 Hey, hey, and welcome to the Vergecast. Before the Vergecast started today, just before, I mean literally moments ago, I said we're in the studio here at Vox Media, the Vox Media empire in beautiful midtown Manhattan. I said, is there anything here I can wear? I think I might have specifically requested a vest. Did I request a vest? Could someone in the control room tell me? You did. You absolutely did. I specifically requested a vest. Why did I request a vest? Why did? Because vests are cool. Fancy. Yeah, we don't need no vests. Oh, we were talking about Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson. Yeah, cool. Thomas Jefferson had a cool vest. Great friend. I was like, man, I wish I had a vest right now. And I said, do we have any vests here? And like what's crazy is yes, we have a vest, and it is a woman's motorcycle vest with like ladies' motorcycle patches on it. Lady rider. This one says lady rider. This one says born to be wild here. I like the one on the bottom that says it ain't easy to be me. I don't know what lady owned this, but I think her and I have something in common. Definitely. Which is it's hard to be either one of us. It's not that normal for her though. But I do feel like I'm embodying some of her spirit right now. You know what's surprising about a leather vest? Comfortable? Well, it actually gets pretty warm in there. It's actually pretty toasty right here. Vests are confusing to me because it's like your body is burning hot, but then your extremities are freezing. Well, at least we saved his torso. What's the- It's all about the core though. You know, like people strengthen their core. No, I know. You got to get your core going. You got to keep it warmed up. I'm a little bit of a leader, but that felt uncouth. So I'm just going to make it an outside thing. As a new father- You have to keep that creamy core. Are we going to talk about this? As a new father, I learned actually that you want to feel the baby's core to get a sense of her temper. Like right in the solar plexus right here? Yeah. You want to get right in there. No, you want to feel the baby's core to get a sense of the baby's temperature. You can't really tell by the extremities. The baby has a vest like quality is what I'm saying. The core is important, but everything else is like a misleading. So as you can tell, Josh has a new addition. Yeah. I just bought a bunch of new edition records and I got to tell you, well worth the money. And by the way, vinyl, that sound, analog, sweet analog honey pouring into your mouth and ears. Yeah. I don't, we don't talk about this. Oh, first off, so Neely is sick. He is sick. I've been told Neely is very ill and not like in the cool funky way. He said he's sorry. He wanted to make it. He wanted to yell, rant, rave. He has no voice. He was mad about the internet. He contracted. He did. He did like the ultimate gave him. He did. I'm going to take this vest off in a second. Cause I keep, I keep seeing it in the camera and I'm like, this like gets pretty uncool. A leather vest. Yeah. Yeah. We can all wear the vest at least once. Okay. Okay. Um, but I have to say like a leather vest is like a pretty uncool overall. Oh, you're going to feel what does it say on the back? Yeah. Let's see. Oh, sorry. Love to love to ride. I mean, it's, is that a four 20 joke? Uh, no, I feel like love to ride as dual me. I'm not spoiled. I'm justly rewarded and I'm perfect. Just the way I am. What is this one? Life is good. This is pretty positive. Yeah. High maintenance. That's a four 20 joke. I tried on it. See how it feels. It's a large lady. I have to say like that. That's the wrong way. That's the wrong way. You can't do, don't be funny. I want to see you in the vest. You want to see me actually. All right. Hold on. Just get, just get it on. You made something. No, no, no, no, no. Okay. You made a child. Oh yeah. Whatever. No, no, yeah, whatever. I have a baby. Whatever. There's a baby. But, uh, what I was actually trying to say is, um, it's no iPhone. I don't know what this means. Billy just saw, just sent me a message. He said, we have a baby Photoshop clip from on the verge if we want it. Oh, is that the one where I made you a baby? Oh, from way back. That's right. We want it. We want it. Okay, fine. Whatever that is. Oh, look at my old me. Do we do this? Yes, we do. Wow. Why did I agree to this? Here's our first baby. Yeah, I, yes, this is a beautiful baby. Who wouldn't want to have this very uncomfortable child? Where were we thinking this? Of course. Uh, but what could this child's name be in the future? I'm thinking probably something like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Uh, maybe it could be, what about, like, I don't know, Zybord topolski. Yeah. That looks good. I don't understand this at all. Oh my God. I'm like, I gotta tell you that wasn't that long ago. Remember the Zybord? I have no idea what the joke was there. What was the point of that? It was 4G LTE optimist Epic Miller or something. We were making fun of device names. That was very good. Um, anyhow, great trip down. My baby does not look like that. Not yet, does not have the beard. My baby, first off my baby's a female. So if she had a beard, I'd be pretty. Okay. I'm sorry. I love, I can't believe you just dissed my daughter. Now that I'm a dad, I get real defensive about shit like that. How dare you, sir? Dude, the vest makes you a red dude. That's my daughter you're talking about. Life is good, man. LG. LG, life's good. All right. Anyhow, so Neelai wrote this piece this week. That's called Changing Gears, by the way. Right. Neelai wrote this piece, the ultimate... To me, it's like the ultimate Neelai... This is his ultimate rant. Right. He just gets right to it in the headline. Are we allowed to say this? Are we allowed to say this? The Internet is fucked is the name of the piece. This was the first headline before he wrote anything else. We're just gonna do a piece called The Internet is Fucked. There's definitely a conversation... Just so you know, we received at least 500 emails from people who can't deal with the F word. It was definitely a conver... Whatever. That's their problem. That's a you problem, not a me problem. They're totally fine with the government just fucking them. Yeah. They're like, I... Fucking is an action. They're like, I agree with your piece. We're in terrible shape, but I really take issue with the use of the word fuck. They're like, this is why I petition for more censorship. Anyhow, I don't know. That's... Interestingly, it's exactly why the FCC is so fucked up. Right. Because they care more about Janet Jackson's nipple and people saying naughty things on television than... Well, we also gave you reports. We had this thing where we said, if you want to unfuck the Internet, call this number. I think we had this image at some point. If you wanted... There it is. If you want to unfuck the Internet, call this number. But people who were calling it, we heard the FCC was saying they have no control over regulating the Internet, which seems counter to what the courtroom was. This is like when you call... This is exactly like when you call Verizon. Yeah. And you're like, can I... You're like, are you guys going to get the new LG Optimus, whatever? And they're like, yes, we have that in stock. And you're like, but it's not even released yet. And they're like, we can order that for you right now. And then we get emails from people who have those conversations. They're like, a rep told me that they've got the new phone in stock right now. Or just some weird bad information that doesn't make any sense because they don't have the right stuff to tell you. That was a bad example. Okay? It's like when you're like, hey, can I upgrade my phone for free? And they're like, definitely. And then you do it and they send you a bill for $300. It's like when you call our government and say, I want to have my voice heard because it's democracy. And they're like, no, that's cool. They're like, this is actually is not a democracy. No. Press zero for movie time. Please stop calling. You can't do that. Movie phone's out of business. It's been 25 years. But anyhow, everybody should read this piece. In all seriousness, we're having a good time here and having a laugh. And we're allowed to do that because the internet is currently relatively open at this moment. But in the future that is quickly rushing up to meet us, and the future and the ongoing politics and stuff that Neelai outlines here, we are in really a bad spot. And if we don't have some serious regulation from our government that makes it clear that the internet is a utility that everybody needs to have free and open access to, businesses like ours probably can't exist down the road. And that may sound reactionary or paranoid, but I think that you get into a situation where when the Netflixes of the world have to cut side deals to get their content across the stuff that you already pay for, it starts to suggest a lot of crazy, very bad situations that are coming down the road. YouTube would never