 Boom, we should be live on the WAN Show. I'm gonna yet again pull it up on my phone because of the should that I just... Did you get him? No. Okay, you guys are gonna win at some fly hunting throughout the show because there's one that just will not leave us alone and I believe Lewis is gonna murder it before we're done. But to introduce people here, Lewis Rossman, fighter of Apple, repairer of everything. What's your like channel and stuff? What various callouts? Rossman group with two S's and two N's. That's a good way to do that. Level one techs, Wendell. How's it going? Linux master man. Oh. Don't hit me now. Where'd it go? This will be a recurring theme. It's a big one too. Oh, it's been feeding for a while. It would be an honor to be assaulted by Lewis Rossman. Then he'll fix you and hit the fly. Yeah, he'll repair it afterwards. I am old enough to be a fighter. I'm old enough to be a fighter. I'm old enough to be a fighter. I'm old enough to be a fighter. I'm old enough to be a fighter. I'm old enough to be a fighter. I'm old enough to be a fighter. I'm old enough to be a fighter. I'm old enough to be a fighter. I'm old enough to be a fighter. You guys probably know Jay. Jay's two cents everywhere. With a Z. It's not Jay Z on Twitter. But if you're going to tag me, tag Beyonce too. Might as well include it. And this Wanshow will probably not be super standard. We have some news topics. I don't know what almost any of them are. We know that there's some updates to the MacBook Pro. Chrome is using more RAM. Wow, that's surprising. And some other stuff. But I doubt we'll get to a ton of it, because we'll probably go into crazy tangents and we might kill a fly. I'm going to roll the intro. And we'll be back in a second. If you're watching this, you're probably either going or not. Private Internet Access, VPN, and Savage Jerky are the sponsors for this show. I'm going to try to reset this and then go back to main. So, new MacBook Pro's coming out. They have replaced the keyboard. But as we were talking before the show... It's not going to fail anymore? Wrong! You're not typing wrong? It is a third generation butterfly keyboard. However, this design was not intended to solve the recently highlighted butterfly keyboard issues. That's a direct quote from Apple, isn't it? I believe so. It's not in quotes here, but I believe so. Well, I mean, there was no problem with it to begin with, right? You just typed it too hard. So, what was the actual... I generally stay away from those. But what was the actual problem? Well, people would say that the key is either not working or it'll type 20 times when you press it once. Usually, people would show up and say, I didn't get any water on it. It just happened that I'd open it and it would be yellow and brown and ugly. But some of these look like they're just new out of the box and the keys just don't work on them. And then it started to be something where once a day somebody would show up. Then five people a day would show up. Then when we had like 20 to 40 people showing up a day with the same problem and calling and emailing about it, I realized this is going to be a thing. Yeah, yeah. That's the super shallow, flat, real thin key. Yeah, it's the thin key that goes... Like every time you type it, that really obnoxious annoying one. It's not like a nice mechanical keyboard noise. It's a mechanical keyboard noise without any of the mechanic part. There's no base to it. Yeah, they just have like this... I was not a fan of that keyboard at all. Like I couldn't type on it. The throw is just so short. But basically what I'm hearing here is we got a new keyboard, but it could potentially have all the same problems as the other ones. Well, yeah, they specifically didn't even roll this keyboard out to fix the problem, so I assume there will be the same ones. Because it was never a problem. Right, I got to put the Apple hat back on. Do you have a sense that if it's more than like a year old, it's exponentially more likely to fail unnaturally? Or is it age-related at all? I don't know. I think it's even age-related. Because some people showing up with this have had it for six or eight months, and they'll show up and ask if we can fix it, because they don't want to wait a week or two for the Apple Store to do it. Hmm. Weird. Not good. Well, just like iPhone 4, just don't hold it that way. Yeah. It's just this really weird level of utopianism where I think, like, it honestly reminds me of what my history teacher used to talk about with Russia and the Soviet Union, where somebody would be called a counterrevolutionary because they did something wrong, and that guy would get thrown in prison, and then the guy that was throwing him in prison would wind up getting thrown in prison by somebody else. But like somebody will say, my machine is getting really hot, and I get lines on the screen. And they'll say, why didn't you get Apple Care? If you had Apple Care, then it would have been covered. And then the guy that says that winds up one day out of Apple Care with a machine where it'll just start randomly crashing. And he's like, oh my god, maybe that other person was right. But then he'll post in the forum, and they'll go, why didn't you get it? They released a replacement program for it. Why didn't you get it? And one of the funny things was the 2010 MacBook, where it had a crashing problem because they used the wrong capacitor. They released the replacement program in 2013 that only covered the machine three years from the date of purchase. And the machine was manufactured in 2010. So if you were sitting there going F5, F5, F5, F5 on their warranty page, maybe you would be able to get it. But if you believe that Apple products are this great, because in some ways they are, they're easy to use, they use PCI Express SSDs in 2013, they have really great screens, they don't crash as often if you're comparing its older windows, and something goes wrong, you really don't want to believe that the product is bad. So you either have to admit that they have faults, or you have to deny your own experience. And what drives me nuts is when people will actually believe I'm typing on it wrong, I'm holding it wrong, I'm encoding video on it wrong. And that's what drives me nuts. It's not that the product itself is terrible, it's that when something goes wrong with it, people will just treat themselves as if they did something wrong, rather than if the company did something wrong. Because they truly believe the product is fail-proof. Yeah, it's not like other companies don't have faults too, it's just if somebody buys an HP and that happens, they will yell at HP. But if something happens with an Apple product and it's the same fault, they'll just believe that they did something wrong, and it drives me up a wall. Yeah, and it's a frustrating experience too, because I've generally liked Apple's ecosystem, because I will send certain people there. For instance, my mom, I tried to get her to get an iPhone, then she got used to Android, so there's no point in trying to flip that over again. But I tried to get her to get an iPhone, because like you said, they're quite easy to use, they're usually fairly intuitive, all that kind of stuff. But then when you start having these problems, it's like, oh, okay. You're spending, with this new Macbook, up to like $7,000, if you want to get the crazy max tier. Oh, they get pretty expensive. You can get six cores, 32 gigs of RAM, like four terabyte SSDs, so you can get the specs ridiculously high, which is, I guess, part of the factor. Because any time you tier up anything in Apple's customizer, it's really expensive. And there are some things that they do well. If David Bowie was coming back to life for 20 minutes, and I have one chance to record you've been around again, I would want to do it on a Mac, not Windows 10. It's just I don't want to deal with all these other problems. Windows 10 might try to, you know, like use Cortana or update. Yeah, yeah, some nonsense like that. Man, okay, so for LTX, which is tomorrow, we have two guests here from the forum, two guys that I've never met before, which I think is actually really cool that they're coming. I haven't seen them yet, but two admins on the forum. And one of them came over here with his business laptop, and he had a Windows update hit him while he was here, and it bricked his Windows. I don't remember the exact details, but he had to rush here in the morning and borrow a computer in a flash drive so that he could get Windows onto a flash drive so he could completely reformat everything so he could keep working. Microsoft genuinely earned the reputation that they have, and they earned the people that will put up with this nonsense from Apple just to escape it. I completely understand it. Well, I've had two systems completely fail on update to the point to where the system was completely unstable. And I remember getting Windows Vista with a new machine where when it first came out, you couldn't even run programs without running an update. You would just try to open a new browser, and it would just sit there, and then 20 minutes later it would open. Yeah. It was like, I don't know. Really bad. My computer was one of the, admittedly, I guess probably over the overall spectrum of the amount