 Do you want the camera to be adjusted? Oh, yeah, we've got a little bit too much headroom. Do you mind? That's good, yeah And We're live ladies and gentlemen welcome to the WAN show Luke is cavorting about in Asia So he couldn't join us, but that's okay. We have budget Luke. Sorry is it discount discount Luke? Sorry, cavort jump or dance around excitedly. I hope he's cavorting. Yeah. Oh, I'm pretty sure he's cavorting He loves hanging out over there. I'm pretty sure that's the only reason that he wanted to go to Computex It's if you're watching I'm on to you. It's the only time he cavorts. Yes the only time he could boards I rarely cavort but when I do it's in Asia He actually can't really cavort over there because a lot of the time the ceilings are too low Oh, I thought you say he was like squish people. Yeah, that's like just step on them. Yeah Yeah, he really does stand out there. Get back. I'm cavorting in a very real way So yeah, we've got a really great show for you guys today, and I'd love to tell you about it except my Laptop is updating so maybe James can tell us what some of the great topics We have are we're gonna talk about our favorite things from WWDC I actually do have some favorite things from WWDC like not everything was bad, okay? No spoilers though, okay, and remember when YouTube was down last weekend We remember when the WAN show was supposed to go up last weekend There's lots of things conspiracy and AMD and Samsung partner up for ultra low power graphics in possibly mobile phones all that and more at 11 news at 11 roll the intro This is great. I just like the timing as someone messages How rich is Linus in the chat and someone super chats 99 cents? Not so richly doesn't appreciate this. It's actually less than 99 cents because YouTube takes a cut of that. Oh They take a cut of super chat of course they do how much it's not like 30% Seven no, I think it's more than that Yeah, I actually don't know super chats While we definitely appreciate people's generosity Are not really a needle mover for us And part of it is that YouTube does take a significant portion of it so super chat YouTube portion sorry I have to look this up because I actually don't know how much money does YouTube take from super chats? This is an article on stream geeks, and I should probably be looking it up on my laptop now that it's Not updating anymore, and then I could actually share this with you How much are we are directing all the super chats to Brandon now? From super no no that was just that one time hey Brandon you got your free lunch, right? Okay, good. Just checking those super chats move the needle for you Guys please continue super chats, please. He got a free. He got a free lunch out of it, so that's pretty good. I guess nice All right, how much money does YouTube take from super chats? Wow, this is a really long article for just like search on dollar sign or search on percent control F You have seen our 100% YouTube live super chat blah blah blah Okay, when I click the estimated revenue in YouTube's analytics it was roughly 30% less than the total super chat amount So they take a 30% cut of super chats through YouTube. That's exorbitant. Well yes, and no it's exorbitant Hold on a second yes, and no it's not quite that simple because for one thing Google While they do use their own payment processor which saves them a lot If they were using a third-party payment processor you could be looking at as much as 30 cents or more per transaction plus a percentage of the transaction so even if I was just Using stripe or Braintree to take a dollar from you over the internet. Thank you very much I would still be giving 30% of that over 30% of that to my payment processor This is something that we've learned the hard way as we've Developed floatplane Luke's not here, so we're not going to talk about floatplane attend today But my apologies to the floatplane fans out there only blockchain can save us Well save us blockchain yeah, but the transactions aren't even free with crypto like some cryptocurrencies have very high transaction fees Especially if you want the transaction to go through in a reasonable amount of time yes I know it depends, but the some of the more commonly used ones have extraordinarily high transaction fees whatever man It's the future All right It's it's hard to have a real conversation, but then I mean you don't cost as much as Luke so Discount conversation. I don't okay. No one wants to have a blockchain conversation right now I just want to make the joke and leave it at that okay that that's fair. You know um Bitcoins up what like 60% this year though last I checked it was is it like 10 grand. I don't I don't know honestly I'm like now. We're having a blockchain conversation. I'm out. It's eight grand It's eight thousand US dollars, so I'm I'm out. I don't care anymore, so I'm actually trying not to pay too close attention to it I'm just like you know what forget it you guys enjoy your crypto thing Call me when it's actually manageable to integrate as a payment system Call me when you know the Canadian banks and the Canadian government have all decided on a way to deposit and withdraw this stuff and Not have everything Disappear mysteriously in a weird town in India where people are known for going to fake their own deaths You heard about that right that specific one no um so uh what's the? What's the crypto exchange that went down the one that was like based out of here? Oh? What was that called? I don't know they all have the same name Out of business owner died hold on what was it? Quadriga yeah, quadriga So it's a 30 year old CEO and co-founder died of complications arising from Crohn's disease while traveling in India supposedly except the circumstances of his death Respirious Yeah, but did that ever come to a conclusion? I don't believe it has at this point But I haven't been paying really close attention to it because like I said I'm out. I hope he's alive. I really do I Like over a hundred million dollars of assets like are you saying you've never fantasized about faking your own death? It's