 Hey and welcome to the Vergecast for the what is going on with my hair. What is happening? It really is like if I keep my head in this position, it's okay. Yeah, I think it works. It's like a serious way. Welcome to the Vergecast for the week of March 17th, 2014. I'm Josh Dupulsky. I'm Dieter Bohn. I'm David Pierce. And I know what you're thinking. Where is Katie and TC? Why isn't the wine cast going down? TC might be dead. Is that possible? TC is, well, Katie made a lot of threats. A lot of threats. Oh, I see his cowboy hat turned out to be alive. I just got an email on my Asha 210. I get pop up notifications. Is that even a thing that's possible? Wow. That is a notification. Can you get emails on your Asha 210? Pretty cool, right? Let me view it right now on the cool mail app. I will say I even... Just let me load that up. Just loading up the mail app. This really does make me want a yellow phone really bad. Yellow phones are where it's all happening. Here it is. Here's my email. Just loading. Still loading. Asha 210 is not fast. Okay, anyhow. But how many Sims do you have? At least two. At least two. I'm living the international lifestyle. You're a man of mystery. I'm a man of international dual Sim citizenry. If somebody is like, Josh, you're needed in Dubai right now. I'm like, I'm there. I'm there. I'll just pop my Dubai Sim in and call it a day. Not even a problem. Or my Dubai Sim may already be in there. You don't know. I may have just come back from Dubai. Anyhow, this is the Vergecast where we discuss the week and items that we're interested in talking about. That's right. I'm in Dubai. I'm in Dubai. My travels. Dubai, New Mexico, whatever. Actual Mexico. Actual Mexico. Old Mexico. Old Mexico, I guess is what it would be. Because actual would be like, it would be what is fake Mexico in actual Mexico. What if there were an English settlement in old Mexico? It would be ye olde Mexico. Ye olde Mexico. Ye olde. That's definitely a place in Vegas. I'm just going to throw that out there. Or new would have an E on the end of it. Right. New. Anyhow, a lot of people are like, I don't know. I'm going to throw that out there. A lot of stuff to talk about this week. A lot of things to discuss. I got to tell you, this is an exciting Vergecast for reasons that I can't tell you yet. May decide to not tell you. We'll see. We're just winging it. I just heard Ross laugh. He's like, oh God, don't do this to me. Anyhow, but sorry, I'm just checking on my hair and trying to figure out if it's- Just take your time. You do what you got to do. By the way, business cash, Thursday cash going on. Thursday cash. Is that a thing? I'm just like so whatever. You know what I mean? Yes, that is. Am I quoting Avril Lavigne? You just don't even care? Yes, I am quoting Avril Lavigne. As you should. A Canadian goddess, if there ever was one. Am I right? No. Minnesota. No. What's the Minnesota- Duck duck gray duck, man. Duck duck gray duck forever. Minnesota Canada connection. It's the weather, right? Yeah. Have you heard of this duck duck gray duck instead of duck duck goose? Sure. That is nonsense. Yeah, everybody knows that. I've never heard that. Okay, thank you. If you look at it, duck duck what? Everywhere in America, except for Minnesota, they play duck duck goose, this insane game that is clearly inferior to what we play in Minnesota, which is duck duck gray duck. Duck duck gray duck. Yeah. So it's like you're a duck, you're a duck, you're a duck, but your color is gray. Yeah, but no, with duck duck goose, you're just like much more complex. Duck duck goose, whatever. Yeah, we can handle- Wow, look at this. Look at this. Yeah, see? Isn't this crazy? Because you can go yellow duck, blue duck. So there is a Canadian. There is a Canadian connection though to that, right? Yeah. That's probably what they do. What about in Canada? Do we know? I think that it's just goose in Canada. It's just goose, goose, goose, goose, goose. Just goose. It's like a goose, goose, a. Then you run. Then you run. Yeah. And then you apologize afterwards. Sorry about that. So anyhow, so a lot to talk about this week. A lot to talk about. Let's just start with what I consider to be one of the most exciting pieces of news I've heard in a while. Christian Bale may be the next Steve Jobs. Well, it's like we're like six steps away from maybe. On film. It's like it might possibly potentially maybe be considered. The wrap had a story today which is that Fincher is like, Christian Bale is my only choice to play Steve Jobs in my not officially announced, maybe is not happening but is happening. Wait, so all we know, we know the movie is happening. Sony produced biopic. Right. And we know Sorkin is writing it. Those are the only things we know for sure. Do we know that for sure? Is that on paper? Is that a fact? That's a fact. I think we think it's going to be like three scenes surrounding. Oh, right. Around like launch event. The launch event. That's an old, that's an old rumor, isn't it? Yeah, it is. No, but Sorkin has said that. So that's true. Okay. That is true. This is what this is. Listen, I can tell already this is what people pay their Virgcast money for this conversation. Let me just lead this discussion by saying that I think this is a mistake. Why? No, that's the. Here's what I'll say. After seeing him in American Hustle, which I just watched. He's so good in that movie. Surprised, very surprised by his the depth. And I feel like nobody talks about him being in that movie. He's the star of the movie. Yeah, I feel like it's not really. So here's the thing. Like Christian Bale can do angry Steve Jobs just fine. Like here's, you know, he can freak out on people and that needs to happen. But does he have a reality distortion field? Does he inspire like love and hope? Have you seen American Hustle? That's like a hundred percent what he does in American Hustle. There is a, yes, I would say he has a soft spot. That's his whole character. I feel like the look is there. I feel like this works, you know? Yeah, wow. Seeing them side by side. That's actually culture on the left, right? He can act. This guy can act. Bale can act and he'll lose weight. He'll gain weight. You know, Jobs had huge. He didn't even care. But Jobs, when he got sick, he had huge weight fluctuations. In the 90s and in the early 2000s, he was actually kind of heavy. You know, there's like a period where, so that's like, we know Christian Bale can just jam on that no problem. Machinist. Machinist, he looks insane in it, right? So you know, it's kind of a bummer to talk about, but that if you need someone to get sick, to look like they're really, truly sick on film, Christian Bale's your man. He's like, how much weight do I need to lose? Give me 20 minutes. He's like, original birth weight, no problem. I'm there. I have intense and angry, but I don't know. I have intense and angry, but I don't know. Eight pounds, six ounces, I'll buy a Monday. But he's like, he's compelling in part because he's so often inscrutable. And I don't think that Steve Jobs is inscrutable. He wears his heart on his sleeve and I don't think I can get that out of him. No, I can see it. I can totally see it. I'm completely, now that they've said that, if it's anybody else, I'm going to be very upset and disappointed. And I'll probably go crazy. Who else? Noah Wiley. Is anybody else even out there as a possibility? Noah Wiley. Well, that would be an interesting, here's the problem though. He's not going to carry, they're not going to put Noah Wiley in the Fincher, Sorkin written jobs. You just can't carry a movie like that. They need star power. You know what would be great? Tom Cruise. Can we get a picture of Tom Cruise next to an old picture of Steve Jobs? I don't know. I mean, I think it could work, honestly. Tom Cruise. Christian Bale's in the right. Horrible human, pretty good actor. No, he's a great person and a great actor. My personal friend, Tom Cruise. That's right. What? You get their pals. I hung out with Cruise. Oh, that's right. Cruise missiles, I refer to him. I bet he likes that a lot. He was great. One of the greatest people I've ever met in my entire life. Did he leap on couches? You don't understand. I've told this story before, but many years ago I started, I really hadn't seen that many Tom Cruise movies. I started talking about, because here's the thing about Tom Cruise. In a lot of social circles, Tom Cruise gets some guff. You were just a terrible person, great actor or something. There we go. Totally, totally could play him. Yeah, this could actually work. I'm feeling very good about Tom Cruise in that role. Very good. By the way, he's got a vulnerability. Have you seen him in Magnolia? He does. Incredible performance. It's true. Anyhow, so many years ago- Good crier, Tom Cruise. Many years ago, pre-Magnolia, which is one of my favorite movies, and he's excellent in it. Paul Thomas Anderson, by the way, you should check it out. If you haven't seen it, it's three and a half hours. I used to factor my long plane rides by going, well, this is like two Magnolias. So anyhow, I had this kind of running joke that people would be like, oh, Tom Cruise. And I'd be like, yeah, I think he's great. He's actually my favorite actor. And then it turned into I started really getting into Tom Cruise and watching his films. And then it was like, I became fairly obsessed with Tom Cruise and excited. If he was on a talk show, I would stay up to tune in. Well, not stay up, but I would make sure to tune in. Stay up way past your bedtime. If a film of his was on TV, I would definitely watch it. And then finally, I got to totally hang out with him backstage at late night, which was truly the pinnacle of my existence as a human. Better than having a baby. I remember how excited you were. It was the birth of my child and then having a conversation with Tom. And he like legit, anyhow, I don't want to go into, but he like came into the dressing room and like talked about books with me and Laura for like 10 minutes. Is he a reader? It was insane. I could see him being a reader. He was reading- I'm sorry, I was a cheap shot. No, we were talking about the series that he was really into called the, I think it's called the Lensman, which is like a 1920, no, no, it's like from the 1920s, the Lensman series. Yeah. It's a space opera written by Edward