Yeah. So I wanted to see what a 1080p screen looks like on a phone. So these are the care packages that came along with them. So I figure I'll do a live unboxing of whatever the heck is in here. Green paper. OK. More green paper. More green paper. No, there's something in there. OK. So here, you can hold that. So inside this box, we have an HTC car stereo clip, which quick and easy to set up, play music from your phone through your car stereo speakers, delivers authentic studio quality sound through aptX enhancement, Bluetooth supporting. To use this product, please ensure your stereo is equipped with a three and a half millimeter auxiliary connector. So it's three and a half millimeter to Bluetooth. You can Bluetooth your phone to it. That is actually the best thing ever because I use. You know what? I wish I could take the camera out to my car right now because you can vouch for this. I legit have a three and a half mil connector always sticking out of my deck. And in the other car, in my wife's car, the three and a half mil connectors in the glovebox. So there's always a three and a half mil connector just randomly sticking out through the glovebox and then just like on the floor. So this might actually be a better solution to that. OK. So cool stuff from HTC, number one. Cool stuff from HTC, number two, is the media link. Everything on your phone to your TV in high definition instantly wireless. I didn't even know they make accessories like this. See, this is how sheltered I am. I thought Apple TV was the only solution. Apple TV. You horrible person. Well, I don't have. You saw the cube. I don't have an Apple TV. Can you do that with cube? I don't know. Simple intuitive. Swipe your screen with three fingers to instantly set up and share your content to your HD screen, something, something, something. So basically it's like wide eye, supports up to 1080p video and audio, DLNA compliant. OK, very cool. What else is in there? So obviously I'll be showing you guys a bunch of cool HTC stuff over the next little bit because this is all super exciting and whatnot. OK, on the go charging. OK, so it's a 6000 milliamp hour sort of on the go power brick. I think we've all seen these before. Is it that slim? Two times full charged. No, I don't think it's that slim. When we do, we'll do an unboxing of it and then we'll check it out. Or maybe we'll do like an unboxing of like all the HTC accessories because apparently there are all of them here. Crystal clear wire, free music and phone calls. So this is a wireless headphone and sort of microphone thing using Bluetooth aptX with HTC exclusive audio profile for authentic sound. OK, my expectations are not super high for headphones that come from non audio companies, but I'll give them a try. Costs nothing to try. And then it costs nothing for you guys to hear my thoughts about it. So the risk is very low for you. Another on the go charger, a black version of the wireless headphones. OK, and dun dun dun. OK, so there's a card. So this is the HTC 8X running Windows Phone 8. This is the yellow version, which is apparently not actually available in my region. So LTE is not going to work on this one. But from talking to them, they were saying that the actual real world difference between LTE and fast, good 3G is not that big when you're actually running on the phone. When you're tethering, it might be noticeable. But yeah, they were saying it's not as big of a deal in that way. So OK, it's a 16 gig version, has a gig of RAM, 720p screen, Beats audio built in. Well, that'll definitely be better than the iPhone. Actually I'm kind of curious to know if that is necessarily better than the iPhone. Beats audio is HTC now. It's no longer a monster. Oh, that's right. Yeah. I was wondering for a second, how did they work that out? There you go. This comes in a much larger box. That's the 1080p screen one. Yeah, so I think it's got like a 5 inch screen or something ridiculous like that. So there's the Droid DNA thing on it. Wait a minute, is this the Droid DNA, the one with the 1080p screen? Maybe the 1X was the one without the 1080p. See, I'm not actually a phone guy. So I'm actually hoping to do a series of videos focused mostly on Windows Phone 8 where I go OK, this is what it's like. Like maybe like a weekly blog sort of, you know. That would be cool. D3. I'm going through, withdrawal, my Air Video app. Where is it? Where is it? So I want to do sort of a what is the experience actually like going from iOS to something else. So I can enable others to make the switch with me. Hearing aid compatibility. This one has like nothing about the phone whatsoever on the outside. We're going to have to give you like a face guard so you can't bite people when you go rabid. So this one's a Verizon phone. So this is