 How about now? I mean the mic thing is bumping. We'll see what people say. Just waiting on the chat to stop pressing F to pay respects. Waiting on the chat. Come on. Yeah! Yeah! Thanks Twitch chat! Welcome to the show! Linus is here. Linus2. Hi guys, I'm Linus from Maple Ridge BC. I enjoy socks, sandals, and badminton, and annual employee reviews. And apparently camping. Linus has gone camping. Jon's on the show this week. And we have a great show, like every week. I don't even know if we have enough topics to call out in the intro thingy. But a bunch of tech YouTubers were accused of not disclosing Computex sponsorships or being paid to go to booths and all this other kind of stuff. Jay from Jay's Two Cents has already released a full video about this. I know a lot of people have been talking about this on a lot of tech. Yeah, a number of other. I'm not sure who else did like a full on video besides Jay, but I know that Paul and Kyle and I think also some others at least addressed it on Twitter. So yeah, Gamers Nexus was talking about it as well. Like a lot of people were talking about it on Twitter. And I know Jay made a full dedicated video. Outside of that, I'm not entirely sure. But we'll talk about that. Unsurprisingly, everyone in the YouTube tech review scene is friends. So this got slammed down pretty fast with a collective effort of like, what the F that's bull poop. Anyways, moving on, we'll talk about that more later. There's a rumor that an eight core version of the 8700K is coming this fall. People are thinking that they're just kind of Intel is just kind of reacting to AMD because they don't really seem to have a logical roadmap anymore. But we'll we'll talk about that later. So AT&T closes the Time Warner deal. Is this like straight up? Like for sure? Is he according? So I actually your arms look huge. You're a machine. I'm sorry. He's off camera. Nick is over here off camera flexing for us and trying to distract us from the show with his pythons. But yes, I talked about this on tech link today. Okay, yes, this deal is apparently final. So wow, the judge approved it like two days ago. And I think they were just sort of chomping at the bit to get it done. So Wow. Okay. Also, we've got Apple is trying to stop developers from sharing data on users friends. That sounds good. Probably. Yeah, I don't know. A rumor that the that there's an AMD Radeon RX 680, which like an expected price range of like three to 400 bucks, and a rumor that Windows 10 is going to run on a Google Pixelbook, which is pretty weird, but probably a good idea. And we're gonna talk about Smash Brothers Ultimate briefly. Oh, and that maybe so yeah, that's gonna happen. Oh, yeah, that's actually pretty sweet. Okay. There are no good topics today. Yeah, but then like things that other people care about other than me. People care about this. Do you want that? That'll be pretty cool. Yeah. Oh, right. Sponsors. Moss backpack, Savage Jerky and LTX. Oh, sponsoring ourselves. It's amazing. And set that back and here, we have so much ill gotten money. According to this first topic, we'll talk about that we can sponsor ourselves. Yeah, which I think we're gonna bring Nick on for us. So the first topic of the day is going to be the tech youtubers accused of not getting up. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'll just like stand in the back. I'll do a I'll do a slab squat in the back. Yeah. Well, you're going to getting owned by the microphone. It's okay. I'll figure it out. Yeah, tech youtubers accused of not disclosing Computex sponsorships. So Nick had the great idea of coming down as our businessman to directly address. Sure. It's pretty simple. If we're paid by someone we we tell you that's literally it. Yes, we visit sponsors booths. Yes, we create coverage of sponsors booths. We say that right at the beginning of the video at the end of the video. We do not charge an appearance fee to show up at a booth. Brands reach out to us. They say we have interesting stuff and you should check it out. And we say, Okay, sure. We might check it out. And sometimes we do and sometimes we don't. And that's literally how we do it. So if you are concerned that the content that you're watching is paid for, just check the beginning of the video. And if it says this is sponsored by so and so, then yes. And if it doesn't say that, then no. And it also say that in the video description. So it's literally that simple for for us. Yeah, that's it. Cool. Short and to the point. Yeah, I'm gonna I don't know. It's from from my perspective. It's like, I don't know. It's literally that simple. If we're paid by someone, we say it. And if we don't say it, then we're not paid by them to make that content. That's it. Yeah. Cool. And I'll add some like more kind of anecdotes. But that's that's more or less it. I think most people in the tech review space do sort of the same deal. I can't think of anyone off top my head who doesn't disclose sponsorships that I've been able to notice. But like if if a lot of the shows that I've done, it's changed a little bit since I've been doing a lot of shows. But a lot of the shows that I've done, the majority of the videos that come out of that show are not have nothing to do with the sponsorship for that show. So like you say, say, Corsair, because they sponsored a bunch of shows that I did in the past. Say Corsair sponsoring it. So we okay, that works. We created 10 videos at Computex. One video was at the Corsair suite. They were a sponsor of the show. We said that it was sponsored by them. The other sponsor we had was Glasspass, who wasn't at the show and isn't a computer manufacturer. So it wouldn't be at the show. So 90% of the videos were not about the sponsor at Computex. Yeah. So so nine out of 10 videos were not about Corsair. And oftentimes we'll have it where like I'm going to use Corsair again. I've done a show at PAX where Corsair was the sponsor and I covered like three or four competitors all positively. And that was fine. And everyone was okay. And Corsair was happy and we were happy and everyone else was happy. And just my experience with this, which is like obviously a lot more limited than someone like Luke, but I spent a couple of years since I've been to a show for the company with CES. But a big part of my job when I was a CES that year was just go around and find interesting stuff. Sponsorship money, any those sorts of considerations had nothing to do with what I was doing. It was just walk around, take notes if something is interesting, get some B-roll of it. Maybe we can do a video on it. That was literally it. There was never anything shady exchanged in the background. So yeah. And that's that's another important point that I didn't mention. But like we don't do anything where someone says you can't do this. All of our sponsorships are just about what we can do. We don't do like exclusivity with anyone in the computer space at all. Yeah. Yeah. It would be a bad idea for us to is tying our hands as to what we can do, which makes no sense from a business perspective. So this is the thing that always makes me kind of chuckle is that people go, oh, you guys just want money. You just want money. If you think we're all about money, what would be more intelligent? Taking some money now and potentially losing the trust of viewers or