 And we're live Good evening everybody. I might not actually be evening where you are, but I think you kind of get my point Oh There's already. Oh look at this look at this We've already got a viewer who's who's all about sort of our audio issues and how I should fire slick and Hire him so that or her could be a girl. I heard there's a girl on the internet What's the name? AVO A lot of girls on that internet Tons of them or at least pictures that creepers took of girls on the internet. It's a lot of that So good night every good night. No wait. We're not done. That's more of a we're done thing. It's night here though It's actually very late at night. We had a very long day today We had once again You know what for those of you who complain that it's unprofessional of us to eat on the live stream You know what we're very sorry that we have to do that and trust us It's like we're not that cool with what time like what time did we leave today? this morning like leave 8.45? Yeah, okay, so so we got started around 9 today, and then we actually start up. That's pretty typical on Fridays We shoot MCIX tech tips So then we make it back here for our live stream at 9 o'clock our time And then we go for another hour and a half so you guys do the math and then there's Work afterwards because I have to then watch the live stream I have to then watch the live stream. I spilled food in my lap So do I prefer this system the answer is no because it results in like a 13 14 hour day yeah pretty much and then we get to eat at the like 12 hour point. That's the first time we get to eat Yep busy busy days so The good news is we have a busy busy live stream for you one of the biggest bits of news this week was that Nvidia has Started well not they've started but they are not talking about it at all But the internets are starting to talk about a replacement for the GTX 680 have you seen this have you heard about this? So the rumor the word on the street is it's going to be based on failed Tesla cores So Tesla's used for what's that a supercomputer that deployed like a bajillion Tesla's Yeah, I can't remember the name of it, but Tesla's used for supercomputing. It's used for things like cloud gaming So if you're not familiar with cloud gaming that's uh you know what I'll let you talk about cloud gaming while I try to take Like three bites here. I'm not a fan of cloud gaming, but the idea is that it's all rendered and everything's pre-processed in the cloud And then streamed down to your computer. Okay, so tell me this about cloud gaming Based on oh great you weren't there for project shield Okay, of course you have to troll me again. No I had forgotten Because I was I was pretty down on cloud gaming to start with like I was like oh yeah This isn't gonna work. Bye bye, but based on what I saw from project shield it Could work is that not local streaming though. Yes, it's local stream, but it's local streaming over wireless Which can't be that much better than remote streaming over copper Or better yet fiber yeah, so when fiber hits cloud gaming is gonna make your gaming computer totally irrelevant forever It will never matter ever again No, I'll play legacy games. You'll play legacy games. Yep. You know what's funny is I actually have parts in my attic that are I have a yeah my My wife doesn't know about Because she told me when we moved here She told me to throw out all of the unnecessary tech crap that I have and I was like oh yeah, yeah It's all gone. It's all gone. Don't worry about it Yeah, there's a there's a box hiding in the attic of Enough legacy parts. I think I have a p2 233 some Edio RAM Or it might be might have been SD RAM by that time might be SD RAM I've got an old old ID like ATA 33 hard drive Like an aw 64 sound card I saw I saw aw 64 sound card and my intention at some point is to find like a balling case and And then just like I've got an AT power supply to go with it And then I'm gonna try like Frankenstein it into this balling awesome looking machine So I can have a dedicated box just to play TIE fighter So I've got my old Thrustmaster Top Gun joystick. I saw that too. Serial serial joystick Epic there's one guy on the forums. You got to check out his build log. He did I don't remember all your specs if you're watching I'm sorry, but the thing that stood out the most was he got Voodoo SLI running I Told you about this. I think mm-hmm. Yeah, and that's just so awesome So wasn't he like even running like old benchmarks? Yeah, he was running old benchmarks and trying to prove his platform and like showing off him playing games and like really really cool Really cool build log he's talking about how he'd like buy stuff and people would just send like like he said his two processors Just came like taped together two processors. Yeah So it's like a dual CPU what like oh, it's like super super uber high-end Yeah, I think it might be pin I actually acquired back before Before dual cores were affordable. I had the I acquired two Pentium 3 1 gigahertz And I think I got something like a gig and a half of RAM or something for it I when I upgraded my my in-laws machine a number of years ago like this was this must have been like six years ago because And you know what it actually kind of rocked running a modern OS like Windows XP with dual processors even though they were underpowered for something like an office machine is Way better than a single core one of my way better prized possessions within my like The like room in your house where you put all your tech crap one of my most prized possessions in there Which I have like wrapped up like crazy in an anti-static bag so that I hope it won't die is a 1 gig dim of DDR one Seriously, yeah That's freaking awesome. Those were expensive. Those were like crazy. I don't know where I got it from I didn't buy it like I probably got out of some system that a friend was like, oh you can just have this I'm buying a new one. I know you Do computer crap and they probably just bought a new system from Best Buy and like gave me their old crappy one Crappy quote-unquote because I had a 1 gig DDR one dim in it But yeah I harvested that and just hold on to it with dear life And every single time that I need to make like an old-school system for whatever reason I just throw it in to be like, yeah Now there's no RAM problems instantly. I Can stack it with like however many other sticks I want? It's still usually more than half of the RAM in the whole system. It's just so epic. That's awesome I don't know if I have any I don't know if I have any old Okay, probably my Thrustmaster Top Gun. So that joystick is is like legendary for me other than that You know, I wish I wish I still had my monitor my CRT monitor So for those of you who knew CRT monitors, I had a p95 f plus B from Viewsonic which was aperture grill So it wasn't using that Whatever it was shadow mask. I think was the other competing technology So aperture grill was one of those things where you know, there was a lot of debate on the forums Should I get an aperture grill monitor? Should I not because the aperture grill causes two faint lines at about the top third of the screen in the bottom third of the screen that Allow the picture to be much more square and much more clear for the flat screen But actually cause those lines to be visible to you. So people are like Whoa, I couldn't get used to it or people like oh, I didn't even see it after two three days So I took the plunge. I got myself an aperture grill monitor. I Loved that monitor one of my siblings took a quarter to it Oh To the anti-glare coating in the middle. There was nothing wrong with the monitor So I got a replacement from Viewsonic. It was terrible. It was like a refurbished This was when CRTs were not even really in production anymore They got me the replacement when I was just like this is unusable So I pondered off for cheap and and that was the end of my p95 f plus B And that was when I made the switch very begrudgingly to LCD and I moved to an Acer 1916w that 1440 by 900 was it? I don't remember. I don't remember it was like it was like Whatever the resolution was it was like super low res and I was just like oh It's widescreen. It's really small and I don't have a lot of desktop room like slow clap myself So I blew like six seven hundred dollars on a 2405 FPW and then that's the one that is still running on my wife's computer It's starting to die though. Is it? Yeah, I'm super sad I haven't noticed I haven't spent like any time on it, but I haven't noticed. The edges are yellowing Yeah, well it's cathode backlit. So guys for those of you who don't know an LED screen is not a thing Okay, I'm gonna let that sink in for a minute. That's why it's LCD LED. Yeah, but people don't know I know I know. People are like oh I want an LED monitor an LED monitor would be like a light board like one of those billboards That's an LED monitor. Trust me. You don't want one of those or an OLED monitor would could technically Yeah, yeah, cuz that's an organic light even so that would technically be an LED monitor and that would be balling But we can't buy those yet. No or we can but Yeah, we have to be like a Sultan of like Malaysia or something and then we can mount our OLED monitors in all of our cars. They can go clear, right? Oh, there was one on display at CES that was transparent. Yeah, it is your windshield. Yeah, that would be illegal I'm sure in any country and why why what do you mean? Why because you could overlay like your speed and everything or you could overlay a television show What if you could like software mod it so that it forces to not show things on certain parts of the screen? So, of course, yeah, okay I was gonna say if someone handed you a car that had a software limited screen in the windshield What's the first thing you would do? I'm not gonna go into that topic, but that would be really cool Yeah, I want a screen right so LED screens and LCD screens are not different things so an LCD is a liquid crystal display It's a panel. Okay, so it's thin then it just goes at the front and then CCFL or Fluorescent those are the same thing. Okay, so fluorescent lights go behind it and shine through the LCD panel or You can have an array of LED lights that shine through the LCD panel. So that's the difference So anyway, it's an older fluorescent LCD monitor and what happens to them is you can actually replace the cathodes I don't know if you knew that but you can replace the cathodes, but it's probably not worth it at this point Actually, maybe it's probably really expensive 24 inch VA panel though was a very well regarded monitor at the time Do you think there might just be like stock hanging around? I don't know. I don't know if I'd be able to get to get fluorescent tubes for it. That would be a fun video actually But they're so cheap now You can get an LCD you can get an LED backlit LCD for like nothing now and the advantage of LED is that they don't fade Over time they don't yellow over time and they last for a really long time Which brings us gracefully back to Tesla and in videos? upcoming replacement g-force card so Tesla is used for compute Applications for cloud gaming and they want to take failed Tesla course, which doesn't mean failed So it's binning process. Yes, the binning process is the key here So you can have a Tesla spec that goes whatever gigahertz whatever memory bus whatever Okay, so that's the only thing most people think about is what speed does it run at? No, there's way more than that because for applications like compute where they're installing these in blades They are gonna have very strict power and heat guidelines So there could be a chip that runs at 2 gigahertz at stock voltage But if it's hot like a mofo, it's totally unusable something can be hot like a mofo I'm hot like a mofo Actually, I'm really cold right now. I could use a jacket. The