Elmer Doc Smith. And yeah, it was first published in 1937. He started writing these stories. Anyhow, he was like talking about how he wanted to do, he wanted to use like, he had, he said insane things that only a Tom Cruise type person would say. He said things like, I'm trying to convince Ron Howard to make a movie. Wow. Which is just like a con, he says that all the time to people. I was like, that's nuts. Anyhow, he was a lovely man. It's gotta be weird to be Tom Cruise. I just, just, I just want to spend more time with Tom Cruise. Is he as short as everyone says he is? You know, he didn't seem that short to me. I'll be honest with you. I'm a tall guy. I'm six foot four. I'm very tall. He did not strike me as that short. What are we listening to here? He just had such a commanding presence. Oh my God. Yes. So great. Tom Cruise is awesome. This could actually totally work. Tom Cruise is so great. What are we watching here? What is this? Top, top something, Tom Cruise. Top 10 Tom Cruise moments. I mean, by the way, it could totally play Steve Jobs. I mean, that kind of looked like Steve Jobs. Yeah, totally. Totally. He's got the intensity. He's got the vulnerability. He could yell at you. Now that I've thought of this, I actually feel Christian Bale is a poor substitute. Poor substitute for Tom Cruise. That would be crazy. Fincher, if you're watching, which I know you are because you're a huge Verge cast fan, David Fincher. First of all, hey. Starts out high again. Thank you. Second, think about Tom Cruise for that. Okay. I kind of want Christian Bale and David Fincher to make a movie together though. Maybe not this one. They've made, have they not made a movie together? No. Oh, I guess you're right. I guess you're right. Anyhow, we spend far too much time talking about Tom Cruise. That's impossible. Okay. Somebody just got surprised. I just got a tweet, hot tweet coming in. They did not know I was six foot four. Also, there was a suggestion, McConaughey. No. Terrible. I don't know. I could see it. He could kind of do anything at this point. He's got a lot of range. I'd give it to him. He'd be good. He'd be good for the parts where Steve Jobs is a total wreck, like a complete maniac. The other problem is you can't make Matthew McConaughey not extraordinarily handsome. Christian Bale pulled off being fat, but fat Matthew McConaughey would still be a pretty good looking dude. That's a problem. Anyhow, sorry Matthew McConaughey. The whole story is we don't know the tail end of it yet, but that's very interesting. Yeah. I mean Fincher apparently wants Bale to play Jobs. Which is such a power move. He's like, you know this huge budget movie you're making. I will only do it if you give me everything I want. Just put anybody with a beard, Steve Jobs. Well, he's got facial hair, so I guess that's good work. I mean, it could work. It's like a good looking guy with a beard. So Sony, I'm available. You know, one more thing. He's a good yeller. I've heard of this guy. I know it for sure. What? Oh yeah. Good yeller. Yeah. And cry, cry a lot. I was going to say, are you a good crier? Doesn't really work. I mean the glasses are, yeah, thanks. The glasses, not seeing it so much. Although, you know, Jobs actually had kind of a nose on him. Like when you look at that, it's sort of kind of big. I mean, have you considered growing your hair out a lot? Not about the hair though. Yeah. Well, I actually, my hair is getting longer now. I'm actually thinking about growing it like a little bit longer. Just really going for it. I'm thinking about going for like a full on beautiful mane that I can throw back into a pony or a mini pony. Are you just call it a pony? Or like a bun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just going to call it a pony. Can we get a shot? Can I see a picture of either Christian Bale or Johnny Depp with like a little bit of a ponytail because that's what I'm going for. Or Jared Leto, I think has had mini, been rocking a pony at some point recently. That's my emulator. Jared Leto can wear a pony. I'm trying to find pictures of you from when I first met you at the launch of the, it was super long, at the launch of the Centro, I believe it was. Oh my God. Centro launch. I remember that. That was a shit show. Deeter's whole life is just measured by launches of web OS devices. That was when I, who was it? Ed Colligan. I like mobbed Ed Colligan. It was like, Hey, I want to do an interview with you. And he was like, contact my people there. Right boom, right there. That's my new shit. That's Josh DePoloski. There I am. Except, except super duper beautiful and good looking. Anyhow. Should we talk about watches? Android wear. This is a huge deal. This is a huge deal for me on several levels, but Android wear. So Google had this like what seemed like a totally, I don't know, like really bad way to roll out this thing. It's like one day we're sitting around and then one minute later, like, Oh, like where it's one, it's regular life. And then a minute later, like, Hey, we've created a like a totally new version of Android to run on watches and wearable. It was also super weird. There you go. Zach Galifianakis of steel jobs. That's great. It's perfect. But what if you lost a bunch of weight? Could work. I could see it. I could see it. Same piercing gaze. They're just looking into your soul. Right now. They're just looking at things. No, but the weird thing was we were at South by last week. Yeah. That's not by Southwest, Southwest. So there are pitch South by if you're, you know, in the no, which is cool if you're not, but we were at South by last week and soon to our pitch. I is on stage doing an interview. Head of Android and Chrome. He's like the guy in charge of all this stuff. And he sort of, he said that there was going to be like API's and stuff so that Android can work with wearable devices. It's coming soon. We're going to release some like a little update, like a point update to Android. Can include to me about it that the guy who was interviewing him, John Battelle had to literally point out in to the audience and be like, Hey guys, this is news. Yeah. And he was so like, it just wasn't even a thing. And then they're just like, so this is, so this changes. So here it is. This is, and it was, it was a vomit on the internet. This is Android where it's like, it's like, it's like it went up and then all of a sudden all these manufacturers like LG, Motorola, H did HTC say they're doing this? They said they're very excited about something or other. They announced them as a partner, but they haven't actually said anything. So it's obviously can be a square or circular interface. And here's, what's bugging me, it's driving me insane about the circular interface is that it has this little line at the bottom, which, which, well, that's just that device. No, but no, but I mean like, no, it's showing it here on the demo. It's showing every one of the demos is square. It also shows it on the demo here. You can see it shows the little line, which is insane. They're showing a lot of square. They did show some circular. Well, the demo is the circular demo they're showing is the Motorola watch. That's the only circular one we've seen. Yeah. Yeah. But so let me just say, so anyhow, long and short is this interface looks really good and looks totally like what I would want and have expected, but Motorola showed off this, this device called the Moto 360 and it is a circular, looks like a regular metal watch. It's very big. It's 46 millimeters, which is pretty big, although not comparatively to like a lot of compared to like your watch right there. This is probably a, I think this is like a 42. Okay. So it's a little bigger, but not, you know, you get used to it. It's weird because I used to have a, I always thought like, Oh, I want a smaller watch like, like a Rolex Explorer. I don't know if you ever seen one, not that I can afford a Rolex Explorer, but they have a, it's like a 36. Right. And I was like, yeah, that's about the size I want. But when you look at it, it actually now kind of looks like a little small. It looks like a small, it looks like a small watch. And so, so watches have been getting progressively bigger. 46 is big, but it's not ridiculous. What I will say is, it looks awesome. Yeah, it does. The interface looks awesome. The, I mean, the watch looks, it's not the exact watch that the face that I would, the, the watch design that it's plain. It's very basic, which is fine. I'm not complaining about that, but the whole concept looks great. And I'm like really excited about it. I mean, Motorola has a history of making circular displays. They made the aura. I mean, I definitely talked, I think there may be a verge cast or several where I'm like, Motorola made the aura. Why don't they just take that display and put it on a watch? I mean, kind of what they did. Yeah, kind of what they did. I was looking at Auras on eBay recently, like before this stuff. It was such a cool phone. Like, so, and look, it's like they were big on like the clock for the, no, no, no. We had all kinds of crazy clock stuff. Yeah. So, so this is a really cool development. I think like the question is, can they execute on it? Can they pull off this, this breathtaking design and also have a good interface and have it work with your device and battery life and well, battery life is a big one. Yeah. I mean, I really, I would argue the biggest thing. Like that's ultimately the thing that matters the most, especially these are like, yeah, like that's, I, I'm willing to charge it once a day. Like I will go that far. This is really driving me insane. This line at the bottom, there's like a little line. Yeah. When I was about to get on the phone with Jim Wicks, I was sitting in a meeting with Jordan and Billy, two of our video directors and they both were like, you have to ask him about the line. So they're saying it's a square interface and that's so it's cutting off the bottom. Well, the interface will work both circles. Like Google designed it to work in either case. So why do, why doesn't it just fill in the color of whatever is in that part with the, you know, I feel like this is an interface. I think that the display stops there. It's not like that. Why would the display stop there? No, I mean then it wouldn't be a round display. Yeah. Then how do you do