 Sorry? Can I just stay on my phone or no? You can stay on your phone. Alright guys, welcome to the ultimate WAN show. We have never done anything like this before. We have had Austin as a guest. I have had Luke as my co-host. We have had Lou over there as a guest. We have had Marcus as a guest. But we have never done it all at the same time. Well, I shouldn't say we've never done it all at the same time. We've never done it all at the same time on camera. There we go. There we go. So guys, we're coming to you live from the actually, I want to give a shout out to Corsair. They're not a sponsor or anything for this, but we got kicked out of our hotel at 11 o'clock today. And I was like, we need somewhere to do the WAN show. Can we use your suite, like your massive awesome suite with the pool table? And they're like, yeah man, no problem. So we're coming to you live from the 51st floor of the Palazzo Hotel here in Las Vegas. We've had a great week at CES and this is going to be a fun show. There is no agenda. There's nothing. There's just no plan. Nothing. This is the least prepped WAN show I think ever. Because usually even if we don't have a doc, we'll like kind of know what happened that week. But no, no, no title two happened. Other than that, CES. There you go. All right. Intro time. God. They can totally hear us right now. Oh, hold on a second. We don't even have any sponsors today. We weren't even planning to do WAN show. We didn't add it. It's there. It's right there. No, it's okay. Drag it in. No, you got it. Drag it in. Shout out to our CES sponsors. I believed in you. Phantom Glass with their awesome screen protectors as well as HyperX with their gaming content on their channel. We've got a video coming soon for Phantom Glass. It's going to be super cool. Are you going to keep teasing that? No, no, no. Okay. These guys have been teasing it. I can actually legitimately tease it because I might have been in it. Yeah. And it might have been awesome. It was definitely awesome and I might have been in it. Should we tease what we did? No, no, no. We can't tell. They'll have to see. Can we say it involves Austin's nipples? Yes, we can say that. We can say that. Well, we did it. So it's a little bit late. This guy implied, I guess. I mean, they can draw their own conclusions. Yup. Yup. We're involved in the... I don't know if we really have a hashtag or anything. Hashtag WAN show. I just created this. Oh, no. I like that way better. Hashtag Austin's nipple. Hashtag Austin's nipples. That is the WAN show. That is the hashtag that we will be monitoring during the stream. Okay, guys? Holy crap. What? There is already pictures of Austin's nipple. That hashtag already exists. Oh, wait. Wait. Can you see it? Oh, never mind. There actually is a picture of my nipple on the internet. Is that it? It was when I broke my arm and there's a picture of me in a slang with no shirt on. Blockage? That's actually kind of fantastic. I love how I don't think almost anyone's commenting about the fact that people are just trying to play pool in the background. Oh, yeah. There are people. All right. So, guys, why don't we kick this off? Show highlights. I mean, it's a good thing people are watching the show to find out what you enjoyed here because they are not going to find out by watching your channel. Oh. Okay. Okay. Okay. So this is the first CDS. This is my fifth CDS. This is the first time I've come without having to do a ton of videos. Right. Yeah. The first couple years, I did 30 videos by myself and I was just like, ah. Zombie mood. Exactly. So this year, I decided to take it easy. So I do have videos. One's live right now. We finished two of my other videos today. So I have three CDS videos. And if you guys want to watch more CDS videos, there might be some other tech channel that may have posted a couple. I forget the name. I'm just going to keep staring awkwardly in the camera. I know they have tech tips. You mean like you always do? All the way. Oh. Oh. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. All right. I'm out. See you. Oh. That was rough. Someone's got to tag you out. That's how the system works, I think. Yeah. But anyway, show highlights. Ooh. OK. So I don't spoil my video too much. OK. Let me go over the stuff I did. All right. Because you'll see the videos. Yeah. I didn't want to go crazy on the videos this year. Oh. Yeah. We have the weirdest audience ever. There's a lot of cool stuff at the BMW booth. So we actually checked that out. They had the i3 and the i8. They had inductive charging for the i8. So literally, you just pull in. Mark has just a charging. That was cool. Super cool. Yeah. And then there's a cool laser headlight demo where literally, it can shine a spotlight on anything. So you can be driving down with complete high beams. And if there's a car, literally, the light would turn down for just that tiny bit of car traffic. That's really cool. Or you're driving by a deer. Literally, it would shine a spotlight on the deer using the laser headlights. Crazy stuff. That's sick. The i3, it literally drives itself. So you tap the button on the smartwatch, and the car pulls up. You see the wheels spinning and everything. You cannot crash it. Even when you're driving it, you could completely floor the car and drive toward a barrier straight. It just wouldn't hit it. Literally, it just stops. It's like, no. Wow. Were they letting people demo that? Oh, i8? Tag in. Tag in. I don't know. I don't see your sign. High five. Yeah, we're good. Microphones are here? Yep. Camera's over there. Mic's here. Hey. I tagged in about i8, or BMW in general. I spent a lot of time with their booth a whole day, two days ago. He talked about the laser headlights. That was awesome. And that's not really legal in the United States, unfortunately. Laser headlights in general. Saudi's doing it, BMW's doing it, but it's not going to come here. So in Europe, they're doing that. Interesting. And then the OLED tail lights is another thing. I don't know if you mentioned that. Nope. It's really a display on the back of your car. Two OLED panels and lots of diodes, and they're really bright. They looked awesome because they had the whole laser light show and those are cool. Any color you want. What else? Have you been able to drive it? I didn't drive it. I've driven the i8. I have not driven the M4 or the i3. I sat in the i3 that they tried to crash. The dude literally floored it and it stopped itself. But then while it was stopped, he just to make sure I knew, floored it a couple more times and the car wouldn't go. So that was a lot of trust in that car. Did you have your seatbelt on or did they tell you to do it? No seatbelt. It's okay. Well, I had my camera in my hand so I kind of wanted to be safe about it anyway. But it was really cool. And then I sat in the back seat of one that drove itself. So it was summoned by a smart car, a smart watch app. And he pressed to bring the car to him and then 30 yards away, an i3 with no one in it starts rolling around the corner and pulls up right next to him and unlocks the door, which is pretty cool. That's actually pretty sick. Yeah. So I sat in the back of it and the steering wheel started whipping around. Actually, right when I sat in it, when the lady like closed the door behind me, I set up the camera and everything. I was kind of quiet for a little bit. And I knew the guy had summoned it because the steering wheel snapped into place and then slowly started rolling. It was kind of cool. That's sick. Yeah. I know last year I did a video on the i3 and this is the first time I drove an electric car. Okay. So I was going around Las Vegas and they had like the route that you were allowed to go on. But my plan was I'm hoping I'm past statute of limitations here. My plan was we were going to swap out drivers because I wanted Brandon, my cameraman, to be able to try it out as well. But as we're coming around one of the corners, I was just talking about how like I like the acceleration and the torque in electric cars coming around a corner and there's this giant empty street. So I was like, all right, sweet. And I just stepped on it. It was beautiful. It was amazing. And that was the first time that I got to experience the braking in electric cars. Okay. Which was interesting as well because I maybe almost hit someone and had to change lanes like a couple times to sort of between them. Because I was going too fast. But anyways, statute of limitations, whatever. Yeah, it was cool. What other car stuff have you checked out here? I have done I ate stuff I didn't do a lot of while I was here. But today I basically just shot a bunch of footage of the Tesla Model X that's in Panasonic's booth. And it was crowded. Like I got to it on day one and of course it was crowded. I was like, I'll come back later. Came back to it yesterday. It was still crowded. I was like, all right, I'll come back tomorrow. Today should be dead. Today at 2 p.m. It's still very crowded. So the footage is all right. But there's a lot of a lot of cool stuff about that that I want to talk about. They were they were doing a pretty good job of keeping it all right for you. I heard that some some like white dude showed up and was getting all up in your space. Yeah. Yeah. I like playing like, sir, he's filming right now. Go away. It's weird because last year the video I did at the Panasonic booth was a Tesla Model S. But all the doors are closed. The trunk was closed. You couldn't like look in. So people would like walk up to the car, look at it for a second and leave. So I did a whole video about it then. And that's the first time I was in contact with Tesla after that video. So I come to the booth today and I guess the guy was like, yeah, yeah, you want to do a video again this year. OK, I'll help you out. And basically just started like fending off people who got near me. And I was getting footage. I guess Austin was trying to get B roll and he was like, sir, you're going to have to wait for this guy to finish. And I was like, is that Austin that you just pushed up? It was kind of funny. But yeah, that happened. What do you think of Model S? It's a weird thing. So I saw I did a Tesla. Wow. They're going to put that on the marketing materials for it? It's a weird thing. MKBHD 2000. Put it on the bumper? Yeah. No, I saw one at the I did a Tesla factory tour and I saw an earlier prototype and the side view mirrors were just cameras pointed backwards. And that was another one of those legal things like, can you really do that? And apparently in certain states you can't. And then eventually it's just like, man, might as well just go rear view mirrors. So they're traditional rear view mirrors on the Panasonic booth. Other minor changes like the doors have different