 Hello! Okay, welcome to the WAN Show, guys! We are a little late. No, we're right. Do they even- I was talking to the Twitch chat, we're right. We're right. We are now a top shelf line. Do they even want to hear why at this point? Is it just- are they just tired of my excuses? I don't think we should bother anymore. Because like, is it actually really any different? How about just a short summary? Sure. We don't touch the computer from week to week, and yet it doesn't work when we sit back down in front of it. Capture cards are a giant steaming pile of garbage. Basically all of them as far as I can tell. And, uh, what was the other- what was the other bit this week? Well, yeah, we- okay, okay. I had to give back the XLR audio interface that I had borrowed for the last couple of weeks to find out if that would work with our external compressor. And so I had to give that back. So I had to reconfigure that, but I knew that was coming. That part was actually fine. It was- the part that really bothers me is the part where I literally do not touch this entire corner of the building for a week, and I come back and it doesn't work. The camera does get taken down every week. Yeah, but that's not the issue. Right. But you are unplugging things. It's not like it was just running for the whole week. I didn't. So there's that. And actually the camera did not get unplugged this week. It wasn't here. What do you mean it wasn't here? You said the camera wasn't- you told me it wasn't set up. What camera? Well, no, it was sitting here. Just, like, it didn't have a lens on it. Yeah, but a lens does not affect the connection between the SDI cable and the converter and the capture card. To be honest though, like, I don't understand- I feel like we need to just simplify things. Like, I used to do a lot of Wii U streams using AverMedia cards, which is like a video capture off of something, and never had a single problem with any of those streams. Yep. And yet, here we are with AverMedia cards and other cards. We're trying to use Blackmagic ones, and we still have them in the computer, which is probably causing problems. Yeah, no, I don't think that's causing the problem today. Sure. That was definitely part of the issue. That was definitely part of the issue, but nothing to do with the fact that our live game or portable all of a sudden needs a bunch of audio delays. Anyway, so, let's get right into what topics we have today. We got one of them. What? We said one of them, didn't we? No. We didn't even get to one of them? No. Alright, that's classic. Go for it. Amazon Drone Service is- there's no other notes other than that, so there's probably some information about the Amazon Drone Service. More details. Also, Radeon Fury X2 is on the way. Ooh, something we kind of knew. Just Cause 3 runs like garbage on the consoles, which we probably could have guessed, even if we didn't already know. And VTech, basically just- I mean, not because they had any kind of a choice in the matter, but they admit that their tablet was recording personal data and that they were storing it. And this was a toy tablet, right? Yes. So without going super deep into the topic, is it worse because it's for kids? Yes. It is way worse. It is many, many, many times worse. Oh yeah. Because they are minors. I had to ask him because he's a parent. I already had that opinion, but his matters more. I didn't think I was that obvious. I think it's pretty obvious. That it matters more if it's a kid? No, you called me a parent. Alright guys, so everyone's all upset about my fantastic dad jokes. I liked it. It was good. Especially because I was saying that I had to ask that because you were a dad. So the timing was good and the quality was good. Haters gonna hate, yo. Alright, so this is about the least expected use of Jeremy Clarkson's talent that I could have possibly seen coming over there at Amazon. Is it muted? Do you want it to be muted? Yeah, yeah, muted is fine. Because basically they just have him explain that Junior here needs cleats or something and then whatever. If only there were some way that Amazon could send it to you. I wonder how much Puma paid for this product placement. Because he says the name of the specific cleat literally. It felt like six times in the video. So this is cool. So this is a VTOL drone, which means vertical takeoff and landing. Actual flight footage not simulated apparently. And then what it does is, because you can see it's kind of got a weird shape to it here. It actually converts to a forward flight craft. What the crap? Just like that. Although it has a range of, I think they were figuring something to the tune of around 18 miles. It uses sensors to sense things. You know, flight data like speed and that looks kind of simulated. And then basically it finds a suitable landing point. Delivery zone. And I think there's actually like a little printout tag you put in your yard. Oh, okay. That it goes and finds. Then they actually show it landing right on it. Now I was one of those people who was in the camp of this is pure April Fool's joke. They are messing around with us. I was of the mindset that they were just messing with us when they originally announced that they would deliver packages by drone. But it looks like they are actually serious about this. They have done a fair bit of R&D presumably. Based on what they are saying in the video about how the drones have sensors to go around hot air balloons or whatever else. So they are working on it and they seem to be like for real about making this happen. Apparently it is designed to safely get packages to customers in 30 minutes or less. Making it actually faster for a small item. Mr. Clarkson works in a little joke about how the dog who chewed up the shoe is now getting a chew toy along with the new shoes. So as long as they are small lightweight items in under 30 minutes. There is no launch date. The drone in the video can fly for 15 miles. 15 miles. Sorry I said 18 miles. My bad. 15 miles. So that means that not everyone is really going to be able to get this. And I wonder how widespread this is actually going to be considering the Amazon Fresh campaign. Is that still only in Seattle? Amazon Fresh? I thought they were in New York too? They might be. I'm not sure. I haven't looked this up. I was just thinking about that right now. Amazon seems to do things but then not necessarily spread them out actually all that well. Yeah Amazon Fresh subsidiary company in Seattle Washington. It revived the business model of ordering groceries online. Bippity boppity bippity boppity product lines. Selected parts of Centre City, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, New York City on October 17th, 2014. So yeah San Francisco, San Diego. Still kind of taking some time to spread out. Yes. It's doing okay though. Obviously this is not something where it's like yes this is driving 18% of our annual revenue. Nothing like that. And there's still problems just like there was last time where putting Prime Air into service will. This is a quote. Putting Prime Air into service will take some time but we will deploy when we have the regulatory support needed to realize our vision. That's huge. Yeah it's going to take a while. And I mean this doesn't address a lot of the other issues as well. So the drone they showed off there apparently flies at about 400 feet. So for the metric people it's about 130 meters. Which yeah it's perhaps not very high. No. Actually so if the whole thing that people are joking about online. And you know if someone jokes about it. The hunting the drones thing? Yeah. If a thousand people joke about it online. One person's going to do it. One will do it. And that's kind of all it's going to take is for one person to shoot like a net gun at a drone. Have it come down. Peg some kid in the head. Kill them. And then. I was just going to say the first one that falls is going to be really interesting. Yep. Can Amazon just pay its way out of this? You know like here's six million dollars. Sorry your kid's dead or whatever like. I don't know. Will they will they keep the program going at that point? How important is it for people to get things in 30 minutes or less? Because there's currently about airplanes. Like regulatory maintenance issues where they're repairing the planes out of the states. Because there's lower. I don't know what the right word for it is. You don't have to be as careful when you're doing maintenance when you do it outside of the states. So seriously airplane people like airlines. Looser regulations kind of thing? Yes. Regulations. That's what I was looking for. There's lower amounts of regulations looser regulations for repairing airplanes. They're doing it outside of the states. They're already sketchy about airplanes. Think about drones. Are they going to be doing maintenance checks on these things like every trip or every couple trips? I doubt it. Yeah. Unless Amazon has like robots that are going to do that. But then I don't know. It's a really cool idea. People are saying that the limit for drones is 400 feet and that's why. Yeah but that's not really the point. The point is that people will be bringing them down. Yes. So yeah. I mean if the US changes the regulations and allows Amazon to fly them higher then that opens up a whole other can of worms because. Someone in the chat said so I guess we're all wondering if Amazon Prime Air is going to take off. So there was one other comment that I wanted to make