 Okay, welcome to the LAN show ladies and gentlemen, where we have... One hour and twenty minutes late. I believe this may be the latest that we have ever been. We are the whole duration of the show late. Yes, that is a thing that happened today, and to be perfectly honest with you guys, the stream is still not perfect. I cannot run the intro video clip for some inexplicable reason. We should just carry one of the chairs, and then you can drop it part way through, right when you get in frame, and then sit there and go like... We could do it. Yeah, we could do that. It's okay. I'm not gonna worry about it. Let's just go ahead and get this show on the freaking road here. Let's get it on the road. Apparently there's a... Oh yeah, I know why there's an echo. I know why there's an echo. Don't worry. Don't worry you guys. We got this. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. I still had the speakers on on my laptop because I didn't have my headphones plugged in for a second here. We should be all good now. Let's go ahead and talk about what topics we're gonna be hitting today. Topic number one is the Nvidia GeForce GTX Titan X. Titan X again. Titan X2, if we were to take the Final Fantasy approach to this. The way they're going with it is they're calling it Titan X Pascal. Well, we'll get into that a little bit more later, what we both think of that. Also, Facebook wants to use freaking lasers to deliver high speed internet to remote areas. I approve of this simply because it involves freaking lasers, but we'll talk more about the rest of it later of course. Nvidia also dropped a 1060 this week because apparently releasing gratuitous amounts of graphics cards all at once is a good idea. Also owner of Kickass Torrents was arrested and is about to be absolutely screwed. Yes, yes he is. Alright, let's roll the intro. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do. It doesn't work. It's so far off. Do do do do do do do do. And see like you start kind of going Mario and then you switch it. Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da. Ministry of Supply! I fixed it! So I'm having, I'm running into a weird issue. I think it's a video codec related thing where every time I try to play a video file, our streaming software crashes. Maybe iFixit could release a iFixit guide on how we can fix the stream. I would love it. If iFixit had like a tear down guide of XSplit. Yeah, like a tear down guide of just streaming in general. Right, because we need all the other things figured out too. At this point. Tear down guide of audio solutions, streaming software, streaming software utilities, audio monitoring, all that kind of stuff. All the things. The lower third works. Pictures work. Videos don't work. There you go. That's where we're at with that. I feel like I was in the middle of an explanation of why we were so late last time and I know that we're an hour and 20 minutes late but I'm going to explain it anyway because there is a valid reason. It was all because I was trying to fix it. So first I took the stream computer and upgraded it from X79 with a two generation old top of the line CPU to X99. I used the X99 deluxe board which like our experience with, freaking awesome board. It's probably... How many people get that? I hate you right now. How many people get that? Can we straw pull? I hate you. Can we straw pull? You go ahead and straw pull. I'm going to straw pull. In fact, hold on a second. I believe there actually is a Luke screen HDMI now. Oh, what? I was making upgrades, my main man. That sort of makes sense. I was making upgrades, I was doing things. I was trying to make the stream better. Wait, is this set up? Am I going to ruin things by plugging this in? I don't know. Let's find out. So anyway, X99 deluxe motherboard, the most basic low speed DDR4 that I could possibly find. Yeah, that's good. That's a good thing what just happened there. Screen turned off. It's like... X99 deluxe, what else did I do? Right, changed out the CPU, RAM, motherboard, new SSD because get this, as soon as I change the hardware, I've actually seen this once before, but when I changed out the hardware, every time I booted to the existing Windows install, no USB device could be detected. Unplugging, replugging, going into the BIOS, changing EHCI, XHCI, handoff, all that stuff. Nothing did anything. I even pulled it out of this machine, put it in a different machine, no USB devices, and because nothing has PS2 anymore, there's no way to even try to fix it. So I may just keep that drive forever as like a trophy of the kind of bullshit that I have to go through sometimes. So I had to reinstall the OS. I mean, meanwhile, it's like 3.15 at this point. I got lots of time. I'm feeling pretty good. So I reinstall the OS, I get my new capture cards going, and I'm still... My streaming software is still crashing. It's still crashing. So I'm changing out my XLR input to a different one, and it's still crashing. I'm like, what is going on? Turns out video file, which is why I was late in the first place, and then we had issues with the audio quality on the stream, which is why we were yet another 20 minutes late. So I'm very sorry about all that. Let's find out if it was all worthwhile by switching over to the Luke screen scene. There's nothing there. I wasn't set up at all. Okay, just hold on. Just hold on. I didn't set it up. I didn't set it up. Okay, just wait. Just wait. He named the scene, and then it was just like, that's enough. Oh my. Try unplugging and plugging it back in. Okay. Let's see. Let's see. And also make sure your sound is off, because otherwise they're going to get all your sound things. Have you tried turning it off and back on again? Oh god. Oh no. Oh no. Well, you can very clearly see that the yes votes are at 13%. The no votes are at 52%. And the turnip votes are at 35%. Oh, hold on. There's a loose connection. It's a loose connection. Hold on. Hold on. It seemed to get better there. Oh. Oh, I... Hold on. I took it out. I took it out. Okay. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do. All right. Well, you guys get the point. And we're never sharing Luke's screen again. No, no. We will share Luke's screen again someday. I just hadn't actually... Not this day. But it was not this day. One does not simply... What are we going to do, my precious? We're going to talk about GTX 1060 as if nothing happened. Yeah, let's do that. The stream is completely fine. All right. So original article here. Hold on. Hold on. My screen works. Our original article is ours, Technica, and not our own review. What the heck? Hold on, bro. I made a video about this. Everyone's a critic, yo. Oh, man. Oh, wow. Colton was just... I think he was taking out some angst because I was giving him crap about something like last Friday. And I apologized for it after because my management technique was less than stellar on that occasion. But I think he's going to be trying to get back at... He can't really get back at me because I'm his boss. So he might just be taking it out on you for the next little bit. I'm technically also his boss. I'm kind of... Actually, you know, you couldn't fire him directly. But if you were like, yo, Linus, let's have a heart to heart. I think we really need to fire Colton. He's been stealing things. I brought him into this world. I can make him leave this world. Yeah, I think... Maybe indirectly, but... Yeah, I think I would have to take your word over his. Like if you said Colton stole a bunch of stuff and Colton's like, yo, go to Luke's house. It's all there, like set up around his computer. I'd be like, you know what, Colton? It's probably you who put it there. So now Colton knows that there's just this thing. And now Luke knows that if he ever wants to steal stuff and blame it on Colton, that's exactly how it's going to go down. And all I have to do is leave it very specifically around my computer. And then I'll be like, look, this is exactly what we talked about what happened. It's exactly what you said would happen, Linus. And you can turn that into... You're just so smart. Exactly. You knew it would happen this