food's like frozen. I know You microwaved yours, but I bet it's cold now. Yes Potatoes are like solid but anyways So the binning process, why don't you get into the binning process? Well, it's pretty cold It's not as cold as like two days ago. It's 12 degrees in here and you're in a t-shirt Which sort of is more of a reflection on your wisdom and planning than it is on the time I don't think it's that cold though. I don't know We have the lights pointed at us though. That's probably helping a little bit. Although they're fluorescent lights So that's a thing. They don't really heat up that much. If we had the ones from the NCX studio here Oh, that would heat up the whole garage. So the other light main light technology is incandescent which means basically fire. Yeah What it means? So that's where something is just glowing so white hot and so bright that it throws light all over everything around it Those are hot compared to CCFLs which are hot compared to LEDs Are you just checking to make sure the audio is actually good because I never checked. Yes. That's a good idea I have the twitch chat open here, too Okay, I was also going to bring up the list of companies and what games and groups were purchased. Good thinking. I'll do some Twitter questions except I got to finish this Nvidia topic But I've been really struggling to actually manage to finish So the new card coming is gonna be a replacement for the 690 it's gonna be failed Tesla cores Which doesn't mean they're failed it could mean that they run at a slightly higher power envelope Which is fine when you could throw a big old dual slot cooler on it and like a nice well ventilated gaming chassis it's a no big deal and We're expecting this to be an enormous Well, I'm expecting it to be based on sort of the leaked specs that have been seen and based on what we know actually not Even leaked specs based on what we know about Tesla specs. This thing should be a huge generational boost in performance, so this was This core was ready back when Nvidia was launching GTX 680 But for whatever reason whether it was due to the competitive landscape whether it was due to the yields on this gigantic die It's very expensive to manufacture for a number of reasons. So whether it was due to the yields whether it was due to just Being very difficult there being very few production lines that could actually manufacture this monstrosity They held it back from the g-force line and have only been using it for Tesla I think it only recently made it to quadro as well. Is that correct? I Think that was a while back that it made it to quadro not that long ago though. Correct me if I'm wrong though guys So I'm really excited because I'm not a huge fan of dual GPU solutions I don't like the inconsistency of their performance So the way that in some games they'll be like this when you compare to sort of a better single card You know if you go dual GPU, okay, sometimes it's here. Sometimes it's here. Sometimes it's here because you're paying more for it and there's just more general like if if there's a game that runs perfectly on all Configurations except one, you know all single cards run. I pretty much guarantee you It's all the single card configs that work and some dual card Configuration that doesn't work because it's a lot more complicated to code the drivers for it So really excited about another truly high-end GPU that's using a single GPU High-end graphics card using a single GPU and what that'll mean for well for everyone Are you ready to join me for another of our main discussion topics or should I do some Twitter chat? Okay, let's do some Twitter Q&A then guys I'm gonna go ahead and switch over to Twitter and a hundred and twenty one new interactions My speakers make some kind of strange high-pitched pop every few minutes any idea could be your phone If your phone is sitting near your speakers and they're unshielded Then there's a chance that you'll get some interference from them from your phone whenever it's receiving or sending cellular data Yes, we will be covering the THQ bankruptcy soon. That's actually what slicks compiling his I his numbers for what's that? You need a pen. I have 15 pens you can have So funny that one I Might have one in my pocket. You can reach in and get it if you want. No, I got nothing. That's a shame so close yet so far do we really not have a single, you know all the technology in the world and We don't have a single pen It's cool Okay, I'm doing Twitter Q&A then Okay more Twitter Q&A Would you recommend the EVGA SR 2 or SRX for hardcore editing slash? Mid high ish end gaming on the side actually yes That is one of the only usage scenarios where I would genuinely recommend an SRX because it is not useful for gaming mark my words slower for gaming than in an LGA 1155 platform with a 3570k on it Especially if you're overclocking so there's that but if you can take advantage of all of those cores and all those threads I mean, I'm super stoked to see what an SRX will do with Ivy bridge E in it Really there's but the issue for me is there's not many cases are probably would have bought an SR 2 Yes, 900 D will do it, but the 900 will not That's what I mean remember the 900 D and the 900 are completely different things much the same way that the 300 are and the 300 are different things Like where did Corsair get this naming strategy from they both have 600 although the Corsairs has a T and N text does not What other numbers overlap? 600 to do they I think they both have a 200 is there yeah Yeah, I think there's a carbide carbide 200 of some sort. Yeah 200 are something like that. Yeah There you go, so so of course there when they reiterate when they iterate the 800 D and the 900 D a couple more times They'll have an 1100 as well Not sure where I was going with this cloud gaming will never fully take over There's a reason we're called enthusiasts building computers as a hobby for many good for you But you're wrong cloud gaming will take over and there will be nothing left of enthusiasts There will be old games or like indie games It's like it's like saying it's like saying Super Nintendo is never gonna die because there are enthusiasts And there will always be it'll always be there, and you're right in fact I think the most recent Super Nintendo game was made only a couple years ago or something like that like yeah There's still guys coding games for Super Nintendo and finding ways to like Flash the roms onto cartridges and play them and like you said with indie games are always be like kick-starter where they're gonna release And yes stretch goals will always be like local platform local platform. Yes right now It's like Linux Linux Linux, so they're all there will always be like that that that push where there will be a few options for it but Yeah, it's going away mainstream mark my words ten years from now You probably won't have any good reason to still have a dedicated gaming computer But there come on guys click okay Here's here's another thing too is don't worry too much about it because there's gonna be lots of stuff to tinker with Like there's gonna be lots of cool stuff that we can play with as enthusiasts I mean that's like saying you know oh you know the the desktop PC is never never going away because Phones will never take over rah rah rah the reality of it is we all have awesome smartphones that we all use to play games, and we all use to do all kinds of things and And they are coexisting that's okay So your local platform that you play your indie games on or whatever will coexist But you will have some kind of a cloud service maybe ten years is optimistic especially for certain countries like I think in places like Japan where Infrastructure cost nothing in places like Europe where the population density is so high compared to Said ten years I think that's optimistic That's like I think we'll take longer than that yeah, no exactly Yeah, it'll probably be more like 20 before we actually don't need it'll be a long time So it'll be a long time so don't worry. It'll be a long time and the transition will be smooth well smoothish Nothing's ever smooth nothing ever works. That's rule number one of tech tips. Thank you for joining us live bin oh, just bin oh, just bin oh Please boost to 1080p up from 900p I'm tired of seeing people ask what it is please boost to 1080p plus up from 900p I'm sorry. I don't understand. I don't think we're streaming in 900p Um I don't think I can check right now though Resolution oh what the heck we're streaming in 1600 by 900 Why are we streaming? Okay? Sorry guys. There's nothing I can really do right now about that. I hope almost transferred Okay, it's all slicks fault because he was using He was using my twitch account to test some things when he was streaming some game last night and his monitor is 1680 by 1050 which because you know x-splits awesome and doesn't acknowledge 1600 by or 16 by 10 resolutions, which I understand I understand it's it's a streaming platform for I'm getting new Monitors slick says he's getting new monitors. I don't I'll believe it when I see it so sorry about that guys We will We will have to deal with We'll have to deal with that another time Australia day cool watching from the UK awesome When will the sweepstakes be over you know what I haven't talked to Lou from unbox therapy anytime soon Or anytime recently so hopefully we'll be doing the gaming peripherals giveaway very very soon I have them sitting in my waiting to ship stuff out pile over there So it's we'll ship it out as soon as as soon as we we get together and and do is like a random org Choice for a winner, so that's good Tech team GB says they saw my my story post on my forum They wondered what I recommend for new reviewers. I think pretty much everything I have to say is is in that post If you if you go on the linus tech tips comm forum and search for my story or something like that basically I just posted I've talked about it on the live streams before so if you've been following for a while Then then you'll already know but I posted sort of how I got into making YouTube videos and how my career has has started and sort of continued to evolve and Slick is now prepared with our next main topic, so let's do a few more Twitter Q&A things talk about the diaper video I don't know what there is to talk about on the diaper video, but it is what it is I mean babies don't really they don't really care. They don't really have any shame have you heard about the 8350? Versus 3570 disagreement going on between Logan and some neckbeards no I haven't yeah He posted a bunch of videos saying that the 8350 beats 3570 K. Oh well it doesn't Yeah, I know okay. I'm with you. So that we're clear. I haven't I haven't actually watched his videos But I think it's like certain I think what he's actually trying to say is that it wins in very specific use cases well I saw the title of his video, but I didn't watch it It was something to do with twitch streaming and was it gaming I have no idea what he was aiming so if you're if you are if you're in an environment where Where you actually have a lot of multi-threaded junk going on in the background like if you have Like three people Skyping in and you have windows of them here here and here and then you're streaming from the corner Well, you're playing a game And you're doing like a stream like that where it's very CPU intensive because it's encoding multiple streams Then something like an 8350 could pull ahead of a 3570 K. There's all them cores Yeah, because all them cores, but in sort of the well in situations that most people would encounter That's not really gonna happen like we just said though. We haven't seen this video. You should have yeah Hi, Winnipeg. Sorry it sucks to be you man You should have Skype callers on your live stream You know what it's something that we might do at