about it. Right. Yeah. One of the first one of the top comments on the on the video was from someone saying like oh you know the the couriers must be must be really worried about this to which I would reply. I really don't think so. Amazon even now is positioning this and intelligently so is positioning this as a as a premium service. Yeah. So this is not like you need to have a market like if you saw in the video you need to have a little like drop the package here thing in your yard. I don't know how many people are going to actually do that. Well no I think you just you just like print it when you place your order and you check it there. Yeah. I don't think it looks like it was down in the grass. I don't think it's permanent. It looks I don't know in the video. I'm sorry that maybe they like did a heavy one so that it wouldn't get blown away and stuff probably better. Yet another concern. It ends up in your neighbors yard they're like nope my property now. What yeah what happens when it screws up a delivery. So okay there's a lot of concerns okay so a it's expensive. B. This is going to be for lightweight items only small orders only. I'm pretty sure they were doing cleats. Yeah I'm pretty sure that UPS is not worried at this point about you know all the people ordering like half the I'm just trying to think what percentage of the stuff we order off of Amazon would fit in a little drone like that. Us not much. Yeah not not much it's like if you order a computer case I don't think there's going to be like the jumbo drum with that said. Like books and stuff if you can carry cleats you might be able to carry a book or two. And zeppelin technology is coming back. That's awesome. Zeppelin are coming back my friend so they can get this zeppelin drone going. As long as they don't make them like a crane lower out of it and drop your package off like crane lowers out and then it just like tilts up and just slides off. I mean okay as long as they don't make the zeppelins out of hydrogen or lead then we're in really good shape. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's just see if there's anything else to really say about it probably probably not. I don't know we've talked about this thing like three times almost nothing's changed except there's a video now. Well the smart the video changes a lot for me because seeing such an elegant design for a VTOL plane. Oh the drone itself is super cool. Makes a big difference to me because when they originally did the April Fool's joke they were using a quadcopter drone or a six copter drone if I recall correctly. And that's like some of the stuff out of China. Yeah yeah yeah. Right where we've seen like you know early attempts to it's all like these six copter like just total like disaster over long distances designs. Whereas yeah if you can go all plane all plane you know forward flying on it then it might actually work. Very very cool. I want to know what prevents people from capturing them when they land in their yard like. I'm sure they have sensors cameras whatever. Yeah I'm I'm fairly sure that I could order something to anyone's address for one thing. I could put on a ski mask or whatever and like capture the drone when it lands put it in a lead box and you know take it away to I don't know like I'm sure someone's if something is valuable someone will come up with a way to steal it. Yeah. Period. Someone will probably get one. Yeah. And and drop off its thing and then not really be able to leave like I don't know something's going to happen. And I guess I guess it's funny you have people are worried about like automation and rightfully so. But I mean that creates a new job right. The guy whose job it is to get in his car and drive to the customers house be like hey yeah sorry the drones in the backyard can I just use a gift card. I'm going to go get that. Thanks for that. So that was posted on the forum by pixel density. Thank you for that. Next article today posted by PC beyond on the forum YouTube. Y'all seeks to compete with Netflix original article here is from ours technical.co.uk and I think YouTube's intentions of you know getting movie deals and TV show deals and wanting more more professionally made premium content is not exactly new. But what is new is that there's some more details about them being perhaps a little bit more serious about it than last time around. So the Wall Street Journal reported that YouTube is looking to bolster YouTube read specifically with TV shows and movies because YouTube premium or whatever they called it before. You could write movies on YouTube before. That's not new. And you've been able to watch like UFC fights. Yep. But so but but that was pay per view and rentals. Yeah. Whereas this would be like basically a direct shot across the bow of Netflix by saying okay no we want to have a monthly subscription that also includes TV shows and movies and if they pull this off. I mean YouTube read effectively becomes your Spotify your Netflix and your ad free YouTube like the ads pretty ad free YouTube for 10 bucks a month is already a compelling enough value that I'm probably going to do it and then you get music and you might get movies as well and you might get movies and TV shows and TV shows and TV shows I mean ad free ad free YouTube from a purely I need my kids to shut up for half an hour while I get a little bit more sleep in the morning is already an enough for me to spend the $10 a month on it because let me tell you a one year old is super interested in you know a is for Apple, Apple and then when some good ad for like Bioray skin cream comes on. She starts, she starts mashing at it she starts throwing it she starts making noise. I'm like, I'm still sleeping. And snoozing in the morning when you get woken up every literally every three and a half minutes when the ad comes on. And you know it's amazing how much the way that YouTube has monetized kids content has changed in the last two years, because when my son was one, and I wanted to sleep in in the morning TV 123 had almost no ads on it like one out of every 30 videos that played was going to be monetized now it's like every single one. What's a huge percentage of YouTube at this point. Yep. Yeah, but I just I thought that the you know kids advertising kids advertising laws were a little complicated, which isn't. Yeah, which is then again I guess you know TV does it too. Yeah TV does it too. Yeah, but there's like rules depending on the country, like in Canada. I have no idea about any of this. Yeah in Canada, a commercial can't start with. Hey kids, do you want to buy the new wild wacky amazing adventure pack. It has to be like, hey parents, do you want to buy for your kids, the wild wacky amazing action pack. Look at how amazing this thing is. So it has it's the voice that that it's speaking it has to address a different audience. But I guess that leads us that actually leads us pretty well into this post by Z mule on the forum the original article here is kit guru and V tech V tech. Nailed son. So if you guys you guys know V tech like I only really know them from like clear plastic cordless you know phones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Back when we had a landline. Yep. A lot of people have those as landlines. At least at least here anyway like I'm pretty sure like future shop in the source. You walked in you wanted a cordless phone you want to and you wanted a relatively cheap 900 megahertz. Yeah, 2.4 gigahertz. Remember how they wrote the V like there's tons of yeah. So, so basically, they admit their toy hack affected 6.4 million children. This is this is great their statement about it. So I'll give you a bit more details after but regrettably our database was not as secure as it should have been. So in a nutshell on the 14th of November it's learning lodge app store was broken into giving a hacker access to the customer database and kid connect services. So what's the worst thing about this is that servers. Yeah. So this hack actually allowed them to get access not only to just like you know login and login and password. But they actually were able to figure out the exact the exact accounts that they were tied to giving them access to way more personal information than just that. And they had a bunch of other stuff in their data in their in their system including the hackers were able to access more than 190 gigs of photos and audio logs off of these devices that can then be traced back to usernames and account details. Which makes the security threat much more worrisome especially considering this is a child friendly marketed device the into tab max our fastest tablet featuring VSEC V to VSEC whoops VTEC selected Android apps and games. That's really sketchy. I'm not a huge fan of it also compromised other sites as well one of them I can't even really say loomi bow x revs. I don't know probably said that super wrong V smile link.com sleepy bear lullaby time, which is the greatest name for a website ever. Yeah, I kind of want to buy that site. It reminds me of channel super fun sleepy bear lullaby time.com so great anyway. So these are all VTEC owned entities. Yeah. So I guess I guess I don't know what is there to really say by the way is email posted this on the form. Thanks for that. What is there to really say other than you know lock up your lock up your kids and keep them away from all internet and hide Joe hide your what hide your kids hide your kids lock up your lock up your daughters. That's