 We're live. Welcome to the WAN Show, ladies and gentlemen. The show that didn't start on time because I was busy starting my other thing late. But I'm also quite impressed at how not late it is. I was expecting starting at like 5.45. I went upstairs and started to work. I'm not really. I was like, all right, let's settle in for the winter. Oh, man. But the video sounded good. The stream sounded good. Yeah, I thought it was a good stream. So Asus made an overclocked, well, not overclocked, but it has like a binned version of the Snapdragon 855 phone. Stupid BIOS update again. Postpone. Check this thing out. This is like a phone, a thick boy phone for thick boys. Yeah, that's like, that takes a bit to reach the top. 6,000 milliamp hour battery. Check out the smoothness of the screen. It's heavy. Oh, it's nice. I noticed that right away. What refresh rate do you think it's running? Oh, boy. He doesn't follow this stuff. So I can actually like quiz him on things. 120? Yeah. Oh. 120 OLED. I genuinely didn't know at all. Because yeah, I don't follow it. It's pretty like, oh, man, look at that, the low persistence too. That is really nice. Like, ah, so cool. I just have a hard time getting excited about phones. Speaking of things to be excited about, I'm kind of back into VR. Yeah. OK, sorry, hold on. Give me, we'll talk about that later. First I should probably go through what our topics are for today. So I'm going to talk about being back into VR. Apple's autonomous car was spotted. A lot of speculation as to what exactly is going on with the sensor arrays and all that kind of cool stuff on it. There's a couple of folding phones launching in September. Apple and Google are going to potentially hand over Gunscope app user data, including like IP address and full names and lots of other stuff. And you can pay with your whole hand at Whole Foods. See what I did there? Your whole, get it? Because it takes the, it's not just a fingerprint. It's like the whole thing. Agent 3105 says, I just realized I haven't seen Luke on the main YouTube channel in a while. All right, agent. I think you better find a new career. Is that like a slow poke meme? Is that slow poke meme worthy? Because agent. It's been like three years. I think agent is probably the wrong path. No investigation in the near future. With that said, actually, oh man, see I've got so much stuff to talk about this week that isn't like the newest topics. Oh, we're doing a thing. Yeah. Well, we'll talk about it later. Let's get through this Apple thing because that's in the table. Right, the title topic. Yes. I'm going to tell people what they want. I'm not eating today. Actually, wait, is Savage Jerky sponsored today? Do people not like that or something? They get mad when I eat on stream because some people, apparently it's like something, something phonia. Like they, like it actually causes them physical pain to hear other people eating. I'm just glad they never had to sit at a breakfast table with my dad because, I should clarify my stepdad so that you don't know what I'm talking about. The way that that man eats cereal, it's disgusting. It's unwatchable. It's un-listen-to-able. He's like, he's wanting, he can't, he actually can't close his mouth to chew because he needs it open to shovel his next bite in. So it's like. Oh God, you probably just, you probably just did it right there. It's basically a food mashing machine that just kind of, as far, I don't even know if he swallows. I think he just drizzles the cereal scum back down his throat and then processes it in his innards. Auto-matcher. Yeah. Nick walks up, scratches his head and just leaves. It's a bad time. Anyway, so I'm going to try not to eat on the stream. Honestly guys, I was just really hungry last week. I'm so sorry. I didn't have time to eat. I actually didn't have time to eat today because Fridays have been stupid over the last little bit. But yeah, I will try and do better. So, Apple's autonomous car spotted. The original article here is from 925mac.com and this is a pretty interesting car because there is a possibility based on, you know, the pixels or whatever, that we are looking at an all camera setup with no LIDAR whatsoever. So for those not familiar with the term, LIDAR is a technology that uses lasers to create what is essentially like a point map of the entire environment around the vehicle that tells it really everything about the 3D space around it and can even allow, with Google's technology, the reading of things like cyclists' hand signals. I forget whether it was Google or someone else's LIDAR tech, but they were able to tell the actual orientation of people standing on the side of the street. So not like which way they swing, but more which way their body is likely to drift because you can tell which way they're facing. That's probably a lot easier to do. Yeah. But that said, I think with some people it's fairly obvious. That's fair. Because they want you to know. Right. But the accuracy percentage still wouldn't be that high. Yeah. Well, I mean, there was that friend that I had in high school that was basically, I didn't realize I had been invited out to a date. I thought we were just hanging out and going to a movie. And then his mom was there. And I was like, oh, okay, that makes more sense now. And afterward, I sort of... Well, I got the realization it's just, oh, okay. Yeah. Well, yeah, it was fine. We were still friends after and stuff. It doesn't matter. It's just like afterward, we had this conversation, this was months later, that went something along the lines of, sorry, I'm not... And he's like, well, when you're ready to admit it to yourself, let me know. I was like, oh, okay. That's like... What does that even mean? I don't know. That's a little aggro. He's attacking you. But not even... he's attacking you in a you don't know yourself. I think it's not that you don't know yourself. I think it's like... Because remember, we're like, I don't know, 17, 16 or whatever at this point. Probably not even... No, probably not 17, because neither of us would have had our M licenses. His mom came with him when he was 17 to the movies? Yeah, wouldn't have been that old. That's pretty cute. No, this must have been middle school. Just don't worry. We needed to be driven. We needed to be driven. But then I realized that she was there not just as a driver, but more as chaperone. That was the difference. So anyway, at that age, a lot of people aren't ready to admit to themselves. Still figuring stuff out. Yeah, they're locked into