 Okay, it is Wanshow time again. It has been a very challenging three weeks, so I was talking to I don't know, I was talking to a couple of people about it today because it was such an astonishing realization for me that I just had to share it with everybody. In the last three weeks, I have spent only six out of 15 days working on our daily content. Wow. Five days I was out for Tech Showdown. Yeah. Three days I've been basically out for ROG Rig Reboot. Yep. And then one day I was out for Ultra Wide Festival. So you throw in a few Wanshows. Yeah. And I have actually had almost no time to work on our normal content. So on the one hand, it's great that we're getting any of it done. So that's cool. But on the other hand, I haven't actually gotten to goof around with tech in so long. Okay, the kinds of projects that I have on the go right now. I have a Threadripper IHS transplant to do. So I want to put the Vanity Linus Tech Tips one on a working chip. Nice, yeah. Okay. So yeah, it's nice if I can ever do it. I want to break out the old chiller. Oh, I thought you were saying like these are things you're progressing on. And go, no, I'm making no progress. I want to go sub zero. I want to do the final office update for the window TV. Okay, yeah. You know what, I should bring up Trello. I should have a look at all the other like crazy stuff that I'm supposed to be doing. See, I don't get to play with that kind of technology anymore. But like, you need to change your handle, man. But Xiaomi Mi Mix 2. Yeah, gotta get my review done to that. Like, look at the screen on this thing. It's upside down. Well, yeah. Wow. But look at that. The whole thing. Whole thing's a screen. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. And that's cool. Software is terrible. Software is terrible. Software needs some work. I don't get to play with that kind of tech. But Boiler, I'm not gonna say your whole handle, he need to figure out someone else, dude, has been like contributing to the sales open source, which is super cool. And some cool things have happened this week. We had that meeting thing, which I'm sure didn't help at all with your being able to work on content stuff. But float plane, float plane progress, right? Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully, dude, if you're out there, take the job. Come work with us. Yeah, that would be great. We need skilled developers. Yeah. Yeah. Other cool stuff. Most insane SSD setup. So six 960 Pros running in raid zero on Threadripper. Nice. Like, actually, that one progress is being made because Ivan's working on it. But anyway, the point is, I think the most insane SSD setup is actually when that guy tied together like 50 of them like six years ago. So I'm just saying. I'm just saying like you might have used newer technology. But like, you said SSD setup in general. So like you're just saying. Anyways, for news this week, we have a bunch of different stuff. One NCIX tech tips is like gone. It's in limbo. That's for sure. For now. Maybe coming back. Google announces the pixel two and pixel two XL. And Intel is renaming their Kaby Lake Pentiums. It's super dumb. It's like the dumbest thing ever. Yeah. And oh, right. We'll roll the intro now. It's interesting because we have a few pieces of Intel news in here, which has not been super common for a while because all been AMD news, but it's like not good stuff. Um, you know, I actually probably want to talk about that. Because yeah, actually, you know what? Yeah, I do have some I do have some stuff to say about that. Are you going to talk about this, by the way? Yeah, I will. Okay. Um, I Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sorry, Max. I'll do that for you. I totally forgot. I remote it into my computer and then I just didn't do it. Nope. My computer uses a real password. Yeah, I like everything else. Sorry, guys. Hold on a second. Okay, I just saved a V three. And you're good. Okay. All right. So you know what? Why don't we Why don't we tackle? Let's do the dumb Intel news first. And then let's do the dumb cool dumb reaction to Intel news. Because like, honestly, I was pretty I was pretty frustrated with the community's reaction to certain aspects of coffee lake and the launch and review of it. Okay. Because I haven't looked into this. It was it was pretty dumb. So num lock 21 posted on the forum. The original article here is from tech power up. And get it in Twitch chat right now. Rats. Hold on. Um, um, um, um, um, um, Intel to rebrand Pentium as Pentium gold. Oh, oh, oh, yes. Ah, yes. Wait, why? Okay, so it's all part of like an overarching stupid thing. Hold on, I'm just gonna turn the apertures more more open a bit. What I'm so confused. Is this only for the hot? Oh, sorry, one second, guys. This is kind of silly. Okay, we just need so low power, low power Gemini Lake SoCs will bear the Pentium silver brand. Besides Celeron. Is there Pentium bronze? I don't see a Pentium bronze. So there's Pentium silver and Pentium gold. So basically, as far as I can tell, Intel hired some kind of new, like, senior VP of branding or marketing or like, product naming or whatever that position is, where you actually make the decision about what to call the product. And they did the unthinkable. They managed to make Intel's naming scheme worse. It's impressive, you know, like to give them props. Yeah, they found away because they had the will they had Intel were determined Intel hasn't named for a consumer. Okay, like I'm not talking about, you know, Xeon or Itanium. Itanium sounds pretty cool. Itanium is a codename. Intel's codenames are so good. Yeah, a lot of the time, sometimes they're dumb. Skull trail. That was so cool. Boom trail. Oh my god. I mean, even stuff like Alpine Ridge. Yeah, like, that's pretty cool. Be like, yeah, I want like an Intel Alpine Ridge. Hell yeah. That's a Thunderbolt controller, by the way, it ended up. I mean, even Thunderbolt has a cool name. But on the CPU side, okay, so bad go way back in the day. It was like the 286 and the 386 and 486 and all that made sense. I know their numbers, but people remember that you got your generation and you got your your instruction set. Okay. x86 pretty straightforward. Cool. Then they got to five and they were like, no, let's not do 586. Let's go Pentium. And you know what? Not bad. Maybe part of it is that Pentium has basically existed since I've like had a computer. Well, no, actually, that's not true. We had a 386 that we then upgraded to a 486. I can understand that change, though. You're going from slightly less ultra hardcore. Yeah, you're going you're you're and then you and then you go generations of Pentium. Okay. And then Celeron. I was like, yeah, sure. Okay, Celeron. Why not? Then came core. What? If it was actually how many cores they had, then sure. Yeah. So if a core two was a dual core, yeah. But yeah, but then you're like you're backed into a corner because what are you going to call that? What are you going to call the next generation? You would have to call it the core two two. Do you remember core two quad though? Yes, core two duo core two quad. So you would have to say, I mean, you still have to do it. You have to say, yeah, I've got an Intel core two duo dual core CP. Bad. No. And then you got these in