have happened in this kind of this world. You can't be a small player and be competing with big players. The beauty of the internet is small players can compete with big players all the time because they're on even ground. And you take away the even ground, small businesses, medium sized businesses, all sorts of businesses are at risk. And the consumer and the people who actually need to utilize this as a utility are going to be, we're putting up barriers to information and barriers to content and to the things that they need. And I think that it's being done in a way that is completely unregulated, completely, everybody's just kind of flying by the seat of their pants. And the FCC doesn't seem to have, they don't seem to have a legitimate, first of all, they don't seem to have legitimate power here. And they don't seem to have any real interest in actually saying we have a ruling on what net neutrality is. We have an opinion on it. We have a way to get there. No one there is really saying it. And it's scary. And if you read New York's Peace, you should be scared and angry. Yeah, I mean, the FCC definitely does have the authority to do it. They don't have the backbone. They might technically have the authority, but they don't seem to be willing to utilize it. No, they're afraid. Yeah. And this is all like, at the end of the day, just like everything in this country when it's really getting screwed up and it sucks, it is corporate interests being favored over the interests of the people. And we got to stop it. So I suggest violent revolution right now. Take to the streets with weapons of any, of whatever type you want, and show those guys who's boss. You know, it should be a pretty uncontroversial point too. It's not like people who want free internet are saying corporations are all evil, they should never make any money, you know, anything like that. It's just that somehow we've allowed two or three companies to basically dominate the entire internet. Yeah. And it's like, imagine if Comcast owned most of the highways in the country and didn't let you like- That's probably next. They were like, oh, you want to go to Nebraska? It's like, no. Hey us, hey us. Wait, wait, wait. Highways are not a public utility. You can walk on the grass. They're definitely a public utility. They're an interstate highway system. That's the argument you're making. It's a great analogy. It's a great analogy. Why don't you let them stop in there? Why don't you let them try it on? I'm getting a little hot. This vest would never have existed if not for the interstate highway system. That's true. You could, well, you certainly couldn't get on your hog. That allows Roughriders to stop, drop, and open up shop anywhere they please. Oh no. Is it me now? You didn't. Is it me now? Wait a second. Now, I can't wear double. Yes, you can. No rules. There's no rules here. For now, there's no rules. Yeah, this is non-core. I don't know that the stop, drop, and open up shop. How are startups going to stop, drop, and start up shop? Are those the actual lyrics? Yes. I don't think that's actually covered by the openness of the highways. I just want you to know that. You got to get permits and stuff to open up a shop. That's really good. In fact, you can't just put whatever you want along the highway. You heard it here first. You can't just open up a shop. Josh DePulsky says you can't. You can't on the highway. You see there's designated rest areas. So you can't just stop and drop either. No, you can't stop. You can stop and drop at the designated area. You can't open up shop. Here's what the internet is going to be like the New Jersey Turnpike. Did we just get the Ruff Ryders? What's going on here? Oh, yes. By the way, I just want to say earlier TC was like, could we just play Axel F for the opening music? And Ross was like, we don't have the rights. But we do have the rights for that, no problem. Well, video rights and audio rights are much, anyway. Are they? Not on the open internet. Everything is free. It looks good on you. I wasn't even hot in this jacket. That looks really good on you. I'm going to say it fits really well. How was that tweet? By the way, I have to say, since so far I think I've successfully derailed every topic we've tried to have. What was that tweet that was on screen? Was there a vest tweet on screen? Oh, with a... I thought I saw one. I'm not in control of what goes up on that screen. I'm not either. This is kind of bad. There we go. Cable time. Yes, yes, yes. We can all wear the vest. Is that supposed to rhyme? I don't know. I'm just going to assume it. I don't know what that means. Is this a thing now? The vest across America? Is it the plan that Raheem demands? I'm looking at this image of these three Mac books here. There are some mad people. Just see, there are people right now writing an email or forum post or comment about the Verge guys using Macs. Oh yes, of course. How dare you? So, will I have a gaming PC at home? And so does Josh. I built a killer gaming PC. Yeah, Josh did. Which I never turn on because... I never turn it on anymore because there's so many updates every time I turn it on that I'm like, I'm just going to leave this. Someone's calling me. How do you play DayZ then? So first off, I don't play games that require me to have a keyboard. That's number one. I'm not sitting in front of my large television with a keyboard on my lap in some kind of like track ball situation. Noob. Who uses a track ball? You have the fucking... You have the headset and the track ball. Even the nerdiest... You have one of those split keyboards. Even the nerdiest of nerdy PC gamers. Use the keyboard that's like one of these guys right here. Make fun of track ball players. Track ball. Track ball. This guy right here. Track ball is nasty. I think it's because it's all gunked up. I'm a mouse man myself. No, I mean, when it comes to operating... I actually used to be a mouse man. Now I'm just like, I guess I'll use the track pad, but not for gaming. That's for bozos. I use one of those old joysticks you get like you're ever into the old PCs, how to cut like two buttons. That actually really makes me feel nostalgic because I had like 10 of those when I was like younger. I was like a loser nerd and I had some horrible joysticks that I hooked up to my XT. You know what? Anyhow, moving on. Yeah. So yeah, read any last piece. The internet is fucked. And I'm sure... Exactly. Yes, this. Oh my God. I think I actually own this. I think I actually have this joystick or had it at some point. I missed this for the Gravis game pad. So depressing to me. I can actually, there's like in place my mind goes to that's like a very lonely kid and it makes me so sad. It just makes me so sad. Oh, do you guys want to call that FCC number live? Yeah. Yeah, I just do. You want to call them? Ask what's up. I have a feeling this is going to get really boring really fast. I think so too. It's going to be like, they're going to put you on hold and then they're going to actually, here's what's going to happen. You're going to say, I'd like to file a complaint. I'm worried about this. I'm like, of course, like, you know, tell us what your problem is and it's going to be super boring and straightforward. We could do, what if we, what if we recreated what it might be like when you call them and they don't want to take your complaint? Could we get a phone ringing sound? Yeah. Somebody picking it up. Okay. Hello FCC. How can I help you? Hello? Yes. This is the FCC. How may I help you? My grandson told me the internet is fucked. I'm sorry, ma'am. I don't understand what you're saying. How do you, why are you in a character? I don't understand. I don't play grandma. Why aren't you just TC then? Because I don't use the phone personally. How are you going to use? I never call them. You're going to be in big trouble once TomCat shuts down the internet. That's true. Okay. Moving on. This is such a great, I think this is one of our best shows ever. I feel already. It's good to have you back. It's good to be back. Yes. Although I am losing my voice. So this will be it for me. Okay. You want to talk about Samsung? Let's talk about a little bit. Yeah. Call me crazy. I like this. I like the looks of this gear fit. No, I think it's great. It's cool looking. Vlad had a great editorial. The gear fit is what wearable should look like. And I agree completely. The question of course is how it works. Yes. And like battery life and like is it functional? Anything can look sexy. Of course. But is it functional? It's functional. Right? Am I right? It looks nice. I mean it tells the time, has notifications and you can read it. I just already feel like I can't be asked to use my smartphone anyway. So I don't know if I want it on my wrist also. Look, I would love to be getting more information down here. But I'd like to do it in a way that isn't gross and lame. So I'm just going to get you a glass, bro. No, can I tell you something though? Can I have to say two things that have occurred to me that are very vivid as a father now with a