 And we're live folks it is the Revealing of the legendary slick himself, and we've got a lot of cool topics you want to just kind of say hi to everyone Hey everybody, how's it going? Ah Sorry, I actually haven't had a chance to eat dinner yet tonight So I hope that I hope it's okay with you guys if I just kind of now on something huh, so What I'd like to do is kick things off with a little bit of Q&A with With Slick himself if you guys aren't familiar with our Twitter handles we're actually only going to be monitoring my Twitter tonight, so you're going to want to go ahead and Ask any questions you have on Twitter, and I am going to take a little break and eat and slick is going to do some Q&A You know that's okay. I don't worry. I got this I got this talk at the camera. Don't talk to me All right, we're a full minute late with the live stream. How dare you you know what we have been Guys we have gone through hell and back to bring you this live stream because we actually had to shoot another video tonight with With what's like a brother actually you want to talk a little bit about that? My brother and my mom actually my mom is hosting a charity called Caregivers night out it's for caregivers of family members project. It's for caregivers or family members and whatnot They don't get paid for what they're doing so if you're taking care of Some sort of family member you don't get paid for it takes up all your time You don't really get any days to yourself. This is for you. It's more just in our area So it's more of a local thing, but my brother thought they help fund the event because There's dinner and everything included. It's all paid for by my family Brother thought he'd help fund the event by holding an online starcraft tournament, so it's $5 buy-in $2.50 goes towards the pot and $2.50 goes towards the charity and Yeah, it'll be just a fun event for everyone all right We have some questions for slick We love you slick that's not really a question here we go Okay, we're gonna pretend that someone asks like that there you go Build a computer or look into building a computer. There's tons of different places you can go oh, see in no Yes, how you got started how did I get started? I built a computer? When I got started NCX wasn't really around so I researched some parts online I went on to a couple forums I don't remember what they were at the time But just a whole bunch of old-school computer forums asked around for what parts people liked looked up reviews Performance reviews whatnot why did you want a computer? I'd be able to at the time I want to play Diablo yeah Okay, yeah, Diablo is pretty cool is that Diablo one at the time those Diablo 2 my dad had built a computer for Diablo 1 Awesome, but what else we got here guys you're late, which is getting out of control come on guys. I was like two minutes late Geez you guys are killing me here We're waiting very patiently for hours that come on guys It says okay here just to make this clear switch to full screen here, okay, if you go to twitch I always say when we will be live again and Well that's oh that's gonna get that's gonna get real confusing real fast See we'll be live again at the time Pacific time and the date so if you're ever wondering at what point We are going to be live again on the twitch channel. You can just check at any time So so I don't want to hear that you guys waited for hours for the stream because I told you when it was gonna be All right, let's do some more Twitter here Go ahead take it away slick Shut up to your mom okay, that's pretty cool Awesome Happy to your arm, okay? I was biking to school came down a hill went around a corner and As I came around the corner and a car came up right up beside me So we're both going on the corner together as we got around the corner, and I was coming into school I got pushed into the gutter. This was the first big day of fall so there's tons of wet leaves everywhere There's a ramp for people to walk up onto the sidewalk And I tried to turn up on there But I couldn't see because of all the leaves that were covering it was that the ramp actually still had a ledge about this Much instead of the sidewalks that was about that much so when I turned to try and go up on it My wheel went completely sideways And I went head over heels my bike and landed on the big curb right on my shoulder and then screwed up my hand as well So that was on Monday, so they're probably gonna want to know if your arm is broken my arm is not broken No bones are broken no fractures the muscles in my shoulder are pretty messed up, and there's a big cut and My fingers are quite cut up, but I can still move them so Cool story, bro Here we go guys we've got another question for slick I've got one brother no other siblings. He's quite interested in technology. He's got his own water-cooled cosmos to I Think you actually tweeted pictures of that right I have to eat pictures of that those are pretty early on but if you go To my Twitter and check out the pictures. They're some of the only pictures I have on there, so should be able to find it It's pretty sick so remember guys you can follow slick on Twitter at slick PC So yeah, I made these cool little Twitter tags for this week, which are very high-tech, and I made them in Photoshop All right, so slick why did you decide to show up this time I didn't Actually I Don't really necessarily care about showing myself. It's always been kind of a fun game for people to look for me in reflections I remember one of my favorite things was Closer to when I first started we had a video where in the background of the TV You could see me really well, so I came with the idea of putting random stuff on my head. We put a Shoe we put a shoe Yeah, and something else Yeah, it was a box or something and that was pretty fun because people got to guess what it was And I don't know some people you know it took a while, but then people started actually noticing it So that was uh pretty awesome. Yeah, okay Hmm I actually haven't heard of the 570 LX, but if it's basically similar to an h100 But with a thicker radiator, then it should just be yeah. Yeah pretty much like here So we'll collectively three thumbs up because you know Don't even try it. There's no point Okay, we got more questions Here's here's a good one No, I don't know Kind of simple, but I didn't really think it was that big of a deal It's it's Linus Tech Tips, so yeah Here's something okay. I've actually received You guys would be surprised I've actually received a ton of messages over the year sort of condemning my my disrespectful treatment of slick a Cameraman all these various sorts of characters so slick can you set the record straight once and for all were your any bitty feelings hurt? Bantra usually goes back and forth off camera There's there was a couple where people were like unsubscribing The one I remember was an I don't remember exactly what it was I think it was Make sure you're projecting it. I think it was the emisides at 77 g65 a Unboxing outside, and I was trying to cover up the Sun so there was a shadow on it so you could see right? Everybody said but people got pretty up about it No, because it was kind of it was kind of homo because you were really close to me So I was like I well okay. I was like this and I was unboxing something Your little clothes it was just it was one of those things it was like I thought you were gonna give me a man hug Oh Off-camera banter goes back and forth so I can totally understand how that might have looked on camera But it's actually fine once it's off-camera. I give them back sorry and just so you guys know like attached to my left foot I have like a blade that I've been sticking into it half And if he doesn't say that it's okay, then I was gonna like stab him so yeah All right, what else we got Um should be fine here. Hold on. Sorry should be fine. Try the Windows 7 drivers. They should work More questions about the arm. I'm a geek tweet is followed by oh Flip acid has a good question so for the h100 I we actually we actually shot an unboxing tonight I'm gonna go find it, but slick and probably explain what the differences New magnetic mounting hardware is pretty awesome So that you can easily switch out the hardware for if you want to end your Intel the new tubing is great It's really cool. Make sure you're projecting it the camera the radiator seems exactly the same the new fans are awesome A lot better than what they were before they're basically Of course our SP fans, but they're simplified a bit no more rubber mounting system. No more tube through there. No more ring Yeah, no color color Customization yeah, you can pop on and off show the magnetic Yeah, so you see so this is really cool guys, so it has three eighths inch tubing now, which is kind of awesome So you can see super thick tubing Okay, you can't see it at all but super thick tubing compared to what we had before and instead of those screws that you use to put the mounting hardware on it you just got a little clip that goes over top and It's held in place by a magnet so you can swap between the Intel and the AMD mounting hardware very very easily which is really cool So I mean that's a little cursor link. Yeah and cursor link and the Actual water block is very glossy now and that's pretty cool. Yeah, it looks sweet. I Mean glossy bothers me when it's a monitor bezel Yeah, but when you're not really touching it all the time or it's not really in like the rest. Yeah. Yeah I mean, it's sideways so it should have a hard time settling on there should be okay I think and positive airflow, but yeah guys will have an unboxing coming of the h100 very soon I'm gonna upload it sometime tonight after I upload the live stream video. So good question very good question All right Okay, Jared, what would you recommend for an MMO gaming mouse and an MMO gaming blue backlit keyboard? Well for one thing you're not giving us a lot of options with the MMO gaming blue backlit keyboard because you can either Try to dig up one of the legendary Logitech g15 gen ones Good luck with that because the people who have them are you know? Yeah, yeah, not not giving them up Or you could go with something like of course their k90 But the k90 has some compatibility issues with some motherboards unless they've received bios updates For a mouse my personal pick is still the Naga. I've used the g600 I've used the M90 and 90 is not bad, but I would still I would pick the Naga I'm not actually a huge fan of the more MMO branded mice and keyboards Okay, but I think we can all agree k90 is better than k60 yes I'll actually agree with that If you if you don't actually use the macro keys on the side of your keyboard because most people I know that have them Don't actually use them I know more a lot of people that I know that have MMO like they play a lot of MMOs And they like their MMO gear use the ones on the mouse, but not the keyboards if you use the ones on the mouse I know rat or mad cats is coming out with a new MMO mouse pretty soon There's k90 there's there's quite a few M90 yeah my bad M90 Did you try the g600 yet? No Just feels a little bit leggy to me like it's not the logitech one Yeah, yeah, I haven't tried it, but I've heard a lot of reviews about it being like tons of them It just it just doesn't feel quite right like even something