 Oh, that's no that's fine because it'll share on Facebook from Twitter Yeah, so they haven't managed to break that yet. Hi, welcome to the land show where we're just we just carry on Whatever internal we wane away with our conversation Yeah, as long as there's no you know, it's all about positivity though. No whining whining Oh I don't know what sound is coming out of my lap. Oh, right. It's a twitch edge. Thanks twitch All right. So we've got a bunch of great topics for you today Actually, we have a handful of really great topics for you guys today cars were hacked Well one car was hacked but it was done wirelessly, which is the big concern pro gamers. Are they using drugs? Yes, a license to kill drones Also Toshiba lied about an insane amount of money. Yeah, like like this much money Yeah, actually a lot more than that actually. Yes. Well, no depends on which movie. Oh Yes intro time I fix it I Thanks Batman, yeah No problem Christian Bale as Batman endorses Phantom Glass Which is it cuz it's like Phantom Right cuz he's like which is actually more of a Star Wars thing than a Batman Cuz the that's really funny. He has my wife in his phone with my last name She actually never changed her last name So I'm just gonna you know what what I won't do is jump right into like our big topic for today, which is that hackers managed to gain a fair amount of control over a vehicle while it was Being operated by by a person and I'm gonna go ahead and jump into one of the slightly smaller ones So this one is from naked security calm. I'm gonna go ahead and drop my favorite website twitch chat I just take this calm and let us meet you to go calm and YouTube calm slash nice take tips and I fix it calm and Phantom us What the heck? Not now. Um, alright, so this one is the headline here is right to destroy Our right to kill drones at least that's our headline for it. So here it is naked security I dreams of legally slapping drones out of the sky may come true Which I guess Luke is gonna take over because now there's a handful of people waiting for me outside the room I'll be right back. This is easily the best coordinate coordinated least problematic land show we've ever had we've I don't think not having a phone call in the middle of it from One of the owners of the company would have been any better and I don't think that having Linus leave Partway through would have made it any better either. I think this is literally the perfect state that it could have been in I just wanted to clarify that I'm getting another phone call This is fantastic the more phone calls that I get the better off the shows actually gonna be I just wanted to point that out There anyways moving on to dreams of legally slapping drones under there. I guess Linus has it on screen Can I scroll down at all? Yes, I'm gonna put text there so that it's literally impossible to get anything from it. Is there any other screenshots? No, we're gonna go back up to the drone. So I Am not very up-to-date on this topic, but I do know that a few times in a few different areas People haven't been able to put out fires due to drones being in the way helicopters have had to be grounded because the drones are getting too close to them and they're Worried about the helicopter crashing and it's just generally kind of a terrible idea now speaking of terrible ideas one of the ways that they're planning to combat this is by They would disable the drones using jamming technology, which would end up blocking Wi-Fi and GPS signals to drones Making them ultimately crash the problem with this is that it would also block calls and messages to mobile devices Meaning if they're going to do this in dangerous zones, they would be blocking people from using their cell phones, which is terrible That's actually a terrible terrible idea. So to avoid having drones being in the area They're blocking the usage of cell phones. So if you're in the dangerous area, you won't be able to contact anyone That's outside of the dangerous area It just seems like a really stupid idea they need a better way to take down the drones I I like those I liked that drone that deploys a net over other yes the hunter drone Yeah, the hunter drone. Yeah, absolutely I was kind of thinking like like mount something on the helicopter that has like a net an anti drone Gun or something. You know what? I kind of have to pee. Maybe I'll just come join the show. All right Yeah Another thing that I was thinking of is like if you have a really skilled helicopter pilot Just try to get them to squat on top of the drone all of a sudden So like come over hover above it. Also the blades on the helicopter must throw drones like crazy Unless I guess you have a really really expensive one Anyways, I'm worried about the legal response that they're trying to imply here Because I'm scared of cell phone blocking not because I'm scared of the drones falling. I don't give a crap about the drones at all Destroy them all you want. I just I do worry a little bit about blocking emergency communication Because you want to take down a drone. I think there's got to be some better way to do that There's a quote from Assemblyman Gatto in California He says just because you have access to an expensive toy that can fly in a dangerous area doesn't mean you should do it Cool I'm sure a lot of the people flying these drones probably didn't realize the negative implications of flying it in the first place Now they probably know that doesn't mean they're gonna stop doing it I'm sure a lot of these people are trying to sell footage to the news so they'll do it for whatever reason They don't care if they can get money So putting in some form of law and having a right to destroy the drones is great I just don't know if blocking all of The GPS and Wi-Fi communication is a good idea. Nerf cannons So don't another helicopter with your rescue helicopter that's just like dudes with like Nerf turrets and stuff Yeah, I don't think Nerf would really do it though. Yeah, no probably not some of the like if if we were talking like AR drones then probably but if we're talking like the The 3d are solo that we just are that we just checked out That thing is pretty robust like I can imagine having to hit it with like You know a five pound projectile at least to really make an impact unless you manage to hit a propeller or something I think it's pretty robust. So Yeah, I don't I don't have the solution. It's just it's fairly clear that jamming Signals is not it but with that said if the intention is to jam signals, you know kind of kind of a EMP bomb style, you know for Ten seconds like only something you need to take the drone out of the sky then I don't think that's what the plan is But I can't actually say because I I would I would assume that it wouldn't be used as a weapon I would assume that it uses a passive thing Right where you just have? Jamming on well, no because they're jamming GPS too, and I'm sure a rescue helicopter is gonna want its own GPS working It's not like there's GPS pixie dust that makes if you're jamming GPS then yeah I think it's mostly for fighting fires. So you can't find it I Time to just pack her up and go home, but you're right Alright, so let's get into one of our other this is just I don't know This is just kind of funny if you don't oh, yeah, and if it was an EMP the helicopter would very possibly go down Yeah, no, I don't mean EMP. I just mean like yeah, I turn on the jammer for 10 seconds. Turn it off Yeah, yeah jammers are just Exactly like turn you can buy jammers. You shouldn't they're illegal Yeah, but you'll get in trouble if you do so. Yeah. Well, you'll get in trouble if you use it I think in certain I think in Canada I looked into it in Canada I believe they are illegal to import illegal to own illegal to operate But I believe there are places where they're illegal to import and own but not legal to operate I got almost nowhere are they legal to operate? They basically shouldn't exist but there's They're pretty easy to make. Yeah, and there's ones that and they're inexpensive There's ones that are kind of like you could shut down everything within kind of a movie theater type radius sort of thing so if it's like Or like on a bus that you're traveling on so it's like I like I was looking at it as more of like a prank thing Like I was like I should get like a super low-powered one So if I'm sitting next to my sister or something, this is when I was younger, right? Be like You know, you know like the classic, you know extra TV remote behind your parents like that kind of thing But it's it's pretty serious business if you get caught using them So I really wouldn't someone in the chat was saying that they should just