the oh yeah. I thought you're going for internet. No no no no no kids hide your wife. Yeah, because they hacking everybody out here. Yeah, nothing. Nothing safe. Hey, not really. I think I own VTEC stuff. Nothing nothing that collects any personal information. It's like I don't because the only thing I ever knew that they made were like relatively cheap phones. That's the only reason why I don't know. I'm pretty sure they make lots of kids stuff because I have like this I have like this goofy. It's got like a keyboard on it and it's got like just kind of games like fill in the letter blank. Okay, there's like there's like a happy bear that asks you to fill in the letter create a letter bridge. Yeah, no, no. I love that website name. Sleepy bear lullaby time. This is kind of a big deal posted by commission. I don't know how to pronounce that but on the forum. So this is from geek.com. Sony unlocks the PlayStation 4 seventh processing core for developers. So in a nutshell, this is something Microsoft already did a little while back in order to get a little more competitive with the PlayStation 4 is the the AMD custom processor that they're actually both using. Although different slightly slightly different versions of it, but the actual CPU cores themselves, they're both using an eight core APU of sorts. And so the X bone was reserving two of its cores for things like connect, say, for example. So Microsoft kind of went, oh shoot, we're kind of losing the performance for because Microsoft went with a slightly slower tuned version. So they unlocked a seventh core, which means that in games that need to leverage that extra horsepower, you can't access some background processes such as menus and connect. Which is good, which is which is which is fine because if the game wasn't going to leverage connect at all anyway, then it can use the processing power that would have been locked and unused. Yes. And with, you know, if you're making, you know, happy dance party time X or whatever game, I'd be very sleepy time. Yeah, then you frankly don't need the seven cores anyway. So that that seems like a pretty good compromise to me. So place. So Sony has now I think we're guess. So this was back in January that Microsoft did it. So almost a year later, they have now done the same thing, allowing the PlayStation 4 to basically get as close to its potential maximum as it can, which is going to be brutal for Xbox one because they already did this and like still losing to PlayStation. So now PlayStation will be even more ahead. Yeah, with I guess the the the the main this discussion point here because that news in and of itself is not actually terribly exciting. The consoles this generation are underpowered. Yeah. Whoop dee fricking do. Here's what I want to know. And I want to hear from you guys. We're going to straw pull this up in here. Nice. I'm excited. I like straw pulls. If you think back to Microsoft Xbox one launch event, their whole thing, the server thing. Is that what you're talking? No, I'm not going to talk about that. That's that's a whole other ball of wax. That drives me insane. That might not. That might just never see the light of day. I don't think so. So did we're going to use cloud servers to render things for your thing and it's going to make it easier and better and faster and that'll never happen. All right. Hold on. I'm just going to create. I'm going to create the like skiing and World of Warcraft. How many times have they said they were going to put skiing in the game? Nope. Have they? Yeah. It was on the box. It's on the back of the box for Rathalich King. All right. Well, at any rate, there's the straw pull. Random facts that don't matter. There you go. Did not know that. So if you think back to the you guys, I didn't even ask the question. I haven't clarified yet. Keep the tab open so you can fix it in case you change your mind. So if you think back to the Xbox one launch event, Microsoft's whole spiel was that the Xbox one is not a game console. It is like your family living room hub. It is your entertainment hub. It is your you watch TV on it. You you know, wave at it and you're like, hey, Xbox. Wow. Wake up and let's play some games. Oh, well, not just games. Maybe we're going to look at our photos or access our sky drive. I guess they still call it sky drive at that point. I don't know. Anyway, the point is it was supposed to be more than just a game console, a game machine, but not a PC. It wasn't a PC. An entertainment system. They didn't know what the hell it was. So did they learn their lesson? Is that what we're figuring out here now that Microsoft and Sony have both kind of gone? Oh, shit. People don't really care other than like their Netflix app. They don't really care about doing anything on this other than playing video games. I don't think they have. It turns out a game console is just a console or are they going to come back with the Xbox two and the PlayStation five and are they going to be like if they call it the two, I'm going to I'm going to like crap a brick. Okay. They call it the Xbox. That would be so horrible. So are they going to come back with that and go? Yeah, we added way more power this time for way better gaming. And also, we cordoned off a bit of it again for like we're going to still try and do that other stuff again. So I want to know I want to know from you guys. Let's let's head over to my screen. Let's have a look at straw poll results. We've got a whopping 58% of you most of whom didn't even wait for me to explain the question saying no, they did not learn their lesson. A 31% of you are voting for turnip the way you should throwing away your votes. I love the timing of our whole vote for turnip thing and then Donald Trump for president. Every time I wear that shirt. Every time I wear that shirt. People are like, ah, it's a Donald Trump joke, because you might as well just vote for a turnip and it kind of looks like. And then 11% of you go. Yes, they're going to treat a game console like a game console next time. I don't think so. Okay. Well, I was about to ask what you think. I guess we to interrupt me. Whoa. Why do you always talk this whole stream? There's multiple stories this dream. I'm like, okay. Anyways, I don't think that they have reasons for why I don't think that they have are largely based in the past. I know things have changed, but still, this was the first time that they've made money by selling their console. So I feel like not much. I know. But still, before they were losing. Now they're making some. That's actually a pretty significant difference when you're selling that much volume. So you're saying we're still going to get underpowered consoles because they got used to the idea of making money selling the console. Yes, I get it. Before it was like accessories and whatever and we'll make it. It'll be awesome. Now it's like experience and we want to make more money because it's more premium or not really. And $160 accessories. Yeah. Yeah, that too. Elite controller. Yeah. So I don't really think so. And this honestly should have been in there from the start, even if it was still aimed to not be as gamey of a game console as it is. Right. Because why not? Yeah. Why force the developer? Yeah. So I don't think that actually has anything to do about them learning that it should be just a game console. I think that has them has more to do with that should have just been a thing. Why lock it off? That's just stupid. I will explain why. And actually, you know what? Because they're trying to force people to use the thing. I was going to say no, it's deeper than that. Okay. I was going to say that I was going to disagree with you. I was going to say that I think they learned their lesson. And I think they're going to come back focused on gaming and gamers. But I actually realized as you were talking that I'm with you, but for a slightly different reason. Okay. Because I think they are still going to try to force the game developers to use the thing. They're still going to try and create the gimmick because at the end of the day, 900 P versus 720 P is something that the PC audience cares about, but that the console audience is frankly, many of them not that interested in. Whereas when you create a marketing video, look at how many weasels. Look at how many weasels Nintendo sold from showing people waggling sticks around. Honestly, though, that was legitimately fun. It was. And the Kinect isn't. But that's what the marketing that's that's the marketing engine. That's why they're going to keep forcing game. They're going to come up with a gimmick. Yeah. Yeah. And they're going to force game devs to use the gimmick. And they're going to they're going to they're going to punish game devs who don't use the gimmick. And they're going to do it again and again and again, because that's visually interesting. Whereas 300 FPS at 4K. Well, actually, 4K they might be able to sell. But but but not for a long time because 4K TVs are only now just barely approaching affordability. Okay, first off, I am a Nintendo fanboy. So I get that like fairly across the board. We know even though they're despicable in so many ways. They're pretty bad. But it's okay. It's okay. It's fine. It's all coming out. Yoshi's adorable. I have the wooly one little toy because I bought Yoshi's wooly world, which is just the best game. It's so much fun. If you complete a level with 100%, you get another Yoshi and he comes in like you can get like