 Oh, Luke is very fond of talking about how whenever I'm not here the show starts on time So I would like for you guys to note that he's not here and the show Almost started on time so clearly it's actually Him Amplifying my lateness, and that's why whenever we're both here the show is late Yes, that is the that is the obvious conclusion that we can draw here So as you guys probably noticed already, and if you didn't then Hopefully the part where I pointed out that Luke's not here would have drawn you to this conclusion Luke is not here He is over in Computex And so the first topic of the day is actually something that I should probably do after the intro right? So we've got a great show for you guys today. We have all of our Computex coverage some of the highlights from that We've got AMD unveiling many many more details about their upcoming Fiji although it looks like we're gonna have to wait a little bit for the rest of it and video launches mobile G sync which by the way I have in house already and Tons and tons of monitors. Oh, yeah, right the huge news this week valve Pulled a 180 on their customer service, and they're offering well, okay, whatever. I'll tell you guys about it later For now let's roll the intro Now come on One of these days that's gonna work, and then I will be happy so right now you guys are you know what forget it then? sponsors today Linda calm fresh books and Dollar Shave Club there you go. We are just I don't care. We're just not gonna have an intro I give up You know what I've got some people saying they thought that Luke would call in he said that last week but quite frankly it's 7 a.m. Over there right now or 730 and If you guys noticed some skepticism on my part when he was saying that he was gonna call in is because I can do time zones And I knew that he was like straight up a gonna be probably not awake at that time and B I knew he was gonna be busting his butt over the course of the week getting a bunch of great coverage of Computex for you guys and Therefore probably not in any condition where he would want to or I would even want him to be doing an hour and a half Livestream because they have absolutely kicked ass Over at Computex in fact we can go and I don't think yeah, I don't think there's anything here That's like super super top secret But I'm gonna post some of the links and you guys should definitely check this out later if you're watching the archive I will link these below the video, but the Corsair Bulldog Huge deal over at Computex Corsair not necessarily because of the Corsair Bulldog But because it's going mainstream guys like Silverstone have been trying to do the whole yeah We've got like a full-size graphics card in a really small form factor or small internal volume enclosure for some time Ncase released the M1 which was this super small full-size graphics card thing well now a mainstream case manufacturer and it's kind of funny for me to say that because I still remember when they launched the 800d and the store that I worked for was like nervous about bringing in too many because a Corsair case gee, I don't know will it work will it not work yeah It turns out they're a mainstream case maker now, and they are acknowledging the small form factor console size case very cool stuff next up we've got The other one oh yeah, MSI desktop GPUs for their AIO and laptop now MSI hasn't completely Redone the whole GS 30 shadow concept in fact what they were showing off was Same laptop, but now they have a sexier enclosure for it So instead of being stuck with that ginormous external box that just had a standard ATX power supply in it They have something that is a little bit sexier, so that's pretty cool, too Ah yes, GTX 780 Ti variants so always a big hit it's it's funny because it blows me away every single time how much you guys love The latest high-end graphics cards our GTX 780 Ti review has 400,000 views and that went up what a week ago. That's like Scrapyard wars levels of viewership in the first week. That's absolutely crazy so Luke actually highlighted a couple of couple of aftermarket designs 780 Ti's one from Asus one from gigabyte And did I say 780 I keep doing this you know what's really funny 980 Ti I know I get out of here 980 Ti. I know I actually started hearing rumors about the GTX 980 Ti Probably around the same time you guys started her hearing rumors about it and a lot of the time There's a lot of truth to the rumors, and so I reached out to my Nvidia contact. I was like yo dog Can I get a sample of the? 780 Ti and I did it not once but twice Twice in the first email my subject line was blah blah blah blah blah something 780 Ti hey blah blah blah something 780 Ti and He replied to me he's like um yeah sure I can send you a sample, but it's like kind of old and I'm just like you troll you knew what I meant you knew what I meant you troll and then when I sent a follow-up email, I don't even think I got an answer because Nvidia are like the kings of If it ain't out it ain't being talked about they are they are pretty good at keeping secrets, so yes 980 Ti non reference 980 Ti's and then one of the other big ones you guys should save these URLs for later if you haven't already checked out the Videos this is another really big one in when Launched like the most bazonkers or announced. I don't think it's actually available yet announced like the most bazonkers case ever Check this out. Oh, yeah, I do want to do a huge thanks to our sponsors over at Computex That's Lynda.com and MSI look at this thing this is the kind of stuff that like Concept cars are made of like typically you expect a case like this to just be like a one-off that some modder made Not the case at all this will be an actual case that you can actually buy Here's some footage from Brandon of the thing transforming look at that. I mean is that is that is that how ridiculous? Electrician training really I guess I could be an electrician sure why not that lighting Holy crap in when is one of those companies where like five years ago as far as I could tell they only made cheapo commodity cases and like bad power supplies and then all of a sudden they decided to like Okay, we're gonna do like tempered glass side panels on this one. We're gonna do like this crazy Transforming thing and they decided to totally shake up the case industry I don't know if they're shaking it up necessarily in terms of sales volumes because some of those products have been pretty darn expensive But they are definitely shaking it up in terms of design, which is very cool stuff So let's get into the news for this week our first and I'm gonna have to be the one so this was posted by Z Mule and I'll have to be the one who post these links in the forum for you guys unfortunately Because I don't have my lovely assistant this week but Anon tech reports that the GTX 980 Ti shows a significant difference in pixel fill rates Compared to the GTX Titan X and what's interesting about this is the fact that their real-world performance is so similar Depending on who you ask so I was so hold on first We'll go through so this and so in synthetic performance tests You'll see a similar performance between the two cards in general But the 980 Ti loses two polymorph engines and test mark due to losing two SMMs though That doesn't really hinder the 980 Ti in gaming or in that test overall the 980 Ti loses some rasterization Throughput from the SMM lost, but the 15% drop is larger than can be accounted for by the two SM's Which account for approximately 10% right now? There's 5% that cannot be accounted for at this point in testing so the 980 Ti is actually a little bit of a mystery Right now, so there's some weird differences in pixel fill rate There's some weird differences in test mark, and there's some weird There's some weird stuff that I can't really account for in the real-world performance as well because I was talking to the NCIX guys And they had 980 Ti as a clear loser to Titan X Whereas actually in the Anontek review and in my review I had it pretty damn close And I was pretty sure at the time of releasing mine that the difference could be accounted for by my 980 Ti Boosting up higher than my GTX Titan X But based on some of these synthetic tests over at Anontek we could be looking at something a little bit deeper than that And Nvidia has been doing this lately where they really don't want to talk about the architecture of the chip a lot They tried to pull that off with GTX 980 and 970 and whether unintentionally or intentionally And I'll leave it to whoever wears whichever color of tin foil hat they wear to determine You know what they thought I personally don't think Nvidia