some point with like you know having like diesel join us for example But it'll be a it probably won't happen where we'll take actual live viewers as callers because Twitter is a much more Manageable way for us to interact with the audience Talk about Intel said they'll stop making desktop CPUs after that. Let's see. Let's see what they say although actually okay before we do that I have another topic Intel is oh my goodness. I have two more that are awesome Yeah, that one too, so let's start with let's start with Intel. I is not gonna make desktop boards anymore Yeah, heard about that. Yeah, they were never that huge in the motherboard market in some markets. It was different was it yes in markets Where because Intel's strength more than well, okay their technology so technology here You know probably branding here, and then strength number three. I guess if I had to pick one This is off the top of my head, so they probably have more strengths I mean Intel's just like you know if they had eight arms sticking out of them. They'd all be going like this right But their distribution network yeah, because you can buy an Intel CPU anywhere anywhere, so especially years ago when a Zeus or DFI or Biostar or whatever you find Buster yeah, or like markets where a Zeus didn't have a lot of penetration very low-cost markets Intel was actually Seen as a premium brand because compared to the other garbage you could buy Intel was reliable it would work every time and and that was that so Intel actually like is a thing What was a thing when it comes to motherboards, but now that has that has all changed So what does this mean? I'll take your thoughts first while I adjust the angle of the camera a little bit here because it's bugging me I wonder if they'll be quite so strict on The specification for everything Other than that I don't really think it's that big of a deal I Don't know that's really all I have to say that's all you have to say about Intel not doing motherboards I don't think it's nothing to do. I was never even interested in it. Oh my mother words, but that's not the point What does it mean for the market? We've consolidated down from okay here? I'm gonna name all the motherboard makers I can think of from when I was an enthusiast at the very beginning Okay, so like I'm talking branded motherboard makers where you could actually go to a store or an online website and buy it soy oh ECS Biostar Foxconn Soltech MSI a sues gigabyte EVGA what are some of the other crazy chain tech DFI? What else was there I'm probably missing a bunch, but we're now down to Intel right Intel is another one I'm sure there's it's probably blowing up with a whole bunch that we just missed but those are pretty much all the ones I remember Yeah, so so at least at least a dozen guys like existed around the in the socket a era and One by one they've gradually just started a bit. There's another one a bit There's 13 that's happened with everything though, so every single piece consolidation So 13 I can name from when I was actually I don't know if I can count EVGA because I don't think they overlapped with soltech So let's say at least 12 active ones at a time so now we're down without Intel. We're down to oh As rocks another one 14 of course yeah, as rock So lots of guys so now we're down to a sues gigabyte as like a clear one two then MSI as a clear number three and then As rock which who may or may not there was a rumor that Asus is going to reacquire as rock because that's As rocks origin, so that would leave us with three Intel be gone bio star ECS are still out there But they're just making low on stuff and I can tell you the margins are not good like it just won't make any sense at some Point and they'll just abandon making standalone boards You still making EVGA is still making motherboards, but I know that their volumes are not as high As someone like Asus of course and the margins not there because they have to get someone else to make it for them Like whether it's Foxconn or Asus or gigabyte or whoever else their EVGA is not a manufacturer of motherboards So that leaves us with what maybe six guys that are still active now I mean change that happened with everything though seriously There's still a lot of video card guys Yeah, but quite a few of them have fallen too still a lot of peripheral guys if anything like that Still a lot of peripheral guys if anything there's probably more peripheral guys Yeah monitors still lots although there might have been more Look at gaming studios looking at our next topic. Yeah gaming studios that has happened like crazy Look at the volume of just EA look at what they've like eaten and consumed and destroyed and left dead Well, they don't leave everything dead EA has good stuff the sims is kind of awesome Wasn't that originally their title? Yeah. Yeah No, um nhl 2013 originally their title which almost didn't happen wasn't that originally their title Who have they consumed that it's like came out well Because I think they were working on Uh mass effect one when they acquired bio-ware and I think they were working on dragon age one So those games were released More from just bio-ware standpoint and then dragon age 2 came out. I know you haven't played it but like I bought it Was it bad? Oh Hated that game loved dragon age 1 did not like dragon age 2. You can't go anywhere It's just like oh I got to the main city And i'm just in the main city any any quest that are outside the main city I get to teleport to and then teleport back Sweet that's so ugh. So boring. I mean for me one of the best parts of any kind of an rpg style game Is getting to the next town i'm like finding all the weird random stuff like yeah, like the chicken that you can throw down a hole or whatever in zelda or in like Or like or like the house that you go into in final fantasy 6 where the music's different So, you know, there's going to be like a kooky old man The the chicken at the very beginning of skyrim you run up and hit it a whole town freaking goes crazy on you Like like just awesome little things like that's so cool mass effect Uh, and at mass effect 3 came out my brother and I were both like, oh we haven't played mass effect series at all Let's not read it anything because everyone hated mass effect 3 but we just refused to read anything So we're like we'll catch up right both played mass effect 1 both absolutely loved it awesome game Loved that game. It was great picked up mass effect 2 i'm playing on pc. I quit in like 15 minutes. That's it They they put everything on like you can tell it was Hardcore made for a controller and if you go into the key bindings to rebind things It's like oh, yeah rebind three moves onto one button on your keyboard What why like no, I don't want like I don't remember them all but it's like jump and open And like do this other thing all my spacebar It's like no use is e What are you doing? Use can be f or f or whatever like you can bind it to whatever you want, right? Wow You know what? I mean? Yes, like being able to key bind specific abilities is like kind of important and they put it all on single buttons It's just like screw this you know what I love about like proper pc games like quake 3 Okay, when I got a widescreen monitor. I was like okay go into the ini file Key and a value for field of view. It's just like loop key and a value for resolution done It doesn't matter how old and crappy it is if the game developer actually properly makes it customizable. It can't be that much work They just port and forget how much work is it? I'm like it's like built-in benchmarking utilities. How much work is it to record a stupid time demo? Come on like how much publicity does a game developer who produces a benchmark for their game get from everyone? everywhere benchmarking their game like what was that um What was that game where the benchmark was like the big monster that comes out and does stuff? I'm not gonna be able to think of it. I can't think of it either We should like segue from that and talk about whether or not people want those lost planet 2 Was that it? Yeah, that was the one lost planet 2 It's like I wouldn't even consider playing that game because I just didn't care and didn't have the time around that time But then there's a benchmark, but there's a benchmark so you see it on every review site for every video card And if your benchmark it looks if your benchmark looks good enough, which it should everyone's gonna go on it looks cool I want to play that game Super easy to get super easy. How much work is that? Anyway, you know what? Before we go on to the thq acquisition, what's that? We should talk about benchmarking video if people actually want it Okay, right Let's take some let's go have a look at twitter really quick here to see if anyone was able to come up with uh with any thing that uh That ea hasn't wrecked Uh, here we go Yeah, same experience as slick playing mass effect 2 he kept playing though because uh garris was sexy garris is pretty awesome Slick's in agreement with you if you can't hear him. I know the shotgun mic's pretty directional Sorry, i'm late was installing a passive vga cooler on my 6870. Good luck with that I hope you have some airflow. Logan attributed two unreleased windows 7 updates for the reason why 8350 pulled ahead No Uh, I think you should check out singularity computers. He's a custom builder. Okay Uh, what about texas instruments? No, they were never in motherboards. You should try firefall. It's free for two days um Wish I had time i'm gonna go in and Do other things like work when i'm done this My 13 year old friend is getting a gaming pc and wants an i7 could you convince him he doesn't need an i7 Uh, he doesn't need one an i7 is not a bad idea Send him at the forums get him to go into the building planning group. Yep Send them guys are really good. You know what they're doing send them to linus tech tips.com. We are streaming on the xa10 Hi from the uk. Hello Hello Uh agreed exploration for the win. Yes, sir or ma'am Zachary probably not a chick How many gigahertz can I get? I don't know go for it find out that's half the fun Yeah, uh ibm probably manufactured their own boards at some point But I was talking branded and he's talking when he was into it very specific Yeah, but like branded in a retail box marked with the brand Uh zotac and foxcon. That's right. Zotac does still make motherboards. Although it's very niche like very niche I mean, I was also wasn't talking about super micro and tyan either so zotac's basically just itx boards um When my comp sleeps it undetects the storage drive after we start to be able to play games We're having a similar issue with our benchmarking platform, which is using an ice guzzi disc. That's a little bit different Because ice guzzi is sort of different. Okay any update on the build i'm waiting for mountain mods to ship me back my stuff I want to put knock to a fan's middle But I don't like the color any good way to paint it and will it affect performance painting it will affect the balance And could even affect the shape slightly paint is not um Um insignificant it does have thickness if I was really going to go all out and I was going to really try to put knock to a Fan in a system. I would try and figure out some way to dye the plastic because that's probably a better way to do it without adding any weight or any bulk or any uh, Or affecting the balance because balance is Everything with a high quality fan. Have you ever actually done that though? No, or heard of anyone doing that? No, because how would you dye it properly? How'd you dye plastic? You'd have to because the motors in there you'd have to you'd have to put like some kind of a waterproof thing That would be hard. That'd be really cool. That'd be a cool mod though Yeah, black knock to a fans like custom made because I love knock to us But