just such a funny thing to think about it's illegal as far as I know isn't it? I think it is yeah I mean you know the thing is that you know most of the people Who do it you know never get prosecuted because they're actually dead I love how there's like a Mecca for this like if you want to fake your death come here How can you have a good fake? If everyone knows oh he died in that town no one really dies there like their whole newspapers obituaries like fake news Yeah, so I don't know like there's a place. There's a place there I forget what the town is called or like like the area is called but they're really well known for document forgeries including things like a birth certificates and death certificates and that happened to be and this could be a tin foil hat conspiracy theory In fact YouTube chat is probably blowing up being like I personally oh wow it is blowing up like I Personally saw the dead body or whatever like good for you. So yeah, like I said, it's possible. This is all nonsense It's a hub for makeup artists But it's it's possible Someone says not illegal you have the right to disappear. Yeah, you can disappear, but you can't You can't forge a death certificate because that is a legal document so that would be about like forging a um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, land deed like you can't do that and because there are such large incentives for some people for faking their own death, um There's definitely definitely laws That make it so you you can't do that faking your death is sometimes called pseudoscience Pseudoscience that is great. I like that. That's cute. That's clever Wow Well, don't know if it's illegal or not yet, but How about apple stuff? How about it? How about it? All right. Well, why don't we why don't we bring up the wwdc? News and kind of kind of talk through some of our the wanda favorite things the wanda. Why would I go to the wanda? There's links there in I know but the people who work on that they just don't do a very good job It's funny because he's the one who works on the wanda All right. All right. All right. All right. So there's like nothing in here I said follow the links the links you're I didn't build this out because You already made videos about this. You know this we all know this stuff. All right, so should we start with the mac pro? Now i've kind of said everything that I want to do is just to show you guys How do we start with the mac pro now? I've kind of said everything that I want to say about the mac pro I they're oh actually I do have a couple small corrections from the video that I made earlier this week So I had speculated that the the very low end system configurations that only have four sticks of memory Might not support six channel memory, but I remember that right after the mac pro announcement Uh, we missed it intel announced their 3000 series xeon w lineup That was going to be the processors in the mac pro and it does go all the way down to eight cores and apple Apparently confirmed that no there will only be one motherboard. So they're just shipping a six channel motherboard six channel cpu and they're just putting four sticks of memory in it because Six grand for a an eight core processor makes a ton of sense So now from like an optimization standpoint, what does that mean? Um, it means that you're getting effectively 66% of the memory bandwidth that you otherwise would now with that said you've only got a piddly eight core processor. So Who cares? I guess because it's not like Uh, it's not like a 28 core where you could legitimately have a workload You're running on it that needs all of that memory bandwidth like you just don't have the compute to justify it anyway but I also just don't think that an eight core configuration of this machine should exist. It doesn't make sense Like so much of the price of this thing is making up for the rnd of the case design Seems to me that you're just not getting any value on the on the low end On the low end I think there's people already defending it But I don't I don't understand these people because on the low end you should just be buying a latest gen imac It has an eight core processor Ecc memory It's a really it's a really interesting feature because I even went as far So we published a very negative review of intel's previous Xeon w lineup the one that was based on their lga 2066 platform And what anthony and I concluded and I ultimately said in the video was these things are a rip by an hdt processor because the only differentiating factor is that they Support ecc memory which if you really needed it Well amd supports ecc up and down their entire lineup all the way from threadripper down to ryzen 3 So if you absolutely must have that there might be an amd option for you go check that out and you lose overclocking support which depending on your workload might Might actually make sense because you're using their c620 whatever chipset instead of their x299 chipset Which has overclocking support built into it so we ultimately concluded that you were paying anywhere from 500 and over dollars for a trade-off in features that may or may not have any value to you and Intel was upset about my conclusion because they said well actually, you know xeon w is Is good for workstations and I went why is it good and they said well because it's made for workstations And I said well what makes it made for workstations exactly? And they said well it has ecc support and I said well, that's nice What does that do for me? Because here's the thing the perception for a lot of years was that intel xeon processors were somehow better Than their consumer equivalents and there have been times when they actually were but over time the rnd cost to make a new cpu design has become such an Enormous part of the cost of a processor that by the time you've done all that rnd It's actually cheaper to just make the same cpu and put it under two different brands with some features turned on or turned off and A feature that you would turn off would never be stability Like it is not think about it It is not an