 Hey, and welcome to the Vergecast for the week of January 20th, 2014. I'm Josh Tupolsky. I'm Nilay Patel. I'm David Pierce. Was that like a, was that a magician? Was that a, that was like a boxing match? I don't know. I started, it was like Don Pardo meets magician meets a spiritual advisor. It works for you. No. I believe in whatever you're selling right now. I want 12. What I'm selling is the Vergecast where we discuss the week and all sorts of stuff. I mean, I used to have an intro where I said like consumer electronics or something, but like, God, we haven't talked about consumer electronics for a long time. What is going on? There's a little, little guy hanging down here. Got it. There was like a weird little point. You want to move my mic down, John? There's a voice in my ear telling me where would you like it? That is never as stealthy as you want it. John, is that the right place for my mic? Nipple mic. Just want to be sure. Is this, is you want it over here? Is that good for you? Is that right? The support control. The nipple mic is a pretty good idea. I don't go into your control room and tell you where to put your mic. Where is your mic? Yeah, yeah. I don't hear you. So sounds like your mic. It's on the ground and it's left the controller. I'm having a technical problem here with this. This is a piece of crap. How's that? It's my technical problem. Does that work for you, John? You broke John. It looks great. Just now you broke John. It looks great. It's exactly where it was before. Sorry, I don't know. Where do you want it? Covering my mouth. Well, it's a microphone. It's supposed to be near the mouth area. I don't know if you have these work. I know you're supposed to be an expert or whatever, but I like that I'm having a conversation with a person that don't listen. It's always reasoning. By the way, none of us can hear John either. Are you serious? Of course we can. I don't know. Anyhow. Is there even a John? I have no idea how to transition from this into beats music, but we're going to try. Anyhow, though, we're going to talk about some things that happened this week in the news and what a week it was. This week was really strange because we didn't... So this is... We usually... Years ago, we only ever worked from home and now we have this office. And the first two days of this week, everyone just worked from home because there was a snowstorm. It was wonderful. And it was strange. And I walked around asking everybody how their weekend was because... No, that makes sense. Monday is when the weekend... No, I came on Wednesday and asked everybody how their weekend was. Oh, you were on Wednesday. You asked. This week. So I'm confused just as a baseline. I'm also feeling confused. It's horrible. This is the kind of weather that makes me want to leave New York and never look back. It is... Honestly, we don't really have much good weather here. It's like disgusting in the summer. It's really disgusting in the winter. There's like one month in the spring and there's one month in the fall. And then it's just... And then it's awful. It's like a hurricane or a blizzard or a heat wave. Right. Like it's a good thing New York is New York. It's good that they have hurricanes. Or like a homeless man hits you. Yeah, right. Those are your options. It's not a weather issue, but it's still... That's why... These are all the reasons... Hold on. Hold on. Sorry. Excuse me. I think... They just come for David. Hello? Yes. Where are you? I'm at the sushi place. I'm at the sushi place. I'm at the sushi place. I'll send someone down. I'll send someone down right now. Thank you. Josh, what score would you give the Seamless app? Hold on a second. Sorry. I've been waiting for a food delivery and I had to take that call. Are you going to eat the sushi on air? No, I'm not going to. Okay. But here's what I will do. Yeah. Can someone go down and get that food for me? Sam, you got it? Really? You can Instagram it or something. Yeah. That's right. I just don't bring it here. Like just put it out there or whatever, like somewhere safe. Don't let Rondo see it because he'll eat it. You can really tell that there was no news this week. Anyhow, so that's what happens when I get a delivery. And the Seamless app, I actually feel is pretty good. Though it does some weird things like the way it functions. Like when you want to, it makes you save your options on something. Like if you, okay, if you like, let's say I'm ordering a sandwich and I'm like, I want cheddar cheese on the sandwich and they give you the option for cheddar cheese. When you select that, then you have to say save and go back. It should just be like you said it and that's how it is. Now you can back out to the rest and do whatever. I don't need to confirm my desire for cheddar cheese. It seems a little weird. So I give it a seven, 7.5. Can I ask you a question totally unrelated to everything except that I had a very long conversation with somebody about this last night. Do you feel bad making people deliver you food in bad weather? I've been debating this ever since it started snowing and I don't at all. And I've been told that I should. I think a human being, you look at a human out in the elements and you're like, oh, that sucks. But, but you know, I don't feel bad enough that I wouldn't order the food. Yeah, I don't like it. I just tip well. Yeah. That's what I do too. That's the move. I think you got on your bike and it's snowing. Here's five. I don't think Manhattan is that bad. I'll be honest with you. Compared to Brooklyn. Yeah. Like, like the sidewalks are clear and the streets are clear here. Brooklyn, there are, there are literally piles of bodies under, under the snow. There's people who just were snowed over and nobody's going to discover them until. There's not actually that much snow. It's just this full of bodies and this much snow. That's all bodies. And then a few edges. Right. But yeah, no, I don't, I don't feel bad enough that I don't, that I wouldn't order. Okay, good. I feel bad for a person. Anybody has to be in the elements. I'm like, yeah, that buzz for you, but that's why I'm please have you my food and get away. Here's some money. Okay. So you want to talk about news? Is that what you want? I mean, yes or no. It's up to you. Whatever you want. So, well, we don't, we should not start with beats by Dr. There's a lot, there's sort of a lot of weird streaming media sets on it, but we should actually, also we have, yeah, we should just do that. That's what I was going to say. You know, before we get into the topic, well, this is actually what's been happening. Well, yeah, this is the biggest thing happening this week by far is Sundance. I don't know what you're talking about. This, this thing. I just keep talking around it. This thing that this has been happening is a big deal. Yeah. Sundance is happening this week, which is a film festival that takes place in beautiful Park City, Utah, where it's probably much nicer than it is here. It is in Park City. Yeah. I've been to Robert Redford's house. I was at Sundance one time. Yeah. I was on the panel with Edward James Olmos. Nice. And several other people about like science fiction and film or something. And it was awesome. Edward James Olmos. That's pretty awesome. Awesome. Yeah. And also like was saying stuff that was really crazy. Like we're all doomed and like pretty soon we're going to be getting like art. We're going to have artificial body parts. And like, I was like, yeah, I don't think that's going to happen. Like he's like, he's like, you know, I'll probably have like a robotic body. And I'm like, not probably not before you die. But he also was like the way things are going. Like it's basically a post apocalyptic nightmare world. Yeah. He's like, this is like the road. He always struck me as really optimistic. He's cool. No, he's awesome. He was awesome. He's a great guy. All right. Well, Brian and Casey are in there. Speaking of Sundance. They've been there. They've been watching movies. I'm just like complaining about lines. My one name drop. My Sundance name drop. I just want to keep building it. Theoretically, we have Brian. So we have Brian here. There he is from Sundance. Hey, Brian. How are you? How's it going? I like the backdrop. Yeah, look at that. I'm glad you're being filmed in such high quality. Yeah. Yeah, I was just hanging out here with Edward James Olmos and we were talking about the future. It was cool. Does he have a robot body? Cool troll. He does. He actually was just his head on. He's like, show Josh. He was like Robocop. Brian, you're at Sundance. You've been covering the festivities for several days. There's some belief amongst certain people on the staff that you're really just on vacation. But tell me and you're just hobnobbing and canoodling. You're hobnobbing and canoodling with celebrities. What do you see? What's happening at Sundance? Tell us what's going on. Tell us what you've experienced. There's been a couple of interesting things. The first thing that really kind of surprised me was that we saw Zach Braff's Kickstarter movie. Obviously, it was here this year. That was a big story last year. I was not expecting it to be good, I guess. I'm not necessarily a big Zach Braff fan. And it's really good. Do Braff have a name? He's in the movie. Yeah, he's in the movie. And it's still good. He directed it. And it's still good. He stars in it? Yeah. And it's still good. And it's like this father-son movie. The cathedral was crying. I talked to other people in other screenings. They were crying. So it wasn't just weird gags in our screening. It's legitimately good. And people like it. And it's really bizarre. Wow. And this was the movie that he started funding on Kickstarter. Wait, can I ask you a question? And this is going to really color the rest of this conversation. Did you like Garden State or hate it with every fiber of your beating? I was just very blah about Garden State. But I thought it had a good soundtrack. I thought Garden State was absolutely terrible. One of the worst movies I've ever seen in my