decipherable numbers at the end of them. And in Intel's defense, there is a legend on their site for how to decipher them. But you know, many of the numbers like never ended up getting incremented at all. So they might as well just not had them. And Intel plants out their product roadmap so far in advance. Like, do they really need to leave, you know, like a 50 there just in case they need to use it? Like they never do it. So anyway, anyway, so we've been stuck with core core i3 core i5 core i7 for a long time. And then at least core i9 made sense in the sense that it was a continuation of something that's been established over the last 10 years. If you want to show off how ridiculous this is, just show our Intel naming videos on tech quickie. Yeah, I think it's got like 6 million views. Like what is what is core i7? Videos? Yeah, hold on here. We'll bring this up. 7 million like it keeps on trucking this one. And then core i3 core i5 and core i7 as fast as possible. Yeah, 7 million freaking views. What is the core i9? That's got a million since three months ago, like people like I clearly understand it a little better now than they used to. But at least core i9 had the advantage of continuity. And I saw people are shopping for it as much. It's too expensive. And the other issue too, though, is that they did kind of screw it up because if core i9 had simply been high end desktop, yeah, then sure, but they've got core i7s and core i5s on the same platform. And oh man 7740k or X is it an X I can't even remember, but whatever the like the Kaby Lake chips on x 299. They were super dumb when x 299 launched. Now they're like super, super mega ultra dumb. Because now that coffee lake has launched 7740x, you would only be buying one of those if you were just a complete idiot. Or you were a professional overclocker looking for like per core records or something because coffee lake is overclocking pretty well five gigahertz it looks pretty attainable. And not just for like people who are sorting through trays of CPUs. So that's pretty cool. Anyway, coming back to Pentium. So they brought back the Pentium brand after having gotten rid of it for many years, and they assigned it to their cheapo products. And I was kind of like, like that feels a little bit like, it's kind of sad. Yeah, it's like reusing what used to be like, top of the line, like cream of the cream, and like going for like a nostalgia sale to someone who, who's like, who's like, like going to be like, yeah, it's like a little bit of a sale to someone who, like, I guess in the sense it's like, it's, if it's competitive with Intel's like old CPUs, like, you'd have to be running something old enough to be a Pentium for it to be an upgrade. Right. Maybe that was the rationale. I don't know. Like at least they didn't, at least they didn't pull an AMD where they brought back the FX branding for like a super, super mainstream product. Because remember, guys, FX used to be $1,000. Yeah. Period. You didn't buy an FX for less than $1,000. That was it, it was the cream of the cream. And then they brought back FX as like, super ultra mega rebranded stuff we had. Yeah. It sounds cool, so it might sell some stuff. Yeah, exactly. So anyway, back to gold. As far as I can tell, Intel brought in some kind of rebranding executive who renamed all these Xeons according to this bronze, silver, gold, platinum naming scheme. And it makes no sense at all. I'd love to see internal numbers to see if anything changed when they did that. No, of course not. Oh, I know. But like, I would like to be able to represent my argument with facts. And it's so confusing. Because again, Intel's server products, the product names were a little confusing. Like a 2687W. But you need such specific things. It doesn't really matter if it's confusing. You're gonna arc them all anyway. And if you know what a W is, a W is like a high power workstation chip, then you'd know. It's not gonna have the same max core count as the ones that are designed for tons of virtualization or whatever else. And it's gonna have higher boost clocks. It's probably got a higher TDP. You could kind of piece it together if you were somewhat familiar with the lineup. Now, a gold could be a high performance skew that fits in this socket or that one, or this dual platform one. It has to do with the raw performance, but the features get left behind. And so now we're just gonna just tack gold onto stuff. It's just frustrating. So the name change comes with a refreshed case badge and a slightly modified box design. And it'll be effective November 2nd, 2017. So basically gold, which is, I don't wanna say always tacky, but- It's pretty much always tacky. Usually tacky. Unless it's a rank in a competitive video game, it's tacky. Well, now hold on. Gold and black can look pretty good. I mean as like a product naming thing. Oh, oh yeah, that. No, like how dead is that? Like when's the last time anyone did like bronze, silver, gold? You can use gold tastefully. It just has to be used properly. Like remember when we were doing the support tiers on the forum, which incidentally are bronze, silver, and gold. We were talking about it and I was just like, you know what? I just don't have time to think about this. Let's just do bronze, silver, and gold. But like- But Intel, what's your excuse? I think ours is also pretty easy. There isn't any confusing like, it doesn't actually follow the features. It only follows raw performance. Like no, there's really not much else you get. You get a different colored badge and you get access to a better forum. Thank you for your contribution. That's ultimately what it is. So- Not a better forum. Everything happens in the bronze forum. Spoiler alert. There's a counting to 10,000 thread in the bronze forum and the silver and gold forums are pretty much cobwebs. Hey, do you guys want to, do you guys want to get some really cool insight into the way that YouTube does or doesn't deliver video notifications to subscribers? This is pretty cool. So hold on. I'm actually gonna load up another tab here to give you guys some context for this. This is pretty cool. And I have some good Intel news in a moment here, but here, let's go ahead. Let's bring up some analytics for this bad boy. Surprisingly, a lot of people said no. About what? Wanting to see this. Really? There was definitely quite a few people that said yes as well, but- Well, whatever. It's cool. You'll like it. It's probably true. So here's the dashboard for one of our recent releases. So you can have a look at what a video might typically do in the first hour. So this is our Core i7-8700K review, sitting at 690,000 views. And in the first hour, it did about 84,000 followed by 72,000. This is a weird launch time. So this decay curve looks a little bit different than it normally would, but it's also not totally atypical. All right. So in the last 60 minutes, there goes a fly, it did about 3,400 views. Oh, you guys can't see that. Whatever. You take my word for it. 3,400 views or so. Okay. So YouTube's algorithm is so, I don't wanna use the word smart, but what I'll say is it is so aggressive about targeting content that it thinks might be me trying to use my subscriber base as a way to communicate with the people that watch Linus