 Okay, I believe we're live welcome to the WAN show you got am I streaming on the right one yes I hope so so I know I know we are about as late as we've ever been and I did promise That the new streaming equipment Video capture equipment would help significantly with that, but there is also a reason Why we haven't done our official like the WAN show set was updated video yet And that is because we haven't really done anything about our audio situation yet We definitely need some kind of piece of dedicated Mixer hardware that will definitely happen at some point, but basically in a nutshell I was super loud Luke was super quiet He's Skyping in from Twitch con right now the little like volume thing in the corner you know the bling bling thing was crazy quiet the Playing back videos that we recorded from last week were crazy loud and then playing back videos we were test recording just now was like normal and then Apparently it's all normal and we spent a bunch of time diagnosing something that wasn't a problem other than that our system audio is Infected by gremlins on the streaming computer which shouldn't surprise anybody Yeah, you surprised Luke. Oh It's so funny. I look towards my webcam in your picture, but actually I should be looking over here. Hi Luke Hello Thank you oh, oh yes, I was working on my PlayStation 4 My like my PlayStation 4 water-cooled project that is hardly my project at this point because jake did most of the work but basically my intro involves a rant about the PlayStation 4 Pro and How like if I had to upgrade my PlayStation 4 and spend $400 every three years? to get better graphics Well, that's starting to sound an awful lot like being a PC gamer isn't it anyway the rant involves a lot of work Anyway, the rant involves Doritos and Mountain Dew and this hat and anger so it should be pretty good should be pretty good Also, I saw some of the twitch chat saying Linus you should be spending time with your baby instead of being on a land show And I would love to accept that my baby is still safely tucked away in mama's uterus, so There will be no spending time with that particular baby other than like kind of kind of poking it through her stomach which Doesn't really doesn't really appeal to her nor does it really appeal to me. I gotta confess I Am not that into the whole unborn babies thing like You know the whole unborn or born babies thing yeah one step further I mean the thing though is like people are like all it's magic It's it's it's it's just as magical as an iPhone And I'm just kind of like you know what it I cannot get the scene from alien out of my head You know tweet on a baby belly. I don't think so Tweet on a baby belly yeah, okay. Oh, sorry. I'll go back to the iPhone comparison sure But like some people get all like oh, it's the magic of like they want to put their hands on and like oh the baby's kicking And the other night. I was like mostly asleep, and I had my arm over my wife because we're adults I'm allowed to do that and The baby kicked so hard through her stomach that I jolted awake Flipped out. I'm like ah and I woke her up I Am not a fan Not a fan of baby in the tunnel. Yeah, so so when When baby's out we'll talk and the baby will not respond because they don't speak English yet when they are born and They're therefore not a lot of fun The not that I'm saying people you have to speak English to be fun I'm just saying being able to communicate at all is super helpful. It's like you can just say I'm hungry instead of Yeah, oh my god. I got so limited sleep last night That because of one of those situations, I'm not gonna add way too many details, but Bird in way too much time Yeah, just Reinforcing why I don't want one Fair enough man alright. We should roll the intro speaking of things that I do want an intro. Yeah, I do want an intro Let's do that You You you All right ladies and Ladies and gentlemen, so why don't we get things started with our first big topic of the day The Galaxy Note 7 this was originally posted by daring on the forum the original article here is from tech time Tech time tech times the tech times all right line. It's a screen share. Oh look at that. He's still there That's right. That's what I spent 45 minutes setting up today At least that's my that's my story, and I'm sticking to it so Galaxy Note 7 Replacements they might not explode, but they might overheat and drain the battery while charging Samsung just cannot catch a break here can they I? I would assume because the Losing charge while it's charging Thing it was losing 1% of power every second first of all that seems a little insane second of all he's probably not using a first-party charger not that that even like matters should matter, but he could be using like a 0.5 amp charger right something that's not made for charging notes Still losing 1% of power every second while charging that's still like something's wrong although This was one user who was reporting this I think he might be exaggerating a little bit because that's 100% to dead in under two minutes So Samsung said this problem is completely unrelated to batteries They haven't stated if the problem is present in units replaced in other countries aside from South Korea so so far everyone who's encountered the issue has been in South Korea and The good news is there are no reports of devices catching fire at least yes So that is a small victory a very small inconsequential victory On a in other news it really doesn't get much better for Samsung here Are you posting links in the chat by the way when I do that okay? So the next one here is from a hardware dot slash dot dot org or money or dot CNN I'll go with slash dot wow slash dot. That's like a blast from the past I remember slash dot from like 10 years ago apparently it still exists so there's that Ah Samsung may have a new problem on their hands after the US warns Samsung washing machine owners after explosion reports There's a picture that goes along with it if you want to show that Oh yeah where is that Post that picture in the chat Alright let me see if I can figure out that picture in the meantime here Yes there we go so the the scariest part of this one is this could affect units all the way from 2011 to 2016 So here's a picture of you know what appears to be a bowed out washing machine It's unclear right now I mean this is not the world's most gorgeous wall in the first place But it's unclear to me if this hole in it is a result of the