way. And how can I not believe you when you're so astute as to observe my intelligence being what it is? Of course. Let's talk about GTX 1060. So in a nutshell, the Ars Technica headline kind of covers it, or the byline, I guess it's called. GTX 1060 is faster than 980 for just a little bit more cash than the RX 480. What's missing from that summary is how it compares in terms of speed to the RX 480, which is... So you can't have a performance comparison to something that's not available anymore, and then a price comparison to some other completely unrelated thing from a completely different company that we don't know about performance. Give me a second really quick. Something that's been kind of weird in a lot of reviews, including my own, I'm going to admit this right now, because it's hard to quantify. I want to see if you can even buy any of them. GTX 1060s. Yes. So there is one GTX 1060 currently available on Amazon, and I think it's a mislabeled product. Nope. Nope. That's a 1060. There is one of them available from EVGA, so we'll see how long that lasts. And everything else that you look for, when you look at 1060, is mostly 1070s. And looking at the Amazon.com prices for these things, in my video, I said that I didn't think they were going to be near the $249 USD price point because of what I saw with the 1070 and the 1080. And I was slammed by certain people because there was an official price list released that had them closer to the $249 price point. But what I said in the video was that I didn't think that the 1060 and the 480 should even necessarily be compared that closely. Because the 480 is $200, and the 1060 is probably going to be around $300. So looking at Amazon.com, not.ca, there is the EVGA GeForce 1060 currently sitting at $339, and there's only one of them. And this posting is from EVGA. There is a Gigabyte GeForce 1060 G1 Gaming Edition for $346. Okay. There is... Are you looking at.ca or.com?.com. Okay. So US pricing. Zotac, amp edition. I sure wish we could share your screen right now. 345. You could do this. It's really easy. No, no, it's okay. Basically, my point is, the prices for all these things are just like whimsical imaginations of possibility. Like the... What is it? My brother was trying to look at the 1080 Strix, and right now in Canada, it's like $1,300 or something. Really? It's just like, holy crap. What the hell? These cards are in such low stock that I think what's happening is retailers are just like, well, we're sold out for forever, so we might as well just crank the price up. It's interesting because that kind of thing didn't used to really happen. I worked at a retailer for a lot of, wow, I don't know, six years or something like that. I saw the behind the scenes of what actually goes on with a product launch like this. The consumer loves to hate and say, you guys are gouging, you're doing this. The reality of it would be that the Canadian dollar had dropped 5% in the last four days or something like that. Ultimately, we were just losing money on everything that we had sold before we adjusted pricing because we would have to pay in US dollars, but we would get paid by the customer in CAD. You had to guess because you're anywhere from net 30 to net 60 terms. In actual fact, normally NCIX was pretty darn close to whatever the normal markup was supposed to be once converted from US to Canadian and then with a few percentage points on top so that you're actually making a little bit of money. What I'll say about the board partners is that when it comes to the vanilla cards, they might opt not to make as many basic cards as they potentially could. EVGA could take every single GTX 1080 that comes into the door, every single GPU, and they could put it on their lowest cost card and they could sell them all at the lower price or they could at least supply some of those so that the people who want to deal on something that's not a super clock or a KO edition or an AACSX Plus or a Kingpin or whatever else, so those guys can get a card if they're willing to wait a little bit. Then I would put as much of my stock as I can based on what will hit those clock speeds into the ones that I can sell for a higher price. That is the way that video card makers generally mark something up by having a different skew, not by just hiking up the price of a card. There have been exceptions to be very clear. 8800 GT went up from the top, from the very beginning of the supply chain to my knowledge, and I don't have any confirmation of this so you guys don't quote me on it, but to my knowledge Nvidia jacked the price and the board partners jacked the price. Colton can I borrow you for a minute? And retailers were somewhat opportunistic on that particular card as well. The same thing may be happening. Do you mind grabbing my power adapter? My laptop is going to die very, very soon. It's just in the main pocket there. Thank you. I didn't know where you were going with that. Also I'd like to give you an opportunity to... Can you plug that into the back of the UPS first though? I feel like it's only fair to give you an opportunity to defend yourself because we talk a lot of smack. Okay, what am I defending myself on? We talk a lot of smack. In the event that it was your word against Luke's, and he was saying you stole a bunch of stuff from the office, and you pointed out to me that actually all that stuff was on Luke's desk at home, do you think I should believe you, who I've only known for a little over a year? Definitely. Or should I believe... This guy's a troll. Definitely believe me, but I know you wouldn't though. That's the thing. I would be so screwed. So I just gotta not piss you off, because I think you want to do that, and we'll be good. Okay, thank you. That actually settled it. So it turns out Luke is in fact Colton's boss, indirectly, because we all acknowledge that Colton has to suck up to him in order to save himself. Okay, thank you Colton. You're wonderful, we appreciate you very much. Just yeah, it closes the door. Okay, so I did some more investigating. Okay. I went on Newegg.com. Not only if you look for GTX 1060 is literally everything on the first page, and I think there's, yep, there's only one page. Every single item is listed as out of stock, but a lot of the prices are actually pretty normal, but they're all out of stock. Right. You can't buy any of them. So do RX 480, same thing, or they're like computers and stuff, or completely unrelated products, which is weird. Maybe you should work on your algorithm, Newegg. When I literally type in RX 480, I'm not talking about a Mazda RX 8 air conditioning AC cooling parallel flow condenser assembly. That's not what I'm looking for. Anyways, one of them has stock of two items, and it's, let me find it again. Give me one second. Where'd it go? There it's $409 for a $200 graphics card. What? I am- So like how? I am trying to get us, I'm trying to get us an input so you can screen share, because I'm personally really appreciating this like real time shopping, shopping study. I'm even like mostly done, but my problem is how am I even really supposed to compare these cards? Because at this point, one of the manufacturers could be like, it's 50 bucks. There, do your price comparisons. We win. Then you go to the store and it's like, nope, it's $400. I hope they can hear us. What? Okay. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. I got an idea. Nope. That's not the right idea. Can they hear us? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. No video. I don't know. Everything is scary right now. Everything is scary. Video output. Um, um, um, I don't know. We can hear. They can hear. I don't know what I'm looking at. I don't know if I've looked it into the right thing. Everyone scream along with Linus. Even though we can't hear you, just do it at home. Just, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. Why are you being mean to me? No it's Colton. Oh, Colton. I wasn't being mean to you. Oh, you're right. I don't know why I didn't realize it was Colton. So you're just so smart. That's why you ended up figuring it out though. Not everything has to come to you immediately because you're just dealing with so many things at once. Um, so I'm on a completely different level. Yeah. Oh, can you plug that in? That might have something to do with it. The HDMI cable for your laptop. Really? Yeah, I'm trying to, that might be part of the reason why Luke's screen capture is not, um, is- I didn't even know we were trying to do Luke's screen capture. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm trying to get you back up and running here. Okay, so my computer has done the freak out thing, so we're ready to go. Yeah, yeah. Everyone's on duplicate. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No. Okay. Yeah. No. Okay. Yeah. No. Okay. Yeah. No. Okay. This sounds like a phone conversation with like that guy that just really doesn't care about what's going on on the other end. Yeah. No. Okay. Let's be back now. Oh, see, I think I was pledging to the right thing in the first place. Oh, dear. I think, like, I'm done. I think I said everything that- Okay. Yeah. No. Okay, well why don't you talk- why don't you talk 1060 now? I was talking 1060 the whole time. Oh, okay, you're done. Fine. Anyways, it's- I'll give a brief overview of what I said. Okay. It's very difficult- Well, did you talk like specs at all, or do we care? I was going to finish that part of the conversation before talking about specs. Okay. Can I jump in with something that I had wanted to add? Sure. So, with respect to the pricing conversation, so Sapphire actually sent me- oh, yeah, okay, the NDA lifted like six hours ago. Perfect. Sweet. So they have a Nitro Plus RX 480, because we wanted to talk about how the pricing of these cards might kind of creep together depending on if you compare a low-end- Or creep apart. Or creep apart. Yeah. Whatever, based on like crazy pricing in different areas. But my point was that usually in the US, you have the most stable pricing structure, because that's where they're making their initial pricing, but it's just complete lunacy in the US, meaning it's even more crazy everywhere else. So tell me this. The 4GB RX 480, you know, whatever, Nitro X is 220 US dollars. Okay. MSRP. Yeah. The 8GB is 270. What would you buy? Would you find the cheapest 1060 you can find, or do you buy a high-end RX 480? From my experience so far, it depends. Can you actually get them at that price? Because that was what I was just talking about. Not only is everything sold out in general, so you can't even buy it if you wanted to, but the prices of them is crazy as well. Right. And I think the pricing that they're sending in the email, is that actually real? Because right now on Newegg, the only available 480 is over $400. Right. So it's, where is it? Give me one second. I keep on losing it. Out of stock, out of stock, out of stock, out of stock, out of stock. Out of stock. $409 is the only one that's currently not out of stock. It's a Vision Tech card. Okay. There are additional pages. I haven't looked into the additional pages, but I did one entire page of products. Decided that was probably enough. Alright. So I guess, so basically our usual guidance remains true then. We generally recommend sticking with the higher-end card versus buying a high-end of a lower-end GPU. Yeah. Okay. Fine. But like, if you can even get it. Let's talk high-end cards. Nvidia announces the new GTX Titan X, which they're calling Nvidia Titan X. Now I could probably go off. Oh, I was going to have you leave that plugged in so that I can still try things. I could probably go off on a rant for a good solid 10 minutes. However long you want. About naming things the same thing that they were already named when they are a completely different product. Or saying new or whatever. Like the new, you know, it's like, it's like, It's like everyone took everything that was wrong with shampoo marketing. And you know, now with 33% more. 33% more than what? 33% more of what? What am I comparing this to? Is it a product from last month? Is it a product from four years ago? What is their 30? One, one thing. How do I understand this? One thing that I do understand in terms of that naming, the only time that I think it actually made sense was Battlefield 1. Really? Because they went back. Okay. So that sort of made sense. I'm still not a huge fan of it. But this is different. This isn't a reboot. This is a sequel. No, I'm not saying it's okay here. Okay, okay. Yeah. Okay. No, no, we're agreeing that it's not okay here because there's a lot of things that are confusing about this. It's confusing for retailers because SEO is hard enough when you don't have to basically the only way that I can think of to fix your SEO from old generation Titan X versus new generation Titan X is manually. You will basically have to go into your backend and go, okay, if Titan X created before X, then do not return result before created after X. They should replace their product pages. The problem is that the pricing is different. The other problem is that you might be looking it up for a warranty return. The other problem- No, they should replace their product pages and then remake but with the old cards. You can still find it, but the SEO linking through Google and everything is still really popular. That's actually a smart way to take advantage of this. I guarantee no one will do it. Because you should still have your product page for the old card for warranty reasons and everything that you said. Like NCIX, for example, I know for a fact there's no mechanism for them to do that. That is not a thing. That won't be a thing that they'll be able to do. It screws over the retailer. It screws over the reviewer because it makes it so that instead of me just saying Titan P or Titan XP or PX or if we had called it something that had made an ounce of sense, I have to say Titan X 2016 edition. I have to clarify. Come on, if you gave us Titan XP, there could have been all the little smiley face jokes and stuff. That would have been pretty cool. Yeah. And that would have been... That would have been way better. Yeah. Anyway, okay. We should just call it the Titan XP from now on. I'm down. I'm down to do it. I will literally call it that throughout the entire review. I will do that too. Cool. We are calling it the Titan XP from now on. You heard it here first. It is the Titan XP. It is the Titan XP. Okay. The third person that this screws over and the one that gets screwed over the most is the consumer. You are basically making it impossible for the consumer to understand from reading reviews, Googling reviews, comparing pricing, what exactly it is they're buying unless they are an extraordinarily savvy consumer who really keeps up with the industry by watching fantastic programming like the WAN show on a weekly basis. That is the only way that you will know that one Titan X is different from another more different Titan X. Oh, someone in the chat even just said win XP with the Titan XP. Right? Like, holy crap, those marketing campaigns write themselves. Why did you do this? You had such an opportunity. I know. We used all the XP that we had building amazing GPUs and we turned out this beast. Nvidia leveled up. It's endless. There's so many. Level up your game. Oh, it's perfect. It's amazing. They need to rename this card. They do. They have to rename this card like right now. They need to, okay, here's what they need to do. Okay, Nvidia, if you guys are watching, you take the Titan X 2016 editions that you have now and you turn them into kind of like a coin with two tail sides. Like anyone who bought one or got a giveaway like right at the beginning. Wow. Okay, they have like this weird, it's almost like a misprint. Okay? So they have like this weird one that like had the wrong name on it. You just change all the shrouds to Titan XP moving forward. Okay, you got to retool it. I'm sorry. That costs a little bit of money. You're Nvidia. You can afford it. The Titan XP is the actual name of the product and everyone's like talking about it. It would be awesome. You should do it. That would be smart. You won't, but you should because it would be better for absolutely everyone