Tech Tips. It's so sensitive to that, that check this out. The WAN show and stream announcement video, I specifically uploaded at the same-ish time every week with the same title every week. And YouTube's algorithm has got this thing crushed to the point where in the first hour, it is probably gonna do like, let's see, we're only doing about 140 views. Like a seventh of an hour, I think. Yeah. Something along those lines. It has only managed to do about 3,600 views in the last 20 minutes or so. Pretty crazy, hey? That's nuts. So you see, okay, this is an extreme example. And this is something where, you know what? Quite honestly, I could name it something else. And that would help more people get notifications for it. But intentionally, I'm feeding into the algorithm here, allowing the algorithm to take the people who aren't interested in WAN show and just not pump them a notification. Like I'm okay with that because we just do it because we've always done it. And if it boosts the live viewers a little bit, then like, great, they know we're live, that's cool. For the people that do rely on that notification, if we don't put it up, some people do miss the WAN show. But what this is is- I think there's also a fair amount of this, to be clear. Gladmax1 in the chat said, I see the YouTube video, I ignore it, and I hit the Twitch bookmark. So that might be part of why it gets buried. Either way, but that's one of the reasons that we continue to do it, just in case people are lying on it. But this is an extreme example of the way that YouTube does manipulate the way that it propagates new video information to someone who is subscribed. And it's one of those things that's frustrating. It's one of the reasons that we're starting Floatplane, and I was just kind of inspired to talk about it for some reason, I don't remember why anymore, but we can move on to our next topic. All right. So I was a little, I was actually a little disappointed in our viewers' reaction to the Coffee Lake video. There was an astonishing amount of ignorance in some of the comments with respect to how we would have manipulated what benchmarks we used. And the problem is that the arguments just don't even make any sense. Someone was upset that we didn't include the Ryzen 7 1800X, as though we were trying to conceal AMD's superiority, and we didn't want AMD to seem like a better value. The 1800X is not a very good value. The best value Ryzen 7 is the 1700. This 1800X is what, like 200 megahertz higher than the 1700X? Why, how would that hurt AMD's value prop to throw in a processor that costs $100 more than its clock, 200 megahertz higher? How are we hurting AMD's appearance of value by choosing one of their chips that is a better value? Now, one thing that we didn't discuss in our video, and honestly, the funny thing is this barely even came up. People are so fixated on comparisons that they don't like or and or don't understand or whatever else that they didn't even notice this one. What we should have discussed was some of the differences in platform cost, like the fact that a Z350 board is cheaper than a Z370 board. But just the number of people that are like, when we release a video that's positive about Intel, they're like, wow, you guys sure changed your tune so fast about being sponsored by them. No, we changed our tune because they released a different product that's different than the one we said we didn't like. It's called looking at what's in front of you and evaluating it instead of just going in, having already decided the answer. Yeah. Yeah, is it as bad as the, oh my god, they didn't benchmark with, wow, why can't I think of the name of it right now? The future of OpenGL, Vulkan. Yeah, hard to say, hard to say. But anyway, yeah, apparently we're doing damage control over Intel forcing customers to buy a new motherboard on the same socket. I wonder how much Intel paid him for this. Nothing. Nice, nice. So the way that that works. Grade A 10 out of 10 comment. And unfortunately, I can't get anyone to go on the record about it, so I can't say who my source is, but what happened was Intel designed their platform for two generations of CPUs the same way they have for the last 10 years. That's how it went, that's how it goes down. You cannot like it and that's totally cool and I totally get it. But they designed it for two generations. They did not design it for a six core processor and there were physical things that were redesigned. Could Intel have made it work? Off the record, I've got indications that they might have been able to. In fact, probably could have. But would it have been a janky solution that might not have had the reliability that Intel's known for? In all likelihood, yes. So was this partially a marketing decision? Possibly. Personally, I'm pretty annoyed that a Z370, for example, cannot hold a Skylake or a Kaby Lake chip. But I totally understand why Intel wouldn't wanna put their stellar reputation for reliability on the line by allowing you to put a new Coffee Lake chip in your Z270 board without having fully validated it. And here's another thing you guys have to understand. Just because Intel has a spec and just because like it should work doesn't mean that every motherboard manufacturer out there built properly to the spec. It doesn't mean that every skew will work. And when you're someone like Intel, if you say it's gonna work, it is supposed to work. Yeah, and like building to spec, a lot of the times you make product differentiation by finding ways to not build to spec. You end up making a lot more people mad by trying to accommodate them sometimes than you do by just going, nope, forget it. It doesn't work. Because something that you guys are probably missing here, you look at the motivation, you go, well, it's probably money grabbing. So let's look at something like Intel Optane, which they opted. Which they opted to support on only Z270, was it, if I recall correctly? Optane on- It's been a while since I've been on WAN. That was painful. Yeah, I'm sorry. Oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Optane, I'm looking to upgrade, upgrade user memory, essentially in M.2. I want to know if- It's like I lost my pun tolerance. Okay, I think it is only 200 series. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Hold on, there's a thing on Puget, Optane. Yeah, okay, cool. So it's only supported on Z270. So the reason for that, it's just an M.2 stick. That's all it is. It's an SSD using the M.2 standard. So feasibly, Intel could have supported it on Z170. And a lot of people might look at this and go, well, their motivation must be money grubbing. They just want me to run out and buy a new motherboard. Do you really think anyone at Intel is stupid enough to think that anybody's gonna go buy a new motherboard for Optane? If you had enough money to buy a new motherboard, you would buy a boot SSD, buy a dedicated SSD. Optane is a value solution. It's not money grubbing. If they were money grubbing, they would shoehorn in the support, not validate it fully, and just let people buy it. And if it works, it works. And if it doesn't, it doesn't. Like Ubisoft. Because the reason that they decided not to support it on Z170, and this is, I'm not gonna quote my source. This was kind of off the record. I'm actually not even sure if I should be talking about it, was that depending on the implementation, and you gotta remember, this isn't just like enthusiasts' gaming boards or whatever. This is across the like Dells and Acer's and Lenovo's of the world. The implementation on Z170 of M.2 might not have been up to snuff, and they can't rely on these guys to roll out UEFI BIOS updates to build in the support, because that would be required. So it would end up being a very confusing message. If they wanted to sell more units, they would want a wider install base of supported products. Duh. Don't you think? So anyway, I'm not necessarily happy about everything they did here, but you also have to understand that it's not always as simple as like, they're bad people and they just want your money. They do just want your money. They're a business. But also understand, so does AMD, so does Nvidia. None of them are your friends. Right, that was gonna bring us really well into the whole off-spec thing. Why are people getting different Coffee Lake performance results? So this was inspired by a tweet from Jays2cents and was originally posted on the forum by, oh, dang it, there's no, there's no who posted it on the forum thing, James! Was originally posted on the forum by, oh man, oh, oh, this was just a discussion in our own thread. Okay, well fine, fine, James. But here's Jays, here's Jays tweet. Yep, I shared that in Twitch chat too. Cool. So you can see that our number and Jays number are pretty close. Yep. But then Paul's is a chunk down and then Kyle's is even further down from that. And there's a lot of differentiation. This is a significant difference. Oh yeah. Like with us and Jay sitting around the 1500, 50 range and Paul and Kyle being in the 1400s and 1200s. So one of the theories, and this was. Kyle's chip compared to Jay's chip is almost a 300 point difference. Yeah, and that is a massive difference in Cinebench. That's like, you know, one of your cores isn't working level of difference in Cinebench. So I can't believe he goes by that much. I can't believe he goes by Gabe N. Jr. on the forum. But anyway, Anthony from our team was talking about how Gamers Nexus had found that their Gigabyte board was giving them less voltage than specified. And he was wondering if maybe ASUS did the same thing in the opposite direction to give us better results. So it seems like there's a known issue that has to do with the boards not being fully tuned for Coffee Lake yet where the voltage is being applied might be affecting performance. So we actually have a review coming on the MSI Vortex G25 where our original script that I reviewed with Alex a couple of days ago had this comment on how when we stress tested it, it would run at 4. whatever gigahertz turbo for like, I don't know, three seconds. And then it would drop to like 3.2. Whoa. So we got a new BIOS fixed. So it looks like this launch might've been a little rushed. Now, unfortunately, we weren't able to comment on that in our Coffee Lake review because as a general rule, we have made a habit of using only one particular brand of motherboard for our launch reviews because we have found that it means we're less likely to end up with a 1200 point Cinebench score when we were supposed to have 1550. Oh, interesting. It's like that's paid off for us so far. But anyway, Anthony also said that one of his hunches is VRM throttling thanks to the lower specified voltages. And that could be affecting their CPU scores. And it seemed like that would make perfect sense for something like what happened with that pre-built machine. Yep. Anyway, to be clear, it's not like I'm crapping on MSI or Gigabyte or ASRock or ASUS even. It's not like they don't make mistakes. They do. They all do. But what it looks like might've happened with this launch is that it got, it might've been kinda rushed. If you're not making mistakes, you're not trying hard enough. Yeah, you're not going fast and frantically enough. Yeah. Type faster! Yeah. So anyway, it looks like that has a fair bit to do with people's Coffee Lake results being kind of all over the place. Gah! Even some of ours were. We have some gaming results where Coffee Lake, in spite of its faster clock speed and nearly identical architecture and more cache, is getting beat by the 7700K in gaming. And people are like, this is impossible. These numbers are fake news. It's like, okay, first of all, you guys can't even decide what agenda I'm fighting for. Because if I was on Intel's side, I sure as heck wouldn't be talking about how the new chip doesn't perform as well as build one. You're fast and loose. Just whoever can hand over the check fast enough. Yeah, like, boom, boom, boom. From minute to minute. Yeah, yeah. You know, when the mail. It's Friday. When the mail delivery arrives. I need new check. I could be changing sides like that. If your CPU box doesn't have a few hundreds in it, you ain't getting a good review. That's right. Figure it out. Actually, please don't do that. So anyway, it looks like that could be to do with something like a Windows scheduling issue, which was one of the things that affected Ryzen 7 performance back when it launched. I mean, am I saying that it's for sure that? No, but 12 threads is more to handle than eight, and we already know from the past that hyper-threading can affect gaming performance negatively. So that might be one of the reasons that, and we didn't get an 8600K. I almost wanna do a separate review of it because they are kneecapping the i5, like, more every generation. Yeah. The 8600K is a significantly slower chip unless you overclock. It used to be what everyone purchased. Yeah, and Intel has gradually tried to... Move people to i7. They've tried to brand the i7 better, and apparently that's not enough, so they are... Well, I bet you that's part of the existence of i9. It's trying to be like, i7 isn't the most expensive one. That's an interesting thought. I never thought about it that way. Actually, I had never thought about this before either, but when you go to the store, the shampoo bottle example, you know the like, this is the way too expensive one, this is the way too cheap one. I'm gonna buy the one in the middle, or if you take four of them, I'm gonna buy the third one because it's like, more value than really expensive one, but I'm still getting a nice premium thing. Maybe that's some of the thought process there. All right, so, oh, you know what? By the way, people in the chat still doing the yes and no meme. That's impressive. I know, we haven't even done it. We should do a shirt. Yeah, but now it's gonna be too late. I know, it's like... 