washing machine explosion I'm sure it's documented by a Texas woman who claims it exploded during use She's part of a class action lawsuit against the company currently Wow Samsung currently has declined to comment on the litigation at all Which is not super surprising to be completely honest with this type of a claim they would want to do investigations before trying to claim anything So I'm not too surprised that they haven't said anything yet But they have issued a statement that said they're talking to US authorities about how to address safety problems Said in the statement that in rare cases affected units may experience abnormal vibrations that could pose a risk of personal injury or property damage When washing bedding bulky or water resistant items Want wall you know the like fight club thing like like fight club thing I have no idea what you're talking about But I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to be talking about it investigating car accidents and seeing if there's been enough of a certain type per car for it to be worth doing like a recall or whatever Yeah, I wonder if like there's gonna be like fight club too and like pretty early on in the intro it shows him and he's like I investigate phone explosions and pushing machine explosions to see if it's worth doing a recall Oh, someone's got a someone's got a parody at least at some point. That would be so awesome. At some point it's bound to happen I mean all Samsung needs is one more to reach that magic three number because one's a fluke two is sketchy and three is a trend So I mean the problem is that Samsung makes pretty much everything so all we need is for like a printer to explode Although they were if you're from Korea like anything. Oh, that's right. Yeah, they make like everything there If I remember correctly there's like Samsung toilets and like Samsung whatever the heck you want We almost put a Samsung air conditioner on the roof of the building actually. Oh our air conditioning for the server room just went in Oh cool. So there you go. So that's a thing. Is that loud now? Well, it'll be just as loud until such time as I do something about the the air vents that are in the door for the old ambient air cooling system But at that at that time. Yes, it could potentially be less loud. So they're sketchy. There's a UK advertising agency named ASSA. Wow. That is investigating Hello Games, which is the No Man's Sky guys over false advertising Mainly things like having screenshots and I believe videos. Yeah screenshots and videos that depict large scale combat and ship flying behaviors That didn't actually make it into the game and I think they could go a little bit farther than that Those are probably just they're like cemented. This is very easy to target kind of stuff because there was also a large amount of other claims That didn't end up being true at all. So yeah, I kind of have a feeling that Hello Games is going to lose this And I also have a feeling that the entire Internet will be okay with that. This could have a huge impact on the way that games marketing is done in the future. I mean, it is not unusual It is not unusual to end up with a situation where a game developer shows off a trailer or you know some kind of a concept star citizen And the finished game though, I can't really judge star citizen as they haven't finished the game yet And the finished game ends up not having those features or those levels or whatever the case may be And seeing in World of Warcraft Right and while this one you know looks pretty open and shut because it's fairly egregious that this you know large scale combat That the screenshots and videos on the page depict is not in the game I think it would be harder to go after a situation like Watch Dogs where it is a graphical difference Because while you and I and probably everyone in the audience can very easily see the difference between the E3 Demonstrations and where we actually were delivered in the end I think it's going to be harder to argue in court because I would assume that the judge and jury wouldn't fully understand what's actually going on Whereas if you go look there were big ships and they would go pew pew and now there isn't big ships that go pew pew I think that's a more straightforward case I mean some of the complaints about No Man's Sky are also regarding misrepresentation of the graphical quality in the game Right which is great but I think the main ones are the functionality things and hopefully they'll also hit them with other things as well So the complaints target Steam but the ASA said that the ruling would apply to any other advertising for the game So that could be YouTube videos and or the games listed on the PlayStation Store This could be very interesting I mean as it is game developers keep things pretty under wraps while a title is in development But this could drive them to be even more careful I mean could this potentially apply to something like a demo shown at PAX Like if I played Wolf Among Us is a game that is one of the few games that I've ever demoed at PAX Just because usually the line up at places like PAX is such that I'm just kind of like you know what I can either wait six months for the game to come out or I can wait six months in this line up And at the end of one of those six month periods I will get a demo and at the end of the other one I will get the entire game So I think they'll have a better time getting away with that because that could be I think you could pretty easily put a sign Somewhere on your booth and say like game is subject to change or some crap like that but when it's on your store page Yeah okay well that I'll go ahead is that the screenshots and the videos of the stuff that they are trying to directly sell Right Then how does that apply to like early access stuff I don't know and another complicated thing here too is like so going back to the PAX game demos Let's say for example that the difference okay because we've seen this before in movies right where the trailer will actually contain a scene that ended up getting cut Right yeah That's a thing but there's a difference between a cut scene Oh no There's a difference between a cut scene and completely pulling core functionality out of the game So if you're going to go okay yeah our game is gratuitous space battles and your trailer has the like a cut scene and then it has like Two like legions of ships blasting each other and you know