entire life. And- It's because you have no soul. So that's why- No, it's because my soul is- I have a soul that wants to do things. It's because I have a soul that's authentic and not phony. Well, Josh, did you see it after it got talked up or beforehand? I don't think I was aware of the hype factor. It was many years, I think. Was there a hype factor? I could have been- It must have been after it got talked up. But it still, I wasn't like, oh, this is going to be great. I was like, I'm just going to see this because I don't know what it's like. I came in, I think I went into it being relatively open-minded about it. Big Natalie Portman fan. Zach Braff, not a big fan, but I don't have a hatred for him or anything. After Garden State, I lost some respect for the guy. I can be alone in a desert island with only a happy garden state and that shit would still not entertain me. Love Peter Sarsgaard. You'd be like, oh, the desert's cool. Wait, is it Sarsgaard? He's a Sarsgaard. Peter. Does he guard against Sars? Yes. Every day. No, because there's the Sars guards, which are Stellan and- Peter is a Sars guard. He's a Sars guard. Brian, tell us what's happening now at Sundance. Brian, are there any Sars or Sars guards at Sundance? No one has Sars here, at least that I have seen, but they're pretty much in outbreak. Okay, so the Zach Braff film was surprisingly good. What else have you experienced? That's surprisingly good. Raid 2 was the other night, which is amazing. It kicks all kinds of ass. Did you like the original Raid? I appreciate it for being a big kick-ass action movie, but I felt it was a little bit thin on character and story. I got the trick that it was pulling off, but it necessarily wasn't the best movie for me. Hey, spoilers. No spoilers. This has all of that, but more, and it has this big epic gangster drama thing going on. It just straight kicks ass, I'll be honest. The entire theater was freaking out. It's a really, really good time. There's a lot of breaking bones and blood and super crazy violence and insanity. Was this the same theater that was crying after a Zach Braff movie? Different theater. It was the same exact room, and then they started playing the other movie. Blood! And now the Raid 2, where people are just on an emotional rollercoaster. That would have worked for you. You would have seen Zach Braff, and then, I want blood, and then they give it to you. And I killed it for two hours, and the theater was cheering. Actually, Brian, can you tell us, I've never been to Sundance. I know some of us have hobnobbed and canoodled the celebrities there. Canoodle up, canoodle. Hollywood's Topolski here is a big Sundance fan. That's me. Thank you. What's it like? What happens there? When you get off the plane, what do you do? Well, you have to plan your in Salt Lake City, and you have to drive about half an hour, 40 minutes to Park City. And Park City, it's a bit of a cluster, logistically. There's the Main Street, which is this small, hometown feel. It's a couple blocks, four or five blocks, super packed. There's lots of people there. There's traffic situations. There's only one theater that's actually on Main Street, and the rest is people walking around to restaurants. There are parties, that kind of stuff. But there are basically lines everywhere. The thing about Sundance is that it is a very line-centric experience. And whether you go to one of these other theaters, and they're scattered around Park City. There's a shuttle system that's free. It's great. You can go around. But there's lines for the shuttles. You get to a screening. You have to stand in line if you have tickets, if you don't have tickets. If you go to a press and industry screening, you have to stand in line there, which is kind of like part of the problem. But one of the cool things about Sundance is that historically, if you didn't have a ticket, they do have some tickets there on site. So you can basically do what they call the wait list. You can just show up early, do the Star Wars thing, and line up as early as you want and be crazy. And hopefully, you'll get a chance to see a movie. The problem is that creates logistical problems because people are standing in lines everywhere. So they have this thing this year called the e-wait list, which is a great idea. Very controversial. Yeah, in concept, which is basically it's a website. You can bookmark it. It's like assuming you have a mobile app on your phone. And two hours before screening, you basically say, yes, I want this. And then you can, in theory, get your place in line then. So you don't have to wait in line like five hours in advance. The problem was that it didn't really work. We were basically sitting there trying to go and get tickets for screenings. And it went launched, and I said, cool, press the button. And I was 105th in line, which was kind of weird. It was about a quarter of a second head past. So it was basically trying to go. And when Ticketmaster first put tickets on sale online, it was like that, except you weren't buying tickets. You were trying to get a place in line to get the chance to get a ticket. So it was kind of a mess. They had server problems. Just goes to show you, you got to wait in the meet space. You can't be waiting online virtually. Yeah, you got to go there. That to me is like the whole idea of the internet is to circumvent waiting for things. Don't put me in a situation where I'm going to digitally wait. I don't want that. You just look at your phone. Of course, there are very few things I would wait in line for in life. Certainly a movie is probably not one of them. I would just, at this point, just say, well, I'll see it when either no one's going to see it or I'll wait until it's available. I waited in a line when you were a boy. No, it's a dance. I waited in one line for a film there and it wasn't that bad. It moved pretty quickly. The problem was it was freezing because you're in the mountains. That's the other thing, right? Because there's a, you know, you're at a, the altitude is very high. So you're drunk all the time. No, but people, well, people do get drunk easier. They have, Utah has very strict ways of serving alcohol. They have little measurement guys. Like they'll give you a specific measurement of alcohol. Really very hard to get drunk. Very hard to get drunk. Did you say or a body shot? No robotic or a body shot. You can have a one shot or you can cover your entire body with alcohol. But no, but they, but they give you warnings. Did you get any warnings about the altitude you can get? You can pass out. You can it's, you know, they sell little air things, little oxygen masks you can buy at the convenience stores. Yeah. I haven't seen that. There is just a lot of, anytime you have to like walk up parks. I mean, main street is like a slope. There's a lot of out of breath people all the time. I could just get everyone's extraordinarily out of shape or maybe it's a combo pack. Now this is the way Sundance works is there's the weekend that leading up to you're now in the midst of this actual festival. The weekend leading up to it is there's a bunch of parties, right? Well, there's been parties going on the entire time. Like it started like last Thursday. It ends, I think the final award ceremony is this weekend. Have you been to parties? I went to a, there was a party for this Nick Cave documentary that we went to or that I went to where Nick Cave played a couple songs on a piano, which was cool. Casey went to a Bill and Sebastian performance. YouTube has been here. They've been having parties. Kickstarters had parties. Airbnb has the Airbnb house, H-A-U-S, which is their dope little hangout. Yeah. It's the worst. Is it cool? Did you go to the house? The house? I did not go to the house. I did not. Casey went. He did not have glowing tails of splendor and What else? So what other? Yeah, this is an Airbnb. They probably actually got an Airbnb. What other, what other films have you seen or are you going to see? Are you excited about? I saw Boyhood, which is Richard Linklater's new movie, which is this movie he's been filming like year by year for 12 years about a kid literally growing up, which was just as a feat was kind of crazy because there've been documentaries where they've caught up with people, you know, like five, 10 years after we meet them or you see sequels where they'll see the same actors years after the fact, but doing like one year at a time for 12 years is kind of insane. It was interesting. The actors that he had for it were this unknown kid, Ethan Hawke and Patricia Arquette and his own daughter. And his daughter apparently was not into the movie and like three years in, like came to him and was like, so dad can I character die? Which you know, she's like an app, you know, she's like a nine year old girl. She does not want to film a movie with her dad. So it's not a documentary. It's a narrative fiction, fictional film. Yeah. That's crazy. So wait, did you just spoiler the movie for us? Is that character, one of the main characters dies? She does not die. I will unspoiler or maybe that was the spoiler. No, now you've spoiled it twice. That in a movie about children, none of the characters die. Well, we don't know that. We just know that his daughter apparently now doesn't. So is that one a good movie? I was curious, like reading the stuff that you were writing where it's like, it's a crazy thing to do, but was it actually a good movie? It is surprisingly, it seems super stunty and it could just be a colossal failure where you're like, you know, good on you for trying that, but it doesn't work as a movie. But it is like Linklater has done all this stuff with like the before series where it's just people talking like little slice of life stuff and he's gotten really good at it. He's awfully obviously done like a lot more, you know, broader comedy stuff and even sci-fi stuff. But the actors are just really, really good. And there's, it's this, there's this weird perspective you get knowing that they shot a movie that way. Like there's this reference to Star