 Hello and show guys, the weekly analysis and news show which is brought to you by Coca-Cola. We have a new sponsor, actually no Coca-Cola. Coca-Cola and Pepsi. I actually don't like Coca-Cola. It's not very good. Do you like Pepsi more? No, it's terrible. You just don't like Coca-Cola? Neither do I. Yeah, it's just terrible. Coca-Cola's weird. Although it's better than the no-name stuff. Safeways house brand Simply Soda. I remember this one time I drank one can of it. This is when I was like nine or ten. I drank one can of it before I left and that stuff made me have to pee like nothing else I've ever experienced in my life. So I'm driving down from Whistler. We get stuck in traffic on the Sea to Sky Highway. Sounds about right. I peed myself in the car, not once, not twice, but three times. How old are you? I was like, well there was nothing I could do. There was a cliff on one side. There was bumper to bumper traffic. I'd piss out the door before I pissed myself. Hours and hours to get down. I was like, Dad, what do I do? And he's like, I don't know, just whatever. Hold onto the roof, lean out. It's convertible. So stand up. Yeah, I don't. Hold a bag on each side or skis on each side. I don't know about that. You know what? Would love to hear your guys' feedback, whether it's in the Twitch chat or whether it's on Twitter. Would you rather embarrass yourself by peeing on the seat or embarrass yourself by standing out in front of the stopped, by the way, traffic? Oh yeah. Completely stopped traffic. Put blockers up. People stopped and having tailgate barbecues on their trucks with their propane because we're not moving. So do you just pee there? Which option is better for you? Totally open to feedback here. I was too embarrassed to get out of the car. Fortunately or unfortunately, the seats were leather, so at least it was going to come out. But yeah, it was one of those experiences you have in life that is unfortunate. I was not expecting that start to the WAN show, actually. No, I have never told you that story. In fact, I haven't told that story many times in general. It's not one of those stories that I'm particularly proud of. So we've got a great show for you guys. We have special guest Lou from Unbox Therapy. We've got this guy. I do things. This guy, we've got a bunch of great topics including the first reviews are out of Asus's 4K monitor, which is extremely exciting. As you guys know, I'm all about the 4K. And leaks of Dell's possible 4K monitors. Yeah. Wow. Leaks of Dell's possible 4K monitors. Samsung's new 840 EVO SSD. Honestly, from what I've seen, it looks like the only SSD that actually I should give any cares about anymore. It looks unbelievable. As well as Slick's expert correspondent analysis of what Microsoft could do to save Windows 9 to actually appeal to every customer. Have you read it? I have read it. It's actually pretty okay. I don't disagree with you. And that's pretty good for me and him. Oh yeah, my watermark. Where's my watermark? Don't worry, we're going to run the intro. We just finished doing the intro. Diesel's afraid that I'll forget to run his awesome intro that we hardcore love long time and boom, cue it. I missed it. I'm going to try that one more time. Alright so there is the intro. Someone says they hate it. Someone says best intro of all time. So we're going to go ahead and call that it's alright. 50% of the time all the time. Yeah, exactly. Whoa. My brain just exploded. So guys remember as always, The WAN Show is brought to you by Razer comms, the voice chat client that is actually optimized for gaming and isn't Skype but also doesn't require you to set up a dedicated server or any of the issues that you might have with some of the other ones that are out there. We actually had a lot of people criticizing our video about why we decided on Razer comms, saying that this one's superior or that one's superior, there's another one that's superior. The reality of it is comms is in beta. I have used other voice clients. For anyone saying Ventrilo was superior, wow, go away because no it isn't. Mumble on the other hand is outstanding. The only issue with Mumble is that when I used to use it for my, I would say Tuesday night gaming sessions but it was more like every night at that point in my life, for gaming sessions, there were some issues with secure channels and with the authentication keys and you had to get, you could only have that admin get you in and invites were weird and rooms were weird. Voice quality is outstanding. Dedicated server, all that kind of stuff. One thing, other voice communication programs, most of them have at least one thing that separates them like TeamSpeak, a lot of people like TeamSpeak. One thing that a lot of people might not know about TeamSpeak, even the people that like it is that you can integrate it with things like Arma and set up hotkeys in game which will talk over certain radio channels. You can go in close burst within the game or go over a certain channel even though you're in the channel with everyone. A lot of different things have cool functionality. We're just trying to show that Razer comms also has its own nice cool way of going about being a voice comm. So use that bit.ly link guys, remember that helps us out a great deal if you're going to download Razer comms and try it or you're going to get your friends to download and try it, please do use that link. As I said before, it helps us out a great deal. So I would like to go to the Twitter boards, that's what I'm going to call them from now on. The Twitter boards? Where I want to see what people think. I would pee on another person's car looking straight in their eyes not losing eye contact the whole time. Come on if you're like 9, I don't think so. I'd rather let it go out the window, own your body man. And then Brian seems to be unrelated, you're going to make me get Instagram aren't you? I am going to continue using Instagram so that's kind of a thing. And for some reason I'm not getting any tweets. So huh, there you go, there's two. Watching from Texas, love the WAN Show guys. What should I get? 2 GTX, wow that went fast all of a sudden. 2 GTX 760s or 1 780 also tell Slick I love his little beard. I don't think that's an intentional beard is it? What do you mean? Your beard. It's an intentional beard. It's an intentional beard? I shaved this part. Oh okay. Well um. I'm trying to enjoy it before I inevitably volunteer for firefighting. Evan likes it. And then have to take it off. You're not allowed to have a beard as a firefighter? Well your skin won't make contact with the mask as well. Ah okay. Okay. It makes sense because you need it to be able to stick against your skin. And like we figured out with the ninja mask, my hair pokes through things and stuff. Gotcha. Alright, Sorin asks for headphones in the $200 to $250 range. You're really happy with your Custom 1 Pros right? Yeah they're awesome. And they often go on sale around that range. Hard to say no to that. Play modern games on Afterparty. We'll see if we can even figure out playing games on the Afterparty. Should I buy a 7950 now or wait for new AMD cards? No idea. We don't know. H100i's intake or exhaust on Phantom 410 mounted in the top. All other fans intake, go ahead and use it as an exhaust. Ducky Shine 3 up for pre-order ordering mine tomorrow. Orly Certain Places have them for pre-order and a lot of places that have them. Oh wait this is Shine 3. Yeah I know he should be fine. I was thinking Snake. A lot of them are sold out. Alright going to upgrade to 4770k. Is there any motherboard you'd recommend especially? What is overclocking noob friendly for up to $300? Honestly for $300 you can buy pretty much whatever you want. And we have a very exciting video coming soon where we are going to take two Z87 boards. Do you remember which two they are? It's a, I don't remember the exact model name but it's a Gigabyte ITX WiFi board. Little board. Pew pew pew pew. Versus a Rampage. Maximus 6. Maximus 6. Extreme. There we go. So we overclock them both. We run some benchmarks. But actually in our experience what difference does it actually make? Versus, I mean there's always the features that are added by better boards. So for example the Maximus 6 formula has much better onboard audio. Which can save you buying a sound card with that said. I've always believed that buying a very high quality sound card because the way audio equipment doesn't really change much over time. A good quality sound card from 3 years ago, 4 years ago, something like an Osintec X Meridian or something like that. Still a good sound card if you can find a PCI slot to put it in. So I recommend rather than investing in a better board that has better sound, grab a great sound card and put it in whatever board you happen to buy. It also looks a lot better in Aesthetics Matter. Yeah true that. Alright so Unbox Therapy has tweeted that he's going to be joining us soon. That's very very exciting. He's a really great guy, we've actually met in person in the past and enjoyed some pretty actually it was some pretty suspect like barbeque, make it yourself food. We were hanging out with Logan as well so there's some pictures from that trip but it was pretty great actually. So let's do our first topic of the day shall we? Sure. What do you want to hit him with first? Why don't we talk PQ321? Sure, sure. Alright so AnonTech has one of the first reviews out there of the PQ321Q Ultra HD monitor living with a 31.5 inch 4K desktop display. So guys I do highly recommend taking a complete sort of you know probably only take about 15 minutes, 20 minutes. It's not that long. Read through the review because they touch on some really interesting points about this for those of you who don't know, one of the first 4K desktop monitors that is actually intended to be hooked up to a computer. What's your take on this? I read through the review and the first thing that I noticed was he said the color gamut wasn't exactly where he hoped it would be. It was almost 100% of sRGB if I recall correctly but some of it was in the wrong spots. So it's exciting because they're getting these lower size 4K resolutions and one thing that he said is he kind of expected it to not be that big of a difference because it's so close to him but that he instantly noticed that it was so much sharper. Yes, I mean I could have told, I think Chris is the reviewer over there that did this particular write up and I could have told him a 4K monitor was going to make a very very big difference but for me to invest $3,500. I mean I had talked about maybe I want to go 4K but the reality of it is there's a couple reasons why I'm not ready. Would I be willing to sell my bike and drop all of that money that I get back for it on a monitor? Potentially yes, especially then. Mind you I'm back on my bike for this season and I'm kind of questioning how I could have ever been crazy enough to think about that. I was going to say now that it's summertime you're actually riding it. But the flip side of that, but the other hand of that discussion is yeah it's expensive, would I be willing to drop the money? Maybe but there's still some problems. So the display standards aren't really ready yet for the most part. HDMI is not going to be ready until HDMI 2.0 when we're going to be able to drive 4K at 60Hz off of a single interface. When I was talking to the ASUS guys that were at Vancouver they were saying that part of the reason that they didn't have games running on the one that was there was that they needed some driver hook'em whatever word you want to use for it in order to have the two display interfaces work correctly as teaming together to drive a single panel. So that to me is a big concern as well is what happens to this weird niche product that ASUS sells however many they sell. Like I'm not going to say 10 but I'm also not going to say 10,000 in North America anyway. And that's the danger is what happens to weird niche products that lead the charge on some kind of a new technology and then ultimately get abandoned. Look at the X25M from Intel of all companies and the X25E. People invested a ton of money into those early gen SSDs. They never got trim. They never got proper garbage collection if I recall correctly. They just kind of got abandoned because they didn't sell enough for it to be worth the R&D time of fixing it after the fact. And that's a really good point because it's prohibitively expensive. It has its problems. What I'm excited for is when they get it smaller size because 31.5 is huge. 31, 30 inches is already like I used 30 inch for quite a while and I got used to it. But then what happened was I recently switched back to 24 and even though it was noticeable I don't really miss that huge. I miss the resolution. Yeah, yeah. Love to have the resolution back but exactly. I'm excited for 24 inch. I'm excited to buy two 24 inch 4K monitors that are affordable. Do you consider affordable? I don't know. Would you spend $750 each? No. Because it's going to be a long time before they're going to be less than that. Yes, but I'm very happy with my current monitors. True that. And I'm totally fine with waiting. So you had really, really good points. It's interesting buying in on technology like this. I think I've done it once. I bought a Nia. It wasn't super expensive. It was fun though. So it was fundamentally broken. Yes, it was terrible. But it was fun. I enjoyed messing around with it. I got my money out of it. I was happy. It got abandoned. That's fine. Okay. Whereas, and I'm not saying that this monitor is not going to work three years from now. It will. And DisplayPort is a much better solution than Dual HDMI in. But there's all those early growing pains. I mean early 2560 by 1600 monitors, none of them had on screen displays. Because the processing chips required to, none of them had scalers. Because the processing required to do all this stuff was just out of reach. So you just had to drive it natively. And so the on screen display ain't great on this thing. But one thing that's cool about the PQ321Q is that the input lag isn't bad. Yeah. That's outstanding. It's about the same as the PB278, which I have two of them incoming when they finally get in stock at the place I've ordered them. And I've gamed on that monitor. Not bad. It's not a CRT, but it's not bad. So that I find really exciting how close we are from that perspective. But yeah, I think that's... It's exciting. And if you have the money, that's great. But oof. Yeah. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. I saw, actually it's not in the, it's not in our WAN Show doc, but I saw someone was running three of the Sharp displays in iFinity off of a 7970 matrix or whatever from Asus. So it's like 12K display essentially. That's absurd. Unbelievable. He had them on loan, so it's like $10,000 worth of displays, right? That's the other thing that I'm really waiting for with 4K is more competition. You look what happened with TVs, with Seiko just kind of marching in and being like, yo guys, this doesn't cost that much. Not a great TV. But still. In fact, the reviews are terrible. Yeah. They're basically saying, don't bother, just go get a 1080p TV. But I'm waiting for someone other than freaking Sharp to have something other than a 32 inch panel. I mean, that's a professional geared product in the first place. Well, the Dell leaks are pretty much just product numbers. Why don't we do that one next? Sure. It's in here somewhere. As far as I could tell with the Dell leaks is that they are basically just product numbers. But one thing that I saw was, I think it was like 2414, and it seemed like all the 4K ones ended in 14. So that got me excited because 24 inch, I'm assuming the first two numbers are inch. So 24 inch 4K monitor, which is what I'm super excited for. I'm sure it's going to be way too expensive. But that's the size that I'm excited for. With that said, Dell's been reasonably reasonable about some stuff. So this was submitted on the Linus Tech Tips forum by Snow Comet. So it was a leak in the sound bar manual because their sound bar, I don't know if you're familiar with it, is usually cross compatible with multiple Dell monitors. So here are the leaked models. The UP3214Q. So that is in all likelihood a 4K 32 inch using the same exo panel as everyone else. That's another thing is when we get more panel manufacturers playing the game, yeah, that's going to help a lot. The UP2414Q, the U2414H, and then U3415W. So Q might be 4K or whatever else. Fascinating. I still have, oh, oh, just an FYI guys. This IP is not the IP of the poster. I forgot again to log into a different account. Guys, if you were to watch our streams over sort of a longer period of time, you'd notice that IPs repeat themselves a fair bit because they are the IPs that have to do with the security system for our forum, not to do with the actual members of our forum. So there you go. Just throwing that out there. Let's go ahead and move on to our next topic, shall we? Nvidia has a new Quadro video card. So they just recently unveiled, so this was submitted by Ichando, the Quadro K6000 GPU. So this is based on a Titan GK110 core. It has 12 gigs. We'll let that sink in for a moment. 12 gigs of GDDR5 memory, and that makes it pretty much when it comes to 3D rendering, animation, simulation applications, pretty much the fastest possible GPU that can exist right now. Now we'll talk about that a little bit. So there's a couple of really great quotes from Pixar. So this is their vice president of software R&D. The Kepler features are key to our next generation real-time lighting and geometry handling. If you guys have seen Monsters U yet, you may have noticed that there's a completely different look to that film compared to previous Pixar films because instead of manually programming lighting, they're actually having the lighting just bounce around the way that it normally would, making it much more natural looking. So we were thrilled to get an early look at the K6000. The added memory and other features allows our artists to see much more of the final scene in real-time interactive form and allows many more artistic iterations. And then Nissan is saying that they can pull up almost an entire car in like life-like realism to look at things and tinker with it and all that kind of stuff. And then they have another one from Apache. That combined with leap motion could be really cool. Oh yeah, I know, right? Computers are changing. Computers are changing. So yeah, Apache is energy, for energy exploration, they're saying drilling in the wrong place can be a multi-million dollar mistake and the K6000 gives the edge to make better decisions. Wow. That's a little bit blunt. Yeah. It's like, yeah, we needed this power. Otherwise, yeah, all the dollars just... Bye bye. So in addition to all of that, I would like to settle once and for all that just because a graphics card costs $5,000 versus something like a Titan that costs $1,000 and is actually built on the same architecture, that has nothing to do with gaming performance. These cards are not gaming cards. They use workstation grade memory, for example, because you can't afford to make a mistake. They have the full capability of their double precision calculations that they need to do. They have software features that are not enabled on desktop parts. They are binned to a higher degree of quality. They're expected to last longer, run inside lower thermal envelopes. For example, the Quadro and Diesel's workstation on the desktop side or for the graphics side, the G4 side, was a dual slot cooler. His is a single slot cooler because it's a better binned part and they were able to achieve that with that particular card. So guys, I'm so tired of seeing builds on PC part picker that are like, yeah, I did an ultimate build. I put in four Quadros. No, you didn't because that's not for gaming. So there you go. Why don't we do a quick Twitter blitz and I'll do this blitz while you get Lou on the line. Sure, sure. Do you have the snowball set up? Oh, yeah. Oh, oh. Oh. I'll figure it out here. Sweet. All right, cool. Actually, I've got coms up here. Yeah, yeah. He's in the channel already. Lou's in the channel already, so we should be ready to go pretty quick after this Twitter blitz here, guys. Here we go. I have an i5-3450. I want to upgrade and I'm a designer. I use Photoshop and Maya. Any suggestions? You know what? You're going to get a bit of a performance increase, especially if you go for something like a K-series processor, a 4670K and overclock it, or even a 4770K because you will be able to take advantage of hyper-threading. With that said, if your workloads perform well on an AMD Piledriver chip, something like an 8350 is a great value. But you know what? I guess what I'd probably do is 3770K for you because you don't want to change your board and you're going to be able to take advantage of hyper-threading as well as potentially overclocking that CPU. Can you run games in multi-monitor across? Oh, okay. Yeah, Unbox Therapy is ready to go, but we're not quite ready for him just yet, so I'm going to finish this blitz. There you go. You guys really need to look at the camera more rather than talking just to yourselves. Thank you, Mohammed, for the feedback. There's only so much we can do. Someone asks, after party. Yes, there will be an after party. I made a video about the Asus 4K display. They used AMD iFINITY for merging two halves of the display. Oh, PCPer made a video about it. Cool. Going live in about 10 minutes. Come say hi. Oh, thanks for tweeting that, Lou. You know what? Let's go back and let's see what some of the... The Apple TV got moved. Any air, water, coolers that would be good for overclocking a 3570K? Something like an H100i would be a great choice. Yeah. On the air cooling side, I love the Silver Arrow, NH-D14. These are all high-end solutions. You can also pick up a Hyper 212 Plus. Like the masses. 12K setup. How will the GPU keep up with this? It will be quite difficult. We need more GPU power. Apparently, we're on the front page of Twitch. That's outstanding. That's awesome. You should get neither of those things. They are both wastes of money. Just outright wastes of money. You know what, we should do a video on just how utterly asinine it is to buy a low-end graphics card. We'd have to get one. We'll just buy it. They only cost like $20. So who cares? Really? I've never even looked. I know. I've actually never looked at the price of... The price to performance ratio of these cards... Is just broken. It's just horrible. Don't even bother. Slick, have you played Skyrim Legendary Edition? Yep. And have you gotten into closed beta? Even if I was... You're moving right along. I think that would be under NDA, even if I was. I farted on the laptop and a little bit of smoke came out of it. Okay. All right. So let's go ahead and have Lou join us then at this point, because apparently things have gotten a little bit silly. So I'm going to go ahead and add a media file where we have... Oh, Diesel didn't put it in this folder, but it's okay because I got this. I got this. I got this. Lou unboxed there. Bam. There's a portrait. There's the guy who will be joining us. Right about now. Hey, Lou, how are you? He will be connected in a second. He'll be connected in a second? Yep. Oh, all right. He's got to turn on his mic. So Lou apologizes in advance for his microphone. It's apparently not that great. I haven't heard it yet, but it's not that bad, right? It's not terrible, but it's all right. You've got to turn on his mic. So Lou apologizes in advance for his microphone. Oh, Lou, you're going to want to mute the stream over there. It's apparently not that great. I haven't heard it yet, but it's all right. So Lou, how about now? How about now? Am I there yet? You are here. All right, there we go. So jumping down. Sorry? Hello, hello, hello. You are live. Check, check, check. Is there a way we can turn him up? Yeah, we can turn him up a little bit, I think. All right. So you are our very second special guest, and we are extremely excited to have you join us. Do you want to take just a brief moment and sort of introduce yourself to the audience, those of you who aren't familiar? I can't hear you. Let me see. There's something going on here. You can't hear us, apparently. Oh, okay. Okay. Well, in that case, I'll say a little bit about what... Oh, hold on. I wonder if it's our fault. It's still pretty quiet. I can't hear anything. I'm just using this. Just using it? Yeah. And it shows... If it shows a light there, it means it's picking up forces. I can't hear you guys. I don't know if you can hear me or not. Oh, hold on. Let's hit him on the chat. Maybe try and jump out and jump back. I got it. I got it. You can hear me, but I can't hear you. Yeah, I think our audience can hear you. Okay, Lou's going to try and get you to hear him. You can hear me, but I can't hear you. So, I'm going to give you guys a little bit of a brief history of Unbox Therapy. So, Unbox Therapy is a channel that, as you may or may not have deduced at this point, is centered around the concept of unboxing as a way to clearly demonstrate a product and to really give people that hands-on experience. Yeah, you