 The mic's in kind of a random position, but you know what? Whatever. Guys, you know the funny thing about technical difficulties is that sometimes you're looking for these complicated solutions because we've had so many problems on this show in the past with like capture cards being the wrong settings and like you know, like here, here just like funny stupid stuff like this where outputting over HDMI from a laptop By the way, you know, big thanks to Asus, G750JZ, sponsor of the laptop Laptop of the show, all that good stuff So you output over a laptop over HDMI which in theory is a 1080p 60Hz signal But on our capture card, you don't set a progressive input You set 59.97 interlaced It's just like stuff that, unless you're some kind of savant you can't possibly be expected to know And so we've done enough trial and error with this stuff that when something doesn't work and I go Oh no, my laptop capture's not working Okay, let's try all the hertz and try all the like I'm gonna grab like my Different tables and adapters and laptops Yeah, grab like half a dozen different laptops and like the weird adapters that you made by putting together multiple adapters And then it turns out someone stepped on the blanking cable and pulled it out of the capture card over on the other end which I can't see So that is why we're late I am terribly sorry guys You deserve the very best from us And we were late today We're trying to be better about all that stuff But we are human Or are we? Nope Spoiler alert Spoiler alert And it was revealed later on in the show that actually they were livestock Baaaaa I was gonna do a sheep, now I don't know what to do You could go with cow I don't wanna go with cow Just cause you've been losing weight lately doesn't mean that you don't have to make the cow noise Make the cow noise No Make it No Speaking of paying people to do things and basically owning their souls You guys, we did the most unusual sponsor integration ever for Fractal Design on Fast As Possible That video will be up tonight as long as Taron finishes editing it before he has to go to a wedding over there And let me tell you guys It is something a little bit different And yes indeed, thank you Twitch Chat Sheep is only a word Nothing more than that In fact, if we break it down even further Sheep is nothing but five letters Series of characters Alright, and the WAN show is just a series of topics that are technology and gaming and all that great stuff So we've got a few interesting things this week Number one is hover bikes are evidently an actual thing There is a hover bike, it is going into production You can pre-order one Bwaa Also, the Infinidek could be a more elegant omnidirectional treadmill solution compared to the Virtue X Omni which we have checked out But there are going to be some challenges So we'll talk to you guys more about that after L...oh, I'll let you talk It's all good, either way LG is going to be... Well, they already did update their privacy policy so that essentially you have to share everything or get nothing We'll talk more about that later And Bungie has done the hero move and saved Halo Combat Evolved and Custom Edition and we'll talk about that later They are so cool Yeah, I pretty much love them I want their boots just so that I can lick them Pfft So you don't necessarily have to be in the boots? 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Oh, it definitely touched me Were you emotionally happy? I don't know about the heart It does kind of touch you actually It does touch me Quite intimately And it touches my junk It touches my junk And I'm okay with that because it actually doesn't run that hot Yeah, that's true For a gaming notebook I'm surprisingly okay with It's just like a nice comfortable warmth Yeah Having warm junk is not a bad thing So we both comfortably spoon our notebooks Yeah Well, no, for us to call it spooning we'd have to like kind of turn them around That's going to be really bad for usability I like this with them Yeah, but you know what? If I had a criticism of Asus' latest gaming notebook The reach around is not very easy The reach around doesn't work Reach around is very difficult to manage You need to make it so that the keyboard can pop out and then swivel around Yeah So you can type backwards The funny thing about Asus is they have so many different notebooks that they probably have one like that Like a... The Tai Chi! It's got screens on both sides Yes! Perfect! Okay, there we go Oh, I love it What the hell are we even talking about? I don't know, spooning laptops? Spooning laptops No, we have an actual show to... Can you just stay focused for five minutes? I guess, I mean like... Geez, man! Twitch chat is not working for me So unfortunately I can't chat with you guys Maybe it's because I got signed out for some reason I'm just gonna go ahead and sign that baby back in and then let's kick off our first topic here, you guys Our first topic I believe is hover bikes Hover bikes, let's do that Okay, so you guys, check this out This is unreal We're gonna screen share because we can do that Apparently there's an advertisement Oh, no way Long summer weekends are just around the corner Oh, they have audio Get ready for the spring checkup by your certified service experts No, yeah it is, it's Twitch It's that hardcore, muted, but still doing things We could learn about these... Oh, the ad goes away on its own That's innovative Beautiful So there it is, you guys No skip button here The world's first functional hover bike The Aero X This is such a great... This is such a great tagline The Aero X lets you pretend to hover bike through the forests of Endor Which it legit actually does So this picture is not faked in any way This isn't like the hover skateboard hoax No, that was so depressing With Christopher Lloyd and Tony Hawk And all these people involved And I was just like, what are you guys actually doing? And it was like right before, but not on April Fools Yeah, it wasn't April Fools I was just like, yeah, this is just kind of mean to people Because a lot of people really went for it So I was sad for them So basically, the video here is actually from a prototype back in 2012 And I don't know if we've got audio here I don't know if there's actually audio on this video here I'm just going to check really quick here Yeah, okay, there's no audio on the video But some of the interesting stuff actually happens a little bit later So some of the challenges that they went through were figuring out how to counter the... Like when you're first spinning up the rotors There's a lot of force that can cause the bike to torque one way or the other They had to figure out how to counter that They had to take some cues from quadricopters like the Parrot AR drone With respect to how to track if you're just drifting in the wind The idea though, and this is the craziest thing about it The idea here is that if you ride a motorcycle, you should be able to straight up get on one of these and ride it Which as someone who can ride a motorcycle is pretty exciting So they're going pretty slow in this video, but this is quite an old video Oh yeah, I saw this like years ago Oh man, look at this But what's cool about it is they're giving us some specs about the finished one So they're saying it can go up to 67 kilometers an hour and up to 3.7 meters high Which doesn't sound like a ton 72 kilometers an hour, sorry And up to 3.7 meters high, which doesn't sound that high But think about this for a second, especially the American viewers 3.7 meters is more than a story That's more than the height of the highest ceiling you'd ever find in a house So you could literally be driving around looking into second story windows if something like this was ever street legal Which you probably shouldn't do Yeah, and you probably shouldn't do that And the reason for the 3.7 meter height restriction is actually so that you don't get classified as an aircraft In theory, I guess there's no real reason why it couldn't go higher Someone's going to make that override chip And they're going to die Oh yeah, it's going to be brutal Someone will die and then they're going to set back personal flying vehicles like 10, 20 years Yeah, it's going to be terrible You are wrecking it for us, Paul They have safety stuff too, which I thought was interesting Those anti-flip guide rails that you saw around the side in the video And they're thinking about doing stuff like replacing those or adding on airbags, which I think is really smart That's actually either really smart or just a totally bad idea How do you put an airbag on a motorcycle? I think it's designed more like that motorcycle helmet that's in an airbag Sorry, not motorcycle helmet, but like pedal biking helmet Because it'll register a fall and then... And I think it's going to be around the sides So it could be more like a suit almost even Or a suit, that's not a terrible idea I'm in free fall and it goes like a marshmallow man from Ghostbusters on me And it just like lets itself pop So you have the soft impact and then maybe you fall like a foot, but it's no big deal I don't think you'd want it to let itself pop Because the thing about crumple zones on cars is that they're designed to be weak, but strong enough Because like let's say, okay, so let's think about... Unless they make it foam, if it's an airbag, it's not going to crumple zone Yeah, exactly, so like if it popped, that's kind of like crumple zone logic Yeah, that's why I was thinking So that's probably terrible Okay, depending how you're falling, right? Because if the way that you crash is kind of like... You know the one Stormtrooper or Bike Trooper or whatever they were called? You know why they had those? Because there was an issue manufacturing Stormtrooper armor And so they're like, oh yeah, we'll like redesign them, we'll call them like these troopers This is all hearsay, it's not validated, but that's a rumor I heard So anyway, like the one guy who gets thrown off the bike and goes into the tree And like what I think was one of the most memorable Star Wars bad guy deaths actually The guy who like hits the tree upside down and then falls down So if that was how you like fell off of it, like something disastrous happened You went flying off of it at 72 kilometers an hour You would want it to be solid enough Yeah, my only... To bounce more than like... That's what I was worried about though, is exactly what you just said, is bouncing Because I don't want to bounce, I feel like that would be a terrible thing And you're just smacking something at 72 kilometers an hour and then going BWOM! One way that you could absorb the impact without letting the air out of the device Is you could allow the air to shift around inside the bubble So not like fully inflated? Yeah, so like... Like a little bit of relaxation? Yeah, or if you had like... Or if you had, you know, narrower gaps internally So that the air can't move extremely quickly from one zone to another Or it's like squeezed into another zone but not flow? Yeah, then you could keep it from just bouncing off of trees or whatever else Neither of us are engineers, this seems like a not terrible idea Safety, you know, rangers I thought that was super cool when they came up with a biking helmet that inflates It was just way too expensive if I remember correctly Yeah, it was Yeah, it was really expensive And I don't even know that it was available in North America I don't really think so, it was just like a university project Someone says that's not how airbags work, Linus I know that's not how airbags work We're not talking about airbags And again, we're not safety engineers So don't listen to any of that because none of that will happen We would be safety fun-gineers I think what they were talking about anyways was airbags on the side of the thing I like this idea from FelixR90 A giant laser beam that destroys everything in front of you Perfect! So you don't hit it And you never have to worry about it Because you know what? That's why motorcyclists on the track can crash at a couple hundred kilometers an hour And actually be much less likely to be injured or killed Than someone who crashes on the street going 70-80 kilometers an hour Because there's no obstacles I thought you were going to say because they're giant laser beams And I was like what? No, it's like yeah, the Ducati laser beam-o-bikes No, because what happens is if you watch what happens when a motorcycle is crashed Like it's still bad And you