taking more money in the long term while maintaining the trust of viewers and partners. Like if you just think we're all about money, the smart choice is for us to be honest about who we're being paid by. Because then we have longevity. And when you have a company of 20 odd people, I don't know the exact number, but somewhere around there. And Linus Media Group is indirectly kind of whole propping up Float Plane right now. Like that's a lot of people and literally companies to support. You want a long term solution. You don't want a burst of money in a short period of time. When scandals or religious scandals like this pop up, people tend to concentrate on short term. Like, oh, we have evidence of like this one deal that has this like impressive dollar amount on it maybe. And that's obvious. Obviously like, oh, we have evidence of a thing that may have happened one time, you know, and that I think gets eyeballs against clicks as opposed to what you were just talking about where, oh, we're trying to like make as much as we can through like a long term review of things and what's going to be sustainable for the long term. That isn't particularly interesting to someone who wants to read about a YouTuber scandal. And like most tech YouTubers that I know of that I've watched their show coverage of do it in generally the same way that we do. I'm not saying anyone's copying each other. I'm not getting into that. That doesn't matter. But it's you go to the show. You do like your little right at the beginning of the video call out. Thank you for bringing me to the show. You make a video about whatever happens to be there. That'll probably include one to two videos of the company that brought you plus a whole ton. Like the last show we were at 90% of the videos were from unrelated companies. And then at the end of the video, you often do another call out. Thank you for bringing me a combi techs. And then you move on. It's worked the same way for like five years or something. I think we're probably like on the more aggressive end of like actually doing content with sponsors. Like that's what made me laugh about this like list or whatever was that gamers Nexus was included. Yeah. Like the least chilly people you could think they will destroy everyone. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't want to go show about this. I just figured. Yeah, I know. Well, it was important to address because I know a lot of the other tech guys have been really vocal about this on Twitter and Jay made the video and I don't think we've really talked about it much. We don't. Yeah, we don't typically use the WAN show for that kind of stuff. And so we decided to talk about it a little bit. Yeah. That's what it. Yeah. Okay. Thanks, Nick. So yeah, if you want if you want a little bit more information on stuff you can you can watch Jay's video. I don't remember exactly what it's titled but I think it's his second most recent video. Give me one second. It's called the truth about how I earn money. And it's kind of cool because he goes into more stuff than just shows. He runs down basically the like breadth of his business. He talks about the merchandising line. He talks about other deals that he's done and how he's trying to grow stuff like his personal branded merch and whatnot. It's a little bit like the honest answer to the yeah. Did about how we make money although we're not accusing Jay of like copying us or anything like that. It's just a good it's a good thing to do I think. So yeah, I think it was a good it was really good timing and a good idea for Jay to do his now. And we did ours a while ago. Yes. Or I believe a similar reason. I don't remember or not. I don't think there was one big specific specific event. I think just there was a lot of fans were questioning. I think there was a lot of toxicity like in the comment sections of some of our videos between like that like the Intel fans the AMD fans the Nvidia fans all going at each other and trying to say oh here here's who which which companies line is favoring the Nvidia shill thing or something like that. I think yeah yeah because I remember in that video we talked about how like Nvidia is giving us almost nothing. We just make a lot of videos about them because people like their stuff. Well I mean they're they're they're huge. I mean they're the biggest player in the GPU industry. So we kind of and GPU videos do do really well. So yeah we have our honest answers thing. Jay has his truth about how I make money. I recommend watching both of them. I find them both very interesting. Yes. Even art like I knew all of ours already but even ours I think was was quite good. And yeah the fact that Gamers Nexus was included is hilarious because they just rip holes in everything. They do. So yeah like their their their stuff is like so technical and in depth and like if you know if if any YouTuber is going to try to get away with that kind of thing they would be they would have the hardest road to getting away with it. So why you know I don't know. But anyways moving on to a rumor love them rumors. We went from a rumor about us to a rumor about a tech company. This is wonderful show. It's spicy though based on hardcore definite facts. So anyways there's a rumor about an eight core version of an eighty seven hundred K that could be coming this fall. This is by Guru 3D and it was posted by Racken off on the forum. I'm going to post this into the Twitch chat real quick. What did I just do. What am I doing. I wasn't holding control. I see. There we go. But yeah it's it's people are kind of speculating that this isn't really this wasn't really planned for. Oh that sucks. Am I using the right thing. And whether or not it was planned for it does seem quite reactionary. Maybe it was coming. I suspect even if it was coming it was going to be coming later than it did end up coming. I kind of think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle as we try to get our technical issues worked out here. Yeah. Want to keep going with that. Yes I will. OK. So but yeah what I was going to say was you know there's a question here in front of me. Does Intel even have their own roadmap anymore or are they just being reactionary towards what AMD is doing. It might be a little bit of both because all of. Oh there we go. It's working you know all of Intel's difficulties trying to get a 10 nanometer chip to market have been very very well documented. Right. Like oh when are they going to originally release 10 nanometer like a year ago two years ago something like that. Yeah. Yeah. So so they have to do something to keep innovating quote unquote innovating in the meantime. But you know AMD did they force Intel's hand here. Maybe a little bit. I do think it's really ironic that we're seeing. So what it's how many years has it been since the FX series from AMD came out. Oh seven years or so quite a while. Yeah. Like that. So it's so it's so ironic now I think that Intel is reacting and trying to compete with AMD just by strapping more cores onto a CPU because an eight core i7 is not something we've seen on the mainstream consumer and you had to originally or before you had to buy an enthusiast platform an enthusiast motherboard to do that. So but a core version apparently coming this fall. No pricing information on that yet. But it's