Wars sequels never happening earlier on. It's like this great laugh because you know, you know, if you saw that in a fictional movie that was made today, you're like, Oh, that's funny. Cause they know they're Cummings. They made a joke and ha ha, but it's like, you know that they actually thought they were never happening. Oh, so that's, that sounds really interesting. That sounds crazy. And is that going to be, is that going to be in wide release? I'm going to assume not anytime soon. I know what's coming out this year. Okay. VOD. So I don't know if they're going to get a wider deal. That's all I care about. How soon can I torrent it? How soon? Yeah, it's probably torrent. So we should talk about Star Wars sequels cause that's the other big movie news of like the day pretty much. Is that Seven is the script is complete, which seems awfully fast. JJ Abrams, did he announce it that the script is complete or has said that he said it's complete. It's finished. Um, I, uh, will not be shot in IMAX, which is like, cool. Yeah. So I guess that's great. Uh, I don't know what to think about it. I don't know how to feel about this. I thought the last three were pretty bad. I thought the third one was probably the best of the, of the prequels, uh, which is the faintest praise of all time. Yeah, no. I mean, they weren't very good. Like of all the times you punched me in the face, the last one was the least. I don't think they did anything to, to improve the world that was created with the first three Star Wars films. I mean, I just feel like they're, they were just there cause they could be there. Brian, what is your take on this? Um, you know, actually you say JJ Abrams, people get really excited. There's a lot of hope there. The one thing I think that is very promising is that. Why is there hope? Can I, can I ask? I don't think he's handled, I don't think he's handled Star Trek particularly well. I think I really liked the first Star Trek. I felt like both of those movies are deeply confused about what they want to be. And, and as a Star Trek, as a next gen fan and some of the other stuff, I mean, I felt like they are, they favor wildly favor bombast over a great, a great story. And Star Trek has actually traditionally been about great stories and to like, especially the latest one I thought was just completely confused in what kind of movie it wanted to be. And it, and really like it's all plot devices to create big set pieces. Like, I mean, to me, everything is about. Isn't that movies? Yeah, but it doesn't have to be. I mean, there are actually good movies with great stories that are like create wonderment in the viewer. Yeah, but I, but you can't have a, there's no way to make a Star Trek movie without it being a big budget movie. Right. Well that's. And then there's no way to make a big budget movie without like basically having dialogue that sets up set pieces. As far as I can tell. Right. I think you could do it in a way that's really good though. Oh, like I'll just say Gravity. Gravity is an hour and a half long science fiction movie that is like completely thrilling and gripping from beginning to end. I said it's also basically just one big set piece. Well, but it is, but that's what that movie is, but it's really well done. And it's really, it's the story. The story is context. I mean, I think there's, but, but, but if you look at that by very different than a Star Trek film, but it really consistent, a singular sort of thought about what that movie was going to be. And it's super effective. A Star Trek feels like six different action movies crammed together with stereotype, like stereotypical action movie characters and stereotypical action movie situations. Like yes, the city is going to be blown up. And like there's going to be a thrilling sequence where people like jump or fly through space, trying to dodge something like just as it's going to happen. Brian, sorry. You're just, just hanging out there. Well, no, I think it's, I think there's a couple of things on what you just said about it feeling like the Star Trek movies feeling like different movies. I think part of that was the first one especially felt like a Star Wars movie. So I think, you know, it felt like it had that energy and bombast. I think he gets, you know, how to do that. I also, I may agree. I had lots of problems with the Star Trek into darkness, but he also didn't write that movie that was, you know, other writers. That's the transformers guys. That's Linda Loff. And he basically rewrote, you know, Star Wars. They had Michael Arndt who written Toy Story 3 that had the original draft that, you know, he Lucas and all those guys were working on. And Michael Arndt left the project and Lawrence Kasdan who wrote Empire. And then Abrams basically rewrote the movies and they say the script is finished. It's like their brand new version that, you know, supposedly has a lot of new stuff and they just like ditch what came before. And I feel like a guy like JJ Abrams, he's pulled off great storytelling before, you know, look back his early TV stuff. He knows how to do character. He knows how to do that stuff well. And Seven is going to be, it's going to take place after the first three, not the prequels, but the original, which are four, five and six. It seems a little like it's pretending those three movies just didn't happen. It is Seven. In the sense that it is a true sequel to the third film, Return of the Jedi. So that I will say this that what it has going for it is I am very interested to see what happens after those movies end. I was not as interested to see what happened before they started. Like that didn't interest me as much as what might occur after those films ended. Like I would like to see it start. So it's got that going for him. I just, I disagree with you about the first Star Trek film. I think it has the same kind of confusion. Actually the only Star Wars movie I want to see is 3.5 when Darth Vader just fucked shit up for like 10 years. Just owning it. How awesome would that be? Well that actually, actually like Darth Vader, no what they really didn't do was, that's true. Like you don't see any of the development. That is also an interesting era where Darth Vader is running things where he's already in the, he's got the outfit, you know, and like he's just doing bad stuff everywhere because we really just saw a taste of it in the third one. And then it's not even a taste. He's like, no, and then it's over. You get a taste of his evilness, but then when he kills a bunch of kids for no reason, right? Then they Vader him up and then boom, you're out. And like what happened to the injury? This was like 20 years in there, right? Where he's just killing it. How old is Luke Skywalker in the first film supposed to be? Like 16, 17, 18? Yeah, like 17. Somewhere like that. So like there's like a good 18 years there of just him going off. He's going off on people. Just like he's camping, shopping, he's going to do different. He's going to throw lightsabers at people. Presumably I guess, I don't know. Yeah, like a big cannon that fires lightsabers. I mean, they should get the guy who did the raid to do a Star Wars movie. 3.5. Oh my God. Now that would be, don't, don't, let's not, you know, for people who haven't seen the raid, I don't want to. That guy's at Sundance. Go suggest that to him. That's good. That's a great idea. I just made him a million dollars. So anyhow, so JJ Abrams is going to now going to do Star Wars. Yeah. What else is going on? Yeah, what else? Anything else? You know, right now the city is starting to slow down a little bit. The first four or five days were really, really crazy. Now it's starting to mellow out. There's been a lot of like acquisition deals, like movies getting picked up, that kind of thing. So right now it's just kind of like, you know, people are batting clean up the, and seeing a bunch of stuff. There's this really, really weird movie. I think right now is when people are saying like, what's the weirdest thing at the festival and trying to see it. There's a movie called called Wetlands that I'm not going to talk about on the podcast. I'll start people to go to the Sundance site to research that if they want to, but it's the most bizarre, perverse, insane sounding movie I've ever heard of. Have you seen, have you seen nymphomaniac? Wow. No, that was the secret screening. That was just part one. This movie sounds much more insane and worse than really disagree with Brian. Don't ever go to this website ever, ever in your life. That's exactly the fact that's all the Sundance website is insane. That's the lead picture. That seems okay. I mean, I could read you this. I'm not going to. Right now we're like crashing. We're going to crash the Sundance site. There's just no, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. Don't not read it. This is so upsetting, Brian. I wish you hadn't done this to me. I am very interested in Wetlands now that I've seen that image. Also you did not see nymphomaniac, but there was a secret screening of it. Part one. Right. Part one. Yeah. I mean, I think it's like released internationally as one big five hour epic, but in the US there's going up into one and two. So why not just show the full five hour version? I don't know. I mean, it's Sundance. There's your opportunity right there. I mean, right. There's your movie buffs. Nymphomaniac is the new Lars von Trier movie, which apparently I read a review of it and somebody was like, Sheila Boeuf is definitely actually having sex in this movie. Like if this is a CGI, if this is CGI or a prosthetic, like it's better than any effect I've seen in any movie. So that, you know, that to me, that's like, I'm, I'm where do I sign up? Where do I buy my ticket? I'll wait in line for that. All right. I think we, I think unfortunately we have to move on Brian, but thank you so much for joining us. You guys have been doing great work and looking forward to a full, a full rundown from you about, about wetlands. I just accidentally went back to the wetlands. Close the tab, bro. Thanks a