combat the world without a sketch They should just combat the drones by having deployable Maybe extendable fireballs on the helicopters like a giant like a water. Yeah Or like Hold on a second. What if they had a silly string cannon? Like industrial no industrial grade silly string So rope yeah, well, yeah, well that's boring when you say it like that This is less fun Yes, essentially rope, thank you so the net Right So Toshiba CEO has resigned over one point two billion dollar accounting scandal Um Over seven years, yeah, it wasn't like all of a sudden in one deal. They magically made a fake Ad not be blocked. Are you kidding me? All right. There we go. Sorry about that you guys So eight board members including vice chairman have resigned their posts as part of a major management Reshuffle their current chairman was named interim president and this is one of the oh, oh, this is this is funny So your end dividends and postpone earnings have been canceled So there will be no dividends Unfortunately on the fake money. Yeah, Toshiba stock has dropped around 20% since early April and the accounting issues first came to life Here's what I'm kind of curious about. Why did anyone actually believe that Toshiba was making money? What do they even do? They sell some laptops not that many of them. I do know that and they bought a company right But do they do they even still make TVs? I Don't know. I have one of theirs and I like it. There you go Toshiba Canada 3d TV LED TV. Okay, let's just okay Let's let's go to Toshiba's website. I'm just curious. What do they actually do? I mean once the last time you saw a Toshiba tablet I remember back when the first round of like decent Android tablets were rolling out back in the Tegra two days so you had like the the Motorola zoom You had the Asus transformer like TF 101 or whatever that thing was you had the the Samsung one Then we actually still have deployed to this day the Galaxy tab 10.1 and then Toshiba had one that was just like awful Toshiba I want to say thrive Toshiba thrive Tablet 10.1 8gig. Yeah, that was it. It had that like massive bezel Yeah, and it was like super thick and just like generally Thrives off of a little bit too much. Yeah, it was just kind of stupid compared to everything else So let's like look at all this stuff. So Here, you know what we got a straw pull this straw pull this have you bought anything from Toshiba in the last year? Nice. Yeah No Me neither So we have two nos Good start Okay, oh wow, there's a whoa Oh, yeah, there was this is the new straw pull has been updated We can make you guys do a captcha before answering if we didn't want to get any responses to her straw pulls Although everyone is answering in the twitch chat guys. We don't look at it except when we do Yes, that is how people do polls It's like if I wanted to conduct a national survey I would just I would just like have an open phone line that people just call in and say their answers and then I wouldn't Write it down. I would just sit there and I kind of go. Oh, yeah, it really seems like 22% so laptops desktops tablets Computer accessories like I gotta I gotta know I gotta know what computer accessories. Oh, I think I'm on the support site So this might not even all be current stuff All right She ba dot ca slash sorry. Okay. Yeah We're sorry Sorry Toshiba accessories blowout. They make you ps is apparently okay. Okay office products Oh large like like large multifunctions telecom stuff bags monitors Portable storage. Okay, so like rebranding stuff a lot of this is gonna be rebranding stuff Okay, they make industrial stuff like point of sale this and that and barcode printers ups is surveillance systems medical MRI systems Oh, wow, okay. Okay, so this way involved in that kind of stuff digital signage. So very very industrial industrial oriented but of course that relies on winning bids and Whereas consumer can be more can be more run rate business. So having a look at how the results are looking Wow A mere 11% of you have bought anything from Toshiba in the last year Speaking of turnips by the way the vote for turnip shirt. I think this is the last day. Oh my gosh I haven't ordered one yet Okay, I need to I need to get my order going here Three hours left. So I'm gonna have like an hour after when show an hour and a half after when show to deal with this All right Yeah, what's our next oh next topic okay doping in eSports this is This is This Yeah, yeah, I just did that yep, yeah all good no, what's this? Oh I see um So where are we going to what's going on? What's going on doping in eSports doping in eSports? All right. Did you copy that into the twitch chat? All right. I'm gonna bring up the I like closed the I closed the WAN show doc. I have no idea what's going on today so I Guess there's two different Sort of major questions here Number one is you know Why are No, I guess there's one major question here Um, who didn't know about this? Yeah Why are we pretending that this is some kind of surprise oh my god, we need to work with like Drug agencies and stuff To drug test people for things that literally everyone's doing and we all knew what's happening like the ESL guys I'm sure they knew of course they did I knew I don't even follow eSports and like I've been aware of this for literally years Like little land tournaments that I used to go to people would do it there. Yeah, like it's not like there weren't guys with like Riddlin at land tournaments, and I'm not saying that no one would do it there I've got a bit of a you know bombastic personality and That's not too hard to pick up on there at one point or another I might have been on Riddle in with a prescription it did mellow me out by the way But you know, I lost some of my energy which I think is sort of how it works Improved my focus though. That's for sure. So I I guess I just What is the controversy? Here the car I guess the controversy like they've known enough to have it in their regulations That you're not allowed to use performance enhancing drugs and they've also known enough to not build in any kinds of of Penalties for using them because if they penalize players for using performance enhancing drugs They know that they're just it's gonna be like Yeah, Major League Baseball all over again Because everyone's roiding so to speak even though they're not writing because you don't actually need like a huge arm to operate on You know, what is it 63 grams for a thing? No, I think Pasha biceps would disagree. Well Basha Okay, I did specifically I specifically brought up the final mouse for that reason You got a heavier mouse, you know, you got a g502, you know You got a wireless mouse with some double a batteries in there then a you probably shouldn't be like professionally gaming on a wireless mouse But that's a whole other whole other conversation The point is is that this is this is just kind of a So as a former cloud nine player Corey sent fist freezing who said in an interview quote, I don't even care We were all on Adderall And this This is this is this is great So the interviewer then interjects with everyone does Adderall on yes at ESL one, right to which he replies in the affirmative and then What an awkward moment that is because as you know, I gotta give I gotta give freezing credit here Because this is totally not the way this story plays out usually we're talking years or decades of denial and lengthy legal processes to Prove that you know someone was trying to get into a fight with a Lengthy legal processes to prove that you know, someone was someone was doping Instead we're taking the honest path here It's like and this is this is again part of the reason why I am Confused as to why anyone thinks that this was a secret because yeah, it's not like in an interview It would be unusual to handle the question this way But in casual conversation It's not a secret. Yeah So, um, I guess I just I don't really know what else to say. I mean, what are they doing? What's the action plan? I don't I think there there's some plans to bring in certain drug agencies like let's see here We're taking the steps to level We're taking the steps to level with that's a weird sense to level with traditional sports and it's going to take a while before Any eSports organization will administer regular drug tests We hope to speed this process up proactively by seeking advice from authorities and starting small Full-blown drug tests at eSports events are far away, but that doesn't mean we can't and shouldn't try to tackle the issue What is going on I'm just popular I'm just basically a cool guy Yeah, I know right So, I mean here's uh So we're yeah, we want to basically they're gonna work on it. It's gonna take