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This is crazy Finally moving forward in terms of minimum specification requirements 50% of steam users I mean more discussion on that of course when that actually happens in the show the GPU wars rage on just in general We have news on each of each side attacking me and then T Mobile data roaming in a hundred countries. I think yeah 95% of where people are gonna be traveling I mean that is such a game changer guys not that's not like it's not quite. I mean it's You'll that is so without let's get this going I Have difficulty today What happened about this so I Just want to take a moment to thank our sponsor square space for sponsoring the show today They have been phenomenally generous with the WAN show over the last few months actually guys So if you want to take advantage of a special deal, unfortunately, we don't as last month with 20% off of Of your first sort of your first paid Membership, I'm a little bit The lower third that has the offer code on it. 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Okay, it should be good Well, I wasn't you're watching Alright we should be all good So the so back to the back to the gang drone. Okay. Well for me the problem with this has has as much to do with that That they're doing it wrong. I mean they're calling it leet but the spelling L 337 yeah, that drew me kind of crazy to I mean, I mean, okay So they're taking leet speak and they're applying grammatical correctness to it. It's like well, this is the name and so it should be capitalized Yeah, I know Is it technically a capital one right? Oh, no Thinking about it. Oh my god. So I okay Scheme for the board. You know what? Honestly, it's pretty unexceptional looking. It's not like we've never seen an Orangey cup and it's not even really gold Me to be perfectly honest when you compare this to two spots look gold and the caps look But the big heat is this what is this plate right here? I know Like what is this do is it taller than Little height ram. It looks like it's about the same height as your memory Like they're probably marketing it as like a heat shield or something. Well, cuz I was wondering if it might Interfere because I thought it might be I can't really tell if it in The colors that would be hilarious. I mean it looks like it looks like more of like an airflow shield to me and this looks like an extra Looking at a board Not a lot of there's not a lot of components on it. You know, where's the beefy VRM? You know, where's the right angle looks like this is really marketed to well, you know 12 year olds asking their parents for a new game and You know, oh, it's called the gank drone. So Old and stuff. So it must be Not to talk smack Anyone but the cold hard truth of it is guys. I can't think of a compelling reason to buy Call me You You're the Linus why why boxing of this? other thing Often don't know what to say because I can't publish You you ecs is not one of those they have a computer you in certain price segments and Product bands. So for example, they have their their low-end products do incredibly well in some developing market America, this is true But a gaming motherboard I Covered there like I covered their booth at Computex and when going through it I knew no one was aware about the business sector motherboards that they have so I didn't bother covering them but that was an interesting part. Yes, they're an OEM. I covered the gaming section motherboards as well. I mean, I asked for very particular things on moving an inordinate volume of boards in order to put the R&D resources required into delivering those things in order to even achieve that and if you're moving a few hundred of something or a few thousand of something even you can't afford to put the work of someone like Asus does with Gboard knowing that they're going to sell boatloads of them and even if they don't they're going to sell boatloads of high margin motherboards that they can funnel that funding into that they have a halo level product that makes them look good in the market. So there you go, the gank drone or whatever. I mean speaking of Asus that doesn't mean that they're getting a pass on the whole golden motherboard because I mean at least Asus has the way to come out and make course. You look at it and you're like, Corsair why do you have that gold memory? They're like well customers want you know matching you know color schemes for them and there's you know some gold in the market. You wonder what those are. Who made those ones? Yes that's true but yeah I'm still that yeah like you said it doesn't give them a pass either. No not at all. Kind of did but we can jump down a little bit just because I think that topic might be a little bit too long and we're slightly behind schedule. So if we want to jump down to Chrome OS' takeover of Windows. Ah yes. All right guys, so you go ahead. As far as I can get out of it it's like it's kind of a little bit vague to be completely honest. Posted by Goodbytes on the forum, original article from The Verge, just throwing that out there. But and like Goodbytes little bit about it seems slightly sensational. Yeah it's... If you jump over to The Verge's article it doesn't really take Windows. It's an application and application that then basically does while you're running the takeover of Windows. So instead of just being a browser you jump into like the Google Suite. Eco-system. And then it runs for the start menu while you're in there and then that start menu becomes for Google Apps. Yeah. And your apps are from the Play Store. And given that Windows 8 didn't have much of a start menu to speak of I guess if Google wants to menu in there that's great. I think for me I just don't see this happening. Web connectivity, yes, but I would see much better established taking over as a ready to run OS that relies on internet connectivity. And this isn't a lightweight OS because it has to sit on top of... I mean it's Chrome. And if you're going to... If we want to talk lightweight I mean back when Chrome launched their whole thing, lightweight browser. And the whole thing of Chrome is the worst thing about my system. It's the only reason I need more RAM these days. They're harping on you last week saying that Yojtumi can't open. But the Chrome thing was actually the one that was on the desktop, not his laptop. So his laptop was stable. We're not saying that was the problem. It was the one on the desktop that had like more tabs open. That was just not working for like two weeks. Crashing just because. Our stream computer is kind of... So you understand why they would want people to run Chrome as not just a browser but as something that overlays your entire desktop experience. And I can see the value add there. Having something like Google Hangouts, if you're watching, yeah, we still need desktop applications for things. Running inside of Gmail, inside of my browser or inside Google Plus is ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. If you have one that is actually a very casual user, it's ridiculous. People who are using multiple monitors, okay, maybe you have a dedicated... You know what? You know what happens with Hangouts? Oh, it covers all of your UI elements that you need. How am I supposed to trash that draft I'm working on? I guess I could close all of my Hangout chats. It's ridiculous. The fact that they think we don't need a dedicated desktop application for it or they haven't been arsed and they're still forcing us to integrate into Hangouts and all these other things. Guys, it's not ready yet. Maybe I'm just mad. Pile of crap. There is replacement. Microsoft, bring back MSN, please. If you're watching, bring back MSN, please. Because it was the only thing that actually worked. It had video chats, all kinds of exploits causing all kinds of trouble. It had easy file transfers. It had that actually worked. We finally figured out, yeah, okay, we just actually can't use Skype at all, ever. I was searching for other things that popped into my mind. It was like, oh, MSN. I was like, oh, wait. MSN, Windows Live account, whatever you want to call it. I would still be able to use it today. A lot of people I know are still on... That's why I'm still on Google's move. Accounts, if anything, Google has one of the worst track records I've ever seen. That's with my personal experience as a YouTuber. The way that YouTube and Google gradually become more and more enmeshed. All kinds of things are broken through this day. There's all kinds of legacy crap just fundamentally flawed. It's like joining together and then not being able to separate... Check if I could try and then I could undo them if it didn't work. That'd be great, but they've done it to me too many... And it's extremely... No documentation for the whole thing. It's just a bunch of stuff. Use it if you want. Make a new account for it and you're good to go. Now it seems like... Hold it up for... There you go. Bruise or hickey, depending on what you feel happens to be. Okay, so you want to talk about the future of news? Now I want to talk about the bruise on my arms so people don't think it's a freaking hickey. Let's talk about the future of news. So guys, who would have expected me to ever say that Fox is the future of news? Oh, the irony. The past of news. This should never have existed of news. It looks like a joke. I know. The irony about this is it looks like a meme before people turn it into a meme. So Fox has introduced 55-footer, 55-inch tablets into their newsroom. Which they call bats. Which they call bats. What does that stand for? Big ass TVs? No, big area touch screens. Big area touch screens. So I mean, they sound like guns that people are firing. Arm the bats! So there's a few problems with this. Is that it looks ridiculous. It looks like it's too hard to be the Starship. Number two is pixel density. You cannot simply make a usage model or a user experience better. You can't make a maximum. For so long, what we were trying to do with the creation of monitor technology was, holy crap, we made it bigger. And TV, to a certain extent. I mean, every year at CES, Sony are going off bigger TV. None of that ever made it. Because nobody wants a 100-inch TV. That you're doing real work on is going to not necessarily be in a bigger. We need more pixel density. And they didn't even manage to make them more than. So put yourself that close to your monitor. So it's about holding my face in terms of what I can actually see at a time. Text is going to look terrible. Absolutely terrible. It's not like you can actually use of the size in terms of the pixels. If you examine the pixels, you'd see that all those memes out there are photoshopped. And that one is actually the original. I've seen some great ones with space and them. Oompa Loompas, stations. And like. Photo wall. Yeah. And you just like move stuff around. It's okay. Like what. Is dying. Because they don't get it. Because everyone else on every other