lot, Brian. Close the browser. Take care guys. All right. So, so that's good. Little Sundance report. I am, I am excited about that. The Richard Linklater film. It sounds really crazy. Sundance is funny. It sounds a lot more like CES than I think they want to let on where there's like this big glitzy thing going on. And then the actual show is everybody in the back making deals for movies. And that's like, that's why everybody goes. The funny thing, the funny thing is that it's such a bummer that like all these festivals are like basically the same, you know, that you end up in it. It was, you're in a trade. It's just some kind of weird trade show, but you know, Hey, that's how business gets done. You got to get everybody in the same place at the same time. All right. What's next on our list of exciting topics. It's funny cause we ran the fan boys piece and then I'm going to say the news from today. Do it. Wall Street Journal man back, back at it to new iPhones next year. You're going to be big, basically bigger. Best iPhones ever. This is like, this is the new like Gene Munster, but there's going to be a TV. No, they don't do a big iPhone. The only whatever it's what's Wall Street Journal for one will be over 4.5 inches and one over five inches. I know that. Now that seems crazy to me. I do a 4.5 inch sounds realistic over five inches sounds you're in, you're getting into, I don't know if they made like a five inch and it's, it's big. I think they have to make some compete with the note. I mean like the only, the only reason people have those phones is because the screens are big. I don't think that like, I mean, I just say, I don't know any single tech journalist or people person who really cares about phones who has an S4 running stock touch with. They buy it and they, they like the big screen and they root it. Those are the people. I know people would do that. Everybody I see in the subway at the phone has like really big phones cause they're like big screens. I mean, I think the galaxy S3 extremely attracted to the big screens. I see a shocking number of galaxy. I think the galaxy, I see notes everywhere. I think the S3, the S4 and the note have been like, I think the S3, the S4 and the note are have been enormously successful and I don't, I don't think that's true. I think breaking news. Qualcomm acquires Palm, IPAC and Bitphone patent portfolio from HP. What? So Palm is officially just gone forever. Please bring back the IPAC. Ruby is on Qualcomm's word. Yeah. Maybe Qualcomm is making tiny phones. Yeah. Well, what are you gonna, anyway, what were you saying? You're saying something about Samsung. Speaking of, it's maybe the least important breaking news. No, I was saying, yeah, that was pretty, but you know, okay. Palm's officially blown to pieces. I was just saying that I actually think that most S4s, S3s and notes are not rooted. I think that they are bought by regular people who go into 18 to stores and are like, I want a big screen. Yes. That's what I'm saying. I don't think they are attracted to the software or any of Samsung's nonsense. Having been doing the dance between iPhone and the Z1 lately, like it is crazy how small the iPhone screen is. Like it is time now. We get it. It fits fine in everybody's hand, but that's sort of, that's like, you're not really fighting the real battle. Yeah. It's not like, can I reach the corner with this thumb? It's like, I'm looking at a visually complex webpage on your phone or a visually complex app and it's hard to look at and use, you know? So I think they're going to do bigger phones. I think that's kind of an under. No, but I think, but I'm saying, I think the over four is to basically hit the middle of the market and the over five is. Well, they have a four. There are lots and lots, over 4.5 is to hit the middle of the market and over five is to hit the note. Because the note is incredibly popular. Will they keep the regular size iPhone? I think they will. They'll do like the five C. They'll just do the thing they're doing. No, does this article say they're discontinuing the five C? My parents, if I try to get my dad a Galaxy Note size phone. They'll do like the five is, the five S is the new phone. But this says they're discontinuing. Maybe they'll put another case around it. That's what I'm saying. Right. They'll do the five C. Right. This does say they're, which I think you're about to say, that they're going to stop producing iPhones with plastic cases, meaning the five C. Which is really odd. Yeah. Considering they just started producing an iPhone with a plastic case. But all the indications are that it's not selling particularly well. If this report is true, I mean, I don't know. We don't know. We don't know. But everybody's TV for earnings. When are Apple earnings? Soon. Yeah. Like real soon. This is good timing for Apple earnings. Well, the reason all these rumors are happening is because it's earnings season. So Netflix had earnings. Microsoft just had earnings. Their earnings are really good. That's also sort of breaking news. Yeah. So Microsoft record revenue and they sold 3.9 million Xbox Ones. That's something, by the way, you can think about with Microsoft, which is so weird, is they actually have been doing, if you look at their stock, it doesn't fluctuate wildly, but it's been steady and there's been incremental growth, steady incremental growth. Their big core business of selling Office to people and infrastructure to people is doing fine. It doesn't seem like Google has had too huge of an impact, though clearly they're fighting the threat of an impact from Google. They sold 3.9 million Xbox Ones, 3.5 million Xbox 360s. Still not talking numbers for- Bizarre. They won't tell you how many service, but they made 893 million in revenue, which is not profit, which is kind of like- But last year, the service was a huge write down, was it not? Those two as well. Yeah. No, it was last earnings, I think, for Microsoft. Am I crazy? Where it was a terrible- It was a couple ago, I think. It was a while ago. Yeah. They took a few- I don't know that there, I have seen a few services in the wild, but- All I see them on is NBC shows. Yeah. Like they bought- I don't know why that is. I watch Parks and Rec, and it's like everyone has a Surface and a Windows phone. Oh, yes, there's a lot of- Every, it's crazy. So here's where there's enormous Microsoft product placement. Parks and Rec and the Mindy Project. Yes. The Mindy Project is out of control. They're using all the sounds, and they're using the graphic on screen- It's crazy. Like on screen text bubbles and stuff. It's crazy. There's so much, like people using Surfaces, everybody has a Windows phone. Well, my favorite is when- This is the most unreal, like this show is great, but you've just robbed it of all realistic- Well, there are all these moments in Parks and Rec where somebody will be sitting at their computer, and they'll turn to talk to somebody over here, and their monitor will be facing this way, which is just like blatantly- Yeah. They wouldn't have been able to see it sitting at their desk. Yeah. It was all like, here's Windows. My favorite thing on Parks and Rec is that before Instagram was available for Windows phone, somebody was like, oh, just Instagram that. And it's like, no, you didn't. You're using a Windows phone, and that's- And that's like the nerdiest thing to notice, by the way. I'm like, no, I don't think so. Yeah. I'm not adjusted by glasses and pocket protector, but anyhow. So- Anyway, so- The hell were we talking about? This is why- Oh, big iPhones. Big iPhones. So Microsoft, Nokia didn't do so well, but they're not going to do well. Nokia is, doesn't matter. They're being absorbed. Yeah, they're being absorbed into the revenue machine. Into the revenue generator that is Microsoft. But anyway, so it's earnings season, so rumors of big iPhones are happening. Apple, there was another, I don't know, when you look at the sourcing on this one, new TV coming definitely in the first half of 2014. Well into testing an extra- And now a new Apple TV. The little- Not a television. No, a new Apple TV. That's the biggest problem with the TV is they need to have a name that isn't TV at the end. So like, oh, Apple introduced the Apple TV, and it's like, with the TV- This is 9to5Mac. They're saying they'll have more channels, a revamped UI, which is like the 50th time they revamped this UI. More iOS, new types of content supported, perhaps games. New UI- All of this is astonishingly obvious. This isn't a rumor, this is like, what would they do? New UI makes sense, at least in the realm of visual update, because it doesn't match iOS anymore. It looks like some weird bastardized, whatever, iOS 6. Yeah, well, I mean, but do you want... They're so different. I don't want iOS 7 on my TV. I don't want... Why not? It just wouldn't look good. It doesn't make any sense. One of the best things about jailbreaking an iPhone is that you can skin it. You can get- How have you skinned your iPhone? You gave up, by the way. I have. Well, I gave up, and I'm going... I'm flip-flopping back and forth. I'm gonna go back, because I've been doing a lot of... The camera is still... It's still like, you know... The phone... I mean, I don't wanna get too far into this, deep into this rabbit hole, but it's extremely annoying to use. If you were going from Android, like, here's what I'll say. All of the people who think that the iPhone is just like the best for getting things done and is really fast, and you're excited about the 64-bit CPU, and it's like you're living in a dream world where you think that your phone is faster at doing things. It's actually kind of unbelievably slow for doing things. The freeze and defrost of apps is crazy. I have an animation reduction thing that is like a jailbreak that makes it really fast. It flips through animations. Oh, that's nice. I love that. It still feels like I'm getting stuff done slower than on an Android phone. It's actually kind of crazy, because I remember a few years ago talking about the iPhone and just dissing the