intentionally Screwed up the specs of the 970 Ti What happened was because they didn't give the press a lot of information about the architecture That wasn't discovered for months and it turned into VRAM gate with people Trading in their GTX 970s and demanding full refunds because it didn't have the maximum memory bandwidth for the last 500 megs of that 4 gig frame buffer so Hopefully we're not looking at anything like that The reality of it is it doesn't seem to be affecting 4k gaming performance in any meaningful way that's validated by all of my 4k testing on the card, so It looks like a kick-ass card hopefully this doesn't this is this is this is not gonna be any kind of an issue Asus is showing off a new professional grade 4k monitor This was posted by the gauge on the form I'm gonna go ahead and I'm pretty much gonna treat the whole show today by the way guys like rapid-fire Because I straight up am NOT gonna have I'm not gonna be able to hit all these topics if I if I don't do that So the source here is PC DIY dot a soos calm and this thing looks absolutely Sick a soos has really stepped up their game in terms of monitors going from just being kind of cheapo commodity stuff all the way up to some pretty Fantastic displays. I mean the ROG swift PG 278 Q was Undeniably in my mind the best gaming monitor on the market when it launched it has since It's got some tough competition right now for me from Acer's 4k g-sync IPS as Well as from Ben Q's XL 2730 Z not because I think the 2730 Z is necessarily a better monitor But because it comes in at a significantly lower price it has free sync but not g-sync so AMD gamers are gonna have to choose that anyway if they want variable refresh rate and On top of all that stuff the Ben Q monitor supports additional inputs which right now Any g-sync monitor is not gonna be able to do so this one looks pretty fantastic It's 4k of Course it's geared towards professionals it features a hundred percent it'll be RGB color gamut It's got 138 pixels per inch which is gonna make sense since it's a 32 inch monitor and supports a 10-bit Supports it has a 10-bit display with a 16-bit lookup table Which is important because the way that a monitor Approximates a color behind the scene so with the more granularity it can do that Actually the better it can represent it on the panel itself Even if the panel can't actually display as many colors as the lookup table can understand Nvidia launches mobile g-sync the original poster here is good bites And we've got a number of different sources here I guess I'll go ahead and fire up the Anon tech one since I love those guys. They're good guys over there Good old Ryan Smith and Dr. Cutress and I'm sure I'm forgetting someone else who's really nice Those are the guys that I sort of have actually chatted with anyway What do we have to say about it? Always synchronized variable overdrive actually variable overdrive is kind of important I can talk a little bit about that, but not not too too much SLI support Windowed mode support so g-sync is actually getting a fair bit of cool stuff Windowed mode support is a big one a lot of people prefer gaming in Full screen windowed mode and that was not supported in g-sync with g-sync up until now So they went ahead they launched that along with the 980ti Variable overdrive is something I didn't talk about at all in my 980ti video even though it's news that came out around the same time and What it means is okay, so pixel response times when you talk about gray to gray or black to gray or black to white or you know whatever however However LCD manufacturers want to talk about pixel response times is basically the amount of time in milliseconds That it takes for an individual pixel on average to go from one color to another color Whatever spec whatever color shift we're looking at so gray to gray would be gray and then back to gray so pixel response times are a factor for color reproduction reproduction because If you have a moving object across the screen and the pixels can't respond fast enough You're gonna have weird like a weird color ghost behind moving objects where there is a high contrast Line so something like a freelancer was a great example of this a bit of an older game now But so are most of the games that I've logged serious hours in and on my old Dell 24 inch monitor I really noticed that whenever the wingtips of my spacecraft moved around there was a serious We used to call it. We called it ghosting and then we decided that wasn't right and then we called it motion blur I think we're back to calling it ghosting. I don't know whatever. There's a trailing discoloration behind behind wingtips whenever there's a high contrast line now Variable refresh rate throws a real monkey wrench into this because what you can do through a feature called Overdrive is you can actually push the pixels harder to change Faster and that's how you're able that's one of the ways that you can reduce pixel response time and reduce this motion blur but variable refresh rate So when the when the pixels are actually being told to refresh at uneven intervals Can cause not necessarily a blurry artifact behind a moving object But what it can cause is differences in the stage that the pixels are at in terms of switching colors Depending on how quickly the whole panel is refreshing. Oh So Nvidia's basically come out with a way to have overdrive applied on the fly According to how quickly the monitor is refreshing and that's that's a new g-sync feature But the big one the one I'm supposed to be talking about is mobile g-sync and this was causing waves right around the same time as VRAM gate because It was kind of revealed through a site that was using a driver that a sues had um Accidentally leaked to them revealed that there was a particular sues laptop. I believe it was the g751 That could be tricked into running g-sync, but it wasn't quite working PC perspective did a great Follow-up on it where they really investigated it found out it wasn't quite working, right? But what this revealed was that g-sync could run without a dedicated g-sync scalar chip and in fact in notebooks It was speculated at the time that was how it would be run because of power constraints and space constraints on notebooks so So that looks like what has finally happened So there you go the one that we actually have here in house is not from not from a sues in fact We didn't get it. We didn't get a sample by Nvidia either. It's um It's a company called Sager or Sager. I'm gonna. I'll find out before I do my review what the correct pronunciation is for it But they they make laptops And they've got they've sent us a one of their one of their models that actually has a 4790k desktop CPU in it It's got a GTX 980m, and it's got a 75 Hertz variable refresh rate 1080p IPS display in it that I have played around with a little bit now and I got to tell you guys g-sync on mobile Makes a lot of sense just like it makes sense on a desktop to me. I love variable refresh rate and Yeah, it's a great gaming experience, so it uses embedded display port remember guys that and that Laptops have already had some manner certain ones some manner of variable refresh rate for some time It was used as a power saving feature so now it saw so now it's using embedded display port in order to enable this particular Feature there's no power consuming chip required And it's actually very similar to how AMD free sync functions on the desktop side so those two technologies should Perform quite similarly on mobile now something that is not clear as of yet is Whether Nvidia is going to enable g-sync module less G-sync on the desktop and adopt an open standard or do whatever else it is down the road But the sort of the word on the street and what Nvidia has said publicly is that there's more that they can do With the g-sync module than what they can do without the g-sync module so Mobile g-sync is going to be better than no g-sync or no free sync But mobile g-sync might not necessarily ever be able to be as good as desktop g-sync So stay tuned for that Let me just see if I'm missing anything else apparently optimus is not available with mobile g-sync yet since there's no support from Intel as of yet and I guess that's pretty much it Yeah, other than that. It's pretty much the way g-sync works So AMD Fiji was somewhat unveiled at Computex so this was posted by dr deconstruct on the forum Let's go ahead and post this link in here. Hey look at that I can get four thousand of you to watch even if I don't have Luke Maybe I should just get rid of him entirely because what do we what do we get about six thousand when we do have Luke? Yeah, okay. I