can hear me, but when we tested it earlier, I heard you loud and clear. Now, nothing. I can just see the chat. Okay. Well, here we go. Wait, what's that? This is also your... Okay, so if you close that one, is it possible that'll address it? I guess it's possible. It shouldn't really, but... You can hear me. Oh, boy. Well, we're having one of those moments here, guys. We are going to try... No, I just checked that. We did test this before the show, so... It worked totally fine. It worked 100% correctly. I don't think it's my end, only because I didn't change anything. I literally let this thing sit here prior to the stream, and I was talking earlier when we did the test run. All right. I think... I don't know why I can't hear you guys, though. Okay, we're going to relaunch comms, and we'll be back in just a moment. Okay, you want me to just sit tight and leave it the way it is? There we go. Let's try this one more time. So I've had a bit of a monkey wrench thrown in my whole introduction of Lou. Oh, monkey wrenches. I love monkey wrenches. It's hard to do a topic in the meantime if we're trying to get audio running here. That is a good point, although I can do a other random topic. Sure. Go for it. Give me one quick second to jump onto something here. That was a community item, so I'm going to have to find something that isn't, because I can't link to the screen. That's going to be interesting. There's a Kickstarter project that got destroyed, basically. Ooh, I wanted to talk about this with Lou. Okay, okay. Oh, I got you now. All right. Hey. I was a little bit worried there for a minute, but the wonders of technology they finally came through. All right, so I guess I don't have to stumble through an entire project. I just want to show you a little bit of what I found. So I'm going to go ahead and jump right into it. So I'm going to go ahead and jump right into it. So I'm going to jump right into it. So I'm going to jump right into it. So I'm going to jump right into it. So I'm going to jump right into it. So I'm going to jump right into it. So I'm going to jump right into it. All right, so I guess I don't have to stumble through an introduction of you for the audience. Why don't you go ahead and tell us about Unbox Therapy and yourself and how you got going on this whole thing? Oh, wow. Yeah, a little bit of background. I guess I think I started by accident. I just wanted to make the same kind of videos. I guess that, oh, am I too quiet? Oh, what? Who's quiet? Everything is silent. What? Oh my god. Everything is silent? I can hear you guys perfectly, but I don't think anybody can hear anyone else. Oh boy. Okay, can the stream hear us now? Everyone said they can just hear Lou. And apparently Lou broke the entire internet. So, hold on a second. Let's go ahead and try something here. Oh boy. You gotta tell him to come over here. Okay. Ha ha ha ha! Wow! We are... We are not... You know what? I'm gonna go ahead and blame Split for all this. It was working when I touched it. And then you decided to get out of good trouble. Now this is not playing now. Oh! Yeah, apparently the stream goes quiet when we do this. Does that mean that these are the things that we're doing? Oh, it's Windows! Oh my god. Hey! This doesn't work now. Are we good? No, I don't think so. Oh, yes! We're good! It was Windows! Blaming me. Well, it could have been your fault. Just as easily as anything else. All right, so Lou, tell us about Unbox Therapy. Tell us how you got started on this stuff. And hopefully they can actually hear you this time. Lou is fine, so I guess they can hear me. Yeah, we're good now. What's up everybody? Thank you for having me on the show today, first of all. I want to get that out of the way. And yeah, to answer your question, I've been doing this for about two and a half years, I think. And in the beginning it was pretty... It was amateur hour. And we've sort of slowly improved the operation. And added a little bit of production value. Had a couple of different people working on it. And I guess our approach since the beginning was to sort of add some cinematic value to the process of making tech videos or making product-based videos. So when did you feel like it really exploded for you? I mean, I know that already, because I've been keeping a very close eye on you since you had around one-tenth the number of subscribers you have now. By the way, congratulations! You broke 500,000, I believe, today. Yeah, I think either today or yesterday. Yeah, pretty crazy. That's a lot of people. But yeah, I think for me it probably picked up somewhere, I want to say maybe a year and a half in or something like that, where I realized that this was a real thing that people were doing professionally. And I guess I started to put a different level of focus onto it. And to be honest with you, I mean, I love doing it. At this point in time, I really couldn't imagine having a regular day job or something like that. I mean, it gets cliché because a lot of people say it, but it's one of the best things to do, as you know. I really do. I really do. I really do. I really do. I really do. I really do. I really do. Well, I wanted to talk to you about this before we really dive into some of our regular WAN Show topics. I get asked this all the time, and I have my sort of standard response that I usually say, but people ask me, how do I get started on this? Right. Yeah, I know. You could have an inbox full of those questions on a daily basis. And I was actually on a broadcast yesterday, and I sort of covered a similar topic because, you know, honestly, when I started out, I didn't, I never, I don't think I reached out to anyone with that particular question. And part of that had to do, I guess, part of that had to do with me making some assumptions, maybe some educated assumptions that having success in this particular arena, being such a new one, was going to require some ingenuity and some trial and error and all of those things. So when people ask me for a set of guidelines, I mean, there are way too many variables at play for me to give you a playbook on how to get viewers on YouTube or how to have success or how to add subscribers, because at the end of the day, you're making a piece of entertainment, and what people find entertaining, what people are drawn towards, is relatively subjective. How do you know before getting into it whether or not you're entertaining, whether or not people give a shit about what you're saying? I mean, you just don't know until you try. Absolutely. I think that's a very good point. And the funny thing about that is that was one of the things that made me notice you and what you were doing, because up until then, as far as tech unboxings went, there was only maybe a handful of guys who were my size or bigger or even close. And what I noticed about the approach that you had was it was completely different from what anyone else was doing, where you were taking unboxing and you were putting your own spin on it. And I think a lot of people send me their gameplay videos or their Let's Plays. Hey, Linus, can you check this out and give me your feedback? And I kind of look at it and I go, well, what have you done that's different? And I think that might be the solution. Right. I mean, it's never a bad idea to innovate. You can't go the other way where you try so hard to do something unusual, and it can be terrible, too. So, I mean, it really requires some attention to detail and some attention to the reaction of your viewers. I mean, you do have to listen. You need to pay attention. If you can't answer every single comment or engage with every single user, you can at least read through some stuff and sort of get an idea of what's working and what isn't working. And that really helps you to edit yourself, because that's one of the most difficult things to do in this business when you're working in relatively small companies or even by yourself in the beginning is how do you determine what to leave in and what to take out? It's very difficult when it's only yourself working on it. Absolutely. And you know what? I think this leads into one of our discussion topics really well, small interaction versus big interaction. So things like Twitter, Vine, Instagram versus Facebook, Google+, YouTube. How do you feel that these things complement each other or compete with each other? You know, this is a pretty interesting topic to me. Like, I have a pretty significant level of interest, at least I think so, in social media and how it all affects my business. I mean, I guess the same could be said for a lot of other businesses, but mine in particular, I think you can really notice a huge increase in your traction if you can get a grip and get a handle on social media, especially when we get into another topic that we're going to talk about today regarding the subboxes on YouTube. But before we get there, it's like, yeah, Facebook, I recently switched my regular human profile to one of what they call a brand page. And after doing that, I noticed a couple of things that occurred. First of all, I was reaching fewer people. But as a side effect of that, it meant that some things were modified in my account where I wasn't getting the same number of personal interactions in my inbox because for somebody who gets a lot of communication, an inbox, whether it be on YouTube or Facebook, is an incredibly terrible place to communicate. Oh, it's horrible. Because what ends up happening is that you end up communicating with one individual with your answer. Nothing is public. And as a result, you end up answering the same thing a hundred different times. And when you become a glorified administration person, you can't be making videos. It's impossible to handle both. So I much prefer Twitter from that standpoint because the conversations are generally public, mostly public, and they're short. And so when you have social interaction on a format like Twitter, essentially the comments become or the messages become like headlines, like in a newspaper. And when you scan a newspaper, you can easily sort through what is the relevant information, what do I need to get back to. You can triage the news, essentially, and the communication that your audience has with you becomes news versus this little thing off in private somewhere in an inbox that is very difficult to triage, very difficult to quickly look at an inbox and say, this is important, this is not important, and where can I start to work? I mean, I basically avoid inboxes at all costs now. Twitter is probably your best chance to get in touch with me and to get a response because at least I know if I respond to you, other people can then go look at that response if they have the same question. Absolutely. And I mean, I think one of the strengths of Twitter, leading into our next discussion topic, which is why is the YouTube subscription feed always broken? Yeah, I have heard some people, some other YouTubers that I communicate with that have had contact with Google themselves. And I have heard that it is intentionally broken. And the theory behind that is similar to what's happening on Facebook right now, which is that people are inundated with content, that the power users are subscribed to so many channels that it becomes difficult for YouTube to figure out what it is that they actually want to watch. And that's why I think they moved to that activity feed or what to watch next on mobile devices. I think they think better than, they think they know better than you do as far as what you want to watch. And so they can use, possibly, they could be using previous viewership data to decide whether or not a subscription you have is something that you watch every single time and whether or not to feed that back into the sub box or to put some recommended video there or to leave it out. I think this is especially a problem when you produce a ton of content, especially like you guys do. If you're putting up two, three, four videos in one day, it seems to me that the likelihood that that video is going to get lost and not reach the boxes becomes that much more likely. Absolutely. This is very true. And this is one of the reasons that for the longest time I completely ignored Twitter, Facebook, and all of that stuff, partly because it didn't really matter to me because I was working at a retailer. I had my day job. YouTube was a side project for me. But also partly because, or not that, well, that's why I ignored it. And then the reason I started paying attention to it was because of needing to own the audience in a way that goes beyond Google's divine will and how they've decided that you