sort of, well, this is how it's supposed to be, and therefore I must probably fit this mold like that. I don't know. Maybe in 2019, this is all sounding very quaint, but back in 2002... That was a thing. That was a thing here, and I'm sure in a lot of places. It's still very much like that, but I don't know that it's necessarily quite as big of an issue here anyway these days. Yeah, I know. So anyway, I don't remember how I got on this subject. I have no... Right, the LIDAR. LIDAR. LIDAR. LIDAR, right. Detecting orientation. Okay, so why don't we consult the notes so that we maybe stay on some of the topic here. So Apple has actually had self-driving car prototypes on the road before. Now, we're not talking Apple cars. No. Apple didn't actually build the drivetrain of the thing. But Project Titan modified cars. Exactly. So they are clearly very interested in the technology. This isn't their first foray into transportation. Apple Maps, as bad as it was when it first launched, has come a long way. They're clearly committed to helping people get around being one of the most important things that our mobile devices can do. And as far as I can tell, Apple transitioned from being a computer company, Apple Computer Inc., to being an Apple iPhone accessory company. So if the latest iPhone accessory happens to be a car that you plug it into, I think that Apple can get on board with that. The iPhone is the beating heart of that company right now. So anyway, the new setup has no obvious LIDAR devices, could be an all-camera setup. They recently poached Tesla Engineering VP Steve McManus and increased the size of the test team. So it seems they are still actively pursuing the project in one form or another, although they did fire 200 employees assigned to Project Titan back in January. So who really even knows? Who really knows what's going on over at Apple until they tell us, because they have some pretty good nondisclosure agreements, as far as I can tell. With that said, I have never had the privilege of reading one because Apple still doesn't reply to my messages. Actually, oh, this is great. Let me see if I... I don't know if I have the software that I would need to pull this up. Nope, I don't have that installed on this computer. You know what, I'm going to pull a faux pas ever since we leaked a bunch of financial data on stream. I was just going to say it might not be the best software to use at all... Don't worry about it....while screen sharing. Yeah, yeah. No, no. I got this. And now you're going back to your personal laptop and you're going to use it anyways. No, I got this. Everything's fine. So I actually want to share with you my chat log with Apple support. When I reached out complaining that they actually don't have a press contact email on their website anymore, there's just... You can view the newsroom, which is just articles that Apple publishes about itself, but that's it. There's no actual, hey, I'm a member of the media and I would like to speak to a human being at Apple iPhone Accessory Inc. Maybe it's because you call them Apple iPhone Accessory Inc. Well, I had never done that before today. So that's obviously nonsense. Maybe it's because you spent seven years talking trash about them. I have not spent seven years talking trash about them. I gave the iPhone 6s my phone of the year award. It was a great phone and then they ruined it. Case in point. Well, no, I'm just being honest. I'm allowed to have an opinion. So anyway, so I reached out to their live chat because... Shrink it, please. I don't even know what's on there. Just stay real. Yeah, so are we good? Yeah. Okay. Oh, I need a dongle because... You know what? I'm switching. I'm not gonna keep using the Blade Stealth 20 whatever year this came out. I don't care. It doesn't matter. Too many dongles required? So it doesn't have a native HDMI, which I didn't consider while I was doing that video. And more importantly, I didn't notice the short shift. It has an arrow key where the shift is, which is basically the worst sin because I am constantly hitting both of them at the same time while I am typing, which causes me to go up with shift, which highlights everything, which I then overwrite. Also, my trackpad seems to be defective. Well, that's not surprising. So I'm done. I'm done with this. I think Dell actually sponsored a video, but they have a really interesting looking laptop in the mail to me right now. What was the failure rate of our internal blades? I don't know, 40%. Something like that. Yeah. Not the point. Solid. Oh, one moment, please. Sweet. I'm sorry, it doesn't work. Well, give it a sec, OK? Give it a sec. I mean, we're in a remote desktop connection-mulation mode right now here. Yeah, why is that not working? That shouldn't matter. Yeah, that shouldn't matter at all. OK, hold on. Let's just try that again. Do do. Do do. We can't hear it, so Linus just emulated the sound for us. It didn't actually detect anything. It would've been great, though. Yeah. Well, you know, I do aim to please. So StarCraft II has these packs that you can get that are different people's voices and stuff so that you can have a commentator cast your game for you or someone else. I would actually run with a Linus pack in Windows. So whenever you unplug and plug things, the computer goes, yeah. Every time an error message comes up, it's, can't do that, stupid. I'm going to restart your computer for totally no reason, huh? OK, I would be much nicer about it. OK, it's working now. I couldn't explain to you why. Yeah, yeah, I got this. I got this. The blue screen is just accompanied by a laugh track. So anyway, I wanted to go to the September 10th iPhone event because I'm going to have to cover it anyway. So I might as well just watch it from the audience instead of here in the comfort of my own home because I hate myself. So I reached out to them and I just had to reach out to genius support for the iPhone. I was like, I don't know, my iPhone won't update or something. So I... Right, because you have to give them a reason. Yeah, you have to give a reason. And the reason can't be, I just want to talk to a human being at Apple. That is not the reason. Yeah. You may not provide that reason. So hold on a second. I'm just going to actually blank this out. I think this is leaked like a hundred times anyway. Yeah, probably. Oh, wait. That's really guessable. Yeah, that's really guessable. Sure. Sure. You know what? Why don't we just take all the fun out of it? There you go. Um, confirm your Apple ID, blah, blah, blah, blah. Is