things. The seats look different every time I see it. But it's still a weird vehicle that a lot of people are curious about. Like there are tons of questions every time. The one thing that I'm it's a it's a dual motor chassis, essentially dual motor system, the same way the P85D is. The one thing is the doors, when they lift up, I was reading this in a Reddit thread, it creates these little cracks. Like if it's raining, you're just letting rain pour into your car. So I was trying to get as many angles of the door opening as possible, but I only really got one. But it seemed like that could be a problem, just your door water falling into your car every time you open the door. Hopefully that's not a problem. They would have solved that by putting like a fabric liner, stretchy fabric liner, but it's not solved yet. Yeah, and there's there's little things like this is this is on my wife's soul. This is like a 2008 rabbit. But just even though it looks like the water should just drip down, they just the way they've curved the metal just rolls in causes it to just roll down. So knowing Tesla, they've probably thought of that. I think so. I have faith in that. But yeah, I'm excited. I think it's supposed to start manufacturing this year. So we'll see it around. One of the things you couldn't touch the vehicle was the doors didn't have the safety off installed yet. They just closed on your body. The hydraulics. Yeah, that would be bad. They had to demo it very carefully. That's awesome. Actually, I had a plan to check out a whole bunch of car stuff this year, and it's cool talking to you about it because I basically got to check out none, which was not great. But yeah, was you get to check out Audi and stuff as well? Audi, no, I heard about their booth and I heard about stuff they do with the smartwatch, but I didn't get to visit them. So I guess I was I was kind of focused on like a few dense spots of the show floor rather than try to, you know, explore as much as I did last year. I heard about Audi stuff, but I didn't get to see it. I mean, I'm sorry. Go ahead. This is kind of a completely offshoot thing, but it was this the first show that you've shot on a red. Yes, I've done more shooting out with this camera than I do for every year. It's fun. I mean, every time we get a new camera, it's fun to just go out and shoot and see what you can. So this is one of those times where I'm just discovering really what this camera is capable of and how much I enjoy using it. So it's a lot of fun to shoot with it this year. Last year, it was the C100 that's where you use it as a mic stand. Yeah, but I mean, I don't shoot outside as much as I would like to. It's fun to get out and do stuff like this. Yeah, for sure. So you've talked about cars an awful lot, but was there anything mobile wise that stood out to you at the show this year? Not really mobile. I mean, I saw the new G Flex 2, which was probably the most outstanding phone at the show, I think, that people are talking about. It seems like a phone people would actually want to buy. Whereas the first one cool concept, cool idea, but I don't think anyone's going to actually buy that. Right, so it's a little closer to the G3 in its size and shape and aesthetics. I'm good. And then there's the, actually it's not mobile, but I was actually impressed with 8K TVs. I saw one in the Sharp booth and I think in the Sony booth as well. And they were like 89 inches and 98 inches or something like this. But I can actually tell the difference in the way it looked versus 4K TV. Not going to have any content, not going to look that good all the time. But it looked really cool with the demos they had. You could basically walk up and read fine text. Did you see the Sony projector? The $55,000 projector. Was it the pair of projectors? Yeah, the pair of projectors. That was pretty cool. Seven inches from the wall and a 147 inch image. Laser projector, they hand-built them to order. You wait six to eight weeks, it doesn't matter if you're the king of Egypt. You wait six to eight weeks for your projector. And as awesome as that would be, I don't have a wall that big in my apartment. So it was cool to see at the demo, but yeah. I look like some Egyptian... This new light is... Yeah, it's pretty intense. I don't know what's going on there. I think Egypt is a democracy by the way. Oh, interesting. I'm literally glowing, this is fantastic. You know how pregnant women get that glow? They're all going to envy me now. I'm like four times pregnant. Don't even worry about it. Alright, so go ahead. What is your favorite stuff at the show? For me, I think this is a pretty obvious one. I get really excited about thin and light laptops. I get really excited about high-performance gaming. And I get super bummed out when there's no such thing as a thin and light laptop that performs really well, that has great battery life, that I'm just asking to have my cake and eat it too at this point. So I don't know, you probably didn't check out any computer stuff at the show, right? No, much less than last year, which wasn't available in the first place. So MSI of all people has a laptop that's hyper-thin. It's actually lighter than, I believe it's lighter than the MacBook Air. But don't quote me on that, super light, 13.3 inch notebook. And basically it's got this proprietary slot in the back. You slide it into this dock that's pretty boxy, it's pretty big. And then inside that dock is a full desktop graphics card. So you just power it down, you take it off, in order to take it off we put it on. And then when you boot up, the computer doesn't even know that there's onboard graphics. You're just running directly off of an external graphics card. So you'll get exactly the same gaming experience pretty much on this laptop with an external monitor. And then you want to go somewhere and have it not be very heavy. Would there ever be a way to get it to be able to undock and read without powering down? That's probably a lot more difficult. That is a lot more difficult with Thunderbolt 3 or something. It could be possible. But I mean, the rumor now though is that the new MacBook Air is just going to be USB 3.0 type-C. I saw that and I tweeted about that because I feel like the next version of it will inevitably have two or three more Thunderbolt ports. And oh, we listened to your complaints and we saw that and now you have more ports. But the only port was that one. And I feel like so when you're charged or charging, you don't have any ports. That's kind of a problem. I heard a conspiracy theory that what they're going to do is they're going to have the power brick have your I.O. on it. Yeah, I would believe that. Interesting. That makes sense. But still, what do you want to use the I.O. without the power brick though? Well, you already have your power brick with you. No, not if you have a MacBook Air. So you're just going to class and you want to bring this laptop to class and oh, I also need to plug in a projector to do a presentation. Does that mean you need to be plugged into the wall also? That is kind of annoying. I'm not sure on that one. The guy seemed pretty convinced though that it was a totally possible thing. I could see a $60 breakout cable in the Apple store, but I just don't know how an Albee would make that happen. How does it deal? Yeah, $60. That's pretty reasonable. Yeah, for an Apple accessory. USB type C is pretty nice though. Have you been able to see that show at all? Nope. I haven't seen it yet either. So you saw it, right? Yeah, yeah. It's OK. So it looks really similar to micro USB cable. That small? It is scary. It's quite small. Yeah, it's a little bit longer it seems. And the locking connector on it is pretty intense. You don't see teeth or anything. It's internally locking. Right. So actually the first couple of times that I plugged it in, I didn't realize that it was locked. That it was... I didn't push it in all the way. Oh. Because I hit the end and was like, OK, cool. And then I was like, that's alright. And it sat in the port fairly well. But then actually Nick Van Berkel went to go plug it in and plugged it in a lot more aggressively. And it clicked, like audibly clicked. And then to take it out, you kind of have to like jostle it a little bit and take it out. It's quite a locking cable. And is that done? Or is that prototype? That's done. Yeah, it's like the port and the cable are both fully released. The motherboard is not completely ready yet. One problem that they're going to have with them is actually something that Austin was talking about earlier, which is where the standards for the cables and the ports and the devices are going to be all over the place. It's going to be a mess. It's going to be a complete mess. Is it reversible or no? Yeah, there's several. There's the USB that discharges. You have to tag someone out if you want to talk. You can tag me out if you want. I didn't know you could tag out a co-host. There are no rules on the WAN Show. No, you can tag me out. This can be Marcus Austin losing his real life here. You don't want people to let you loose on that, man. So basically the guy I was talking to said there are going to be several different kinds of these Type-C connectors. So there's some that will discharge. There's some that will be just USB 2.0. And there will be the full featured ones that can handle display port, handle 100 watts of power, handle USB 3. That's the one to one. I guess Austin knows that when you're buying it. And that's the thing I was asking about. How are we supposed to know that? He's like, well, we're considering maybe putting like little flags on the cables to show. But manufacturers are not going to want to do custom branding or something on it. So I'm like, man, this seems like a major problem. That is such a PC thing to do. That is the kind of thing that everyone knows. I love the PC, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But Apple doesn't do that stuff. If there's a cable, there's a cable. But you know what they're probably doing is they're probably saving on the copper wiring and the shielding in the less expensive cables. So they're trying to be like, oh, well, we have a low cost USB 2.0 version. But that's going to be a disaster. I mean, what made USB good is the you. You made USB good. All of you and you. And you. We all made it possible. It's all because of us. I appreciate your recognition of my television. Come on. Yeah. So it's it's going to be interesting to see. But that said, being able to do 100 watts of power, display port, USB, all this kind of stuff over one little tiny cable, which I was not really quite sure I'd seen like the pictures and videos of it. And it just looked like, OK, whatever. But it's almost the same size as micro USB. It's