 And welcome to the WAN show guys the show where we talk about technology You know, whatever screw it if you guys are watching this you probably know what we do at this point We've been doing this for like a year more than that more than that quite a bit. Yeah one year anniversary. It might be Yeah, I think it's kind of a little late on this anyway, we've got a great show for you guys today We've got steam in home streaming valve has finally Started letting people try the beta. There's mixed reports all over the internet. We're gonna be discussing that unfortunately We haven't tried it personally yet, but that may change over the weekend wink wink nudge nudge more on that a little bit later We've also got that South Korea is working on 5g wireless connectivity And not just enabling it in handsets, but actually developing the infrastructure for it. So more on that later I guess this is the teaser so it's all more on that later Although I'm not saying any that anyone is a moron I'm just saying that the information will come later and there will be more of it. What else we got? There's a candied attempt at trademarking the word candy only a few people understand that And Nvidia the black is back. We'll talk about that more later on. What does the black is back even mean? I did put the right intro. Oh, well, whatever I was gonna change that so that I could put up a Squarespace logo Anyway, Squarespace is our sponsor today Remember guys Squarespace is the easy way to make your own website whether it's for a blog store or pretty much whatever you could want Squarespace has templates that you can use and they handle all the hosting for you and they have a new feature Which I'll be telling you guys more about later called their logo maker or logo. I think they're just calling it logo anyway, it allows you to Well It's pretty self explanatory Their logo maker What does it do Does it short my rabbits from smallest to largest? Hopefully if a logo maker didn't do that. I don't think it would sell very well. That's probably true Although they're not really trying to sell it it comes for free if you have a membership already. So yes I don't think it would be acquired for free very well. Yeah Yeah All right, so let's jump into our first topic of the day alienwares steam machine not Impossible to upgrade this made waves earlier in the week when I believe the article that I saw was also on Kotaku But it was said that alienwares steam machine So this is basically guys just a PC was going to be non upgradeable and I kind of looked at that and I went well How can you have a PC that's completely non upgradeable? I mean you should be able to upgrade RAM Maybe unless they soldered the PCB or unless it was like at a maximum capacity already Yeah, okay, you could technically like I don't know unless it was already max to the spec of the motherboard I mean you should be able to upgrade your drive even consoles even the PlayStation allows you to upgrade the drive on it So I was kind of looking at it going. Okay, so it's not upgradeable Anyway Alienware has come out and they have clarified. It's not completely impossible to upgrade We just don't really recommend it It is smaller and upgrading the internal components will not be as easy as compared to other platforms, but we will not prevent a Customer from upgrading is what their general manager Frank Azor told Euro gamer So so I guarantee you someone will do it at least just to prove that they can But that person would have to buy an alienware steam machine in the first place That's a good point. Can you think of a good reason to buy a steam machine? I've talked about this in a few I think at least two I'm not sure exactly how many of my videos at CES I would cover something out of booth and I would be like this would really be cool to put in your own Built by yourself steam machine because you don't need to go buy one I mean is this the is this the whole console versus PC conversation all over again? My my favorite thing about it, too Is that everyone's like oh, but the steam machine is not competing with consoles. Oh, come on That's not what it's supposed to do. We all love each other Like yeah, no, no, it's there for a point. No you can't It's it's it's interesting but like I what about people who buy pre-built PCs and Prefer to just have something delivered to them ready to go I mean installing steam OS might get easier later, but right now it's a bit of a pain in the ass candy rather so Could you recommend to anyone with a straight face to buy a steam machine? Yeah, like a pre-built one like an alien if there was like literally no one to build it for them but I don't know anywhere that there is no one to build it for you because Places like NCX and I know of a lot of other small computer stores as well We'll just charge you like 50 bucks and then build it for you I mean it might be okay as long as I mean motherboard and power supply I guess they're gonna be the really challenging one so while you might be able to squeeze a small RAM upgrade or a drive upgrade or even An intergenerational CPU upgrade assuming it assuming thermals are okay. Yeah, you're not going to be upgrading it in any significant way Anyway Alienware just suggests you grab an Alienware X 51 if you ever ever ever ever actually think you might try to change anything Or you could build your own or you could just build your own Which is yeah, probably the better way to go in my opinion Which brings us to our next steam machine topic man. I'm so excited for steam OS being not beta anymore Although I would settle for beta at this point if they were willing to give me the in-home streaming Are you properly set up? Am I properly set up? Yeah, I could be very easily my steam machine is downstairs I know I mean like is your steam account. Yes in the group. Yeah. Yeah, so guys Why don't we just do a quick run through of what in home streaming is so it's steams counter to Nvidia's game stream technology or or really any other Local streaming technology except much more open and much more flexible. I mean from the very start it's running in Linux So it's inherently open and probably going to be quite, you know hackable and play with a bull and then next up Valve is coming right out and saying look We want you to run the streaming service on anything that can possibly handle it or anything at least that can run steam So that means if you wanted to stream from your desktop PC down to a little tiny like Gigabyte bricks On your TV you could do that if you wanted to stream from your desktop PC to your laptop You could do that if you wanted to stream from your laptop to a tablet With like a controller plugged into it or a Bluetooth control on it. You could do that the idea is anything that can run steam can wirelessly beam a game or wirelessly receive a game and then send the controls back the other way, so They've released it as a beta and the verdicts are kind of rolling in although It's very much unfinished at this point and it looks like unless you're running gigabit ethernet You're probably not going to have a terrific experience if you're trying to game at 1080p 60 FPS But you can play around with the settings somewhat so you can change to 30 FPS You can change to 720p you can even go down to 720p 30 FPS if you're having trouble But from the reports I'm seeing as long as you're running a strong dual band So that is 2.4 gigahertz and 5 gigahertz Wi-Fi connection, or you have gigabit ethernet, then you're probably going to be able to 1080p at least will work on the wired connection Drop down from all that to wire connection Well, it's just a reality. I mean even with Nvidia shield so that's 70 70p 60 frames per second 70p 70 We've gone back to Commodore 64 resolutions because lol So that's 720p 60 frames per second and unless you're within a very reasonable range of your access point It's not a great experience. I mean Nvidia has done a fantastic job of Dynamically altering the image quality according to what it can handle so I don't know how much you've played with it I haven't you took both of them right that is I haven't touched one other than at the NCI's LAN Okay, cool. So basically what it does is it just reduces color depth whenever it can't handle Whenever it can't handle the data rate that it needs so as you move around the house you might have you know Really great color depth and no blockiness And then if you move further away from your access point it might become blocky and and look less clean But but it should still be low latency in theory. I mean, it's not always perfect. So I don't know how well Valves works in this regard because I haven't actually tried it yet, but there's good news NCIX keys has given us access to his steam account. He got a bit everyone at NCIX got one Wheels got an invite keys got an invite Jack got an invite neither of us Got beta access. So I'm gonna try it out. I'm gonna play around with it I'm gonna be using I'll run I'll run a proper gigabit cable down to my TV and then I'll try it with power line Because I have kind of a cheesy power line adapter down there. That isn't very good. I'll see if that works Then I'll try wireless. So I'll have to take those ubiquity access points home over the weekend But I'm really excited to play around with this guys that are interested in jumping on the beta It's not the like steam account beta opt-in. That's for other stuff This is you have to go find the in home streaming group and join the group So it's it's not gonna it's not your auto opt-in that you might have set on your account settings It's actually more than that, which some people did not realize. Oh, I'm so stoked about this I mean being able to sit in bed and You know fire up the old laptop and play desktop grade games with a controller like Well, this brings on board graphics. Yeah. Yeah, this brings back the I'm excited for like next generation thing But not necessarily for valve streaming. I want faster internal home networks Right so that we can actually support all this stuff a lot better because I found especially wireless has been a big issue in this Term I would love for you guys to tell us how important this is to you Tell us how excited you'd be about this but what do you think of trying to get our hands on a 4k display and And running that on our 10 gig network here because we here in the office We have a 10 gigabit internal network. We're using direct attached copper with SFP plus Modules that are built right into them. We have a 10 gig switch and we have a few 10 gig I have still another adapter to spare that we could throw into the steam machine and Get that fired. Well, I was thinking we should do like a big roundup so we can just add that as the like extreme