this like, are you allowed to share private communications? They recorded it and in Canada, it's single party consent. So yes, I may. California, it's not. Right, but they consented to it and so did I because they said they are recording it. But I don't think they consented to you recording it. I don't care. All right, so... I mean, if they reach out, that would probably be a good... Yeah, maybe we could start a conversation. Right? All right, so anyway, so you've got to be kidding me. Okay. This is great. Oh my goodness. Well, I'm glad you're having fun. Now OBS is broken. Yeah. Here, try the stream deck. Sorry. Why is the... No? No. So then yeah, it's just dead in the water. It is just actually broken. Like legit broken. Maybe that's... What about your screen? Yours is working. So I'm the only one who's not working. You are taking the ROG phone from me, sir. I will have to unlock that for you. Okay. Yes. It's now unlocked. Please don't read my emails. Wait, what's going on now? So do you want to just email that to me? Holy crap. This is... I can't switch back. What's going on? Oh, it's sitting on the page deck. What's going on? Nice. Dang it. Sorry. Sorry. Hold on. Oh, for... Mine worked. Do you want to just email it to me? No, I got this. I got this. All right. Sounds good. I can do this. I am logged into my email. Yes. Why is it like that? It doesn't matter. We'll get this. Okay. Wait, what? Why? Officially 20 minutes into the show. Okay, good enough. Here we go. All right. The... Okay. Audio version. Thanks for contacting Apple support. The audio what? The audio version of this podcast will be fantastic. Yeah. Thanks for contacting Apple support. My name is whatever my name is. How can I help you? Hey, Linus. How's it going today? Oh, wait. Is that them two? Oh, it was. Great. I'm in the media. I wanted to know how does one go about getting an invite to the September event? I link my YouTube channel. Just to ensure we're on the same page. You would like to receive an invitation to go to the event in September. However, you're not sure what the process is and would like to find out. Yeah, that's pretty much what I said. Thank you. There's no obvious media contact on the site, so I ended up coming through here. I'd be more than happy to assist you to see how best we can work together in hopes of guiding you on a path to resolution where this issue you're having is concerned. What even is that sentence? That's amazing. Is it okay? I feel like you're talking to a knight from... I know, right? Is it okay if I ask a few questions? Sure. Please confirm your Apple ID. Please confirm your Apple ID. Yep. I just clarified that I have no idea what Apple ID the phone that I used, because I had to provide a serial number for a phone in order to talk to Apple, so I just grabbed one from my desk. It's not in my daily driver phone. I don't even think anything's logged into it. That's okay. Is it okay if I place you on hold while I consult with my resources to provide you with this information? About 10 minutes on hold. It's not totally unreasonable. I'm back. I have consulted with my resources. Okay. So you ask someone, here's a link with the details to attend the function. Here's a big Apple logo. Don't worry about that. Developer.apple.com slash WWDC 19, which not only is not Apple's September event... Such policy. So it does have the policy for how you attend, because you can pay to attend to WWDC, but it's WWDC, not the September launch event. Completely different event. Good call. I go, okay, that's WWDC. Is that the wrong link? Also, I am press. I am not a developer. Regarding the invite, the seats are reserved for the press by invite only. Right. That is the point of this conversation. I am the press. I need to contact at Apple. I don't want to be pushy, but it shouldn't be complicated for me to get a media contact. We have more views on our Mac Pro announcement video than you do. That's pretty cool. That's a good flex. Apple would be the one to reach out to members of the press with an invite as the function would be for selected members only. It would be hard for them to do that if they don't have my contact information and I don't have a press relations contact there. Tell you what, I got to run to a meeting. Oh, bloody hell, that's my email. It's fine. It's leaked a thousand times. Are we all set from here? Oh, yeah, this is great. If they want to get in touch, here's my email. They go, are we all set from here? I just want to know that you're comfortable with the steps I provided. What steps? I wasn't given any steps. I need a media contact. That was, in fact, the end of that interaction. She did arrange to have a supervisor call me after. They informed me. Actually, I don't even remember how that conversation ended. Basically, no, there was not, in fact, anything that they could or would do about it. They said, oh, right, I do remember how it ended. It went around in circles like that. Then I said, tell you what, oh, I got an email. I emailed the email. Nope, right, okay. They said they would see if anyone said cool. Then they gave me an email that I could contact. Then I emailed that email, and I never heard back. I do remember now. Good. I'm hopefully not misrepresenting the way in which I was ignored. That's a beautiful story. Yeah, I thought that was a pretty heartwarming story, too. This bothers me. The fact that this is a hard edge. And it's brushed. Yeah, it's brushed plastic. I realize it's plastic. It's not going to stain, at least. I don't know. Anyway, so I'm not going to the September event. And the glass wall. I don't remember how I got on that subject. We were talking about Apple autonomous vehicles. It doesn't matter. You know what? Nick's been waiting very patiently. What can I do for you, Nick? It's actually nothing to do with the show, and I just need to ask you something off camera. Oh, okay. This mic is aggressively sensitive. Yeah, BRB. Just like, yeah. I've noticed it pick up trucks outside. Be very careful. I don't know what to talk about while they're gone. I don't know how long they're going to be gone. But probably the next thing we're going to talk about is that there are two folding phones coming in September. That's probably going to be the next topic. The Fold launched in Korea today. But I believe the they're launching in September thing is more talking about the North American market or else we would have said that it came out now. Huawei has confirmed the launch date for its next flagship phone line. The Mate 