hell out of Android, just going like, it's so ugly, it's so messy. You have like 100 different ways to do something. It just feels like a total piece of junk. I remember I was talking about this at length, and I was like astonished, like, the iPhone is just a completely cohesive system. It really works. It's like they really turned a corner, and now I'm actually having gone back and forth. Obviously, I use the iPhone when they first came out, the new iPhones. I understood the limitations of the software and what it was going to be like. I wrote something about iOS 7 before it came out, and a lot of that stuff is true to this day. But I had enough time with it that I know the OS and know the improvements they've made. But going back to it as the full-time device, it's kind of astonishing how different things are in 2014 than they were two years ago. What's happened in Android and what's happened in iOS, it's like they didn't keep pace. iOS did not keep pace with the kind of growth that Android has experienced. They were at a certain point, one was clearly better than the other, in my opinion, and then it just has gotten completely flip-flopped. The one place I think the iPhone is just objectively better, and it's really funny watching your Instagram because I can always tell what phone you're using at what time. The camera is just better. Can you? I'd love for you to go through my Instagram right now and tell me which photo you think is an iPhone photo. This is the worst. Which photo? I bet I'm right 98% of the time. Let's do it. Let's get it up. Let's do this. Here we go. They're all photos of the dog. Also, watching... We got it on screen. Here we go. This photo. This is the iPhone. Okay. Yeah, 100%. That's the Z1. That's true. Go ahead. What's this? This is just an awful picture. I don't even know. That's a Lumia 1020. Is it really? Yeah. Keep going. Oh, man. All right. If there's a lot of phones in here... No, come on. Keep going. What's this? Oh, this is taken off of TV. Yeah, this doesn't count. That's a Z1, though. Let's keep going. This is exciting. This is a Z1. That's a Z1 with a VSCO filter on it. Nice. Here we go. This is exciting. I cannot figure out VSCO. This is, by the way, thrilling audio. This one's tough. I'll be honest. I like how, by the way, we're finally... Our audience is loving this. This one... We're finally doing the thing we're answering in the comments. No, this is every picture I post, they're like, what phone is this? I'm solving the problem right now. Go ahead. That's true. This, I'm guessing, is also... No, this is an iPhone. Z1. Keep going. Is it? Yeah. The Z1's a really good... The one thing I hate about the Z1's camera... All right, here we go. I'll have this one. I think the Z1's usually really good, but it tends to overwrite some shots. No, I had to zoom this one in because that building's really far away. I was on the Williamsburg Bridge. Yeah, it's hard with a big digital zoom, it's impossible to... That was the Z1. Yeah. Okay, here we go. This is filtered. Yeah, I mean, when you filter it, it's just cheap. Well, that's what you do with photos these days. I mean, if you have a Z1, you do. No, you do with the iPhone too. I don't know what that means. What are you saying on the bar photo? These both look like the Z1 to me. Yeah. Which one? The bar and the bag. The bar is Z1. The bag might be iPhone. Bag is iPhone. Yeah. Okay, now how about the next one after the bag? This is the worst game in history. This is like an HTC One. That's the iPhone. Really? That's the iPhone. That's a bad picture. I know. Wow. Yeah. I mean, it's a door. Keep going. Well, we know what we're doing. I took that off, by the way. I was like, this is taken with the iPhone. How amazing would it be if this was taken with the iPhone? I should stage that image somehow. Okay, now we're past the point of no return. So I take this back. No, we're not. What is this? These are good pictures. That's the iPhone. That's the Z1. That's the Z1. Yes. So you have no pictures taken with the iPhone. You took a picture in that bag. Let's see. There may be some others. Let's see. Well, now we're at CS. No, but there is stuff before CS. Well, that's obviously the Z1. So stuff at CS is the Z1. Yeah. Let me see. Okay, no. So I take it back. So this camera is good. It's like you have better pictures on here than I thought you would. That's the thing that is annoying. Or you're lying. No, I'm not. I mean, that is also just out there. That's a great point. I would never lie about what phone I took a picture with. That's my, listen, guys, my promise to you, to you guys in here and to those people out there, I'll never lie to you about what phone I used to take a picture. I'll always give you. I will lie to you about everything else. I will lie to you about everything else. Everything. My name is not even Josh, but I promise you I'll never lie to you about that. Anyhow. It means a lot. By the way, for yesterday, people were wondering it was the iPhone on the left and the Z1 on the right. And it's annoying because both pictures are actually really excellent. I did a comparison of Penny, of course. But the detail, the color detail on the iPhone, it's noisier, but the detail is so much, you know, better. But then the other pictures, like if you saw it, you'd be like, that's a good picture. Like it's a, it looks like a lot of detail. It's annoying. Anyhow, let's, let's keep moving. Airplane iMessage. That's it. That's it. That's right. You say airplane iMessage? That's it. Being able to text from my computer is by far the best thing about owning an iPhone. Yeah. And yesterday I let my phone die and I didn't plug it in because I was like, oh, what's going to happen? Oh, Airplay. Airplay and iMessage. I thought you were saying there's like a feature, a new feature called Airplay and iMessage, which was like you could text just using iMessage on planes. You can do that because it's a personal iPhone. No, I know. I get it. Right. But I, okay, so here's the thing. Like text messages are increasingly in like short supply for me. I'm not a, like Hangouts has replaced. I mean everybody's on Gchat all the time. Yeah. So a lot of times I'm having those conversations. I also have a lot of like group me groups now where I'm like group me-ing with people. Really? I use group me, like we use group me at CES. Yeah, only at CES. It's just destroying my battery. No, I, I, I, we actually, we use, like we have a family group me and like there's all kinds of like. It doesn't just rip your battery to shreds? Doesn't seem to. I mean it's Android, you know, it's just better at everything. So I don't know. No, I mean, you know, it's actually. You should look at your battery meter and see what you're doing. It's not, it's not. I'll show you. First off, oh, that's the other thing. The battery life on the iPhone was really bad. Yeah. I forgot how bad it is. It's crazy bad. This battery is ridiculously good. That's another reason to keep it. Let me tell you what's going on with mine. I mean that's another. That's skin though. That's another huge upside. It's so, it's really so minor, like once you get used to it. So yeah, Sony did a decent, Sony did a good job. This really is the screen. I mean it's, it's group me's not even touching it. And I have 74% left. It's been five and a half hours off of a charger and this will be at like tonight when I go to bed at three in the morning, it'll be at like 30% or 40% or something. Yeah, you got to use that, that Mophie. That Mophie is so gross. I hate it. It's the worst. No, Laura got one for her one. I bought a cheaper off brand one. Yeah. I'm pretty sure like they hacked it. Why would you do that? Cause it's not as ugly as the Mophie. Oh, okay. Yeah. I bought an off brand one cause I thought it was cooler. What was it called? I was looking at the Max boost defender. It's not good. Come on guys. But it's soft touch. It's like nicer. I'm a hundred percent certain that they have. Can I see the Max boost defender on screen? They had to hack the firmware to make it past the iOS seven verification. I feel like like for the people who hung in there for the Sundance conversation, like come on, I want to hear tech conversation. Here you go. Like you're getting, oh my God. Look at this piece. Oh yeah. That is not, that is an off brand. It's a hundred percent. Look at the description. Dude, chill out. Just tell us what it works with. Yeah. Oh, it's got a kickstand. That's not mine. That's the Max boost atomic S. Dude, Max boost defender. Can you not hear us in there? Which is a hundred percent Mophie rip off of the old generation. So we, there's more news to discuss. Let's talk about it. So Amazon also rumored to be making a teat, rumored to make a set top box for a while. Rumored to start a cable service. Companies being rumored to start their own cable service is now a thing. Sony obviously did it at CS and told it a year ago. Amazon's on the mix. They flatly denied it. It's just a matter of, and it wasn't even like, oh, we don't comment on rumors and speculation. They were like, nope, not doing that. Here's what they need to do. I mean, clearly like there are deals to be cut. They need to basically license Aereo as like their provider for, for broadcast. Yeah. The second Aereo gets bought, it's like, yeah, it is bought. Well, but not from IAC, I mean, by one of the big guys. Well, but I mean, or they just, they just start licensing the technology and suddenly Sony's got a bank of, of antennas in every city or what, or they're just using Aereo as antennas. Yeah. And that's the business. I mean, that's one of these guys. And that was how the original cable TV company started. Right. So, right. I mean, I think, I think they're going to hit that wall at some point. And I got to tell you, I think I was in a car today and the driver was like, have you heard about this thing with these tiny antennas? And I was like, oh yeah, Aereo. And like we started a big conversation about it. And I used Aereo to watch football at CS. Yeah. It's out there. It works. There's an Aereo for