of people that had this happen to them, not that high percentage, but my computer was one of the ones that when they forced the upgrade to Windows 10, I wasn't even at home. I had denied the upgrade so many times. Then I was at work, and while I was at work, my computer upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10 and it bricked itself. That was when they implemented the, like, click here now before this countdown is gone if you don't want it, you know, because they knew people were leaving their systems on, walking away, going to work, whatever. You'd come back suddenly mid-update. And I had even ran the scripts that are supposed to stop it, but then they'd release some update that would get around that, and it was just very frustrating. One thing I've enjoyed this entire conversation is that Wendell has been almost silent. I take it this way. If Wendell hasn't said anything yet, we're not wrong. Well, no, yeah, okay, yeah, I agree with that, but the Linux man is just like, Linux, there are systems that have uptimes of, like, 600 days, which is actually really bad because there are kernel updates and security updates and stuff like that, so those machines are potentially a top-flood Mary, but yeah, 600 days of uptime. Yeah. I like running Windows in a virtual machine because then it's like, oh, look, Windows Update broke itself. I can just hit a button, and it's like, oh, look, it's the way that it was yesterday. Nice try, Microsoft, you failed. One of the things we're actually working on back in my studio right now is, he landed on my hand right now, so we're going to get him. Okay, okay, he's back. We're actually going to do some rollbacks and force updates, and we're going to do comparative benchmarks to see how much it actually impacts your system, both high-end and low-end, because there's times when we're doing benchmarks, and we're like, what the heck, suddenly something's weird, and we start going really super-stuttery or something, and we realize, oh, look, a background process update's happening, and it's eating 25% of our resources. Yeah, Anintek ran into that with their Zen Plus coverage. Yeah. The Rise of the Tomb Raider and a whole bunch of games were running as good or slightly better on AMD than Intel, and it was because they had the high-precision timer, which reading and writing from hardware registers triggers the meltdown specter mitigations more, I guess. Yeah. So depending on what you're doing, you could have a significant reduction in performance. Right. It's an interesting situation. Do you want to talk a little bit about, not too much, because we got a video to release, but do you want to talk a little bit about what you were doing here with Anthony earlier in the week? It was exciting! Yeah. I spent Monday and Tuesday with Anthony doing Linux stuff, and it's Linux on gaming, gaming on Linux, and so we look at native Linux on gaming, which is pretty cool. It basically works. And then gaming through wrappers like wine and all the various flavors of that, running 12 different versions of wine at the same time easily. And then finally virtualization and the horizon for doing everything through a virtual machine and not really sacrificing anything in terms of performance. So I'm really looking forward to that. That'll be really good. We'll have companion guides and stuff on the forum for like really nitty-gritty step-by-step if you want to do Fedora or Ubuntu or Arch or whatever. And everything he just said is why we were talking earlier about how Apple is sometimes more easily accessible. Like 12 different versions of wine. Oh, so you're running a game for Mac? Well, you're going to have to do the Metal API. Sorry. It's gotten a lot better now. Like compared to, let's say, 15 years ago, if you wanted to do a digital audio workstation, Linux was terrible for it. But it's gotten a lot better. Yeah. It's not, you know... Yeah, it's still got some rough edges. I extremely rarely do the hip things and go to clubs and stuff. But the only time I ever will is for one of my friends on his birthday. And we went to one place and I noticed that the DJ had a giant MSI laptop with an full RGB keyboard and stuff. And I was even thinking like, that's just like weird. Like I took a photo because I was like, oh, it's cool. Usually it's a MacBook. But it's usually a MacBook. It was one of the like thick ones because I believe it was one of the mechanical keyboard ones. So like this huge, massive, cumbersome laptop that he brings to shows. I firmly believe that this like we want laptops to stand as paper. I don't think that a lot of consumers really want that. I think consumers like thin and light. But I think if you tell a consumer, hey, you can get five more years out of this machine if it's got a replaceable keyboard and it's just a hair thicker. That doesn't seem unreasonable. You've talked about this a bunch with phones, not to admit that I watch a huge amount of your content and have since way before I made videos. But you're talking about how you see a lot of reviewers review a phone and it's different than consumers looking at a phone. Yeah, because thickness, plastic backs, all that kind of stuff. There's this big disconnect when I read a review and then when I talk to people who come in and say what they want on a phone just while, you know, let's say we're fixing somebody's phone. We can have a 15 minute conversation. I've never heard a normal person that I've met in real life talk about the bezel of a phone. Every single reviewer, they'll spend two or three paragraphs talking about the bezel, like, you know, how it goes out to the end and how we find no casing at all. I've never heard somebody talk about that or care. You know, in real life, they think, you know, it would be nice if I dropped my phone from here to here that it not break. They don't care about the bezel or they'll say the back is made of premium materials, but the regular person will say I can see fingerprints. That's ugly. Yeah, or we're going to stick in the case anyway. Yeah. And it has to, you know, like a phone like this has to go in a case because it's it'll crack if I go from here to here. And the back of it looks nice. But if I actually touch it, you can feel the only thing I care about with bezel is whether or not it's slippery by without a case. Yeah. And the things are getting more slick over time. You know, and that's that's always bugged me. But other than that, it's why you don't really see phone reviews on my channel, because I'm one of those people that just don't care about any of that. And if you saw the phone, imagine if you say I think that if you put it in a bullet point two years from now, it will still work. The battery can be replaced and it's not going to slow down too terribly that somebody may actually consider buying it over something else. You know, you have an extra eighth of a millimeter, but you can replace the battery. I have a LG G5 for just that reason. It's no ancient by today's standards, but removable battery and metal back and still has a fingerprint sensor. And it's not like super. And I see a lot of people say, yeah, but in two years you're going to get a new phone anyway. It's OK. You may get a new phone anyway in two years. But somebody that doesn't want to spend an extra two or four hundred dollars isn't. Yeah, I think I used to be I'm sorry. I used to be an annual up grader, but not anymore. I'll go I'll go two years plus. And usually the only thing that will make me upgrade is if I start seeing battery degradation. That's only because I've been on iPhone for the longest time now. It's because it's super simple and that's only because it's not easy to service battery swaps, you know, for an average consumer. I think I think that design kind of peaked around probably the Galaxy S3 because removable battery, upgradeable storage and still had a plastic back. Yeah. And there were cases for that you could replace the back like you get you take the back off and have like a leather back if you want it. Well, when I was still working in IT, we had an entire fleet of S3s out there and you could do the extended battery with the extended back cover. You know, we were sending those out to the field. Yeah, I don't know why that went out of vogue. A lot of people said, well, the battery life on modern phones is good enough that you don't need a second battery to get through the day. But that totally ignores the fact that after it's not even that, that's not even the issue so much as it is one year or two years later when it really has any battery life. I want that. I'm going to keep this thing for longer than two years. Let's drop the battery out. No reason to buy it. And I think more people would buy it if you actually advertise that. And I haven't seen anybody advertise longevity as a feature. No, but it could be. One thing in Twitch chat, I posted a poll because I'm interested on the exact percentages, at least for our audience, which is a terrible section if we want to be scientific, but whatever. I want to see the exact percentages of people that care about ultra thin bezels. So check straw poll in the chat and S3 specifically. I have one interesting story with that that ties into what you're talking about with it should be able to fall. I was I was at university and I was late for class, so I was sprinting and I ran down a huge set of steps and I had too much momentum. And there was one of those like polls that stopped cars from going into areas. So I decided I'll just hop over it and I jump. And I remember that my as I'm midair remember that my phone is in my sweater pocket, not in my jeans pocket. It goes flying smacks into the ground. The battery goes one way. The back goes the other way. The rest of the phone goes the other way. Tiny chip in the corner. Put everything back together. Turn it back on. Works perfectly. What phone was that? S3. That was a hard phone to break. Yeah. And then like I think one of the things that actually helps is that it kind of explodes. And it like said, I can't remember the correct terminology for it, but the force of the impact goes with each part and lets it blow out. Was it the S3, one of the earlier Gorilla Glass phones? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When that actually meant something. Yeah. Before they kept making the Gorilla Glass thinner, which then just made it as brittle as anything else. Yeah. Well, with the G5 where it's got the replaceable battery and still kind of modern, I've replaced the battery in it twice. I mean, it was basically a launch day phone and you just slide it out and slide a new battery in. It's eight bucks from China. Yeah. That's the other thing. You can get those batteries so cheap if you buy them third party. So the poll results for people that didn't click on results when they ended is about 78% of people do not care about ultra thin bezels. And 28, well, I guess, yeah, 22% of people do. That's the audience of people watching a TechReview channel. Yeah. So it's skewed, but I don't necessarily know in what direction. It's still it's such a high percentage that like we've seen it though. We've seen these early polls. You let them go for five minutes or five days. It tends to whatever like the first few minutes ratio. It won't change a ton. Yeah. It'll generally stay there. Yep. Yep. So like I and well, the thing is, if you if you expose that poll to a much different audience, it might shift it a bit more. I kind of doubt it. I've had a similar experience. I'm sure you've talked to more people about it. But I've had a similar experience talking to just friends and family. Yeah. Like what would you want in a phone? I remember reading so many phone reviews for this. And I saw one Eli the computer guy clip of a video very, you know, with his $500 camera pointing at it saying, this is me loading Google Maps. This is it not lagging. And I just thought sold. Yeah, that's all I really care about. The things that I do every day when I go to, you know, hail an Uber. Is it going to take forever when I want to scroll around? Is it going to take forever? Is this does the battery last? You know, things with phones these days that can like play relatively decent graphic fidelity games that relatively decent frame rates like they can probably open Uber and Google Maps relatively easily. I just feel like we've progressed so far in the mobile computing technologies and the passings are like the early days of smartphones. Back when I had my Blackberry Storm and the Droid one was out and the iPhone three and three G or three GS. You know, it's like back then it was a big deal. Like this one scrolls smoother where the Android was choppy and stuff where obviously there was big variance between the devices. But now everything's so damn close. Yeah. It's really hard to differentiate a winner. It really comes down to the to the interface. I think the interface battle is the thing that keeps Android iPhone. And then I think like surprised Blackberry is still around. You're the only other person I've met that had a storm. That was I had a storm because how did you feel about the first generation storm? It was terrible. I never used I never used the because I think I had a physical keyboard too if I remember correctly. That was no there was no physical. That was the one that clicked. That's right. It had the click. The whole screen went. Yeah. But it only had one button in the middle. Right. As you got further out to the edge. You got a little bit. I got it because I mean I was on Verizon and we didn't have any other options at the time. Yeah. You know iPhone obviously didn't come to Verizon until the forest was out. And then it lagged so badly. Right. And then seven minutes. So as soon as the droid one the original droid came out I replaced the Blackberry with that. And then I carried both iPhone and Samsung at work for quite a while. So I've got a very unique perspective of at least back in 2013 what it was like to be a dual wielder. Yeah. Yeah. I never had any experience on the other side of the road back then. But I remember when like the first Android butter update came out. That like that was the biggest deal I had seen in a while because it massively. I think Claire was like one of the first ones I was on. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. OK. You know what phone was massively underrated was the last generation T-Mobile sidekick. I heard a lot of people really liked it. Yeah. It ran Java which is like you would think it would be a pile of garbage because Java it's especially in those days because that was before Android. But the thing with a phone is that if it does what you wanted to do really well that it's a really good phone. It doesn't need to be a status symbol. The sidekick was kind of like it looked like a toy but had a good keyboard and the screen was decent. But it also had a color LCD that was reflective. So you're not going to get like photorealistic color but you could get color. And so the battery life would last forever like days because it wasn't actually having a backlight unless it was dark outside. You meant you mentioned status symbol to you. Here's a here's a struggle might be interesting. How many people choose a phone based on it being an accessory or a status thing. Yeah. Right. I think a lot of people choose their phone based on where people are going to think of my phone. I think it's kind of sad but I feel like there's a good percentage of people that care about that. How many people are going to admit to that though. Very few. It's not really much of a problem anymore. But there was there was a while there where like the pricey phones couldn't connect to like corporate email and stuff like that. Right. And so I was on the receiving end of that and it's like you need to get this phone or this phone if you wanted to work properly with your email system and they're like I'm going to buy this because it looks like I'm wealthy. That was one of the reasons why I had the blackberry to begin with because when I was working in software at the time in our IT department we had all of our own mail servers and stuff it wasn't through standard popper and that stuff. It was the phone that could connect to it. But I'll be the first to admit that one of the reasons why I got iPhone back when it first came to Verizon was simply because it was something I couldn't get before. And suddenly I could and everyone had it and I wanted it because of that. And I literally it's just stayed with it ever since because I got used to it and I'm comfortable. I'm not really a mobile power user and I don't need anything crazy. But I've gone for it was not completely unusable but the iPhone one that didn't have copy paste. I just can't imagine that world. Yeah see I joined long after that obviously. Speaking of not being able to imagine that world we'll start from over here and go across. What was your favorite phone like at that point in time I guess. At that point in time I think the HTC incredible in 2010 because the other Android phones were slow and clunky. I was coming from a Blackberry storm so six minute boot time opening browser takes a minute every time you do something it stutters and I got that phone and when I would tap something it just opened immediately. There was no lag. I'm sure if I upgraded to a new version of Android with it or a newer I shouldn't say new. Yeah slow. Yeah and it also actually fit in your hand comfortably. Right. Very few phones will fit in my hand comfortably now because they're large. Just really big. Yeah Linus yeah Linus has a similar problem to that he likes old iPhones because they're much smaller. What about you. I've never had a phone that I like for more than six months. Like it's okay for six months and then with the software updates and whatever I'm doing to it it starts to run really bad. Okay what phone had the best six month period then. Probably the T-Mobile sidekick. Yeah like the very last generation one because you could really quickly switch between a bunch of tasks the web browsing wasn't terrible instant messaging wasn't terrible email was pretty good. There was a there was one device before that that was like really it was a little before that era was the it was like a Motorola pager thing. It was not a phone. That thing was awesome. I don't remember what it was. I had that before I had a cell phone and that was like because then people could call me. It was great. Mine would probably be my S3 I'm going to be easy. Basically that story was awesome. The thing was a tank. I had it for so long. I think