interesting because you know obviously it is going to be the most cores we've ever seen from Intel on a consumer platform. But it is a summary. But it is kind of funny. You know seeing is the big knock on AMD for a long time was oh they're selling these six and eight core CPUs but who cares. They're not really giving anyone a benefit. So yeah. But the thing was especially back then with Intel having so much of the market share no one was able to develop for that reasonably. So now having AMD CPUs matter a lot more to be completely honest and having Intel have to react to that and pump out a bunch of cores. Meaning there's a lot more cores across the field meaning it will make a lot more sense for developers to push for it which would be really cool because I don't know if you guys remember this but I used to make cores for gaming videos and I would do like oh it's summer 2014. How many cores do you need to game with. And we stopped after I made like three or four of them because we were like oh you could watch any of these and get the answer because it was the same thing every single time. So hopefully this will actually mix that up. Definitely. And we can make another course for gaming video. Yeah you know and obviously there's been development challenges just with how you know the stuff is actually coded to spread the workload out among more cores. But you know there might be more effort put into that now that what you were saying there's just more cores out there where you have a chip with four cores eight threads or you know six and twelve is just a more mainstream choice now. So it's it's you always have to have one obviously the software or the hardware has to come first. Usually it's easier for the industry if the hardware comes first. I know with certain games that have come out and stuff it's been like oh wow hardware really isn't ready for this yet. Yeah like nothing can run this. Yeah yeah exactly exactly. And then that's usually a fairly uncomfortable spot for the industry to be in. It's fun. I enjoy that space but it's fairly uncomfortable for consumers to be constantly needing to replace all their stuff to be able to do anything. So having the hardware first is good. So we're going to get eight core out there and get people used to it and have developers start using it more often. That would be pretty sweet and awesome. Absolutely. It is it is a little bit of a kick in the pants for people who recently I know someone specifically who like just bought a new processor. That being said this isn't coming until fall so it will be a little while. But like the 8086 i7 8086k like just came out. Yeah that was pretty sweet. But like that was like a nice little stunt for however many weeks that was a cheap to get. But and then now it's like coming this fall you've got an eight core version of the 7000 case. So it's like it's like what if you like spend a ton of money you buy a house and the house has like trim where it's where the cabinets are a certain color or a certain style that was that was in for like literally a month. Yeah. And then everyone thinks it's ugly. Yeah. Yeah. So if you buy the expensive CPU is a bit like that. So oh man. Yeah. I couldn't give two craps about cabinets but I totally understand the reference. I get that resale value man. It's great when you walk into someone's house who's been like perfectly maintained done a really good job of keeping their house up but they haven't changed a single thing in it since like the mid 90s. They have like a lured pink wallpaper with like a. Yeah it's actually so cool. I just it's like a time capsule. OK. And moving on to something that I know nothing about at all. So good luck. AT&T closes the Time Warner deal. This sounds terrible to me. I don't know. I don't know anything about it. A federal judge ruled on Tuesday that AT&T's eighty five point four billion dollar bid for Time Warner was legal imposing no conditions on the merger. All of this despite a lawsuit from the Justice Department arguing that the deal would be anti-competitive. And oh my goodness how is it not. I don't understand. I can tell you a little bit about that. Please give me one quick second before you do that. I kind of bait and switched you there. We're going to use the verge dot com for our source and thank you to Sherman Tanker for posting this on the forum. You're good to go. OK. So so when I was in law school just a quick disclaimer. I didn't learn a ton about antitrust. If you watch like if you watch TechWookie and the videos we've sort of done like law and tech a lot of it has to do with intellectual property because I took a lot of intellectual property in law school. So talking about copyrights and like what you can do with content online and how you can share it and that sort of thing. But here's what I can tell you about antitrust and just in case you even know what antitrust is antitrust law basically concerns companies that get too big. The idea of antitrust law is to prevent monopolies is to prevent one company dominating the marketplace for a certain thing. You know imagine if the only company out there making monitors was LG for example that wouldn't be good. You would have no choice in what you could buy. So so with this what's happening is AT&T which is obviously a huge telecommunications company. They run you know back in the day they were most known for running phone networks. These days are a huge ISP. They just bought Time Warner which includes some really big like media properties HBO CNN Warner Brothers basically everything Warner Brothers does is owned by Time Warner. So what this is called is called a vertical merger. And the reason it's called a vertical merger is because you have one company buying another company that does something different or more specifically one company provides the other company with with supplies or supply chain. Right. So in this case Time Warner is providing content they're providing. Like I said they're they own HBO and CNN so they're providing Game of Thrones or The Sopranos or The Wolf Blitzer Show or whatever people watch on CNN. I don't know I don't watch CNN anymore. But so and but you know AT&T is the ISP so they're providing the content that AT&T can deliver down their pipes. So that's what we mean by a vertical merger. There's also a horizontal merger which is a little bit simpler where one company buys another company that does basically the same thing. Imagine if UPS bought FedEx for example. That would be a horizontal merger. But so when when the government. So is that like a vertical merger would be like you buy functionality and a horizontal merger would almost be like you buy market share. Yeah that's that's not a bad way to put it. Yeah you're buying functionality or buying supplies like to help you somehow. You know. Right. So like imagine if McDonald's like had their own farms. That's like vertical integration. You know Tesla has purchased a few like manufacturing companies. Yeah. And like like companies that are into like tools and manufacturing and whatnot. So that probably helps them vertically. I'm not sure exactly how to classify that because I think I think it was also manufacturing. Yeah. I'm not exactly sure. But anyway so so so specifically talking about this. So the Justice Department of the U.S. took AT&T to court afraid that this