intel's interest for their core series processors to crash once every 422 hours For to what end so intel can talk about how xeon w is really stable But if you ask well is core i9 not stable they just kind of Yeah, it's stable and it is so what I asked them to do was okay guys Let's talk about ecc. I want to do a video where you guys take me to like You know Sandia national lab or something and and we we we simulate a solar a solar event We flip a bit we actually flip a bit on a memory chip and show that this system recovered from it in this one didn't and They were like we can't do that Like they physically can't do that they don't have the instruments to do that they Wouldn't click on it wouldn't clarify Okay, they were just like we can't do that and so I said well then my conclusion about your processor given that there is No, meaningful demo. I also Before we got as far as like going to a laboratory and like doing this I asked well give me a demo Give me something I could do on these two machines that shows that this one is more stable than this one And they were like we don't have any workload like that. I kind of went Okay Thanks guys Like the thing you got to understand is that ECC does do something in the event of an accidental bit flip It is supposed to recover from it The thing is that each subsequent generation of DDR technology has also added more resiliency against accidental errors, so I'm not saying it doesn't have a value today I'm just saying that it's not a value that even Intel was able to design a test for me to be able to demonstrate So it's the people I talked to there if anyone from Intel is watching and knows a way that we can do this yo HMU as the kids say right I'm almost as old as you now man Yeah, and you're gonna be wait is that public knowledge or no? Oh, okay, and he's gonna be a dad too Yeah, he's gonna be the second dad at Linus media group I was gonna say second parent, but my wife works here. She's also a parent. That's true. She's very obvious She's yeah, she's a parent. Oh that was great. Oh, I mean I'm gonna let that wash over me for a second Yeah, so it's like a feature that is over serving most people and being disrupted by the same company's other features Yes anyway I forget where I was going with this rate You should just buy an iMac because it's a faster a core even thermal throttling I think it's still faster than this that's Z on W because Whatever or something and then that even ignores the iMac Pro which starts at five grand and I think what does what does its core count start at I feel like we need to go like look at that now I Mac Pro Apple USA. I don't think this is gonna take me to the US site. No, it's not well, whatever We'll just do it manually. Thank you very much for that You're all the prices. I love how this stuff is only the price right now No, I do need the prices because the the Mac Pro is gonna start at six grand So if we have a look at where the iMac Pro starts because remember these are not the same processors They fit in an entirely different socket But from a performance standpoint, I don't believe Intel has changed anything like a clock speed for clock speed core for core They should be quite similar So let's go ahead and have a peeky boo at what we get for this So we get a 3.2 gigahertz gigahertz Z on W that turbos to 4.2. And what do we get the Mac Pro? We get a 3.5 that turbos to 4.0. So let's configure it We've got a grand to spend because they both come with 32 gigs of RAM in the base configuration And to know this one has a one terabyte sst out of the box Of course it does right so we can add another two freaking cores And I'm not saying the iMac Pro is a perfect machine. I'm just saying it also happens to include a display with a stand and It'll outperform the base model Mac Pro on paper. We will have to actually test that we might have to crack open our iMac Pro Again, oh stop cracking it put like different processors. I'm cracking it. Please. Oh, I know I know And just oh man, but I think the graphics card is the most embarrassing thing about this stock configuration Really a 580 X Let's fire up la new egg comm now I know it's a Radeon Pro or whatever, but you guys got to understand that is a that just been that is it that no That is just a driver switch that AMD flips. Oh, it is the same bloody card 580 X hold on typing yeah, I'm working on it. I'm working on it. So what is a 580 X cost these days? Here's an MSI armor whatever $200 like we're talking at a $200 graphics card in a system that costs six grand so basically the message that Apple is sending with this base configuration is by this if you're the kind of like Ego images everything more on that wants to have a Mac Pro as a status symbol But actually doesn't care at all about what's under the hood of it at all. Yeah, that's the message It's like being like oh I need a Mercedes to impress the ladies and everyone else is like yeah, it's the cheapest one Yes, but as long as the ladies don't know that I guess you're good. Then you're good. So as long as you're a cheese ladies who aren't into cars What what else did I did I want to say about the Mac Pro right okay, so we know it's all the same socket so No, you don't get a different motherboard. It's just stupid now. I've had people say well What if you want to upgrade in the future? Well, then you should use your current machine for now and you should upgrade When you order because upgrading computers is very rarely a good idea now. I'm not saying you should get the you know Most loaded out memory configuration in fact. There's a good chance that companies like OWC or ifixit are gonna have kits that you can use to upgrade that stuff for much cheaper I'm just saying that You're basically buying a processor that you then are just gonna put in a bin and trust me No one else is gonna want it because the kind of motherboard that's gonna fit an LGA 3647 Z on W is gonna cost 500 600 dollars nobody buys a board like that and puts a cheapo 8 core processor in it. That's stupid It's an imbalanced machine. That's my point. It's six grand. It's