medium can have Twitter and doesn't need a 55-inch TV. I mean this is how we do Twitter. It's like. Well okay. You're looking at our broadcaster dashboard. An old monitor that like we had lying around and we put on it. Yeah. I mean that's what's actually. So yeah we got a bit of a kick out of that. You know what? Why don't we do one more topic before we have our special guest Total Biscuit for those of you who don't know who our guest is today. He's ready to do this. Yeah this shouldn't be too long. Should we hit this one? Alright. So in video. I'm going to end up ranting about this right now. I'm not ready yet. Should we just pull him up? You know what? We should do that. Why don't we invite Total Biscuit to the show. I'm going to go ahead and throw our guest lower third on here. Go ahead. My headphones on. Right? Yep. I'm trusting this guy Ted. The show's ready to rock. I'm going to head over to the Twitch. I'm ready to die now because you know my life is over now. And uh and then a fair bit of uh probably our first our first for you is going to be you're a bit of a polarizing character. You've been working on fans. How's that going for you? Let's just say the ideas are much easier to create than the origin of those ideas and of the wholesale invention of the way that you interact with people online, which is something that I'm sure we've all developed over the course of over a decade now. And it's difficult to get out of the you really want to get into it with someone you see someone that disagrees with you. More importantly, says something about you that's not true on the internet. You want to dead? Yeah, they're telling lies on the internet. Is there a prime? Tell me that. So it's it's it is difficult. I got to say it's difficult to deal with. And I think if you want to really change your way that you interact with people, I'm not even just talking about fans or just actively dislike you. Terrible stuff on the internet about you. It requires an amount of discipline that I don't think I've. Well, that's fantastic. You know what? I think that's a segment here for you for the half dozen people who are watching our show and who have never heard of you before. Please introduce yourself. And my name is John Bain in real life. I'm better known as Total Biscuit or cynical Brit on YouTube. And I probably the best way to describe my line of work would be I am a game critic. OK, so game critic wise. The idea of taking a game, playing some of it and then giving essentially a live first in with the focus on analyzing whether or not the game's any good, taking the mechanics apart, looking at the options for PC gamers and then coming to a conclusion as to whether or not it's worth your time. All right. Now tell me this. One of the things that you have done in terms of bucking the general generally conceived to be conventional wisdom, really long form run seminar, and they'll tell you, well, you've got 15 seconds to your viewer. You've got probably a few minutes to keep them engaged. But your engagement, I mean, even if you look at it in terms of, well, he's got this many subscribers and this many of the people are actually watching every video and tuning in for 20 minutes, 40 minutes, even longer content. How have you how have you bucked that trend? Well I don't even believe the trend was there to begin with. I think that it's a trend that came from the idea that the only people that would ever be watching your YouTube videos when you deal with gaming are between eight years old. And that's completely false. It's just that they're very easy to impress and they're also very easy to build a rabid fandom out of. You can influence somebody that's still developing, they're a bit young, they don't really know what's going on. So you'll see these very popular channels that do very well as a result of that. But the audience likes a very specific kind of content. So if you try and do anything else, well, good luck getting out of kind of as opposed to the class clown, which is these channels are on YouTube, they're professional court jesters, you know, they're kind of the village idiot people. They watch them because like, hey, look at how dumb this thing. That's how that kind of thing works. But if you look at the demographic, they are at a computer a lot, and they want to have something running in the back, listen to as they do whatever work they do, or they've got a lot more flexibility, you know, position where they're just able to spend some time out to watch this kind of stuff. Or maybe they just come home from work. Something that's not a cat that's been fed three pounds of crack or laid back a little bit more focused. You can get people watching 45 minutes or an hour long videos, my primary demographic is 25 to 32 years old. And as a direct result, I think people are more than willing to watch longer form stuff. Just a lot of that demographics, a lot to watch longer form TV shows now and is willing to sit down for a day and watch like an entire season of a show. They will do that if it's engaged. You know what, it's funny that because when I when I after I watched the first episode of which was only a couple weeks ago, I'm on season five now. One time not having realized about an hour long and not with commercial breaks baked in that I didn't have to watch. It's an hour long show. And I just looked like, oh shit, because I am going this is going to consume my little while, but that doesn't mean that we can't do it now. Before we move on, I actually this ties in really well into one of the other. This is something that I get a lot. And I'm sure you get a total is how to become X, how to become a YouTuber, become a game critic where the perception seems to be that we get paid to sit and make play. And now your comment cats on crack is interesting. And I would like to tie this back to a comment that I got on YouTube. The viewer. So someone had, you know, two videos is easy to which I replied, well, I think you'd actually be surprised at how much work goes into this kind of thing behind the scenes. And someone replied to saying, okay, except it is easy. Like PewDiePie. He just plays games and doing it and gets millions of thousands upon thousands of dollars. Very easy money in my opinion, to which my rebuttal was well, seem to think that PewDiePie is either an atheist. I can't sit through his comments. So I don't really know. He plays games and makes millions of dollars. It's like saying a pro hockey player waves a stick around or an elite chef just put stuff and applies heat. There's a lot of hard work and a bit of magic that goes into the ones who succeed know what they're doing. Would you make the argument that the guys who are appealing to that lowest common denominator do are making easy money. The thing about that is that everybody's doing it and only a tiny fraction of those actually successful. You can make people like PewDiePie and things like that. All you down well please. But you have to accept the reality that they have built their brand stronger during than anybody else. Couple of years ago about someone like along. I said that guy's going to be a flash in the pan and he's going to disappear very quickly. He is going to crest the wave of some kind of hype train of some kind of trend. Yeah, exactly. Same with a lot of people said about a couple of months worth of popularity and that'll disappear. People said the same about me when I did wow. And I was able to trans that and continue because at that point I'd built brand strength, reputation. And that's exactly what people like PewDiePie have actually done. They've built their brand and they focus more on building their brand. Myself certainly because my content speak for me. And then he is all about the brand and everyone who watches him is a bro and they're part of this community. It's like a little township of 10 million. Back each other up and belonging and for good or ill that actually does help drive that channel forward. And yes, I'd say that making videos like his is relatively easy in comparison to other. If you take a challenge to sketch comedy and spends a week writing the sketch and editing it out and things like that versus Hey, I'm going to play this game and split into 20 minute chunks. And I'll put some little subtypes to accept the bits that I think are funny. Yeah, that is a lot easier, but I can guarantee he does not do this for one hour a day and then just he spends his time building his brand and making deals behind the scenes and can ensure that his channel remains. And I mean, to me, it's one of those things. I feel like a lot of detractors who feel like someone doesn't need to understand better that there's there's hard work and everyone needs it. And then there's talent. I mean, you look at what someone like PewDiePie does, most difficult things, whether it's time consuming, fire in the way that his audience wants all the time. I had someone criticize me saying, well, all I do is stand there for, you know, seven or eight minutes and talk about a product. And, you know, it doesn't take me very long. You know what? You're right. It doesn't take me very long. When I go to the studio on Friday to shoot for them, it takes me. It has a value to it's about more than just it takes me. And I spend a lot of time on things as well. I'd like to talk to you about sort of the whole perception of selling out as well. I mean, I think this is something. Yeah. And they tie in really nicely together as well. You're talking about the inherent value of a personality, right? I think it's healthy that they know because then they understand the business and they're less likely to get upset at the notion that, yes, people are kind of off your back. Viewers are the product, the customer. We are the companies. When you look at, say, the sponsorship guys have on your show, that company, your audience, that's the point. And they view money in return. That's how the sponsor. It's actually a very healthy model because it allows all this content to be free. So you don't have to pay a caped description. You don't have to pay per view to actually watch our stuff. It's all free. And it comes from the audience. It's not necessarily that you went down a map and did backbreaking work. It's not how the world works, guys. I'm sorry. I kind of wish that it was a meritocracy in that respect. The harder you work, the more you got paid. But it really isn't. These companies audience that you can gather. And that's where the selling out point comes in because companies want to get at your audience and they want to get at your audience to market their particular product in a way that they feel is best. And they may approach these so-called influencers. This is a term that's used around you. You are an influencer. Yeah. And that's true. You are. You have an audience. You have the power to influence them. But you have the power to do so because the audience says you. And they believe what you are saying. And if