some cinematic is gone from the completed game Versus like you can only fly two on two Those are very different things so in something like a PAX demo if they were to say okay yeah our game is like a top down you know platformer And then someone sees that that is marketing so if someone sees that tries that game and it turns out to be a racing like a mobile racing game or something like that Then I guess it becomes a gray area and a question of just how misleading it was What happens to if that communication comes through game journalists Like say say someone goes to a show and it's not an interview and they play the game and they describe their experience and everything that they describe in their experience That could be seen as a form of marketing and then if that's not actually how it ends up going Hard to say because unless they pay the games journalists and the games journalists opinions are their own Then that's not officially right okay yeah but what if It's still kind of an interesting area because if you're going like this game has battles in it that have 400 ships versus 400 ships That's stated as a fact that's not like this game has battles with a lot of ships and then the game journalists version of a lot is four I don't know that's true I mean I really want to see how this plays out another thing I want to see how it plays out is twitch news Twitch announces twitch prime I think we've already seen how this played out actually There is an insane amount of subs randomly on the Linus Tech channel And like this whole stream I've been watching twitch chat and everyone's probably you'll see like has just subscribed with twitch prime So what twitch prime is to kind of help people out a little bit is Amazon prime now has a component under it called twitch prime That doesn't cost any amount more money you get it when you have Amazon prime It gives you one subscribe per month to a channel I believe you can like move it around but you only have one So you'd be able to switch it once a month I believe you get some extra prizes I think they said swag in Hearthstone and Smite Although I'm not sure what that swag exactly is I think they were talking about getting certain games on launch And then discounts on physical copies of games from Amazon Now I checked that out and literally every single game that I was able to find that was discounted because of being a prime member Was discounted by three to ten cents Whoa! Alright rock on! Hopefully that changes or something No no no no no I could get it shipped for free Yeah There you go you also get a badge which is like a little blue crown You can see a bunch of people in the chat right now have little blue crowns I guess the YouTube VOD won't be able to see that but I just described it so Oh well hold on hold on I got this I got this I got this I got this line us the screen there blue crowns blue crowns okay there Gigantic blue crowns enjoy So let me give me one sec oh come on now do the thing I'm trying to pick up like the official list of parts just to make sure I didn't miss anything But I think that's basically it it's it's gonna be interesting because this is part of the Amazon takeover right Yeah So if you're giving everyone that already had a prime account a free subscribe which is giving partners more money We've already seen with this channel like last week there was almost no subscribers This week there is a large number of subscribers I just there's literally two people just did it in chat right now I don't know how to check Sorry You're like partner panel and stuff so if you go to your I think it's your dashboard and then you go to partnership I'm the world's worst twitch streamer I legitimately have no idea how the site works Let's see if I can figure it out for you He's like okay no no go ahead go ahead keep explaining how we have more twitch subscribers and how that's good or something Anyways it's exploded for us and I'm sure while the change in growth might not be as big for other people Because our we might have more people watching here that don't normally watch twitch Because we're not average content that is on twitch and this is like We're way above average And we basically just got subscriptions as well so people didn't necessarily know that you could even subscribe to us So we're in like kind of a special spot but everyone's going to see growth and a lot of the growth could even be like Some dude's girlfriend has an Amazon prime account and he's like hey mind if I link my twitch so I can get a free sub Or dude's mom or girl's mom links her Amazon account to the kids twitch so they can get a free sub I'm still confused as to how the whole Amazon prime thing is not just an enormous cash sink As far as I can tell it is Okay so let's like break it down right from top to bottom Amazon will pay me to tell you about prime if you sign up Then they will give you free shipping on everything which as far as I can tell if you buy like Because okay because the benefit of prime initially was supposed to be that it encouraged repeat shopping right Because you wouldn't have to think about shipping costs when you were shopping on Amazon Okay so if you buy like one thing a month there goes the entire prime membership for the month Probably unless it's something very small okay so there's that plus there's video streaming So Amazon prime costs more than a Netflix account unless your Netflix is 4k I think then I think they're pretty similar I can't remember how much prime costs to be perfectly honest with you But anyway so they have Amazon prime video so there's all the licensing costs associated with something like a Netflix service Maybe not all of them actually had don't I have two prime accounts I have one Canada and one US I have never looked at Amazon prime video maybe I should do that Anyway so there's a licensing costs associated with that there's the cloud storage they give you You can store an unlimited number of photos using prime so so far what is what is prime cost again $79.99 for the year Canadian it's $79 flat sorry and that's a 13 month membership Okay so it's probably about 59 bucks American okay so it's 11 bucks a month apparently on amazon.com Okay okay 11 bucks a month so out of $11 a month so far we have spent all of it times lots And then at the end of all that they're going okay you can subscribe to a twitch channel for free which is five bucks And we will give some of that money to the twitch channel