should be allowed to interact. I mean, there's so many things on YouTube that you look at that look like they're broken on purpose. Things like the subscription feed. Things like the inbox. This is the creator of Gmail and the conversation thread concept. YouTube has the worst inbox in the world. It's true. Yeah, I don't. I mean, it really doesn't look like their intention is for people to enjoy using the inbox right now. I mean, they could completely get rid of the inbox and I'd be fine with it. Absolutely. They're exactly the same, looking at like they don't want you to have access directly to your audience. They want to control that. So things like how you used to be able to back in the day, this is maybe before your time, but you used to be able to go through a list of every single one of your subscribers. That's true. Yeah, yeah. I recall such a thing. Gone. Yeah. They don't want you to know. As a user, one thing that annoys me is those channels that I've seen on YouTube, which is those channels that I subscribe to, this actually happened to me a few days ago. I briefly mentioned it to you. There's channels that I subscribed to like a year or two ago because I watched their stuff and enjoyed it and then watched a random video by them recently, went, oh, that's really cool. I should subscribe to these guys, realized I was already subscribed to them and went, that's interesting. I check YouTube almost every day and I've never seen one of their videos in my subscription feed. Right. Which is nuts. I don't think you're the only one who's had an experience like that. I get messages on Twitter fairly regularly that things aren't reaching the sub box and you end up figuring out that the ones who end up being that percentage that watch every single video, they're your super fans. They're the ones who actually go out of their way to visit the channel to verify that they've seen everything. What's worked out on the network in terms of the number of fans that fit into that category is about 10%, which is pretty sad when you think about it because you would assume that clicking a subscription button is a fairly committal kind of thing. You're saying that you want to see more content. The idea that only 10% of people after the fact actually follow through on that seems pretty hard to believe. I think for me, if I look at the analytics numbers, because we can see where views come from. I think when I look at it on the videos that do really well where it's a hot topic, something like the Razor Blade 14 that we launched a couple of days ago, I'll get probably around 40,000 views from subscribers, which is exactly right there in that 10% of my total subscriber number, which is obviously a fabrication. If you've got 400,000 users that share the same kind of opinion and taste when it comes to content and entertainment, subject matter, et cetera, you would assume that more than 10% would be interested in a Razor Blade unboxing. That is right in line with the reason they subscribe. I agree with you. There seems to be something else at play. Let's just hope it doesn't get to a point where we have to start paying to reach people on Facebook. Well, what it started to feel like to me, because I'm looking, because one of the metrics, I remember talking to you about this, we ended up talking on the phone for like four hours or something stupid like that. This was back when I first met Lou. I think the conversation then was the metric that I look at for how strong a channel is, is the new subscriber growth rate. How many new people click that button every single day? I've been looking at the numbers and I go, okay, every day, I'm going to have a new subscriber. Every day, 1,000 new people click the button for both you and me, sort of that 800 to 1,000 range. Why is it that when I release a video, the day after that 1,000 people click, maybe 10 of them or 100 of them actually look at it, they just clicked? Yeah, it is. I mean, it's pretty complicated. I don't know. I assume that there's some elaborate kind of algorithm there that figures out and they probably can. Oh, thank you, Brad. One more question. So you mentioned coming in and starting to cargo and certain day on a different fall and you have to delay the launch of your product. Is that an investment made by Google, especially if you see whether it's Doubleday do, Is that a innovation or Ten different people. I can understand that from a certain degree but not necessarily because there's certain types of content like vice I like watching vice but I'll sit down and watch a whole thing of vice But I don't have my entire subscription box to be vice other videos. I'll skip through it to see what I want I'll enjoy seeing more of those Than the vice videos, but it'll give me less because I'm skipping through it, right? Whereas I might watch one or two vice videos, but I watch the whole thing. So my whole feed is always just fights Yep. Yeah, I mean I see yeah, I mean I think like the the Twitter model Should should should work just as well here I mean, I don't click on every link that somebody posts but it doesn't mean that I don't want to see their tweets That's right. And if I didn't want to see it, well the unsubscribe or the unfollow buttons right there. Yep. Yep I hundred percent. I mean it there are there are a million ways to do this that are user driven But Google finds automated systems to be much more interesting So how do you feel as a content creator? Do you feel like you need to divest from the YouTube platform? Um, I Don't think so. I mean, I think my goals have sort of changed as things as things have gone along You know, I think In in the beginning I thought AdSense was the be all and end all like it would it would be sort of what we all relied upon but Going forward. I realized that that real relationships meeting people creating connections in the entertainment business and elsewhere have the potential to bring real value to what you're doing and to to You know potentially give you access to resources that you never even realized you wanted and and You know for me that means getting super creative like I guess I've always been a creative person But I never imagined that at any point I'd be sitting around trying to come up with the next idea for some some new video But I think that YouTube for me rather than be you know, my boss like I originally looked at it now. It's just It's an outlet. It happens to be the platform the player essentially for what I'm doing But I think that there are probably many different ways to create businesses around the idea of delivering video content online That maybe aren't necessarily YouTube. I mean, I know a lot of The first thing they'll do when you sign with them is they will make sure that your content is places other than YouTube I mean, they'll get it on Dailymotion and they'll get it on Blip blip TV. I mean they'll put anywhere they can put it. They will put it and If the networks continue to grow and continue to gather as much steam and and be as powerful as they are and as they will be I could totally imagine them becoming their own conglomerate I mean the the power that exists in networks now is is unbelievable I never would have imagined that that that was what was going to happen here and it surprises me that YouTube let it happen Yeah, yeah, I know it I mean they're they're they're still doing it They're still letting networks sprout up from everywhere again. I think Google is one of those companies that if it's very A long game, you know, it's like it's like a chess match. I have there their objective might be ten steps down the road You never really know why they make the decisions they make and at first they might they look really strange And and like they won't work But I mean some of these some of those networks have been sold recently revision three sold to Discovery Awesome awesomeness TV sold the Dreamworks and we're talking about the 10s of millions of dollars maybe Google's goal in the short term is to bring some traditional Hollywood money into The productions that are occurring on YouTube and maybe they were prepared to do that at a relatively large cost We've actually covered that before yeah channels being backed by like you just said traditional Hollywood money And it seems like it's gonna happen another topic that we have in here is the possible discussion is is this why new media has a chance to swoop in and eat traditional media's lunch Yes, I'd like to I'd like to play this for the audience. This is uh, this is kind of hilarious So hold on. I'm just gonna go ahead and full screen this and we're gonna switch to my laptop here Oh, yay touch screens The hedge if we don't finish this job we're not getting paid and their bad attitude You're allergic to the land we do landscaping Long Island landscapers Thursday night at 9 p.m So back to what I was saying that This is why we both share view that big Hollywood money might be coming into YouTube because we need to get away from this Trash and more towards stuff that's being produced for platforms like YouTube and this is what allowed new media to come and Basically start eating their lunch, but now is this is this it then is the answer somewhere in the middle where obviously like Obviously shows like Breaking Bad are gonna exist you need high production values people have an appetite for high production values But they've also demonstrated they have an appetite for this like weird indie content That's like guys opening boxes or you know guys running around in sort of you know box armor hitting each other or whatever else It happens to be was the answer somewhere in the middle where we take that new media creativity and that old media money And is that what YouTube will be in five years sure or even just a mix? Yeah, yeah, I mean I Think I think it's you're probably right. It'll probably end up somewhere in the middle I think what will end up happening is guys like us regular dudes Who never intended to be where we are will likely get access to resources that we never expected And what the outcome of that is it will be interesting to see I don't think we're that you or I is Necessarily going to go out even with a budget and necessarily make Breaking Bad, but we might do things We could just start a meth lab People enjoy and didn't didn't really know that they were we're going to enjoy I mean, I really think that the internet as a whole from a media delivery Perspective has has really changed pop culture in a big way like I don't know in the future How easy it's going to be to market something as as popular to everyone when we've all become so Sophisticated in our own specific niches when we've decided like I mean you guys are on here on your channel and on this stream It's that are talking about incredibly sophisticated things in a particular subject matter That never could have happened on traditional media because you needed to find a message that was suitable For millions of people that you could you know cheaply broadcast on a dumb pipe to millions of people all at once Since that's not the case anymore. I think everything's gonna get more interesting I think money in people's hands like you and I could produce some stuff that we never even knew we wanted I think a great example is something like video game high school, too Where it was crowdfunded and actually I want to transition into some of our crowdfunding topics coming very soon So it was crowdfunded and it is exactly what we're talking about where there's the creativity of these And I'm not taking anything away from Freddie Wong, but relatively amateur folks. They had some talent Yeah, but let's face it. Come on. Their scripting is terrible. The acting is terrible Right. It's really good for the platform. It's on yes, and it's really good for what they're dealing with But if they took the creativity the mind that is Freddie Wong and the creativity of the people is Freddie Wong and they gave him the money and the actors and the resources Maybe he's the kind of guy who can take that and really find that middle ground and maybe video game high school season six Or whatever his next major project is is that thing? Yeah, I mean that's that's an important thing to remember I think is that you know the the the more opportunities that a content creator has To sort of hone their craft the better the stuff becomes if you look at our early videos are likely terrible I mean, I'll speak for myself. I'm not going to speak for you. Oh mine are worse than yours So, you know and and as time goes on and as you produce more content that changes and I think it I think of course It'll be exactly the