they only work in systems like that like the they can't see that a green c70. It looks really military It looks really cool through a saber tooth in there. It just looks awesome our live stream setup is a canon xa 10 We've got a road shotgun mic on it We're streaming to a black magic intensity pro capture card. We're using x-split, and we've got a 3770 with like 8 gigs of ram as our as our streaming computer running on onboard video Watching from SA. Where's SA? South Arizona. I think there's probably more than one San Antonio and we have fans from around the world South Africa South America Shout out to all of those places. Hello everybody um There there'll probably be a new chip side will probably be like Z87 or something I know I'm going out on a limb there Come down that was great Also in the snow yes snow Shout out to you too editing dual aha dual well neither Editing you don't need either of those things you need one kuda capable core and preferably a quadro if you're using premier Pro PC chips ah yes PC chips There you go. That's another one Manufacture low end stuff, okay? What temperature is dangerous for laptops internal hard, right say anything about 80 to 85 degrees is probably getting into not too comfortable zone Well, I thought so usually pretty well Like they know what they're building they're usually cooled enough no updates on the Intel smartphones We did talk about them a little bit at CES the one thing that the that the guys in the booth did mention to us though Was that especially the lower cost one was aimed more at developing markets and not so much as a North American thing So it's got like good performance, but quite inexpensive So they were aiming to get smartphones down to sort of a few hundred dollar price point again utilizing what you're talking about with the distribution networks They know where they can push so might as well Speaking of phones I Have officially switched to an HTC 8x. I'm running Windows 8 phone 24 7 and I'm gonna do it for at least 30 days before I decide whether I'm going back to iOS and how's that going for you so far? Mmm. I have a list of frustrations actually maybe tomorrow or Monday. We should film part two of my I-switched blog so you can check it out on the Linus Tech Tips YouTube channel if you haven't seen it already I did a day one one Where I went through and everything that bothered me on day one or everything I thought was cool on day one is all in there And then I have a huge list of notes That's gonna make up the next couple of videos where I'm just gonna be sort of everything that happened before day three and everything that Happened between kind of day three and day 15 And then I'll probably do one more at the end of 30 days where I let you guys know Based on my experience am I gonna switch back to iOS or am I gonna stick with Windows Phone 8? I'm not going Android for all of you who are about to suggest that I buy a Galaxy S3 He refused to try it he grabbed Windows Phone 8 which is like still being developed for pretty hardcore because it's like I've seen his list of notes, and there's a lot of stuff It's just like really like the auto rotate thing yeah that one's pretty frustrating You cannot cannot turn off auto rotate on Windows 8 Windows Phone 8, and I'm not wrong I can hear you all rushing to your keyboards and googling it Windows Phone 8 does not support Disabling auto rotate so if you're using the phone in bed, and you want to use it in portrait mode You cannot do that it will switch to landscape mode on you So then you'll flip it again, and it'll go back to portrait mode, and then you'll flip it again And you'll end up in this endless cycle of flipping the phone around Not knowing what's going on and what's up, and what's down for people that tuned in last week my keyboard works That was weird the cable Completely broke like it doesn't work on anything else and the driver got messed up at the exact same time So well it's probably to do with the broken cable like things up. Maybe yeah Yeah, so I had to pitch that cable and And he stole my cable. I stole your cable, I gave it back. Did you give my cable back? Yeah, okay, cuz I was gonna have to charge you for that I'm using the $3 I'm using the detachable cable from my quickfire because the quickfires detachable cable is awesome It's like sleeved and golden tipped and just sweet, so I just shoved it on my ducky good to go now All right, you know what I want to talk. Let's talk more consolidation before we do this one, okay? Well, we didn't get any EA answers because I think we scrolled down Oh, yeah, did anyone actually manage to ask a question, and then you clicked on the comments right away So no one had time to answer it. Oh Okay, Intel doesn't make money, but I hope they still do nix Logan Linus says you're wrong about the 8350 We we have we have we have done a fair bit of testing on that and like I said if he's in a particular Scenario and maybe Far Cry 3 is an exception. Maybe we should do Far Cry 3 testing so so hold off guys don't sort of He's wrong in the context of most games and anything we've ever tested But if he's found a scenario where the 8350 comes out ahead We haven't seen his video yes, so there that's a factor we can't actually say he's wrong Slick your thoughts on the Elder Scrolls MMO while I eat I'm excited and very very fearful at the same time Okay, if none of you guys know they released a beta signup I've been like too nervous to write the ridiculous essay that I'm gonna write for why I should be chosen for this beta I'm actually gonna sit down tomorrow for like an hour or two and like properly script the whole thing I do have time for this and I know you're really really good at like Like you took English in University, so I'm probably gonna send it to you. What did you take? I thought you took English I skipped it Anyways, I know you're good at that kind of write-up, so I'm gonna send it to you when I'm done to edit it And I'll get you to edit it somehow I hate you, you're fired And then I'm gonna hand that in I'm super freaking stoked and scared as hell at the same time Because some of the stuff that I've read has been like oh god you're gonna destroy everything But then later on they're like hey we listened to our fans and changed it So they're actually listening and like I've seen quite a few videos if you check out the interview videos and stuff They're like hey we go on this forum we go on this forum we go on this forum we read Everything that gets posted under these forums on these specific like sticky topics and stuff We read everything and they pay attention to what people are saying so they have been fixing things that are like holy crap that's bad So I'm actually really excited I've been a huge fan of every single Elder Scrolls game ever Morrowind is like by far and large way above everything else That's not a thing, nothing is far and large If it was far and large then that's the same as it being close and normal No because what if it's like a skyscraper It can be far and large and close and large Touche Anyways it is by far and large My personal favourite game ever I have my list of games that I absolutely love and Morrowind just completely trump cards You've also never played any of my favourite games Final Fantasy 6, TIE Fighter I haven't played Final Fantasy 6, I haven't played TIE Fighter I will, I will go back and play them I seriously doubt they will beat Morrowind though Yeah probably not, probably not One of my spring breaks in high school I spent pretty much the entire duration on the couch in front of my TV playing Morrowind Almost the entire time I love that game And I've said my story before about figuring out the main quest So I'm not going to bother to repeat that but yeah amazing I'm stoked for Elder Scrolls MMO But like I just said I'm worried too so I hope it comes out well I think it will come out well but It's probably about time for a changing of the guard I mean what do we have? Guild Wars 2, Warcraft the 16th or whatever expansion pack they're on now Okay I was going to say expansion yeah It's still technically the same one Yeah but come on I mean it's such a different game compared to what it was when it launched Completely Yeah It's ridiculous Well but that's good that's probably what's kept it fresh That's probably what's kept subscribers too Because at the beginning it was it actually Oh people might hate me for this I think at the beginning it was a little bit more hardcore And at the beginning you had to have a 40 man raid group to do raids So you needed this like huge network of people All the servers were self contained At the very beginning there was no battlegrounds I don't even know what a battleground is so There's like a capture the flag one And there's like a whole king of it never mind Anyways at the beginning you needed 40 people if you wanted to raid There was world PvP that was it And it's all contained on your own server So you knew like all the top guilds on your server You knew like the top dudes of the top guilds on your server Because there's only like three really big guilds on the server So you know everyone when you go into PvP If it's you know the guys you're fighting And like it's very possible that you've been in vent with them before Even if they're on the other side People don't even use vent that much anymore it's Skype now Anyways Like you knew everyone now it's massively across server And now when you look for an instance You just like click a button and click join and a timer goes And then once it finds enough people it's just like join instance And you join in with people from other servers and stuff And you just leave when you're done So there's no like communication really like there used to be So it's more mainstream Way more mainstream it's kind of weird I don't know I come from Everquest days so new MMOs are just kind of icky to me I don't know Ah what else we got But I'm still stoked for the Skyrim one And I'm still excited for it Whoa, Elder Scrolls one No one has managed to post anything So let's take that as no one thinks EA has ever acquired anything and not earned it I just saw a funny tweet coming Doop doop doop doop Yeah I see nothing Someone apparently has the same steak knives as me Okay So let's talk guys If you know this yet But Linksys So if you guys remember Linksys used to be their own thing And then they were acquired by Cisco So any recent Linksys router actually has a big Cisco on it And then like a little like Linksys somewhere like maybe on the bottom Cisco, the deal is done Has sold off the Linksys In fact the entire consumer networking business unit to Belkin of all companies So Cisco gradually closed things down like Flip I don't know if you guys remember Flip video I mean that was doomed anyway Just because phones were catching up So fast It's like yeah I'm going to carry around a dedicated device To film crappy videos No offense to Flip I made a video about the Flip way back when And basically because you know I try not to you know If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all Is sort of the approach that I take But what I did do in the video was I showed a sample video shot with the Flip Or I shot another video with the Flip So I let people make their own decision what they think about the Flip's image quality I had a Flip HD that I brought from a friend to film Me unboxing and talking about a Ducky 9008 DK2 You're such a dork If you can find that video Who's this guy who does unboxings I don't know the account name to that YouTube I don't know the password to that mysterious account name to that YouTube So I can't help you find it But it's out there somewhere I don't even know if I'm in it I think I just talk and like I'm holding it towards the thing Oh so it's like one of those like POV unboxings Where you can't see anything In like a dimly lit