ridiculous level of the roundup because we should have like a netbook and a bricks and A gaming laptop and a medium desktop and a big desktop and like a 4k setup that sounds like way more work well, we can exclude some of those like what I mean is like have a range of stuff and Show that it's probably mainly network that actually matters. Right, right, right I mean one other thing I was even thinking about already was like, okay MacBook air has Thunderbolt remember that magma external Thunderbolt PCI Express enclosure You throw a 10 gig of it adapter in there All of a sudden you've got 10 gigabit to 10 gigabit to 10 gigabit You've got a full 10 gigabit link between a gaming desktop and a Mac which can run steam So when once I actually Are you trying to justify the purchase of a MacBook or like what's what's the what's the point? Does Debian support Thunderbolt? I don't think so, but I don't know why yeah, cuz you could then you could throw steam OS on the MacBook You could get your betta. Yeah, that's that's actually interesting. I wonder if they do so. Yeah. Anyway guys, we'd love to hear People are talking about Bieber guys. We don't talk about Justin Bieber on this show That's just not that's just not a thing that we talk about. I'm sorry I wish we could because he's just so dreamy looks like it does So then we could be looking at pretty much the most lightweight possible device Running the most balling possible graphics. I mean I might not even Did I show you the thing in gigabyte suite they had they had an external? PCI Express like graphics card enclosure. Okay, they actually had this thing running using external SAS cables Well, and they're like, yeah, we're kind of working on the interface They just had they had a computer They had a computer that had like holes drilled in it and like SAS cables running out of it to like this external enclosure They're like, yeah, we're oh it was working. That's it was running. So they're like, yeah, we're working on the interface We might use like Thunderbolt or USB 3 or something. I'm like, yeah, you better do that Cuz this is this is not a this is not a good idea Maybe people could actually use the water cooling holes in their computers if they like didn't want to put a graphics card in their desktop for whatever reason SAS Express card to know it was a proprietary so proprietary interface card nice to SAS cables to external box It's like ridiculous just why but it would be cool. I don't know why but it would still be cool So anyway, this might have gotten to the point where I just don't care about that anymore Because if I could just have one device in my house that can stream to anything in my house Then why would I want a dedicated hard line between that graphics card and the other thing? So before that thing came out it now doesn't really matter. Yeah, and the stupid thing about it is Everyone's been teasing these external graphics card enclosures for so long and now we've gotten to the point where it might just not matter I mean, this is my problem with the new Mac Pro It relies on this non switchable non networked interface It relies on a point-to-point connection between device a and device B to me That is not the future that is not the connected home. That is not the connected life. That's not the Internet of Things That's not what it's about. It's about everything being able to access the same pooled resources You know cloud computing is an example of this on a much broader scale But the personal cloud is what really excites me So having that machine in your house that lives in the closet and now can be full of hard drives for your own personal cloud storage And then it can be full of graphics cards So you can beam graphics horsepower to yourself You look at this internet connectivity that the Koreans are working on. What is it 300 megabit per second? The 5G stuff? Yeah. No, it's gigabyte. Sorry. What how much? Gigabyte. I must have been looking at the internet I must have been looking at the wrong thing one gigabyte per second Yeah They want you to be able to download a movie in a second and they want you to be able to access the internet on a 500 mile an hour bullet train. Okay, so there you go one gigabyte per second connectivity if they can get the latencies down enough And remember guys we sort of you know freak out about input lag and about latency a lot But consider this for a moment I can ping Nvidia's game stream servers and I think it was about 35 milliseconds And that's from hundreds of kilometers away. I'm I'm well north of Santa Clara Okay On a more on a on a wireless connection. You might be able to achieve Let's say in the future a best case scenario if you could achieve 30 to 50 milliseconds of ping That might be doable A tv will often have in excess of 30 to 50 milliseconds of input lag Consider that if you can game on a tv if you could have a nice low latency display on a device like a shield or a phone And pretty much the only delay left was that network connection? You could actually have and if you had faster home internet, so we've got fiber here now So even you don't need a ton of bandwidth. You just need a consistent connection So between fiber and having a consistent wireless connection You could actually be looking at beaming your cloud storage your cloud computing to yourself pretty much wherever you want That is the future not An octopus of you know thunderbolt cables coming out of one box However, beautiful and small and actually quiet I finally had a chance to see a new mac pro in person and it is phenomenally quiet I got to give them that anyway, I don't think so the the uh 5g technology that they're showing off can beam Giga byte per second over more than gigabyte per second over a distance of two kilometers How unbelievable here? Why don't we why don't we launch into that just because I think i'm pretty much done with steam in home streaming and You know candy you valve for not Including us in that super unhappy, but at least I get to try it Yeah, that's a good point. This won't be ready for commercial for until about 2020 and they're gonna do like testing of it We're not talking about in-home streaming. We're talking about yeah, sorry, but you guys haven't seen yet I wasn't sure you were up yet or not Which will be ready for testing like I said in 2017 and ready for commercial service in 2020 Hopefully this is a bid for korea to try and get more on the network infrastructure side of things They've been really really big obviously Hold on hold on just a second I've seen you. Sorry guys. Sorry guys. I wasn't sure you were I got this I got this Yeah, yeah, was that running the whole time? No, no, no, no, no, I i've been monitoring. Okay. Yeah, don't worry. It's all good Okay. Okay. Sorry talk about this. So 1.5 billion bucks On movie in a second service Yeah And this second service was tested a lot by samsung and samsung was able to beam faster than like I already said faster than gigabyte Per second for two kilometers this would enable people to access it on bullet trains going faster than 500 kilometers an hour Which is ridiculous. I might have said 500 miles previously. It's 310 miles an hour 500 kilometers an hour That's absurd right now. The cap is 300 300 kilometers an hour. Yeah So to put this in perspective guys one gigabyte per second after you know overhead the quick and dirty conversion is 10x If you want to get to gigabyte, so this is effectively as fast as a thunderbolt connection And obviously not every individual user is going to get that kind of Of data throughput all the time and much like that test they were doing in london This is a this is a proof of concept right now by the time it gets rolled out to mass market We could be looking at much lower cost Infrastructure and sort of that 80 20 rule How can we spend 20 as much as we did on that research project and achieve 80% of those results or even 60%? Of those results, but either way if I could get Anywhere near that if I could get a hundred megabytes per second that would be gigabit speeds on something like this Now we're talking that's still insane like absolutely insane And the whole idea of this is korea is saying that with 2g 3g and 4g They saw a national boost of just like everything like national growth was just better with those infrastructures So the idea with 5g is we're going to do that again and the idea is that they're going to be producing network infrastructure So right now they're really big in the mobile handheld game But they want to be really big in the infrastructure that goes behind pushing data to those they expect to see 20% of that Uh telecom infrastructure by 2020 and I think they're running at about like 4.4% now. So it's actually a huge increase And given how quickly mobile is growing that that probably really smart could be a lot more than five times or four times What they're doing now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah That's pretty crazy samsung was able to do it by harnessing millimeter wave bands Which were apparently a huge issue. Tell me something and i'd love to hear you know, what let's do a twitter blitz We don't do those enough these days. That's true a twitter blitz guys Would you consider moving? Like let's let's use south korea as an example. Okay, would you consider packing your packing your candy? And moving across the globe for better It infrastructure If you were living in somewhere with like basically craptastic internet that you're paying way too much for would you go? Okay, i'm willing to do what so many immigrants have done the other way around Let's let's i'm going to talk to the north americans out there You know the people who just drop everything and come to this, you know The the new world so to speak to to make their fortune. Would you be willing to do the opposite? Would you be willing to move to south korea to get much much better internet and television service and You know mobile broadband and you know access to better handsets and all that kind of stuff Are you a technology enabled lifestyle enough person that that would matter enough to you to move? Would love to hear from you guys on this. How about you personally? Yes, but I think ours is at least good enough that i'm not there right now What if okay because define good enough. It's good enough for what we do with it. Yeah, it's good enough for email It's good enough for streaming low quality video Um, but nothing, you know 4k or anything obviously What if by moving to okay here? So stay with me. What if 2020 rolls around? Okay? oculus is Hold on. You know, you're gonna win with this. Hold on. Hold on. Okay, so oculus is wireless by this time dirty. Okay, uh Valve has released steam for android Okay, okay And you