like like m60 or m90 or g9 g9x those mice Yeah, g9x is awesome It's like twitch responsive, but then I notice I love logitech peripherals, but other than their g710 plus which recently came out there more recent stuff I'm not a huge fan of G710 plus is kind of outstanding It's pretty great actually and for keyboards in general if you're looking for a blue backlight keyboard if you want to be mechanical Check out Ducky or DECK. I know they both do blue backlights All right, we have a hundred and twenty three new interactions. Oh boy um Audigy 2 LS to a clero halo do people still buy a clero cards? Clero halo is an HT omega card right? I think so yeah, clero halo is a little bit on the outdated side. I mean it's still a very good quality card I'd probably go with something like Zonar st at this point though for a more modern modern solution that you know is going to keep getting driver support because with sound cards there's that super build quality which really doesn't change because Analog and even DAX to a certain point and not advancing nearly as fast as a lot of stuff But when it comes to driver support That's where you can run into issues with an obscure sound card And if you get the right sound card you can get swappable op amps and other things so you can actually change it a bit down the line Oh, yeah, that's true, too Um personally I'm not a big fan of the sort of dedicated phys ex card modern cards are so fast. It's kind of unnecessary um Ryan good question if you're upgrading to Windows 8 here. I'm gonna. Oh, it's not working. Okay two seconds guys, okay? Just like answer that question, and then I will fix this thing I personally still going to say it on my laptop just to more try it out because it's a develop my laptop is a permanent development suite for me I Don't see a huge difference. I don't actually use optical drives that often anymore I'm thinking about swapping out the optical drive on my laptop actually for an additional Hard driver SSD bay, so yeah, I would probably just download it and load it onto a USB okay Yeah, I think that pretty much covers it Okay, what are you eating Linus? Oh, I'm having a honey garlic honey garlic pork and and rice and broccoli and Okay, I thought the cat was trying to attack that oh here. We already covered this one awesome My net and 600 oh, okay. Here's a good question so What's his name? Gen P min big neuron asks my net and 900 or link sis new AC router So I'm gonna let I'm gonna let slick talk in a minute here, but first I want to jump to our YouTube.com X com so this is the channel that I maintain for NCIX. I'm gonna fix that there we go So this is the channel I maintain for NCIX this first. Oh shoot. Sorry guys. Okay. Sorry the audio should be fixed now This is the to see you guys are probably freaking out about it now This is the channel I maintain for NCIX, and we actually just did a video on Western Digital's my net family of routers and what we did is we actually went to Slick's house see here We are in Slick's house and I'm gonna go full screen so I'm gonna let you guys watch this segment because it's kind of interesting on the Western Digital my net N900 central router to see if it can handle anything we can throw at it pretty much His internet connection is 25 megabit down 2 megabit up, and we are absolutely hammering it We have Diablo 3 as well as another game updating right now We have an FTP download going on this notebook over a while. I'm gonna skip a bit here guys So basically here's uh here's me and slick With Netflix running and a Skype call going at the same time while we've got the network super loaded up in which we of course have permission for We are streaming. Ah yes, we have one of his other roommates You can actually see diesel here check this out You can see diesel right here filming behind the camera because that's my end of the Skype call Two utorrent clients running on separate PCs all running off the All right, so let's get back to let's get back to business so Slick what was your take because we actually tested the EA 4500 that's the cloud cloud router and the my net 900 So we did that we showed the test with the 900 but Take it away the 4500 was kind of insane to put it lightly We brought down the firmware right yeah, we're not using the cloud firmware on it We brought it off cloud firmware because neither of us are neither of us are a fan of cloud firmware We were running two or three you torrent connections that were all downloading and uploading We were downloading and uploading to an FTP. We had a roommate of mine streaming on Twitch We had just everything we could possibly a Skype call We had everything we could really think of to hammer the network and then if 4500 just didn't care It ran everything perfectly things were kind of insane But everything that we were actually doing actively was running seamlessly Now the original intention of the episode was to show like a head-to-head Because it was WD who asked us to do the episode about their fast track feature, which is QoS that is Maintenance free you just it's automatic automatic QoS So we were like okay Let's test it against something that doesn't have automatic QoS And we were expecting to be able to demonstrate like a huge difference in the prioritization now the my net Did prioritize the traffic the Netflix stream didn't degrade in quality and the Skype call was maintained But what happened was when we started to throw more stuff at it? The like the game pings when we tried it at the end was about a second on the my neck my net router playing League of Legends Yeah, we thousand ms So so what that meant was that it was the the prioritization was working But when we actually put it head-to-head against the link sis router it wasn't necessarily A good demonstration. Let's just put it that way so so pretty much the answer to that question I think is pretty straightforward. I would probably go with Okay, I don't think I would actually buy the AC router though because there's nothing AC unless you really want it But the EA 4500 is really great, and I'm expecting that the 6500 would be pretty much more of the same. Yeah Okay Yeah, see this this pretty much that pretty much summarizes the sentiments of anyone with with g15 Gen 1g 15 the best to gentoo. Yeah, you can have it. I Had an old g15 for a really really long time, and it took me like it took me like sorry I was looking down because I was depressed it took me like three months to pick a keyboard when it died because I was just So unhappy when it died, and I love mechanical keyboards, but there's just something about g15 like the original g15s That was just absolutely amazing I Still have it upstairs even though it's completely dead. I just kind of refused to get rid of it. I don't know Salim asks What's a good FPS gaming mouse? I like my g9x. I also like g500s like I've already said earlier. I'm a pretty big fan of logitech peripherals mainly their mice actually for keyboards I usually go for more mechanical ones, but I guess they have their 710 plus now. Yeah, but not in blue switches So I'd probably I'll wait for that. I'll wait for that But yeah, g9x I really like g500. I really like the meon x1 is also really good Yeah, as I will 60 is what I'm using these days. Well, that's the keyboard. Yeah, it's like they're the s mice Oh the naos 5,000 or 500 naos 500. Yeah, my wife uses a naos 3200. She really likes the ergonomics Yeah Okay, here we go. So two two quick questions here Won't the h100 iMagnet interfere with the motherboard or any hardware? No Universal scripts asked what is your opinion on Shh, sorry, that's the baby. What is your opinion on Windows 8? Strictly as a non touchscreen OS and actually slick spent more time with Windows 8 than I have so far. So take it away I really like the feel of it. Like when you search for programs and stuff it flows really well It seems to it feels very natural. Everything flows as you I miss arrow glass I miss arrow glass. I actually don't for a little while I did But I don't actually think it's that big of a deal because I I think the reason they took it out This is just purely speculation. I think the reason they took it out probably has nothing to do with it Not being better. Like I think it's way better. It's because it's all generalized So the tablets and phones would have a problem with it And you can feel that when you use it though That's that's the pet peeve I have about it You can tell when you do certain things that this was designed for a tablet. This was designed for a phone This was designed for a touchscreen So there's usually at least one more step to everything and it doesn't sound like a lot But when you go to shut your computer down and like I'm moving from class to class. I want to shut down really quickly When there's one extra step, it's just tedious and annoying Okay, riddle me this why do you need to shut down because it wakes and sleeps so fast But if you ever do need to shut down like for whatever reason if you wake and sleep, it's the same thing I've had some problems closing my tablet or my laptop and moving from class to class But that's more to do with the fact that I had a pre-release version of Windows 8 that I don't think had full functionality yet So that's probably it but back then I was constantly shutting down and going from class to class But no matter what you do, there's usually one more step or say if you want to open another notepad So if you already have a notepad open press start type notepad press enter It will just bring the notepad that you already have open forward on screen Instead of actually opening a new notepad like it did in all previous versions of Windows So instead you have to either go down a middle click on it with your mouse wheel or right click and create a new instance Which is just I liked the old way I don't know I'm not a huge fan of it as a non touchscreen desktop OS but yeah But you'll stubbornly use it I will stubbornly use it I will give it time I'm excited for service pack 1 Right I mean there's a couple little things that I'm kind of looking at going well if they just fixed this Then it would be a billion times better like the search Search right now you click search and then or you click the start menu and then you type in something And if you don't have the right type of thing that you're searching for selected it won't find anything So if you're looking for a setting like device manager or whatever you have to go under settings and its default is apps So it's just annoying you should just be able to type it and press enter But you have to type it and click on the thing and then yeah Yeah so on the other hand surface RT is amazing Surface RT is amazing there is other really cool things about Windows 8 too File transfers are awesome I know They're amazingly awesome Remember when we were trying to do those benchmarks with the A data drive on the Windows 7 machine And it was like just completely derping out I tried it on a Windows 8 machine It was like so easy I get a useful readable benchmark I mean I'm using Windows 8 for any kind of file transfer any kind of like storage benchmarks from now on That's just it Yeah no absolutely great shows you a perfect graphical map of how it's transferring They're possible which is amazing I absolutely love that I use that constantly