room and you're like I'm really excited about this Like mouth breathing into the camera It's so cool It's not even like It's pretty bad Basically what I do is show off blue switches That's basically what I did Anyways yeah That's why I had that Flip and then I still have it Because I haven't seen that guy since Okay here we go Hey someone defending EA EA acquired Criterion Which are still alive and making happy You know what hold on we're not done with the Links this thing So we'll go back to that Look on your face kind of said it all So guys you know what Let's reach out to the Twitch chat for a change I love you guys So tell us what you think About the Links this The Links this deal Where They are being Where they are being acquired By Belkin Just seems like such a strange thing So let's scroll down to the bottom Someone just said I hate that Fallout 3 doesn't work on Windows 7 It does Fix it Someone doesn't care, someone loves bacon I think Belkin's a good company, Cisco Something bankrupt and something Now I remember why we don't use Because we can't read it Okay Links this is the whole router Okay you know what I give up Can one of the mods put it on slow mode That's okay we're done That was pretty much it I mean for me Belkin's Okay so why did Cisco get rid of it Because See this is This is the thing that kind of kills me About the way business is done Versus the way that a normal person Might think makes sense So Cisco Has a certain profit margin That they have to maintain In order to please their shareholders And to make their numbers look good So it doesn't matter how much Money they're making in general It's the percentages and everything It's making sure that those numbers All keep growing So you have to grow how much revenue you're doing You have to grow your profit margin You have to grow your market share You have to grow your units sold You have to grow them all at the same time That's what gives shareholders a big happy smiley face And makes them invest money into your company So if I'm Cisco And I'm like okay so I own this Linksys Which is a big consumer brand And they sell routers And maybe compared to Cisco equipment Which has Well into double digits Margins on it Like well into double digits margins Because the actual bomb cost of a high end Cisco switch is Not this, the opposite of that Is peanuts Compared to the development of the software That went into it So if they can sell, once they're done developing the thing They probably sell any of them Then they're like Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah The thing is, they'll probably sell Quite a few Whereas with a consumer product Okay you have to put in all that work Developing it, but you have to make it up In volume because you're not making more than Maybe 20-30 points On actually selling the thing So, and then you've got to deal with Retailers, and they want all these Back end programs, and you've got to deal end users and they want all this you know you got people calling you and they're like oh the lights aren't on did you plug it in no my internet's not working um do you have internet is it the WPS does that open the port so that's the kind of thing that a company like Cisco is not really set up for or accustomed to so the amount of overhead that goes into dealing with retail consumer brands and how low the margins are compared to the traditional business so if I was sort of the only one making the decision I'd go okay well are they profitable yes are they doing business are they employing people are they providing a good service to their customers yes yes yes yes okay leave it alone what's wrong with it whereas from a bigger business perspective are they profitable is not as important as are they growing our profit margin so there you go Belkin on the other hand is accustomed to the low margin sort of consumer oriented branding business the one concern I'd have about Belkin is do they have the do they have the cojones to do the kinds of things that Linksys did where they had very long-term skews things like WRT 54 GL ran forever amazing things like EA 4500 even have a long life cycle compared to what I've seen from typical Belkin consumer products where they just they're there and then they kind of they're on fire sale and then they're gone so yeah I'm very very interested to see how all of that shapes down I mean it comes down to that theme that we had when we excuse me when we were talking about motherboards before where it's that consolidation so how many networking guys are left compared to how many there were before okay well Cisco doesn't care so just so you know Cisco did nothing wrong they got rid of an asset it's not their problem anymore they made a bunch of money selling it and I know they did they lost a lot of money because they acquired it for like five billion or something that you have they've made instant cash okay yes they have cash in the bank my friends GPU died out of nowhere sometimes it happens sure why not vector nice scared you don't click on buttons man he seemed like pretty coherent didn't the last one seem pretty coherent yeah I think so we all got screamed at 75 to 100 dollar mid-tower get a Define R4 well I know GTX 680 now or wait for it you know what this is always the eternal question let me put it this way if you can afford a GTX 680 right now and it meets your performance requirements go for it GTX 700 series is going to be a lot more expensive than you can acquire a 680 for right now there's a that NCIX this week there's a GTX 670 for what was it to 280 or something it's like 289 or yeah under $300 after a mail-in rebate comes with a game so yeah will a 700 series perform better yes will it cost probably double to triple that yes it will so it's up to you man one thing you can always do is we don't necessarily support on our forums yet because of multiple reasons but you can jump on a hardware forum move your card after you buy it and pick up a higher end one yeah or better yet find someone who's unloading their 680 in anticipation of 700 series right now because I guarantee you they're out there yeah I'm looking for a CPU cooler and SSD I'm a heavy gamer which has absolutely nothing to do with your CPU cooler or your SSD but grab an h100 I and grab either an 840 pro 256 gig or a vector 256 gig well Linus it's 1 a.m. here I'm sorry I can't stay I'm sorry too Brian Linus have my babies it really doesn't work that way that's not really a tech tip but you'll just have to trust me on this one yes quick fire TK is a great keyboard for a non spacious area sorry I don't have time for that right now hi Puerto Rico please fix the focus of the live stream it's the focus off I think it's on autofocus so things going back and forth oh I can try and fix it sure okay slicks on it is PCIe 3.0 capable AMD motherboards only compatible with the share architecture ah yes wait what's what the heck is he talking about the share and bulldozer are the same thing the share is an architecture made up of bulldozer cores so any of the newer FX 8350 80 or 6300 what am I doing I need you to move into the middle because it seems in what it focuses into the middle yeah because I need to be able to see you what what it's kind of focus okay okay that better all right I think that's good though slick did you kill pay our threat no okay no doesn't know Belkin still make their own routers isn't this sort of anti-competitive what do you think Belkin is gonna do with it they'll probably still maintain both brands and much the same way that Cisco never well they did kind of rebrand all the writers Cisco but those only knew the end was Apple had a motherboard market okay we're talking guys we're talking about branded motherboards sold on their own guess I won't buy links this anymore 4500 is still gonna be awesome even when Cisco doesn't own it yes we don't bench on a c70 we use that as our thermal test bench I still did deep well okay sort of that's a bench yeah so let's just leave that there for a bit oh my god that's awkward um Jason Lee asked why not selling sys to D link race use my bet would be that they didn't actually have enough money or care to buy it a sues is quickly gaining market share in the networking space they are just rolling like everything freaking huge so it kind of makes a sues is just a sues where you just kind of like okay the first generation product might not be perfect and the second generation product might not still be perfect but the third generation one will just sort of roll everything else and everyone else might as well just go home they'll take a bit but they'll get it right and it'll just crush yeah that's a sues for you it's like it's like a bear their mission statement much as must just be like take your time going to yeah go into new categories question mark destroy because they're a sues I mean it's not I'm not saying it's necessary a bad thing I'm an ace who's kind of guy Andy when stock clock crisis warhead I don't know about this I'm running away my friends okay okay I think we've caught up okay so let's talk about THQ being gone bye bye okay so so where did it all go consolidation is the theme of the night I couldn't find the exact post I couldn't find the exact post that I used that linked weekly I don't know I looked for it quite a bit using the exact episode of that linked weekly today yeah but I do have the company acquisitions so Sega acquired relic who makes company heroes and warhammer Koch media how does Sega still exist in THQ doesn't that's what I want to know it actually kind of blows my mind I have no idea like I think Sega oh like I don't know this I wish I did but I think Sega kind of just owns a lot of stuff I know they do so who cares they're just a good they're in there a parent company it doesn't matter coach media the guys that Bob volition they're a parent company right okay they own the they own the company that makes Dead Island okay and Dead Island wasn't that just one game okay so it was one game twice yeah okay so wasn't it like not a very well regarded game some people really liked it I've heard kind of broad ends of the spectrum on each side okay some people liked it a lot or absolutely hate it I think it had fun multiplayer okay or co-op or something I never actually played it oh zombie games it's kind of hard to go wrong yeah so like I think that's kind of their thing there I'm not entirely sure the coach or Kotcher I'm not sure how to say this but Koch media took out volition which has Saints Row and they bought Metro so 2033 and the rights to 2034 okay and then crytek grabbed homefront which I think right tech is already making homefront too so they just bought the whole thing so now it's theirs instead of buying the rights to do it okay instead of being an L a per for yeah yeah so now they own the whole thing so they just basically were like okay we'll take that if you're offering it I mean if it's if they would knew they were making actually that's probably a really good sign oh yeah cuz crytek knows their business and if crytek thinks whatever they're working on is like I'm gonna be good and I sort of trust crytek inherently that's good take two who is 2k and rockstar grabbed evolve which is a codename project so not sure what that is could it be a new what was that that game by the Sims guy that no one cared about sport sport yeah maybe it's a new sport I think wasn't that one of like the biggest devastating so stoked for that game I bought the like pre-release character creator thing and I bought the game and just like wasn't that bad yeah I paid I played one full time through just cuz I was like no I bought both these things I will play it but I just that was a waste of time huh it's just not like these were to go provide they developed it for like ridiculous amounts of time yeah and then it was just like devastating oh this feels like an