could literally be sitting on a train Playing a game on a bullet train traveling at 500 kilometers an hour Maybe faster than that by then maybe faster than that by then playing a game that's running on your desktop at home with full 4k graphics Would you move for that experience if back here in north america? We're still on 4g and we're like figuring out how to play like netflix on our phones still and dealing with uh, you know bandwidth caps I could see that I could actually see that maybe not for the bullet train thing But there's a billion and one other examples that could work like and the bullet train one's not a bad example. It's just yeah um That yeah, that would be pretty cool because there's stuff like people are talking about the the valve holodeck Mm-hmm like if that kind of by 2020 like they're talking this kind of stuff should be consumer not necessarily the holodeck but like valve is saying that uh That vr should be consumer ready and good like actually really good and that's valve saying it should be good In the next like two years, right? It's not 2020. It should be freaking epic by 2020 So so it's it's it's the the possibilities all the possibilities. So yes, probably Because vr i'm kind of i'm kind of Kind of really liking the whole vr thing. All right, let's go ahead and see what the folks on twitter think Um, johan says no because porn is censored in korea. That's actually kind of a valid console shield Yeah, actually speaking of show sponsors hot spot shield is not our sponsor today But you used hot spot shield in korea, right? Yep. Uh, we could not access any google services for some reason Uh in our hotel lobby and we didn't have wi-fi. We didn't have uh mobile connections at the time So we only had wi-fi possibilities and we had to sit in the hotel lobby and somehow communicate with each other So hot spot shield google services. Yay So hot spot shield google services. Yay. Yeah. Anyway, there you go had a plan to move to oh Someone was apparently already thinking about it, but we don't know who it is anymore. Where did it go? Oh my goodness what to happen there, I don't know. Oh, okay. Here we go. Here we go Uh emo polar bear had a plan to move to sweden for better it and education. Oh, that's yeah, that's my friend I know him dar darthel figures. Nope. Nope Uh, I would absolutely move to south korea for phenomenally better internet It's funny because when you talk about country growth and how you can stimulate it Better infrastructure. This is I mean you look at the you look at the candy backwards way We're doing it here in canada where they build a bridge and then put a toll on it An enormous toll one that can that one that costs even If you're a regular user and you buy a pass about seven dollars a day to get to and from work I mean when you factor in that minimum wage here is ten dollars and the income tax on a minimum wage earner could be anywhere from After sales taxes for things like food could be as much as like 30 We're talking about an hour of your day an eighth of your day. If you're a full-time laborer Just to cross a bridge that doesn't even factor in gas and whatever else if you're expected to drive a car Which if you're in that municipality you pretty much have to because the public transit here is terrible I've changed how I get over there. Oh, I know I go in different routes because it's so expensive So people are like, oh it'll save on gas. You don't weigh in traffic that much That's the that's that's the candy backwards way of doing things You give people things that they need. I mean the romans had this figured out you build roads and the the economic advantages will come No, we're like, well, no, we have to you have to pay us for the road after we build it Anyway, so south korea is investing They are making their country a better place to live and we're seeing it in the responses already Yeah, I would I would move to I would move to a country that offers better infrastructure and better services Anyway, so slow-growth figures. Yes Peter figures. Yeah, I would if I had the money and candy is trademarked that Yeah, no, they're trying I wouldn't move but I would keep it in mind if I was ever on a trip near there I would totally move from America says Mitch. Nope in Ohio. I got what I need In Singapore, there's already one gigabyte per second plants not for uh, not for mobile. That's not what we're talking about Uh, yep. Yes. Yes No, unless they're willing to lower prices change piracy laws and have a government like ours hashtag democracy um lower prices on what I don't and I don't know what the government system is because I don't No, I wouldn't but I would appreciate if the canadian isps would get their candy together. Yep. Gotcha Yeah, if I could still speak english, then yes, that's an interesting but this is like it doesn't necessarily have to be korea as well I think I think the question is more would you move? I did specifically say korea though. Yeah Okay, I sure i'm sure would can't get enough even willing to pay more. They just won't give it up Uh, not unless us became more terrible. Okay, that's from david. I would move from germany to korea for internet Wow, look at that No doubt I would jump on the next plane. This is a lot of people saying yes It's actually a little bit more people saying yes than I expected This is a lot more than I was expecting chance asks if i've learned about if i've heard about limelight pie And asks to talk about it. We were actually discussing that earlier this week Um, it's not one of our topics for the show today specifically But we might as well talk about a little bit. Um, the last time I tried limelight was over a month ago So I don't know if what i'm saying is valid anymore, but it's a terrible experience This was using an nvidia shield and then I also tried it on an htc one which has a qualcomm processor So it should support the h264 hardware decoding that is required for the best possible experience And it just wasn't very good. It was extremely laggy compared to uh nvidia game stream and i'd be willing to give it another shot in the next little bit here, but um Basically what chance is asking about is sort of a movement right now to use limelight Which is could be used for game streaming and already kind of works on a raspberry pie To have a very very low power very small very efficient game streaming box That's really really cool because if it did work really well, I don't know. I haven't tried it at all and so a while ago Incredibly cheap. Yeah, you could basically strap a raspberry pie to the back of every single display you own And have all your gaming horsepower right there and I think that is the future I mean, oh man. Okay. You already have a wireless bluetooth speaker in your shower. Yep, if you could have a wireless Waterproof game controller in your shower You could have like a tablet dock and you could literally game in the shower. I'd be down. I already danced and sang So yeah, so you might as well game. Yeah, I mean waterproof oculus. Okay. Now we're probably I'd probably still do that. Probably go a little bit you could just do like mario under under sea levels Oh my god What the candy's wrong with you nothing I like my candy oculus All right Uh, let's move on to our next topic. I think speech recognition hack potentially turns chrome into a An advanced bugging device. This was posted on the forum by fushi and the original article is by ours Technica, so I think you had done a little bit more looking into this than I had so it's not like if you just skim it real quick, it's not quite as bad as it first looks because What happens is you go to you have to go to a website and tell that website that you can that it can use your mic The problem is it's not disabling it when you tell it to so you you tell it to disable your mic You go to a different website That website then has to have a pop-up that you have to not close And then it can record what you're saying because that pop-ups there and can record it But like the amount of times that that series of events will properly happen is I don't think very high Although it is still a serious problem I'm not saying it's not a serious problem and I can't believe they haven't fixed it as they've known for four months Which is kind of crazy. They say it's not evil, but it could very easily be used for something bad and Someone other than the person that found it might find a way to run this say without a pop-up Would the second you remove the pop-up or pop under? It's I think becomes a much bigger deal Yeah Because the the second the second there isn't that thing that everyone has trained themselves to automatically close immediately It's like way more serious because there's gonna be a lot more websites where their voice activated Google now if you go to Google's homepage Has their voice activation, but Not there maybe on chrome has their yeah, I guess it would be chrome has their voice activation button So people that are searching Google based on voice That's now a thing and then if it wasn't a pop-up, it would be a lot easier for that to happen. There we go Yeah, here it is guys in case you haven't seen it yet So the voice activation button just on the right side of the search bar So if he presses that tell me about the privacy issues associated with your voice record Oh, I have to click allow. So there you go. You have to click allow. Yep Tell me about the privacy issues that this voice activation is going to cause Oh Cost it was doing so well up till then it was all right So there's something about Google Glass something about Xbox one Anyway, that's not really the point of our conversation right now So so I think it's slightly sensationalized as I think a lot of people freaked out immediately But I really don't think very many people are gonna run up into this As people automatically close pop-ups and I don't think that many people are using Not everyone automatically closes pop-ups I mean, I think that sometimes you're guilty of this and I think sometimes we all are of Assuming a level of technical competence that other people don't have that's my thing It's not technical competence. It's people being annoyed pop unders are completely different story And what she's talking about in the video is a pop under because you might not notice it and it especially Okay for years my mom refused to click the x button in the top right I've never met someone like that in all my like tech support years She insisted on clicking the little line because she was used to I don't know windows 3.1 or something Where and and like even in 3.1 you weren't supposed to do that. Like everything would just be like piled up at the bottom There are people that exist That do not