very slightly wider. I think it might be slightly thinner, but it's for all intents and purposes basically like micro USB, which is awesome and reversible. I don't know if you guys talk about it, but it's like it's going to ask is it was completely reversible. The one I played with, it was just in like a like a little custom thing. It wasn't like it was a final. Yeah. But when I was plugging it in, it seemed like it it seemed solid. It wasn't like it's going to fall out. I felt a little bit like if you guys are like, try like a lightning cable. He was describing locking it or plugging it all the way in is sort of a thing you have to be conscious of. I didn't see that at all. Well, essentially, it's just like a selfie. Maybe the one I was just uploading it all the way in and then I would go for it. Which reminds me of micro USB also with some phones. I don't have a cable for that. Yeah. On some phones. I just realized we never did our video where we announced that the show's live. So we've only got like 3000 people watching. So you guys, you guys are real MDPs. That's a solid amount of people who watch for no video. Just what is this from tweets? Just we have like I think we have like 80,000 followers on Twitch. So like it goes out, it goes out to those guys, those guys in theory. I think Twitch's subscriber box is even worse than YouTube. It can take like 24 hours as an email out to you. Yeah. So unless we do a 24 hour stream, a lot of people will. I mean, my flights for a few hours. We can just miss ours, right? Like that's cool. Right? Yeah. We'll just, we're going to, we're going to stay here in the course. We're going to lock the door. We're never going to get in. Yeah. Upgrades all around. All right. So I got to pick on you again. Now that you're back. Let's do it. You made one video so far and it's about Razer's micro console. And I got to wonder, was that that exciting to you? Because it's been done before. Like small Android box connects to your TV over HDMI. Stop me if you've heard this before. I've heard this one before. No, no, no. The reason I did that video first was I was in the Razer booth. I was actually waiting. We were all hanging out and John was shooting a video. Like I had like 30 minutes. So I started shooting. I was planning on doing some kind of like laptop roundup or something. So I started shooting, you know, some of the laptops in the Razer booth. And then they started talking with me about that. And so the forge. So I did a little bit of video on that. And then I started playing around with it. I'm like, wow, this is actually really solid. And I started playing with the control. Like I really liked the feel of these buttons. And then the key, the turret, I was like, this keyboard magnet. What? Like, yeah. So like, it was kind of like, I started shooting, shooting, shooting. And by the end it was like, yeah, this is a full video. So it really wasn't planned. Like I didn't expect it to be some kind of crazy thing, but I was actually pretty impressed. I think the turrets my favorite thing in that video, even though like it's called Razer Forge TV. Right. Did you guys, did you check out the turret? I know I would didn't even go in the Razer booth. All right. You did though, right? Yeah. So basically the turret is, it's a like a little dock with a mouse and keyboard. So basically like it's meant for like playing like a game or something on like your PC sitting on the couch. Like we're doing right now. So basically you pull it out, there's the keyboard and it folds out with a little like track pad. You take the mouse, it's about this size. It's a fairly small mouse. Yeah. But it's magnetized to the trackpad lightly. So you can still, like it still has good tracking and everything. But basically like you can still, you know, sit here in game without like leaning it and like having it completely fall off. Or on your 8K TV with your crystal clear text. Right. You could actually use a massive screen like that from the couch. That sounds pretty sick. Which is pretty cool. Yeah. It's, it's, it was surprising because like I just moved my gaming PC out to my living room. And I love being able to play on my TV. Actually, I got a video on that. But it's not the best having to deal with the mouse and like running cables. And it's like, it's not really great for sitting on a couch and having to deal with all that stuff all over the coffee table. So this looks awesome. Okay. Changing gears a little bit. You guys are camera dorks. Did you at least find a chance to stop by Parrot? I was there on our way to Razer and I was hypnotized because everyone's standing there with their phones taking videos of it. So in the 10 minutes it took to walk past Parrot, we took the, we saw the, I guess it was a show basically of all the drones. Yeah. That was pretty cool. Yeah. So the, the Bebop looks like a badass piece of machinery. I missed that. What is that? Okay. So the, the AR drone 2.0 is a toy. It's garbage now. I don't know. It's their probably going to be their biggest seller essentially. Yeah. Cause that's what people are going to see in the commercial. It's a couple hundred dollars more for the Bebop than it ever was for an AR drone. I think those were, those are 300, right Luke? Get the AR drone? Yeah. 299? That sounds about right. Yeah. So Bebop is 500 and has some crazy technology. It's got GPS in it. They've got a range extender. So you still control with wifi, but they've got a range extender that can go to two kilometers. Whoa. And it has like actual control knobs and everything. And you can get a live video feed from two kilometers away flying the Bebop. Original AR drone. Oh yeah. Sorry, what? Oh, you can use this. I'm not doing anything with it. Okay. So range of two kilometers. Right. So the original AR drone could only go like maybe 12 feet high. Really? That's it? Yeah. It uses an ultrasonic sensor to know how high it is. So if you went too high, it lost traction. And it just freaks out. Yeah. It's just like bye. Wow. So this one still has that, but it has a pressure sensor as well. So you can actually fly it up really high. 1080p camera, 180 degree lens. It has support for Oculus. So you can wear... That's pretty cool. Yeah. That's pretty cool. So there's HDMI out on the control module thing. Can you... is the moving of the head associated with the moving of the camera as well? Whoa. I believe so, but I'm not sure. Because that would be the ultimate video rig if I'm just standing on the sidewalk and getting sick shots by myself. That drone video? I was going to bring up DJI because they're doing a bunch of things with the Inspire. Yeah, we have a video coming on DJI. I was messing with the Inspire one while ago, which is much bigger and much more expensive. It has a 4K camera and everything. But controlling it, you need a separate person on a separate controller. And that was cool if you have two people and you can do that. But yeah, Oculus on the face with the drone... I want that. Yes. Yeah. I want that. I totally want that. So cool. So that was really cool. And you guys saw the air show then, right? Yeah. I was walking past it, but I saw like the nine or so drones. We actually... I don't know if I'm supposed to talk about this. There's only 3,400 of you, so it should be fine. As long as you guys each only tell three people, then we should be fine. They actually took us in the back backstage of the air show. That place is bananas. They wouldn't let us take any pictures, no video, but it's crazy. They just had drones on drones on drones on drones on drones. Backup drones, backup props. Yeah, repair tables, like all these parts, the software that they're using for this thing. Because the way it works is they had a patterned stage underneath. Yeah, it's got to be custom software. They're building that, right? Yeah, so, oh yeah, the complete, oh, full custom. So the bottom camera is looking at where it is. So they're able to do like flips and reorient, figure out, say, exactly precisely where they were. Get this. When they set up the booth for the first... Oh, I really don't know if I should say this. Okay, when they first set up the booth, it wasn't working. They were here until 2 or 3 a.m. the night before the first day of the show. Because they had it working perfectly back in France. And you take something like that, you pack it up on like a plane. You ship it to Las Vegas, you unpack it. Something's going to be different. If something was slightly misaligned, all of a sudden a drone hits another drone, right? Oh no. Because they don't know where each other are. That's high-stakes stuff. I was saying, like, if one drone taps another drone, it's over for that show. So you got to be careful with those. That was crazy. But drones are cool. I was impressed. Drones are cool. Yeah, I'm really excited. You see, there's a YouTube video. I don't know when it was uploaded, but it's kind of blowing up like yesterday and today. I haven't seen it for sure. Of a guy. It's his first drone flight. And the DJI drones, probably all drones, when they get low on battery, they just lower themselves to the ground slowly wherever they are. So it's a shot of a guy flying it over a lake. And it's pointed back at the shore, and he slowly starts to see the drone go down. You see him running and freaking out. I don't want to spoil it, but it's one of the best videos. I'll probably tweet it later. I already see where this is going. No, no, no. It's an excellent last second save. Does it land in a boat? It's an excellent last second save. Yes. It's awesome. You should leave it. He's leaving it at the right point. Yeah. Okay. It's so cool. I'll definitely tweet it later. I don't know. Cool. DJI's drone was pretty sick. I think it could go like 60. Are you tagging me out? I'm still working here, so there's no point in tagging you out. But I think it could go like 60 miles an hour. Inspire 1? Yeah. I think it's 75. 