a clock? Is the display fully round? Can we see the clock, can we see the clock face close up the watch face that the Motorola shows? It's like a black watch face. It just looks like a watch. I'm pretty sure it takes up any second now. Can we get, yeah, that takes up the whole screen. No, there's also, they show a person wearing it with the watch face in one of these images. I think the one just above this, no, no. I see that. Can you scroll up though? I want to see the, um, yeah. Can you zoom in on that image? Yeah. You see like the hand is there. It is, you can see it in this, in the, um, in the other one as well. But so, so they can go full screen. It's not the display. Yeah. That is, that goes all the way down there. You can see, I guess this one's better yet. Yeah. It's all the way to, no, no, no. It's not cut off. I told you. Go back to that. Zoom in again. Screen stops. Wow. This is a shocking revelation. Why? That makes no sense. Why is it doing that? Physics, man. Oh my God. What if, Hey, what if I'm about to blow your mind super hard right now? What if that's a small solar strip under the glass? It's solar. And so it's getting recharged. So on the hangout, Jim, how else would you, how else would you have USB port? We're not talking about how it's charging, but it's really exciting. It's part of our special. Think about it. It's the face of the watch exposed all day long to light. We were talking about this the other day about whether they're going to do motion or something for how to charge it. Or maybe it's a combo. It's like motion. And I mean, anyhow, well, wait, what? The back's purple. Well, inductive charging is one thing, but like you got to, that's fine. You don't, you want this thing to last all day and beyond, right? Yeah. Well, and it's like, it's a, you know, there are a million reasons that it seems like it might not like it's, it's a lot of years, not super thick. It's a lot of LCD screen, which means usually bad things. It's a lot of stuff for it. It's on no lead. No, it's weird that they didn't go with OLED. Yeah. I don't totally know why that is. Probably probably because you can't see it in and you can't see it in daylight. That too. We know basically, I mean it's gotten better, but anyhow, I'm excited. I'm really excited. Here's the thing. So they're not the only people who can make a watch. Anybody can make a watch using this, this interface. Yep. It is like plays on Google now, which is, has been great. I actually feel like Google has made Google now a little bit less good recently. Like they've changed some of the ways that it works. Did you see the thing they added yesterday? No. What's that? Okay. Google take a picture. Why would you do that? I don't know. So take a photo. It might, I mean, so I asked. Okay Google take a photo. What's the point of this? When I talked to Jim Wicks, the motorist head of design, I asked specifically about a camera. I was like, why didn't you include a camera? People seem to like it and he got very cagey and was like, well, you haven't seen everything that we're doing. And then this happens. I'm like, well maybe that's the answer. No, but that's great. But like I don't need my watch to take a photo. I think it's a terrible idea. But every, like the, the Galaxy Gear, it's like the most popular thing about it is people taking weird pictures with it. Why? I don't get it. I don't understand. I mean, I'd much rather have a real decent camera and a smartphone. Yeah. So anyhow, I'm excited about the interface. I'm excited about the possibility. I will say everybody was like, they're just showing off. These are all just demos. These are like, these aren't real things, but they did a, was it Jim Wicks who did a, a, a hangout with somebody and he actually has a device and you can see him fast scrolling through. So, so there is something. I don't think these guys are, this is just vaporware. They released an SDK and it works like we can, we can look at it. So what is this? Right. Actually we, I don't think we did a story on it. Do we do a story on that? Oh, we're doing, we're working on something. Okay. Yeah. But I think we have it. We can actually show some of this up. This is live right here. Oh, this is a live demo right here. So the way it works is like there's, there's a home screen and you can tap on the G button to do voice inputs or you can say, okay, cool. But it doesn't work. Oh, right. Oh, right. So it's the SDK. If you swipe up, that sort of like brings in your notifications. Okay. Let's see this. And maybe I should, there are no notifications. Are you going to, this is Evan is running this. I'm going to say. Exciting. Although this is extremely boring. Now presumably this would be like a nice watch face that a third party right developed for the, for the lock screen. Yeah. Yeah. And so you can swipe up. It's not cut off. So they are doing, they're cutting it off for a reason. So open that message. What happened? So when you open a message, you can, there's, there's basically swipe up is open the message. Swipe down is go down to back to the home screen. If you swipe to the left, it gives you options to interact with it. Like reply. So if like you can mark as red, you can reply. So it's kind of like a little bit like the Google glass interface. Yeah. And then if you swipe it to the right, it dismisses it and it also dismisses it on your phone. Oh, that's awesome. The fact that it syncs back is huge because that's the thing I hear about most smart watches, especially like, it doesn't do a good job. So that's syncing. That's not syncing to Evan's phone. That's just coming through on Hangouts. Well, it's, it's because it's the SDK. It's like, you know, right. Janky. Yeah. So it, but the idea is that it'll sync back to your phone. Right. Yeah. So the whole thing, the whole thing, there's no like native apps on it, at least not yet. It's all notifications and stuff. But presumably they'll, presumably you're going to be able to make apps for, they will have like right now it's very simple. I mean, you send like detailed notification information, like directions on maps or whatever, but you can play music on it. Well, right. This is, this feels like totally like the future. Well, so the fact that it's circular just feels like really cool if they can pull this off and it gets, it runs well and has okay. Battery life. Like even as a display is like a little, like what's the resolution of the display? Do we know? We don't know. They're not talking about it. Even if it's like they're really reluctant to talk about it. They said this is going to be out in the summer. Yeah. So that's really soon. Well, LG is a summer. Is this one for sure? No, I think Motorola said summer. Okay. So that's really soon. Yeah. Right. Now presumably. I mean, but it's working. Like they clearly have a thing that's working. So they must be in the phase of just tweaking. When is, when is, when is Google IO? It's usually June. It's like June. Okay. So we're going to see, we're going to hear an announcement. I'm guessing that, you know, in Google, in the Google IO package, they always give to all the developers there. Did you hear that for Google IO, it's now like a random lottery for developers? Yeah. It's like first come first serve and it sells out in a minute. It's a lottery. I think so. Um, so I think that, uh, I think that, uh, we're obviously going to see a bunch of devices there or at least like very fully functioning devices. My guess is they're going to have a developer. They're going to, there's going to be some, here's the developer platform, right? Like a nexus five. No, but I think they're going to do that, but they're also going to roll out like the app store at IO. Right. That's what I would hope. They're going to be like, these things are out now. And also here are all the apps. I am not confident there's going to be an app store for the watch. I am not a hundred percent confident. It's not going to just be Google now on your wrist with these, uh, you know, super notifications that it sends. I don't know. It feels like they've talked pretty explicitly about one on third party developers to make apps for it. Yeah. But there's a phone that like pushed off to it. Like the thing, the question is, will this thing exists separate from your phone? Right. Or is this like, I think it's, I think it's like, it's like glass, it's a peripheral. Well, also it's kind of like notifications. I mean, notifications actually can be pretty robust on Android. Right. So you can do a lot with a notification. You can reply in a notification. You can like share from a notification. You do all kinds of things that are like really useful. Notifications just work on it right now. It's that you can do more if you want to. Right. I mean, I'm just saying like beyond Google now, my guess is it'll tap into the notification system of Android, which is like its most powerful system. Yeah. If you ask me. Yeah. No, I agree. I find that I interact with the note in it. Yeah. I find that my notifications are so constant and they're so easy to interact with that I'm like almost, that's my application switcher. Like that's how I get around the phone. It's really interesting. Even just little things like being able to archive an email from the notification. Yeah. It's amazing. Look at this. What's going on here? This is a dude talking to developers on how to make stuff talk to Android wear. So exciting. It's very exciting. So I guess it works with Android 4.3 and up. Okay. So the other thing I think is really cool about this is that it's, they're talking about how it interacts with Chromecast, which is going to be, it's going to be a remote for Chromecast. Here's the thing. I was messing with the Chromecast the other night. I have one in my bedroom. So awesome. I keep buying them. But here's what's crazy. It's $35. I'll take another one. But here's what's crazy about the Chromecast. Like how many TVs do you have? It's the best selling thing on Amazon. Okay. But here's the single best selling electronic. That doesn't make any sense. But here's the thing. But here's the thing that I don't understand with Chromecast. Like why can't they just build in a airplay like function for like if I have a video, like if I shot a video of my baby, which I've done. Yeah. I watch it in my, in my Android phone and I want to watch and I have like