close pop-ups but then how many of them are gonna have a setup that has a mic where they can use voice activation for search with a laptop Any one of them because that's what I just did on my laptop All I had to do was click allow once. Have you ever done that outside of that environment? Which environment? The one we just had on the show? No. Yeah, but that's not that's not the point like someone like you could disguise I mean, okay You look at scams that you and I kind of laugh at. Who who who your viruses blah blah blah blah click yes now That is what we're talking about here Yeah, that's very true. And like it will happen. That's why I'm saying I just don't think it'll happen as much and because there's gonna be such in my opinion a small demographic that you can target with this I don't think there's gonna be a crazy amount of websites out there pushing for this because when you're making a viral website They're pushing for this because when you're making a virus or something, you're looking at I think you underestimate the market of dumb candies That are out there Um Yeah, I know but like that's that's the whole thing where people were saying like oh, there's no viruses on macs It's because the market was much smaller There's more viruses on windows not because mac was harder to write viruses for but because there was such a larger user base So your target you think because there are so few people with laptops with microphones No, so a few people that are gonna actually do this like in in the example in the video She goes to a website where you can make a to-do list with your voice. Yes How many people are gonna do that? Not very many Like how many how many times is someone gonna go to a website? Okay, how about this? What if you created a pop-up that made someone go to a website? Where it convinced them that their bank needed a voice clip from them for security. That's actually not too bad That's what i'm trying to say. How are you pushing that pop-up? What? Some other website Like no, no, but really like consider the consider the nigerian prince Okay, oh I knew this was gonna come up enough people fall for that that it still exists Yeah, and that they're still doing it enough people actually send money to someone never mind Just record a voice clip, which is seemingly completely innocuous This is this is where I knew the nigerian prince was gonna come out The nigerian prince is like is like if we had a card game, okay The linus media group card game would have the nigerian prince card and that would be the trump card All right, you play the nigerian prince and it's all over. Yep. Yep. It's done. It's over at least The whole time we were talking I was like it's gonna come out at some point and then i'm done Totally screwed. Yeah. Yeah, so they need to fix that they do. I can't believe it hasn't like even Even despite what I was arguing with um, they've known for four months I can't believe it hasn't been fixed because like no matter how small of an issue I might think it is It's still an issue. Yeah, and it still should have been fixed and they're like, oh, it's not evil But it can very easily be used for evil They even have things where it can it can start up the recording based if it hears certain words So if you say like nsa or syria, it'll start recording. Um, it hashtag killed your wife It could probably start recording that um, and and it can it can like manipulate that text So it can it can take that text and save it somewhere else specifically be easily because it shows in the video She says nsa in syria and it like bolds it makes it big Formats a little bit makes it red meaning that you could pull those out easily with a different program and then save them somewhere, right? Speaking of privacy concerns Microsoft offers overseas data storage in response to nsa concerns This is posted by hd zx on the forum and the original article is from the verge This to me is okay Like everyone else is probably talking about the implications of the overseas data storage and How that may or may not actually affect the nsa's ability to steal the data? I mean it would probably cause more of a fuss with the local government of wherever the data storage is Um, but it seems like they haven't cared about that in the past So I don't know how much that'll help but to me This is more of a potential long-term extremely Dangerous path that the u.s. Is headed down. Yep. I I mean right now One of what you look to you look to the huge u.s based corporations That are are driving revenue into the country the microsoft's and google's and apple's of the world If you candy those guys off enough Why wouldn't they just leave and this could be a thickly veiled? Attempt to slowly move infrastructure out so you can move out So all of a sudden microsoft has been forced not even necessarily because they want to but they have been forced to move Their resources out of the country not only that but remember the whole like made in the usa and I mean i'm talking north America in general, you know, um Apple's push new mag pro assembled in the usa, you know that being a selling point all of a sudden The u.s government has created so much Negativity around this data security and privacy issue that now it is a selling point that they've outsourced it It there's there's actually there's a there was mainly a while ago Uh, not really now as far as I can tell a huge phobia about made in china. Well, there always is but um, because of security issues What if they bugged the chip or what if they did whatever right? So so people were worried about that a lot and I see less people worried about that now And now people are worried about that in america. Yeah, just like how did you screw that up so hard? Well, actually we know exactly how they screwed that up so hard So That's that's extremely that's extremely troubling to me how they could have let this get so far out of hand So there's there's a few things that people are bringing up which you already dismissed some of them But um like like there's the thing brought up a while ago how the nsa had actually Penetrated into microsoft yahoo and google and all like a ton of different guys internal networks. So like does this even help? Maybe not probably still in there. I don't know but either way microsoft is moving out and like you said The biggest thing probably is the fact that they're moving infrastructure out and they could potentially I mean They would have already needed data centers overseas. Yeah, but now they have an excuse to move more of it. Yeah more exactly interesting more microsoft news Yeah, that's not all that's not all positive for microsoft this week. There's a big hubbub around uh microsoft paying youtubers for mentions So let's go ahead and fire that up over here. This is posted on the forum by devil z and uh Dude, you really gotta flesh things out a little bit more. The original article is from ours technica so stealth marketing microsoft paying youtubers for xbox one mentions, so Microsoft was involved machinima the multi-channel network was involved and i'd like to start by saying that We have nothing to do with machinima and just because some youtubers are partnered with machinima doesn't necessarily mean they're bad people It just means they might have gotten suckered a little bit machinima's reputation among the youtuber community is quite negative They've done some pretty shady stuff over the years including things like perpetual contracts with youtubers which are illegal and then perpetual contracts with underage youtubers, which is Illegal too. So they're both illegal and then pressuring these people and making them feel like they can't leave and they can't get out Like machinima has not always been the most um Straight-edge company necessarily but with that said Um, you know what? Okay, you know what here i'll let you explain what was going on and then i'll weigh in with my spiel I'd love to hear what you guys think on twitter about this as well linus tech on twitter All right, explain what you was going on as in like how they were doing it Yeah, just talk about what happened. So there's they they proposed a three dollar cpm So you'd get three extra dollars per thousand views that you got and there was a lot by the way It's it adds up. There was some prerequisites though. You had to be a machinima partner You had to have at least 30 seconds of xbox one game footage You had to mention the xbox one by name and you had to include the tag xb1m13 Um, there was also a few other things like in the guidelines for it May not say anything negative or disparaging about machinima xbox one or any of its games So it had to include footage you had to mention xbox one by name and you had to be positive No matter what you don't have to be positive. You can't say anything disparaging Okay, that there's a difference. I guess you could be neutral. You could be neutral You could be neutral. So it'd be positive or neutral. But if they put a clause that says don't say anything negative I think the implication is you should say something positive. So you're not wrong. You're just not necessarily technically, right? Yeah, okay um so so this and like quite a few people jumped on it actually and machinima got flamed for it and then there's other big problems like Uh, the main thing being that I don't think too many people would have had a big problem with it if they were open about it A lot of youtubers did this without mentioning the whole kickback thing because I think it had to be confidential Um, I think there's actually somewhere in here. Yeah, it had to be confidential in some form Uh, you must also keep details of the promotional agreement confidential in order to qualify for payment So the idea is if if it was super transparent, I don't think too many people would have cared much But because it was so shady a lot of people cared There's actually ftc guidelines saying that say you received a gift from someone and then you did a did coverage on it In some way it has not necessarily a gift like even a review sample. Yeah Um, actually, I don't know if a review sample quality. Yeah. Yeah, I think it does You have to you have to you have to specify and this is in america in canada I actually don't have to tell you guys that I got a sample I think it's implied though, um, because usually i'll tell you guys I bought it if it isn't a review sample So yeah, and then throwing that out there extra things like like the oculus review that's coming out or came out I guess for me I bought that and then there's a wee you one coming out soon that was purchased as well like Usually unless it's like unboxing blah blah blah blah blah. We we actually bought it. Yeah Um, yeah, I guess that's my take on