 We've been live for a bit. We were just, you know, we were having like a contemplative moment. Did you know that whole time? Yeah. You just let that happen? Yeah, yeah. I was watching you over here on the monitor. Wow. I was just like, he's just so majestic. So, we've got a great show for you guys today. It's actually been a heck of a week. I don't know what you've been doing, but I've been traveling to the faraway land of Toronto, Canada. Oh wow. That's so majestic. All manner of majestic. Who were you visiting with? Tell the people. Dadmau Senko. Dadmau Senko. Did you call him that? No, I did not. I went with Joel. I figured that was pretty sick. Okay, cool. Yeah. Alright, so we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today. AMD announces Threadripper. Pretty sick name. The chip formerly known as Naples with a far more controversial name. What else we got? Well, Destiny 2 is going to be exclusively on Battle.net, which is actually kind of interesting because I believe before they were saying Steam or just open to everything. And WannaCry has only collected $92,000 in ransom, which considering the scope they're on is really not very much. We'll talk about that later. Wow, crazy. Wild. Fantastical. You almost stopped the whole thing. I'm actually like my brain is pretty tired. Like I did, I went three hours one way and three hours the other way and like. Which is like not enough to. 56 hours kind of thing. Like it's and like generally speaking, I handle the time zone shift pretty well, but I also was up till 3 a.m. Eastern time. No, Western. Western time still. So like. No, don't stop the stream. No, I'm not going to stop the stream. Savage. Thank you, Savage. Maybe you'll wake Linus up. Fresh books and also the tech carnival. Do you know how many tickets we sold for that? People ask me all the time and I'm like, I don't know, but I could. I could find out. Yeah, I could definitely find out. I'm going to ask sippi pee. I love that guy. He's awesome. All right. Well, why don't we jump? Do you want to? Yeah. Yeah. All every all is forgiven. Yeah. OK, so should I talk about my trip? Do you want to talk about what you've been up to this week or should we get into actual news? OK, because I want to know. So I signed an NDA. Oh, minute I walked into the studio. Really? Yes. What? So I can tell you that much. What? OK, I will tell you. I will tell you things that I'm allowed to tell you, because like here's the thing is like what's were you even working on? I guess you can't say his studio is like his house. So like, oh, so he doesn't want you to talk about like, so I, I like met people and like it was an NDA, but like the people that were there and the stuff that was there. And oh, yeah, like I thought it was an NDA, but what you're doing, I was like, I sort of think I know what you're doing and it's not that scary. It's an NDA of like making sure that you properly respect someone's privacy. Yeah. And you're not a public figure. Yeah. And that's totally makes sense. So there's a separate release that we're going to get signed for everything that we're publishing from the piece that we did. And then like he gets to sign off on it. But like basically what I can say is that Joel Zimmerman, AKA Deadmau5, super chill guy. We were supposed to be there from one until like the end of the workday. We didn't leave until the wee hours of the morning, just like shooting the shit and working on working on our video and just like, that's actually really cool. The guy is so there's, there's a huge difference between people that are famous for like, for like being famous, I guess, like socialites and people who are people who are famous for just like really, really caring deeply about their craft. And the guy's a gigantic geek. Like such a nerd. I've thought about getting his masterclass, not because I want to learn how to actually do that stuff because I would be horrible at it. We both know this. But I think it would just be interesting to watch because I like watching people that are that passionate about something just talk about it. Yep. And so it's, it's what's cool is that no matter how basic of a thing we were talking about, because for me, electronic music is like explained like I'm five pretty much. I don't know much about the scene. I don't know much about the artists. I had to, I confessed it to him. I was just like, so as part of my research and due diligence for this trip, I put you into Google play music and like listened to some of your music. I legitimately have listened to a lot of his stuff and probably everything. And the funny thing about it is he was just crazy chill about even, even like, like for me that's pretty embarrassing, but it's less embarrassing for me to admit it upfront. Right. Then for him to be like, you know, something, something, something. What do you think of this song? And me being like, Oh, is it one of yours? And it's like ghosts and stuff or something. Okay. Good reference. There you go. All right. Because Google play music conveniently sorts by popular. So like, so when, when, no. So when, um, when we were looking at some stuff that I can't talk about, but that is really cool. And it's going to be in the video. Like I recognized things. One song that was good. When we used to have lands, one song that we could play like on the speakers, because my parents and my friends and me all liked it was a dead most song. It was strobe. Okay. I don't know that one, but like, like it's, it's just kind of funny that like out of all the music between all the different genres that all the people liked that these like really big lands with lots of people that ended up being some dead most songs that were the easiest to play. So, so yeah, no, it was really fun. He's super cool. We spent the entire day there. And basically it's going to be like a studio tour, but not like most people would go in and do a studio tour with dead mouse. In fact, in some ways I think me not being a rabid fan boy probably helped us approach his studio a little bit differently. Cause I think, you know, what would a typical person do? They'd walk in, they'd be like, can you wear the hat? Right? That's kind of lame. And so, and I would actually specifically want him to not put the hat on. So instead, you know, we're looking at, ah, like, I don't know what I can say and what I can't say. I'm sure he'd be cool about it, but like we're looking at the tech behind how he does things. He even does like a short. So because I was like, okay, explain like I'm completely stupid, how electronic music works. And he actually does like a kindergarten level like demo, live demo, super cool. And just, it'll be, it'll be great for anyone like me. I am personally really stoked to watch this video. Electronic music is like that kind of like it's that, but what does that mean? And we get this very basic explanation of it. It's really awesome. That's cool. So what were you up to? I was grading projects. I was trying to finalize contracts with people about things. I was modernizing something that I'm not going to mention. What the heck else did I do? Meeting with multiple accountants about weird, really annoying stuff. One of which like wants me to, this is going to go a little bit too deep into personal stuff. Oh shoot. We called the stupid stream after party. Ah, well carry on. One of them, no, I told both of them that I'm a U S and Canadian citizen. And one of them like very