 The Electronics Liquid Propulsion Package. Really? What a letdown. I am so disappointed right now. Over the years, we've seen tons of finished products with obvious oversights. And a couple of months ago, we had one such product arrive, the Electronics Liquid Propulsion Package. It was promising, but there were a ton of small problems that needed fixing. And apparently they have all been fixed, which raises a few questions. One, should we give them another chance? Yeah! Come on! Yeah! Two, should they have saved themselves some trouble by just sending us the prototypes in the first place? Definitely. Thank you. And number three, should brands give us even more money in exchange for sponsor reads like this one? Yeah! Definitely. This video is brought to you by... Hetzner. For a limited time, Hetzner Online is offering all AX dedicated root servers with AMD Ryzen CPUs, no setup fee. Configure yours today using the link below. ["Skyward by The Hedgehog"] Electronics doesn't want me to take it apart until after I've tested it. Well, did you already test it, Alex? Do I have to worry about that? One, two, three, hop! Jeez! What is all this stuff? Okay, we've got the LPP G1. That's our liquid propulsion package. They sent over some peripherals. I actually like their little warranty card thing. They say, hey, warranty is only in the US, which does suck, but they also clearly explain why, because they don't have the parts and the facilities available to service them elsewhere. So like, you're gonna have to ship it back to the US if it comes to that. Okay, fair enough. The star of the show is, of course, the liquid propulsion package, an external water cooling unit that is designed, here we go, to make the Electronics Prometheus 17 faster, quieter, and cooler. Is that not to open it? What? Well, I can open this. No, this is not until you've done the testing. Oh, okay. The problem is that last time around, they did manage to make it both cooler and faster, but it actually came at the expense of both noise and ease of use. The pump and fan were super loud in here, and these fittings at the back would just leak when you unplugged the external liquid cooling system. Did you never see that clip, David? No, they might still do that. Oh, they might still, oh my God. I thought you said they fixed stuff. They fixed stuff, but I don't know if they fixed all of it. I admire, but I don't envy, the small one-person band content creators out there. It's like, hey, is all my pre-testing done? Yup, yes, love my team. Not just Alex, he's just the closest one right now. I'm physically closer than him, Linus. That's true, actually, David. I'm pretty sure I gave you some love earlier today, though. Alex contributes nearly nothing to our production values. No offense, Alex. What? Wow. I do sometimes. I mean, jankiness is sort of a production value. That's not fair. The sickness of this laptop was kind of undermined a little bit last time by the kludgy cooling solution that didn't work very well. It's really cool. Our power goes into the external cooler, and then there's a pass-through to the back of the laptop. That way, both devices are powered off of a single wall outlet. That wasn't on the last one. Yeah, see, it looks like a little replacement plastic doodad, but it doesn't have any screw holes, so I have no idea what it's supposed to do. And you told me I'm not allowed to open it, but look how tempting this is. Shouldn't they open it? He wants to open it. Yeah, this is way better. The fill part at the top on the old unit was so loose, and it just had a hole. So if you accidentally knock this thing over, your cat knocks this over, boom, puddle of water, digi laptop, digi external cooler, you're done. Yeah, look at that. Just like that. Okay, quick release fittings, and then it pops off like that. One of our big problems on the last one was that the water left in the laptop would just leak out. I hope they fixed that, but quite frankly, I do not see any mechanism to address it. Did they give us any way to like add the water? Yeah, they gave us this funnel. Oh, wow. That's almost worse than that syringe they had last time. Yeah. If I don't leak any of this, it will be a Christmas miracle. Should you move it further from electronics? Well, that was actually pretty good. Oh, I just squirted into it. It seems to be in standby. You see this, David, it's kind of flashing like that. Cause core temperatures are like 40 degrees. I would not expect that with liquid. Hello? Oh, you're spilling, you're spilling. Oh, okay. Oh, it's gooping out the front. Okay. Well, that was an issue we had last time too, wasn't it? That it was possible to like overfill it. And not realize it. But there's a little indicator on the front. Oh. Electronics really doesn't seem to be able to figure out which way is the front and which way is the back on this thing. You got the tubes coming out the front. This is where the visual fill indicator is. This is where the power button is. But then this goes into the back of the laptop. It's supposed to sit way back here. Who has a desk that deep? Like I would want it kind of here. Okay. Liquid propulsion package control. Inject liquid. Don't use tap water. Yep. Okay. Also do not use cryofuel. Apparently some of the plastics in there will embrittle and break if you do that. So don't. Ah! Wait a minute. The second I paired via Bluetooth, it got silent. Either it's way better or it's way worse. Oh, here we go. Quiet please. I said shh. These are cute. It's quieter than it was last time. It's not quiet. Did they tell us it was going to be quiet? Yeah. We'll give it a little, you know. Let's see if the LED control works this time. I wouldn't describe it as the world's brightest LED. It's very dim. These menus are hilarious. Your path you must decide. Overclocking may cause system instability. Please adjust parameters carefully. Your path you must decide. For the processor, we're just going to drag it