Roku. Yeah. Yeah. I got it installed. I just remembered. It's really great. I got a Roku 3, which I really love. And I really love and like also actually found an app where I can stream video pretty effectively off of my phone to the Roku and it works. It's called juice. But it works. It worked. All right. Airplay and iMessage. That's the platform lock-in. And that's one of the things for the iPhone that I love is I've got this air video server. Do you know air video server? Yeah. Basically you like can download something on your computer. Yeah. Just sitting there. And then just send it through a phone or a tablet to the Apple TV. Here's juice. Yeah. I mean, so juice is really janky looking and it looks definitely like it's going to be a virus all over everything. As far as I know, it's not. Yeah. It hasn't been phished or anything recently hacked, but it definitely, man, crackle. Does anybody watch anything on crackle? Crackle is everywhere. But juice does seem to work. I put a movie on my phone. It's on crackle. And just streamed it to my Roku and it totally worked. It actually wasn't a movie. It was an episode of Sherlock. Yeah. But yeah. Well, first episode I did not care for it. The last two were amazing. The third one, incredible. Did you see it? I just started the second season. Oh my God. I got to catch up. Yeah. You need to get with the program. Okay. So then moving on from Amazon to their big, if they're going to do a TV service, they said, we're not going to license channels. We're going to invest in prime content, which leads right into Netflix, which had a great quarter. What if Netflix included a service that was like live broadcast in their, inside of Netflix? They would win. That'd be pretty crazy. Here's the thing though. Netflix doesn't have that much stuff. I mean, they've got a lot of stuff, but there are definitely things that I want that Netflix does not have. I mean, Netflix is also smart enough to know that the day they do that is the day all of their deals evaporate. Like no one else would work with Netflix ever again. It just wouldn't be worth it to them. But it's like, yeah, maybe. I feel like they, at some point, they can pick this fight with HBO, but picking it with Comcast is like- But Comcast is- But they're in a permanent fight with Comcast, right? I mean like- Right. Yeah. I mean, Netflix used the pan with Comcast. At the end of the day, this net neutrality thing happened last week and Netflix put out their earnings this week and they're like, look, if any of the ISPs screw with us because they don't have to follow net neutrality rules, we will provoke our customers into boycotts in action. And straight out, they're like, this is how we're going to handle this. And I don't think it's as simple as like, oh, people will just pull their deals. They need Netflix too. They need Netflix because there are a ton of people watching their stuff on Netflix. It's a third of the internet bandwidth. And Netflix pays them money for it. And they get good money for it. And I think that it is- But I think if they went to Amazon and were like, hey, we'll give you the same deals we've been giving Netflix forever. No. Amazon doesn't have the viewership. Right. But they get it. That's the thing. That's why it's like there are competitors everywhere. I think you'd be surprised with how people would actually react to that. Maybe. I hope so. People would be like, well, I'll watch something else on Netflix, I guess. I don't think people would be like, oh, I'm getting rid of Netflix. I mean, that's Netflix. That's why they have this content recommendation system and all this stuff is because they want to give you the next closest thing to what you really want. It's really annoying. I went looking for Justified the other night and I searched for Justified and it showed it to me. It's on Amazon, but it's not on Netflix. It's not. It's gone. It's just Amazon now. Yeah. It was just on Netflix a day ago. I think it was like January 1st. Literally, I was like, oh. Yeah, I was looking for it last year. Was it? Yeah, because Dan Rubinstein from SB Nation was telling me I should watch it. Yeah, apparently it's great. But Amazon is your thing. If you're in Amazon, if you ever buy anything from Amazon, this is a no brainer. Prime is awesome for deliveries. And then just this is then a thing that you have. So they have no scale because right now they don't have a box. And so the big rumor is- Oh, but it's on every box. Yeah, but you have to- I mean, it's on every console. It's on every TV. It's on every box. I don't think people there... So is Netflix. Yeah, but Netflix is more popular. Right. So why? I mean like- Because it's Netflix. Because of rules. No, I think Amazon has to get scale and compete with Netflix head to head because they're all in the same places, but they're not doing quite as well. They have to be able to sell you Prime video for $8 a month, not $75 a month. I agree. I agree. And they need a box. And they also need a differentiator. I keep hearing that this box... Right. And so this differentiator, the rumor was they're going to do a TV thing. No one can do a TV thing as far as I can tell. If they could do a TV thing with broadcast. I don't think they can. You can also pay for Prime by the month if you're so inclined. Who would do that? You have to pay for all of Prime. Yeah, but it's cheaper than Netflix. How much is all of Prime per month? Well, $79 divided by 12. No, it's a weird different... It's $6.58. It's cheaper than Amazon. Why did they advertise that? I don't know. They should. No, actually, I think I had a conversation with somebody at Amazon and I didn't know that and I said the same thing. This all is sounding very familiar to me. If they were like, this will be $6.50 a month, people will just get Prime. Right. You'd just be like, oh, okay. That sounds like a lot less than $79. But the problem is the differentiator. The differentiator for me is you get great free delivery. But that may not be the thing for TV watchers that they need to hear. What is the different... I think that you're right that a TV service, if they could do it, would be the thing. It's like a complete holistic solution. There's no way. I mean, as far as I can tell, to get... Anybody can launch this TV service right now. You just have to pay the exact same money as Comcast. Well, Amazon can do that. Amazon, of all companies, is gonna do that. I think Apple might do that. I think Microsoft, if they're desperate enough, might do that. But then it's like, how does that sit with... So you're saying literally Apple would say, we're gonna do a national cable plan. Over the air, or over the internet. Okay. I just think that it's gonna be tough for them to get that deal because Comcast and Time Warner are gonna be like... Right. I think if I was ESPN and I go to make that deal, Comcast flips out at me. No, because Comcast can't flip out at you too much because A, they're region locked. B, they all sign these deals. Like there's 100 cable companies in that sense. Comcast and Time Warner are... Right. I mean, Direct TV has the same deal as Comcast and they're national. But then the issue becomes like, hey, this is the perfect place where these new net neutrality, the new dashing of net neutrality is gonna be perfect. Because Comcast will go like, oh, okay, you wanna have a cable service? No problem. But unfortunately, it uses a lot of bandwidth, so we're gonna have to tax you for it. So Comcast is actually the wrong company because when they bought NBC, they agreed to all these rules. That's true. So Comcast is actually... They voluntarily agreed to a suite of... So like dis-... Essentially, non-discrimination. Yeah. So like Time Warner Cable or Fios, they're not under any of these agreements. Verizon will definitely do whatever it can to destroy net neutrality. Your freedom to watch what you want, where you wanna watch it. Yeah, but so I mean, this is like... I just don't think they can do it. And so what's interesting about that is that same day, the CEO of HBO was like, I don't mind if you share passwords for HBO Go, it just makes people love HBO more. So use your parents' passwords. Right. And when you're older and you finally make some money, kid, you too can pay for HBO. It's true. That's what I did. I used my parents for years and then I was like, I'm gonna get cable. Yeah. I'm like, now I have my own HBO and it feels great. You're a grown up. You're a grown ass man. Here's the thing about cable TV, it's in its own crazy way, it's not a bad deal. No. Right? You can get a bunch of channels. Well, just the interface, the UI and all this. The problem is that you get a bunch of channels and the possibility of watching them. But the truth is you only watch like 15. I would love to see, I'm sure there's a statistic on it, what the average cable owner, how many channels an average cable owner watches on a regular basis. I bet it's like 20. What really interests me is whenever somebody, and it's all obviously speculative, but the Atlantic does this once a quarter, go through and do the math on what it would cost to watch the 10 most popular channels. We do this. Yeah, we do it too. But then they're like, if you just wanna watch ESPN, they do sports. So it's ESPN and Yes and Comcast and Fox Sports and whatever, and they found out it would be way more expensive just for the sports channels than to just get cable. So if you're in San Francisco, you want local channels, HBO and 25 down, five up internet, you're paying 40 bucks a month, which is not terrible. That sounds great. Like that's not terrible. That's a cable package? Yeah. No, I don't have a problem. That's Comcast. Time Warner just for HBO. But then, just for HBO. And if you move to New York and you get Time Warner cable, the lovely delightful Time Warner cable, you're paying $75 a month. So I pay- That's competition. That's the free market, everybody. My internet, which is DOCSIS, which is 50 down and five up when it functions. Is $100. And then the cable service with HBO, I have HBO and Showtime is an additional, when all said