a while It's been happening for literally forever and everyone knew it was happening and they only care because it's brought to the spotlight and a whole Bunch people are like wow, I didn't know about this and then that's about it You know South Park did that great episode about the the whole Tiger Woods cheating thing Where basically like every male on the planet is involved in this gigantic conspiracy where they're pretending that you know men with money and power Wouldn't they have to be like sex crazed and like diseased in the head to leverage that to you know Mate with as many partners as they can the kind of thing like like and I'm not I'm not saying that everyone with money and power Is you know running around? Sleeping with tons of women or anything or any woman might you know? I'm just I'm just saying it's one of those basal basal instincts is sowing the seed and so anyway It's this gigantic conspiracy that no one can understand Why what could drive a man to do that and they just kill anyone who you know? That's the women on to that like it's it's a fairly. It's a it's a fairly natural thing to you know Try to create the the best offspring by you know and lots of them and like all that kind of stuff It's just kind of a human nature thing this feels very very similar in the sense that it's like The least well-kept secret on the face of the earth and yet we're pretending that oh my god This was happening wow no one takes steroids in football Ever Why would you do that? I don't know you know what's funny the NHL manages to keep their Manages to keep their face pretty clean on most of that stuff There's surprisingly little scandal in the NHL compared to a football and basketball. Yeah, I think I don't know why that is. I actually have no idea I legitimately don't know because you know ice skates can't melt steel beams Because you can you can look at certain things about About a sport like barrier to entry You know regions where it's popular Barrier of entry for for ice hockey, but you could make this a very similar argument about something like football I Don't think even as much not as much that's true But you know compared to something like basketball where literally anyone can go shoot hoops at the local Basketball court because yeah, there are lots of them even football um Like hockey if you play like floor hockey in the street your barrier of entry is pretty low, but it's also Quite different from ice hockey playing football in the street with your buddies I would even argue is more similar to actual football Right, that's a that's a fairly good argument because at least you're like fundamental movement properties don't change Yeah, yeah, whereas ice skating even the most similar thing we have to ice skating which I guess would be rollerblading is Really not that close. I was a very good rollerblader and a trash ice skater I could go really fast, but I couldn't like stop or happy Gilmore Oh my gosh, I screwed up. I thought I had the wrong movie reference for a second I was like that's like one of my all-time favorite movies. How could I screw this up go watch pixels pixels? What is it do not go watch pixels? What's pixels? It's an it's from happy Gilmore productions. What is happy Gilmore productions? They're a happy Gilmore Wait, what is it you mean Adam Sandler? Yeah, but he has a production company. Does he really it's terrible All these things actually happen in Adam Sandler's pixels Well, this is a Kotaku article we have Madison productions Oh, okay as you've likely heard it's a bad movie almost pleasingly stupid Act one a young Brenner and young Cooper pedaled to a new arcade called the electric dreams factory We see cabinets of Pac-Man Brenner enters himself into the 1982 worldwide arcade championship Releases a tie-breaking Donkey Kong title bout to Eddie plant Dan Ackroyd MC's the tournament and announces that footage of the games will be included on a probe that is being sent into space Well, that's already completely incoherent There's amazing video reviews of this or people just tear it apart the president summons Brenner and Ludlow to the oval office Has been analyzing the alien attacks and has been analyzing the alien attacks Has been analyzing the alien attacks and has invented light guns that can destroy them Okay Sees a couple of light guns. All right. Well, did you see it? No, no, okay I've just seen many a review that tears it apart and you brought up that dude So I thought I would just bring up two people did not go watch that movie not go watch pixels. Okay. Okay got it So, you know what? I people are like spoiler alert and a whole bunch people in the chat We're like you can't spoil an Adam Sandler movie. Yeah Such a good answer Adam Sandler is silly Adam Sandler dicks around for an hour and 20 minutes Adam Sandler prevails Basically, yeah Alrighty then you know what? I actually kind of want to straw pull the whole the whole eSports doping thing because you know what? Sometimes we get caught up in that everyone knows this but actually it's not that common knowledge eSports doping I knew I didn't know I suspected but wasn't sure and then okay. Well, yeah, we suspected no, I know cuz we saw it. Yeah I literally but if you've never been to a land and I guess you would suspect I have literally seen people who have literally Told me that they literally did not have a legitimate prescription Legitimately taking in this case not Adderall, but it was Ritalin. So I've been to At one packs that I was at in a counter strike tournament that I was in there was people taking Adderall and Ritalin and stuff And me and my buddy weren't taking Adderall and Ritalin, but we had Like, you know those balls were on energy drinks right before our match I think we had like four and then there was these caffeine energy mint things we both ate an entire pack and I was sitting there Like almost shaking that must have been really bad for it was because of reasons that I didn't know about yet Which is why I was shaking right? But that we did really well Like super well my performance was way higher than it normally was here is a great question that I that I think is that I think is actually a pretty important one because if Esports is gonna pretend that we're gonna tackle, you know performance enhancing drugs Do you think that you know? Chugging down energy drinks should be considered a performance enhancing drug. Like should you have a tolerable level of caffeine even? interesting I Don't know apparently lots of people didn't know but it is that is super definitely a Well, this could be people that don't follow eSports. Mm-hmm. That's another question Um, but caffeine is a drug isn't war on also a drug I can't remember. I don't know has an active ingredient or something something but caffeine is Shit, so should excess caffeine be a Performance enhancing drug. Yes. No, that's a lot to test for Yeah, you easily test for how much caffeine is in someone's I actually don't know and it would be completely unprecedented because I think in in in most like professional athlete type scenarios You could make the argument that caffeine wouldn't necessarily be a performance enhancer strictly speaking Whereas in in a LAN event depending on you know, how late it is, you know How long you've been up and all that kind of stuff it could have a huge a huge impact I actually like I don't even know like something like lamans Are they are they allowed to chug energy drinks? That's super interesting or are they expected to do it naturally You know what let us let us know The greatest endurance race has its own brand of energy drink It is a special drink for drivers and helps them stay focused contains caffeine Ginseng extract and vitamin B, but it doesn't actually say whether they're allowed to consume them or not I assume if they have an official one that they can but But I don't know Very very interesting thing is eSports events Organizers limit the drugs and blah blah blah. It will be super interesting blah blah blah will be super stupid if you run a cool drug that made you constant a cold drug that made you Dequeued for being sick. It's a blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, you can't ban caffeine So there you go. There's also like tolerance levels for caffeine is a huge thing, too Isn't it? And I mean a lot of people are bringing up that lots of eSports teams are sponsored by energy drinks Oh, yeah, I mean energy drinks and gaming they go together like, you know peas and carrots my friends orange and black Orange and black. No, I think orange replaced black. So if energy drinks if energy drinks became gamers and Played games So we've got 50% of you saying no, but actually a Surprising 