indie game that you developed in like a couple months well it was one of those like Alan Wake type things where it's like I'm sorry you were working on this game for how long yeah and then you ended up with what was apparently I never played it but was apparently a pretty decent game and wake yeah yeah lots people like it but I mean they were talking about Alan Wake when I was running a 9600 pro like I've been talking about this stuff for a long time then it comes out and sucks it would be soft grabbed South Park stick of truth so have you seen videos for that no it actually looks like the first game based off like a TV show that I would actually be interested in I did play the South Park game for n64 though like a ball fight was awesome I think South Park is the only one that can like really pull it off well they have the like the character style already that would adapt very well they have sort of as long as they've actually got the writing team involved to make it like I think they did South Park humor like there's been Simpsons games that if I hear correctly are somewhat oh the Simpsons side scroller is awesome the old arcade game no I've heard of it but never oh it's friggin amazing it's like the best side scroller you're like Bart and you're like swinging your skateboard around and like it's awesome yeah like bad guys all look like principal Skinner like yeah no it's awesome that's sweet so amazing but like actually pretty stoked for that and then they just completely consumed THQ Montreal oh I see so yeah there's one wait I don't think you ever said Ubisoft I don't did you say Ubisoft I think Ubisoft took over South Park speak of truth and then they I think there's one title I don't remember which one it is it's the group that makes Darksiders they have not been purchased yet and that's because they are not up for sale okay I'm not entirely sure what's going on there I think it might be part of the bankruptcy deal but they are not up for sale which is kind of sucky because Darksiders was actually pretty awesome it goes to show you how much money it takes to run a publisher and game developer because it wasn't that long ago that THQ wasn't it like a month ago THQ ran that in the bundle that that yeah that humble bundle they made like that injected a lot of cash into the company and they're bankrupt now already yeah like was that did they already know that it was going down matter what the idea with that because you notice like steam humble bundle like they picked up a new guy I don't remember who it was and he was like to run their company from there on because they're old guy I don't know if it was the CEO but someone high-end was like I can't do this anymore and stepped back they picked up a new guy and then he just went nuts he pushed the humble bundle thing he pushed some crazy aggressive steam sales he just like went absolutely crazy but I just guess it wasn't enough probably spiraling too hard couldn't pull it out of it and then they just died I bet you if they were able to survive two things like company heroes 2 if they are able to survive to that release they might have been able to pull it back out right they probably just couldn't live that long which is really unfortunate because thq is pretty awesome actually pretty upset that they're gone but some of the acquisitions I'm crisis yeah our crytek rather crytek Ubisoft Ubisoft has been doing really great so far lately right now except for you play I'm sorry but you plays like come on guys do the other day that was oh yeah we had all the files in the install directory and we went to play the game and it just it just disappeared had no idea completely gone no idea was there I mean this is stuff that even even that other one that I need the gross orange circle of origin yeah origin even origin has that figured out I haven't set up my entire house within stay on I haven't had time and one of the light switches I wired wrong so one of my other lights doesn't work so I'm sort of I'm waiting until that yeah that's why that doesn't work yeah okay so I'm my brilliant plan is to go ahead and hold off on that for now until I can afford to do the whole house and have an electrician come in and just do it for me because it'd be pretty cool I don't know if in steel is the one I'd go with just because I don't I haven't and I'm not saying I wouldn't but I haven't even tried yeah I haven't tried anything else and I haven't seen what they have in terms of like a software interface for managing the whole thing with automated like programmable events like the phone app is good and it works and blah blah blah blah like I know it all works but I need to know if I can program things like while I'm away if I can have random lights turn on at random intervals yeah yeah so cool cool stuff like that baby mode would be cool just have everything in the house turn off baby mode yeah like baby sleeping mode just like power down everything yeah so then when he cries and I'm trying to go and get to him then I can trip over his toys and step on his Legos and I didn't mean lights you know what made noise calm down I meant things that make noise it's completely unrelated to like I don't think there's anything in my house that makes noise you've kind of you're really quiet yeah my house is sort of quiet minus what's the form server running don't ask me what do you mean what do you mean hardware software what are you talking about Apache why don't you send us Apache sent to us what boards in there 90 80x it's a 980 X on an MSI big bang yeah big bang X power we had a 650 Ti in there that got pulled out and replaced with what card did you give me I think it was a 2600 XT passive passive cards yeah passive card pretty cool some FSP 400 watt power supply we had a stock cooler in there that this was due to slicks utter incompetent actually you know what I must have had it in there so it's possible it's got plastic push pins so I think one of them popped out or maybe I didn't have it quite in enough so that was that was causing some overheating and CPU throttling so we have a stock Intel cooler in there that's like one of the baller ones with the blue LED and like the copper all around it and like an extreme edition stock heat sink to explain a lot of the outages we now have a new boss mode firewall and since it's been installed how many times has he said we've been attacked I think it was like 9,000 times that this one guy like the afternoon after the new firewall was installed it was hit some guy was hitting it like 9,000 times like like that afternoon we're getting DDoS right away so like we've been getting hit pretty hard we had power issues today well that was awesome explain what was running on what the electricians wired up the tech tips studio incorrectly so there's a bank of eight outlets that's supposed to run all the lights and it's a 30 amp circuit for these eight outlets so it's supposed to run all of the lights and the test computers and all that stuff and it went out and I'm like what form server goes down I'm freaking out so 30 amp circuit goes out I mean what were we running off the thing like a microwave you know 2,000 watt light no we didn't have a microwave so I'm like okay so I go down to the breaker and I call up the warehouse manager I'm like the only one that's tripped is this 15 amp breaker everything else is fine and he's like no no for sure they hooked up that one to the 30 amp breaker and the other one to the other thing I'm like so we dig into it and it turns out that we have basically the TV in the back of the NCIX tech tip set running off of a 30 amp breaker and then we have a 15 amp breaker for all of our lights and test benches and everything else and the servers and everything and everything so the electricians coming in to switch that around and then we had to find another circuit we had to run a wire from there to run the server off of in the meantime so it doesn't go down when the electrician comes in and switches it around and then I had to we I had to take out the 650 Ti I had to take out the 660 Ti that was in my Windows server this is actually pretty funny I'm gonna show someone says I found slick and it's like it's like a meme picture called friend zone keep telling yourself it's better than yeah it's whatever you're a demotivational poster it does kind of look like you though actually is it yeah here hold your head above above that guy I have to go like well now you're so close yeah see now it totally looks like that's awesome I usually have short hair though I just haven't gotten a haircut in like seven months yeah do you want a beta key for firefall I probably would never play yeah I don't really have no time for MMO you guys all right man I appreciate it but yeah probably be better spent on someone else we appreciate it do we have any other topics for tonight I'm sure there was something the far cry 3 benchmark video oh you want to know people are just okay you talk about that I'll go see if I had any other notes okay so we're planning a bunch of videos for like actually some of the cards are behind me like what card for what card is best AMD versus Nvidia so show like the best two cards under different price points for Far Cry 3 so we're choosing three different price points you guys will see the videos but I had to set up the benchmark for it and it's kind of a fun benchmark so what I want to do is show my methodology for the benchmark so it's if you played one of the if you played Far Cry 3 it's one of the trials and it's the one where you're driving in the Jeep and you have to hit everyone you have to run over all the guys so what my methodology is you drive around you drive up the thing you hit all the time barrels but the plan is you don't hit any of the guys to make it consistent because it's way easier to not hit the guys and it is to hit the guys so I was wondering if you guys were interested in us posting a video of like Linus describing what the benchmark is about showing like me getting into the game and then showing where where I start the benchmark starting the benchmark going through the whole thing and ending it and then Linus ending off the video if you guys would actually think that's interesting content we've never shown our benchmarking methodology that deeply before like we've never shown the actual run fully I don't think I think I've done videos where the cameras over my shoulder shoulder and you're doing the benchmark but we haven't like properly shown the whole benchmark in fraps like on the screen so you can see it really clearly before and we'd like for you guys to be able to run it and compare your own system you can go okay what kind of performance do I get versus if I was running a system like what they're running and I think that's cool right yeah and I think this would be really fun in his section of the forum the Linus whatever whatever ramblings section if he posts that video up and we can show our results and then you guys can show all your results of your system yeah so cool so everyone yeah so everyone can see like okay if I get this system it will run Far Cry 3 this well and that's cool because compared to most like reviews or whatever else where you have whatever their review system was you don't necessarily you need more variety than that because the way that you do a review is very different from the way that you look at overall how does this game run on a variety of platforms because you tend to do things like overball out the CPU so that you can see the differences between all the graphics cards whereas if we have people posting their configurations CPU GPU RAM it's probably the only thing that really matters CPU GPU RAM and frames per second then that gives us a really clear picture of which platforms it runs best on and what affects the performance of that particular game and someone has something