 Welcome to the WAN Show, guys. The show where every week we have technical difficulties out the wazoo. In fact, our mic isn't even positioned correctly anymore because we just scooched over on the couch. Ah! That's okay, Brandon's coming back in to fix it for us. The audio setup's going perfectly...... Yeah, I know, right? But it's okay, we have a compressor now, so at least........................................................................................................................ Sweet. So that's going to be a Corsair exclusive at the beginning at least, but we'll see what happens. I mean, that's a really funny one to me. I mean, maybe they have money into co-developing it or something like that, because there are bigger mechanical keyboard guys than Corsair by a lot, but there you go, exclusivity for at least a little while. DisplayPort 1.3 is being talked about, so we're gonna see a bandwidth increase from something along the lines of 5.4 gigabit per second and DisplayPort 1.2 to 8.4 gigabit per second. 4K resolution displays and all kinds of other cool stuff. Up to 8K. Did I say 4K? Because I meant 8K. So once again, HDMI patch up. Our special guest today is Barnacles. So he's a fellow YouTuber. I'm just gonna go ahead and throw the little lower third on there. So there's like glasses on him or something. Edsel made this lower third to make him happy or something. All right, what else we got for topics this week? OCZ was bought out by Toshiba in a deal that was worth slightly more than just OCZ buying the Indulix controller, which is interesting. And we're gonna discuss the possible end of AMD FX processors again. Possible? Possible. All right, welcome to the show, guys. So let's get started. All right, guys. So our sponsor this week is Squarespace. So you can head over to squarespace.com slash Linus. 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I didn't bring that part up at all. Yeah, well, it was there. It was there. So let's jump into our first topic of very MX RGB keyboards. This is something that I'm sure there are at least two people in this room that are excited about. So the original article that we tracked down here was on Hexis and that. Looking at that hurts my. Well. Oh, no, it's kind of close. Somewhat close, close-ish. It hurts. Yeah, okay, it's wrong. So guys, the W should probably be more like about here with a slight overlap on the A and the S line right here. So it should be slightly overlapping the A. But you know what? It's okay because the news is good enough that I'm willing to let this one slide. I think it's all good. So we're gonna be looking at individual RGB LED lighting inside every single key switch. Now, I'm gonna play devil's advocate here for a moment. And I'm going to talk about what could be negative about this. Okay. I've already run into quite a few situations with individually backlit Cherry MX keyboards that have a single backlight go out. And then all of a sudden the keyboard is now useless. Now think about this in terms of RMA rates. Something with a defective than 1% is pretty darn good. That's really, really good. So you look at PS4, okay? So they had the HDMI issue, but then they came out and they're like, okay, well, hold on a second. It's only like 0.4% of units, which is actually good. That's solid. Okay. So a typical keyboard has 104 keys, meaning it will have approximately 100 backlights. And then if we go RGB on it, means every keyboard, what just happened? That means every backlight is 100 backlights-ish. Which means the chance of something being wrong with your keyboard is extremely high. Now you could go, okay, well, hold on. The keyboards have had RGB issues. But the way that they do it is different. They do it in zones or across the whole keyboard with a few LEDs below and then a diffuser layer. So- Maybe this reduces. If there's three LEDs, you lose a third of your possible colors. What if you lose two of your LEDs? I would like to say that that was not me. What just happened? But then you can't maybe have your favorite color. But then, okay, are you willing to RMA a keyboard once if it means you can have RGB backlight? If you were like, okay, well, there's a good chance I'm just gonna have to- Like in comparison to RB? In comparison to just not having any, any customization. Yeah, just single color. Are you willing to take that risk? It's like, I'm gonna pay a bunch extra. It might be defective, but damn it, I want it. I want that RGB backlighting. Oh, you mean when you're buying? Like that was a weird way of asking me that question. Because you said, would you be willing to RMA your keyboard? And I was like, yeah. Yeah, it's okay. So if, would you be willing to take the risk of getting a defective one if that meant that you could have this awesome new feature? There's gonna be very many defective ones. So yes, probably. Okay, all right. So it's coming in a variety of keyswitch flavors. I kind of freaked out because when I saw the Corsair press announcement, they only had this one. I sent like the most- Email ever to our Corsair PR contact. I was like, dude, Hey. Did you send them that survey thing? Yeah, I did. I sent it. There was a thing on board subreddit that was switch and like red was like tiny. The problem with that though is it's- It's really, it's a specific audience. It's a small sample size and it's a specific audience because Cherry MX Reds are marketed to gamers. I don't think gamers are sitting around in our mechanical keyboards. They're playing games. There's definitely- It is a- And they voted for Cherry MX Red. And it's not, yeah, yeah, that's a good point. And it's not a, it's yeah, it's not a broad audience and it's not a perfect survey. See, and I saw this image too and I was like, what? That's the only one clear. So how would the transparent case is how the LEDs are gonna- Anyway, I was freaking out, but everything's good. So we're going to see it integrated on different key switch types. It is gonna be Corsair exclusive for an undisclosed period of time, which I'm okay with because just Corsair might not be as big of a player in keyboards as they are in something like memory or power supplies. I don't have- It's about their mechanical keyboards. K70's pretty sweet. K70's pretty sweet. With everyone in the- Huge fan of K60's. Yeah, oh, I wasn't a big fan of the K60 either. Cherry MX Red only, which neither of us are- No. Particularly fond of. And it had some issues with BIOS detection. So that's all the K70 and they have additional switch types. You know, I talked to Corsair about it and this was really interesting. Cause they were like, I was like, okay, well hold on with the RGB ones. You guys are going to have like lots of switch types, right? And they were like, well, okay Linus, think about this. Okay. We've got different bodies, right? Some people got big bodies, slim bodies, sexy bodies, keyboard bodies, sorry. So they have different keyboard layouts. 104 key, they got the short one. That's the K65, I think, something like that. They've got the K- K- K- K- K- K- Then they got regional. Keep going. Then they got regional differences. So they're going to have different layouts. Then they've got key switches. Keyboard companies start adding backlight colors. And then all of a sudden, like what is essentially like a keyboard. And you've got 300 SKUs. So I'm like, okay, so you're going to have like the RGB version and the not RGB version. And you're going to have the brown and the black and the red and the green and the clear. I don't know the- You don't need all those. They're not even all those. They're only doing it on four. So they wouldn't have green and clear. But the point is that you're going to end up with a lot of SKUs. And I understand why we don't necessarily get to have our cake and eat it too. So we're going to see what SKUs they come out with. We are definitely having a look at this at CES. I don't know if I told you this, but we are the first press booking suite. Nice. You probably saw my note. So we are- Oh, and yes, I will- Yeah. So this was on Luke's notes for this. Actually, I'm just going to, I'll screen here, check this out. So control plus plus. Okay. I'm sure Linus will check these at CES, grumble. And I'm totally going to send him to like, I don't know, Phanteks at the same time. Mind you, they may have some cool stuff on display. They reached out to me today. So I'll set that up with you. So we got to get samples. I want to see these. I'm definitely doing the course. I asked Corsair, I was like, whatever demo one you guys are showing off at the show, can I just like take it after the show? We'll do like really nice glam footage of it and everything. We just want to play with it. And he's like, yeah, that one is pretty Frankenstein. It's going to have like, it's going to have like a modded like, hand modded it. Speaking of hand modded, a G-Sync monitor has arrived, which I haven't had the chance to play games on yet, but I'm going to this weekend for sure. I've seen a whole bunch of spam in the chat about the G-Sync thing. Yeah, I'm going to this weekend for sure. And the G-Sync monitor is so, like it is the most, one of the most engineering sample things that I have ever gotten. That is unlisted. Please change that to public. Thank you. It is one of the most engineering sample things I've ever received. It says prototype on a sticker on the back. Okay, like it's an Asus monitor and it's like prototype on the back. And then on the back and it has like, it has like an Nvidia vinyl wrap on it that's obviously designed for show use. Like it wouldn't send that to a reviewer. Reviewers don't care what the looks like. And then you look at the bottom of it, inputs like the DVI and HDMI inputs are just gone. Like the holes are there, but they just rip them out because it only supports G-Sync over display port. And then the power plug is just gone. And it comes with like this random, like huge power brick, DC jack in the middle of the AC like level. I'm just like, wow, that's cool. I love it. Apparently we're dropping a few frames. I'm not sure what the deal is with that, but hopefully you guys can endure. Yeah, it's not a ton, it's not too many. All right, so let's move on to our next topic here. This was actually something we talked about a little while ago. So let's go ahead and scroll here. So the article here is from Legit Reviews and it's ECS to begin making ASUS motherboards. Now, okay, that might sound a lot crazier than it actually is. So what's up? Hmm? What's up? What's up? What's up? We're lagging a little bit. What's up? We're good. Okay, so that might actually sound a lot crazier than it actually is because something a lot of people don't know about ECS is that they are, or at least they were not that long ago, still considered a tier one manufacturer, not because their retail business, like their retail ECS boards sold particularly well or frankly were particularly good, but because as far as just contract manufacturing goes, there was nothing wrong with that. They know how to do it on a PCB. They know how to manufacture something and put it in a box for you and produce it. So they would do a lot of OEM manufacturing where their retail branded stuff just really wasn't that important. So what? Oh, okay, whatever. We know it's old news, but I just wanted to clarify because some people were kind of freaking out because holy cow, ASUS' quality is gonna go down. ASUS' engineering will still, the only reason for them to do this is just that they want to extend their, Tron, so I don't know if you guys know this, but ASUS and Pegatron used to be the same company and they split whereas ASUS' the branding and engineering and marketing, Pegatron was a spin-off pure manufacturing. Pegasus. Yeah, yeah. So Pegatron wants to be able to take business from otherwise might be ASUS' competitors and they don't want to give ASUS a bunch of money so they can manufacture through Pegatron and then ASUS wants to manufacture through Pegatron and someone else, but then MSI and Gigabyte and all the history there are not going to want to manufacture anything for ASUS. That's not gonna happen. So it looks like ECS with their much weaker retail business and have come to a gigabyte and MSI do. So that's where all of that comes. Still kind of surprised that we see a lot of stuff. I love this chat, unpaid by Nvidia. Sure. For what? I don't know. Unpaid by Nvidia. Has Nvidia ever given us money? No. Actually the one time Nvidia gave us money, this is kind of a funny story. Yeah, yeah, the one time Nvidia gave us money. Oh no, they did, they ran some pre-rolls like, but it wasn't very much. The one time in the, given us money was actually when we got our sample of GTX 780 and it was being with import duty. And they told me they'd reimburse me. And it took them like three months and they cash cause they couldn't figure out how to send me money cause I'm not properly in their system. Ha ha ha. Well, no, because you had to spend that much money to get that much money. Yes. That's like saying you went to the casino with 20 bucks and came out with 20 bucks and you made $20. Yes. So, so Nvidia gives us money. All right, let's go ahead and, oh man, my thing is like super zoomed in now. We can do a really quick topic. Yeah, let's do a quick one. There's a whole bunch of them. We have a whole lot of those. So, $200. And they also released information about two other models. That's awesome. Cause I actually thought they released information about two models. One of which is a 20 version, which is not the ultra sharp glass monitor that the, but it's still a 4K model and it's in 28 inches. That'll be a thousand dollars. I'm actually not interested in that one at all. If I'm going to drop a thousand dollars on a monitor, then I'm going to drop 1400 on one that doesn't. I don't think it'll suck, but it won't be ultra sharp. It's TN. Is it TN? Didn't you say it was TN? Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. It might not be TN. All I knew was that it wasn't an ultra sharp. Oh, okay. I thought you had told me it was TN. Okay, if it's not TN, then maybe we're, maybe we can still talk. I'm not entirely sure what it is, but it's not ultra sharp. Cause if it was like a TN thousand dollar monitor, then that's just ridiculous. I mean, if it's VA or something, then we'll talk. And then there's a 32 inch model that is still an ultra sharp model, which is $3,500. But like, yeah, it's a 32 inch 4K. Oh, I'm so excited. It's been so long since Dell has flexed their muscles in terms of, you know, leading the market in monitors. And I'm really, really excited about this. So this was posted by you better not on the forum. And honestly, the 24 inch at 1400, it makes sense that that's the one that they leaked and started talking to, talking about, because that's the one that I'm extremely excited about. It's still too much. I'm not buying in, but it's in that range where I'll see people start doing it. And like it's in the range where maybe we can start getting 4K benchmarks sooner than we thought we might be. Like maybe not this monitor, but there's probably gonna be competitors and stuff. Cause it's been kind of hilarious for a while where it's just like monitors have gone from being valuable and important to just being this totally commodity, just like crappy, stupid thing. Wasn't that long ago, like gamers invested in high end monitors. Now I think that someone somewhere expected at 3000 plus dollars to be that thing again. But that was never gonna happen. I mean, I remember having a conversation with AMD where they were saying, 90X is designed for 4K. And we think that someone buying this card will buy a 4K monitor. I was like, well, no, that card. And then they'll run it on their 10 or two and a half K monitor until they can afford a 4K monitor. And I think a thousand plus or minus is that magic price point where someone will do it. A guy with the crazy desk PC that has a thousand liquid cooling in it, we do it. Yeah. It's, I'm not gonna see too many of these in bill blogs except for like the crazy ones. Yeah. But at least it'll show up in a bill blog. I still haven't seen a bill block with. I love the PC master race idea, edit slash PC master race, whatever. The, the rock that goes on a lot there is not really a thing too much. I, okay, hold on. I don't necessarily agree with that because I think that the availability is going to be the option. They say the same for, yes. We're going to have an option way sooner than the console guys. The only thing I don't like in it is the, I'm over here running 4K while you run your 720P. Well, no, you're probably not. That's like saying I'm over here running Oculus. You're not yet. Okay. And it's going to be amazing. Actually there yet. Yeah. But like it's coming. We will have the option. That is very cool. Yeah. All about the options. Oh, it has a built-in card reader. Hooray. Mine does too. I actually kind of liked that. There doesn't seem to be any word on, it will support a single display port cable driving the entire thing. But to be clear guys, only three cable, but the, so far the ASUS and the sharp models require two cables and then they're using the split, as having the whole panel be one thing. So this one, so it says it has HDMI in display port and many display port inputs. And I hope that with display port and many display port. All right. Let's do maybe one more quick one and then we'll bring on Barna Clees. Sure. What quick one do you want to do? Let's do console sales. Whole. Alls. Well, particularly. So PS4 beat the fastest selling console in the UK, which used to be the PSP at 185,000 in 48 hours. And they got 250. Which is beast. And that was 66% higher than Xbox one and a hundred thousand. I fully, I mean, when I was, when I was, I fully didn't expect the PS4 to be beating it. I was, I was unsure and then that scale is insane. Oh God. I has no PSP did in the UK, in the UK, in the UK, just to be clear, we're talking UK numbers. It has sold more than we you lifetime that number being at 2.1 million units as of December 1st, again in the UK, such a, such a sad thing, such a very sad thing. Pretty, pretty ridiculous. I don't know if that 2.1 million unit one is as of UK. I mean, the thing about, the thing about, the thing about the PlayStation 4 is that it actually represents a fairly compelling value. I mean, we're not huge console gamers by any stretch of the imagination at all. I know, but, but we did our console comparison and we did play around with the image quality of a PC versus Xbox one versus PS4 versus. Was that computer that we had was upgradable? Yeah, oh, I mean, there's all the usual PC and there's all the usual console arguments. Well, okay, but I can get resistance or okay, but I can just put a disc in it and I can sit down and I can play. After you wait for the download. After you wait for the download in the pad. It's amazing how much more like PC gaming console is becoming all. If we're doing those image quality comparison, be like, all right, we're gonna move to the next console. Oh, I have to wait for the huge download. Oh, no way. Absolutely brilliant. So, oh my goodness, I didn't change the title of the show. When show live now. That's probably, oh, and I'm playing Assassin's Creed apparently, which I'm not playing. All right, so let's go ahead and let's bring in Barnacle, shall we? All right, give me one quick second. All right, awesome. It looks like he's ready to go. I'm gonna go ahead and change over our lower third here. Boom. Oh, he told that the title was wrong. Hi Barnacles, welcome to the show. Why don't you take just a moment here and explain to the nice viewers what exactly you do and how they can find you if they like your appearance on the show today and they actually wanna hear you say more things, but no pressure. I've been a software developer at Microsoft for 15 years. That's my official day job. Also dabbling some offline development with Opulent Studios, a little side company I have developed for Windows Phone. But my hobby and what I'm really passionate about is creating YouTube videos. So I've been doing that for about two years now. Been having a hell of a lot of fun. But huge tech enthusiast. If you guys don't know who I am, go ahead and check me out. I'm over at barnnerd.com, like a barn where you put your cows and your horses and nerd will figure that one out. I have a lot of fun with the YouTube thing. It's just amazing the people that you find online and the people you encounter, especially Linus and Slick here. I mean, there's a hell of a lot of nerds out there. And I'm honored to be on the show, guys. Cool, well, welcome. I think probably the first thing for us to do is kick off with our first. So that is DisplayPort 1.3 in bombing. So let's go ahead and show the nice viewers what we got here. This was posted by cDNA on the forum who says, I just came across this article. The original article is from Brighton. So we're gonna go ahead and make sure we're giving credit where credit is due here. Boom. But there's a lot of extremely exciting stuff to share about DisplayPort 1.3. But because Slick has it on his screen and I have mine covered up by this article, he's gonna go ahead and tell you the bullet points here. So a lot of this is speculation and rumor, yada, yada, yada, but it's maybe coming in quarter two of 2014. You're able to push 8K resolutions and 3D 4K. There's gonna be some limits in like cable size and you might need repeaters if you wanna go. Cable length to be clear. Cable length, sorry. And you might need repeaters if you wanna go very far at all. And they're unknown if it's the same connector, so there's a few things going around there. But we're seeing bit rates going up for 5.4 gigabits per second in DisplayPort 1.2. Now we're in DisplayPort 1.3, so it's 8.1 gigabits per second, which is pretty beast. You'll notice that unlike 1.1, 1.2, where we saw like a doubling in performance isn't quite a doubling. And that's because we might be getting close to the limits of copper bandwidth. And you had something to show for that? No, not really. You had the link to Larry's USB cable. Oh, let me find that. Okay, so Barnaclise, let's hear your take on why is HDMI even a thing anymore? Like why, so we've got royalty free DisplayPort. I heard him say he doesn't care about the DisplayPort thing. I don't have a DisplayPort in my fancy new projector. And I don't even have a 4K display yet. So it's like 8K isn't terribly useful to me at this point. It might become relevant, but I find it funny that people are already speculating about the next version of DisplayPort being able to support 8K when it's like I can't even buy a 4K screen right now without emptying my wallet and doing a broke dance. Okay, well let's talk about this then. Let's talk about not necessarily inferior and crappy HDMI is because HDMI is holding us back now. Whereas DisplayPort has been capable of the things that we. Let's say you can't afford a 4K display. Can you? And a half K displays that are like 300 bucks. Oh, absolutely. I got one sitting right in front of me. Right. They handle 1080 60p. Whereas DisplayPort has been able to handle that and for a long time now. I think the thing that I am happy about here is the fact that DisplayPort is still pushing. HDMI 2.0 is also still coming, not released yet. And it pushed. Catching. It's like, okay, 4K 60p and that is it. That is all. Don't worry about the future. We will have HDMI 6 or something. We're not sure what to do. Well, no, I think that's. And I think that, you know, some serious limitations. But for me personally, I mean, where HDMI isn't a factor that I can use, you know, I usually just refer back over to DVA because it's usually on my computer. It's not like my entertainment system's 4K yet. And also I just like the compatibility of it. I mean, not all my devices have DisplayPort on it. I mean, it's actually kind of a rarity on some of the stuff. I think once it becomes more mainstream and everything has it, you know, it'll be something that I accept a little bit more. But chances are when they come out the next version, it's just gonna probably have a different connector on it too. Hopefully it will make a different connector. I'm getting sick of that with the whole USB thing. Yeah. I hope not too. I mean, proper cable, I would hope it's still the same connector. The only time, the only reason I can see for them to move to a different connector would be if they want it to not be interoperable. Like if they move to an optical cable or something like that, or if they have to have, you know, an active cable, they need a new connector that... The reason why they think it might be a different connector is because to get on these lengths, they might need... Right. So with that said, we've got Thunderbolt 20 gigabit and those are active cables that don't necessarily require a different connector, but it was probably designed for that. It's hard to say. It's still like maybe coming in Q2 2014, thing here is rumors. Pretty... I'll tell you one thing, if the rumor's true, if the rumor's true and they actually do produce the 8K technology and we actually start seeing some 8K native panels coming out, all it can do is push down the cost of 4K and I'm all for that. I'm all for that. So let them make all the money if they want. I mean, as long as it drives 4K down into a realm where now I can go get a 4K projector and it doesn't cost $20,000, hey, rock on, I'm happy. You know, it's a really good point you're making about 4K projector because 4K is one of those things where for the desktop PC, I feel like it... Because you can really use the extra real estate and the extra pixel perfect clarity on text. Really, that... Because I find for... 2560 by 660, 2X anti-aliasing on it even, maybe 4X, you're having a fantastic gaming experience. Someone says 1440p is possible with HDMI. Yeah, 30 frames per second, good for... Okay, so whatever. Gaming experience is great at 2560 by 1600. So I don't necessarily see the... From a pure gaming perspective, but to me, it's about text and about... And be able to manage them and move them around. I also see the value on a projector where you're gonna have an extremely large display and extra detail is going to be very, very helpful. Where... Absolutely. Projector, a 92 inch screen. And within three feet of it, at 1080p, I can... In every pixel, I mean... Yes. Yeah, so... I can tell you even at that experience with a... When I'm standing 12 feet away, I can't make out individual pixels and I got 2015 vision. So it's not like I'm blind, but... Right. You know, so it's like when this... When 8K comes out, it's like, yeah, that'll be awesome if I can build that fancy... And I've wanted with a 300 inch screen, then yeah, bring it on, but 4K definitely. If I had a 4K 46 inch screen sitting in front of me instead of a 1080p panel, it would be huge, especially for software development, because then I could essentially split my screen into four quadrants and still have that same resolution and still see that... Yeah, that's gonna be frigging awesome. I'm super excited for that. Okay, sorry, guys, I've got this now. This is the amazing USB cable. Sounds muted. Yeah, I know that sounds muted. Oh, I gotta see this. Yeah, this is like a miracle USB cable, like a band or something, it's the Lightspeed USB cable. So this is... Ooh, Lightspeed. Yeah, so, okay, I mean, this text underneath here is kind of awesome. Larry, president of Light Harmonic, is a self-described tube lover and vinyl file, which may seem odd since he's the founder of our all digital company. You may be surprised therefore to find out that before... He worked as the executive vice president of a leading USB integrated circuit company. Don't bother telling us who it is. I guess it doesn't matter. Oh, actually, wait, that would be really important. He and his team of over 150 electronic engineers. Something, something, something, USB 2 audio class standard developed, the DSP, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Why is this even here? Okay, so he's holding the cable now. So this is... It's like a, it's coiled up, he's holding it. Okay, now I wanna show you the really special one. So this USB cable, check this out, okay, so they separate data, okay, see this? They actually separate data and power because, you know, the interference. This gives the light speed USB cable 20 times the bandwidth of USB 2.0. 