because this is really confusing for consumers and it's totally unfair. It's already confusing enough when video card manufacturers take two of the same product and call it something different. Rebadging is terrible and confusing for consumers. Now you're taking it a step further and now you might have two different products that are called the same thing. You're basically just saying, I don't really want anyone to understand what it is. I want people to just walk into a store and have a salesperson sell them the most expensive thing that they can. That's the message that I'm getting from this. I don't like it. And speaking of the most expensive thing that they can, the Titan XP is going to cost $1,200 and it's available August 2nd directly from Nvidia. And my bridging point back from the 1060 stuff is you're buying Titan X's August 2nd from Nvidia. Sure. Down the line when they stop doing that. You mean XP's? Yeah, sorry, XP's. I screwed up. I called the last generation card, my bad. I'm still in last year. What happens later on? Are they going to be $1,600? You already price hiked by $200. In the 1060 review at the very beginning, I have a chart showing how every one of their new GPUs has been price hiked by $100. This is by $200. Now this is something that you may not have been paying attention for long enough to know, but Nvidia actually has not, I would say Nvidia and ATI slash AMD, because that's how far back this goes, have not actually been that unreasonable about the way that they have done the pricing of their extreme top tier hardware. And I will explain why I'm saying that. I like that EVGA logo. Because, oh yeah, that's really old. That's back when they were EVGA.com and it was always EVGA.com. That was part of the branding. So let me see if I can find. So the 6800 Ultra Extreme was basically vaporware. And if you're going to build a card that you're basically saying, let me see if I can find a reference to pricing here. If you're building a card that you're basically saying, yeah, it's going to be available from our site only, then something, something, something. Yeah, you're basically saying like it's pretty much a vaporware card. Let me find it. You can expect to pay upwards of $600 for a card of this caliber and we were unable to locate a retailer that had them in stock at the moment. So 6800 Ultra Extremes went for kind of getting somewhat close to the like $800, $900 range. And the 8800 Ultra was actually a pretty similar story, ultra price at launch. Let me just see if I can find it. Okay, so the 8800 Ultra was priced at $830 and that was released back in 2007. So let's use an inflation calculator. Okay, inflation calculator. I'm going to use the Bank of Canada one if that's okay with everyone. How do you use, here. So I'm going to, we'll go ahead, we'll do this live. So in 2007, something that cost, what was it, $839? $839. Well, I can type a thing. $839 would cost, calculate. Okay, so they weren't being unreasonable before, back when I did the math based on that TitanX is $1000 because, well, I mean, I'm not saying that an $839 card in 2007 wasn't unreasonable, it was. I'm just saying that we're actually tracking okay, but they've jumped ahead by $200 this time so you're right and I was right, like, two days ago. Okay, yeah. How about that? We're both right, okay? Sure, sure. I think the problem that people have is jumping by $100 on XX60 and XX70 and XX80 and jumping by $200 on Titan doesn't feel like an inflation adjustment. If they adjusted by little bits every time, it would feel more like inflation adjustments. Now I understand that you don't want really weird pricing numbers on your products, but that's what people are feeling when you do that. They're feeling that one chunk jump and it doesn't feel great. Feels bad, man. So you can actually see here that probably the last time they did this then was with the $8,800 Ultra because here's our six, I remember these costing more though, $6,800 Ultra extremes. They're stupid. They didn't even buy them. But they did a fairly significant jump there and it looks like they've taken another leap forward in terms of the value of a GPU, like an ultimate gaming experience relative to eggs and milk once again. And I think ultimately the person that we have to blame for this, not person, but the entity that we have to blame for this is AMD. I'm not going to crap on AMD because they're having a hard enough time as it is with the things that are difficult for them, which is apparently everything. But if AMD was keeping Nvidia in check, then at the high end. So to be clear, 480 looks like a very successful product and AMD did a really, I think it was a smart move coming in and saying, okay, look, we're not going to go toe to toe with Nvidia this time. Yep. I saw that straight up in the review. We're going to come from the bottom while Nvidia can spend all that money that's associated with building the biggest GPU ever, which they did. And they can trickle that technology down and we're just going to build what we think is the right thing at the right price from the outset. Fair strategy. I have a video coming just so people know. I'm not going to go like too into it because I want you to watch the video, but I have a video coming on the 480 and VR and like how well positioned that card actually is in terms of performance, even more than price, how you can just get this card and be fine for like what almost anyone is really going to want. And then there will be percentages of people that want more than that. But it's like it is a problem solver, which is exactly what they needed. So I just, I mean, I still, I would have personally preferred to see AMD have a, you know, Fury XP or whatever would go head to head with a Titan XP because that is the kind of thing that keeps pressure on Nvidia not to do this kind of thing. And they just didn't. Yeah, they just, they just didn't, they didn't do it. Yeah. And there's, there's still time for Polaris to, to go head to head with, with Pascal. And so I'm looking forward to that because that should at least force Nvidia to react. And yeah, I don't know. I guess I'm kind of out of stuff to say about this. Okay. There's a new Titan X, 11 teraflops, 12 billion transistors, 3584 CUDA cores, up to 60% faster than previous Titan X. Cool. People are a little upset that it's a GDDR5X instead of HBM2. Yep. I'm a little upset, but I totally get why they're doing it. They're just kind of going, it doesn't matter. And they're right. It doesn't matter. So screw it. We're going to make a little bit more margin. Wait for HBM2 to mature a little bit. Right now it can just be a low volume part and we'll just keep that in our, in our scientific computing cards. Keep that in the Teslas. Fine. So I get it. I mean, memory overclocking hasn't done anything on a video card in a very, very, very long time. And I'm sure that Nvidia has done all the research that is required to decide if it's worth it or not. Cause apparently the GPU itself does support HBM2. So they just decided to pair it with GDDR5X. One thing that I'm frustrated about, frustrated with, which almost no one is going to be able to sympathize with me for is it's being sold on August the 2nd. We heard about it the same day you guys did. I don't have one. I don't, how am I supposed to review this before the release date? We should, we've been talking about this. So we've actually been talking about doing this before. We should review the card before we have the card. Because there have been cards where Luke and I have sat down and gone, okay, a card's coming. We haven't been briefed on it. We don't have a deck. We don't have any specs. We have no driver. We have no card. We have nothing. And we basically go, okay, it's going to be like this and it's going to be like that. And it's going to be kind of like this. And here's the conclusion. And we should just release our full review of it. So we should not sign an NDA. We should not accept a review unit. And we should release a review the day before. Oh my God. Without a card. That could be fun. It would be easier with the XX number card. Yeah. Than a Titan. Yeah. Yeah. A Titan would be a little difficult. Like it's easier when they're taking an existing lineup and they're kind of slotting something in. Yeah. Like, okay, it would be pretty easy for us to do that with like a 1080 Ti. Yes. 1080 Ti would be pretty easy. The 1080 would have been pretty easy. Yep. Except for in VR. The 1070 would have been pretty easy and the 1060, like I knew it before it even happened. AMD cards are usually particularly easy, especially when they're the same card that we reviewed a year ago. Boom. Not the 480. 