that I forget now someone will post at some time being like I have a 3570 K and a saber tooth with 8 gigs of RAM and then everyone will be able to properly see what their system yeah that's very whatever graphics card all right so I I called the Bell customer service quote but heads unquote on the last livestream and I would just like to say that they have proven themselves to me in in my in my eyes they have really gone above and beyond the call of duty and they actually had did I I don't think I even told you this but the guy who called me to follow up on what was going on so they tracked down my name and my phone number and called me and they were like is this a good time to talk because our understanding is that you may have had a negative experience with Bell customer service which I should clarify it wasn't quite so much that it was a negative experience is that it was a complicated and time-consuming experience they what I was doing was I was transferring the ownership of a cell phone plan from a corporate account to a personal account to a different small business account under someone else's existing account so what I was doing was extremely complicated on top of that I was changing my plan and I was trying to see if I qualified for a hardware upgrade and I was trying to get a new phone so that's what was going on that's why I was on the phone with Bell customer service for like an entire day they were more difficult than because people didn't really understand exactly what I was trying to do and for their small business plans they're not just on the website you can't actually do like a comparison so everything's verbal so there's a lot of miscommunication whereas finally I just got in a car and went to the Bell store and got someone to pull out their cheat sheet that only they're allowed to see it says like confidential everything all over the top of it and I was like look no one can give me a clear idea of exactly what's in this plan so how about you look that way for a minute I'm gonna take a picture of this so that if there's ever any debate about what my plan entails we'll all know so so that that got done and then they clarified everything and I was just frustrated because it took so long and I was also frustrated because because of what the existing owner of the corporate account integrated my phone number had done before I didn't qualify for a hardware upgrade even though I otherwise would have so so that was where some of the miscommunication was there because they had renewed my agreement when they moved it over to something else in some way so that's why I didn't qualify for my hardware upgrade so I was frustrated about that as well but it wasn't actually Bell's fault in that case so before you guys sort of go like all Linus is paid off by Bell I can tell you right now I'm not I pay a Bell cell phone bill just like every other Bell customer they did clarify a couple of things about my plan that I hadn't managed to figure out until now but they were they were sort of deeply concerned that I had you know called because they didn't say that I called them butt heads but they said that I had might have had a complaint and I couldn't actually remember even mentioning it in the live stream it was slick who told me that in the live stream I had said something about Bell so I had to go back and watch the archive where I was like oh I called them butt heads that's probably that's probably why they were upset so our new plan is to call everyone but yeah so we're gonna start with Intel Intel is a bunch of buttheads they're all buttheads they're all buttheads the biggest buttheads let's see if I get a call from oh right so the guy who called me reports directly to the VP at Bell or AVP anyway we need to like seriously call everyone buttheads so I'm expecting a call from Craig Barrett himself at this point you know apologizing for whatever whatever Intel did to wrong us love you for making good CPUs yeah what's your problem you make so many CPUs that like we can't find any other things that are better to buy so there so anyway yes I was frustrated it was probably not very nice of me to call them butt heads because I realize now that I sort of have a fair number of people watching so you know I'll be fair next time and I'll like actually explain what happened and then I'll let you guys decide if you think that the company in question is buttheads or if they're not so there you go yeah that was sort of awesome so let's do some Twitter Q&A and then I think we're probably gonna wrap it up a little bit early because I think we're both really tired do I speak for both of us yes but yes you'll have his babies no I was talking about Gabriel's comment good you're talking oh and bring up Marius comment and yes we love pure Android compared to anything else pure Android is like everything else should be cleansed yeah no offense to everyone else who tries to not do pure Android I mean I love you guys but no no not really maybe a little bit in some games but for the amount of extra power it's gonna consume a 260 with a what do you say 670 yeah I don't slow it down no a 260s way fat no slick doesn't know what he's talking for physics yeah hmm trust me physics only slows down if you use like really old fail stuff like 9600 GT there on an 8800 with a 460 which is a similar gap that slowed it down okay it's not about the gap no I know I'm just yeah it's just about whether the card can you have GTX 260 is still a very capable card watching from Norway at a LAN party go play games that's what I was saying that's why I said go to Gabriel's oh yeah go play games Gabriel I mean you can watch us too just make sure you have two monitors like a smartphone which most land parties don't allow see you're at like a buddy's house no because you could use here okay you have to buy two seats this is what I used to do at lands actually you buy two seats no okay no no I didn't do that honestly do you think I would pay no for two of anything no but I was thinking maybe a lamp exactly so this is what I used to do if I wanted to have some kind of content that I was listening to at the same time I'd get open earbuds so not in not IEMs but like just earbuds and then I'd wear my gaming headphones over top of them so that I could listen to music but actually have like my game sound not necessary so so if I needed to get rid of them I could I could take them out at a moment's notice that's sort of a so you got your smartphone running the live stream here and then so that would be on like the Wi-Fi network which they probably got segregated and QoSed out the yin-yang and then you could have everything else sort of running off from your wired connection what are some games you're looking forward to in 2013 I'm looking forward to the star citizen alpha yeah and that's about it stars is in what is it called planetary planetary planetary annihilation planetary annihilation looks sweet does it yeah it's an RTS game but you can like expand to the moon and then like shoot like oh you can grab asteroids and strap rockets to the asteroids and bomb your enemies base with asteroids so basically it's civilization except after you make the spaceship but like game freaking awesome and like you can fight people with like planetary objects which is just sweet it brings back to like 90s level of just awesome it's like doesn't make any sense but sweet I remain skeptical I think it's gonna be awesome it's a Kickstarter game look it up my 660 keeps crashing usually happens during a visual glitch and comes back in like four seconds could be a power issue could be an overall system stability issue may not actually be directly related neither neither of those are neither of those are good solutions what graphics card would you recommend for intense video editing on Adobe software any CUDA capable card particularly a quadro Far Cry 3 bench go got it you still planning on switching the form software due to all the glitches no we're gonna stick with the bulls and five there are some issues but by and large it it works works there's a lot of like okay another bajillionth showed out to mr. wizard and the rest of the mod team but sorry rest of the mod team mainly mr. wizard we've been like fighting the bolt in five to make this thing work there have been an incredible amount of problems but we've also made an incredible amount of progress it's fairly stable right now mostly outages that you see is because like we were running it in a horrible ghetto state with like hardware that shouldn't have been in there and stuff so today there were some outages that had to do with power and me moving it across the room to where it should stay where it should stay forever and like we're still working on the permanent solution and don't got a new firewall so it had to go down while the new firewall was yeah it's like a thirteen hundred dollar firewall so yeah like yay like we're oh bye bye D dos yeah hopefully they can still happen we're moving forward we're working on things this isn't a huge budget project so we're trying to like yeah you got to throw that in hey well I'm not I'm not giving him the budget for rack space is basically what he's not giving me the budget for any external hosting well we could have done external hosting if it was like that website hosting plan that included like five gigs of storage or something no what was it for the database you were allowed to have as many databases as you want but they couldn't be more than like eggs or something or one gay yeah and that was the biggest plan that was like pretty expensive and I wasn't stoked about yeah and then we had like five gigs of hard drive storage and like 512 megabytes of RAM which not gonna fly I mean like oh for context the server has 48 gigs of RAM so it's cashing a lot of the pages and RAM rather than actually running off of the 256 gig SSD that's in there falling back to the one terabyte re4 enterprise level raid one that is basically backing up everything what we did have budget for was computer hardware yeah we had budget for that yes because we had it yeah but like there's a lot of stuff that's supposed to get in place one thing that I'm planning on doing and I've seen posts about this is rolling out ads on that right side under the thank you NCIX label which is like just void space right now I've said there was a poll someone put up a poll asking some dude on the forum put up a poll being like we should do this because they're thinking help with the charity drive okay which it would alleviate costs so it would well that doesn't necessarily contribute in any way to the charity drive charity drive is a different thing but it would help us guys make sure if you're not doing it already just click the like button on all of our videos because if we hit our target for this month we're going to donate $250 to the charity of your choice if you visit the Linus Tech Tips forum in the charity section go there and then you have an option for a lot of different charities that we can contribute it to it basically comes directly out of my pocket so which is I think what the poll was about yeah it's about just helping you in general not necessarily it was a thanks for the charity I'm okay I know but they're trying to be nice so they said do you want to put that there and people either said yeah do it or I don't really care okay no one actually said no so if the forum was ad-supported apparently people don't really get bothered by that no they don't want moving ads okay they don't want flashing like crazy stuff they want like stable kind of normal looking images so basically they want the ads that they can ignore no I think they want the ads that aren't like raw there's a difference there's a big difference you know which one used to drive me crazy the one where it was it was an ad for some smiley package and the guy says