 Okay, welcome to the WAN Show. It is a beautiful Friday. And I... Is it? Well, it's hot. That's true. It's like super hot. Like look, I'm flush. I have done very little today. And I am flush. That's because we're in like a warehouse. Like the most... That doesn't really have ventilation. The most exercise that I got today actually was closely related to the most important news from today. Which is that Malaysia's Lee Chong Wei finally made it past China's Lin Dan in the... So cheering was your most exercise? Yeah. Um, yep. So I was up early this morning watching, watching, watching that match. Oh man. Absolutely epic. Absolutely epic. Lee Chong Wei finally passed Lin Dan. If you don't care about badminton, you'll have no idea who either of those people are. But trust me, they're great. I've never watched badminton. I know both of these people. Okay. That's not fair. I have watched badminton when you have showed me like a specific clip on your phone. Okay. Well, I'll tell you what. I will show you... This is important because XYZ... I will show you another specific clip because it's very important. Very, very important. Lee Chong Wei's third match point. Okay. Yeah. Lin Dan makes probably the most epic save that I have seen at that level. And it's, it's incredible. And then he goes on to win it. So it's great. My man, Lee Chong Wei all the way through. Anyway, sorry. I will, I will talk about technology now at some point. Do you want to, do you want to go through topics? Okay. So basically we have AMD Zen and then we have, oh my God, AMD stock price in a good way this time, which is good. Um, there was the IDF or Intel Developer Forum and even more Intel Developer Forum stuff. Basically, we're going to be talking about processing chips a lot. And we'll probably also talk about Nvidia's launch of their 10 series notebook graphics cards. There's no M for mobile, but there could be an N for notebook. Wasn't that last week? Oh no, that was this week. I just saw it last week. Okay. Oh, you're awful. You got to rub it in their face like that. Aren't all these pre-release products that I'm always playing with just like old news and boring. It's like, aren't you just like a total piece of crap to our loyal viewers? All like, yeah, see this is your face. I got my head on the back of your neck and this is like the better position that I'm in all the time. And this is like, yeah, yeah, you like that? Um, all right. So let's see. Wait, did someone just tell me there's no couch in the intro? Oh, well, there's no, oh, he means there's no couch anymore. Wow. It took you just over a year to notice. Yes, it has. It has definitely been a long time since since that. All right. So why don't we jump right into our first topic here. The original article is from PC perspective. So this is a significantly more credible source than last week. Did you post this in the chat already? No, that's fine. Because I'm done. Oh, you just got you just got schooled, son. Yeah, son. That's what rappers do. Right? I mean, sometimes. Yeah, sure. Like, like this, right? I think you're like reversing the 80 20 rule. Oh, you're putting in 80% of the effort and getting 20% of results. That's not how it works. All right. Speaking of 80% of the effort and 20% of the results. AMD. No, no, no, good things. Yes, they are doing good things. And when they do good things, we will notice that they do good things. Yes. And the good thing that they did this time is talking about actually doing a demo. So this comes right on the heels of the WCCF tech leaked benchmarks from last week, doing a demo where they showed off working Zen silicon running a benchmark. I mean, we're talking a benchmark. We are not talking many benchmarks across a variety of different use cases up against a Broadwell each ship, an unnamed Broadwell each ship with eight cores and 16 threads running at three gigahertz. It is speculated that this is a fixed clock 6900 K, though it wouldn't really matter if it was a Xeon at three gigahertz because they are the same thing. It's just easier to do it with a K chip because you can control the clock speed. Hooray processors. So they had identical speeds and claimed comparable configurations. Now they didn't talk about like what motherboards are being ran. They didn't talk about what GPUs were being ran. They didn't talk about any of that kind of stuff. Just comparable configurations. Eight core 16 threads for Zen, eight core 16 threads for Broadwell E both running at three gigahertz. That's all we know like boosts or turbo boosts or anything like that. It looks like has been left out of the picture. And then they only ran blender and the Zen processor was faster than the Broadwell each ship in blender by one to two seconds ish and there was no official score screen shown. Okay, I'm assuming because there would be other information on the score screen that they don't want to show. Yep. So that probably makes sense. So there's I mean there's a number of reasons for that. They wouldn't want to show the Intel processor because then that constitutes like like a performance claim relative to a real competitor. There's going to be all kinds of like legal is going to want to look that up down and sideways. Make sure that they're not saying anything that they can later be sued for by Intel in case you've ever wondered why you know car companies will be like competitor F and competitor B. It's really interesting like W not to go on too much of a tangent but like Hyundai right now is like attacking Honda super hardcore and being like our car has this this very specific car from Honda doesn't have this and like it's weird because usually companies don't do that. Usually they shy away from that. Now my understanding is competitors. Yeah, competitors or or they would make it like like my favorite is when they have like competitors and they put like the first letter like the last letter and like asterisk the ones in between where it's obvious. But it's kind of like the way that we censor on Linus Tech Tips. Yeah, we're not really trying to obscure the meaning. Yeah, we're just you know trying to make it so that I don't get angry emails. Yeah, parents of kids who watch the show. We bleeped it. We just bleeps not even an entire letter. Yeah, we did our due diligence. Like my understanding is it's actually pretty rare for that to turn into an actual like defamatory statement lawsuit. However, AMD is showing unreleased hardware and even internally at AMD. Okay, Dr. Sue, who is different from Dr. Seuss by the way. Lisa Sue AMD Sue. Dr. Sue probably doesn't know exactly what configurations and will ship in. So let's say they discover at the last second that their yields will not allow them to hit a TDP that is competitive with broad well yet that clock speed they have to lower the clock speed. Then if someone points back and says hey, you showed official score screens that have like model numbers you said you were faster. You're not faster in the shipping product. Now they got a problem so I can understand their hesitance to be too upfront about any of this. Zen to jump back to the technology discussion. What we do know a hyper threading ish thing. It's obviously not called hyper threading Intel TM TM. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it's called simultaneous multi threading. Which is the generic that's the tissue paper to the Kleenex. Yeah, sort of comparison. Yeah, SMT SMT it makes me think a lot of SMP anyways, don't worry about it. It utilizes high bandwidth and low latency caching systems and a 14 nanometer process from global foundries. And they're claiming it has a 40% increase in IPC over excavator at equal energy per cycle consumption. Now, we were we were both going there. Yeah, it's a little old now. I mean, if Intel hadn't upgraded their processors in the last five years, they could claim they have a 40% improvement in Skylake performance. Yeah, over the last thing that they did. So I would hope that there would be a very significant increase in IPC over excavator. So I'm happy that there is a lot of this is coming down to. I don't personally like AMD. No, that's what our viewers seem to really pre release stuff and rumor stuff. And I am very excited actually genuinely very excited to get this in office and like try it against things. Because if AMD if these things are true, and especially on the slightly lower end, or if this thing is considerably cheaper, and can actually fight really well that is so good for markets in so many different ways. Wrap your brain around this. Okay. Let's say you and I like got together, we had a meeting. Okay. And the meeting was like, Okay, let's figure out what our next build blog is going to be. Or like build guide. Okay, get this. We go. Wow. AMD has a great value gaming chip that's really efficient, and like has all the latest features. Let's do that. It hasn't happened in so long. I know right. The reason why we haven't included AMD chips and things for so long is because where are they? There's, it's where are they and it's the 8350s were like super cool, like a while ago, it's the sex appeal to like it's the fact that whether whether the whether the vocal minority likes it or not. If our goal over here is to be kind of like the top gear of PCs, then there's really there's really not many opportunities for us to feature AMD PCs, you'll see them on things like value builds. So we've done that in the last couple of years featuring AMD processors, you'll see them in things like, let's see, retro builds. So I rebuilt my first gaming machine, and I used an AMD processor for that. But the reality of it is, is that if the idea is to be kind of like a top gear, you show off the best of the best you show the halo stuff you show the jaw dropping stuff that's like just straight cool factor. And you might show like a junker from time to time, which is exactly what we would do on something like a scrap yard wars where we take like really old hardware from AMD Nvidia or Intel, we don't care. It's like it's old stuff and we kind of have fun with it. And then there's really not much room for that like that like yaris, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, the the the economical, you know, hey, it's got the better onboard graphics than the competitor. But you know, this is a this is a building that literally doesn't have a single machine in it that isn't a laptop that has onboard graphics. So it so it doesn't give us many opportunities, even though they're technically on board, but like, they usually separate, but this, this is exciting because we as much as the yaris doesn't excite me much. I could get pretty amped up about something like I'm going to try and come up with something comparable and I'm not a car person. So that makes it really tough. I can get excited about a Prius. Okay, where we can go. Okay, it's not like the cheapest possible thing to get you down the road, but it's like fuel economy, economical, and it's got like some cool features and it's a good value. Yeah, I can get excited about that. So I'm I'm I'm looking forward even from raw a competition standpoint. Having good competition is a very good thing and like Intel. I love you guys, but you're getting a little lazy. I wouldn't call it lazy. I would call it the focused. Yeah. Okay. Defocused on the desktop market. Yeah. And I understand why not a lot of inspiration. There's basically nothing in it for them to keep innovating. What are they going to do? Go from 80 whatever high percent market share or whatever it is that they're at right now. It's something ludicrous to do. Are they going to get another 1%? Yeah. Like if they double their R&D, what are they going to get for it? Nothing. Whereas if AMD comes back, claws away some market share and makes Intel fight for it to the point where it's like, okay, we're increasing our R&D spending by 60%. We need to improve the clock speed or IPC of the next generation or two generations away core processor by 30% in order to smack down this upstart. Like that's where innovation comes from because you have to understand that no one here is like is like just doing things out of love. Money turns the wheel. Any publicly traded company ultimately answers to its shareholders. And so if Intel doesn't have a single good reason on paper to really change much of anything other than making sure that they're leading the technology charge, which improves their margin, which improves their sales, like they'll keep refreshing the products. They'll keep improving. But they don't have a reason to like heavily invest in completely reinvent the wheel unless AMD gives them one. Yeah. So good competition. This looks hopeful. Yeah. And as much as we tease them, honestly, it's easier for me to tease them now in a situation where it really looks like the light is visible at the end of the tunnel. Totally. And it's not an oncoming train. Yeah. With that said, they've hurt me many times before and I don't like that said at the same time. They've also done great things. They have. It's just been a long time. Yeah. So one of my easily favorite computers I've ever owned was a Athon X2. Like if I made the battered wife analogy on WAN Show before, where it's like AMD and I had the good times, but then they just kept beating me up. They promised to bring you to Disneyland and then they didn't. And then they didn't. They promised me that Disneyland would be full of, you know, FENOM 2 overclocking and it wasn't. They told you that the coolest thing ever was coming and then it was a rebranded SSD. That's right. There's been some disappointing times. This will hopefully not be one of them. Did we even take a video about that thing? I don't think so. Who was the actual, hold on, who was the actual maker of the AMD SSD? I feel like it was Patriot or something. Was it Patriot? Or OCZ or something? Ah, AMD SSD. Wow, for a long time. Yeah, hold on. Oh man. I really wish I could remember what it was. I'm just going to Google it instead of checking our videos. Like someone in the chat is going to tell us. Yeah, someone will tell us. OCZ. OCZ. Okay. Yeah. Where