baby that needs to be fed with like a bottle and stuff. I'm taking videos with glass. Photo taking. Oh man. When you do not have your hands free, seriously a problem and doing things with the television. Like I think I now understand why people are like voice control. I think I now get it. It's for people with kids. It's for people with babies who are like, I'm doing this with the baby and like I can't turn the TV on and I'm bored. Here's the question though. Because guess what? Babies, not really very interesting. They don't do very much. Just a thing that a baby does that's impressive makes eye contact with you. Like that's a big deal. The baby made eye contact with me. I mean dogs do that like day one. You know, you're like the baby is looking at me, mission accomplished. You know, like babies really, they really are. It turns out they take, it takes a while to really be able to do anything of use. So question though, what if, what if your baby's words, first words ended up being like okay glass or like Xbox on. That's scary. I keep imagining what would happen. This is an artist rendering of the Tupolsky family. I don't know what this is. Babies are all kind of similar looking. I keep imagining the horrific scenario where the baby, it's like, you know, three weeks old where she says something at three weeks. Can you imagine just a little baby suddenly speaking to you? A newborn, a newborn speaking to you. But like it just starts from like, hello Josh. Maybe not that, but maybe it just is like, you know, chair or whatever. Where did you, how are you doing that? I don't think it's, yeah, hairy. I don't think it's possible. But anyhow, it's scary. I wake up in the middle of the night. There I am right there. I wake up in the middle of the night, sheets soaked with my sweat and frightened that the baby will say a word to me. Hey, like, Hey, what is that? Who is that? It's the baby talking. Look who's talking now. I haven't had a lot of sleep. The Gear Fit, it seems pretty cool. I might just get across right into your beer. I'm just saying. Can we just track zero to baby anytime? What's the price point of the Gear Fit? Do we know? What's the number? Too much. Whatever it is. I'd say like 99 bucks. I have to say, this is cool. This is actually cool. Here's what I don't like about it. It seems a little high, like a little thick. It would be really cool if you could put like a NATO strap on that. Like what's on my watch right now is called a NATO strap. Right. But that would make it much wider I assume. Cause this is, looks like a, well maybe, but it would have, but you can do, I mean maybe though. No, no, no. I mean, I mean, I mean this seems like high, tall. Right. You know what I mean? I think this is cool. Can you change the desktop on it? The back, I mean the background. There's no price. There's no price yet. What did you say? What do you mean the wrong direction? For those who can't hear. Oh sorry. John is speaking to me in our, in my, in my earpiece. He said, isn't it the wrong direction? And I don't know what he means, but you mean it should be up and down instead of a cross? Don't know what that means. He said it should be perpendicular to your wrist. Oh, they have different bands. Right. Cause right now. Oh, so you can change the band. Yeah. Okay. So is that fit or is that the other gear? Cause there's three gears that came out this way. Right. I don't think, is this the gear? Is the gear fit? Fit gear? Does anybody know? Those are really ugly. I will say every one of those bands. No, this is the gear, regular gear. Those bands are disgusting. The bands they just showed were sickening. Yeah. I mean, I get that. Like I like the idea of having horizontal versus square. I like all of those. Cutting back to all of us staring off. It's really what this vest looks like. It's cool. You look like it. It's so hot man. Daughter of anarchy. Daughter of anarchy. My kids are so hot. My kids are so hot. My kids are so hot man. My core is like molten slag. Lady of anarchy. Here you go. I'm not wearing it now. Josh, your turn. How dope would it be to be in sons of anarchy though? I'm good. We should all get sons of anarchy vests. I'm just going to put this right here on this table. So, you know, what's interesting about the new gears, and this goes for the gear fit as well, they've taken Android off of them. They're now using Tizen, which is their custom like Java. What is it? It's like a Java. It's like a runtime situation. I don't know what the hell it is. I'm just saying words. Again, I haven't slept a lot. But it's not Android. No, the switch to Tizen, although it still works fully well with Android. So, like for most consumers, it's not going to be a big deal. For developers, I guess, they're going to have to tweak. If you had a gear one app, it's not going to work natively. So, I mean, I still take issue with the fact that they're making these square. And I kind of wish they would just try to make a round one. Okay, you want round. Well, that's better because that feels like a little bit more of a shape that is not, you're not just trying to replicate a watch. I would rather have it be replicate a watch I want to wear, like a circular watch with a nice like casing. Or do something that is not like a watch. So, what John was saying or in your ear was like, if you're looking at it sideways, it's like this. So, like you're reading like this and you're swiping. It just doesn't feel natural, especially if you're doing this. Right. So, that's the concern. Yeah, looking at it right there. Great anecdote. I'm just. So, maybe somebody just tweeted at me and said that the employees of the Verge shouldn't be able to say dope. Did I say dope? Did you? I probably said dope. I think I might have said dope. You lived in Baltimore for a long time. Was I wearing the vest though? I think I was wearing the vest. Are you from Baltimore? No, I just lived there for a little while. Yeah, I mean, that's the right way you picked that up. I picked it up from you. That's dope. That's dope. What else? So, the Morrill Congress happened. It did. It's over now. Like, some interesting situations. I mean, it was more exciting than we thought it was going to be. Nokia X, Nokia's making an Android phone. A cheap Android phone. A bad Android phone. Yes. Which is like cool for Microsoft, I think. They're like, we're buying Nokia. Nokia's like, we're making Android phones. But it does go with the. It's like the worst idea that anybody's ever had. It's like a skin of Android to make it look like Windows phone. Yeah. But also. It's like a Windows phone. Yeah. And no one's going to care. On worse phones. But it does have Skype. And it does have Microsoft Office. That's what I care about. When has Skype ever been a selling point? Wait, it has Office? I think it has Office. For Android? No, no, no. Maybe. Well, what would it be? I have no idea. It's an Android phone. It's an Android phone. I rest my case. They're trying to put Microsoft on the sweet spot. Get out. And then, so what else? Oh, Galaxy S5. Yes. Which is. The Galaxy S4, but waterproof. Which is just like the Galaxy S4, but with a different back. With a different number and the name. Yeah. I mean. It's got some other stuff. I don't know. It's weatherproof. It's like you could put it in the shower. See, to me, I think that's great. I mean, I've been using this Sony Z1, and it's waterproof. And I don't take it in the shower because I'm not a fool. But you can. But what I can do is I don't worry about it in the rain or the snow or whatever. That's the nice thing. Or if you drop it, or you put it down on the table and there's some water there. You're not like, oh my god. Right. I think it's actually a really nice looking phone. I mean, the front looks kind of classy. I think it's okay. The touch is nice. I mean, it's whatever. It's a Samsung Android phone. Yeah. And this is what the... Okay, this is Samsung. I think we know that Samsung isn't really known for their hardware design. Given the fact that they have to keep copying it off of other people. Right. Like, they're not known for... And they're also not known for their software design. They're known for being able to ship high numbers. And market the shit out of it. And market the hell out of them. Yeah. And like, fine. So be it. That's their thing. You want a nice looking device? You want to buy one of those new Nokia Android phones. Right. JK. Sony's phones are much nicer looking. And Sony did just announce at Mobile Congress the Xperia Z2. Yeah, so that's the new version of my phone. With a nicer display. So here's the thing. It has a nicer display. People are saying that it is not any larger than my phone. Is that correct? I've had both... Chris and Dieter have both said... Is that it right there? Hold it up. Yeah. So it's a... Pretty big. It's a 5.2 inch screen. This is, I think, just a 5. But they're saying less bezel. At any rate, this thing's huge and that's one of my major gripes. The hugeness of it... It's pretty light though, right? No, it's very heavy. Really? Very heavy. This