10 gigabits per second bandwidth is twice as fast as USB 3. Additionally, it's two in one architecture physically separates the power like preventing disturbing the digital signal. The result, a bit perfect USB cable. Obvious question I have is just improve upon the shielding. I mean, why can't I just half thick, that's just filled with, why do I have to have it spaced out that far? That's our ground. Why do they need more shielding? I don't know, we're dealing with voltage. I mean, I honestly don't know how it could make any difference, but... Rated bandwidth. Measure 10 gigabit per second rated bandwidth on a USB 2 cable. And like, I love how they're comparing. They're comparing the rated bandwidth with the USB 2 standard, not with whatever test they're using to measure their bandwidth on their cable, putting a USB 2.0, seeing what that's capable of. Because I suspect that it's gonna have no impact whatsoever because that's not... Selling snake oil here, guys. I mean, seriously, look, the wires are basically touching each other, connector and they're separated three inches out. I mean... It's like... I know I'm gonna offend the hell out of audio files right now, but you know the audio files are like, oh my God, if you spend a thousand... Optical cable, it'll have no digital jitter and you won't be able to hear the photons, you know, with that 126,000 mile per second or whatever battery, blah-dee-blah-dee-blah. No, I think this is that same thing. Yeah, your cable looks awesome. People are gonna look at it and go, oh my God, what does that do for you? Okay, this is one of the... This is one of Edzel's favorite things. Okay, so get this. We're gonna... I feel bad because audio files are nice people, but... Sometimes. This review... Oh, I am too. I've got 10 pairs of headphones. I mean, ranging like way up over a thousand dollars and I honestly sometimes can't tell the difference. I mean, to be clear, guys, audio file means you love audio. It doesn't mean that you have to be a jerk about it. Okay, so this... Preach on, Linus. And you speaker cables, okay? So these are super fancy cables. I think they're like hundreds or thousands of dollars, something ridiculous like that. And this is a quote from the review. In extended listening sessions, I found the cable's greatest strength to be its PRT. Simply put, these are very danceable cables. Music playing through them results in the proverbial foot tapping scene with the knee or... Great swing and pace. These cables smack that right on the nose big time. In this area, they are simply way better than anything else I have heard prior to their addition. Danceable cables, really. Dude, I wanna buy them after. I'll be reviewing those next week, guys. I've got someone asking what IEMs I'm wearing. These are IE 80s. I'm actually gonna have a review coming of them shortly. I'm super like them, so. Get it more excited about the review. They make you look like you need a guitar. I love these custom one pros. I just think the... Danceable enough. Danceable enough. Well, you know what? These cables, they were danceable, and then they got tangled in my feet and I fell. Remember, copper's no good anymore. It has to... It's not even... They didn't even bother to put any money into manufacturing it. Yeah. Not even interested unless it's pure silver. If you have copper, this doesn't work. All right, so you might have a little contribution to make to this. Interesting topic. Let's go ahead and screen share here. Flying hacker contraption hunts other drones, turns them into zombies. Slick, do you wanna sort of kick us off on this one? I thought this was fantastic, and there's different ways of looking at this because it would have happened no matter what. So the guy that did it released all of his stuff so everyone knows how it happened and can start building protection. So that's one way to do it in a game. So how do you do this? You fly your drone which has a USB battery pack and a little Wi-Fi antenna. You can grab Wi-Fi networks easily. And you fly it near another drone, and then attack it, disconnect it from the other user, connect it, and then steal the drone, which is kind of incredible. And with all the stuff going around about the new shipping drones and Amazon's drones and just people generally being more and more interested, it's interesting because there's pretty much no security on them right now. Because who would have really thought that would be a huge issue? But then now, like I just said with Amazon, yada yada, it is becoming a huge issue, and it's kind of incredible how well this thing. Yeah, he does a demo of it. So I'm gonna go ahead and pull up the Ars Technica article again here. Let me see if they have the video embedded in it. Yep, they do. So I'm just gonna skip ahead a little bit here, but I'll walk you through sort of the process. So. There might be sound. Oh no, there's no sound. So here he is talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking. Oh, is the demo, I thought the demo was at the end. No, it's gonna be right in here. Yeah, here he is, okay. So he grabs the drone. Okay, something, something, something. I think he shows what he puts on it. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. All right. So he's talking about, I think it's a Raspberry Pi. There we go. Yep. A little bit. Go back a little bit, here we go. Okay, so he has another drone in the room. So to be clear, guys, this is a Paranar drone. This is just a consumer grade fun device. So I don't think we're. A drone that gets approved for commercial. I don't have any protection on it whatsoever. But basically what he does is he's running, he's running this right here. So what he first finds it disconnects himself and then takes over. And then he. Will his drone, cause it has a camera. So what do you think about it, Barney, please? Oh my God, don't get me started. Actually go ahead and get me started. I actually have a Paranar drone and I absolutely love it. It's really cool, but the way it works in a nutshell is it just connects up to your wifi network and all of the data and commands are just transported over that network. So all he's doing with that Raspberry Pi is just basically disconnecting it from one wireless network, connecting it to his and then going, hey, I'm the controller, follow me. Yep. It's funny cause it reminds me of old RC technology. Really into RC airplanes and helicopters. And I remember the number one carnal rule was you always had to check in your crystal, which was the frequency you're operating on. And it was distorted because if you made the complete boner of pulling out your controller and putting the wrong crystal in it, all of a sudden you're flying some other dude's plane. And so this is kind of like the more high tech version of just defeating this with a little bit of encryption. But it still just cracks me up that, it took somebody just to figure out, wait a second, all these devices. And it's not just those drones, think about it. Things like the Belkin Wemo switches and stuff like that. A lot of stuff operates on wireless networks and every single one of them has to be able to issue and connect and connect another network. So I'm gonna see this. This now is happening with drones. You wait, this is gonna be happening with every single 802.11 connected device. Yep. Oh yeah, and it's probably easier just to shoot them down with BB guns, that too. Yeah, yeah. That I'm actually kind of scared about, but I think we'll talk about that later because of bullet drop and stuff. Yeah, my thing about this was I think it didn't happen until there wasn't a ton, like you couldn't just go fly around the city and find someone else with an AR drone easily. I think it happened more because of all the announcements of that company in China that wants to do shipment drones and Amazon that wants to do shipment drones and all the different, don't wanna do shipment drones and blah, blah, blah, blah. So yeah. Yeah, the other thing that kind of raises a concern too is you just assume that military and commercial aircraft will have a lot more protection. Well, that might be the truth now, but before this was considered a threat, who knows how many other stuff that's in operation simply just doesn't have any encryption or anything because there's really not a president for it. This guy released all of this stuff online and everyone can see it working, all that kind of stuff, but how many people developed it for him and kept it secret? Yeah. Yeah, and the other thing is look how cheap it is to do. I mean, I think including the drone, it's 400 bucks. It's less than $200 for the hardware to outfit your drone to do this. And the other thing is think about the other applications. Don't just go take over other drones, go take over and jam other people's networks. Next to DOS that might be by somebody's pair AR drone hanging outside your building. I mean. Yeah, that's giving people that idea. Absolutely, anytime. So this is an art. Think that YouTube's implementation of Google Plus comments versus the old YouTube comments was a senior and excellent community and for creators in every possible way. Does that sound about right? If by that. Your corpse is yes. Yes, that's exactly what that means. So this is an article from PCMag.com. YouTube admits Google Plus comment integration integration boosted spam. I mean, that's like a farmer admitting that he probably shoveled horse poo at some point. Like it's the most obvious thing in the world, but at least they're acknowledging it. What's your take on what they did and then what they've done to improve it so far? All right, well in the beginning the thing that really perplexed me was how am I getting so much spam in my comments like hey, Barnacles, you're awesome or Barnacles, hey, awesome job and stuff. Why are those the spam comments? It seemed like the system was broken to begin with. And then after that we started everybody knows Bob now, I'm sure, on a different basis. But then he starts spamming across the internet. Of course, they can't put that to a stop. But the one thing I think if there's one good thing to come out of it and I'm actually like playing devil's advocate to myself, like trolls personally, trolls actually entertain me. They're a large part of the panel and coming up and I have a fun beating them down. But at the same time, where did all the trolls go? Google Plus came into play and now I can't find my trolls. Everybody's kind of being like nice. And I don't know, it makes it so hard to sleep at night. Honestly, the thing that's driven me craziest is whenever you go to a video and then all the top comments are just like some dude and his buddies talking on Google Plus about like whatever because he posted a video and then they talk about their person. Like I don't wanna, what? I don't wanna read this. And the thing that bothers me most I think is the fact that Google Prime is so high above everyone else. The people who are on the Google Plus posting of the video. So my post and then the comments that are under that because of people happen to use Google Plus and happened to are getting a much higher priority than anything else even if they're totally irrelevant to do with anything because this is Google's way of just cramming Google Plus down our throats. I don't like Google Plus. I don't find it easy to use. I don't have a reason why I would ask anyone else to use it. This is something that I'll be mentioning in my Nexus 5 review. But again, cramming Google Plus down my throat. Where are my Twitter notifications, Google? Well, my Twitter notifications settings just don't work. Really? Yeah. Comes through every time. No, it's, this was a failure on their part. Just to try to compete with Facebook and everything. One utter failure. So what better way to force it down your throat and turn it into success than to take the one thing you can't live without. That's exactly what they did. I think the thing that's most baffling to me is the fact that the implementation was so stupid. I mean, the fact that they would allow people to copy paste entire. Their limit. What were they doing? And why were features coming on like daily? That was the other thing I didn't get is like, I don't know what their development cycle is like that over there, but being a software developer myself, usually I have things like sprints and stuff where it's like you figure stuff out for a little bit before you go and cram it down people's throats. I was literally logging into YouTube every day and seeing a new feature. Like they didn't even create a boil for feature B and feature C. And sometimes it was changes to the same feature within 20 seconds. That's not cool. I mean, they basically turned their entire YouTube, like the largest media outlet on the planet into a beta testing pit. It's kind of been like that. Just, it seems more rapid this time. Yeah, but they've never really operated at that scale. I didn't think, I mean, YouTube's kind of holding a whole different scale. It's like you can choose not to use Google. But they've always done this on YouTube. It's like, here's a new layout. Boom. Yeah. Might not like work for people. Yeah, everybody that works so hard to make their channels look cool. Take it away. Yeah, that's still frustrating to me. We have like really cool channel designs, particularly for TechQuick. Our channel the other day, she was like, this doesn't look very good. And then she was looking at someone else's and she was like, this one looks a lot better. The layout's a lot better. And I'm like, oh, are you subscribed to that one? And she's like, no. And I'm like, yeah, when you're subscribed, instead of actually seeing big, it's like a little tiny video, what to watch next. And then it's like crap that you already watched. It's like, thanks for that, I guess. Well, it's like, I mean, I feel like I worked a year to get a feature turned on and then everybody just gets it. And then I get another feature turned on. Everybody gets it now. It's like, it just, I don't know, it kind of invalidates your work a little bit. Yeah. Try not to sound too snobbish. Yeah, you work so hard to get those things unlocked. And it's like, you know, it's like you'd be on X, unlock every, we're just going to unlock all the achievements by default for everybody. Have fun. Yeah, it's like, okay, you might've unlocked the dog achievement in like Call of Duty. The new game is just going to have dogs for all. Exactly. It's still the number one selling game in the UK. One of the articles I was like, that's at the top of the charts, Call of Duty, Ghosts, or whatever this stupid thing is called. Okay, so speaking of the terrible spam filtration, let's go to the screen for a minute here. I just pulled up, and I've actually