aggressively wanted me to move to the States, renounce my Canadian citizenship and get convinced you guys that float planes should move to the States and all this kind of stuff. What? And like had a giant picture of Trump on his wall. It was a really weird meeting. A lot of weird stuff happened this week. That's probably how I'd frame that to be completely honest. But yeah, there you go. Okay. Sure. Okay, I actually tried out a really wicked keyboard. It's a pre-release keyboard from Wuting and we're making a video on it, but it's the optical key switches where it's like an analog gradient as you go down. So you can be like steering wheel driving with it. So we finally got one of those in. I think we requested one like ages ago. And they said they didn't want to send me an early one because they were like, we want to send you one when it's done so you can see it when it's ready. And it's still an early one because I asked forever ago, I think around like Computex last year. And yeah, so whatever. It's Wuting, like Wuting, not Wu-Tang. Did I say Wu-Tang? No you didn't. Yeah, okay. But Twitch chat it's like, Wu-Tang keyboard, no. No it's not a Wu-Tang keyboard. Get out of here. Hello is making the wings behind the scenes. He can go, he's dismissed. So this was originally posted on the forum by Doc Swag. I have more to talk about with Floatplane, but I was thinking of lining it up for when we do... Yeah, let's do it on the after party. Or not. Well I also want to line it up for when we do the little bit of a teaser thing. Okay, sure. Okay, alright. AMD... Oh, what? Oh, did we just... Oh, oh did we move the, we moved the HDMI doodads around. Hold on. What? I'll be right back. Okay, should I talk about it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. AMD will be introducing stuff called Threadripper, Ryzen Threadripper. They're... Sorry. They will have 16 cores and 32 threads. That's why they're called the Threadripper, which is just absolutely ridiculous. I believe there's a couple different... Yeah, there will be up to nine different Threadrippers. These are rumors. The 1998X and 1998 with 16 cores, the 1977X and 1977 with 14 cores, 1976X and 1956X and 1956 all have 12 cores, and then the 1955X and 1955 with 10 cores. Why are they making this so complicated? It's a little messy. Okay, it's really messy. But having it be AM4 and being able to get 16 cores is pretty sick. So this is all, this is all... Oh, so these are claims from WCCF Tech, just to be clear. Wait, hold on. And they're also saying that these Threadripper CPUs won't be compatible with the AM4 socket, which is 1,331 pins, but will demand a massive 4,094 pins. Does it have a picture of it? Was that the Epic thing that he was holding? That was Epic. Although it wouldn't surprise me. It wouldn't surprise me if Threadripper will look the same as Epic and fit in the same socket. So much like what Intel does with their high-end desktop, so their 2011 V3s, and their Xeon platform, which also fits in socket 2011 V3, I'm expecting AMD to have their Epic line of server chips, and their Threadripper line of high-end desktop and or workstation chips exist on the same socket. So that'll allow them to have more PCIe lanes, more pins for interfacing with more cores, up to I believe it is six channel memory? I'll try to find that. I read that wrong and thought it was on a different socket. Sorry, guys. Six, I can't remember. Is there eight channel memory or something stupid like that? I can't remember. It's eight channel memory actually now that I think about it. And then the other thing is that, okay, so what's interesting about this to me is that the way that Intel differentiates their Xeon processors on LGA 2011 V3 and their Core i7 processors on LGA 2011 V3 is a couple of things. And the main ones are dual socket support, so I would expect that that will continue to be a differentiator for AMD. But the other thing that Intel does to keep them separate from each other is support for ECC registered memory on Xeon. 16 channel DDR4 memory. 16 channel? I think that's 16 channels to the dual... wait, 16 channel? Wow, okay. Well, maybe Twitch chat is correcting me on that. Oh no, that's the epic. So that's the epic. So for 30, if you want 32 DIMMs. Yeah. So yeah. But if the epic is on the same platform. I guess that could be another way that they differentiate them. Right. So, yes, so rumor. Rumor there will be up to nine Threadrippers. I really, I kind of hope they just call them Ryzen 9 to make life a little bit easier. And I really am not sure what I think of these convoluted kind of names for them. The 1998 X and 1998. Tell me this. 16 cores on a desktop. What's the value here? If you want to run like four Lime Tech systems on one system. So I'll let you in on a little secret. I've chatted with the Lime Tech boys and so far virtualization on Ryzen is not a great experience. But go ahead, carry on. Okay. Streaming to a lot of places at one time. At a lot of different like output resolutions. Sure. And for some reason you don't have like a separate box handling that. Yeah. Okay. What else you got? Not much. But I'm sure. Amazing Cinebench. The best Cinebench. So we actually did a demo a little while ago. 3D rendering. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So like workstations. Workstation. But he wasn't saying workstation. Yeah. Because like I'm talking like competition with high-end desktop. Like to me, I'm kind of looking at Threadripper going, this seems like a very niche product right now. Because Ryzen 7 already goes all the way to the desktop. And Ryzen 7 already goes all the way up to eight quite high-performance cores. Yeah. Which for desktop workloads, like it's about like talking about how high-performance your SSD is when it requires Q-depths of 16 in order to even differentiate itself from a low-end SSD. Like that's what we're talking about. We're talking about a product with all this theoretical power, but that a desktop workload pretty much wouldn't touch. And to be clear, I am not complaining. The fact that AMD is coming in and putting pressure on Intel about core counts is great. But right now, I think the sweet spot is just six cores. So a lot of people in chat are naming a lot of things that you could do with it that aren't the scenarios that Linus is talking about. Sure. A lot of what people are listing are workstation stuff. I don't remember all of them. Oh, workstation stuff. One of them was like SETI at home and stuff. That's not a... Which is like, that's not necessarily workstation. No, but it's not really... It's more like a power virus. It's less like an actual thing that you're sitting at your computer doing. To be clear, it has a value, but most people... Remember, we're talking about... I don't like people saying cryptography and stuff. Who's actually doing that at home? I'm like, you're probably doing it with a GPU. And GPUs are a thing. Yeah. So another guy said Bitcoin mining, but again, I go with a graphics card. Or don't they have ASIC? Video rendering. I'm out of date on the whole Bitcoin thing. Jake's trying to convince me to do another Bitcoin piece. You still kind of just want to use your video card though. Yeah. Is it still just video cards? Okay. It's just like... I think I could be misinformed. So basically, what I see as being positive about this is that it's putting pressure on Intel to finally give us more than four cores, and it's putting... No, it's