75? That thing's insane. It's like, yeah, the legal limit for height is... It's limited to 75. Oh, the height is also limited. When we were messing with it, we... No, I shouldn't say that. Yeah, you shouldn't say that. But it was... Yeah, the thing is capable. The legal limit exists. Absolutely. He put such a huge audible disclaimer on legal limit, letting me know it's drastically higher than this. Yeah. I think it goes a mile in every direction. So what's some of your favorite stuff? What's some of my what, sorry? Some of your favorite stuff from CES. You know what? Some of the stuff that I enjoyed was just like, I don't know, kind of dumb stuff. We saw the world's smallest and lightest PC motherboard. It's like 12 grams or something like that. It's got like four gigs of RAM. It's got an interface on the back that supports a 512 gig SSD. It's like this big. They put it on a scale for me. I'm just like, this is stupid. You're just dumb. It's like... All right. Years of engineering. It's kind of dumb. I was just like, this is ridiculous. The heat sink is literally a piece of copper foil that sits on top of the CPU. All right. That is a little ridiculous. I like this is awesome. They're like, yeah, this thing turbos to like 2.6 gigahertz. It's a dual core. Dual core what? It's a core i5 whatever. No, this is like, no, this is Broadwell. This is like some serious business. Wow. Where's this going to go in? Like ultra books, ultra books, tablets. Asus had like these hyper thin tablets that sit in the keyboard dock like they do, but they were like super thin, x86 based, full windows 8.1. I saw a TV from Sony, right? Sony? Yeah. The super thin Android TV. The 4.6 millimeter one, right? Yeah. And I walked up to it and I guess lose the Ben guy. But if you want to tap me out if you want, but you walk up to the TV and you can literally grab with two fingers and just twist it. And it's still an LED panel and you can move it around. It looked really good, but it was very thin. So I think there's a solution to that. We stopped by Corning. Corning usually has awesome demos. And this year they didn't have anything practical. Like I think I'm in right now. I can be here and be in. All right. We couldn't, we couldn't just kind of like drop stuff on Gorilla Glass like I've done in the past. But this year they were showing off a TV that doesn't have a plastic diffusion layer. So for an edge lit TV, normally you'd need a plastic diffuser in order to get the evenness in the backlight. So they've developed a new glass that emits light evenly over the entire surface. Instead of you light it at one end and it's really bright and at the other end it's really pale. So they were saying that this will enable thinner TVs because with plastic you have to put a lot more structural components in. With glass you actually add a lot of structural strength and it can be, and it can be hyper thin. Wow. They also had that, that, that wire I was telling you about. They had glass filament optical fiber that instead of being designed to hold the light in is designed to let the light out evenly. It's so light they had a helium balloon floating on. And it's, so it's, you put a laser in one end and it glows. They had a guitar that you strum and it like, it's all winding the guitar. It was sick. There's cool stuff like that see yes. Like I, we were over at the Sharp booth and we started looking around. They had some crazy displays all over the place. I didn't see Sharp at all. Sharp had I think one of the better booths for the panel stuff. I mean there's TVs everywhere. But you saw, you've seen the Sharp Aquos Crystal which has those you know minimal displays on the top right and left. It's a phone. Yeah, it's a phone. And they had other examples of using that bezel-less technology in car displays and other shapes displays. A circular version of that with no bezel. Like gauges and curves. Random other shape of it for a car dashboard and examples and things like that. It looked pretty cool. I have videos of that too. It's gonna be awesome. Yeah. And there was also the, what was it? 89? 89 inch? What was that? 89 inch? 89 inch 8K TV and a 98 inch 8K TV. Yeah so they had those. They had a completely bendable display that was like wrapped around a pole. I don't know if it's bendable. I think it was just, it was just, that's the shape it was made. They were showing off that they can make displays in all these different forms and shapes and they had one wrapped around a pole which was interesting. So it reminded me of like a Times Square as you see except in actual TV. Right. Yeah. Really cool. I'm actually pretty excited about HDMI 2.0. Woo! Yeah, so that's, that's fine. Maybe not that excited. I'm sorry? Maybe not quite that excited. Like party time. No, no I'm, okay. HDMI 2.0. No one can be as excited as you are about HDMI 2.0. I'm pretty excited. Very soon. Jif or gif? I say jif because that's the way it's said to be said. Jif is peanut butter. I don't remember how I said it before that thing. That whole article. I don't remember how I said it before that. Alright. We won't get into this one. Alright. Yeah. HDMI 2.0. I dance a lot. You're a great dancer. HDMI 2.0. Thank you. Actually yeah, HDMI 2.0 because I have, there's a Vizio TV that has HDMI 2.0 so I had a 970 hooked up to a 50 inch Vizio 4K TV, HDMI 2.0, 4K 60Hz. Dope. Yeah. Dope. Yeah. Not, not that terribly meaningful for, actually this is something I get, my audience in particular is begging and pleading me to do 60Hz videos. 60, yeah 60fps videos. And something that I want to kind of address here and maybe if I have such credible gentlemen here in the room with me to back me up on this, you guys might actually believe it. 60Hz is great for gaming. Yes. It's great for viewing gameplay, thank you, thank you. A 60Hz display with 60fps content is great for gaming, it is great for viewing gaming content and it's great for sporting events, very high speed, very high speed imagery. For something like him sitting in his room talking like this. Now I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna kind of drop a bombshell here. Okay I'm ready. We uploaded a video at 60fps, bombshell time, about a month ago. Okay. And everyone freaked out in the video, they're like this is so great. It was a 60, it was 60fps, alright it was 30fps content and I just exported it at 60fps. Nobody caught it. You can't make frames. Wow. I mean that says a lot though. Yeah, I would have looked very carefully into those comments because I want to go back and find that now. But like people ask me all the time, when are you gonna start doing 60fps videos. So Ian, have any of you guys here seen the Hobbit in 48fps? I haven't actually, I saw the Hobbit 1 in 3D and I was so disappointed that I didn't bother seeing Hobbit 2 in 3D, I saw it in 2D. And I haven't seen Hobbit 3 because Hobbit 2 was terrible. Hobbit 3 is better than Hobbit 2. That's like saying that this dog shit sandwich tastes better than like the cow shit sandwich. I would say the Hobbit, it's gonna be great when someone cuts it into a 2 hour movie, takes all three and cuts it into a 2 hour movie. Yes. Anyway, back to 60. So if you guys aren't familiar, can you guys get over here? Alright, alright, alright, I'm getting kicked off my own. Okay, so have you guys seen the Hobbit? Yes. I have not. I've seen all three. What did you think of the first one? Way too long, but okay. And then the second one? Awful. Third one? Not bad. Right? Like I felt the exact same way. The first two were elongated garbage. Yes. Unfortunately. Even though I love- Extra story lines, all kinds of just- Oh. Like they were enjoyable in parts, but there's just so many things that just like you pulled you right out of the story because you- Yes. Like why is this happening? Yeah. Why are dwarves able to fight this well against all these other things? It's like- I've not seen the Hobbit on a tag. Yeah, what is happening right now? Okay. So the minus two can come back now. No, no, no, we're talking about 60 FPS video. Oh, 60 FPS video. You can probably talk about that. So that's why I brought up Hobbit because I thought Hobbit was actually pretty decent. Did you watch in the 40s? I watched the first one in 40 and I enjoyed it. I could tell it wasn't- Okay. It was weird, right? It almost felt like if you watched an early movie or something. You know what it's like? It's like watching one of those Spanish TV- Like a soap opera. Soap opera. Yeah, one of those. And it's distracting and it feels like a different genre. I don't know if it's real though. I feel like it's- No, to me, okay, to me, 48 FPS and anything higher than 24 or 30, even 30 to a degree, it just like cinema, like if you're talking about a feature film, not like a YouTube video but a feature film, you're there to get immersed in that storyline, right? Yes, okay. That's what you mean. So it no longer, it becomes a distraction. Exactly, exactly. And the frame rate should, any technical aspect of the movie should not be taking over the story. It's like if you shot a whole video at F0.95. Yeah. And it's like- Nothing's in focus. Everyone's noses are in focus and their faces are out. Yeah, it just doesn't look like it's distracting again and it takes you out of the story and it's a technical feature but does that mean it's better? Unnecessary. I don't want to take anyone else out but I have a question for the four guys. Okay, go ahead. Because it's something I'm not super educated on. Lord of the Rings, Peter Jackson, known for like crazy mountain pan shots. Yes. In the mountain pan shot in Two Towers at 24 FPS, my brain is. And in the new one, when he pans through the mountain and it shows all the gold, when he's doing a really quick pan of all the gold, it just looks disgusting at slow FPS. Yes. So I feel like part of that is just because 48 FPS- Is that his fault or- No. I feel like high frame rate stuff is new. I feel like it's not figured out yet. Like there have been high frame rate videos but like it's never really been like really worked out as far as like for movies. Like this is a fairly new thing. So I want to- Because usually it's fine. It's just those two kind of shots. Yeah. Yeah. Panning. Quick pans. So you're panning at a higher shutter speed. Yes. When you pan at a higher shutter speed, things become jittery and choppy and weird. So those big sweeping shots might look cool at 24 when everything's nice and smooth. But when you start- It's actually 24 FPS on a PC. I'm making room for Berko. Berko, come here. It's a weird looking- Bring it in, bring it in. It's a big couch. You saw the face tag. I don't move the 11. For someone. I don't know who. Just join. Just join. Can I touch it? So I feel like 60 FPS video looks awesome for like, the line is the same, gameplay is great. But for like a normal YouTube video of like, me sitting in front of my desk, like my face doesn't look that much better than 60 FPS. It looks a little bit better, but not that much. For the amount of data you have to add in each clip to make an efficient workflow. Yeah, that's the other thing. You're just adding, I don't know, you're really putting a burden on yourself if you're adding 60 frames. For what sort of difference really, right? Well, and the other thing that a lot of people might not know if you don't use a camera, like really often you're not really diving into it, is when you shoot at a higher frame rate you need a higher shutter speed and you need more light. And all of those things add up to, oh man, this experience is not, this is like, this is throwing me off. And that's why I think, like it's a creative choice for Peter Jackson to do an aerial that's so fast that it's hard for people to kind of register it. That's his choice. He could do it differently to make it a little bit easier on the eyes. Can we just pause for a second and say that we mentioned 60 FPS video and now we're like a bunch of Lord of the Rings nerds arguing. Can we just like, the land show is the cinematic discussion. Well, I just stood up for 30 seconds, guys. We took over for 30 seconds and now we're like complete nerds. Right off track. I feel like I gotta tag out. I will tag out and take one for the team here. Alright, so what's the topic now? I don't know. I think you gotta leave this. The topic now? This is... Alrighty then. I'm just gonna read the chat until I tell a new topic. Ask me. Hail Nick MLG. Thank you. Oh, it said LMG. Never mind. That's a different one. I do like high frame rate video when it's slowed down though. I can take advantage of it. Yeah, absolutely. I had some stuff, the BMW i3 when it was avoiding crashing and I was shot at like 90 frames a second and I do everything at 30 so basically have the car going towards the barrier full screen and you at full speed you see it avoid crashing and then I replayed it and you can see it. You can see the people in the car like shift forward. You can see a little bit of the tire shifting. It's cool. It's cool to see that kind of stuff when you slow it down. Slow motion is ridiculously awesome because like the amount of things that you can see that you would never be able to see in real life. Like if you... It's the Phantom. Little details. 