would make AT&T too big. There's like an antitrust concern here with just way too much market power. But legally it is. And I was actually looking at the judge's decision which is like 200 pages long and full of legalese obviously earlier. But one key thing he mentioned was that in a horizontal merger courts usually have a little bit easier time deciding. You can just say oh you're buying another company that does something similar. So let's just look at how much market share you'll have now. And if it's too much market share we'll just say you can't do this. It's easy. A vertical merger is a lot more difficult because you're buying a company that does something else. So these sorts of cases they tend to be very fact intensive. There is very case by case base basis. And just based on that alone the government immediately already had a tougher time proving its case to go in front of a judge and saying and say hey AT&T buying Time Warner is going to be really bad for consumers. It wasn't good enough for to get the court to buy it. And the judge said get out and they let AT&T do the merger. And that's kind of it. So so people are saying this in Twitch chat and I there's one guy who says bored. Other than that dude that happens on every every story we talk about though. I've someone said this in Twitch chat and I've read this before online in some in the 80s or something. They broke up AT&T because it's too big. Yeah. And now they're letting them merge and become bigger. The idea back then and obviously you and I were both. Well what year were you born? I was not alive. Okay. Luke didn't exist. And I was like tiny in the 80s. I was born in 87. But back in the 80s before like everyone had the internet. AT&T ran a bunch of they provided don't completely quote me on this but I think what happened is they had both long distance and local telephone service and they just controlled so much of the telephone market. I know they were a huge deal in telephone back in the day. Yeah. They could just control so much the telephone market. And what ended up happening is the U.S. government broke up their local operations into they call them the baby bells. And these were companies that were spun off as independent but they served like different chunks geographical chunks of the U.S. But that's a little bit different because we're talking about the same things phone service. This is a little bit different because you have an ISP buying the folks who own HBO. Right. So it's a little bit different. AT&T was divested in 1983 by the United States government. It had natural monopoly over the telecommunication lines such as telecom. Yeah. Exactly. And they were the only group base. That's right. So that's quite a bit different than it is now. The baby bells were stripped up into pieces like South Atlantic Bell etc. They slowly consolidated back into companies like AT&T Verizon. Yeah. That's right. When I was a kid our local our local phone provider was Bell South and they were one of the ex AT&T companies. So interesting. OK. All right. Well moving on from that just in case your hash tag board. Yeah. And that dude in chat was it was really funny because this happens right as a net neutrality repeal. Yeah. It was a thing. So yeah. So hopefully there won't be fast lanes for Game of Thrones. But I guess if you're a Game of Thrones fanatic you'll be happy about that. But the most pirated show. Let's see how that goes for them. Apple tries to stop developers from sharing data on their users friends. This immediately sounds like a good thing to me but I don't really know yet. It's posted by ANOVA 5 on the forum and the source we're going to use is Bloomberg.com. I always feel so pro when we use Bloomberg as a source. Like as you turn on Bloomberg TV there's always financial stuff going on. I didn't even know Bloomberg TV was a thing. It just seems very pro you know. Anyway it has a cool name. OK. Apple Inc. changed its App Store rules last week to limit how developers use information about iPhone owners friends and other contacts quietly closing a loophole that let app makers store and share data without many people's consent. Yay. Good thing. Thank you Apple for closing a said loophole. I think that's kind of the gist of it. I'm going to get this nice lady off the screen because I don't know what she's actually talking about and we're going to go back to here. But yeah apparently many developers ask users for access to their phone's contacts only use it for marketing or sometimes or sometimes share and sell the information all without permission from the people listed in those digital address books. That's the problem is that your phone your address book those people's information other companies running apps are able to take that and sell it. Whereas that's supposed to maybe only be used for like sharing things or seeing if you have other friends that are online. You know how some games you can like import your address book and then see if your friends are online. Well they might sell that and that's bad. I feel like this is a GDPR thing or it might be like they may have done this response. Oh here. Like I don't. That's just me speculating but it seems like the timing seems like that might be why. Well I think because this sounds like something that will be absolutely not allowed by the GDPR. Yeah. Where your data is getting used and you have no idea what's going on with it. I just think in this case both companies might be a fault. Yes. So I think Apple's trying to close their end but this is also a problem for app developers. They would both be in trouble or that law of Apple for not like securing the data and passing it on and then the app developers for using it without permission. So Apple's probably just taking care of that. Definitely. It needs to be taken care of. The new App Store review guidelines bar developers sorry the new App Store review guidelines bar developers from making databases of address book information they gather from iPhone users. Sharing and selling that database with third parties is now forbidden. Probably should have been already but whatever. An app can't get a user's contact list say it's being used for one thing and then use it again for something else unless the developer gets consent again. Obviously this can still be abused but I think it's a vector for Apple to rip you off the App Store. So if they catch you doing this you'll get you'll get tossed. Right. Anyone yeah anyone caught breaking the rules may be banned. This sounds like an extremely easy rule to break and probably not that hard of a rule to get away with breaking but at least they have it written out now that they can give you the boot if you do break it. When users like like honestly. Yeah no it does. This whole thing reminds me the reason I'm laughing a little bit is of in Android P I think they took away the ability for apps to use your camera microphone in the background which was cool but I was like what were they doing before yeah like what were they listening to me like all the time before Android P. Yeah when users install apps and then consent developers get dozens of potential data points on people's friends contact list contain phone numbers email addresses profile photos and tons of other stuff as you probably know so that database of information is probably quite