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I don't make the rules. I don't make the rules. Man, that's gonna be really weird. Pella, Tyler, Max, Anthony, Alex, James. Ivan's not on here. Is Jake on here even? Oh yeah, Jake's on here. Jake's on here. I'm sure there's someone else we're missing, actually. Jake's sort of an old member now. I know, right? He was before Pella. Yeah. He once rode from Victoria to San Francisco. I didn't even know that was Pella. Pella? Yeah. Yeah, like, dude, that's crazy. I also didn't know he had never used a Windows computer before he started working here. I wish he wasn't physically broken because I'd like to go swimming with him. Holy crap. But he's physically broken right now. Oh. He'll fix it. How's he broken right now? Just like shoulder and knee issues and stuff. Oh, bummer. Probably from doing stuff like biking from Victoria to San Francisco. Right, yeah, okay. In like a really short period of time. I don't remember what it is, but like he got there really fast and then went back. Like it's actually kind of amazing. Dude's super cool. All right, so synergy allows you to solve the problem of having two keyboards and two mice. It allows you to solve lots of problems even, like being able to throw your laptop on your desk and being able to just like use your desktop peripherals and like do stuff on your laptop just bam like that. So I had a setup for a while where I was using my laptop a lot more than I am now. Yeah. And I got an arm. That was actually just a monitor arm and then you get a plate on it. That's a laptop plate. Cool, yeah. And then you over torque the tension and all that kind of stuff, whatever, it's fine. And then you put the laptop on there. So I could go away and use a laptop, bring it home, put it on the arm, and then just mouse and keyboard on my whole setup, including the laptop, which is super nice because you can drag and drop files with it. You can even move stuff over really easily. You can set up hot keys. You can set up hot keys to move your mouse and keyboard over. It's wonderful. So it works across platforms. So it's Linux, Mac, and Windows, and they offer a basic and pro option with one-time payment. So head over to the link in the video description and or right there, seamless.com slash Synergy slash, that says Linus 31, but I think the one I'm supposed to give you today is Linus 32. And say 50% on Synergy today. It's pretty huge. It's a big discount. Someone in here said dual PC streaming works great. Yeah, this would be pretty helpful for it. Yeah, actually that's an interesting thought. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea. One of the examples I always use is, what was it? Right, like coders. Yeah. Where you have like a development machine and then you also have like a gaming box next to it or whatever else. Yeah. All right. We've got some more topics for you guys now. So Logitech was upset that I called their key cap markings stickers in the, what was it, the G, hold on, G whatever. I can't keep track of Logitech's naming scheme. It was their wireless mechanical keyboard though. G6 something. It was G6 something. I don't like their naming schemes. Logitech G6 13. Okay. I can't tell from that what it is. Look, a G602 is a mouse. Yeah, I can't, yeah. I don't like it. So I don't know. I don't know what to say. I like, I know it's not as cool because G for gaming, whatever, but I would like it if it was like H, headphones, M, mouse, K, keyboard. Right, so basically Corsair. I guess. So maybe that's why they can't do it. Wait, does Corsair even still do that? Yeah, like this is an M65 or whatever. Yeah, yeah, I think so. And they have like their HS, which is headset, like HS100 if you go back. Corsair started moving away from it though. They've gone with like Void Pro. Yeah, like what the heck is that? I know what it is. I know what it is. Like if I was a consumer who wasn't super into this stuff, what is it? Anyway, so they were upset and I told them I would address it on the WAN show because we called them stickers. And okay, so the keycaps are textured ABS plastic that are printed and treated with a UV coating. This is a standard process. They are not stickers. What we were complaining about was that Dualshot would be better because it's a lot more durable and quite frankly, it can be UV coated all you want and it can be treated and whatever. The UV coating helps. It is still a sticker. It's a good sticker. But it is a thing that is stuck on top. Okay, yeah. Of a keycap. I was gonna be like, it's not a sticker though. It's not a sticker. So what I wanna say is look, I'm sorry. It was unfair to call it a sticker. It's not a sticker. No. But it isn't Dualshot. And as far as I'm concerned, a $150 keyboard has Dualshot keycaps. So the wording was a little over-inflammatory but the point stays the same. Yes. Yeah. And their defense is that if your name is Logitech, you make a lot of different keyboards for the entire world in many different layouts and Dualshot keycaps might not be feasible across some of these more niche layouts and or regions and you'll generate complaints if some of them are Dualshot and some of them are not. Totally get it. Still don't care. A $150 keyboard should have Dualshot keycaps. And that sucks and that's a really annoying manufacturing thing and all that kind of stuff and I hear that but I would rather spend my $150 on a keyboard where I'm getting Dualshot keycaps. It's 150 US dollars. That's a lot of money. So it's like a 200 Canadian dollar keyboard. That's a really expensive keyboard. And it's wireless or whatever and that's great but. I actually don't care. It's a keyboard. I would be pretty not stoked about. Do you care about wireless keyboards? I like RGB backlighting on my keyboards believe it or not. So no then. So no. Because battery life. For now, yeah. Yeah. Apparently if they had made it RGB backlit, the battery life would be like a day instead of six months or whatever. Yeah. I'm not surprised. See and like I just, having less cables on your desk is nice but one of the easiest things to cable manage on your desk is your keyboard. Yeah. Especially in terms of permanent cable. Yes and no actually. Because it goes right into your monitor stand. So a lot of time you have to like cross. Actually I'm gonna disagree with you there. I think the keyboard is one of the harder things. Some monitor stands have cable management slots. Some of them do. Not all. Very few. That's true. Yes. Like monitor makers have gotta be some of the most oblivious out there when it comes to like building functionality into their product. Yeah. So. Yeah. But like I guess for my desk it's pretty easy. Because I have my mixer right there. So I just pinch those cable runs in between the mixer and the monitor stand. Yep. See that makes sense. And they all just hold themselves naturally. That makes sense. But like a lot of monitors too. Not everyone will have that. Have like you know legs that come out like this right? That can be annoying. But okay. You have to like go around it. The ones I'm thinking of, their feet are up and they taper down like this. You can put the cable right in there. Okay. Alright. So that works. There's, it's not that difficult to manage. And I would rather like, I understand that the battery life is gonna be huge. I would rather just never worry about it. Personally. So Doc Swag posted on the forum. The Pixel 2 and the Pixel 2 XL. Dun dun. And this is a great little spec sheet. Wow. Fantastic. So basically better camera than before. Yep. Spec wise, it's a modern phone. Yep. So it's exactly what you would expect pretty much. Four gigs RAM, 64 slash 128 gig storage. It's got pretty much the same battery life as the previous Pixel, or pretty much the same battery capacity as the previous Pixels, give or take. DCI-P3 screens. That's pretty cool. Same resolutions