1200 frames per second, 2500 frames per second. That camera's on another level. The things that you can do with that thing just in like literally you cannot see that with your eyes. Your eyes will not be able to see that. I feel the same way from slow mo about time lapse too. It's like you can't see a time lapse with your eyes like just in everyday life. You can't see something be faster than it usually is. But then when you see a time lapse of like the clouds or something like that it's just this like phenomenon. It's incredible. Yeah, these 8K TVs, there's no 8K video to show on a lot of them but in order to make an 8K video they show a lot of these time lapses. Yeah. Like 28 make up photos. From like a large format camera. Exactly. And you can see all these 8K images and it's just surreal looking at like the whole city for a whole day as the clouds roll by and the lights change in 8K. It's just crazy. Like just like you're looking outside right now. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty insane. And you actually said you noticed like an actual difference between the 4K, the significant 8K, the<|la|> 8K. Well at that size. It was an 89 inch TV. Right. When I looked at it I was like that looks better. When you're seeing something like 42 inch or something like that I don't think you're gonna be able to really tell. You just want to come here. 15 feet away from it looking at it. Depends on how far you sit from it. Depends on how big it is. But yeah, I feel like if I'm putting it on a wall way over there I might not notice that difference. It's all about the distance and like there's like always an optimal, especially with a lot of the curved TVs. Unless you're like directly in this exact spot you're not really getting a better experience. Although I did see one manufacturer claiming that was better for a better video. There's one curved TV that I kinda get. Do you want to tell me? No, no, I'm playing. Crap. I forget who it was. They showed it last year as well. But basically they're, okay I got mixed messages, mixed messages. But they're saying that one person told me that you could actually change the curve. So it's that flexible TV. Who says that again? Sam? Samson? I think that, yeah, you're right. I want to say it was Samson. I hadn't heard about that. So you can curve it all the way and then you can uncurve it all the way. Let's prototype one that they have there. And someone told me that you might be able to stop in between. So that would be super cool. You can go flat if you've got like ten guys over. You can go all the way curved if you're watching by yourself. Right. I guess if you're that into the curve and you have to have it for yourself then that would be a good option. Good middle ground. Yeah. I don't know. I have a curved TV but I never watch it with ten people. It's usually one or two so we just sit in the middle of the couch and it's fine. But I saw like a curved TV like on one of these rotating stands and it was saying look at how many more viewing angles there are and it just twisted the TV around and you're like I guess I can see that. There wasn't any color shift as it got to the edges. Maybe it's a benefit. I don't know. Well actually one of the really early, I read an article recently and Sony is actually making curved sensors for like they're developed. It's like super early. Not even like. Yeah. They haven't even found the perfect use case. But I think the idea is that the way that if you can curve a sensor you can build a lot more like technical stabilization. Because Sony's got their five boxes of stabilization. I'm thinking of what benefits that would have over just different glass. Yeah. Like what would an image from a curved sensor look like? Would it just be distorted? I don't know. Would it be something like a ball where it's brought back after? It's super impressive. But it's interesting because the article went on about how I think in that technology they've somehow managed to figure out how to gather more actual light than you can with a flat sensor. I don't know how they did that. Again, application is kind of. And it's not just more light. It's like they're getting crazy amounts of dynamic range. Like 25 stops. Like can you even think, can you fathom 25 stops? That sounds great. Well hopefully in CES in the next couple of weeks. Yeah, 2017. Or NAB. Have you ever been to NAB? No. I guess you go to NAB. Let's go. Let's go to NAB. Yeah, let's just go right now. Just wait here until April. I like how this has totally been hijacked from. Yeah, there's not even. Like a PC electronic slasher. Thanks everyone. See ya. Tank away. No more cameras. We take over. Alright. Just Austin and I. The Austin and Luke show has just begun. Welcome. Hopefully you're enjoying the camera talk. No more of that. No more of cameras. Hi. Now we're going to talk about face mounted displays. Face mounted displays. I like that. Because I've seen the Oculus booth and most of the other VR booths. Right. And you've very specifically seen all the other VR booths. I've seen all the things. Sup bro. Is your other one up? Is that video up? That video is. That was what we were shooting. Oh a little bit of that booth shot today. Yeah. Yeah, most of my stuff can go up later. But yeah, I can talk about it. So I tried a few different things. So first of all Gear VR. Have you tried it? I haven't. Gear VR? Definitely. I've tried it a few times. Okay. So I hope you're with me. It's awesome. It is awesome. Cool. So I played a game. If you guys don't know Samsung Gear VR it's like the Note 4. It's kind of like a housing for the Note 4. Kind of a little bit like Google Cardboard. Although it's quite a bit nicer. It's nicer. Yeah for sure. But the Note 4, I mean it's got that 1440p screen. You know Oculus was already using Note 3 screens in the DK2 right? Yeah. So it actually makes sense. It's a really nice screen. It's a very good visual experience if nothing else. And it is good in other ways as well. But it's visual experience is definitely there. Awesome. So the demo I tried, do you know the one where you're constantly flying forward and then you're entirely controlling it by looking around and then you tap the side to shoot? You know what? I don't know if I've done that one. I've done quite a few demos. That one blew my mind because that one kind of showed one of the big advantages of the Gear VR over something like Oculus. It's completely untethered right? So I was able to spin around because the entire controls are you looking. So I can spin my chair around and do everything and I wasn't tethered. So it was like, I was just like, I looked completely insane. But that's awesome. That's exactly what you want from a virtual reality experience. Yes. Because in the real world you might look insane but in the game it makes a ton of sense. Yeah. I was literally, I took it off and I was grinning for like five minutes straight. That felt exactly like it felt when I tried the very first Oculus. Yeah. The EVE Valkyrie demo or whatever it was called back then, EVE VR or whatever it was. The original version, I tried that and I was just like, this is the greatest thing ever. I pulled my phone and I was like, okay I've got to order one of these things. Gear VR was like that same experience of like, whoa this is really, really awesome. And it was on a phone. Like it looked awesome. It was on a phone. So Gear VR. It's very impressive and I like that you brought up the non-tethered experience. Yeah. Because that is a big deal. Hopefully stuff like wireless HDMI stops being kind of sort of junk. Because well, like in certain situations it's good, but not for virtual reality because it's too slow for that. So junk for that. I don't mean junk in general. I've heard Oculus, they've talked so much about trying to get every tiny like millisecond out of the latency. I don't think wireless is going to work well unless they have... Not for them, at least for a very long time. Although, looking at how good that Note 4 was running, I don't think we're that far off from having an entirely untethered Oculus. Yeah, I think you'll have troubles with like the big crazy games. Yes. And I also think that games created as both experiences might become less and less of a thing over time. Yeah. Because people are starting to realize that when you build a game around a keyboard and mouse or controller experience, those are actually much more similar than a VR experience. You can't really shoehorn a normal game and go, uh, throw Oculus on it. You really can't do that. It's working for now. Yes. But in the long run. It's working. I feel like... Yeah. I haven't seen any awesome experience on VR that was not already designed for VR. I haven't seen it. Some of them go, uh, throw it on. A couple things work reasonably well, but all the best demos I've tried on VR were completely made from the ground up. And a lot of them are simple, too. I was literally just flying around shooting ships. But just because I was in it and I was spinning around and... Built for you. Exactly. That's a big deal. So I think that's a huge part of the VR experience. It's not so much the hardware. I feel like hardware is almost at this point