guess he's still pulling his weight around here. I'm just kidding. I I feel weird I feel weird hosting the show without having Luke here accompanying me, but I totally understand He needs to sleep. They've done a great job at the show Let's go ahead and pull this up. So this is video cards calm but quite frankly there have been so Many leaks and so many there's so much speculation that all kind of points in the same direction that I think anyone's Pretty much as credible as anyone else when it comes to Radion r9 fury as it is rumored to be going to be called so the current sort of general consensus among rumors is that radion r9 390 X and down are going to be rebrands Maybe not straight rebrands because it was also revealed that AMD's oh and I'm gonna screw it up because there's so many Codenames I believe it was Tonga Tonga 384 bit Let's just have a quick look Yes, so AMD actually this is from WCCF tech AMD's Tonga GPU which Again, this is off memory But I believe our buddy Scott Watson over at tech report was pretty damn sure was a 384 bit memory controller capable chip Even though the only card it's appeared in is a 256 bit memory controller card like memory interface card Um, it looks like if that's who said it and I'm pretty darn sure it was it looks like he was right So even though the current rumor is that anything 390 X and down is basically gonna be rebadges of current GPUs We might get some curveballs thrown in there, especially if AMD decides to do a fully enabled Tonga so the rumor then is that the Fiji GPU is going to appear in a halo type card Much like Nvidia's Titan series and it's gonna be called the fury which if you've been following Formerly ATI but now AMD graphics cards for a really long time might be a bit of a familiar name Rage fury anybody remember those so it looks like this might be a bit of a throwback kind of name to the old ATI days But there you go. It's pictured here Fiji makes a public appearance There's four stacks of high bandwidth memory remember guys That's one of the things that makes it super high bandwidth the fact that they are able to put it right next to the GPU instead of having it take up a bunch of space on a board and There you go, that's it being shown off by AMD. So this is on video cards.com Very cool, um Current current rumors also suggest that Fiji is going to be quite a small Graphics card and given that you don't need a bunch of room on the PCB It kind of makes sense, but you know what I kind of want to do a straw poll about this straw poll Do you guys feel like a smaller graphics card? Does it feel like you're getting less for your money does a Small graphics card make your ePain feel inadequate Because it's not like Nvidia has never done this before I mean the GTX 670 was a second from the top tier card effectively and it had that tiny short PCB And then it had like that that penis extension as I called it at the time Plastic shroud extension that made the card actually bigger that reduced compatibility with Okay, so let's go with let's come up with a nonsense option So so Nvidia has actually done that before but if you watercooled so right so they hurt Compatibility with cases in order to make it like seem bigger and also to have room for the blower fan But that's neither here nor there and guys who watercooled those things Ended up with like this like badass looking motherboard and like huge RAM with lights all over it And then there's like any mini graphics card and it kind of like I almost felt like it was Like a way to get you to buy a GTX 680 just to get a decent sized card So it would look cool in your system, so I want to hear from you guys Does a small graphics card make your ePain feel inadequate? So if you bought a Fiji for you know, let's say similar price Let's say somewhere between a GTX 980 Ti pricing so you know 650 bucks and like Titan X pricing So a thousand dollars would you feel like you got ripped off if it was small? We've got 47% of you saying no, it's no big deal doesn't matter we've got 35% of you though saying that yes a small graphics card makes me feel inadequate Which is which is pretty darn interesting with 18% of you voting for eyeliner Which is great? I mean if you guys can wear it nearly as well as Johnny Depp Then I feel pretty good for you all right Microsoft explains what you'll lose by upgrading to Windows 10. This is posted by fuzzy Crumpkin, let's go ahead and copy the link. I Can't believe we're like almost half an hour into the show because I have so many Topics today the original article here is from the verge. So let's go ahead and pull that bad boy up Go internet Microsoft explains what you'll lose because they're offering it and you guys have probably seen notifications In fact, I'm screen sharing right now. There you go. So the process goes a little something like this Get Windows 10 Reserve, okay install enjoy Blah blah blah blah blah So here they tell us a bunch of good stuff about it and then you go ahead and you I think something here Whatever. I don't know. I did it on another computer. I don't understand how to do it anymore Apparently learn more on Windows calm whatever So the point is they're not really talking about some of the things that you are going to lose So Windows Media Center is going away So if you're one of the seven people on earth who uses Windows Media Center Then you might be a little bit disappointed and there is no downgrade that I'm aware of Microsoft seems to be confident enough This is not that this is not a vista and people are not going to be clamoring to downgrade and then upgrade later if at all Update to do new drivers will be required for floppy disks So if you were still using a floppy disk, you might want to stick with Windows 7 or Windows 8 Cortana will only be available in the US UK China France Italy Germany and Spain at launch So Canada is getting no love although that's not necessarily something that Upgraders lose since it's not like they had Cortana anyway Watching DVDs will require separate playback software So that's something that they've been including for quite some time and looks like will no longer be included with that said I don't watch a ton of DVDs on my computer. In fact Most of the computers that I mostly care about these days are portable ones and I don't even have DVD drives in them In fact, a lot of people are building desktops without DVD drives in them Mine actually has a DVD drive that plays CDs DVDs HD DVDs and blu-rays So I'm equipped for any optical media, but the last time I used it was when I convinced myself I was gonna play Alice madness returns and then I never got around to it And then I eventually pulled it out of the drive because I was sick of it spinning up every time I turned on my computer I'm annoyed. So there you go. Maybe you use a DVD drive. I personally don't Oh, what else we got here now Windows? Hello biometric passwords We'll need an infrared camera for facial recognition or a supported fingerprint reader and Xbox music and Xbox video streaming apps will be constrained by region-based licenses Pro. Oh, this is something very interesting pro and enterprise editions will be able to defer updates So that is to say they'll be able to say yeah. No, I'm not ready yet. I'll take an update later Windows 10 the normal one for like normal people home people will not have that option Updates will be downloaded and installed automatically once they're available now a big part of me Is upset about that because from a productivity standpoint that can be super duper annoying and a big part of me is Upset about that because I don't like someone telling me how to use my computer But a big part of me kind of goes, you know what they're right Because how often is it if you guys are you know what? Let's draw pull the crap out of this too because this is kind of a big deal How often is it and I want to hear from the guys who do like on the side or professional? Tech work for like family or friends or in a store So Windows updates Mandatory Yay or nay Yay nay How many of you guys have a machine brought into your shop or given to you that's like oh it's really slow and it's got lots of viruses and You kind of sit there and go well gee Maybe if you'd allowed your computer to install an update once in the last I don't know four years you wouldn't be having this problem because it's not necessarily about you It's about most of the users out there and if Windows updates being rolled out more quickly means that it's less easy for Malware to propagate and for you what for computers to be compromised is that not good for us all as a whole? I understand that bandwidth constraints are a big problem