video playback and I want to watch it on the Chromecast, whether I'm in the photos app at the gallery app, there's no way to do it. There is no, there's no, there's no native tab. You can have no tab for there's an app now that's called all cast. All cast does it. All cast does it. But like what I'm saying is that should be something that's natively built into any, well any place you can play video on your device, it should say like, okay, not third party apps, but like if you have video on your device. Cause that's the best thing. And even third party apps, then it's like airplay. But my understanding, I mean, I think the thing is that because it's not streaming from the device, there's no way for it to happen. Right. I mean, you have to have an intermediary, which is what all cast is. Right. Right. But I mean, and that's the best thing about airplay is that it's just built in everywhere. No, that's the thing. If you play anything, it just works. No, no. It's incredible. Like when you, I mean, that's like, it's brilliant on an Apple device when you have like, oh, I'm watching this in my ABC app or I'm doing, I don't know if ABC does it, but I'm a bunch of them do. It's just like, oh, you know what? Just throw it over to my TV. Or if I'm watching a video that I have, like that I, you know, saved to the device or whatever, just watch it. It's just like totally seamless. Like they have not gotten that at all. If they could get something, if they could just create their own in an intermediary on the device, that's like play to Chromecast or whatever. I don't know. But I think they'll get there. And I think the watch is actually like the perfect remote for all of this because like, and you know, we're talking, everybody's talking about the claims that the Chromecast doesn't have the processing power to push those kinds of, push those kinds of pixels. And they also called you bro. And he called me bro. So kind of, he just ruined his argument. I have two conspiracy theories about why Android Wear got announced this week. One is they wanted to, they knew that they waited until IO that it would either leak or Apple would announce something ahead of them. That's definitely the most obvious one. Second one is the Gear Fit, which seems like one of the better wearables out there right now just got announced at 199 bucks. It's on pre-order. What is it? The Gear Fit. But it runs Tizen. So instead of like letting Samsung sell a single one of these, they're like, you know what? We're going to announce this right now. So nobody buys. It's a pretty harsh diss from Google to Samsung. Well, I mean, Samsung switched to Tizen, so screw them. But also like, yeah, I mean, so here's how Google feels. So here's the question. Samsung's a partner for Android Wear. Yeah. So do you think that- Well, that's why Samsung's the best. They're like, we're going to make everything. Whatever. Do you think, do you think- Shut up. That's a Samsung guy. Do you think that somebody like a company like Pebble will adopt, I guess they won't because they want to be OS agnostic? Yeah. Yeah. Although, you know, it's not compatible. I mean, but on some level, like, I don't see how- It's not compatible with my Tizen phone. Unless this is terrible, unless Android Wear is terrible, which is there's a non-zero chance of it being terrible. Very well could be. So I actually asked- Unless it's terrible, I don't see how Pebble survives. Like, why would anyone buy a Pebble if this works at all? Well, we just actually ran a story. We just ran a story. They sold 400,000 smartwatches. He's not actually a smartwatch. He's not actually that worried about it. Really? Yeah. I mean, I asked him, point blank. And he's like, you know, at least now we've got something to directly compete with. I mean, I guess Pebble is like a small enough company that- They don't need to be- Right. They don't need to sell 100 million of them to be successful. 400,000 is plenty. Yeah. That's a big number. And if they can keep it cheaper than whatever these things cost, and presumably they will, that might help. I don't know. 249 for the Pebble Steal is like not cheap. What happened? What's happened that, sorry, that we have a situation that I'm just reading about here amongst our staff members that Evan Rogers and Nathan Seichert have their V card has merged. Yes, that happened to me. Where are you reading this? Evan just sent an email to our entire staff titled, I am not Nathan Seichert. Well, I'm confused. And then Laura like trolled him and now I'm really confused. Yeah. That just happened to me. No, I think it happened to him. Well, it happened to somebody. I tried to send him a text for our little demo of- It happened one night. With Android Wear and it went to Nathan Seichert. Very, very unusual and upsetting. Good thing I'm not sinking any of that information into my mainframe. From now on, if anybody sends me a V card, I'm not stopping. My intranet. V card. Anyhow. Don't laugh at V cards, bro. My intranet is solved. It's fine. Oh my God. Anyhow. Nobody's getting into my intranet. No one will ever break into your intranet. No. Say it on my- Okay. So anyhow, Android Wear. So let's just say it's a very exciting development. Let's hope- I'm kind of pissed because I'm going to end up buying like a lot of these. I just want one decent- Like look, God, it better be as good as it- They're showing it. I hope it's good. If it's terrible, I'm going to be very- If it stinks, I'm going to be so upset. Yeah. Let's hope it's good. Yeah. I think it's going to be good. It'll be good. I was talking with somebody about this the other day and this makes real problems for Apple now because they used to- Does it though? No, but Apple's whole move was always like, this industry exists. We're going to come in and make it great and beautiful and functional. No, that's what they'll do. They're going to go- That's what Google just did. No, no, no, no. They're going to go, no. They're going to go with Google because their PR message was really confusing and random. Look, Apple's going to do this. If they have- They're also going to put it on sale, really. Well, yeah. They're going to put it on sale immediately. If they have an event, Apple's going to do- If they have a device and they're going to have an event for it, which I believe they probably will- Well, there's been all these rumors they're going to do a TV thing in April, right? It sounds like they're going to have- Would they do this then? Yeah. Well, I don't know. I wonder. But they're going to have a health device. Or maybe like a WWDC. A health device of some type. Yeah. I don't know if you've been seeing all this. Yep. I don't know. It's a health book. I don't know. I don't think that many people care enough about their health for that to make sense. It like measures your heartbeat. I don't care. I don't really care that much about my heartbeat. But anyhow, so- I'm fine. They're just going to do an event. They're going to say- That's not how they think I'm doing it. They're going to say- Now, of course, Jobs is the master of this and they are trying hard to replicate it. But they'll get up and they'll say, here's what- Everybody's talking about wearables. Everybody's talking about these devices you wear on your wrist. And they're going to make fun of all these other guys. Here's what the competition is doing, here's Samsung, this is like they're going to make fun of it. The display doesn't even go the right way. When you try to look at it, they're going to put the gear fit up. Then they'll show Andrew, they'll say, Google announced these. There's no real products yet, but they say something's coming in the future. And they're going to say, what is that? This is all junk. We figured it out. He's going to pull up his short sleeve. Yeah. He's going to- Yeah. Right. Now, what if he opens his shirt and it's a necklace? No. It's dependent. He pulls open his deep V. Well, Johnny Ive won't- He just dips it down. Johnny Ive won't be on stage because of his crushing stage fright. But- I have stage fright. But no, it's fine. Look, you know what? I'm afraid right now. I'm terrified. You ain't Johnny Ive. Okay, my man? That's true. You get Johnny Ive money, your stage fright should go away. Getting that guy to help you. At any rate- Your stage fright guy? Your stage fright guy. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody needs one of those. Just get just doped up. Just be like, shoot me up with whatever. Put me out there. That's what I do. So they're gonna say like they figured they cracked it, they figured it out, they got the awesome. And maybe they do. I don't know. Apple might have an amazing device. But like what would they do that would make you more excited than this? Other than have a thing I can buy tomorrow? I mean- Have something that works with an iPhone? Well- I mean, somebody's gonna- Fair. If Google doesn't make the Android work with an iPhone, somebody will hack it to make it happen. Well, it is that- I would jailbreak- Presumably it doesn't- In a heartbeat. Presumably it doesn't work. No, I would hack the- I should jailbreak it anyway. The watch. Right. Well, my guess is couldn't they create an app that communicates via Bluetooth? I mean, Pebble does. Presumably, yeah. I mean, it's a Pebble. Right. Is that what Pebble does? Yeah. But it's way- Pebble is so much more interesting and accessible if you use an Android phone. Well, there's more apps to do more weird stuff with the iPhone. It kind of does what it does in that sense. Well, and it's the same sort of notifications things where- But imagine- On iOS, you don't get- But imagine a native device that plugs into the core features of iOS. And then that's the Apple device, right? If it does all that stuff. I mean, so notifications on a watch are super important. I would want to see Apple get notifications right on the phone before I trust them to put notifications on my wrist. Oh, yeah. No, their notifications are absolutely terrible. Yeah. They're absolutely pathetically bad. Yeah. By comparison. I actually was like- I was using my phone today. Good story. What? I was using my phone. Wow. No, it might have been while I had the- Was it your Asha phone? Was it your Asha phone? Was it your Asha phone? Was that the Asha phone? Yeah, no, not my Asha. I was using my Sony, which is- How many SIM cards were you