 Welcome to the WAN show guys we are in HD Woooo 2013 I know right it's like we've caught up to the entire rest of the internet and actually I should be monitoring here I don't know well only one of them is plugged in because we have relocated the entire setup of all the gear and everything and we're sorry we're a little bit late but we did end up sort of having some technical difficulties we only forgot one small adapter which for anyone who's ever relocated a bunch of tech crap one small adapter is not too bad it's not bad and unfortunately I have no tech gear at my house anymore it's all at Linus Media Group headquarters so we don't have anything but what we do have is a fantastic show for you guys today so if you've been sitting on the Twitch channel then you'll have probably seen this already in the video introduction that we upload to YouTube that I normally record locally locally and then upload but at any rate Windows Do it live! Sorry? Do it live! Windows 8 is no longer permitted on hardware bought you can't benchmark competitively on Windows 8 so we're going to tell you more about that later Space glasses Space glasses they're crazy they can simulate things that you touch in mid-air Are you the only one calling them space glasses? No the link is to space glasses Oh that's their website I didn't even notice I was looking at the company name I was watching the videos about it I was like where did he get space glasses from? Although what's funny about their company logo and okay okay this is okay No let's get to our topics first and then we'll talk about that later but remind me Maxwell is rumored to release in quarter one of 2014 which might make Nvidia look a little bit scared at the whole volcanic islands thing coming out soon Because remember guys the way that AMD and Nvidia control information if there's a leak they wanted there to be a leak pretty much They're so tight about that stuff so if they're leaking hey we got stuff coming it might be because they want to talk about how you Probably not quite run out and buy an AMD graphics card just yet please So that's that could be very interesting the graphics war is heating up again it's exciting Speaking of exciting things if you are Microsoft you are either excited or not excited Steve Ballmer is retiring He's giving an awful long lead time so he's saying sometime in the next 12 months he will be retiring But I mean that's appropriate given that they haven't picked a successor yet and you know it's you got to respect the guy for being willing to stick it out As much as an entire year more before just sort of leaving them to fend for themselves so we're going to have more on that soon But before we do that let's kick things up a notch with the intro Wow I'll have to lean over here to do this So guys last week was a bit of a fiasco with our whole Squarespace thing but this week is not Squarespace is the easy way to create a beautiful website just visit squarespace.com slash Linus and use the offer code Linus8 for 10% off new accounts You're going to want to check this out and we actually have something really cool to show you guys later on That I have had Diesel the intern working on throughout this week using Squarespace So we have a bit of an updated Linus Media Group website which I think looks pretty good and took a lot less time than the older WordPress based ones So guys you're going to want to check that out So without further ado let's get into it hardware bot bans Windows 8 benchmarks due to RTC issue So basically if you decrease the base clock and increase your multiplier We should start with some background because not everyone's going to know what a hardware bot is Ok so hardware bot guys is sort of the governing authority on competitive computer benchmarking If you haven't heard of it before go check it out hardwarebot.com And what they do is they catalog and give awards to the people who are really at the top of their game It's kind of like the the fecal standards and measurements whatever those guys are in that South Park episode with the giant turd So they oversee all this stuff even if only the kinds of people who are really into computers Just like the kinds of people who are really into turd sized might actually care about it They dedicate an unbelievable amount of effort into making sure that everything's fair and everything's on the up and up Which ain't easy with anything digital because all these overclocker guys They're tuners and tweakers and geeks and hackers And you got to be sort of fighting that while helping them to anyway Ok so that's hardware bot so what's an RTC? RTC is the clock in Windows so it's keeping track of time and if that isn't properly running things can get really really messed up So there's a lot of things that rely on RTC backups rely on RTC benchmarks some benchmarks not all benchmarks rely on RTC Anything scheduled. Applications can rely on RTC? So if you play like if you ever played older Windows 3.1 games like I had this one game called Goose Where you were like a little like tank and you're like Anyway it was good I liked it What happened was my family upgraded our computer and all of a sudden the tank went so fast I couldn't do anything Because that application was not taking time from the system's RTC It was actually just running as fast as the processor could possibly run it and that's the thing So RTC is good we like it Ok so the problem has to do with certain Intel platforms and Windows 8 So the base clock is how the clock speed of your CPU which should not be confused with the system clock that's running Because that's what was happening in that old Goose thing whereas the time for the application was derived from the clock speed of the CPU Which is totally wrong now. It's crazy. It's insane it should have never worked that way. No but a lot of them did So the clock speed of your CPU is derived from the multiplier times the base clock so when you're increasing or decreasing the base clock What are we seeing here? So what's happening is they're allowing for a bigger time window by decreasing their base clock But then not making their CPU faster by increasing their multiplier So the CPU has instead of say 5 minutes it'll have 5 minutes and 18 seconds to complete the benchmark And in that amount of time a lot of benchmarks are like ok how much can you do in this amount of time? So they give themselves 18 more seconds but they're at the same speed they were before So they decrease their base clock, increase their multiplier, give themselves a bigger window and then achieve a better score Now to be clear hardware bot doesn't necessarily think that this was being intentionally exploited at least that's the official word Who knows what they know or don't know but they have found the error And here's the funny thing is you talk to even super knowledgeable people like I was talking to Andre Yang and JJ from ASUS Where my whole thing to them was well changing base clock doesn't really change performance And they were like well it can in certain cases so for all we know base clock can change performance in certain cases This is true but for all we know some of the perceived improvements in performance we were getting from base clock tuning Might have been because we didn't have a second stopwatch running next to this other system and it's as much as a 7% difference 7% difference if you like you can get it higher Or 6% Yeah 6% depending on how you adjust it and stuff you can adjust that difference a little bit So depending how much you're underclocking the base clock and compensating with multiplier you can move around how much of a difference it makes So what you could do is if you were intentionally exploiting it you could actually tune it so that you beat someone else by like half a percent So that it's believable Looks reasonable But yeah very very fascinating and you know you look at an issue like this and you kind of wonder well whose problem is it to fix this exactly Yeah yeah like apparently the changes were made so that Windows 8 could be put on much lower powered devices It's a lot easier to run the new RTC than it used to be so different processors and all that kind of stuff can do it much better And the thing there is that how easy is it going to be for Microsoft to patch this when they still have to enable you know whatever other devices Whether it's you know super low power Intel Haswell based chips or they're probably using the same technology in RT So they're going to have to probably adapt it for ARM or they're going to have to run two separate clocks It just gets really awkward right I mean the idea of RT and Windows 8 is that aside from x86 compatibility they're supposed to be And then how much do you expect Microsoft to really invest in this too That's one thing that came up to my mind right away it was like okay it's a whole bunch of niche overclockers which I love But does Microsoft care that much like they've obviously been moving away from But we don't know what else this affects I mean for all we know this could affect simulations of oil pipeline drilling Or something like that So if something like that comes in they'll get I think more pressure than they will from the overclocking community Yeah definitely the overclocking community is you know Awesome but not that big We love them but what can we say So our scheduled guest for today is Locker Gnome or Chris Perillo as depending on at what point in history you followed him or how closely You'll have probably heard of him though he's one of the pioneers of tech videos to put it mildly So I'm just tweeting him right now and finding out where we're at on that Because I don't think we managed to get a test call going today So hopefully we're going to get that going pretty quick just wanted to bring that up And our next topic should we jump right into EA Might as well yeah might as well EA moment we need like an intro thing for this so that we can like really do it properly They didn't do anything bad this week They didn't do anything bad so our source for this one is Escapist magazine And like you know they don't know what to make of it we don't know what to make of it EA offers full refunds for unsatisfied origin customers Now my first reaction to this was I was like okay it's Escapist so they're probably trolling EA Because EA is offering refunds on Origin which is free or something Like I mean that's the level of stupidity we've come to expect from these guys But no that is not what they did So it's supposed to be a benefit over like physical retail so with physical retail you buy a game you try and return it no No not so much not a PC game because it has a license attached to it But I mean a big part of that is because that digital license is because I mean you used to be able to return games Back when they didn't have a serial number attached to it that was like you know a one-time use battle net account That now all of a sudden the serial number means nothing Back before that you could return them so it's actually the digital rights that are making it so that retailers can't take games back And from my perspective I'm looking at a digital piece of merchandise going well hold on a minute why can't Steam give you a refund It totally could because they can remove it from your account and that's the only way you have to use this thing So if they remove it from your account they can take the key back and resell that key And I understand the you know you don't want someone buying a game to do a speed run of it and returning it But I think EA has found a very nice balance here so they're calling it the great game guarantee It's only running on EA titles irony This is weird No I understand it because how would you get a third party developer to take a game back Well what I was