 All right, it's when show time again, and you guys may or may not have noticed there's something a little different About the show today. I know what it is I'm screen sharing off a Mac. I'm using a Mac. Oh, no. That's it isn't it concept. I know right So yeah, we've got a couple special guests. We've got Jays two cents from the YouTube channel Jays two cents There's pretty much no way you guys don't know who he is and then we've got Demetri from hardware Canucks Who a lot of you will probably know who he is as well, so we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today What are they oh? Yeah in unexpected news AMD's Vega graphics cards are more expensive than MSRP. Oh my god I was all that coming more Vega news. Oh wait. I've got okay. You guys are all being sarcastic, which is kind of a dick move Okay, there's not a sarcastic show no okay. This is a This is a forthright and clear communicative show that sentences in other news Intel claims that the 8700 K will be about 11% faster than the 7700 K Cool and can we just not say anything if we're gonna be not so you know what if you guys aren't gonna like You guys aren't gonna do the show nicely then You could just go actually no no I'm just gonna go Okay, well after that we have probably more This is the end this is the end of everything the end of days You were the weakest like goodbye goodbye Oh, where'd you find that what I was looking for it Neither of us could find it. We're both looking for yeah good job Nick magic hands magic hands Oops I clicked the wrong thing uh Okay back on the oh no terrible everything's terrible. What are you doing? Hold on hold on I got this Okay there and sponsors There we go don't worry about it. Don't worry about the NASCAR hat. There's reasons that will be revealed at another time Yeah, reason it has nothing to do with scrapyard wars or the closed-toed shoes. Yeah Not that these guys are here also has nothing to do. Yes Nothing we flew in for when show at when show only okay, so actually I think that's probably a great topic for us to start with guys Get amped about the upcoming season of scrapyard wars. It's probably not gonna be out for like Six weeks to eight weeks like I'm talking first episode But it's our Christmas present to you You know first on float plane, and it'll be out first on float plane by that time It was victories by that time float plane. No, let's not go with that float plane might not even exist anymore for all we know who knows But what I will say I'm you know there's gonna be no spoilers on the show today you guys But what I will say is a huge. Thank you to Jay and Demetri for flying all the way up here Pleasure was all ours. Yes. Thank you for the invite cool. I'm yeah was like we had a lot of fun so that's that's the only spoiler I'll give you guys is it was a ton of fun and Yeah, you know what that's it. That's it So and now radio silence and don't even bother trying to get anything out of these guys because they know The scrapyard wars code yeah say something and die I mean It's more like What is it? a say um thing say and a I day you know we'll go with the pig Latin version of the code But yeah, I just like that we left it where it's that's it in that show All right, so guys first first article today. This was posted by stay us on the forum and the original article here How do I click a link on a Mac? What the hell is this yes, okay? Yeah, no spoilers. Okay. I just want to now it works Don't push too hard. Oh Oh Press what why fresh? I know pressure. Oh, and then I go I go to do I go to use the touchscreen to zoom and it's like No, you'll have to do it My computer back okay anyway anyway Aib partners to gamers nexus is supposed to buy steve work. You know steve right? Yeah, you know steven. Yeah, okay? Uh gibbo was right like that guy about AMD price-changing like his hair AMD Basically came out of the game with Vega 56 and Vega 64 with and I think you guys in your reviews probably agreed Vega 64 looks Okay, other than being a couple years late because it's basically an overclocked 980 ti and Vega 56 looks pretty good. It's the $400 King Okay, okay for compute anyway, okay, so now it looks like Launch price of Vega 64 was supposed to be $500 But quickly shot to 600 US dollars in the wake of immediate inventory selling out so is this actual MSRP? And or is this just stores reacting? I'm going with the latter Yeah, see yeah, because we can't really blame them for that, so this is interesting apparently What does the AMD website say? AMD provided the top retailers and e-tailers with a $4.99 price on Vega 64 coupling sale of the card with a rebate to reduce spend by retailers So basically that's like it's you it's usually called like a POS rebate a point-of-sale rebate apparently The rebate is already expiring Hence the price jump by retailers oh It was that fast yeah, well see this is something that is kind of not public knowledge This is more And I'm sure I'm over like the statute of limitations for my old job as a as a product manager But it is It is pretty tight to be an AMD partner mm-hmm I've gotten a lot of feedback in the industry over the years Being an Nvidia add-in card partner I think they call them AI bees and I think AMD calls them a ICs adding card versus add-in board right being an Nvidia partner versus an AMD partner is Supposedly a lot better now XFX you guys probably remember this yeah, yeah, when did they jump ship? MD yeah like wasn't like 4000 series six six thousand. Oh, sorry six thousand series. Oh, no. No it was 4000 series I think you're right so it was like so that was when AMD looked because they were competing against Was that the 480 generation or had they just G was out then they just hadn't refreshed in forever basically they they turn tail on Nvidia and they went to AMD and My understanding is that it's been pretty rough over there is Is is all I can all I can really say, but what are your guys's thoughts on? The pricing of Vega 64 in particular it looks like here having effectively been increased I Think it's only gonna be beneficial for those that are using the compute performance honestly not as a gaming card Right because at that point it makes no sense now you're talking to an ATI pricing which dominates it in games But at the exact same time not not in terms of making sense, but AMD right now has a very aggressive very dedicated fan base So it might not even matter my my concern with this though was that that fan base is usually though