a US phone. But apparently these are both fully unlocked so I can use them on Bell which is my carrier. Although I'm not sure how long I'm going to stick with them because they were kind of butt heads about my last experience with them. How long did that take you? I was on the phone with them basically for an entire day. Yeah. I was trying to contact him that day which was completely useless. You know the stupid thing is Rogers never really did wrong. I was with Rogers for like four years. Four or five years. Rogers never did wrong by me. They never did anything bad to me. Just Bell had an offer and Rogers wouldn't match it. And my then girlfriend, now wife, was on Bell so there was a Bell to Bell hat. They had Bell to Bell. That's right. And I think Rogers didn't have something equivalent and my contract was up and hers wasn't. So I would consider going back to Rogers. I'd never use one of the other guys who I will not name but wouldn't even consider that. So this is the Verizon. That looks really nice. How's the... That's a nice soft touch on the back. Wow that's gorgeous. So there you go guys. We'll be doing unboxings of these over the next little bit. I'm extremely excited to try them out. As you guys know I've never really been a phone guy so I guess I'll have to like learn something new. It's interesting. I think it'll be fun. Okay. To start trying out the phones and stuff. And like if once we get more into phones I run a lot of kind of interesting fun apps on my phone it would be cool to do like app stuff. Oh yeah I guess so. Because they're all Android. Yeah. You know it's funny because my favorite app in the world is Air Video and I still haven't managed to do a Tech Tips video about it. I talk about it. I love Air Video. It's amazing. But I've never, never done anything. We should run a poll on the forums under your Linus's ramblings thing and figure out how many people want phone stuff. Yeah. Actually that's not a bad idea. In fact you know what? I'd love to see your Twitter comments right now about what you want us to talk about in terms of phones because it's new territory and we're not really sure what you guys are expecting. I mean do you want more like bloggy style content like what it's like from a non-phone guy's perspective or do you want us to more like sort of do a bunch of preparation and then just show you kind of neat stuff about them in the way that we normally do with computers where it comes very easily for me because almost everything I tell you guys about computers is just because I was actually driven to figure it out at some point because I actually had to and then now I just kind of know that. Whereas with phones I've always taken the approach that if I can find the numbers and then hold it up here and sort of it makes a noise, then it's fine. Because he's more of a phone dork, not me. So yeah, that's kind of neat. What else do we have? Highlights of CES. I mean we can just talk about more random CES stuff. Should we bring up the coffee story? Yes. Absolutely. The coffee story is amazing. I hope Diesel's still watching. This was one of the best like okay we're definitely in Las Vegas stories that we have. Diesel, this is like the first night or the second night or something. Diesel and I are in the hotel room and Diesel's starting to edit. I'm trying to jump on my laptop and work on the forum and he's like man I need coffee. Tired, need coffee. So me and him go to leave, go downstairs and the coffee shop that's in there serves like this tiny little cup of coffee for five bucks. So we're like okay we need to find a Starbucks so he can get a big freaking thing of coffee and just edit like a machine. And that was on like day one to give you guys some idea how bad it was just from like traveling and like doing one day. Like it was already brutal. We were down there for what like six days? Yeah, yeah. So we're basically going on a hunt at this point. We go out the front of the hotel and I ask one of the valets. I'm like hey where can we get some coffee? So the guy calls his buddy over and his buddy starts walking over. So I look over at his buddy and as his buddy walks up he goes like very noticeably and I'm just thinking okay, stuff he knows. Look back at the valet that I asked and he's like no, no, no, no, no. I actually think they're talking about coffee. He thought we were wanting to buy cocaine. I was like wow we're definitely in Vegas. And it turned out that all the coffee shops closed probably because everyone's buying cocaine. But anyways, that was a ridiculous story. That was funny. What else from CES? I don't know. I'm going to look through some of the videos and just kind of like oh talk about Razor Edge. Razor Edge, that was the towel. Oh super wide aspect ratio monitors. Okay. Oh those were ridiculous. Yeah. I know. I don't know what to make of it. So I don't know if you guys saw this but at CES we saw a couple of, okay Diesel's calling. I don't know what he wants. Okay. I don't know what he wants. Hey. Uh no, he wasn't there. Do you want us to tell that story? No, no he went back with me. The, the, oh probably. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah I don't think we should tell that story. That's not very PG-13. Okay bye. There's going to be a lot of questions about that. Never mind, never mind. We'll do the, like the Saddam Hussein, like nothing to see here. Just carry on. Super wide aspect ratio monitors. So we went from 4 by 3 which is slightly wider than it is tall, almost a square, to 5 by 4 which is even more square, to 16 by 10 which is not very square, to 16 by 9 which is less square, to 16 by 21 which is basically a strip of monitor like this. LG and Asus had monitors on display that were 29 inch IPS, so gorgeous monitors, ideal for movie viewing. What do you, gaming perhaps as well? What do you think? I don't think so, not for gaming. Why not? One interesting thing that- Okay if you'll game in surround with multiple monitors, why not do it with a bezel? Even with multiple monitors I play on one screen. Unless I'm playing like a racing game or a flight sim, that's pretty much the only time. Okay but what if you were playing an RTS from a company that doesn't have their heads up their behinds about sort of- Competitive is going to stay on one screen. That is so stupid. You know what? Supreme Commander was so far ahead of like everyone else in so many ways. Seriously though, physics based combat instead of stupid die rolling, which is how it should be, you could actually program your guys to maneuver in certain ways when meeting an enemy force so that they'd be less likely to be hit. There was an event, you know how- There's more math and strict, strict, strict straightforward strategy. That's why it's more competitive. Talking about StarCraft. Whatever, StarCraft can eat it. So Supreme Commander at the time had support for you to move your mini map onto a second monitor, but it wasn't just a mini map. You could actually go over to that second monitor and zoom in on it down to a very small level so you could actually monitor two places at a time. Why not? Seriously. For competitive games, give everyone two monitors. The monitor guys will be happy, they get to sell more monitors. The gamers will be happy, they get to monitor two bases. From assumptions, being able to monitor two bases, competitive edge. They want to have everyone on an equal playing field. At least as equal as possible. People aren't on an equal playing field. That's why Blizzard- Okay hold on. Why doesn't Blizzard go and endow everyone in the world with a fiber internet connection so that nobody has any latency? But this is why- Why doesn't Blizzard endow everyone with a gaming machine that can run at the same resolution in the same setting? Game machine doesn't run. Blizzard makes sure that all their games stop. Why doesn't Blizzard endow everyone with a gaming mouse that has optimal precision and the clicks are hair trigger clicks so that everyone has exactly- Some of the best gaming mouse for Starcraft are the old school white Microsoft ones because they're very definitive clicks. They don't need any crazy ridiculous DPI ones. Starcraft, wow, all that kind of stuff that Blizzard makes, they make sure it can run on a crazy array of systems. Starcraft is really easy to run. That's just another way of saying that their graphics look like ass and that they're holding back PC gaming in general by not actually pushing the hardware. But they're pushing the competitive scene which is pushing PC gaming. It's not console gaming. You don't play Starcraft on a console. Starcraft 64 was dumb. It was funny and kind of fun. It was Starcraft 64? Because I know there was Warcraft 2 for PlayStation. There was Starcraft 64. Oh my goodness. I want to get it. I want to try it. I think it would be fun. I tried Warcraft 2 on PlayStation. I was at a game store. I was at a used game store and I was like, because I played a lot of Warcraft 2 back then and I was like, seriously? Isn't it just kind of awkward though? Oh, it's the worst thing ever. Oh yeah. It's like the most terrible experience you could possibly have playing an RTS. It's like Halo Wars. It's like, why did you do that? That's so weird. I've never played Halo Wars. I just like... A friend had it so I went to his house and was just like, okay, I don't understand. Just buy a computer. Come on. Like this is just so weird. There's certain games that should just not be played on a console. Stagger Dynamics. Speaking of buying a computer. Very cool. That could replace your console. I mean, it's