it still works. We got close. I know. We I had that phone for a very very long time. I hit him did you see it hit the ground. He spiraled and he came back up. You won't actually hit him. Got him. But he's not dead. He spiraled and he keep flew back up. I think we're at one level. He's going to get sucked into that machine and be on one of the fans with all the friends. You guys can't see it but that that that fangirl is pretty gnarly. Yeah he's right there. There's another one right there. There's another one. Yeah there's two. There's three. I was so excited. I felt like my leg was going to be the death platform for this fly and I was I was stoked. But yeah my S3. What about you. I really liked the S3 just because it was a good size improvement but I don't want to copy your answer. So probably my original droid because I actually played around back then with a lot of rooting. Yeah. I'm actually wrote my own soundboard app back then for like playing my daughter's first words. I wrote that for my wife so she could have it on her phone. And so it was a lot of fun. But then I think back then obviously there was a lot of limitations to their first moto droid and battery life kind of sucked and early Android wasn't as smooth. It was clunky. It took them like a year to make touch with not a giant oligarch. But my problem with the Samsung phones was the amount of blow where they came with. Yeah. So that drives me nuts. Yeah. I've never. That's one reason why I'm on a pixel right now. It's just the stock experience is always preferred. Most most other phones that I've had I've tried as hard as I possibly can to revert it to a stock based experience. I do not like any of the custom you eyes. I don't like any of that kind of stuff. It's all it's all garbage. This phone's too amazing. Let's crap it up boys. Yeah. I don't think I've never seen somebody asking us. I would like this phone to run slower. Please add your own software to it. You've never seen anybody ask for the big I would like a little bit more like it's kind of like it's kind of like laptops now. I can't size notorious for crap ton of dashboards and bloatware and stuff. You know it's like you get rid of all that stuff. It's a good experience. But otherwise when you work in a shop that sells not necessarily a repair shop but when you work in a shop that sells laptops and one of your main services is making them not junk out of the box. That's that's like a weird weird place to be. We have poll results for the question. Not surprising. I don't think it's true at all. Choose based on status. Oh yeah definitely. Those people are lying. Well it might be a little bit of lying. It might be a little bit of subconscious shifting where you've decided that you want that phone because of status anyways and you'll justify it because of performance or future reasons. And I think probably the strongest factor is that the audience that we have. Well there's smartphone empty too right. If you have a crappy phone the guy next to you pulls out the latest version you're kind of like oh right. I want that. And the same thing if you've got the latest one you kind of want to be like everyone look at my phone. You know I mean it's it's sad but it really is like an accessory. Yeah yeah yeah. But like again with our audience though it's a bunch of PC performance freaks. I'm not that surprised that PC performance freaks want high performance and high feature phones. If we did this survey across everyone on the planet and everyone answered honestly I bet you'd state it would probably be higher than anything else. Probably. But with this audience and with natural skewing I'm not surprised it was 95 percent. Would people really admit that because then they have to admit to themselves I spent an extra four hundred dollars for status and that's not a pill that I think most people would swallow. Yeah it's it's it's an interesting question like the do you buy things for for like like functionality over aesthetic or aesthetic over functionality. I think a lot of people will say that they buy something for functionality but they might even be buying the aesthetic of functionality if that makes sense. Yeah if something looks like it's highly functional then they want that thing. It's a really interesting mind game scenario because you might be convincing yourself of something and not even realize it. There's a dimension of that that's sort of related which is taking your customizations and your settings and stuff. And that has always been like if you spend a lot of time customizing your phone or customizing whatever it is to make it exactly just so you'll be punished because every time there's an update or every time you switch phones it is super difficult to get all those customizations from one device to another and it shouldn't be. Yeah that's one of the few things I liked about Apple's operating system is that when you use migration assistant and time machine it just copies everything every app even the settings within your applications will get all even your third party applications all get copied over perfectly. It's really one of the reasons why I stayed on iOS for so long was simply because new phone copy from previous backup you know restore up and running and everything's exactly how I left it. I don't even use the ecosystem. I don't have a watch. I don't have an Apple TV thing. I don't have anything. I have no other part of the ecosystem. I even have a MacBook but even they aren't connected. Yeah Microsoft really screwed the pooch with the registry because the registry was supposed to be that and also your application data folder and like theoretically you can move that between machines but in reality you can't. It ends badly every time. Yeah. You can copy certain features of certain applications but not everything and you have to reinstall the applications yourself. I noticed that when when you upgrade to a new phone new device right. It doesn't save the apps or anything. It saves the app data and then re downloads the apps fresh and then repopulates data. Yeah. Which before it used to be like you said a direct copy which was even I believe in the earlier days was even copying the battery data which was making new batteries perform like poor batteries because of that efficiency scale. Yeah. So I did notice that when I upgraded this one. Yeah. That was one of the worst things like working in a like computer shop and you'd be doing services and you someone would buy a new computer and they'd want to data transfer and I try to because I tried to be at least somewhat honest I would try to explain to them is pretty easy to do on your own. But if they wanted it anyways. Sure whatever sounds good and you go to do it and then you have to tell them that they can't bring any of their programs and there's just that kind of that's a 20 minute conversation and there's like this ratio where like as the customer is older. The customer is older the conversation is longer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There is. Yeah. And then you have to explain well you have to remember your own Wi Fi password and you'll have to do this and that because we do data recovery and sometimes we can recover it to where you can do. You can use migration assistant when you get all the programs and sometimes you can't and I'm just copying your data folder from here to here and a lot of people even if I explain to them you have to reinstall your programs your settings will not be the same when they show up they go. Where's my where's my stuff. Yeah. It's all in this folder like your music is in the music folder. Okay. But first the library. And it's like well no it's in there you just got a little bit. Yeah I've had people actually break down with tears because they didn't remember their email password. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Password was in the I can't get you that. It's like yeah. And the email password is an interesting one too because one of the biggest things is is like they won't have a password manager. They won't have written their passwords down which I guess that's good but they won't know how to log into anything. Yeah. And it's just like whoo. It's painful carrying those sessions over would be super nice. Yeah. What they're paying for is not for you to transfer the data they're paying for the half hour conversation you're going to have about every single program. Yeah. Yeah. There's some people that it's it's literally it's just not even worth upgrading the computer because they would just lose all their stuff. Yeah. It's like okay well I guess I'll deal with a slow terrible experience because it's better than losing all my programs and all my settings and all my logins and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. And that especially winds up being true in broadcast or me in the music business because people will have certain plugins. And if you upgrade to a new operating system they won't they won't work anymore and you'll have to find alternatives or this program like once they get a rig that works it works and they just they want to keep it as it is. And that stuff can cost a lot. Yeah. Like a new operating system will mess up. This is always used to happen with OS 10 and Pro Tools. New OS Pro Tools wouldn't work right