thinking is you could you buy batches of keys I think this is how it works I'm not entirely sure But you buy batches because Steam will run out of keys for certain games sometimes So I think they buy batches I don't know don't quote me on that but you have this batch of keys If you get returned you just put that back into inventory and resell it Unless the license terms you have with the developer don't allow you to do that That's true yeah Which could very well be the case That could very well be true So they're doing EA games only they are allowing either 24 hours after you first launch the game or 7 days after you buy the title Whichever comes first Whichever comes first and they're giving you that long to just say no I actually don't like this game at all I mean it's not the kind of thing where it's like oh you know I'm 12 hours into the campaign and maybe it's not the greatest thing ever If you're 12 hours into the campaign the idea is you buy it This is to protect you from oh it's not compatible with my graphics card or like you know crossfire stutters all over the balls And you know in crisis 2 Or it's a bad sequel or something you don't like it and you know right away You know instantly the idea is you're not stuck with it you can get a full refund I mean if it was of like a launch day bug you could even return it and go you know what I still want to play this game But maybe I'll buy it when they fix the bug And I think this puts the right kind of pressure on the game developers too to stop releasing you know day 1 or day 2 or day 3 patches Because now the pressure is going to be on the EA teams to deliver a working title at launch Because otherwise they're going to take returns This is going to I mean this is going to indirectly make EA potentially a better game company Because they're not going to be able to just be like oh well we'll just release it and then they're stuck with it Hopefully it does that Hopefully it does that It has potential to do that One thing that I will see it doing is I'll lean up like I'm not a huge fan of Origin Origin in itself is I guess okay the main reason why I don't like it is because it's another freaking application that I have to run Yeah Origin plus Battle Log Oh Battle Log Oh Battle Log Okay sorry I won't go into Battle Log Yeah but like this makes it look pretty enticing because Steam you have no ability to do this Steam has summer sales you buy things for $2 but Steam doesn't have any ability And officially Origin has one selling point that Steam doesn't now One but it still has one But that's one That's one And are we getting I mean are we getting closer to digital I think this is crazy Where digital retail is behind physical retail for customer satisfaction policies Isn't that insane? Where Amazon has a better return policy than Steam Yeah Come on I mean Amazon has to a lot of the times you know a lot for particularly items where there's some actual margin built into them They'll even ship a return label for you to ship it back to them Not only are they not getting your money for the transaction they're going to eat shipping back on it they're losing money on it Whereas Steam there is no shipping They could even make it an automated system apply for refund within even if they gave you six hours If they gave me honestly I'd be happy with that I can usually figure out if I'm going to like a game in six hours Yeah six hours after first launch I think would even be fair but EA's gone above and beyond that They've said 24 hours if you're not going to get more than a full day's enjoyment out of our game then we're going to give it back to you If you wait till the weekend play it on Saturday and just go for gold you can beat a lot of games in 24 hours Well I mean I don't want to encourage people to do that No but I'm just saying it's ballsy on EA's behalf to allow a 24 hour window because of that I agree it's not fair and if I like a game I'm going to pay for it but it's pretty ballsy and they're going to get a lot of people doing that Not that I think it's right but they're going to get a lot of people doing that And that's frustrating I wish it didn't have to be like that I mean I am like gushing about how great EA is right now But like okay at the same time like Steam's great I love Steam Compare them to Valve and Blizzard at this point though I mean look at Blizzard who could be more draconian than Blizzard about no you pay you own I mean look at how broken some of the stuff they've done over the last while is and no you pay you own that's it So I love this Diablo 3 launch imagine how many returns they would have gotten for Diablo 3 launch I know It's crazy Like the pressure is going to be on EA to like no no that sports game is like you know going to have the right stats for you know whoever Anyway moving into Diablo 3 Diablo 3 Reaper of Souls expansion is coming We don't know when No but it's coming But it's coming so this was an article on Joystick so I'm just going to go ahead and flip over there right now Zoom in on that there for you guys so it was revealed at Gamescom and there's actually quite a lot of information given about it Let's start with the less important stuff I guess So there's a new class That is going to be called the Crusader So it's going to be kind of like a paladin which it's like who didn't see that one coming Yeah I was kind of surprised it wasn't like in already I thought they were going to have more anyways Well they were saving it for expansions I guess But like really? Yeah it had very few classes at launch what was it for? Warrior, Demon Hunter, Wizard And Brogue basically or whatever they call it now I don't remember Anyway so they had a few so now it's like yay one more class So there's new end game content, there's a higher level cap, there's new monsters, there's a new story act But this is what I want to talk about The new loot system, loot 2.0 They've actually taken, I mean look at this I'm going to say something positive about Blizzard today too Positivity day I know it's like the good news show So the new loot system is going to adapt the drops to be fewer So your inventory isn't just going to be full of stupid like you know leg of warts all the time I don't even know if that's a thing anymore but see I'm showing my old schoolness Oh I forgot to change back to us So yeah not so full of you know stupid stuff anymore But it's going to be fewer better drops More tailored More and in addition to that something to do with that you might actually want to use them Because right up till now it looked like okay you were just kind of farming gold So you could buy things in the Arshin house Which is just like ahhh Which is like okay yes Blizzard you know you get a cut out of the auction house sales and that's great for you But you shouldn't just be buying all the gear That takes the satisfaction out of a dungeon crawler What's fun about grinding? Unless there's like the thrill of getting the drop Which is much lower when you fully expect to just be farming gold to buy it out of an auction house And how disappointing is it to get a drop that's like so legit and not anything to do with anything you can use So now you get to go and like sell it It's like Diablo 3 accounting edition Instead of the actual excitement of crawling around and finding that thing That's so cool I mean if I just wanted to grind and buy something I could go do odd jobs for people in their yards I could get a tan I could work on my muscles And then I could go buy whatever sword I want That's basically what it was So I think it's really exciting that there's that Oh and the new mystic So there's a new artisan that allows you to re-roll stats on regular items Which is interesting that's cool Which is very interesting It's like you buy something or you get something and it's like oh this is like really good But it's like if only it would sort of Slightly be different Slightly be more different then that would be even better So that's uh You know Blizzard doing something right It's just a really weird combination Um Do do do do do How's that coming Talking to Chris on Twitter He's like yup yup we got oh I don't have windows readily available So he's throwing comms on his Surface Pro And is definitely working on it now Um add Linus Tech to uh Uh So don't worry Don't worry Locker gnome will be joining us It's just a matter of getting the technical The technical things sort of worked out here So let's move into our next topic You wanna pick our next topic? We got Ben Affleck as Batman Come on Although as long as he doesn't do the like I'm Ben Affleck And I have throat cancer Also I'm a superhero Like thing I did That annoyed me so much Yeah It actually made the movies like aside from that they were amazing And Heath Ledger is basically like The best thing to ever happen to Batman Or basically my childhood ever Uh well I can be a man child I was like wait what I mean uh that movie particularly I loved Dark Knight Because okay so One thing you just mentioned We should just talk about how great Heath Ledger is for the next 10 minutes And just completely gloss over Ben Affleck I actually I saw this on Reddit This is like one of the only times I've actually been able to get a newsworthy item from Reddit Uh cause our forum is just too good at the moment But uh Heath Ledger When he was casted as the Joker Got a whole bunch of flack Because of previous movies that he had done 10 Things I Hate About You was an awesome movie So whatever He didn't look like he would be able to fit the role very well Because of a lot of the previous roles that he had done So he got a ton of flack Now that being said I don't think he's gotten as much flack as Ben Affleck But So there's Ben Affleck I mean I understand that Bruce Wayne is supposed to be a pretty boy He's got the chin dimple Yeah he's He's got the chin dimple So we give him full marks for a chin I just That matters a lot on Batman I know but I don't see him as an unstoppable badass And that and you're gonna put him next to Superman So like Batman's already the red headed step child of that particular superhero team up And speaking of superhero team ups and red headed step childs and Batman vs Superman Check this out So this was a Vsauce video that I don't know if you guys have had a chance to check out But I quite enjoyed it So there's an ad running here right now But Uh here Oh wait I'm not monitoring at all am I? I don't think it's working I have no idea what the audio level is like But anyway the point is check it out it's on Vsauce 3 And it's What If Superman Punched You And this came up in no small part because of the upcoming Batman Superman crossover It's like how helpless is Batman? Let's go Batman vs Superman He loses Cause the stupid arguments have been like Oh well Batman can afford kryptonite If he has like kryptonite bat star things that he can throw at him How do you hit Superman with a star? Yeah it's not gonna happen Like he's super I mean honestly that's one of the things that's bothered me about Superman a lot He's too emba How does he how well no it's not Well he's too emba and then he's like defeated by his own just It's not even like defeated by his hubris or his tragic flaw Or anything like that it's like defeated by sheer utter stupidity But yeah that's the argument as to why Batman could possibly win Is that Batman is the opposite he always wins by his intelligence and planning and cunning You can be as cunning as you want but if someone like punches so hard That they could like hit the earth on the opposite side of the world as you And the shockwave that hit you would like you know bust you up then I mean he's got laser eyes But what if he never gets a chance? Why does Superman never get why does he ever get close to anything? He should just laser eye