to 140, right? Yeah. Why not? And then for our core and memory clock offsets for the GPU, they actually provide, look at that, little guidance. So they'll tell you, you can do about 150 and a thousand megahertz. It's still a little on the loud side, but it is definitely better than last time. We're sitting here at like 20% CPU load, 30% CPU load, launching programs. Core temperature is like 35 to 45 degrees. Love to see that. Remember, this is a 3080 Ti and it's sitting at 32 degrees at idle. Well, 3080 Ti mobile. It's limited in terms of its TDP and it simply cannot be unlocked. So you got 14 cores, up to 64 gigs of memory, RTX 3080 Ti mobile. And like, look at it. Obviously that hardware is not going to run to its full potential when you don't have the external liquid cooling hooked up. Like look how fricking thin this thing is. But man, having the option to have most of that performance on air when you're on the go and all of it when you hook up the external water cooling unit, that is a lot of time spy extreme frames per second. I mean, if you told me a laptop is going to run the 4K extreme preset, even just a few years ago, like this. Yeah, and I do want to know something kind of funny. Sure, I like funny. We recently had a sponsor project that fell through. Oh really? That had the same specs as this laptop because it was too slow. And we were like, that's embarrassing. We're not going to name and shame because that would be rude but it did have fairly similar performance to this out of the box, just on air cooling. And it was pretty similar in size. It had slightly worse performance and it was slightly thinner. Okay. And we rejected the sponsorship just because we thought it was stupid that the specs were so high and it was so expensive but the real world performance was so low. Yes, but this allows you to, you know, have a laptop that's like this with this kind of hardware and it's not stupid. Right, I mean, it's a little stupid. It's a little stupid but it's not exactly the same performance as a 3070 Ti or in many cases. Oh, I see what I'm looking at here. This thing had a 3080 Ti and a 12900H and it was getting beat or tied by an R9 6900HS and a 3070 Ti. Yeah. That's embarrassing. It is, yeah. I feel like even though we've made this video already where we talked about how laptop specs are just completely misleading now but I feel like we could do it once every six months and it would still be really valuable information for the consumer. Well, and also it just, it depends so much now because like if you have the same cooler that you had three years ago, it was fine then. Now you need a vapor chamber or you're going to get destroyed by Alienware and Asus. Yeah. That's a clean 800 point improvement. That's outstanding. That's more than 10% better. And we haven't even tried to tune the overclocking dials past what electronics recommended. This is the safe settings. I love it. Maximum temps on any CPU core, 81 degrees Celsius. Yeah, so that's a 13.4% increase. And our GPU topped out at 55 with the hotspot hitting 64. That's outstanding. Hopefully this man is to launch here. The thing is when you're overclocking a laptop there's a lot more at play than just cooling. Even if you've got adequate cooling and the silicon was capable of it you got to think about the power delivery. The entire power budget for this device is dictated by this little AC to DC adapter right here. And generally speaking, their board designs are much more space constrained than they would be on a desktop where the board of an RTX 3080 Ti might actually be a similar size to the entire motherboard of this laptop. Like we've seen some big 3080 Ti's. Oh yeah. I am satisfied with the noise level of this thing given that it is running performance benchmarks right now. I think that what I would want to see if electronics wants to take it to the next level is intelligent fan and pump control where if I'm idling, it just turns off. Maybe it has an indicator to say, hey, I'm in standby and when you actually do something and you need cooling, I'm ready to go. But I'd like it to turn off when I'm idling because this thing was actually super quiet until the pump kicked in. Right as we're sitting here making a video about how we think products could really be better if brands consulted with us before they released the darn thing, we got a consulting opportunity in my inbox from a major hardware brand. Oh. For a product that is very interesting and that we could probably provide really great feedback on. Yeah. The question is, should we do consulting? Cause there is one thing that making this video allowed electronics competitors to do. Just let me get that for a second. Man, the plot thickens. Wait, what? You've got, did you really just pull out a competing device? Yeah. Look how ready he is. Electronics had no idea. Look at the color of his face. It's redder than the hat, which you can get at an LTT store. Electronics actually knows, I had a talk with them. Oh, did you? Yeah. There it is. Wait. No way. Holy. Oh. Wait, what? Did they buy it from electronics? Did they completely clone it? No, they were in parallel working with the same manufacturer and were like, oh, we have all these problems. That's the thing. Product development is crazy expensive. I guarantee you that every one of these plastic molds, every single piece of this was at least a few grand. Okay. And probably more, probably closer to five, 10 grand. You're gonna sell a lot of freaking little external water cooling units to make up that initial outlay. So the more brands that you can partner with to help share that production cost, the better as long as they don't find out. 6830. Our score is officially legendary, Alex. Damn. Oh, wait, did we get- Look at this curve, showing results from the same hardware. See you later. Look at this. This is us. Can you hit compare results online? Like what percentage are we? That's incredible. And you know what? This