you decide the idea to compromise your opinion, then frankly, you lose that audience. Yeah. Sell out because what you're basically saying there is not I'm saying is I'm selling you because I was I'm selling you as the product to the advertiser and I'm willing to because someone is giving envelope under the table. And I've got to ask you why on earth would you think that I would do that? How can I do that? A YouTuber would do that. How could I do that? Yeah, it's absurd. It's we need it. We wouldn't we wouldn't sell you. It's crazy. And the thing is YouTube thing to end. If I want to being a YouTuber and making a living and building a new business around personality that tells people. If I wanted that immediately, that start saying that any expensive thing with lots of margin that people want to give me money to promote and guys, trust me. So list is Intel, Nvidia, AMD has been added to that. These are where I can with a straight face recommend their products. No problem. I can't afford to lose you guys. I legitimately need you guys. Yeah. And you got them because you were honest to them in the first place, right? And you're not going to sell them out for a little brown envelope because you'll make more money in the long run by having and you're right. Why on earth would any of us want to throw this away? President and freedom point in our lives and of media that we want to produce and reach a large audience, something that was impossible a decade ago. I was in high school and no guidance counselor told me about this. Yeah. Impossible. Absolutely true. Actually to what you guys were talking about earlier with the not much work goes into an idea is actually both game reviewers and hardware reviewers were two different stuff, but there's a huge amount of research for both of us. Total business a ton about the game is reviewing and all the other games in the genre. So we can compare the hardware we're reviewing and all the other hardware in the genre so that we can get a ton of research and actually does time. Yeah. Back out, which essentially that you use on that. I used to know a lot about hardware years ago when he used to post on the forums and I would keep up to date with everything and I could be a fairly reliable source around the mobile Barton era. I could tell you how to overclock it. AMD Barton. No problem at all. I had to use an ACES star rice kind of cooling you. But these days I've got not a lot of hardware knowledge at all. Can stuff that I need to build a PC and keep mine running so it doesn't set on fire. Right now that is going. It's a great point. People ask me to do games in much the same way that they probably. The reason is because I've been out of. Not knowing that there was a game release that innovated that exact and did it better. And that is where my inherent value is to my sponsors as well. Yeah, that's absolutely true. And that value disappeared. There is even a moment's hesitation among the viewer base that they believe that knowledge in your recommendations are better than facts in your honest opinion. So I think that self is actually a term that get correctly a lot of the time by viewers. This is a theory I have. Where there sell out. But what sell out would mean is compromising the way that we do our work and and and explain. And I think this leads in really well to. How ten you are grasp is right. As YouTubers we are at the absolute mercy of Google right now. I mean I I ranted about this little show the way that Google plus integrated into YouTube and the way that Google attempts to take tighter. The reins as time goes on of this of this YouTube platform that they've. I mean do you go a day without thinking the whole thing exploded right now. You know what's my exit strategy. Well I don't I think about it exploding tomorrow but I do have about three exit strategies so that helps. But if I didn't have exit strategies I'd absolutely be worrying about it initially. This is amazing. Wow. Look at this gravy. It's fantastic. But what if it out tomorrow. Where do I go. Do I go back agency. Building my brand to the point where I have an escape route. And now yes I do. I've got. It is tenuous and as a result a lot of us will look to money as we can from now because we have no idea when to end. The hope of course is that it never does. And the 20s from now there will be a some equivalent that'll. But right now it's. Interest to try and make as much money as I can without compromising my principles of my audience and to put it in a bank account and put it into my 401k to make sure that I actually have money if this whole thing goes tits up. So let's let's get into some real meaty discussion topics here. I wanted to pick stuff that has. I mean not that I'm saying what we've been talking about up till now hasn't been meaty. But these guys want to talk about which is hardware gaming news and we've got some stuff that overlaps pretty darn well. So let's start with this roller demo. I'm assuming you check this out correct. So Luke. It's. Owl this look. Strange balls to the wall. And I'm actually. I'm not going to be able to play the video. Here it is. It's a. We want to put together a gameplay video that shows. YouTube search. How. Different types of. And. Why don't we just. Take this away. Give us a brief outline of I want to hear your. Feel having seen the video. You've seen. All right well funnily enough I felt better about the steam controller before I saw the video as opposed to anything else. Steam controllers idea is very. Controllers the last big one that we had for. As we're not going to count motion controls because generally core gamers don't use them. It was the dual shock one which is about. To go. And that innovated the dual stick design. Was then used in several. Of dual touchpads with haptic feedback. Could potentially shift things over again. Can they be. Some way. Then. If they can't. There's. Point in them existing. And when I looked at it I thought. Possibility. Haptic feedback itself is going to be incredibly good. Because we're talking. It doesn't have the physical limits of sticks if I take my. I reach the limits of where it can go. Quickly with the haptic device with the touchpads not so much and we're relying on feedback to say guys here's the. Any further and then when I saw. Analyzation five demonstration exactly. Problem that. Is with touchpads on. Laptops. A television. Controller and it's. You have to keep. Flicking your phone on it over and over and over again and that's the exact thing that. The. As well it works a number of different. It can work more like a stick. You want but this was just. Got so for those of you watching who haven't seen the video is just straight. It's. Touchpad. And. Didn't see any precision platform. I was I didn't see. A. Portal puzzle solved I wasn't convinced that this. Experience that could. Bothered me about the five demos I mean the first thing. When he saw the. Was holy crap I can play civilization from my couch I would make the argument. Because it's still going to have small UI elements and it's going to be a very long time before that kind of an issue gets addressed and touch. Will always all. Always be slower than. For any kind of precision. Any kind of distance movement which is an awful lot of. When you're playing a PC game I believe you. Video that he was using it in. One to one you can make it. Where if you hold it on one side it will keep going so if it's on a big game like that you can. Precision of it but then have it. If that. Is going to be worth it so. Then that's the whole. Is the happy. Future yes at the end of the video to make sure that people comment on it tell him what games they want to see. But something. To see through a video is the. So it has to be really good. No until anyone gets their hands on it. The CSGO demo then. That wasn't too bad honestly but. Feeling he could have done a fairly similar thing with sticks if you notice. Talk from actually headshots of. Would a good player someone that maybe plays a lot of call of duty or battlefield on a controller could probably do a similar thing. So that doesn't. Here's that could be the real tricky thing I mean easy. Pads work but we don't want it to work like touchpads because they're bad so why would we want that on our pad. So what kind of adaptation. Fired from. And. There'll be two kinds of adaptation required we've got the guys who have to adapt. That from keyboard mouse which I would imagine is going to be a completely different process yeah that's going to be tricky. I mean I think the. Tell is just to actually try it out I read the. Nice blog post by the fellow who made super meat boy that's what I would have loved to see. It apparently. A meat boy on this thing accurately and that in itself is more of a test than anything that they showed there but I think. The show variety in that initial video yeah the one that I thought was kind of funny but but I get it. What was that last game called papers please. So this is like. Like like a passport office. And I was like OK that. Gaming perspective. Maybe now I'm interested. I don't necessarily want to play FPS. I have a nerdy tech couch master. Cushions that sit on either side of this deck that sits on. It's fantastic. So I have. I for control yes he's right it's right there so he just lifted it up. So I don't need that. I wanted to play Angry Birds. And the haptic feedback you know gave me you know how how you know what the tension was like. Back I mean I would be excited to see Android support for a device like this but it's something Valve hasn't talked about at all up till this point in time. No that's very true. There you have very much pressed the idea that this thing will be legacy compatible in the sense that it can punch a different control methods. But what I'm more interested in all methods very specifically designed for use on this thing which likely going to require either about. They're obviously already done for portal or for third party devs to get on board with it and say yeah actually we will add direct support for it and experiment with it to make sure that we get the right kind of results. I imagine that the success rate ending on. Oh you're still there. One thing to talk about too is he talked about developers having to get behind and Steve behind it. But one really nice thing too is going to be only on their own and release it on the workshop you can be able to download it. So for really. That you should have some sort of other ender and you were using this controller. You could also release a. Workshop for it as well. Yeah but that's a lot more work isn't it. You get onto it because honestly the three that is already what I consider the controller standard for PCs if you're not using a keyboard and mouse because that's already there. Three sixty controller is in spite of all the game devs that work on the Xbox platform and in spite of Microsoft's I mean influence in three three sixty controller support is still