sorry so once again oh oh oh Luke had a bad burrito Bad burrito he's running to the bathroom folks oh that's the bad someone's already in there oh no there's been a negotiation There's been a negotiation he has been negotiated back back to his chair Um he's gonna go need ice someone need ice he's gonna go to the bathroom on his chair No no I'm good I'm good could you hear me the whole time yeah oh okay she could too Oh okay well that's awkward he's taking a drink I don't know I am at twitch con Um what I was doing here has changed a fair amount but so I'm streaming from a hotel room And that was someone else's room service we ended up in my room somehow Yeah so the plan actually this is great because it brings us right into our sponsor spots for the day The plan was for Luke to be streaming from the Razor booth Yeah Check out the Razor broadcasting suite below and the talking points for Razor there's actually a bunch of stuff that they're showing off That's well that they were going to be showing off in their booth at twitch con when they arranged to sponsor us To be down there covering twitch con and streaming from their booth So the stargazer the tiny webcam that clips onto your laptop or monitor and does everything a green screen setup does for background removal and more So it actually features Intel's real sense technology so that's the depth sensing whole camera thing So it can cut out things that are far away as opposed to things that are a different color which is pretty darn cool As well as the Siren Pro the mic that any streamer should look at first XLR input helps aspiring streamers take their audio to a professional level You're using that right? I am actually using the Siren Pro right now the thing that I like about the Siren Pro actually is not necessarily that See I'm not using the XLR though I probably will at some point Probably should at some point The thing I like about it is it's one of the few mics I found that just kind of works out of the box like you just set the thing And then it doesn't peak which is nice That's really all I ask for that's all I'm asking for it doesn't seem that complicated But we've tried like six different mics on the wine show Yeah and then they're also featuring the Ripsaw the world's first USB 3 capture card I actually don't know that it is the world's first USB 3 capture card Okay I know why you said that I said the exact same thing because of the thing that I'm using right now And it's we're wrong Oh are we? The Ripsaw came out first by like a few months Oh It was close How about that then? Yeah Okay no delay when recording and it comes out with just about every cable you need for PC and console streaming out of the box So shows you what I know and you can check these products out at the link in the video description Which will be there when you are watching this on YouTube or another possibility and I'm gonna go ahead and paste all these links into Twitch chat for you guys Or another possibility for those links would be to see them on the Twitch VOD And Twitch now has the capability this is the last part sort of big part of the whole upgrade announcement thing that they've been doing Twitch now has the capability for you to just upload VODs straight up So you don't actually have to stream to Twitch in order to have your video appear on Twitch And this is a weird reversal for them isn't it? First they don't want you to leave your Twitch VODs on Twitch Now they want you to just upload videos to Twitch Yeah they've totally changed although that probably came with like Amazon just being like Servers Raaar Yes that's what Amazon that's what Jeff Bezos sounds like we're gonna have him on the show He's gonna sound just like that We're gonna be like hi Jeff welcome to the show he's gonna be like Amazon! We have servers! And we're gonna be like wow that's great Jeff thanks for coming on The fire phone wasn't very good but it wasn't my fault Two things that's interesting about this to me is one I think the amount of people spamming pre-recorded question mark is gonna be way too insane on our stream I know And two my like main problem with my stream Just ban the word Is my consistency because I go on like work trips and stuff Yeah So I could legitimately pre-record them and then just have them play Whaaat? One interesting thing is if they're just gonna show up in your past broadcasts when you upload a VOD Or if it will like if you could like schedule one to play on your channel through Twitch I don't know how any of this works yet Because if it just shows up in your past broadcasts I don't think it's gonna be super successful Because that's unless they change like how people look at things on Twitch Because right now going to someone's past broadcasts is very manual Yeah and it's tedious and they're usually not titled correctly because Twitch streamers are irresponsible And yeah it's just horrible So if they could have it so that like you upload it It goes into your past broadcasts and then there's like a settings thing somewhere Where it can be like play this file at this time And that could be kind of interesting for people that legitimately just replay stuff Like there's certain gaming tournament channels that will replay their tournaments While various tournaments aren't live So you can go watch them at different time frames And yes it is pre-recorded but it's kind of like going and watching TV Yeah it's kind of like watching like a match replay like you would on Sorry TV yes And would make it so that those guys don't have to have computers that are just set up constantly just playing like Video files and streaming video files all day So that could be kind of cool but I have no idea if it's going to work that way I'm sorry go ahead I said I have no idea if it's going to work that way I just hope it does I'm sorry for contributing nothing to that last exchange and just repeating what you said I felt bad I've got some serious conspiracy theory nonsense going on here We've got people saying that you are pre-recorded and that I am not And that I am actually live That would be extremely impressive on you Yeah that would be amazing If that's even true I would just give it to you at that point Yeah right Oh Noctua21 is saying we should ask NerdFusion about playlists I actually I should probably talk to Sevitus over there and see what he thinks I'm hanging out with him probably tomorrow and Sunday so I'm sure we'll talk about that Cool