for some people and I get that but Yeah, geez, I don't know looks like you guys are pretty divided on this as well with 47% of you 48% Figuring yay, you know, let's make the mandatory 39% of you saying nay and 13% of you all agreeing with each other that surfing is cool so I Wish that I could kind of go on a tirade now and say this is the right thing. This is the answer And they've got it wrong or they've got it right, but I don't I don't have a clear answer one thing that I do know is that You know as a professional organization like here at at work, you know as a pro user I Might pay a little extra for a pro license to not have to you know Just have our computers randomly install updates and shut down or whatever the case may be so Gee, man, I don't know SSDs continue to get cheaper. This was posted by on the forum by each Chando. Let me go ahead and post the link here Sandisk has a 2TB SSD for a thousand dollars now 2TB SSDs are not Necessarily the newest thing in the world. In fact, we were talking on WAN show about a 6TB SSD Not that long ago 2TB for a thousand dollars means 50 cents per gig and I remember Everyone wanted that $1 per gig mark. That was what everyone wanted and then it happened and then SSDs exploded and went mainstream The fact that we're seeing this now if I'm a hard drive maker Boy, am I afraid because Moore's law dictates that this is going to be half the price in I believe it's I believe it's a year. So every what is it every year? We double the transistor density or whatever. So this should be half the price in a year Maybe even cheaper once Sandisk has a little bit of competition here. That is Incredible because it's not that everyone needs a 2TB boot drive In fact, I don't think everyone needs a 2TB boot drive and I think that the amount of storage that people need as a boot drive Is going to where it's going to intersect with the speed at which SSDs are increasing in capacity So it's gonna happen even sooner. SSDs aren't gonna have to catch up to hard drives. So people are gonna need their bulk storage They're gonna have a NAS or they're gonna have a Dropbox account that they pay way too much for whatever else the case may be They're gonna have their bulk magnetic storage and then they're only gonna need I think 512 gigs is lots and 1TB is as much as we'll ever need and don't quote me on that I know but 1TB was kind of a magic point for hard drives When people that was like the time when people stopped caring about new hard drives 1TB was a super magic time for hard drives I think affordable 1TB drives is gonna be a super magic time for SSDs as well because that's enough to have A handful of games installed even if you're a gamer and if you're gonna start streaming games over the internet Especially for the ones where twitch responsiveness is not that important that storage space locally could become even less relevant It's enough to have a lot of games installed. It's enough to have a fair chunk of movies You can always have an external drive for some additional movies or other media Wow Super scary. So it's the extreme 900 portable SSDs It has a 1.92 terabyte formatted size. There will also be 480 and 960 gig versions and has a maximum performance rating of 850 megabytes per second It doesn't specify reads or writes It's equipped with a USB 3.1 interface and they'll have a three-year warranty on these new drives So stay tuned guys because anything that shows up in an external drive is going to be in an internal drive And as performance continues to scale SSDs are going to be in an internal drive And as performance continues to scale SSDs are going to just keep make more and more and more sense all the time And you know what's funny is because Back when SSDs were still gaining traction there would be every SSD video I did Was just full of comments about how nobody needs an SSD and it doesn't matter and don't you have two seconds to wait And now people are finally mostly clued in to the fact that it's way more than two seconds And yes, it's worth it. The trade-off is worth it. It's huge. It could be 30 seconds when you're launching an application depending on what else you've got going on in your computer at a time And that could be 30 seconds now and then 30 seconds a minute from now It's a big deal Yeah, I'm a huge SSD advocate as you guys probably know at this point There's a USB drive with USB type A and type C although I actually hadn't looked at the article for this one yet Because I assumed that I knew what we were talking about Here we go I assumed I knew what we were talking about and I thought it was something from another company but apparently This is SanDisk showing off one at Computex This is the way that USB type C is going to go mainstream having it also on drives that feature USB type A So you have that compatibility with something like a MacBook as well as with the whatever other computer you own That obviously doesn't have a type C connector since you probably don't own both a Chromebook, Pixel, latest gen and a MacBook So a way to actually get data onto it in order to put onto your MacBook This is going to be really common I think until USB type C just goes completely ubiquitous And all the other connectors pretty much go away But one of the things that I'm happy to see is not everyone is diving head first into just USB type C devices No, that seems to be mostly Apple that wants to do that Because as much as type C has been vetted in a laboratory somewhere It has not been field tested yet And before I have a bunch of motherboards and laptops that only have type C connectors on them I would love to have a little bit of experience actually using the thing Alright, so Intel has been showing off Broadwell This was posted by Zemule Let's go ahead and copy the link here So Broadwell for desktops, we've already seen Broadwell in the Core M So we've got Broadwell for mobile devices already But of course Broadwell for desktops is kind of a big deal Or is it? So Tom's Hardware has got their review up of the 5775C and the 5675C And basically what it comes down to is Dang it, Tom's Can you not please? Basically what it comes down to is Yup, performance has not really changed a lot in terms of You know, gaming with a discrete GPU I sure wish this would work a little better for me here But the onboard graphics looks like it has pretty much killed any possibility of Oh, for crying out loud Any possibility of discrete grade low end graphics cards existing pretty well ever again So I'm going to make sure I'm on the right dang page here There we go, so let's have a look at these performance numbers from Tom's Good guys over there as well Actually same ownership as an UNTECH these days Look at that, so that's Bioshock Infinite at 1080p Low settings mind, you know anti-aliasing Running at 86 frames per second average On the Core i5 That's incredible I mean AMD was king of the integrated graphics Ever since they launched the APU concept But Intel quietly, slowly but surely has been improving the integrated graphics on their mainstream chips as well To the point where now, holy cow If I'm AMD, I'm a little bit scared because People have always, people ask me what CPU to buy all the time And if they're using integrated graphics for some light gaming or it's like a computer at grandma's house And the grandkids come over once in a while Maybe they bring a game and they're staying over for the weekend And they don't want it to just completely not run at all I'd say get an APU Wow, if they don't have that going for them anymore That is deeply worrying if you're into AMD continuing to make sense On the low end onboard graphics scene Now I can't find it in the Tom's article right now But there's actually some pretty good die shots out there of Broadwell And how like literally half, half of the die is not CPU Which should make sense given that we know that Intel can cram you know 8 cores in an enthusiast grade CPU these days So the fact that they're only putting 4 on the mainstream ones means they probably had a lot of room left over Here's a scary thought too Oh wow, imagine this for a moment If Intel actually did like a dedicated chip for gamers Where it had no onboard graphics But it actually, because AMD has done this before On the FM2 platform I believe or FM2 plus They did non-APUs, they did just CPUs Imagine if Intel did that Where they took something like a Broadwell or the upcoming Skylake And they just chopped off the GPU and did a pure gaming skew It would cost them half as much obviously plus R&D But the actual material cost would be half what the one with the GPU built into it would be How scary is that if Intel could