not, apparently. Apparently, I'm wrong. Oh, GPUs are not a thing? Well, no, they still are. But... Yeah, I'm not sure. Okay. Now let's talk about the chip formerly known as Naples. So here's what I don't get. Why is it that companies that have great code names like Zen Architecture and Naples product code name, which is inoffensive. Unaffensive? It's not offensive. What's offensive about Epic? It's stupid. Yeah, okay. It's like you're marketing this to data center professionals. Why are you calling it Epic? Why don't you just call it LEET while you're at it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You said inoffensive though. Okay, no, it's not. Like Epic isn't offensive. It's not offensive. It's just a little silly. To be clear, it's not like I necessarily have a better answer. And it's possible they would have wanted to call it Zen Server or something. I don't know what they wanted to call it. But there's always complications around trademark infringement and copyright and all that kind of stuff. So maybe that was the only thing left. But unless it stood for something really cool, then I don't really get this as an enterprise grade product. Now with that said, we gotta straw pull this because I was going back and forth with another journalist this morning actually in Twitter DMs. And we were kind of debating this whole thing. You know what? Okay, I'm not gonna say what side anybody was on. But it was Ian from AnonTech. We were chatting about it. And the other side of the argument that got brought up was, okay, well, hold on a minute. What if your typical data center purchaser goes home and watches anime and plays video games and thinks that things are epic? Is it really that far off? I don't think it would be that far off. Okay, so let's just straw pull this epic. At the same time, personally, if I was purchasing this, I would worry about this being on an invoice that I would be handing to someone. Okay, so- Because I would be like, maybe they just think I'm buying it because it's cool. It doesn't sound like, it sounds flashy and it sounds like something in Toys R' Us. It doesn't sound like serious infrastructure hardware. You know what I mean? Yeah, but with that said, it's not like some companies haven't had a ton of success with that. Oh, definitely. Your red cameras, the red dragon, the red epic while we're at it, the red weapon. Yeah, but then at least they spelt it right. But seriously, I feel like you'd be more positive about this if they put an I there instead of a Y. Like would you like it more if it was spelt right? Because a big part of your defense this whole time is that it's been silly. I'm going to be honest, no. I wouldn't like it better. Now that they've gone down the path of Ryzen being RY- Okay, so every, the second letter just always has, nope, that's not even the second one. The I's. Okay. RYs. So lame. And like, it, well, yes. I hate that. But if you're going to do it, then do it. I got you. I got you. I just hate that. Okay. So, so far most folks are saying- And that makes sense because I'm on the unprofessional to neutral side of things. I don't really care, but a part of me would be like, ugh, like I might have to defend this to someone because they're going to be like, why did you buy something called an epic? Why are you buying epic processors? Yeah. Like we just need some infrastructure stuff. What are you doing? And I'd have to be like, ugh, Kay, like look at this stuff. Epic is really good because it has a lot of threads and it's cheaper and it has a lot of memory bandwidth. And then by then their eyes glaze over and hopefully they just sign off on PO. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, okay, everything's fine. But like that was an unnecessary amount of communication that had to happen. Yeah. And you know, like the stupid thing is like, we're probably going to, we're probably, we're probably going to all like, agree that it doesn't matter anymore in a number of years. But someone named Linus Rockin Mandels in the chat, I don't know what's going on there, but said no, because Intel owns the I letter for processors. And like, obviously like they don't own it, but that's an interesting point. They might be trying to stay away from the eye in anything. There are lots of words that don't have eyes in them. Yeah. Like blind. What? I'm joking. What? I'm genuinely confused. No eyes. Oh, oh, oh, you can have eyes and be blind though. Twitch is booing so hard. It's just like boo. But that doesn't even make sense because you can be blind with eyes still. You don't have to like have your eyes have been removed to be blind. Oh, I'm terrible. Yeah, I should just end it all now. Oh my God. Okay. So at any rate, that was brutal. Let's talk about the chip formerly known as Naples. Okay. I was right. Eight channel DDR for 16 channel DDR for one of these articles. So single now known as Epic single socket processor scales up to 32 cores. And as far as I know, there will be dual socket variants as well. Oh, that's fancy. Are we getting, are we getting some? I have, I am in touch. They want to know. So, so basically what, what, I don't know how much of this I can say. Okay. What I can say, I can talk generally about server hardware. Generally speaking, if someone's going to see you server hardware, they're going to be like, what are you going to do with this? Because if my answer is we're going to run in a bench, they're going to be like, cool, go buy one then. So if we come up with, for me, I want to come up with a really cool project. So I want a couple of 32 core epics for a total of 64 cores. And I want to figure out something completely banane that we can do with it. So assuming that they- What about speed transcoding YP9 8K footage? Sure dog. Like you, so there's that. That would be really cool. I had another idea. That would be fun. Um, is, oh, is that like something that you, so does the- That would be wonderful for full plane. Is full plane scale with more CPU cores basically infinitely? Uh, there's, we're still talking to Boiler about it. Boiler wants to do this thing, which completely makes sense. And I'm totally on board, but we can't do it right now because we don't have the infrastructure right now. But it's like distributed transcoding where you like slice up the video and then transcode it in a bunch of different places on a bunch of different servers with a bunch of different cores. But if we had a 64 core machine, would that be unnecessary? Maybe do it in one place. Right. I don't know. It's still, I was talking to Boiler. I think basically it's like 30 times harder. Yeah, because key frames- But then if you just have like a monstrous computer- Then maybe. YOLO. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So I'd be totally down for that. Okay. And then one of the ideas that I wanted to look at is- Boiler, talk to me. If they've got, if they've got virtualization sorted out a little bit more, and to be specific, I'm talking about KVM. So Red Hat KVM, because that's what Unraid uses. I think it would be amazing to get my hands on like a multi-GPU barebone server, much like what we did for 10 gamers, 1 CPU. And Boiler's just like, yes! And get this. What I'm thinking is the entire editing den running off of one tower. Six editing, six 10 core editing workstations off of a single tower. Nice. So that's kind of something that I have in mind for what I'd like to do with it. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna try and come up with some cool projects, but yeah. Basically it's, this, this thing is unbelievable. So eight core memory, up to 16 GIMP's per CPU. They've got, Epic provides up to 128 PCI Express 3.0 lanes, allowing you to connect more GPU's directly to the CPU, and that's really important for machine learning type applications. We've got our unboxing of SFU's, the fastest supercomputer in Canada. So I went down there and they've got, they've got a ton of GPU nodes and they would love to have the GPU's connected directly to the PCIe lanes on the CPU. In fact, we were talking about that for, it's in my notes, but I don't remember exactly what workload specifically it was, where inter GPU communication is incredibly important and the more hubs that you have to pass through the worse. And then I even talked to, that's so cool talking to like these high level architect guys. I'm like, okay, well what about NVLink? And he's like, yeah, the cost just wasn't right for what we're doing. And it's all these kinds of trade-offs where normally as a consumer, you hear about this crap and you've got Nvidia on a stage with fricking wood screws and whatever it is that they're talking about going, this is the future of blah, blah, blah. But then, you know, to us that this is all totally unattainable stuff. Whereas you're talking about people who are working on data centers that are in the value of 10 to 20 million dollars, where they are actually taking like a $2 million solution and a $3 million solution and evaluating it the same way that we would like two different laptops. But that they're just working on a different scale. It's all the same conversations. It's like, do I want to pay this much more for this much more performance increase? And they just, for their design, it didn't end up making sense. And it was going to add some cost. And I don't know the exact numbers, so there's no like NDA'd information that I could hope to give you. I just know that they didn't use it and they opted for these, they opted for certain GPU nodes. Some of the GPU nodes for certain workloads are connected directly to the CPUs and some of them are not. Depending on what they're needed for and these ones are higher cost. I was just like, oh cool. That's pretty fancy. You guys are so baller, I love you. So Epic is expected to launch before the end of June. You can tell AMD is in full on crisis mode about their stock dropping, what was it, two weeks ago. Oh my goodness, we have so much stuff coming. We have stuff, please just wait. We have so much stuff. Even Radeon Technologies Group was showing off stuff, so this was originally posted by PC Gamer 324 on the forum. The original article here is from, oh, did I say three? Okay, oh digital trends, here we go. AMD's Radeon Vega Frontier Edition is the most powerful graphics card yet according to AMD. Alright. So, the numbers put forth by AMD are as follows. It'll have 64 next generation compute units, so that's 13 teraflops of peak single precision 32-bit compute performance, which should put it in the neighborhood of Nvidia's top cards. I think their top card is 12, and that's a Quadro P6000, don't quote me on that, but I'm trying to look this up as quickly as I can. Quadro P6000, yeah, 12 teraflops for their top of the line Quadro, which is about a $5,000 graphics card. What else do we know about it? I wasn't sure about all the stuff you said because I was checking in with something. 16 gigs of HBM2 memory, so that's pretty impressive on a super wide 2048-bit bus. Have you shown them the Shroud? The Shroud looks freaking sick. AMD finally gets it on the Shroud, although if it's like plastic and kind of cheesy looking, then I really don't know if that's going to be that impressive. To be fair, the last one that came out that was plastic and cheesy looking, once it was in a case, it was actually a little hard to tell. Right. Okay, fair enough. It's still not amazing, but it wasn't that bad. So they're saying that Vega's memory architecture can access terabytes of memory, and we've actually seen them kind of move beyond the memory that's like HBM2 or GDDR memory that is soldered to the board. And what was that professional card that was using SSDs, like it was using NAND in order to have, I forget how much memory it was on it. I don't remember. I'm sorry, you guys. I wish I had a more exact set of talking points for this, but they were showing it off at CES. And the idea was that they were using NAND flash in order to dramatically increase the amount of, basically the size of the project that you could work on, because it's still faster since you've got a nice lightning fast interface than trying to go out to like a scratch disk or something. So apparently AMD is claiming that they've done several benchmarks with it, and the Vega Frontier Edition is apparently 70% faster in SOLIDWORKS. Okay. Which is like pretty insane. Another program that I haven't personally heard of called CATIA, I'm hoping I'm saying that correctly, it's 27% faster. Okay. Which is pretty wild. I mean, AMD has been known from time to time. Sorry, I didn't mean to get an ice cube in my mouth from now. Okay, it's gone now. So AMD has been known to cherry pick benchmarks from time to time, but still, it's promising. And like that happened last time, you just reorganized it and controls it. That happened last time with their CPUs to a certain degree, but then a big part of what they're claiming did end up being true. That's right. And what we do know based on that it's not getting completely stomped on is that we're going to have competition, at least until Nvidia trickles down Volta. But with their CPU, what they were claiming did completely end up being true. So if you're into SOLIDWORKS, there's one really cool thing that just happened. But again, it depends on how you're benchmarking that specifically, what kind of projects you're working on. That's fair. What you have in SOLIDWORKS at that time. This is basically the AMD show at this point. Laptops are coming. Ryzen Mobile, Ryzen Pro, the original article is Trusted Reviews. Let's go ahead and pull that up. Don't worry, we'll get through this eventually. Ryzen finally comes to laptops. This I'm actually excited about. I would love to have like a six or an eight core laptop. That would be awesome. I don't know if they're going to be able to get the power low enough, and I haven't actually looked that closely at this yet, but like six core laptop would be freaking awesome. AMD is claiming 50% more CPU performance than its previous seventh generation APUs, lordy, I would hope so. Yeah. A lot of these claims are a little whimsical, I think, because they're from kind of older stuff. So 40% better graphics performance and a 50% cut in power, but you're jumping quite a few categories. Quite a few generations of improvement that Intel's been making. So they might not be leapfrogging Intel, but I guess the promise here is that they're going to be competitive. And then they also announced Ryzen Pro, a version designed for business PCs. Wow. So much AMD news. Which is actually kind of weird. Like I get it, pro, professional, but for a long time pro has been like a gaming thing. Yeah, like higher, just like higher performance. Yeah. So that's actually a little bit weird. But oh well. I feel like Ryzen's smart, or even just Ryzen business would have been cool. So did it help them