say something yeah you remember that one yeah ridiculous and the other one that I hate is the one where it's like move your mouse to like punch George Bush or whatever it is because I always just want to do it but you have to hit usually it's like a target you have to hit it like three times or something so I'll do it like twice yes so we'll probably be rolling out ads not crazy ones I think they just don't ones that I'd like attack your face right but we'll put like at least fairly passive ads we put it on the right side and we'll try and alleviate some of that 2400 people watching tonight so it's a little slower than some other weeks but it is what it is and we're glad that you guys are tuned in we appreciate it 2440 we care about those 40 apparently is e 4200 v2 slowed down his internet that is probably something else or like legendarily broken Sean why do I hate consoles two words and I will illustrate these words although I'm stoked for the new place such a new Xbox because it'll push ported games to be better okay that yes but okay oh okay well then more than two words keyboard and mouse are words one and two and then the other things are holding back game development the only reason we don't have games that have real-time calculations and physics as part of the core gameplay are because they have to port it to consoles so there that's why consoles bother me I don't hate consoles he's like think about it Nvidia shield is using a controller good for that I won't play shooters on it I can tell you that right now racing games on consoles yeah racing games yay sports games yay I play Assassin's Creed on the computer but I use an Xbox controller RPGs yay lots of stuff is way better on console compared to computer yeah not all RPGs better on console I think that okay I'm thinking like Final Fantasy style way way that way better console like you play it with a controller like there's no reason you'd have to play it with a keyboard okay let's jump back on consoles real quick as far as I've seen both of them are coming out with eight gigs of RAM and eight cores okay so like oh yeah right the Xbox whatever it's gonna be called specs leak we didn't even talk to you too I heard that there's no way that that happened at the same time no I think we should leave earlier completely intentional like for them to both be around the same time you know you got it in my cold around the same spec you got to imagine like Xbox executives and like PlayStation executives sitting around a table with like cigars and like playing cards and like discussing you know the schedule on which they'll both leak things and then this and then launch and like I'm you know I'm not accusing them of actually doing that because that's not good that's collusion or whatever it is but yeah I just you know you have like that image in your head when these things it's like when you know AMD and Intel launch CPU platforms at like the same time or AMD and Nvidia launch new GPUs at like the same time so yeah what are some useful networking programs you suggest what are you trying to do man Windows 8 what are you trying to do post on the networking forum yeah in Linus tech tips calm benchmarking ideas epic got it all of my yes got it put it two different videos probably not h1 10 coming out coming very soon it's different than the h100 because it's more bigger what do I think about WASD keyboards I think they're supposed to be pretty good never had my hands on one personally I've also not personally used one and also heard they're pretty good what are the best speakers for games and music for computer speakers just grab some SP 2500s and be done with it have you tried like the clipsh pro media yeah but that's the pro media 2.1 is nothing like the pro media 5.1 ultra was though yeah it has a weak sub compared to the SP 2500s okay I'd love to see the methodology awesome come on to Australia no too hot 48 degrees Celsius that's ridiculous it's not even right no is it right I hope not yeah it's like all desert down there basically isn't it and it's the opposite season sim city beta is awesome EA didn't kill that yet all right I heard I've heard opposite really on reddit there's a sim city reddit and people are freaking out absolutely freaking out what's the key I haven't played it so I have no idea so I'm not going against you I'm just saying I've heard opposite I think someone asks this every livestream what is the keyboard I use on the livestream it is an ASIO KB 178 RT some games are not meant to be played with a controller yeah of course not would you recommend an FXC 350 if you can leverage the course okay apparently the leaked Xbox specs were faked all right I don't know man Washington how far from the border is NCIX depends where you are in Washington Washington's a big state all right I think we're pretty much done for the night good night everybody and thank you for tuning into the live stream and don't forget to tune in to live streams featuring me and you and me yeah you're here too yeah you're fired apparently that joke is apparently that joke is old now someone went like crazy defending me on the forum really and I was like thanks bro didn't actually say anything but he was like no stop you guys are jerks and I was like that's cool I appreciate it's kind of cool but they must know you're not actually fired yeah all right no like it's I think it's not you that he was getting after it's the crazy amount of threads where people say slick is fired on the forum well you were fired a crazy number of times so it makes sense I heard someone was trying to actually keep track of how many times really fired yeah I've seen that yeah no I think I thought I saw like a tweet about it or something we're gonna try and add off-screen fires then that's gonna be tough because you get fired a lot yeah he gets fired a lot I mean today oh no yesterday that thing where you ran all of the benchmarks and overclocked all okay okay so yeah and there's okay if he's gonna tell the story about how I threw a USB drive at the server then I'm gonna tell this story so slick I would like for you to actually tell me how many times you think I told you to use a cloud storage solution to log his maximum over clocks on this entire table full of video cards everything else have ever overclocked while working with you behind us okay that as well as his results for the far cry three benchmarks he ran for six different cards so this was probably like four or five hours of testing finding maximum over clocks using crisis which is a good stress tester and then and then running benchmarks on Far Cry 3 to and then making graphs making nice tidy graphs that we can show you guys in a video that we're gonna release soon how many times did I tell you to save the files to cloud storage that day alone at least six okay and how many cloud storage services did you save them too I saved part of them to one okay and what were you saving them to Google Drive no no what oh what they were all on was a Patriot flash drive okay what happened to that flash drive I was trying to prep a video for true crypt didn't realize it was still in the machine and went to encrypt a flash drive encrypted the wrong one and erased everything so I go I go so I go to his workstation and I'm like slick what are you doing are you finished the benchmarks he's like yeah I'm finished but it's all gone and he's trying to use a data recovery program to get the files back did that work how hard did I rub that you know I don't think I actually fired you because I think I basically said something like that's your training budget he came over to where I was and I'm sitting there like I never put the hood up on my sweater he's like he's like big okay if he if he was if he it was warmer he had been sweating how hard he was working at this I ended up running like three different data recovery programs and like oh I was not happy that was not a good time so I was just like what did we learn and the funny thing too is I'm writing him about it now but the only reason that I gave him such a hard time about this was that I have done it over and over and over again there's a reason that I harp on redundancy and there's a reason that I harp on backups there's a reason I have a raid 6 server in my house and an off-site raid 5 that it backs up to every night because I hate losing data and I've lost a lot of it the kicker that you don't know about is that drive I have been backing up because I knew it was important so I had everything from before the Far Cry 3 benchmarks on it and I had all of that I had just finished moving to drive so everything that didn't matter was back was backed up to my personal PC and backed up to Google Drive and everything that currently mattered disappeared so so guys there's the lesson for you cloud is good backups in general are good accidentally formatting things is bad so I you know what I think I said earlier that I've never lost my music library that's not true I did lose it once I lost my music library and my entire photo library once when I was like I must have been grade 10 so when I was about 15 16 and what happened was an accidental format and I found a tool that recovered some of my pictures my problem is wasn't it hard disk there's a flash drive even then like accidentally formatting a volume though oh yeah so that was actually the way that I've lost data in the past has never been physical drive failure because I've always used raid I've had one physical drive failure this was when I was first I think I've told you about this first moving to my mineral PC in the middle of building my mineral PC and okay like the hard drive in my mineral PC sorry there's a gun I can't see enough for me go away the hard drive for my mineral PC sat in like the lid on top so the very last thing you do when you're done building my design is you put it on the top plug SATA plug SATA top it you're done that's the last thing in the whole build so I'm done my hands are covered in mineral oil and I go pick up my hard drive you see what's happening I'm really tired this build has taken me like 12 hours it's like three or four in the morning so I didn't realize how long it would take I pick up the drive and like all my stuff that I was using was on one table and the machines on the other table so I pick up my drive and I go to walk over to the other table she's like right out of my hands because mineral oil is so slippery and the side of a hard drive is just like metal like very smooth metal so I pick it up just and I see it just hit the ground and I don't even pick it up I was like no I have a new drive here game is gonna put that game over man game over I know that's dead there's no point I ended up plugging it in like a month later it's like okay I think the only hard drive that I ever killed by dropping it was my old one terabyte external two and a half inch drive that had that awesome custom form factor like super fake two and a half inch drive I don't even remember where I got that thing from but it was a beast it was some custom Seagate thing that I don't think many people bought them because it was really uncommon and I was moving a test bench and I used to keep the drive not on like a grippy pad the way that I do now it was just on top of an optical drive oh slid out disconnected the wire hit the ground and well the rest is history but it only had like games on it it was like steam games so I was still annoyed because it had a lot of like steam games and I was in the middle of benchmarking the 6870 video the one on the wall of legend and so I that video that was one of my most frustrating videos ever anyway you know what we've run over time good night everybody and we'll see you next week same bat time same bat channel and still we move it and then it will be a different bat time on it well the same back channel there are no bats