deliver 4790K performance to anyone who's planning to put a graphics card in For half the price for 149.99 I don't even know what AMD would sell at that point But I don't think Intel's really that into putting AMD out of business anyway So I guess it, yeah, doesn't, it's really a non-issue Speaking of non-issues, hopefully you guys don't have an issue With us doing our sponsors for the week So sponsor number one is Lynda.com And 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Twitch But the headline here is actually kind of heartbreaking It's an article from EmmaZen.com Disney terminated your job By the way, can you please train your replacement So last take after layoff at Disney, train for a replacement So yeah, pretty much employees Some of which have worked at Disney for 10 years And there's a really heartbreaking story about one guy that actually had a performance review from his direct supervisor After he'd been told by that person's boss that he was being terminated And had to train his cheaper import replacement That said that he was being recommended for a raise And that he had saved the company a ton of money And it was like a really positive performance review So anyway, data systems employees They monitored the computers in industrial buildings nearby Making sure millions of ticket sales, store purchases, and hotel reservations went through without a hitch Some of them thought the meetings with their manager had been called Since they were receiving a bonus for their stellar work In actuality, 250 employees were called in until they would be laid off The jobs were transferred to people on temporary visas for highly skilled technical work Brought in by an outsourcing firm The jobs were... So over the next three months, some employees were required to train their replacements to do the job that they lost So for the first month, their replacement shadows them For the second month, they do it side by side For the third month, they basically don't do anything and just kind of watch their job being done by their new person So if they remained for the 90 days to train their replacement They were offered a stay bonus of 10% of the severance pay on top of their severance pay Sigh Yeah, so this is... So there's a couple things happening Number one is outsourcing is still very much real Number two is the crazy thing about this Is it's nothing compared to when Disney automates that job Who knows how long from now I mean we talked about the McDonald's restaurant that is opening with no employees whatsoever on Wanshow a while ago Well I shouldn't say whatsoever They have a skeleton crew to oversee the machines But everything from taking orders to making burgers to delivering the burger to the customer Is going to be handled by robots And what that is going to mean Because I gotta look at something like that as Is McDonald's just shooting themselves in the foot I mean who eats at McDonald's If not, and no offense if you eat at McDonald's I eat at McDonald's from time to time too But I mean who relies on McDonald's if not your lower income people So, and actually my badminton doubles partner Was a long time McDonald's employee He ate like almost every meal at McDonald's So you're gonna go So you're McDonald's and you're gonna basically not just take away jobs and income from But you're gonna piss off all these lower income people who presumably have families and friends Who you know maybe there's a couple lower income people there as well You're gonna go and piss off all these people for the sake of saving a couple bucks Who's gonna eat at your restaurant anymore And maybe I'm wrong Maybe I'm completely wrong And maybe McDonald's business is gonna completely take off Because the robots are faster, more sanitary They make fewer errors I don't know It's just I don't see myself ever doing this I also am not in a position where I'm running a huge multi-billion dollar multinational corporation Where every penny I save literally results in tens or hundreds of millions of dollars But I like having a team of people that's paid a living wage and is happy with the work that they're doing And I just It grosses me out to see stuff like this Speaking of So fully automated This was posted by Boozoo on the forum And Asus has rolled out the first fully automated graphics card production line And this fascinates me from a technological standpoint But ties very well into this last topic And we've got the original article here One of them from Tom's Hardware I've actually asked Asus to give me a lot more details on this And I would actually love to get my hands on one of the graphics cards made with it Because I don't know if you guys know this But graphics cards up till now still had some hand soldering And I believe some of the QA was actually done by hand So their new production method is an industry first and should deliver more reliable, higher quality graphics cards than before By completely taking out the human element So hopefully this is going to go ahead and load a larger image at some point here Doopity doop, there you go Look how beautiful that PCB is So the like, the geeky tech in me goes Holy cow, that is sexorific I mean, it is so clean Everything is perfect But Asus isn't going to give you a discount on it I'm sure And I mean, as much as some people might go Well, you know, soldering components on graphics cards at the last stage of production is a crappy job It was a job for someone And they do not have it anymore So, what's, I mean, but this is like, so again, we're My inner geek kind of goes, holy crap, that's awesome Because one of the things that you can achieve here is less oxidation on the graphics card Because you can actually produce them in an environment without oxygen So what, so my graphics card could last for 20 years? That seems like a pretty good thing I don't know, man So there's some speculation that this could lead to longer warranties Better reliability, like all this cool stuff So the first card produced using Auto Extreme was the 20th anniversary edition card So I've actually asked Asus for a sample so we can check this out in person Um, do do do do do So there's a really good thread on the forum This was posted by Mech77 I'm gonna go ahead and post this here Um, do do do do do do do do Hmm, alright Sorry, I'm a little slower paced than usual I'm trying to keep up here without my lovely co-host But basically there's a YouTube video to watch about DirectX 12's multi GPU rendering So there's a demo here from Oxide Games Um, and you guys should definitely check that out I'll post that link in the thread that goes up after WAN Show So currently the way that multi GPUs are combined is that each GPU in a dual card config Takes turns rendering each frame And back in the early days of multi GPU crossfire and SLI It was actually done a little bit differently So you could have alternate frame rendering And that was usually what would work best But sometimes you could do tiled stuff And there were actually other modes But the way that that works is both GPUs have to be nearly identical And run at the same clock speed And have the same data in their video memory Resulting in redundancies and limitations in terms of which cards can be used And how the resources can be used So something that's a huge confusion point And that Nvidia and AMD frankly don't help people with Is that if you buy a card like a GTX 690 Okay, which is pretty much two 670 slash 680 sort of cards It'll call itself, what's it, oh crap, 690, what was that, a 6gig card? Pfffff, or was it a 4gig card, whatever, I don't care I think it was a 4gig card So it'll call itself a 4gig card Because there's technically 4 gigabytes of GPU memory on board But actually, useably, there's only 2 gigs Because it has to have two copies It has to have two copies of the data in memory And so yes, that was a 4gig card So now, each GPU can render only a specific part of the frame And video memory can be stacked As each card is actually working on a separate aspect of the frame So it's up to the developer to implement this Which means pretty much And the video actually shows an integrated GPU being used in conjunction with a dedicated GPU So here we go So which means that in my mind, we're pretty much not going to see this implemented very well, if at all But it's a very cool piece of technology for the future I'm just trying to find them Oh, bloody hell, well whatever You can check out this video and I'll definitely link it if you want to get a little bit more detail in terms of how it works Very cool tech I'm not sure if it'll have any practical use Just because if you guys already look at how broken, established