and done, it's an additional $150. So I paid $250 every month for cable TV with two special channels and internet. The internet's $100 a month. It's crazy. I mean, I don't know if this is just a New York- You gotta get some Fios, dude. I'd love to get Fios, but Verizon can't bring it to my neighborhood. There was a Fios truck a block away from my apartment the other day and I ran over and tried to hug the man who was installing Fios. No, you don't understand. We got somebody dropped a Fios flyer in our mail slot and I was like, what is happening? Did it happen? Did they do this? And I hurriedly went online. I'm like, oh my God. And it's like, nope, sorry. But you can get this shitty, ridiculous- There's just somebody that's controlling your house. You can get Verizon's regular DSL service, which is like one down and 0.5 off or something. And it's like $60. And they're like, and you could get Dish. Or not Dish, yeah, Dish. Yeah, and you can have Dish TV. It's like, oh, great service offering for me. You live in like four blocks away and you're, no, it's not four blocks, but then you have awesome Fios. You've all digital everything. You have Fios? Yeah. I'm like, I'm just going to go to a movie channel and 50-50 internet and a phone line that I never use for like 175 a month. That's continually my favorite thing about my capabilities. We have a phone line also. Is that a pay for a landline? Yeah, no, it's great. It's not a landline. Thanks for the phone line. I'm going to plug my fax machine into it and see what happens now. But we do occasionally use the phone. Like a home phone is sort of nice sometimes. I don't even have one. We have one. That's great. Okay, so that's happening. Also, Charter wants to buy a time. The TV space is heating up. People see opportunity here. Well, TV is like unbelievably awesome right now. I mean, obviously everybody watches a lot of TV, but we started watching the fourth season of Boardwalk Empire, which we had not. And it's so good. It's insane. It's like a movie. It's like a 12-hour movie. It's like a 60-hour movie. This is our whole thing at TS, right? Netflix is going to change the TV industry. Because when every show is a 60-hour movie, you want to binge watch them all. You're just going to watch them on Netflix. It's also like from an art perspective, a totally new art form. Completely unexplored territory in the sense that it used to be like you do a two-hour movie and it's very high production value. So you spend a lot of time on the script. You get the best actors. It looks amazing. And then it was like TV was like, yeah, it's kind of half-assed because you can't really spend that kind of money. Now, it's like, look, this is a 12-hour or what did you say? 60-hour movie. And people are telling stories in a totally different way. We've been watching True Detective. Have you watched True Detective? Yes. Oh my God. It's so good. Really crazy good. Yeah. And it's like you're just watching like, okay, now I have 10 more hours of this movie to watch. Yeah. It still freaks me out that Matthew McConaughey is an amazing actor. But it took me like a half hour to get over that. No. He's always been an amazing actor. I know. He's not just an amazing actor. He's like the most amazing actor. He's incredible. Yeah. He's like the American Daniel Day-Lewis now basically. We finally have our own Daniel Day-Lewis. He's going to go make like 11 Things I Hate About You and call it a day. It's time for him to be in a movie where he gets fat though. So skinny. Yeah. I saw you do skinny. Now get real fat. He's skinny in True Detective. I want to see him as like a 300 pound obese person and like not a fat suit. That would be magic too. By the way, True Detective is just beautifully shot, amazingly written. And to your point about 60 hour movies, nothing happens in the first episode. Nothing. Yeah. Just like surrounded. Nothing except like dread, overwhelming dread and horror. No, but this is how I feel about House of Cards too. At the end of every episode of House of Cards, it's like, well, that's over. Yeah. Next. I guess I'll just swap to the next one. Right. There's no, like the episodes have no act structure. Yeah. So they're just kind of like flowing. Because they don't have to because it ends and- You're not forced into that. The most brilliant thing Netflix ever did was just automatically roll into the next one. They didn't used to do that. Yeah. Yeah. The new one doesn't. You used to just have to press the play button. It's like a countdown. It's like 15 seconds. It's real. It's like you watched an entire season of Parks and Rec on Saturday. That's great. Just totally by accident. We just- Just like sitting there on the couch doing this. I actually smoked a huge bowl. It was immobile and watching a whole season of Parks and Rec. I couldn't help myself. We just got caught up with The Good Wife. We will watch all five seasons or like all the way. That's the other show I need to get into. Dude, The Good Wife is- It's The Good Wife and Justified and Port Wagon. It's weird The Good Wife. I was going to say this. It's weird that The Good Wife is on CBS. Because CBS is historically not known for... I mean, they do some really hilariously bad procedurals in my opinion, like CSI and NCIS and all these other shows. Just shows. Letters. Two broke girls. Two letters. They're really like- The CBS story. Hawaii Five-O. They're really like two broke girls, two and a half men. Seriously, they have a lot of shows with numbers in their titles. But numbers and letters. But it's like really good for a network, for a 45 minute network procedural, like crazy good. And it's like five seasons deep now, right? It's been on a while. It's five seasons deep and it really, you should just... It's on... Do you have Amazon? You have Amazon Prime? It's on Prime. Becky loves this show. But there's something weird like... Oh, well, the latest season obviously isn't finished. I think it's on Hulu. It's on Hulu. It's on Hulu Plus. It's the whole thing. It's on Hulu, but you have to watch commercials. Oh, true. Which I find- They have a lot of commercials. A lot of commercials. Like a lot of commercials. It feels like a lot of... And they always show me the same two commercials 11 times during an episode and then I just want to murder Sharmin. Yeah, it's terrible. Yeah. And I think they're the sad desperate one. Yeah. That's how I really feel. Which is weird because they have the back way of all of the industry players. Then I think that's why they're the sad desperate. They can't do new things. Well, they have to... They're doing... Their basis is commercials and here's what I've learned. When I'm in the midst of a really gripping drama, I really don't want to fade to black to see the Sharmin commercial. Right. It's not... Hulu is also miserable at knowing what I want to see. Yes. I get a lot of commercials for elderly people insurance. Yeah, there's also... Yes. I don't need that. I can't... You can't click on Hulu that is sad relevant to you, but. But I clicked it so many times. You see my tweet there. At some point, I'm going to click that button so many times, Hulu is like, do you want to just buy a fucking gun? Because you don't like anything else. Yeah. Do you just want to buy a gun? Buy a gun. Well, there are. Buy a gun. It just comes on screen, it's like, just buy a gun. There are. Just anything. I mean... This is the only thing left. I want to see ads that I am excited about the product or whatever, but you... That's the other thing about Hulu is to your point, is in your point is that you do see the same ads. Yeah, first time second time. I was like cool interesting. I might check that out like six time 10th 14th I'm like, you know what dude? I'm not in the market for a Ford Focus I don't even know what car it's for Where the car is the baby and he key like opens his garage and the baby's sitting there What you've been seeing this commercial are you drawing you talking about? No, you guys suck But so I literally have seen this commercial probably 400 times For and be By the way that auto completed way too fast a lot of guy nationwide insurance commercial no Laura did something we were talking about something We're talking about something. He's why he's watching his baby We're watching gravity and Laura was like I want to know how this was filmed and typed in how and It was how was gravity film was the auto predict? Yeah. Yeah, if you type how w it goes to how was grabbed? Yeah, yeah, it's that it was it was nuts And the next one is how will I know? What is that that one just keeps going that's a What's so crazy about this is that that this is like the zeitgeist like really literally Everybody is going to Google and going like how is gravity filled? Like yeah That's weird to me that we know that now that that that's the thing that it knows that you're most likely to type that in If you type how w yeah, like the magic of Google how? Will I you know, it's me great. How will I die? That's probably very popular one I've googled that a lot. I would never google that cuz Google doesn't know how you're gonna die You don't know you've never googled it. I can I know they're gonna be watching the time by my hands Wow, why are these all quizzes a lot of quizzes? People love quizzes I Do you know people love quizzes you saw the New York Times most popular story 2013 was a quiz Yeah, they just put out like in in December. Yeah, or some crazy big. You know why people love Anybody take the New York Times quiz it was like where's your voice? I was in Delaware, which is immediately totally wrong. It said I was like from New Jersey or something But you got Laura got Laura's Pittsburgh. Yeah, so I was immediately placed in Wisconsin All right, what else what else do we have? Should we talk about beats music? Media, so I don't want to literally my question was how on earth could this possibly not fail? I think the answer is so here's here's what I want. I was actually I was talking to to Joanne about this too All I want is for somebody to make iTunes But with a subscription on the