isn't heavy. Comparatively to... What are you comparing it to? It's heavier than that phone. Yeah, I guess it is. Yeah. It's glass and metal, baby. But it does feel nice. I mean, it's a nice phone. Fingerprints all over the place. Well, it's made of glass. Remember the old iPhones? That's what this is like. Except way bigger. And also not an iPhone. Yeah. It's a little bit heavier. It's a little bit heavier. And also not an iPhone. Anyhow, so the Z2. Yeah, I mean, all in all, it's not a really... I mean, I think the Gear Fit was probably the most interesting. And also the most surprising because we knew they were going to do a Galaxy smartwatch coming and we kind of figured new cell phones that are iterative. But the Fit was something different at least. Yeah. You're damn right. They definitely learned their lesson not making another $400 smartwatch. Well they did. Off the bat. There is one. They did. It's not the only smartwatch you can buy from them. That's true. And I imagine it's probably like $400 for the Gear 2, $300 for the one without the camera, then like $2, $250 for this Fit? What? No, the Fit's going to be way more expensive. You think so? Yeah. It's got like a crazy custom weird little screen and it's, you know, yeah, that's going to be more expensive. No way. Why wouldn't it be? You don't think? Because their marketing is like a fitness thing. You can't sell a $300 fitness device. But it also functions as a watch, right? Yeah. Yes, it does tell time. It does the notifications. Why are you shaking your head? Because it's less capable. How much does a watch cost? Like that's not a, you can't be like, Oh, it's also a watch. So it's like $500. Well, I mean, it depends on the watch. I mean, does it have all the, does it have all the features of the Gear? I guess there's no camera, no heart. Is there a heart rate sensor on it? There is. Yes. I wish I had just read a little bit of, I mean, again, I've been busy. This is another thing, by the way, you can't do is like reach for your laptop when you're holding a baby. Can't do it. And I've been trying some pretty like funky moves, you know, it's like holding a bottle with my head, you know, maybe one arm holding the bottle in place or reaching for something, like doing one of those fathers out there. Well, no, what I'm talking about. I've learned a lot. I'm much more mature now. It's incredible. All right. You want to talk about Google? Let's talk about Google. Cause there's two projects. Google in the news. Sean Hollister wrote a great piece for us. Fantastic, fantastic, very thoroughly research and interesting piece about basically how Google is buying up Mountain View and turning it into Google town. And it's pretty like, there's a, this is a Google map in there. If you go farther down the space and it shows the it's insane. Yeah, it's crazy. This is what was once a regular community. And like now the owls are missing legs. Look at this. This is crazy. And like, you know, Apple is also building a new headquarters over here. There's like the spaceship and no one's complaining because you've got this basically this new neighborhood, this new city right here. Yeah. And so, you know, I think it's an interesting story about corporate interests in a relatively small town. You know, I think there's a, there are a lot of people, I mean, I think there's definitely some commenters and people who are like, this is great. This is actually really good. They're doing really cool things. But it does raise questions about you know, there, how much, I think you have to ask like, how much of a town should Google be able to own? Well, so they, they constantly, the reading Sean's piece, which is fabulous. They keep talking about like Google is trying to propose housing, like they really want to build a residential zone, make it fully contained. Yeah. Which is a lot like, what is this like the prisoner? The is this like law is like lost. Actually, when you think about it, imagine Mountain View is an island in the middle of the Pacific ocean where a magnetic force is drawing down planes and ultimately, um, spoiler alert, everybody's dead. Um, hope I didn't really lost for you. Not so good. All time worst endings of any show ever in the history of television. It's like five years from now, Eric Schmidt and a beard just scream, we have to go back. That's exactly what's going on. And Schmidt is with some like, I don't know, he's with some characters, some lovely ladies and a futurist, some singularity people. Ray Kurzweil is just like, he's the Desmond. He loads up, they load up with, uh, who's flying the plane? Paul Allen. Well, Sergey Brin, Sergey Brin's jumping out of the plane. Paul Allen's like, I'll get you there. Is it Paul Allen that did with all the planes? Uh, I don't know, Sergey Brin jumped out of the planes. No, yeah, of course he'll jump out of the plane. I just feel like Paul Allen knows everything. So am I crazy? Does he have, is he a plane guy? Somebody tell me, somebody tweeted me. All I know about Paul is he knows he owns like a ton of guitars. I don't know. Nobody gives Larry Ellison enough credit that dude owns an island. Like Google, like Google, Larry Page is up there like with his voice box saying like, we need to create an island where there are no laws. Right. Right. And people can do whatever they want. Larry Ellison owns that island. I'm not even talking about John Musk. It's a Charles Whittemore. Yeah, but Ellison, but Ellison hates hates those guys. He's like a jobs bro. Yeah. Mm hmm. So you got a problem there. How are you going to get the Google guys to Ellis, Ellis and, to Ellis Island? Invasion. Ellis invasion of Ellis Island all of these are movies I would watch. Self driving Google. This is Paul Allen. Are we looking at Paul Allen? Yes. Oh, right here. He's like, I'll take you. He's like the Jeff Fahey. What? Are you Lapidus? Frank Lapidus, played by Jeff Fahey. Frank Lapidus, as portrayed by the actor Jeff Fahey, star of The Lawnmower Man, a great film if you haven't seen it. What? No. He plays The Lawnmower Man. Oh, I had no idea. Pierce Brosnan, also a star of The Lawnmower Man. Wow. Please check it out if you really want to see some awesome 90s sci-fi that will rock you to your very core. Can we get a scene from The Lawnmower Man up on the view screen here? I'll give you guys a moment. I'm surprised you haven't been able to move quickly on this one. But please do. Some of the special effects of The Lawnmower Man. You get those Alfred shortcuts. The Lawnmower Man comes at a time, like in special effects, when people just discovered 3D and there was like a lot of video toaster, 3D stuff happening. I mean, it's not video toaster. This is like obviously rendered on some SGIs or whatever. But like, The Lawnmower Man graphics are really, really superb. Is this The Lawnmower Man? Is that Jeff Fahey? Is that Pierce Brosnan? It looks like Fahey's hair. He's had the same haircut. That's Brosnan. Look at the head of hair on him. Oh my God. Look at this guy's hair. It's this beautiful feather. Everybody in this movie looks like the villain from Die Hard. Correct me if I'm wrong. Lawnmower Man released in 1990. Hold on. 1993 is what I want to say. Oh, so close. You got to get to the graphics, guys. You found the one scene that didn't have any graphics. I don't know how you do that. Is there a lawnmower? Yes. Is it like a CG lawnmower? Oh, here we go. Yeah, here we go. Jeff Fahey, he is literally a lawnmower operator. He's like kind of a mentally impaired lawnmower. Let me tell you this is not- Wait, wait. So he's like cutting grass kind of lawnmower. I know some weird science fiction. He's a guy who cuts, I believe he cuts Pierce Brosnan's grass and he's like impaired in some way. Oh, here we go. Here we go. He's impaired in some way mentally like he's not very smart. Yes. So wait, this is like a horror version of Flowers for Alden, huh? This is VR. He's in VR right now. Do you understand what's going on? The thing is like that's what VR actually is. The 90s VR is actually way more advanced than right now. And anyhow, so I think Pierce Brosnan starts experimenting on him to see if he can make him smarter with these like cool cyber programs that shoot information into his virtual reality. Like, yes. Oh my God. Actually, this looks kind of amazing. Like it's like a C-Punk video, but it's just like, oh look, he's putting information into his brain right now by hand. That's how it works. He's not a fly helicopter. It is like the matrix. And then, you know, of course the experiment spirals wildly out of- Who is the guy in the suit that's ominously walking slowly towards him? I'm going to say his name is, who is this guy? I don't know who this guy is, but he's going to- Those look like it. I think what he discovers in this scene is that Pierce Brosnan is abusing his laboratory. And he's like, you can't do this anymore. And then he takes them to his basement and does some more experiments. That's what laboratories are for. Just like ramping abuse. Why do they exist if they don't make a green goblin? I