stuff like SLI that's been around for years That Nvidia is actively working on You look at how well that's working in some modern games And you kind of go, oh crap Because quite frankly, is Nvidia going to have any incentive to help a game developer implement this? No Is AMD going to want to do it? Maybe But hard to say This I actually talked about a little bit Here we go This I actually talked about a little bit in my 980 Ti video But this could be a big problem This is definitely from TechPower up here and was originally posted Let me just grab that OP here Was originally posted on the forum by BigStruens This could be a big problem for AMD over the next little bit I don't know if you guys are going to remember this But I'm not even sure if I remember this correctly I'm trying to remember who had the DirectX 11 advantage I want to say AMD First DirectX 11 card I want to say it was 6000 series I really don't remember I suck Well, whatever The point is having an advantage in terms of what level of DirectX is supported by your cards Maybe AMD was doing 11.1 first or something like that Someone's going to correct me, thank you in advance Having an advantage in terms of your DirectX support level can be a huge selling point for gamers And whether it actually translates into something meaningful for the person who owns that card That's the first one to support DirectX 9 Is highly debatable I know AMD had an advantage back in the DirectX 9 days When it was the 9000 series versus the FX series But that was a whole other issue because not only were the FX 5800 series not even properly DirectX They were just kind of sucked in general So ATI was selling a lot more cards at the time just on the sheer merit of their performance in DirectX 8 games at the time And that's a big issue Whether there's a real advantage to owning that first DirectX 12.1 card is yet to be seen Because DirectX 12.1 capable games might show up and the GTX 980 could look like a joke Even running it with those features on and actually we need 10,000 80s in order to really get the most out of it anyway But that will sell gamers on games And DirectX 12 is looking like yes, we'll have support on pretty much any DirectX 10 card or newer But that doesn't mean we have all the support So you're going to have the low level access for game developers to get more out of the hardware That's great You're going to have that low CPU overhead on pretty much the entire backlog there But what you won't have is some pretty cool new rendering features So one of them is volume tiled resources So this is an evolution of tiled resources So that is basically reusing resources rather than restoring them or re-rendering them all the time So this is volume tiled resources Are you jumping in because you want to talk DirectX 12.1 or just in general? Hi? Are you guys doing something to me? Yeah Oh No Okay, oh that was Ed, he said hi, thanks Ed So volume tiled resources and this loads the entire texture to memory Not only just along X and Y axis but also a third dimension So this is like a performance improvement So while it's a rendering technique it could be something that just straight up improves performance Conservative rasterization so that is a means of drawing polygons with additional pixels that makes it easier For two polygons to interact with each other Like you know how like the characters shoulder armor will just like dip into their shoulder from time to time? This could help with stuff like that and raster ordered views Which is a means to optimize raster loads in the order in which they appear in an object So practical applications include improved shadows So these are only going to be supported, are you joining me? Yeah, yeah Yeah sure, come on in We've got Nick joining us These are only features that are going to work on cards that support DirectX 12 underscore like feature level one So that is Maxwell, not 750 Ti is my understanding So second gen Maxwell, 960, 970, 980 and Titan X and 980 Ti And then AMD's Tonga and then presumably Fiji Which is a card that's going to be inaccessible to most people thanks to its price anyway Because what we don't know is how much it costs but what we do know is that it's not cheap So what you got? Do you want to talk 65 core smartphone? Yeah, yeah, let's talk about the 65 core smartphone I thought this was pretty funny So Intel created a mock 65 core smartphone where one of their principal engineers Francois Piednoel You're actually, it's a little bit off frame here I'll move over, there we go Francois Piednoel, he made remarks during an Intel benchmarking session at Computex on Thursday that this is the world's first 65 core smartphone He said more than a server but what it really was was the, what was it, 4 core Zenfone, is it? Yeah And then a 61 core Xeon that he essentially just taped to the back of it So kind of taking pot shots at the competition a little bit after the whole deca core thing from MediaTek And you know what, I agree with Intel 100% that the core race on particularly mobile is really silly right now And I think there's one other major smartphone maker, I'm trying to remember what they're called What are they, it starts with an A It starts with an A, they only have dual core smartphones even though everyone else is going quad and octa, right, Apple I think Apple also agrees that we don't need a core count race in smartphones right now On PCs where we're finally getting multi-threaded workloads whether it's 3D rendering or video outputting Or DirectX 12 coming and giving us finally some multi-threading awareness for games On desktops, yes, multi-core makes sense and has made sense for quite some time In mobile, we need strong single cores for a long time still And so a 65 core smartphone would be a little silly A 10 core smartphone is probably a little silly unless the strategy would be a super strong dual core in like 8 super low power auxiliary cores or whatever the case may be That's kind of Intel's point right, is that you're not going to be able to push 10 cores in a form factor for a smartphone Like it's going to be 1 to 2 cores that are doing all the work And then the other 8 are just there for marketing purposes essentially just like look at how many cores we have Yeah, because there are implementations that make sense like a big small implementation where I mean we've even seen this octa core processors that have, so there's 4 big ones and 4 small ones So the phone can literally turn off the big ones when you're not doing anything intensive And Intel has quad core smartphone processors, so there's that But yeah, we don't need 10 and it will be a long time if ever that we need more than 4 And I should, with ever asterisk at some point I'm sure we will I don't think that will be during the silicon age though Yeah, it might take something completely different to come along in the future So what do we got next? Official Valve steam machine pre-orders to reach some customers October 16th This was posted by Goodbytes, oh and that last one was posted by, oh shoot I actually had to open the article here to see who posted it Yeah, I'm not sure I want to give you credit, Fuzzy Yellow So let's go ahead and pull this one up, this one the original article here is from Polygon And it looks like official steam machines are actually a thing But this is not the kind of steam machine that tickles my enthusiast funny bone This looks like pretty much a collaboration with Alienware to just have Alienware steam machine be the official steam machine And so it's going to be pretty low power, it's not going to be particularly upgradable Yeah, so I don't know what to say Steam controller is coming out Yeah, Steam controller, it will have a custom graphics core that will perform at about the level of an 860M So if you want to play anything sort of more complicated than Super Meat Boy at 1080p then you're not going to be that thrilled with the experience There's a great video for the Steam Controller teaser showing it being used in games that looks really, really compelling So everything from top down RTS to shooters and whoever's been using it probably has like a thousand hours logged on it So yeah They're looking pretty pro with the haptic feedback on that They're looking pretty pro, but if you guys haven't seen the finished Steam Controller yet, then there's a picture of what it's going to look like right there So we end up with something that at least bears a resemblance to a normal game controller Like you kind of got a D-pad, haptic touch D-pad sort of They went and they put that texture on there for the D-pad lovers It's still just like the full circle is touch