can still get messed up real good But they skid on their gear They slide on the gear Whereas when you hit a lamp post It's horrible Your slide stops Oh yeah, I saw this GIF terrible segue But I saw this GIF of guys skateboarding And the one guy flies off and his skateboard goes across and takes out a few people One of the guys jumps off his skateboard before he gets hit by the other skateboard And they're going really fast So he has to keep himself running but he's going too quick And he dives and he skims right beside this pole And he slides really fast right beside it And if you would have nailed right into it that would have been really bad Did you see the one of the skateboarder who lands on his ass at the bottom of a bike rail And then lands right on the skateboard Yeah, and then just rolls on by and the guy gives him a high five Oh that was awesome We should just turn this whole show into meme I know, we should just cover all the memes Ray William Johnson's not doing equals three anymore I think that there is a definite gap Sorry guys, it's not April Fools so I shouldn't be making jokes like that We are not turning this into equals three No Equals when? We're rebranding the show again And you guys will all hate it again Okay, let's do one more topic before we bring JJ on Just because otherwise I feel like we're not going to get any topics done today Infinideck? Yeah, the Infinideck This you guys, this is actually You know what, I'll let you introduce this topic I'm going to fire up the video here though so that they can check this out while you talk So Omni was called a 360 degree treadmill essentially But it wasn't really It depends on I guess how you want to look at that But I don't really see it as a treadmill because you just kind of slid Yeah With shoes that were designed for sliding It's more like a tread cereal bowl Yeah That you stand in Yeah, this is actually a treadmill that can actually go in 360 degrees Which is very interesting You can see they're walking on crazy angles But that's because the treads are moving in two different directions Which allow that to be able to happen So very interesting It still has tons of the same problems that Omni has And probably even more so in the idea of it not being very easy to store Being gigantic in general Being expensive Being expensive Difficult to manufacture Difficult to manufacture, all that kind of stuff Probably even more so for most of those It has tons of other issues too in terms of latency Getting feedback from the game And it not reacting in time You moving in a weird way and it not reacting in time All this kind of stuff That being said, it's really early on So hopefully that kind of stuff can come later It's going to be expensive I can't see this possibly Because you've got to think It's more advanced than a normal treadmill And treadmills are already not that cheap But then again, exercise equipment seems to be the biggest gigantic scam in the entire world In terms of how much that stuff costs versus how much it costs to manufacture I mean, it's a weight It's literally a hunk of metal The dumbbells that I have at my house are like just It's one solid piece Like it's not one of those really nice ones And even the paint on it is like it obviously dripped on the one side And they all look like that They're like not even that cheap and they're just completely crap But it's just the cheapest ones that they had So I was like whatever I don't need a fancy one It weighs a certain amount and I pick it up and put it down I'm not too worried about it Like biggest scam ever You know, that would be a great business idea So minus many group weights? No, I don't want to do it But if someone went Okay, we're going to make environmentally conscious exercise equipment So basically all it is is like recycled metal and crap And they just mold it into the shape of things that people can lift and put down And they'll just be like look this stuff legit didn't cost us any more than scrap metal costs So you cover the shipping You cover our costs to turn it into this shape And we're good And also some profit But not as much But not that much Yeah, not that much That's not a bad idea I'm sure that would work pretty well actually It's not the world's most horrible idea By Linus Media Group Oh, we never said the hover bike Right, you have to put down 5,000 and the price is going to be 85,000 So you put down 5,000 just to reserve one And they're not expecting them to actually be available until 2017 So this is like some pretty hardcore pre-ordering going on But you know, expecting clients like US Border Patrol or Park Rangers Or they're an off-road vehicle to be the target for this Maybe they're willing Maybe some of them are willing to at least invest in one To find out if it's a good idea and then go from there Apparently someone has named them slick lifts Slick lifts I think slick lifts are more like the kind of thing I would want to wear in my shoes Oh, that's not a bad name Slick lifts And they could be like stylish They could be like fancy colors Because if we've learned anything from Kickstarter It's that people will kickstart the hell out of anything that's a completely normal thing But like different colors Did you see that Kickstarter for brightly colored USB micro cables? No I was just like, really? And someone was like, oh Linus, you should cover this You should request a sample And I'm just like, what could I possibly say He also hates micro USB cables With all the fiery passion that I can conjure in my soul I hate micro USB So a slightly more aesthetically pleasing micro USB cable Is unlikely to light a fire for me Something I also want to bring up about Infinideck If we're going to be bouncing around in topics Is the possible resurgence and comeback of the arcade I brought this up when we first started talking about it Yeah Because if you have like a home Infinideck It's going to be this little tiny thing If you go to a giant arcade It could be Infinideck style infinite room Yeah And it could be like a whole room And that kind of a thing might cost $100,000 So you're not going to be able to afford it in your house Yeah And you might not have space for it like at all But every arcade in the lower mainland here in the Vancouver area is gone now Because you can get so close to that experience at home Whereas this could be a complete revival for that business model Where it's like, look, come in and pay $30 an hour to use whatever you want And with virtual reality and the kinds of I can imagine someone like Oculus having a professional grade option Yeah Versus a consumer grade option So having like really advanced virtual reality With much better sensors, low latency cameras, for motion tracking and all that Built all around into the room Built into a room I mean that's the kind of thing that I would go and I would pay $30 an hour To go and chill for a couple hours That would definitely be something I'd try out Yeah, if they had VR and AR experiences too You could have both styles That's my problem with the Infinideck though Is I really don't think that stationary Okay, outside of markets where like Places like Europe and Japan Where they're legitimately not going to have enough space For an augmented reality gaming experience I think that augmented reality is going to be the one that draws me Much more than VR Like I would rather deal with the inconvenience of a backpack With like a heavy battery in it or something Yeah And a front facing camera that augments what I see And then you're going to get like essentially paintball fields Yes Because one problem with that is if you just kind of cruise If you do it in your house, it's a very limited setup Yes Every map is going to be the same, it's going to get really boring If you do it outside, people are going to look at you like you're absolutely insane And they're probably going to try and talk to you And that's going to break the whole immersion experience So it's going to have to be like a VR field I think there's really Which could be really cool And you know what? It comes back to our tanks and RC tanks and planes idea Where like, oh man People might not even get that reference Actually piloting, you know, like a plane And being able to fire like virtual lasers and crap at other people's planes And like take them down The future is exciting All right, so why don't we bring JJ on? Do you want to get him to join us here? Do do I'm going to just tweet this out Tune in live at Twitch.tv Slash Linus Tech We actually have a watch page on linustechtips.com I just don't know the URL Which is sort of a terrible, terrible thing Nobody does anymore Yeah Okay All right, so Now Bring on our Oh Is that Are you there? Is it working? Hello, sir Can you hear me? I can hear you, sir I can hear you, sir Fantastic All right, so guys give JJ a warm welcome And all that good stuff in the Twitch chat For those of you who don't know who this gentleman is He is the tech guru of ASUS Who knows all the things about all the ASUS I swear, I swear you could ask him any question About an ASUS product, past, present, and probably even future And he would know the answer But that third category he probably couldn't tell you about it, so You are extremely nice, I thank you, I thank you I try my best, I try my best, man But that is a very humbling introduction, so thank you All right, so I think the thing to do here is to Invite people on the Twitter boards to go ahead And we're going to do things a little bit differently this week Rather than just tweeting at LinusTech Any questions you have about ASUS products, particularly Z97 and H97 motherboards We want you to use hashtag And I don't remember what it is anymore And I can I can see that that's going to be a problem for me Okay, so I'm going to invent one right off the bat So it's going to be hashtag WanLive? I thought it was WanShowLive Sure, hashtag WanShowLive Go ahead and include that hashtag with your tweet And we're going to be going through them and finding some good questions for JJ But in the meantime, I'm going to kick things off I'm going to go, okay, look Z97 It's no gigantic secret that Not a whole lot changed on the Intel side of things So why don't you give us like a top three reasons Why maybe users shouldn't necessarily upgrade from Z87 outright But for people upgrading to LGA 1150 Why would they spend an extra couple bucks for Z97 versus Z87? That's a really good question And I think it's kind of a tricky question to answer Because I think both me and you have I'd say like a different approach to most people Because since we see hardware every single generation We kind of might think of it from the bleeding edge Where we're going to upgrade from one platform to the next But a lot of users like you said are necessarily sometimes coming over from a platform from two, three, four, five years ago I mean, we've got people that are still coming over from P45 or X58 or different chipsets But I think for this generation, our goal We always try to look at kind of two different perspectives of development You know, chipset development and then board level development So every generation, I think we try to put in the effort to put in new functions and features That are going to make things interesting and improve for the user's experience So I think three things I'm a Rick fan once again of everything that we did on the auto tuning side for the motherboards I think that the new customization abilities that we have for this generation are pretty nuts As far as the granularity and control that you have for dynamic real-time auto overclocking I'm really digging a lot of the new stuff that we did on the audio implementation Extend the previous designs that we had And then I think kind of just total experience I think most of us when we go about building a system We kind of think of building the system in a lot of different ways Sometimes it's the simplicity of just how smoothly something might work Or how kind of something you didn't realize in terms of just enabling like this generation For us, it's easy to enable XMP You'll see based off of market survey data that 50% of users never enable XMP on a motherboard So just having a physical switch on the motherboard that now a user can just flip into the on position Well to me, it's something that I would never use in terms of having value for We definitely know that there's users out there that would go, wow, that just makes sense And I can just do that and that gives me