same for people like him that are working with larger budgets So let's talk crowdfunding for a little bit We actually have a few things on the uh on the stream or wait No, I want to hear what you think of chromecast first your hands on with one, right? Yep I've been playing with the chromecast Since yesterday, I first tested it out and then we've been messing around with it a little bit today as well Um, I mean it's 35 bucks. It's crazy like I I remember as a kid sitting around thinking it would be amazing to broadcast wirelessly what's on my computer onto my flat panel onto my bigger tv and the fact that we can do that now In hd with a device that that is like the size of a usb key is um is pretty damn impressive. And so um From a technical standpoint It works exactly as they say it's going to work I mean you can broad you broadcast a tab from your chrome browser you install a a little extension It takes a couple of seconds finds it automatically and then uh in you in the youtube app on your mobile device as well You'll see a a chromecast button and you can just immediately move anything you're watching from the couch up onto the up onto the flat panel And what I said in my video was the reason that this is so interesting to me is because So far the youtube experience from the couch is terrible like on every device Uh, you know whether it's a game console or the apple tv or whatever like searching for a video Trying to have that certain sort of be a video dj with a bunch of people sitting around has been a bad experience And this really changes that in a really big way and it does so at a price point that a lot of people Are going to be interested in now i've been saying this since I saw the first smart tv smart tv was dead on arrival Yeah, it was it never stood a chance We already had things like patriot box office and things like the asus o player wde live Or my tv live or whatever they called that thing. We already had these things which were already better Than the smart tv implementations that we have now all these years later and now google's coming along and saying 35 dora don't worry about that smart tv. It's over Yeah, no, no, I completely agree I mean it's amazing you walk into a best buy or future shop or whatever and you go through the tv aisle and they want to charge a thousand dollars for for smart features or at least 500 and And I mean now they're gonna have a little device sitting on the shelf next to it And any sales guy with a head on his shoulders is gonna say listen get the dumbest panel you can and plug this little htmi device in And you're gonna be better off Because I love how it's google So anyone could have released this and if it worked this well been like ah 200 bucks 250 bucks Yeah, and no one would have blinked an eye. It would have been like that's a little bit expensive, but it's awesome So everyone should buy it 35 bucks. This is another example of their thinking 10 steps ahead and like they're doing something completely brazen curse and Yeah, it's definitely a lost leader For the first bunch of sales they were including three months of netflix which brought the actual which brought the actual cost of the device to 11 Dollars they I think they took that off. Yeah, it's gone. No, no they they they they sold out of that particular promo, but Going into it. I mean this is a classic google situation where they completely either either they do it intentionally or they underestimate The demand for their products and it becomes a shit show It's one or the it's what it's one or the other I'm not sure I mean I haven't figured it out yet I think I think that they suck at retail to be honest with you So just make everything free and just figure out how to deal with yeah Yeah Exactly well the funny thing was like a bunch of people a bunch of people rushed to order it on the google play store right and They they had a five-day lead time from those purchases and then 45 minutes later Amazon launched and it was available for next day delivery And so all these like enthusiasts who were sitting around waiting to click their mouse button on the Google Play Store got screwed And guys like me ended up with it the next day Well, I I I missed out on it entirely so I found someone on Twitter who follows me who ordered to right away So I'm gonna buy one of them off him, and hopefully I'll get to play with it pretty soon Yeah, you won't regret it. I mean it's it's a it's a stupid easy device to take with you I can see carrying this thing into board rooms Into hotel rooms hotel rooms. Yeah, it's it's crazy. It's it's it's really convenient So crowdfunding I wanted to talk about a couple of things so number one is Ah, yes, have you heard about the crowdfunded Ubuntu Android phone Is it actually funded though not yet? Yeah, they're working on it, but they want an enormous amount They want an enormous amount of money though million they want to break every record from every crown crowdfunding project ever they want 32 million by August 21st Yeah What are the odds? I Just I honestly I don't I don't know I know I'm probably gonna catch heat for this especially from your audience, but do it I mean That what makes great phones what makes great consumer devices is mass appeal is scale You know when they when when you have enough users that are out there in the public using them It means you're gonna have a better ecosystem of developers working on those devices I just don't see the value proposition of having this this device You know in the far corner of the room that you and ten other people have I don't see how that can be all that compelling. This is not the only phone. They're releasing though This is just the super premium What I'm saying is what I'm saying is are they launching a legitimate competitor to what's already out there? Or is this is this something that's going to be for enthusiasts? And it's a very good question because you look at something like BlackBerry 10 It was reviewed reasonably well in fact you had said you felt that there was a place for it slick In the market however when's the last time you saw a zed 10 or a q10 in someone's hand? And it's not a matter of is it a good platform because I think we can all agree that it's good But the problem is will you tear my Android device away from me or someone else's iOS device away from them with this? One thing that I have to input on this is BlackBerry had side loading apps this runs an entire Android operating system And it's switching is fast as far as I've heard even an Android phone though, okay? Like a poorly supported Android device there will be apps all over the Play Store that don't work right with it This is a thing that exists now never mind if you plan to make only what do they plan to make? 40,000 of them I think that was it I Don't know that sounds about right 40,000 units is the planned run and they will cost around 800 and something dollars each the first few that got in got them for 600 yeah, it's 830 dollars now one of the other things that seems a little bit crazy to me is what they're committing right now They're committing. I believe it was a sapphire screen Dual 4g, so it's like a world 4g phone. They're committing 128 gigs of storage. They're committing and Undisclosed processor four and a half inch screen all these things except the ship date is going to be I believe it was April 2014 Yeah, I mean I I tend to think like I Personally think this thing's gonna be a disaster myself I if it does end up reaching it I I just don't think that a crowd-sourced phone is what we all need right now I there have been crappy enough crowd-sourced products that have come out that aren't that aren't nearly as That aren't nearly as enthusiastic as trying to develop a phone using crowd money I mean, that's just an incredibly hard thing to do one thing is it it is canonical So they're a company that's been around for an incredibly large period of time They're software. They haven't done hardware their software already works They're getting other people to do the hardware look at even someone like Samsung They are now the world's most profitable consumer electronics company above Apple You look at our first iteration of anything. It's terrible their first TVs terrible their first optical drives terrible Their first phones terrible their first friggin compliances were terrible all terrible This is going to be canonicals first attempt at a super premium high-end phone and They're only they're only spending a maximum of 32 million dollars on Something that I can tell you right now Samsung is spending a lot more than that an order of magnitude or two more than that Yeah, well Samsung spends more money on marketing than the market cap for HTC and Motorola combined any any of that Oh, you you could add up all the Android competitors and Samsung spends more on marketing alone than their net value So I mean, it's this is this is there's a terrible situation out there right now for Android phone makers Who aren't Samsung in general let alone a new player who wants to come along and compete in the space HTC? They're flat. I mean, they're they're barely making any money and they make beautiful hardware What another I'm gonna I'm just Go ahead another thing is this again is not their only phone. Yes So they are pulling in this is funding to make sure that they can sell enough of them because if they can't sell enough of them They're not gonna bother release it. This isn't the only funding that's going into this phone They're pulling in funding from other parts of their company They're a massive company and they always do this one thing that this phone is doing is closing in ecosystems So you can plug it in and it will dock and turn it into a whole Ubuntu OS as you plug it into your computer So they want to bring together an ecosystem They want to do this with all their phones and they're going to pull in funding from all over the place To help this because if you watch the video they want this to be their super car Basically so that they can trickle down and then eventually release a phone like this Which is no longer a trickle down and then have another one of these So is the market ready for this yet because CES two three years ago. I was already watching Superphones being plugged into laptop shells that turned them into Android OS's on a not a Laptop shell though, it doesn't matter directly into a monitor plug it into whatever you want Are we ready yet for a phone that is more than a phone and will people care? I don't know if people will care but it doesn't matter what i'm trying to say is that they're getting funding from other parts of their company Oh, not much is true because they're trying to close up an ecosystem But my point with Samsung was that it doesn't matter how much funding they're pulling from whatever part of their company because they're not as big as Samsung And Samsung's first attempt at anything usually sucks. Yeah, so i'm saying that's the first attempt at anything Usually sucks. Yeah, so i'm saying it might suck Unless they're better than Samsung at hardware I don't know man I'm pretty sure I don't remember where I read this but i'm pretty sure they're pulling in other influences for the hardware There's no doubt. I mean that this is a super ambitious thing. I mean, I don't you know, I don't mind It doesn't bother me like I think anybody out there trying to To innovate and create something, you know is a is a positive thing It's going to push the entire the entire uh market forward But at the same time if I was a betting man, like if you were asking me to invest in it I mean, that's a different that's a completely different story. I didn't Yep, there's no way i'm then investing in a piece of hardware that comes out nine months from now I didn't i'm i'm i'm excited for it. I want to see where it's going I did not buy it and I looked at it fast enough that I could have bought it at the cheapest bracket and I didn't So to throw that into the pie I'm excited for the next time they do this in the video. They said that they if this works They want to do it annually almost okay So if they do with this next year and it's super successful this year, then maybe I will because that would be awesome But I want to see it happen first So moving on to our next crowdsourcing topic uh What happens when these things fail? So the doom that came to atlantic city by the forking pathco. Ahem. This is not an easy update to write the short version The project is over the game is cancelled and there's a bunch of angry comments from backers So these are backers only the problem is we weren't kept in the loop. We've been giving