to kind of announce all this stuff? Kind of looks like it. I mean they haven't quite recovered from, this was when they did their quarterly earnings report, right? Yeah, I believe so. Well, yeah, we'll see how that goes. I mean, I don't know what, here's the thing. I don't know what people were expecting from that quarterly earnings report. Like if I invested- It was fairly accurate to what they guessed. If I invested in tech companies, I would actually love to know what our viewers think. Should I be allowed to invest in tech companies? Because I'd love to. Are you? I'm allowed to, but I have to disclose it. Okay. Yeah. But it's a matter of whether they will allow me to. But I would have probably bought some AMD right after that drop, because the drop was based on people having completely unrealistic, an unrealistic reaction to what AMD's been doing over the last quarter. It's like Ryzen 7 and even Ryzen 5 are the tip of the iceberg, you guys. That's like the enthusiast gamer chip, and then the slightly less enthusiast gamer chip, where they're gonna move volume is Ryzen 3, and where they're gonna make margin and start to be profitable is gonna be products like Threadripper and Epic. So yeah, I don't know what people were asking for there. Not only that, but you know, any new product is gonna take some time to ramp up in terms of yields, in terms of having stock on the shelves, in terms of the platform maturing a little bit. I don't know if you guys noticed, but you didn't hear from us, run out and buy Ryzen in the first six weeks, because it was promising, and we were confident that AMD and their partners like Asus and Gigabyte and MSI, we were confident they were gonna get all this stuff addressed. But it wasn't yet, and when you buy a computer, it needs to work on the day you buy it. So I mean, a lot of people criticized us for doing a Core i5 build guide shortly after the launch of Ryzen, but the reality of it was, when we were filming that, we weren't ready to say, go buy a Ryzen PC yet. Now to be clear, it has improved a lot. Like a lot. So I am expecting over the next quarter or two, these kinds of results to change in a big way. Sorry. Oh, no problem. Oh, they want me to do a straw poll. Okay, you know what? I'm gonna do a straw poll. Whether I should be allowed to invest in tech companies. See, like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. So to be clear, I actually, oh, this is something I've been meaning to talk about on Wanshow for quite some time. We are working on a private deal with a much, much smaller tech company, so maybe I'll talk about it after our ad break. But I'm- What is actually bad about that? Well, it creates a potential conflict of interest. Like if I- Oh, yeah, then yeah. If I own a bunch of Nvidia stock- As a viewer, because I thought we were looking at the insider trading side of things. No, I don't think that's an issue, because I can just not buy when I know anything. And that's pretty easy to do, because I think if you were to just go, okay, the embargo's up, three minutes later, now that everyone knows all the same things I know, go buy. Go buy. I mean, you could kind of beat the rush on that kind of thing if you wanted to. Is it an advantage? Yes, but is it against the law as far as my understanding goes? No, it wouldn't be. Right. If I were a viewer, I would say no. You would say no. Everyone else says yes. Go ahead and cast your vote. So for me, where I've kind of drawn the line already, because like I said, we are working on an investment deal with a really, really small company. So where I kind of draw the line is that if it's stuff that we cover the competitors of, like if it's stuff where it's kind of one option or the other, and where I'm in a position to inflate the appearance of, let's say, Intel versus AMD. So would you be declaring in every single video that you cover this one mono company on, I'm saying mono because you're not covering other ones in its space, that you have ownership? No, I think- Because to a certain degree, that makes every single video an ad. Yeah, I think the disclosure regulations are such that you talk about it only in the context of talking about that company. 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And enter the WAN show in the how do you hear about us section. All right, ah yes. Oh nice. It's savage jerky time. Yay. I get Reaper again? Well you don't have to eat Reaper, you could have the ghost pepper buffalo sauce. I'm gonna do ghost pepper buffalo sauce today. Really? Yeah, I'm doing it. Which one's hotter, I don't remember. Is that six or five? This one, take that one. No. I'm not taking the Reaper. I don't want to do the Reaper. This one's your favorite one, right? No, no, all of my, the maple bacon one. The maple bacon one. Ah, maple bacon's favorite. Yeah, the maple bacon one. I just ate it all after the show. I really like the Mojo Habanero, that's my favorite one. Good amount of spice. You can tell it's like the second or third savage jerky spot, when it's like the stuff that we absolutely cannot resist is just all gone. Okay. Well, this is my favorite one, but he hid it from me. So I couldn't have any more of it. Are you good so far? You had the ghost pepper. So you didn't have quite the hottest one. This one's actually still sealed. The ghost pepper and buffalo sauce is hot enough for me. But basically- Jake, you want some ghost pepper? Jake does really good with spice. I would probably throw up. He's very spice tolerant. All right, so savage jerky. See, that one, where'd it go? Mojo Habanero gives you a bit of a kick, but it's not doing that to me. Like, I feel good. It woke me up a little bit. It's definitely spicy. It definitely hits you. My mouth is burning, but it's like an okay amount of burning. I'm not having uncontrollable hiccups. I get hiccups when stuff's spicy. So you can buy a mix. You can get like cracked pepper and sea salt and a few other ones and find your sweet spot like I did with Mojo Habanero. Now, to be clear, all of it is good. It's just what you can handle. So savage jerky is made with the best ingredients without nitrates or preservatives. And the goal was to create a snack that's full of flavor and spice that isn't bad for you. The inspiration came from the flavor of garlic, lime, and cilantro as it brings out the natural flavor in premium beef. And this is in my notes. People seem to love the Sriracha bacon, maple buffalo bacon, and the traditional flavors. They also make barbecue sauce. Wow, I had no idea. That's cool. So use offer code LTT to save 10% over at savagejerky.com. The cracked pepper and sea salt is like a really good but more traditional style beef jerky. Yeah, the problem with that one is that you can rip through a whole packet in like two minutes. Yeah. So yeah, if you want to like troll your friends and get a ghost pepper or reaper or something like that, it works. Or you might just like it. If you have your first bite, it's actually easier. It gets a little bit easier. Yeah, that's get easier. All right. It's also when you stop though. Because it gets easier after the first bite and then for a while. But then when you stop eating it, then it hits you again. So LTX. LTX is the tech carnival that we're doing in the summer. We're going to have booths, games, prizes, and us. The whole LMG team will be there. A few examples of the kinds of booths that we're going to have. We wanted it to be just kind