exactly what I'm using for Because that's what I paid for in terms of the memory that I bought I have a question for you about the physical XMP switch Is that something that the system integrators were asking for as well? No, actually no, we didn't get any of that feedback from the system integrators That was really based purely on the perspective of trying to find a more simplified solution If you remember last generation, we put in that easy one touch UEFI option for the XMP function, right? And so this was just kind of the evolution of that of trying to give you a very easy way to do it Not only within the UEFI but a really easy way of doing it on the physical hardware level So the next implementation will be like a giant red button this big with like a flashing LED behind it Push this, push this if you have memory I think the next option is we're working on like a micro automaton A little guy that will come inside the box and he'll ask you questions Do you need help? And he'll just do it for you, exactly He'll just kind of come on like your own personal golem And then he'll go into your system and he'll just enable everything for you You won't do anything, you just tell him I want to do this and this and this And he'll automatically do it for you Can you create different skins for it? So there can be like the Cortana like digital girl And then there can be like the, remember Mad Mod Mike that Nvidia brand asked for That was like the guy with a huge backpack and like screwdrivers and stuff And then I think like a bonus one for someone who buys all the ASUS components possible So only people who have an ASUS like motherboard, graphics card, like a keyboard, mouse, sound card And then it unlocks like a JJ avatar Yeah That would be pretty awesome You know actually it's funny you talk about that We're going to be hopefully doing in a little bit Sometime this quarter we're going to be releasing these like really cool limited edition Really highly articulated small ROG robots So for like our diehard enthusiasts that really love you know ROG hardware and ASUS hardware They're going to have the opportunity to be able to pick up these really limited edition high detail based figures So you know I think that's all just part of the experience right You know all of us as builders we love dealing with hardware and anything that just makes things interesting And more engaging and adds to the experience is always cool Alright so why don't I start with our first question from someone on the forum that actually Reached out to me very politely and said look I'm sorry I can't tune into the show live But I really want to know the answer to this Why did you guys go for an expansion card versus building Thunderbolt into the motherboards that you thought it made sense for I mean one of the things that you and I have talked about extensively Is the way that ASUS tries to build a motherboard according to how they think that user is going to use it Down to everything from whether to use just you know integrated Intel SATA connectors To implementing a particular brand even of extra SATA connectors So why didn't you guys go for something like the WS it was the one real criticism I had of that board Why didn't you go okay look this is a workstation board it should have Thunderbolt on it right off the bat Yeah no you make a really good point and that was a really hard decision to make You know for us Thunderbolt is still continuing to be kind of an emerging technology that we're seeing get utilized And we're heavily involved you know I myself I actually went to two Thunderbolt plugfests this generation We worked with I think over 160 vendors that are making all kinds of Thunderbolt accessories So we definitely still still value in it I mean compared to any other vendor no other vendor has more Thunderbolt solutions than us And I think it just came down to a question of resource layout consideration and cost You know while there's definitely going to be a segmentation even within that content creation community like you talk about for a WS model That would see value in Thunderbolt the majority of those users as a whole are not going to be utilizing Thunderbolt They will be utilizing your classic interconnects whether they're going to be USB Or whether it's going to be actually even gigabit based connectivity on a local based network So in that situation I think we saw the value of let's still give them that ability to be able to have Thunderbolt right on the boards But not necessarily have to have them to pay the premium because when you do look at the cost the bomb costs of the bill of material costs on Thunderbolt It is probably within the top three most expensive hardware specs to put on a motherboard So it's not like a small add-on cost sometimes there are some stuff that it's a really marginal cost to implement on the board So it's a pretty pretty big increase in terms of impacting the MSRP so the final retail price of the motherboard Plus there is physical space layout considerations So this generation WS actually we did incorporate the same type of isolated audio design that we had started to implement on the ROG series So that kind of implementation balancing all that thing out in terms of space and real estate and everything else out It was just kind of a managed kind of implementation where we said okay You know it probably makes sense but we still have to balance everything out and even little things like you wouldn't keep in mind like the Thunderbolt board still has 1394 So it's our only active Z97 skew that actually has 1394. I did notice that because we still actually have users in that content creation community They've made really big investment for Firewire and actually the usage model still actually a little bit higher than Thunderbolt We probably see that by the end of this year finally eclipsing that Thunderbolt will even be higher than the existing base of 1394 But that 1394 chip takes up space right so if we probably maybe would have taken that out could have probably maybe offset it So it just literally comes down to a balance factor. You know, we'd love to put everything that we get on there But that's kind of the best compromise but the cool thing about it is, you know Thunderbolt across what like 16 skews and all you got to do is just drop in the card right? All right, I can see why you made the compromise now Here's something that I wish everyone would quit compromising on and you can go you can like let's call this like off the record your opinion I will do my best. Looking into the crystal ball. When are we gonna finally see 10 gigabit Ethernet? I've seen some of the guys in Twitch chat talking about 10 gig because right now no one seems to be willing to just do this and make it a consumer technology I think Netgear has like one eight port switch on Newegg that's still hundreds of dollars and you can buy Nick cards for in the 200 to 300 dollar range The cabling itself has caught up at this point so you can get Cat 6A cable for a reasonable price How much legitimately like if you had to just guess and you can tell me the number is probably wrong you can disclaim it this number is wrong but if I How much would a 10 gigabit implementation on a motherboard cost and what's the problem right now? Why can't we do it? It really comes down to just it's really it's a cost factor. It's totally possible. We could entirely do it and you know while there are stuff that I can't talk about as far as on the current chipset portfolio You can imagine that there's things coming down the pipeline later on where that could be a possibility of something that you would want be incorporated So we are evaluating looking at 10 gig solutions on base platforms but more probably in the server and workstation demographic than we would see in the traditional kind of like Z97 The performance kind of market space but from a cost standpoint you're talking that you could easily take a motherboard that might let's say traditionally be let's say like a 250 dollar motherboard 300 motherboard That's a relatively high end enthusiast C97 base board and you could add an MSRP of them beyond 200 dollars to be able to add 10 gig E So that's that's a huge cost increase to the consumer. You know I'm sure like foreign people would go this is crazy 200 dollars more right Of course for the users that know the benefit of what they would be able to do in leveraging a 10 gig solution they would they would appreciate that and they would also look at the cost of going hey maybe an add in card is at least maybe 350 bucks So having to pay 200 dollars and having it integrated I'm ready to do that but we were looking at actually I think in a more complete rollout strategy you know we're evaluating actually 10 gig E not just for our motherboards but also for our entire networking division So definitely stay tuned you know you're going to see more of that coming down the pipeline from us but you know it really just comes down to cost if users say hey we're willing to take on the cost then we can do it This same stuff even rolls into like a mini ITX for like really high end we've done some really crazy interesting designs for X79 and trying to do a ultra small form factor X79 mini ITX And I'm not going to say it's impossible because we've made some really interesting design choices to be able to do something like that and then I have people tell me oh we'll do it but then there's always that difference between what's the real market reality and what's the niche reality of people saying oh we'll buy this right Because you know for us to kick off a board you know you're at least talking six to eight months development time a high amount of R&D cost bandwidth and resource and stuff like that and so I could probably make it I could make an X79 mini ITX it could be really interesting as far as the way it worked but would you really be willing to pay you know $450-$500 for that board And that would be a tough pill to swallow I mean I could see an X79 ITX board being worth a small premium you know maybe $250-$275 for you know like let's call it like a deluxe class board you know something pretty equivalent to you know a Z97 or a Z87 ITX board But if you started to tell me it's $400-$500 that's a really tough pill to swallow especially when you factor in that you're going to need some other pretty specialized hardware to even build that rig You know you're going to want Silverstone is I think the only one that I'm aware of with an 80 plus gold power supply that's a 450 watt unit that's an SFX power supply so this is this is a very special machine at this point And you think about like how many times guys viewers think about how many times on a forum you've seen a machine that special how many times you've seen that power supply Yeah, I think the other thing too is you know I mean we're okay making those type of advancements I mean if you look at our history we're not necessarily afraid to buck the trend and sometimes put on these really specialized technologies that roll out over time to other products over time You know because we have users that realize that and that's part of the community one of the really cool things about the PC DIY community is in itself that people will embrace the technology they'll pay a premium and while not everybody benefits from it right away Actually that's the really cool thing is that as products scale over time you know that initial investment actually does scale out to more products over time You know so as long as you can get enough of those people to be supportive of that then you can see really cool innovative product like that it just depends do we really have enough people for these type of solutions And the same way I get every day I get people asking me I want high performance AM3 mini ITX right yeah so stuff like that yeah Okay now leading into investing in the future and it paying off for everyone I think this is a great discussion topic and I don't worry JJ I'll let you talk about Z97 at some point Oh no worries man Let's talk PG278Q ROG Swift You had to do it right you had you just had to ask about it right Yeah but I got more oh it gets more complicated than that because I'm gonna also throw at you the Acer announcement today of their 4K G-Sync monitor And then I'm gonna throw this at you again and I'm gonna go is this all just irrelevant with the VESA 1.2A standard coming out supporting AMD's FreeSync or ActiveSync like is G-Sync even relevant anymore What do you