false information The problem is that You know, why did we pay for him to move? Why did we pay for these things? Why was there this ambitious goal with you know, like a 35 000 dollar or why was there this ambitious project? That had a 35 000 goal that clearly isn't enough money to do anything and You know, maybe this isn't even the worst case scenario I mean lu you were talking about kickstarter or indiegogo or crowdfunded projects that maybe they actually make it to market But they totally suck. How much faith are you putting into this stuff? Um, I mean For me, I don't put very much Uh, you know, there's there's I think that a lot of the products that have come out of it have proven to be Less than what people expected and in the case of probably the largest product to date which was the the uh, the watch the pebble watch They they even did something strange which was move units to best buy prior to fulfilling the people who paid in advance Uh, there there are no rules, you know when you send your money When you send your money, you're not guaranteed anything and you're essentially enabling a group of people who you don't know To go out and decide how they want to spend that and when they want to deliver something Back to you for that for that investment. I mean, I think that I think crowdfunding could really go to the next level when You actually can get you can actually invest in a company You can actually get a piece of the action like that. That to me gets a lot more interesting You know when when you can say I really believe in this to the point where I want to invest in it anywhere else In the real world when a person makes an investment in a company they expect something back in terms of equity You don't just expect to be pre-ordering something It's amazing how just a little bit of hype can drive people to pay for something that doesn't exist and may never exist And that's exactly it is right now. I've seen good ideas Crowdfunded that didn't make it because they did not have a slick video Or they didn't have a great presentation or the models showcasing the prototype were ugly or whatever other Infinite number of reasons that a good idea can fail and i've seen stupid ideas that are meeting their targets even though like, you know I sort of I sort of hate to call these guys out, but it's a it's a phone case that has um earbuds That like retract into it and i'm just like It beat its target and i'm looking at this going like are you friggin serious? Like it's going to be the crappiest earbuds in the world We already know this because they don't know a bloody thing about earbuds It's going to be a cell phone case, which shouldn't be worth more than about four dollars And they I think they wanted 30 bucks or 40 bucks for it or something stupid like that Yeah, I I think I think a lot i'll think a lot of people fall in love with with the concept and and when you When your product becomes a message and not an actual physical product when you boil a product down just to its just to its advertising Components you realize that that's actually where the magic is like when yes when a company tries to convince you to buy buy something Generally speaking, you know leading up to that actual purchase is when you're the most excited Once you've actually got it that excitement starts to you know You know sort of yeah excited plateaus or hopefully if you like the product it plateaus It might even go down if it's not what you expected But that's what they're doing. They're playing off that initial moment when you think wow, that would be cool And they're selling you something within that moment So it's sort of it's almost in a way like some new kind of advertising platform Where where they're capitalizing at the point of advertisement instead of waiting for the production to take place It's the simpsons monorail episode all over again. Now you two have slammed it I'm gonna again come from the other side at the same time the whole thing about kickstarter If you read anything up about it and indiegogo the customer is supposed to read The article a lot of times they don't a lot of things have been released where they did not do the research That's the customer's fault and even though it's failed that sucks. You're taking a gamble with your money You're playing a game with your money. You're going. Okay, this looks interesting I want it and I want to keep informed on it and I want updates on it I want to know everything that's going on about it So you put money down for a segment of something so you might get something back You might get information only you might get your name in the game You might get your face in the game. You might get whatever say it's a game It could be something else you need to look into it and make sure read up on the people Read up on the product make sure it's gonna work a lot of the times the only things I've backed quite a few things on kickstarter A lot of the things I will only back them if they're mostly produced already I don't want to back something if the guy's like, yeah, I have a cad model of it and like it might work That's pretty cool. I'm gonna back something when he's like, yeah, this is my prototype. It works. Look boom boom It's awesome. I just need to produce a bunch of them I need money to get into manufacturing that makes a lot more sense for me when he goes I've talked to these people they've said that they can actually manufacture this many units at this price I need this much money to make it happen. That's something I'm gonna back. Right. I'm not gonna back one thing so far Star Citizen that was it. Yeah, it was only because Chris Roberts has a long time Tradition of success and he had a great idea and concept and he had enough footage enough in-game gaming Gameplay that he was releasing and showing that I was confident that it was worth dropping my money on big name Research done by the purchaser all that kind of stuff. So Kickstarter is not bad. Yeah, just don't use it poorly No, no, no, I I want to be clear too. It might come off like I'm bashing it. I absolutely love the idea of it I think the idea of crowdfunding is fantastic But I think that there's the potential here that if enough people get screwed It can be that sort of one rotten apple situation where it can spoil the public perception about the entire platform So it's important that they make it very clear how you're supposed to engage with it as an end user because if there's enough press About bad things occurring then some things like this might not have the same traction in the future And I don't want to see that happen because I like the idea of a producer being able to go and reach directly to the audience Without nearly as many middlemen as were traditionally required. I'm a fan Okay, tell me something as a business owner So I really liked your your thought about somewhere in between private investment and going IPO full-blown What about a crowd investment? That's not an investment in the product because that's another one of the things I agree with you a hundred percent That's absolutely ridiculous. I'm not giving my money upfront so that I can have a spot in line That's that's absurd. I mean it's illegal in the USA to charge actually this is kind of funny It's illegal in the USA to charge someone's credit card for a backorder before you ship it. That's right But yet, but and they not do a pre-authorization on it. Yes, they can do a pre-authorization But if I'm giving you my money, I want something besides a spot in line And is that potentially the future of this where if unbox therapy, you know LLC or Linus Media Group Inc. Decides to get investment we could crowdfund investment in terms of an actual ownership in the company That that is currently illegal in the United States. I don't I don't know about Canada But there is talk that eventually things might might end up going in that direction But the only the trouble I have there is that it's kind of like an amplification of the problems We already talked about where if the end user doesn't do their research and understand what they're getting involved in It could bring a lot of heat onto the entire platform and and it could it could end up being fairly destructive So it would need you would need to have some kind of authentication system to determine if people were a good fit I think that the producer would have to look at each person's submission and determine whether or not they wanted to work with that person And accept even if even if it's a tiny little steak You would have to look at it and do some some quick analysis to determine whether or not you wanted to accept that bid And that's actually a very good point because that's one of the reasons that Linus Media Group Inc. doesn't have any private investors We had offers we had people who wanted to throw some funding at us at the beginning in order for to have a stake in the company And for me it wasn't even a matter of do I mind giving up a stake because it's other than it being a phenomenal amount of paperwork It's not really the end of the world. I still get to pay myself a salary. So, you know, I'll be fine And it wasn't necessarily a matter of basically the problem was do I want to work with this person? And if you did a crowdfunded type of initiative like this You're working with so many people. Yes. You have to answer to so many people. Yeah Yeah, I did. Listen, I did one before and it was not the most fun experience ever Yeah, your ultimate ultimate gaming build. Yeah, it's a it's a it's a it's a really strange way to interact with people you've never met You know, that's that's the bottom line. It's like, you know, ultimately people I mean, I'm sure you the whole keyboard warrior thing You know how this works when people have anonymity online and they're not a face and they're not a person that has to answer You know with a face attached to it all of a sudden what they're saying and how they're saying it changes drastically Absolutely. It's a really good point. Okay. I think I had one more topic that I really wanted to discuss with Lou here before we Before we said thank you very much for for joining us. I'm just trying to see if I can find it here. Oh, yeah The plastic iPhone. So I'm gonna go ahead. I'm gonna fire this up and I'm going to just let the viewers check out the video a little bit here Sure. Already sure So guys this is all considered speculation at this point and oh there's a pizza ad I used to I used to be able to spend pizzas Then dough. I worked at a pizza shop. Good job. Hey guys, Mike here the Detroit Borg with a sneak peek of the new plastic iPhone So this is just the back shell of the phone as you can see actually integrates all the chassis components as well So we don't have our battery or the display or anything like that. We just have the chassis components like the EM shield the frame for the Okay, that's that's basically the point the video goes on for about six minutes But I don't know. I don't know how much more there is to say about it than that is a little bit thicker than an iPhone 5 It's obviously going to be cheaper than an iPhone 5 How how many times has Steve Jobs spun in his grave at this point in the very short time that he's been passed away? My comment directly on the document was just how pissed with jobs be Yeah I mean, well, the 3G was had a plastic back Yes, but they moved beyond that and I don't think jobs ever believed in moving backwards. The original iMac was a plastic CRT After that, did he ever go back to a plastic iMac? No Yeah, I mean plastic is I mean, that's one of my my most major criticisms of the of the s4 the s4 the The texture of the plastic on the s4 is so slimy. It's it just does it just doesn't have that same sort of Feel it doesn't feel like a high quality material I mean these are these are gonna be cheap these are gonna be the first Apple's first foray into the I suppose the budget market And have and and they're for definitely their first foray into having multiple devices available in the phone segment So I think there's pretty much one reason they did it not not there's two reasons I guess there's the expense so they could sell them cheaper and second they're gonna do colors and They've had incredible success in the past with the iPod lineup going, you know having different colors for a different audience And I don't know. I mean, I personally don't care that much about colors But I guess there's probably a youthful audience out there that might even iPods were anodized metal Later on in the product cycle or later on in the in the product development And I mean the reason I think they're doing this is pure