using at the time? How many cameras on that phone? There were four, at least four SIM cards. Your speeds were outrageous. No, but I was actually- Also feeds. I was using the phone. I was moving from whatever thing to thing. I actually had this moment where I was like, I love the way this function. I was like, this is great. I can't believe what this thing is doing. It's such an amazing device. I have to say, I do have that- Every once in a while, I have that sensation of like, my God, this is so crazy that this thing does all of the stuff that it does. And it's a really cool, exciting feeling to have. I have to say, the last time I was using my iPhone, I did not have- The feeling was the opposite. It was like, why are you doing this? That is a great point, actually, about getting the notifications right on the phone before they try to get them right on a- But at least an interruptive or very basic notification on a watch does make a little bit more sense. But people are saying, the rumor is like, is that what Apple wants to do? The rumor is this is like a health device. It's not about getting notifications and controlling your Apple TV or whatever. Well, I'm surprised that nobody has really done a good job of trying to combine those two things yet. Because there's clearly a market for- Yeah, I mean, you're wearing both right now, right? You're wearing a Fitbit and a watch. It's cool, but it's like a fashion. I look like I'm wearing a- Bangles? Yeah, a bangle. You're a pretty cool guy. Does bangles the right word? I look like I'm in the bangles. Bangles is the right word. No, I agree. I agree. Wow. I tried to search the internet for bangles and it ended up searching my computer instead and I've got some bangles in my computer. I don't know what that means. You have bangles music? Yeah. Is Lisa responsible for this at all? You want to listen to some Eternal Flame right now? I kind of do. Always. I helped out my uncle. I backed up some stuff for him and I still have it here. Classic story. I helped out my uncle and now there's a bunch of bangles. Music. You're welcome, Bruce. On my computer. Uncles. That was a weird kind of threatening gun cocking motion you just made towards the screen. All right, anyhow, so we don't know what Apple's going to do. Android Wear is here, but not a real product yet, but they're saying by the summer. Let's move on. Let's talk about VR. Project Morpheus. Project Morpheus. Which is the greatest name of anything ever. Well, it's a good name. No, it's the perfect name. What's a better name? Name a better name for virtual reality. Virtual reality and Project NEO. Project Trinity. That's like the title of the show. Project Trinity. By the way, I know Morpheus is not from the Matrix, but my assumption is... It's also like Dreaming. Right, my assumption is that that was the touchstone on this one. Yeah. Because you do jack in on it. Yeah. Into it, whatever. So this is Sony. Sony has created a VR headset. It looks like the thing from the future. It looks like this is the thing that's on the cover of the William Gibson novel from 1985. They did new art and this is the cover. It looks super duper futuristic. I mean, I kind of feel like this is what I've always assumed the eventual Oculus Rift would look like. Yeah. Of course, you want to see the thing downsize. So we have done some reports on this. And the word on the street from our dudes seems to be... Can we run the demo footage? Seems to be this thing is a contender. I don't know why. I feel like this should be in the hero. What's great about this is that this wasn't some demo, some janky demo where they're running it off a PC and who knows, it's prototype, whatever. They're running it right on a PlayStation 4. I have actually not watched this video. This could work. I have been so busy this week, I have not watched the video. It's so cool. It does full tracking so you can turn your head and it uses the tools that are already on the PlayStation 4, the eye toy or whatever the heck. It definitely looks a lot more comfortable than the Oculus, the way it goes around. It doesn't have the thing that goes all the way around your ears and stuff. And they're big on the fact that it's weighted to balance better on your face. So this combination with the Move, is that what these things are called? The Move? Yeah, the PlayStation Move. It's been so long. This combo seems to me pretty incredible. I remember when we played with this on... Where did we do that? Where were we playing with the Move? It was on an On The Verge show one time. It was on On The Verge. You did the Johan Sebastian Joukowski. No, but there was another thing that we did with the Move on an older On The Verge. It might have been on an Engadget show back in the day. It's beard stroke here. I'm just trying to remember, man. Anyhow, but the Move is a really incredible tool but has never been utilized well. This in a VR environment makes total sense to me. Yeah, because that's the thing that sucks about Oculus, right? Is that it's like you can see everything normally but you can't actually do anything. But I think you're going to get into the situation where you've got those guys and it's like, where are my fingers? You're going to want fingers. Yeah. But just think about a sword fighting game. If you can play a sword fighting game and you're holding two swords, this is me usually stop you. I was much more casual. You're a kid. You know, those games. A sword fighting game. A sword fighting game. I'm not just, we'll edit this out in post. Yeah. You guys are gross. But look, is this it here? I mean, it's virtual reality. This is so crazy. What's funny about VR is that how much more real things look when you add the head motion of a normal person to it. Like, this is a regular video game graphic, but when you add that, like that articulation of head motion to it, it starts to like go like, oh, somebody's got a handheld camera and it kind of confuses your brain a little bit. Right. Well, and that it's not spinning. Like when you move in a game using an analog stick, you like spin really fast. This moves at the right pace. It's crazy. Sorry. I'm just taking a sip. So here's what we know. No price. Right. Not this year. No release date. Well, not out this year. Which is like, there's a lot of year left. And meanwhile, and so who knows what's up with this? Meanwhile, Oculus just released their final dev kit. Yep. Look at this. Based on the Crystal Cove. This is what life is all about. Getting out of life and into a virtual reality medieval world where you're battling a dragon. This is it. I'm going to jack in so hard to this and never jack out. I'm done with you. I'm done with the world. I'm going to have like, give me like a feeding tube, a catheter. Good to go. I'm done. Fair enough. Catch you later. See you in the world, the virtual world that I've created. I'm going to create a sick world. This other thing. It's going to be called sick world. Sick world. Yeah. We're going to make a game called sick world. We'll be good sicker. No, like cool sick. Like all the school is like skateboards everywhere. Skateboard and like cool guys and girls just partying. Just skating all the time. All the cubes gleaming. There'll be so many, so much. Cube gleaming. Gleamage that you're not even going to know. You don't know what gleaming the cube is. Let me tell you about gleaming the cube. Are you kidding? Gleaming the cube. Let me tell you about gleaming the cube. Get out. Well, so do you know the story of gleaming the cube? Gleaming the cube is a, is a movie from, I believe the late eighties. Yeah. Starring Christian Slater. Amazing. About skateboarding. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Gleaming the cube is not a terminal, not skateboard terminology created by the writer of the movie or the director because they thought it sounded like a cool skateboarding term. It sounds pretty rad. Gleaming the cube. Yeah. Anyhow. I want to do that with all my friends. The film was rebroadcast on television called, um, uh, for the, we've talked about this in the verge cast before. I know it, it was rebroadcast with a different title, which is called life for the love of a brother or like no revenge of a brother or something. Cause like his brother gets killed and he has to like, he has to like revenge him with his skateboard. Well now I don't want to see it. Is this some scenes, some scenes from gleaming the cube? Could we see some cube gleaming here? Maybe there's, there may be like some actual skaters in this movie by the way. This is a great Tony Hawk. Tony Hawk may be in this movie. Yeah. Tony Hawk should be in every movie. Tony Hawk should be Steve jobs. I actually just made it. Tony Hawk is Steve jobs. I have a friend who, who runs a, uh, a great skateboard company. Yeah. Yeah. It's called scum cone sons. No, I'm serious. They make awesome. They make awesome shit. I'm plugging them now. I've plugged scum cone sons. Totally. I know of our audience is ready for what they, what they have to offer, but a very, very good creative, interesting stuff. But, um, anyhow, but this, are we still gleaming? Oh yeah, here it is. This is maybe the scene here. Hey, gleaming the cube. Boom. Right there. So they just, they were like, is this him? That's him. There he is. He's like, cause, ah man, I'm gleaming the cube. That's my impersonation of Christian. You thought that was him in the film, right? There he is. This totally gleaming. I don't know. Now I kind of want to watch this movie. Yeah. Anyhow. I said, well, smartwatches, where were we talking about? Virtual reality. Virtual reality. So Oculus has got their second dev kit. It gets rid of most of the motion sickness. It's higher resolution. So you're not looking through a screen door. They said it's their last one, right? It's their last one before the consumer thing. And the thing Palmer, like you said, is like, look, we know what we need to do to release a consumer version. Now we just, we're going to do it. We promise. We swear. What does that mean? What does he need to do? Like make it more of a dev kit and make it a real thing. Make lots of them and then sell them for money. The controls, like they're grand unified. How we control virtual reality isn't figured out and I don't think it's going to be by the time they release it, but it's better. It's good. It's still a dev kit. I forget how much it costs. It's like $1,500. I mean, that's kind of why I'm psyched that Sony is doing this because Sony has all of the other pieces around it that will just work. If you have a PlayStation and you buy this thing, it just drops into the system that you have. That's really cool. Like that would make me buy a PlayStation. Because you know what I don't do? Game on my PC. Yeah, no, I'm not. That's the thing. Yeah. I got to say, I'm 50. Why did I think 1500? 