terrible for crying out loud. Everything else is like I'm going through tutorial and I'm being asked to press the left trigger on my keyboard. That's really useful. Exactly exactly it's really frustrating. Add on this topic I think we pretty similar sort of take on this I'm taking a very wait and see approach. Yeah it's a wait and see. Yes wait and see. Let's move on to the next one which is a great discussion. I appear. It's more of a hardware guy. Yes about a week and a half ago. Interview we were hanging out at the airport together I said a station for an Xbox one are the last generation of consoles as we know them last dedicated gaming box that is to go into your living room. All right. A lot of it is due to very negative publicity that box one and Microsoft's attempt to differentiate it from a gaming console and make it more of a companion. And I think people are. And thinking about how long next box one are. Long gating as time goes on to the point where we. Comment made by one of the tech in guys saying that. I've likely. We see another generation of dedicated gaming consoles the same way we have. Well. Prize me if the PS5 was basically just a. Of us in the cloud right. I think maybe they might be jumping the gun slightly on that one. I think it's coming. I don't think there's a way to avoid. Somehow in some inexplicable fashion the piece. Fastly regains its dominance which I find highly unlikely. You could basically email on your fridge now. This is not a unique. And funnily enough the. In the television space and nobody's talking about that. The newer generation televisions are getting smarter. I've owned two generations now. All the functionality that the Xbox one is offering to a television watch. So on that consumes. And the media it's very good at dealing with that. I've got voice control. I TV Netflix and. Be there. And I can navigate with my hand in the air. I don't even need to use a remote. Get the result out of that. And that's going to keep happening and it's going to happen at a faster rate because televisions are coming out all the time. Call. Was it coming out every eight to nine years. There's going to be new TVs. More to the point. This. Can be upgraded. I just upgraded my TV with a quad core processor. Yeah. That's an upgrade. Yeah. Yeah. I just plugged it in. Installed it and I got. A 2013 version. It's modular. Consoles are not. And as a direct result these features are going way faster than console manufacturers could ever. We have to look at the companies. I mean how much does so. By building PlayStation functionality into their TVs. They've already done it with their tablets. Play uses the X. They want. The. Interface is the PlayStation 3. Yeah. So they you know they even building. The devices that are not gaming related. As for isn't out yet. And. Anyone telling me that PlayStation 5 is going to be a box that sits next to your TV. To give yourself a shake and wake up because it's not necessarily going to be. I agree with you a hundred. I don't think that the latencies will be good enough even take. There you go. For much of the world for that to be a possibility. Even if it keeps progressing at. Exponential rate of improvement that. Which isn't. In a. But is in some places and that's exactly the problem. I don't think that's going to. I thought we were going to see the closed platform game consoles go away. We might see devices like. Or Nvidia shield. Things running on Android or IOS. It's a bunch to mobile whatever it happens. Also versus a dedicated box that sits there which is to me just absolutely ridiculous. And the other thing is the other TV players are going to want a piece of this action. And he had TVs have become. Commodity horrible horrible business. As someone who worked at a retailer that was trying to break into. And tell you there's not a lot of. There's not a lot of marketing funds be. On it anymore. Every household already. TV that's big enough and this ties in. To one of the things we talked about earlier. Which is the display size. Display sizes are big enough. We don't need bigger displays. You can't get any bigger. Sorry. Yeah. You can't fit them in the house. Television in this room it's impractical. Yeah. Actually the total biscuit brought up real. Modularity the TV. Maybe. There's going to be like the Samsung modularity part. And then maybe they'll have like the game port. Yeah. And you can just like click. Be a little bit better at gaming maybe you can. Get a graphics device my TV. Birds on it. Which is actually one surprisingly well. There are getting game functional is starting to be built into this stuff and interplay between what's in. Pocket that being your smartphone or your tablet is happening more and more. It's very easy to now interface. Just I have a Google Internet. On that YouTube videos now on the. It's a credit. Yeah. Just let snap like that. Very very easy. And honestly you got to think about third party game devs as well. They have a lot to. On the current. Pocket going away. Spoken out Sony like a V.P. at Sony spoke out against. Consoles the guy. Responsible for play. Threes recent dominance with a great triple exclusive after Drake great triple exclusive. Don't. It hurts. It hurts. Yeah. Yeah. Mutually assured destruction yet. Thermonuclear war. We've. That's it. They don't want to be sinking this amount of money into this stuff. They would prefer. Have to. They would prefer just to be able to make games that can sell to more people. The other guys you know Sony makes a triple A from one of the in-house studios. But then able to sell to. Box and differentiate with the device differentiate with the controller. With the quality of this. That you're providing with your life. I mean there's so many. That game consoles can. Each other now. How it was 20 years ago when it was you know who had. Mario and who had. The hedgehog. I mean why are we still in this mentality. Doesn't make any sense anymore. Behind these guys and what they didn't. And sides like them completely was the rise of mobile and social gaming. And we have had a drop in the amount of games sold. We would look at 17. In the console marketplace last year. Probably going to be helped a lot this year by GT. A say. But there are very few titles that. But where are we in five years and how exactly do we make our money because we're not. Selling consoles or making a loss. Time a game is sold so we need more games. Absolutely absolutely I mean I think that I mean I think one of the things that people misunderstood. About the whole I think console. Prediction and the way this business is changing prediction is I said. Mobile devices are going to pick up. Black I didn't. That you're going to play. On your phone. That's meant. You're still. Powers it is going to be. All right I mean have you played with the Nvidia shield at all. Yeah I played with it and it's like oh this has got nice functionality it's got good on board power but I can also relay something from a more powerful base station in my house. Can play PC quality games on this little thing and that's unbelievable to me. And see that interfered with your experience. Only a little bit and it was on a baby unit. If I of packs. Yeah packs is why. The most rammed why. History of ever. And maybe two moments where it froze up a little bit aside from that it was very difficult to notice. So I mean. Imagine. Ask the viewers guys if you have. Twitter questions about any of the. We've talked to total business. The show here guys hit us we'll get him to do a Twitter blitz before. How. What tell me about any. Weird internet famous moments because you must get it off. I think total internet views you're somewhere between double and triple. My lifetime and I get. A fair bit. How does it how do you feel about it. Tell me any awkward stories you have. Well I made the decision to go to North Carolina so no one would notice me so that was pretty well until I ended up in the universe. I turned up in Raleigh and Durham. Oh yeah people know me around here so that's the way that I go. I think I've been very fortunate in the fact that most of the. Interaction wise not really be all it's like. There's a lot of sort of double taking that goes on if somebody recognizes your voice or anything along those lines. I was in it. One point and. Walk past me and then asked me if I was who I was then asked for an autograph on a napkin and. Cute but it's never really been weird or awkward strangely enough the worst they can ever say is. A little bit socially awkward maybe they don't go out all that much but if that's the worst sin. Are guilty of in your life then. You know you're a saint in my opinion so it it's all really been actually very very cool indeed but the whole thing is just weird the whole idea one could recognize you in a supermarket from some gaming video you made on the internet is insanity and if you tell me 10 years ago that was possible I laughed at you. Weirdness. Doesn't come from the viewers for awkwardness especially at the beginning from me so once. Tell actually two stories I. Really get recognized by my voice because I'm not I'm not a game streamer I think I'm more of more. Talking to a co worker at the McDonald's down the street from work we were there. Because I felt like punishing. McDonald's. Anyway the guy I'm talking to my guy turns around and he goes I know that voice. I was like oh. That's the weirdest thing ever because it was one of the very early ones. I was at a mall with my girlfriend at the time and. Someone walked up and asked for my autograph I kind of I kind of froze like oh I don't really do that. And she she just smacked me in the I was like she's like why did you say that that was horrible. I didn't say I'm not I'm not I'm not Tom Cruise where people walk up and tell me that they saw me jumping around on a couch all the time it's I'm just not. Yeah I got used to it pretty quickly I think going to a lot of events. Interacting that even. In the e-sports scene or just in gaming in general that have developed these followings don't necessarily know how to act with fans or maybe they're just. They they feel uncomfortable doing it because they themselves were so. Annoying and irritating when I was 18 years old. And I find irritating is a very. To have in university which. A course of very strong drinking and. And then I was able to carry that on into later life and when I go to an event I'll just I'll just hang out with anybody like probably to the. Someone's going to knife me. Days but I'll hang out with. Anyone and we'll go for drinks and we'll go for lunch together and we'll talk and we'll play Munchkin and yell at each other it'll be great. And I think. Maybe you just have to embrace in that. Rio and you'll have a lot more fun if you do. And you know obviously I know you guys are. That you experience this exact same thing it's so much fun when you just get to meet people and you automatically share interests because you do this for a living and they