without, it's really funny when companies do this. It's like, this seems like a very first world problem, I'm sure. But from time to time, we'll have companies that instead of reaching out to us asking if we want to do a review, they'll just kind of put it in the mail. And when they'll time it so that like basically the moment that it's arriving, they'll like call and we'll be like, hi. We'll be like, yeah, so you've got the latest, greatest freaking unbelievable thing. We'll be like, what this? And they're like, yeah, so for your review, are you going to do this? And I'm like, I'm not reviewing this. This is the least exciting SSD on the face of the earth. Out of all the unexciting SSDs that have ever existed, this is probably the least exciting one. All you've done is put a sticker. You're AMD for crying out loud. You can't just put a sticker on things. You design hardware. Don't put a sticker on something you didn't design. Especially an SSD. They didn't even rewrite the firmware. What? Like it just, the whole thing made absolutely no sense. I don't know if these, do these still exist? Let's have a look. Maybe they do. Hold on. Let's find out in real time. Look at that. They still do. Oh man. And people buy them, which is great. I mean, there's nothing wrong with it. That is really cheap. Wow. Then again, SSDs are just like cheap now, so that's a thing. But the point was not that it was a bad product. It was just the world's least interesting product. It's unexciting. And they resorted to pulling tricks like, like us already having it and just being like, well, now you've already got it. See it? It was such a hype train too. Yeah, it was a real hype train. Not in the RAM too. I think the RAM was pre LMG. So I was actually at NCIX when we got briefed on like AMD's exciting bold strategy for rebranding Patriot memory. I remember these too. I remember getting these at the old studio. Here, hold on. I'll share your screen. Okay. Were these Patriot? Yeah. Okay. So that's where I got that confusion. Yeah. Yeah. Built by partner XYZ. So in the case of the ones that I had anyway, it was Patriot memory. I thought we might've even still had some of these lying around, but I went looking for them the other day and I couldn't find them. Oh, interesting. Anyway, so solid. We actually use them in like a fair amount of stuff. So I'm approaching this tentatively. I've said this before, but I feel like I'm going to be saying it on Wensho every week until Zen launches. So get used to it. I'm approaching it tentatively, but I feel like he might really take me to Disneyland this time. Maybe it does kind of feel like it, right? It does kind of feel like it really feels. It's really different this time. He's going to take me to Disneyland. It's like, what's that mark on your arm? This is our last trip to Disneyland. Oh, I really hope it's true. I like the thing is this time, instead of it being like a mystery, exciting product, it's like they're telling us what it is. They have some confidence and they're like telling us stuff about it. Instead of just being like, it's great. Hooray. Chris771 on Twitch chat says AMD soon to rebrand Nvidia GPUs. Oh no, that was rude. Oh, that's not nice. Hey, their graphics cards are doing really good right now. 1v1Rusp9 says decide is it Zed or is it Z? It's both because we're Canadian, which means that we have no culture. We just borrow from the South and we borrow from the Brits and we don't know who we borrowed what from. It's kind of true. Sorry, it is what it is. I don't make the rules, my friends. My favorite thing was playing WoW because there was a raid in an instance and I called one of them ZG and I called the other one ZF. But that made sense to me and that was their names and that's how it went. We just go with whatever sounds like better, whatever sounds smoother. Yeah, so it's O, C, Z for me and it's W, X, Y, and Z because it rhymes because now I know my ABCs. Fun fact, it's the same tune as Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. Oh, it is. And there's something else too. Can't remember what it is. Row, Row, Row Your Boat. No, no, not that one. ABC Twinkle Twinkle Little Star and there's like one other like super... Yeah, I can't remember, but it's actually not terribly important. Anyways, it sounds like other people have confidence that we're actually going to Disneyland this time too because AMD's stock has just absolutely skyrocketed. So I think in the last day, it's gone up 11% and this year it's gone up 330%. Boom! Which is insane. That is so much. I remember when AMD was trading at like a buck or two. Yeah. I was actually even thinking about it at the time. I was like, realistically, it couldn't go any lower. Maybe I should just buy a bunch. But I mean, OCZ became a penny stock before they went under. So I was like, I don't know. Although OCZ, whatever. OCZ, whatever. It's probably a little bit more of a volatile position than AMD is. Yeah, yeah, that's true. And I knew enough about the inner workings of OCZ to know that like, that was well enough deserved at the time that that happened. So like that's also really cool because they need that really badly. They can't just have a really good product launch. They also need investor confidence. Yeah. And the fact that the investor confidence is coming before the really good product launch, okay, of Zen, I guess their graphics cards are doing super well as well. Yeah, they just don't really have that many of them right now and the ESPs are kind of low. And sorry, I'll let you finish, but I have another comment on the graphics cards. You think you just butt into people's conversations because you're old now? It's not a conversation. You're sitting there talking out into the dark. No, because there's Twitch chat. They didn't ask you about this. That's not a conversation. Just saying things. That's not conversation. By that logic, I am an excellent conversation. So wait, you can't have a conversation unless someone asks you about a topic? Well, there has to be a back and forth. That's a conversation. But they can respond. Yeah, but they won't. Yes, we did. Someone just said, yes, we did. Yes, we did. You know what? You know what Nick says? How does this show have sponsors? Says Nick Light. I don't know. It's his job to get them. I don't know how he does it. See, the Shockster says, Luke, I asked you, don't worry. See, he's got my back. All right. So I want to move on to AMD's success with GPUs and into something that could have a significant impact on that reason success. So you have you've tested the RX 480. You've tested the RX 470. Thoughts so far? We're giving it the thumbs up. Definitely. Definitely. The price differential between those two cards is a little weird. It does seem like a very crowded product. Yeah. Yeah. But especially when you have partners that are trying to attack like it's the usual thing, right? Where EVGA is the worst offender here. They've had I've seen them have up to like nine super clocks for the win. K.O. K.O. plus super, super clock super, super clock. Plus it is freaking super clock ACX 2. It's freaking endless with those guys. And when you have separate GPUs, like architecturally different, well, not architecturally, but like actual chip design, different GPUs, because they are the same architecturally. 