350 bucks. What did you say? $100 million. The dev kit too is 350 bucks is coming this July. It's really uncool what's happening over here. I mean, I mean at least Oculus is shipping to real humans. Sony just like something, you know, is showing something off, which Sony is, but Sony's product is going to be, I mean, it's a PlayStation 4. Also looks like it's a product. Yeah. Right. I mean, I don't know if Oculus is going to release their consumer version or if there's going to be a consumer version anytime in the near future. Presumably there will be. I hope there will be. Oh, what is this? Oh, this is from the Engadget Show? Oh yeah, here we go. This is some classic. Look at me without a beard. OG job. That is disturbing and shocking. I got a little bit of something going on there. You can play Steve Jobs. This is like before the move was actually released, I believe. What are you, you're sword fighting. I like, yeah, we are sword fighting. Everybody wants to do it. These things are sword fight. Yeah, I actually do some, that is why I bought a Wii. What am I doing? Yeah. It was a huge disappointment. Look at this. That was cool. I should shave my beard. Oh yeah. I kind of like broke the sense or they were not loving this. Yeah. This seems like it went super great for everybody involved. Just put it in my pocket. Oh yeah. This is what happens is this sword just floats. I put it away and it just floats there. That's classic stuff. I don't know where that Sony logo came from. I think presumably it's gotten slightly better since then. Yeah. Did you see this other thing that, oh, that was even a real. Did you see this other demo that Sony did? Sean did at GDC. So they did an eye tracking demo where like you calibrate it by just looking at a couple of dots and then it will, you can play the video game just by looking at stuff. NSA man. And it's way closer. And so like. They give that data right over to the NSA. That second joystick, you just look at the thing you want to shoot a fireball at and then hit the button. I don't get it. So you can look at it. Why would you want to do that? Because you don't have to steer then. Hand eye coordination is like what drives human innovation. Without that, I'm just like, like, how am I going to, you know, look, oh, Hey, can you make dinner? Like sorry, my, I can't do that anymore because my hand eye coordination is blown because now I just look at things to get them. That's what's going to happen in the future is going to be like, Hey, it's time to prepare. Hey, it's breakfast time. Can you scramble some eggs? And it's like, Nope, because I have no hand eye coordination because I'm used to just going like this all the time. I'm not sure you understand what hand eye coordination is. That's like perfectly like you are able to like look at things and do things with your hand. And now you're just looking at things. Nobody normally here. It's just like he legitimately is just doing this. Just looking at a thing and I was going to look at another thing and this game is apparently awesome. Yeah. And you can aim with pinpoint precision because you just look at the thing you want to shoot at. This would make me so much better at games. Yeah, because the thing I suck at, do you have to move? But they would make the games harder. I don't like this at all because you can never win. They will find new ways. This is cool, but I don't like it. Sorry. This is pretty cool. Look at this guy just shooting that dinosaur. Why are you shooting the dinosaur? What did he do? He's already dead. Leave him alone. It's Sean. Actually I'm like yelling at Sean. Sean, leave that dinosaur alone. Poor dinosaur. Look at this, what is this second son? Yeah. This game looks really stupid. Apparently it's great. Well, you know how I feel. Everybody says it's cool. It seems cool, but I hate it. But I don't like it. It seems cool, but I don't like it. Yeah. All right. Anyhow, so this is an exciting time though. Here's what I'll say about the VR stuff. It's like really happening. Yeah. Maybe it's not going to be another Power Glove situation. It's like really almost happening. Well, no, but I mean- I really want it to happen happen. But really almost happening is a lot better than not happening at all. Yeah. And I feel- that's true. Well said. No, but I feel like with Oculus it was always kind of like a neat idea that was never going to really be huge. And with a company like Sony can do this and make it big. No, they can do it. This is the Sony that Sony needs to be. Yeah. Except they should have done this before Oculus. Yeah. I mean they say they've been working on it for three years. They should have bought Oculus. They should have given Oculus a billion dollars. I bet Microsoft is going to buy Oculus now and be like, oh, see you. Yes, they had a thing. That is serious. And it's already PC compatible. So it's a short walk to paradise. They're in. So on and so forth. Or Sony will buy them, thus making it harder for Microsoft. Maybe Sony will buy Microsoft. Or Oculus won't sell because they got all that cash money. That's true. 75 mil just sitting on it. That's right. I forgot about that. Yeah, you forgot all about their $75 million investment. Those $75 million to Sony. Sony loses 75 million in these seat cushions of their gigantic Hummer. They give it to Justin Bieber every time he walks into their building. Their gigantic Hummer limousine. Because that's what Sony is. I saw Nelly Furtado at the Sony building one time. Really? Fun fact. Nelly Furtado is a fun fact. It's a fun fact. It's a fact. Every time I hear her name, I think of a Furtado is my problem. Nelly Furtado. I was talking about Oculus before. But you know, Furtado just sounds like, if you think about it, I just said it. It sounded like Furtado to me. Yeah. Anyhow, not important, not an interesting point. Not anything that anybody should ever hear somebody say. Also not a fun fact. Did you just check your watch? I got an alert. So, okay. Mr. Smart Watch over here. What do you want? So I was sitting here eating. I got an alert on my Asha, okay? Let me just get to that in several minutes. It was the worst alert ever. We'll be back in four hours. What was it? It was that your L train to Brooklyn is not backed up right now. Womp, womp. That's okay, because you're not going to be on the L train for quite a while. That's right. We got a long night ahead of us. Just get ready. Just get comfortable. No, but that's the thing that sucks about smart watches. I was sitting, having dinner with my parents a couple weeks ago wearing my Pebble, and I kept looking every time I got a notification. And my mom got mad at me. She was like, do you have somewhere to be? Why are you... And I was like, no, I just keep getting emails. It's either that or pull out my phone. But it was deeply offensive that I just kept looking at my watch, being like, I gotta go. Once people get used to the idea that notifications are watches, then the social signal of looking at your watch will no longer be like, when can I get the hell out of here? I guess that's true, but right now that's more offensive than pulling my phone out of my pocket. Really? Josh, what are you doing? I'm going to tweet a photo. I'm going to try to tweet a photo from here. Do you think I can tweet a photo from the Asha? Is there Twitter on the Asha? Yeah, there is actually. 20 minutes while... It's loading right now. Oh my God. Huh? Let's see if I can tweet an Asha photo. It's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. It's like two megapixels, right? It's two megapixels. All right, here we go. That's all you need. Here we go. Tweet. Can I add... Oh my God, I can. This is crazy. This is really good verge casting right now. Listen, this is classic verge casting. All right, I'm just loading my gallery here. This is all I wanted to know about all week. If you were to send me a DM from that, it wouldn't be encrypted. Nailed it. Trying to make a transition while we're waiting. I don't know what that means. Twitter gave up on encrypting direct messages because they got other stuff to do. Yeah, Twitter's like, oh, we're busy. Oh yeah, right. Are we talking about that? Uh-oh, hold on. I need to type out... It's hard to type on a physical keyboard. Is this working? I can't tell if this is working or not. It's loading. I'm going to say the Asha, not for people who are in a hurry. Or for people recording podcasts. If you're in a hurry, don't worry about it. It's cool. These guys are used to this. That should be their slogan, chill out. You see this shot, load the picture. You also definitely just tweeted, cool pic and no picture. No. Retweet. One of the best tweets ever. I got to do a proper retweet. I hate you guys so much. Hold on a second. Thanks a lot, Asha. Everybody, please retweet Josh. Old school retweet in case he deletes it. No, yeah, that's a good point. Come on, man. I'm doing both. I'm not deleting it. Trust me, guys. I'm in for the long haul. Hold on. This is good stuff. We've just created a viral moment here on the Orangecast. I just got there was an error posting your message status as a duplicate. I've already RTUed too many times. What? No, you went too fast. You went too fast. Just wait until you see the pic I'm actually going to post. You guys are not going to be very happy about it. I bet not. You're going to feel like, you know, intense comeuppance. There are so many people tweeting this and retweeting it. I hate everybody. It's cool. Let's make this the most retweeted tweet ever, guys. Yeah, that'll work. Let's beat the Oscar tweet. If it could just be cool pic was the most popular tweet of all time. I think I got it. I think it's going to happen now. Yeah. Wow. Where is it? We're looking at your... Everybody's like a little bit mad at you. I like it. Cool pic. Oh, there it is. Look at all those megapixels. This is it. This is it. The Asha. This is what the Asha does. What's going on with my hair? I don't know. It's like weirdly flat. It's causing me to leap out of my chair. You're like, I'm out of here. That's pretty suspicious. I'm also... Close application. No. Hold on. Thanks. Oh, no. Hanks. That's not what I wanted. Tom Hanks. Also a good Steve Jobs. Can't go. You want to talk about Elon Musk before we get out of here? I just try to touch the screen. Don't do that. And New Jersey? Yeah, Elon Musk. Let's talk about him. Sorry, guys. This is more important than the Vergecast is me doing an Asha tweet. It is. So basically... So Elon Musk... So Jersey was like, hey, we're going to ban direct sales to consumers of Tesla. Yeah, manufacturers can't... It was all that. All carbon. It has a law that you can't sell vehicles directly to a consumer. They didn't change... They're not the only place. Manufacturers. This rule is not new for Tesla. Tesla's been skirting it and avoiding it. And they came out and they're like, we're going to enforce this now. So get out. And Elon Musk kind of went nuts in the way only billionaires like Elon Musk are allowed to. Just so you know, the cool... I mean, he went nuts. I mean, he was basically like, you know what's stupid is New Jersey. They're all the mafia. The cool people. Can I just say something? Sorry. The original cool pick has 78 retweets. They just went up twice while I was trying to tell you that. 78 retweets. 