one of those things where it's like, do we need another boutique system builder? The answer to that question is usually, nein, nicht. Nicht. Nein. No. Yeah, any other flavor of absolutely not that you can possibly think of. However, they're coming at it from a new perspective, which I have to respect. Number one is every system's liquid cooled, which, okay, it's been done before. Number two is they're only using the ballinist hardware, which has been done before. Number three is they have a special case, which has been done before, but hasn't necessarily been done this well before. And in this way. And in this way before. And number five is they're going after the living room. So this I haven't seen nearly as much before. Now Silverstone's tried to do extremely high end home theater cases. They've had like seven inch touchscreen displays on them and I kind of go, guys, really? Touchscreen? Home theater, it's at the front. It's supposed to be 15 feet away from the viewer. So I mean, you know, they meant well, but. And that was back when Windows XP was a thing. So touchscreen on Windows XP. Yeah, that's like, handy clap, right? So that wasn't that great. But, no, that was me. I was like, who's trying to come in? I'm like rustling all the stuff. That's like, oh my goodness, that's like, that's like an Nvidia. Sure you can. It's green. Yeah, Nvidia. That's what I said. OK. That's like Nvidia green. I was going to say a bane-ling. What was I talking about? I don't know what that is, do you? Yeah, I know what a bane-ling is. I played Starcraft. I played three rounds of Starcraft 2. OK. Hey. I did play it. You owned it. Well that's how I played it, smart guy. They have trials. Yeah, trials are just. Well, no, I needed to use it for benchmarking. I can't have a trial for that. Actually, I think it would still work. Still? I'm not sure. I don't know if they're trial. OK, the benchmarking that we use is a custom thing. You don't know what it is because you've never run that one. Blizzard is the king of trials that are the worst thing ever. If you can run a custom game, I have no idea if you can on the trial because I owned it as well. Well, it expires after 14 days. You can't. No, there's a starter edition. Well, is that a different thing than a trial? Yeah, because there's no. Well, a trial is a very specific thing. It's like free to play Starcraft. I think you can even play multiplayer, but you can only play as Terran. What? Yeah, it's kind of weird. OK, well that's not the thing that I had. I had trials, like Nvidia was giving us Starcraft 2 trials with graphics cards. Yeah, but it came out later. So he calls me ignorant, but it turns out he's actually talking about a completely different thing than what he was actually talking about. If he'd said starter edition, I'd have said, jeez, what's starter edition? He's telling me more about it because I really do like hearing your opinion on things. That's crap. What the heck were we talking about? I have no idea. Staggered Dynamics. Yeah, Staggered Dynamics. OK, so they're going after the living room. So it's a super high end chassis. It has a beautiful display on the front. It's big. It's like this big. And the chassis is set up for just ball and liquid cooling. It's like this tall. So it's like thick and awesome. It has a window on the top. It looks absolutely beautiful. We might have a unit coming in so we can do some awesome, like, glamour footage of it and show you guys exactly what a system like this looks like. And I mean, is it expensive? Yes. But if you want, like, the best home theater solution possible. And great for gaming, along with like a CouchMaster. We unboxed that recently, which is kind of awesome. But like, look at it from this perspective. It wasn't that long ago that any random desktop computer was like $5,000. And people didn't really blink an eye. Is it that crazy to spend money on a computer that's awesome? I mean, you could go buy an HP. You could build your own. But you wouldn't actually be able to build something quite like this. And the way they do the cabling is absolutely immaculate. Like it's as good as anyone but the very, very top tier of elitist enthusiasts would build for themselves. Like it's probably better than I would build, to be perfectly honest. Just due to like time and whatnot. Well time and just general patience and general skill. I have no metalworking background, which is a huge detriment. I think mainly time, considering your computer isn't running yet. Yes. Okay. I will, what did I say? You said before Star Citizen. Before Star Citizen hits alpha, my computer will be done. And I will say this, although we can't talk about embargoed and non-indian products, but I will have my computer up and running before there's a replacement for the 