valuable. So now what they'll probably have to do is sell it to themselves as another company and then anonymize the data and sell it that way so it'll add one more loop that they have to jump through for Apple to not be able to catch them. So all right at least Apple has cleaned their hands but this will still remain an issue just in case anyone was wondering. Moving on. I just sort of assume that everyone on the internet just knows everything about me. Yeah. Easier way to live. Yeah yeah another rumor because this show again is only about things that are confirmed 100 true. Rumor AMD Radeon RX 680. The Radeon RX 680 will reportedly be powered by the Navi GPU architecture and will feature 8 gigabytes of GDDR6 with the performance of the GTX 1080 or GTX 1080 Ti or so and an expected price range of 300 to 400 bucks. That's actually really good because looking at the stories about what Nvidia is going to be allegedly because like you said this these are all 100% confirmed facts on the show. But anyway seriously there was everyone saying or a lot of people are saying July 30th for the what's the code name for the next not Volta but it's um oh Twitch chat is probably screaming at me with it right now. I was writing about this earlier today and I've already forgotten it. Nvidia roadmap what is your thing called? What is your thing called? Nope that's old. Just search. That's Volta on top. Hold on I'll get it here hold on. Twitch chat is screaming at me right now I'm sure. Touring. Touring. Touring. Touring. Like like. Oh yeah Touring or Ampere. Ampere was the one I had in my head. So um they're supposed to be releasing. Snorkel. They're supposed to be releasing Touring at the end of July but it's just going to be the higher end silicon to begin with as is tradition you know. Yeah. So the rumor is that the the high end card will cost between a thousand and fifteen hundred depending on how much VRAM you get with it. So something like this could be really appealing if you could say oh well I don't have a thousand dollars but I can spend 350 bucks on something with 1080 like performance. Yeah someone in chat said please please please make this this square bracket anecdote poopy for mining and great for gaming. Um I doubt it. Eight gigs of gdr6 should probably be pretty smoking for mining. Um well I mean I don't I don't know if you can you know really make a card like that you know what I mean because memory is super important for mining. Oh you know I know but my point is just more like if he's worried about price this looks like it will be affordable because obviously there's this huge artificial inflation with the pricing um. We'll have to see like immediately after this card comes out a bunch of miners are gonna get their hands on of it on on of it a bunch of miners will get their hands on it. We're both I feel like we're both slow today it's been like a long week. Yeah it has been a long week. Um so we'll see how it how it goes but looking at its price point looking at its performance this could be a big card for mining but mining isn't all super hype right now. Yeah. Uh so maybe it'll be okay. You know things change quickly yeah like a couple months ago it was a completely different story and also this is an interesting side note AMD will release a Navi 20 on 7 nanometer as a high end GPU in the 2020 to 2021 time frame. Oh boy. So 7 nanometer GPU from AMD so keep your eyes out for that. They're smashing it man it's cool I'm happy for them. Speaking of happy savage jerky I have a new favorite it's mojo jalapeno. That's habanero my friend. Oh no oh no that one's habanero sorry no the other one. Do we have another thing over there that says habanero I'm very sorry it is mojo jalapeno. I was like holy cow I'm slow today. No I'm slow today look at me anyway screwing up the sponsor bill. This is my new favorite one I haven't had it before. 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I think Canadians flip it back and forth. Interesting. Because herb and herb both sound perfectly fine to me. There we go. Because Canadians are weird. The more you know. Here it is. What the heck? That's a but you get a husky tool bag a straight up husky tool bag is included. Okay I was expecting that was going to be like kind of a fake-o part of it but it is not. You get four bags of jerky one bottle of hot sauce one bottle of herb herb blend or spice rub one savage jerky koozie I've screwed that up before. I think it's called it a kazoo. Oh lucky. But it's a koozie. That's great. And two savage jerky stickers. That's actually pretty cool and this isn't in my notes but I always warn people when there's certain special dates coming up on my Twitter but I'll do a WAN show warning here. It's Father's Day on Sunday. So if you need something and they can get it to you fast enough. I don't know what their shipping speed is but this might be a decent idea. Jumping back to other sponsors let's do right and sorry savage jerky but the the link over here savagejerky.com use offer code LTT save 10 percent. So you can save money on the on the tool bag if you want to get that or you can just buy some buy some bacon and save money on it. Saving money on bacon is always a good thing. And moving on we have Moss Backpacks. I love these bags and I do the same thing every time because it just makes me super happy but all of their bags have this really bright orange inside and it's lovely how well it shows up on camera too because it's just awesome and it really proves my point. It's extremely easy to find stuff in here. Let's let's grab mojo jalapeno. It even has orange on it. It's still going to be super easy to find. Cross branding. Look it's right there. Look how easy that is. It's a black package in a bag. That's often really really hard to find because most people make their bags with with black inside. It's like a small touch it makes a big difference you know. It really does. I have a backpack that has an orange inside and I will never ever go back. It also has the like the air porter zippers so you can lay your bag out like that. Really easy so you can get through everything super wide open. It's got nice little like mesh things. You have a bottle in there or some cards or whatever. It has a little card that explains how you can use it if you don't want to listen to me. And I like this too. You guys aren't going to be able to see this very well but in the thin top zipper you know how a lot of bags will have like the the small zipper at the top. This one right here if you open that up the pocket inside is like a reinforced area. It's not I don't think it's plastic or anything and it's covered in like a felt like material. I probably called it wrong. I'm not very good at identifying materials but it's a very soft type of material that's on top of some formed cup like shape. So if you put something in there that's relatively fragile and you have big stuff in here that wax into it it'll be okay because the cup thing is going to keep its shape and protect whatever you put inside. That's actually kind of cool. That's a good idea. I haven't really seen that in a lot of bags before. We're showing off their other one as well. If you want this is the black pack if you want a different type of bag. One thing that I really like about these guys too is they'll have on different bags they'll