30% of you saying yes Excess caffeine should be considered a performance enhancing or Nahan sing drung is apparently what I wrote. I could probably use some caffeine Um and you can ban things from events that aren't controlled substances So one in the chat was like you can't ban caffeine from the event. It's not a controlled substance. You totally oh, yeah for sure You can Absolutely. You could ban the wrong type of you can ban alcohol. Well, I guess that's technically a controlled substance But the point is you can ban whatever you want people from wearing a specific type of t-shirt I'm not yeah, I I went and played badminton at a local like like a country club Like it was actually have to have the right type of shoes. He didn't mark up before No, no, the story is better than that. Okay, so no no any badminton center won't let you in the front door with black Sold shoes. Yeah, even if they're non marking. Yeah, no way clear souls or get out. Yeah Cuz like those mats are I think 10 grand each so you run around putting marks on them So I had never been to one of those types of places like you have you ever do a country club Yeah, like like that style of establishment For golfing once okay, so I like I didn't get to go inside Right exactly specifically stayed outside. So I was allowed inside We were kind of snuck in so it's kind of a long story But I know someone who who knows someone who? Who got grandfathered into a membership here? Even though the sister club that they were a member of that got them Grandfathered in is much less expensive. This one is apparently like tens of thousands of dollars to buy your initial membership Plus your annual fee like like ballin things I would never do so anyway, I I came to play badminton on there like Completely empty and like the floors were amazing like there's the there's there's there's like gym floors Which kind of suck because the grip isn't great and the the impact can be is very heavy It's kind of harder on your knees then there's the rubber floors which have like kind of a padding Those are the green ones that you've seen and that's actually what they play on Professionally and then there's a really good gym floors. So really good gym floors actually have spring to them Some people don't know this but you can design a gym floor so that it actually has like a suspension system basically to it and That's where you get the the cushion that you would normally get with like foam but you get the you get that but you also get the Like the smoothness and the the impact of a wooden floor and if it's well finished, it's it's gorgeous It was great to play on Anyway, we didn't realize until or our guest or our host who allowed us in didn't realize until we showed up That he had forgotten to tell us that it's white clothes only So I was actually in one of the and the funny thing about professional badminton is you go and you look up the greatest badminton player of all time Arguably definitely in the world right now and every picture of the guy he's wearing red and gold for the team China It's not a thing in professional badminton. This is just a snooty. Here's our house rules thing So I guess I don't really remember where I was going with this The point is that you can have whatever rules you want with respect to attire and substances and anything and that's basically it I've got people bringing up Serena Williams So I do the right sport Yeah, I mean she does hold a racket and didn't she get wrecked by some dude who was like ranked 200 or something Yeah, but like come on. I and I think that was the you're saying best in the world. This is an open bracket The guys can I go? Okay. Yes. Yes, you could you could say that Fun fact about badminton is it's the only Olympic sport where men and women compete on the same field? At the same time against each other. That's cool. Yeah Interesting. Hey, okay. So why don't we move on? Hmm, what do we got here? Let's do it. Let's do a rapid-fire topic. This is interesting So iOS 8 is at 85% adoption Google is relatively quiet about Lollipop over there. So let's go ahead and post. Oh, I posted wrong one in the chat Yeah lollipop, you know, I'm really worried about the droid turbo Because I got lollipop 5.1 like a week and a half ago Okay, so the odds that I'm gonna get M&M or marzipan or marshmallow or whatever it is They're calling it the odds that I'm gonna get that ever I Consider to be fairly low and I don't know. I think it's some app that I'm using that got an update recently or something but Droid turbo, I'm like barely making it through a day right now on lolly Whoa, I only used it for like one day. So maybe it was a really, you know, heavy flow day, so to speak So I'm at 5.0 point 2 and this thing like the only reason why I like this phone is one because it's waterproof Which is cool and two because it just lasts forever right like I Very rarely charge my phone two three times a week tops Yeah, so I'm I'm having trouble but anyway that's there's there's there's a lot of other issues with lollipop I absolutely hate I know this I'm not using dry turbo right now. That's exactly I hate the way that lollipop piles up your like notifications It's just little icons instead of just letting you scroll through who thought it was a good idea To make one touch wait for an animation and then scroll through your notifications Yeah, it's like you're using a desk Who thought that was a good idea? Because it feels like you're moving papers on desk because I get a lot of notifications People are always giving me crap in my phone reviews about like, huh You've got so many like things in your things and like, you know what? I never clear them because there's literally no point it will fill up in like 20 minutes. Oh, I just got 500 Instagram notifications. Okay They still need notifications on because it'll tell you when certain people do something So Apple has managed to get 85% of their active users on iOS 8 13% are running iOS 7 and a mere 2% are running an earlier version of iOS I mean part of this is you could probably make the argument that Apple does an okay job of planned obsolescence through Degraded performance like my iPhone 4 runs way worse than it used to Oh, there's other reasons why it might run way worse definitely the operating system But there's also definitely other reasons and things have gotten more demanding We expect more from our mobile devices and the app developers are happy to deliver that to us And we're just gonna have to upgrade our hardware to keep up because quite frankly even an Android device from you know Five years ago or like how old of a device do you have to have to be stuck on iOS 6? That would be like four to five years ago an Android device from that kind of era is gonna be horrible like absolutely horrible for everything yeah, so Google it looks like their numbers Android 5 is accounting for a mere 11.6% of devices We have 5.1. Just 0.8% with the vast majority so that's 39.2 plus 37.4 still running KitKat and Jelly Bean it's almost an even split there That's almost 80% on KitKat and Jelly Bean Yeah, not quite, but so lollipop is a flop for whatever reason and hopefully the next version of Android Yeah, I don't know I had a lot of people rubbing their Nexus phones in my face when I was running the Droid Turbo on KitKat and I was just like K Hashtag long hair don't care is that a hashtag All right, let's speaking of things that everyone should care about let's move into what is really our big topic of the day Oh, God hackers have managed to remotely kill a Jeep on the highway original article here is from wired.com Let's go ahead and pull that up. It's not a very picture heavy article here So there's not a whole lot for me to visually show you guys, but here's the Jeep After its brakes were remotely disabled sending it into a ditch So we'll give you guys the whole skinny on this I'll make my way through the very detailed Summary that I think Nick has been quite hard at work on and would be upset if I didn't somewhat make my way through it So basically it was a showcase piece done by wired featuring hackers Charlie Miller and Chris Valysek It's a result of some car hacking research that they've done over the last year It's a zero-day exploit that's targeting Jeep Cherokees that give the hacker wireless Control of the vehicle and it's not full control for example the hacker cannot take control over steering Unless the vehicle is going backwards Yeah, so if you're going forward the hacker cannot take over your steering But there's a lot of other stuff they can do so they're able to send commands to the 2014 jeeps dashboard functions steering brakes and Transmission through its entertainment