good enough. Like the 1440p screen? Solid. Yeah. But that software really needs to, I feel like, catch up quite a bit more. Some things in terms of hardware are going to be interesting because, uh, and this ties in again to the needs to be built for it idea. Um, because if you can get really close up to things, texture resolution becomes a huge problem. Yes. Because if you're like this far away from something, the texture resolution on that item needs to be very high for it to not look terrible. Because the resolution on your screen can be great, but when you're too close to things you can just ruin the experience. So, things need to either be made in a way that like, say you're in a ship, the things in the ship have a really good texture resolution, and then the objects outside of it, which won't get that close to you, could maybe tone it down a little bit. And that's where performance might become an issue because high texture resolution is going to be a problem. I feel like VR is like an entirely, like, huge step beyond anything. Like, yeah, sure you have like a 1080p screen or 1440p screen, but like, considering just how different it is, and plus, you gotta keep in mind that you're running it for both eyes, you have to keep like a, what, 75 frames or something like that for Oculus. It depends which one. I believe the new unit, the, what is it, Crescent Bay is a 90Hz. No, is it 90 now? Of course, you can run your game slower than that, but it has the potential of running it to 90. Right, yeah, so like, it's massively demanding. I almost feel like it's gonna, yeah, we just watched the video. I almost feel like VR might just kinda like push a lot of hardware to like step up the game. Like, you know, you're not just running a 1080p screen, like, this is an entirely different deal. Yeah, honestly, right now, and it's not the same as when, like, let's say 10 years ago, but right now, most people entering the gaming scene can buy a pretty freaking affordable computer and be totally fine. No problems running high-frame, it's all that kind of stuff. The second you jump to VR, if you wanna run 1440p screen, 90 FPS. Imagine something like Crysis. Ridiculous. What it takes. And then you have VR, so that's gonna be interesting. But then again, experiences that are designed and tailored to be on VR, where they know these performance issues are gonna be a problem. If they can make something, and that's another cool thing about Gear VR too, it has its own store. Yes. So you're not gonna be trying to do the PC experiences, you'll be doing stuff that's made for Gear VR, which is perfect and that makes a ton of sense, and people will be able to go in there with the knowledge of what they're building it for and be able to create things that make a lot more sense for Gear VR. Untethered experiences, maybe don't make it so you can get super close to things, make it more of a like, and like super close to things, I mean literally in your face. Right, you can get as close as you want. It's not like you're looking at it from a TV that's like five feet away. Yeah, like the second you get any amount of distance off, text resolution isn't nearly as important. It's when you're like, hmm, I wanna see this screw on this object, because that's one of the first things I do. If I look at this mouse, I put it this close to my face, I can still see all the detail. Yeah. Right, but like if it's sitting on the table, I don't need that much detail, so you figure it's like, it's pretty crazy. Have you tried much VR stuff? Not a whole lot, but I did really like the Oculus demo. I don't do super well with like fully immersive VR. Yeah. Like, I get a little dizzy motion sickness sometimes. Really? I really enjoyed the Oculus demo. That should get better for you over time, because experiences become a lot stronger. Did you check out the demo? Oculus? No. It was really good. Did you hear about it? I heard a little bit about it, no. It was interesting. I think this was the first time, at least at a show that I've been at, that they've probably done it before. That they have fully developed demos. Not even that. They've had fully developed demos before. But it was standing. Oh, right! It was a standing experience. So you stood on like this pad, which was kind of like, so that you knew where you'd be in frame of the motion capture camera. The motion capture camera is a lot wider frame, vertically and horizontally, and there's now a lot of air tracking LEDs that can track you when you're sideways and when you're not facing the camera. So it's not an untethered experience. Right. But it's kind of in between. Because before it was a seated in front of the camera, this is what you have to do experience. Now you can stand up and you can move around a little bit more. You still have a cable. There's still like a box that you have to stand in. Both of those things are not the same as Gear VR. But it's awesome. Pretty crazy demos. There was one where there was like a dinosaur coming after you. That was pretty cool. We went through an Unreal Engine demo, which was sick. Brandon and I both did it. Both of us like naturally tried to dodge the bullet, which was nuts. Glass flying at me. I'm like, oh, jeez. Wow. Legit. And I've used Development Kit 2 enough that I've basically gotten rid of those natural responses. But with the new one and standing and just being out of all those elements that I'm used to now, it's triggering me again to start moving, which is really cool because that immersiveness is huge. The only thing that kind of broke it for me, which will be a problem for Gear VR too, but not necessarily everything, and hopefully new controllers will come out for this, is the second something got in my face, I wanted to go try to grab it. And I put my hand up. My hand's not there. It's immersion breaking. And we'll also need, this is again where maybe Gear VR won't be super in this direction because physics events will be really hard to do. But games where you're shooting stuff or whatever are totally fine. But on desktop ones where they can put more processing power into the physics stuff, if you're able to wear a glove that is tracking your hand and has some amount of haptic feedback in it and grab things and move them, if you could do that superhero scene where you're running and everything else is in super slow motion and you're going in full speed and you can grab things that are in the air and throw them at people and stuff, that could be so sick. Brandon was talking about that. I had a little bit of a look at something like that with Razer OS VR today. Yep. And I had basically it was a leap motion right on the front of the headset. And the demo we tried was like you hold your hands out, you have fireballs and you throw them, and it was just tracking your hands. So you could track your individual fingers, hold it up high. And you could just throw it like the ghosts that were flying around. I feel like that might be a decent kind of middle ground. But the tracking at least. No, that actually totally makes sense. The tracking at least for me was a little spotty. It was pretty rough. It didn't work that often. Now there's problems with that with interference because we're in the hall, but it's not going to fix the problem. It's like a stepping stone. Yes, for sure. I also tried another leap motion implementation, which was at Suan's Cortex. That was hard work. It probably worked about like 10% of the time. But a lot of that again due to interference in the hall, because they were in an area with a lot of robots and stuff. So there was a lot of radio interference. I don't know how that messes with the leap motion, but they were telling me that was a problem. And yeah, there was some serious issues with hand tracking there. But then again, at OSVR jumping back. Yeah, very specific positioning, which was a little frustrating. You were constantly like it would lose track, so you hold your hands up like, okay, I've got it. Now I lost it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was frustrating. You can get the hand of it, but get the hand of it. Sorry, I had to. But those are the kind of things that we have to overcome, especially when it comes to input. Because a game like that, I didn't even really think about it at first, but I was talking about manipulating objects being difficult in terms of processing power. But a game like that would totally work for something like Gear VR. Yeah. And if you could get better tracking. You know, Gear VR has a note built in. I wonder if you could somehow leverage the rear-facing camera. I know there's a piece. I wonder if moving forward you can kind of work out. Gear VR 2. Exactly, yeah, because you think if you're working with a phone, right, you have a lot of stuff. It's already using sensors and whatnot, but I wonder where cameras end. That's a good idea. I feel like there's more that you can do if you're working with a phone. Before this, I had zero expectations of Gear VR. It's just some goofy thing that they made. I mean, I liked Google Cardboard, but it was decent. It didn't blow my mind. Right. But Gear VR, I'm actually paying way more attention to some kind of fully built, built and fully integrated. Hey, Tagging. Hi, Darren. I feel like there's more people behind this, too. Sup, bro? Hi, guys. Go on. You can tag in if you want. Just let me know. But, you know, I'm actually way more excited about some kind of fully integrated headset. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that would be really cool. I'm going to jump to Sulan's Cortex. I haven't tried that one yet. Okay, so the idea of it is there's a spatial scanner on the back of your head. Right. And then there's stereo cameras on the front. And then other than that, it looks a lot like an Oculus or a Gear VR. It's untethered. Okay. So the idea is that the spatial scanner and the stereo cameras take in the environment that's in the room and then recreate it through. So there's almost a direct pass through kind of style thing going on. I understand. Where I can, like I was standing in the room with Brandon and some of the guys that were doing the demo with me, and I could see Brandon, the guys, through the cameras. It wasn't a recreation, it was through the cameras. And then there was a portal on one side of the room. So I walked from where I was and went through the portal. And then the whole structure of the room, the walls, Brandon, everything was gone. And now I'm in this like dragon's, or it was a, what was it, a Hydra layer. And I had to fight this Hydra. And it was a funny idea because this was shield block and this was shooting spells. Yeah. It was based on a leap motion. So when I went to OSVR, I was like, this is oddly familiar. Yeah. But yeah, the problem with that was huge issues with hand tracking. The screen was not ready. Like I know you were not stoked on the OSVR screen. I wasn't either, but the Ceylon's cortex was worse. Now this isn't the final version. Of course. So they're going to be, they're going to be replacing the leap motion. So hopefully the problems with tracking will be gone. They're going to be updating stuff like the screen. So hopefully they'll solve those issues. Like it's, it's very early on. They didn't even let me film in the area that I was able to do the demo. Because they didn't want you to see the unit that they had that had like some wires going all over the place and stuff. Which I thought is kind of silly because Oculus is like, look at every single version of everything we've ever made that looks like trash. Which like everyone I know thinks is cool. And then they didn't let us film like an external screen for what the demo I was going to do. Right. So I wasn't able to show that. I don't understand. Like you're working on something that's a prototype that's not done yet. You don't want someone to make a video. Like look how much this thing sucks. It's not done. Yeah. But now I'm talking here. But now you're talking about everyone's assuming it's way worse. Yeah. Right. Like if you could just see the experience, cause it wasn't, it was a good proof of concept. Right. I don't think it's ready and it's obviously not, it's not released yet. But I don't know if even their release will be ready because I know they're planning on, they're trying to get Taren to poke one of us. I think so. The Twitch chat is, they do that. Yeah. They have development kit releasing in however many months. And that is as far as I know the only development kit they're going to release. And then CV, they don't have a release date. But as far as I can tell, they're getting close to what they want the final version to be. And it's not ready in my opinion. But this idea of spatial scanners, stereo cameras, and being able to interact with environments that are very similar to the room that you're in are interesting. The other demo that I had from them was, so same kind of like rectangular room, there's an engine in the middle. And it remapped the room so I could see the wall. So I could walk up to the wall and touch it. And the wall was actually there. So you're talking about the actual like physical wall that you were... The physical wall. So you're walking around in this demo. Yeah. Okay. So I could walk up to the physical wall and it was recreated in the headset. So I could walk up to it and touch it. Now this was virtual so it was like a glowing wall. But when I touched it, I actually touched the actual real wall. Which is kind of a cool experience to be completely honest. Wait, you could touch the wall? Yeah. It was a demo that I could walk around in. So it was a big rectangular room and I could walk around in it. And the headset has stereo cameras on the front and a spatial scanner. So it recreated the room in the virtual reality headset. And then you can go around and like touch the walls and whatnot. That's amazing. And then I touched the engine seductively. Is it time that we all like start lounging? Is that part of the way in the show? But if I lounge back, I'm going to be good. Then you'll be touching my penis. Yeah. It's going to get a little bit personal. I'll go a little bit lounge back so it looks like it's happening. Yeah, there we go. Bring it around. To keep going on in my more boring story, there's an engine in the middle of the room floating. And you can go up to it and look at it and all that kind of stuff. And then if you hold your hands in front of you and go like that, the engine will explode isn't the right word. But like all the individual pieces will come out. And you'll be able to see like all the different screws and each individual piston and all that kind of stuff. And then if you put your hands up again and pull in, the engine will reassemble itself. So I can't take you seriously with him right behind me. I'm so used to him screwing around that it almost doesn't bother me. You're immune to this right now? Yeah, I'm just like whatever, it's just happening. This is a thing. That's exactly the line that I've been waiting to hear all my life. Get the fuck out of here. The WAN Show! Oh no, okay. Alright, so now that you're here, hi. Hi. First of all, I feel like I just took over. Welcome. This is a little show called The WAN Show. Glad to have you on. It's basically we talk about The Hobbit. People love talking about cameras. Best part, we talk about VR way too much. I noticed that. Yeah, and that's pretty much it. So welcome. How's your day going? Well, I was thinking maybe we should actually look at that hashtag that we told everyone to use. Hashtag AustinsNipple. Or is it AustinNipples? AustinsNipple. Singular. Okay, AustinsNipple. So I have one nipple. Alright. What about the porn set? Oh! I don't know if we have time for that one. Well, we'll just turn the camera around. Andrew says this is seriously the coolest WAN Show. I love this community gathering of YouTubers. It is. This is fun. This is literally like there just happens to be a camera rolling. Yeah, how did that get there? Did they even notice that TLD Today and Your Average Consumer are back there? Yeah, you guys, come on. Come on up. Tag yourselves and my friends. I just want to... Welcome to hashtag AustinsNipple. I wanted to point something out, which is that we're not supposed to be using a pool table. You've got to point that out. Corsair staff only. Apparently I need to... I am getting booted from the show. Wait. Take over. Step in. We can't take over. Yes, you can. Ladies, you've got to join us. I can't do this all myself. You've got this, man. You've got this. Okay, okay. How about I talk about the thing that I thought was really cool? I made it. I made it. Everyone's been looking at my crotch. It's cool. This is Tera in Tech Tips now. I have the alliteration. What have you seen at the show that you like? I will tell you. So the coolest thing that I saw was... Did you swing by the Intel area? I was barely there. I was there for like only with you today. So we were passing through there and I saw this guy with a robot hand. That was 3D printed. I was just staring at it. I was like, does he have a real hand under there? Is this fake? But he did not have a right hand. So he had like... I don't know. He was born without a hand. And it was up to here or here is when it stopped. I couldn't tell because... So like fairly far down his forearm. But they used an Intel scanning thing to scan what Army had. And they made a 3D printed mold from that to go on the rest of it. And then they had the regular, I guess, the stock kind of hand. Which was connected to... I suppose there were motors. I think it was done by wire or something. Like this is how a tendon works. And then he was wearing something on his hip as well. And there are all these sensors all over his actual arm. Because he was mind controlling this 3D printed robot hand. And it was just the coolest thing. And he was shaking people's hands and I shook his hands. You said there was a wrist. No, no. No wrist action at all. It's a little awkward trying to shake with no wrist action. That's kind of weird. But it was still amazing. It was still the coolest thing ever. He could do the fist bump. And then he could explode. Explode the fist out. It was amazing. That's really cool. So I didn't know that it was possible to have mind control of a hand. I know because I've seen the guy that has two new arms. Oh yeah, I saw that one. But they had to go into his chest or his brain. It was really painful. I think it was both. I'm not even sure. I didn't look enough into it. They could only move one thing at a time. Yeah. But he could control both arms. On the topic of assistance of the potentially disabled. One thing that I saw at... What is it even called? Showstoppers. So kind of CES. The attachment thing. I didn't see that one. Yeah, it was just branded and I actually... But it was an external exoskeleton kind of thing. I'm not sure if that's the right word. Is that... Is that the right word? What did it do? I feel like I'm doing the wrong one. But you strap it to your legs and your arms and stuff. And then it assists movement. Yeah. Is that exoskeleton? For some reason I think there's a different word for it. There's a word for it that's not exoskeleton. But I know what you're talking about. So is this for workers or for disabled people? This is for people that don't have proper movement in their legs. I have a cousin who has that problem. And she has one of these. That won't distract me. Oh, does she? Yeah, it's 3D printed. Interesting. So the person that they had there was a disabled veteran. And he was able to walk around with completely disabled legs on his feet. He had to support himself a little bit with crutches. His legs were completely disabled and he could walk. That doesn't make sense to me. He had no muscle control or just a little bit? I don't think he had any. How can you walk if you have no control at all over your legs? Because the... I think through hip motion, you would trigger the machine to move forward. So it's motorized? Yes, no, definitely. That's the whole idea. Because the one that my little cousin has, I think it's rubber bands. And you put bands on because she's missing a lot of muscles. So they're replacing them. Yeah, exactly. No, he was in a wheelchair most definitely. And they had to help him strap in and lift his legs and strap the leg in and all that kind of stuff. But then he could stand up. He had to use crutches because I believe... I was thinking about doing a video on it, but then I was just so far out of my league on this one that I didn't think it was a good idea. He was able to use crutches because he would lean forward. It was kind of like a segue but with legs. So if he leaned forward and put a little bit of weight on his crutches, his legs would start moving. And if he stopped leaning forward and stood up, the legs would stop moving. Oh, that's cool. It's a bipedal segue. Yeah, kind of. And I'm like, man, this is super cool. But I can't explain how it works or anything. Did we get video of it? No, no. Speaking of people being able to roll around, did you guys see the virtual presence booth today? I saw it. I can't remember. We walked past it. Yeah, I can't remember who it was. But they had this crazy demo of a sports mascot type character. And then they had a gigantic virtual presence device. Oh, yeah. No, I saw that. That basically what looks like crowd control from Dystopian Future device. Yeah. That was terrible. There were different sizes and there was the one massive one. It's like two stories tall. Yeah. So when we