of goofy. So it's going to be stuff like, guess how many CPUs are in the jar? Video editing with Taron. Yeah. Like the jelly bean thing. But like CPUs. I think FreeGeek is probably going to be in front of it. OK, yeah. So they'll be there with like, you know, just some. Oh, FreeGeek is going to be there. Maybe, maybe. TBD. But like we're in talks with actually a lot of pretty cool folks. One other example would be the case toss. So we're going to get a case manufacturer to give us some cases. Is that nailed down now? Not exactly who, but someone's going to do it. OK, OK. Because I'm pretty excited about that. And I know there's a few people that are pretty excited about that. We're going to do like a VR with Luke demo. So basically you'll be like kind of showing people the end of the VR. Oh, that's exciting. That's cool. I've been wondering this whole time what I was going to do. Yeah. That's really cool. And then Taron's probably going to be doing like, he'll have an LTT video and he'll just be working on it the whole time. So you can actually watch Taron edit. You can ask him questions. That's been a great idea. We're not expecting him to actually get anything done because people will be like blah, blah, blah. But like if people want to see how it's done in person, I thought that would be really cool. We're just going to like pick up his workstation and take it there. So we've got a lot of really cool ideas. There's at least a few hundred people coming so far. So it's not going to necessarily be like over a thousand people and crazy, but that may actually be a blessing in disguise because at least that way we're going to be covering with like a significant title sponsor. We should be able to cover most of the cost of the venue already. And it'll actually, it could end up being a pretty intimate event. Although now that I say that, everyone's like, oh yeah, I want to go to an infinite event. So no guarantees. How many people are going on your limo ride? I think that's sold out. Whoa. Ten. Yeah. Cool. I think that happened faster than I expected. I thought at when I first read that, that by the limo, they meant the civic. No, no, I really was like, oh, that's too many people. Yeah. Yeah. Ten people in my civic would be like pretty intimate as that goes. All right. I want to talk about this. WannaCry collects basically no ransom despite infecting 200,000 machines. So the deadline is, uh, is beginning to pass here. The original article is from Bloomberg. I have a theory. Um, and apparently the attackers have claimed only about $92,000 in payments. Huh. How about that? So my theory is if this happened like a number of years ago, like when I was still in high school, I think it would have actually been a lot more impactful because now I think if people like have a baby now or get engaged now, all their photos go up on social media. So it's not their one backup that's on their computer. And I think what they ran into here was if people had super important stuff, the 300 bucks was not good, but probably not the end of the world. And then other people are like, oh, well, this is a fairly major inconvenience, but I can go get my computer reformatted and everything's fine because everything I do is in a browser. Notice how they're releasing computers. They're like almost just browsers these days. So like for a lot of people, it's like, oh, what the heck is this? They show it to some techie friend or they bring it to geek squad. They're just like, oh yeah, we can do it cheaper than that ransom price anyways, but we have to do some stuff. And then people that are like, oh my goodness, this is mission critical information, 300 bucks for like a big business sucks, but like not the end of the world. So if even 1% of people had paid the ransom, it would have worked out to over six times the amount they actually collected. So I feel like almost no Joe Schmoe has actually paid for it. And it gets worse because of the attention on this particular case. The authorities think it's unlikely the monies the attackers have received will be transferred from Bitcoin to more traditional currencies due to the risk of it being detected. With that said, there's a lot of stuff you can buy with Bitcoin. So I don't think that's as big a problem as some people might. Yeah, but they could still track that to a certain degree. Right? I guess that's true. Like that money is sketched. Depending on, but okay, but they might buy very illegitimate things, scatter it around and then. What up? Yeah, no, yeah, it should be fine. Oh, really? Apparently people sell like mixing it up and obscuring it as a service. That's cool. I don't know enough about Bitcoin. Why do you know this? Go away. Jake is secretly running Silk Road three right now out of his house. He told me this offline. Great. Yeah. Yeah. Jake, can I have a favor? Yeah. Can I have more water, please? You have to pay him in Bitcoin through his secret onion website. Thank you. I'm dying. Thank you. And ice too. Thank you. Ice is a different transaction. If you say thank you, lots of it's okay. Is that how that works? Yeah. I like have like mucus. How are you doing? Yeah. I can hear the, oh, your throat's even red here. Well, that's probably from, I always have a red neck. Okay. Yeah. I was born in the sticks. Oh, okay. So you need milk. I don't think we just have milk. Yeah, we don't, unfortunately. And yes, I know milk works a lot better than water. So this was originally posted on the forum by WMGroomAK and the original article is from the tech report. Optane DIMMs and companion CPUs will arrive in 2018. So if you haven't been paying attention to this, Optane DIMMs are going to be super high capacity modules that will fit in- I'm kidding, I'm kidding. It's fine. Much better. Super high capacity modules that will fit in otherwise normal RAM slots as far as I know. So Optane DIMMs will be a special BIOS configuration that allows you to use it as a slower kind of- So if you got your level one cache and your level two cache, your level three cache, I'll guess in some cases there's level four, but don't worry about it. Then your next tier is DRAM and then traditionally your next tier was NAND, but it's like many orders of magnitude slower. So Optane sits in between and what this will allow you to do is have massive effective memory capacity for your system without needing so many DIMM slots and without spending so much. So when we were checking out SFU's supercomputer, one of the things that they told us was that- Oh, okay, their systems that needed one and a half terabytes of memory had to be 2U just so they could fit all those RAM slots. Then the systems that were going to be used for workloads that needed even more memory than that, the three terabyte memory systems of which I think they only have four, had to be 4U systems with quad sockets, but get this, the quad socket CPUs they were using were eight cores. So their quad socket systems actually had the same number of cores as their dual 16 core socket systems or their dual socket 16 core systems, so 32 total. Because the only reason they needed it was so they could have more RAM. So this could solve that problem as long as the workloads that they're using are okay with the data being a little bit slower, but not as slow as trying to put it on NAND flash. Someone just asked me what I'm eating. We literally just did a sponsor spot. It's Savage Jerky. I'm just still eating their