480 would have not. We would have not been able to do it. I had no idea what was coming. 480, I got to give them props. They kept that secret. They did. I did not know what was coming. But yeah, like I, unless one shows up on like Monday. Oh, I got so sorry. Someone asked a question. No, I did not ditch my blade. I'm working on a review of Gigabyte's Aero 14, which is kind of like what I would call, okay, don't take this the wrong way because it's still a very expensive computer, but I'm going to call it a poor man's blade. So it's- But that's considering that the blade is like the dude that owns a yacht. So it's not really the poor man's blade. No, it's a relatively speaking poor man's blade. Relative to the dude that owns a yacht. Yes. Which is like everyone. Yes. Okay. So there's a lot of things I like about it. There's a lot of things I don't like as much about it, but yeah. Okay. Let's move on to, actually we should probably do our sponsor spots. I can't believe we just spent like half the show on the first two topics. So first up is iFixit. iFixit recently got mad at me and I guess during their sponsor spot is the best time to bring that up. They gave me, well, they gave Nick crap and Nick gave me crap because every time, every time I pull out an iFixit kit for a phone repair or for a disassembly vlog or whatever the case may be, every time I pull one out, I pull out the old ProTech tool kit with the 54-bit driver kit and they're just like, dude, what are you doing? You're sponsored by iFixit and you're using the old kit all the time. And the funny thing is, is I take flack from the viewers about obvious product placement is obvious. iFixit doesn't want me to do that. They don't want to pay me to use the old product that you can't even buy anymore. But they ain't interested in that. So this is cool. I don't know if you know this, but iFixit is actually sending us upgraded ProTech tool kits with embroidered names on them. So you're getting one. I'm getting one with my name embroidered on. Anyway, the reason that I always had the old kit was because I took the 64-bit one home because here I have a lot more tools at my disposal than I do at home. And then every time we do an iFixit spot, I run around trying to find it and then it's missing. Yeah, no, I'd only told him like weeks and weeks after I had taken it home. Anyway. Then I'd forget and go run around trying to find it anyways. The latest ProTech tool kit has their new 64-bit driver kit, which means that you can have over 4 gigs of RAM. It's got... Sorry. It has more bits. It has more durable parts. It has a better screwdriver that's easier to apply more torque with. It's got their ESD-safe tweezers. It's got the metal spudger. It's got suction cups to pull apart displays. All kinds of great stuff. It's backed by iFixit's lifetime warranty. And if you use offer code WAN on iFixit's site, you can save $5 on a purchase of $10 or more. And we should probably get that lower third updated because that is not correct. That is an old offer code. I'm very sorry to iFixit and Nick. I'm not sorry to Nick, but I'm sorry to iFixit. Hopefully they don't hate us forever. Actually, we may be doing a sponsored video with them sometime soon where we'll be taking something apart in a really cool way and putting it back together in a really cool way. Like for them? They're sponsoring us to do something that I've wanted to do for a long time, but that I've never been able to do because it's extraordinarily time consuming and expensive. So they're basically footing the bill for it. So cool guys. We love those guys at iFixit. This is interesting that no one sort of briefed me on this because I actually have clothing from Ministry of Supply that I wore last week. All the comments on the video were like, wow, you and Nick look so professional this week compared to how you guys usually look on the WAN show. And I think I screwed up the spot for them. So I think we're redoing it again this week, but nobody told me so I don't have the clothes. But the good news is I did wear them last week. I wore a beautiful button up shirt and I actually was wearing pants on the WAN show for a change. Something that is not usually the experience that is going on under the table here. Yeah, that would have been pretty surprising. So Ministry of Supply combines performance fabrics, advanced manufacturing techniques and tailored design to make where to work clothes that are comfortable and capable. They're meant to be worn on the body, which is good because... They have to look good on the Thor too. Yeah, they gotta... Wow. They're not gonna like this spot either. The products keep you cool and dry with sweat-wicking fibers, breathable fabrics and NASA-developed phase change materials that help regulate your body temperature and most importantly for our audience, everything is easy to care for. Throw it in the washing machine, throw it in the dryer. That's important for me. Wooo! Wrinkle-free, even out of the bag. So it was all folded up. Colton handed me a folded, collared shirt and was like, wear this on the show today. And I was like, you have got to be kidding me. I'm gonna look like the biggest... There was a wedding this weekend and I went and bought a shirt at the mall on Friday. Idiot. With creases down my shirt. Actually, it was fine. So there's no risk to try. There's free shipping and returns with a 100-day hassle-free return policy and it is the perfect gift for anyone with a birthday or a thing that you might need to give them a gift for. My notes still say Father's Day but that is obviously outdated. Or if someone you know has to go to a wedding on the weekend and it's coming up soon. Yes, indeedy. And you're like, they're not gonna figure this out. So I'm gonna do this for them because my name is Yvonne and their name is Linus. I'm not going to a wedding. I'm actually going to a funeral this weekend. And it has to do something with clothing. Feels bad, right man? It does. Sorry about that. Actually, I'm going to a funeral this weekend. I know. I'm sorry. I will look presentable at it though. I started making the joke and then I was like, crap, this is way more applicable than I thought. Oops. Oh, dang. That's okay. Facebook wants to deliver high-speed internet everywhere via frickin' laser beams. Laser beams! Laser beams! Yay! I mean, to be clear, the idea of internet with lasers is actually not that out there. In fact, your internet travels over lasers, for sure. Fiber. Fiber! At some point. Some people are gonna be like, I don't have fiber. At some point. At some point. If you connect to a website that is not like, in your house. Your friend hosting it. Yeah, your friend hosting it down the street. He's like, well, actually, my just, um... I ran an internet cable to my neighbor's house and then we have a localized website for checking out what games we both have because Steam is like, there's too much DRM and stuff. That could happen, maybe. The worst part is someone watching our stream has definitely done it. She's like, Twitch chat's gonna explode with like, I did it! When I was in university, I put my computer in my neighbor's dorm room, because we liked gaming in there because my roommate was a douche canoe. But I had the good internet, so we ran the internet from my room out my window into his window and then would game. And when it was really cold outside, I was like next to the window, but I liked the cold, so we just keep the window open so we can keep fast internet speeds. Nice. I like that you've picked up douche canoe, because I picked up broke