tell him I think he's nice Sure we'll do Or that I hate him it doesn't really matter Although Anki gave me I can talk to him myself Sorry Anki what? Anki gave me MakerFair tickets Wow nice So my plan to hang out at TwitchCon is maybe changing a little bit Dun dun dun Alright this was originally posted on the forum by Master Disaster And I think that pretty much says it right there The BBC reports I got this post in the chat here The BBC reports that Blackberry will stop designing its own phones How long ago did we say they should do this? How long ago did everyone say they should do this? I mean we weren't the only ones for the last few years saying That's fair Why don't you just be a software company? Why don't you just do an Android branch or something And become a security software specialist So it looks like they are finally going that route I have apparently lost the tab But in a nutshell So John Chen, their CEO said that he would know by September whether the hardware business would become profitable for Blackberry It is now September and apparently it did not So they are outsourcing hardware development to partners Chen has stated that further devices, even ones with the iconic physical keyboard, would go on sale I always wanted to make sure that we keep having iconic devices he said We just need to find a way to be more efficient and be able to make money I think we found the model So the company sold 400,000 smartphones in its second quarter Which is less than the previous three months Yeah You didn't find the model Stop selling phones I mean like it's a step in the right direction But they need to just get off the platform and just start making only software I don't understand how they keep doing this I was actually reading a couple other articles about this that aren't the linked ones here And that the notes apparently weren't pulled from But basically they've already got a couple of hardware partners They've worked with, I believe it was, Foxconn And I want to say, shoot it was some other Chinese phone maker Can't remember exactly But, oh OK, TCL I think is the, TCL is the other one So here we go This one right here, so the first touchscreen on the Android device, the DTEK50 That was released in July 2016 So to reduce costs this was based on a phone manufactured by TCL So the idea is they're going to leverage those partnerships They're going to kind of blackberry brand existing hardware Which quite frankly I don't think is inherently the worst thing ever And then they're going to be putting their own kind of spin on Android In order to, I guess, make it more secure or whatever This is something I can't really figure out why Google hasn't tackled Like why do we need Samsung's Knox in order to optimize Android for better security Well, OK, whatever OK, I guess that's a conversation for another day But there you go Would you consider, OK, here, Luke You were the last one to review a Blackberry device on our channel The Z10 I think it was Yeah, it was a while ago, but yeah OK, so your takeaway from that, if I recall correctly Feel free to kind of jump in and interrupt me here But your takeaway from that, if I recall Was basically there were some things about it that were really good Including text messaging It was responsive, it was pretty smooth to use But not having apps is basically the end of the world Yes OK, now there were even back then There were ways to ghetto side load Android apps But it was not great But it was not great, in fact it was super dumb So would you consider a Blackberry phone If they have a mostly stock Android looking skin And other than that, it's just a phone phone And with Blackberry security optimizations Like my most important metrics right now for phones, personally Are water resistance levels and battery life Which is like why the iPhone 7 looked kind of cool And then all of a sudden it was like, no headphone jack And I was like, alright, probably not going to do that So it would have to depend on how well they did in those categories Right One thing that I really, really did like was the Blackberry Hub So for an efficiency standpoint, it might actually win The Blackberry Hub was a wonderful system I liked it a lot more than just standard notifications Because you could just see everything in one category It made it very efficient to skim through things It's like Google inbox or whatever that was called That we all got kind of excited for for a little while And then the entire thing we forgot about But like better and for everything Instead of just your email, which was super cool But like I'll wait and see until they come out If they have good water resistance and good battery I would legitimately consider it Yeah, I actually, on the subject of the iPhone 7 I was talking to one of my badminton buddies who got an iPhone 7 And I was like, so how's it not having a headphone jack there? And he's just like, oh, I actually haven't really noticed I only use my Jaybirds And I was just like, wow, okay I'm officially no longer mainstream I'm officially like an old fuddy duddy For actually carrying around wired earphones at all times I have to say though, like their wireless ear pods look incredibly stupid And I'm not even like, I'm not really a fashion dude or whatever But they just look so dumb There are wireless headphone solutions that don't look incredibly stupid But theirs are brutal And considering Apple often gets described as like a technology jewelry company Where like what you're buying is a fashion statement Lifestyle Yeah, that's kind of brutal Because they're ugly as sin So I don't know If people start adopting third party headphone options That are Bluetooth I see it being a little bit more popular But regardless of the power of Apple to make something trendy I think those headphones are just fundamentally ugly And I don't think they're going to be able to get over that We'll see, I mean We will see, but yeah You know, white wires on your earphones that look grungy and yellow in two weeks Became a status symbol So It's true There you go I don't know man But at least they looked cool at the start Oh, ouch Okay I don't know, for me I'll either have to buy a charging and headphone adapter If I were to want to use the iPhone 7 Or I would be just unable to use it Because I So my earphones, I wear them while I sleep I always listen to music or podcasts or shows while I'm sleeping Because it helps me fall asleep Like it used to take me