got a throwaway processor a throwaway graphics card and memory that Honestly, let's see. It's 32 gigs. So what is that? Is that eight gig sticks? So that limits your total upgrade ability as well because it's only got 12 memory slots So 32 times 3 is what like 96 96 gigs of RAM like that's probably lots But you're better off getting 16 gig sticks because that doubles the overall expansion like if Upgradability is what you've got in mind Don't buy parts that you have to throw away and that no one will ultimately want So why do you think Apple makes this skew they make this skew for the for the ego people? Do you think it's it's their most profitable build-up? No, no, I think they're absolutely just because people will buy it I think that they are trying to maintain not just a profit margin but also a GP dollars profitability to this product because my By GP dollar gross profit dollars, okay So so they just want to have coverage as wide a swath the market as possible Yeah so so they want to hit the lowest price point they can while still making what they would have expected to make Regardless of which skew they sell on the core components that they're selling which are ultimately the case a License for Mac OS, which is ultimately tied to the main board the sorry the logic board But if that's the case then this and if this product is overlapping with Performance wise with the other products as you just showed us then it's cannibalizing those other products To me that doesn't make sense unless it's the case that at Apple those teams are kind of segregated and each team is Responsible for getting is as much gross profit on its product line. I actually and they're competing teams I doubt it works that way. I think Apple's a little bit smarter and a little bit more organized than that I suspect that the only reason they wouldn't care about this cannibalizing their other products Is that it's more profitable or as profitable so ultimately it doesn't matter what you buy okay? And I would suspect based on the loadout of something like an iMac Pro I suspect that this is a higher margin product even if they are assembling it in the US as I Think they had committed to doing don't quote me on that though, okay? So so yeah, they just have a they just have a base amount of GP dollars that they need to make in order to make this product make sense for their shareholders and Well screw you you get to buy a config that doesn't make any sense because remember to imagine this Imagine if it didn't start at six thousand okay imagine if it started at twelve thirteen thousand, okay? people would be outraged about that too and Instead of it just being nerds like me that are going to break down the spec and go well This is imbalanced this doesn't make sense You know you've effectively you've effectively bought you know That ex forma case that we showed the like $1,300 case and you know put an entry-level CPU and graphics card in it like you're an idiot You know the people who are mad right now are the giant nerds Whereas if they announced a product that was that started at thirteen thousand dollars Everyone would be mad right there. They're like common customer would feel alienated. That's right. Yeah, okay now It seems attainable even though what you're buying is Essentially stuff to throw away and upgrade later if you are intending to do any serious work with it, okay? How about the monitor though? Yeah, we can talk about the monitor so so I Can't wait to see it's gonna be a great monitor. Let's say that it's gonna be a great monitor. Oh the monitor I'm pretty excited about actually now Brandon was actually telling me about A really interesting post that someone created it where their main problem with the monitor was not necessarily its hardware capabilities but whether or not Apple was going to adhere to any of the existing standards for HDR because if Apple comes in and says okay We're competing with the the Flanders of the world. You know we're talking thirty thousand plus dollar displays So this person's problem with it at that point was it doesn't have enough local dimming zones. It's gonna have bloom It's just it's simply not suitable Versus if Apple was coming in and they wanted to compete with sort of the the more the more average creation monitors They were saying that well Apple needs to Apple needs to just be aware of and adhere to Standards like HDR 10 that already exist instead of you know forging their own path with this What they call it XDR extreme dynamic range or something like that. I can't remember exactly exactly what their wording was for it Now I I think that with like Apple isn't perfect But they tend to be good at designing an end-to-end workflow What I suspect is that right around the time this Mac Pro launches They're gonna have some new workflow tools within Final Cut within Mac OS that are going to make working with HDR content easier, and I think that they they're going to have to acknowledge that there are standards like HLG HDR 10 Dolby Vision that already exist and that they have to make their tools work for I I am not as pessimistic as that person was but I also am not as well versed in it as They are so I'm gonna be really interested to see how this how this goes and how long This display is even that interesting for OLED only has to get a little bit brighter To make more sense because remember it's high dynamic range not necessarily how many nits you can pump through a display So OLED only has to get a little bit brighter before for my for myself I'd rather be editing I'd rather be creating on something that has no bloom and 570 is 576 zones 532 I can't remember how many it was but 32 inch yeah, that's a lot of zones on a 32 inch, but it's sure as heck not an emissive display technology I we actually we checked out a display with 512 512 zones just on a 35 inch on a 35 inch and so it's not quite an apples to apples comparison But would you say based on what you saw that? Apple's 500 To 600 class display on a 32 inch is going to be sufficient for like real color accurate contrast accurate color