All of that is just great the new task manager is awesome I love task manager and it even works on like the RT tablets and stuff which is kind of cool It's great like there is really really good things about it But there's also things that I'm not a huge fan of and they could fix that in further service packs or whatever So we'll see how it goes Okay so let's move into one of our discussion topics I don't know if you guys have heard about this already or if you haven't heard about this already But if you haven't then motherboards.org the channel If we just go motherboards or you know the one with with Elric Is no longer the motherboards.org channel with Elric So if you guys haven't seen this already check this out In the last couple days here we'll go on social blade Yeah this will probably be interesting So Elric left motherboards.org published a video on his other channel Tech Tomorrow or tomorrow tech I think it's Tech Tomorrow I think it might be tomorrow Okay it's one of the two Telling his subscribers to unsubscribe because his channel had been taken from him So in the last couple days In the last couple days he has shed thousands of subscribers So motherboards.org There we go Okay I got this I got this So check that out guys in the past couple days he has lost about 13,000 subscribers from the motherboards.org channel Which basically is I mean what are they even gonna do with it Like realistically think about this guys What if I was like fired from NCIX then I don't know slick would you do minus tech tips Probably not Okay so then hold on okay couple things guys So there's a lot of people in the Twitch chat and I'm here I'm gonna let you guys I'm gonna let you Twitch chat guys talk for a little bit here There's a lot of people in the Twitch chat that are saying you know well you know blah blah blah He wasn't that great anyway blah blah blah It's not really the point The point is it's very difficult to recast someone who is sort of the face And I'm not saying who was right and who was wrong because I have no idea But I mean would you watch for example actually okay what other channels do you even follow Okay time to live customs Would you watch it without TinyTomLogan No the only other guy I really watch is TinyTomLogan And the only reason why I watch him is if he goes so into depth of things So that I can't actually just get this from reading a little blurb And without him that channel's dead If he left for some reason it's his thing so he can't really be fired But if he left for some reason I would see no reason to watch any more videos The whole thing is branded on a person Like what was that TV show where the guy got fired because he smoked too much crack What? Oh Charlie Sheen Yeah when he left does anyone actually watch that show anymore I know right Ashton Kutcher Yeah as far as I've heard no one cares And Ashton Kutcher is apparently a good actor but no one cares The whole idea of the show is gone Right I don't know Okay so that was something we said we were going to talk about I want to talk about another thing so Everyone knows what this is And this of course looks like the same thing Which is of course a reason that Apple should get a lot of money Oh full So it's official The Galaxy S3 is the top sellingest smart phone ever or something like that right Yeah Okay What does that mean? I don't know Here's my okay here's my problem And I'm not an Apple fanboy at all But here's the thing S3 they spend on the hardware That much is clear So they design this phone maybe they take a lower margin on it at the beginning And they go okay we're going to put like a huge screen in it And we're going to like put like a super fast processor in it or whatever else But Would you argue that the build quality is better than an iPhone 4 or an iPhone 5? Not necessarily They're both really high build quality phones It's made of plastic So? What do you mean so? What's your favourite backing on Samsung monitors? Brushed aluminum or fake brushed aluminum? Okay but we're not talking about that We're talking about a phone It's really durable I've dropped it a couple times already can you tell? Probably if I look closely enough I don't think so Wow actually okay okay okay fine It's actually really like there's differences between plastic you know that Okay fine Forget phone then let's look at like notebooks then Okay notebooks? Apple spends on the build quality of their notebooks This is true I'm questionable I mean I had an HP Elite book for a while there that I was just kind of tinkering around with I was going wow this is built really well for a PC And then I kind of looked at it and I went yeah but it's priced like a Mac So I would make I guess I would make the argument that even if you're not getting sort of the hard brush back Or even if you're not getting whatever else I think there's an inherent value to build quality Yes but this has build quality I've dropped it quite a few times Okay fine Cement a couple times I'm not proud of that but it has What about the fact that Apple's phone is so much faster now? I have never had a single problem with speed with this phone I know but I've never had a single problem with speed from my iPhone 4 So does it matter? I can play a game and watch a video at the same time and neither of them lag I think that's good enough That's good enough for you So basically phones are as fast Okay there you go slick step tip of the day No I disagree Phones are as fast as they ever need to be I'm saying it's not slow I'm not saying it's as fast as it needs to be No one will ever need more than 512 kilobytes of RAM This phone has LTE Okay Are you running LTE? No Okay fine Let me put it this way let's move on to tablets then Okay Okay tablets I would argue that iPad absolutely smokes everything else Yeah I do like the Surface I like Yeah I was just going to say I do really like the Surface Let's go back to Android then Okay I'm not willing to fight for Android in the tablet market They just don't have it right now I will stand behind them with phones I like their phones I don't like the usability experience of an iPhone Okay I would argue that it's excellent but But not for me Have you ever used one? Yes I have Did you ever actually use one day to day? I have iPhone 3G my mom has it right now She uses it as an iPod I don't like it You have to sign into the app store every single freaking time I'm signing into my phone I just want to use my phone The only argument I've heard that that is actually viable is so that your kid can't go on their phone and buy a million different things There's parental controls in here You can turn on parental controls and make it so you just can't buy things Okay I don't think it's an excuse to add Let's go back to the battle I can win then Let's go back to tablets Tablets okay iPad 4 there's a lot of sort of there's a lot of people are talking a lot of smack about how iPad 4 is just an iPad 3 with a faster processor Yeah Okay But it doesn't cost more Yeah and it's not like that's any different from what they've usually done Does it ever cost more? I thought they always release it at the same price point No it always comes at the same price point The one thing we saw last time though was they kept the iPad 2 around but at a lower price point as sort of like a So with iPad mini there's like a good better best kind of placement strategy here So with A6X which I think is the chip in the iPad 4 which they're not calling an iPad 4 it's the new iPad again like 6 or 7 months after the last new iPad There's basically two generations ahead of anything else in terms of performance Why? They're ARM processors I was talking to a friend at school, Theo if you're out there hello, I don't know if this is true this is something I heard from a friend at school so don't quote Wayne but he's pretty credible so I think so And he was saying that Apple is they haven't made an official statement or anything but they're seriously considering going with ARM processors for everything Really? Ditching Intel and I think that might give Intel a little bit of a wake up call for the tablet market I certainly hope so Yeah because Surface is amazing and I can't really fight for any Android tablets although I'd like to but I just can't But again the same thing holding back Surface is holding back Android tablets in a big way and it's Tegra 3 Yeah Tegra 3 was good when it came out it was good but even then it wasn't as fast as iPad 2 Yep iPad 3 was faster, iPad 4 is faster again it's a two generational gap and it already wasn't that competitive So why is it that Nvidia can't afford to make a faster chip or Samsung can't afford to make a faster chip I mean even Galaxy Note 10.1 has a faster chip in it than a Tegra 3 but using it did not feel like anything like using an iPad I think Nvidia is more going for the value market right now I know it's kind of weird because Nvidia usually goes big or goes home but But they trump up the performance of Tegra from the rooftops Yeah I know and they really need to get their game up because they are getting destroyed by ARM and so does Intel Intel needs to wake up and actually care about tablets and start destroying ARM because Intel has the power to do it Nvidia is awesome but I think they're still even though they say they're kind of focusing on tablets I think they're still focusing on the desktop realm Trying to make things cheaper Well that and enterprise And enterprise and all that kind of stuff and I think that's what Intel is doing too They care more about desktops, they care more about servers Here's the thing that kills me about what Intel has been doing lately and it comes down to die size Intel chips now that, okay, okay, you look at, sort of think about this So the pricing of AMD CPUs versus Intel CPUs AMD has a four module pile driver chip, the 8350, that has an enormous die Like we're talking a die that is at least, I can't remember the exact measurements But it's more than double the size of an Intel 3770K, huge die size compared to that So when it comes to how much a CPU costs or how much any chip costs like this chip, you know, this chip, doesn't matter what chip It comes down to the manufacturing process, so the R&D that went into it And then it comes down to the die size because the die size is the odds that a defect will appear on that part of the wafer So a wafer is about this big and then you can put as many chips as you can and the bigger the die size Any wafer is going to have defects, especially around the outsides The bigger the die size, the bigger the chance there's a significant defect on it and it can't be used So Intel, if you watch, they've been shrinking their manufacturing process They haven't been giving us any kind of a, they've been shrinking the die size that's dedicated to the actual CPU for the last few generations So what could they do if they were actually paying attention, if AMD was actually giving them a run for their money And this ties back into my point about Apple as well They could use their real estate more and just blow them out of the water, isn't it? 2011, didn't they like burn off to cores? Yeah, yeah, 2011, well the server chips are up to eight cores And then the Extreme Edition, which is supposed to be, even the new Extreme Edition, 3970X Which is supposed to be like 150 watt TDP, so