watch you so it's like oh great we already gel on some base level we don't even have to worry about it's like. Do you like. Like. We had a lot. We're in the game. Our sponsor speaking of the way. Not just us but also our view. Where. A whack ton. And we announced we. Doing it ahead of time so people who. Us you know hey I just want to shake your hand hey shake my hand have an external heart. I mean that kind of stuff I think I get to me really excited. Makes makes this this. Occupation. And for me. My favorite fan. Access one group of guys I randomly met there's like four or five of them. In humanity which is like not something you really expect to do with fans but was incredibly fun and another one I had my whole group of friends we ended up playing a giant game of ninja with a few fans like the stand up game. Was actually really fun yeah. So yeah that's the best thing. So Twitter blitz is a little. As quick as possible and we blow through as many. And I think we've got. Many here for you. Go through as many until you get. As you want. So number one easy peasy we need more than twenty this. Come on. John. YouTube channel I guess. My advice is at this point in time unless you have some serious backing. Get a real job and do it as a hobby don't expect this to be a career right off the bat go ahead. Yep never ever go into this thinking. But being of doing this as. As a hobby because you. Want to do it and that passion will. Okay to your viewers and hopefully that will. Have success and the best advice I could ever give to start. Is start by starting a YouTube channel. Yeah. All right next one do you think a stronger YouTube presence such as you know guys. You who focus on PC. May PC more. Think that it did. So gamers that came to. It and eventually ended up getting back into gaming PCs. But. Thing was going to happen anyway I don't know if we necessarily just rode the way. First place really difficult to say I'd like to assume that we did. Corey Gibson. Excited for and I'm not calling you Corey Gibson the question is from. How. The mantle are you. For getting direct. Window which would be wonderful. Go to Windows eight to use direct X. One point two features thank you very bloody much Microsoft anything that takes the. A from Microsoft is a good. Fortunately I use and. So it's probably not going to. But I like the idea that stuff like open GL is kind of having a bit of a resurgence so hopefully we get more of that. Well we thought the hats would be kind of funny just because. You know. It's a it's a. Biscuit. They're always funny he's our guest. Did you think it was funny did you. I expected hats to be involved the irony. Would be taken seriously. Don't have that problem. All right. Total biscuit do you believe PC gaming will ever go away. What. But a PC is in order for PC. Way basically if you put a game on. And it will have a game on it put it on a T. I. E. three calculator. Three things. You have them on computers. The question. Is. This is. The PC. And the power is still there what form it takes doesn't really matter. Agreed. Marcus asked. And yes what the what's the best but I think worst is going to be a lot more entertaining so I stick with that. Worst is a lot easier recently it's got to be day one Gary's. Which was. Just. Apparently used most of the default stuff from the U. D. K. Because. The size right on the. On real bananas. So it's like banana trees and all these models. To the point of beyond comedy to the point where. Waste of everybody's time. So that was just a little bit of. I'd say that's what it's worse than the war Z. At least some value to. The gigantic scam. Gary's incident is quite literally. Will Drake. So. Probably that's. There's no doubt being a games on the past couple years that have been equal. Okay well I. For the topics we wanted to go through with you. I just want to say thank you very much for. My pleasure. The Twitter followers I mean I I try to engage with the on. And when they said total biscuit I kinda went well. Yeah you taking the time to interact with us interact with our audience. If you if you think there's anyone left viewing who doesn't know. What you're about and doesn't think. Pretty cool I'm. More this guy's a total ass clown. And I thank you very very much for joining us I really. But. Thanks a lot guys it was a fun show. PC gaming critique. News and. Seemly unhealthy amount of horse. I also have a stock. Sports channel and a stock of two e sports team axiom e sports you can find everything you want to know about them. You dot com slash total biscuit. Team e sports sponsors that being a planet site to. The keyboards all right thanks man take care and. You again sometime. Guys have fun. All right guys. That was definitely one. Fun guest segments for me just because it's not very often. I have an opera. Are more experience. And more successful than me on the you. So I hope we didn't. Too much with some of that business talk about you know audience interaction and engagement and YouTube and how how. About it as you tubers but. That was that was very. Guys again so make sure you're following. Make sure you're following him because very very. Actually have to. And not much of a gaming. Consumer I had. Okay I need to know what I'm talking about somewhat so I spent hours. For content and that it's actually very entertaining but in a very different sort of a lot of the other content it's more designed and you can tell like radio to the point where. You have it in the background where you're doing something else he's got a great voice which is some benefit that I don't have. I've got a great voice you can just sit and catch up and it's very soothing relaxed and. I consume. Of gaming content. One of the main things that I like about it for anyone who hasn't watched. WTF series is amazing so whenever steam has like a summer sailor winter sailor weekly. Weekend sale there's always. Everywhere GOG or whatever if you're interested in a game that you may not have heard. Linus said you can have it. Have what you're doing other things and just. Talk about the game and sometimes especially during this. Enough time to do. That comes up on that sale so. While I'm working on other things. So sure boom by that. Ever published the when show starting thing on YouTube. I was wondering what I use for. I selected it and yeah because we I mean having a great guest like. Another thousand to fifteen hundred live viewers. I mean you saw me click it. Didn't you didn't. Okay well there here's the thing. Like it was right there. There's not a whole lot that we can do about it. I'm not. Next topic here I mean there's. Tough to talk about today. I don't think quite as much as the last two weeks but there is still quite a bit of time. We've got deep. And. Joe so they they ripped. Of using all capital letters and having a four letter word as the name of your console. Other than that it's it's a little. This is from mad. Well in the console. Has been on the PC side although they are making a pushing they're pushing pretty hard with with product lines like the rat series mice that they have so they've acquired companies and they've acquired companies as well companies like site tech that did. But hold in PC. But. Let's talk about this a little bit so mojo is a micro console for Android the original article was on tech radar and it was posted by Gazer. And. I don't have much to say. I haven't already said. This is still more validation for my. That not only do I. That consoles in their current. Platforms and and with with console exclude and. Are going to go away but there are. In. In. Company. Investing big money. Belief as well. So. You want to run. Sure give me a sec I think that's on the dock yes it is so it comes with a one point eight gigahertz. So. 16 gigabytes of internal storage although it has micro SD expansion so that could get pretty ridiculously big pretty fast. Built in RAM Wi Fi Bluetooth and Android four point two jelly bean and it comes in at two hundred and fifty bucks. Like. Yeah I don't know what. Really common yeah I know I saw. One thing that I. Notice was really common. I got it blows me out of the water in the specs department of course it does it's been a little while. That's like this is going to happen especially Android consoles I think are going to leapfrog each other like crazy like yearly at least. Yeah and one thing that's especially. With this one is you can tie it in your. Google play account directly so if you did another. Iteration because they're going to be updating really fast. You. Load all your games again which is really nice it's really cool I mean. For couch gamers and. Okay well that. It's the pricing of Nvidia shield. My mind in a big way because shield has a controller and a bunch of hardware and. And it has. Custom technology with the game streaming that. Wired some dev work is. Fifty bucks I would say and to the people out there. Nvidia shield should be ninety nine. Planet I think a lot of those people are coming from the same. Was at the beginning which was. Care at all about. The seven hundred dollar smartphone with what I'm saying is this. Or there should be another model doesn't have that there should be a. Streaming model that is cheap doesn't have all the Android stuff. And with the person. From is they don't want to just. The Android part is the more expensive part if you want to have. Okay fair enough I guess I can't really I can't really argue that any part of that was. You know what I would like to take a moment to do. On some breaks so guys I. Think this will work hey look at that that worked so square space dot com I'm just gonna go ahead and fix this for. This dot com is the easy way did okay. I didn't fix it. And percent off for October. So don't. That anyway square space dot com is the easy. Or just generally. 