have this guy. Can I pull this out? It's a wall plug. Why do you need a wall plug for your backpack? Well it's and it nicely tucks on the side of the bag as well so you don't even have to open up your bag to get access. You don't have to open up the main compartments of your bag to get access to it. That wall plug is for this. This has a standard plug so you plug your laptop or something into it. It has two USB ports. One of them is already plugged in because the cable feeds through to the front of the case but you could unplug it and put whatever you want in there. The cable that comes with it is actually nice. It's reinforced with a spring so that the cable isn't gonna like get damaged in your bag which makes sense because it's gonna stay in your bag. I don't know I think that's wonderful because you could just get home plug your bag into the wall and it automatically charges everything that's in. Just waiting around at the airport you just want to charge all your stuff at once. Boom done. Someone tweeted me after the last Moss backpack sponsorship talking about like oh that's just expecting trouble because someone's gonna plug it into the wall and walk away from it and it's gonna get determined as a bomb. Just don't don't walk away from your bag. Don't walk away from it. Most the plugs in airports that people designing these airports generally know that people want to charge their stuff so most of the plugs are near seats. Have a sit do whatever you need to do if you want to go get some food or go to the washroom unplug take your backpack with you like you normally would so that people don't think it's a bomb in an airport. That's like they they say over the loudspeakers the whole time do not leave luggage unattended. It is still luggage despite having a plug. That was what I was going to say like I'm pretty sure they would treat it an unattended bag as suspicious even if there weren't a cable sticking out of it. Yeah like it doesn't matter so yeah yeah so that has nothing to do with anything. Great backpacks I love the plug feature I love the orange I love the cup thing that they're doing. But yeah check it out at the link below if you are on YouTube or just check them out on Kickstarter if you look Moss Backpacks on Kickstarter. Kickstarter interesting and should be good to go. I think they're doing another campaign because these guys definitely have had laptops out before. I personally know someone who has bought them off of their website so I'm assuming it's a it's a new thingy they're doing on on Kickstarter. I'm assuming that's the Blackpack that they're kickstarting. Anyways beyond there we have LTX LTX Expo if you want to come visit the team meet the team meet me even though I'm not on the team. Ho ho that makes sense. Come to LTX it's a meet up an interactive tech event the interactive part here is important. I feel like it always takes away I feel like we need to get like testimonials from people that go next time so we can play them in this section. It isn't just an event about passive absorption. Yeah I feel like it takes a little bit away from it because it's an event we're holding and I'm the one talking about it but LTX is legitimately one of the coolest events I've been to. I've only been to one because there's only been one but the interactive part is super cool because you go to these conventions and when I went to conventions when I was younger they were a little bit more grungy a little bit less planned out and there was a little bit more hand-on action because like I remember PAX when I first went there they'd just be hocking prizes out of the booths there'd be more hands-on stuff because it was a smaller con. It was a smaller con they weren't as worried about things then they started getting in trouble for different stuff and they had to close it down. We are keeping that in mind we don't want to get in trouble for stuff but we're keeping all the booths interactive. So like one of the really cool things that's coming this year is how to do delid your CPU. So you can bring a CPU and you'll have professional people showing you how to delid it in person. Where else can you get that? I literally think nowhere. Really cool. Every single booth is going to have some type of interactive setup with it. Current booths include a blind cable management competition brought to you by Cable Mod, a delidding workshop so you can bring your CPUs and we'll show you how to delid it, case toss 2.0, hopefully you'll do better than I did, multi-headed VR, a 20 pc LAN brought to you by iBuyPower, the 12k ultra-wide gaming setup and tons tons more. I guarantee there will be tons more. There is already tons more I don't know why it's not listed here probably just because it'd be way too much to say. There's also going to be food, music, cool systems to look at, more room, more swag and more special guests than last year. There will be exclusive live unboxings just like last year and more. You can come hang out with us. The tickets start at $35 Canadian and you can check them out through the link below or because you're watching on Twitch right now. Or unless you're watching this later. That's I said right now and that's relative. So if you're watching it at 549 Pacific time on Friday then the link is just LTXExpo.com but if not link below. It's only $26.50 USD for our American viewers. It's nothing. Yeah it's not that expensive and it's a really fun convention. I want people to go. I want people to go because I want to keep doing it because it's literally last year's was more fun for me than last year's PAX was and I've been going to PAX since I was. Yeah the last year's LTX was very enjoyable. I agree 100% with that. Even like as an attendee I'm going to be 100% honest here. I didn't invite most of my like personal friends to LTX last year because I was like it's probably just going to be a fan meetup. There's going to be a few things to do but it's probably mostly going to be a fan meetup and then I was like holy crap I feel pretty bad because it was really fun and none of them came because I didn't invite them so wrecked but they're invited this year because it'll be good. Moving back to normal news. Whoop wrong screen. I gotta stop eating that savage jerky man. It's so good. Nope keep going. Who cares. Okay. It's your bag as far as I'm concerned. That's true. You don't have to stop. Let's move on. New iOS security feature has already been bypassed. Oh boy. This was posted by Captain To Fire on the forum and our source is the forum. But yeah iOS 12 introduces a new USB restricted mode that makes it harder for law enforcement agencies to thwart iPhone security. USB restricted mode requires that an iPhone be unlocked with a passable with a passcode when connected to a computer via USB if the device has not already been unlocked in the last hour. Wow. Meaning phone hacking and forensic tools shouldn't be able to unlock phones. In an email obtained by Vice a forensic expert claims that Grey Shift has already defeated Apple's new USB restricted mode in a beta build. USB restricted mode is currently in beta testing and will launch to the public soon according to Apple. Is this a thing like cat and mouse game between Apple and the government? Yeah. And this is just the latest chapter of that. There was some and there was some district attorney down