30 or 40 bucks of each other. There's not a lot of room for Sapphire to go like, yeah, it's the Nitro Plus RX 460. And it costs like as much as an RX 480. Because then it's like, OK, well, I'm just going to buy the better one. Yes. So like there's yeah. Anyway, so other than that, looking pretty good, looking pretty keen, you know, but Nvidia went and dropped a bomb this week. If you want to actually post this one in the chat, I kind of skipped ahead to it. Yeah, I don't know where. Nvidia releases GeForce GTX 1060 3G. In a move that I personally find a little bit misleading and confusing, because the GTX 1060, while it is based on the same GPU or excuse me, the GTX 1060 3G, while it is based on the same GPU as the GTX 1060, you might want to drop that in chat, which has six gigs of RAM, but is called the GTX 1060, not the GTX 1066 gig. Yeah. Wait, I see now I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore. It's not quite the same. It's not as fast. They've done more. Yes, they've done more than just take away some of the memory, like we saw before with the 8800 GTS 320 and 8800 GTS 640 meg, which were actually identical cards other than the difference in frame buffer. The reason, presumably, this is just my guess, that they've done this, is because otherwise there would be pretty much no reason for people to buy a GTX 1060, brackets, 6 gigabyte. Then the reason for that being that the GTX 1060 is really not targeting 4K gaming, or like ultra-wide 1440p gaming or anything like that. And if you're gaming at 1080p or slightly above, three gigs of RAM is going to pretty much do you until it's time to upgrade to your next GPU, something that people who buy that bang for the buck 199 graphics card typically do. Which I guess leads us pretty well into what makes the GTX 1060 3 gig somewhat scary for AMD. It comes in at an MSRP of 199. Yeah. So it does have a VRAM disadvantage, but it is based on the same architecture as the 1060. Now Nvidia is not seeding us a review sample, but I don't know, have we reached out to anyone about getting one yet? Are we going to have a look at this? We have not. I've been... There's... Okay. But at lower this... Okay. Before we go on for a little bit, what the hell GPU launches? Yeah, I know. Stop! I mean, we've had viewers complain. We've had conversations, like we sat down for a monthly review meeting, and we're going like, there are too many GPU videos. And it's like, well... And like, I get it, but then there's this, and I need to do like VRAM testing to show that this thing's okay. And then there's a 460 that we like, I think we have one. And it's like, oh my God, I have to make a review of that, because then people are going to be like, oh, your name, you're an Nvidia fanboy because you didn't make a 460 review. And if you do it three months from now, no one will care. No. But then like, there's too many videos. Oh. And then there's the X12 and Falcon, and I need to make that make sense, but those are confusing. Actually, that's a pretty exciting video that should be coming pretty soon. We actually had an entire hour-long meeting on how to make an analogy to make the new APIs kind of make sense. And we never got there, but Luke says he has a new solution. Yeah. Stay tuned. Anyway, if the 1060, in spite of its slightly fewer functional units, so I'm going to go ahead and pull up the AnonTech article here again. Thanks, Mr. Ryan Smith, for compiling this wonderful chart that I am outright taking from you so that I can show it to my viewers. But it's okay. You can get more information from Mr. Smith's article, so you should go over there. I did link it in the chat. So aside from having fewer CUDA cores, fewer texture units, it is clocked the same. It has the same memory bus width. It has the same... Like, I'm interested in testing this because... Very close. So if this thing overclocks, like a GTX 1060 6GB, the 10% performance advantage that NVIDIA quoted to us over RX 480 could stretch out significantly. Dun dun dun. At the same time, there's a pretty big flop difference. Yep. And like the... More than 10%. Eight fewer texture units is actually pretty large. And like the amount of CUDA core difference is actually fairly substantial. So like, it's going to be an interesting test. I don't know. I really wish they had called it something else. This is very frustrating for me. Or that should have been the 1060. And then the 10... Like, okay. It should have been a TI. Yeah, the 1060 6GB should have been a 1060 TI. So what I was just going to say was this smacks of one of two things. Intentional deception or complete disorganization. And you know how you and I were discussing our theory, or your theory. I won't take credit for your theory. Your theory that the event in London, the Nvidia event in London was intended to launch the 10 series notebook GPUs as well as Titan X. And possibly this. But that they just jumped the gun. That was kind of the theory that you had thrown at me. Because, okay, think about it. That talk at Stanford. Like, look at pictures of that room. That's a pretty random talk. Like, the people in there are important. And the fact that that conversation happened is good and important. But why launch a GPU there? It's really weird. And like, I got the email that Titan X launched, like while I was driving to go get food. And the subject line was like, surprise. What? Where did this come from? So I have confirmation from Nvidia. That is not the case. Okay. The email was a one word email. Doesn't make it less weird. One word email. No. Actually, no, I think there was another line. It was like, no, that was never the plan or something. It's like, okay. But I still don't really understand it. It still just feels kind of disjointed and disorganized. Because I don't understand. And why are you launching this now? You have everyone talking about the hype of all the mobile but without M awesome new GPUs and laptops thing. That just happened. And I don't think Nvidia is ill informed enough to be reacting to RX 480 with this. Like, I think this because it's actually, okay. If this was just a GTX 1060 card with less RAM on it and a tweaked firmware to address less RAM, then I might go, oh, this is a reaction move. But this is a different bin. This is a different bin of the GPU. So this was planned months ago. Well, we've known because there's been rumors of a 6 gig for a while now. Versus a 3 gig, you mean? Yeah, sorry. No, there's been rumors of a 3 gig. Sorry. Like, this isn't a new concept. It's been floating around the internet for a bit. So it's just very frustrating that this is confusing. And I feel like I'm turning into a broken record. But it feels like the more I criticize companies, whether it's Razer or whether it's actually I take a shot at HP