end of it so I can just use iTunes the way that I was using it before and then What I want something I just have it that was the promise of RDO You mean as opposed to this thing where it's like we're gonna help you discover all kinds of new music Yeah, I don't want your radio. Yeah, I want radio. I don't want all the music I don't know if my stupid I put John West them on all the time and it's like, you know What I've heard this song like a billion times. You're so so unoriginal. Yeah, and Google Play is really close I think they have the best like we'll take all the stuff you have we'll set into the clouds or be there Yes, then we've got a thing and then the apps are miserable Yeah, the apps are the interface is terrible and confusing. Yeah, they just need to just Google by RDO replace the music interface with RDO do their streaming whatever and like you're done. Yep. You win. Yep You've got it. Right? I know I Play here's the thing play is kind of awesome because you can like you're like I'm just gonna stream this thing Yeah, or download it or play it on the web Yeah, it's like it's gives you any desktop client. I mean Google They do need a copy of Picasso that still exists. Yeah The thing for me about beats is like hasn't this exact thing been done before like this is what Slacker radio was They just made it again, right? Literally bought Mog and made it again. Yeah I will say the the interface at the beginning where it like there are little bubbles and it asks you to pick which artists you Like and don't like and genres you like and don't like is neat and then I get past that and it's like well I have no idea how to do anything. Yeah, I am in bed With a banana and I want to listen to reggae music Yeah, you don't like do stuff you tell it like where you are how you're feeling what you want to listen to you play Mad Libs I gotta try it out. So I gotta try be people like I mean, it's fun. Have a free trial So I have a theory about all of this No, I think that they all pay money to the labels per stream and I think that it's in their best interest To be like look at how much different music people are straight instead of what I did with iTunes or my records or My tapes when I had those or my CDs which was listening to the same stuff over and over which is what I end up doing Right. Yeah for sure because I mean, maybe we're just old we're old people Well, so wait, are you saying like if I stream something like the first 5,000 times beats stream something It's cheaper than the next 5,000. No, I think it's I think it's in their interest It's a totally diversify their streams and like spread the money around basically, right? So they're always into discovery They're always like they want to show this right is always about new they want to demonstrate I want to demonstrate to artists and to labels that it can be an effective tool for discovering and then like purchasing or listening to New music because the whole point is like if it doesn't if you just keep listening to Beyonce Then like they are just like you know, they're just like you know Beyonce then like they already know Beyonce is popular Like that's not their problem Their problem is like they want to make some other like sub Beyonce character popular But the problem is all of these services and I have this problem with audio too is they bury things like Beyonce No, because that's when Beyonce comes out with a record Like I find out because I hit the play button on my Mac and iTunes magically opens I'm like, oh Beyonce has a new album out, right? And it's like that's I've found this out recently that's like talking to friends and stuff that most what a lot of people I know Do is go to iTunes find out what's new and cool that they should listen to and then go to Spotify or audio and yeah They're discovery. They're discovery That's because they use social they're using like social to like predict what is like popular when they really should be saying like we're curating What's popular that's the difference between iTunes and already? Oh is that pop social pushes up like the social stuff pushes up like what is pop? What is like listen to or new and listen to by like this your sphere? Whereas iTunes just like hey, here's actual new stuff like a record store, right? The the which I think is what most people want one thing that I have to say talking about this I've been thinking and just thinking about it One of the things that I've learned in our new reality of streaming Services like video on demand and music on demand. Here's what I've learned. Just love it I mean to be really be like really patient about things I wasn't patient about before the guy used to be like I gotta hear the new thing I gotta listen to the new thing right now I'm gonna spend $15 on this record or I have to see this new movie I'm gonna go to the theater and spend like the ticket price and watch it. Yeah now like yeah, you know what? I'll just wait. I'll just wait for it to come to the thing that I use and then I'll listen to it Yeah, that's me with TV a long time. I think it's a weird thing that I'm not sure They may be like an accident. They didn't want that to happen They thought people would be like well just pay for it wherever I can get it, right? But in actuality people are pretty patient. Yeah, and they'll just go like y'all just wait for or the people who aren't impatient They're gonna backstop their streaming services by just pirating the stuff right? Which I think it happens a lot. So Definitely happens for me with movies. Yeah, I just was like, all right. I have to see Captain Phillips. I can't wait any longer iTunes I haven't actually watched all things. It's good movie. No now it is now it is today like yesterday, but it wasn't Like a video like the GoPro just not popcorn Screeners my man screeners around the ward season. It's all about screen. What was it? Wasn't it? I also have I also have some screeners that I did not illegally Acquire and I mix up for it. The point is it does When the police come I bought the Sega game Wonder Boy in Monster Land. So if I have the ROM, it's no big deal Yeah, no, there's a lot of think about it. Think about that. I really through you guys I really threw you guys for what else is what else is out? What other new movies are out? I'm not looking movies only music. I'm just really Phillips. What else let's look they have an Oscars. I Don't know it's terrible crap. I think most of the officers always so much bad crap. It's still I'm just gonna play theaters Is Nebraska out No, I think now these are just like the movies that are nominated. You can just pre-order them. Yo, yeah, that's my favorite digital pre-order This is my favorite new thing that Apple does on the Apple TV, it's like oh my god her is available I'm like, oh my god, I'm gonna watch it right now. I'll buy it right now. No problem Like no pre-order her like get out of my random other interface Apple what are you doing? It's just walking Phoenix Amazing. Hey, what do you see her? Yeah. Did you like it? I loved it. Shut up. Okay, really good stuff Everyone be quiet. Shut up. I didn't like the way it ended. Is everybody dying? I was surprised Yeah, like I didn't expect the building to blow It was a lot more stabbing than I thought this is weird The computer actually attacked him with the knife. I don't see how was it holding it the worst I didn't understand Scarlett Johansson could do anything she wants and that face will and then at the end that the girl computer was a boy computer Shock it. That was twist. Yeah, I Did not say that comment and then the explosion right? This is a bit surprised Yeah, and then instead and then I thought Captain Phillips ended weirdly to him. They were like in the matrix That was a weird ending to Captain Phillips. It was all simulation, but I totally bought it cuz Tom Hanks is so great Exactly he's amazing. He woke up in like a hyperbaric in like the year How by the way, how amazing would that be if that's how Captain Phillips actually? Was like in a matrix simulation and they're like welcome to like, you know the year 4000 anyhow Training and then he actually goes out. That's the worst he wakes up at the end The lead pirate is the guy who's been operating the thing the whole time. It's the they're actually best friends It's the worst reboot of Total Recall ever made the total Total Recall Total Recall 2014 Would be pretty good if I don't see a Photoshop poster of that in All right, I think this is devolved to an appropriate level where we can end yeah, okay good. All right. Well, that's the verge cast What time is it? Oh, yeah, we're good What we're at the verge cast for this week If you want to get in touch with us, you can email us at verge cast the verge calm you can leave a comment on This on the verge cast post when it goes up You can put something into our forms, you know contribute to our forums say something about the verge cast a positive negative We'll take it all you can also find us on Twitter. The verge is at verge. I'm Josh with the Polsky. Neely is reckless David Pierce's Pierce David will never understand Did I tell you that there are a large number of people in the world that think my first name is Pierce Pierce Yes, like if it's here's come up to me and be like, oh hey Pierce. I'm like, hmm, sir, but now It's fine. Call me whatever you want. This is a weird Is it also weird pierced an actor here's David David Hyde Pierce Who I could see like you guys you have kind of have a similar thing going There are a lot of people who are positive that we're related and I'm like, that's you're not And that's it for us, I think we'll be back next week with more verge casting Something will happen more verge cast and bridge gets it torrenting the movies live next we're gonna be watching Turning next week while we while we watch Captain Phillips Together to find out if they ever get off the island And and as always I wish you and your family the very best for this upcoming weekend, which will be It's gonna be a weekend filled with physical pain and emotional pain for you and the ones you love You