it so, um Problem or not a problem. I think problem I think there is a problem here, but not necessarily for the reasons that a lot of people think I think the clause about not saying anything disparaging about microsoft machinima or games is maybe I don't actually think that's necessarily that bad because it's implied It's implied and and well, okay The problem is if you had something negative to say just don't take it. Yes Yeah, so like if you take you can take this bonus you have to say something nice You cannot take this bonus and say whatever the hell you want. There's candy. Okay, whatever the candy you want It's it's optional so that I don't necessarily mind. I don't like the you have to keep it confidential blah blah blah So here's the thing. Um, for example our square space sponsorship Um, for example our square space sponsorship, um, there's a confidentiality class Okay, I can't tell you guys how much square space is paying us when they sponsor the land show For example So that I and i'm not saying that's the same thing. It's not i'm just saying that it's fairly typical For a sponsorship or advertising agreement to have some kind of confidentiality It's not the it's not the fact that there is one. It's the details within no, you're right You're right. I am 100 allowed to disclose that square space is a sponsor of the show And in fact, I feel quite strongly that anyone who is sponsoring us anyone who is directly giving us money to bring our content to you guys you guys should know about it because you guys should be like Good job square space for recognizing that we like this content and we want to see more of it Thank you very much for allowing linus and his team to keep making it I mean I personally think that sponsorships and support should be as public as possible and you guys are more than welcome to ask me At any time who our sponsors are and i'll be happy to tell you yes This was paid for this wasn't paid for and these guys are sponsors or these guys are not sponsors. That's all great Um, oh look at that hotspot shield just sent me an email hotspot shield happens to be a sponsor as well Uh, the issue here more than anything else is not disclosing that microsoft I mean even if you were to say even if they were to say something as simple as Um microsoft asked me to do this xbox one gameplay video Yeah, so I want to take a moment to thank microsoft and Talk to you guys a little bit about the xbox one And show you this gameplay and like like the fact that they said it has to be positive doesn't necessarily mean that it's skewing The person's views person might have already had positive things to say about it So they're not I don't that that part i'd yeah On the other hand it might have and I think when you look at the terms of this campaign It seems to be designed to target guys who otherwise might not necessarily have been talking about the xbox one But with all of that said Everyone who took the money knew the terms before they took the money So If you have a problem with the way that any of this was implemented then take it up with the youtuber I mean, I don't agree with microsoft's approach and I don't particularly care for machinima's way of doing business either Let's make that abundantly clear But if you don't like what a youtuber is taking money for your issue is with the youtuber not necessarily with the sponsor You'll notice we don't have an xbox one video No, we don't we have an xbox one it's over there in the corner collecting dust like it should be Has it turned on? Did I mention it? Hold on let's do 30 seconds of uh gameplay footage We can show like the gameplay versus pc footage because all we said is it was sitting there We didn't say it was doing a bad job It's doing a quite good job of sitting there. Yeah, it looks great. It hasn't broken the connect Yeah Not broken Not broken xbox one because we haven't turned it on Oh, love it. I guess it's like it's like uh, what is it? Simpler apparently someone from pc master race subreddit got an email to promote the xbox one I mean guerrilla marketing is not a new thing There's also someone in here telling us that uh, we're in video sponsored believe it or not We're not nvidia hasn't done any paid promotion with us in about a year So there you go Oh man Um, all right, let's move on to our next topic. I think of nvidia sponsorship speaking of it. Oh what's going on amd? Oh, yeah No, let's do the nvidia topic first. Okay. Yeah, here we go. All right, so we've got an nvidia topic here for you guys Black is back. This is just a rumor, but I hope there's uh, well actually I don't know what I think about this rumor It might just be a totally stupid rumor It was posted by brown ninja 97 on the forum. The original article is from videocards dot com So there you go nvidia to launch g force gtx titan black edition and g force gtx 790 The titan black edition looks like a somewhat real mock-up that gtx 790 No, does not look like a real thing at all Looks like the titan one with an mspaint black thing and then like some text over it and maybe sort of the correct font Um But basically the rumor is that the 790 would be a dual gk 110 card Which is gotta be difficult kind of terrifying obviously it wouldn't have the same clock speeds or all the same functional units And then the titan black edition is rumored to be a fully unlocked because remember the original gtx titan Does not have all of the gk 110 functional units. It actually is missing some coup de corps smx's. I guess they call them now um But we might see so we might see that card come in with there's rumors about memory bus There's rumors about how much memory will be on them But we might get a replacement for time because remember titan doesn't make any sense for a gamer anymore Unless you're running like 4k surround every single time we say this and like someone got super pissed I don't know. I think it was 780 super candied on the 70ti video because I said, uh Titans aren't really gaming cards anymore like Super candied and I was like man if you bought it bought it a long time ago and you've enjoyed it this entire time That's totally fine. I'm not saying that's a bad thing I'm saying like if you're looking into it now and you're strictly looking to buy a gaming card titan makes This much sense. Yeah, unless you you need the extra frame buffer Otherwise gtx 780ti is better in every possible way and cheaper Yeah, um, so so a titan refresh because remember titan is not valid for gaming But it's very important for kuda developers or anyone who wants to use the double precision capabilities of the card So for compute titan might still make a lot of sense and it'd be nice If titan purchasers could get a fully unlocked chip as well So I just don't I don't know if I buy this Because the rumor says launch date february 2014 to march 2014 But that's maxwell time frame. Yeah. Yeah Um, I I find it very odd now now, especially with the 790 with like the crappy paint overlay Um, but the the the titan black edition we've seen leaks of that colored cooler before. Yes, we have So it could have easily just been like, oh we're gonna turn it make it vertical put it in this line and then yay Um, so i'm not entirely sure about that It could be real and I wouldn't be surprised because when the 780ti came out We talked about like why isn't there one with six gigs? Yeah, what the heck so like that's a titan black edition Yeah, so i'm would not be surprised if that one's real I would be fairly surprised if the 790 is real because I mean well the thing about a 790 is if they did manage to Keep power and thermals under control. I mean remember too 780ti is still Kicks out less heat and consumes less power than the competing amd cards Yeah, so if they did manage to cram two of them onto a pcb It would probably be significantly faster than even whatever maxwell can cook up Yeah, like it's the only reason why i'm like nacing it a little bit is just because that's gotta be hard And it's gotta be expensive. It's a big die crazy expensive like it says like 999 plus I expect that plus to be fairly large. Nvidia's hasn't done that yet They've done 999 quite a few times in the past. I believe 6800 ultra was up near that price point. Let me just let me just double check. I think 6800 ultra was when Um msrp at launch hold on was when the the super expensive graphics card thing really happened Um, and then they did it again with 8800 ultra that was a thousand dollar card But they've never gone above that as far as I remember I just the only reason why I say that is because with the titan black edition coming right behind it It like right behind it at 999 It seems weird to release a 790 right after that at 999 again Why not because they had 590 running at 999? at the same time at or rather 690 running at 999 at the same time as titan where the 690 was the gaming card and the titan was the compute and also because it had a much better gpu gaming card But if they had a 790 and the titan black at 999, I don't see why that's an issue necessarily It would just be interesting and I think we'd have the same thing we had with early titan adopters with the titan black Where they'd be like why why did this happen? Although SLIs kind of still I'm still not a huge fan of two chips What are you looking up sir, I'm trying to find that pricing so FX 5950 380 bucks 6800 ultra extreme was only 600 I was wrong. So that was that was the top tier Unobtainium card along with the x800 xt platinum edition both of which were very difficult to find and were basically just Vaporware so 8800 ultra might have been the first one then okay But at any rate, it's all rumors right now. We don't know if any of that is true I actually have heard nothing from Nvidia about any of this stuff. So there you go. All right, January 24th Oh, why am I even saying that? The title of the document All right So there's been some talk about Kaveri and some of the things that AMD could or could not have done and may or may not Do oh, I think I asked them for a Twitter blitz. Let's go. Let's go back to the Twitter blitz Don't forget the Twitter blitz you guys Actually didn't get that message from anyone, but I figure that's what someone would say If they thought we forgot the Twitter blitz. Is that the Ubuntu font on your Twitter handle in the lower third, dude? I have no idea Isn't there a law in the US that says paid content has to be disclosed If you receive the item for free so that there's so thin for the sake of full disclosure You have to be like yo, I got this for free So take whatever I say that's positive about it with a grain of salt in Canada That law does not exist and I'm Canadian. Although we kind of usually yeah anyways, we're not and what we take it upon