mean, we could all have an island, sure. What's the point of having an island if it hurts on that island? Of course, there would be a place like this on the island. Yeah, the laboratories on islands are the worst. What's the point of having a laboratory if you're not going to create a green goblin? I think that's just a rule for life. Oh, did you see the pictures of the green goblin? The new ones. What? No. Are they on the verge? No, it was like a week ago. I don't know if we hit it. Well, were they on the verge a week ago, I guess? I don't know. That's the only thing I read. That's the only thing I read. If it's not on the verge, it didn't happen. No, but the new one is- The Jaguar. If it's not on the verge, it just didn't happen. That's right. And no matter how much you tell us. Yeah. Are you going to show it to me? I'm trying to find it. Where are the green goblin pics? I'm looking for it. Is it Dane DeHaan? It is Dane DeHaan. Dane DeHaan is like, sorry, Dane, your face makes you evil and everything. From now on, you're like the new Willem Dafoe. You're just going to play a bad guy no matter what you're in. Here we go. Even when you're a good guy, people are going to hate you. I'm going to drop it in the dock right here. I like Dane DeHaan. Don't get me wrong. He's a talented actor. Yeah, yeah. He's in Chronicle, right? He is. Great film. I think very underrated. You didn't like it? I don't know. F off. Get out of here. If you don't think it's dope, I'm not interested. We're about to bring it up, but here's the- Wow. Dane DeHaan looks totally messed up. Yeah. Can we zoom in on Dane DeHaan's face? I mean, we're pretty close to it. I can't really see it. Enhance. Just enhance. Enhance, quadrant 24, 17. And if we can't enhance on the verge- Wow, great. That's not going to face. That's not Dane DeHaan. That's a gear. It's not exactly going to face. This is really, really not good. Nope. I can see his hair. There you go. This is just like the lawnmower man. This is just like Jeff Fahey in the lawnmower man. Not a little bit to the right. Wow. Up, up, up. Okay. Go to the right. No, no. There you go. He looks messed up. He got some bad acid or something. It's like some Goblin serum or something. Yeah. Well, I mean, he has a lot. I think he has access to a laboratory. Crocodile. It's crocodile. But there isn't, isn't, oh no, that was in one of the old Spider-Man movies. Who's the- Has there ever been a Spider-Man movie that was terrible? Is it the crocodiles? The lizard? The lizard. Yeah, yeah. Again- I feel like they just keep making the exact same Spider-Man movie over and over again. Yes. I just have to say, if you tuned into this, expecting to hear, what is this? Come on. If you tuned into this Verge cast expecting to be entertained, I think you're getting your money's worth. But educated. Of course, this is free. It's free to watch. So I think you're definitely getting your money's worth. Bang for your buck. At the store in my neighborhood, by the way, bang for your buck. Your time isn't valuable. It's free. I'm losing my voice. Okay. Next topic. You want to go? You want to bail? Are you trying to get Josh out of here? Are you trying to fight? Hey guys, bail? You know what this is what the people are here for. Project Tango. Project Tango. Wasn't there like a Windows Microsoft thing named Tango 2? Project Tango is... Why is Tango so popular? Speaking of Microsoft, Project Tango is like a smartphone that can map a room, like connect basically. Yes. Which is kind of a crazy idea. It is very scary. Do we have that scene from Dark Knight? Play it. Oh, it is. Why isn't it ready yet? It is the exact... The end of the Dark Knight with the sonar. Yeah, it's everybody's got... They attract the cell phone in your pocket and it like... Spoiler alert. Please. The end of the Dark Knight. The Dark Knight uses a Lawn Mower Man like device. Yeah. What do you say goggles? It is like actually there are some similarities to what we just saw in Lawn Mower Man. Here it is. There we go. All right. Here it is everybody. This real invention. Please allow full screen so we stop seeing this. This is exclusive from Google's campus, Project Tango. What kills me so much about this is whoever the writer... Was it Goyer? Is he the writer? Yeah, David Goyer. He's like, I don't know. I don't have a solution to make this end part work. I just don't know what to do. What if I just made up a thing where he adds sonar like a bat. But that's classic Batman. It's like, all right, we need a gadget. Just put bat on the front of it. We're fine. Bat grappling hook. Bat cave. They don't call it bat something, do they? They don't name it. They don't name it. We know it's bat sonar though. It's like bat global surveillance system. Hey, it's just a Project Tango. Project... Bat prism. Yes. That position exists. To all the listeners out there, I do apologize. What we really need is a Bat Snowden to blow the lid off. It was Dick Grayson the whole time. First name Bat, last name Snowden. Project Tango is a smartphone that can map a room and presumably... What's the range on this? Do we know? I think someone does. I see you're looking it up. Super ugly. This is from the mind of... This is being led by Johnny Chung Lee. If you don't know that name, you do remember a few years back, he did these Wii Remote head tracking things? Yeah. That's him. This guy, if you actually... If you don't, haven't seen this, it was really cool. He did this kind of DIY motion tracking on the Wii where using the sensors, you could wear these glasses and when you moved, the perspective would move. And now, I guess with the Kinect, I don't know if there's games that do that. Not really yet. Not so much. It was really trippy when... It's just an extremely bizarre, weird effect. And at some point, he did... This is what he's working on now. At some point, he did go to Microsoft. I don't remember when and I don't know when he left, but then he quietly went to Google and now this is his thing. He's part of ATAP, which is doing both Project Tango and apparently Project Aura is under the ATAP umbrella. Yeah. And Aura is the modular phone project. Yes. Which was started at Motorola and now is one of the things... Oh, here it is. Here's the original project. How cool is this? This is awesome. Now, this may seem quaint by today's standards, but a few years ago, this was like what, five years ago, maybe? This was mind blowing. It's like 08 or 09. And it is kind of still mind blowing. I mean, this video basically gave this guy a career and created Project Tango. Yeah, it's true. It's weird. Power of the open internet. Yeah. Think he would have been able to put that video on the internet if Comcast and Time Warner Cable were controlling how much bandwidth was used for uploading videos. It got too popular. Yeah, they couldn't afford to it, so no one saw it. Exactly. And now he's a drug addict. So the evil corporations. Are you happy? This is the evil corporations, man. Corporations. Yeah. It's corporations. Are you happy? You turned him into a drug addict, Time Warner Cable. Soon to be Comcast. In an alternate reality. This is a really weird cyberpunk novel. This all sounds good to me. It's kind of like something from The Lawnmower Man. It actually reminds me of the plot of The Lawnmower Man 2. Actually I don't know what the plot of The Lawnmower Man is. I have a lot to watch tonight, I guess. What is the plot of The Lawnmower Man 2? I'm sure the open internet can tell us. So here's the thing. Can we do a slow zoom on the Time Warner Cable logo? Just it's really creepy. I just want to point that out. Guys, that's Comcast. What are you doing? It's like the Eye of Horus. Slow zoom going right into the Time Warner Cable. Where is it? It's just the spiral from True Detective. Don't spoil. I haven't seen it. Okay, well there's a spiral in it. Does that show up? God damn it. What is this? Trailer for The Lawnmower Man 2? Oh yeah, he's in it. Oh right. Wait, it's a wheelchair? Is that fruit? Yeah, Beyond Cyber says Matt Fruer is in it. Can I just say that the original Lawnmower Man is kind of an amazing movie and I think it, wow. I really think you should watch it. I've never seen The Lawnmower Man 2. Wow. That was definitely an Oculus Rift set. Some of these graphics are from The Lawnmower Man 1. I just want you to know that. What is going on? Dude, that hat. I feel like Matt Fruer must've been bummed. They're like, hey, we want you to be kind of like a Max Hedren character. And he's like, can I please stop being typecast as a Max Hedren character? Can I just have a career that is not Max Hedren? They're like, no. You're a cyber guy now. Get out of my face. Anyhow. Okay. So here's what's interesting about all these Google projects. Not the city, I've been buying up a city, but ARA and Tango, first off, both horrible code names that need to be changed into something more interesting. Like Connect. What was the Connect code name? It was like- Oh, Projects. Newbie Project Naboo. Natal. Project Natal. That's right. When Kudo Tsunoda went on