everything I mean he's Superman so it's not like oh well his laser eyes might hurt an innocent bystander Well then he should like laser eye the tire of the car so perfectly And like reflect it off Right? Yeah but Superman's an idiot He always gets in terrible terrible situations So Superman's a dumb jock And Batman is the very intelligent cunning planning person So Superman just runs around and That's actually Indiana Jones that you were going for there You know what? Indiana Jones versus either of them go What? Oh man See Batman always sets up situations If he set up a situation with all his bling and amounts of money And bought all the kryptonite ever he might actually be able to win But if you put them in a small closed room and had a fist fight Which is apparently your description of it Then yeah Superman's obviously gonna win Okay Now if Batman is Ben Affleck I don't know Then we're maybe giving Batman too much credit for what you're trying to say I like Ben Affleck but I don't know if he fits this role Now he can surprise me like Heath Ledger That would be awesome Man Heath Ledger's awesome I wish Heath Ledger wasn't dead Me too It's not often that I kind of sit around going I wish someone wasn't dead But I wish Heath Ledger wasn't dead Oh man I have confidence in Ben Affleck I think he can do something I do like him but I don't know It's not exactly his style of role Yeah Alright you introduce our next topic I got a thing going on here Alright One second So Oculus is looking to solve simulator sickness Simulator sickness is not like motion sickness Motion sickness is when there's all this motion but you can't visually perceive things moving Simulator sickness is when you visually perceive things moving and there's not all this motion So it has been giving people a lot of dizzy spells a lot of headaches people have thrown up stuff like that So they're trying to solve the problem They haven't yet but they are working on it and they do think that they can grow towards the goal of at least reducing it to an incredible degree Where it won't be that big of a problem because right now it is fairly common for people to get simulator sickness Did you get it when we tried out the Omni and the Oculus? I did not but you didn't no one did right? I felt a little bit motion sick but I don't know if like it was it was at the beginning and then it kind of went away Another thing for us though is that that wasn't fair we were moving Oh okay Because I thought about this we were not sitting planted in a chair we were moving around And one thing that people have talked about is one of the things people have been doing with Oculus Rift is put out interesting experiments Where they'll have people lay down and then have them like fall in the game I see And then they feel like they're falling and kind of freak out a little bit And that is going to be interesting because you're not moving at all but you're falling So your mind is going to freak out especially fast movement so if you whip around or if you're on a roller coaster and you go down And your body isn't moving your head is supposed to mess up so we don't actually have the proper What I was thinking about with this is that I would join the chat too and then you could monitor through there That works Okay sure So okay on the other hand this could be great for guys like Virtuex with the Omni Which is the, for those of you who aren't familiar with the Virtuex Omni it's the Omni directional treadmill That is intended to allow you to move around and walk around and run around sort of like running and gunning with Oculus Rift So if it ends up being that you kind of have to move to use Oculus this is going to be great for the physical condition of gamers everywhere And great for companies that want to make accessories for products like Oculus And not that Omni wasn't already legit but this just makes it so much more legit Because if you are someone who is afflicted by simulator sickness you can get an Omni and solve that problem hopefully Very very cool Okay let's do one more topic before we break for our sponsor break for Squarespace And then we're going to bring Chris Perillo in after the break so go for it I've just got one more quick thing to do here This is another fairly short one so we'll try and keep it to that ICANN, I don't remember exactly what it stands for it's like, I'll try and find it But ICANN has banned dotless domains Google was trying to get HTTP colon slash slash search, no www dot no dot com And it hasn't happened yet there aren't any yet but they have preemptively banned them This is apparently a really big deal I personally don't really care that much because browsers have this really good ability to autocorrect things So it's actually really not that big of a deal if you just type in search it'll find it anyways and that's dotless So I'm not too worried about the exact domain personally But apparently a lot of people are Google kind of seems to think it's a big deal but ICANN talks so ICANN does They are the internet corporation for assigned names and numbers Which is kind of hilarious That's like the driest thing I've ever heard in my life I remember that it was ridiculous but I didn't remember exactly what it was Assigned names and numbers isn't that big of a deal but internet corporation I find hilarious Okay you know what I've got Chris calling in right now so we're going to go ahead and move to that and we'll do our sponsor break afterwards So yeah I'm going to add Slick to the conversation as well here So here we go yep and wherever he is there we go Add friend and in theory we should be able to monitor things so here we go Slick pick up Hey yo Chris can you hear us? I can hear you Hey hey that's fantastic So say hello to the WAN show I guess and if you could do a brief introduction of yourself for those who have been living under a rock And have never heard of you that would be fantastic as well Hello world I'm Chris Perillo aka Locker Gnome on YouTube Although I guess formally known as Locker Gnome on YouTube since they've recently switched me over to my real name I am officially Chris Perillo And if anything I create videos on a daily basis revolving around geek culture Not just technology but well beyond it If I did nothing but talk about technology I don't think I would be married And you know that's a good thing I think I'm happily married and turning my wife into a geek we just recently started watching Doctor Who I got her to watch Star Wars for the first time a few weeks back and we've documented the entire experience So for me it's about living a geek lifestyle and loving geek culture and so the videos that I produce tend to revolve around that I'm just going to start out by saying that I'm very impressed because I have managed to get my wife to watch Star Wars with me But she fell asleep during each movie so she's actually only seen about the first third of each movie from the original trilogy Meaning she's only probably seen one Star Wars movie sort of Ouch Yeah I had explained over and over again that she would understand so much more about me and of course the jokes that I would make If she watched the movies and that was enough motivation to get her through it and she enjoyed them a lot That is fantastic and that's very cool So for those of you guys who don't know how to follow Chris he's available on Twitter he's available on YouTube I think he's probably one of the easiest guys in the world to get in touch with because if you just Google his name there's all kinds of great results Speaking of which Chris on Twitter the other day I saw a fantastic tweet of a picture of you on the front of a VHS cassette Can you tell us a little about that? Yeah that was during a brief run of hosting a television show on a network that no longer exists And during a part of that stint we, this is of course back in the day when VHS was state of the art We recorded in an afternoon's time how to use your computer and this is right before Windows XP had been released And someone found this VHS tape at a garage sale and took a picture of it I got a kick out of it, it's kind of cute, I've got a couple of them left, I guess they're antiques I mean I have VHS tapes but no VCR in the house or maybe I do somewhere, I don't know It could be, I mean if you're anything like me there's probably a VCR but it would take you years to find it Now that's the thing about technology is it's fun and it's interesting but it's outdated so quickly And it's one of the reasons why with my YouTube channel I've evolved to addressing more of geek culture So like Star Wars is not going out of style anytime soon, nor is Doctor Who or Lego bricks In fact Lego sets appreciate in value compared to technology which usually loses value over time So it speaks very much to one of the reasons why I've taken the approach of tapping into my inner geek And letting my geek flag fly in social media And you know what's funny is not only is technology more relevant moving forward from a dollar amount value perspective But I've also observed that it's more relevant, sorry, technology becomes less relevant from a value perspective But geek culture doesn't do that same thing and what I've noticed is if you check out my YouTube channel Three of my four top videos ever in terms of views are unboxings and overviews of a remote control fire truck A remote control excavator and the Parrot AR drone even though I'm a strictly computer channel so to speak Yeah, you know I had the same revelation, some of my better traffic videos had to do with my Lego sets The Lego Death Star, Lego AT-AT, Star Wars, Lego, geekiness, you know and I'm like okay I need to be more of myself One of the things that surprised me the most, I went down to Science World and they had a huge Lego exhibit And I started looking around and then I noticed that everyone else looking around was about as old as me Which was interesting and like there were some kids there but the adults were the most interested And then you go down to the Lego store in Vancouver and it's a whole bunch of adults and a whole bunch of kids So it's one of those things that you can still enjoy when you're older too Y'all gotta come down for BrickCon, it happens in October in Seattle and it is amazing It is a Lego, a festival really but it's done more for AFOLs or adult fans of Lego And the structures that people make are just so fantastic like a scale model to mini figures of the Hogwarts castle Or a full tower or think from the Lord of the Rings, not the official set but like in my own creation build I mean it's just, it is so incredible to see the creativity that comes out of people when you give them the right tools And that's the beauty of technology today is we're evolving with Arduinos and really Raspberry Pis Low cost, easy to use, configurable, moldable, you can make anything that your mind can handle And you're not limited by the tool set in front of you And I look at Lego bricks for as non-tech as they are in much the same way as I do Arduinos and Raspberry Pis They're building blocks Right, you can make something It's almost like we're coming full circle because in the early days of electronics and computing Everything was DIY and then things got kind of too complicated and the tools didn't really catch up To the point where it felt like nothing was DIY for a while there And then now we're getting back into it with highly programmable things like Arduino And with, I mean some of the cool DIY type projects that I've seen turned into real products Like I had, it's called the O2 amplifier And basically these are DIY headphone amps that are just built by a dude who designed it and was like Oh, well I see a bunch of problems with the commercially available products so I'm going to fix it Outstanding, I