stuff. Another cool thing is that they're saying that it's supposed to be cheaper, lower prices than DRAM. Yes, much cheaper than DRAM. Which usually happens with new technologies over time. It's not super common for that to happen with a new technology right out of the gate. So that's pretty cool. But it's intended to be because it's designed to be an order of magnitude bigger than DRAM, but also a lot cheaper to sit right in between NAND and DRAM. Which is super cool. I'm super excited to see where this takes us in the future. Oh, I realized I should probably talk about the deal that we are working on. So, we've been working with LimeTech, makers of Unraid, for a year and a half now, I think. Going all the way back to, oh no, because 7 Gamers 1 CPU was a year and a half ago. So it would have been closer to two years now, I guess. Wow, really? Anyway, so we've worked with them on a number of projects. We use their software. And I like it so much that basically what we're working on is an agreement where I would actually take a stake in the company and I would be working with them on future development. We've seen it in action in terms of where it's at today, but I think that there's a lot of stuff that we could help with that would make it so that they could really take things to the next level. So basically, that's where I'm at on that. Nothing is finalized, so I can't really give any more detail than that, but I just thought in the interest of you guys understanding sort of what we're up to over here, I want to make sure that that's clear. The reason that I was comfortable with LimeTech, even though I have specifically gone out of my way to not buy shares in companies like AMD and Intel, is that we don't really cover their competitors. I mean, not just in the last two years, but even if you go back a couple years before that, we basically don't touch NAS systems. And the reason for that is because we just don't really like most of them. We don't think they're user-friendly. We don't think they're that easy to use, which is the same thing. We tried. That's the main reason that I don't like them. I tried. And quite frankly, viewer interest is not that high. And a lot of the stuff that we've done with Unraid has really been more about the other functionality that it has. So the virtualization and stuff like that. So yeah, that's basically where I'm at on that. So what else do we got? I mean, we got actually a lot of topics this week. Deezer, Scraphead Wars. Yeah, I'm down. How are we going to do that again? Jump to random part. Okay. So I don't know how to do... Oh, you know what, I never figured out the audio input. So that's a thing that I didn't do. Let's go ahead and pull up. How did we do it last time? I held up the laptop to the microphone, which was terrible. So... That might be the only way to do this. Well, it's not the only way, but it's the only way that I can do... Why can't you listen to it over HDMI? Right now, because I don't know either these don't take audio or... Go to it, right click on it. What? Yeah. Go to cam real quick. Go to cam, yeah. Change the audio from built in slash none to the recorder that you want it to come from. Nevermind, there they go. See what would I do without you? What would I do without you? Probably a lot of the same stuff. It just wouldn't be as fun. Or it's good. Yeah. Yeah, Luke. So, Scrapyard Wars, season five, episode one is... So hopefully this works....up already over on Flow Playing Club. Welcome to season... Oh, hold on. Well, you got playback devices. Oh, I can't hear that in my monitor, which is super scary because I have no idea what kind of volume I'm outputting at. So I'm sure Twitch chat will be telling me if I broke their eardrums. If you plugged it into the computer directly, you would hear it. Yeah, in theory, that's how this is supposed to work, but I forgot which one I'm supposed to plug into because I'm really, really dumb. Apparently they can hear it. It's a little bit too loud. Okay, well then... Most people are saying it's good though. The vast majority of people are saying it's good. So go like a little bit down and then... Okay, so we'll call that good. So you just want to skip to a 45 minute episode, actually 46 minute episode. Do you just want to skip to a random spot? Sure, I don't even know what's going to come up. Okay. Why are we watching in 360p? That's peasant stuff. Peasant stuff. Do you see that playback? Do you see that lightning fast playback? Hold on, hold on. Stop. Here, here, listen for the click. Oh! One of the things too is that West Coast North America is like not even a good area for us. We're going to be $25 over. I don't even know what we're doing here. Me neither. $25 over. Oh, do we not have the preview working for such long clips yet? I guess maybe. Interesting. That was sort of makes sense. There's a report. So it's two drives for 10 bucks? I wonder what we're figuring out here. It looks suspenseful. Oh, yeah, yeah, I know what that is. I know what's going on. I know what's going on. Okay, okay, okay. So that's enough. So basically, what was the point of this? So Scrapyard Wars episode one is coming out that right there. It's coming out on YouTube tomorrow. If you want to see episode two tomorrow, you can sign up for Float Plane and you can see that today, episode one today, and then watch episode two tomorrow and be totally caught up on the Float Plane side of things. Also, really cool note, this is what I wasn't sure about telling you guys last time. We now have some load balancing going on with geos. So a lot of people in Australia and the kind of general European area have noticed a lot of improvements. That's because we have some like kind of more on location servers for you guys up and running with some load balancing going on. Do you want to say where they are? Yeah, Australia and... So Australia and the other ones in France, but it should be able to better serve you than ones in Canada. So yeah, a lot of people from various countries around Europe have had a much better experience than before when everyone was just going through Canadian servers. We are going to continue to expand. So if you're in an area that like isn't super great right now, ironically, where we are is like not the greatest. It's good. You just watch the playback. Yeah, it's good. It could be slightly better and it will be slightly better because we will eventually have West Coast servers. But yeah, if you're in an area and you are consistently not getting super great bandwidth, I'm not hearing this very often, almost not at all. But if you are, let me know where you're from and we will look into getting that better. To be clear, like the infrastructure upgrades we're making right now have nothing to do with capacity for the platform. No. Like there's a lot more people on it than you would probably think, but it's not like a billion people or anything like YouTube or something. It's more just trying to make user experience better. Yeah. I mean, this is the kind of boring stuff that takes months to work on and figure out before you want to launch and like bring a bunch of other creators. Yeah, and it's frustrating when like we're an international group and we have people from North America watching all the footage and they're like, everything looks great. I can watch 1080p, it's snappy, hooray. And then someone from Australia is like, I have to download it. Or like I can sometimes watch