stage, it's Natal. Remember Kudo Tsunoda? Where were we having that guy? He called it like Project Placenta. Where were we having Kudo? I think he's still at Microsoft. I think he's still working on it. Another guy. By the way, we had him on On the Verge. He was a really cool guy. Really nice. I think we had him on one of the times we had Fallon on. Fallon. Fallon. Fallon. Fallon. Fallon. I was with Fallon on. They're very much in the Google X sort of vein. They are, they are. But the thing about Project R that's interesting is there is a release date for it now, according to that timepiece. Early next year, maybe $50 for the base model. Of course, you can upgrade piece by piece. Yeah, I'm super into it. Yeah, I think it's awesome. I think it sounds amazing. I don't buy that it's gonna work effectively. I see people there, like my radio fell off my phone. And now I can't do anything. I feel like people are really smart. No way it's gonna look that sexy. Yeah, really smart people have done a lot of work to make phones small. To make a small phone with all the... And now we're like, well, what if we just put everything in a big box? I was watching a Lego movie, and we're like, how are we gonna just do it? That's the question. Am I considering it's gonna be able to slide on a really felt awesome screen to this thing? Oh, I want a higher resolution screen, or I want one with a triangle or something. Is that gonna be, or is it gonna be the phone's this thick? And there's a wire dangling off of it. They're saying... It's gonna be the size of a gaming PC. They're saying less than two millimeters. It's gonna be a gaming PC. Hello? That's me answering a gaming PC. Just imagine there's a huge box. There's a box here like so. And Ken, I'm like, hello? I'm sorry, I'm getting a bunch of updates. I have to call you back. The fan is gonna be so loud that you're not gonna hear anything. This will be done updating in four or five hours. So I can't talk to you. We're playing the games I wanted to play. So bye, and then I'd throw it into the garbage. So in all fairness, they are claiming within six to 10 millimeters, which is not bad. It's like six and 10 millimeters thick. Like it's pretty thin. Sure, if you say so. We'll see, we'll see. Can I see six to 10 millimeters on screen right now? Just enhance it over and over. If you were smart, you'd show the movie poster for the film eight millimeter, but you're not gonna do that. It's that big. It's right between six and 10 millimeters. God damn it. All right, zoom in, enhance. Like people don't wanna see how the sausage is made, John. What are you doing? Never show a Google image search result again. Yeah, seriously. Or you're fired. This is the exact size based on your display. You need to switch after you've found your image, okay? Amateur hour in there. It's JV. All right, let's talk about some other things, and culture. And culture, so actually. This is the least informative, one of the least informative shows. Oh, I don't know about that. No, no, we're really lacking in information. I really, you know, I know there's probably a viewer out there, a listener out there. They're like, I can't wait to hear the news about tech today. Don't they know how to read? Let me hear. Can't they read? This week in tech. I can't wait to hear about this week in tech. And then they turn this on. You do realize our audio is right now being run by a puppet. That's true. I'm not even kidding. Can we get a shot of the control booth? Can we get a shot from inside the control booth? I just look like, yeah, you're making a serious point. And then there's a puppet dancing right behind you. Was that made, was that puppet made at the, I think FAO Schwarz has like a puppet making shop where you can design your own Muppet. Is that what that is? I don't think legally we can say one word of the other. I have a friend, because I have a friend. Build a bear? No, I have a friend who has several of these Muppets. She's really into them. Puppets, seriously. Legally obligated to say puppets. Serious about them. Yeah, like she made, they don't have legs and she made legs for one of them. She sewed legs for one of them. Good night. All right, let's talk about some college stuff. Steve Jobs film. Yes. First off, Steve Jobs birthday was on Monday. Mm-hmm. The original due date of my daughter. That's really crazy. Yeah, but we didn't hit it. No, original due date. Yeah. Original. We missed the embargo. We obviously didn't hit it. So it's saying if my parents had sex like eight months earlier, maybe. It's more than eight. What? Five, I don't know. Just continue. It's more than eight, so five. Really, that's gonna span three weeks is really what I'm talking about here, okay. And please, don't talk about me having sex ever again. It's getting really weird. Steve Jobs film. Where's that vest? Rumored. Put that vest on and you won't have sex ever again. That's a callback. You mean this vest? Yeah, that one right there. Oh God. Wait a second, I'm sorry, did you, were you talking about this? I wish I could time this so I could get it on. All right. Oh boy. Do you need help? The control room has informed me your wife just filed for divorce. We got a problem here. Lady writer, are you okay? What just happened? You're good, you're good. What's happening here? You're good, there you go. You mean this vest? Can we edit that post? We'll just cut it faster. Can we edit the post so it just seems like covered a little bit with a little B roll of these guys. We'll just jump ahead in real time. Here, I'll just do it again. I'm just gonna do it again and you guys cut it together for the edit. You think you can do it right this time, okay. You mean this vest? Whoa. Yeah. It's like a lawnmower man. That happens in the lawnmower man. Actually, Jeff Faye gets a bunch of information downloaded and then he puts on a cool ladies leather vest. What is going on? I'm loving this. It's been too long. So you wanna talk about the David Fincher rumor? So early on, early on when Walter Isaacson, I believe sold the rights to this book to Sony, listen to me with like, oh God, it's information here. Yeah. I'm not used to this. I believe there was a major rumor going around that it was gonna be Aaron Sorkin writing the screenplay and Fincher directing. Was it rumor or just wishful thinking? Because Sony Pictures had just done the social network with Fincher, with Sorkin. I don't know. I think people were like, David Fincher's gonna direct every movie about technology. Yeah. Here it is, the Steve Jobs film. Yeah. Steve Jobs lived in a world where everything had a kind of green filter on it. Like everything was green. Just like the matrix. Speaking of. No, no, no. Speaking of the matrix. It's funny you should mention the matrix. Oh really? Actually I had this great idea. Can I give away a great idea? Please do. Yeah, like pizza Chipotle. It's David Fincher related and it's also a spoiler. If you don't know how seven ends. Oh God. If you don't know how seven ends, I'm giving you a fair warning. If you don't know how seven ends. Yeah, can we get a picture of what's in the box on screen? Just take it. But here's my idea is like, somebody should make a fake, okay, spoiler alert. Seriously. Also epilepsy warning. Somebody should make, somebody should make a, like they should sell this. It's the kind of thing you might get at like geek.com or whatever. Yeah. Or like anyhow, it's like a model of Gwyneth Paltrow's. What a head? Model of Gwyneth Paltrow's head. It's a model of Gwyneth Paltrow's head in like a brown paper box. Merry Christmas, son. And you can send it to people as a gift. And it's like hand, it's like hand letter. I had the idea the other night. I think it was like after many hours of sleep deprivation. Oh God. But like, isn't that an amazing gift? Wouldn't that be amazing if like you get a box cause we got a package from, cause we get a lot of packages. Wait, what is a package? When you have a lot of, when you have a baby, a lot of people send you stuff. Like a severed head. And your daughter's gonna have a very weird brain. No, but it's a fun gift. It's a gag, you know, it's a novelty gift. And you get a box and it's in the brown paper and you unwrap it and you open it, it's Gwyneth Paltrow's head. I mean, that's, if you don't think that's an amazing idea, I have to question your sense of good ideas. That's not a very good like questioning. That's a great Valentine's Day gift. I was like, what's going on with my arm over here? It's in a mess. Look, what's going on on my right shoulder here? It looks like I've got some weird shoulder deformity because of the coloring of the chair and my shirt. But if you look at this, it's okay. That's fine. No, but look, right there, it doesn't look right. No. I don't like it. It's a tumor. It looks like a weird extra muscle. What a great show. Yeah. I'm doing it. You made it this fast? Okay. But if Fincher were to do the Jaws biopic and so it- Oh, is that what we're talking about? We put this on the table over there. As we heard, this Horkin film is supposed to