system in this case they were 10 miles away from the vehicle, but the exploit is not Limited by distance so they were able to mess with air conditioning radio windshield wipers, and then they cut the transmission They can also kill the engine entirely at low speeds Abruptly engage the brakes or completely disable the brakes it can also track GPS coordinates measure the speed of the vehicle and drop pins behind it on a map tracking where it is going So this isn't the first time that wired has done a piece with these hackers about car hacking But it is the first time that the hack could be carried out wirelessly Which is obviously a much greater concern than if someone Gains physical access to your car and you know injects malware on it That's still freaky because your car is gonna be parked in public parking lots a lot That's still a super big problem and honestly will continue to still be a super big problem because we'll be a lot a Lot easier than wirelessly hacking a car so we still have to super pay attention to that But wirelessly hacking a car especially being able to mass do it like what if someone turned off all the brakes on every Jeep all at once That would be bad They claimed that they like oh well we like we didn't think it was that big of a deal No one's gonna do this right? We just make cars We don't have to worry about it, which is pathetic And I'm sure someone internally told them at some point in time, and they were just like whatevs And There's always oh god beer This is hilarious. Oh, yeah, that's coming, but yeah, so there's there's there's problems with this because car companies are notorious after everyone watched Fight Club for Having their their their calculation where they just try to decide whether or not it's worth recalling something That's not really gonna work Anymore because with something like that you can see it progressively happen over time like okay We had a few accidents here a few accidents there all right We'll pull them all back so we don't have more with this it's gonna be like oh, there's an exploit Oh every Jeep is compromised yeah, and like to be to be clear. This is not just One vehicle so it's this was done through you connect which is hold on Let me just see I want to get like the wording for all this right because it's kind of a serious topic So that's the entertainment nav phone management and Wi-Fi hotspot aspect of Chrysler and their sub-brand vehicles and it is estimated that there are as many as 471 thousand vehicles on the road with vulnerable vulnerable you connect systems in the US Now now it's only been fully tested on a Jeep Cherokee But the hackers believe that they could access any car with a you connect head unit now the big concern to me about this is Not that a car got hacked, but it's that the Auto makers live in such a different world Than the height than the high technology companies that we generally talk about whether it's your Google's or your Apple's or your Microsoft's where they'll see something like this and with exceptions Treat it like a big deal and and act on it quickly car companies are used to operating on a much longer Development cycle, you know, we're talking it could be a half a dozen years From the first, you know drawing on a napkin to a car with rubber tires on it that drives on the road Which probably looks like all the other ones so so we're we're talking like best-case scenario The vehicle that you're driving today Has incorporated ideas that are as old as you know, five six or even more years ago why? Like investigating car technology is sometimes really boring. Yeah, because it's like oh they have a seven inch tablet That's for ADP Yeah And a super grainy camera and you have to use a dial thing to do anything because it's not touch Yeah, so but but that's just that's just something that we have to understand though is that these guys work on a very very different cycle whereas Security guys, you know if you go if you go talk to someone at you know ESET for example, or you go talk to someone at McAfee. They're gonna be like, uh Yeah, you need to be on that stuff like right away or it's a huge problem And so Chrysler statement really underlines that difference in attitude to me in a terrifying terrifying way The way that the fact that they thought it was okay to address this this way. So they stated that they appreciate Miller and valis X work but under no circumstances Does FCA condone or believe it's appropriate to disclose how-to information? That would potentially encourage or help enable hackers to gain unauthorized and unlawful access to vehicle systems So they don't even understand the concept of white hat at all They think it's okay to release that statement that they don't even understand Why it's important for the code to be out there and for people to understand the exploit for it to be closed They're like, oh we didn't think they were gonna release the code. So we were just like, ah They wanna someone found it someone else can and will find it if they just want to they just want to you know hide in their shell of That people won't do it so we can just ignore this and if we just don't talk about it Then it will go away. It is not going away Cars are getting more and more intelligent and more connected and as cars get more and more Computerized control over more and more of their features and we're talking self-driving cars in as little as what musk figures five six years Yeah, I Mean this becomes this becomes an episode of Doctor Who extremely quickly Um I'm gonna nod my head knowingly. Yeah, it's a great. It's a great episode. The bad guys take over everyone's cars and drive them into Lakes and stuff. Oh, that's basically this happens So let me just see if there's anything else that we can that we can really that we can really add The chat said and then they tagged me just wait till Tesla gets hacked It has to happen eventually very probably anything that can connect to something can be hacked Like we said, that's not the issue here No, the issue here is their response is completely wrong and Just I love Tesla. They're also not invulnerable. Yeah, no one's perfect No, but instead of acknowledging that no one's perfect and you got to get your act together and create an internal task force and publicly Talk about the internal task force that you're creating to address this and keep your an eye on it for the future I Don't remember how I started that sentence. So it's hard for me to finish it coherently. But the point is That's the way to deal with it. Yeah, not to just go well, hey, you know you guys we don't condone you guys releasing this because now Everyone's gonna know about it Yeah, including you so fix it. That's how you do this So yeah that had the hackers had the usual sort of response is like yeah, hey this would be pretty good for a hacker and And you know we that they think it's they believe that releasing the portion of the code is important since it allows their peers to prove Their work and holds automakers accountable for their digital security. I mean remember guys they're White hat is not about finding an exploit and then releasing it to a bunch of you know bad dudes before notifying the company who the code belongs to I Promise you they contacted that company first exactly Tesla has a $10,000 bounty for any hacks apparently just got told by our buddy tech bench TV So they're actively trying to get people to submit stuff like this so that they can fix it. I didn't even know that that's fantastic Good job Tesla. That's how you should respond to these things You should try to welcome these guys with open arms and be like yes. Thank you for finding this. Here is some money Here's some money is a big bag of money. Maybe try to work with us on fixing it. Maybe not. I don't know whatever Thank you. Here's money. Goodbye. There could be more bags of money involved or potentially a job even yeah It's honestly a way that a lot of people get hired So this is really scary US Senator Markey One of the leads on the new security legislation for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and Federal Trade Commission Sent a letter to 20 automakers So again this this underlines sort of my point about the automakers and how they approach technology Asking them a series of questions about security practices the answers to it showed quote unquote quote excuse me a clear lack of appropriate security measures to protect drivers against hackers who may be able to take control of a vehicle unquote only seven of 16 respondents said they hired independent security firms to test their vehicles digital security and only two said their vehicles had Monitoring systems that checked their car