690. So I will only be one generation behind by the time my computer is actually done. So there. Still, the entire time I've known you, you haven't had a real fully working computer. It was working. It was on a bench. Yes. Sitting on like carpet with SSDs just like sprawling out on the floor. Yes. I don't think that counts. It was working. I don't think it counts. It was working. I didn't have the 590 in it. But I had like a 480 or something. Okay whatever, I don't want to talk to you. What else was cool? Oh yeah, the Silverstone dust. We didn't even finish talking about the monitor. Oh yeah, the monitor. Oh yeah, I wanted to take Twitter questions about that or something. Twitter comments. Oh right, then I started looking for the keyboard and I couldn't find it because you hit it on me. I'm pretty sure you're the one that repeatedly puts it there. I'm pretty sure that that's probably right. Okay, so let's do some Twitter stuff for a little bit here to close this out guys. Ah, back to the top. I completely lost my voice in CES. That was kind of rough. It's hard to be a video guy when you have no voice. It's like not good business. Whoa, holy crap, 19 new interactions since I did that. Oh, we have to do our Windows 8 giveaway. We'll do that soon. I hope I win the giveaway. Sorry for spamming, but in my defense, Diesel told us to mention about Slick's dancing. You danced? Not much. Not much at all. Diesel was the king dancer. What is he talking about? No, when did you dance? I don't think. That's what I'm curious about. I don't think. You'd probably be good at dancing. Diesel's kind of crazy. I like Diesel's dance style. He's just, he's nuts. He's fun. Diesel's very fun. Okay, this is interesting. So the 7870 Joker apparently has a Tahiti GPU. So I don't know why they're calling it a 7870. That's just stupid. Let's call it a 7900 SE or something then. Right, so it's similar to the core edition. Yeah, except that that was an actual thing. 560 Ti 448 was an actual thing, whereas when you call it 7870 and it's a 7950, then that's just... Yeah, that's stupid. That's like Intel saying, we have innovated. We have made the fastest core i3. But they actually just... It's a core i7. Stand down the IHS on a core i7 and write core i3 on it in crayon. That's not... In crayon. That's the best part. That's not a fast 7870. That's just a slow 7950 then. I'm super interested in Windows 8 phone. Sounds good. Anything to say on Surface Pro? Surface Pro, I actually, I love Surface. The first Surface, I love the form factor. I love the way that it's got a keyboard and a tablet and it's super lightweight and the keyboard is actually just a cover. I love the whole idea. Surface Pro, I think I have to wait for Gen 2 or maybe even Gen 2 of Surface 1 once apps are better and once it's running Tegra 4 because Tegra 4 is going to be way faster than Tegra 3. Surface is sort of Achilles heel is the speed of the CPU. Surface Pro's Achilles heel is the power efficiency of the CPU. It's going to be Surface 2 versus Surface Pro 2 where we really find out which of those platforms is the real deal because by then Intel will have launched their Haswell based low power CPUs which will be just destructor in terms of performance and should have power consumption that's right down there with the mobile stuff. Surface Pro is probably like, okay, you're right. It only gets three to three and a half hours of battery. No, no, no. I'm saying Surface, like that line. The Surface Pro line is probably the first tablet that I would legitimately like. Okay, when Netbooks came out all the students were like, oh, yay, I can have this tiny little thing that I can take to class. Then everyone was like, wow, this sucks and then just kind of stopped. I have a Netbook. You saw where I keep it. Yeah, just like a corner. I can't even really describe it better than this little corner. It's just shoved in the corner. There's some power supplies here and then there's some other random crap here like water cooling stuff and then it's slotted in between them. Yeah, just no cares were given. Then tablets came out and people were like, oh, I can take this to class and use this. Then they're like, uh. iPad is kind of an awesome experience, but I wouldn't use it for any serious work. Exactly. It's an entertainment device, strictly. Pro is the first line that I'm like, okay, I could actually probably take this to class and actually use it. You know what? I would make the same argument about Surface. Yeah, but- Because you have Office. That's the key. But not for my classes. I need full applications. Okay. There's a lot of people that go to school that need full applications. For programming, then I can see that. It's very cool that I can just install something on my tablet that I have on my desktop. Why