it in 360p. And I'm like, that's not fair. People watch us from everywhere. I want this to work well for everyone, even if it costs us more. And that just does. So we're actually going to do like a more float plane, another float plane Q&A after the WAN show if you guys want to kind of hang around for that. Otherwise, I think we've got a few more pretty good topics for you. Anyways, one quick thing. Actually, no, we have like nothing. Oh wait, no, we do have more. There's also a little teaser of episode two on float plane only. So if you're a float plane guy and you haven't been on there in a couple days, jump on there, check out the teaser for Scrapper Wars episode two. It's pretty good. What? Huh. So actually, I did not know about this. So this was posted by WMGroomAK on the forum, the original article is from Ars Technica. And it looks like Google gets to keep their trademark even though it has turned into a generic term for searching the web. So going back to our notes here, when a brand name becomes completely ubiquitous, like Thermos, I didn't even know Teleprompter was a brand name. Me neither. And Videotape didn't know that was a brand name. Oh my goodness, me neither. Google can lose its legally protected status. So this process is called genericide. And in 2012, Google filed a cyber-squatting complaint and claimed trademark infringement when a man registered 763 domain names that combined Google with other words and phrases, including GoogleDonaldTrump.com. Oh, what a jerk. I see what he was doing there. So the man filed an appeal citing genericide and the court ruled that Google still retains its trademark even if the term Google has become known for searching the internet. So how does that actually work though? I have no idea. I mean, John would be a more sort of sensible person to talk about this. Hey, hey, hey, John. He's coming. He's coming. All right, I'm giving up my seat. I'm giving up my seat. Okay. John's coming in to talk about genericide. John, genericide. Oh, all right. This thing, eh? Okay. Hit me. Or Luke. Hit something. Yeah. There you go. Good job. What's up, Twitch? What's happening? So genericide, Google almost potentially lost its trademark on Google because like, oh, I'll just Google it has become a general term for looking something up on the internet. Someone sued them over it because they tried to take down a bunch of his domains and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he was like, okay. So you used a lot of pronouns there. Okay, let's see. In 2012, Google filed a cyber-squatting complaint and claimed trademark infringement when a man registered 763 domain names that combined Google with other words and phrases such as GoogleDonaldTrump.com. The man filed an appeal citing genericide. The court ruled that Google still retains its trademark even if the term Google has become known for searching the internet. So how does that work? Even though Google has become known for searching the internet, isn't that the whole point of genericide? It is. Genericide is kind of, it's not a hard and fast rule. It's not like, oh, after a certain amount of time or a certain number of people say it in a generic manner, it becomes generic. It's a little bit squishy. But they do look at things like, and I don't know what happened in this case because I just have the one little note in front of me, but they could have looked at something like, oh, has Google taken a lot of steps to protect its trademark? You know, back in the day before, when photocopiers were still like more of a cutting edge thing than they are now, people would say, oh, Xerox it, you know, to make a copy even though there were tons of copiers not made by Xerox, right? So Xerox actually took out like a big newspaper ad saying, or telling people, say make a copy. Don't say Xerox it because they were trying to protect their trademark. So if Google, maybe Google showed that they were taking active steps to protect their trademark. Maybe it also helps them because Google puts their Google branding on way more things than just a browser. They do, yeah. That might help. I have no idea. Yeah, maybe. Like I said, it's kind of a squishy area of law. I'm not surprised that Google won. It takes like quite, yeah, I mean, just aside from the money they have to spend, it takes a lot for a trademark to become generic. So yeah, yeah. So there we go. Cool. That's it. I think that's it. Okay. Carry on, gentlemen. Yep. I'm back. The FAA's drone registry requirement got shot down. The original article is from TechCrunch. Let's go ahead and pull that up. But basically a federal appeals court shoots down the FAA's drone registry requirement. It's likely that the FAA will appeal this decision or take some other approach, which seems to be very common in the states with stuff like net neutrality being tried like a billion times under a billion different names. So drone hobbyist John Taylor argued that the Federal Aviation Administration doesn't have jurisdiction over what the law classifies as model aircraft. The registration database was proposed in 2015 to address growing drone ownership in the US, which has brought with it privacy and safety concerns. So there, that's basically where we're at on that. So stay tuned for more. And yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. Winners of the Case Mod World Series 2017 posted by Rod Rosenberg on the forum. Man, I hate that guy. Was it Rod? Did he win? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if Rod won. Did he post his own winning? Let's see. No, no. It doesn't look like it. Was he in it or was he a judge? Yeah. I don't... I have a feeling he has something to do with this. I'm just trying to find like a... Oh, okay. No, there's no BS mods. Maybe he says something in the link. Yeah, I can't click on it though. Okay, so the first winner was... Oh no, I think he just thinks it's cool. That's cool. Vega by S-Pic Russia? Wow. Yes, Russia. No, no, not FPS Russia. That's a different thing, but good try. Good try. Thank you, Nick. It looks cool. That's apparently made out of a Master Case 5. It looks like they just chopped it like pretty early on. Completely unrecognizable. And just used like... Well, no, the very bit at the front, this bit is recognizable and then that's it. Then it stops. Undergoes a complete structural change. Yeah, we noticed the complete structural change. We did notice that. Pretty intense. Yeah. Like, hey, here's a case. We'll just take the top quarter of it. You can take the rest. We don't need it. Not a big deal. That's awesome. What is that based on? That's pretty cool. Like a stacker or something? Futuristic ideas and metal. An Elite 130. Okay, yeah, I can see that. Cool. PSU on the side. Just put the PSU over there. It seems to be kind of open. Like, you can see the graphics card. Yeah, that's actually pretty neat. It's actually pretty cool. It looks really good. Yeah. All right, and that's pretty much it. Thank you for tuning into the WAN Show. We will see you again next week. Same bat time, same bat channel. Did it outro? Oh. Yeah, I'm really not firing all cylinders today. That's cool. Actually, I am. I'm just in other places. What's up? Someone's like, finally a good WAN Show episode. Good job, guys. I'm surprised. That was decent. We're still on this. Yeah, last week sucked, but I thought the one before that was pretty good. Yeah. Oh, oh. The after party for last week was wonderful.