sometimes an hour, two hours to fall asleep at night I had horrible insomnia to the point where I was like taking sleeping pills sometimes Just because I'd be like, I really need to be awake in the morning So I will take this sleeping pill now Because otherwise I will not sleep And this completely fixed it for me The best one is I'll watch a show Like I'll listen to, because I'm not watching it But I'll listen to a TV show Like an episode that I've heard 20 times And that's like, it's boring And it puts me to sleep, it's great So yeah, problem solved All I have to do is wear earphones when I sleep I can't charge my phone and listen to these at the same time If he doesn't have a headphone jack So there you go Everyone's giving me advice in Twitch chat I'm not asking for advice, I have fixed the problem He's been doing this for years and it works very well for him I think he's doing it It's great, anywhere from like 5 to 18 minutes No, no man, seriously, just get medical tape and tape over your ears So that the headphones can bluetooth in and they won't fall out while you sleep No man, you're doing it wrong Brilliant, got to get on that medical tape game Wow, the entire Twitch chat is just like Oh, Francisco Elra is officially fired from watching the show I listen to this show because it's boring That's a little sad, but it's also kind of funny So are we, I mean, okay, this demands a straw poll Oh god This demands a straw poll, okay Are we your sleep aid? How do you feel knowing that you might help people fall asleep at night? I mean, I guess that's a useful public service, but like, come on Are we your comfy pillow? That is really not what I was going for here So far 100% of the vote, okay, there we go, there we go It's getting a little better Oh, oh, oh, oh, come on Come on What? 54% yes Guys, fight the 54%, okay? I would vote yes Luke, come on I would vote yes What's wrong with you? Hey, the ways I help you sleep we don't talk about on this show We only allude to them Right, yeah And I can't do it from here, buddy Well, I mean, I mean, tell it to the kids Oh, oh, we've got over a thousand votes I mean, that is like, that's significant enough that It could be considered the definition of significant I'm sad now Okay, well, at least this answers a question that you and I have posed to each other a handful of times Why do people watch The WAN Show? And now we know Yeah Because they're tired Yeah And it's time to go to bed That makes sense, so maybe like our time zoning thing was wrong We should actually be going for nighttime instead of like midday I had no way of knowing, bro Yeah I had no way of knowing, okay? Now we know All right, hard drives are on the ropes Maybe, okay, there we go Conspiracy theory, that's why we're late every time Because we're trying to be later You're waiting for The WAN Show, you start kind of dozing off a little bit That's right You're like, okay, good, you press the button and then you just fade off That's right Everything's fine You drift to sleep, everything's good, and then you never wake up Unless you feel refreshed Yeah Yeah, okay, so this was posted by It's Me on the forum SSDs are steadily displacing hard drives in more applications But NVMe, this is interesting This is from Tom's Hardware NVMe shaping up to be the dark horse That may put the venerable hard disk drive to rest So this is based on Samsung predicting a collision course For SSD pricing and hard drive pricing Dun, dun, dun Look at that I actually think that will mean hard drives will be done Because Well, in the enterprise, sure Sorry? In like enterprise, like cloud storage, sure Yeah, at the home, they'll probably die off quite a bit faster But like being able to put critical stuff on a hard drive that you can recover if it fails Kind of nice Storing things on a variety of different mediums is a good thing I don't know I don't know, I see hard drives becoming Okay, so here's the things to look at So number one Have we reached the limit of what people actually need to store? Like yes, people take lots of photos and they take lots of videos on their phones And that's one of the things that hard drive makers have loved talking about At conferences or in presentations Conference calls Where they'll kind of be like Yeah, the data storage needs of the world is going like this But the reality of it is that Cloud storage pricing is such that If people wanted to store their data somewhere where they theoretically Don't have to worry about it getting lost or being vulnerable to a failed device Cloud storage for the amount that most people have, like a couple terabytes Is pretty reasonable Yeah, yeah So have we gotten, have we reached that threshold where SSDs are starting to hit that 1 to 2 terabyte capacity Where they hold pretty much everything you could need Unless you have a gigantic steam library and you don't have You have dial up internet so you need to preload everything So that you'd never have to download it or whatever So we're talking edge cases Where most people can hold everything they could need On their phone or their computer or backed up in the cloud Especially looking at the way that, okay Google for example Gives you unlimited photo storage through photos If you allow them to compress the image What else do people store? You stream all your music Sorry, go ahead, go ahead, I'm done This ties into to, when did I bring this up? Like last week? Like when are people not going to have SATA cables anymore? Yeah, yep So like this might, I still think that's a little ways out But this might kind of advance that up even a little bit more It's going to be really interesting seeing computers that don't need space to put drives Yep And then I think at that point everything is either backed up in the cloud Or you'll have the enthusiasts who are, the guys like me That have an unraid box in their closet or something Because they want to be able to transcode video on the fly And they want to be able to do this They want to store uncompressed blu-ray rips on a network machine So that they can play it back on any screen in the house Like there's going to be enthusiasts And I think for guys like that The hard drive is by no means dead for me Not even close But I'm also at the point where One of the videos that I have coming soon Is the most cost effective 100 terabyte server And what I learned when I was working on that video Is that with Seagate's archive drives Which sit at around 3 cents