as before, except the XL, it has a different aspect ratio. But but but but but but but but still MLM. Same RAM. Okay. No headphone jack. Is this a deal killer for you? No. Really? I don't listen to. How interesting. Music on my, like it's, it's not a positive. I disagree with it. I don't like it. It wouldn't deal kill the phone for me. If that makes sense. Okay. I don't listen to music on my headphones for my phone that often. Okay. Cause I know you're a Pixel fan. Yeah. And it's water resistant now, which I know was one of the big things for you. That's a huge deal. I'm wondering about this. I'm hoping they fixed this. It's cloth. Oh, the the the the earpiece grill. The earpiece grill on the Pixel and Pixel XL, not the Pixel 2 and Pixel XL 2 is cloth. And people go in there and try to clean it and mine's like not looking that great cause it like absorbs gunk over the year ish that I've used it and you can't clean it. Cause if you try to scrape it, you'll rip the cloth. And there's pictures of people that have done it. It's so stupid. There's a lot of like really weird, stupid things that were overlooked that will hopefully have been fixed. One of them is water resistance. You've checked out the colors. Yeah. Like kind of blue, just black or clearly white? The names are weird. I don't know. I kind of like the Panda look. Yeah. Okay. I think it looks all right. I think out of all of the phones, the pixels are kind of boring. If that makes sense. Like they're not sleek and sexy. They called the design iconic. Would you agree with that? No. Oh, well that's not very nice. I don't think it's a bad thing necessarily. I just think it's, it's, it doesn't stand out. It's not iconic. It's the like opposite of iconic and there's glass on the back. So everyone's probably just going to want to skin it anyways. So I don't know. You know, it's funny. A lot of people, a lot of people in the, in the Twitch chat, not upset about no three and a half mil Jack. Cause my, okay. My thing is they have all the adapters. The main times that I use headphones on my phone is when I'm traveling. And it's usually my active noise canceling headphones that have a carrying case that have their cable in the carrying case. Sure. And I can just have the adapter in. Yep. Like it's, I use headphones with my phone so little that it's not a big deal. Okay. All the people who are upset are flipping the math out right now. Oh yeah. Because they are upset. Okay. Okay. Okay. I got it. I got it. And like in my car, I use Bluetooth. You can buy Bluetooth dongles where you plug your like headphones or whatever into it. And then it interfaces with your phone. So you can turn your wired headphones into Bluetooth headphones. Super cheap. They're ridiculously cheap. They're like $5 on Amazon or whatever. They work really well. They hold charge for a really long time. It's, it's not that bad. I don't like it. I don't think it's worth it. I think it's a bad design move. I think it's not worth making the phone thinner at all because the phone doesn't need to be thinner. I think it's very stupid. It's not a deal breaker for me personally. All right. Let's straw pull it, baby. We got people who want to straw pull. Okay. Just everybody stop. Everybody stop talking in the Twitch chat so I can post this. And I can totally understand why people would be upset. Straw pull it, straw pull it, straw pull it. So I'm like, I'm okay. I used to carry my headphones loose in my pocket until I lost so many ear tips and broke a fair number of pairs of headphones. And now I use a carrying case that has a little pocket in it that I keep my stupid lightning adapter in. Which is the same carrying case I carry and now I'll my head earbuds. Now I'll put a type C adapter in there too, I guess. Yeah. Along with an extra ear tip and my non-microphone backup cable. Like I'm clearly working around this but it is a bit of a pain in the butt for me because I'll go and I'll like pull them out and I'll be like, oh right, I'm using that phone. That's a pretty niche use case. I know, I know. And I think you also use headphones with your phone more than most people do. Every single day. Yeah. Every single day, multiple times a day I use headphones with my phone. So niche use case on top of niche use case. Yeah, all right. And it's still not game breaking for you, right? I mean your favorite phone is your iPhone, isn't it? I like the iPhone 8 best right now. Da-dum. Like it sucks, I don't like it. I would really prefer there was a jack there. I do not care about the thickness that you lose by losing the jack. But let's talk about niche people for a minute here. I also still have an iPhone 6 that I specifically have so I can jack in and like, okay, you know that I listen to shows when I sleep. Yeah, yeah. So I specifically still own an iPhone 6 so that I don't have to have an adapter slash I can charge it and headphone at the same time. But didn't you also carry another phone for that earlier? Or was it an iPod or something? Yeah, cause they're off cycle. Cause this one literally runs all night and the other one runs all day. So I charged this one in the morning. So yes, technically I could. So you'd carry an old one anyway. So I usually would be carrying an old phone anyway. That's true. This is true. Not that it moots your point at all. I'm just saying you would have the phone anyways. I would, I would. So 66% of people said that they were mad. Yep. And that's not surprising. And I'm like- You know what is surprising though is that 34% said they weren't mad. Weren't mad. Which isn't surprising if 66% said they were mad. You didn't ask if it was a deal breaker because I would have said mad. But it's not a deal breaker. But it's not a deal breaker. I would prefer to lose the headphone jack but gain water resistance and no longer have a stupid cloth thing there and have front facing speakers, which are super cool. All right. And the squeeze thing, I don't really care. And like a few other things that are nice about the phone that I would trade the headphone jack for. I think it's stupid. I would love to have all of those things and a headphone jack because that makes way more freaking sense. So I am mad. But it's, yeah, it would not deal break the phone for me. So this is kind of crazy. The last. The last netlinked. Dun, dun, dun, dun. So for now, it would appear as though the channel that Luke and I both started our YouTube careers on is in limbo. In limbo. That would be the most kind word to probably use for it. So they haven't uploaded anything since three days ago when a video entitled X399 NVMe RAID support DJI local data mode no more netlinked for now went up. So most of the NCIX Tech Tips team is gone. So that was me at one point and was Luke at one point and is not those people anymore. But was also Wheels, then Julia, Anthony, Riley, Jack. Who else am I thinking of here? Riley, Jack. Am I missing anyone? Was. Oh, I mean, Barrett, Riley's brother. Was Esther like part of it? Esther was part of the team at some point. So all of those people, the people who are gone, all of them. There you go, yeah, that makes sense. In the last episode, he did say that he's gonna be trying to make videos still sometimes. He was saying, hopefully one a week, but was like, do not