30 series will be unveiled in Munich, Germany on September 19th. So we'll figure that out soon. Maybe it won't be September, but we'll figure it out soon. Oftentimes, these events have been like, and it's coming now or something. So it'll it'll probably be fairly soon. Samsung is finally ready to unveil their refined Galaxy Fold after an embarrassing initial rollout earlier this year that was played with multiple damage review units. They said in July that the Fold would be available in September. So theoretically, that's now ish, which would be cool. Is everything all good? Yeah. Cool. We're talking about two folding phones launching in September. Yeah. Both of which were supposed to launch ages ago. Yeah. Yeah. So who knows if they'll even launch now? Well, the Fold launched in Korea already, but then it might unlaunch. The curious thing about all of this is that I haven't seen like they were treating the Fold as this global launch event and press all over the world had review units ahead of time so that there would be coverage so that people would get hyped about it so that they would. Which was so suicidal. So that they would be incentivized to go and buy it on launch day and all that kind of stuff. They must have known how volatile they were. And now they've just, no, I think they just didn't. Well, I think the people making the decision just didn't accept it. We've seen that a few times. Yeah, we've seen that before. Yeah. So this time it seems like they're doing a quiet launch and it is pretty common for not just Samsung. I'm trying to think like other Korean companies have done this before too to just quietly launch something in Korea where I don't know, I guess their customers are a little more forgiving if something sucks or the volumes are lower. So they can control the damage if it turns out to be a disaster. Home turf is definitely a thing. Yeah. So it seems like they've just done a quiet launch in Korea. Did you already cover the updates to this one? No, that's where I am. Okay, cool. So they did a quiet launch in Korea and it seems like they've made a few changes. So caps were added to the top and bottom edges of the hinge to seal off the gaps that previously might have allowed dust into the mechanism. The layer that people mistook for a screen protector and peeled off now extends beyond the edges of the screen and tucks under the bezel so there aren't any bits exposed. And they added layers of metal under the display to strengthen its protection and hopefully make it so you won't be able to feel the machinery beneath the screen when you poke at it. With the updates, the fold also locks into place more rigidly than before and it's almost completely 180 degrees flat when it's open. The stronger lock also makes the device less floppy when you're holding the open phone with one hand. I love that they said that because this whole time I've been hoping that a derogatory term for these phones ends up being floppy phones. Floppy phones. Because it's just great. Flop phone. That's not bad. A flop phone. Flip phone, flop phone, flip flop. I like it. Samsung also managed to reduce the gap between the fold's hinge and body so it isn't as thick when it's closed as it was before. No word on when the rollout will be expanded to the US and internationally. Now we should go through our sponsor bits and then what were those topics that I wanted to talk about? 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Try it for free at Pulseway.com or through our link in the video description. In the defense of the writing of that, I think if someone's going to use Pulseway they can probably assume what remote desktop functionality could benefit them. Okay, I got a super chat here that I actually want to talk about. This is Quintuple A. Back at CES you were super hyped about Hisense's double LCD ULED technology. Will you ever review one of their TVs? I don't know how much I can say because I signed an NDA, but I am still, I feel exactly the same way about ULED technology as I did. And when and if Hisense were to ever release any kind of product based around that technological concept, I would be super amped to check it out. Especially if they had some really good ideas for how they could make it better. Next topic. Yeah, let's move on. Apple and Google to hand over guns to Apple. No, I want to talk about VR. Okay. We did the title topic. I don't care anymore. Yeah, we did the title topic. So like... It's cool again. It's kind of cool again. Yeah. I'm getting back into it too. I think taking a break was the right idea. And then now I'm genuinely re-excited about things. Because a bunch of really interesting stuff has happened. So, Index is a legit second gen experience. Vive Pro was not. Yes, no. I'm really upset about Vive Pro because it was... Vive Pro was lame. Everything I didn't ask for and nothing that I did ask for... Okay, one thing I asked for. Okay, the screen resolution was better. But Vive Pro by HTC's own admission was Vive but professional. It was not Vive 2. And I wanted an upgrade. Like, when did the HTC Vive come out? Let's just check this. 2014? HTC Vive release date. Like, it was a long friggin' time ago. I don't think it was 2014. It was like 2016. 2016? Why is my interwebs taking so long? Oh yeah, no. Dang it. I'm gonna regas at 2015. What? You don't just get to regas. Okay, okay, okay. I was thinking of... Besides, you're gonna be right if I went over anyway because Price is Right rules. Oh, apparently. All right, that's fine. I can... Oh wait, are we still... We are still transmitting from the desktop. Cool. Okay, well I don't know how that works. Oh, maybe the Wi-Fi went to it again. That's fine. HTC... I'm on my mobile data. It's fine. I got this. HTC Vive release date. Oh man. 2016. You're right. Heck yeah. Wow, I'm awesome. I thought it was so long ago but I'm thinking I think Crystal Cove. DevKits went out in August and September of 2015. But like... That's still a long time ago. That's like three years ago. So when the Vive Pro came out, I was expecting VR to be like this rapidly iterating technology because around that time, that was in the midst of the mobile display pixel density race. Right? Like that was when, you know, Sony was shipping a 4K phone. And I was like, screens, they're gonna get super dense and OLED technology. It's gonna be super low persistence and like, it's gonna be flipping awesome. And then it just stopped. In 2017, I guessed five years. For what? For VR to like really be popping. Yeah, I could see that. They crossed