dick measuring For lack of a better word you look at Samsung smartphone shipments versus Apple's iPhone shipments for q2 Samsung sold about double what Apple does is that because they're selling a bajillion in one s4s. Okay, partially Yes. Yeah, they didn't Apple doesn't launch the new phone Yes, so Apple hasn't launched a new phone and in addition to that Apple doesn't have a low-cost Volume mover in order to maintain their dominance with the with the App Store if they want to keep having as many downloads as Google Play Which I don't think it has Google passed them already. If not, it's very close. Yeah, I'm not sure I think of downloads. Yeah, that I don't know. I think I think that the app store still has more Yeah, I think I think for total of all time. I'm pretty sure they're but they have a they have a long head start And I think they're not that far ahead anymore last time I looked at it So there's two things here. So number one is I think Apple is afraid in that measuring contest That is how many units of phones are you selling and number two is I think they want to maintain iOS as the premier development mobile platform for developers to really be attracted to and I wonder if either of those are the right approach Because you look at what brought about the success of OS 10 and it wasn't Apple being afraid of having 6% market share They were content to have 6% market share, but they did what they believed was right Whether it was right or not is a whole other conversation But they did what they believed and it looks like that's turning around now with the iPhone where instead of doing what they believe is right And what they believe is correct They're doing what investors are demanding or what you know, Yahoo's that email them are telling them that they think they should do I don't think cook has the balls They're going for those happy metrics instead of what is really deep down what they should be going for because of exactly what you just said Which I don't necessarily feel like repeating But I think you're right. Yeah. Yeah, they've they've been making mass market decisions for a while now I mean you can look at some of their decisions with the pro lineup I mean they didn't update the Mac Pro for well years now maybe five years terrible, you know and and they You know, they've going been going with more embedded solutions where systems aren't as upgradable as they once were You know, one of the most major consumer decisions they made was to put their stores in malls where if anybody does any research on malls You know that like eight out of ten people at any given time in a mall or females I remember I remember I'm not trying to be sexist or anything, but generally speaking enthusiasts are males If you look at your analytics of your channel, you'd know that but but anyway, yeah Yeah, it's it's they've made been making decisions the whole way that have been mass market decisions where they want to reach consumers Who they don't care if they were previously their consumers. They're always targeting New users, even though their loyalty numbers have traditionally been been incredible But one of the things just regarding development that still remains to be that they're where their dominance is is in getting people to pay for apps Yeah, because because on the Android side is many downloads as they're going on and as many developers are focusing in that area You'll see an app that costs four dollars on iOS and the developer has to give it away for free with ads on on the Android side Because the user base has a different mentality regarding, you know, the purchasing of an app The app store claims to have the largest database of credit cards of any e-commerce site next to next to Amazon So tell me this will a cheap phone turn that around? Will it will we be attracting more cheapskates to the iOS platform who aren't willing to pay for an app? Because it was actually I was taught I was on a message board for an app that I absolutely love air video It's awesome. It's iOS only because the developer basically came out and said in this thread We don't give any cares about Android because we're not convinced any of those users will give us any money Whereas we have a very healthy business supporting iOS developing this iOS app that we believe is the best in the market And it really is it's so much better than anything else. It's smooth. It's perfect And we're going to stick with that because this is the horse that got us here Do you think that creating a cheap iPhone or like a value iPhone will erode that premium mentality that an iOS user has and that willingness to pay? I mean, there's there's obviously the potential for it But it's hard to imagine that an end user would walk home with a new iOS device Even if that's an iPod touch for that matter and not launch into the app store and see what's hot on the charts I mean, that's just the next thing that you do I see kids who have iOS devices and their parents credit cards are hooked up to them because it's it's a pay to play type ecosystem You know, a lot of problems like that Recently, there was no really mom who had like a six thousand dollar charge on it. Yeah, because of the in-app purchases Yeah, it was a kid's game and they're kind of shrouded that they were really purchases Yeah, make them like an adult would be like, okay, this is a purchase but it was slightly shrouded and it wasn't a big complicated process to buy something So the kids just do whatever. Yeah. Yeah. And there's like a class action I think on that particular app against that particular app But yeah, it's there you you boot into the iOS ecosystem and you realize pretty quickly that if you're going to participate in any meaningful way You need to connect a credit card and that just doesn't happen when you boot into the Google Play Store Yeah, you know, so whether the device is cheaper or not, if you want to utilize it you you kind of that's just the approach they've taken All right. Well, that's a that's a very interesting take on it. And I don't I don't disagree actually Yeah, I guess we'll have to see what happens because the reality of it is iPhone 4 has been available as a value option for zero dollars with contract at least here in Canada for a while Yeah, and they've continued to sell a ton of them Still a great phone. I'm you know, I love the HTC one, but I if I had to go back to using my iPhone for today, I wouldn't die. I'd be fine No, and yeah, and there are there are certain things that you I mean on both sides of both platforms that each one does better than the other It's just it's not a very clear argument that particular one. It's what I hate getting into that argument probably more than any other And I probably run into it more than any other the whole iPhone versus Android All right. Well, thank you so much for joining us. Do you want to do a quick plug for your channel before you go? Oh, sure. Yeah. So I'm available at Unbox Therapy on Twitter or youtube.com slash Unbox Therapy And yeah, I make videos about consumer products and talk about consumer products. And so if you want to check out more, then that's the place to do it Anyone who thinks we're competitors guys that is totally ridiculous. We even cover the same product sometimes but it's a very different style from what we do here Yeah, for sure. No, we're all cool. I mean, it's really I think it's really valuable to connect with people of like mind in this in this space just because it's so new and moving so quickly that having success depends on it All right. Thanks so much, Lou. I really appreciate you joining us and thank you very, very much for joining All right, I think he's gone so guys remember our live guests every week are brought to you by Razor comms Go ahead and click the link that I'm leaning down here next to Oh, I went and moved X-split got no idea where the link is right there that link if you want to look right there if you want to try Razor comms for yourself Remember guys if you use this particular bit.ly link it helps us out a great deal Just before we jump into the Twitter blitz because I'm assuming that we're going to do a Twitter blitz. So guys hit us on Twitter right now I want to jump on to our seemingly weekly EA news. Oh, I know right. Poor EA. Here. Let me bring let me bring this up because it's just like it's terrible as usual Yeah, is this the one oh no, yeah, there we go. Oh, yeah I don't even like the thing is everything that we talk about is newsworthy. I know it happens to always be them So the original Madden programmer wins 11 million in a lawsuit against EA and the worst Is just the tip of the iceberg. Brutal. Oh, yeah. So basically he developed Madden for MS-DOS Commodore Apple II Like a long time ago and has an agreement with them where they have to pay him royalties for every release on derivative works Which basically amounts to anything with Madden in the title. Yeah, and they've been releasing Madden games for well since then. Yeah, so I don't think they have ever paid out. I don't know why he waited so long. But as of now they owe him a lot of money So basically the courts ruling. So hold on. So the 11 million dollars has been awarded for games. It looks like prior to 1996 The court's ruling also gives Antonic the ability to pursue the same claims against EA for games released after 1996 Where revenues exceed three billion dollars So maybe that is the answer. Maybe the trick is find your an employer who's stupid enough to sign a royalty deal Build something for them with a clause about derivative works I mean honestly the fact that EA signed anything to do with royalties for derivative works is insane. They probably forgot. This was so long ago Like so incredibly long ago. They probably just forgot the fact that anyone at EA was ever stupid enough to sign anything Like royalties for derivative works is just. That's not that surprising. Oh come on now. They made SimCity online only. Okay But I mean at least there's a rationale there. I mean maybe the rationale for him was that they didn't want to pay him very much money So they just kind of signed whatever they did. I mean some of the best movie deals have been on ones where the film wasn't expected to do very well So the principal actor says okay well just give me 1% of the revenue and it's like yay pay time Yeah yeah So I think he doesn't have to work anymore at any rate Yeah no. Although if he developed it for DOS, Commodore and Apple II he might be around the not working anymore range already Yeah but now he gets to not work and sit on a boat sort of like High class baller Yeah with like a pool full of ladies that are just there because you know they could hang out there because it's a nice boat Alright so let's go. Oh my gosh 84 new interactions on Twitter and let's go ahead and hit that Would you rather buy a 3770K or a 3820? I'd probably go 3770K. How about you? Why 3820? I don't know probably 3770K Do you need 64 gigs of RAM? No Okay. What are yours and Slick's opinions on the Cooler Master Quickfire TK? Any alternatives at the same price point that you like? So the TK is I believe the sort of 10 keyless one if I recall correctly TK stands for 10 keyless So there is the, wait hold on, which one's the one that has the arrow keys integrated into the number pad? I don't remember exactly what it's called but I'm pretty sure that one's just the 10 keyless Oh okay. In that case it's fine. Cooler Master Mechanical Keyboard? It's a, I don't really need it Your opinion on the Razer Hammerheads? I haven't tried them yet. Mine actually arrived in the mail like 2-3 days ago So it's much to my embarrassment that I haven't had a chance to try them yet but I'm extremely stoked to check them out And I've heard that they're quite basey so I can already say that they're probably not my favourite thing in the world But my understanding is for $49.99 they're actually not bad The overview on Enantech was pretty positive Cool Do you recommend Cherry MX Red switches? Not really Some people do like them David Fitzpatrick's, have you ever considered delidding a processor? I was actually the first one to ever delid an X6800 Extreme Edition So there you go, yes I have I don't really recommend it though And no I haven't because I don't, yeah I haven't used the Audioengine A5 Plus speakers unfortunately That's one of the problems especially with audio equipment is like recommending it before you've tried it is kinda sketchy Yeah it's better to just not, I've heard great things about it, it's one of those things I've heard of but Apple equals new EA? No. Nothing Apple does is as stupid as anything that EA does I don't like