a gigabyte Or something like that, like just obscenely low cost With an archive drive I can saturate A typical gigabit home network already So you could do 100 terabytes for I kind of want to pull up my spreadsheet now So I don't give you guys the wrong number But that video is coming soon But Seagate's archive drives are 24-7 rated drives They run at 5900 RPM And you can buy 100 terabytes of hard drive for Cost per gig is 2.9 cents And 100 terabytes for $3000 Okay? I think from an enthusiast standpoint All that number needs to do Is fall down to another half or another third And I think 100 terabytes is reasonably All that most people could need And there will always be the exceptions The people that want to back up the internet Or whatever the case may be The only channel where you'll hear someone say I genuinely think 100 terabytes Is all that anyone's probably going to be needing And obviously, you know, 50 years from now That might not be the case But you look at the trends We are not on the same path that we were before Of, you know, going from 480i Being an acceptable video standard To, you know, now we're at 4K Explosion in data requirements In order to get to a point where the quality is acceptable And now the trend is towards dedicated hardware To handle video compression and video decoding So where the hardware and the devices is so much more powerful That we don't have to have these obscene bit rates In order to get decent image quality And so I'm just kind of looking at it going Yeah, everything could be compressed on the fly Everything could be decoded And could be converted on the fly And I think that is a ton of storage I think it's just huge I have yet to determine if I think 4K Blu-ray is worth it All my 4K Blu-rays and my Xbox One S are here though So I'm going to be trying it out very soon Is that what those Blu-rays that you just ordered are? HDR stuff? Yes Because HDR does genuinely look really good Yes Is that a good conversation though? But that's a different conversation I think Because HDR can also be handled Again, it's not like going from 480i to 1080p HDR can be added without necessarily Okay, so we doubled the capacity of a Blu-ray disc Going from Blu-ray to 4K Blu-ray We managed to quadruple the resolution and add HDR So we added a bunch more contrast and color information And quadrupled the resolution, we doubled the data So we're not on that same trajectory anymore That's kind of the point I'm trying to make Is I think that we're using processing power Which continues to increase and is pretty darn impressive these days Even in tiny little devices To compensate for what we normally would have just added more storage for And that's been partly out of necessity Because storage hasn't really continued to scale in the same way that it has And I think that's why Samsung is making this bold prediction Where they're kind of going, okay SSD upgrades, this is actually amazing 40 million SSDs, they're saying SSD upgrades Sometime in 2012 it looks like Overtook CPU upgrades as the most common upgrade that people make to a computer That makes sense And they're also saying that the SSD doesn't have to reach exactly the same pricing as a hard drive Gig for gig, it just has to reach a point where And we're there now, where 256 gigs for an SSD is about the same as a 1TB hard drive So that entry level capacity versus that entry level capacity They're saying it just has to be good enough And 512 gigs for me is that sweet spot Where I don't really feel like I need an additional storage drive anymore I can still have like the two or three big games that I'm playing right now And I can still have all the data that I need as long as I have a NAS And I think everyone should have a NAS anyway I still don't personally feel like that's enough in my desktop Are you a 1TB guy? I'm a 4 You're a 4TB, what the heck do you have on your computer that takes up 4TB? And I have a 16TB NAS I know about your NAS, that's an important part of my original question too Mine is slightly special in use case though because it's all the games Because I hear you, it doesn't take that long to download them Because my connection isn't that bad But I don't want to sit and download games while I'm streaming Okay So I'd like me to have everything available I think you should just go iSCSI then Because your NAS would support an iSCSI target What if, I don't know, that's pretty slow That NAS is not that fast Alright, fair enough You're good at holding things for a long time It's not really doing much else You know what's funny? I don't normally notice when gaming off of a hard drive Because generally speaking game developers are good at masking those loading times I mean maybe part of it is that it's a heck of a lot better than an optical disc And so many games are designed for optical media still But when I do run into trouble So my home theater PC, the one in my living room Actually just has a small boot SSD Like it's actually kind of an older config at like 128GB boot SSD So I pretty much can't put more than one AAA game on it If I want to have anything else on it Another thing that I'm going to, sorry I'm going to cut in here The amount of people that are not only Not necessarily that it's their job But the amount of people that are even just doing it as a hobby Yada yada yada Twitch streaming, YouTube, all that kind of stuff The amount of people that are just doing it for fun The amount of people that are trying to get into it And the amount of people that are successful at it Is huge to the point where a lot of people that I talk to in my day to day When I tell them what I do, go like, oh yeah I've been kind of like trying that out Or I tried that out at one point in time Storing footage is a nightmare Computing stuff is a nightmare And like Twitch streamers, I know a not that insignificant number of them That actually archive all of their footage Which is kind of crazy I still think that's a niche case But I don't remember what I was saying Hard drive, yeah, but there's a lot of people that are dabbling in things like YouTube right now Right, yep, that's true, that's true I still think hard drives will hold on But I think it's going to be Instead of the thing that everyone buys for every single computer ever An accessory purchase Yep So either an accessory purchase for a little external drive Or when you're ready to move to the big time I think NAS I think NAS moves in So this is