dick from you. There we go. Alright so the system uses invisible infrared laser beams that switch on and off several billion times per second to exchange data while consuming minimal energy. So basically the same as fiber optic internet, except that it goes through the air. So Facebook is working on a means of delivering... Okay, that is basically the headline, thank you. The project has taken a step forward after a first test delivered connection speeds over two gigabit per second. So according to an article penned by four members of Facebook's connectivity lab, published in the scientific journal Optica, the plan is to deliver these high speed internet connections using laser beams to the most remote possible locations. However, high levels of precision are required to line up the laser correctly, so they have to aim the beam with precision equivalent to hitting a dime from more than 10 miles away. So that's a cool thought experiment. The system also needs to support temperature differences of up to 90 degrees Celsius. See hitting the dime from 10 miles away thing, the thing that worries me with that is like weather. And other things that just happen. Really anything that could happen. Rebellent surrections. Continental plate movement. Yeah, like that's actually a factor at a distance of 10 miles away. Did you see that sinkhole on 200th street? Yeah. I have to drive. Like there's just a sinkhole. What the hell, man? Okay. In the middle of a throughfare. Things just happen. The moon moves, the waters rise and lower, the continental plates shift. There's lots of things that affect the positioning of things on the planet, more than you might realize. Alright, speaking of the position of things on the planet, the Hollywood Reporter is apparently our source for, US looks to prosecute the owner of Kick-Ass Torrance after arrest in Poland. Yeah, that's one of the things that's different about this laptop. It doesn't have a touch screen. I went to zoom in and repositioned it. I do look forward to having the blade back, but this is a pretty sick notebook. My review is going to be very positive. Alright so the US is looking to prosecute Artem Valin, alleged owner of Kick-Ass Torrance after his arrest in Poland. They've announced that they charge him with conspiracy to commit copyright infringement and money laundering in connection with the operation of Kick-Ass Torrance. In a press release, the law enforcement calls Kick-Ass Torrance the most visited illegal file sharing website with 50 million unique monthly visitors. It is the 69th most visited website on the internet, which is so delicious. It is allegedly responsible for enabling users to distribute films, TV shows, and video games valued at more than $1 billion. That's probably conservative if you value each discrete download as the full cash value of that. That's definitely conservative. That's how you do it. Yeah, it's very, very conservative. Apple and Facebook actually helped the US in the investigation and arrest. So an Apple email belonging to Valin was found in a Whois lookup conducted by Homeland Security. July 31, 2015, records provided by Apple showed that the Me.com email account was used to purchase something on iTunes. Logs showed that the same IP was then used to access the Kick-Ass Torrance Facebook page. So he got caught because he bought something legitimately. I mean, I guess if I was making... How many millions of dollars a month was it that they figured it was bringing in? One of the other articles that I read was...I forget, it was like, I don't know, $12 million a month or something. Oh, wow. Obscene. The amount of money it was making was just ludicrous. The guy can afford to buy movies, music, and videos. So if he follows the usual pirate logic of I only pirate because I can't afford it, then hey, maybe it's a good thing he was buying things on iTunes. I just think you'd go to your own store, you know? Shop at your own free store? For freewares. Yeah. So there's an update. There's a clone site of Kick-Ass Torrance somewhere on the web. That doesn't surprise me at all. There's a change.org petition. That'll work. Yeah, there's currently 14,000 signatures asking for... That's worth taking time out of your day to go sign. To release them. That is probably not going to have an effect. It's up to 15,000 supporters now. Good job, guys. And there's like a bar. It's like 9, 478 more needed to reach 25,000. As if 25,000 will be any different from 25 in terms of the impact that'll have. But there you go. Oh, this is good. Recode.net is our original article here. Dollar Shave Club just sold for $1 billion to Unilever. $1 billion. Wow. Good old Mike, who I've never actually met, but I feel like I know him because I've been pimping his razors for like three years now. Good old Mike is a billionaire. He is still going to be running the company. They were projecting more than $200 million in revenue for 2016. Dollar Shave Club isn't profitable, but he said at a conference in May that the company could get into the black by year's end. And Unilever has basically gone, okay, that's good enough for us. We're doing it. Wow. So basically, he's like, okay, yeah, I'm going to keep running it. We had good synergy talking with each other. The economies of scale they can bring in will change our business a lot. And that's true. I mean, I've had people point out that Dollar Shave Club's razors can be purchased in bulk, not from Dollar Shave Club, if you don't want a weekly delivery. And the reality of it is, is people join Dollar Shave Club so it's set and forget it. Not so they can save 22 cents per blade or whatever the difference works out to. I can't remember how much it was. I did look into it. So for Dollar Shave Club to be able to potentially, I mean, with the resources that Unilever can throw at it, to advertise more, to develop products faster, develop more unique products, it could end up being a good investment for Unilever, even though it's not even profitable yet. And even more lucrative for Mike in the long term because the company could bring in so much profit. So overall, hey, congratulations, you guys. And the next bill we send you is going to be double. Now that you got big boy dollars. That would be nice. What I want them to do, I would really appreciate this. I don't know how they would make this work in their model or something. But I want someone to make a good trimmer. A good trimmer. Oh, good luck. You all are terrible. Good luck. I spent a very annoying amount of money to just get pissed off to the point where I almost threw it like a week ago because like it just it was it was a hundred dollars. I don't like spending money. I know you don't. I hate it. I know you do. I sat there in the store for literally like half an hour being like, I don't like this. And then eventually it was just like, okay, because my previous one broke and it worked somewhat okay. So I needed a new one. Yeah. And I was like, I want it to be good and I have all these complaints about my previous one and this one was supposed to be good and I bought it and it's worse. It's so bad. You might notice I have a lot going on right now because I don't I can't return it because it's a hygiene product. Right. That's how they get you. Yeah. That's absolutely how they get you. And it's so bad and I don't want to spend money on another one because it's also going to be bad. And you can't use a razor for everything. No. To be very clear. No. You can use a razor when you want down to the skin. You can use a body trimmer if you want to have some amount. Yeah. And I want razor down here and razor like in here a little bit, which is what I normally do. There's no point when the rest of the beard is this ridiculous. But I want to use a beard trimmer for the rest of it. And they all are terrible. If Dollar Shave Club came out with a beard trimmer. It would probably be fine. And I would use it. It wouldn't have a flashlight and whatever other stuff he says that in the thing. And that's fine. I don't even want all the crazy different like the one I have has like millimeter control and stuff. That's not why I bought