or it's just that stuff can be a nightmare for people. Yeah. The copy protection. They bury things somewhere on the system. And sometimes it's just a software compatibility thing. Both of those things are terrible. What is it like on Linux. I've never actually tried every single Linux version that I've had has been full pure from scratch every time. So that's it. That's an interesting question. Never tried to migrate from machine. Mostly it's OK. So like I have I have a file that customizes the command line and provide some aliases and shortcuts and stuff like that. And I've been working on that for 20 years and I've never lost it and it's great and it's just like the best thing ever. So it's like literally 20 years of preferences in that file. Other stuff. That's the most Linux thing I've ever heard. Other stuff not so good. Like other stuff the migration is a little bit more of a pain. One of the things Ubuntu has done recently is they have this thing called snaps. And so because you like you have this version of this library that this program needs and you need a slightly different version of that library for some older program that can be problematic to run those combinations of things. And so one of the things that snaps does for you is that it packages all of your dependencies inside this file which uses more space but makes it the way that you have to worry about being able to run those things less. So in terms of like I want to migrate all my programs and just be able to run it with those kinds of technologies. Generally you're a lot more successful but like a lot of the things with like Caden live. Caden lives a great example because we get lots of support requests for Caden live on our forum came live is a great program but 90 percent of the problems with Caden live not actually Caden live. It's the libraries. There are bugs in the libraries and so you can have audio sync issues and things like that. And that is just the libraries on the system. And so snaps can help with stuff like that on Ubuntu and other technologies and other distros can help with that. So it's very user respecting but it's still not quite as slick of a solution as it could be. Right. I am going to take this slight intermission to do something that I actually completely forgot that I had to do, which is sponsors. So just give me a sec guys. Sorry. First up we have private Internet access. Private Internet access is a VPN. You guys probably know what it is at this point. 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Yeah I've done that for the entire rest of the show sometimes before. Are you going to be at LTX. Are you going to be cool. Yeah yeah yeah. I wasn't sure. He's going to offer to break your iPhone and then fix it. Oh boy I don't have an iPhone. Now I want to go get one because that would be cool. If you see Lewis. He offers her apps up. He'll smash your screen and replace it on site. Nice. That would be great. Are you doing something at a booth. Or are you just kind of wandering around hanging out. I wasn't even informed. Anyone sitting here was going to be here until like the beginning of this week and then I only knew you were going to be here until today. So I'm actually quite excited. We talked about that earlier. I actually knew for three months. Yeah. Communication around these parts is just absolutely fantastic. Yeah. I just thought I knew how to open or close an iMac. Oh. Was that his whole. OK. I told him like yeah you realize I've had employees to like put those back together for the past five years. You don't know how to open or close this. And I said. Figure it out. Yeah. I'll just grab the board and go click and he goes. And then the whole thing started shipping. That was. Oh yeah. When I was just. I don't think it's fitting in. I'm like yeah let me just push it hard. No spoilers. I legit got anxiety watching you guys work on that iMac. I turned around and sat down on the wall. I didn't even like I was out of sight because I was getting anxious watching. I gave him the same service that I give every customer. That's the that's the best ad I think I've ever heard. No I've heard. That's like a nice store manager come to me and say can you stop like showing reading the letters that customers write on screen because I'll be sitting there fixing a board and I'll go oh this thunderbolt doesn't look good. Yoink. Or the other USB circuit looks methamphet. Well you can always put that stuff back on. You don't really need that. And I'm saying it's kind of a joke because I'm going to get rid of that circuit and I'll put it back on once it turns on. But there'll be people watching going oh my god what is he doing to my board. I think I'll call him and say is that my board on the screen that you just ripped all that stuff off. You should know what you're getting. That's fantastic. Why is everyone spamming numbers. I don't understand. I'm just going to mass ban people. Oh and people type F. I don't know what that means. That is F is pay respects. Oh yeah. Yeah people keep doing that. So that's a that's a Call of Duty meme where you like walk up to I believe they're lowering the coffin of your like friend into the ground. Or your friend and fellow soldier and you like you have to press F on your keyboard. Why don't you type R for respect. What is F. I think F is just like it's like an easy macro key. So if your fingers are on like W A S D. Yeah. Well usually the two interact keys in the game on a computer is E and F. I've never played Call of Duty. Oh everyone's spending F. I thought everyone is doing numbers and I was like all right I'm just going to go and start banning people. But you know what F is OK. Is it because the stream died. Oh it's just not showing here. This is OK. Yeah. My eyes aren't great. So I'm like trying to monitor the chat from here. You have good enough Internet that you could watch your own stream while you're streaming it. That's on two different devices. Oh yeah. You experienced New York Internet. I'm so sorry. If somebody if I play this dream while I'm watching it I'll get dropped frames. This guy from Rush actually made me a little plug in for open broadcaster. It'll say this many frames stolen by Time Warner with a little logo and it'll go up and it matches the open broadcaster count. It's bad. It's real bad. We've done news stories on it. It's so controlled. It's such like there's so many little agreements from all the little ISPs there that they don't compete with one another that there's basically no service or infrastructure upgrades the last 15 20 years. You either have Verizon DSL in my location which is three megabit down and point seven megabit up or you get Time Warner which is 20 megabit up half the time for four hundred nine plus tax. The hotel I'm staying at the hotel I'm staying at in Richmond right now gives me point six down point one up. I went to upload a video today using the connection upstairs and I thought oh it says six minutes remaining. I must have uploaded the wrong file audio by itself and it's like no that's 18 gigabytes and it says six minutes remaining. I get home it'll say yeah 14 hours your video will be. Yeah. That's weird because like we have I couldn't operate. Australia is horrible for Internet and I've been learning that doing the float plane stuff that I've been doing speaking of which sponsor spot float plane dot com. Heck yeah Scrap your words this weekend. I'm done. But it's like even just getting servers like renting a server in Australia is ludicrously expensive because the Internet is so crazy expensive and Canada has a similar problem of one of the problems that Australia has which is large landmass not a ton of people. They also have the problem of being kind of isolated and kind of off the main path of most of the undersea cables. But Canada's problem were all extremely spread out. We all of Canada has less population than just the state of California and then a massive country. So you put those two together and it's not a really great combination. Luckily we're all mostly nestled in these like cities that dot around the country. It's like Vancouver itself does pretty well. This place has 1000 down 1000 up my house my like random suburbia house has fiber 150 down 150 up all of them and I pay significantly less than you do. Four hundred nine a month is like it's four sixty something taxes four hundred nine a month for what four hundred sixty after it's 20 megabit up 300 megabit down but the 20 megabit up it's like sometimes 20 sometimes 10 sometimes five sometimes I actually had to get Verizon DSL along with the time Warner because the time Warner goes down so often that I got a P.F. sense router that will automatically switch over to the hundred dollar a month Verizon DSL when it dies so that I can still process credit cards. Wow. That's pretty typical for New York. Yes I expect the time Warner that costs four hundred nine a month to go down often enough that it's worth it to have another connection like me my studios in the greater L.A. area and I've got 300 by 300 fiber for 99. Yeah I'm paying I believe it's 99 but I had like a signing bonus lowered for a temporary period of time thing for a while now for my one there's a new construction a little bit like 30 minutes south of where I live and there were big old