work No, it depends on the Aggressiveness because on the display that you and I looked at it was which was the PG 35 B sometimes known as BQ It has such aggressive Local dimming that there was always bloom And it was you could really see when you move the cursor from one little one inch one inch zone to another that you Missed when we were playing Tomb Raider didn't you I played it myself earlier, but I wasn't there Did you play it? I played it myself earlier, but I wasn't there with you. Did you play any scenes with really high contrast a little bit? Okay, I didn't notice any problems Okay, because I was really impressed with how well it did when gaming it was only one on the desktop that sucked on it I think sucked is probably about the right word. Yeah. Yeah Yeah All I'm saying is like even with that many zones 500 zones in that size. They're still like They were about an inch by inch by inch. It's still pretty big. It's big. Yeah, and apples is gonna be smaller but Not that much smaller Not that much smaller no like maybe point eight of an inch or point eight five of an inch by Ten percent smaller or something like that. Yeah, so Because remember too we're talking about a 35 inch display But it's a 35 inch 21 by 9 display that is not in terms of actual display surface area That's not as much bigger as it sounds compared to a 32 inch Is it 16 by 9? 9 or 10? I actually don't remember But even you even see bloom on OLEDs. I think it just has to do with the perception of the eye though That's true. That's true. You do see some bloom on OLEDs But like you said, I think part of it is just the eyes contrast capabilities. Yeah And that's actually another thing that's another reason why I do question How much brighter OLED really has to get? For the HDR experience to be really really good on it because we're already at the point now where the brightest whites on an OLED Right next to the blackest blacks like my eye has a hard time seeing that line. Yeah, so if we want Something like a like a candle burning in the middle of the dark room if we want it to bleed out If that's the filmmakers desired effect, I mean Are we that far off? I just don't know how much more work is gonna get be put into OLED because it seems like micro LED is kind of looming in Like the three to five year horizon now and and Apple's one of the companies doing it They're investing really heavily in it as far as as far as the public is aware. Anyway, yeah I don't know how big of displays are planning on making with it though So it's supposed to be pretty scalable though, right? That's one of the One of the selling points of micro LED I believe that it's kind of like you can just scale it up or down now this was a really fun conversation that I actually had with some of the folks at Nvidia and I don't believe yeah No, there's nothing about this that would have been off the record or nd8 or anything like that. But I was and Pardon my ignorance every once in a while. I get something completely wrong So I was under the impression that when we talk about micro LED technology, you know what? We really need to do our sponsor spots because we are we are running out of time on the WAN show here today So don't let let me let me get into that. What a cliffhanger. 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I think we're still streaming Now you guys can't see but last is trying to kiss me right now No, I think it's the casa module Lights are turning on in the bedroom right now lights are on behind me Cameras on now. 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Okay, so my first exposure to micro led in the real world was Sony's That's pretty hot that's pretty hot Hey, is there is there a reason we don't just turn on them? Oh, are you sure? I don't know if they take ten minutes. Yeah We'd see them glowing by now. I don't think they're on I'm happy with this. It looks cool. Yeah, all right So my first exposure to micro led well, I'm not the one looking in the light was with the Sony cletus display Yep, and have you heard of the clean? Yeah. Yeah, that's CS. Oh, did you see it? I wasn't there that year, but they had it the next year didn't they? Okay, so the cletus display is Really trippy because the way that it's like a modular display and we've seen technologies like this before but it's a unique one Because it's got these panels that are about this big and then you just assemble them together into whatever size and resolution Display you want now that's not unique. What's unique is that the cletus display uses an emissive display technology Like OLED except it's not OLEDs. It's micro LEDs Okay, so they've got these tiny tiny micro LEDs red green and blue and they emit directly from the display So there's no backlight or anything like that But the way that they achieve near perfect blacks on a cletus display is that I forget what the exact number is But it's like made of black dots No, no, no, it's not like a bunch of black dots that you can see if you go really close to it No, it's like an illusion when you back up It's a little bit different than that though. So they actually allowed me to go up to it here I'm just yeah, I remember everyone was uh, everyone was tense. I like no don't go that close Okay, ultimate picture blah blah blah. Where is it? Okay. Uh, Oh, where's it? Here we go. Okay, right Because so the reason they can get nearly perfect blacks out of it is that 99% of the cletus display doesn't emit light Weird it's just it's actually black So you're looking at this giant display made that that emits light. They're micro LEDs They're super bright, but they're actually tiny They're micro LEDs and all of the area around them is just black Are they clustered or are they spread out with lots of black in between? They look like this Yeah, okay. Yeah, so you've got a red green and a it's either a blue or yellow I actually don't remember but you've got three sub pixels for each pixel and the vast majority of the display is actually black But because of the way that light spreads from a source You actually have to get about 18 inches from