internal network networks from malicious digital commands So the takeaway here is not that Chrysler and Jeep Are dumb and their cars are bad and super hackable That's not the point the point is this is a huge attitude shift that needs to happen in the automotive industry and right now is Scary to the point where like I'm not I'm not much of a fear monger I tend to mostly live my life without the tinfoil hat but this could affect many things are scary and this is why Elon and Can't remember his name right now doing the wheelchair super crazy smart does researches time Stephen Hawking there we go Stephen Hawking Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking have both been pushing really hard to research the potential downsides and research stopping those potential downsides of AI and automation in general and that's a very smart thing that should be doing and we're not It's like I don't know Some people I've said this a few times people gawk at me a little bit, but it's it's kind of like we're making the nuke again right with automation and AI and We're kind of Not really worrying about the downsides too much again and Yeah, all right, so I just dropped a straw poll on you guys Does this news affect the way you'll shop for a tech heavy car? Because I'm gonna be honest guys like it was actually it was actually Ed Edzel who told me about this initially we were filming something out in the garage and he's shopping for our car right now And so immediately like the first thing I asked him is does this affect the way? Oh, there's a Tesla outside I thought it was not wait. What what are you talking about? Is that a TLX? I wouldn't know a TLX from a hole in the wall. I'm not a car guy I thought that was why you were put I thought it was a Tesla No, it's just that car has never been here before and it's been here for the last little bit. Oh, okay Can I help you I think that's his who's Ed's oh Did he buy one I don't know He lied to me. Anyway, you're consistently during worker. I was for the last little bit. Oh, okay Well, the point is I thought it might have been someone else's I don't know Can't believe I didn't even know that they don't look that similar. I think it is whatever. I don't care Okay, the point is that Ed's Ed was shopping for a car at least and I still be so what I said was okay Well does this news affect? You buying a car that is more technology heavy and I also pitched him that you know I have a lightly used 2003 Honda Civic that's manual everything including if one of the chat is like it's a spy. It's Logan Including a manual transmission and And I've got to say for the first time ever I felt like my mom Where she kind of has this she has kind of this innate distrust of? Social media and posting information on the internet the stuff that my generation doesn't really think about the same way that hers does About technology and I kind of went yeah I feel pretty good that there's no camera in my car and there's no and and like the brake pedals connected to the brake pedal thing the Thing connected to the disk thing the disk things connected to the wheel thing and the car just stops like that I interference I Felt pretty good about that for the first time ever and one thing that's a little sketch, too Is something that I don't think any of the articles are talking about right now Which is the proof of things happening if someone cuts your brake line in real life? Your brake lines cut Okay, pretty straightforward if someone cuts your brakes digitally and then exits And there's no way to tell that they did that then all of a sudden you're liable for mowing down Oh look there was a there was a registered No press on the brake, and there was a registered full press on the pedal, and you ran over a hundred people You're screwed. Yeah, you're criminally liable in that case. It's like registering a key press so This is like some scary stuff. We've actually got 57% of you, and this is a tech savvy audience I think 57% of you saying yes this affects the way you'll shop for a tech heavy car With 22% of you saying turnip and only 20% of you saying no this won't affect the way you shop Incredible hey it would affect the way that I would shop. I wouldn't I wouldn't go with ones that were answering this way Yeah, I'm not saying necessarily I would go with the tesla because they're drastically way too expensive But I would not go with any company that was answering that matter In related news fiat issues a software patch after hackers take over that car so There you go Speaking of it not being there's actually no there's no evidence that the particular model that they were patching is Is is affected in any way, but there you go. I mean here's another here's another thing where like again the car makers Mentality is just is decades behind You know you see so many things whether it's your phone or your computer or or you know your game console or even your TV You know TVs traditionally move a lot slower than computers, but even they're caught up Over-the-air firmware updates over-the-air patching you know cars don't even have that So if all of a sudden you have to install you know security updates for your car every month Tesla's do tesla's do but No one's even no one's even thought of this they were they were so far behind in their thought process that they built all this networking functionality and and Literally didn't build in a way for users to just patch it by pressing a button So yeah Wow and then this is also related So fiat is a sub brand of Chrysler Chrysler to recall 1.4 million vehicles after the remote hijack bug was found It's a voluntary recall which is related to the firmware thing that I was saying because the voluntary recall is just a flash such a weird Thing to call it It's like it's voluntary for one so voluntary recalls Just a little weird no that's not even really recalling the car You're just to come in and get it patched which means they recalled it You're just so they're like you can give it back to you. Hey you can come get a patch. I don't know yeah So the they figure yeah, it's a software update. It's not a voluntary recall so It's at affected cars include Dodge Vipers Ram trucks Jeep Cherokees and Grand Cherokees Dodge Durangos Chrysler 200 and 300 Dodge Chargers Dodge Challengers and Chrysler owners can enter their VIN at a provided website to check if their vehicle is included in the recall Yeah, so it's under the chat Nail puppy voluntary recall equals we are doing this because we were forced to yeah So I don't know legal department was like hey you should probably do this so we did Yeah That oh this is this is great so more more stupidity The company is unaware of any injuries related to software exploitation nor is it aware of any related complaints warranty claims or accidents? Independent of the media demonstration someone into its chat just reminded us we have to do sponsor instead of Chrysler spokesperson Thank you for that not clear. Oh, oh, oh, this is great issues Will be discussed more deeply at next month's DEF CON It's like because you have a month to deal with these kinds of things Chrysler statement the software manipulation addressed by this recall required unique and extensive technical knowledge prolonged physical access to a subject vehicle and extended periods of time to write code as if that's a barrier at all It's like it's like they think that tech savvy Coders aren't everywhere And so it was kind of hard great we didn't think we had to do anything but great quote from the verge It's not clear if the message was about the importance of this was fully received as Chrysler insists it's only taking the step out of an abundance of caution I Couldn't even Abundance of caution now. I'm just getting bad. I'm actually like like I'm getting upset This is why but this is what I'm talking about This is why I wouldn't purchase from one of those companies if like like this is why I would definitely take this into consideration With first like I wouldn't necessarily avoid purchasing a high-tech car I would just purchase a high-tech car from someone who's probably gonna give a crap about the car once I buy it from them it's like why Why is the why is the oh? Like why did the American automotive industry just collapse? 