in Louisiana who was saying that Apple was literally promoting criminal activity by doing this. And I'm just sitting here like if you won't be able to take you seriously and be on your side, maybe don't say things like that. But regardless of how you feel about it, the fact that it's already been defeated is a little bit humorous to me just because like I said, there's this constant arms race between Apple and these law enforcement folks who, because the FBI has been lobbying for years and years to try to force Apple to have a back door into their products if they want to do an investigation. So yeah, I think it could have something to do with the betaness of the build because they beat it on the beta possibly. And we have had security firms lie about beating Apple's security before. Eventually, they've kind of figured it out. But they've lied in the early term. What do we know about gray shift? Who knows? Off the top of my head, not a ton. I've heard of them before. Gray shift. They sell phone unlocking services. Gray shift iPhone unlocker. Mysterious $15,000 gray key promises to unlock iPhone X for whatever. Yeah, they're they're a phone unlocking thing. I've heard of them before. I just wasn't sure. To be fair, if it's that I'm starting to remember a little bit more about them now. If it's them, they probably did it. Oh, so wrecked, I guess. Yeah. Oh, well, we'll see if it holds through with the beta. But even if it doesn't, when you've got groups like gray shift, constantly consistently going after your stuff and making a profit on it in a government sanctioned way, you're probably boned. Yeah, you mean because you have an incentive, especially everything's hackable, right? So like, at some point, yeah, that sucks. Microsoft to help Walmart get rid of cashiers. Oh my, Microsoft is reportedly working on this was posted by no one, maybe. But our sources are second ago.com. Microsoft is reportedly working on technology that removes the need for cashiers and checkout lines and stores similar to Amazon's technology already implemented in its Amazon go brick and mortar store. So Microsoft is essentially doing the same thing as them. The exact technology isn't explained, but it may be linked to the company's new connect for Azure project. This project builds on connects current abilities and can be used to execute spatial mapping and motion tracking. While it's unclear how far along Microsoft is in developing this technology, the company has reportedly shown sample tech to potential partners, and has even talked to Walmart about implementing it directly. Amazon is expected to open new go locations in Chicago and San Francisco soon. Microsoft is making interesting moves. This is a big deal to me because, because okay, so Amazon go, they're putting the technology, they have one store in Seattle, they're playing two more, okay. And they're gonna put in Whole Foods, right? I mean, they're, I mean, they're not as big as Walmart, but they're a big chain. This to me is like Microsoft saying, okay, well, I'll see your little dinky operation at Whole Foods and I'll raise you Walmart. You know, so we're talking about like the biggest retailer in the US and Microsoft is trying to just, it looks almost like it's trying to like own the full stack essentially. Like they want the store, they want the technology in the store, they want everything. And Microsoft is like, no, we don't need everything. We just want to have this. We'll see if they can do it. Cause I think the challenge here is that Microsoft sort of cloud processing, processing capability, it's not quite as big as Amazon's as with AWS. So we'll see how that works out for them. Yeah. That's quite interesting. Well, we'll see though, cause Microsoft buying GitHub and making this move right now is probably what the kind of stuff that they need to do. I don't know if it's best for consumer interest, but if I'm just thinking about this from a Microsoft point of view, I don't know. But it's from a Microsoft point of view. This is the kind of stuff that they need to do. They were, they were early with the whole windows thing. They were early and on the ball with technology back then. Then they tried for quite a while with different hardware stuff. Obviously Xbox was quite successful, but outside of that, Windows phone, Zune, et cetera. Okay. Zune was amazing. Well, the product may have been good, but it just didn't catch on in the marketplace or two different things. So Zune music software was sweet. And the Zune itself was amazing. It just didn't, it didn't, it didn't pick up. They were just late to the party. They were just late to the party. Cause by the time Zune was like really, you know, people started reviewing it positively, like, oh, iPod was already a thing. So yeah, yeah, yeah. I wish, I do really wish that Zune kind of took off, but it didn't. So I feel like everyone is pivoting their business a little bit these days. It feels like every large firm is doing it to some degree. That makes sense. Cause a lot of the guys have been doing the same thing for a long time. Speaking of Microsoft, Steam is dropping Windows XP and Vista support in 2019. This was posted by SC2 Mitch on the forum. Again, we always have one from him. It's the, starting on January 1st, 2019, Steam will officially stop supporting the Windows XP and Windows Vista operating system. Press F to pay respects. This means that after that date, the Steam client will no longer run on those versions of Windows. I suspect it's just not getting updates. They could lock out access to the Steam store. They could cause it's essentially a browser. I don't know if they're going to, but they could. So the newest features in Steam rely on an embedded version of Google Chrome, which no longer functions on older versions of Windows. Yeah. So I don't think you'll get updates for the remainder of 2018. Steam will continue to run and launch on Windows XP and Windows Vista, but other functionality in Steam will be somewhat limited. New features such as the Steam chat will not be available. I don't know if people running those systems will care. So we'll see. Gmail can remind you to reply. That's actually super cool. As part of its new design, Gmail has started resurfacing old unanswered emails with a suggestion that you should reply by bumping the email thread to the top of your inbox. Gmail also breaks the email thread to the top of your inbox. Gmail also breaks the chronological order of your inbox, which is kind of poo, but you can probably disable this. Gmail lets you disable all smart features. There we go. The very next note. Some users don't want smart categories, important emails first, and smart reply suggestions. You can tick off the boxes, suggest emails to reply to, and suggest emails to follow up on if you don't want to see this orange text ever again. I do want to see it personally, so I'm going to leave that there. This is me spitballing, but I'm guessing they probably integrated the priority feature. You know, where it marks certain things as important. So they used the form of that. Yeah, because you would hate for it to tell you to reply to an email, hey, walmart.com, say 50% on paper towels, and you wouldn't want to get nags to reply to that. But yeah, so someone in chat said Steam did a hardware survey a while back. They probably