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And I think that's pretty much it. If you want to check out an example square space website go over to Linus dot com. It gives you a great example of how they dynamically adjust your access to in terms of bandwidth depending on what you need. Or how hard we've hit that site in the past. Sites just by saying hey this manufacturer will go check it out. I think that speaks volumes about the way you can do it. It's actually kind of fun. It's not. Giving them a whole bunch of snap back and then actually have real traffic for most of it because it's not a DDoS. It works. It's not a DDoS in almost every single situation. Anyways. Who can't buy next gen games. Well they could buy them. Well yeah. Run them I guess. They could buy it and then like look at it in their steam library. So call of duty ghosts and watch dogs need 64 gigs of 64 bit OS. You know what I have to say about this? About bloody time. Yup. I have no problem with it. And like okay a ton of people are like oh my god 50% can't buy it. They're not going to make any money. I think a huge part of the reason why 50% of PC users don't have these specs. I'm not too worried about the 64 bit OS one but the 6 gigs of RAM. You don't need it. No. So now that they do need it they might go to the store. It's not bad to light on fire. It's not that expensive yet. But it's not as cheap as it was. No that's true. It was cheap a little while ago. So I mean it's a chicken and egg thing. There hasn't been a compelling reason to upgrade your CPU or your memory for the first time. Yeah. And percentage of users that will two things. One have multiple computers. I'm actually going to play games on devs. I've put it into my laptop so I can talk to friends. Four computers that I have on Steam. Ready for it. But I don't. You never took the hardware cert. You just click click click. Yeah yeah. Four gigs. Leave two slots open. We're just going to go click ready. Yay. There's nothing to do. So yeah I don't think that's a big deal. And I mean I think that we're finally heading into a time where developers are developing their next gen consoles and one average the more powerful PC hardware has been built up over the last few years. And people are going to want to advance games. It's getting more demanding. Things like stereoscopic 3D. Whether it's on a display. Not necessarily. Not in agreement that that's a terrific experience. 3D. You know not naming. Oculus. Whatever it be. It's going to get more demanding. And then even for flat panel gaming. It's going to get more demanding too. 4K will be a thing. It has become more of a thing. I mean those cheapo Korean computers on eBay. It's funny because you go back at AMD had a slide at 2014 event that was the rise of monitors. And go back at 1080p resolutions. Cheapo monitors on eBay. It's growing. The cost. The price to end users reflect the actual cost. Display manufacturers need to get over people's $1000 TV. This is not in monitor size but in monitor resolution which I personally feel very strongly is very important. Another thing that caught me off guard with this one is COD requiring 50 bits of space. I know quite a few people that since SSDs became generally affordable. That might change a little bit. That's going to be over. You talk to the guys. Those of you who have been following us. Speaking of sponsors we have a digital and talk to them very frankly. Do you have any idea how many people are storing? As much as Microsoft might release a 1TB SSD or Samsung might release a 1TB SSD. These are still gaming men. Not on a drive that actually does nothing. Larger and larger games. One of the things I really noticed about 4K at the AMD event was holy crap these textures look terrible. With this kind of pixel they all look like ass. It's kind of like when you moved up to 1600 by 1200. When the block and the texture is this big everything has to keep up. Image quality to keep improving. To me 4K gaming is going to drive a big change in the way that every... 50 gig games are going to be the norm. Not in the future. Moving forward. That could hold us off for a little while longer yet. Seriously because now when you can download a game it can pretty much never be bigger than that. I know quite a few people that if they had to download a 50 gig game they could wait weeks. When you can mail a disc around the world for 4 bucks or whatever. We're moving backwards in terms of the way the technology works. This is funny because we filmed something at Intel campus once back with NCIX Tech Tips. Because their legal team had to review the footage before I could take it away with me they were like well you can't take the footage with you so we'll mail it to you. Really. So we went our separate ways. Their legal team reviewed the footage. They were like yeah we need... there's a customer name here that... made drive... blur that. Stuff like that. Careful with this stuff. Okay what's your mailing address? I was like come on. Let's FTP this. Let's do something. Because the way their security works at their campus. They couldn't do this. They couldn't do that. I was like this is one of the most technologically advanced companies in the world. They can't use technologically advanced systems. To me one of those things where I'm sitting here going... They're like across their offices they probably has FTP or their own pipes. Sure they do. Actually honestly it's Intel they probably have their own pipes. But it's funny because... is still difficult to just send a file to someone. You struggle with attachment size limit. Or with people who don't know how to use FTP and you're just like oh for crying out loud. Wait is it Usend? Hytale. Whatever. Speaking of which when we originally introduced our rebranding for the live stream the WAN show people complained about it. I heard a complaint in a long time. I've certainly gotten over this. Roaming charges. Roaming data charges. Roaming text charges. Roaming phone charges. The Verge. This is post online as Tech Tips Forum by Mr. Ivnak. I think that's what he's going for here. T Mall. Unlimited global. At no extra charge. Go. It's 128 kilobytes a second but still it's enough to do a lot of what you really need to do when you're on the road. And one of his main comments actually is we found quote unquote quote not quote unquote. We found that a lot of our users were just turning off. They were going to airplane mode basically when they were traveling. That's what I do. Because it will... that part isn't a quote. But like I can't remember exactly how he says it. But basically it would screw them over so they're... and he doesn't want that to be a thing. They want them to be able to still even if it's not that great of an experience. You know constantly because you're crazy while you're traveling. To get the fastest they can possibly and you can do it super expensive. So I mean everyone suffers from this but here's the here's the message I got from Bell when I traveled to Hawaii. Twenty five dollars for fifty minutes fifty hundred text is a travel bundle which is highway robbery and a travel bundle then that airplane mode on because the rates are forty five per minute including long distance thanks. Seventy five cents per text and six dollars per meg per data. Six dollars per meg. I mean basically what they're doing is they are strong arming you into buying a mobile. And then even then the bundle is so small that you're still afraid to use it. You don't end up and they just made a... and then in his situation you have that you can you can do all your social media you can do email. At least I can Instagram. You can Instagram. I can wait. You can probably stream minor amount of... I mean being at events like G13 for AMD it was like... or check my email out and I mean this is the Yahoo article about this. Yahoo Finance suggests that maybe it's unnecessary because you know in texting services like... already yeah you know what whoever wrote idiot yeah because if true everyone would have watches no one would need an iPhone. There's a lot of places that it's and you're not 100% and why are we accepting the US which is the borderless border. Actually they're really aggressive. Yes. Yes and I know that but it is an unguarded border. They're just unguarded border. It has more stretches of unguarded border. Well yeah because there's more... Yes okay but that's not the point. The point is that compared to the borders in a lot of countries it's not a big deal. Compared to the... I can just use a driver's license for a long time. I could just use a driver's license to drive down into the US. I don't need a visa. I don't need a passport. I mean to me the idea that you know the second you... the telcos are really good at this. They do it sometimes before they actually get over and in certain parts of the country they're like nope you're in the States. The way I would have imagined the carriers would have wanted it to work was that they could billy because then they could all users well we're the good guy. Us when you're when you're roaming on their network there's nothing we can do. If they were they would have gotten together in a room with cigars and dogs playing on the wall. They would have but they would have come up with that idea because then they could have done it forever. They could have all done it forever. The way it's your carrier is the one actually. So mobile revealed that 90% of the road... Nothing. Yes. So they... All the other carriers can... yeah whatever you can charge our users very little to use your... we'll just charge your users to use ours. I bet you they actually tried and I bet you places like Carrier... I mean T-Mobile is still a minor player but this could take a big chunk out of the market share of someone like T-Mobile where it's a GSM network so people gravitate towards it so that they can take their phone somewhere and use it especially when it's carrier locked. And then these guys could be a great alternative. Phone calling is not included, it's not unlimited so it's 20 cents a minute but at least that's reasonable. At least if you're using it for three minutes it's not five. I'm roaming, I'm like yo I'm roaming, give me seconds go. And I wouldn't have to feel like that. I think I remember reading something in there too like long distance phone plans I think it's extra a month or something. And they... I wanted a roaming plan that just includes me being allowed to be down in the states from time to time. No. I mean it's a pretty competitive price. It's an alleged thing for the most part but it seems to have been fairly on the money. There's some evidence. Yeah. Yeah. Smoking gun on it and no one was standing around when the gun went off and like... There's a few guns and they all have fingerprints. I'm just gonna say allegedly even if it's been proven already I don't want to get in trouble here but allegedly Origin PC, so it's a boutique system builder in the states, was paid to remove GPU options and not only that but make very public statements. So this was posted by Tech Fanatic on the forum. Make very public statements about how because of Nvidia GPUs better reliability and better stability they were ditching AMD graphics cards entirely. They were really public about it. Basically like a smear campaign and a publicity campaign. So that's what it looked an awful lot like. The original article that... Accurate is actually probably one of the better ones. Anyway, the article on Semi Accurate, that's the most recent one, outlines a lot of the details of why this probably happened and why it makes a lot of sense because the timing doesn't look very coincidental. Yeah, not at all. Rumors and I'm not gonna name any... I don't want to be cited saying this for the first part but I've heard rumors that the pay...... proportional to the lost business that was projected that the companies would have to suffer by not AMD graphics cards. Well, okay. Completely ignoring the... It was also rumored they'd get early... Nvidia's upcoming Mac GPUs. Yes, yeah. Completely ignoring the current topic... Okay, say it's like...... by doing this and