a cow Yoshi or like a forest Yoshi and they're hilarious and they're super cute. Anyways, moving forward with the Wii when they make some crazy gimmick thing, you can just ignore it. The developer can just ignore it with the gamepad thing. You don't have to use it unless the developers Nintendo and they're making Twilight Princess and then they're going to do some stupid crap. Yeah, sure. I had to buy a classic controller just to play that stupid game. Yes, yes, carry on though. But they can. They don't force people to use their gimmicky things like that. You can just turn the controller sideways turning into more retro style controller. Use none of the motion stuff. The least ergonomic retro controller ever. It's pretty rough, but still use none of the motion stuff. With a condom on the end. You don't have to. You can take that off. You can go raw dog. But that's not safe. That's true. Bear back is not the kind of Wii use that we... To be fair though, that's the only way I use my controllers. Because you trust yourself not to throw them at your TV. I mean, I remember that. Okay, this is... Okay, sorry. Do you still have your train of thought? Will you be able to come back to it? I think I'm done. I'm good. Go for it. Okay, so I was sitting at work. I was at my desk. I was working at NCIX back when the Wii came out. So I was sitting at my desk and I had gotten the Wii for myself for Christmas for my family, but it was for me. So I had gotten the Wii for myself for Christmas. And my in-laws and my now-wife, then-girlfriend and I had spent the entire holiday season bowling and playing tennis with each other. And it was great. So I start reading the articles about people breaking their TVs, flinging Wiimotes into them. And I'm at my in-law's house and I'm talking to my now-girlfriend, then-girlfriend, now-wife. I don't now have a girlfriend. And I'm like, what kind of flippin' idiot throws a Wiimote at the TV? So she kind of goes ashen, right? And she kind of changes the subject. Meanwhile, I want to talk about this forever. I'm like, you gotta be freaking kidding me! If you're that sweaty, take a break, okay? Stop flinging your arms around. Take a breather, okay? The Wii even interrupts you every 20 minutes or whatever. You should go outside. Yeah, everyone just say, stop playing Wii Sports for 10 minutes, okay? So later on, I'm talking to her and she's like, so yeah, my dad threw the Wiimote today. He was in the room when I'm talking about this. She's like, yeah, my dad threw the Wiimote at the TV today. He almost broke it. And I was just like, what? That is so brutal. I thought you were talking about the gel sleeve. No, they didn't exist yet. This was in the early days. I'm like, oh gee, Wii. Yeah, no, no, I know. That was what I was talking about when I talked about the Wii condom. I got one. I was super lucky. You remember how the stock was super bad? Yeah. You couldn't find them anywhere? I camped out twice. I didn't camp out at all. I walked into my local Best Buy and like some employee that didn't know that they were back stocked or whatever just put one on the shelf. And I was like, okay, picked it up and bought it. The person at the till was like, what? I was like, yep, cool. I just walked out and got one. I think it was probably someone else's order. So after I realized that, I felt kind of bad. But I was like, it's on the shelf. Felt kind of bad all the way to the bank. Well, it was kind of expensive at the time. Well, yeah. What was it? Like $400? I don't remember. But I remember I had saved up for it for a bit. And I think my mom helped contribute because she wanted the fitness. I ended up with four of them before Christmas. Yeah, well, my wife, my wife and I camped twice. Okay. And so my boss, the owner of NCIX needed one. So that got a hefty markup. Yeah. My other boss, who was actually he actually visited our studio the other day. He's like, he I would consider him a friend, not just like a former boss. So my other boss got one. He got a less hefty, but definitely, you know, well, they're going for this much on eBay. So, you know, so I actually made so much selling a couple of them that mine were effectively like a couple hundred bucks for two. And I bought some WeMotes. So yeah, that worked out pretty well for me. But that said, I don't have the kind of time to do stuff like that. Although, I have exciting news. When are you seeing Star Wars? I'm waiting. I want to go with Brandon because he's good to talk to movies about afterwards and stuff. So I don't actually have a ticket yet because he doesn't have a ticket yet. So I, this is a major, this is a big shout out. There's a huge, massive like, wait, do you have opening day tickets? Well, not quite. Okay. But this is a massive shout out to Anthony over at NCIX, who thanks to, I'm not going to say how he got them, but it's something to do with like a purchase that he made recently and like an owners club website that probably no one will ever visit ever. There's a special non-public screening at 9am on the Saturday. 9am the day after it launches. So he has two tickets and he was kind of shopping them around like, and Jack was like, yeah, I'm going with, you know, someone else and blah blah blah. And he, and I was like, and then he was like, oh, well, I don't know, Linus, do you want to come? Do you have tickets yet? I'm like, actually, no, because I have children. And so going to see like a late night screening is not always the easiest thing for me and stuff like that. So I was, I was planning. I was literally planning to spend three weeks with my eyes closed and my fingers in my ears until I was going to be able to see it. Nope. I'm seeing it 9am. So, so Anthony and I have a master plan to show up at like 730. It's first come first served. So we have a master plan to show up at like 730 in the morning at the theater and it's going to be fricking awesome. And I'm going to see it on time pretty much for the first come first serve. And you're showing up at 730 for 9am. But remember, this is not a public screening. Probably no one knows about it. There wasn't even an email newsletter. Nothing. If you happen to sign into like the owner's portal. Wow. That's unlikely. Yeah. So I'm expecting to be sitting like dead theater center for Star Wars the day after launch. I'm super, super excited. I'm assuming Brandon is going to be waiting a little while because I think he wants really good seats too. Yeah. So I'm probably going to be waiting a while. All I can say is it better not disappoint because the last movie that I like freaked out and saw right away was The Hobbit Part 1. Have you heard about the Darth Jar Jar Binks? I have. I love it. It's actually pretty good. I actually love it. If you haven't seen the conspiracy theory that pretty solid that Jar Jar is actually the Sith master orchestrating everything behind the scenes. Check it out. It was a great post on Reddit. It's really good. It's really good. There's like it's it goes all kind of like, well, hold on. Yeah. Yeah. What if Jar Jar was all like like drunken Kung Fu master kind of thing. Like when he's like jumping around, oh, a missile clumsy boom knocking out drones and killing them all over the place. What if it's all an act? And then he's like inexplicably in the second movie. He's like a member of the Senate. Yeah. Or something like this. What? Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. It actually like. He must have been using mind control. I still don't. That's a huge part of it. That's a huge part of it. Yeah. And they have clips where he's like doing the hand wavy thing all the time. Super interesting. I don't know. It's it's ridiculous. And it's yeah. But it's fun. And it makes you not hate so much those series of movies. If you go back and I haven't done it yet. But if you rewatch with that in mind. I plan to. I'm going to reread the whole spiel because it's like a couple pages long. Yeah. I'm going to reread the whole spiel. I'm going to watch Phantom Menace again thinking Jar Jar is a mastermind and trying to mind control and pretend that he's crappy when he's not. Yeah. And he got kicked out of the underground city. We know this. He caused all kinds of problems. Stupid viewer. We assumed that, you know, he knocked over the, you know, Prince's daffodil plant or whatever. But, you know, daffodils would be pretty valuable underwater. Oh, yeah. Probably a rare commodity. Imported daffodils. So, you know, was George Lucas planning? And this is the this is the theory was George Lucas planning a Luke I am your father moment for the end of Attack of the Clones. No, it was me the whole time. That never happened because he bailed. And obviously not. But yeah, it's fun. Anyways, it's really fun. Speaking of things that are fun, Scott, our good buddy over at AMD and not tech report. Didn't see that one coming. Did not see that one coming is no longer is no longer going to be cards on time now. Maybe this is a good thing. No, he's not in that role. Oh, yeah. Sorry. So so I actually I've spoken on the phone with Scott since the announcement and I don't know how much of what was said was public knowledge versus what wasn't. So I will give a summary of what's in in his blog post and not much more. But I'm going to I'm going to be connecting with him at CES and I'll probably talk in some more depth. But just for those of you who don't know, I respect Scott a lot. He's super smart. He's been doing this whole tech journalism thing. He's just such