saw it wasn't worthwhile to continue support. Yeah, I recently checked it out because I was having a bad day and I was really frustrated with the fact that my stream deck from Elgato didn't work on Windows 8.1 and it would like, it hurts my brain that that doesn't work. And it's so confusing because it's actually a pretty sweet piece of tech. And like alternatives that actually do all of the same things are way more expensive in most cases. And alternatives that do almost the same thing, well, they don't do quite the same thing. And it's not even that I need it. I don't. I could just use a MIDI controller. But it's cool. It's nice and small. The buttons are all framed. You can change what this shows on the screen. It's a really cool device and it only works on Windows 10. It doesn't make any freaking sense to me. And what drove me nuts was because people have hacked it and forced it to work on other operating systems by just, all they did in the one case was they took out the check that checks if you're on Windows 10 and it just works. It doesn't work anymore. They updated it and now it doesn't work, but it did for a little while and I can't find. So what's the rationale to stop it from working on Windows 8.1? I haven't got what I think of as a satisfactory answer. I'm sure there's something. What they've been saying is it's just too much to support. But what drove me nuts about that was that just taking the flag out made it work. But then technically they have updated it since then and it doesn't work anymore. I doubt they forced that guy's hack to not work. So they probably just used something that doesn't work on previous versions of Windows and now it doesn't work. It's just, the thing that drives me nuts is I looked into the Steam hardware survey and all the people not using Windows 10 is a pretty huge market share. And I can't imagine that it wouldn't be worth the dev work to have that available market share. Now something that they may have done in terms of market research is looking at, well, the people that aren't using Windows 10, are they willing to buy it? Maybe they're not using Windows 10 because they don't have the money to have a newer computer. That's possible. I don't see the merit in that, but that could be what Elgato is seeing. I wonder if it has to do anything with just some sort of CYA kind of security thing where they're just saying, oh, well, it's an older version of Windows. It's just kind of less secure by default and we don't want to be blamed if something goes wrong with our product because they're running like an old version of Windows. It could be as simple as that. So who knows? Yeah. Someone said it was free to upgrade. Yeah. But some people with like, I'm talking, yeah, some people, no, that's a good point. I don't know. I don't know what their reasoning is. I can't understand it. It doesn't make any sense to me. But anyways, I was looking up Steam hardware surveys to try to justify my rage because I really, really, really want this thing to work, but I cannot use Windows 10 because I will rip my eyes out. So anyways, I can't use the freaking Stream Deck because I can't find the executable for the version that works with just the flag taken away. I can find, I can GitHub download the like hack that removes the flag. That's fine. I can't find the executable for the installer that works that way. And I don't care about whatever new updates they have. It doesn't matter to me at all. So yeah, anyways, that's why I've seen, yeah, there's basically no one running XP and Vista on Steam anymore. Moral of the story. There you go. Because I looked at the Steam hardware surveys and yeah, it's a pretty small percentage. Someone in chat said, Windows 10 is 55.5%, Windows 7 is 33.57%, Windows 8.1 is only 4.07%. Yeah, that's fine. My thing is if they make it work for Windows 7, which is 33.6% essentially percent of the audience, which is a huge percentage, it will work for 8.1. It will. Or it'll be one of those situations where we can just remove the flag of them saying that it won't work for 8.1 and it'll install just fine. I'm not trying to say that everyone uses Windows 8.1. I realize I'm in a very small category there, but Windows 7 is huge and I want to lean on that to be able to get support for older versions of Windows that will essentially include Windows 8.1 because 7 to 8.1 compatibility is very good. Going two more is a little bit more of a stretch though. So yeah. Yep. Anyways, that's it for the WAN Show. Oh, is that it? Yeah, I think so. There's no other topics. Super Smash Brothers is going to have 65k or something like that. Super Smash Brothers is going to have 65 characters for Switch. Is that not in here? I'm looking right at it. Why did I not see it? What other news did I miss? That's basically it though. Okay. Yeah. I'm just gonna scroll right over it. Yeah, it's a bajillion characters. I think they said every character... Everyone who's ever fought in a Smash game is in this game. Okay. Is it true though? Because I saw people talking about Waluigi. Was Waluigi ever in a Smash game? I don't know. Maybe it's a trophy. I don't know if you could actually select him to fight though. I forget. Whoa. MotherboardVice.com has a counterpoint. F. Waluigi. He doesn't deserve to be in the new Smash Bros. That's a little aggressive, guys. Yeah, he's kind of an irritating character. I think they might have a point. Oh my goodness. It's... Yeah, so everyone that's in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, except for Waluigi, essentially. Waluigi missing from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. I don't care. Someone might care. Maybe he was left out intentionally. Maybe. Maybe he'll be DLC. Can you imagine? I could just imagine the storm that would happen if they had the Waluigi DLC. That would be really funny to see. That would be great. Costs 60 bucks for one character. So there is a new score counter that pops up during one-on-one fights when anybody is KO'd. Each fighter has gotten some kind of graphical tweak to some degree, which makes sense. There's two new playable characters. Ridley, the alien pterodactyl boss from the Metroid series, and Inklings, the squid kids from Splatoon. They were already in Mario Kart, so they just added them to Smash now. I don't know if... Yeah, anyways. Fighters must now choose their battleground stage before picking a character. That's different. It's always the other way around, right? Yeah, that's weird. That actually makes sense. It says, due to professional players favoring certain stages for certain characters. Yeah, that makes sense. In picture preview window, when any combatant is launched off the screen, that also makes sense to me. But yeah, apparently it will launch on Nintendo Switch on December 7th, 2018. Cool. Just in time for Christmas. Sounds like I'll be getting yet another game for my Switch on December 7th, 2018. They should have released it on Black Friday, just to see the meltdown. I'm really happy they didn't. Just like the parking lot butt-whoopens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would love to see that. Hyrule Fight Club 24-7, pretty much. Hyrule Castle is the only map for me, boy. But yeah, anyways, that's actually it for Wanshow. Sorry, headphone users. And we'll see you next week, when your ears stop bleeding.