again real thoughts like what do you think you don't even have to give a concrete answer here Yeah so you make a lot of really good points so I think first off if we just tackle the first point in terms of G-Sync's relevancy it's entirely relevant The first and foremost reason is because while you haven't seen physical MP product it's already a technology that's proven it's in integrator solutions right now they're working on it and they're finalizing the products to come to the market So this is a big difference and let's say something a ratified specification or ratified standard that's coming into its play and then still has to be actually proven in real design and implementation So I see Regardless of whether something is a physical implementation or a firmware layer specification or something that occurs on a much more minor level that's purely on a software basis these all those things have to be proven in the real world And I can tell you the learning curve just alone for our modern development team along with Nvidia at actually taking what they thought was a monitor kind of driving circuit board You know and then having to approach that in the real world were two entirely different things you know we had to consider things that Nvidia hadn't factored in like color calibration profile support Which is normally part of let's say the electronics package in a monitor but we had to work with their team to be able to actually integrate the ability to have color controls because that wasn't something that was inherently part of the FPGA package Because Nvidia was thinking from a different perspective So they went gaming It's funny because Nvidia sometimes it gets criticized for being you know oh you guys are completely focused on grid or you're completely focused on mobile But then they go and they bring something like G sync to market and they literally haven't even thought about it beyond yeah gaming. Yeah. And I mean that's that's you know the reality of every company I mean sometimes you run up against you know experience and you know just your internal kind of perspective right and that's where it's a balance that they've worked with us to leverage our experience and monitor design and we're leveraging their experience at that IC based design in that package right for what they're doing there so I think that still in that aspect there's still a lot of logic and there's a lot of other things that we can do to leverage that experience And there's a lot of other things that Nvidia is doing within the FPGA and the overall IP that developing behind G sync that in the long term not just right now but what you're going to be able to do over time with it actually continues to paint the purpose of having a specialized IC now I love the aspect and as you says you know we're not We're not biased to any vendor right we use AMD solutions we produce Nvidia we produce Intel chipsets and we produce AMD chipsets. So from our perspective, we want to be able to give the consumers the most choice possible right. Right. So, you know, I, I, in that perspective right you know what you're seeing with the new visa update. You're going to have more flexibility have a more open ecosystem so that's great as well. But I think all of us at the end of the day, what we care first and foremost about is how something works, even if it's a proprietary solution if it works really really really really well, and there's no issues with it. I'm okay with it being proprietary, if it works outstanding, and it doesn't have any bugs and it doesn't have issues and it just works right i mean that's a that's a proven example of, you know, you're going to get a lot of people that they say hey we wish you gave more Linux support well it's really hard to have Linux support from a chipset development when you have 20 different distros that all have their different kernels and they all have to be compiled differently right when you then tell a chipset company hey you can design a driver for windows, and it's just one platform. Right. So it's very much kind of that same thing there's a lot of things to consider in that. So I think G sync is still relevant. I still think we're going to totally embrace and look at how we can incorporate the updated vSuspect and monitors over time. And then from there, you know the 4k proposition as far as that goes into it. I think everybody's interested to continue to see just improved gaming performance on all types of monitors regardless whether it's 4k, whether it's going to be new TNN what's going to be IPS I don't think it matters I think everybody just wants to continue to see improved and evolved monitor type design so I give kudos hey you know Acer's done an interesting design there with the 4k. I think for us still as you guys know, 4k is a really interesting technology I mean we're launching our right now our brand new PB monitor that's going to be really price aggressive. I have one. There you go right so you know we're all behind that. But you know, to every single one of these right when you factor in a monitor there's so much more to consider than just the monitor right it's you know the games that you're playing. It's the GPUs that you're going to be running in the system. So there's a lot of different perspectives so for there's not going to be ever one monitor that rules them all I think in that perspective right you can maybe get close maybe we could get pretty close to having some right specs the stuff but a lot of this is driven by so many different things so for us, we're going to continue to embrace I think all the technologies on the market and listen to you guys at what you guys want. All right now I have another question from omid. Now, given that Intel didn't change much going from Z 87 to Z 97 and I think we'd be hard pressed to to find like you know a massive change log from the ASUS side, given that it wasn't really necessary. Why are some reviewers finding they're getting better overclocking results and better temps on Z 97 on the same Haswell chips. You know part of this is sometimes actually time differential. There's changes in the overall what's called MEI. It's really interesting we're seeing some of this some of the stuff we're asking reviewers to go back and evaluate because in our internal analysis it's pretty much actually par. But there are some technical implementations that sometimes actually reviewers don't fully evaluate. One of the really things that's interesting with the fiber so that integrated voltage regulator, and then what's called your VCC in as far as voltage is is that the voltage that you see defined within something like CPU CPU Z is not actually your real necessarily voltage. That's the voltage that's actually being communicated by the fiber, but the voltage or the VCC input can actually be lower than that voltage and then based on efficiency, you can have a different measurement. So two boards could actually be effectively giving you the same voltage, but can achieve it in different ways of let's say one has a lower VCC and and one has a higher VCC and so that can account actually for temperature differential. The other thing is that over time if let's say they first tested some boards like six months ago, and then new tuning has come out where they make optimizations to actually load policies. And they make changes to actually different parts of the UEFI to change different actually conditioning parameters, whether it's the VRM efficiency or different parameters all those things can sometimes offset a little bit of numbers, but I can tell you from our internal analysis that overall users should generally if you take a 4770K 4670K between a Z87 platform and then Z97 platform, the actual OC experience is pretty much linear it's the same you're not getting a diminished experience and you're not getting actually a better experience but it's the same clocking experience for our boards we do have a revised DRAM topology so DRAM topology scaling is even a little bit better so you could even get higher but to real world users it's not really relevant because most users you know are maybe going up to 2130 to 2400. So regardless that we can do higher memory dividers. It doesn't really impact the real user. So most of this really just comes down to difference and sometimes the underlying code base changes in let's say voltage rules and policies that sometimes the viewers aren't always always understanding of or not maybe fully accounting for because they might be looking for just one numerical value versus another numerical value. All right, so I've got another one for you I guess along the lines of Z87 to Z97 changes again because I did promise I'd give you an opportunity to cover that with us here is what are the biggest differences that you guys have aimed to deliver here with the Z97 boards whether it's compared to what the competition is doing and you don't have to name any names or whether it's compared to the last generation Z87 implementations. Well, you know for us I mean you know we try to, we're always in the game of pushing the envelope right we're always going to try to look at what the experiences and can we make those experiences better regardless of what it is. You know I think probably the biggest ones that we did that they might seem small but when you really kind of look at them in the bigger picture they were really hard to implement but they really give a whole nother level of experience are going to be really in the auto tuning technologies and the sound and with the fan controls, but I mean there's been improvements to every single aspect but you know fan control stuff is pretty awesome right the last previous generations we'd always talked about having that full fan header control for every single header you know three pin and four pin support, but this year having the ability to go to every single header and manually define whether it's a PC PWM or DC based control is awesome because now that gives you the ability that if you want to put PWM splitters on there, you want to get like a source 530 and have those three front and back and then you know bam power those fans from the PSU get them all tuned with the same actual fan curve and you're rocking and rolling right that's sweet because it just adds a whole nother level of granularity control how you set up your airflow and you set up your experience. And what's funny is the thing that the thing that really blew me away is about the new fan control is one that you didn't even mention and that's the fact that it's within the UEFI now and I can define all those curves in basic mode, I click one thing, and I go yep header by header. I want it on a predefined curve I want to do my own manual curve because you know again real talk time, this is a WAN show, we're casual, I don't really like AI Suite very much. It is it has been a big problem for me at various times throughout its history and while I haven't tried it in the last probably three to six months. I've tried it fairly recently enough that I just am not a huge fan, whereas UEFI implementation of something like that. Wow, what a godsend because now I can really take advantage of that feature in a way that is bulletproof. And this one thing to not shoot it AI Suite despite I don't use it either. Is that getting away from the software implementation is just nice anyways because if you reformat your computer change out a drive or do whatever that's less that you have to think about when you're setting everything back up again. Yeah, I think that that applies more to you guys as reviewers right most users you know you they talk about actually how long they can try to keep rolling over their OS. You see so many people take OS is from one chipset to another chipset. Yeah, they don't even reinstall you know but I guess that'll be my challenge is to bring you over because you know that's one thing that we work really hard on is the software suite but you know that's that is a good example. You know we had to work really hard on actually putting in that full graphical fan turf, the calibration and all that stuff. And literally, it's redundant, we spent time and effort to do something that we had already done two years before but we did it just to be able to give more of our base of users more accessibility to the software. So whether it's guys that for whatever reason, don't want to embrace the software, well then we can give it to you in another direction, and you can still get that same