Apple, I would not say that Yeah exactly You know what, speaking of Apple, our story, you know what, we're gonna come back to Twitter Blitz after Because I wanted to get into Samsung being the largest Or most profitable consumer electronics company now So where did that go? It's somewhere, there was three of it I think at one point in time Did we all, oh here it is, did we all put it in the dock? Yeah so I had to try and clean it up, that dock was incredibly messy actually Alright so there you go, Yahoo News, in the second calendar quarter of this year Samsung stole Apple's long standing title with a quarterly profit of 8.3 billion Compared to Apple's 6.9 billion So that is news and that's fascinating, so 71 million units of smartphones compared to Apple's 31 million But what I want to launch into with this is are we really gonna start calling Apple a new EA When they're making 6.9 billion in a quarter? I mean this is where that mentality that if a business isn't growing exponentially You know like that curve or that hockey stick, if a business isn't doing that then it's a failure Apple is not a failure yet, they're a long way away from being a failure They made 6.9 billion dollars selling half as many units of smartphones as Samsung Their business is extremely profitable and extremely lucrative and they have cash cash cash To develop whatever new concept as long as someone shows up over there with the vision to make it happen that they want to It's gonna take so long for them to fall if they do fall It will take an incredibly long amount of time because their coffers are huge They have so much money it's insane And they still will have a cult like following of people somewhere that will continue to buy their products So they will continue to exist even if they're much smaller and much more niche Remember they've done this before, they've become niche And by becoming niche they have blown up Because that happens sometimes is you'll see they become niche and then all the professional people start using them and then they blow up They could do that again And if at some point they figure out how to appease their professional users again that would be a very So Tim Cook if you're watching right now, appease your professional users because they advocate for you They're dropping off, like I mentioned last week Freddie Wong released a big thing about how he's moving to PCOS Well Final Cut is a disaster now, people are moving over to Adobe and Premiere ain't perfect but Final Cut is a total disaster And Adobe has figured out how to get people to pay for Creative Cloud Holy crap, we're paying for Creative Cloud They've kind of gone okay let's tie together enough value add services We are going to make this a package in much the same way that Office revolutionized word processing And PowerPoint and Excel, I can hardly even remember what those programs are called if I don't call them word, Excel and PowerPoint anymore But that is what it looks like Adobe is doing with this suite of products That's going to be getting more and more tightly integrated with every generational improvement So come on Apple, I'm sort of rooting for you here I'm not but they can still do it Am I using Chrome Remote Desktop on your laptop? No I'm not I'm using an HDMI capture device but that would be a phenomenally cool way of doing this About YouTube subs, I couldn't even find that Twitch was running until I actually checked the web page Can one of you explain what a gaming keys are used for? I3 plus 650 Ti or I5 with 650 non-TI? I'd go I3 with 650 Ti, what about you? Depends on his use case but yeah probably What monitors do you each use? I'm using some ancient BenQ thing but I have two Asus PB278s so 27 inch 2560 by 1440s inbound I have PA248Qs So we both use Asus IPS panels I really, although at that same point in time if you're going for a cheaper IPS panel LG makes a lot of really good IPS panels that are cheap That's true, Acer has some really nice IPS cheapo monitors these days So just because we used Asus monitors doesn't mean that's all you should go for With the Xbox One and PS4 both being AMD based, do you think there will be more games optimized for an AMD based system? No Is Haswell good enough for PC gaming? Yes 3AM watching the WAN show, alright I saw that EA article, knew you guys were going to mention it Yay! Love it Would a 660 be good for 1080p gaming? It would be okay, I wouldn't expect it to last a real long time especially with new consoles They're so cheap now though, have you seen the price drops on them? Yes People are getting them for like incredibly low amounts of money Alright 7970 Matrix Edition vs GTX 780, GTX 780 Tasty PC has actually declined, I haven't reached out to Corsair George yet but that's a great idea and I really want to do that And JJ will be joining us next week Yep, Corsair George is a great idea That's a great idea, I really like George, he's awesome I love the new format of the livestream, seems much more professional and fluid except for that bit where we couldn't lose mic going thanks to windows automatically adjusting the sound Yeah I was like, people can hear him but he's low I know, that's bizarre right? I know that's a thing that happens, I just never really thought about the process because it's lowering Xsplit's volume which shouldn't really Yeah, do you have Maximus 6 formula in the mail? Not yet, although I should probably bug JJ about it because I'm really excited about that He's going to put it all in the livestream so he has all that pressure Yeah, so he has no choice but to send us a Maximus 6 formula Those won't fit in my case, okay Then get something else, NH-D14 or Silver Arrow, what are some cool things I can fill my PCI slots with? Sound card Yeah get a sound card You can still get a lot of PCI sound cards, you can get a Zoner SDX PCI You know what, there's not much to put in an expansion slot these days I have a sound card and a RAID card Sound RAID video Yeah USB expansion, ah yes, so this is for the system for Mr. Wizard, one of our administrators on the Linus Tech Tips forum We arranged for him to get a 6 core Extreme Edition 980X system The one problem with that system is it didn't have an internal USB 3 header to run to the USB 3 front panel ports So we picked up this Silverstone card, what was it, 30 bucks? It was like I think 20 or 25 but then with shipping and taxes and everything it became around 40 bucks PCIe Gen 2 It's good So this should be able to get full bandwidth No it's like, it's a nice card Silverstone's that company that just doesn't get enough credit for the cool stuff they do Because other companies have made these but one thing I find about this is it had everything Yeah the internal header and the external ports Yeah and like, oh yeah Yeah Silverstone, they just, I wish they would market that It's like what Lou was saying where at the end of the day this can be the best USB expansion card on the market And if Silverstone doesn't figure out how to make people desire it with whether it's a flashy campaign or whatever else No one will ever know Yeah because my computer that I hold to lands is an old 775 platform that still performs fairly well But the case has USB 3 on it and there's just a dead port because I can't Now that I've seen this I'm kind of like, oh if I buy one of those that could really bring, buy one of those and an SSD That could really breathe life back into that system But you hadn't even heard of the bloody thing up till now Neither of us had Neither of us had Who knows like, it's cool that it exists but I never actually, I never needed one so I never looked for one And no one has ever told me anything about it because no one seems to care Okay well we should probably do Build of the Week because we've been streaming for an hour and a half already, over Sure So bring it on Builds of the Week We've got three this week actually because a certain user on our forum keeps on getting in here But I can't leave him out because his builds are too good so I didn't want to like just have it So every time he builds something someone gets knocked off of Build of the Week So I threw him in there on the end not because he isn't deserving but because he's already been in twice Okay So we'll see when we get there So just so you guys know Builds of the Week are in the Build Log section of the forum You can check them out there and in the Linus News and Ramblings or whatever section I'm going to post our entire WAN Show document so you can click any of the links of any of the articles that we were discussing and all that good stuff So let's switch over here and boom, ARK underwater So this is my fail wheel drive I see a lot of people do green builds but I don't necessarily see a lot of people do green builds that well It just looks super sharp He had to do a couple custom cuts I know he had to do some custom cuts to his ODD bays to fit in that radiator Yeah So just super sharp, super clean I love this Builds like this, I try and pick the best picture I possibly can But you guys really need to go to the forum and check out the thread Because he has a ton of really nice photos and it doesn't justify it to be in one picture Right, okay So please go check this guy's build out, it's awesome That is gorgeous Super clean Look at this great pump res combo he's got going on here That makes it extremely clean You've eliminated a couple of components, he's got it right, looks like it's bolted to the radiator Very nice Really, really clean build, looks really sharp And he did green well, which really like I know I already said that but Green can look kind of tacky sometimes Yeah, and I like the color that he picked for it and everything Now this one, I picked an interesting angle for the picture But you'll notice immediately why I picked that angle There's a window in the top There's a window in the top, the whole color of the theme is very dusty Interesting, so he's gone with a saber to, or rather a tough series AMD board by the look of things Is that what that is? Or no, has he colored the heatsinks? What is this? He's done a lot of stuff, he's cut the back out here on the right side panel He's actually printed Tomb Raider in big printing which looks really good And he went with the red and black text Which I think was actually a good idea because that's how it is in their logo Although it would suit the build better if it was all black Now again, please go look at this guy's thread because you can get other angles I had to show that top window because that's so cool But if you can actually get in there in the computer you can see his color theming on everything and it's awesome Look at that, he got right to the edge with that top window That's very unique, I've never seen anything quite like that Super, super cool You know what probably my favorite modded build is ever? Also kind of window related Someone did, do you remember the P182SE? That mirror finish Antec case? Someone got a two way mirror and did a side panel window on it That if the lights inside were off was a mirror And when he turned on the lights inside you could see all the internal components It was for sale on like Red Flag deals or something And I was like gonna buy it Inwin has a case like that now, it's like 700 bucks though Oh wow Now it's Snef, this is the guy who's been here a few times Wow His builds are always amazing I can't leave the modded build logs of the week but then I don't really want them to take over other people's chances Again, tons of different angles I chose this one because it shows the intricacy of his tubing because that's insane Wow, that is just unbelievable The planning that goes into this Nice straight runs always look so much better than curved runs It's just the truth And he made a custom label for his SSD and a custom label for his power supply That both go with the purple chimera theme Wow Super nice Yeah, that's outstanding I've heard through multiple channels that he had to sell this one which is unfortunate But I mean, and the graphics card looks super nice But you gotta see it from the other side So definitely again, check out this thread on the forum And yeah, build logs of the week this week Pretty freaking cool Yeah, that was quite the run of awesome build logs this week Alright guys, I think that pretty much wraps it up Thank you for tuning into the LAN show this week Guys, stay tuned for the after party although it might be a bit of a shorter version of the after party And... is that it? Thanks for watching Yeah, hopefully I didn't embarrass myself too badly with that story at the beginning Do we have to do a outro? You bet you do Alright