in my upcoming Spectre video. Yeah, because they actually have a product called the HP... Oh, shoot. What was the HP Envy Spectre from 2012? And I'm like... Yes, this is slightly different. But it's really frustrating as just a person who consumes technology. Like I was trying to look up an iFixit Teardown Guide of the new Spectre. So I searched for HP Spectre Teardown or HP Spectre Disassembly, HP Spectre Internals. And it's all the old one because that's how SEO works. Like something that's been well established to be important sits at the top of the search rankings. Like freaking Titan X. Just call it something else, please. It is not a lot for me to ask. And it feels like the more I drone on and on about this, the worse it's getting. I actually was apparently, and this is quite an honor, I'm very excited about it. I was apparently just invited to join Razer CEO Min Lang Tan on stage at PAX. I actually have no idea what it's about, other than that I think it's something to do with Blade. Yeah. Which makes sense because... Well, it's... Okay. Oh, do we know what it's about? Like is it announced? Should we be talking about it though or is it a surprise? I think we can. Let's just not. Anyway, the point is I'm joining him there because I love the product, but I'm saying it right now. I'm saying it right now. Heads up to the world. I plan to criticize the Blade naming scheme while I'm on stage with him. Because if I don't keep trumpeting this message, then no one will hear it. I think he does it at this point just to spite me personally. Maybe. Knowing that guy. Yeah, I wasn't going to say that part, but that's exactly what I thought. Alright, let's do our first... I'm so shiny and sweaty right now. Let's do our first IDF coverage here. So this is from... The original article here is from PCPer. I'm going to go ahead and drop this in the Twitch chat here. Boom, let's pull up the article. Our good buddy Ryan Schraud over there is talking about Intel's project alloy that promises to make my idea for how to make VR better completely obsolete. Because apparently they're a bunch of butt holes. Mean people. They're taking my whole idea and making it completely irrelevant because their idea is better and designed by actual engineers who know what they're doing. So it's called project alloy and it is meant to enable a completely untethered VR experience. It utilizes, you guessed it, Intel processors and sensors and it moves all the necessary compute into the headset, including enough battery to power the device for a typical session. The goal is to remove the need for a separate PC. Now, this is not the first time that a chip maker has demonstrated a working prototype of something like this. The first example was the AMD Sulon Q. Let's go ahead and pull that up. Okay, the article that we have here is from Ars Technica. Come on Ars, you can do it. There you go, that's the Sulon Q that had an AMD... What was in that thing? FX processor, FX APU with R7 grade graphics, 8 gigs of DDR3. It was terrible. Why are they doing this? Well, they're doing this because I guess the idea is that while my idea of converting the three wire tether into a single thin cable and moving some of the battery power for the headset, as well as the media converter for Thunderbolt to HDMI and USB, while my idea is probably better for now, I don't know, 10 years from now, maybe? Sure. Assuming Moore's Law holds up. Yeah, but I feel like a wireless communication system while still talking to a separate processing unit is going to be so much better. Because like, okay, I have used the Sulon Q. It was actually a disgustingly horrible experience. Huh. Like really bad. Remember Sulon's Cortex? Cortex? That's that company, Cortex. Remember when I went to CES, I think it was in 2015, and I was all excited for this one company and I was going to go see them first and I was super stoked because they were another competitor in the VR scene. That's right. That scene feels like it was forever ago. It was. This was an advancement. Yeah, okay. But it was a horrible experience to the point where they told me to come back because what I was describing to them sounded like bugs. And then I came back and tried it again and they're like, yeah, it's all fixed, everything's good. And I'm like, no, this is broken. This is such a terrible experience. And the CEO is there being like, oh, and I'm like, how are you guys going to compete against Oculus and Vive? Well, Vive at the time was not really a thing. It was pretty crap. But then it came out and now it's the better one. So anyways, just to frame that, the original Vive had a lot of problems. Originally, he didn't talk to me about Vive. No. At all. No. That came later. But I'm following the horse that's running the race. So Intel demonstrated using your hands and other real world items to interact with the world using RealSense. So the Sulon uses a leap sensor. Cool. And this is an interesting, this must be a comment from the article or something. Current implementation that was shown during the keynote has promise, but is currently, this is great. I love this. Shroud can be so tactful sometimes, but is currently clunky and less than what PCPer expected from the company. Interesting. The current prototype headset looks, and this is another quote, pretty heavy, pretty bulky. So here's the problem. Here's the problem, though. With trying to move, with trying to use wireless communication to a base station, the gigabytes per second of data, unless you are using some kind of very sophisticated compression, which would be highly visible, very noticeable on a screen that's supposed to be the size of your entire field of vision, like until the compression and decompression technology can be done instantly, which right now we're not even close. Like even GPU accelerated compression, like the best that Nvidia and AMD and Intel can develop right now that you're using for technologies like Steam and home streaming is not anywhere near low latency enough for VR. So we're talking uncompressed data streams, huge amounts of data, and you have to somehow beam it wirelessly without everyone in the house getting cancer. That's an important part. And I get all that, which is why I understand why they might not be going that direction at least now. And that's fine. Move the processing onto your chest or your back or your hips. I'd be interested to see more like a suit. Yeah, like an entire wearable suit. Because you can make a decently powerful computer that's like eight pounds. Yeah. Okay, you heard it here first. You heard it here first. Okay. PCI Express Bridge around the back to like the GPU that has direct open access to cooling and stuff. Motherboard mounted on the front with CPU. And you have to like... Power supply like battery packs around the thighs. Yeah, because you could have like... The flaring. You know those stupid orange pants I have that everyone comments on in every video I ever do? Yes, I do. You could have those kind of like lots of pockets and stuff on the side and have them