the screen in the middle of the display In order for and it's weird your eyes like go weird as you move through the threshold I kind of click in and then all of a sudden you go from seeing the entire image which has no Perceivable gaps in it to seeing just these dots and they don't look like anything. They just look so trippy It's so weird. Okay, so I thought that micro LED displays were specifically this technology Okay, I didn't ever stop and think about that a micro LED is just a Small LED and you could do anything you wanted with it Yeah, I didn't think about that. There were other ways that people were planning to use micro LEDs Okay So I was talking to Nvidia because they were talking about these displays that they've that they've created with over 500 local dimming zones and They were talking about like yeah, you know, we see a clear path forward because I'd love to wait which Nvidia Displays have over 500 the one that we just checked out for one. That's not Nvidia. Well, okay Are you talking about the BFGD? I'm talking about the Nvidia driver module and the the full array backlight control module That's a video. Okay. It's that yeah, so Okay, that's actually an important point to clarify. So they were talking about how You're going from 384 zones to over 500 zones to using mini LEDs to micro LEDs They see this very clear technology progression Whereas like I'd love an OLED G sync display and I was like hey You guys working on that and they're kind of like, you know, they're vague right there evasive. We're working on everything You know, what are we were a technology company? What are we not working like they basically lives a not total non-answer and when I drilled down Where I ultimately like they wouldn't answer any questions about it But what I ultimately realized is that because OLED is an emissive display with completely different characteristics in terms of color mixing at different Brightnesses, you know making them color accurate The way that the pixels switch or rather they they don't take a long time to switch like Nvidia would have to completely reinvent the G sync module I see to run an OLED display So when they were talking about this clear path forward to mini LED and micro LED I totally misunderstood that they were talking about something like a cletus display and emissive display Using micro LEDs What they were actually talking about was using micro LEDs to have a much better Degree of granularity in a full array backlit. I see okay, so so what they're looking for as a business then is is Evolution rather than revolution. It's like we have this tried and tested stuff. We just need to iterate to make it You know just do this but do it harder. So what smaller then tries it? So what I ultimately came away with was that full array backlighting on LCD displays is not going anywhere and where we're probably headed is many many many more zones Maybe where we get to the point where each zone is a mini LED or a micro LED so the blooming becomes much less I don't remember what my point was in all of this anymore. I think we were just talking about Micro led coming out eventually. Oh right Apple investing it. Right yes, so micro led coming out eventually Yes, but maybe not in the form that you might think because a micro led display could be an emissive display Or it could just be really really small LEDs micro LEDs Behind a regular old LCD panel So yes micro led displays are coming. We just don't know exactly what form they'll take and after that meeting with Nvidia I had a better understanding. It doesn't make sense to keep them as transmissive displays because When you have that many of them well it depends how many you have if they're at almost the level of being like for each pixel Is a zone then the beauty of it is that you turn it off and you get the black levels of OLED Yes, right and the pixel response times because the reason that LCDs have higher pixel response times than OLED is that It actually takes time for the liquid crystal to twist that takes time and to untwist Yes, and that's also related to why it's not as black because even when it's fully twisted some lights still gonna get a little bit of Some lights still gonna get through so why would you give up on all those awesome benefits because you've invested the last 25 years In LCD then get disrupted, and you know how they work get disrupted That but that's it because you know how they work because a lot of the time you can build even using an inferior Technology you can build a better display when you understand the technology at play better and So yes get disrupted, but the flip side of that is Apple's display is already sort of groundbreaking in terms of its Contrast and peak brightness and all that the thing is the thing is six thousand dollars So but so is a BFGD. What's the emissive one gonna be? That's exactly my point how disruptive is that technology gonna be if it costs 50 grand or whatever you know what I mean? They should have mentioned it depends they could end up in phones. It'd be great in your watch Yes, you know and I wonder if LG. I'm sure LG is also Investing in it. It's just kind of interesting because they also are going so hard into OLED But they don't want to be caught flat-footed either right no one wants to be caught flat-footed I think LG is still pretty heavily invested in OLED only time will tell So we promised in the video thumbnail that we were going to talk about not just the monitor But also the monitor stand what monitors stand the one for the one it doesn't come with yeah the one it doesn't Come with so I guess the argument here is That like the very expensive very very expensive monitors that you referenced earlier Those don't come with stands either, and it's just not in like in that category. It's not industry standard to Have a stand hey Brandon Can you bring me something that's really stupidly overpriced? Like a handle or something you know you know what I'm talking about right yeah, okay, Brandon's gonna find something Something related to a red okay, so Can I play devil's advocate for a