not just get something like a Tai Chi then? That's the double-sided notebook tablet thing with the rotation, or not rotation, it just goes down and becomes a tablet so it's got screens on both sides of the top. So much bigger. Okay, that's true. That's pretty much the main and only thing. But it has a proper keyboard, whereas even touch cover and type cover are both inferior keyboards compared to what you get on Tai Chi. Not to be too negative, but I hate the touch cover. It was usable for me. It was usable, but it felt so awkward. You press and there's no- Give it more time. What is it called? Tactile feedback. Tactile feedback. There's no tactile feedback at all. Okay. And it feels like there should be. What if a Gen 2 touch cover had haptic feedback or something like that? I'd be okay with that. Because that's probably not a bad idea. Any Microsoft employees watching, haptic feedback on touch cover 2. It shouldn't be that hard, I don't think. I don't know. I'm not an engineer, but I don't think it should be that hard. Hey. Why is it me? You're smart. Apparently we crashed the Stagger Dynamics website. Yes. Where were we going with this? So Surface Pro- Right. So the second gen. That's where things are getting real. So it's going to be Tegra 4, which will fix everything that was wrong with Tegra 3, versus Haswell Mobile, which will fix hopefully everything that's wrong with Ivy Bridge. And we're going to find out once those two are much closer, do we- and the apps will be more mature by then. Do we need the full Windows 8 experience? Or does everyone need the full Windows 8 experience? Because some people do. Or is RT good enough? So- It'll just depend mainly on who you are. And I think it'll be cool having the two different SKUs. Right. What happened to Slick's phone? Ha! You know what, why don't you tell that story while I prepare the Windows 8 giveaway. Okay, so we're all ridiculously obscenely tired and just finished packing and we're all sitting there with all of our bags by the door and Linus is like, we should get our tickets ready on our phones. So he emails out the tickets to everybody, Diesel and myself, and himself obviously, and we all go get our tickets on our phone. For some reason I couldn't connect to the hotel's Wi-Fi. I have no idea why I was able to do it all the time. So I'm sitting there frustratedly working with my phone. My shoes are untied at the same point in time. So I eventually get ticked off and just tell them both to pick up the ticket on their phones as well for me so that they can submit my ticket. I put my phone down, tie my shoes, get up, grab my bags and leave. I realized part way through the taxi ride that like, oh no, I don't have my phone. Because I always keep it in my front right hand pocket. So I kind of noticed, I was like, something feels weird. And then I kind of noticed my phone's not there. Luckily, if you watched the CES coverage, you probably saw him a little bit. Harrison, my buddy, is still in that hotel room. So when I got back, or no, I borrowed Linus' phone and texted Harrison and was like, hey, can you grab my phone? So he's shipping that to me. I still won't have it for a while. It's really weird not having a phone. I lasted through pretty much almost all of high school without a phone and liked it. But now that I have one, oh, I don't know. Flip phones I never really cared about. Smart phones is completely different because I can do email and I can do everything else on my phone. So it just feels very awkward not having my phone. I hope I get it soon. But that was kind of a crappy story. I never usually leave my phone places. That was just massive sleep deprivation and distractions. I also left my watch there. Really? Yeah. Harrison got that as well. Oh, you got that as well? Yeah. Oh, that's like super disappointing. That would have been ridiculously sad as well because that's a very cool watch. That's a something, something Tokyo Flash RPM. Yeah. Tokyo Flash RPM. That's a very cool watch. We did an unboxing of that at one point. So Slick is the one who ended up with that watch. All right. Windows 8 giveaway time. Drum roll. Okay. So TimmyTechTV, hold on. I'm going to bring up the channel that you guys are supposed to be following because they are actually the ones that are contributing these prizes. These Windows 8s are not coming from me. They're coming from TimmyTechTV. And I would like to give you guys a question that will rely on you guys actually having been paying attention to TimmyTechTV besides just being like sort of, you know, lambam, thank you ma'am. That prize is fantastic. Thank you so much. And we're never going to look at anything you do ever again. So Timmy actually gave me a question to ask you guys that will be, what storage boot drive did Tim use in