loaded with rechargeable batteries. This could be a very interesting project. You know what's really funny is like I posted a picture on Twitter a little while ago saying like, Stay tuned for my VR backpack. This is unlike anything you've ever seen. So many of the comments are like, Cordo Digital did a video like that. Okay. Listen carefully. This is unlike anything you've seen. Means that they didn't. So there's a lot of different ways. There's a lot of different takes on a VR backpack. Yeah, yeah. And I think this take... This is what I would prefer. This is what I've wanted people to kind of work on because putting everything on your head is so unnecessary. Yeah. And you get the suit on Cortex where like, okay, the Q is beyond that and whatever, but it's the same concept. And there's a lot of weight. It's big in the front and it's big in the back and it doesn't work very well. And like this is some pretty grade 9 physics lesson stuff here. But the further the weight gets away from your body, the much, much worse that weight becomes. It's on your neck. Whereas if you can take the weight and you can get it in nice and tight, like in a vest type form factor, I mean, we could be looking at a very, very usable experience. And like, okay, so with it on your... Where was I going with this? I had it for a second. So on your head, there's the pain and it has to be a contained experience. So there's weight, pain, all that kind of stuff, contained experience. It doesn't feel very good. You're not going to be able to pack in as much hardware for one, because you could go like crazy. Like the left side of my back has one graphics card. The other side of my back has another graphics card. Like ridiculousness. Or you could just go with one. Doesn't matter. Like you could do either. What? You could... Like what I'm saying is you're not that limited. We should probably water cool it while we're at it, okay? Why not? Let's do it. What I'm saying is you're not that limited in the hardware that you probably could. But you could put more stuff there, which is great, because you're dealing with like atom processors or smaller stuff or whatever, when it's going on your head. And that sucks. And you're not going to get the performance that people actually want right now in VR. Some people are concerned about heat, but I think with a Skylake processor, like a Core i5 6400 or something like that, whatever Intel might say about that, you've got enough power to run VR games. It's just fine. And that's like... No, you get something like a 6600T. 35 watt TDP desktop chip. And like build a channeling thing. There's a different word for that. I screwed that up. But build a channeling thing like 3D print something. A shroud. There we go. To go over your CPU so it pushes all the air like down. Then it won't be hot in front of you. It's going to blow up into your face. You can keep it away from you. You can use... Yeah, but... Oh, man. Flora style GPUs can shoot down your back. An ITX motherboard is actually not that big. Yeah, no. It's not big at all. Like seriously, not that big. There you go. Okay, okay. Well, we are going to... We're going to give this some more thought offline. But there you have it, folks. You heard it here first. But anyway, sorry. One more thing before we move on. The thing that really sucks about it is the coolest thing about our Oculus right now is the headset is really nice. Yep, it's light. And it's small and it's light. And that's really good. And it's very noticeable between the two. Yep. Going to something where it's all stored up there is so backwards. 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So your website will look great on a square screen, on a wide screen, on a tall screen, on a small screen, or on a nothing at all screen. Sorry, I was reading Horton Here's a Who last night, so I'm just like... Okay, yeah. I was gonna be like, well, technically it wouldn't. Technically it wouldn't look great on that, but you could feel great about it, even if you weren't looking at a screen. They've got 24-7 support via live chat and email to help you get set up if you're not a super techie person, and you can actually customize your site further if you happen to be a bit more of a techie person. The templates all look great in whether you want a complete website with directions to your restaurant and a menu and customer testimonials and a gallery, or whether you just want one of those doofy one-page web presences that are popular with Web 2.0 companies. I mean, I realize it's not in my talking points to criticize one of the services that Squarespace offers. I'm not saying Squarespace does a bad job of it. To defend, those sites do work well for mobile. Okay, I'm not talking about the ones that scroll a long way and actually do contain information. I'm talking about the ones that just have an inspirational picture and a company name and a slogan and a contact us or something. You know what? Don't even have a webpage. Or if you do, use Squarespace. Because if you do, you can try it out for two weeks for nothing with no credit card required and then when you decide you like it, you can go to squarespace.com slash when and use offer code when to save 10%. And if you need help because you're like, all we had before was a picture. This isn't hard. And then you're like, oh, I'm a little lost on making my website. They have 24 seven email and live chat support, which I already said, but that's okay. It's still important. It's doubly important. Squarespace. It's doubly important. If they're not going to let me use their old slogan, I'm going to make up my own. So every week we have to come up with our own custom Squarespace slogan. Squarespace doubly important, double portents, double portination. Oh man. Okay. Hopefully our rep isn't watching this one. Nick is probably just literally crying upstairs right now. Probably. Why do I even do this? You know what's funny? Last week when he was on the show, he was participating in the sponsor spot. Shenanigans turns out it's just part of the show. It kind of is. You get sucked into this show, you know, like the show sucks. We try to make it not suck. All right. Next up, another WCCF tech article Intel Kaby Lake desktop lineup has been leaked. Dun dun dun. I 77700 K. That was, that was difficult to predict. I sure as heck didn't see that. You know what? Sometimes it is. That's true with things. That is true. I did not see, I did not see 6950 X coming. Yeah. At $1,700. You got me Intel. Good job. You pulled one over on me that time. I didn't see that one coming. And speaking of which, we do have a video for the people that asked for it, which was a few, um, on a computer that's cheaper than a CPU, which is really easy to do when the CPU is $1,700. That's right. We should have done a computer cheaper than a CPU with my 22 core Xeon. The $40,000, $40,000, $4,000 CPU. Not 40. Yeah. You could have a computer and a laptop and a new phone cheaper than a CPU. All your electronics cheaper than a CPU. You know, people give us a lot of crap for clickbait, but like, trust me, if we wanted to clickbait, we could clickbait. I actually have a great clickbait video coming very soon. Oh my. Double, triple or quadruple your internet speed. Oh yeah. No, that's actually. Except you actually can. See? Yeah. That's. We gotta keep our clickbait where like it's actually true usually. And. Or where if there's a question mark, the answer isn't always no. Because there's that thing where like when news articles do something with a question mark, the answer is always no, but we try to make it so that it's not always no. So what I will say about this is that while the video most assuredly contains a reference to Theo Joe, he's actually offered to provide me with a custom video clip for it. Oh geez. It is not a Theo Joe video. It is a legitimate way. Isn't he doing actual tech stuff now? Like not troll text. I don't know. I think he has another channel, which is like actual text. Okay. I hadn't. Theo Joe tech. Theo Joe. And I think this is like. Actual, legitimate things. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yep. It looks like these are real things and it's actually got content. Xbox one S unboxing. Like he's actually doing real things with that said, he definitely hasn't. He definitely hasn't given up on the whole complete nonsense. Seven hours ago, how to make money without working. Oh, how to get an Xbox one S for free. Probably my favorite, my favorite one of his that I've ever looked at, although I haven't looked at many is this one, how to get free cable with all the channels. It involves, um, taping, taping blank CDs to your coax cable, being careful of the spacing because like science. So be sure to do it exactly like this. I mean, it's fun. Oh, geez. What the hell? Yeah. Probably my favorite thing about his videos is not his videos, but reading the comments under his videos of people who are like, actually I have reason to believe this wouldn't work. No, really? Hey, are those the headphones you're looking for? Uh, no, I found them. Brandon did have them though. He had two pairs. He had one pair signed out and he had the other pair on his desk. He's like, Oh yeah, I noticed I had two. So I put one on my desk. It's just like how that one day when we were all going to like compete over that mouse and then he just noticed that it happened to be plugged into his computer already. And just took it. Yeah. The MX master. I still have one on my desk because I was going to review it. It has literally never been plugged in. Oh, what? Yeah. I just, I keep meaning to like review it, but I really like, like I actually get, I get the, I get that really worrying feels really cold, but hot, uh, sensation in my wrist, if I use almost anything, but a Corsair, um, M 40 or M 45. Wow. Even the additional weight of the M 65, even though it's the same shape, um, it seems like it might be a combination of the weight and the fact that I have to avoid the snipe button makes it less comfortable for me. Like I haven't had wrist issues since I started using that mouse. So I'm just going to stick with it. I'm like, I'm like Taryn this way. I actually have literally a pile that has a label next to it that says, Linus's do not touch of M 45s on the shelf. Corsair was kind enough when I was like, yo, I noticed the M 45 is discontinued. This is a big problem for me. Do you have any left? They basically gathered up everything that was in the office, put in a box and sent it to me. I was like, look, this isn't your best interest because my mouse, whether on purpose or by accident appears on camera all the time. It is in your best interest for it to be your mouse, but I can't have them. If they don't exist anymore, please send me more. So they did it. All right. Let's talk about the, let's talk about the KB Lake rumors. There are 10 skews detailed in the leak. Uh, the mainstream desktop chips will be slightly delayed to early 2017 with mobile processors set to arrive as soon as possible. And the mainstream chips will use LGA 11 51, the same soccer to skylight, which is cool. Um, it is revealed that the mobile chips are already shipping to OEMs. Oh wow. Um, and it is revealed that KB Lake X. So the HEDT high, high, wait, HED high end. That's right. High end desktop, desktop. Yeah. High end desktop will utilize LGA 20 66, the same as sky lake X. Um, there's some like specific processor spec stuff. There's a lot of it. So chipset will change to 200 series. There will be no compatibility with older generation motherboards. And the core I seven 7,700 K will be yet another quad core with a 95 watt TDP compared to 91 Watts, a higher base clock. So 4.2 versus 4.0 gigahertz with boost to 4.5 versus 4.4 plus the Presumable architectural improvements, though. This is still not exactly like the world's most doesn't seem like leaps and bounds. Exciting thing ever. Um, the core I five 7,600 K will be a quad core with no hyperthreading. Didn't see that one coming. Um, the 7,700 will actually have a significantly lower base clock than the K variant this time around at 3.6. Allegedly, although it'll have a much lower TDP. So they're actually going mainstream with the not K one. And they are giving enthusiasts a significant performance bump for being enthusiasts and buying a K, whether they're overclocking or not. Although another way of looking at that is that they are taking away how close the 6,700 K was to the 6,700 and making it not as close. Yeah. So that more people will buy the more expensive one. Yes. Um, because money, the T chips are going to have 35 watt TDP is apparently. Uh, I actually just recently worked on a pretty cool what Intel CPU to buy article. So that's coming up soon. And it looks like the T chips while they're all going to be within that same TDP range, um, are going to be significantly higher clock speeds are going to be available with significantly higher clock speeds. Although I don't know anything about boost clocks right now. It is speculated that we'll see the usual five to 10% per core performance improvement over the previous generation with key features to include 30 Hertz, 5K support on one display and 5K 60 Hertz with dual interface, um, with dual interfaces, HEVC 10 bit hardware decoding, um, 4K blah, blah, blah, support for Thunderbolt three, et cetera. So not necessarily the most exciting thing. Nope. But it'll be faster and it'll be like the same price as the outgoing chips. So you'll buy it. And this is why we need Zen to do really well. Yeah. All right. The Logitech G Pro gaming mouse designed with and for professional eSports player. I always get a kick out of this when this is like the headline from a gaming peripheral company designed in collaboration with professional eSports player designed for professional gamers. But Logitech, I actually had a conference call with them about this. I decided not to do a review because I am just straight up not qualified to test it. Um, well, it's not doing it. Ed kind of went. Yeah, this is a legitimately good product by the look of things, but he doesn't think that