a respectable guy. He's been doing this for over 15 years. And you know what we actually like we have we have a partnership with tech report on a couple things like we've worked together on a couple things in the past. And this just he kind of like I sent him a tweet that was like, you know, we can't bleep things on WAN show. So I'm not going to use the exact words that I did. But it was just basically like what the and you can kind of fill in the blanks for yourself and the yeah, like seriously. And he kind of sends back to us. He's like, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, dude. I super meant to tell you. But this just like happened really fast. And, you know, AMD hosted an event months ago. No, no, some some months ago, the phone call happened. But then what happened really suddenly was the deal got inked. And AMD had an event that they did earlier this week where they announced actually a bunch of really cool stuff. We'll talk about that a bit more later. Some Xan architecture stuff. And they were like, well, you're going to be at this event with an AMD badge on. So that's tomorrow. So I guess up goes a blog post at 1043 p.m. on December the 2nd. Oh, my goodness. Okay. Yeah. So that's what happened. And so pretty much he's going to be working at AMD to help implement the frame time based testing methods for game performance that he's been championing at Tech Report. And he'll have an opportunity to and I'm kind of summarizing his words in the thing because I don't want to say anything that he didn't say in his post to move across organizational lines and help ensure that the radio and technologies group creates the best possible experience for gamers. So he'll have access to engineering, to marketing, to pretty much whatever with the intention of making the gaming experience in the radio and technologies group, which I kind of looked at that announcement of radio and technologies group and kind of went, oh, okay. So they're kind of going, okay, we're going back to AMD and ATI now. And I kind of figured it would just kind of all be under the same management. It wouldn't really be different. Apparently, no, there's no refocused renewed vision and focus with under Roger Kuduri's leadership. And this is going to be a real thing. And they've managed to get Scott to drink the Kool-Aid. So I am inclined to take a sip of the Kool-Aid myself. Radio and technology. So is it RTG now instead of ATI? I don't know. New RTG 3 or 490. They should have just called it ATI. It would have been super cool. That would have been so sick. I actually would have loved that. Like if they called it like AMD, you know, how do we work like a visual or graphics or like, hmm. ATI X1000. Yeah, or like something. Something like that. Anyway. So yeah, that kind of shook me up earlier this week because between Scott and Anand, Bailling, that's a couple pretty big names. And one of the only really couple of the hardcore written guys that I'm that close to who's no longer in the space. Speaking of which, I haven't talked to Shrepp in a long time. I was just going to say Ryan. I asked Scott what's going to happen to Tech Report. Obviously, he'll be stepping down as editor in chief. But I don't know if you guys know this. Scott also owns the Tech Report. So it doesn't take a genius to figure out that he can't work for AMD and also run an editorial website and own an editorial website at the same time. So something's going to have to happen there. I asked him about it. I can't say anything that he said, but like, yeah, something will have to happen. I mean, basically, there's only a few options. He sells it. He dissolves it. He shuts it down. Wait, does that get to the two of those at the same time? From the knowledge that we have from the post, I don't think he's going to shut it down or dissolve it because it says Tech Report will continue under Jeff Kaepman, managing editor for the last year and a half. And they're looking for writers to fill his role on CPU and graphics cards. Yeah, so there you go. What a thing. Hopefully, this will help them avoid things like the driver problem. AMD drivers locking fan speeds at 20% and killing some CPUs. It's been patched. GPUs. GPUs, sorry. It's been patched. I don't usually like talking about these rumoury kind of things until they're done, so we know if they're actually a thing or not. Yeah, or like confirmed that it's an actual issue because, I mean, two people on a forum can have their GTX 980 die after a patch. And I'm not really going to want to test it. After a driver. Because I don't really want mine to die. Yeah. So like, I don't know. We're just going to wait until it's official and then we'll talk about it. So yeah, I had some people messaging me asking about why we haven't been talking about the driver thing. It's because like... Anyway, it was the thing. It is fixed now, so it is safe to update your drivers. But basically the fan speed was locking way too low. Either at 20% or some people apparently having it go up to 100%, so things were weird. I don't know. So it's fixed now. New patch. So we all know who to yell at next time this happens. You now have a public figure. Go for it. I don't know how forward-facing he's going to be. Yeah, but I'm sure his Twitter and stuff is still going to survive. I don't know. Maybe not. I mean... Is he going to delete his Twitter? Okay, so here's a couple things. Like, you look at Roy Taylor from AMD, whose Twitter disappeared off the face of the earth overnight and seems to be back. I think he's back on Twitter, but under a different handle. Oh. Yeah, it's Roy underscore Techwood. Whoa. And I had sort of... My initial reaction when I saw this... That's a fair amount of tweets. Yeah, no, this is new, but he's only got like 4,000 followers. He had like over 100,000 followers before. So the site is still AMD.com. I don't really understand what happened here. I don't know. Anyway, so it seems like someone at AMD learned their lesson about just letting employees talk on Twitter. Or maybe didn't, because he's back. I don't know. I don't know the backstory of what happened there. And, you know, just because someone is good at being public-facing doesn't mean that they'll be public-facing. I don't think you can ban someone from having a Twitter account, though. You can tell them not to post. Like, okay, have you heard anything from Anon since he left AnonTech? No, but that's... He's at Apple, though. I don't think... Yeah, but I don't think Apple is even able to tell you to not have a personal Twitter account. Of course, they could tell you... They could fire you for using it. They could fire you for saying things about Apple. Okay, that's possible. I don't think they can fire you for just using Twitter. But at the same time, like what I'm saying here, Scott might not reply to people. But if you're like, oh my god, what the hell, you could message him, and he could maybe forward that internally. You might never hear about it, but he still would probably be able to be contacted. Maybe. Maybe. It's possible. Unless he deletes his Twitter. Unless he deletes his Twitter. Very also possible. Speaking of deleting Twitter... Actually not related to deleting Twitter at all... Squarespace! One of our sponsors for today! You can have a Twitter feed on your Squarespace page. Which you can, actually. We know this from first-hand experience. We're working on a special Squarespace page for our CES coverage. Because Squarespace is going to be our main sponsor for CES this year. Oh, apparently the video feed is frozen. Oh, that's fine. That's a great freeze frame. We should just do the still image, Wancho. It's fine, don't worry. Don't even bother to fix it. It's cool. I wonder if they can see that. Oh yeah. And... See, this is the kind of crap that we go through. Oh wow. If you just add a whole bunch of them. If you were able to change the still frame, you could rapidly add them. And then we could have a moving picture. Like one, maybe less than one FPS. Okay, so let's find out if this is going to blue screen. You're a blue screen. I'm about to be, potentially. Okay. Did you ever play Magica? We'll be right back! After these messages. No wait, it was the messages that got interrupted. We'll be right back after we... I don't know. We're doing something. Hold on, we might have an idea. I'm going to keep talking to you guys. How's your day going? Before the show started, I did two quizzes. One of them was, what is your favorite type of apple? And the other one was waffles or pancakes. I'm going to actually make a straw poll right now. And I'm going to post that in the Twitch feed. I want you guys to answer both questions. Both questions are going to be on one straw poll. I know this is pretty next level. But we're going to do this right now. So give me one second. Straw poll dot me, right? That's interesting. Whoa, nope. Not straw poll dot me. Okay. Wait, what? It is. Let's try the old one. I'm confused. I'm trying to plug it back in. Apples and breakfast foods. Wow. How do I ask what people's favorite type of apple is on straw poll? Do I have to list all of them? I think so. Granny Smith. Twitter Blitz if you want to. Okay, we can do both at the same time. So I'm going to straw poll waffles or pancakes. I'm going to Twitter Blitz favorite apple. Okay, Twitter Blitz favorite apple. I don't think we're going to get this back up and running. This is a thing that happened that is not making me super happy right now. Video