a bunch more to make it public and more to make it worth doing and then you'd have to give them further... If this happens, there are tons...... for a second that sat down and said, hey, if we give you a whack ton of money, will you...... that's really the way it works. It was like, hey, we want to offer you this MDF program, which is a very important one, in order to promote Nvidia products and help us to communicate the value of Nvidia to gamers, which quite frankly a lot of the time is very... I mean, Nvidia cards do offer compelling value to gamers. So do AMD cards, for that matter. I was just gonna say, there's a lot on the... I'm deceptive saying that. There's a lot on the AMD side, especially in just... Intel has a lot of...... in order to communicate that, because Intel doesn't have...... reach to every user who could use a CPU. They don't communicate directly. They need someone like...... to have Intel inside stickers on those laptops. They need that messaging...... and that's where money changes hands. So it's not like this is completely unprecedented, a manufacturer giving money to someone who sells their products, to sell them better. The problem here is the way that it's very awkwardly denied and awkwardly made very public. I'm actually gonna go against you and be more aggressive than that, because they completely dropped a line. Well, yeah, that's the problem. And they didn't completely drop a line as in... Okay, hold on, because not selling... not having AMD CPUs...... not having AMD CPUs...... and that is part of the problem. That's where I was going with that. That's where I was just going. So, like, not having systems that have them and just...... like, okay, well, we have a strategic partnership with them. Are we gonna say that EVGA is anti-competitive because they don't sell AMD...... Nvidia graphics cards? No, they just have strategic partnerships. The problem to me is the publicity. The publicity and denouncing and all that. You say they suck because of X. That's denouncing. That's a problem. Yes. Saying...... saying we choose...... article, so apparently the program is allegedly called Tier Zero, and I think there was a comment on this article at some point that basically said the program is dead. So the program is over....... wasn't a good idea to keep...... and I tend to agree with it. Speaking of Nvidia initiatives............ something Nvidia is doing lately that actually is kind of cool. They're selling Warframe games, and they're selling BattleBocks. BattleBocks. 4K certified gaming through selected partners. I think that's right. And it's not just through Virgin, it's through other C-makers as well. And the idea is just these are powerful enough for 4K gaming so people know what they're getting into without necessarily having to worry about all the specs. A lot of people, I saw a couple of people, to be completely honest, they're not targeting you guys. They're targeting the people that are going to buy. GPU posted on the forum in response to one of the things we were talking about last week. GK110 was never meant to be used in a GTX 680 like product. So this post is in direct response in which etc. And you guys can go ahead and check it out. Definitely always post the document on the LinusTechTips forum. So it has all this cache, it has compute accelerators, it has this, it has that. Compete with AMD's consumer radio online in 2012. It couldn't be possible. It was impossible. Per calculated. All that's fine and good. That doesn't mean it was never intended to compete. So the key word. That doesn't mean it was never intended to be a GTX. In fact, we see it's a GTX. If they could have achieved those goals then would they have done it? Maybe, maybe not. Because they certainly did. And they were better off shipping much more lucrative Teslas. Number one is one of the points in this post is because it was more of a compute oriented design, it was therefore not meant for gaming. GTX 480. If it ends in an 80. Compute oriented design. GTX 480. We have not yet seen a GPU from Intel that has not made its way into a GPU graphics card at some point. If they could do that then great. Number two was that they needed all the support for the super computer. Okay. That doesn't mean that they never intended anything. If they had more you could easily do that and do something. Okay, so furthermore, GK1. Correction correct capabilities safer for workloads that rely on ECC. Okay. Well, I mean they were moving towards more Tesla and more quality anyway. That's a new thing. That's not a new problem. That's not something that they weren't already. Before this. Okay, the first GK1 10 based consumer product launch was GTX Titan. That's 13 months after the 7970. So even if Nvidia had intended to use GK680 it would have come up more than that. Okay. Which is exactly why their really lucky 7970 wasn't a lot. Again, GTX 480. That Nvidia would have been late on a product launch with a part that wasn't necessarily, you know, trimmed optimized for gaming. And that doesn't mean they never intended for GTX 480. That doesn't mean they never intended GK1 10 to be a GTX. They've got the yields now where they're delivering 99 card GTX. Look at the way their product stack. GK1 10 fit everything from the 499 price band all the way to the 249 price band. They've never done that before. That's never a strategy. And you can quote me on it will never intentionally be part of their strategy. And to position a mid range intended GPU against a top tier GPU. That is the direction that they moved in. As long as it can help it. That doesn't mean GTX 680 was never intended to be GTX. And the headline was GTX 680. I don't necessarily believe that either. So anyway, there you go. I think it's great that they were able to avoid the blood bath they would have taken on selling these cards. But again, it's not like they've never taken a blood bath on a top tier product before. It's not like they've never launched a V8 product before. It's not like a top tier product has never. That's my take on it. Maybe, maybe somewhere in the back room. From day one, GK1 10 was not intended to be part of that family as the top tier product. I doubt it. We've got a few things. So let's jump into a thing you might not be so familiar with. Let's go down to the gold. Oh yeah, this is awesome. Are you sure we can't do a galaxy round? Well, let's do that later. We'll split up the topics a little bit. HTC introduced HTC One. This was posted by Top War Gamer on the forum and I want one. I think they made like five though, so I don't think I'm getting one. But then, but then go to the... So it costs roughly $4000 like that. But the Verge had a great thing up here as well. And that is that you can already get gold plated phones from goldgenie.com anyway. So don't have an affiliate program with goldgenie.com. They have not given us any money for a sponsor spot here, so don't take this for anything that it isn't. But holy balls, that is so cool. You can get like... Game console? We. Golden we. Golden we. We got the... iPhone 5, iPhone 5S. I mean this is cool and I think that's... I'm sure if you contacted them you could get pretty much whatever you wanted gold plated considering their selection that they have. Oh my goodness. Everything we have left I'm going to end up ranting about. I know I think we've made at least like a little bit of a break between the ranting. Alright well we're up again. Nvidia limiters to 3. I'm going to go after Nvidia again. Nvidia edition by Jeremy. So basically what Nvidia... They've taken a limitation that they already have and they have unnaturally injected it into their Linux drivers in order to not be showing preferential treatment to the Linux platform versus Windows because they only support 3 monitors on Windows. Specific quote. For feature parity between Windows and Linux, base mosaic to screens. Like what? Oh my. You don't want to show preference? You hated Linux forever and gave them things. Like screw you. I just... all my rage. It actually makes... because when Linus Torvalds was like I'm not going to take my finger away yet I was like oh but they're finally... That's not to say AMD is perfect either so AMD has got a bit of a weird thing going on here where they're in order to get HDMI audio carried over the DVI port. So using a DVI to HDMI... And that's not because there's something complicated. Remember guys, DVI to HDMI adapters are adapters not signal adapters. There's no logic built into them. It's pin to pin. Which means that the... that they are... they are... the audio out by... for... for a module that's inside the adapter before it's... I mean... I mean it's not like Nvidia... so they're... they would be preventing... Like what? Why?, I mean again AMD is guilty of this too. I actually asked this in my briefing.... so they could in theory enable it but I suspect they won't in much the same way that Intel never enabled trim on their X25Ms. I mean, I'm not trying to pick on anybody here. I'm just saying I don't like this practice. It makes me really uncomfortable. I mean, okay, I'll give AMD this though. At least they're allowing cross-generating fire so far. Someone tried 7970, I think it was, with R9. Well, people had some. They're literally rebranded, I know that. But Nvidia has never allowed that in the past. Yes, that's why I said, I was actually genuinely surprised. When the last one, the rebranded was, and I think it. I think it was, 8800GTS to. To 98. I guess 250, something like that. 88? No, 9800GTX plus to GTX. Okay, that would be the most recent one. I think that was the most recent one they did. And they did not allow cross-platform SLI in spite of the fact that they were the same. So at least AMD is allowing that. However, I don't know how long they're gonna keep doing that because part of the micro-stutter trouble, I mean, is. They've talked about it and they've controlled the plat very carefully, is that part of micro-stutter, I don't know. I don't know because then if you had two of the same, it wouldn't be there. What wouldn't be there? Yeah, so like, I mean, because 7950's on the same spot as 7970, for example. If you have two different GPUs that can't even perform the same calculations at the same rate. Then I could see you possibly. A cool user where you can. Well, because this one's exactly the same as that. I just wanna say that. But I think in terms of if that ends up being a problem mixed to GPU crossfire, maybe they will have to simplify and just say same GPU, same family, go. So I mean, I guess this is an opportunity to discuss region in general. Maybe we should save it for next week. Mass transit directions have been added. Which I think is phenomenal. So you better not post it on the forum. The original article is from Engadget. I think this is one of the most useful things there could be about Google Glass between helping me get to where I need to go and being mounted to my head and telling me who people are that