it. I don't care. I just want it to cut hair. Yes. Yep. Oh my goodness. Speaking of just wanting to cut hair, Gorilla Glass 5 is coming and it's more shockproof than ever. The original article here is from the verge.com. It is meant to survive epic smartphone drops. And then the oh this is great filing this from a cracked phone. Good job, Lauren. So yeah, in a nutshell, blah, blah, blah. Says it'll survive 80% of the time when dropped from 1.6 meters. That's really high. That's pretty freaking good. Wow. So waist height to shoulder height is kind of what they were targeting here. They figure two thirds of smartphone drops happened from that height. Internal research done by Corning showed that 85% of smartphone owners have dropped their phone at least once in the past year. The survival rate was achieved in tests with pieces of glass that were 0.6 millimeters thick. And they make glass as thin as 0.4 millimeters. So smartphone OEMs that opt for thinner glass may see different results. So that's about five and a quarter feet. And to be clear, it does not account for corner drops. The testing was done dropping flat on its face. So as phones continue to have smaller and smaller bezels, I'm not sure if there's actually much that Corning will be able to do to address that, but hey, they got to release a new product at some point. Gorilla Glass 3 sat there as the king of the hill forever. And Gorilla Glass 4 is kind of getting long in the tooth. So now five. With more drop resistance in a configuration that only Samsung Galaxy S8 Active is likely to use because everyone else thinks phones have to be like, you know, corset thin. I like the Active line. I'd rather things were like that. All right. On the subject of kick-ass torrents, our original article here is from Technobuffalo. Witcher 3 Studio talks piracy, says it was an irrelevant factor. These guys really do love to be popular, don't they? Yeah. Because I guarantee you it was a relevant factor, but they just love taking what all the other game devs are saying and being like... You know what? But that's a positive and smart way to go about it. It is. They get so much good press. I love it too. I'm going to go with this. The privacy factor is irrelevant because we can only convince them to do it. We totally believe in carrot, not the stick. So they're being like, we're the nice guys. Love us. Yeah, love us and give us your money. But the thing is they are doing all the nice guy things. Yep. They're not saying this stuff and then... And then loading up, you know, Stardoc and whatever, like eight different levels. Oh, games for Windows Live. Terrible. Yeah. So they're doing it all right and then saying these things and I guess correctly getting credit for it. So awesome. Also, I think Witcher 3 is the highest rated game ever on Metacritic right now. Yeah. You sent me Hangouts the other day. Yeah. That's bananas. So like, doing good. Hell yeah. All right. Elon Musk reveals part two of the master plan. The funny thing about the original master plan, and he says this in the part two master plan is that Tesla's business model, for anyone who's ever doubted it or told them they were stupid or said that they're bad people for making only cars that ballers can afford. It was always on their site. And he's like, I wrote this so that people wouldn't criticize what we're doing. It didn't work. Oh, well, here I go again. Revealing the master plan. The thing is though, he does say that and he says it was like nearly useless or whatever, but he has had his like cheering squad who did read it. Yes. And he was able to use it as a counter argument. So it has served him in a way, I think just not nearly as much as we hoped. Every once in a while you kind of go, okay, I'm going to go out on a limb here and I'm going to go full transparency mode with my customers or my viewers or whatever else. And you know what? Sometimes it works. I took a lot of internal flack over Honest Answers episode two. How does LMG make money? Where I had people telling me, look, like, why are we talking about this? We're just opening up the doors for people to criticize us for making money. Something that people love criticizing us for. I'm sorry that we're a business. But not Twitch streamers. And I'm sorry that we make money. I'm not sorry at all. And that was the point of Honest Answers. Here are the ways we do it. I want you guys to understand how we do it so you understand what motivates us, what drives us. And what drives us is content for you guys because ultimately we will make no money if we don't have you. So we actually do read a lot of the comments on our videos. I read probably 95% of the comments that are posted on one of our videos in the first day. I claim that I don't, but I do. And you know what? So does Nick and so does Yvonne and so do the editors and so does John. So does Dennis. We all care. We really do care. And we are not going to throw away our audience over Nvidia or Intel or Microsoft or any gigantic corporation that can write us a check. Because a check is a one time thing and audience is something that we can continue to engage with and interact with and that we can continue to show brands, hey, we've got all these guys that we're talking to every day. If you want to reach these guys, you got to talk to us and you got to do it regularly. So that's that was why I went, okay, I'm going to go full transparency mode here. Sometimes it works. And honestly, that seemed to work really well. People seem to really get what I was trying to say. And they understood the point of what I was doing. And it didn't turn into a negativity poo storm. Okay, so sometimes it doesn't work. That was kind of where I was going with that. Anyway, here's the TLDR of part two of the master plan. Create stunning solar roofs with seamlessly integrated battery storage. Expand the electric vehicle product line to address all major segments, including semi trucks and other trucks and which there was a minivan because I just bought a gas minivan. Develop a self driving capability that is 10 times safer than manual via massive fleet learning. Enable your car to make money for you when you aren't using it ride sharing programs. And probably they have other creative ideas. So once it's able to automatically drive, not only will you be able to summon it, but you'll be able to go like, Hey, little buddy car thing. I'm at work. Go just like drive people around and make me money. Yep. Go back to my house where I'm not paying for electricity because my roof is covered in solar powered solar cells. And then when you're done with that, go and go and pick up some dudes or recharge at a Tesla station because that's also free. Yep. Yep. Well, it might not be able to do that. Oh, I guess it probably could do that automatically. Yeah. Well, oh man, pretty excited. The car will probably be able to talk to the Tesla station. The car will park exactly where it needs to. And then it'll just rip. Wonderful. All right. So this is a phone that I was actually planning to review. And then I ended up sending back when I realized that I, that the $99 price point is a little bit deceptive. I want to say one quick thing before we keep going forward. Yes. I'm sure there's people, I haven't looked at all, but I'm sure there's people in the Twitch chat going like, if it goes and picks up people by itself, they're just going to like trash the car. And that's possible. It's probably going to be a Uber style app thing that you have to use and your credit card will be attached to it and they'll have IDs attached to it. And if you screw up the car, they'll just wreck you. Right. So, yeah, it's probably fine. I mean, probably stuff will happen. Yes. Definitely stuff will happen. Yeah. But for the most part, maybe it'll be okay. And I mean, I'm sure that they're going to, I'm sure they're going to make it kind of smarter than we're thinking. You could probably have a trusted list of people that you're willing to share your car with even. Oh, that would be like family and friends rides. You could have probably different tiers. This is acting like a tax? Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You could decide what level of sharing you want to do. And you could treat it like a social network. So you could say friends of friends are okay. Yeah. So if you need to borrow your buddy's truck and he has a Tesla truck and you have a Tesla car, you can like send your car off to him for the day, borrow his truck for the day and then switch back later on. Absolutely. That's cool. You don't even have to worry about your buddy crashing your truck because he doesn't have to drive it because the Tesla thing is going to drive it for it. So like there's all kinds of cool stuff. And like. You have to make Tesla trailers. Like, oh man, that's treating it like a social network. I like that. That's smart. That's cool. Anyway, back to the ZTE Z Max Pro. It is a ninety nine dollar phone, which absolutely blew me away because it has a 1080p IPS display. It has a Qualcomm processor. So it's not it's not a Snapdragon 820. Let's be realistic. But it is Qualcomm. It's not MediaTek. It's got 32 gigs of storage, two gigs of RAM, thirty four hundred milliamp hour battery. Like it's pretty freaking impressive. Six inch display. It is missing a couple of things. It does not have dual band Wi-Fi, two point four gigahertz only. It does not have NFC. There was one other thing that really irked me. And so I was going to review the crap out of this. I was like, oh my goodness, I've got this in my hand. I'm like ready. And then I realized it's Metro PCS. Like I couldn't put my SIM in it. It wasn't unlocked. And they wouldn't even think even ZTE wasn't able to unlock it for me because you have to have it active on a Metro PCS plan for 90 days in order to get the one hundred dollar rebate. Now I'm so excited for Tesla trucks. At the prepaid. OK. Yeah. And it will remain at ninety nine dollars. This is not just an intro promo. So OK. Very impressive phone. If you are looking for like a prepaid phone carrier and you just need like a cheap device and then you want to like port it over to a different carrier later, have a look at which bands it supports. Double check. Make sure it supports the bands of the carrier of your choice. But I would highly recommend it based on the price at ninety nine bucks. It like felt good. I didn't test the camera much, so I wouldn't expect it to be anything special. But it blew me away in terms of the rest of the functionality at ninety nine bucks with NFC being a bit of a bummer and five gigahertz Wi-Fi being like a pretty big bummer. I had the phone actually. Jake shipped it back to them today because I was like, look, I'm not reviewing this. I'm sorry. I thought it was ninety nine unlocked. That's why I was like so excited. Now I'm just like a little bit excited. So I'll cover it on WAN show and I will hold up the phone. But I can't because Jake's too efficient. Way to go, Jake. Way to go, Jake. You jerk. I think that's pretty much all that I've. Oh, actually, no, I really want to I want to do this. ArsTechnica.co.uk wearable maker Fitbit must face lawsuit oversleep tracking claims. They're just getting wrecked. I mean, let's talk about fitness trackers for a minute here. I know Luke has a piece planned where he's going to be comparing a bunch of different I don't think I want to say anything. Should I say anything about it yet? No, because I don't know anything. OK. If you're on the way in, then you don't have to like hold anything back. And I can just say whatever and you can just sit there poker face and we won't know how true or untrue any of it is. But basically, my experience with fitness trackers is that they spit out meaningless numbers and due to battery life constraints are not able to actually perform the functions that they claim to perform. Things like sleep tracking for a device that I have to take off even once or twice a week to charge at night is just stupid because it's not actually getting the whole picture. And I haven't even looked at any of my notes on this yet. So class action lawsuit accusing Fitbit of misrepresenting the ability for it to track sleep and OK, and it can move forward, says a federal judge. The San Francisco federal lawsuit claims Fitbit materially misrepresented their packaging of their flex product to track users' hours, slept times, woken up and sleep quality. The suit alleges false advertising, unfair trade practices, fraud and other claims. It could still be dismissed, but I mean, they're at some point, you know, fitness tracker wearers are wearable makers who, for the most part, as far as I can tell, are just kind of not doing enough R&D on all of this stuff. We're going to get taken to task and it looks like it's happening now. I'm just going to what I'll say for now is that I think you're pretty close. End of an era. Original article from CDV News, Japan to manufacture the last ever VCR this summer. So if you want a VCR brand new, now is the time to get it. I wonder who's going to get the last manufactured VCR ever. Funai Electric Company is the last remaining Japanese manufacturer of VCR devices. They've sold under various names like Sanyo in North America and they've been making VHS recorders since 1983. They've reported sales of 750,000 video recorders worldwide in 2015 and this is pretty much it. There was actually a pretty good summary of what VHS was for those of you who are fairly young and don't really remember it. But going back in time, Phillips and Sony presented their first reel-to-reel videotape recorders in the 1960s and the first home devices followed in the 1970s and were actually showcased at CES. Several formats sprung up over the years to compete in the consumer market, Sony's Betamax and the widely adopted VHS developed by JVC. It launched officially in 1976 with the first compatible recorders released in Japan before rolling out worldwide. VHS cassettes could record between 30 minutes and 5 hours of video footage and over time VCR recorders were even capable of doubling this capacity recording up to 10 hours on a single cassette. Although considered better quality, Betamax never managed to rival the VHS format and actually at the end of 2015, Sony announced it would stop selling Betamax cassettes commercially this year as well. It's over, an end of an era and actually that leads us into yet another topic that we really have to cover, an era that just won't end. The WRT-54GL. How many have you owned? How many have I owned? I have never owned one. Or bought for someone else? I bought one. That's it. I bought one for someone else and that's it. In terms of recommending at a store that I worked at, my number is I don't even know. Oh, if we want to talk about that, mine's a lot higher. Yeah, probably. That's true. But, ludicrous amounts and I've bought for myself or friends and family, I think, four. It was released in 2005, which when we talk about in terms of technology, products is ridiculous. It's a 54 megabit per second router as far as I was... Gee. It's not even dual band. Why do people still want this? The open source firmware, the reliability make it attractive. You can buy a new router for less money. Get the benefit of modern standards, expansion into the 5 gigahertz band and data rates more than 20 times higher. The 54GL costs around 43 bucks US on Amazon. But despite this, people are buying it in large enough numbers that Linksys continues to earn millions of dollars per year. This is a great quote. Linksys global product manager, Vince Leducca, told ours, to be honest, it somewhat baffles my mind. But we'll keep building it because people keep buying it. Wonderful. Alright, so I think that pretty much wraps it up. Thank you very much for tuning into the WAN Show this week. I'm sorry it was late. I think based on how smoothly the stream has gone since we started it and got the audio fixed that I'm basically not going to touch anything and hopefully we will be good to go next week. But that strategy has definitely worked for us in the past. And it has also not worked for us at times in the past. Ever. Ever. So thank you for watching and we will see you again next week. 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