input. No signal. Wait. Did the camera turn off? No one's plugging the power adapter for the camera. Holy hell. I mean, Diablo, what? Really, you guys? Today, camera setup was a problem. Camera setup was a huge problem, like all over the place. Just saying. That was brutal. Yes. I'm in the middle of your show. I don't know what that means. Is that going to work now? You're going to work now. I hope so. And we're back, I hope. Are we back? Hello? Hello? Oh, wow, that's a derpy looking. Yeah. Woo. Without even losing it. Okay, so let's finish your Twitter blitz here, all right? And then we'll get back to our sponsors. There we go. All right, waffles and Golden Delicious because they are waffle. Granny Smith. Excuse me, delicious. Granny Smith? Granny Smith is like the most boring name for the most sour, intense apple that there is. I love Granny Smith apples. Me too. Granny Smith was covered in caramel. Those were also the best candy apples that I've ever had. Yeah, yeah, my wife made candy apples this Halloween. Like buy a lot, too. To die for. Yeah. And you'd think there's nothing to it. Like, what, it's caramel, which is basically sugar. Yep. And you dip a freaking apple in it. How complicated is this? But the thing is she did caramel and then she did chocolate and then she did smarties? Just decorative candies. M&Ms or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lots of different candies. Like it was a lot. Your mouth was just like, whoa, dude, like the whole time. Favorite Apple iPad Pro with full-end VME SSD and running Windows. Poor Granny Smith. That's actually pretty legit. Gotcha. I would actually, I would be into that. I'd be super down with that. Thanks for Apple. Thank you, Kitsutv123. Granny Smith all the way. Granny Smith and waffles. Probably Fuji, Galar, or Braeburn. Yeah, okay, okay. I'm into the Fuji apples. I'm into the Fuji apples. All right, so let's get back to... Whoa. Squarespace. Whoa, yeah. Although it only works on my side. Squarespace build-it trippy. Ah, there's four lidases to only one Luke. No, my chest is here. Look at this. Oh yeah, that's true. We get all the Luke boobage. Okay, so I'm going to fix that. I don't really know what I was thinking when I did that. I was a little confused. I thought you were just trying to make a joke. I was. I was just dicking around. Yeah. Okay, so Squarespace is actually going to be our sponsor at CES this year. Oh my God, how many times I didn't... How many times are we going to say build-it beautiful? Are they on every video? Yeah. Yes. I can feel the dankness of the memes already on PC Master Race. Last year was Linus dropping things. This year it's going to be build-it beautiful. I'm going to be way too happy to say that every time. Okay, so what is Squarespace if you don't already know from watching the WAN show faithfully every week like you probably do? Yep. Maybe not. Yeah, maybe not. Is that it is for building a beautiful website. It's simple to use. It's powerful. It's got a web GUI. You just kind of build your site there and then boom, it's up. Squarespace handles the hosting so you don't have to deal with any of that crap. They've got 24-7 tech support and all of their templates are featuring responsive designs that look great on a phone. They look great on a full-size screen. 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I might be onto something here anyway. The problem is then the people that are receiving the lobbying money wouldn't get paid so that would never happen. Right. Because it's all about them being super rich. I know. I know but like. You're basically like if people weren't dickholes about making excessive amounts of money imagine how good the world would be. Yes. Okay so tunnel bear. Speaking of not being that word he said that some people consider a swear word. Is it? Yeah I don't. Yeah some people censor dick. Swear words are so confusing. I actually never know what like. I know. And there's lists out there but then there's. I know. Competing lists and some of them are drastically different. I know I know I know. Anyway tunnel bear. The easy to use VPN that hopefully doesn't mind us using naughty words while we talk about their service with the lower third on the screen. Tunnel bear does not in any way endorse the use of the word dhole. That sounds worse. It does. Okay. 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Alright so now that Nick has informed me that he is not that likely to suffer from heart disease so if he's to get some kind of disease from us messing up our sponsor integrations all the time it will probably be cancer. Oh okay. So I've been corrected. I don't know. I don't know what's worse. Well they're both terrible. Yeah. They're both like absolutely. Are they both just like at the full volume level? Like you can't really get any more than that? I don't know because there's like oh speaking of heart disease. I found out Rocket has a heart murmur. What? Yeah so he might have to be on like blood thinners for the rest of his life. That's interesting. Whoa. Yeah so like pet insurance kids. That's a thing. No I don't have it. Oh. So that's going to be expensive. Oh dear. Because I'm pretty sure you can't buy pet insurance for in case he develops a heart murmur when he already has one. That said my vet's a family friend. Maybe they could discover it. Has not developed yet. I recommend using an honest vet. It's probably a good idea yeah. So this was posted on the forum by Evil Emur. Tiger Direct to, oops wrong scene, Tiger Direct to lay off 241 workers in January. They were recently sold to PC mall for 14 million dollars. You know what's crazy about this is like my memories of Tiger Direct are like back in the days at NCIX you know eight to three years ago when they were like a legit competitor in the PC space and it was like the big three was your new egg, your tiger and like I'm just trying to think who else was like a big, I don't even think Amazon was. I was just going to say not quite yet but they definitely are now. But like Tiger came, no it would have been Zip Zoom, Zip Zoom Fly. Oh yeah, they've gone forever. So it was like back when like Tiger Direct and CompUSA who was actually acquired by Tiger Direct. That's what a big deal they were. They were just running around buying up CompUSA stores. So they closed a bunch of stores a while ago and they have gotten rid of, they've sold to PC mall which I've actually discovered only recently that the reason that they probably liquidated all those assets is actually to do with taxation purposes because if you sell a company and you more than less than 10% or something to do with being like active assets or something like that. Like if it's like just sitting there, if you have like a bunch of money sitting there or a bunch of buildings sitting there then you get taxed a lot more on that or something. That's okay. Things I would never know. Yeah. Alright, why don't we blow through some of these sort of boring things. Tweaktown article, Nvidia rumored to be preparing a GeForce GTX 960 Ti. It'll be faster than a 960 but slower than a 970. And you can take that to the bank. Sam Strecker posted that on the forum. The Radeon Fury X2 Gemini could be paper launching later this month according to WCCF Tech. Availability in Q1 2016 could face potential delays. I think that says everything we need to know right in the headline. What will Gemini be? It will be two Fury GPUs on a single card. Nvidia seems to have kind of just bailed on the whole dual GPU thing. Good! Oh God. So done with it. Don't want it. Oh, there's a new gate. There's a new gate? There's a new gate. It's bendgate again. But this time, check this out. It's CPU bendgate. So Intel is looking into reports but says there could be several variables at play. But apparently using the rated mounting pressure, aftermarket CPU coolers, which by the way, if you bought a Skylake K-series processor is all you're going to be using since there is no stock cooler that comes in the box. You could buy a box cooler from someone else who isn't using it. Speaking of which, we need to get some box coolers. We have like two 1151 box coolers left in the entire building. Yeah, I don't know what happened to that. What happened to the one I painted black? Remember we had the pyramid? Yeah, we had a literal pyramid of them. What happened to them all? I made a pyramid because I was like, I have too many of these in my office so I built a pyramid on someone else's desk as a joke and then didn't want them back. Yeah, they're all gone. There's one that I can't figure out what it's for because it's not 775, it's smaller than 1155 but bigger than 775. I don't know what the crap it is. It's an Intel box cooler. So like, I don't know. Anyway, so yeah. Where's the black one? I don't know! I liked that one. Right? I actually used it quite a few times. Because it looked really nice in B-roll. Yeah, exactly. Well, you know what, there's probably one in this box. But isn't that... Yep, that's the black one. No. Okay, well we found that one. There it is! It's in the stream machine. Maybe that's what's causing all the problems. Take it out. Take out the painted CPU cooler. It's getting paint flakes on everything. So right, so Haswell CPUs apparently had a thicker substrate that caused them to not bend and that's the allegation. But Intel has obviously neither confirmed nor denied that this is the case up until this point. Scythe has offered a solution offering new screws for their coolers