stopped by, that one was singing the hokey pokey. And they had like ten smaller ones. And they were putting their butt in and butt out. And they didn't have arms or legs. That giant one, though, was legitimately... It inspires fear. And it's hooked up to the speaker system, right? So it's like, and you do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around. You better do the hokey pokey. I'm sorry. I just remember for 30 seconds, what hokey pokey time? There was a giant robot. Were you there with that giant two story robot? Yeah, I was pretty sure I was. Yeah, exactly. We're just talking about that. It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. It's so creepy. That tops my all time CES list. Their booth was creepy enough because we were just standing in it. And they just had people remotely chucking around in the booth. The most awkward conversations ever. So these people just walk up to you and you just... Hi. Hi. Yeah. And then there's the big scary one that can crush you. Dude, seriously, that thing had to be at least 30 feet tall. But it seems to put like flamethrowers on it. And then there you go. Yep. We're done. We're done. That was just... Robot Overlords. Robot Overlords, yeah. So that was your favorite thing was the hand thing? That was the hand. Yeah, for sure. I just saw it and I'm like, ooh. I think my two favorite things, obviously I'm going to say... I picked two instead of one just because everyone knows it's going to be whatever badass virtual reality product is there. So this year, for me, it was Crescent Bay. Honestly, I was more excited for Zoologs. But Zoologs wasn't ready enough for it to be a better Zoologist. Zoologs was that one that has the spatial scanner and the two new stereo cameras. I was telling you it recreates the room and there's the... Oh, OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, no, it was Crescent Bay. And then other than that, that Origin laptop with the full desktop processor. Well, that's been done before. I know. Was it a lot thinner, though? It was a lot thinner because it was a lot lighter. It seemed more like it was very similar to this one in terms of size. So it seemed like I'd probably say that it was a little bit smaller than our Jay-Z's. Right. Not much, but a little bit. Now, one thing is it screams. Right. To keep the processor cool. So once you ramp up, it'll just start going nuts. Like absolutely nuts. What's up? They're complaining about the background noise again. We're getting complaints about background noise again. Yeah. I can't hear you. New York. We don't have a proper mic. Actually, we've only got about 10 minutes left. So if there's anyone who wants to jump in, anyone who hasn't been on yet, say for example, now's a good time. Yeah, maybe hang out somewhere else. What did you have in here? Oh, is he going to come? Are you going to talk about this? All right. We've got a tag. Yeah. Okay. No, is that it? I think you just tapped a guy on the shoulder realistically. I think we went a little bit too much. What's up here? So okay, so over here we're a little bit behind. This is the stream. This is what I need to know about. This is like if you're on a, yeah, watch that one. And so the camera's like way over there. I can't believe they let you touch it. No, they didn't let me. They have no, well at first they had no idea this was going to end up in my hands. It was John, right? He went on a reconnaissance mission. Good work, John. And you know, he's a bit of a smooth talker. And so he went in there and walked out with this baby. But immediately after they started to panic because they knew where this was going to end up. So can you read the front of it? In my hands. Can you read this box for me? Okay, for people who don't know what's going on, this was one of the few things that I wanted to see at CES and get my hands on. This is supposedly a bend-proof iPhone 6 Plus. Proof. Not resistant. Not resistant. You believe these guys? They're ridiculous. Defend against the bend. It is the trestle from Incipio. Now the thing is, and I want to be clear, this is a prototype. Apparently it will get even stronger. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to bend it. Do you have a phone here? Are we doing this? No, I don't have a 6 Plus. I'm going to hit up the Apple Store, Caesar's Palace after this. Guys, make sure you don't miss this. Okay, so yeah, we're going to try to break the internet again, but probably won't happen. Maybe for Incipio. Maybe we'll break Incipio. Could you bend the phone with your ass or something? Would that break the internet? That, I don't know. If you oil up a little bit. I don't know. It depends on the type of viewers we're looking for. If you can balance the champagne glass while you bend the phone. Yes, that would break the internet. Yeah, probably. If you get Kim Kardashian to bend an iPhone 6 with champagne on her butt, there you go. Well, I don't know. We're going to need some Photoshop skills though. Live up to the last image. But anyhow, yeah, so the concept here is that they have reinforced it with these rods, which are supposedly titanium or will eventually be titanium. I don't believe they are at this point. But basically, I mean, obviously I don't assume that this thing will ever be bend proof. What does that even mean, bend proof? Proof is an interesting thing. Like we did a video where we were trying to check the fire resistance on an ass. Yeah. And the whole time all the firemen were like, yeah, there's nothing that's really like fire proof. Exactly. It's all resistant because under a certain set of circumstances, you're going to mess anything up. And so I suppose in this particular case, they just went a little bit far on the branding and probably the retail box won't say bend proof anymore. That's something they're going to want to change. But the crazy part was when they didn't want to give it to me, it was like this phone wouldn't exist if it wasn't for my original video. I'm not saying that like to blow myself up. To be clear, the case, not the phone. Oh, did I say phone? The iPhone 6 Plus never would have happened if they didn't know I was going to be...no. Yeah, the case, it's like a result, a response to the hype from the video. So it seems kind of crazy. We wouldn't work together on how to do a piece of content around it. That's actually specifically what I thought when they said they wouldn't give it to you. I was like, why not even let them try the prototype? And if it doesn't work, just be like, we'll do better. Exactly. Whatever. Embrace it, have the conversation. But what I figured out here in these shows and on the show floor and stuff is it's like, you know, the people who are working in those booths, they got no clue. Right? Yeah. I mean, this makes or breaks a huge chunk of PR for this company. How much did they spend for that real estate? Right? You're still doing it though. No, I am still doing it. And maybe it'll make even more of a story because they tried to not let you do it. I don't think so. I wouldn't want the PR that I didn't want someone to test my product. That's true. Right. Especially someone as handsome as Lou. That's right. See? Because I do it big time, all the time. Oh, wow. You invited me here. I did. You invited me here. Did I invite you here? I don't know. Actually, I think I invited myself. I think I invited Austin here. Oh, Big John needs some credit. I gave you credit. Oh, no, I don't need credit. Oh, okay. No, but you blew my cover though. Did I? I was going to be like, oh my God, I handed it off. I didn't know what happened. Oh, I stole it from you. I stole it out of his bag. No, no, no. John, anybody who watched my last video leading up to it, you saw a little glimpse of us trying to get our hands on this on day, our first day on the show floor. And both Austin and John tried the first time and got shut down. I got shut down, then the two of them got shut down, and then final day, Big John making it happen. The worst part about it is she was so nice. I'm sorry, the first one was rude. She did the whole like... Truthfully, truthfully, I'm going to be very, very clear in the piece of content that I create about this, that it is a prototype, and that of course nothing is bend proof. I'm going to be clear about that. And truthfully, a little bit of extra rigidity can't be a bad thing. It might make it like very highly bend resistant. There you go. Enough that it's probably not a problem. There you go. And if that is the conclusion of my video, guess what's going to happen? They're going to sell a lot of these cases. So incipio, I love you, you should love me too. You should love me, but I'm going to abuse you. But you should love me after that. It's an abusive relationship. You're showing your love through the hurt that you give them. This conversation just took a turn. Did you see the Zen phone too? I did not. And I meant to also. I heard about it a lot, and I heard, oh, are these people too interested in it? But I never got to it. Oh, I would have loved to get your take on it. That is such a shame. OK. All right. I'm sure you'll see it. I'm sure you'll look at it eventually. Oh, probably, yeah. I'll probably have a video. OK. OK. Either way, if we want to not stay in Vegas. Right. Yeah. OK. We should probably. That was pretty fun, guys. So can we at least get everyone to kind of jump in, and we'll do a sign off? We get to stay in the suite after you guys leave, right? No, absolutely not. It's not mine. You got a chance. So awesome show. We got 7,000 people tuned in to see by far the biggest collab that we've ever had the pleasure of hosting. Wow. Look at this frame. So. Damn. Look at this. Somebody fill in over there. Can we get everyone in one frame? Yeah. We got room on that side. I'll move over. I'll move over. All right. So thank you guys so much for tuning in. We've had all the Linus Media Group guys here. We've got the TLD Today crew. We've got Austin. We've got Marcus. We've got Lou. We've got your average consumer. And this has been a ton of fun. And of course, the archive will be up later for those of you who missed it. I think that's pretty much all there is to it. Peace, guys. See you. Bye. Man show. Man show. I see your voice is like gone. I was trying to have ginger tea last night, but nobody was there. I'm going to go get some. I'm going to go get some. I'm going to go get some. I'm going to go get some. I'm going to go get some. I'm going to go get some. I'm going to go get some. I'm going to go get some. I'm going to go get some. I'm going to go get some. I'm going to go get some. Yeah, man show. That was the wind show. That was the wind show. It's still technically live. Yeah, it's not out there in the outro. I technically like doing outro roles, but nah.