love it And then now we're getting into 3D printers and stuff Just being able to make your own things and mess around with your own things This could be the golden age of DIY because even when you were able to build your own electronics 30 years ago, 40 years ago and it would be similar to what you could buy off a shelf Now all of a sudden, what's always been difficult is housings and tooling Housing and tooling can be 3D printing, programming and all that kind of stuff Arduinos and Raspberry Pis, blah blah blah blah blah You can build a thing out of Lego and 3D printing Well, you look at the, Microsoft talking about enabling 3D printing by default in future versions of Windows That's pretty powerful stuff That's pretty forward thinking for them Yeah, but the problem is that it's got to be a lot more consumer friendly It's just not there yet I've seen a few really amazing Kickstarter projects that would work in theory But the issue I have with a lot of Kickstarter projects that have to do with technology is that Usually the teams that have great ideas suck on execution I mean, you look at potentially amazing things like the Ubuntu phone Which may go somewhere but didn't really make its mark in terms of community backing You know, there's sometimes a disconnect between the value of technology and the consumer adoption of technology And whether or not they actually see the value in something Absolutely, I mean I know we haven't even managed to talk about any of our topics on the dock yet Oh my bad I know you're a star, no no, it's as much us as you and I'm about to derail us again So as much of a Star Wars geek as you are, Disney You know, initially I had a knee-jerk reaction and gagged But I really have appreciated the way they've handled some superhero movies And certainly appreciated the bringing on of J.J. Abrams Appreciate the work that he's done Disney can market, they can franchise And they've come out and said they understand that fans want them to go back to the basics Think about the fans at the center of this universe Not necessarily the technology that empowers movies and special effects And so I think their heart is definitely in the right place They realize it's their game to lose And you really can't screw up much more than the prequels Although the more I watch the prequels, the happier I am with them So I'm very, very positive that Disney will treat the Star Wars franchise better than I think Lucas could Okay, but look at what happened I'm going to play devil's advocate because I don't necessarily disagree with you But look at even something that's an original IP that they have Like Pirates of the Caribbean First film, I have no idea how many times I've watched that movie I've completely lost count It got progressively so much worse Because it seems like... oh, come on! Oh, come on, at once You're not going to tell me movies three and four shouldn't have been one movie, are you? Well, yeah, I guess No, I enjoyed four I mean, it was different, but I didn't not enjoy it I've enjoyed every single Pirates of the Caribbean movie I enjoyed them, but I didn't rewatch them The way that I've rewatched one And the way that I've rewatched original trilogy Star Wars Really? I'm on the same level, the same actually I did really enjoy them, they're really good movies But the first one was epic and the other ones were just very enjoyable And for me, it really felt... Go ahead, go ahead I found the third one more epic than the first one, I guess For Pirates of the Caribbean I liked the scale of the third one Like the epicness was there Yes, I'll give you that But it felt like to me the problem was they broke their own rules for the sake of epicness In the first movie, we exist in sort of a pretty normal world Except for this cursed ship And then it seems like it just goes, so to speak, off the deep end In the movies that come later And it's something that, you know, you look at the really great franchises like Harry Potter Harry Potter, for the most part, never breaks its own rules that it established right at the beginning It allows it to... Okay, so here, go ahead, go ahead But with Harry Potter, they were going from a script They were going from an overall arc And I don't know if they expected to do the same thing with Pirates of the Caribbean until it was found to be a commercial success Okay, so Star Wars Are we going to give them the benefit of the doubt and go, okay, if they're going to say yearly releases and big productions every two years Are they going to be working 20 years out on a story arc? I'm guessing that... Well, maybe not story arc But if they are faithful to at least adhering to the notion of not breaking canon Then I think they'll be fine But the moment you step outside that boundary, like Star Wars, was... Okay, a new hope was meant to be a standalone, right? In the middle of this 12-story monolith that Lucas had in his head In fact, recently, at a Star Wars celebration in Europe Mark Hamill had suggested that originally Lucas was going to have the Death Star around forever But he blew it up in a new hope And then, of course, brought it back in Return of the Jedi But originally, it was just supposed to be one Death Star He had to make sure because he wasn't sure it was going to be successful So I think he violated canon in and of itself by going back and establishing a prequel Or trying to give you a backstory of Anakin Skywalker and who he was But I mean, I wouldn't have minded an origin story for Anakin Skywalker If, once again, they hadn't broken their own rules The Force is... it surrounds us, it binds the galaxy together, it does all these things, it's mysterious It's not midichlorian Okay, so like I said, that's Lucas' problem He broke his own rules Okay, but Lucas is not Disney And if he issues what Lucas wants, I think they'll succeed So should we be more scared that he's a creative consultant or more comforted? Here's a movie to watch, The People vs. George Lucas Watch it on Netflix if you're finished watching Battlestar Galactica and Doctor Who Okay, you know what? I'm even going to put that in my document here The People vs. George Lucas I haven't watched it, although I do have a Netflix account, I got it with my Chromecast Yes, my dogs actually make a brief cameo at the beginning of the video I dressed him up as Darth Vader and Princess Leia It was a video that went viral a while ago It has nothing to do with technology That's what's popular Again, again, nothing to do with technology Again, nothing to do with technology Okay, so did you have a chance to check out some of the things in the doc that we labeled blocker gnome? I saw the entire document and actually was intrigued greatly Alright, so why don't we get into space glasses? I want to hear what you think of this Spaceglasses.com vs. Google Glass Do they have a chance? Do you mind if I actually play this video for the viewers so that they have a really good idea of what we're talking about here? You should Alright, let's play this video because if you guys haven't seen this, you are going to have your socks rocked right off right now Boom Oh yeah I don't even know if the viewers have audio right now, but I don't think it matters that much Unreal I mean, you got to be geeking out over that right there. Hey Chris You know, it's interesting. But yeah, let me see the final product because this is all pie in the sky to me It's all shut up and take my money until you actually use it Okay, so you're going to have to click on the link to get the final product And you're going to have to click on it to get the final product And you're going to have to click on it to get the final product And you're going to have to click on it to get the final product It's all shut up and take my money until you actually use it and then it's a different story You know, that's I think, you know, okay, I'm going to just I'm going to pause this now I'm going to switch back to let's let's discuss what we've seen so far Because I think that's something that you and I are very much on the same page about is that a lot of the viewers don't understand That it's actually not all fun and games doing what we do and playing with the latest technology You know, I'd say a good three times out of four. It just doesn't work even It will three times out of four. Yeah, that's probably good. That's probably pretty generous. That's very generous I mean, it looks great. But dude, that's that's total marketing video. That's like, wow, amazing The marketing video. They're also huge. That was one of the first things I noticed is they're very, very large and really unsightly So I don't actually see that many people wearing them Especially they showed the professional environment where you shaking hands with all the different people And they were basically introducing themselves verbally and through the images that the What do they call space glasses were putting up? But in a professional environment, do you really expect your boss to show up with this giant headgear? So let's talk about the culture of these wearable glasses first And then let's jump into Meta's product versus and I think their logo looks like meth. It looks like meth. It looks like meth Anyway, so let's talk about meta versus Google Glass and how that's all going to shake down So so Chris, do you expect it to be acceptable to walk into a business meeting even in five years from now? Wearing a wearable glasses technology where other people are not necessarily wearing them. I mean, you know how stodgy people can be Are they going to be feel uncomfortable because they feel like you're looking them up on Facebook while they're sitting there talking to you And is that going to continue to be a stigma even five years from now? Well, you know, I've been pretty public in terms of my, you know, belief in as far as technology goes It's going to be in personal wearable technology like Google Glass Technology is becoming increasingly pervasive and I think it's a matter of time before a good head up display or heads up display is integrated within eyewear The challenge I think you have even even Google has in fact, um, Russell Hawley who writes for geek.com Recently attended the I think it was a Moto X event. It was a Google's own event and he was told to remove Google Glass So Google didn't even want Google Glass at a Google event and if Google can't handle that I don't know how the hell they expect the average person to handle that They have stated that sorry. No, go ahead. They have stated though in the past that they they don't expect Google Glass to be able to be worn everywhere People were wondering like how hackable it would be all this kind of stuff. I call bullshit Whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on. So let me get this straight. Google charges beta testers out the yin-yang to have this product And then says well, we don't expect you're going to wear it anywhere everywhere. Really? That's the whole idea to me. Where's not okay? And you know what if Google the only okay to me the entire value of a wearable tech like Google Glass Is that I do wear it everywhere and that it actually becomes part of my life If my smartphone was my tablet then I would use it occasionally the same way I do with my tablet The whole point of a smartphone to me is it's always in my pocket I can rely on having it if I need to use it as a remote control for my TV right now because I always have it and it's always charged It's like priority number one when I go to bed isn't even brush my teeth It's plug in my smartphone and make sure it's charged for tomorrow If I am not wearing Google Glass all the time or a similar product, then it's it's lost the entire value to me Well, if I'm those interesting that Chris said was the charge for beta testers That's