experience. And then you added on you know rounding that all out giving you the temperature input control per header. I mean that's awesome right that you can go in and say hey, my front intake fan should not have to respond to my CPU right. Why can't that respond to my motherboard, why can't that respond to my PCH, why can't that respond to another temperature input. So, you know, and I think the biggest part you know is a lot of time we get pigeon held as being the premium vendor the more expensive vendor. Look at the Z 97 dash a, again, there is not a better value proposition board in my opinion, $140 motherboard that has that class of fan controls. You know bring competitors into it you know guys you go, you know me long enough I'm not that kind of guy that I bash on you know the other guys, but gigabyte as rock MSI. None of them, but everyone. I'm gonna combo punch the entire team right now. Their highest and motherboard doesn't have that fan control that I have on $140 motherboard. When you talk about value. I don't know how much it gets better than that from a value proposition. I'm on the Twitch stream, but I can already imagine what's going to happen in about 20 seconds, where people are going to say, oh I don't care about that fan control that doesn't have a value for me I don't really care I like all my fans running at 100% or whatever else, but my response to that is, you know what I know some people who care a whole lot about that, and two of them sitting in this room have spent over $150 on a software fan controller that basically hardware fan controller, sorry, hardware fan controller that we have to configure through software that's much better than the AI suite has ever been. Just to get that functionality that you guys are now including on a board that costs less than what we paid for an M cubed T balancer. So, someone out there appreciates it, even if not everybody does and it is a definite value add, possibly the only two people in Canada. There's definitely I mean we know for sure that it's a lot more people than just you guys. I'm you know it's just the bigger thing is sometimes just edifying people and helping them understand this and it's hard, you know we talked about this last time. This is not an easy game to be in when there's so many features and there's so many functions to be cognizant and to be aware of but you know we work on it but um, you know I think like I said the fan controls I think the auto tuning stuff is awesome I mean this generation, you have an ability to do like target temperature based overclocking so that if you want to have the overclock be limited to 70 C or 80 C and it's only going to do it to that, you know having it be frequency based having the app tuning stuff right where you can conditionally profile your application to a specific overclock and have that dynamically adjust things like network prioritization or audio stuff I mean I think crazy stuff if you start to really evaluate some of these functions and features it's kind of crazy that you're getting this level of control and and while you guys might not be using this software to make this end user available the power and class of this functionality I don't think people thought you know especially three years ago four years ago every year people say yeah there's not more that you can do it's it's it's all over there's no more there's no more innovation that can be done and then you do stuff like this and people go how come this hasn't been on a motherboard for the last five years right so. I mean the funny thing is even I find myself doing it sometimes where I'll be I'll be using all the latest stuff because that's what I generally use and then we'll know really though because I because when we're whenever we're evaluating something we don't benchmark whatever is five years old. Yeah but it doesn't happen very often but that's exactly it is I'll be I'll be using all the latest stuff and then the other day I was putting together a pf sense box and I dug I dug an H 55 board out of a box somewhere and I was like oh yeah it's got like a dual core so it's relatively low you know power consumption or whatever also relatively low performance so I don't mind tying it up in that box just to try it out and I was blown away by just all the crap it didn't have. Even though I didn't feel like between between age 55 and now I didn't really feel like there was any kind of huge generational improvement in features I was just like oh this thing like doesn't have anything it doesn't have like on board buttons it doesn't have like. Going back to those like classic old school blue screen phoenix BIOS setups I know it's like oh wow yeah this has been a while actually. And that's actually it's perfect that you bring that up because that's you know highlighting back to your I think your very first question right or maybe like your second one about people upgrading this is where I think it's sometimes hard as you guys reviewers is that the value proposition sometimes you kind of go this meh mentality right when a new chipset comes out because you guys are maybe looking at it right from the previous one but I think that we've done a whole lot to improve from Z87 to Z97 but it is also really important to remember I mean you guys have a really really great community and so you guys know about the the systems that these users have but you know imagine somebody right now coming over from an X58 platform to just like our our dash A or our pro motherboard and everything that they're getting just on the board level right let's not forget the things that are chips that derive but just on the board functionality level there's an insane amount of stuff that they totally just are not even remotely near coming over from that chipset to this chipset. All right so JJ this is this is a question from Lewis Amoon and I tend to I tend to agree with him. Why don't you use right angle USB 3 connectors. So if you actually notice we do use it on the Saber toot series and we've actually done it now for I think three generations. But we don't do it as a whole because we still see actually chassis compatibility issues. So I think really the only company that's really kind of gun-ho about it is EBGA and we've we've like I said we just don't do it because we still see enough issues with that there are some chassis where the actual space if you were to right angle that cable it actually will obstruct into the hard drive cage so it's a bit tight in that spacing and as you know that USB 3 header it's a fat blocky header and it's really hard to deal with. In terms of that what we're actually I think playing around with more is that we're coming we're trying to develop kind of like a USB 3 Q connector so that you could actually put that in and it will actually a flexible cable that you could then run through like your your your routing holes in your chassis. The kind of the tricky thing about that is that there's a actual there's a cost so you actually have to pay a royalty cost every time you do like a USB 3 spec this is why this is why a lot of the chassis if you notice there's like a really big drop off between entry level chassis having front USB 3 and then all of them having USB 2 right and you saw like this weird area where there was like stuff from NZXT or Cooler Master these other ones where they only have like one USB 1 front USB 3. Yeah that's because the cost so it's hard they charge you for this USB 3 header so you know we're looking at trying to do that but then we would have to pay the cost for putting the adapter and do all that stuff but that's really what it comes down to is it's literally right now that if we saw more chassis now that the argument could be said well you know if we do it maybe on higher end boards maybe like pro and above it's probably going to go into a chassis where there's more than enough space between where the board sits. And where the hard drive case are hard to always count on that right yeah but that's the hard part right is it we kind of have to balance that out so I think for me I'd rather do kind of the Q connector kind of thing I think people would be okay with that so I think that's probably the direction we're moving closer towards than seeing the USB 3 header actually go right angle and there is also a little bit there is a little bit of actually signal integrity issues that when you turn it actually to the right angle that you can actually change a little bit of some of the layout to probably make it a little bit more of a topology and stuff like that and since we don't want to have to go rework the entire board from that perspective right you know it makes a little bit more sense to save the work that we've already done. Okay so let's talk Devil's Canyon are we going to see I mean I already know the answer to this but this is a question from Fabian are we going to see Devil's Canyon CPUs work on your Z97 boards are we going to see them work on your Z87 boards. So this is a tricky topic so I'll give you guys as much information as I can on this point sure Intel requires what's called MEI compliance for certain CPUs so there is you guys kind of know the option ROM right the option ROM on a serial ATA controller like on the Intel motherboards right so that's like the firmware for the SATA controller and sometimes a new chips gets come out there's actually new option ROM right well the same thing when a new chips that comes out there's new MEI firmware generally corresponding to that CPU so technically to support the new Devil's Canyon CPUs you have to excuse me you have to be running the new MEI firmware so I believe it's 9.1 MEI firmware so all Z97 motherboards have that but for Z87 they're running on an older MEI firmware so you will actually have to back port that MEI firmware blocked those boards now we've done some internal testing already and we have been able to actually back port this but as to you know what the time frame may be for us to formally roll this out or whether we will formally roll that out I can't state that at this time we're still evaluating because there's also a concern that we talked about this I think last time with AMD where there's always a little bit of trickiness when you back port new CPUs to an older chipset and you're making the UEFI or the BIOS compatible for that you don't want it to break the overall performance or the interoperability compatibility for the old CPU platform right because we have to overall favor the majority of people that have the old CPU versus the new CPU because most users I mean statistically on that old chipset aren't going to upgrade to a new CPU but they may go out there and they may download that new UEFI 4.6 or 4.7 and it maybe brings down their overhead a little bit because you know there's different code base and different that running around in there we try not to do that so our rule of thumb is we try to keep the performance for the previous CPU the same or within a 5% margin if it doesn't adhere to that then it's something that we might not do and then there's also still race there is also resource limitations and things like that as you guys know there's another chipset that I can't talk about but it's coming down later down the pipe so this is all just about a managed resource but I think our track record has been pretty good in this regard so as soon as I have more information on what will happen specifically for Z87 you guys will definitely know I will make sure to let you guys know as far as how that works out but right now guaranteed 100% support is exclusive to Z97. Alright so what I'd like to do is guys we're gonna thank everyone for sending in their Q&A questions for JJ thanks JJ for answering them but hold on I'm not quite done with you yet JJ because I'd love for you to hang around with us for one more topic that isn't a Q&A but this is something that I have personally bitched to you about and now I may be getting my way I'm extremely excited and I would love to hear your thoughts on the rumor that Intel's upcoming Xeons including some pretty crazy like 18 core SKUs may be unlocked or even water cooling optimized which has implications that I'm sure are fairly obvious to you for enthusiasts. And this was posted originally on the forum by Luca P. So let's oh yeah and the original article was from Hardwarebot.org. Sounds interesting to me that's about all I can say. Oh come on! I wasn't expecting more than that to be honest. Sounds interesting to me you know but I will