44 favorites. In case you're wondering. I'm really glad to know that I can tell people what to do. What are we like halfway to the... Twitter for Nokia S40.... to the challenge of New Jersey tweet? Come on, guys. I want it to be the most retweeted tweet ever. They can't even get S60 on the thing. I want to break through my least 200. Show me what you got. Okay. Anyhow. So Elon Musk. Yeah. So Ben Popper went and talked to some people, including Jim Appleton, president of the New Jersey Coalition of Automobile Retailers. Can we hear... We just had some things to say.... or NJ Carr. Can we hear a little bit from him? He needs to stop and take a breath. If you're an internet billionaire... I'm not going to try and do a Jersey accent. Don't do a Jersey accent. If you're an internet billionaire, maybe you think... You can just imagine the Jersey world revolving around you... Imagine he was running a gold chain.... and the world springs from your laptop. Well, I got news for him. This is not a new law. Tesla is operating illegally. Because of April 1st, they'll be out of business unless they decide to open a franchise. That sounds really outrageous. We're going to shake you on down. No, it's insane actually, but this whole concept is totally insane. Oh, it's crazy. A guy from a BMW dealership, they want to go direct, which means on Salesforce, that's cutting out a lot of people. No way that's going to fly. Yeah, because we invented some fake rule about needing to sell cars through middlemen. Well, it's this old rule that was designed to help car dealerships catch on in New Jersey. Whatever. They can't sell cars. And now it's a stupid rule. I mean, it's just like, you know what? Free market. Let it happen. They're trying to prevent... Everybody's trying to prevent Amazon from doing. It's just like selling directly to people for less money. I'm sorry, but... And by the way, this goes for anybody. I'm surprised that... Why can't I buy a car from Volkswagen directly from them? Why do I have to go through a middleman? Why don't I just go and get the car from a Volkswagen? The whole dealership concept seems totally bong to me. I mean, also, have you ever been to a car dealer? That's awful. Have you ever been to an showroom? That's super fun. It's not a good experience. I just went to one. And it was... Are you buying a car? What? I'm looking. I own a car. Yeah. You're like shocked. You're like, I need eight more cars. I'm shell shocked that I'm... No, I'm thinking about getting... You know, I'm a dad now and I need a bigger car and I want a nicer car. You're going to get like a nice Honda Odyssey. My car's paid off so I can do whatever I want. I could see you rocking a minivan. I'm not going to rock a minivan. I could see you rocking a minivan. I'm just throwing that out there. I think you're very confused about who you're talking to right now. Listen, you're a dad now, Josh. Come on. You can only be... There's autos.aol.com. The number one best thing on AOL is their auto comparison tool. Look at that Chrysler Town and Country. You missed the obvious thing about this picture by the way. You stick your head out of that. You're like, hey ladies. I hate your guts. Who even knows? Who knows what happens? I hate you so much. I say hate you so much, it's not even funny. You get this in like a sleek black, like just murdered out rims. You're the worst person in the world. This would be incredible. I would buy you this car. You're like the guy at the end of True Detective. That's how bad you are. You're like the bad guy from True Detective. Look at that engine. That's serious business. You're Errol. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. You don't know who Errol is if you're watching True Detective, but that's who you are. I just launched it by the way. Spoiler alert. Sorry guys. This car is just hot. It probably has driver assist. It'll park for you. You have to do a hashtag. You have to do a hashtag. I was trying to. You don't do True Detective season two without a hashtag, my man. No, you do. You need to step into the zone of knowledge. It's sub. I mean, come on Josh. Please step into the zone of knowledge. Silver could work. What about like a yellow? Let me check in on these retweets. I can give you like yellow type of country. 113 retweets. 56 likes. Step it up. I should delete the other one. It's probably sucking energy away from that other tweet. It's true. You don't want to. 39 on that one. You don't want to split the heat. I don't get it. I don't get this at all. People love the Asha. Everyone's going crazy for it. Series 40 man, forever and ever. It's the best. If you use that in your mini-viz, you'll be the coolest guy. It's just as 40. What is this? Please, please. I can't read that. Sometimes you don't want to put things into the zone of knowledge. You don't want to put it. That seems very clever because you hashtagged it. Very clever. You can't watch the Vergecast unless you're also watching our Twitter streams. Otherwise these jokes make no sense. And you can't watch the Vergecast unless you're also high and or drunk. Right. Ideally and. It's better forever. Ideally you're candy flipping. You're drunk. You could run a car dealership in New Jersey. What? Oh yeah, right. Anyhow, you should read this piece that Ben did. It's great. Candy flipping in case you're wondering is taking acid and ecstasy at the same time. What is this? What is this? Now we owe AutoPie like a thousand dollars for the use of this incredible clip. I'm trying to come around to the mini-viz. I don't know if the Chrysler is. You get some black rims. You get like a boss stereo system. Like you would be the man. I don't know if the Chrysler is the right one for you. The man in a mini-viz is like a blog. I'm going to write this. I think you're the single worst person. I think the Chrysler is you in a mini-viz. The single worst person I've ever met. Josh is not a town and country man. I think you're like an Astro van kind of guy. Let me tell you what I'm looking for. Like an Aztec? PT Cruiser. Can we get a PT Cruiser? PT Cruiser. It's got all the stowage, all the storage rooms. That's just Twitter. Stowage and storage. Stowage room. It's got all the room that I need. What about like a Scion? Honda Odyssey. We could like pimp out a Scion for you. Can we bring back Pimp My Ride for Josh Dupulsky? No. You could get like a river in your back seat. Can I answer a question? Somebody just asked me on Twitter. Somebody just asked me a question on Twitter. Do I use any music streaming services? Oh God. Well, it's funny you should ask that. Actually, I use all the music streaming services. How many are you paying for right now? Spotify and RDO and also I don't pay for Google. I'm actually paying for Beats. I discovered that yesterday. I'm paying for Google, Pandora. You pay for Pandora? Beats and Spotify right now. Wait, you pay for Beats? I like did it and I haven't turned it off yet. Beats is too close to the system. I keep forgetting to cancel Beats. Beats is too close. There's a new Sonos app out. You know I'm a big fan of Sonos. It's really nice. The app is really nice. The new Sonos app, Universal Search, which is a killer feature. So now you can plug in all of your different music sources, Pandora, Spotify, RDO, whatever, and you can search. Sorry, this Diet Coke is very bubbly. Very bubbly. No, the search used to be really bad. You could be like, I will find this only on Pandora. No, the search was bad. It was awesome and it's super exciting. And that's a big deal for me personally. The app is just nice looking too. It used to be really ugly. But yeah, I subscribe. Sorry, I got stuck into some tweets and I was very confused. I subscribe to a bunch of services and I'm just throwing my money down the drain, just throwing it away into the garbage. Which one do you use? Like most? What's your default? RDO, I use a lot. RDO is my default. RDO is just pretty. I use RDO because it's better looking. But you'll find that if you follow me on RDO, which I hope that you don't. If you follow me on RDO, your feed has been overrun with white noise. Because the baby loves white noise. We have like two main white noise jams. It's business class, which is the sound of business class. It's really great. And then there's another one. Yeah, here we go. What's the one with the purpley one to the left? White noise therapy volume one. Yeah. What's my main track? What? Yeah, just let's have you heard of this is amazing. Oh, yeah. Did you hear about this? This this album that Wolf pack posted on Spotify. It's called sleepify. It is a full album of silence, complete and total silence, very cage of them. And so they want you to like before you go to sleep, hit play and repeat on the album. And then they're funding their tour with it. 131 retweets. That's kind of awesome. Let's take it. Let's take it to 200. Is there anything else to talk about? I'm just searching white