in theory they didn't even care about TDP But all we got out of it was a couple hundred more megahertz And they did not leave in the other two cores I mean, Ivy, Sandy Bridge E, Ivy Bridge E, Ivy Bridge E, which is coming, I think is supposed to be up to 12 cores But whenever it comes, it'll come and that'll be that I think, I used to be a pretty big fan of AMD back with their Athlon 64 and Athlon 64X2 Yeah, you're a fair weather friend is basically what you're trying to say, but go ahead Yeah, yeah But AMD just hasn't been competing properly lately Intel has just been absolutely destroying And because AMD isn't actually giving Intel a run for their money, Intel doesn't have to care They can just keep on making things cheaper and cheaper so that their profit margins are higher And they just don't have to care On the other hand, what do they have to do? Because they're a publicly traded company Publicly traded companies are always evaluated based on growth They have to make money, yeah Yeah, so they have to make money, they have to show growth If they're not increasing profit margins or increasing revenues or doing both, then they're going to get destroyed So the desktop PC market is pretty saturated and I've got my own opinions about why that is I don't think it has anything to do with the desktop being dead as a platform I think it's, I mean, how old is your parents? Okay, you're probably a bad example, but your friends, how old are their parents' computers? Oh, really old. My friends' parents' computers are really old Five years? Probably around there Three years, four years XP machines, they're all XP machines All my friends' parents' computers are XP machines or they're my friends' old computers, which are now running Windows 7 So it's hard to sell CPUs if you're not buying, people aren't buying computers But that doesn't mean they're not still using desktops So we can put that aside forever, the desktop is not dead But if you're Intel, what choice do you have now? You have to increase your margins Or you have to try and find a way to sell more stuff Or you have to expand it to new markets, I mean, I think SSD is going to be a big deal You look at what's going on with OCZ right now, you look at what's going on with anyone who's not a manufacturer And guys like Samsung, guys like Intel, where they have fabs, they have the technology The vertical guys, those are going to be the guys who win Where are we going with this? They will, I'm not actually entirely sure, but Intel can make their own modules and cherry pick them too So it's not really fair for all the guys that aren't manufacturing their own Yeah, that's true Intel and Samsung just cherry pick their own stuff Right, okay, so back to my Apple thing So here's my theory as to why Apple can be two generations ahead of everyone else in terms of performance They spend on die size You look at the size of something like an A6X compared to a Tegra 3 It is huge, it absolutely dwarfs Tegra 3 It's not rocket science, I mean, a processor is how many transistors are in it basically And then the advantage of a smaller manufacturing process is basically the whole point is being able to stuff more transistors into that space Because you reach a point of diminishing returns, but it gets this big The delay to get a signal from here to here across the chip and sort of all the traces in between becomes too much So as long as you stay within a certain size then it's all good But if you look back at like older, remember when CPUs didn't have a heat spreader on them, how big the cores were They're so much smaller now Whereas Apple is interesting because Nvidia doesn't get to take money from the manufacturing, but neither does Apple They don't get to take money from the screen, they don't get to take money from the app store They don't get to take money from the button, anything else Apple gets to take margin on almost every aspect of this device And Apple can make money on other things too like cables and cases and what not Yes, accessories So what happens, I believe, the reason that they can be so far ahead is they can just spend on die size They can go, okay, we don't care, make the chip as big as you want Whereas Nvidia only gets to sell a chip So they have to optimize, think about the margins you need if you're a chip maker So that Tegra device that you have, I don't have any handy right now, but that Tegra device you have Nvidia only got to take a profit on that one little thing So if they were to take, what's Apple's gross margins, 40, 45% or something like that? It's around that So if Apple gets to take 45% on a phone, then if Nvidia only gets to take 45% on a phone That means Apple's taking a couple hundred dollars, or on a chip rather for Nvidia And Nvidia, if that chip has to be part of a phone that costs $500 And they're getting 45% of whatever that is, they're only getting to take a few bucks So they have to have much higher profit margins So that's my theory, I don't think anyone can catch up, unless it's maybe Samsung I think Samsung can catch up, Intel can catch up Full solution providers, yeah I wish, I don't know, I hope Tegra doesn't die I kind of like Nvidia and I like where they're going with it They're trying really hard, they're pushing for the gaming side of it and stuff, but it's just not there Well, Wayne's going to be significantly faster than the current generation product I mean, the roadmap that I saw at the last Nvidia partner conference Basically had performance going like this I think they were saying by 2014 or 2015, we were going to have core i5 level performance in a Tegra product I mean, they're very much in the game, and as a solutions provider, I think they'll always be a big winner I mean, AMD is finally turning things on with, hey, have you seen the new AMD drivers? I actually have not Never Settle drivers are adding 10 to 15% across the board on 7000 series cards in AAA titles Their graphics cards haven't really been a problem though Their graphics cards have been really good, it's other areas that they've been failing in Okay, let's do some Twitter Q&A for a while guys Let's see if we got some good questions on the Twitters I'm going to go ahead and switch to my Twitter window here so you guys can actually see what's going on Alright, back up to the top, and we have 321 new interactions, yay! Well, Anderson Slick, 7950 vs. 660 Ti, and Slick, before you answer that question, I would like you to remember that 7950 now has 10 to 15% better performance across the board compared to when you last benchmarked them Right, that probably means that in raw performance the 7950 will win Okay I like, if you get a 660 Ti Power Edition No, not anymore, they revised it, Nvidia had them pull it back Seriously? That's pretty... So now 7950, Smoke 660 Ti and overclocking Yeah, that's lame, I really, really, really, I called them out at PAX I really, really, really don't like what Nvidia is doing with their over-volting stuff And when I asked them, actually got one of my buddies to ask him, he was on here actually, Harrison I got him to ask him When Harrison asked them, they said specifically, oh we're not doing anything, we're not doing anything to the board partners, but if the board partners do anything about it, like what MSI did, I'm guessing like Nvidia pulls all warranty, so they can't afford that, that's where Nvidia used to stand behind them but now they don't stand behind them, so they are doing something about it Okay, the flip side of that is if I manufacture this CPU cooler and I say you're not allowed to run the pump at 14 volts, or 15 volts, or 20 volts, or wherever the limit is Don't I have the right to say no warranty? Yes, and that's true, but Nvidia has always covered this and now they have pulled it back That's all taking away an advantage of your product If you run a company for 20 years, I'm just pulling random numbers, 20 years and you've always had one big strong thing that everyone really likes you for, and then you take it away, you can't expect people to just be like oh yeah, that totally makes sense, people are going to be upset, it's annoying and putting people in weird situations like MSI where they have to backpedal from their overvolt thing that was so cool, the 660 Ti Power Edition was epic, I loved that card So basically it's a business decision at the end of the day It comes back to that whole die size and margins and shrinking business because graphics, everyone wants to talk about PC gaming isn't dying, PC gaming is not dying League of Legends, most played game in history Here's the problem though, is that League of Legends does not help sell graphics cards That's true, that is true High end PC gaming has been a very sad thing for a very long time Crisis 3, I'm hoping starts to turn this around I've heard that it will Yuri, whatever his name is, has basically said, you know what? Screw your graphics card and your memory and your CPU, I'm going to crush it all I think that's great for PC gaming Star Citizen using CryEngine 3, looks really exciting, space sim game So I'm hoping it all turns around But when guys pitch those PC gaming as growing numbers, they're talking WoW They're talking League of Legends WoW is going down actually They're talking about mainstream stuff, Peggle These are technically PC games, these are technically PC gamers But they're not buying GTX 680s At the end of the day, Nvidia again is a public company, what do they have to do? They have to reduce their RMAs, they have to find other ways to tighten up their business They have to take smaller dies, 680 is a smaller die size than I think at least 3 or 4 generations back of high end cards One thing too though, Nvidia has always had their It's in the Game campaign But they used to be way more aggressive about it And stuff like Borderlands where they made it kind of cheesy Where it detects what kind of graphics card you have and literally takes things out of the game if you have an ATI card Have you seen that? Yeah It's pretty brutal, they'll take out water pipes that shoot water out ATI cards can create water, I'm sure that's not a big deal But they just removed it from the game If they changed their push with that and made it so that Nvidia sponsored games were just intense And had awesome graphics hardware and really really good resolutions But they can't do it because of consoles And by the sound of things, Wii U isn't going to turn it all around No, not exactly, but there is games coming out, look at Kickstarter, there's so many games coming out that are just PC So do it for the games that are just PC, why would Nvidia sponsor a game that's coming out on a console? Kickstarter is kind of the best thing to happen to the PC gaming industry ever It's actually been kind of amazing Because the whole problem with PC gaming, and you guys can argue about it until you're blue in the face The problem with PC gaming has been piracy Because at the end of the day, it's the most pirated platform So if you're going to produce a game for one platform, it's not going to be PC, period On the other hand, Kickstarter takes all the risk away from the developer Although I would argue that because they get the money up front, they know at least their cost is covered So if anyone buys the game, then it will be profitable It's already