to reduce the mounting pressure. I didn't even know Scythe was still in business. Neither did I. Okay. Do you remember that crazy one that went across your entire computer? Yes I do. I forget what it was called though. I don't remember. Like a MuGan? Sure. Scythe, Giant, CPU... This will probably work. I know that Cooler Master had a redonk one that... Nope, that's not the one. Oh! Yeah, there it is. Yep. There you go. So this picture is from Silent PC review. Just making sure I'm giving credit where credit is due. So yep. It's probably not all that silent. No, it probably is. Oh, you just turn them all super slow? Yeah, if you run the fans at like 400 RPM or something stupid like that then here it is installing the case. I love that thing. It's like yeah. If you want to just you know heat up your graphics card more. No! Look, it's gonna blow air on top of it. Okay yeah, but like the surface area of this thing is so huge that the actual heating up of the air that's being done... This is actually something that I've been meaning... We should find a way to tackle this in a video because a lot of people have this misconception that like when you got it... when your CPU is 70 degrees your heat sink is gonna be less than that. Let's say your heat sink is at 40 degrees or something like that and people have this misconception that when 25 degree air runs through those fins it's 40 degrees on the other side and you're now heating up the components on the other side. This is not how it works at all. A little bit. A little. A little much. Slightly warmer airflow that came through a heat sink is still better than nothing. And so I've seen people go, oh my goodness Linus, you mounted that CP, that all-in-one liquid cooler backwards drawing air into the system. Now you're just heating your graphics card. No. The air that comes through that cooler is still cooler than my graphics card. I was mostly joking. No, I know but people aren't. I know you know. But people don't know this. People are like, oh you've got two radiators in series. Well we were gonna do that other... I don't know, I don't want to say too much. No yeah, that's different. I think we should tackle this separately. No I know but it's another one of those like people think it's the worst thing in the world. Right, yeah that's true. It's not really that big of a deal. John had another interesting idea which I don't know if there's enough interest in but with the thing that I was recently checking out, that's all I'm gonna say. I actually don't know what you're talking about either so you guys are on the same page as me. Motherboard orientation cooling efficiency. That's a good one. Like those Silverstone ones where it's like up and the I.O. goes out. Like how well does it cool different things compared to it being rotated. Used to be a bigger deal. Back in the earlier days of heat pipes, they were only really effective in a certain direction. So inverted motherboards would have issues where if you mounted the cooler wrong, the liquid wouldn't condense properly down to the hottest, down to the CPU part of the heat sink and then it wouldn't actually cycle properly but it's not really a concern anymore. I wanted to jump back to the things don't, you know, a cooling medium doesn't get instantly hot after it touches something in the loop that's warm. People who freak out if you've got your CPU and then your GPU in series in a water cooling loop. The difference between the temperature of the water at the hottest point in a loop and the coldest point in the loop is except in very extreme situations with very low airflow or excuse me, very low water flow, probably in the neighborhood of about 0.1 to 0.2 degrees. Seriously, it's a thing. Unless you're running like quarter inch tubing on a pump that you like found in your, you know, grandma's... That place where you got all your stuff from scrap yard. Yeah. Unless you found it in a back alley somewhere. So no, the system reaches pretty much equilibrium. This is a fluid. This is flowing extremely quickly. Really quickly. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the channels are like really narrow. Yeah. It goes really, really fast. Water does more than just cool by convection when it's running around in a loop like that. Water can conduct heat within itself as well. It spreads really quickly. It's kind of amazing. All right. So what else we got? Any mechanical engineer can confirm in chat. Boom. Thank you. Thank you. It's really funny because the fact that he's backing me up on this means that I'm going thank you, but 98% of the time when someone's like, I'm actually a mechanical engineer and blah, it's probably nonsense on the internet. Yeah. Because everyone, like as soon as we start doing whole room water cooling, our entire audience is plumbers. So many plumbers, apparently watch us. And my favorite part was, okay, there was definitely some information in there that was like, okay, we probably should have done that. There's some great information. There was also a ton of people claiming to be experts that had no idea what they were saying. And yes, we know we screwed up on the room. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It was a disaster, but not for the reasons that most people think it was a disaster. There was a lot of stuff that we did that was fine and a lot of stuff we did that was super not okay. Speaking of super not okay, or maybe fine, geez, I don't know. I am Dark Yoshi posted this on the forum. The original post here is from F.org. Your printer could be spying on you, which it sounds more ominous than it probably is because the way that they're using this technology, at least we think, I mean, at least we would have no reason to think they would be using it in any other way, is to track counterfeiting. So now that affordable, high quality printers are so affordable and high quality. I'm going to jump in here real quick. AntVenom, he's in the chat right now. Remember how he did the basement water cooling thing? Still running perfectly. Because he did it right by not using a steel reservoir. I thought stainless would be fine. I was wrong. Twice. I thought anti-corrosive agents would make it okay. I was wrong. Twice. Okay, so basically right here you've got a list of the printers that do or do not display tracking dots. But the summary of this is basically, and this goes back way to when Xerox invented the laser printer. What they do is they actually use scattered pale yellow dots all over the document that they printed to give the serial number of the machine as well as I think there's some other information as well. So Xerox rep says they put the number of each machine coded into the yellow dots. The dots cover less than one thousandth of a page and they can't be seen by the naked eye because it's usually yellow on white. So what you have to do is you have to print a page and use a blue LED flashlight and a magnifier to see if they're there. And there's pretty much, I mean where there's a will there's a way, but there's pretty much no way to block this from happening because the yellow dots are actually something like twenty thousandth of a second blah blah blah before the actual printing happens they're like injected. What if you don't fill yellow? I don't know. Great question. I don't know. Or like fill it with something else. Yeah, I don't know. Aha! There you go. Anyway, so something something. Wow, that's interesting. How does that actually help them, I guess for counterfeiting stuff? Yes. So if you get a bunch of counterfeit bills and you're kind of wondering, okay where did these come from? You can inspect it, try to see if the yellow dots are there for you, what printer it was from. But like having the serial number of the printer is that really going to help you? Yeah, that'll tell you what distributor it went through, it'll tell you what retailer it was sold through. Okay, so you could narrow it down to an area. Yeah, so now you can tell you when it was sold, so you can see a purchase pattern. If it was Amazon, you could probably have the person's address. Yeah, so no, it's like a big deal. Or even a lot of other stores, like there's lots of stores that collect customer profiles. I mean I would hope that a counterfeiter would be smart enough not to fill out the customer satisfaction survey or whatever. I would hope that they weren't. Yeah, okay, I would hope that they weren't. But I would, you know. I know what you were saying. I was going to say to restore my faith in humanity, except the fact that the counterfeiters are running out there making fake money doesn't restore any of my faith in humanity, so not really my point. You don't want it to happen, but you would hope that someone wouldn't be that stupid. Someone made a case for you. So this was supposed to be by Numlock21. What? You were talking about this just the other week. Oh yeah, but they didn't know about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So someone actually made a DIY Mac Pro case. I was talking to Linus about maybe doing a video where I went and tried to buy like a bin or garbage can or whatever that looked kind of like it, and trying to make like the curved top thing and all that kind of stuff to make it look like a Mac Pro and building a computer into it, and then literally what, the next WAN show? Yeah. It's like, hey, they made a case. Now to be clear, you can't put dual Fire Pro cards in it or anything like that. It holds an SFX power supply