hilarious. The price of the product is going to be so much less than what they charge to beta testers And here's the thing. I see someone wearing Google Glass. I say, okay, you have money and you kind of look pretentious I know. Yeah. You know, it's a social stigma right now because people are living on the bleeding edge and I get it It's kind of neat and I tried it. I'm very I'm very happy to have tried it I was invited to the Explorer program, but it was just a little cost prohibitive I thought really am I am I going to get my money out of this other than bragging rights for having Google Glass? I just couldn't get past that. I couldn't figure out how's this fit and eventually costs will come down Technology will become more usable, you know having it built into prescription lenses. I wear glasses happily wear glasses I think it will become socially acceptable. But the norms today dictate that permission is not implicit When you hold a camera up to someone's face, they get uncomfortable Even if by law you have the right to be filming them at that time, they don't like it And I don't see people's desire for privacy necessarily actually changing In fact, the more it's been studied that the more connected people are the closer that you jam them in together Actually, the more they tend to try to isolate themselves In fact, it is less common to have a nosy neighbor in an apartment building than it is to have one in suburbia Because people get so close to the point where they're actually trying to separate themselves from each other as opposed to trying to get closer and snoop Yeah, I just think that people aren't ready for technology as much as technology may be ready for people There are still social boundaries that a great majority of the population are not ready to have violated If they take the camera out and like Chris said are able to integrate it into prescription glasses that look like prescription glasses That's where I'm sold. I don't want a camera in them at all because that's just creepy and weird I want no camera. I want them to look just like prescription glasses But you just want augmented reality Exactly You could probably sell me that. I mean I've said to you quite a few times I am in no way interested in the beta thousand dollar stupid thing But I am totally interested in Gen 5, Gen 10 And I think AR is definitely going to work really well but it's not the idea, it's the execution Google has a chance but they're already sidestepping a lot of those mores and expecting society is going to keep up And there's one thing that you cannot change with ease and that is culture Yes, so let's go to actually that's a great segue back to space glasses and let's talk about No, I don't have a segue. I never got a segue either Very funny man So let's go back to meta here You mentioned just now Google has a chance to make it happen Do these guys even have a chance because to me the advantage of Google is nothing to do with the glasses themselves Or even to do with the Android operating system or to do with a camera or processors or anything like that It's all about the ecosystem which is something that quite frankly is there anyone other than Google or Apple Who could replicate the ecosystem that Google has Yes, youngd404 in your chat rooms, I think he can pull it off Because he just said Chris Prillo is the best guest on the WAN show ever With three purple hearts, three purple hearts he put in there or she, I don't know I think he or she has the chance of pulling it off Okay, how about spaceglasses.com This guy is going to keep derailing me So anyway I just want to say I watched the chat, I didn't mean to derail you No, I think you're right and I think Google, if anything, Google has got a lot of data And that's its biggest advantage over Apple Google is a horizontal player versus Apple who is a vertical player Which is why I have a big problem with anybody who dares try to walk into the Android versus iOS argument Because unfortunately that argument is outmoded, it can't exist Because for better or for worse, there are two completely different market strategies to the marketplace Just like Windows to OS X to Linux I mean you can talk about operating systems and compare for feature for feature But it's asinine So Google has got the biggest advantage in terms of its ability to collect data And use that data to their advantage And unfortunately if you're not paying for a product, and sometimes if you are paying for the product, you're the product yourself And that's what Google has, it's one of the reasons why Google created the inorganic social network Or I'm sorry, social layer, Google+, which I do happen to use on a regular basis It was looking to get more data You know, Facebook wasn't giving them the data, Twitter wasn't giving them the data And Apple has almost zero data that it's willing to give out Yep, I actually have nothing to really add to all of that because I agree 100% And honestly it kind of irks me, I was a long time iOS user Because for me, iOS was the answer and honestly I still use my iPhone 4 almost every day Just as an MP3 player and to use a few apps and try some of the new stuff that's coming out So that I don't get completely to the point where I don't even know how it works anymore And they're so different and they're both so good They're different approaches to the same marketplace And that's really, it's so difficult to talk about because for better for worse And hey, I'm a geek, a different kind of geek I'm sure But people treat technology and their choices for technology as if it was a religion What? Your life really revolves around this piece of technology? Let's talk about Intel versus AMD Yeah, come on, really? Are we still, it just doesn't make any sense Protestant versus Catholic, I mean go, you know, Big Mac versus Whopper, go You're never going to win Okay, well hold on a second, I have to defend the Whopper here Because at least one day of the week is holy in the Whopper religion Yes, Wednesday When the Whopper gives back to you every Wednesday Oh by the way, DatPCGamer asked how old this kid was and this kid is 40 Oh man And he loves both Big Macs and Whoppers and you know what, that's okay He loves both Android and iOS He actually likes Windows Phone too You know what you guys, I've got to step in here and I need to do a Twitter blitz for Chris So we're going to hit one more topic and I want you guys to hit us At LinusTech on Twitter, go there right now And oh yeah, just a reminder, I forgot to mention this before All of our call-in guests are powered by Razer comms Downloaded at the Bitly link here, please do, it helps us out a whole lot Hit me on Twitter with your questions for Chris We're going to have him blitz through some questions for you guys Because as you said, he is definitely one of the more fantastic guests we've had I don't want to, you know, diss any of our other guests, but Chris you're awesome I've got one question I saw, I didn't catch who asked it But Christianity versus i7, I'm going to have to give this one to the core i7 Honestly, you've done a lot for me Sorry It's benefiting him personally I don't want to go into religious, now that I've totally usurped the show I apologize, I bring you back to your regular scheduled programming You know what, no, we're going to keep the religious debate going Because if you can't see it, it doesn't exist LG has a new display It's what it is, it's a religious debate It's like, no, it's Android all the way and anybody who doesn't believe is going to burn in hell Really? Are you serious? So wait, you're telling me that I have to live by your choices? Okay, I'm fine with that I'm fine with living by your choices the moment you start paying my bills That's right Okay, so if you can't see it, does it exist? The LG display that they are showing off is a 2560 by 1440 5.5 inch smartphone screen Although we'll probably kind of have to call it a phablet at that point Chris, how do you feel, as someone who wears glasses no less, about the race to higher resolutions Is this just a dick measuring contest from the manufacturers? Is it just a fanboyism thing from the consumers that keep pushing for higher and higher resolutions? Go! Oh, hold on, Chris, you're breaking up Give us a second Give me a second here, I'm just going to restart the voice chat on comms here Okay Okay, sorry, give me a second Don't worry, guys, we'll be back to our scheduled programming very, very shortly Regularly scheduled entertainment Yeah, which I hope is very entertaining for you guys because I am definitely having an absolute blast Anyone who joined late is like, what, religious debate? What? I know, right? What? What's happening? Okay, so hold on a second There it goes, there it goes, okay We almost have liftoff here, guys So Chris will be back in just a moment as long as we're not dropping frames We're still on, right? Like, we're still live? Maybe we got hit by the wrath of LG screens We're still live, okay, so it's not our connection this time, fortunately For those of you who are tuning in late, we're streaming from my house again because we haven't had a chance to get To diagnose with Shaw yet or have a new ISP come in and get things going for us So chat with friend Nope, nope, nope, I'll add you You're adding me? Yep Oh, okay, because you're still in, right? Yeah Okay, so go ahead and invite me Maybe I can't do that Oh, hold on, I'm still in Okay, boom Yay, yay, so You're back First of all, let me address the person who accused me of being a Cylon in the chat I am not a fracking toaster Get that through the thick skull, okay? And if you disagree, you and me are gonna have words Second of all, I think, you know, we increase screen resolution It's a law of diminishing returns, quite honestly And anybody who can see the differences I would They've got very, very finely attuned eyes because I can't And unfortunately, they're pushing these resolutions very high and that's great I love sharp images, sharp text, sharp screens The problem is the video processor or just the CPU just can't keep up And so you end up with a subpar experience And to me, technology in a device in my hand or in front of my face It's all about the experience Forget the specs 100%, absolutely Forget the specs I'm someone who I know, I'm an outlier But I believe in specs to a certain degree Without proper execution, what's the point? I've had great hardware and crappy software And this to me is exactly why the guys like LG who are releasing this Oh, there's the problem So I need to boost this one, right? Yeah, there we go All right, to me, the problem is guys like LG who were sort of I mean, how much earlier was LG in phones than Apple or Google? If they got it, if they understood that it's not about the next 5.5 inch 1080p screen and it's actually about the experience There would have been no room for guys like Apple or Google to bust in And carbonation this market if Samsung had understood, if Sony had understood And that to me is why Google is allowed to exist And that is why Google and Motorola may be the one to look out for As opposed to even Samsung in the long run on the Android platform I wouldn't count Samsung out yet Okay With Tizen or Tizen, how do you say it? Is it Tizen or Tizen? I have no idea Well, you know what I'm talking about though, right? Yes Okay, this is the open source platform being co-developed by both Samsung and Intel Just to give context for those who may not be aware I think Samsung has done more to help Android than Google, believe it or not And with Samsung potentially dropping it Hold on, I've got to cut you off here What do you mean in terms of market share and acceptance and marketing? Absolutely Yes, yes Because Google will seem to be content to let it be for nerds Don't get me wrong, I