it's, uh, that it, that it gets a spot on the review calendar right now. Because it's not like nothing fundamentally new. Basically, what they've done is they've taken a shape that professional gamers loved, which is the what is it? The G, uh, G three oh three or whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah. It's G one hundred something. Whatever. They've taken a shape. Do you want to hundred S? There we go. That's the one. Sorry. I was I was struggling because it's all just geez and numbers. So they've taken a shape that gamers love the G one hundred S and then they've put their P.M.W. thirty three sixty six sensor. The same one that's used in the G five oh two and the G nine hundred inside it. They've optimized the weight, making it basically a good shape. Top of the line sensor like final mouse competitor, ultra light mouse. Sixty nine bucks. Sixty nine bucks for the top of the line sensor. Hyper lightweight. Make a video like all the best products at sixty nine dollars. Actually, it's kind of because actually, OK, there's the P four hundred immature buyers guide. Can you build a computer with all products that are sixty nine dollars? And how good is it? Could you? You probably could. RAM would be doable. Drive, make a case. Motherboard case. Mouse Intel has C.P.U.s in that range. A.M.D. does, too. I mean, monitor would be tough. So would G.P.U. You could get a monitor. You could get a video card for sixty nine dollars. It just wouldn't be very good. Well, same with Monter. Yeah. You might actually be able to get a 1080p monitor for sixty nine bucks. And you could enjoy all the 1080pness. Should I do this? Should I actually do that? That's actually like not the worst idea we've ever had. This is a good WAN show. We're coming up with some pretty good video ideas here. So basically, this is the mouse. This is like the mystery mouse that a handful of pro gamers have been actually using to compete and on streams for quite some time, but haven't been able to talk about. Looks like the bomb. Looks like it's going to sell a metric butt ton. And kudos to Logitech for listening to their customers and listening to their pro gamers. Because as much as I'm mocking them a little bit here for advertising, it is like, help me co-design my pro gamer. Logitech actually does seem to take that seriously. And they actually do seem to do it. So you've got to give credit. When I was there checking out the G900, there was a lot of like, you know, we wanted to do this thing, but then like so-and-so from the sponsored team was like, no, it has to be this way. And then like they pushed us to do this thing or that thing. And these were the engineers talking where honestly, usually when I go talk to different companies, the way that I get like the insider information that the PR guys don't want to talk about is just talk to the engineers because they don't really have the greatest filter. Usually they just kind of say stuff, which is great. That's perfect for me. So like, I don't know, they actually do seem to care, which is good. All right. Global foundries to skip 10 nanometer. We're getting into our rapid fire topics here. To skip 10 nanometer and jump straight to 7 nanometer. So they are, I guess that's pretty much all there is to say about it. They're currently operating on 14 nanometer FinFET. And they, in 2015, they acquired semiconductor manufacturing assets from IBM and is using them to fast track their 7 nanometer progression. $69 monitor is possible. I should totally do that build guide. 1080p 19 inch widescreen from Vsonic. Ultimate 69 PC. I just spray paint like a blue six and a pink nine on the side of it. Terrible. All right. Speaking of terrible Indiegogo campaign. Oh, okay. That's probably it. Okay. Oh, okay. You're welcome. All I did was click a link. Okay. All right. Oh, yeah. I'm trying to get one of these. Oh, really? Yeah. Vi Live, the smart shorts that boost your manhood. Well, we have actually covered something very similar to this on the WAN show before. That one was an insertion device that was for female Kegel exercises. Well, pelvic floor exercises for males are pretty much the same thing. I don't know if they're still called Kegels. I think they are. But basically, yes, you squeeze, you know? You squeeze there. Yeah. And they're trying to gamify it to improve sexual performance and sexual health for men. And you can back this if you want to have one of these. Blood flow to the region is just good for your overall health, even if it's not for sexual reasons, just to clarify. Yeah. I wonder if it makes me look like this guy. So it comes with an instructional app, a wireless tracker and sensor embedded shorts. These shorts may actually improve your sex life, says the Huffington Post. These smart shorts will make your soda bottle explode, says The Verge. Great. Someone was having fun writing those quotes. So there you go. Anytime, anywhere, Vi Live V helps you monitor your pelvic fitness. This part of their video when he's driving the beaver is hilarious. I just have to say that they have a whole video and he's driving. He has this beamer and the lights keep on doing this like super suggestive thing. It's really funny. All right. So there you go. I don't know what a review of that will look like or if it'll how safe for audience members under 13 it'll be. But it can't be any worse than the how to hide your porn video. So I green lighted that. I guess I'm green lighting this. Hide your porn video was literally your idea. I think so. But it was like back to like the NCIX days. Very long time ago. But I think it was your idea. You know what? For all the hate on that video. OK, we were talking about how I really like True Crypt back in the day. And then you brought up the idea of actually. For all the hate on that video, it's the second hit for how to hide your how to hide your porn on Google. And has over a million views now. It has been like the and like the like to dislike bar used to be horrible. Yeah. And now it's bad, but it's not nearly as horrible. I just almost reported our video. That's not my don't pull it. Colton. No, I meant to. I meant to look at the statistics. Yeah, look at that. Like it gets jumps in views. That must be where it hit that search ranking. OK, that's probably it. I wonder if it coincides with like seven years of time have been spent watching you basically fool around suggestively on camera. Seven years of human life. People really like porn. And on that note, thank you very much for tuning into this week's WAN show. We will see you guys again next week. Same bat time, same bat channel. Have fun. What a show. Have fun. Yeah. But you could do them in the morning. Right. But I never trust myself. And I don't know when I'm actually going to be done. So like if it's oh, I go to bed at six and then it's three hours before work. Yeah. So theoretically, if I just don't do this tonight and I do it in the morning, it's all good. But what if it takes more than three hours? Exactly. You can stay up all night. You can't stay up all morning. Yeah.