the 1% threshold for install base in the Steam hardware survey. Not bad. Heck yeah. Working on it. And more importantly, some of the technologies that I did not have a lot of faith in are starting to show promise. So have you tried the Oculus Quest? No, but I've read a lot about it. I haven't tried it myself. And I've talked to a guy that uses it basically all the time. Okay, it's only 72 Hertz or whatever. Do you know the picture of the guy and his son standing by their Tesla at a Tesla charging station and they're both playing the Quest? It went trending not that long ago. No, I didn't see that. Oh, I like hung out with him for a while. He's actually really cool. He actually lives locally. But yeah, anyways. So the Quest, it's only 72 Hertz. It's running on like Snapdragon 835 or whatever. Like it's not even, is it 835? Oculus Quest, Snapdragon. Is it 845? It's not 855, that's for sure. Oh, no, 835. Yeah, 835. So it's like ancient technology and mobile. But depending on the type of game, not everything is a great experience, but depending on the type of game, it is shockingly good. And not having the weight and the inconvenience of the tether, like it is so much better than the mobile-based VR experiences that I had had in the past. It's just garbage. That I was blown away. Like the tracking is so good. And after my experience with, I'm saying a lot of the things that I'm going to repeat in my upcoming review of the Rift S, as well as the upcoming video about the Quest. I believe it's on Floatplane. I'm sorry? I think it's on Floatplane, right? Quest, yes. Quest, okay. Rift S, I have not actually shot, but I have fully written. I finished writing it last night. So yeah, there's a plug for Floatplane. If you subscribe on Floatplane, it's like week-ish early access and occasional exclusive content. We're not trying to oversell it. It's a way to support my next tech tips. The Meet the Team videos are pretty cool. So the tracking on it, the freedom of being able to wander around in a gigantic play space compared to what I'm used to. Because theoretically on my index, yeah, I could have a 15 by 15 play space or whatever the stupid maximum size is. It's ridiculous. With what tether? What, like powered active display port repeaters every five meters? It's not even a real conversation, you know what I mean? Because wireless isn't feasible for it yet. The resolution and refresh rate are just too high. It's too much bandwidth until we get another revision of 60 gigahertz Wi-Fi. So it was just kind of surreal. And playing something like Beat Saber, which I always come back to because it's casual enough that it runs on mobile hardware, but it's hardcore enough in that it is like a genuinely skill requiring game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Solo competitive. And it's very sensitive to errors in tracking for the controllers or for latency issues. It's great. It's great for certain experiences. That's cool. And after my experience with Windows Mixed Reality, right? That's where I was going with that. I had no faith in inside out tracking. I thought it was dead on arrival. I was like, they will not fix the occlusion issues. They will not fix the drift. We're done here. I'm so OK. I was very pessimistic. I wasn't. OK. Well, then you were smarter than me. Good for you. Hooray. I haven't heard you say that before. That's why I'm surprised. I thought outside in was always going to be the premium experience. It is, though, still. But Rift S, have you tried it? OK. OK. Still no. But there was one at PAX that my brother tried and there was clear and obvious issues with it. OK. But was that at PAX? No, it was because of the headset, because there are areas where it doesn't track well. You should come over and try it. Sure. Or just take it home. It's my office. It has to come back on Monday because I'm shooting that video on Monday. There's like no room in my house. There's like no point. OK. Well, the thing about the Rift S, though, is that it doesn't need room. You just put it on. Yeah. OK. There's no lighthouses. There's no set up. I wonder if I could get them to send me the build of the game. But there was a football game. OK. And the whole idea was it was Sevens football, so it's passing only and all this kind of stuff. I don't remember the name of it. I'm sorry if you're watching this. But they were at PAX. They're releasing the game relatively soon, I think. So you're the quarterback. You have to throw the ball. OK. And the only way they're able to run it is because you go here and you can throw it. So the whole time I was like, why did you guys bring this headset? This is so dumb. Because you watch everyone play this football game, and they're like, yeah, it tracks properly if you throw the ball properly. We have it modded right now, so you can go beep. I'm like, that's so dumb. OK. There are games that have issues. I will give you that. None of the things I play regularly require me to put my hand behind my head. The only thing I'm saying is you said I thought the other version of tracking would always be better. I'm like, well, yeah. More teases. I think that's probably solvable because the thing, too, is that the Rift S and the Quest get a lot of their location data from the accelerometer and gyroscope in the controller. I don't think it's unsolvable. So it's solvable. And then what it's doing is it's using the constellation map from the headset to the controllers to correct. So as long as you are only occluded for a short period of time, theoretically, it should be fine. And in my experience using it in my living room, it was very good. I did get some glitchiness like when I first put it on. But then it would kind of settle in. And I couldn't tell. In fact, hollow ball is a game that I have kind of used as my benchmark for controller tracking because I, as a badminton player, I tend to flick my wrist rather than swing my arm when I'm trying to hit a ball. And that game is obviously designed around a tennis swing, an arm swing, because otherwise it is utterly hopeless at tracking where your hand is. It's too fast. And so I can swing right through the ball. I can watch the paddle go through. It just doesn't work. And what I found was on the Rift S, I was way more likely to hit the ball. Like, worlds more likely. And Oculus claims, or I should say Facebook at this point, their last founding member was out as of I think a couple weeks ago. So Facebook claims that they are updating their location with 1 millisecond granularity. Now, it's not a perfect update. If you can see the racket go through the ball, I'm suspecting this is a collision issue and not a tracking issue. Could be. If you see the racket go through the ball. Okay, I should clarify. I see where the racket is. Okay. I see that I followed through and I see that the ball went through where I was going. So no, it's not like I see the models. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. But so anyway, so it's every 30 times a second with the camera. So that's where it's checking for drift. And then it's apparently, I have no way of validating it, but apparently millisecond granularity from the gyroscope and accelerometer and controller. And I did find that it was better. That's cool. But they dropped it to 80 hertz. Yeah. And like you were there, the second I put the index on, holy crap. It's so much better. Intensely noticeable. The resolution, the refresh rate, everything. It's amazing. Even the safe zones. I have a really hard problem with headsets where if they're not tilted to the exact specification and exactly far enough away, then they look terrible to me. It's probably because my eyes suck, but whatever. And then the index, it didn't really matter. I threw it on and while it was coming on, I was like, everything's perfect. And then I sit it down and I'm like, everything's still perfect. But it's $1,000. But yeah, it's $1,000. Anyway, all of this is why I'm really excited about what's happening right now because we finally have a real upgrade at the high end with the index. Yeah, yeah. And a good solid solution that isn't there. Yes. Because I've always kind of detested. I remember I made a big part in a video about this a long time ago about how I was kind of annoyed with all these different phone companies and stuff advertising mobile VR. So I was like, now everyone's going to think this is what VR is. Yeah. And that was really frustrating. But hopefully we're leaving that era where VR is just good. OK. Hey, someone pointed out in the super chats that the Apple Media Help Line is apparently listed on apple.com slash leadership, which has all their executives and their board of directors. Yes. It's just help. It is indeed there. Like it's a generic thing. But I believe that is actually the email address that I was eventually provided. So thank you. That is legitimately quite helpful. I appreciate it. Thank you for the super chat. Unfortunately, I doubt I mean, I will call it. I'll call it. Oh, yeah. I'll see. Call it now. Should I? I think that would be great. I think that would be awesome. They're probably closed, but like, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, you got to give it a shot. Like forty seven billion dollars in the bank. Actually, I think it's a lot more than that. I think that's Facebook that has about forty five billion in the bank right now. I don't remember how much Apple has. Sure they can afford to pay someone to answer important media inquiries late at night. Two hundred and eighty five point one billion dollars. All right. So I'm not going to put them on speaker until I get consent here. Do you want to cover the next news topic? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. OK. We could do an Apple topic. Apple and Google to hand over gunscope app user data. So this gunscope they could like I believe they could be remotely viewed so you could like see through the gunscope on your phone or something like that. And they have some other kind of neat information. The information that they're potentially passing forward. The U.S. government has ordered them to hand over hand over names, phone numbers and IP addresses of at least 10,000 users of a single gunscope app made by night vision specialist American Technologies Network Corp. I'm assuming they weren't there. It's just a voicemail where you leave your email address, your message, your name and your media outlet number. Media Outlet Number. Which I clearly don't have. Nice. And they will get back to you. Ultimately you can email media.help at apple dot com. Awesome. So basically it's effectively emailing them. Yes. So the app specifically allowed them to get a live stream of the scope, take video like so record the scope I guess and calibrate their scope from an Android or iPhone device. It's been downloaded more than 10,000 times on Android. Apple doesn't provide the numbers. ICE or Immigration and Customs Enforcement is seeking information as part of a broad investigation into possible breaches of weapons export regulations. So I think the idea is they're trying to figure out where these things are getting registered so they can figure out if they're getting sold somewhere that they shouldn't be being sold. Interesting. If that makes sense. I believe that is the goal. If Apple and Google decide to hand over the information it could include data on thousands of people who have nothing to do with the crimes being investigated. Which could, it says in here, set a dangerous precedent. Yeah that's pretty interesting. Unless there's like some form of, I don't know, this is getting into weird law stuff. But they should I guess tell you. Maybe you have to, I don't know. That's really weird. I have no idea. I don't know how American laws work. I'm not going to say anything. So there are reports online that have claimed that ATN scopes were being used by the Taliban which would obviously be a bit of a problem. But how could you prove, because couldn't someone just buy it in America and just ship it somewhere? It's a scope. Is it illegal to ship that somewhere? I have no idea. Maybe it is. Well there's lots of things that are illegal to ship to. Like it's actually in the end user license agreement that you can't. Okay so for example we have a thermal camera that we had to sign a very long and detailed document saying that it will be in our possession only and if it is ever not in our possession we need to return it. And that we will not use it in any way to aid, help, abet or whatever terrorist activity or any of these industries or whatever else. There is equipment that is tightly regulated like that. I could see something like weapons scopes. A scope be part of it. Yeah that makes sense. Being the kind of thing that comes with a user agreement that says I will not give it to a terrorist to shoot people. If something is being used somewhere it's hard to say that the company that sells it is at fault. Like wasn't ISIS driving a whole fleet of Toyota trucks? I don't remember. Like is that Toyota's fault? I don't think so. I don't know. It