profitable in a lot of situations because they're selling the game In almost every single Kickstarter situation, you're buying it Or if you're going below the buying price, which most people don't do Don't tell my wife, I don't know if she can hear us But I'm actually thinking about buying the $250 Star Citizen package Oh my goodness No, it comes with the ball or ship Well, if you do, one of my friends from my birthday bought me the Star Citizen package Which one? Not the two, it's the one that just gets you the game Just the game? Yeah And I get a ship, but it's not like the most amazing thing So basically I get to blow you up right when the game comes out in Alpha? Yeah I don't think I get Alpha either Really? I think I get Beta Oh, you don't get Alpha? I don't think so So basically, by the time you get Beta, I'll be an expert And my ship will be Onage I wonder if you get to carry that on, Ruth Anyways Yeah, I get to carry it on Actually, I don't know Yeah, I don't know A lot of them don't let you So anyway, sorry, you were saying Kickstarters include the game? I'm trying to remember where I was going with that Yeah, so a lot of their sales are already done Right That's the thing, and they have to calculate that in Yes, this budget gets to go towards the development of the game But that budget also has to go towards paying everyone Because a huge portion, most of their sales are done before the game's release Right Which is kind of a really interesting platform Kind of scary Really scary for a lot of people, but No They're also hitting 300% of their margins along with situations Project Eternity was insane Project Eternity wanted, I don't remember the numbers, I'm sorry But I think they wanted like $800,000 and they ended up getting almost $4 million Wow, okay Okay, here's the risk then Because, okay, so your point that most of the sales are probably done before the game even launches I would counter that and I would say many customers will be very uncertain Unless it's an extremely reputable developer About giving money to a developer Basically, there's no way to get Kickstarter money back No If it doesn't hit, anyways, yeah, keep going Although if the project goes ahead, they say thank you for the money It's a Kickstarter, it's a seed fund You don't get it back if the project sucks or the game isn't very good So you're paying $40 for the game That's the cost of the game On Steam or whatever, discounted game What if it turns into a Duke Nukem Forever type of fiasco? Where 13 years later, you paid $40 for this game Did you see the Google image of the guy who had his original pre-order? Yeah, yeah Yeah, anyway It was like all decrepit and horrible But that's the situation that we could potentially be creating So I think lots of people will hold out until the game's done Yeah, and they can do that One thing you're doing is like If any of you guys follow the project Eternity 1 Obsidian made some of the most iconic games that have ever been released But lately haven't been doing that amazing They have publicly blamed this previously on the people that have been funding them They pushed the project dates, they pushed the project dates Then the game is released, incomplete, brink Think about brink for a second Brink was like one of the biggest disappointments of a game that I've ever released I was so excited for brink and then it was so terrible Because it was so obviously unfinished It was not polished The single player was multiplayer with bots That was literally like you click on single player And you might like It's the exact same map that's in multiplayer You do the exact same thing Except there's bots on your team and bots on the other team Like that's not a single player There's random cinematics as you're running through It's like oh, cinematic randomly Like I don't care, this means nothing It was just horribly unpolished and incomplete And if you get your budget from fans And you can set whatever date you want You have to set a date Within reason Because you have to set a date Your fans have to accept that date when they're paying for it They have to know, it has to be reasonable But you can have these allowances that you've never really had before You can develop things that you weren't able to before Because people ask for it Okay, let's go back and do some quick Twitter questions So CouchLoss says he likes the format of the show tonight Glad to hear it You know what? Viewership is actually better than it's been since I think the first show that I did So people were either tuning in because they were super excited to meet the legendary Slick himself Without a bag on his head And maybe I'll wear the bag for a bit So people were either super excited about that Or they really are enjoying Okay, I can't read the screen Okay, I'm enjoying the format of the show Something, something What are the main things to look for for a monitor for gaming and video editing? Well, those are two completely different things You want a gaming monitor, you want a 120Hz panel You want video editing, you need an IPS panel or PLS panel So opposite You have to figure out which one is more important to you Is my secondary laptop fast enough to run Crysis 2? No Maybe Slick wants food You already ate What did you have tonight, Slick? I had a...I don't know what they're called I had a Whopper and I had their fish burger thing Because on Fridays Burger King has $2 fish burgers I've never had one before And honestly it wasn't that bad Burger King By the way, Burger King is a proud sponsor of the Limus Tech Tips livestream tonight They fed me, although I had to pay for it That's sort of sponsorship Yeah, I guess But they had to pay for it Okay, so question from Da Don Oh, I was eating that Oh, do you want some? Okay My wife's stealing my pomegranate So Tegra 3 isn't cutting it What are your thoughts on Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 quad core chips? I mean, that's the thing is These mobile chips are getting so much faster so quickly That it's really exciting But my whole argument was just that Apple will always be able to be ahead of the curve Because Qualcomm only gets to take money for the chip Just the same way Nvidia only gets to take money for the chip Or anyone else Even ARM to a lesser extent Only gets to take money for the chip And Apple gets to take money for the entire solution AMD will be up for sale next year most probably You know what, we can't speculate on that No, we're not speculating on that You looked like you were about to say something No, I wasn't, I was just like, ehh Glad to hear you guys like the format of the show Thoughts on the Black Widow Ultimate 2013? If they have their new What is it called? Synopsys drivers? Synapse I am not a fan if they have those So Synapse drivers basically For you guys who don't know Razer's Synapse software allows you to Save, like let's say this was a mouse You know what, let's say this was a mouse Let's say this was a mouse Let's say this was a mouse Let's say this was a mouse So it allows you to Save to the cloud All of the DPI settings All the DPI settings, all the macro settings All the settings that you would have had for this mouse You can even save the Adjustable weight settings in the bottom of the mouse What? Sorry That makes no sense But you save it in the cloud, so if you take that mouse And plug it into any computer, log into Synapse It will know all of your settings No big deal, and it can even save Per game profiles Which is very cool as well Why don't gamers like this? Because if you lose your internet connection for any reason You lose all of your settings Because they save it in the cloud If they had it so like Okay, I really don't like Origin But this is actually something to do well They have cloud storage for save files So Battlefield 3, if I don't have my Battlefield 3 save file That's fine, I can play the game But if And this is what irks me about Steam too Are they implementing that yet? I believe so Every game should just have cloud save files, it's ridiculous I know they do for settings I don't know if they do for save files I don't think they do, because there's so many different developers It might be supported on Valve games But that would be amazing Well most Valve games don't have single player, except for Half Life Anyways When are we getting episode 3? Okay, go ahead I really want to know So like, with Origin's thing If you are activated to the internet It will take that opportunity and download the save file for you It will ask you first It's like, do you want to sync up? Blah blah blah If you say yes, it downloads it That's awesome! If you have it in your offline That's awesome, that doesn't really matter With Razer's new setup The second you lose internet connection, you lose all of your settings So all of a sudden you have like A $10 mouse instead of this Beast mode level of expensive mouse that you bought And it just, I don't know So you're saying that's a problem Yes It's not okay Should computers be switched off or left on? Should computers be switched off or left on? Put it in sleep Apple has iTunes, Android has Google Play Most of the, okay Oh, that's an interesting take on this So we have a lot of international viewers on our live streams Here's a complaint that A lot of the features built for Android are Exclusive to the US, I mean, Google Maps isn't I'd love for you guys to sort of pitch in On Twitter, or on the Actually, you know what? I'm going to give this one to the Twitch chat guys He probably needs North America I've never had a single... North America, okay, yeah, because guys, we're in Canada So Have you guys run into any Issues with Google applications Not working outside of North America And this is only for the non-North American viewers So we're going to the Twitch chat There we go, we're going to cover up Slick for a change No one wants to see him anyway Android is Insanely popular in like India Google Music It's going really fast Maybe we should turn on slow mode Okay, apparently New Zealand is fine China apparently recently banned some of the Well that's China, that doesn't count China doesn't count? It's like A sixth of the population of the world But that's China banning it, that's not It's just straight up not working Puerto Rico is apparently fine Google Maps was apparently broken in the UK But then Surrey only half works there too Okay Hmm Australia is stupid maps Yeah, okay, but then again like Apple's maps are stupid everywhere as far as I can tell Dominican Republic apparently fine Singapore okay Malaysia's fine Mexico doesn't have Google Music So the only real complaint so far seems to be About Google Music more than anything else So Okay What else we got here on Twitter We just tore apart an Athlon 64 It's cool, that's very sad Because that was like the last thing they made that was awesome Yeah, they've been talking about this for a while Actually de-emphasizing desktop And they probably should Because they're just losing I wonder what's going to happen with Intel though because wouldn't that make them a monopoly? Yeah potentially, on the other hand Are they a monopoly if ARM continues Along the path they're going? Yeah because they'll be developing for Yeah And if Windows RT gets the kind of support That I personally hope it gets Then there'll be Real legitimate