preface this I will preface this there's always a lot of interesting things that comes about on the interwebs as you guys know and your guys forums is a hotbed for a lot of this stuff circulating around and people discussing it. No! And you know some of it is sometimes true and some of it's not true you know but even around like the upcoming Devil's Canyon there's been a lot of supposed communication and validation at what people perceive to be truths that were existing before in the community and they think that all of a sudden there's been changes that all of a sudden have somehow aligned with these truths that they think existed about older CPUs and are going to be all of a sudden I guess proven true for the refresh based CPUs and you know all things will come in time as far as you will see the way things work out but you know like it is all things will come in time right so. That didn't sound like a denial. You know I can't like I said I wish I could say more but just have to keep it tuned right you know and I'm sure the moment that something is confirmed and validated they're going to find out from you guys because you guys are great about giving everybody that information. Alright well I'll tell you what JJ without you having to confirm or deny anything first of all thank you very much for coming on the show it was an absolute pleasure to have you on again and second of all just like okay just just like the conversation I had with Nvidia where I was I was swapping emails with my PR contact at like 3 in the morning whereas I said out of the blue I'm just like you know shield 2 rumors are starting to float around and you know we're hearing screen resolution this we're hearing that obviously. The CPUs are the GP whatever you want to call it I could really piss in video off and call it an APU. Obviously that's been pretty much ready for a while so I sent this email I'm like hey make sure I'm on the top of the list for a shield 2 and he's just sends back lol. But that was all the response I needed I just made sure you heard me JJ man make sure that if any of this if any of this enthusiast grade multi core overclocking unlock stuff happens whatever board you guys have that is the very best one whether that's a WS or whatever else please make sure that I'm on the top of the list top of the list man. You guys are always on the top of my list you guys are great. Thank you. Should we all should we all like kind of hug and kiss before we say bye here. We need to I'm not even trying to get one we need to get you know we got a healthy bromance going on it's all right you know I think we're all comfortable here. You got to get us two of those boards if they exist because he's going to steal one and I need to benchmark it you know I don't even care personally I could I could not take it home that's fine he's going to take it home so I need another one for testing you know I will give you one thing. It's something I actually I wrote about it on the PC DIY site that I handled the conflict for and but I think it's like a little bit lone fact I don't know if you guys already kind of found out about it but since I couldn't give you a confirm or deny about what you guys asked about a lot of people been asking about the swift. One of the really cool things I can tell you for the swift is you know the swift you guys know all the new specs it'll have but one of the new functions that also be it will be the first 3d vision 2560 enabled panel so you'll be able to game and actually at 3d resolutions beyond 1080 so that's at least something maybe you guys didn't know about kind of cool. I did not. I know you don't like 3d but some people do and you haven't tried it with a low persistence backlight monitor have that's true so this should this could be very interesting. All right so thank you very much JJ and we will hopefully have you on again I guess in another year when another oh no because we're going to you can either confirm or deny that we're going to have another chipset sooner than that but why don't we all agree that we're going to we're going to reconvene sooner than a year from now. Yeah I definitely will say sooner than a year from now we can reconvene and if any of your guys have any any questions that they want answered that I didn't answer you can tell them they can post in the forum I'll jump back in there a little bit later tonight and I'll be more than happy to answer anybody's questions. 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Hey guys it's Geek Stakes 2014 no but seriously we helped pick all the prizes because they asked us for some insight into what our audience would want them to give away so here I'm just going to screen share really quick here so there you go it's Facebook.com slash Modus so Modus is an IT recruiter so not only do they give away a bunch of cool stuff but you can submit your resume to the them for free and they handle placements to fortune 500 companies little tiny startups and all throughout the IT industry it's a way of getting a job in the IT industry that quite frankly I had never actually considered. I'd heard of it. So it costs nothing for the actual user and major like big companies they asked me not to name any names but big companies use these guys to fill some seriously cool positions. I'm sure if you're one of the people that want to sign up for this your Google food is probably good enough to kind of figure that out. Yeah so anyway guys the Geek Stakes runs from May 23rd to June 6th and if you go back every day you can get additional entries I do want to talk a little bit about what they are giving away so there's an MSI GS 60 that was that was my personal contribution I was like okay look you guys whatever other prizes you got like that's cool. But you want to make sure you've got like a sweet gaming notebook and that was one that was able to fit into the price that we were able to kind of take away from everything else and be able to hit they are giving away an Oculus Rift they are giving away a parrot AR drone a light row camera that camera that you can focus after you take the picture. They are giving away a fire TV a Sphero that Bluetooth control ball pebble smart watch that was my personal contribution as well. Jbird BlueBuds X Bluetooth earbud set almost everything on this list is stuff we've reviewed in the past. Yeah they're giving away an M45 gaming mouse my personal favorite gaming mouse right now so guys definitely go and check that out which brings us into our last sponsor guys if you haven't had enough ASUS on this show already what on earth are you doing you know what just go back to the standard one because we've got our ASUS ROG notebook right there. If you haven't had enough ASUS on this show I'm going to drink some ASUS Kool-Aid here some more and talk to you guys about the G750JZ. Okay so I was doing the WAN show and I thought I would rap but you didn't give a crap top about my rhymes that just ain't that great but on the show it's my show so don't hate. Okay so guys this is the G750JZ is a legit power gaming notebook legit powerful gaming notebook I'm never going to make it through you know. Legit power that should be their new tagline rock solid legit power. The saddest part is I don't even think it's impossible. No can't even power legit literally can't even power. Okay so anyway the point is it's funny because with these talk with the way we talk about the G750JZ like we we eventually laboriously get the point across. But if you know if I was ASUS I'd be like what are these guys doing over there but truthfully and this is just this is like the biggest tease ever because I'm not going to tell you guys anything about it. ASUS just signed on with us for something really exciting it's a collaborative effort between me and Logan. And some other guys potentially and they are going to be our presenting sponsor for it we're going to be talking about potentially another cool ASUS gaming laptop and it is going to be absolutely like bat crap crazy. I expect that to happen around the end of June but in the meantime G750JZ is what I would consider to be about as good as it gets for a desktop replacement without getting into that unreasonable size where it just doesn't really make any sense anymore and the battery life isn't that good. Like with the G750JZ I can get through almost two full WAN shows on one charge in spite of the fact that it is a gaming notebook and if I am gaming obviously battery life is not as good but I can get performance that is pretty close to what you could do on a modern generation desktop and actually probably about the same as what you could do on a last gen high performance gaming desktop with a single GPU. Enthusiast grade GPU. You know what we should do? You know how we make like tech quickie commercials for different companies or what? Oh hold on so thanks ASUS for sponsoring the WAN show and providing us with these awesome laptops to use while we broadcast to you guys. It's like pretty cool of them. It's nice considering my last one barely works anymore. We should make a like tech quickie style commercial thing for JZ laptops but we should make it where it's a rap battle featuring Linus and Linus has to like go through these it's kind of like the Pokemon league but in rap battle form. You have to like beat all these different rap battle trainer people and they all have like different styles and you have to make your way through it and then when you win you get a JZ laptop. Okay oh hey guys oh sorry sorry sorry totally totally off topic I've got um I've got our what honor where is it okay well okay anyway um back to the back to the modus giveaway really quickly here to screen share me. Um the first draw is in half an hour so guys seriously legitimately go check it out go like the page right now and you'll be entered to win a stick and find so that's that little bluetooth sticker that Luke and I used for that fun little video we did where we played hide the sausage. So guys seriously like just go there now and go click it because otherwise um I will have to eat gruel for several weeks and I don't think you would want that. Twitch chat liked my idea. What was your idea? Oh I hate your idea. Your idea is stupid. Why? Your idea is bad and you should feel bad. I want to see you rap battle. You want to see me rap battle? Yeah. Do you? Yeah I do actually. Oh boy. And yet you don't want to make a foot flick music video. Okay okay so last show you guys I brought up the foot flick thing about how every nerd knows how to do the foot flicks they don't yank ethernet cables and destroy devices so I was saying we should do like a really quick kind of tech tips video on like everyone should know how to do the foot flick this is how you do the foot flick. And his reaction was awesome but let's make it a music video. Do the foot flick. Do the foot flick. So making like new dance moves but part of the foot flick is you got to flick your foot back so hard that you fall forward. Yeah. So the whole thing is going to have to be like this. Yeah it couldn't be the same person every time. No. Like the idea is that like what like we'd have like one cable during the chorus and like one person would walk by and like do the foot flick and they like like roll past it and then like the next person come back do the foot flick and if you can't do the foot flick you're gonna be in trouble you're gonna be on the ground on the double and then like someone falls. See I would love to see you in a rap battle. I think you could do it. I love it. I definitely think you could do it. So are we yeah I don't know we got to do something with the foot flick. Okay. Whatever it ends up being. We will we will do something with the foot flick I cannot promise nor threaten that it will be a rap battle or a music video but it will definitely be something. All right speaking of things that are definitely something this is cool. I mean we don't we don't often just find you know like a little small PC announcement and sort of make a big deal about it on the WAN show unless it's a product that we think is like really really different and this is still just an all in one mini piece or not all one part of me is still just a mini PC. But look at it. This is the Z box sphere. And what it is is it is a tiny PC like it's it's. Okay this isn't giving you guys much of an idea of the scale here so this was posted on the forum by 4960 X. Seriously people who put like years in their usernames or like individual products in their