the MATX build? So I know at least some of you are going to try to cheat and that's fine. Cheating is encouraged. But it will be the first one to tweet us the correct answer. And I want exactly the correct answer. I want the capacity. I want any little symbols that go along with it. I want exactly what SSD was used. Take the time, type it properly. I'm going to guess but using my hand. How would you, how could you possibly know this? I haven't seen it. I'm just going to make a guess. You're going to guess, okay. I don't even know what that was. No. No? Nope. You're wrong. You lose. You lose. So, for the love of, I do have phones behind me but unfortunately Slick does not have his SIM. So, yeah. That's kind of useless. You're boninated. I could use it as a email and everything. You could. But I have a computer. So I want the exact model. I'm not giving any hints. Any hints. I want the exact model. So many different. Capacity and everything. Capacity, I want the exact, exact model name. Not the part number. I just want the model name in its completest form. There's a couple of people guessing the exact same thing I guessed. Yeah. There's a lot of people guessing a lot of things that aren't quite right. Aren't quite right. Aren't quite right. I don't just want the brand, guys. I want the model name of the SSD. Let's go down. Let's go down. Let's go down. Oh yeah. We should talk about Google Fiber after. That's not rolling out in Canada, is it? No. We should talk about how mad we are about that. Very mad. Very mad. Especially in BC. Roll it out in BC. We have crappy internet. I know. Really crappy internet. It's not that bad. It's pretty bad. Shaw has some good plans. Still pretty bad. Okay. Hold on. Do you have to check? Yeah. I can't remember exactly what it is. Do you want me to check? No, no. It's okay. Okay. I'll say this. Martin's really close, but he's not there. He's actually missed the actual brand. He's missed the series name. See, a lot of people. I don't know how many times have I said I don't want to see a capacity with a manufacturer. I want to know exactly which one. See, V-Series is not good enough. It wasn't a V200. Okay. Let's see if Peter was the first one. There we go. Kingston, 128 gig SSD now, V+. Hold on. Did you guys guess before Peter? Why do people keep saying 840? Are you guys just guessing? That's what I guessed. Peter, you are the winner. All right. So Peter, I'm going to follow you on Twitter. Follow so that you can send me a direct message claiming your prize. Winner, winner, chicken dinner. There is actually no chicken dinner included in the prize. Although if you ask really nicely, I might throw in one of those Twinkies that we ate on the live stream about a month ago. And then he died. Don't eat it. And then Linus got his copy of Windows 8. Send it a month or two before so you don't have to pay for shipping. Yes. Saving two bucks. Yes. Actually, Tim is the one who's sending it out. Okay. So we're going to close with how mad we are about Google Fiber. So Google Fiber is basically Google's way of telling the internet service providers, yo, you see that butt that you're sitting on that's so fat? It's time to not sit on that fat butt anymore and actually improve the infrastructure that's going on. Seriously, you look at what they used to have to invest for infrastructure versus what they're willing to do now. Copper wasn't cheap like 20 years ago. Running the wire wasn't cheap. And I understand that they want that investment to pay for itself. Blah dee blah dee blah dee blah. However, Fiber isn't ridiculously unreasonable to run and the infrastructure that's going into it isn't ridiculously unreasonable. It's just a matter of, well, we don't have to. So Google's making them have to. Google is making them have to. So they've rolled it out. What is it? Like Kentucky or something stupid like that? Kentucky, I'm pretty sure, and one other place? I think it's just a very limited rollout where Google is rolling out gigabit internet to freaking awesome. Gigabit, like up down, gigabit internet to selected communities. That basically like think about this guys. You'd be able to take a full uncompressed DVD rip and transfer that at sort of about 100 megabytes per second, so about four seconds per, or rather 10 seconds per whatever. So in about 45 seconds, you could transfer an entire DVD from your house to like your buddy's house over the interwebs, just like freaking drag and drop. That would be just like the best thing ever. We could host as many forums as we wanted with Fiber. However, they're not rolling it out in Canada, and I kind of understand why because compared to American ISPs, Canada, I actually, and you can complain all you want about them. I can actually- No, I get it. I somewhat understand what they're