been complaining to me that I was deleting this when they were legitimate comments questioning something about what I was doing, or they were just comments, Linus, why am I blocked from your channel? Why are you deleting my comments? Okay, so check this out. Automatic spam detection, which I actually can't control. Okay, so here's one that's a link to a store, so that might be spam. Someone complaining about how much it costs, that's not spam. Saying, too bad Germany has had this a long time, the US has always last to get it, how is that spam? There was a modder selling the same thing years ago. Useful contributions. Yep. Using people's replies. Look at this, isn't this ridiculous? None of this is spam. You should review. No, it's so broken. I actually. It's horrible, man. I got a comment the other day that just said, Barnacles, I hope you're feeling better. How the hell is that spam? That's ridiculous. And then I hit okay to approve it, and then I don't have a reply button. What's that? I mean, you need to be able to reply. Why can you only reply to some people, not others? I don't get that, that drives me crazy. Look at this. I think that's if people post on Google+, you can reply to them. Yep, yep. It's driving me crazy, because people ask me questions, not realizing I can't answer them. Yeah. Exactly, that's my problem, too. They're like, well, hey, what graphics card would you recommend buying? I'm not buying that reply button. Maybe I'd give you a suggestion. Probably not, though. Yeah. So, yeah, so there's, so 41 comments marked as spam, out of which probably two of them might be spam. 14 comments marked as spam. Yeah, brilliant. Awesome. Yeah, I hope they're not using the same spam filter as they are on the, because if so, you're missing out on a lot of stuff. Yeah. So, I have a setting to just turn it off, because I don't want it. Well, you do have a setting where you, did you see the setting? I saw that. Yeah, I added a bunch of stuff under there, and it didn't work. Like half the stuff still got through. I was like, okay, I just give up. Block all the help. Like, don't block any of the stuff. Don't block Bob. Yeah, don't block Bob, because whatever. Yeah. I love how they release this thing. They're like, oh yeah, we're adding a better algorithm to ASCII art, and they'll like go check out some YouTube video. It's like, upvote Bob and, what? How hard is it to filter ASCII art? Oh my, character over 128 and we're golden. Really, it's not that hard, folks. And the other thing too, is the way that they're spam filter is by word. I was like, okay, well, can I enter the tank into the spam, nope. Bob's army. No, what you can do, I did. And I'm not gonna filter Bob. Why would I filter the word Bob? Someone's talking about someone, Bob. So I don't wanna do that. I know, he might be your uncle. You never. Oh. That was like, that was around your level. That was terrible. I love it. All right, well, let's do a Twitter blitz for Barnacles here. Guys, if you have any questions for Barnacles, hit up the atlinestack Twitter handle, that one right there, and we're gonna have him blitz through them for you. So I should probably go here and put that there, and go ahead and do the Twitter. All right, have you done any videos on Crossfire versus SLI? Not really, actually. On the Nexus 5, Twitter notifications work fine, but I don't get thousands every day. Yeah, the problem is that a lot of them don't come through. Some of them do. So people that I follow, I see my mentions, but I'm not getting my mentions from anyone that I don't follow. So that's pretty interesting to me. I'm looking to get my first mechanical keyboard. I'm about to spend VeryMax 200. I would recommend waiting maybe a little bit. I heard the RGB ones aren't coming for a while. Your first mechanical keyboard, seriously? And VeryMax 200. The Great Linus, oh my god. Well, not my first one. He's talking about someone on Twitter. Someone on Twitter. And 200 bucks max for a mechanical keyboard includes. Jonathan will be talking about drones a little bit more later. Well, as far as keyboards, I have a few different keyboards and they're all DOS keyboards. Really, I've used quite a few different keyboards with mechanical switches and they're all, they're all, found any I would say are bad. Logan talking about. Apparently you're getting an Indian burn. Oh, because I've been posting links to his old Tiger Direct videos. Did you see the standup comedy one? Tiger, I told him I'd stop doing it, but I'm just gonna do it. Tiger, Ben. Logan, I'll film the Indian burn. If you're watching this, I will happily film it. I wanna see a video of him just full on tackle you. I think that'd be awesome. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. We need audio for that. I'd be down to film that as well. I hate this laptop. Okay. Please, just don't be horrible. I think I muted this. Okay, hold on, hold on. Oh god, we have no idea how loud this is gonna be. I'm going to the Twitch chats. So I went online to tiger.com and picked up a camera made of cheese. Now wait, I'm saying anything. I just. Also at tiger.com, I picked up a laptop. So big, I call it a body top. Quiet folks, he's concentrating. A CPU, a motherboard, and a graphics card walk into a bar. Mark Hinder looks at him and says. I can't read lips. Sorry, fellas. Tiger.com, not funny, but great prices. Check out the largest. He's TVs and more. Yeah, I don't think Barnacles could hear. Don't worry, Barnacles, everyone else. Good. But anyway, Logan apparently doesn't like me sharing his old tiger videos. All right, so we have some Q&A for Barnacles now. So Barnacles, this is how Twitter Blitz works. I read the question, you answer it as quickly as you can. Of your 10 hymns, which hymn is your favorite? HD 800 Sennheiser. All right, wow, you have HD 800s? Very nice. Sweet. I'm looking for, okay, that's kind of a long question. All right, something, something, something. Someone's asking you on this. So let's not address that. No, okay, I'm still without mechanical. Barnacles, do you still use your three 50 inch TVs as monitors? They're actually 46 inch and yes, I use them every single day. Very nice. Epic. And I wish there were 50s. Cyber Husky asks, are either of us planning to leave YouTube? I'm certainly not. Barnacles, are you planning to leave YouTube? Only if Google keeps this crap up. What are you gonna do though? Because it's very difficult to take your audio. Video. Yeah, right. Well, I don't know. I'll just shut down shop and I don't know, quit my job, move to Mexico. No, I'm not leaving YouTube. Come on guys, seriously. I love it. What's your take on smartwatches? Smartwatches? I ordered a Pebble and it still hasn't arrived. I think I need to contact them. Okay, it's awesome. When? It's awesome. Okay. What are your personal rig specs? Oh, sorry, I missed that. Personal rig specs. My personal rig specs, 3930K overclock to 4.6. 32 gigs RAM, two SSDs. I got a new one gig SSD on the way, four WD Black 7. And RAID zero, 60 rads, really heavy pump. Can't remember, it's an OC Cool Pump. Other than that, I mean. Yeah, other than that. That was 2680 for the one edition. I guess there's some dust on the thing. Oh, I have no cable management. The thing looks absolutely. But come on, it works. I'm here. Fair enough. Yeah. Someone wants to ask, what's it like working for Microsoft? But I think I know enough about that answer to know that you probably shouldn't talk about it. You should not blame. Well, all I can say is I've been there 15 years. So obviously there must be something good. Otherwise I wouldn't have worked there for 15 years. Someone says no question, but just wanted to say, you're one of the best guests on the WAN Show. Thanks for being on the show. That's from iamseveride on Twitter. Cool thing to say. I love you, sir. I'm gonna come and give you a hug. That didn't get shielded by you. So you promise not to. Yeah. What's that? Oh. All right, so last question from Austin is, what's it like to be a software developer? I wanna be a software slash computer engineer, but I'd like to know what the workload's like. The workload is insane. You will never milestone no matter how hard you try. And you'll drink a lot of. Is that I dig ditches on the way. ADHD is an absolute requirement. ADHD. Yeah, if you don't have ADHD, don't even try. Go do something else. Thank you. Quick sort of, hey, this is where you find me if you thought I was interesting once more and then we'll sign off. Oh, awesome. Well guys, thanks for having me on here. I really appreciate it. This has been a lot of fun. This is by far the largest audience I've ever had. I've been on other tech shows like J's Two Cents and stuff like that. And this has been no different. I'm just, I hope someday I get to come back. Guys, I am at http barn nerd.com. You know where you put your cows in the barn. Yeah. Anyways, come check me out. Follow me on Twitter at Barnaclease. If you thought I was interesting and if you absolutely hate me and you think I'm the stupidest guest that's ever been on the show, come follow me anyways and tell me about it because I love trolls. All right, guys. Been a blast. Take it easy. All right, take care. See ya. Okay, so I hope I emailed myself. User disconnected from your channel. Let's go ahead and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, apparently I did. A lower third gonna. Joe, but apparently I did not. So I'm gonna go ahead and put that where it's supposed to go, which is on the desktop. Why don't you do a rapid fire topic in the meantime? Go, go, go. Well, you should be more prepared. Because apparently the lack of prep prepared here was your fault. This is not. Black Friday was kind of. There was 15 injuries and one death this year. Add to that, there was tons of huge protests. Which were. And there was a massive amount of arrests at these protests. And 10 arrested as record Black Friday protests challenge Walmart and major retailers on low wages. So this is from democracynow.org. So in addition to the protests, there was I believe one death this year, 15 injuries. And then 110. Another successful. Black Friday. Black Friday. Heartwarming community pulling together Black Friday. I mean the whole. I don't know what to say. Shop online. Yeah, shop online, exactly. I don't know what to say about the whole wages argument with stores like Walmart. Because people are upset and yet they work there. People are upset and yet they shop there. Yeah. The shop there thing. Though the work there thing, they might not be able to get another job. Yeah, they might not. The store coming in might have closed down so many stores around it that there's not enough jobs. But everyone has the option to shop somewhere else. Yes. Unless they don't. Unless they can afford it. Because they work at Walmart and they don't make enough money. So how do we ever address this? If you're not willing to pay more. There's minimum wage law. And they're fighting against Walmart firing people. That's a big problem. But the whole minimum wage law things. I mean we had a minimum wage hike here not that long ago and it hasn't done anything to address the constant increase in cost of living. I mean. It wasn't enough. It wasn't enough. They're talking, I believe it was in this article, it might be a different one about how they need a wage increase to $15 an hour. And that's probably not gonna happen because it's probably not quite, but a little bit under double. Convincing huge companies like Walmart that they're not billions in lobbying dollars. It's gonna be interesting. Something that people have to understand too is that payroll is extremely expensive. People are phenomenally expensive. To operate a business like Walmart where people expect to come in and buy a box of cereal for $2 or whatever it happens to be. The people involved in that box of cereal. So first to like drain. Okay. Then to take that and the cereal. Then to package that. Then transport it somewhere. Transport it somewhere else and then probably somewhere else. And then finally to pick it up on a pallet, take it out onto a store floor and put it on a shelf. Then finally to have someone take it off, cashier and ring it up for you. The number of times that gets touched, the fact that you can buy anything for $2 or $3 that nobody anywhere in that line was getting paid $15 an hour. The truck driver. Truck driver. Probably was. The box of cereal. You don't ship cereal by air. Okay. The guy that. Okay. The truck driver, perhaps. The boat. Yeah. Probably not. Probably not. Anyway, the book. Okay. Okay. Maybe someone did. But the point is that nobody. Not a Walmart. In Walmart. Yeah. Nobody in Walmart made over $15 an hour. And if they did, that box of cereal would cost more. So there's no clear solution here, I guess is what I'm trying to say, but. Oh, sucks. That's really depressing. That's a depressing news topic. Black Friday is not like a happy holiday. No. Yeah. I don't know. Okay. So let's go into our. That's a really, we could probably talk about that topic for another hour and a half. Yeah. There's probably a limit to how long. I just, I don't. I don't like hatred for big box stores. But yeah. I wish everything was small. Mom and pops. People could make more money. They wouldn't. They need to charge more money for things, but then scale is a thing. Yeah. And to have like each of the, if people were willing to buy a cell phone once every four years, and people were willing to not overbuy things, they could afford to pay a higher markup and people would make living wages. But I think it's ultimately the consumer that drives this. Yeah. It's not just Walmart's problem. And like, they talk about how you drop a Walmart. When it got there, the Walmart would disappear. Yes it would. So it's not, it's a mixture of problems. And it's not just the consumers either, but then it's not just Walmart either. I mean, there are other problems with the consumer mentality as well. This was a really interesting article. I wish I remember where I read it now, but it was about Black Friday and retailer margins. Now this isn't as true for electronics retailers, but it's very true for retailers in industries where there typically is excellent margin, like cosmetics or clothing or shoes. Where what happens is Black Friday is, I believe the discount level compared to five years ago had increased by 36%. But the actual retailer