billboards as they were like you know getting the land ready that it's going to be it was a fiber community or gigabit community and it's like it was like 59 bucks a month. The other thing is on the commercial side so like a lot of commercial Internet is often much worse than residential Internet at the lower tier just because Verizon and time Warner and those companies they want at least 2500 dollars a month for the Internet connection even if the company's like and they try and guarantee that 99.9 percent uptime which is absolutely PG with something. Yeah. I get 99.9. I've had to put a sign up on the door enough times to say cash only no Internet. Yeah. That is so aggravating when you know that you're spending over 450 dollars on it. I was gonna say with both of those Internet connections. That's insane. Oh right. Is this local the L.T.X. only or can you buy this stuff online. No none of it. OK. So if you're watching this and are going to be at L.T.X. nice little combo you can get a tech linked pin and L.T.X. lanyard which has like some actually pretty cool graphics stuff on it and a little quick disconnect thing at the back. Oh my. This shirt which I've never seen before. Oh yeah I have. This is pretty cool. This is just like a straight up Linus Tech Tips shirt. What. Oh OK. This one's one of my favorite. I don't really understand why we did this but I think it's awesome. It's one of the editors. So this is one of the editors Dennis just making a face on a shirt. It's great. I personally love it but I can understand how some people might think it's a little little funky. Then I think we just have two other. Yeah. This is the Linus Tech Tips like circuit logo shirt. So is there special edition or limited edition graphics being given out or being sold at L.T.X. I believe so. Yeah. This is another one of the circuit designs. I thought there was another shirt as well but that might have been only for the VIP people. I'm not really sure. But yeah you can buy cool shirts at L.T.X. if you are watching this and going to be there and didn't notice that you could buy shirts and happen to see this. There we go. Best ad spot ever. Yeah. I think I'm going to say next. One thing that I want to get through I think we we might have time is because I always find this quite interesting and we'll again actually we'll switch it we'll go from this way over. What got you into computers and technology in general. My dad after the military he was a project manager and he was one of the he was one of the first I don't say pioneers but he was a VP a senior VP for a company that was building mainframes and doing you know crazy old school tape drive backups and stuff and he basically talked to the company was like guys we need to get off the mainframe and we need to get into computer project management computer based stuff PC stuff. And this was back in like 79 80 and they didn't listen to him. And of course the company went belly up because they were one of the leaders in the mainframe and then everyone was getting off the mainframe. And but he. So when when that happened he ended up going to business for himself writing project management software. And from my earliest memories I was always on his lap while he was on the computer doing his thing and he had no that he said the best thing he ever did for me was when I would try and touch the computer. He never was like no no no don't touch touch. He was always like he would save his work and just be like have fun just type away and mash on the keyboard. So he never once told me I couldn't touch anything. Right. So I've always done that with my kids and it's kind of gone you know three generation or two generations at this point now my youngest daughter now is she's three and a half and showing interest in the computer which is I think it's fantastic. Sure. So yeah it was it was just my dad and that was just life was computers and as long as I remember. So that's simple. I think I've told my story a million times so I'll do a very brief version of it. But I just wanted to play Diablo and the computer stopped working. So I learned how to fix it so I could keep playing Diablo and it's gone from there. There's there's longer versions but you've probably heard a million times. I don't really I mean I don't really know where to start. There was I find yours kind of interesting because you were like super in the middle of nowhere. Yeah I was super in the middle. The first event really that led to that was there was this old guy and well I was sort of bored in school and they're trying to figure out how to deal with that because it was like kindergarten or first grade or something. And there was an old guy visiting from the Stevens Institute and he's like all right let's figure this out. So we set up an Apple to to with like a wooden break to measure your reaction time when like you hit the thing it would there was like a basic program that would run and tell you what your reaction time was for like breaking in a car. And so he walked me through soldering wires into something inside the Apple to and then writing a program on the Apple to and doing all the stuff and it was like I have to learn more. And so you were in kindergarten in grade one. I was very young. Yeah. That's quite impressive project because I like took everything apart. I got in trouble for taking apart like the TV. Yeah. And in school which is what led to that. OK. I needed a machine to work on some sessions and logic pro and the studio that I was working at it closed down. So I bought a MacBook because I was broke used on eBay and it arrived broken. I got a discount on it. So I bought the screen that I needed to fix it. And then when I didn't need it anymore I sold it. And I realized I made a profit of two or three hundred dollars. So I thought let me do this again. So I was buying and reselling them for a month or two. Then I wanted to start offering the services to other people. I didn't think it was economically viable but then I realized the part is 80 to 90 dollars and Apple charges 1200 at the time to replace the entire screen assembly. So I just kept doing that over and over again. People started bringing liquid damage ones eventually. So I started sending them off to a company in China that would fix them. They were doing worse and worse job as time went on. So I figured if I've been working on recording studio equipment and consoles component level let me see if I can figure out how to do this. So after a lot of I think a few years of painfully messing around and failing a lot and recording a lot of it for YouTube. I got decent enough at it that I could offer it to regular customers. That was that. I think the YouTube thing started from making a video because reseller ratings was trying to up the rate by about a thousand percent. So I did a video on their process that got one hundred twenty thousand views that I thought would get 10. That was that. Cool. And you've mentioned audio stuff a few times this way and show. So what what was your involvement in the music industry. I worked at it. I went to Avatar Studios and I said that I would. I remember saying something like I would rather wash the toilets here than work at any other place for money. And I remember I showed up for my interview and the guy asked what is this thing that I have in my pocket. And it was a Seymour headphone amplifier that I put together myself from stuff that I bought on eBay. And he said you're hired. I think that was Roy Hendrickson that hired me. So I worked there and I cleaned the toilets and I cleaned the you know all the floors and the consoles and everything for three months. And then I after working for free after three months I got to work in the tech room with the other people working on SSL consoles. And you've consoles to rotate machines. And that was that cool. Sweet. It was fun. I think with that we are. Oh no we have about 10 minutes left. Let's see if there's any actual topics to talk about. No topics. No. Turns out recycling garbage in the poor part of the thing. That's also a really good way to get technology. That's how I got most of my first computers. It's like let's Frankenstein stuff together. I think I feel like most people that are into computers have a similar style. I think that's a good story that like my favorite one is I went to a like a country high school. We didn't have very much money especially not in the tech departments. And the way that we built a new computer lab because we needed one really badly because there's a lot of kids in the school that were interested in computers. Designed as a country school. So it's the most trades and stuff. The way we built a new computer lab was my teacher waited for the truck that went to all the different schools and picked up all their broken computers because they did it once every few years and called him the guy directly. I don't know how he got his number and diverted him to our school which originally he wasn't planning to go to. So we had no computers to give up. And he was like yeah we got some stuff just like leave the truck for a little while. And he left the truck and we offloaded everything that was on there which was like not supposed to happen. I'm not going to say your name but thank you very much. Teacher because I think the hard drives