usernames you guys got a forward think a little bit more anyway it's about this big I saw it first at CES but this thing's got a core i5 processor in it and is a full computer in the size of a sphere. And you know what. They deserve some attention for this for trying to think out literally outside the box. Oh no you don't want to. Are you sweaty it's nasty okay well the point is they're thinking outside the box in much the same way that apple is getting so much attention for but who else is going to pay attention to ZOTAC for doing something a little bit different other than us so I've requested a review sample of that I do want to tell you guys more about it I think it's really cool. You basically twist off the top for toolless upgrades it takes a two and a half inch SSD and msata SSD and two sodium modules and yeah I think that is pretty darn cool speaking of things that aren't pretty darn cool. Oh yeah. What is what like what so this was posted on the forum by Niels Kersic and the original article is from tweakers.net and basically Google sent out a letter that was discovered by the Wall Street Journal thank you Wall Street Journal for being cool. This letter was sent to the Securities and Exchange Commission back in December arguing that they don't have to specify the revenues on mobile ads and one of the arguments that they brought up is that it's difficult to indicate mobile devices because the definition keeps on changing. Like it's difficult to pin down what exactly is a mobile device. So they use possible future examples such as fridges thermostats glasses and watches but the problem here is that even though Google hasn't talked or even indicated that they have any plans of implementing ads on any of those kinds of devices. It shows that they're thinking about it like how annoying would that be on something like a watch where you have such limited real estate where it's like or or okay but let's let's move away from sort of the watches we have today and kind of go okay what about the watch of tomorrow where it has a holographic display or whatever else. Could we be looking at a situation where you like are expected to look past an ad or like if you look at it at the wrong angle there's like an ad in your face. Yeah probably and it's frustrating because this brings up the thing that we've talked about before too which is where you totally buy a device and then that person that you bought the device from serves you ads which is crazy frustrating. Okay speaking of so anyway that's that's just it was a very brief discussion topic there speaking of buying a device and then having the rug completely pulled out from under you. LG has LG guys not cool like not cool what's going on here and as much as no wars original post about this is super lame it just says silly LG and then as a and then as a link to the original source here. That is not how we do things new are still I actually am not sure what else I could have said about it so the original articles from tech dirt.com and basically what happened is this gentleman didn't want to roll out an update to his two year old TV that would change the privacy policy in such a way that he wasn't comfortable with. So what LG sorry with good reason with good reason so what LG oh yeah okay so what it said was yeah when you use live plus we may share certain viewing information device information and basic usage information with third parties for advertising and analytics purposes and enable the provision of information relevant to what you are viewing. To third party party vendors that LG electronics may engage to provide services on his behalf from time to time such as to collect payment for content you purchase or to fulfill customer service requests or to provide advertising services. The guy was like yeah no that's not cool so LG basically goes okay well you can either accept it or you cannot use the smart TV features of your smart TV that you bought and it's not like he can just take it back to the store at this point to two year old TV. Even Costco doesn't take back two year old TVs anymore I think it's a three month limit now. I can't even begin to understand how they feel like this is okay I mean it's and they definitely do because it's very plainly written yes that that's going to happen it's part of their policy that they can just not if you if you refuse to accept the the usage changes. And you know what they're not the only ones who have covered their butts in such a way that you know they could just change anything at any time and you would just have to deal with it I just feel like guys when we hear about things like this we have a responsibility to not support the guys who are. If nothing else even if everyone has this as part of their policy we can choose not to support the ones that are enforcing it and at least make the ones that aren't enforcing it kind of look at what's going on and go oh okay well let's keep not enforcing let's keep not enforcing that because otherwise we are going to back ourselves into a corner where we are just going to have no choice and we're not going to have another option. I've never really been interested in smart TVs because I find that honestly most of them are junk anyways. They truly are so I wouldn't have bought one anyways but this makes it so that if I had to I would specifically not buy an LG one because again we have to try and vote with our wallets it rarely seems to work but if we can try again that would be fantastic. Yeah if we could just try that again that would be great thanks. Alright so big news this week and I would love for you guys to let's do like just a general Twitter blitz Q&A we're getting pretty close to the end of the show and if you could specifically let me know because I have zero marketing support from Microsoft I don't know a single person in PR or their PR firm. So for me to review the Surface 3 I'm going to straight up have to buy it so if you guys can let me know like are you is something because I don't need another laptop. Got the G750JZ yo. Anyway I don't need another laptop so if someone is like yeah I would totally buy that off you Linus without you having to take a huge hit on it. Or if you guys are like look this is totally worth the $1200 or so dollars you're going to have to spend on a medium spec one to really yeah I know it's a lot of money and we really need you to review this we really need you to talk about this guys let me know how important this is to you. But basically here it is the verge was at the launch event they've got some pictures of it here and this looks like what I pretty much asked for back when they launched the original Surface and the Surface RT. It is thinner the keyboard implementation is better so they've got a backlit type cover now that actually mounts to the screen in a different way so you can actually fold it up flat and then lay it against it so that it angles up a little bit at the same time. The touchpad is bigger on the type cover what they what they've effectively done is they've made it while the battery life is still not quite there it's about eight hours which is pretty good but when you compare that to what is it 13 hours on the MacBook Air. Apple is like ah I just I want someone to beat them batteries are holding everything back yeah batteries are holding everything back so anyway the point is they have pretty much delivered what I asked for when they first launched this device longer battery great power consumption it's thinner it's beautiful it's more functional and it legitimately replaces both the tablet and the notebook in a way that the original just couldn't do because the changes they've made to the keyboard. The touchpad is bigger on the type cover what they've actually done is they've made it while the battery life is still not there it's about eight hours on the type cover what they've actually done is they've made it while the battery life is still not there it's more functional and it legitimately replaces both the tablet and the notebook in a way that the original just couldn't do because the changes they've made to the type cover. The touchpad is bigger on the type cover what they've actually done is they've made it while the battery life is still not there it's about eight hours on the type cover what they've actually done is they've made it while the battery life is still not there it's more functional and it legitimately replaces both the tablet and the notebook in a way that the original just couldn't do because the changes they've made to the type cover. I'm glad to see someone other than HTC taking front facing speakers and how important they are seriously and like honestly guys it's faster it just looks like one seriously cool device. I really like that raise up that you can do on the type cover. I hope it actually doesn't make it kind of flex down a lot while you're typing because that would not be very good. I don't know this is the kind of thing that I'd really like to there's a close up of the hinge this is all from the verge this is how you can lay it all the way down flat pretty much so you can draw on it. It's it's really clean looking so that surface branding on the back of it is pretty much all you see it apparently does get a little bit warm in use I actually like this placement of the windows button right here rather than the bottom one because when I sit and use a tablet or even a notebook. I'm using my hands or a hand and this is as good or better always than down here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, where it's more of a like you like grab something and you're liable to accidentally press it as often as press it on purpose. So let's let's do that Twitter blitz shall we guys we want to hear from you. I feel bad. We don't I feel like we don't do enough Twitter interaction on the show anymore but we just have so much stuff to talk about. Captain cake says buy one review it and return it. Okay, that is a good suggestion but there is an issue with that and that's that if something goes wrong and we like you know we scratch it or something then we're in a pretty we're in a pretty bad situation. Someone says they would rather see us check out the Lenovo X1 carbon so that's from Ryan Jenkins Greg says it's really cool but I don't think the audience would be interested enough. Well that's the point of this Twitter blitz. Let's let's find out what the audience thinks about this actually speaking of the audience. There were a couple of things that I had in here that I wanted a straw poll. Okay one straw poll Luke can you create a straw poll on the Infinidex so that was that omnidirectional treadmill we looked at before versus augmented reality which one you would be more excited about if you could have a full setup of either of them for the same price let's say and it supported all the same game. So Infinidex VR versus Infinidex AR? Versus no just AR like running around out and about. Okay so let's keep Twitter blitzing here guys. Someone says don't buy it my Asus TB100 performs probably just as good if you can borrow it do that of course but it's not worth your own money. Delauns yeah I know you want it. Guys by the way this is the Delauns who you can do two things for one of two things you can either thank him for being the one who does the Wanshow table of contents or you control him for being the one who makes the occasional mistake in the Wanshow table of contents but huge shout out to Delauns because without him the Wanshow takes a lot longer for us to get up because by the end of Friday Luke and I are just exhausted and going back and rewatching the show that we just broadcast and like creating a table of contents for it is not real high on our list of things that we like super awesomely want to do and Delauns was actually the one who came up with the idea of doing a condensed table of contents and then the super detailed one that you guys can find topic by topic what interests you the most. Hey Twitch decided to allow me to be a mod again. Oh cool. That's cool. I wasn't this entire stream so far. I would like to see the new surface but wouldn't be the end of the world if I didn't get one. Okay. All right. Lower your dongers because the mods are permabanning for flexing dongers. The surface looks great. Don't have the money now so much better than terrible. Windows 8.1 is still a real challenge for me. Like I still you know issues man you know what it is 95 98 percent of the time I'm 100 percent okay with it but then when I'm