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It's a site that is all about walk out star I guess I'll open with their tagline life short have an affair So the site is a dating site for married people And not for married people with each other for married people with other more different married people To be fair there's some people on the site that are in poly or open relationships But I think that's not the majority of it. Yeah, I just wanted to make sure that people don't freak out in twitch chat and go Like well, they're okay with it. Yeah, we realize that I just think the majority of them are not so basically the hackers submitted a Submitted a demand list that was pretty much look you need to shut down this site shut down I forget what their other sites are called there. They're not as famous They're not as common, but shut down your other sites or we are going to release they had not only the user database of the current active users But Ashley Madison had a service for I think 18 or 19 dollars that supposedly Wiped all of your information from everywhere They still had it so the hack Retrieved that information as well. So so the hackers demand is actually looking like it could cost less For the Toronto based company than the lawsuits that could result in I mean, can you even? imagine the liability that you're on the hook for if you arguably caused a divorce which could arguably in the case of you know, if people are millionaires or multi millionaires cost millions upon millions of dollars I can't find the dollar count I'm sorry the other websites that they owned were Cougar life and established men there's other websites as well. Yeah. Oh, those were the ones that they demanded that they shut down So this is this is good. I mean there's articles all over the place. So to be clear I don't I haven't been following it all week. Unfortunately I really wish I had and I really wish that I sort of had had checked on it before Before before this again, so the 37 million users are worldwide. I think they operate in something like 40 countries If you combine all three of those websites the ones that I just named it's 50 million people not 37 37 is just Ashley Madison. So but the other ones aren't quite as quite as targeted towards Well, I guess established men in a lot of cases probably would be although I don't think it's specifically targeted at having an affair in the same case Anyway, the hackers didn't immediately release all the information But what they're saying is that they will they're gonna keep pushing it out as the site stays online So, of course, there's all kinds of so so people are getting out it already So this is an out at Ashley Madison user talking to talking to the Toronto Sun So he may be the unluckiest cheater of all time So just two were outed on an infidelity vlog a blog after a hacker group calling itself Oops, hold on a second. Dang had it two people Yeah, well they they didn't They didn't go full force right away. So they leaked two people. Um, so yeah, so they blah blah blah threatened Oh, so and there's a lot of other stuff stored in the accounts as well And the scariest thing about this is that it's validated by credit card number like your credit card numbers in there So you can't just be like someone else signed up with my account Oh, no, it's like it's like a huge deal and like they apparently have people like documentation of people's sexual fantasies and stuff like that Like this is a huge deal. So uh So there's a couple guys here an exclusive interview. The Mississauga man said he looked but never cheated He said sometimes you're just curious looking for friends. Then it doesn't necessarily appeal to you He said looking for friends He said he's been a husband for 20 years. He works in the city has a young child He was clearly shocked and looked panicked while talking about the impact the release of his name has had on his life Yeah, so he denied that he wrote anything about liking to give and receive oral sex liking like kinky fun erotic tickling and role playing He said he joined the site in 2010 and stayed on for two to three years then used the website's paid delete option To have his profile removed for $19 He says I haven't been on the site in a long long time Adding that he never expected something like a security breach to occur. Does it have to be paid for a paid delete? So There you go paid delete option that literally just didn't do anything pretty much And then and then here's here's like here's a super here's a super scary thing Did you know that Ashley Madison is actually the second largest dating site behind match.com? So there's just just a horrifying number for people who believe in the sanctity of marriage and all of that Yikes, eh, so this is this there's some great quotes from From John McAfee, you know former security wear maker. You might have heard his name once in a while He hasn't been a part of McAfee for yeah, really long. So this is this is a great quote He says this hack threatens to destabilize society. Oh, yeah, and I hacked it again myself It was easy peasy. So since Ashley Madison said that they have you know, they're addressing it He has apparently been back in but you know, I don't know I don't know if that's necessarily true So he said figures it was definitely the work of an individual acting alone Because whether whether he's saying because of the the motive behind something like this or whether he's saying because of the ease Because he was said he was able to breach the site again himself He also said that Oh It was one of the Sorry, excuse me. He's already so so the pronouncement follows his earlier judgment that May's adult friend finder hack was one of the scariest hacks since the existence of computers Wow, this is these are because there's so much personal information on those sites and so much personal information that like People really don't want people knowing I think people aren't scared enough about losing money Because a lot of times if like your credit card gets hacked or something you can get reimbursed This isn't a situation where you can be reimbursed if this is released. You don't just change your credit card number Everything intimate about you is now known publicly So, yeah, I don't know man like If they released the whole list like I Mean it's one of those my evil for kind of wanting it to happen Yeah, I think so because hold on hold on a second It would be so much fun to watch the world burn for a little I saw a lot Well, is it okay? Hold on because I saw a lot of it's fun I saw a lot of people say well, they deserve it filthy cheaters. I'm not necessarily saying they deserve They might and and and and you know what? You could say karma is a bitch you could say that but the reality of it is this impacts Potentially an additional 37 million people who might be living perfectly happy lives and is ignorance bliss I Don't know maybe and I disagree I would say hold on I'll let you I'm sure you're gonna I'm sure you're gonna have a lot to say about this and You know, I would also make the argument that no No illegal theft of someone else's personal information is justifiable Yes so all that karma's a bitch stuff a side You shouldn't you cannot steal other people's information. It's not right two wrongs Do not make her right in this case so That's my only thing the information would necessarily be the right thing to do because there's also a lot of problems with like where it said That guy's information was released in 2010 I wouldn't be surprised if they're not gonna be too caring about join dates on the database that they release and people might just be Looking for names. So maybe you're in a new relationship and this is an old thing or maybe you're reformed Maybe I know there's the credit card sign-up thing, but maybe your buddy pranked you But then if he pranked you then like why wasn't the prank revealed? Who pranks their buddy by creating, you know? Well, it might have been but then maybe he didn't bother tell his wife because he's like, oh that was just dumb There's there's there's ways that you could come across one of these accounts at the same time Kind of want to watch the world burn don't necessarily know if the good idea just kind of would want to watch the world burn a little bit Like I'm I I am so very thankful That I have nothing to worry about here and I don't envy anyone who woke up Monday morning Who has an Ashley Madison account? That is like can you can you imagine the the amount of sick to your stomach? Because because the thing is is that unless you're one of the couple unlucky people that they're that they're leaking You know in and that they're trickling out there is still potential and I don't think it's gonna happen for Ashley Madison to just Seize operations and for the rest of the names to get buried in the database names to get buried down an internet hole somewhere So to speak They can also wait for them to cease operations and like move everyone on and not have employees anymore And then just be like database dumb. Let's do this Let's play a game. Okay, you have a really fun. You have an Ashley