moment here, please I love Satan okay, so there's a You got something for me okay? Yeah that yeah, what else you got how much is this? This is 1295 for two okay wonderful how much is this? $2950 Is that still how much it costs you ask a Canadian okay three grand us all right Um it's just three grand okay, so we got it. We got a couple. We've got a couple things here, okay, so When I buy a product My understanding is that it should come with pretty much everything that it needs to function right okay? Okay, okay, that's a very consumer centric point of view now I would say that if I were to if I were to graph out The now that now that I have experience in the professional world if I were to graph out my expectation of like a cost versus included accessories Curve okay, I would say as the cost approaches zero your included accessories go down You expect a more bare-bones experience So the cost approaches as the cost of my original purchase approach is zero So if I buy the cheapest phone on the market, I'm not that surprised it doesn't come with some headphones Okay, right, okay Then as I as I step up in cost I expect my experience to be more and more complete And when you buy something like a galaxy s10 You know it's got your You Yeah, we do theoretically we're live, but the camera is dead can you can you guys can you guys make sure the camera is going to turn back on? Oh yeah, cameras on okay. We just I'm sorry guys. We just had we just had a short blackout. It's called brown. No no It's called a brown out when it doesn't actually tell when she was yeah A short blackout. Yeah, wow we have a good name for that. Hey guys Um sorry, what was I talking about? We're describing an inverted parabola. Okay? Yeah, so so basically you know I expect to get my my You know my headphones and and they'll run bundles and stuff so maybe it comes with a micro SD card for expansion And blah blah blah blah and it got a fast charger a fast charger. You know like accessory bundles unless it's an iPhone Yeah, and then as I spend more That starts going down I get into professional grade rather than consumer grade gear the manufacturer's Expectation is that if you only have a little bit to spend you expect very little if you have a moderate amount of money to spend You expect a lot, and if you have a lot of money to spend you probably don't care about the crap We were going to include anyway, and you're willing to pay more for a premium perfect option So I think there's a certain level of F you you've got the money anyway Pay more that goes on when it comes to professional I don't think they would say that I think they would say that they wouldn't say because every because each piece is Ostensibly is so highly engineered and high quality and so expensive you don't and low volume You don't want to be paying for things you don't need That would be the way they would say it they wouldn't say F you but it's just implied But if that were really the case if they're really being altruistic then there wouldn't be a $200 VESA adapter it would just be standard you could just clip it on there. Yes, okay? So let's talk about then so again playing playing a little bit of devil's advocate here I don't think that Apple has missed the mark with their audience at all We are talking about a you don't think they're outright outraging the same person. They were afraid to outrage When we talked about the lower level I think they're going to outrage people But I don't think those were the customer for this product at all We're talking about a $6,000 Monitor once you get the anti-glare special etched glass coating We're talking about a $6,000 machine that it hooks up to at that point It is an 8% difference in cost to get the pro stand Or just or or what percentage is that or or we're talking? like a 1.75 percent difference in cost to get a VESA mount right 1.5 percent That's all we're talking about $200 is nothing people people who can afford that P the $200 a grand not necessarily Maybe they don't pee it, but maybe They can make that $200 Back because this is a tool that they use for actual work. So I paid how much did I pay for this? The handle 1200 bucks for two for two A pair is $1,200. Okay, so I paid $600 for this. Let's break it down a little bit Here's a piece of machined aluminum. Here's a screw. Here's a little aluminum Doohickey that you can twist Here's a button another aluminum doohickey Here's a little adjusty doohickey with another little doodad on it Here's a rubber handle let's go, okay, so $600 but I did this because there's nothing else on the market that Has the the same level of ergonomics and build quality that allows us to operate the camera more comfortably. So effectively i'm not buying Some stupid aluminum doohickey. I'm buying a camera I'm buying a camera operator who's back doesn't need chiro appointments every week that ultimately my company's health plan is going to pay for That's what i'm buying so it's a different perspective and when it comes to Legitimate professional level gear i'm not talking about an ipad pro That's not professional equipment a macbook pro is not a professional equipment A macbook pro is not professional equipment anymore. People are doing real work on them, but Apple has sullied that product line They have made it about a status symbol that you can use to browse facebook hot take more than just About actually getting real work done and delivering the best possible performance now My thoughts may change when I actually haven't watched our review of the upcoming eight core macbook pro So i'm basing it on the one that thermal throttled last apparently it's a lot better. Um But i'm talking about actual tools that actual professionals will buy to actually make money with them It's a different equation when you make money with something that you buy At least cognitively you can justify it sure Also, if you make more money with it then Objectively. Mm-hmm. It's a good investment. Well Wow Hey, do you know how much employee health care costs? 