and ITX motherboard, and I think like one 120 mil fan or something like that, but hey, there you go. That's cool. I think we should try and get one for review if we can. That'd be fun. I'd love to just like check it out. Here, maybe I'll make that your problem. Oh great. But for review, because it's like only available in like Japan or something. So if we send a message and they ignore it, then we won't go too far into it. So don't expect it. Yeah, don't expect it. But I am trying to get that flip phone. Nice. Actually, dbrand is trying to get that flip phone. No way. Because they have all the contacts to like get all the phones. So even though it's not a device thing. Are they going to put like a more expensive skin than the actual phone on it? No, they actually, they aren't planning to support it. They're just like being bros. That makes sense. Yeah. They're kind of bros. So we're into their broness. Let's see. Oh yeah. Just Cause 3 suffers from terrible frame rates on the consoles. This is posted over at thegamescabin.com. And basically, you have the headline here is bloody awful. Which I guess pretty much says all you really need to know about it. It was a matter of, oh, well, dang it. Did we just take them down? I don't think so. Because I, yeah, there we go. So yeah, basically they're saying, yeah, you know, it's like, especially bad when there's an explosion. Yes. Yep. Lots of effects on screen. That is how frame rate dips work. Oh crap. I just moved the thing around before I tripped it. Anyways, okay. But the worst part they're actually saying too, is that load screens. Anywhere from 30 seconds to what was the, what was the topic? Two and a half minutes I think? Two and a half minutes. Two and a half minutes, yeah. On the PlayStation 4. That's like Morrowind Xbox One level. Yeah, that is a bummer. Apparently though the game's lots of fun. So yeah, I've heard really good things. We probably should have done a performance review. Probably. I didn't even know it came out. Yeah, I do. I've been so head down working on stuff. I didn't, yeah. I actually. Someone was like, yeah, it's tons of fun. Are you guys making videos? I was like, oh crap. If it's already out, it's probably a little late now. Oops. Um. Alright, what else we got here? It was, I think we got like 10 minutes left. No, I was gonna kind of wrap it up actually. Alright. Um. A little bit? Yeah, no. I think that's kind of boring actually. Yeah, I don't really care. Uh, there was, no, there was something else I wanted to do. Where is it? I'm doing an after party. Are you? Yeah. Alright. Can I come? Sure. I mean. Oh, oh, nope, can't talk about that. Uh, Konami. Konami, uh, banned Hideo Kojima from accepting the Metal Gear Award. What the hell? Yeah, this was like not cool. It's like they, it's like they desperately want to be the least popular company on the entire internet. Just, what? Or you could not. That would be super awesome. Um. Not allowed to attend tonight's game awards. Yep. So, I don't really have anything to say about that other than that it's Konami being Konami. And uh, oh, this is interesting. More Just Cause 3 news. This is off the, off GeForce.com. Just Cause 3 apparently straight up not compatible with multi GPU solutions. In other words, a game update would be required for multi GPU support. This is straight from Andrew Burns from Nvidia. Um, which is sort of a bummer. So it's like they couldn't get it right on the consoles. Remember that card that like, I laughed when he was like, yeah, Nvidia stopped doing this a while ago when they put two GPUs on the same card. And charged you twice as much for it? There's reasons. Yeah, but you're running SLI now. For VR. Yeah, okay. I really hope no VR dev is stupid enough to not properly support. I don't know if they're going to be able to. I think VR SLI is like. Rendering the different eye views per card. Yes, but. But wouldn't that interface with the headset more than the game? I don't know because I really would have thought. I'm not sure. I don't know how they. I would have thought if it was that simple, we would have seen perfect scaling with 3D vision. With SLI. Like I would have thought if it was as simple as like, yeah, I'll just render each eye with one GPU and boom, perfect scaling. I don't think it's simple, but I'm assuming that it has more to do with the interface between the graphics cards and the headset than. Oh, I believe it's not simple. I just think Nvidia is pretty smart and they've been kind of, they were beating that 3D vision drum pretty hard for a long time. And if it was like, if it was as simple as GPU one renders the right eye, GPU two renders the left eye. I'd have thought they would have just figured that out back then, but I don't know. I don't know. I am not a driver. My VR or my SLI is off. I just don't run it because there's so many problems and I just don't. Basically every single game that I play. Even like even pretty intense games don't need more than one 980. Yeah, I haven't run it since GTX 260. That was the last time I went in a daily driver. It's off. And like we stopped benchmarking SLI probably about two and a half years ago just because it was like, you know what? There's tons of problems. It's hard enough to get a video review, a video card review out without forcing ourselves to suffer and like just like have games not work and not run properly and stuff. So I mean, it's one of those things. Nothing against Nvidia, nothing against AMD. I just, I run a single graphics card because frankly there's single GPU solutions that are so powerful now. Someone's like, yo, can I have your unused 980 then? It's not going to be unused. VR SLI from Nvidia. Yeah, man. I'm stoked for that. I really hope it works well. A thing. And I'm going to be playing the crap out of VR games if Valkyrie is like, and okay, I almost don't even care that much about any games outside of what CCP is making. I haven't talked about this a ton on the show. But their disc throwing Tron game is so much fun. Like you would love it. No joke. You stand, you stand, it's, have you seen the Tron where they stand on the platforms and throw discs at each other and block with shields? It's exactly that. And it's like pretty good tracking because they use connects for body tracking and stuff. And like the disc can bounce behind you and you can hear them. So you have to like spin around and block it and then throw and like, it's really active, tons of fun. I played against Colton, just wrecked him. It would be fun to have a more athletic opponent. Sorry, Colton. He admittedly doesn't think he's very good at sports. I don't know. Sorry buddy. But it was like 29 to four or something. So like, I don't know what to say. But so much fun. And then Valkyrie is super fun and Gun Jack is super fun. And then like there was some demo of another game there where you just like slowly walk up a mountain and look at birds. And I'm like, that's really cool. And I'm sure some people were super enjoy that. I definitely, there is a market for that for sure. It's just not me. Right. I don't care. All right. Well, I think that's pretty much it for the show for today. So I'm the last thing I'll do is I will drop this link in here. If you haven't already go watch this video. It is finally out on YouTube. It's actually, I thought it was supposed to be a week earlier. We actually totally screwed up our production schedule. Thought it was. We screwed up our production schedule on the super fun jousting video where we thought that for awesome stuff week for YouTube, we thought we had to have it done a week earlier than we did. So we thought awesome stuff week was a week earlier than it was. So we released it on vessel timed to come out a week later on YouTube for awesome stuff week, but that was actually the following week. So we had to do a simultaneous vessel release of odious lists and then delay the swag list way jousting video by another week. Oh yeah, I was going to talk more about Zen and some of the stuff that they talked about. Right. So AM4 motherboards rumored to launch as early as March 2016 and they're going to be DDR4 fully modernized and have both CPUs and APUs on the platform. So if you guys haven't checked it out already, I just linked it in the chat, but this video is absolutely sick. I mean, this should give you some idea of what's in store for you. Okay, well that one's kind of lame because it's me versus Taron. But okay, yeah, there we go. There's a good moment. This is like way too much fun and way too dangerous. I would not recommend anybody do this. I'd love to do it again. Yeah, me too. So yeah, you guys are going to want to check that out. I'll post the link one more time. If you are not subscribed to the channel, super fun. Holy crap, get subscribed you guys and share it. We can't figure out why more people aren't watching these videos. I actually don't understand. I don't get it. All right. So thanks guys. We'll see you again next week. Same bat time, same bat channel. Bye. Bye. There's a channel that has like 25,000 subscribers that did a medieval weapons fighting on Spud Waves video. I found it on YouTube somehow. They don't even put full armor on. They have like the worst of home sword lovers. And it has like children. And are like super sick, crazy for value, wearing full armor and slamming each other jokes. Are we doing an after party? I was kind of just going to go home. Okay. I'm going to go home and do my after party. Okay. Good night guys.