hold me to that. So we'll see how that comes out. So we'll go ahead and like, I can maybe address some of the comments here. Rip me if LTT were to ever go under. Don't worry, we're not going anywhere. We're good, man. Yeah, we're like super awesome and good. Yeah. So a lot of people seem to be wondering about how this could happen to a channel with lots of subscribers and actually like, okay, viewership. Yeah. Like, you're never gonna do well on like, mesh wifi or whatever, but you know, the core stuff, Netlink is doing 60, a hundred thousand views an episode. That's not bad. That's, that should be sustainable for a team of a couple people. Yeah, actually it should. So people are asking like, what happened? So it seems to have a lot more to do with decision, business decisions being made by the parent company. So I'm not gonna comment on sort of, oh, see, I don't wanna comment on anything that I'm being told in confidence. Like I still know people there. So I know stuff that, that like people don't know. I'll say really vague stuff then, cause I haven't talked to these people. Sure, okay, go for it. You can just look at NCX and how they're doing right now. They're closing stores. People have been departed from the YouTube channel. You can see different, I mean, someone works here now that didn't before that used to work there. Yeah, the writing's sort of on the wall and it seems to be going rather quickly. That's all outside perspective. Haven't had conversations with anyone in the company's stuff. So there you go. It's an end of an era and I've gotta say, it's pretty, it's pretty sad for me actually, cause this was like kind of my baby. Well, like the store that you worked out of and I used to buy all of my, sorry. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so it's, yeah, it's kind of tough because this is something that like I started and put my heart and soul into and became like a part of my personal identity. Like this was what turned me into a YouTuber. And to see it kind of go down like this was really frustrating and sad actually. Cause it was weird at first to no longer be a part of that team, like the team making the NCX Tech Tips videos when you and I did it for so long. And then it's gonna be even weirder having that not exist now. People in Twitch chat are saying that we should buy NCIX. Yes, that would be, that would be, that would be a, wow. How, how, how, how, how does this idea fail? Let me count the ways. Failed so hard. I think buying failing companies is like a sad decision. Yeah, yeah, buying companies that are clearly losing money is like good business. I love so much. You know, you know, people are asking like, you know, LTT is not going anywhere, right? And it is because we don't make decisions like that that Linus Media Group is doing great. Just great actually. Yeah, I agree with that. You know what though? I would love to buy the channel. Someone in chat says hi Ed. Oh. I'd buy it. Oh, that would be, oh, that would be weird. I would buy some of the people that come with it. I'm not gonna name any names, but I wouldn't buy all of them. Besides, no people come with it at this point. Would you rename it and just make it a tech news channel? I think we could just call it like, we could just call it like NX Tech Tips or something like that. We could just like change it a little bit. Yeah, cause it would be really weird keeping the NX Tech Tips. And we could just make it straight tech news. Yeah. Just get rid of every format that wasn't netlinked. Cause I actually, I liked the netlinked format. I would like, I would see a netlink thumbnail. I'm not surprised you like it, but it is good. They changed it a lot from what, like if you look at the early ones, they were trash. Like they changed it a lot. They made it more YouTubey. They made it more upbeat. They made it more fun. And you know, I would see a thumbnail and be like, oh yeah, what's going on with that? And I'd click it and like, you know, four minutes would pass and be like, oh, I just watched the whole video, which doesn't happen a lot for me. I don't watch a lot of YouTube videos. Like I actually like netlinked. So, Sue Ned. Yeah, so I wouldn't mind bringing back netlinked, but I'll tell you now that my relationship with NCIX is not at the best it's been in the last 10 years. And I don't even think for a fair offer, they'd be interested in selling to me. So, I could be wrong. I mean, I could always reach out and be like, yo, you guys still want that channel? I mean, with how YouTube treats subscribers and stuff right now, it might not be too bad to just start another one. I think 1.1 mil has a value because you can build up a big subscriber base back to like getting notifications faster than you can like build a subscriber base from nothing. Yeah, we wouldn't be building a subscriber base from nothing though. I would also just be like, I would be like taking back my baby. No, I know. Yeah, that would be part of it. I know. I think that's probably most of it. That's a big part of it. Yeah, okay. Why don't we just put it that way. I completely understand that. But like honestly, if I had to, and this I can comment on because I haven't really talked to anybody about it, but if I had to guess rather than, you know, do something sensible with it, they're just gonna run it into the ground. If I had to guess, I would say they're just gonna pull what TigerDirect and Newegg did before them. They're gonna having no concept of what made it good. Oh my God, it's still there. They're gonna bring in some random outsiders to try to make videos. They're gonna have no idea why people watch videos. They're gonna try to just sell stuff and it's gonna be a complete disaster. And it's gonna just crater. I'm gonna have to like archive some of these old videos. Yeah. Like this, do you remember doing this? Oh, the ultimate water cooling guide part three where we had to like build the whole thing then tear the whole thing apart and then like build it again or whatever. That was awful. I was like, was that an all night shoot? I think that was like two all night shoots. I don't remember. Cause there was part one, two and three. How many views does it have? Did it at least get a lot of views? It did really good for that time. 778,000, not bad. All right. I think we've got time for maybe one more topic. Okay. It's the Intel show apparently. Cause I'm super, super not stoked on this. Posted by, doesn't say who on the forum, but like war STM. This is just. Intel will no longer be providing per core turbo frequencies making motherboard tuning impossible. So you won't be able to alter your over clocks per core. So extreme tech says when we queried Intel as to why they've decided to no longer officially disclose per core turbo frequencies, they said we're no longer disclosing this level of detail as it is proprietary to Intel. Intel only specifies processor frequencies for base and single core turbo in our processor marketing and technical collateral such as arc and not the multi-core turbo frequencies. We're aligning communications to be consistent. All turbo frequencies are opportunistic given their dependency on system configuration and workload BS. Pretty annoying. Basically what you're doing is you're making us go measure