Madison account. You're married We're gonna roll a little bit here. Wow All right. What are your other fantasies? Yeah I Let's let's talk you hear about the Ashley Madison hack Monday morning Yeah, and I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a full scenario Okay, you have been using Ashley Madison calm actively actively to cheat on your wife I'm gonna give you two scenarios. You've been using it actively currently Okay, so you like cheated on her last week. Okay, you've been using Ashley Madison Tell me how you react on Monday morning. What's your damage control? I don't know if I want to give people good ideas or not knowing what you know about hackers. What's your damage control? It's not even it's not even knowing what you know about hackers because this has nothing to do with it They have it they're done. Yeah, but but a lot of a lot of lay people wouldn't necessarily know but that means it's basically game over That it will end up somewhere and it will get leaked somewhere. It's happening all over again. Yes, so They might not release it. They might not there's still potential that it actually won't get if it is one person Let's say it's a scorned lover, right? Yeah, they probably it probably That's what the McAfee guy's saying and it probably is probably targeting those specific websites Yes. Yeah, the ones that are all about being married already. So what's your action plan? I'm a terrible person. I just want to stay You have to try to act like you did on every other day if you buy your wife flowers all of a sudden start freaking out She's gonna read this article. She's oh, I wonder why he's being so nice. But it's so wonderful flower showed up at work. Oh What's this news article? I don't know why this is my married woman voice, but whatever you're married to a pretty old woman Yes, apparently, um But yeah, so I don't know either either you go the route of just a hidey hole and just act like what do you do? You don't get to head your bets here, but I don't cheat. What's your action plan though? I don't know. So you did But I have to assume I'm a completely different person if I assume that was a completely different person So I was already going the route of cheating this whole time Yeah, there's no real point in revealing yourself at that point Okay, it's not gonna be any better than just having it leaked later on right? So I guess you just had your bets and keep going I go completely the opposite route you just reveal immediately Yeah, yeah, I I I come clean because I'm not going yeah Because if it comes from you even if there was external pressure I think you have a better chance to salvage the situation, right? But I guess this is where my mind changes a little bit because in my head Yeah, if that's gonna happen for me the person you should probably just end it anyways What if it's not that simple what if I throw a kid into your scenario Sometimes life's not simple. I Don't want kids. I know that you don't I'm putting myself in a very weird situation I like would never do that not interested in doing that plus Don't want kids So I have to like change to very fundamental. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine Playing you know you gotta be you want to be a good partner here. Okay role playing partner If you have kids I guess the conversation should have to happen But then you also have to worry about if that's gonna completely fundamentally change your relationship with your partner and then creates a toxic Environment for the kid it might actually be easier for you and the kid to split up. I Don't know as as a broken home survivor I can say that Both of them have their own challenges and The the the toxic relationship between the parents can certainly continue just fine If they're not living in no, I would fully expect it to continue But if you don't have to be in the house with them screaming and fighting every day. Yeah, is that better? Because you you might grow up and learn normalcy You might think that this is how this is actually supposed to happen all that kind of stuff so we've got 47% of you going with the eat turnips action plan with 34% of you playing it cool and hoping it goes away and a mere 19% of you going my route and Revealing it right away very interesting I mean This is this is all just sort of the interesting thing that I think here is the credit card Validation cuz I fully expect a ton of people to sign up on this website with a fake name Yeah, like everyone and if you didn't you're done. Yeah, but that's the The hack is someone control F's for that credit card number Wow, yeah Yes, I hope you changed your credit card or your I hope you're doing it now, I don't know my life is easy I don't even have the option to cheat on my life You wouldn't have time. Yeah, it's great up wouldn't have time. There's the time There's the fact that she manages my schedule down to the minute. Yeah. Yeah, there's that She manages all the finances and credit cards anyways, so you see that payment coming out. She'd be like wait What is this from and it's not Google it and then figure it out it's not because of like a Suspicion on her part because she straight-up knows where I am like she wouldn't even need a GPS tracker on my phone She knows exactly where I am any time of the day because my life is just really busy. I usually know where you are. Yeah I'm a creature of habit It's like it's Friday night. He's at badminton Straight up. It's any other time. He's at worker at home. That's it Um, but but but like and it's not because she monitors the finances because she suspects anything So she's good because she monitors the finances because I am terrible at managing my finances She's really good and share we have to we have to we can't just give you the terrible She's also very good. Yeah, and like she manages the finances not just of us personally, but also Linus media group So if an unknown charge shows up she's emailing me about it not because she thinks it's for you know Some adult dating site but because she just wants to know what it is so she can reconcile the books so So yeah That makes my life really that be a fun channel super fun prank. Oh Yeah, Linus left his wallet on the stairs. She doesn't watch one show We should do it. Oh my god. I'm so down That would be hilarious We're kind of terrible people oh Like in every possible way we'd have to capture the reaction though. I know I think we could do it I think we've got enough clever camera people that we could count on them to yeah That could be pretty fun. Just so long as you're the one that scrubs the footage Scrubs the footage. Yeah. Oh, yeah, like I go through through the reaction. Yeah. Well, you know what? No, I I know her pretty well. Like I think that you know, I think that it would be oh gee, I don't know. Yeah Let's give it a definite maybe Let's give it a definite maybe All right, yeah, okay, um, wow, we actually had a lot of like pretty good topics in this week Yeah, we can do a lot of these yeah, well, it's six o'clock already and I've got some stuff to do after work today So, um, okay then Apple stops beta testers from reviewing apps That's a really good thing because if you're beta testing a new version of iOS You shouldn't be like leaving reviews on apps about how they crash and are terrible. Yeah I'm super not against that No, there's some interesting, you know what some of the stuff we might just have to tackle next week because YouTube's apparently gonna remove free videos if creators don't publish them to the subscription based platform, too So there's some actually really good stuff in here, but I think we're done for today Thank you guys for tuning into the WAN show I apologize if things got a little bit heavier and less Light-hearted than they normally do with the whole Ashley Madison hack if you're if you're married and you have an Ashley Madison account Sorry, bro Or bro yet. Good luck buddy guy. What's the female version of bro? I don't know. It's not sis. Yeah, I don't know Must be bro yet. I just say bro But is that me being a jerk? I like if I'm I don't care if I'm talking to a man or a woman I'll just be like yeah, no problem. Then like I guess it's not guys. Yeah. Yeah, I Mean who's ever actually I actually sound I feel like I sound sleazy when I say like ladies Oh Ladies like you're right Like I feel like I'm like trying to project or come on to them So I just say guys and then it seems fine ladies and you can't say women because that has the whole like Right Yeah, woman Someone tell me how to navigate life, please. Yeah, really I need a GPS in my car for navigating life Hack your life All right. See you guys again next week same bat time same bat channel You