Desktop applications that'll run on ARM And Windows I mean my hope, my personal hope Just to see more competition is that By the time we see Windows 9, Windows 10 It's actually a unified skew If there was a way to do it Or it's like it's a single Image and then it either installs an ARM version Or it installs an x86 version And And honestly, soon enough it'll be fast enough And I don't think it'll matter Soon enough it'll be fast enough and applications will Continue to get more threaded so ARM can just Throw more cores at the problem which they're very good at And to the user It should be completely transparent Where you just download something I think Much the same way that you still see like iTunes, you still have x86, x64 versions ARM version, done I'd be very excited I'd be very excited to see something like that Windows 8, Black Friday Or Cyber Monday sales, very unlikely It's already really cheap What's your take on Disney buying Star Wars? This This is a fantastic topic for discussion Because I think it's fantastic You know what? I'm gonna let Slick give you guys his opinion I actually don't care about his opinion I'll be back in a moment I'm surprised you worded it like that Because I kind of agree Well, give me your opinion about how you Agree with me because That's a pretty safe opinion to have Because I'm pretty clever Look what they did with the Marvel heroes Disney owns Marvel I've literally never heard Of a single person ever complain About Avengers I've never heard of a single person ever complain about Iron Man The only one of the new superhero movies that I've actually heard anyone Explain about is Thor But then they have to follow a certain storyline And I think for following that storyline They actually did a really good job with that movie If they stay true To Star Wars, if they stay true to the older Star Wars movies They will Do fine, in my opinion And if they go like way into the future If they don't try and just go like hug The storyline, if they jump way in the future And make it actually make sense I think they'll do a really good job Disney's a really good company, they make really really good movies I think everything will be just completely fine I'm sure they'll spend the money to cast it right They seem to spend the money to cast everything right Disney's huge I don't think there will be a casting problem I don't think there will be a budget problem Yeah, I think it will be great Hopefully If there's anything that Mickey Mouse has, it's plenty of money Yeah, Mickey Mouse has a ton of freaking money What was I going to say I kind of hope that they follow one of the storylines from the book It would be cool to see like Mace Windu Grand Admiral Thrawn One of the epics in there would be really cool But then if they keep with the kind of Style that they have going right now, with the people that they have going right now Just in the future, that would also be great I personally think That the whole Thing needs to be Just kind of killed This, I meant to bring this onto the stream I actually meant to talk about the whole Disney Star Wars thing Even though it wasn't on our agenda today Here's my take on it And this is going to be really short, whatever he talked about You don't even need to think about that anymore Because this is it Could it be any worse than this What Could anything Disney does Be any worse Than this QED Okay, next topic The reason why NVIDIA Isn't working too hard on their TIGRTS They're working on Super Micropon, okay fair enough, probably Who knows New Nexus 4, I'm not much of a phone guy Have you heard much about it? Yeah, I've heard really good things It's by LG I'm hoping this is alright You know what's really funny, is the way that the meaning of LG has changed Their entire company is called LG It's my life's good I think you mean Lucky Gold Star Lucky Gold Star, yeah That's what they used to be called Not little girl Just Just put it out there Everything about LG is great Okay Yeah, I've heard really good things I had a Nexus before, I had the Nexus S Absolutely love that phone The thing that I really like about Nexus phones I know I have an S3 right now, but I'm going to talk up to Nexus A lot more than I'd talk up an S3 Nexus phones are Very Google branded, even though it's running Android, Nexus phones are way more Google branded It says Google on the back If you notice, S3s just can't even see that well But they just say Samsung All the Nexus phones say Google So Google really cares about the software on there And every single time that a new OS would come out With my Nexus S, I would get it the next day My Nexus S Was running Jelly Bean Then when that died and I went to get this one The reason why I was able to get one of these Was because I argued Saying that with my service plan, I should get A Jelly Bean device Instead of the They wanted to give you an S2 I think An S2, which was running an older OS So I argued that A competent product would have The same or better OS than my Comparable product Would have the same or better device He's really smart, that's why we work together He's never done this thing before Don't worry guys Nexus phones are great They have great support, it's going to be ridiculously fast What about Samsung's value added applications? They're good, they used S Note today But I could also use Evernote Honestly I'm just playing devil's advocate right now Because I have the same belief You know what I think of how my Galaxy Vibrant Still is running Gingerbread Whereas a Nexus branded phone released around the same time Would have the latest OS Every single time, latest OS, just way better support Sorry, keep going My Galaxy Tab 10.1 Got ice cream sandwich like a month and a half ago Officially, yes I know I could root the device Yes, I know I could upgrade it Unofficially, you know what, the camera didn't work With the unofficial upgrade on the Tab 10.1 Why should I have a half functional device? I've got a buddy at school that's Crazy into messing around with his phones, hacking his phones And all that kind of stuff, and he always finds One little thing that doesn't work Everything on Nexuses will always work I never had a single problem with that phone That phone was amazing I was going to say something but I don't remember Oh well We can do more Twitter I heard there's something something Being hipsters Look at Nexus 4 Oh right We have very exciting News you guys, now that we've got a pretty full Full live stream, I want to let you guys know So Yours truly The professional unboxer Attending CES this year And I will be accompanied by None other than Slick PC On Twitter Or just slick, whichever you prefer We are going to be trying to do And guys, bear with us here Linus Tech Tips domain, if you guys go there Right now, it kind of sucks, it's like a WordPress Blog that's just, it automatically Publishes Whatever I upload to YouTube, nothing special Nothing you can do just by following me On Facebook or following me on Twitter Or subscribing on YouTube Which is fine too We're going to revamp that We're going to install the latest VBulletin Which is not only a forum but is also a Content management system So we can do articles and stuff We are going to Attempt CES, the biggest problem with CES coverage is that it's always Lame, it's incomplete No matter who it is Publication, major publication They skip 70% of the show And it gets uploaded Like a week later What this dynamic duo team Potentially with Diesel We're not sure yet, I haven't talked to them About it actually Potentially with Diesel Is we are going to attempt to bring you the Entire show Which is going to mean at least 25 to 30 Videos covering 3 to 5 booths each Over the span of The 3 to 4 days I can't remember, it's like 3 or 4 days that it's running And we are going to try to Give you guys nightly uploads Of everything that we shot that day So it's going to almost kill us It may kill us Just a little bit But if you go to the Linus Tech Tips website Around the time of CES Mark this in your calendar guys Go there, we're going to have little written articles To go with every video Telling you what's in the video, what's up What's going on, and it's going to be The awesomest thing ever, we're going to be sponsored by Corsair So Corsair is sending us Down there, so you're going to see like A powered by Corsair watermark in the Corner, and Don't worry, we're going to still cover everything Not Corsair, there are competitors and all that But guys, I want you You know what, I rarely ask you to do this But I want you to If you're watching on YouTube, I want you to like Thumbs up the video, and if you're I don't know, watching on Twitch Can you like Facebook share or Twitch stream Or like, I don't know Tell someone about it, there Forget all this new fangled Hoo-ha terminology Just tell someone about this, because it's exciting So thank you for reminding me of that Slick, what else we got here I'm not going to look at your password Oh, game releases Coming up in Q4 Okay, Slick's more the gamer So I'm going to see if there's some interesting tweets And he can talk about that I am, okay, for some people This is out already, for PC I'm ridiculously excited for Assassin's Creed 3 That is not out yet on PC I was deceived by the Assassin's Creed 3 Trailer I saw it on Zero Punctuation It had a song on it, that was like I'm coming home, I'm coming home Tell the world I'm coming home, I downloaded it and it was a rap So I am Already not going to buy Assassin's Creed 3 Just for that Were you going to at all? I don't think you own any of the other games No Exactly, so that point is not valid I was really disappointed, it turned out to be Diddy I have no idea what you're talking about No, it was one of those deceptive songs It was like that Eminem song Yeah, where they mix in a really old school song and then Yes, so it was like that, where I was just like What the Okay, talk about your Little games Assassin's Creed 3 is going to be epic I've been staying away from spoilers as much as I possibly can Many of you have probably already played it If you have consoles, but I'm not a huge console fan I wait for things on PC What else is there coming? Black Ops 2 is going to be pretty epic I'm thinking of one, but I can't remember it Black Ops 2 is going to be epic? Zombies Okay Nazi Zombies is fun I'm not actually a huge COG fan There's another one Max Payne is coming Wait, another one? No, Max Payne, no The guy with the barcode on his back of his head I can't remember the name of that game I'm pulling a complete blank Hitman? Yes, Hitman Absolution, I believe There's quite a few other ones, but I just can't remember I'm off the top of my head right now There's a new expansion for Battlefield 3 So if you bought premium, you get it for No additional money, right? I was going to say free I can't even play right now Punkbuster won't properly install on my system Really? Which is the 800D? It's really annoying I looked on the forums, there's a whole bunch of people with the same problem as me I'm just like, yeah, just play on non-secure servers Oh yeah, okay I tried all the fixes, none of them seemed to work I tried all the fixes, none of them seemed to work Exactly I'm like this, so I can't play any games So I can't W, A, and D You can play Pagle I don't want to play Pagle Zax