it. Yeah. Why? Why are you wasting our time? This is like, this is like Apple not disclosing the capacity of the batteries that did make someone take it apart. It's like, you're not concealing anything. You're just, you're just inconveniencing everybody. That's not even no reason. It's literally not even reverse engineering. It's just trying something. Like it's not difficult to figure out. I just can't even. It's just extremely annoying for all of the consumers. So yeah, I guess that's all I really had to say about that. I'm sort of surprised. Okay, someone is posting salts in the chat. I was surprised people weren't doing salt tips. Salt tips. Did you see that clip? No. I ate salt and it was a mistake. I didn't think it was going to be that bad. Cause I was talking about like people being salty about something, something. Well, there was like one of those big ones and I was like, Oh no, no, no. It wasn't like fully open or anything, but like for a bit I was actually okay. And I was going to just keep going with the video. And then it like hit me all at once. It was pretty, pretty bad. Cause there's salts that you can eat. Like if you get like salt mixes and stuff, you can have like, what is the really small one? A tablespoon? Yeah. Teaspoon. Yeah. I'm not very up with the whole etiquette thing. Aim's gone. Okay. I'd be a lot more sad if this was a MSN. Yeah. I was sad when this was MSN. There you go. I like had a dream about MSN, like in the last three days, I don't remember exactly when, but man, if it came back suddenly, I would jump on that train so fast. And then they would Skype-ify the crap out of it. And I would bail out so fast. Microsoft Edge is coming to iOS and Android. Cool. I guess I can use that for like accounts that I don't want to have signed in on the other ones. I don't know. I just used other browsers for that. So it's fine. And there's going to be another BlackBerry. There's a huge thing on this that we haven't talked about at all yet. Oh, right. On like any platform. Oh, wow. And we're doing it at the very end of the show when no one's watching. Holy crap. We suck. We're really, it's funny. Cause we're like in the advertising business. And then when we need to advertise our own things, we just suck at it. I know. We're not the greatest marketers. Also known as like, we often just don't market it. Anyway, there's a BlackBerry phone that's coming. Oh, cool. Holy crap. How have we not talked about this? Float plane. Kind of a big deal. Scrapyard Wars is up. People don't even believe me that it's there. Really? Yeah. Okay. Now hold on. I got this. I will show the people. Like we don't have a trailer. We had a trailer for the like cleanup vlogs. We didn't get a trailer for Scrapyard Wars. Well, we're like, we had to delay it a bit. So we're... Oh yeah. It's a two week window. A two week window? Long story. Oh. Long story. Essentially we have to... Yeah. We could still have a trailer. Yeah, but it would be too early. Yeah. So no, that, no, that makes sense. Well, we'd have a trailer for a float plane. Yeah. But we're going to have it... Trust me. It makes sense. We don't want to tease something two weeks in advance. Well, it's not if they get it on float plane. No, no, but... I know. I get it. Yeah. We don't want to create more salt than we have to. I get it. But it's there. What do we got? Tech quickie, bias lighting as fast as possible. That's a good thumbnail. It's pretty. That is actually pretty good. Behind the scenes demolition vlog. Yay. Dun, dun, dun. Oh yeah. We demolished our sets. So that was a thing. This was a simultaneous release. The Core i7-8700K. So you guys have probably seen that. The ultimate mega workstation. Oh, I think that was a simultaneous release as well because of Cooler Master K sponsorship. Trackball mouse review. Yeah, I saw that. Logitech released a new trackball. It's kind of neat. Yeah. I wonder how well it's going to sell. I have no idea. Probably not particularly amazingly. Yeah, but like, I'm sure they're prepared for that. Like, I'm sure it'll all be fine. Scrapyard Wars. Heck yeah. Scrapyard Wars 6, part one. Sponsored by dbrand. Holy crap. Jay's two cents. Holy crap, Dimitri from Hardware Canucks. Holy crap. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. I got like a quick spoiler. I got a quick spoiler. Holy crap. You can hardly recognize Linus in this outfit. How will anyone ever recognize him on the street? He's going incognito. I love the glasses. Wait for it. It's coming. And he's gone. Incognito Linus. He's gone. So yeah, it's 40, 42 minutes of Scrapyard Wars greatness and the episodes are rolling out weekly on I think it's either Saturdays or Sundays. So get signed up for Flowplain if you guys want to be watching Scrapyard Wars right now. Handytech under 100, Stuff for Your Stuff. Oh cool. Another one of those. Yep, we are finally bringing back Handytech. Stuff for Your Stuff. This is a pretty cool product. That is actually the size of this entire computer that contains a GTX 1080. Oh. Yeah. That's really small. That's a 1080 for scale. Yeah, yeah. Is that it? Is that the card right there? This is the 1080 right here. Wow. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Delidding $1,000 CPU. Is it worth the risk? What would you put the risk at? Too hot for $1,000. I mean like percentage wise. Hard to say. Yeah. And last but not least, the full RGB water cooling system. Even the fittings are RGB. This is actually one of the better performing videos like of all time. Oh wow. Delidding did really well too. Yeah. This one too. What does scroll lock do? Killed it on Techquickie. Or killed it on Flowplain. That's cool. So guys, go join the plane. Joe join. The club. It's not gonna be called a club anymore. Nope. We gotta get out of the habit. Don't say join the club. Just get on the plane. Get on the plane. Just get your pilot's license. Just get on the plane, man. So head over there. It is three bucks a month. We cannot promise that that pricing will remain after the launch. When it goes on to the other site. We can mostly promise that it won't. Yeah, it won't. Yeah. So you should probably be on Flowplain before the site launches. And we do not intend to announce when the site will launch because we're big douches. Yeah. We totally could, but we won't. Yep. So get on there. All right, guys. Thanks for tuning into the WAN Show. We will see you again next week. Same bat time, same bat channel. Bye. Okay, do you mind? Yeah. I got it. Also, I haven't even ended the stream yet, but I gotta go finish shooting that thing with you. Okay. I'm also gonna try to find a time for us. Are you still down? Yeah, I'm totally still down. Okay. Because we definitely haven't figured out a time yet. Oh yeah, I'm sure there's some time. I'm sure it'll be fine, yeah. Probably like a 7.30 we can go get some fast food and then head over there. Fresh books, that works for me. Sound good? Yep. Cool. Synergy. Bye, everyone. I'm gonna reset this. We haven't just hung out outside of work in probably over a year. So long. No, no, last time was when you came over and we talked in the living room. And then the time before that was when you came over and we rode out on World's Most Comfortable. Yeah. It was like a year ago. Yeah. Bye, everyone.