be like three parts in quote unquote real time. Steve Jobs preparing for three events. The rumor was. Oh, I don't remember. He wrote the script as in like, it's right before unveils the Mac, it's right before unveils the iPod. It's just like in real time, they're 45 minutes or 30 minutes prior. That sounds cool. It's an interesting idea if he went with it. Did you see Jobs? Oh, you didn't you review Jobs from Sundance? Yes, I did. Yeah. That was not like really that good. That was lifetime. I think Justin Long made the definitive Jaws film. Yes. Can we get a clip? Wait, wait, we're getting scared. Do you think you'd have to license, would you have to license Gwyneth Paltrow's- Head. Like-ness? I guess you would. Yeah. No. I don't know, man. Can someone make this happen? Does she really own her likeness though? It was kind of given to her, right? I guess you could like, you could make it look like Gwyneth Paltrow and the character could be named like Lillith. There's something that sounds like Gwyneth, but isn't, what's the name of the character in the movie? Like how people make like one, we'll put one defect in an ornate rug. Not important. How much is our viewership tanked, by the way, throughout the, throughout the, has it just plummeted? It's like we've lost like- Wait, is that real? Is that real? Is that a true number? It's not a true, guys. Oh, okay. I was like, well, that's not a true number. Literally, it's the puppet talking. So here, it is plummeted. People are like, let me check out this informative- Ten people are like, no, we want tech news. We want tech news. Puppets live. Not Teresa Miles or Mills. But I think, I think that, so anyhow, I think, I think here's the thing. I will say this. Social Network was grossly inaccurate on many levels, but it did make for a fairly entertaining film. Yeah, it was compelling and like- And it was well made. I think Fincher's best movie is Zodiac, personally. Oh, so good. Great flick. You mean sarcastic? No, it's great. I think it's really underrated. I think that most people don't even know that it exists. It was like kind of a quiet, just like, I don't know. It just didn't do, people didn't want to watch a movie about a serial killer who doesn't send a box to someone at the end. That's like a made for TV movie about the Zodiac killer. That was actually a lot better. Is that Richard Ramirez? Is that the person they think? I don't know who did it. Do they never, they never, I forget, I forget how Zodiac ends. Do they catch him? Spoiler alert, don't tell me. He dies before he gets prosecuted, right? All right, okay, that's enough of that. Yeah. Well, spoiler alert. But it did happen in reality, so it's not, you can't really be mad at me for that. I know, I was just saying, what happened to Jesus? Don't spoil it. But I think, here's the thing, I think Fincher could do a good job, but I think you have to ask yourself, what really is the movie about? Like we know and love Steve Jobs. We know his story. Like we've studied him as a person in our world. We've talked about him a lot. What is the movie for a broad audience about Steve Jobs? Like how many more films are they gonna make where it's like he was a hippie in the 60s and he did acid and then like he was hard to work with at Atari and now he made the iPhone. Like how interesting is that story when you really look at it? Because that's what I was kind of struck by watching Jobs, which is not only is it identical to Pirates of Silicon Valley, like you just can't mess with the arc because it's exactly the same, but I was kind of like, this is cool to me to some extent because I know some of these stories and who these people are and I know their background. But like, is it a compelling tale to a broader audience, which is the audience you, and that's what was interesting about Social Network. He turned the Social Network about, which is really probably not nearly as salacious and interesting into a story about this weird loner who had some weird issues where he was trying to like, he's trying to overcome his horrible image issues by creating Facebook. But also it wasn't trying to be everything. Like it wasn't like, here's how, from the time he was a zygote to winning Facebook. Had a CIPO. Right, it didn't show that the whole, well, his story is obviously far less like there, but I mean, it made it into like a character driven piece about a kind of flawed person. And so, and I guess jobs, like, let's be honest, no shortage of flaws to look at. No, no. But no one claims he's a great person. He says he's a great businessman. Like that's the big thing. I don't have a personal life. I mean, really they should just, like who cares about a shit at Apple? Like they should just do like a, that 70s show mini series. Where he's smoking dudes with Kelso up in the attic. That'd be great actually if he was smoking. I guess my question ultimately is like, what is the definitive two hour story about Steve Jobs you can tell? Cause I don't know about launching the iPhone. It's cool, but when it happened, it didn't, people were like, oh my God, like people who knew about technology, like, oh my God, he's going to do a phone. But regular humans were like, what's a smartphone? True detective season two, Steve Jobs and Bill Gates. I like it. Partners. I like it. So anyhow, I think we have to see like what that, I'm very curious to know what that story really is. The thing you were describing, the Sorkin concept is sort of interesting. If it says that's actually how he did it, like that'd be great. And like, I'd be interested. It's going to be obviously depending on who is casted as Jobs. So I don't know. Kevin Spacey. Justin Timberlake. I didn't actually see Jobs, but I feel like there's a lot of his personal life that wasn't. They don't go into the personal life. They go into kind of a strange daughter and that relationship. They do go into that in pretty good detail in the Pirates of Silicon Valley though. Okay, Harold Ramis passed away. He did. Harold Ramis died at the age of 69. Star of many fantastic films. Writer, director, producer, and star. And I think most people know him as Egon from Ghostbusters. Here he is with the, what is this device called? God, I haven't seen Ghostbusters in forever. Spectral, Spectro. Spectrograph, Spectro Rob. Spectrometer? Ghost detector. Ghost, it's the ghost sniffer. Anyhow. Very young Dan Aykroyd and Bill Murray as well. Young everybody. I mean, great, super talented guy. Really funny, smart. And you know, just a downer. Like, I don't know. I grew up watching a lot of movies this guy was in, particularly the Ghostbusters movies. I know a lot of people diss Ghostbusters too, but I think it's pretty entertaining. I love it. I love the song too. It's great. Vigo's in that, right? Yes, Vigo. And there's also a Bobby Brown song. Yeah, my favorite movie is The Child in Order of Importance, Ghostbusters, Top Gun, Ghostbusters 2. This is something, there's a Bobby Brown track that goes along with that film. And this is something that happened, I think, a lot in the 80s that you really don't see too much anymore. That he does a rap in the song and it's about stuff that's happening in the movie. Like he name checks Vigo and several other characters. Could we get a little bit of Bobby Brown's rap from Ghostbusters 2? I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. I think it's called We're in Control, I Could Be Wrong. I did some Egon cosplay. Did you really? Yeah, it's a- Like recently? John, can you bring that up? Was it Egon specifically? It's on the document at the top. I gotta look at this too. Oh yeah, Egon. What? This is crazy, I don't buy this. Wait. Is this a troll? No, it's not a troll. 100% serious. That's you? On the left there, yeah. Oh, wow. It's Egon. What do you mean, on whose left? On my left or the people's left? Your left. I'm the taller one. How can you tell it's Egon? So this is, yeah, that's my question. How do you know it's Egon? There's no thing that's Egon. It's all in the performance, you can't capture that. You got Slimer on a badge? That's not how they- Yeah, I don't read all of that in Slimer. Listen, I didn't make the threads. I get it, I get it. I also went as a Ghostbuster, I think, for Halloween. I Could Be Wrong. But anyhow, very cute. That's you on the left there. Yeah. Look at you, you're like mushroom hair. Your throwback Thursday. Yeah, never again. No bowl cuts. TBT. Bowl cuts should be illegal. I think that's cool. Like circumcision and bowl cuts shouldn't be prohibited. There's a sadness though. There's a kind of sadness there, TC. Yeah. You know, darkness in you. I see. You got the trap and everything. That was purchased though, right? Yeah. Okay. Now can we get a little bit of that Bobby Brown song from Ghostbusters 2? Can we get that up on the view screen? I think they're working on it. On the view screen? You can't find it? You wanna look at the song. I wanna look at it. That's what I said. Everybody said he's a really nice guy. Yeah. You know, they're still gonna make Ghostbusters 3. Well, how do