I meet because I'm not very good with names and faces. I would pay $1,000 for a Google Glass that has that functionality and reasonable life right now. There you go. Since when did you become a caller? Well, I don't have $1,000. You don't even take transit. I take transit sometimes. When? In Hawaii. I don't think you'd spend $1,000 on that. You never take transit. I spent $1,000 on things that are. Never mind transit, just in general, having directions. I mean, mounted to my head, dash. A, covers my head, and B, I'm not sure how to get to my head. At least the speedometer in my car works. Hey, mine does now. Samsung's curved smartphone gets pictured in leak and confirmed. This was pointed by YouBetterNot on the forum, and there's some good points from that Norwegian guy. You want to go ahead and feel these? OK. So here, let's see if we can pull up. There's a picture. So that's what it looks like. It's curved. My favorite thing that Norwegian guy brought up was the curved screen will certainly make it better at falls. Yeah, OK, might be less likely to get damaged. Sure. The pocket, I don't necessarily know if I agree with, because some people are different sizes, and that could be exactly the same. Yeah, so he said it'll be better for putting it in your pocket. I tend to disagree with that, because I usually put my phone in screen away from my body. Oh. If you don't have your phone completely powered off. Yeah, also, if I have other things in my pocket, I usually make it screen away and then put everything. OK. A track here. One thing that I don't think is in here, it's easier for people with smaller hands to reach that top left corner. Yeah, no, I think that's in there. Something flat. Rest more comfortably and secure in your hand. Could be a problem for people with smaller hands. Yeah, so better reach, more comfortable, laying it down on your nightstand to wake it up, the time you focus towards your ear, making it sound like you're talking to you, I don't know. That's if your speaker's not mounted, I guess. Yeah, that's true. There's some functionality of if it's laying on a table, if you pull down on the white, it'll show you any notifications you have of the time in the battery. OK, so here's my problem. OK, watch this. Boom. OK, now what? Now I got this weird curved screen that doesn't fit any better in my hands and doesn't experience it in any way. I don't think it's that curved. It's pretty curved. Let's go back to the point. It's so curved that it's going to be unusable. I don't know. It looks ridiculous to me. And the other thing that bothers me about it is the whole curved screen thing, from an eye fatigue perspective, is supposed to be better, because the screen is equidistant from your eyes at all points. And it's projecting light directly towards your eye. But the issue for me with that, then, is, again, watching content sideways, which is how I, particularly when I'm like enjoying content on my phone, is usually how I'm using it. I see it making it worse. I really actually completely disagree. I don't necessarily see it making it better. I really don't see it making it worse. I don't think it's curved that much. If you're looking at it, it's not like it's going to be curved, and you're looking up into an overhang that you can't see. You're going to be able to see the whole screen. No, you'll look at the whole screen. I think it'll look distorted. I don't know. Because that's what causes a movie theater screen to not appear to be curved. It makes it appear to be a real in front of you, is the fact that it's curved. If you were to turn the screen and turn it on, Ted, and then, OK, wait and see, I guess. Yeah. I don't buy that phone. I'm just saying I don't. Topic. So Samsung has not only allowed carriers to lock the Note 3 to their networks, but they have actually locked it down region-wise, which flies in the face, to me, of the direction that the industry should be going and coming to the industry starkly with the channels doing, enabling roaming on their network with a reasonable cost. And then Samsung's turning around and making it so the phones can't be unlocked in particular. OK, so yes, a T-Mobile customer can still take their Note 3 with them when they're traveling, to be very clear. But what Samsung has done is they've allowed the gray market to lock their phones. So the sale of unlocked phones will be very region-specific, and you will be limited to getting a phone from your carrier. And if every company is progressive thinking and allows you to buy unlocked phones without contract, all that kind of stuff, then something like that would be fine. But otherwise, I think people are going to end up in a situation where they can't get a Note 3 for their carrier without signing a long contract. So again, the direction is going to be becoming more global and less locked down. And this, to me, is just the right way to go about this. I read originally that Samsung's region locked. And then I read that once you put an initial SIM in, that you could change it. But then if it's being locked in hardcore in multiple ways, once you put that SIM in, you're going to be screwed. So more locking. On that post on an OnTech about voting with your wallet not being locked in. In relation to this, and I totally agree, I think voting with your wallet is incredibly important. The idea that one voice doesn't count is that you're going to have to buy something. That's money that you take directly away from their potential revenue and give it to a competitor. A large number of people probably what I typed. And it wasn't to do the same thing. I know you vote with your wallet. I also vote with my wallet. And I do agree that the one person thing is ridiculous because the one person thing isn't actually a one person. Hopefully everyone is doing it. It bundles a much larger number. It makes it a much bigger situation. It's a much bigger situation. Like I don't think the scope will hit enough people to make the vote. People will never know. Samsung's not doing the same thing on other platforms. There's still lots of alternatives within Samsung's own lineup that people can buy. And another thing that I hope that I talk about within the article, there probably won't be. But if we talk about it, we'll talk about it, and everyone starts talking about it, it gets bigger. Once it gets big enough, we can make the vote. In that one article, I don't necessarily think it would have been enough people. I have no idea what that's doing in there. All right, do you want to do the forum update while I fire up the builds of the week? I think that got moved. That was probably somewhere else. Anyway, the number for folding is now 76. We went up 10 spots from last week, which is ridiculous. I believe we're currently the fastest moving team in the world. We have 1,101 members right now. We gained 63 from last year. We have a 4P folding member. Imaginarium, I believe is his name. So we know we're doing a crazy machine. 4 processors. We're doing the one from last week, because so many people didn't get it. Yeah, so that's actually pretty awesome. Our Boink team is 11th in Canada and 10th in the world. So they're doing quite as well, but they're still really well. They went up 22 spots worldwide since last week. So that's actually pretty awesome. They have 123 members. All right, build logs of the week, guys. Arctic Water by B Negative. Go. So this is actually the same machine we did last week. Just because this really cut off and it's at the very end, we felt, or I felt at least, that a lot of people might have missed it. And I didn't want these guys to lose their spotlight. So we're doing it again. So this machine is just absolutely insane. There's a lot of raw copper, which I'm sure he coated so that it wouldn't get all messed up. But you can actually see these painted things specifically. Parts on the saber tooth motherboard and the tops of his ram and that little mesh bit right there. All this kind of stuff. And he actually opted to go with the default crossfire bridge, which no one likes showing because it's usually ugly, but it actually fits in this build. And it's just absolutely beautiful. So that's built by B Negative, who's actually quite well known. All right, custom watercooled desk by P Bane. So an absolutely beautiful build. Just looks incredible. And the amount of attention to both of these was crazy. But it wasn't quite exactly the kind of orange that I would have liked. And something that I was worried about with this is these taller desks, not actually in height, but where you put things on. But it kind of fits him. And he did, as you can see, it kind of fits really well. And he did say in the description of his insanely scary for bad internet build log, because he has so many high res pictures, that he's thinking about putting a little table extension thing for his keyboard and mouse anyways. That's cool. Yeah. I really like how he did the controllers there. The dots on the side and everything. So this is something kind of interesting, that most people won't have seen yet, because we haven't started rolling it yet. But some of the videos of the week of the past are actually featured in upcoming build logs videos. You actually featured the individual build logs? So I was talking to the director about what we wanted to do for their Q4 campaign. And Josh was like, oh, we could do this, or we could do that. And I was like, oh, here's the idea. Why don't we feature a product? Why don't we feature it in such a way that, you know, because I'm not going to say that the Define R4 is my favorite case. I'm not going to say that, even if it's not my favorite case. It's a great case, but the TJ07 is my favorite case. So I'll take that money now. What I wanted to say about it is, well, let's say something about the Define R4 that started. And I was like, oh, I'm going to do this. Build logs of the week on the WAN show than any other case. And I went and checked, and it is. So it all actually contains the Define R4 cases in all their glory, cycling through it, and then finishing with a nice shot of the Define R4. And it's just like, look, here's a message. Let's do this. Define R4, you guys do, we do. I thought it was kind of a neat way to promote that. That's really cool, because you had actually come to me asking what things have been featured both featuring the individual builds. And they're called out as well. So there's pictures of builds. Edzel picked kind of a pop picture of each build and then put a handle of whoever built it underneath, which I think is going to be kind of cool to see that. So there you go, guys. That's actually pretty awesome. I think that's pretty much it for the WAN show this week. Thank you so much for tuning in, guys. We appreciate you taking the time out of your busy lives to tune in and listen to us talk about the WAN show. Hope you enjoyed our special little biscuit and our hat. 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