actually in a hurry to get something done and I swipe off the side of my touchpad accidentally when I'm just trying to move the mouse. It it really drives me. Yeah. Well yeah it really does in a way that I can't even rationally justify but and like when I accidentally when I when I fire up a new PC and I go to listen to a song or look at a picture and it opens that garbage modern UI application that is just less hurdles to jump worthless. I just it just I just go oh and I have to sit and wait for it to launch and they're so slow really slow they're slow to launch and it's just I know it's only a few seconds and this is a total first world problem and it's stupid but it's not slow to launch the desktop app. But it's not slow to launch the desktop app we're solving a problem that we never had. Anyway yes please do it says Sebastian. Isn't it funny how you care more about the way your case interior looks and the way your watch looks what's wrong with my watch. Yeah really. I like this watch actually a lot of people have asked me but this is a cogito smartwatch. I haven't spent much time with the app yet so don't run out and buy them just because I'm wearing it yet I will let you guys know what I think of it but I've had a lot of people compliment me on this watch to be perfectly honest. More people than the pebble with the pebble people are like what is that with this one people are like oh what's that. Yeah 0.01 cares about Microsoft hardware hashtag just get a cease to build it. It would be really nice if you review the surface pro 3 already considered buying it by the service pro 2. Okay someone says and says review a base surface 3. That's an interesting angle where we go okay here is the starting point because I think most everyone else is going to be looking at high end or mid range configurations. Whereas if we go okay no we're going to do like a really good review of this is the surface 3 by the way you can also get these things by the way by the higher end model go go look at other people's reviews if you want to know what like the core i7 one performs like that's interesting. Not a bad idea. It also save you some money. Ashley okay you were doing pretty well in this tweet up till the bit about putting 10 gigabit ethernet on the surface for. I don't think that's going to happen so good. Did we just did we just lose a hockey game to the fins. Is that the joke here what's going on in the world championships I haven't actually looked at it in the last couple days. I don't think we did last night. Pretty sure we didn't lose last night. Oh world championships yeah world championships hockey. I don't know I haven't haven't been paying that wanting to kind of push Dave tippett thought that. Yeah no they beat the fins yeah screw you guys. Okay I have the pro 2 it's awesome review the pro 3 says biebs kadu who is by my favorite whatever you are. Cool guy favorite dude save the surface is the one to review go for it okay so looks like people straight up really want me to check out the surface three okay I'm going to I'm going to order one today. Okay I'll order one and you know if someone wants to you know buy it off of us on the garage sale I can promise you there will be a bit of a deal but it might not be a lot cheaper than you know than a surface three that you buy new but it'll be in great condition I'll take really good care of it. So the best of my ability here guys. Zach Janice says why not just get a convertible notebook you know what it's a great question and I was using a Dell XPS 12 for a long time which is a convertible notebook the reason I would say that a surface three might make sense is that a convertible notebook is not a tablet. Whereas a surface three is a tablet, but it also has so much more capability than a tablet because of the kickstand because of the stylist because of the ability to add these keyboard accessories that are well implemented and not kludgy. I also find that this tablet is going to be a lot thinner and smaller. It's much thinner, much lighter. So there are real reasons why surface makes sense beyond, or instead of a convertible notebook. Apparently the i5 model comes out two months sooner than the others so I guess we might end up just hitting that one I guess. Phillip says yeah yeah I'll definitely take it after review it. Alright fair enough. Oh we've got people asking about the modus sweepstakes or geek stakes excuse me. I think the draw is in eight minutes, unless it was at nine. Shoot, I'm dirty I think I'm at a bit of a loss here. Okay well either way guys go back every weekday and make sure that you go that you go check that out. Thanks again to modus for sponsoring our show today. Have you seen the metal meta glasses space glasses for AR no I haven't, but we don't click links on on Twitter on the WAN show anymore after some bad experiences. I don't think that's the best still grab of Luke ever. No. Okay, so that's about it. Setting aside the money Nintendo and Sony has, what would be the ups and downs of Nintendo straight up buying PlayStation. I'd be down with Nintendo buying PlayStation, they won't at all. Yeah, because I mean the thing is that it's not in their like model at all. The thing that I think people need to get about Nintendo is that they're not having trouble right now because they can't build a powerful gaming console, or because they can't pursue the whole third party AAA well okay they are having trouble pursuing third party AAA gaming titles, but it's because of the different approach that they believe in pursuing with, you know, multiple screens and different controller schemas and all that kind of stuff. It's not like Nintendo doesn't know how to build a brick with controllers plugged into it. So they wouldn't buy PlayStation for the sake of the innovation of PS4 being a brick with controllers wirelessly connected to it. So I just think straight up, Nintendo just wouldn't even be interested, even if they could afford it. Nope, I don't think so either. And I'm okay with that. I think Wii U and I think 2DS 3DS deserves a lot more attention and a lot more respect than it gets because honestly 2DS 3DS is really fun. They're integrated super well. That's another thing people don't understand is everyone will complain for days when Battlefield doesn't work off the bat and Titanfall is not very well optimized for PC off the bat. And there's like all these problems all over the place. But then when every single Nintendo game like ever works completely flawlessly out of the box, as far as I can think of off the top of my head, no one seems to really care. I have a Wii U and I have a 2DS. They're both absolutely fantastic. Whenever anyone comes over, we often end up playing Wii U because PC games are great, but they're great when your buddy is still at his house or you're landing. And that's actually kind of difficult to kind of do all the time. So yeah, I don't know. I think they deserve a lot more attention than they get. I mean, speaking of their games all working flawlessly, the game spy servers shutting down was a bit of a problem recently for DS owners who still want to play Mario Kart, Wii owners who still want to play their games. But there's some good news out of all of this as well. This was originally posted by bonsai99 on the forum. And here's a post from bungee.net. Halo PC, Combat Evolved and Custom Edition. There's a new patch. So the game spy servers went down. So you weren't going to be able to even look for online servers because the server list server is gone. So some dude in the community coded a new server list. Bungie put up some of their own servers to host this stuff and things are rolling again. One of the big things in the new patch was they did a whole bunch of small bug fixes. So essentially the game should have died this month. And bungee was just like, nope, here's patches fixing things. Here's patches bringing the servers back. You guys are good to go. And that's awesome. That's super cool. Like so much more respect for bungee. So like fixing things like upper boundary on video resolution, fixing things like they're even fixing they fixed active camo on Nvidia cards. Like they're even fixing like graphical stuff. Never mind crashes or like, oh man, that is just so cool. There was a bunch of different members of the community that brought up some of these bugs and like different ways that they could fix it and whatnot. And then that guy in the community coded this list and people I know people are going to come back and be like, oh, well, they kept it up because like strong community focus and the community kind of fixed everything for them. Doesn't matter. This happens all the time. Yeah, there's super dedicated people in so many different communities. It's insane that ask really nicely, really nice to even be allowed to fix it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, this happens all the time. It just it took bungee to actually accept this help and actually do it and then thank those people, which I think is really cool. I think this is just like the coolest, most like feeling happy, like gaming news that like I just I want to go buy a copy. I want to go back and play Halo. I just want to go buy a copy and like play the heck out of it. Go play through the single player. We should like I've wanted to do this a long time. Okay. You know what, guys? You got to let us know. You got to let us. You got to let us know. If we did a very small LAN event in Vancouver, would you guys be down to help us cover the costs? It would be a very small LAN event and it wouldn't be like at my house or anything. So we would have to actually get a venue. So it might not be that cheap. But would you guys be down to come and hang with us? I have to say I haven't played much in the way of video games in the last little while. And I firmly believe that a LAN is only fun as long as everyone is on the same page and playing the same game. So we would publish a games list and we would expect people to come and play those games and have fun and eat some snacks. But would you guys be down to come to something like that? Even if it was like full on Nazi mode, anyone opens wow at this LAN, we will literally have him pick you up, pick up your computer and throw both of you out the door. We'll bring my brother too. Yeah, we'll bring your brother too, just in case we need some more like thug muscle. But there you go, guys. Would you be down to come? Let us know on Twitter. I'm not going to blitz it right now, but I will definitely check it out later. And I'd love to see the results of that straw poll that we were that we created. Okay, here. No, no, I'm just gonna we'll switch over to you here. So in theory, this is having an issue on Firefox, but I've got it up in Chrome way to be straw poll. Okay, here we go. I did allow multiple seriously. I did allow multiple votes. That's how it's going to be. So I made it so that people could vote for multiple things. And a lot of people still just decided to vote for one thing. That was the Linus rap battle. I got after you for posting like banana and all this other crap and all of our polls. So it's like, you know, whatever I can do it to. So Linus rap battle wins with 70% of the votes. And the rest of it got almost no votes. This isn't even like statistically significant. So both the other options got under 20%. You infinite deck VR coming in at 17% and AR not even getting 15% coming in at 13%. Personally, I vote for AR running around. But infinite deck VR would be awesome as well. And I think the nice smooth experience would probably come first to infinite deck VR style gaming. Right. Because being able to actively render things and AR AI really, really well and on the fly and stuff. I think it's not really gonna happen for a little while. Now it's at 69%. That's perfect. All right. Well, on that on that completely mature and, you know, sophisticated note. Thank you guys very much for tuning into the WAN show. We'll see you guys again next week. And I'll probably I don't think I'm gonna do a garage sale today, but I'll come back and stream for a couple minutes. But then I got to go get the got to go get the baby. So good stuff. All right. Seriously, you got to pull the thing up. Way to go. Oh, we just had a talk 46 message us and let us know that the Mario Kart Wii community also managed to create custom server. Something about the tweet. So I don't know that the grammar is necessarily correct. But there you go. So that's pretty cool. Yeah.