depends if Toyota sent a sales rep over there to be like hey want a deal? Want a bunch of trucks? I don't know. This is way beyond me but I think it's a little funky. Like hey some people are using it that means you did illegal things. Oh well. Paying with your hand? Yeah paying with your hand at Whole Foods. So Amazon is testing a payment system codenamed Orville. That scans... I mean isn't that just spookily close to Orwell? Yeah. Is that where you went with it? That was a bad idea. I did too. It scans human hands to ring up their purchases. They're reportedly using their New York employees as guinea pigs by installing the system on a handful of... That's a joke. Handful. Of vending machines selling chip sodas and phone chargers in their offices. Unlike most biometric systems that require you to touch the surface of a scanner, Amazon's take on the technology doesn't need you to physically touch anything. They use computer vision and depth geometry to identify the size and shape of your hand before charging the credit card you have on file. Wow. Furthermore, you don't even need to have your phone with you when you shop. So this could make shopping at Whole Foods even more seamless than at Amazon Go stores. You need to be a prime member for hand-based payments to work. It's possible they decided to give customers the option to pay with their hands instead of their face because it would feel less like a mugshot. And now they can recommend you the perfect size gloves, possibly even figure out basic nutritional health data so they can recommend you different drugs and nutritional supplements. And what kind of condoms you need. Not that it's proportional. Amazon is reportedly hoping to roll the technology out to a handful of Whole Foods stores by the beginning of next year with no specific locations in mind. And they're refining it so they can bump the accuracy up from within one ten thousandth of an inch or sorry, one ten thousandth of one percent to a millionth of one percent before launch. That is incredible. That's pretty nuts. All right, then. That's pretty much it for the WAN Show. Yeah. Appreciate you guys tuning in. We'll see you again next week. Same bat time, same bat channel. Bye. Oh, wait. Super chats. Can James do another laptop replacement style video of the Samsung Tab S6 like he did for the iPad Pro? Did James do that? I thought Riley wrote our iPad Pro video. Either way, we thought about it. We just really didn't care. I don't know how to I don't know how to say that more kindly. Three nine says, what does this button do? It gives us money. Thanks. DBB Blaine, I'll give you twenty dollars more to eat an entire bag of jerky on air. Hold on a second. Are you going to do it? Well, only if there's a lot of jerky. Only if there's flavors I really like. OK. Oh, there's no jerky on hand. Oh, wait. Is there jerky over there? One moment, please. They didn't sponsor this show. That's fine. I don't care. Oh, wow. There's a lot of jerky here. If there's maple buffalo bacon, I will eat the whole thing in one handful. Have you seen them? Wow. Yeah, I'm doing it. Is that maple? OK. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm so excited. How many? Yeah. How like what's the nutritional information on the entire bag of jerky? Here we go. Per serving side. OK. Servings per container, too. So this will be 16% of my daily total fat. 10 grams. That's actually not as bad as I thought. 3% of my daily or 6% of my cholesterol. A whopping 70% of my daily sodium intake. There we go. 10 grams of carbohydrate, including oh, that's 10 grams of sugars and 5 grams of protein. That could be a lot worse. Yeah. I mean, that's sort of the idea behind Savage Jerky, not that I have to do their talking points because they didn't sponsor the show today. But like. Yep, that's true. Not that bad. Yeah. All right. This is going to be a little messy because this one's kind of like oily. A broken TV. Oh, wow. You're going to do that in one in one shot. I am not sure if I had completely thought this through. That is a lot of bacon. A broken TV says. Can I do one serving? There's two servings per bag. Can I just do half of it? I think I think there's like a level of challenge or disgusting. And you got to figure out where on that makes the most sense. He's doing the whole thing. No, he's doing one serving. He did. Two thirds of the package, I would say. OK, that was. That was a huge amount. That was the lion's share of the bacon all at once. I'm so happy right now. I'm going to keep doing super chats. A broken TV. Have you seen the Microsoft musical their interns made? No. That sounds interesting. The usual gaming PC. Why are large ATX cases still the standard? I think in my opinion, being able to mess around with things is cool and nice. And people don't want to have to limit themselves. And if they have the space for that tower, then whatever, because the cases don't really cost much more. The hardware doesn't really cost much more. If anything, in a lot of cases, possibly cheaper because they're more common. Also, using your old case is a thing that I suspect quite a few people actually do. Especially having gone to quite a few lands now, it's like, wow, yeah, that's from the early 2000s. And it has modern hardware in it. Cool. I'm still planning to review the Chevy Volt. As for the regular trade-ins and doing car review videos, obviously I didn't get around to that. I still kind of want to do it. You could do a car review every year. That's not a bad approach. I spent a year with the Chevy Volt. Yeah. These are my thoughts. I have a lot of thoughts about the Volt. I've basically written out everything I have to say. And then I was putting it off until the summer because I wanted the weather to be good while we shot. And now the summer's gone. So maybe I'll do it next year. I have such a great title for the video that it's going to perform super well regardless of how outdated the Volt and how discontinued it is at that point. Right. Why did we start uploading complete videos on Facebook? Facebook turned on monetization for us, so we stopped ignoring them. Cool. Video suggestion, make a Skull Trail follow-up with the EVGA SR2. I would love to do that. Isn't that kind of old now? The dual socket board for gamers. I thought the SRX was after the SR2, though. Cody says, I work in Labrador. We have 24 megabytes in town and one meg in the country. Oh, megabit, I guess. No cell service. Hard to watch your videos at 2 a.m. when no one's online. Oh, had to. Lol. Thank you for the