and stuff that were on there. Yeah but we took everything we shoved it all in one room and then my teacher was just like OK bye. Thank you. Leave now. And we spent the next few months that whole computer class just like we would lay out like oh my goodness. OK. This motherboard actually works. Let's find all the CPUs and all the RAM and everything that can go into this board and test all of it and mark everything as good or bad and like find all the use those to find all the motherboards that work and like blah blah blah blah. And we ended up building like one and a half computer labs. That was a really really cool project. We had I was accused by the time I made it to high school I was accused of Blackmagic because the local repair place would always replace the motherboard whenever a PS2 whenever a kid would something. The PS2 ports were really bad. It's like if you pull the keyboard the wrong way it blow the fuse on the motherboard. And so it was not surface mount it was through hole. It's really easy to replace. And I would be like well let's just crack it open take the motherboard out and replace the the through hole fuse and the local computer repair company was like Blackmagic Witchcraft burn him. Burn him at the stake. We got to replace the motherboard. We can't just repair them. That's like three cents. We can't do it. So yeah that was not fun in a poor high school where they can't afford a thousand bucks a machine to replace stuff. And you I'm just I don't know why I'm jumping back to this now. I kind of skimmed over it when you were first telling the story but you built a amplifier you said. It was a Seamoy. I mean they have all these guides in line and how to build them. It's a headphone amplifier that you build into an Altoid scan that's powered off a 9 volt battery. So what got you into that though. I just enjoyed high fi audio. OK. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you wanted to like kind of build some. Yeah. I just thought it was something cool to do on my spare time. And I've seen if I remember correctly you have those like the I mean you use the wrong term but the sound dampening panels. Yeah. I have the sound dampening panels. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In my office and at home. Yeah. Are you still into custom high fi stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. What's what's like the most recent custom high fi project you've done. I like just the Vandersteen set of speakers that I have at home. You really don't need really expensive stuff to make it sound good. You can find new stuff online like Vandersteen speakers for four hundred dollars a cheap amplifier and some of those corning 703 panels and it'll sound amazing. Yeah. I've actually been for a while now I've wanted to copy your your sound dampening panel project. You just can't have a cat because if you have a cat then. Yeah. Yeah. I don't. I don't. Yeah. They use it as a scratching post. They've made it that entire section of my apartment look like garbage. That's not the cat is cute so it gets away. You worked in I.T. for quite a while. I had several hats in that company but I worked very close. Well I started actually doing energy audits and stuff within the company and we also wrote our own software to run on various devices either iPads or the Samsung devices I mentioned. And we had major contracts with the power companies and then our I.T. department was extremely overworked and supporting all these devices upgrading and getting ready to go repairing them. And we also had our in-house software development team and then the more they realized that I was the guy that was actually going around in the field helping other people field people. So if you had a problem you had to call into the help desk right. And our help desk was three guys trying to support a company of 350 field agents and it was just like that could get overworked really easy. Yeah. And that was the same I.T. department of three was the same guys also building and managing our three countrywide systems. Countrywide six major cities VPN that kept all of our offices and communications. So if they were doing that or they were out of the data center or something we were just like down in person. Yeah. So I was the guy that everyone started calling out in the field to come help them if they had tech problems with their equipment or something was broken needed to be fixed. When the company realized I was doing that then they were like hey you want to manage our help desk. I was like I don't know. We'll see. So because they knew I had all the end user experience as well as the technical know how to keep it all working. Well once I got into that role. They realized I also knew an OK amount of coding and design from my dad being a software developer. So then they were like you want to be a part of our QC QA team and be a part of our automated testing. And I'm like wait so you want me to do help desk management and this. So basically I ended up having like these three hats at one time which really burned me out. To be honest I did that for almost 10 years. Right. And then that was when I started doing the YouTube thing and just kind of moved out of there. But it was fun. I learned a lot. Obviously it was unique to have this kind of a Venn diagram of experience. Right. All three of those aspects. You know development support and then end user which really gave me a unique understanding of what it's like from top to bottom when it comes to product testing and use. Yeah. So I try and take everything from a very practical perspective of how I approach tech. But I do have a very high level knowledge to on where a lot of it starts. And I try not to really go into any of that in my content because I leave stuff for that like Wendell and Gamers Nexus. Yeah. The guys who can actually communicate that in a manner which people can understand because I'm very good at practical use but I'm very bad at technical explanation. OK. So and I'm going to take something that you said and something that you explained. But so you got into YouTube because you wanted to kind of express annoyance from who was it customer reseller rating reseller ratings.com. And you mentioned that you started to get into YouTube at that time. But why did you start getting to YouTube. It was a dare. Oh someone dared me. So I was like yeah well I was live streaming Call of Duty 3 close call of quarters when it launched because Nick Coconut Monkey and I were good friends and we played that all the time. And I started live streaming it because when when it dropped for premium access early access he was like with a family on vacation he couldn't play it so he's all but hurt. So I basically was like OK I'll find out how to stream it so you can watch and see the early access. Another gentleman by the name of holiday doc came in and just randomly found my stream and he was a pretty well known like Call of Duty Codcaster for like MLG. And he just thought that I was funny and entertaining and we became friends. And after a couple of months he's like you should do YouTube. People would find like this tech stuff interesting because I became like the guy he asked PC questions to because he didn't know anything about PC. And then he was like you should do stuff like this on YouTube. I said and at the time I didn't know Linus Tech Tips. I didn't know people made livings on YouTube. I was this is 2012. I was super ignorant to what was going on. I think who the heck would watch a channel about computers. That sounds like the most boring thing anyone would ever spend their time doing. He's like well just try it. So I basically told him I'll try it. But when it fails will you leave me alone. He kept bugging me about doing it. And so I was like fine I'll try it. And then of course it just sort of steadily took off. And I've since like built him a computer and sent him parts. Yeah. It's one of those things where I only did it to show that it would not work. Yeah. And fast forward six years. It's now my it's now incorporated and it's now helping other people pay their bills because now I have employees. So it's crazy. I that's that's actually really cool. And I like the part where you sent him a computer and parts and stuff. That's kind of cool to pay it back. I got into YouTube because I was like really really into mechanical keyboards like before America really had very many mechanical that sounds rare. People like really into that. Yeah it there's there's forums dedicated to it and stuff. It's just not that big of a community. And I like I had my own like imported from Taiwan keyboard and all this kind of stuff. And I wanted to show it off because I was proud that I had finally actually gotten a mechanical keyboard instead of just researching them online all the time. So I filmed a video of that and then never released it. And now there's some people watching this have probably seen it but there's a video of Linus and I watching that video both just essentially make. Oh yeah. Because that was when it was like critiquing your first video like that. A lot of people are doing that. Yeah yeah. So we we critiqued a video that no one had seen because it was never released anywhere. Right. So that the director's commentary thing we were talking about like as