margins were identical. But there were a couple of retailers that talked about, Trump goes straight, you know, everyday pricing for a high markup so that people think that that coach bag is worth $400. Like that's, honestly, Coach is the brand that baffles me more than any other one. Okay, I'll talk about. But what they found was that, fine, because they wanted to feel like they were getting a deal. And that's what stores like Walmart do. That's what Big Box does so well. You have a high price that nobody ever actually pays. Make you feel like you're getting a deal and then they sell it for a lower margin and then they don't pay their people very much. And then it's all this system that is just horrible. Anyway, so Coach, they're not even made of leather. Like, your store, okay, so like has dedicated stores, Coach outlet stores, where the pricing is lower. Wow, it's lower. So why doesn't everybody go to the outlet store? Why do you ever go to the marked up more than the weather one store? Like, how does this figure in people's brains? It's like, oh, oh, coach bag. Wow, that's really nice. Coach bags are expensive, except they're never expensive because they're always at the outlet store. They're not really worth anything. And again, it's that discount mentality. You guys like Linus boyfriend tips. Mark down from $60. And I'm like, okay, well, A, this was never worth $60. And B, it's not worth $30 because it doesn't even have any money on it. That's the only time that it's worth it to pay $30 for a panel. Why does anyone pay for this crap? Like I have no problem with high end stuff, but make it out of something high end, okay? Make a nice purse, make it out of leather and frigging put gold on it. Fine, you wanna charge $20,000 for a phone that has like diamonds on it, whatever. He crystals on it. What? Oh no, this is really different from the other. So yeah, there's like a goose and it's a logo. Anyway, I think we should move on to our next topic. So was that fueled by something? Oh yeah, no, I was at the coach outlet. We were buying Christmas. She thinks it's stupid too. I went for herself. No, I was just there and they like, there's this, okay. See, you're getting me going on this again. So there's like a pre Black Friday. I think it, oh, what's it called? Hey, and there's like, there was a lineup, okay. There was a lineup at the coach outlet to get in. And it's like- There was a lineup at the coach outlet. And it's like 40% off. Okay, and here's another thing guys. Anytime a retailer tells you 40% off means that they had 40% margin at some point, unless it's very exceptional deal, one thing and it's a close out, okay? So for example, electronics, NCIX's warehouse sales where they mark things, and they go, yeah, this is the one. And it's like got a scratch on it and it was returned. Don't worry, we checked to make sure. That is because they to give you on the entire inventory in the back because they'd be losing hundreds or thousands of dollars. That is an exceptional deal. An exceptional deal has to be an exception. When you walk into a store and it's buy one, get one for 50% off means that each of those pairs of shoes must have had 25% margin at least, at least. And that's all the money that they at least had. They definitely had more because shoes are not actually worth anything. Unless, okay, so let's talk about maybe very well-crafted steel-toed work boots that are made of leather and have soles that are like super awesome rubber that doesn't slip when you're walking around on roofs. Those are shoes that are actually worth something. Shoes that are made of vinyl or plastic. And if you feel like buy one, get one 50% off is a deal, then you need to re-examine math. I don't wanna talk about this anymore. I probably shouldn't have pushed you more. I could, I could definitely push you further. Nope, we're not doing it anymore. Okay, so all right. I've had this Lorthard down here for like five minutes. Okay, so guys, squarespace.com, the easy way to create your own website. You can get a free trial at squarespace.com and if you use offer code Linus12, you can get 10% off. 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No, I mean when they're buying from us. Oh. Maybe they have to. Or Squarespace one. Squarespace one. Use your 10% offer. Well, that'll be for January. Oh, okay. All right, so let's go to our next here. Toshiba acquires OCC's assets for 35 million. This is for AJ on the original articles from a non-tech. Speaking of a non-tech. Probably because he's a. I'm literally probably just gonna type in Twitch chat for the entire time. You guys should see the unreleased video that's on my maybe not working right now. Linus tailing Anand for so many of that copy text. I have the whole thing recorded. I'm sort of a fan. So I've read almost every article written and like all that kind of stuff. He's super knowledgeable, super smart, very well respected in the industry and I'm really excited to have him on the show next week. So anyway, this was written by Christian over at an on tech and basically I guess the long and the short of it is they acquired OCC for 35 million. It's unclear right now exactly what's gonna be done with the brand itself, exactly what's gonna be done with the people themselves. I actually pinged a couple people I know at OCC. I'm fairly well connected over there. I love those guys. It says in this article that the people. They're supposed to retain them but. Who knows, right? Who knows what actually happens in the long run or like what kind of jobs they end up doing because if they don't continue the OCC brand then they could make them all janitors for Toshiba, North America or something like. Like I don't know exactly what the terms are. And so for 35 million, to put that in perspective, OCC spent 32 million acquiring Indolinks, controller IP and all their engineers and all the assets that come with that. So Indolinks is an SSD controller company and acquires OCC in its entirety, including those assets for 35 million dollars. So you could say they bought OCC on sale and there was a lot of. There wasn't margin. They lost a lot of money. There was a lot of margin when OCC bought. Lost a lot. No, I think that was probably. OCC went shopping at the mom and pop store. Okay, you know that isn't the same thing. And Toshiba went shopping at Walmart. I'm not talking about that anymore. I'm not talking about that anymore. So Toshiba, a couple of great benefits here. It's great. Number two is they get the OCC brand if they do decide that they want it. Right now they've said that they will be honoring or the acquisition is complete, but I don't think we know exactly what's going to happen. So that's a little bit tricky. And I did promise to talk about this on the WAN show a little bit. Anyone who didn't. Probably didn't know anything about OCC's business. And I hear from consumers a lot about why they think OCC went out of business. And it really isn't those things. It has nothing to do with that. They're like, well, I have an OCC drive and it died. So therefore they're a bad company. And that's why they went. No, that's not business at all. The reason they went out of business was their mismanagement. I mean, I would, this is going back to my NCI. I, you know, a thousand OCC SSDs of a particular model. Guys, I don't think I can move a thousand of these within my normal 30 day terms. And they would say, line up, worry about it. We'll extend your terms. You can have 90 day terms. And I'd say, well, I don't think I can move these within 90 days because it's not a very good deal. And they'd say, don't worry about it. We'll give you instant rebates after the fact. So basically what OCC was doing was they were booking the revenue because I was giving them a PO and they were shipping me the drives. But then its entirety. Because they were giving me discounts after the fact before I ever paid them. So they were collecting that money, but they were discounting it. Theoretical money. They were collecting theoretical money. And because of the way the pricing works, it typically goes down over time. I'm going backwards for you guys. There we go. Down over time. By the time 90 days has passed, they have shipped me Flash. So expensive. A few weeks ago and is now very expensive. But they paid for it then, but I'm going to pay for it now. And they're going to have to keep discounting it to make sure that I can sell it. So obviously that business model was only going to work if they could sell me 10,000 the next time around. So that when I gave them that order, they could put that on their books. And so it was never going to work. They never had anything to do with OCC having the most drive failures. You know what? They might've had the most drive failures. They were also number one market share in a long time. They were selling a lot of drives. And when someone's selling a hundred and someone else is selling 10, you're going to see 10 complaining customers. Let's say there was a 10% failure rate, which there isn't, but you'd have 10 complaining customers here versus. That starts to add up. They had to keep on selling larger and larger orders forever if they wanted to stay in business. Unless they got to the momentum that they could scale back the discounting and they would be able to retain a reasonable sales volume and they would be able to make money. But that was never because a device to being completely commodity and dominated by guys like Samsung who own fabs and who own controller and all this stuff. And can just sell it at whatever margin they don't care because they can sell themselves the flash, make money there. The loss for all they care. You'll never be able to compete with those guys by putting a shiny gold heat spreader on something once it becomes a commodity item. And with SSDs, it happened very quickly. It went from like vertex, black and silver label to whatever crucial ambience with the ugliest label I've ever seen. And nobody cares. Intel 520 is like scratched metal back. So if they've been able to have that boutique branding and they'd been able to get margin back out of it after they had an enormous sales volume and great brand presence, then it might've worked. I mean, there were issues. I mean, they did release bunk products. I think it was the Petrol. I can't remember. There was one that had like a 40% RMA rate. It was ridiculous. But being a smaller company, they often couldn't validate things to the same extent that someone like Intel will spend a year. But Intel's SSDs. Intel's SSDs. I mean, I had a couple people comment on, well, Toshiba's so small. Like how could they afford to buy OCZ? Or they're small. Is a NAND flash manufacturer. Like branded labeled Toshiba. I mean, to be clear, I think Intel's SSDs are the best. They're the best. They're the best. They're the best. They're the best. They're the best. They're the best. They're the best. They're the best. I mean, to be clear, size of a company, not always apparent at the surface. Like you might look at companies that have a good brand name, but they're actually rebranded that's being produced by a much larger company that's selling to a bunch of different brands. Like someone else made a comment that ADATA was really small. No, they're not. Nope. They are an SSD manufacturer. They don't put a label on things and then sell it to you. They actually assemble and put the chips on PCBs. So they're not quite at the level of Toshiba where they manufacture NAND flash to sell to guys like ADATA who put it together to sell to guys like, oh, I don't know, like, what would be a great example, like Patriot. That's why they drive in the SSD business because they don't own fabs and they don't own manufacturing. Wasn't gonna work for them unless they were willing to invest all that money. And has that kind of money. Yeah, for instance, someone in the chat just said American Megatrends is not a small company. There you go. Oh, of not small companies, we have our sort of mostly lined up for CES. So huge thanks to NCIX who is our gold sponsor. If you guys are looking forward to our CES content, we are taking the whole team. So we're gonna have me and Edzel as one of our teams and then we're gonna have our first silver sponsor. And then we're still talking to a couple of other guys. I'm harassing WD to see if they wanna sponsor us to be there at the show. They do, but I think they have to do some paperwork or something, but we'll get back to you guys. NCIX and Corsair, huge shout out to you guys for us to be there and bring all that to the audience. Oh, there is one other thing that I do wanna call out before we move on. This is a video that's not released yet. So it's just gonna be a teaser for now. We have a giveaway coming. Okay, I'll skip our intro. Funny, people complain about the intro length. That's what you do about it. Yeah, I'm driving. Yeah, all right. So that's all I'm gonna show you guys, but the video does, but I'm planning to release that probably sometime tonight or tomorrow. It's a giveaway. We're giving away a bunch of cool stuff, a full Gaming Peripheral prize pack, stinky footboards, so stay tuned for that. All right, here's our next big topic is, oh, guys, actually, let's do a Twitter bio. And on the topic of, is it the end of the line for AMD FX processors? So feel free to check out either of those two topics at LinusTech on Twitter. Let's talk, this was posted by Tech Fanatic on the forum, and it's a leaked roadmap that seems to suggest right there, the share of AMD FX processors, socket AM3 plus are gonna be continuing all the way to 2050. I suspect they'll just be EOLed at some point. This is just a placeholder because it's just going away. So socket FM2 plus is gonna be getting refreshes on a yearly basis. So we're gonna get like 8,000 series graphics and like next-gen AMD Radeon, next-gen AMD Radeon, all this cool stuff. DDR3, still DDR3 in 2015, hey, that's interesting, hey? That might not be a bad move, though. Wait for DDR to get better. Because DDR4 is probably gonna, DDR4 is probably not gonna be super great at the beginning. Yeah. It's not necessarily a bad idea. Mind you, DDR4 would benefit onboard graphics because you'd have more bandwidth. Yeah. But at a cost to latency. So I don't know, I'll be interested to see if this is even real, but this is something that we've been talking about for a real long time, guys. I don't remember that, like I don't remember the number of that WAN show, but like we talked about it fairly in depth like a while ago. Yeah, it was like back when we were in the garage. So is there really any difference between AMD, the AM platform and Intel's current strategy where they haven't abandoned LG 2011 platform. In fact, they're gonna continue to release processors there and there'll be six cores and eight cores, bajillion cores or whatever they're gonna do. But it's not a faux. No, and it comes out kind of whenever. Bloomfield was released before Linfield. So that was a 1366 platform that came out before the 1156 platform. And that was the last time Intel led with an enthusiasm for the 1156 platform. An enthusiast grade product and then followed with a mainstream product. They've been leading with mainstream and enthusiast has been as much as two processor architecture generations behind the. Well launched, we were still on Sandy Bridge E and then we got. Now, for this Intel's mainstream also have onboard graphics and AMD calls any CPU that has onboard graphics right on the die and APU. So by AMD's definition, the Intel mainstream ones are APUs. APUs. So we're talking about, oh, AMD is abandoning the high end. Well, are they abandoned the high end? Is the 4770K not a high end product from a gaming perspective? I'd rather have an eight core, but is it not high end enough for you? I don't know. It's interesting. I'm like, they're like, not really slow. There was more information outside of just that chart, which is like even more roomy than that chart. Although that chart looks pretty official, which was specking out speeds. I didn't know it's because it was like pretty roomy. So I'm not sure it was pretty quick. And if you look at like any build guide ever, they're probably not running for the Intel side. They're probably not running a socket CPU. Yeah. But it's not super common. So basically everything he just said. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna affect their business in any tangible way. I think if they can deliver, I think it's great to see us go socket strategy. I'm kind of tired of having two different sockets all over the place. It's like between AMD and Intel, we have four different sockets and that's the current only. So we've got 11, we've got 1150, we've got AM3, whatever they wanna call it. And then we've got FM2 or FM2 plus. And then you can still buy LGA 1155 stuff. Which is like super relevant. Which is super relevant still because it performs. Like if anything, I think it's more confusing. If we can go down to, okay, well, we're gonna ship only APUs. They're gonna have great onboard graphics and you can use them or you can not. And remember guys, you don't have to use onboard graphics for graphics. You can use them for compute as well. So with HSA coming, onboard graphics might become more and more and as time goes on and we might just see that whole thing as, well, this is a processor and it's good at a lot of different things. And it might not matter that it's graphics cores, CPU cores or whatever else. So if it starts to just deliver better processors that have all these things built into them, I don't see an inherent problem with that. And it's all in one socket, it's all easy. If they can deliver more cores, then that's great too. I think it was interesting timing because for a while there, honestly, no one really seemed to care about AMD processors at all. Like I never saw them at all. Versus 3570. Thing. And then you saw AMD processors all over the place all of a sudden. Yeah, I know. And then now they're like, nah. Like if you did it before, I would have maybe seen it as being realistic, but then now you're doing it now when people are more interested in your product, but then, I don't know. It costs a lot more to maintain too from platforms as well. Another post by TriTech says, we're evaluating Mantle. So here is the link to the source. There you go, there's a panel discussion. So you guys can check that out. It'll be posted in the... And then evaluating it, direct quote says, da da da da da, where is it? I can't really talk too much about Mantle, that's why, but then he goes into talk about Mantle pretty seriously. So to just get the elephant out of the room, we're still evaluating Mantle. So we haven't made any clear decisions on that yet. We're taking a look... Very promising. I mean, when you consider that Star Citizen has already committed Mantle support, and this is a CryEngine based game, if Cloud Imperium and CryTech aren't somewhat gonna talk to each other about this, that I'd be very surprised. Yeah. I'd be surprised. And like AMD pulled in Cloud Imperium. Yeah, I would be surprised to not see Mantle implemented in CryEngine at this point, based on what we've read now. Which is extremely exciting. I mean, Mantle is still an unknown. It's December, I haven't watched for BF4 yet, so I guess it's coming in a while. Maybe it'll be a... So it's still an unknown, but it looks promising. Yeah, well, they both are, to be honest. Like, no one's really seen G7 and like a few other people have, but to mass consumers, it's still a completely unknown. Okay, but it's not an unknown if someone knows it. Yeah. Whereas Mantle... But to everybody else who's seen it, it's an unknown. By your logic, atoms are an unknown. Because only a few people have seen them, so... Everyone else is just taking their word for it. No, that's totally... No, it's not. Yes, it is. You can't see it. You can't see it. You can't see it. You can't see it. You can't see. It doesn't matter. The point is that if someone knows and it's... But you can't properly explain it because no one has any idea what you're talking about. Okay. But that's different from something just plain old not existing yet. I'm not saying it's not existing. I didn't say it wasn't existing. No, an unknown has to be unknown. An unidentified flying object... Can't properly explain it. Yeah. Can't kind of see that as well. No. You can see particles in it and you can see the way it flows. Okay, so hold on. An unidentified flying object... Okay, if somebody knows... Yeah, it's one of those. It's not unidentified. Even if the person watching it was like, what is that? It's unidentified. Sure, but they still have no... They don't know what it's like. They did just... Oh my God. Talking about G-Sync. Okay, G-Sync. You're blowing certain things... You said this to me earlier. When? With the whole... That was completely... No, it wasn't. You were taking unrelated exam... Okay. Actually, I stand by this though. Unknown has to be unknown to everyone. Don't understand. They haven't......anyone else because people still don't understand what the hell it does. I'll properly explain it right now. Then do it. Tearing goes away. Leg goes away. But then we have to go into all the other concepts about it too because when you say that, people are blowing other things... No, no, but that's the explanation. That's what it does. That's the end of the blow. That's the pot of gold. Is you sit down in front of your monitor and the delay that would normally exist when the GPU is finished drawing... Fixed refresh rate, gone. And then the tearing that exists when your frame rate exceeds the monitor's refresh rate is gone. What's going on? People refusing to listen is not the same as... But then they don't know it. That doesn't mean it's unknown. Mantle is... A large majority. They've been talking about Mantle as well. There's a difference between... They've been talking about how fast... There's a difference between something being unknown and some people being ignorant about it. People have talked about Mantle. About the speed increases. They've talked about the... Speed increases. They've still talked about it. They've still explained how it is. They had that... Both known then. Which reviewers talked about it? PCPer. PCPer. They have a Battlefield 4 build that they've run? They saw the... I didn't say Battlefield 4. They saw the Mantle... Thing. That was a... What? Oh, it's a tech demo. Demo's of PhysX that make it look like the next best thing for gameplay. What was it? Borderlands made PhysX looks like the next best thing for gameplay. But that was BS too. Exactly. It doesn't matter though. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. All right, so Amazon is... They're both on the same level. I was willing to move on. I'm not. Well, Amazon is testing drones for deliveries. This was a big, big news article that absolutely exploded on the entire internet. Is it the truth? Is it the... Ruse in the entire history of marketing? I don't think we're quite sure. Okay, it was definitely good marketing. We're just not sure if they're actually working on it yet because Amazon has everyone talking about them for free without paying a dime on the busiest chopping weekend in the United States. So... They've got to be working on it on some level if there's that Chinese company that's got it. Yes. They're probably working on it on some level, but we'll just be sure that this is actually realistic. So here's the original article from the... Is the drones called Octocopters could deliver... 2.3 kilograms, so that's about five pounds, to customers within 30 minutes of them placing their order. However, he added that it could take up to five years for the service to start. There are some complications. So the US Federal Aviation Administration has approved the use of drones for police and government agencies, but they have not issued any permits for civilian use as yet. And that's not, they're not, they don't have to do anything about it until 2015. So... And sort of talking about this all they want, but there won't be any 2015 at the very earliest unless the FAA just decides out of the goodness of their hearts that they're... It's the FAA though. Yeah, exactly. So... So probably not. Well, that's why I said the FAA... Heart. Ha! Ha ha ha! They don't have news. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of problems that people have brought up, like weather, operating costs, reliability, potential vandalism, thefts, FAA regulations, that was all stolen from an NTTEC article. Yeah. But like... Well, not to say, well, hold on. Let's not say stolen. Let's credit it. So Jared Walton from an NTTEC wrote a very excellent piece about some of the challenges. So challenge number one was... I don't remember. Okay. Well, there were a bunch of... Okay, this was the one I liked the most. Okay. As their CEO noted, they have around 300 items ordered every second. That creates a lot of work for the shipment side of the business. But... To deliver only 10% of their packages by drone. And they were claiming that up to 86% of Amazon shipments could be handled by drone with respect to weight and distance. Okay. So even if they tried to ship 10% on such a busy day, they'd be looking at 30 packages per second. So they'd probably need... Okay. A delivery time of about 20 minutes, let's say, if they're moving at high speed towards a target. Probably another 10 minutes for refueling. And a drone fleet numbering 54,000 would be needed. So if all orders were to be delivered by drones, we'd be looking at 10 times that number, over half a million drones. I didn't read the part about distance being in there as well, but I'm sure it's in there. But... Oh yeah, they'd need warehouse locations within 10 miles of your office. Because they don't... Locations within 10 miles... And the drones would need to be amazing. To be able to go that fast? I mean, they'd need to... Not even just that... A lot of drones I find don't go that quickly. To operate with the precision, be able to... Like I picture the Death Star, Eddie and Falcon being pulled in by the tractor beam, and then we need, what was it? 300 per second of them? I mean, it would be like a beehive. Well, yeah, but that's also... There isn't one shipping depot. No, there is a... But... There's a lot of... And they're saying within 10,000... It's like, if you actually... The calculation of well, it's like tons of them. So... So to come in and land, and be precise enough to... To whatever kind of a dock that then probably carries it somewhere. I mean, they have amazing automation facilities inside. So for it to land on like a dock, and then on rails to the exact spot, pick up that thing, and then be taking it out to another dock, that's totally realistic now. But the precision with which they'd have to... An AR drone on a windy day, for example. Little kit taken off course quite easily. These aren't, again, these are not... They're not AR drones. They're much better. But I just... They have eight rotors, I believe. Rotors and probably better cameras. And that's another thing, adverse weather conditions. I mean, if they could fly by, I don't know, sonar, or I guess it wouldn't be sonar, it would be echo location. If they could fly out by something like that, I guess echo location's kind of... You do. Like those streets that have those banner signs on their light poles, what happens? And I mean, that all even ignores like stupid people. Yeah. I mean, this is... I laughed when I saw it, I really did. But I was just like, yeah, it'll happen. And aside from ships and these extremely expensive drones probably being damaged on a fairly regular basis, I mean, what about the danger? People shooting up in the air trying to take down drones because it will happen, totally will happen. And that bullet coming down and hitting someone, it is no secret that what goes up must come down and what goes down that's enough to pierce skin and bones will come down at a speed that is enough to pierce skin and bones. The bullet probably won't be going in a perfect line. It might be flipping and stuff, but it's still gonna cause damage. Yeah, it'll still kill you if it hits you in the head. It's a bullet and it's going fast. Small metal object, large velocity. Squishy target. Yeah. All right. So, I don't know, there is a... It's a Chinese company. Yeah. And UPS and FedEx have come out and said that they're looking into drone technology as well. I mean, they could... See, that makes more sense because... And longer shipping times, not 30 minutes, because then you could bring it... There's UPS and FedEx depots everywhere. And here's the thing that kind of scares me is this race to lower costs and more automation. And again, it comes back to the black... Bye-bye employees. It's like, okay, so