think they're spraying and praying With Samsung producing as many devices as it does It doesn't surprise me that it has the market share that it does command But they're going to be dropping Android And Android is just a means to an end for Samsung And to a certain degree, Android is just a means to an end for Google Open is great when it's a marketing term But Google is not, I don't think, they haven't been as open as they claim to be or have been We discussed this last week actually In fact, the whole fiasco with Microsoft and Google and the YouTube app is really a window into some of the things that are changing at Google right now, we feel Well, it's true and Google is, and I think Danny Sullivan put it best He called Google, Klopen, which is I guess So they're horses, klop klop klop klop klop klop klop Yeah, you could say that No, more like the words closed and open put together I know what he meant This guy is giving me this look right now How do you get to horses? I had horses as a kid Oh my goodness, okay, sorry, keep going Is my volume okay, by the way? Let me tweak you Yeah, I love being tweaked That's not exactly like a twerk, right? Sounds hot, right? I wasn't sure, I'm still not hit with the kids' lingo these days Alright, I turned you up Yay So, okay, I think basically we've come to the conclusion that Okay, I agree with you 100% The race to resolution and specs is not the be all and end all I'm interested to see what Samsung and Intel come up with However, the thing that I still am not necessarily convinced that they understand Is the experience on the software side Intel is not a software company and Samsung is not a software company And you look at their entire history of products I don't think either of them has produced anything worth a lick when it comes to software No offense No, I completely agree I do not like the TouchWiz experience on Android devices at all I think it's completely unoptimized Let's talk about Intel Vive if we all want to be old about things for a bit here Well, I didn't want to trip too far down memory lane Oh, and speaking of Someone just said, well I don't know what it was exactly But they keep bringing up the Nintendo 3D XL It was released just recently that the Google Play Store and iOS App Store Are cleaning the clock of mobile console gaming I think it's just a matter of time before Nintendo has to give up and start licensing their titles to various platforms I get a lot of flak for this opinion I think Nvidia Shield is potentially the future You know, I don't disagree I bought the Ouya and was impressed with the idea of the Ouya And I think Nvidia captured exactly what needed to be captured Now whether or not it's going to evolve that way I would be inclined to agree I think Nvidia did a good job with the Shield or as good as could be expected But it's got to be something that users are going to think of and grab first And I don't know if they're there yet I really don't And that's not to say that a console gamer is better than a PC gamer is better than a mobile gamer They're all gamers, period The lion's share of the marketplace, however, are people like me Casual gamers Plants vs. Zombies players Well, no, I don't play Honestly, the video game, I play Tetris I freaking love Tetris I play casual games, I put in monsters I pick them up, put it down And that is most of the market I mean, you have extreme gamers And that's certainly a great part of the market It's great entertainment But in terms of who's spending the money A bigger piece of that pie is not being spent on any kind of console game That's true And new models have developed to take advantage of hardcore I mean, in the old model, you got to sell them the cartridge and then that was it Whereas in new models like free to play You can continue to milk those hardcore guys So at least it's not a total write-off But I think the hardcore guys really overestimate how important they are in the grand scheme of things When it comes to companies and balance sheets and profitability You know, it's really interesting to be at this time with technology And where it sits specifically in the consumer marketplace And even we're there with computers and traditional PCs And I've caught flack for my opinion on PCs as well Saying, you know, they're really kind of being marginalized You know, the idea of a personal computer and a PC in general Is just going to an extreme part of the market Much like you could build your own car, but are you going to do it? Most people won't And I've taken flack for that same thing even from him Okay, if you don't believe me, go to Google Trends and search for the word computer And see how it's trending downward People are not searching Consumers, 99% of the marketplace are not searching for the word computer Because their definition and need for a computer has changed That eliminates the PC as a viable tool to be used and sold in the marketplace Which is why Microsoft is getting its clock clean And I'm sorry, as much as I think it would help now that Steve Ballmer has announced his retirement from Microsoft I don't think Microsoft is going to change its ways If only because the CEO or even an interim CEO is going to be appointed by the board And be signed off by Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer, and the board So Microsoft is not going to bring in someone radically different And unfortunately, this is a hard truth But you have to accept that the world doesn't need Windows as much as Windows needs the world And Microsoft's been operating from a completely different perspective Which is exactly why we have this monstrosity, this Frankenstein's monster that's known as Windows 8 Or even worse, Windows RT I agree with a lot of people Well, hold on, I would make the argument that we don't really have Windows RT Because no one owns a device that has it on it Okay, you said it, not me I agree with a lot of that, but not quite all of it With the new consoles coming out, PC gaming is getting bigger Now PCs as a consumer device, I think, might kind of float away But they might become more of a dedicated gaming machine Exactly like Chris said And we don't need Windows for that It's like building your own car, except building your own car if it was easy So it should still have more penetration than custom-built handmade cars But we might be looking at the end of the HP desktop and Best Buy being relevant We have no issue with it all And I think that Microsoft's, they're hedging their bets And I think they're taking the wrong... Their heart's in the right place But unfortunately they're going to price themselves out of the market The Xbox One, they've positioned it in such a way that it's an entertainment console, which is great The problem is, I think the PS4 could very easily take the Xbox 360's place in the family room If only based on price And just completely eat its lunch I really, honestly, because look at it Unless I'm mistaken, unless they've changed their tune like Microsoft has done in recent weeks With just about everything in relation to the Xbox One It won't be backwards compatible with older Xbox games You know, certainly games available on disc But the problem with that is That gives the consumer who was an Xbox 360 owner more ability to shift platforms Yes it does Why would they give themselves that open? And Microsoft, honestly, they're potentially shooting themselves in the foot by pricing it $100 more Even if it's $100 greater By pricing it so high in respect to their core audience of who's going to buy it And that's going to be the 13 year old kid who's begging mommy and daddy to buy them a game console And that 13 year old kid, if you were like me Actually, okay, you were probably looking at different consoles than I was But I was asking for a Super Nintendo or a Genesis I got whichever ones my parents bought And if they're saying I want a PS4 or an Xbox One The parents are going to make the decision Exactly And they're going to base their decision on price Nothing else It ain't going to be about enhancing the family room It ain't going to be enhancing the TV or the media experience Microsoft has the right idea They have the wrong approach And you know what? They really had an opportunity with Xbox And it seems like they're kind of taking baby steps in the direction of unifying the Xbox experience and the Windows experience But it should have been that way from day one Xbox One, well, okay, Xbox First Gen was a PC Why were they not able to do something? Okay, and I'm not saying this would have been easy But why was it not possible for them to treat it more like a PC And not even be sitting around worrying about backwards compatibility at this point Because they could just say, oh, well, you know, don't worry about your back library of Xbox 360 games Because they're all going to run on your PC We're going to open up the license now so you don't need a console Or whatever else they could have done to bring those two devices together And actually converge them to the point where what they're trying to do now is they're trying to make the Xbox One the media PC Because Microsoft and Intel and you name it has been trying to do this since Google's trying to do it, Apple's trying to do it Everyone's trying to make a media PC essentially Yeah, but people don't need it and not at that price Exactly, not at that price That's the problem It's really sad because I think the Xbox One is a better media center console than a PS4 It's not so much a gaming machine as an everything to everybody And I would have expected Microsoft to learn its lesson to not do that again I mean Windows 8, they talk about no compromises I think the whole thing is a compromise And for whatever it's worth by the way, I'm in chat with you guys right now on my Surface PC It's the only way to run the utility I'm running right now in classic desktop mode But it's something where Microsoft's trying But unfortunately they're not addressing the need at a price where the consumer is going to buy into it So you know what, I don't want to keep Chris for too long here guys and I promised we'd do a Twitter Blitz So we're going to... that's completely not the right thing So let's go over to the actual Twitter feed here So Chris, I don't know if you're familiar with it, it's pretty self-explanatory Twitter Blitz is I ask people to ask questions for you And you basically answer them as fast as possible and move on to the next one Great, I'm sure a lot of the people who want me out of this chat would be very happy with me being quick Alright, favorite piece of technology you've ever owned, go! Ugh, ugh, the Tenorion I'm sorry? The Tenorion, it was a musical instrument, a MIDI controller that Yamaha made It's actually an app available for iOS too What brands of products do you use most every day and why? Or maybe even just pick a favorite product you use a lot right now God, I go back and forth between my Nexus 4 and iPhone 5 today Alright, fair enough, and totally agree with that approach On Google Trends the term computer has gone down while PC gaming has gone up And this, I'm going to just interject here, this to me was a huge missed opportunity for Microsoft Where they abandoned the PC as a gaming platform to focus on Xbox Versus allowing them to be convergent, so go ahead Chris, hit it Yeah, I think it's great, I think the idea of a PC type of piece of hardware, perfect for gaming But it doesn't need to be on Windows, it could be Linux, it could be OS X, it could be anything And that shows with Steam moving towards Ubuntu Okay, here's just a comment, sort of a comment on the dynamic we've got here Which is great news, because I actually already pinged Chris about this And we're going to be down in Seattle for PAX Prime Chris isn't attending the show, but