vs. Zombies Diablo 3 That's true I played it for a bit, but I'm just so done with that game Anyways, so I was like, I'll play Battlefield 3 and sit in the base, and sit in that little air defensive turret and just shoot down flying things all day So that basically just makes you a total jackass Pretty much, but that's all I could do So I was like, whatever, I'll just do that I didn't even play for more than 2 minutes per server So it was completely useless At least you have the excuse of being handicapped in order to behave like that Exactly I'll give that to you this time Okay, StormGaming has a tweet My friend has the Mac with the retina screen The screen has broken twice This brings me to one of the topics that I wanted to discuss tonight And that is, I tried to do this on a livestream not that long ago and I kind of failed because it had been a really long week and I like brain farted But I'm going to try and take another crack at this Okay Here's what I'm trying to figure out Why can't I have a 4K desktop display? Or a laptop, realistically Or a laptop even, yeah, why can't I have that? Or like anything else And someone really with a huge name that will back us up is Linus Torvalds Yeah, well no, he didn't say Well no, he didn't say it was possible It's just ridiculous Okay, so here, here, here Think about it this way guys So 4K, what are the challenges? For a long time it was pixel density Yeah Okay How old is this device? Three years now? Two and a half years? Okay, iPhone 4 This pixel density is enough to build a 27 inch 4K monitor, am I right? Right, okay So That's not a problem anymore I'm sorry? That's not a problem anymore I mean you even look at iPad 3 replacement screens are like 80 bucks So times 4 Why can't I buy a 250 dollar or you know, more Let's say 350, 400 dollar I don't care, I just want one 27 inch monitor, why can't I do that? 30 inch monitor, you know People have proven I'm holding an S3, we've got iPhone 5s all over the place even though they have like almost no improvement Anyways, people have proven It's longer It's more than you can say Oh I don't Anyways People have proven that they will spend money on devices even if they make no sense What do you mean make no sense? I would argue that something like a MacBook Retina makes a lot of sense I would buy that over any other notebook I was just taking a crack at iPhone 5 I would buy a higher res screen Why don't we have higher res screens that are optional to buy? I don't know how much of both the Retina displayed It's not even that impressive Like it's awesome and it beats other things I agree, but it could be so much better Okay, so the argument there might be bigger stuff costs more And I would like to direct your attention to this When is the last time you went to your local big box retailer and checked out the prices of TVs? How much do they cost? Nothing compared to before I've never bought big TVs before So a 55 inch TV you can get for as little as I think around $600, $700, $800 So if that costs $800 And yes, the pixel density is lower But I still don't think the pixel density of a 30 inch version of that should be an engineering or manufacturing nightmare So this is only $800 The density we need is $80, $90 Why isn't there something in the middle that marries these two things It just doesn't seem that complicated It really shouldn't be that hard It just should not be that hard I mean, okay, here, couple things Yields, so it comes down to the same thing we were talking about with die size for chips before You have to have a yield of a panel So if you go, okay They build LCDs in large large large panels, they cut them up Essentially, like they cut them up Okay, so if you're going to manufacture retina displays You're going to manufacture a big old thing like this And you're going to go, okay, here's all the places with defects that we can't use, and you cut around them Essentially So, okay, if you build a bigger high density panel, you're going to lose some But then you build it into the price Exactly, you always build that into the price That's part of business And then the other thing is the demand for these high density panels is extremely high You look at something like Nexus 10 Where, what is it? What are they, 1920 by 12? No, is it 2560? I think so, I think that was their whole deal I think it's 2560 by 1600, which is ridiculous And honestly, Tiger 3 is not fast enough for that, I'm really excited for like a Nexus 10.2 or something, but But okay, okay So there's demand, but just charge more for it Tablets don't even cost that much You could just take like the screen and charge, you know, quadruple what you would have charged for that screen on the tablet, and I mean, if I'm Samsung, if I'm LG, if I'm one of these guys that's actually manufacturing this stuff, why can't Samsung release a 4K desktop monitor? Why are we getting stuff like this? Beautiful monitor, by the way 1080p, why? And like, I remember watching a video quite a while ago on YouTube of them, like this was quite a while ago of them showing off this 4K TV and it was, oh my goodness oh my goodness, 4K technology, they have one you can't buy it, it's super exclusive, but they have one why can't we buy it? Well we can, Sony has a 25000 I know, but like, it should be so much more available and not 25000 And that's the thing, what's the manufacturing problem with with building these large format displays with higher resolution? I don't understand So that was another topic, so yes Linus, me is totally in agreement with Linus Torvalds, the other guy, you know the Linux guy, he did something once for technology He's got a huge... No, what I do is way more important than him Hey, I'm unboxing the H100i What are you doing with your life? I'm not saying I'm as good as Linus Torvalds Anyway But whatever the words are going on Right, so we should have higher resolution displays Personally, okay, yeah, we'll be locked into DisplayPort I guess in order to make sure that, cause HDMI is like Oh yeah, 4K support at 24FPS Yay Yay So yeah, we'll have to use DisplayPort So we need to make sure we have the interconnects that can work, but come on I mean even that, it's like DVI, dual link DVI has been around for how long How complicated is the chip on either end Double it, quadruple it 10x it, does it matter? Will you pay an extra $2 for a graphics card if you know it can drive a 4K or an 8K display? Yes Right? I mean DisplayPort is even capable of the bandwidth that we need already So, this is jumping back to a topic we were talking about earlier with PC games not being hard enough to run I run my 480 and have no problems with anything, I crush everything that comes in my way Make me want to upgrade my graphics card Yeah, I know, well Crysis 3, Star Citizen And I hope they do But we don't know yet Come on, what's up with wow? They keep upgrading their engines They're like, yay we have a drugtix 11 Yay Tessellation This brings along another topic about Blizzard just being terrible lately Well, you can't call it Come on, Diablo 3 It looks like it was 8 years old And then, okay Diablo 3 is like just kind of a failure of a release in my opinion It's a good game, but it's a Blizzard game It should be a ridiculously good game It shouldn't be a pretty good game They only release like one game every three years Exactly, they should have crushed Torchlight Oh, I know, right? Torchlight was good Torchlight was awesome I never played Torchlight 2 yet though I've heard it's better, I haven't played it either And they did not crush Torchlight They didn't come close to crushing Torchlight And they should have, wow was amazing when it was released And some people would argue that it's still good It's got DirectX 11 now It's old, and all the expansions are just like Okay, we added some content We added one race It's like, well, okay, that's cool, but your game is really freaking old They just haven't And like StarCraft 2, the next expansion They just pushed it back, because they're like Oh, people realized that we did nothing with it And said it was going to be released this year And we did nothing We pulled a whole bunch of units out of the game We added a few and we're like, good luck What was the original one? The original StarCraft 1 expansion, I can't remember the name Breed War, Breed War was huge Breed War changed everything, it changed the entire balance Totally different game, and it was amazing And everyone loved it, and it was great, and it pushed eSports And it was awesome And Heart of the Swarm just isn't League of Legends is dominating eSports right now Counter Strike is like Surviving somehow I love Counter Strike, but it's really old And like, there's so many things Destiny, a StarCraft player, I know you don't know Don't worry Destiny posted something on Reddit that was really long About everything that Blizzard Should be doing, and just isn't Blizzard reacted slightly And so they're going to change a few of the things, but they're just not Well they added Higher levels of DirectX But like, come on, people keep asking me They're like, oh I You know, I want to play I'm upgrading my graphics card So I can have DirectX 11 They'll have something good They'll have like An older DirectX 9 They'll have like a 7900 GTX or something And then they'll be upgrading Or like they'll have an 8800 GT Or something like that, and they'll be upgrading To like a low end DirectX 11 card You know what DirectX level is not That important Look at games like Witcher 2 DX9! It's a DX9 game It looks better than almost anything else from the PC Especially with their uber textures Especially with their uber textures And honestly, I mean Okay, I challenge you guys, all the gamers Watching this stream right now, and we're on Twitch TV So at least a handful of you better play Video games, even though I don't But half of us play video games He plays video games Riddle me, okay I challenge you, go find a game That has DirectX 9, 10, and 11 support And do a blind taste test With yourself, get someone to change them around on you And see if you can even tell It's hard. Play the game though You don't get to like walk around like this And look at the textures on the floor, you don't get to do that That's cheating Like I said, it's hard, you'd have to do stuff like that to really notice the difference Okay So that brought us, ah, iPhones are made of more environmentally Did you know That right now there is not an efficient Recycling technique for touch screens? I actually did not know that But efficient recycling technique, the Sweden thing Anyways Okay, but for touch screens There's no environmentally safe disposal method for them The problem Is the bonding layer In between the touch interface and the panel What is it made of? I don't remember, but it means you can't separate them anymore And apparently This is like a huge problem And as more and more touch, I mean So many phones exist, like so many phones But now multiply that Times whatever for a tablet Times whatever for a notebook Times whatever for a desktop monitor Because everyone's doing it for winners eight All in one computers Older style touch screens It wasn't a problem, pressure sensitive ones Like for POS terminals But it's a really, I mean, I'm not really going anywhere with this But it's just a really interesting thing to think