Ourself to say negative things even if it was free Opinions should not be bought. The viewers are the victim not the I didn't say the youtubers were the victim I said they were the culprit. Yeah, I think you're misunderstanding what I said Terry says the issue is that there is such a negative Stigma about the Xbox one that it would create more negativity if they were open about this But it creates even more if they get caught Yeah, and you know what? It's funny that you mentioned the negativity around Xbox one because it's really a lot of it seems unfair It's not the ps4 is not Revolutionarily better than Xbox one. Yeah, it's faster hardware wise and it does have some advantages But Sony is every bit as evil as Microsoft like let's not kid ourselves Sony is the king of proprietary Oh, yeah, although a Microsoft's whole thing with the chat cable on the Xbox one the check. Yeah Xbox 360 compatible headsets need a proprietary adapter that you must buy From Microsoft in order to plug any other microphone into it. It's pretty ridiculous And then the fact that the controller doesn't work on PC anyway, Sony has a long history many discs memory stick The the memory units that go into their professional grade camcorders at every turn They try to make things proprietary and horrible. So, you know, let's not let's not herald them as a white knight just yet So I do this is this like the fastest car on the road argument though like PlayStation isn't necessarily a white knight, but yeah, this is a lot darker They're both speeding just one of them speeding a lot more Dimitri says please do not underestimate the stupidity of the human race. I try Xbox is better than PC says Logan Good luck with that Confidentiality. Oh, why do I keep I don't have enough margin for error here? I need more margin for error If it were fully disclosed and absolutely no problem with it being hidden, but that's terrible. Someone should be sued I don't think lawsuits are necessarily always the answer either Okay, let's go ahead and go down. Isn't there a law that says paid content has to be disclosed I don't think so. I mean, it's not like we go to a movie theater and they tell you like hey We were paid to make this I think sometimes it's implied. I don't think it always has to be explicitly said I think it doesn't I think it has to be not hidden Like it was specifically hidden. Okay, product placement hidden If the main character but like you if you a frosty mug of whatever ale Someone's trying to sell looks at the camera like this come on. How many times have I seen that? But if you like somehow asked them They wouldn't say no and like a lot of times you can actually figure out exactly how much money was put into product So it comes down to that confidentiality clause. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's the problem So if a three dollars is pretty low for breaking FTC guidelines Yeah, potentially although three dollars. It's a good CPM But it's like he said you're breaking FTC like if we could generate a hundred thousand views like a lot of game streamers can and pump out Like five videos we're talking like 15 grand For like five videos if you can reach a hundred thousand views with them. I mean that's that's This is bad for the consumer, but doesn't happen all the time. Yes Seems super shady But from what I heard this is more of a machinima bad than a Microsoft one and that's actually Interesting and like I said the blame lies not not necessarily on one head here Why you no tweet you started I uploaded the video that should have created a tweet Nope. Unchecked. Oh Bollocks. Oh Whoops, we probably should have tweeted that It's okay. What do you use for your Pebble watch face? I'm actually a total loser and I use one of the default ones I haven't played around with the Pebble nearly as much as I probably should have and now that they're releasing their app store soon I've gotten kind of lazy about it. So I'm just gonna wait for that Also, I have a Qualcomm talk coming soon So that'll be an excuse to really dig into the Pebble and really spend some time with it So I can be properly comparative between the two of them Google voice would be cool for online shopping or doing research papers. That's what they want you to think Dun dun dun Dun dun dun I posted this in the forum about a new cooling option now's not really a time for us to be following links and reading stuff Sorry. 762ASLR780. Personally, I'd go 780 Yeah We were both more single card guys these days I believe candy is already trademarked. Although Did you run into any issues testing 780TISLI on that rig? I'm just curious No Okay But like a little bit of tearing actually But tearing is tearing. That's probably just because your frame rate was so high Yeah, but no like no driver issues. No game crash. Okay, nothing like that Yeah, cuz I mean our whole single cards are better is sort of based on neither of us having run an SLI setup in a couple of generations now But then I built systems for people that requested SLI that have had problems later on There you go I'd move. Have you heard about the Intel NUC? Yes, I've heard of the Intel NUC And yeah, it could be interesting with steam streaming in mind just like any small low power PC Someone says did you forget to post that the show is up considering we have 3600 viewers? Yeah, no, the the actual post did go up All right, just come over to Oz and get great internet. No, I don't think so Back into the we're back into the internet debate. So there you go. That was all we really got for the whole Microsoft marketing thing All right. So let's talk about AMD's potential with Kavari So Kavari for those of you who don't know is AMD's new generation APU. So that is a CPU and a GPU fused into one and now with even more benefit to that than before Because if I recall correctly Intel was actually the first one with Linfield to ship a CPU and a GPU on the same core even though they weren't on the same die There was actually a GPU die and then a CPU die right next to each other with a fast interconnect So while AMD wasn't necessarily the first one to deliver an APU to market they are the ones calling it APU and they have finally justified that with the highest technology APU that we've ever seen And it now features HSA. So that's heterogeneous system architecture, which means that an APU has four CPU cores and up to eight GPU cores And AMD is basically going well, we're gonna call that 12 cores now. Don't worry on the box They still specify what kind of cores the 12 are but we're gonna call it 12 cores because that processor is now capable of at the same time Working on up to 12 discrete threads, even if they're all part of the same task because of its Huma technology The CPU cores and the GPU cores can both access the same memory at the same time So they can both use your system RAM and work on the same tasks and collaborate as opposed to the GPU core sitting and waiting for instructions from the CPU And then passing information back and forth over PCI Express. This is extremely exciting And it also has huge implications for the value of higher end memory subsystems in desktop PCs It's been quite a while. Actually, it's been since the memory controller moved on die Since higher speed memory has really made much of a difference within a single CPU generation So we've gone all the way from DDR1 to DDR3 without seeing what looks like a generational leap in memory performance It's just kind of been incremental small improvements as manufacturing processes have improved over time Now, I mean, A&D was according to this article. So the original article is from... Actually, there's a lot of articles linked here. So one from AnonTech, there's one from Hot Hardware And then there's another one from... Wow. That top one is Slash.dot. Slash.dot, okay. And then another one from Slash.dot. So it was posted by Vitalis on the forum and there's some evidence suggesting that AMD considered GDDR5 for Kaveri So why would they do that? Well, I pulled up this. So this is a... Oh balls. Oh, where'd it go? Where did it go? Oh no. Where'd that Corsair blog go? History man. Come on. Was it in Chrome? Yeah, it might have been in Chrome. Make sure you don't activate your mic and ignore a pop-up. Recent tabs. Come back to me. Come back to me recent tabs. Recently closed. Oh no. If you were candy ready for this, we wouldn't be going through this right now. I wonder how many people get that. Here we go. Alright, I found it. Alright guys, so Corsair has an interesting blog showing us the improvement in performance. Oh, right, right, right. So I was going to say we haven't seen much of a difference even with things like Intel Launching triple channel and quad channel memory controllers. If you go back and look at some of the old reviews back when LGA 1366 and 2011 launched of folks going, okay, well let's try single channel, dual channel, triple channel, quad channel. Yeah, not much of a difference because latency actually goes up as you add more channels. Whereas the bandwidth also increases, but if those two performance... So higher latency is bad and higher bandwidth is good. And a lot of the times they were almost pretty much offsetting each other to the point where it really didn't make much difference at all. Well now we could be looking at a different situation. So this is from Corsair's blog and let's see who wrote it. This is by Dustin, Dustin Sklavos. So he used to work for an ONTECH. So he's doing some interesting testing here. So this is memory bandwidth going from 1600 to 1866 to 2133 to 2400. So you can see that the read and write performance, which are the blue and the red lines, so particularly the blue one, faster reads, are increasing as we add more bandwidth, even though latencies are also increasing. And this is amounting to... Check this out. Did you mean blue and green? No, no, no, that was right. These are amounting to... Check this out. So these are different games. Bioshock Infinite 720p, Bioshock Infinite 1080p, Grid 2 720p, and Grid 2 1080p, an almost matching line when using the onboard graphics. Wow. So if you could potentially, I don't know, add... And this is another thing that is rumored to potentially be in there. If you could add quad channel memory support or you could have memory that runs at, you know, two times the frequency, we could be looking at onboard graphics that absolutely destroy anything anyone could do with integrated graphics in the past. And you might go, OK, well, Linus, that's very interesting. I guess onboard graphics are kind of... But think about this. What about HSA then? So let's say you add a discrete graphics card to your system. That's cool. You could be game on that. But what if your Photoshop