600 bucks Whatever or like or like if someone quit because I I wouldn't I wouldn't couldn't provide the the ergonomic equipment that they need To not be in pain. Um, do you know how much it costs to train a person? We're talking thousands and thousands of dollars in lost productivity What this makes them happy? All right What do I care? Well, I want a better chair Which chair do you have now? I'm just joking actually. All right I have had a really nice hermeneuter before at work. It was pretty cool Should we wrap it up? Is that it super chats? Can we do some super chats? Oh, we should really do some super chats Um just for youtube's sake. Yes. Yes. Yeah here youtube. Here's your here Let's find the let's find the most expensive Super chat youtube. Can we get so here you go youtube here's 30 bucks Uh from tyne and dougdale. Hey linus paradox interactive of ck2 eu4 made a music video for the upcoming Paradox con will we get a music video for ltx? Will we get a music video for ltx? I have to confess. I had not given that one nanosecond of thought well I can imagine us having footage from ltx Placed over music or with music and released as promotional material for the next one But I don't think we're going to choreograph any dancing or get any sexy people in bikinis We could put us in bikinis. Is that something I can make you guys do? I said sexy people in bikinis. Yeah I mean we're sexy aren't we? Compared to what linus? bhprototyping says would you ever consider fully building an entire production grade computer case from scratch for a video in the future? Absolutely in fact. We're doing that wood one Doing that wood one um are we you okay the wood the wood case did I did I okay making it from scratch? No, okay Um actually yeah, that is something that we would consider doing um It would have to be the right project. I mean we have designed cases from scratch before my personal rig is in a Completely custom designed case that was built by protocase Um anthony burg. Hi joseph thornier. Hi chad. Hi Hey chad blame the dingus More free super chat. Thank you Um jr. Andrew mosspack says do you think apple will lock out the pci ports? I sincerely hope that they don't Um at least not directly I think what apple will do is they will limit the availability of drivers for devices to ones that they want plugged into those pcie Ports just like they do with the black magic e gpu Exactly just like you can't plug an nvidia graphics card into a macbook because apple will not okay the drivers to be clear I actually had someone complaining um in the comments on the mac pro video Where I appeared to be blaming apple for the rift between apple and nvidia to be clear. I don't I suspect that between nvidia and apple you've got the two Biggest egos in the entire industry and it's no wonder they can't get along and it's probably equal parts both of their fault Actually, it's probably more nvidia's fault because they they screwed apple pretty good on those dying gpus back in the day Carpentry says canadian dollars for the merch store, please Sorry, it's not going to happen anytime soon the vast majority of our audience is In the u.s. And the ones that aren't quite frankly aren't in canada either and the u.s. Dollar is kind of the international currency Oh apparently it's shopify's fault we can't have multiple currencies on it I'll double check but I think Oh wow we just call you made me call out shopify and you haven't double checked it Dang it nick So you're saying you don't care so you're saying you're rich so you don't care no i'm saying that I use these products to make money Think about it this way you don't you can apply the same logic to anything As a as a parent whose kids won't use it very often I could say A $75 radio flyer wagon is very expensive and i'm not going to buy one But if my if my son were to say i'm going to get a job delivering newspapers I can deliver newspapers 30% faster with a radio flyer wagon I could make back that money in seven days of delivering newspapers Now it's not expensive It costs the exact same amount of money It's just a matter of measuring that amount that it costs against the roi that it delivers for the business It's a different calculation. It doesn't necessarily mean that you Don't care about what the cost is it just means that there are other factors at play Price is an arbitrary measure of value so if your value if you value it differently than someone else does because of your circumstances then Scott says you crashed youtube with last week's WAN show actually this is two WAN shows in a row that they haven't managed to process correctly So my intention today is to kill the live stream and then re-upload it as a VOD Because they promised me it's not going to happen again But they also couldn't offer an explanation as to why it happened last week and why it took an entire week For them to fix it Tyler gaming says i'm a linux user ha ha ha ha ha ha enjoy your very limited suite of creative professional software like come on it's not that simple you know that Tommy gun says how's the 100k pc and personal rig doing my personal rigs great james helped me upgrade it again yesterday So i'm super stoked on that and 100k pc we have a video coming very soon. We shot that this week Okay, I think I'm gonna call that it. Thank you very much ladies and gentlemen And we will see you again next week same bad time same bad channel. Oh, I am blur 20 bucks Sorry, I will I will answer you do you know of a two-in-one or a convertible laptop with pen support for drawing that can also game? at approximately medium settings wow I Wouldn't I wouldn't count on finding that I would more look for something that has a good drawing surface that has thunderbolt And I would use an eGPU When you're when you're gaming like I don't know what to tell you Or I would wait for oh I would wait for wait what I would wait for a 10th gen They're gonna have better on board graphics Alex P a prime from our editing team sent a super chat asking if this is a conflict of interest Sending the super chat. What are you even for two dollars? Why are you even? 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