you want a raise. How about we take half of you and replace you with robots and the other half of you can all have a raise? That was actually one of my notes on the Walmart thing is like, they'll probably just fight this until they don't... And you know what? At what point do you abandon the notion that everyone, like the capitalist notion of everyone works and makes a fair wage and gets a minivan and a house in the suburbs and like sort of the American dream, so to speak. Abandon that because the machines and do everything for us. And we just kind of go, okay, well, nobody really has to work anymore. Why do we bother? Like, is that... Is it? It's communism because it's not taking everyone and paying them the same for different jobs because would anyone even need jobs? And what's to make money on anymore if you don't pay anyone anything for anything because you don't need UPS. Just self-drone... One dude who loads the drone thing and fixes the drones and then, oh, the drones carry everything everywhere else. Then you're gonna have a drone that fixes the drones and loads the drones and then... At that point, do we just take all the UPS drivers and just go, well, look, I mean, it doesn't... Or packages anymore, so here's some food and somewhere to stay and... I mean, no one will be that charitable. So... Just buy like, you know, cool iPads. Then what? It's gonna be a very interesting 20 years. Yeah. All right, what's our next topic? The China shipments. Oh yeah. We'll jump right on to it. Sure. So the biggest glaring problem I saw with this right away is the FAA is stepping in front of the possible issues with drones in the States and making a lot of possible issue for quite a while. But China was like... As long as you get like regional aerial authority pass, whatever the heck. So one shipping company there, SF Express is already jumping into it and starting basically now. But a problem I have is in that picture, it looks super clean and nice there. But in a lot of different places in China, there's so much smog that you can't really see anything. For reference, we have another article here that we may or not bring up, but 20 million CCTV cameras were rendered basically useless because of the smog. They can't... So if these drones are driven by vision, like robotic vision, what do they do if you can't see anything? Like, is it gonna be predetermined? Is it gonna have to be permanently cleared no matter what? Are they gonna be see through some other means like echo? I mean, this is the thing that concerns me about, like I'd love to have a flying car, but the air is probably gonna be better than even the ground level roads did. With all the unmanned junk, like, I mean, is like, is like schwacking into a drone in your car gonna be just like... Like, oh, I hit a... Like I hit a goose today, holy crap. Like unusual, but not unheard of? I don't know. And then what about the liability for all this? I mean, maybe in China, no cares were given. Here's the smog thing. Maybe in China, no cares were given about the liability of a lawsuit like it is over here. But like someone's... There's gonna be... If you nudge someone in the head, you will get sued for millions. So what if a drone hits someone's car, knocks the mirror off, the mirror falls on their nephew who falls and like breaks his nose. Who's liable for this? How much does it cost? There's a lot of stuff to figure out. It's gonna get interesting. And you know, the funny thing about it is the argument could be made like, hey, tough luck, man. I'm sorry it worked out that way, but drones and self-driving cars have much lower rates of error and collision and failure, than the ones that were operated by humans. So I'm sorry this worked out this way for you, but you know, the goods of the many, or the great, the needs of the many outweigh the... And overall for the greater good, it's better that we do this this way. But then at the same time... But what about me? I wouldn't have crashed the car. I would have done better. Like there's... There's a lot of stuff to figure out over the next little bit here. And like pointing at someone and saying, well, if this drone didn't hit you, the guy driving the truck would have. Yeah, you can't say that. You can't say that. That's not accurate and you can't prove it in any way. So it's kind of funky town. All right, so I was right. Micro USB is stupid. But they're making it like this. I hope they make it more durable. Did you see their... But size is fine. I actually don't even mind the lightning connector. They can make it more durable. I'm just saying I hope they don't like completely mimic it. So the next USB plug will finally be reversible. The story was on the verge. Work has begun on the type C connector. So this is the only connector one will need across all devices. One connector to rule them all. Yeah, this is funny. So they linked to their article where they talk about a clumsy and oversized micro USB 3.0. I mean, micro USB 3.0 is ridiculous. So this will be a USB 3.0 standard. A super speed connector. Yeah, I think this is just their review. Yeah, where they talk about the like huge. That's like massive and ridiculous. I mean, it's fast and that's great. But I am super excited and I'm glad to see that I was right and micro USB is stupid and we need to move on to something else. So it'll be small, super thin, reversible, and hopefully will be the standard for phones of the future. Pretty stoked for that. Something I'm not necessarily. A 1966 Jaguar XJ13 for 150 US dollars. Well, hold on a second. If you could get a Jaguar for $140, you would do it, right? The actual car, yes. Gran Turismo 6. Not a digital one. Coming to PlayStation 3 on Friday will allow you to buy an in-game car for $140. Which is ridiculous. I think the scale's even worse for euros, which like that's happened so much, you guys. Yeah, you guys are getting boned. But I hope you weren't gonna buy this anyways. Yeah. So yeah. So to purchase it, you would have to buy two seven and a half million dollar in-game packs. So $140 total. Plus two of the other ones. Yeah. And like there's, I watched the little video where it leaked all the costs of some of the cars. And there's quite a few that are in like the, I think, I don't know the exact amount, but I think it's about $50 range. How much was the seven and a half million dollar one? Cause there were five million dollars. I saw a ton that were five million. Seven and a half million. Hold on, let me double check. Seven and a half million points, I mean. Yeah, seven and a half million points was 50 bucks. So yeah, I saw a whole bunch that were at five million. $40 range. So like $40 range. A lot of them. At what point do we stop calling microtransactions microtransactions? See, they're micro because. They're easy and fast. Yeah, and what you have to deal with, they're not technically micro because of the cost. Hmm. Okay then. So they're still a microtransaction. So I thought, did you see my new? What are you calling? Go, go, go, go, go. MMT or massive microtransactions. So this game could be redefined as an MMTRS, a massive microtransactions racing simulation. Excellent. That's exactly what we needed. I love it. You could have like MMT MMORPGs. Oh, fantastic. So this is something that, this is something that I personally am quite excited about. Although I don't know, I don't think I can find the article right now. Can you do a rapid fire topic? Let me just see if I can find this. Sure, give me one quick second. You know, find something. We've covered most of our stuff. We're actually 22 minutes overtime. Yeah, we should. How about this? So I don't think we need to talk about this for too long because it happened to Yahoo well, but NSA was just leaked about how they tapped into data center interlinks at Microsoft. So the links that go in between their big data center buildings, which are not too close to each other, they've tapped into that and they're sniffing everything. And Microsoft is pissed. There's a quote of them saying, these allegations are very disturbing. If they are true, these actions amount. When it was happening to us, and now they're super pissed. But I wonder if this is a good thing because now that we have stuff like people like Microsoft getting all angry about it, maybe side now, maybe something will actually happen because there weren't some like at all. Cool. Look at Linus's email, new shield features. I love shield. Yeah, I was wondering where. The touch screen button. So you can basically make any touch screen controlled game, a physically controlled game. Yes, has been updated. So you have the ability to share, browse, and rate community sourced game pad mapper profiles. So you didn't have to create. You can just download the best rated game pad mapper profile that someone else created and boom, you're in the game. Ability to map gyro simulation to your thumb sticks, which is cool. It gives the right thumb stick a feature for first person perspective games that use touch swipes to look around. And it adds a new accelerated cursor option for joystick mouse mode. Also, they have 1080p 60 FPS support to the console mode as long as you're using a USB to gigabit Ethernet adapter, which was purchased. You have to get an on the go compatible one. And I actually have a hub and then, or an OTG cable and a hub and then a USB to gigabit thing. Also plug in my Bluetooth controller. I am so stoked. I am so stoked. Game stream works really well, but for some reason there's some interference in my living room or something. And it doesn't work particularly well on my TV. Is fine, which is actually further. Yeah, it's shield works fine there, but in my liver. So I'll run wired to the living room power line. And then I should have enough for 1080p on the TV. And Nvidia also has opened up their, oh bollocks, what's it called? Yeah, game stream. Using grid, it's an open beta, anyone with a shield with the latest software, it just has a grid button. You can try it. It works. Graham, my action speed, which was optimal for it. And there's some blockiness to the textures. It's hardly perfect, but St. Coover to Nvidia server in Santa Clara was a playable gaming experience. I rounds in street fighter and I'm not a particularly good fighting game player. So like I was, and I was able to like block things. Like the latency was not bad. It was very playable. Not that no works. That's interesting. That's really interesting. I still don't. And it's free right now, cause it's beta. One with a shield, you can just play. I think they've got darksiders to street fighter something and like eight total. That's pretty cool. So yeah, you got to try it. So what do you think is going to be like a survey? Nvidia doesn't want to run the service. They just want to do a proof of concept here so that someone else can go and buy a bunch of grid servers. Holy crap. It works. What's that on live, on life? It's gotta be all over that. So it'll work. Okay. And then last thing that I'm really excited about here is wait, oh crap. What was it? It was that. My favorite thing while you look for that is I can't figure things out, but it's going to take me forever to find like my most preferred thing. And I spend a huge amount of time on mapping something like this to just for me. And then I can just get used to their mapping because I know there's a ton of games where it might be mapped differently than I'm wanting what I'm used to. But as long as it's still mapped, you can get used to it and it'll be okay. Like shooters, I know I'll notice shooters like any minor change. As long as it kind of makes sense. I can usually get used to it. Like the control to see thing for crouch. A lot of shooters changed crouch to see and I'm used to playing with it on control. But I got used to that pretty quick because it kind of makes sense. Like it's after playing why they did it, I still usually still kind of like it on control, but either way. I forget. You find it by now? No, it's not in here. It was something that I was thinking about. Okay. That I wanted to say that was on the subject of shield and grid and cloud gaming and all that as well. Anyway, it works surprisingly. That sort of ghetto shield, just APK you can download. It was on XDA developers. Tried it. So I tried it on the Nexus 5, which is pretty much the recommended device. So that I have an AC router at home. So I gave it as much bandwidth as I could. I sat next to my router and discussed what's got it. Dragon processor. It's got a snap trick 800 or whatever it is. And it's got built in H264 decoding. So what that means is that is the most recommended device for limelight. The experience wasn't very good. Image quality was fine, but there were very noticeable lag spikes. So while the game stream works, it only works with steam right now. So this is very much like a, a, a kludgy hack. It's not that it works at all, but it wasn't playable. Nvidia has spent a lot of time and optimizing shield in order to deliver the latency that they do. I'm still considering once limelight gets a couple more releases, getting new releases like right now. So once we get a couple more releases and it gets a bit more optimized, then I think what we should do is we should revisit ghetto. And we should go, okay, you know, Nexus five or HTC one or some kind of optimal phone on a MOGA, okay. And then we go see wireless versus shield on dual band N. And then we go splash top and we compare all three with the high speed. So we can really see the difference. And we can see how much optimization work actually goes into making this work aside from just the hardware. Cause Nvidia, they claim that mostly software. Yeah. The hardware is nothing special. It's a antenna, Tegra chip. It makes sense. Just an arm processor with a GeForce. Deal with things in a very weird way. It makes sense that it would be software. So right now at least. Yeah. I talked about all the new shield stuff that makes me super excited. Do you want to do maybe build logs and then a Twitter thing and then be done or Twitter thing? Let's do the Twitter blitz. Cause I asked you guys to blitz about that a while ago. Then we'll follow up with build logs of the week and we'll call it a show. Sure. Like, yeah, we'll just like, we'll do some things, call it a show. I hope you guys have enjoyed the better audio quality for this show. We have a totally new setup. Actually, maybe we'll