filters or your Premiere or... I'm trying a complete blank. After Effects or whatever kind of pro-grade visual effects program you're using could be accelerated by those GPU cores and you could increase the speed of them a couple times just by having faster memory. Wow. And considering some of the demos that we saw at the Kaveri Tech Day, we could be looking at... I mean, already Kaveri in an optimized environment, which is easier to code for than it has been in the past because it's all compliant with OpenCL 2.0. Already they're leaving competitors in the dust. We could be looking at a whole new world of performance with faster memory for the first time in a very long time outside of the server space. I think AMD's timing could not have been better because this time last year, all doom and gloom. Will AMD exist in however long? Like, look at their stock levels. Look at how much money they lost. All this kind of stuff. And now it's Intel sitting there with a few series of processors being released and people still liking 2600Ks and 2500Ks more than some of the new ones. Myself still running at 2600K and being completely fine and happy with it because I don't see that much of a gain by moving up. Comparing to AMD where it's like, look at all this stuff we're doing right now. Look at all this stuff we might be doing in the future and look at all this stuff we almost did and look at all these things we're planning for. And what about these theoretical combinations of things that could be amazing? And like, I don't know, I see AMD moving much more aggressively in the next little while. Yeah, it's very, very, very exciting. Speaking of things that are exciting... Really? You see why I hate this thing? Touch to click doesn't work. See? Not enabled. So why is it that palm detection is causing me to lose focus on a window? What is going on here? No one can see that happened. Trying to do a sponsor read here. Alright, so thank you Squarespace for sponsoring the WAN Show. I'm in an angry mood so you're going to get an extremely angry sponsor read. We really appreciate you guys making it possible for us to do this. 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So if you go to squarespace.com slash logo or if you just go to their website and go to the menu here, and then go to logos, you will load up the logo maker. So this is actually kind of cool. I created a little logo here which took me just a couple of moments. So you just key in some text. So it could be like, oops, no, come back. You can use controllers on PCs. The WAN show. And then weekly analysis and news. Okay. Well, it can't help you spell any better. But what it does allow you to do is move things around. You can take your little logos here. They have a little search thing here. So they have some default ones. And I was actually a little bit confused about this at first. I was like, oh, really? I can have a pig, a diamond, a fish or like a raccoon. Thank you for the compelling choice of Squarespace. No, no, don't worry. It's better than that. So you just go ahead and search for symbols. So I punched in tech and it came up with a bunch of much more relevant stuff. Figures it says no icon now. You know what's funny is I was actually doing this on a mobile connection and that was working just fine. There we go. And there you go. You get like printers and CDs and Game Boys and cool stuff like that. So all of a sudden you can create yourself a little logo. You can change the spacing of the grid. You can move things around. You can be like, OK, I want this to go over here. You can make it snap to things. You can align it that way. And then it gives you a cool little preview of what your logo will look like on a business card. On a website, a Squarespace website, presumably, and on a T-shirt. That actually looks not bad, hey? That actually looks pretty OK. So to be clear, they're not replacing graphic designers and brand creators. They're just creating like the fastest, cheapest, easiest way for you to get a logo that's usable and ready for you to put on your website that you presumably also create on squarespace.com. There's some kind of a rate for how much you can pay to get a logo, but it's free for anyone who has a Squarespace membership. And I realize I didn't actually put our lower third back. So I realized that I didn't actually say, guys, visit squarespace.com slash Linus, get a free trial, and then get up to 10% off of your first purchase of Squarespace using offer code LINUS1. So that includes the website, includes the monthly hosting, and also includes their new logo builder. And then they also very nicely asked me to mention Squarespace Super Bowl. So they're going to have a Super Bowl commercial. And I was like, really? They have millions and millions of dollars? That's what I said. Apparently. That's awesome. So blah, blah, blah, Squarespace. Oh, hold on. Do they have like a leak of it? Can we watch it? They are pretty legit. It's not leaked. They only have a teaser. So they asked me to show the teaser. I was like, yeah, sure. Yeah, why not? I mean, Super Bowl ads are kind of kind of awesome. I'm down with Super Bowl ads. All right. Where's the teaser video? Even if I somehow miss the Super Bowl, I usually just go back on YouTube and watch all the ads. Super Bowl ads are usually pretty legit. Here it is. OK, there we go. There's a giant baby. There is definitely a giant baby in their teaser. Can you just be less of a huge piece of crap? Thank you. There we go. All right. It's funny because I was so glad to have my laptop back for this week. It's only about 15 seconds long. So presumably it's something to do with their whole quest of making the Web not look like a bunch of GeoCities websites and like flashing banners and stuff like that. So their whole thing is beautiful design and tastefulness. And that logo creator like it's kind of cool. Hey, two seconds in it actually looks pretty good. Yeah, it's better than what I could do in paint paint on that paint on that on the other hand. Maybe I could do better. But we take more time. Yes. Well, really, you don't think I could do better than that. And do not see the uproar for your little badge things. I'm still trying to figure out what I'm going to do. Speaking of uproar, Apple is relaunching the iPhone 4 at a very, very appealing price of only three hundred and seventy dollars for Super old technology. Seriously, Apple, what are you doing? They probably don't know. You can't answer that question. I have no idea. I mean, if anyone at Apple is watching, I mean, Tim, if you're watching, give me a call right here. Let me know what's going on, man. Like, how can you possibly expect people like I understand. Why the iPhone 4 is still legitimately expensive? I do get it. And what did it have? Something like four gigs of storage? Yeah, yeah. Eight. Is it eight? Eight gigabyte mobile models. Yeah. Yeah. Eight gig models. It's going to have one gigahertz single core CPU, five, twelve megs RAM, five megapixel rear camera. It just it sounds so old. Like it doesn't seem that bad necessarily when you're using it and then you read the specs on paper and you're just like, oh, I understand why it's still so expensive. Because the actual like tooling of it and the like the fit and finish of it is beautiful up there with almost any modern Android, pretty much any modern Android phone. Plastic. Yeah, a lot of plastic junk on the Android side. But to expect that, like to think that, first of all, to think that 5C was going to be your value model at a hundred dollars cheaper than a 5S. Come on. Really? To think that iPhone 4. I mean, you're not even giving them the 4S. To think that iPhone 4 is a value at three hundred and seventy dollars is insane. I don't imagine that this is going to be a big success for them. I mean, the problem that they have over there is that fewer carrier subsidies prevent people from buying expensive phones. Well, when you're considering that Motorola is talking about a 50 dollar smartphone and that they already have the Moto G, which is a two hundred dollar actually fairly compelling smartphone, I've just started working on my review of it. I know I'm a little bit late, but sorry. We're pretty late on a lot of. Yeah, we're pretty late on almost every phone. So holding a Moto G and holding an iPhone 4, I can go, yeah, this is a beautiful device, but this one is way more functional in every possible way. I just think this is ridiculous. It's it's pretty dumb. They just have no grasp on reality, I think, in that area. We should do the next one. Someone's like, Linus, why are you so mad? Why am I going to get mad again? Oh, no, this isn't a mad thing. No, no, I'm saying we should do it. It's it's there's you put optional in. Yeah, this is happening. We should do calling all members of the LTT Forum World Cancer Day 2014. Basically, this is just a call to arms to engage in distributed computing on this particular weekend. It's for a week of the World Cancer Day. So it's not necessarily just World Cancer Day. It's the week that World Cancer Day lays. So it starts on Monday, the third of February and ends on Sunday, the ninth. Give your power to a good, decent cause. I know not everyone can run folding or particularly folding 24 seven because it does consume a lot of power and that does cost money. But maybe one week out of the year is not such a bad thing if we all kind of work together. So there you go, guys. You can check out the thread. It was posted by X silent and then brackets X. People need names that I can say on the show if they want to say their names on the show. And that's in the folding at home, Boink and coin mining subforum. Very cool. And then yeah, and then we're moving on. Small town in Alberta gets gigabit broadband. I'll let you talk about this is hilarious. This brings up actually this is what I thought you're talking about. What I thought you're going to transition into when you did the move thing. Oh, OK. But yeah, apparently there's so there's a small town in Alberta and the community council got to go. OK, hold on. Hold on. I got another one. Would you guys move to the frickin boondocks like the middle of nowhere? Northern Alberta, eight thousand five hundred people, entire population of city. If the thing that he's about to talk about is a thing. So they did. There was some engineer apparently specific engineering businesses, but also other businesses that were complaining that they were literally shipping drives because it was considerably faster, like very considerably faster to ship a drive than it was to transfer something over the Internet. And this this was like locally or outside. They were just transferring drives all over the place. They're saying it