interesting This is one of the challenges for hard drive Is that there's roughly a $40 price floor Hard drives have never been under, you know, like $39.99 Not unless it's a lost leader or something along those lines Whereas, and this is something that Samsung's saying SSDs can scale well below $40 In much smaller quantities Because the hard drive, no matter what No matter how cheaply you can make them You still need a casing, motors, heads You need the actual platters themselves So the platters and the complexity of the motors And how many heads you need and how many platters are in it All that increases in cost as you scale up But you can only go down to one platter And that costs how much it costs There's pretty much nothing we can do about it And it's not really going to get any better So Samsung also figures that SSDs have displaced hard drives in 40% of new notebooks And they predicted to reach 55% in 2018 And I totally get it And I personally definitely prefer SSDs Back to my story I don't mind gaming off of a hard drive in general And I forget a lot of the time that my media PC has a 2TB hard drive to go along with that small SSD But the other day I was trying to install a game by copying the files over the network While trying to play a game And I loaded my game It's like Lego Batman or something Like not the world's most demanding game And the game sat there at the loading screen The entire time that those files were copying And then as soon as they were done, boom, game loaded Just like... Yeah, that's brutal Terrible I can't even basically comprehend using a hard drive based computer as my daily driver now Anytime I use someones that set up that way, I'm like, man You can make your life so much better with a little bit of an upgrade here And then I point them to my hard drive SSD configuration video thing Even if you buy a really small one, like a 128GB or something You can still live and it will still be far better And 128GB SSDs are pretty cheap these days Alright, so TechRax has convinced people The video has 10.3 million views And apparently I just opened it in another browser window I'm trying to... no, I mean it's iPhone 7, so it can't be that old So 10 days ago, TechRax has convinced people to add headphone jacks to their iPhone 7s I haven't actually talked to them about this yet, but I think it's pretty funny As with every iPhone hoax, every time this happens And it's like, make your iPhone waterproof with these easy steps Hit it with a hammer! Just terrible ideas Tightening the handset in the metal vice, the screen starts to flicker He promises his viewers this is normal He just drills a hole kind of randomly He doesn't even pretend, he's not even pulling a... Oh shoot, my... yeah, Theo Joe He's not even pulling a Theo Joe here Where he's like trying to look like there's some kind of science and methodology behind it He just pulls out a drill, drills a hole in the bottom and goes, boom, there, now it works I'm amazed he was able to get far enough into the iPhone that he was able to insert a 3.5mm jack while it was still working You know what I noticed, which I thought was kind of hilarious, was like Okay, there's this screen flickering when it's in the vice thing But he addresses that, when he plugs his headphones in, it's still playing audio over the speakers I know What? What? Yeah I don't... I also wonder at the same time, like if... People are just saying they did it to get attention? Yeah, and then that multiplies the views on the video because everyone likes laughing at stupid people Right, yeah, that seems pretty possible Speaking of things that are possible, I would have never imagined this to be possible Tinder for sperm donors Swipe right for a sperm donor The London Sperm Bank is now taking orders for customized dads in the UK They released a Tinder-esque mobile app that lets women filter potential sperm donors Based on traits like ethnicity, occupation, personality type, eye color and more That's cool And search results are labeled with numbers like Donor 1002 instead of names So, without getting into too many details about my family history What I will say Oh wow Is that sperm donors can lie And some of them might fill out their forms saying that they are, oh I don't know, say for example a doctor And might turn out to be a milk truck driver So I don't know what steps they are going through to prevent fraud in this case But anyway, the app also gives women the option to create wish list alerts for possible surrogate fathers If they already know what they want and aren't interested in browsing It will notify them when their preferred characteristics become available The selected sample will be sent to the fertility specialist where the woman is undergoing treatment Once approximately a $12,000 payment is made through the app And there you go Some critics say, this is great, this is from the QZ.com article Say that there is a difference between narrowing down food delivery options by cuisines And choosing sperm donors by eye color The abundance of choice and narrowness of selection categories they say could exacerbate the eugenic tendencies that already exist at traditional sperm banks Wow So yeah, there you go It's legal What I would hope that it would do is when you swipe right, say, so you're like accepting It then like sends you a more detailed profile Apparently all the donors in the app have to be approved by the British Andrology Society The British Fertilization Society and the Human Fertilization and Embryology Authority to ensure they don't have any infections or genetic conditions So at least there's that going for them How do you define a genetic condition? I don't know, like could stupidity be a genetic condition? Because Even if it runs in your family line Alright, so thanks for tuning into the WAN Show this week Guys, we will see you again next week Same bat time, same bat channel I probably won't be here So Luke, you'll probably be on WAN Show upload duty Do you know how to do it? Uh, yes no I think what I'll do is I will screen record me doing the entire thing tonight Cool And then I will give that to you I think I do but it's way safer if you just do that I'm just gonna do that, I'll put it in the WAN Show folder on the server. Sorry, we'll take this conversation offline Thanks again next week Thanks again next week I'm rolling the intro Same bat time, same bat channel Someone in Twitch chat wants me to say, you're not my real dad!