about I mean on the other hand When I was a kid, Tetra Packs were a big problem Because there was no way to recycle them Whereas now, every Tetra Pack is recyclable I'm sure they'll come up with something Some guy won some award For coming up with a way I hope they come up with something, but it's just something to think about right now guys So don't buy, you know, more touch screens than you absolutely need If you don't absolutely need to Science will find a way On the other hand, I do work at NCIX So buy lots of new technology gear And stuff Okay, don't like the S3 It's plasticy, see, ha! It is plasticy, that's right Storm Gaming is with me And I'm not a huge fan of that either, I don't like the back Like my old Nexus S did I'll admit when things are wrong Oh hey, I wanted to ask you guys How's the audio levels tonight? Because I've had complaints in the past From people watching on mobile device Mobile devices Or anything like that They're saying they couldn't turn the audio levels up enough So I hope it's good enough tonight Let's check the Twitch chat Audio is good, crap, good Clear and crisp, perfect Extremely good, better, okay Glad to hear it, thank you Twitch for letting me know And we've got a correction Elric was fired, yes, we know I think we said he was gone, I don't think we said he left I don't know, I was saying He left, but I was talking about Tiny Tom Logan He might have, I don't know if I Might have said the same thing or he heard the wrong thing Are you wearing a Team Liquid hoodie? Yes You're so lame Esports isn't sports And I know I'm on Twitch TV right now Saying that, it's not going to make me popular, but It's not sports You know what, it comes, but they Preface it with something, they know they're not Like all the rest of the sports At least they're not poker, which tries to call itself a sport That's a lot worse They know they're esports, I don't know Okay hold on, I have to log into this So you can talk more about how esports is a sport I'm not though, I'm saying it's an Esport, it's it's own little category They don't try and say Like oh, we're Runners and iJumpers and football players They know they're esports, they have their own Category, I like that, they're not like poker I hate poker, poker's like oh yeah It's a sport, we sit around a table and look at each other Yeah but they look at each other Really intently, intently, yeah No I know, and poker's difficult And you can make money, yeah poker's difficult You can make money, it's a challenge You can make more money playing poker than You can doing almost any Other sport other than like, you know, NBA Not that NHL Players are making any money right now But they should differentiate themselves in some way Because it is different So it's a mind sport, or it's a table sport They should just call themselves a table sport Well Magic tries to say Come on then, that's like calling Dungeons and Dragons a sport though It's a table game, poker is a game And esports are games But Whoa, that was actually Impenetrable, go ahead So then it's a sport because they're all games How is that a sport because Football's a game So you just categorized all of them You just beat yourself That's impenetrable I'm covering you, there's nothing you can do about it I hate you Apparently Christian Oh no, Eclipse thinks you're the handsomest Man on the interwebs I would argue that I Could find someone more handsome than Slick on the internet Oh god Stay away from your web page Okay, this is kind of scary Don't do this Handsome man Here we go, here we go Please don't have the wrong search settings Alright, right there, handsomer than slick I don't have a shaver, I can't compete with him You don't have a shaver? Well maybe that's why you look so scruffy And horrible, like some kind of homeless person That's for Movember Movember is about a mustache You just look like a scrub Alright, let's find other men that are more handsome than slick You know what, I'm surprised there aren't more troll pictures here Of like, not handsome men at all I'm really surprised Okay, let's try this again I'm just happy Justin Bieber didn't come up There we go This is more along, this is more your speed I disagree I would make that argument, but that is more your speed And we are going to go back to Twitter Where they are going to all Hardcore agree with me I don't think so I'm pretty sure that they are Can we google small people? I'm pretty sure that we can't google small people Because I'm not going to talk to you about that Alright, we're back to Twitter Oh, go to that top guy Alright, we have a question on Twitter From Vag Vag, let's call him Vag Let's go with Vag Vag93 says, how come mechanical keyboards are so expensive? Do you think it's a matter of time before prices become more reasonable? Not necessarily I would say not ever not at all Yeah, I don't think so I don't think they'll ever be cheaper Mechanical keyboards don't really break down So you don't have the ability to just buy more all the time Like with membrane keyboards where they'll just die Look at it this way Do cars get cheaper? As a category No, not really Why? Steel costs more than it did last year But I think he's asking in relation to membrane keyboards No, but hold on He just says they're so expensive Do you think it's a matter of time before they come down? So, steel costs more Glass costs more, everything costs more Electronics customers are so spoiled Because this is the only product in the world Where advancing the technology apparently makes it cheaper Whereas like a car You want to machine more valves into an engine Like it costs more Mechanical keyboard A mechanical keyboard, there's nothing digital about it It costs What it costs to build those key switches Well, okay, I didn't say No, I don't mean there's nothing digital about it I'm talking about a mechanical keyboard That's what you said I'm talking about a mechanical keyboard That's what you said I'm talking about a mechanical key switch Okay So mechanical key switch Okay, I can't believe he's doing this You guys have to see this He's climbing in my blinds Rocket, hey, get down I don't think that's You brat Okay, I got it So Rocket is joining our live stream Which he doesn't usually do Right, so So mechanical keyboards Inherently cost money They are digital, yes, but like not the switch And there's nothing that can make them Come down in price because there's nothing to miniaturize And it costs more to make them Well, I guess he didn't I guess he wasn't saying in relation, so yeah It costs more than membranes And with more people Likely going the way Logitech did with their G710 Plus, there's all the features Added in I mean the only reason membrane keyboards came about at all Was because of the way that Electronics inherently get cheaper As the computer got cheaper It became less and less justifiable To include a keyboard that costs $100 to manufacture If you're selling a keyboard or a computer that's $1000 total as opposed to $5000 Total Wasn't viable for IBM to make their Model M's anymore I mean just the same way that video cards You know Six, seven years ago, we're talking 9800's and stuff like that, used to come with a bunch of Games and like a bunch of accessories And like all this stuff And now they don't because Inherently They were like, okay, okay Actually graphics cards are a great example because as the chips Get more efficient and they keep They kept increasing the die sizes over the years so they're not Getting cheaper in the same way electronics usually do But there's a lot of stuff that costs more on a graphics card No matter what, like power delivery Coolers are made of copper And aluminum, which are always Increasing in price So that's where That squeeze comes from You can't include as many value add peripherals If The thing is going to always Cost more. And that's why if you buy like a pre-packaged Crap computer like an HP You're going to get the worst keyboard and the worst Mouse because they're just going to be As cheap as they possibly can so they can give you functionality And they know that no one's going to use it anyway You know what it comes down to is nothing is free Yeah No such thing as a free lunch Nothing is free if you buy You know if you buy a car that includes The undercoating, that means they Built it in somewhere else If you buy a computer that includes a Fantastic mechanical keyboard You paid for that somewhere So you know what if anything I have no problem with stuff just coming With less and ultimately me Being able to just buy what I actually want As opposed to bundling things I don't need That's like the Neo ECO PowerSplit from Ntech I don't want bags of generic Power Cables I don't need it to come with a Power Keyboard On the other hand speaking as the person Who was the buyer for those when they came out They actually didn't drop the costs at all for me Okay So never mind then I actually didn't even get like a 10 cent saving On the product or something I assumed they were discounted I don't know However I think the packaging actually ended up costing Them more because it Moved to a cardboard packaging Right but they could have done that with any PowerSplit Well no but I'm saying the money that I didn't get a discount on it Because they saved money on a cable And spent more on an eco-friendly packaging But like if they did that with all their Power Supplies It would make more sense and then you should get a discount But then there's that one customer who comes Ripping into your store about how you Sold them a computer that didn't work And didn't come with everything it needed So from the retailer side of things But that's how printers have been forever Printers never really came with any big cables And people are angry about that on a daily basis Even now I mean you worked at Best Buy Sadly yes How many customers came in Ripping you a new one I told them all Were you ever covering for someone Yeah it did happen I will admit it did happen Or if people just come in and Grab a printer and they don't check the box They wouldn't know Do an arm wrestle with Slick Do the Do the stream with Slick more often It's much more enjoyable you know what You guys are not loyal at all You guys suck Actually no I appreciate every one of you tuning in To the livestream I know the timing is Super not ideal thanks to everyone who's Over in Europe and tuning in in the morning And everyone who's in Eastern Canada United States tuning in Super late at night thank you guys For joining us I'm not sure if Slick will be a regular member of the livestream And for now we are going to put him back Under wraps Thank you for watching the livestream tonight And good night and I'll see you guys Again should be next Friday Remember you can always check Twitch.tv Slash LinusTech to see when the Next livestream is going to be And if you're not already following me on Twitter I'm following Slick on Twitter As well actually you can send him your Tech questions and stuff if you're not Already following us on Twitter then make sure you're following On Twitter and you'll see notifications about upcoming Livestreams as well good night everyone Good night guys You're not allowed to talk you got the Big on your head That's right Good Slick Good Oh I hit the wrong button I didn't stop the livestream I'm stopping it now