sensitive It's all trackable You've got an analog stick, you've got your ABXY, and then you've got your other touch pad And then what's really cool and they show how this is being used is the reverse buttons So you've got a squeeze in here, you've got the ones up here And they show that being used in some really cool ways Like we've seen aftermarket stuff like this We actually got some controllers in for review that had buttons remapped to the bottom So that you didn't have to, so that you could aim and zoom and fire at the same time Like scuff and stuff like that Stuff like that We thought the implementation was very poor, we didn't end up reviewing it But, Valve's looks like it might be okay So, I'm going to be like the Luke on this one and just say I could see this being a lot of fun for games like Civ Just kind of sitting on the couch and playing Civ and laying back and kind of zoning out I don't see a whole lot of use for it in, like you said, FPS games Sure, it's better than a normal controller maybe But you're still just going to get beat by everyone with a mouse and keyboard as far as I can tell I haven't played with things so maybe I'm totally wrong But, yeah, like Valve even says it's not meant to replace a mouse and keyboard It's meant to bring a better couch experience to PC gaming So I think that they're doing a good job with that Meanwhile, you've got Corsair Hold on, couch Lapdog Lapdog, thank you, there it is Meanwhile, you've got guys like Nerdy Tech and even Corsair jumping in Trying to bring the mouse and keyboard experience to the couch Rather than trying to get you to compromise with the controller And I admire their efforts here, but I, for me I would probably, I'm going to at least give Valve's controller a shot here So this was posted by Bleedmen0xx on the forum here I'm going to go ahead and copy it And finally, finally Valve is allowing refunds on Steam in a way that is actually meaningful And not just like, oh, you know, once in a blue moon if ever So you can now request a refund for nearly any purchase on Steam for any reason Wow That's actually kind of insane Which shouldn't be insane Finally, digital distribution Okay, okay, okay, okay Back in the old days of physical media, you could return a game This was pre-CD keys This was back when the physical media represented the game You didn't own the game anymore if you didn't have that disc Now, CD keys came along and all of a sudden that disc meant nothing Once you'd registered an account with Blizzard or whatever the case may be I mean, you could be returning them nothing And you might as well be returned, like they weren't going to get a credit So then digital came along and adopted that policy for some reason Even though platforms like Steam are their own DRM They know if you've played the game I mean, that was something that I could see a physical store being upset about Well, you were just using us as a free rental You finished the game and brought it back, screw you Valve knows! They even know where you die on their maps in Counter-Strike Like, they know how much you played the game So now you will be issued a full refund of your purchase within a week of approval If you have played the game for I believe it's less than two hours So 14 days as long as you've played it for less than two hours for pre-purchased titles Refunds on in-game purchases I think that's a really big one, especially with the prevalence of stuff like Counter-Strike items Did you know there's some knives in Counter-Strike now that are like $1,500 US dollars for a knife skin? So within 48 hours of purchase, so long as it has not been consumed, modified or transferred Refunds on DLC and it blah blah blah Refundable within 14 days of purchase And if the underlying title has not been played for less than two hours since the DLC was purchased Steam wallet refunds within 14 days of purchase If they were purchased on Steam, you don't have to use any of those funds And refunds on bundles! You can now receive a full refund for any bundle purchased on the Steam store So long as none of the items in the bundle have been transferred And if the combined usage of time is less than two hours Two hours is the magic time, which honestly is pretty generous No refunds on movies, because as long as you've used this movie for less than two hours It's like, yeah, I missed the end credits Thanks So refunds are designed to remove the risk from purchasing titles on Steam Not as a way to get free access to games If it appears to us that you are abusing refunds, we may stop offering them to you We do not consider it abuse to request a refund on a title that was purchased just before a sale And then immediately rebuying that title for the sale price So this is effectively Valve offering price protection even If you've played a game for less than two hours That's cool, hey? Way to go I think it's pretty sweet Way to go, Valve Some people in chat are calling me out about saying there was a $1500 knife There was one that was rumored to go for $20,000 No one has any real proof of that, and even if it was, that's like a one-off That's not a market price, that's someone paying way too much for a stupid... $1500 is way too much Anyway, I'm on a tangent Let's have a first Nick Rantz segment Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, nobody wants to hear that People in chat, this isn't... We talked about this earlier in the week, this isn't in the doc But people in chat all stream have been asking about the Thermaltake thing That's your opinion on that What's my opinion? I don't give a rat's ass That's why it wasn't in the doc Yeah, it's straight up wasn't in our document for topics to cover this week If anyone... okay, you know what? Here, I'm gonna... I'm gonna put my computer... Now for the official Linus Rantz segment I'm gonna put my computer down I'm gonna give you guys a little... No, no, it's fine, it's fine I'm gonna give you guys a little chat, okay? The PC industry is the most inbred Copying everyone, people stealing trade secrets from each other Industry that could possibly exist Remember, these are technology enthusiasts These are the guys who are inventing 3D printers, okay? And 3D scanners And like, better means of ripping each other off all day, okay? And so I'm gonna go and I'm gonna drag someone else into this whole thing I'm not even gonna talk about Thermaltake or Case Labs I know where you're going Yeah, I'm going there Don't go there, please I'm going there So let's look at a company like Fractal Design I love Fractal Design I love Josh, I love Jens, I love Hanes I'll even tolerate Johan I'm naming all the people at Fractal Design who I know and like and respect Fractal Design built their company, their first product, the Define R They built their company off of taking the Antec P180 And doing it better and cheaper than Antec And Antec, to this day, in my mind, although I haven't seen their new signature case To this day has not found their groove again And that's the breaks The thing about a case, the thing about a physical object Is that if you can't find a way to patent it And Josh from Fractal Design has actually been on the record saying There's only so many ways to manufacture a rectangular box He actually brought that up last week On what's, Paul and Kyle's show is Awesome Hardware, right? Awesome Sauce News and Paul's Hardware I think their live show is called Awesome Hardware Sorry guys if that's not correct But Kyle had Josh on as a guest because Paul's in Taipei for Computex So Josh actually said in that stream He went to the old there's only so many ways that you can make a metal box Argument when it was brought up with him So it's not like these guys aren't aware that that's what's happening And the innovation in a case The innovation in a case in my mind is not in the finished product Because if I could make a case out of spider webs and pixie dust Then I could make the best case ever Of course I could The innovation in a case is in manufacturing So if you patent a process for bending aluminum In a way that literally no one else can even make your case Then you innovate it If you innovate the idea of having like okay NZXT's innovation Of removing the 5.25 inch bays from the H440 Innovative idea but you can't patent that And you can't prevent your competitors from making a case with no 5.25 inch bays And NZXT is not a bunch of idiots And they know that someone is going to As soon as that case is successful Everyone else and their dog is going to be doing it Because that's not that's just that's just it's an idea You can't patent an idea Well you can patent an idea But you can't patent like removing