was ridiculous. They were going to move and like other towns, all this kind of stuff. So the council said, no, essentially we don't want you to have to move because of Internet speeds, because that's ridiculous. So they're pulling in gigabit to the town. Now, it's currently in certain locations, not everywhere. You can currently pay for about fifty seven to ninety dollars a month and you can get one hundred megabit. And they are going to take that and say, like, yep, same cost, but it's gigabit. Now, it's not quite as awesome as it sounds immediately because you will share with your node. OK, so if you get on gigabit, you're sharing with your node. But you're in like I don't think I don't think your neighbor is going to use nine hundred megabits a second. Like, yeah, I'm not too worried about that, but that's just something you do have to pay attention to. The average Canadian Internet download speed is about six point six megabytes per second for an average of fifty four dollars a month. So that scaling is pretty ridiculous. That price to performance ratio right there. They're saying that they can do this because they don't have to worry about making massive profit margins all the time. They just have to worry about making a little bit of money so that their council can still exist, obviously. So they're actually able to do this at a reasonable level. They received a pretty sizable grant from the government to to actually do this because of what their whole plan is. They're trying to keep people there. They're trying to keep businesses there and all that kind of stuff. So it makes sense. They're not gouging people. So the government tries to help them. The government actually tries to help a lot of companies that are laying infrastructure. Just a lot of those companies don't really care and still screw people over. And the something that brings me back to the you're sharing it with the people around you discussion is that if you're a business and you want a dedicated gigabit per second line, like dedicated going to be there gigabit per second line, you'll have all that bandwidth all the time. It's five grand. OK. So it's like no. But I think I think they have like one or two maybe businesses in mind when they have that there and they know they'll hit those two. And that's maybe where they're making some of the money back. Right. But yeah, either way, again, investing in infrastructure, it just makes sense. Thumbs up. Yeah. Loving it. All right. Demystifying Crystal. There was something that I wanted to talk about, not Bricks Pro. Shoot. I don't know what it was. OK. Do you want to do a demystifying Crystal Co. while you're at it? I was thinking as we're getting fairly close and that video is up, maybe we should jump to Candy Jam real quick. Then maybe we can do that as like an issue. All right. So why have we been saying the word candy all stream for those of you who didn't watch the pre show? So the candy jam, which is awesome and like it's actually kind of hard to read because their website is ridiculous. But I think that's kind of part of the joke. So I'm not going to harp on them too hard for that. But what they say if you're having troubles reading it is because of because trademarking common words is ridiculous. And because it gives us an occasion to make another game jam. That's why this whole thing exists. You have to make a game involving candies in some way. Consider using the word candy several times. Also, scroll memory, saga, Apple and Edge might give bonus points. I'm not entirely sure why. I don't think I've necessarily researched the topic deeply enough. Maybe they're looking into trademarking those words as well. It starts now. You can go to it now. It ends third of February. There's been 27 games submitted so far and you have an interesting contest kind of. OK, so I'm putting up a hundred dollar bounty to the first person who makes a game called Candy Ass Candy Eaters. So the objective of the game has to be that there's like people and it can get more or less challenging. Like there can like think about all the game elements that exist. So you could have places where you're supposed to throw the candy, places where if you throw it, it's negative points. Like if a zombie eats it or something, then that's that's bad and that's negative points. But the idea is that you throw candy at these people and they don't like getting hurt. So if you miss their mouths directly, then it's like somehow detrimental. So that's what makes them candy ass because they're like they don't like getting hit by candy. And maybe they're running away from the candy as you're trying to feed it to them or something to make it like challenging or something like that. So so I want that game to exist. Only to the first one, though, I'm not paying a bunch of these bounties. I really hope someone makes it. I don't really think they will, but I don't think anyone will. And this whole thing is kind of horrible because every single time something like this happens, like with the copyright complaints and like the guy, the main dude backing like, we should have stronger copyright law, pirated the background picture for his website. And like this kind of stuff always seems to happen. But King, the guys behind the copyright of the word candy, totally ripped the crap out of a game called Scamper Ghost back in the day. So there's Pacavoid and Scamper Ghost. And as you go through here, you'll notice the screenshots are incredibly the same. And what actually happened was they hired a company called where is it? The Epic Shadow, very specifically to copy Scamper Ghost. It was like, go copy this game. It was fairly straightforward. The Scamper Ghost guys aren't mad at Epic Shadow because King was in their in their discussions with Epic Shadow was saying that Scamper Ghost had a signed contract deal with King and then broke out of it. And there's a whole bunch of stuff going on. And it was issues and they were like, yeah, just go copy that game because that'll be the one actually published, blah, blah, blah. And then Epic Shadow contacted Scamper Ghost at some point in time being like, yo, we thought you guys were the bad guys. I don't know. Yeah. So Scamper Ghost is not specifically mad at them. They're mad at King and they're more specifically mad at King actually because of the candy copyright thing. Right. Because they're trying to copyright the word or trademark the word candy. Sorry. Yeah. Trademark. To be clear. I mean, I don't think we ever actually said that, which is ridiculous. Yeah. It's just candying ridiculous. That's absolutely candying ridiculous. So, yeah, I think it's funny that these guys are being super vocal now about the fact that King has done this instead of previously when it probably still would have gotten a lot of traction. But they're doing it now because of a copyright that doesn't have something to do with them. I think that's actually really cool. So go play Scamper Ghost because that's awesome. Well, I think that's it. I had something that I really wanted to talk about that wasn't on the dock and I kind of thought of it and then I forgot about it. It wasn't it wasn't Bricks Pro. I don't know if I want to talk about that that much anymore. There's something else for the demystifying Crystal Cove thing. The video is out right now and it has a lot of it. I'm probably going to be doing a long form written right up at some point in time because there's a lot of stuff that didn't make it into the video. And there's there's actually a clip that was not put in to the release video. Oh, why's that? I don't know. Oh, oh, oh, oh. I say at one point in time like there are lenses, A, B and C, and I will talk about those more later. And that clip didn't end up making it in. So it made it really awkward. I'm going to try and come up with some way to integrate that. But we can't exactly pull it down and re-release it now. No. So I was thinking maybe I could upload it unlisted and then like people through it on the forum or something. So I'll probably do that so you guys can get that clip. Or if you come to the after party, I'll probably talk about Oculus even more and take questions and stuff like that. So we can talk about that there. And there will be an after party tonight. I don't necessarily know if I'll be gaming, but I'll be giving away games and talking about Oculus. Yay, giving away games. Hooray. All right. Well, I think I give up on this. Oh, one last thing, actually. One very final last thing. We have an unofficial Linus Tech Tips Star Citizen group. Oh, yes. So if you are interested in Star Citizen, Linus and I are both signed up, but it's unofficial because we're not leading it. We're just going to kind of hang out. We posted it on Facebook. So if anyone was curious what my reach is on Facebook, I guess you've all seen it now. Let me just have a look here. Star Citizen is the one with no picture because someone nubbed out. Oops. Oh, yeah, there it is. So Linus Tech Tips. Speaking of would you move if you got faster internet? Yeah, exactly. No, I'm pretty sure that's Facebook's problem. Oh. Because they have a lot of this on mechanical drives now. Oh, really? Yeah, I think it used to be that your feed was in memory. And now I think a lot of stuff, particularly images, are being pushed onto mechanical even. So Star Citizen organization now with added polls. So you can check out that thread on the forum if you are interested in it. And as far as I can tell, they're being pretty open to ideas about how it's going to be ran and all this kind of stuff. So post in there, talk about it. It's a way quite a ways from being released, so we'll get some stuff more. It's unofficial, to be clear, guys. Yeah, we're not running it. Yeah, but I joined it. So did I. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's probably about it. Yeah, I give up on this. All right. Thanks, guys, for watching the WAN Show. We'll see you again next week. Same bat time, same bat channel. And the archive should actually be up fairly quickly. So I'll just throw it up without a table of contents. And then when he gets around to it, at apparently like four in the morning for whatever reason. I was done way before that. If anyone wants to do a table of contents and then like fire it over to him during the after party, that would be more than welcome. That works, too. The one thing that I would ask is that you make sure to include an entry for the Squarespace sponsorship spot in case anyone wants to find that. We do tell them that we will include a link in our table of contents to their sponsor spot. And without further ado, thank you guys for watching. Thank you, Squarespace, for sponsoring us and see you next week. Wrong one. You