what's cool about us being in the same city at the same time For more than like three hours this time, which we were a little while ago But we didn't have time to meet up I am going to shoehorn myself into a Perillo vlog at some point somehow So we are going to hang out while I'm down there, now we can't back out Oh boy, oh by the way someone in chat said type 3 for boobies I've been pressing 3 but nothing's happening Tell me what you're excited about Boobies I was told by the chat room there would be boobies if I pressed 3 And I'm so disappointed Sorry, to be serious for a minute, no I am married and my wife is hotter than any other woman on the planet You know it's amazing what makeup can do Because there was a porn actress that was at a hockey game not that long ago And the camera was panning past and caught like the breasts right And you could tell the cameraman was like And her face, oh man, when she's just like out and about and not made up and you know on the set Wow, you could sort of grate cheese with it You know in terms of what I'm excited about I can't wait for the next Star Wars movies I can't wait to, you know just experience Just live in the now and enjoy life every single day There's very little that I could say that what I'm looking forward to more than anything else I don't know, I just enjoy a lot This question is, is 5 inch or 4.7 inch 1080p smartphone form factor a limit? Now I'm not sure exactly what this viewer means But what I'll do is I'll interpret that the way that I want to Is for you, how do you feel about phablet? And are we moving in sort of a stupid direction where it comes to smartphones Other than Apple, where it comes to these Android smartphone makers Which again comes back to that bigger must be better because we don't understand the experience thing Do they need to be any bigger? No, I think they're nice but they just, they don't Some people love them, some people don't I think they're interesting I think they're interesting That, that my friend is a term that means I don't want to say what I'm actually thinking right now Yeah, it's interesting I'll leave it, it's interesting Alright We've never been into it very much Yeah, not really Do you consider the Moto X a better Android phone than the Nexus 4 based on what you've seen so far? I wouldn't go that far, I think in terms of consumer adoption It has a possibility although I guess Motorola had to pull back on a lot of customization options Because they were having quality control issues with the engraving the other day I think it's a step in the right direction making it more consumer friendly But I gotta tell you, my Nexus 4 is still my go-to Android device Alright, I think let's see if we've got a couple more here that I've seen a lot of duplicates Asking me about my size preference is a very personal question At least we didn't ask you about your size outright I appreciate that even though I do have a 31 inch Darth Vader in my office Alright, well you know what Chris, I don't want to keep you forever And we've already given the teaser that I've invited myself to your show at some point in the near future So guys, if you enjoyed Chris, let him know by making sure you subscribe to youtube.com Make sure you let him know by following him on Twitter Make sure that you let him know by letting him know and make sure you let us know how much you enjoyed Chris So that hopefully we can grovel hands and knees to maybe bring him back at some point Because this was a total blast man, thank you very much Here's the thing, I've probably lost subscribers now I'm not to say that you, trust me, you have far more power than I ever could But I wouldn't be surprised if I offended anybody And if I did not offend you as a listener, if you hate me Let me just say, I just want to talk to your haters of me right now if I can I just want to say one thing, you haters, I'm on this show and you're not That's right That's really all I wanted to say Yeah, we were actually, you know what is funny, is I PM'd you on youtube years ago When I was tiny and you were like a huge deal to me to be perfectly honest And I never got a reply from you And so I half expected when I messaged you this time that I wasn't even going to get a reply Because you're still a big deal to me man, you were a huge pioneer And you were one of the guys that I was following You and TigerDirectTV were the ones where I was looking at you from more of an edutainment perspective And I was looking at them from what a retailer can do to build a youtube channel perspective When I started NCIX Tech Tips four years ago So for those that are going to hate on you on this show, they're not allowed to do that you guys, it's not permitted It's okay, but I just wanted to let you know, I ignore every youtube message That's the worst way to get a hold of me I didn't know better at the time I did not ignore you on purpose, I just want to throw that out there Youtube is the worst, because it's impossible to manage I don't really reply to them either, I understand now But at the time I didn't get it because I was still replying to every message because I got like one every week Right, as opposed to every minute Alright thanks man, we'll talk to you soon and we'll see you when we're down in Seattle, this has been a total blast Absolutely, happy to do it Alright take care See you later Alright, let's just Well there you guys have it That was Chris Perillo or Locker Gnome The artist formerly known as Locker Gnome Let's go with that And I really hope that you guys enjoyed having him on as a guest Based on how many people are tuned into the stream right now I think you guys enjoyed us having him as a guest So I will make sure, this is my personal commitment to you now We are going to try to bring back Chris At least I guarantee you personal commitment, we will try Shut up man, you're killing me here Let's get back down to business So I was trying to load this page before and it wasn't working There we go, posted by John Lam on the forum Steve Ballmer about to retire, he wrote a letter that talked about sort of all the great things that have happened at Microsoft How they went from, I think he said $7.5 million company to a $77 billion company Somewhere around, some ridiculous metric Thousand dex growth in the time that he's been with the company I did the math, $7.5 million to $78 billion Which is just unbelievable He says senior management is still committed to devices and services as a strategy So for better or for worse, they're still going down that path And you know what, let's just move on to the next one This is an interesting talk also related to, I'll let you cover this one Here we go Check it out Okay, so this is our article posted by Snow Comet on the Linus Tech Tips forum The original article is from VR Zone And AMD says PUS4 performance advantage over Xbox One may be greater than many expect due to Huma Which is their homogenous, unified micro architecture Basically it allows the GPU and the CPU to grab references that are in RAM at the exact same time So before, they could both grab it off the same chip But it would have to be two separate instances of the same information Now the graphics card and CPU can both grab it Which is a huge benefit Part of the problem though is, if it's not a console exclusive title They're going to be developing it not with that feature in mind So we're not going to see a huge benefit from this Unless we do, because of APUs on the desktop Unless we do because of that and we will maybe later on Okay, okay, okay, well later on They're not expecting launch titles to be able to get that much advantage from this But it's more of a long term, look at this awesome thing That if utilized properly could give a lot more performance So it's a hardware feature now But I mean I expect a next generation or even two generations from now APU from AMD To potentially take advantage of this Which would mean, we could be looking at a situation where the game gets released for console And then gets, okay it gets released for PS4 and Xbox One let's say So it is able to run with Huma or Huma or whatever you want to call it Or is able to run without It gets ported to PC where if you have an APU all of a sudden you can take advantage of that Code path that already exists So that's what we could be looking at Everything coming out, all the information coming out for consoles right now It's just every single time it's like, oh wait, this is information for consoles But this is so good for PC So good for PC Probably even better than it is for consoles Like this is such a big deal So yeah We are, Color Us pretty excited about that particular development right there So big thanks to everyone who posts news on the Linus Tech Tips forum We appreciate you guys and we're going to actually burn through a few of these news topics here Because the camera is running on battery today And I actually have no idea how much battery life we have left So yeah, Wacom has a new tablet Like actual tablet, not like a drawing tablet Yes It can be both If you plug it into a PC or a Mac it becomes a drawing tablet If you run it solo it's either depending on which one you buy An Android tablet or a Windows based tablet And they're saying that for professional use you can plug it into a computer But then while you're on the road or while you're doing whatever You can still get design work done using apps inside of Android or Windows Or use Facebook Or whatever you want It's an Android tablet or Windows tablet They're not cheap No They have a demo video that you can check out in the thread It was posted by Pixie Payne on the Linus Tech Tips forum So the Android version is $1,600 for a 32 gig model And the Windows version is $2,500 for a 512 gig model However, when we want to talk about convergent devices So the original, oh, source was just Wacom's website So when we talk about convergent devices How flexible is this thing? Because it's not much bigger than a regular tablet But it's got a 2,048 different Oh, yeah, sorry, I'll sign out of there So it's got 2,048 different pressure settings And it is not much thicker than a regular tablet Which is just unbelievable It's awesome because, like, and another thing is I saw a whole bunch of people go, oh my god, the price is so high And I would normally jump on that too, but it's a Wacom tablet Yeah, it's still a Wacom tablet The price is going to be crazy high It's a Wacom tablet It has that quality in it and it can be used in that way People are going to be spending around that much money Well, maybe not around that much money But a lot of money on a Wacom tablet anyway So if they could just spend a little bit more And get this increased functionality, that's awesome I mean, so $2,500 Let's say you bought the biggest iPad available So 128-gig iPad And you bought yourself a Wacom tablet I mean, you're already spending a whack-ton of money anyway Maybe go for a Windows tablet that also has a Wacom tablet built into it I don't know I like that one because then you can get full desktop applications to use with it Right? That's so cool It's really expensive, but it's so cool And the storage space on that is insane To me, the Android device doesn't make a whole lot of sense And I had this conversation with Diesel And he basically said the same thing It's like he paid the extra $900 to have a Windows tablet Even not from a creative person I'm not a artistically creative person at all You know that, neither of us are If I was in that position, I would probably fork it out for the Windows one Because you just get so much more flexibility And the storage space on it is so much bigger Isn't it like, I think it's like 500 gigs versus 32 or something 512 versus 32 That's insane That's a really big deal to me And we're back! We