talking about because you look at even things like high speed is not rolled out across all of BC yet because- There's just so much land to cover. Like I get it. It just sucks. I want faster internet. Like when it's going to cost them like a couple hundred thousand dollars to do a cable run to like your stupid hundred mile house where there's like 40 people. Like do the math. If each of those people is paying $39.99 for their light speed plan because there are a bunch of people who don't necessarily care because they're busy hunting or chopping firewood or whatever else people do out there. I love my country, brother, and actually I grew up in like totally the sticks, so I'm not just ripping on you guys. But quite frankly, there's other things to do other than the internet, especially like the culture there is different. So they're all on their $39.99 high speed plans, light speed plans. How long does it take that to pay for itself? So yes, there has to be a subsidy that comes from the denser areas, especially somewhere like Canada where it's this enormous landmass. I mean think about this guys. Canada has fewer people than the state of California alone. I'm going to let that sink in for a minute in terms of population density. Has it sunk in now? Because Canada has the second largest landmass on earth after Russia and like nobody lives there. So yeah, I kind of understand. But in the states, I am so glad to see this happening because what I expect is especially along the bottom regions of Canada, especially down over near the Great Lakes, I would expect the infrastructure that's getting built to kind of creep its way over the border slowly to cities like Vancouver and Toronto where people like yours truly will get to take advantage of them because the internet has not been speeding up fast enough compared to everything else that's going on. And if we're going to have a chance of being on the cutting edge of some of the technologies that are coming, whether you like them or not, things like IP gaming, it's coming, they will be able to roll that note. But think about it. Imagine if you were on a fiber gigabit connection. I just want my own rig. Who cares at that point though? I just want my own rig. Why? Because I like my own rig. What if the latencies were like three milliseconds? I have, okay, altogether I have like a hundred and something gigs of cloud storage available and I use like 24 megabytes. Well that's because it's so inaccessible. What if you could access it at full gigabit? It's still pretty accessible for documents and stuff. I just don't. That's irresponsible though. I like it. I like having local storage. Do you have a raid backup of it? I have a backup. Are you using my server? You're so fired. Now you know. I'm not. So like anyways, okay, IP gaming is coming. Whether guys like this believe in it or not, 30 years from now a gaming PC will be a relic. It's coming. So we need the latencies. Or well we need to not have the latencies. We need to have two, three millisecond latencies in order for a technology like that to even make any sense. To have the image rendered in the cloud and then beamed to us and have our inputs going to that cloud based rendering solution. So fiber is the only solution. So in order for, because countries like Japan are going to be able to roll out fiber to all like that because they have this population density. You run like a kilometer of fiber and you reach like a bajillion people in their high rises that can now all be tapped into these wide, wide backbones. We can't do it here and that's fine, but it means that North America is going to fall behind on the technology curve. So Google is doing their part to kind of step up and make that a reality. Put some pressure on those guys. I love it. I'm happy to see it. And I'd hope that within the next three to five years I'll be able to get a beast connection here. I mean already now over copper I can get 250 down. I just wish the ISPs would stop being so stingy about upload. And that's another place where Google is really pushing the envelope with this technology where they're saying, no, a gigabit pipe is a gigabit pipe. Gigabit up, gigabit down. What do you think this is? Because yeah, like come on. Upload has always been terrible. I remember before we upgraded our house we had 50 kilobytes. Kilobytes. 512K. Effective. Yeah. Oh yeah, 50 kilobytes. Oh yeah, sorry. 50 kilobytes. Effective. Like what? And that was a high speed plan. Yeah. If anyone did anything you're done. My mom would be like, oh, I'm going to upload a YouTube video of my dog. It's just like no one can use the internet for a day. Yeah. It's like, ugh. So that needs to just go away and die in a fire. And it's very exciting. 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