do a short after party after the week and I can show you guys. Cause it's really cool. All right. So, oh, tech fanatic, you and your long PMs on the forum. Suddenly the end of FX becomes almost irrelevant. First one first. Okay. The Twitter is that it's a 140 character limit because that's all. If you want to type essays, you can type them to me somewhere else. If HSA and Mantle can allow games to leverage the IP of the APU for physics and have you crossfire. Then all of a sudden end of FX comes irrelevant. Yeah. Yeah. Anything that allows us to utilize the onboard graphics on the CPU more is definitely good. Actual numbers from Mantle, but we did not see G sync because we can't and it's still only on TN. We have actual numbers for Mantle and we have numbers for Mantle. We don't know. No Mantle affects the actual output quality of the game. That's something we don't know yet. It probably will be fine. It will probably be the same, but it might. Fight against myself on IPS. We just haven't seen it on IPS yet. Yeah. And why do you get, you sent me a PM about this, dude. Oh, do you think only works on these ones? No, you're wrong. Wrong. You're wrong. G sync works on any monitor. Monitor manufacturer decides to implement the module. That's it. Now as an Asus 144 Hertz it comes to viewing angle or color reproduction. Yes. We all know this, but there's no reason that G sync couldn't be delivered on your next generation 4k TV. Still like that 24 inch 4k quality monitor. Boom. And like looking at the Assassin's Creed 5 where Nvidia was, we have a 4k. These are stupid. And they have like tremendous input lag because remember G sync is not only this technology. It's also a process. Again, but lower input lag, all going to be good things. I'm stoked to, I haven't even seen it yet. I'll bring it. So I'm going to play with it this week. Because I'm, we need to not get into this kind of stuff. What do you think of Republic of gamers, GTX 780 Poseidon? I think it's a card that has hybrid air and liquid cooling. I think it's a GTX 780 based card. And I think it's going to look like, I don't really know what else you want me to say about it. It's going to be jack of all trades, master of none. We've seen this kind of thing in the past. Cooler mat, I think it was, yeah, cooler master of all people had what was called the Hydra 8800, which was an air cooler slash liquid cooler for the 8800 GTX guys go check it. Get solution than that. But it's not like this is the first time it's been done. Something like iRacing is no different from GT6. Pay membership and then pay extra for more tracks and cars. We've seen this in other games. It's just $140 is locked down. Yeah. Remember that airing through the air involves 3D routes. More routes, but it's also a lot more devastating if something goes wrong. I guess would be my feedback. Didn't you buy ships in Star Citizen for more than that car? Yes, but I also got the game. And I also got in ships and I also got the ability to be super badass right out of the gate. Many other things in the game and that was supporting. We both backed additional ships. And I backed it, I think when you backed it too, it wasn't even 100% fun to do. We hadn't hit a bunch of the milestones that I hit. Like I believe in the project. I wanted to happen. We were supporting the project. I'm not supporting GT6. Backing before it was at 100%. Like it wasn't even gonna be a game yet. Bedsheets are invisible to sonar and echolocation. So there's a very good point with respect to animation. So you could catch drones. You could make nets. Yeah, drone nets. Wow. Drone net even sounds like a thing. Okay, we should like TM that. Yeah, drone net TM. We'll take 10% royalty. Yeah, 10% royalty. I bet. Okay, well you're increasing the cost significantly again, because remember the way night vision works is just like. Yeah. Wouldn't small still be a big problem with night vision? Because it's particles. There's different ways that night vision. I think depending on which one it may or may not be. I don't know enough. Everyone will work at research facilities. Maybe a few engineers and repair guys. Yeah, but not every. This is something that I think people need to come to terms with. Not everyone is cut out to be an engineer. And that's life. Be the news anchor on their favorite news show. You can look at the guy who's doing that and be like, oh, I wish I could do that. There will probably still be stuff for people. I don't know. But there's one spot and unfortunately, that's that one person can get it. And so if we eliminate all the jobs for the people who aren't engineers, unless we support them and say, and then the engineers are all upset because we're just supporting those guys and they're late. Okay, but there'll probably be more jobs and I think different markets will blow up a little bit more. And things might change. I don't know. Harrison says I'm looking at a video card from my friend posted on the forum, man. You need maintenance for 54,000 drones. There will be jobs made. You need people flying them too. I know they need jobs. Yeah. And the maintenance. If you had 54,000 of exactly the same thing, it's probably worthwhile to invest in a machine that 3D scans and then 3D placement parts and then puts them back together. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People still have to develop the software for that machine and build that machine and that machine and all that kind of stuff. The show is called WAN Show, weekly analysis and news. Doesn't say computer in there. We focus on technology stuff. And those drones are totally technology. Minus tech tips. What confuses me most reviewers say that AMD and Intel are both equally good, but most use Intel in their systems. Why? That's, that's, yeah, scroll. Apple. Reviewers or anything like that. AMD throws money at reviewers too. They both do. Don't imagine that doesn't happen. We use what we, okay. That's, we talk about the merits of AMD technology a lot, but mostly we focus on what's great about it for the value conscious. When you're not. You don't have to be value conscious. You're not value conscious. In an extreme edition, not because it makes any sense. I wouldn't buy an extreme edition. Every single one recommended to anyone. I've always tried to step in and be like, whoa, wait. There might be a better option. So it's not, it's not about makes sense for an average. It's about if you have this CPU that you got for free and this one that you got for free, then you might as well use which. Doesn't matter if it costs more. 83. I watch rumors. Okay, I don't click on links during the show, but I'll definitely check that out. With Nvidia's Tegra mobile chips going from strength to strength, do you think they'll upgrade Nvidia? No, I don't think. Can't get an x86 license. And x86 isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I think Windows RT is all the proof we need of that. And they're going from strength to strength, but they don't have a whole lot of design wins with Tegra 4. It's in shield and like their own tablet. Far, so I mean, I think it's. It's in the marketplace in the long term. Guys unknown is a Pokemon. Oh, okay, sure. Linus is right. We have actual numbers for Mantle, but did not, it's cannot see G-Sync. Oh wow. I don't care that you can't see G-Sync. I've seen it and it's good. AMD is dropping. Is CP upgrade ability of my in three plus mobile dead? Yeah, pretty much. You guys are bickering. Yeah, we do sometimes. We try not to do it on camera for the most part, but sometimes he's just. That it needs to be, he needs to be put in his place. Full crap. We need a core APU's. Yeah, I agree. People cannot comprehend G-Sync cause they haven't seen it, but people do not know what met with Mantle because it's not out yet. Yes, James Taylor. I agree with you. They can't comprehend that doesn't mean it's unknown. Oh my God. Linus, I agree with you over you here over slick. Ah, Justin, you're my man. What if GP. Instead of having to find tasks. That's absolutely what's coming. HSA is coming. That's the point. All right. Should I buy a 780 ti get an R9 290 water cooler? That test yet? Would that be saving money? No, it'd be about the same. Yeah. Actually. Yeah. And then that you already own a custom liquid cooling setup for your CPU or something. You can integrate it. Unless you buy a G10. And assumes you don't need to add another radiator to account for the extra heat load. Unless you buy a G10. Unless you buy a G10, but that assumes you have an old Asetek unit kicking around. But that's still cheaper. Cheaper. Oh, oh. Right? Yeah. I think you're right. Oh, that was fun. That went away really quickly. Okay, back to Twitter. I agree about the benefits of one socket. It'll create more motherboard choices. Yep. Absolutely. Tech fanatic, dude. I'm still interested in what he has to say. I'm interested in what he has to say, but he's like got as many tweets as everyone else combined. I'm very happy with my A350. I think that it'll be enough for another five years. I think five years might be up. I mean, we go back and look at what CPUs we were running five years ago. That was like LGA 775. The Core 2 Quad Q6600 has not aged particularly well. It's doing all right, but eh. Mine's still working pretty good. Yeah, it works. You can play BF3 on it. Okay. Like no problem at all. Okay. Didn't we run that and didn't it not run particularly well? I thought we tested that. No. Oh no, we had an E6600. Oh, okay. I'm not defending the. I'm just. I think I'm pretty much done with that for now. Why don't you do your Build Logs of the Week thing? Where is it? It's in the. It's in the. Is it on the Swap? It's like. This week. Hooray. Linus's screen. Let's all share it. Whatever problem we had with frames getting dropped earlier on in the show is totally cool. Yeah, yeah. I thought maybe we had a long-term problem there. I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna let. Oh wait, you gotta download it first. Oh, you are. Nevermind. You might wanna take a look. Try and figure out what's going on there. That's awesome. That's like super classic. Wow. So this. The blog. There's, yeah, they're both. They're both really cool. All right, slideshow. As normal. So guys, just a reminder. These are Build Logs from the Linus Tech Tips Forum Build Logs section. You can definitely check them out there and you definitely should. Because it is basically impossible for everything and show everything on here. I'm just gonna hide us right now. So we're just showing ideas and stuff. Oh my goodness. This is so cool. So there's a couple of, I can't remember if this is P182 White Edition, I guess it would be. Can't remember exactly what case that is. But they've got one of them upside down and one of them right side up. And then whatever the heck's going on up here with handles. Unreal. So, okay, you know what? You better walk through this. You can tell the mid has been gutted. Yeah, so you can see between the two cases is completely open now. Yeah. So a lot of what we're showing here is gonna be some pretty close up. You can't, you need to go look at the Build Guide. Build Logs. Sorry, Build Logs. Because there's a lot of shots that we didn't include. We included way too many shots of this computer but we still can't show everything that's important. Look at these fittings. I love these fittings. Which ones are these? These are the, are those the monsoons? I think they are. I didn't actually look at the name in the Build Guide but they look like monsoons. Those are beautiful. They remind me of monsoons. I'm not entirely sure. They might not be. They might be a different one that I had seen before. Either way, they're absolutely beautiful. I didn't look up the name in the Build Guide. Match the tubing really nicely. Normally I wouldn't really like orange tubing or orange fluid but it actually really works really well here. And he has a really interesting scheme for his cable management color. Look at these graphics cards. So he's got, he's turned it into a cute, absolutely amazing. I love the lighting coming out through the front here as well. Yeah. What a fantastic gaming rig. Chopping that middle through and make it go all the way through the back is just super cool. Really, really, really cool. Midnight Smurf, water-cooled 650D. I can already tell this is gonna be beautiful. I like the- Got that carbon fiber. The very small print yet another. Yet another water-cooled 650T. So the first picture you go to that shows just awesome sleeving and then you start to see carbon fiber and stuff every- That- Doesn't shy away from- Right on the SSD. Love that. Yeah. Doesn't shy away from too many cables. Fills his freaking case. Like he's got a ton of stuff in here which is really cool actually. Cause I notice a lot of people that do build logs they'll be like, yeah, my super awesome rig that has one card and you can't see any drives and there's nothing in here at all. Yeah, well to be clear, a rig can be super awesome and have- Absolutely. We're not down on that. People being like, wow, look how great my cable management. Like one card and one drive. Yeah. Whereas like my system, people might knock my cable management particularly at the back, but I have a sound card that needs power. I have a raid card that- I have 80, 87. Go out to like quad SATA breakout cables. Card that needs two, an eight pin and a six pin. Like jam the bottom of the tray. That's even more ridiculous. Like full water cooling with- I have, so like it gets a lot more difficult, the more crap and like lighting all over the place becomes a lot more difficult to wire as well. So I wasn't knocking on people that don't have a lot of stuff in their case. I was just saying, brag about- The cable management can be easier. Yeah, and that's cool and you did a really good job, but like this is when I'm really impressed. It's like, holy crap, this guy thinks in his case and like his runs are super clean, all over the place and the sleeving. So it just looks really, really good. You know what I just realized? So show guys, thank you very much. As always, thank you. Wow, we have like- I'm late, you can always check out the- And thanks. So short, like official after party. I just want to show them like the new setup. Sure, are we doing that in the arc? Like are we doing- Oh, should I stop and then- Yeah, yeah, I'll do that. Okay, so we'll be right back.