a spec I guess is what I'm trying to say You can't patent a spec difference So like you can't patent the idea of executing a case that doesn't have a certain aspect Yeah Like it's not that you can't patent an idea It's that you can't patent an aspect of something that's so ubiquitous 5.25 inch bays exist And you'll have cases on the with a spec sheet on the side that says 1 x 5.25 Or 5 x 5.25 The fact that you just made a case that says 0 x 5.25 is not is not It's not patent Yeah that's not that's not patentable Yeah Whereas the idea of you know Okay looking at Inwin's transforming case Where they literally made something that no one else can make That is innovation So to me someone like Case Labs came along and they did something really important They made easy spacious water cooling friendly cases accessible and affordable and high quality In a way that Hey if we're gonna start talking about copying people In a way that I who I would consider to be their spiritual predecessor Mountain Mods didn't manage to do That's what Case Labs did And they did a great job But if they're gonna kind of run and cry foul because someone You know copied that idea of making an affordable roomy well thought out case I mean I don't know To me it's about actually making it And it's not necessarily about the idea of having a lot of places for a radiator If you don't actually execute it or someone else executes it better And that is another thing to consider here Cases how there's more to a case than the spec and the look And if Case Labs believes that their quality is great And from my experience with them it is Then they shouldn't be worried about competition from Thermaltake Period So there that's my take on it I have talked about it Yeah and you know what oh I've got people saying I think the issue is that the people they're buying their cases from is the same Manufacturer Well yeah That's the PC industry man You think that you think that every power So when Corsair Yeah when Corsair releases their 80 plus platinum power supply And you know everyone else has an 80 plus platinum power supply the next week You think that's not the same thing Come on Come on Come on You think that when NZXT releases the Kraken X40 And Corsair has a single 140 millimeter all in one liquid cooler That's also an Asetek design You know a little while later You think someone didn't make a deal A volume agreement or a payout for a limited time exclusive And then all of a sudden the design is open to everyone That's how the PC industry works Re-badges, re-brands There's only a few companies actually building things And they're going to be the ones that are going to hold all the They're going to hold all the cards And they're going to have the power in the long term There you go So apparently Josh wasn't on Awesome Hardware I don't know where I saw it then I've seen him talk about it Yeah he was talking to somebody on one of the shows I can't remember I watch a lot of videos every week I've got people saying they don't think I get it Like I've looked at pictures of the cases I see the similarity Sure I do And like that's dumb But like it's not like It's not like Apple doesn't get all upset when someone makes a phone that's similar to the iPhone And even they've given up at this point it looks like So Somebody was saying Apple could probably patent the 0.5 or 5.25 inch bay idea that you had Yeah possibly Probably You're probably right They could patent it I'm not sure if it would be upheld though No but they would probably patent it Probably Anyway Apparently it was in Jace Two Cents' Tech Talk Oh sorry Jace Two Cents My bad Okay so Google advertises a Nexus 6 running Windows Phone Microsoft advertises a Lumia 535 running Android So the original poster here was rude Copy link URL I actually You know what's funny is I had some notes in my email Because I always forget to open up the doc And like post the things I just assumed Valve Steam Refunds would be in the doc And I kind of went oh yeah all the Computex stuff There's like straight up no room I had like 35 topics in the doc And I was like well I have to cut like half of these Not actually but like a significant amount of these And that was like with me not even just like putting stuff in periodically And that was without the three minute conversation we just had about the thing So this is cool hey I would love to see a future where you get to choose your phone hardware and your OS independently Um yeah Apparently some marketing agencies thought that the future was now Yeah So you know is this real It doesn't necessarily look like anything like this is coming anytime soon But it's also very Illuminati confirmed that both of these mistakes showed up at around the same time So you know I think it would be super cool I think it also opens up a can of worms in terms of you know compatibility and drivers and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah That we've been free from on phones up until now But still very cool stuff Well I think I've only really got one more that I really want to hit The original poster here was Joss And I think we're going to need a straw poll for you guys here Because I literally found this like five minutes before the show started And I was laughing my head off and I was like what are you laughing at And I just pointed at my screen he's like okay I think we have to talk about that Yeah so um I know I'm leaving you guys in suspense here But this is worth it Illuminati The chats all Illuminati Okay so No it needs to be turn up I just do whatever I only did that twice in a row like by accident Yeah but okay Oh I think I know what you're talking about Okay well at any rate here we go guys Ha The original poster here I'm going to post the straw poll now The original poster here is Joss And the original article here is from Phone Arena Here it is It is a smart wearable called the sex machine That keeps track of sex performance metrics And you wouldn't believe where it's worn unless you saw this GIF Then you'll probably figure out exactly where it's going to be worn Now I can see a lot of you know potential you know good that could come of this You know um What's good for him is good for her and so on and so forth And you know there's tons of statistical evidence out there that a healthy sex life And maybe one that we can you know if we can make it healthier is good for a relationship and all that kind of stuff But I've also got a lot of people suggesting ways this could be used for evil Like um Terran's using a great biking app that actually measures like it shows um You know how you performed on a particular like a split Yeah yeah Like split times As you as you bike around compared to other people that have been through that particular Oh no Through that particular route Um you know ways you could integrate this into a social Through that particular route Social network features here um you know you could see if you're the best performing guy on your street You know stuff like that um Oh no So I'm going to fire up the straw poll results here Do you want your sex performance monitored We've got a definite minority here Saying yes 24% of them are okay with having their sex performance monitored And I don't even know if this is all going into the cloud or whatever I haven't actually we found this right before the show Oh it's probably it probably is going into the cloud Oh man I doubt it's stored locally I highly doubt it's stored locally Can you imagine that okay Loading up an android app Uh this app requests permission to access your camera, your contacts, your sex performance Can you even imagine Oh no Yeah we've got more no's coming in now that we're sort of talking about cloud storage It would be interesting to see how um Say say someone's wife has access to this app And she's unhappy in the relationship and she wants to file for divorce Could she use that as evidence I don't know Or like can you imagine like you know all the wives and girlfriends getting together and comparing Comparing notes You know they would I know They totally would I know Oh man That is like some not cool stuff right there Well I guess it depends how your life is like this Yeah it depends Well for me that would be some not cool stuff right there Straight up I've actually got one more one more topic that's sort of just a line It's like it's a Linus Media Group topic It's not actual news But we're working on something that I think is pretty cool I've finally I get to talk to YouTube which is kind of neat Yeah For years I didn't actually have much interaction with my Google overlords But we've 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