you feel about that? I'm sorry. You think it's in poor taste? I don't think it's a poor taste. I just think whether or not he was involved, like it's gonna be a bad movie. Right. They need fresh meat. They're using all the old guys. It needs to be Ghostbusters 3. Oh, here we go. Is this it? I'm not hearing any audio. Is that what we can't run the audio? We don't have sound. We're pretty advanced here. Yeah. But I mean, that's what Subways look like now anyway. I mean, look, this video is crazy. That video is crazy. That's pretty awesome. That was nuts. All right, what else? What else are we talking about? I mean, we can talk about just a lot. Is it Got Milk? Godzilla? We gotta wrap up soon, unfortunately. Do you wanna talk about the Oscars at all? It's coming up on Sunday. No, not really. We're gonna do, we'll have some Oscar coverage, but I don't really wanna talk about it. That's fair. Got Milk, they've gotten rid of. Got Milk. What is Heroes Reborn? Oh, God, they're bringing Heroes back. They're bringing Heroes back. Oh, right, I'm sorry. Heroes, bring Heroes back. No. Siler. No. The other guy, the guy with the hair. They haven't announced any of the characters. Peter. Peter's brother, Milo Ventimiglia, the blonde girl, Hayden Panettiere, Allie Larder. God, Peter was so whiny. The guy who turns into a gecko. Masioka. Masioka. Eshiro Nakamura. Yeah. The old guy, Malcolm McDowell. Linderman? Linderman, is that what his name? Linderman, yeah. They kill off all those people, right? Siler was a cool villain, though. That first season of Heroes was pretty good. Oh, yeah, when he killed Veronica Mars? Yeah. First. Oh, that's right. Was that the first season? That was the first season. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. He didn't kill the character of Veronica Mars, though. No, it was. It was Veronica Mars. I don't think that's right. That's why there's no season. That's right. That's right. Are you? That's cool. That's cool. Take a little off the top. He had a great story, great back story. Very cool. And then, of course, just like Lost, great first season. And then everything was garbage. Well, they had that writer strike. Oh, yeah, there was a lot of the writer strike. Writer strikes, we have ruined a lot of great things, though. Like shows on TV. It should be illegal for writers to strike. We've got to break these writers unions up. Well, it's like, how are there not enough writers? Everybody's doing it. Look at the internet. Like, it's like, all right, we're just going to take fan fiction and try to just producing it. Yeah, but actually, I think that that would be totally passable now. I would love to see our writers pick it. A lot of good fan fiction out there. And that's going to be 2015 is when they're doing it? Yeah. Or this year? No, I think it's next year. Seriously, I'm going to wait till 2015 to see the new heroes. It better be amazing. I'm more excited for the new 24. Yeah, that's going to be great. I'm not a 24 fan. Are you a 24 fan? I mean, yeah. What do I need to know? Bring me up to speed. I never really watch any 24. I mean, I understand the character. I understand that every episode is an hour. There's a world-ending terroristic threat. And that he works for what organization? CTU, baby. Yeah, CTU, Counterterrorism Unit. It's a fake, made up thing. And then he goes off the grid for a while. And for a while, he goes off the grid for one day. There's a movie where he goes to Africa, and everybody dies, and he's really sad. And then he comes back. Why are you ruining it? No, it's basically like a very violent torture from the guy. You just ruined everything for me about 24. Really? How many seasons of 24 are there? There's like eight. Yeah. What's eight times 24? So what's seven times 24? Look at this. Now, he does a lot of torturing. This is actually a lot of people think that 24 was actually kind of like a propaganda, piece of propaganda for the US torture of prisoners of war. Because it was like, sometimes you have to break the rules to save lives. That's right. And it's always like, it's 100% successful. I mean, it's a Bush era show. It's from a time when we felt that there was a constant, nonstop, very localized threat of terrorism at every turn. Every 24 hours. Every 24 hours in every city in America. Every 24 hours, they have to invent a new color at the top of the scale. When you live in Pittsburgh, it must be great to live in Pittsburgh or wherever when there's a terrorist threat to a major city. You're like, I'm good. I live in a very small town. I mean, Pittsburgh's not that small, but they're going to hit Philadelphia, right? They're not going to go over Pittsburgh. They're going to hit New York. I'm saying small towns are safe. That's where all the robots are. Small towns. They're going to take out our robots. That's where all the people who are posing, all the robots that are posing as humans live. They live there. They're not even doing anything. Josh, stop giving the terrorists an instruction manual. Let me give you some coordinates to put your robot family. Is that what the terrorists are using now? Robots that look like humans? Like screamers. That's what the terrorists are using. Screamers. Another great film from the 90s. I think we're wrapping up. Oh, one more thing. One more thing. Daft Punk, Pharrell, new track, like leaked today? Was released today? Very excited. Pharrell and Daft Punk are here. You described it as you thought the lyrics were suggestive in a negative way. I think you said rapey. Rapey is how you described it. I don't know if that's what I said, but I think that's what I said. Because it says the lyrics are, open up your window, let me give you a hug. Yeah, something like that. I think that just sounds like when French guys. Yeah, but if you really think about it, in what situation would you ever open a window? It's because someone's sitting in a tree branch, looking into your bedroom. You want fresh air. Are you worried about hugs? I mean, I know Robin Thicke has ruined the hug. No, I love hugs. I think you misunderstand. He's the gust of wind. The hug is the wind hitting your body, your nude body. Sounds like a pretty rapey metaphor to me. I imagine you throw the window open, the fresh air hits your nude body. That's the hugging question. Caresses your nude body. Not the hand. Caresses. You go in for the hug. No, there is no person to, it's representative of a person. So the wind is like, represents the touch of a person. No, it's just there on your body. It's like some Dave Matthews band level. Well, it wasn't, open up your skirt, little boy. Show the world something. That's the Vergecast for this week. That's the Vergecast for this week. So much great tech news. So much tech news. All your technology needs. As always, you can get in touch with us. You can email us at vergecast at theverge.com. I'm sure we'll get a lot of that now. You can leave a comment on the post when it goes up, or you can get into our forums and start a conversation on theverge.com. You can find us on Twitter. The Verge is at Verge. I'm Joshua Topolski. Ross is ohnoRoscoe, no E on the end. What are you, TC Sotic? At Barack Obama. TC is TC Sotic. No, he's laughing stock. Yeah. And he's great on Twitter. Yeah. He's great on Twitter. He's like the new Darth. Wow, you're just throwing it down. And that's our show. Somebody's asking about Tonight Show. Several people have asked, am I going to go on the Tonight Show? We're, I've talked to the producers. We're working on doing something maybe in April. I hope I didn't just dox anything. But it'll be something special, I think. But who knows? It might not happen. You never know. But yeah, maybe. Just because somebody just tweeted at me. So that's why I'm answering. If Leno isn't back by then. If Leno isn't back, I have to say, I really am enjoying the Tonight Show. And I'm not just saying that because I like Jimmy and all the people over there. I actually think it's really refreshing. No, the transition's been great. It's really good. What do you think about Seth? You get a review of Seth. Yeah. So I would say the Mondays. I don't get the set. I just don't. It's weird. So the Monday. Those chairs. The Monday Seth versus the Wednesday Seth, because I was watching that before we got on. It's much different. Like when you watch it Monday, it was week in update with an interview. And now he's learned to talk to the audience. Yeah. He's learned conversational. It's all right. I think they need, they still need to figure out what to do. But like. They should have gone full on weeknight update. It took Jimmy like six months to figure out like how to be quirky. It's pretty good. Look, it's a tough job. It's good though. I'm sure he'll do a great job. It's surprisingly good. I just don't like those chairs. That's my own thing. Yeah. And that's it. That's it. That's it. And listen, from one family man to another, or family lady to another. Lady writer. Lady writer. We could be in bad trouble very soon. I'm very worried about our families. My jack power will save us. Stay tuned.