noise volume. It's a white noise going. There's a band called white noise that makes like music. So I have an announcement to make. Oh, oh, yeah. Exciting. You know, I don't know. I'm reconsidering. We've got the gasoline right there. You gotta. So here's my are you ready? Everybody get ready. Vergecast listeners. Well, it's not we don't crazy about it or anything. So I was so so we're going to go on. All over. People are going to like people are going to like freak out on me now. I can just tell. Yeah. I mean, you just got to do it. Just tear off the word. Don't it's just it's just I just don't I don't think I should do it. I don't think I should do it. I shouldn't say anything. You have to now. Now let's just keep going to now. Just keep going. No. OK, so, hey, listen, we're going to put the Vergecast on a hiatus. We're going to we're going to postpone, not postpone. We're going to halt. What is hiatus? What are some synonyms for hiatus? Can we get some up on the view screen? Pause. We're going to pause. Let me just see what's going on. Pause. Break. We're going to take a break. We're going to take a little Vergecast lacuna. We're going to take a lacuna. A recess. Recess is pretty good. We're going to take a recess. Yeah, we're going to pause in the Vergecast. So here's the thing. Vergecast has been going since the actually like a hundred years ago. So we started a podcast at Engadget. They used to have a podcast, and when I became editor in chief, Neal I was like, we should start up the podcasting because they hadn't been going on. This is in 2008. We started doing the Engadget podcast again. And you know, it was it was, you know, insane. It was fun. And a lot of yelling. We did it there for years. And then we then we in between Engadget and the Verge we did. This is my next podcast, which was this amazing, which was a continuation. Oh, wow. Look at that. This is like old school. Look at our old office. I'm sitting on the shelves. I'm getting like teary eyed. I know. Look how shiny I am. My God. Let me dab that forehead. It's unbelievable. It was actually the whole. My hair looks incredible. I feel like this was I feel like this was the day of our photo shoot or something. Your beard is like really neat. I look really, really good. You're very put together. I don't know what just happened there. Anyhow, so then we went from we went from from Engadget to doing the This is My Next. Oh, my God. Look at Paul. Look at Neal. His hair is crazy. They're like 14 years old. Everybody looks 14 in this in this image. The Verge has aged us all. And and then we went into we went from that. And then when the Verge cast, we've been doing this for like, you know, two years, over two years, over two years. And I just think I just realized, like, hey, you know, we are we did the last couple hours with TC and Katie. And we were like talking about things that weren't gadgets, news, weren't technology. We were like, it was wine. It was completely insane. I went on a thing about, you know, George Bush being as bad as Hitler or something like that. And one of the things I say when I've had a glass of wine, I actually didn't say that. I actually didn't say that. What I said was what I said was that's like two glasses of wine. I think what I said was Fox News is the worst thing to happen to journalism since Hitler controlled newspapers. That doesn't make a lot of sense. No, it makes perfect sense because they're a propaganda machine. And anyhow, so like I was just like, you know what? Like I kind of want to rethink like, what can we do with the Verge cast? What can we try that we haven't done? Like are there different things that can happen on the Verge cast? Could we try new things? We would be doing video where like it's just three people sitting around in a room. Maybe we could be doing video from locations. Maybe we could be, who knows? I don't know. So anyhow, we're going to put the, my Twitter feed is, you guys seem really upset. So we're going to put it on hiatus for a little while and retool, rework. It's happening out there. Re-re-re-think and then ultimately reboot into the next generation. Is anybody with me here? I'm with you. It's going to be good. And honestly, like, and part of this is driven by like a desire to retool and reboot, but then a part of it is also like, I have a baby right now and it's a brand new baby. And there's like, work is really super duper busy. You have a lot of vans shopping. We're doing all kinds of insane things. And so like, you know, it's just like, we, I'd love a little bit of time to like rethink it and anyhow. So that's the news. People are very upset. Let me give you some, it's just a hiatus. This news fucking blows is something. Oh yeah. This was a nightmare. This was a, this was a big one. This very dark. Angry looking people sitting there right now. Somebody said I'm retiring, take care of kids and travel the world in a mini van. I'm not doing that. David, thanks a lot for planting that. Josh is buying a town and country. You heard it here first. This guy, this guy just discovered, one person just discovered that it was, it was, I was the person who messed up their audio feed with my white noise. Um, anyhow. So yeah, so that's, that's it. That's the news. It's not that really not that big of a deal. I don't know. And I don't know how long the hiatus plus it made me remember the word lacuna. And so it was all worth it. We're totally lacuna. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to be on the Tata. No get out. Um, so anyhow, so we're going to take a little break and then we're going to come back and it's going to be amazing. It's going to be even better. And then is there anything else that we need to know? I mean, is there any other news? I mean, we can't top that camp. Can't wait. So Hey, actually, here's a great thing that you, if you guys love the verge cast and watch the verge cast and you are bummed because we're taking a break to three, think it, send an email. This is actually a great segue. Send an email, start a forum thread. So there actually are some good, like interesting forum threads about verge cast. Maybe we could try this, maybe we could do that. Like here's an opportunity. I would love to hear from people who've watched it for a long time who want to see it and are thinking about like what they might like to see on it. Um, you know, tell us, give us ideas, give us, tell us what you'd want to see, tell us what you think would be cool because we kind of have an amazing opportunity. We have like this incredible video team. We've a wonderful staff here and like, you know, we're just doing like the bare minimum that we've always done basically, which is like three people sitting in a room bullshitting, which is great. You know, I totally get it. Like, but we'll keep doing, we're going to, where there's going to be some variation of that is going to continue happening. There will be bullshitting. Um, somebody asked how long the break is going to be. I don't really know. I don't think it's going to be, you know, super duper long, but it probably won't be super short either. Is that helpful? Thanks Josh. It's not helpful at all. I guess I should point out, I mean, we haven't done the verge mobile show in a couple of weeks. We're going to do one or do something. We'll do something next week, probably. But we're also going to, you're going to, you're going to look, you know, we're going to, you get your hiatus. We're lacuna. So the verge mobile show will also lacuna. Yeah. Yeah. Look, listen, we guys, we've been, we've been doing this stuff for a while. I think we should, I'm like excited cause it'll give us an opportunity to think about like what could we do that we haven't done yet? You know, besides talk over each other, which is hard to do when we're doing it. When it's every week, you gotta be like, okay, we got to get on there. Talk over each other. Uh, what? I tried to talk over there, but you didn't stop. I stopped cause I know you're talking over me. You're too polite. This is an actual real problem. Okay. So anyhow, that's it. That's the verge cast. For now and forever. No, I mean it's not forever. No, no, no. We're going to, it'll be back. Don't get bent out of shape. You're going to make me cry. But that's the verge cast for yeah. Verge cast 2.0. We're not going to call it that. Somebody just, somebody just tweeted about it. So it's a good idea. Um, come up. So names are a good idea. Yeah. The intro is going to include me driving up in a minivan. Yeah. With a bunch of babies. Don't you dare get my hopes up. Bunch of babies. A handful of babies. Uh, so that's the verge cast for this week. Um, you, if you want to get in touch with us, you can email us at vergecasttheverge.com. And I highly recommend you do, especially if you have thoughts or ideas about how we can make a more awesome verge cast, um, or things you might like to see on something that is like a verge cast. Um, there's already for it. What? There already is a forum thread. Yeah. Ross Miller made a forum thread for us. So if you have ideas, drop them there. Oh my God. Crazy. Um, you can, uh, you can, yeah, you can write something in the forums. You can leave a comment on this post when it goes up. You can find us on Twitter. The verge is at verge. I'm Josh Wytopolsky. Dieter is back line. David is, David is Pierce David, you know, whatever. I've discovered recently that is being unused on Twitter. And so I'm currently on a, no, at just at Pierce. You should totally get it. It's like somebody had it, but it's never tweeted. So I'm like, I'm starting a covert campaign at AT Pierce at at Pierce. That's the worst. Great stuff. Good stuff. Great way to end. Great way to end this, uh, this final iteration of the verge cast. And yeah, so we'll be back. Who knows when, but when we do come back, it's going to be really awesome or terrible. Could be also horrible, but you know what? You don't know yet. And I don't know yet. And that's, what's so exciting. The idea of the unknown creeping up on you silently with a knife or just for a hug. Anyhow, I think that is a great way to end this verge cast. Uh, we'll, we will be back. And until then, I mean, honestly, because of the length of time, I highly suggest you, you buy a firearm to protect your family from what is coming for you because it's not good and it's coming soon.