it's airing and then you're so embarrassed because like oh my god I can't believe I said that. Yeah. You think like you nailed this video you go back and you look like wow I'm an idiot especially because I said something that was like factually incorrect. What was your first mechanical keyboard. DK nine thousand eight G two from Ducky. I see. I mean Ducky's a mouse. It's still the keyboard that yes I have my first was a. Razor black widow. Oh yeah. OK. I mean nothing super special but it was a blue switch without that was super cool until I started streaming. I still think that I don't care. People are going to deal with it. More bust. Do you use one. I do. OK. I've got a black model and actually actually that's cool. A fairly impressive collection of the SSK model and as well the numpad list ones. Yeah. I have a mass. I should be able to make it into about 80 if I only use the SSK. That's pretty sweet. The model and you know comp still makes the model in but it's a little lighter. It's not the same. Yeah. The earlier ones are better. The later ones. They've got a lot of money from like the health care industry and stuff. So you know comp is making higher quality products than they were even a couple of years ago. And there it's almost as good. But man those assets like it's nice. The only thing I really miss it are the extra keys. So I've had to like remap my keys for things on the right side of the keyboard. It's not bad. Yeah. I have one properly functioning model and but I generally don't use it. I've got a bunch of the ones with the num lock. You can totally have one. I would like the number pad. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. That'd be cool. I can even give you new inbox. I've got like four of those of like the original. Yeah. Holy cow. That would be pretty cool. I will. We'll talk later. But how do you get into YouTube. The very first video that I made was actually even before the thing like I used. Well it's a long story. But even before all of that there is a video that I'm surprised that no one found. And it was when Windows Vista came out. I was so angry I probably should have been medicated. And I was really worried about privacy and things like that. But I made a driver showing how Nvidia had completely screwed the pooch on 64 bit drivers under 64 bit Vista. They literally took their 32 bit driver and pasted it into a 64 bit rock rapper. I was so mad I could not see straight. I was seething with anger because it was like you know right up to the beta launch and video was like we're going to come out with a driver. And then after Vista went into production they were like OK cool here's our real driver. And it was still the same garbage that had been for like the last six months before that. And so there's a video on YouTube of me losing my mind and ranting about this horrible pile of garbage driver that doesn't work. And it'll work for five minutes and then crash. And the whole reason was that as soon as a program would try to do anything outside of that 32 bit address space with that 64 bit driver it would crash because it wasn't really a 64 bit driver. So there's that. And that's the very first thing I did on YouTube technically. I guess yeah if I want to be specific the very first stuff I did on YouTube was again this is the only reason why I thought of it even I usually forget about this. But you mentioned no one found it. So far no one has found this. I checked a little while ago and it was still there. I don't know why the titles are so bad. It's probably why people can't find it. But no clickbait here. But this was I used to do guides on how to get 100 percent sync in like Assassin's Creed levels. And like no one cared. It was great. So another thing I want to ask you about is you recently developed and started selling. Why am I forgetting the name of them right now. KVM. Yes. You like multi port KVM's with really really really high end features. So that was another thing that was made me almost as mad but not quite as mad as the Nvidia driver thing. That's why I brought it up. It was like all right. I can do something about this. This is a thing that I can fix because the world of KVM's for like 4K and like DisplayPort 60 Hertz. It's terrible. It's really terrible. And most I know of even now are still like VGA stuff. Yeah. And like the USB functionality is like it's designed for like the five dollar USB keyboard which has like one of three of the cheapest USB chips known to man. But if you get an RGB keyboard it doesn't work. Or if you've got like the Corsair keyboards once the driver loads there it's not even really a keyboard anymore. And so good luck getting that to work with the KVM. And so I just I found I found somebody in Taiwan that had basically the hardware that I needed. But I got them to tweak the hardware for me and I got to do software that solves the problems for people like us that would be trying to do things with the KVM that has you know 4K DisplayPort 1.2 whatever. And I basically already had a customer lined up for them so I was just sort of selling the seconds but they sold so well that we did two other runs. And it is shocking the people that have come out of the woodwork to buy the KVM's and generally it's done really well. Interestingly Macs are the things that have the biggest problem like the trash can Mac Pros don't actually follow the DisplayPort spec at all. No way. Yeah. So that's the most surprise no way I've ever heard. They're a little problematic with Macs. The modern Macs you have to use like a Thunderbolt dock that has like a DisplayPort socket. You can't just use a cheap cable. And I don't know what that's about. So I'm working on that. Yeah. I know that every MacBook with since the touch bar with the dongle if you use a dongle it's not the Apple dongle. These devices won't work. Yeah it's a rule. I had planned to do a real review of that and once I got to the point where I plugged it in and I realized the dongle didn't work unless you use the $80 one and the $30 one worked and the two other machines I had I just couldn't stop laughing. Well one of the design choices on the KVM is that it does not have a repeater. And so a lot of the signal is like a lot of the signal out of that DisplayPort cable is just barely enough that if it's going into the monitor it's fine. But if you send it in through the connector and then into the KVM which is like another four inches of cable and then back out again the signal noise ratio is not high enough for it to do a proper digital sync or whatever on that cable. And it's infuriating because the spec says that it should be able to push an unamplified cable that's like eight meters or something like that. And you're lucky to get four. I'd be interested in what chipsets the trashcan one uses because I think I've only opened one of those ever. It's a D300 but it goes through I think it goes through the board in the bottom and then back out the connector in the back and so they have a repeater or something in the board in the bottom and that's the problem. Oh yeah. Because if I like just solder a little dongle directly on the D300 it's fine. So you'd have to tell your customers to solder it directly to the Mac problem. Yeah it's some of the witchcraft after the D300 before it makes it out of the Mac. Some assembly and required. Yeah. You mentioned the like I think it was like four inches or whatever of cable within the within the box. That was a I'm going to tangent here a fair amount but that was a really interesting situation when USB 3 first started becoming popular and you'd have those cases that have front I.O. USB 3 but that were just cable extensions that would go all the way out the back of the case and plug into the back of your motherboard. And then you'd have people with really long USB 3 cables so you'd have people with like 15 feet worth of total actual distance for USB 3 and then it won't charge their freaking devices. That remains a problem on cases. I mean the front panel USB 3 is still hit and miss on a lot of cases. Yeah it's it's it's it's frustrating too when you were finally in the era where it isn't those weird extensions that have to go out the case and then into the motherboard in order to make it so you can plug in USB. But they some cases will still have USB just like header cables for USB 3 that you could plug into a different case like it's like why is it so long. This is actually really bad. But yeah most people don't know about that. That being said though I think we're going to cut it here because you have to grab a plane. I have a flight. Yeah. Yes. Get out of here. Thanks for watching the WAN show. This was a bit of a bit of a different way to do the WAN show. We half covered one topic but I think it was good. It was fun to talk about a whole bunch of different stuff. I'm going to let people shout out their channels again. So Lewis Rossman group. Well that's just two S's two N's. Level one text. Jace two cents. Perfect. There we go. I will see you guys next week. I will possibly see you guys at LTX. I'm going to enjoy some more of this. I'll be there tomorrow. Do it. That's your key. Yay. Private Internet access. For all your privates. Yay LTX. I need to get chilling scenes in open broadcast. Dude it's great. I have to do it manually. It sucks.