dedication. Nice. In need of a new backpack because mine got stolen. I'm going to order an LTT backpack because it has everything I need. We don't have a backpack yet. Yeah, what? Speaking of minus tech tips merch, though, we finally have the stealth hoodie back in stock. Also RAM shirts. Yeah, so the hoodie that I'm wearing... Oh, one moment, please. That's better. So yeah, the hoodie I'm wearing is finally back in stock. It's been out of stock for a few weeks now, I think. And then the RAM shirt has actually been super popular. Underwear is doing really well. Actually, the store has been doing awesome. Nick and Lloyd are doing a great job. Massive thanks to all of our models who help us make these things look good. Oh, yeah. And also our other models. Well, they're there on the site. This is such a great picture of Alex. I love it. It is, actually. Just swag it. Swag it's like out of stock of everything but extra and extra extra large. It's freaking ridiculous. You guys have been giving us an incredible amount of support. We have new colors of water bottles coming, I think, in the next couple of weeks. Yeah. Constellation's still doing really well. Elemental. Constellation and CPU are going to be hard to dethrone for me. You think so? Yeah. I actually am partial to hard drive. Hard drive's really good. Hard drive's really, really good. I like that for people who aren't into computers, they're like, oh, yeah, it's like a record. Oh. And I'm like, sure. Why not? It's whatever you want it to be. Yeah. Whatever makes you happy. That's funny. Apple, no answer, Linus. Karma's a bitch. All right, fair enough. Tom again. Me again. My reminder to you that you promised to bring back Channel Super. Okay, we're working on it. Yeah. You didn't say when. It could be like 2030. I did say when. Did you? Yeah, I said it's like sometime in the next couple of months. Oh. So we booked a shoot date today. No, we didn't book it for today, but we booked it today for later. We're both beautiful. Plantation says read his emails. No, no, he didn't read my emails because he's a good person. Oh, get wrecked. Christian says, Luke, I expect my purple Sharpie back next year at LTX 2020. I think I have it. Maybe. Kyuuma says something, Ninja says, here's my Google opinion rewards money. Maybe this helps. What is Google opinion? I think it's like, would you like rate stores and stuff? Really? Yeah. You get money for that? I think you have to sign up for the program, and then I think if you do enough of it, you probably get something. So that's probably like all he's ever made on it. Huh. That's my assumption. I really don't know. And it probably only gives you money within the Google ecosystem. Jerry says, YouTube bad, float playing good. Yeah. Still using my PC, you helped me build in 2015 with a 6600K and 964 gig. Keep doing what you do. Nice. Sweet. I would call iCarly. You guys are friends with her. It might be your best bet. I think you mean iJesteen. Yeah. Carly, that's a good one. I think iCarly is like a Disney Channel thing. I could. So a little bit of Inside Baseball for you guys. It's actually considered, and this is like unspoken, but it's considered bad manners to reach out to other members of the media and ask for hookups unless you have exhausted all other options. And as far as I'm concerned, by the time I have reached out to Apple Media Support and said, hey, I'd love to start a conversation, and they have clearly opted not to follow that up with me, I have basically, I have got an answer, even if it was an answer that I didn't like. Yeah. And so to put someone else, like iJesteen or Jonathan Morrison or Austin or whoever... Into a potentially bad situation. Yeah, to put one of them in a position where they have to put their neck on the line to ask someone else to put their neck on the line to overturn a decision that has clearly already been made, it's not unheard of. It's something I have done, but it's a bigger favor than you guys might necessarily think. Because there is a finite number of seats at these events. There is a finite number of review samples and there is a finite amount of time. And company reps, they have to manage all of those things. And so for every exception that gets made, someone gets kicked out of a seat, off a review sample list, or out of getting a reply in the inbox, if that kind of makes sense to you guys. So we try to be diplomatic about the way that we engage with companies. If they want to engage with us, that's great. And if they don't, then as far as we're concerned, I'll reach out once every three years or so and be like, hey, has the Yahoo who decided they think we're not worth talking to quit or been fired yet? No? Okay, then I guess we'll wait. That's a good way of putting it. Arrotech says, have you guys ever considered an Unraid build config guide? I think you guys could do better than the other guys in YouTube. No, actually, I hadn't thought of doing that lately. It's just, it's kind of dry. Trent says, Apple sucks. I tried to purchase iPads for a school I worked for and couldn't get anyone at Apple to give me a quote. But this says schools only can buy from Apple. I don't really understand that message. Thanks, Everett. Thanks, Kyle. Yes, we're hiring. Just go to our website. If you can't figure out where the positions are listed on our website, then you're probably not the right candidate. All right. Milk or Fish, last question. Why does LTT store charge in USD instead of CAD? Because most of our viewers are US. And also, the USD is worth more. And it's more consistent and just, it's a standard. People internationally understand it better? It's a standard internationally. It makes a lot more sense. Everyone knows their own currency in USD because so much of product pricing, be it games or computer hardware or whatever. Is at least initially based on that. It's based on USD and then converted, although that's become less true over the last like five to 10 years. Like, it used to be that European pricing was sort of based on USD pricing. Now it's based on it, but it's just like one to one because, I don't know, F anyone who pays in pounds or the euro. Yeah. All right, Gus? Kind of brutal. All right. Oh, 32Bites says you get money to use on the Google Play Store for taking surveys. Mostly if you've been to a local store, you get about 10 to 20 cents each. That's not bad. That's surprisingly not bad. I've got a hundred bucks. Wow. If you're playing Classic WoW, join Fairbanks Horde. Join the guild. Come hang out. All right. See you guys. Bye.