think! So we have a theory that we're testing right now To see if we are going to indeed stay back But we think that, you know, Baby Got Back or something like that Baby... It's a song about babies You're not a parent, you wouldn't understand What? There is probably a remix of that, isn't there? Oh, probably Some actual baby one That is so classic Anyway, so without further ado folks Let's jump into our next topic here I know this is sort of random that we're jumping back into things here I know that's pretty unusual And I have no idea how many people are even watching But, you know, it's worth a shot Giving things another go We are live again I'm going to tweet that out right now So, AMD has just announced massive price drops On their new 9590 processor So this was the CPU with the 500 watt TDP Which, did I say 500? Because I meant 220 watt TDP, sorry But it was the CPU that now costs... Oh, well, see? This is what happens when my flow gets interrupted They dropped it by $500 It has a 220 watt TDP Making it pretty much about as hot running as anything could possibly be It consumes a ton of power And the performance, while looking okay Was like... just ridiculous for $900 I mean, it's a... It's a lot more feasible now, but if you bought one already, I feel bad for you And my kind of theory about this is what they're trying to do is make it so that people can spend their excess money on water cooling So they don't blow up the chip Yeah, maybe I mean, I don't know exactly what the logic behind actually asking that much for the product in the first place was And I don't know what the logic behind slashing it by that much is Unless they were literally selling none of them Like, zero So maybe there weren't even... Because honestly, okay, working at NCIX If there was like... If there was like an issue Like, okay, we've got like 500 of these and we're selling like 10 a week And it's at this price We might look at it and go, okay, well, how many have we sold? Have we sold like two? Can we just like reach out to those two guys and like deal with them? And then, you know, not worry about all the people who are going to be upset when we drop the price by $100 or something Like, in that case, it's only on products where there's like a ton of margin Like it was like a weird closeout deal or something like that Where you're just experimenting with the pricing, trying to find what the market will bear Maybe what AMD did was they tried to find out if the market will bear this Discovered that they've sold none of them And then they were like, okay, well, we're not going to be upsetting anyone if we drop the price now That was another thing I was thinking is, yes, it's a huge price drop And yes, my first reaction was, holy crap, if I bought one of those, I'd be pissed Then my second reaction was, did anyone buy any of those? Is there going to be anyone to be pissed? I have no idea, I mean, I know NCIX opened one to build a demo system Other than that, have they sold any? So like retailers and system integrators Yeah, it's like it, and then like crazy benchmarkers that are getting them for free Yeah, I don't know I had a great question the other day on Twitter Someone was asking, if they release the 9590 Does that mean FX8350s, which are basically the same chip but binned not quite as well Does that mean that some of the best overclocking FX8350s are essentially not going to exist anymore? And the answer is yes Because if they're skimming The only way to get what you know is for sure going to be the best overclocking chips Is to buy the highest binned part typically Now there are other factors such as what Intel or AMD or Nvidia or whoever else are selecting for If they're selecting for power consumption versus if they're selecting for heat output or whatever those factors are That can affect it too, but in general going for the highest end one gives you the best chance of overclocking This has always been the case But even then, we might be talking about differences of a couple hundred megahertz Or we might be talking about differences where they run at the same speed But this one, the lower end one outputs a lot more heat or something along those lines So someone says on Twitch chat Linus, I love how I searched for FX9000 series chip and you're like the first two results Sweet Great work And I don't think we ever even made a video about it Which is sort of the most ridiculous thing there Alright so let's, you know what Because we had some issues with the stream before I'm going to do my square space thing right now So if you guys are actually Oh I hope I have it Yeah there it is So if you haven't seen it already Then that's great If you have seen it already Then that's great too So we've actually redone I'm just going to head over to linusmediagroup.com Or linusmediagroup.squarespace.com We have redone the Linus Media Group website with Squarespace So we have partnered up with them as an official sponsor of the WAN show now So you can head over to squarespace.com And if you use code LINUS8 you can get 10% off your first purchase Basically what Squarespace is Is it is an all in one solution for designing your website Publishing your website They'll take care of all the things like If you buy a full year you get a free domain with your purchase So they'll take care of making sure that your domain is pointed in the right place They have e-commerce built in It's great for things like portfolios Probably the only reason that we can't use it for everything Is because they don't have integrated Like it's not a forum So linustechtips.com won't be switching over to Squarespace But linusmediagroup.com is So I want to give you guys a chance to check this out And here we go So it's linusmediagroup.squarespace.com And a lot of this right now is just placeholders So over here on the right next to the picture You can see there's just a little like blurb of text But we can make it so that as people cycle through these There's like some useful information about the different things that Linus Media Group does It's touch capable without any sort of difficulties So you can see I can move that around with my finger Or I can use a mouse, doesn't really matter Or you can actually press the buttons It also scales down to different sizes So if you want to access it on your phone or tablet or whatever else They have over 20 themes that are all highly scalable And their plans are also scalable as well So if you end up with a lot more traffic on your site than you were initially expecting Then it can scale up and give you more bandwidth as needed So over here is the end of our portfolio Shows all the partners we've worked with in the past Which of course now includes Squarespace So there they are right there Alright so you can also check out some information about our team We have four people at Linus Media Group So you can learn about those guys if you happen to be interested in that You can get in touch with us Although for the most part that info at linusmediagroup.com Email is strictly like business related stuff Anything else will not get replied to or even looked at Because I'm not even the one who monitors it Different ways to watch You probably already know about the WAN show So there you have it guys Speaking of the WAN show Squarespace is now a proud sponsor of the WAN show And um, Diesel actually spent probably about six hours on this website Compared to the old Linus Media Group website Which was a uh, shoot what were we using? Someone already found a typo Yeah I'm sure there is It's in progress you guys Diesel did the whole thing in like six hours Um, but what were we using before? WordPress WordPress with a custom theme It was way more work to set up It's um, very customizable Which is cool about WordPress You're not locked into a particular theme But they also, it's not as turnkey So uh, didn't look as good We spent a lot more time on it Kind of wasted the time Because we never really sent anyone to the website or finished it Yeah I mean that's the problem with these projects Is when you don't finish them then they are not finished We were trying to make an artsy good looking site So not me And then it's WordPress So not Diesel Yeah So it was not a really good situation Don't get me wrong Like custom coding If you're going to do all of your HTML and all of your CSS And just custom build your entire website You can make something better than you can make on Squarespace But it takes so much time And it takes so much resources If you want to do it faster and honestly better than what most people are going to be able to do They have an advanced mode now so you can dink around with the HTML and CSS I asked Diesel about that It's beta or something Can you edit everything? 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No, no I want you to cover this one So that was submitted by TopwarGamer on the Linus Tech Tips forum And Slick go for it If you want to reference back to a previous livestream that we've had Sorry if you want to reference back to a previous livestream that we've had When... wow why can't I remember his name They have too many different names for all the different stuff But Logan I was thinking Tech Syndicate and then I was thinking Raise the World Logan When Logan was on we talked about free to play games And the payment mode that most people are calling out Elder Scrolls should have been Is a free to play game Now one thing Logan brought up that I believe both of us agreed with Is free to play games putting no barrier to entry brings in a not strong community Every 9 year old Every single person that you don't want playing that game will be playing that game And the communities in pay to play games have been higher Now is in my opinion a subscription model the best Not necessarily they could have done something like Guild Wars They could have done something like something else So pay for the game and then no monthly fee I mean that to me isn't a bad one either But then... ok ok But where they're coming from is if they did any other model So say they did the Guild Wars model Guild Wars releases expansions fairly often That's where they get their recurring income from Now you don't have to buy the expansions But if you don't buy the expansions you're not able to do everything The Elder Scrolls team is saying Well with this IP you've always been able to do everything It's a free roam, vary, do whatever you want IP Now... An IP like intellectual property? Yes Not like internet protocol? Yeah sorry Now where I'm coming from with that is there's always been expansions and stuff But I guess from a single player's perspective It's not like you're locked off compared to other players Because it's single player So you're free to do everything that is currently in the game for you So in a multiplayer situation they're saying You can't not do something that someone else can do So you'll always be able to do everything if it's subscription based That was interesting and I was sold I was ok with it Now if you looked at my notes that I added on there They're also adding a cash shop So that's where things start to get a little bit dicey to me Because if you're going to charge everyone to play at all Then how can you have free to play stuff implemented as well So I mean what is this I think a quote from VG247.com is It's probably safe to speculate that these will include a large range of largely cosmetic items then If they're not going to have a pay to win model So horse armor anyone? Yeah I mean would it get them a lot of publicity if the first viable item was horse armor? That would be huge One thing though is that the only thing they have confirmed is in the cash shop is a name change Which is no problem but there's obviously going to be more stuff We just don't know what it is