just does such a great job of illustrating what we're talking about. Because with mobile devices, right? These are mobile products. If anyone is not getting the performance we're getting, it means they're getting less than what this hardware is capable of. So they're being hamstrung by power delivery. They're being hamstrung by cooling. They're being hamstrung by profiles that are set by the manufacturer. And you can see on the same damn hardware, you've got people getting scores that are literally 30, 40% lower than what it's capable of. And to be clear, I'm not saying that every device should be two inches thick. Every device with a 3080 Ti should. And he's not wrong, because it actually does need that cooling in order to reach its full potential. Except this one doesn't. You don't wanna check out the other one. I do wanna check out the other one. I'm just, look, I have too many things to be excited about right now. I can't believe you totally blindsided me with this. I love it. It's thicker, but that makes sense because you're gonna need to have at least some air cooling in it for when you're not running water. But there it is. That's the same, the same external water cooling thing. In fairness, electronics and XMG don't really compete. XMG is in Germany. If you're in Europe, you buy from them. We are better than 59% of all results submitted to 3dmark.com. That is absolutely outstanding that we have completely left behind just about every machine in the world running this hardware. All we need is another couple hundred points to be the world record for this hardware. Now, electronics does have one other little thing that we can do. Oh. They worked with PrimaMod to unlock the bios. So you can actually go in and properly tweak the stuff. Oh, DGPU only. That might help. Oh, yeah. We weren't actually running on the native display. I bet we're gonna beat. Oh, yeah. We might actually beat it. I'm surprised because in their software stuff, it said that it was dedicated GPU. While this runs, we identified one of the reasons that you might not wanna show early hardware, especially to review channels. It could allow your competitors to snipe you on an idea. With that said, we don't believe that's the main reason because if your competitors could clone your product and or beat you in such a short amount of time, you probably weren't destined for success anyway. The real reason you might not wanna send out prototypes is that, well, they're prototypes. Typically, the fit and finish is pretty crap because a lot of the work is done by hand, which means a couple of things. One, the cost of each of those prototypes compared to what that same unit might cost in mass production is much higher. And two, there could be weird errors that could give people a really wrong idea about the finished product. For instance, here are two fairly late stage prototypes of our screwdriver. This one was supposed to be orange, but as you can see, it is in fact red. So if you guys are seeing orange right now, your monitor's color calibration, way off. Now, our wrong color, not a huge deal. I'd be happy to send a screwdriver that's just slightly the wrong color to someone like a tool reviewer. But this one, here we made a large change to our ratchet mechanism, which involves changing the direction of the ratchet. And although it works great, if we had sent this one to a reviewer, we would have been absolutely slayed. And here's why. Oh, it's locked. I managed to both slip and, oh, it's locked. Don't worry, we have that fixed now. There's also the fact that due to the cost and the handmade nature of these things, you usually only have a couple of them lying around. To give you guys some idea, a prototype of our screwdriver is gonna cost us somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 to $300. I mean, given that our retail price is gonna be about $70, yeah, it's not gonna be very sustainable if they actually cost that much. As for the backpack, every sample of the backpack costs about five, $600. With that said, I'm very happy then that Electronics sent us an early sample and is finally letting us see just how far we can push this thing. There's one more thing to check, Alex. What? Whether the water just drains out the back. Oh yeah. Okay, you guys ready? This is the big moment. Hmm, they did not. Okay, my laptop made a little piddle. I will say though that these seal a lot better now. No, there's a hole. Oh my God, no, they're totally designed to like allow the water out. Okay, well, that's interesting. That would prevent pressure from building up if it was still full of water and it heated up and would prevent it from like gushing out at some point. So that's good. I guess so. In conclusion, I'm really pleased that Electronics sent this to us early and allowed us to be part of the product development process. I think they ended up with a better product at the end of the day. They weren't able to fix everything that we were unhappy with about it, but it's a way more compelling offering now because we can say without compromise, this is the fastest gaming laptop that we've ever laid our hands on. And all it costs you is this extra liquid propulsion package and a little bit of extra noise at idle. It's a lot better than where we started. With that said, it's clear that there are challenges for manufacturers when it comes to sharing information with us early and the whole field of consulting for the same manufacturers whose products we're supposed to be covering is fraught with potential conflicts of interest. So let us know your thoughts. Should we do more stuff like this where we're looking at products early? Do you guys want stuff to just be better? Would you trust us to still cover something that we actually consulted on? I have no idea. These are very uncharted waters for us. Yeah, how do we reply to that email? Uncharted waters. Hey, David. Ah! 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