attached to the performance per dollar aspect of being an AMD fan And yeah, but AMD has put a lot of work into making it a rebellious stance Instead of just necessarily a performance per dollar because they were definitely performance per dollar Like with the 3000 series Intel processors and Like a couple generations back like 200 series AMD graphics cards, but more recently I feel like they've been shifting it I think the bigger question here I think the bigger question here the one that affects our audience and the one that affects us as reviewers more is this artificial rebate That's only valid for I mean the card only launched what a week ago So a rebate that they're putting on the card for a week to hit a price that isn't sustainable That affects your conclusion about the card and yours, and it's not like especially as youtubers It's not like we can go back and edit our article be like yeah the price to performance sucks Donkey balls and not not to flatter ourselves, but that's where a lot of research is happening right now is YouTube especially for people that are getting new into computers And might not think to check a whole bunch of different sites like written sites that can be updated Like gamers next this guy. We just talked about him. He might say in his video pricing and stuff is in is on our website I've seen him say that before so that they can update it But that's cool, but like for something like like a 499 feeling changes Yeah, like a like a budget graphics card where they're going like we're the we're the new 499 or 399 king 399 king and then if we if our conclusion is check the link in the description for price for the most up to date Racing on Amazon, but we say yeah AMD's position this card really well its performance looks great And the value is great If it's a if it's 80 or $100 more expensive I feel like what they've done is they've made Nvidia feel like a more compelling deal or budget at that point I mean because 1070 right competes against 56 and 56 was beating 1070 pretty much across the board But now you increase that price. Why would I want a 56 unless I'm going compute? I mean if I can use the compute aspect of it then yeah it dominates both of them dominate what Nvidia has to offer But the question is how many of these buyers are actually buying them for compute or to be a part of that rebellion nation? You know also will this affect any of the bundle stuff that the AMD has? It would have to right yeah, it would have to so the bundles would have to go up by 100 bucks here Yeah, I feel like yeah, the bundles would just go up, and I don't think anything else would change I don't think the bundles are gonna get any better. I think the bundles were a terrible idea to begin with I just really don't like being screwed around with like this. Yeah, I don't like being manipulated in a way Where like there's there's a couple things and you know what it's one of those things where I'm not just gonna crap on AMD for This like you and I've talked about this offline I think I might have mentioned it to you, but I think it's a good idea to just get the bundles up But I was really really displeased when Nvidia had a separate unboxing embargo for the 1080 Ti because you know what that is that's Nvidia saying Max do you need some help over there? What are we changing I don't know Okay Focus now. I really would have just maybe left it also pointed towards Linus a little bit more That's a bit okay, okay, let's just let's not touch it anymore, okay Thanks Max. Okay. Well, what were we talking about again to your time at the unboxing, right? Okay, so there were a couple things wrong with that number one was that Paul had already done an unboxing at the event and that's nothing Yeah, because why not super cool, but I think they saw the traction that that sort of got and then they came up with the idea of like oh we better reel this in and you know put an embargo on this because what they're trying to get because That effectively what they're getting when they do a launch event We all accept it because it gives us access to talk to the developers of the product Right in a way that we don't get to on just a lot more helpful than a conference call Yeah, so so we all accept these events that they do because it's also an opportunity to network within the industry most of the time I've spent with you guys. It has has been an event industry events But what's really frustrating is that Nvidia? Controls the narrative at that point because any news story and we have to do a news story because everybody else is gonna do a new story So that's my upload that day. That's Jays upload that day. That's Demetri's upload that day That's other content that might be more meaningful because it's not just regurgitating the same information Everybody has that isn't going up because we're busy traveling for a day Yeah, spending a day at an event and then traveling back for another day We just spent 1% of our year on This event to make the same piece of content that everybody else is making for me personally and they're okay They're not a huge fan Yeah There can be some value to that because people might have different Opinions or insights or ideas about how something might be used blah blah blah But it's a lot. It's a lot to put on one item and when you have to do just an unboxing It's a it's pretty unlikely that you'll have a lot of unique insights. Well, not even that This is kind of off topic a little bit But then it goes as far as starting to break down the information like you can get this piece of information We get this piece later this piece tomorrow right the pricing issue that happened with 1080ti which was a huge issue Yeah, so what this looks like to me because Nvidia is effectively getting marketing out of bringing people to this event They're just regurgitating whatever was on Nvidia slides because that's all the information we have so far Yeah, we don't have any benchmarks like how fast is the the uber card? 10,000 or whatever. So then there's that date. Let's say let's say March 1st for the sake of argument Then March 14th would be the review embargo typically or yeah, like they ever give us two weeks Yeah, maybe like March 8th would be the review embargo that gives us a week to get back home Test it formulate our opinions and go. Okay that thing we talked about a week ago. Here's the real skinny now They're putting this additional day a few days later where they're going. Okay now you can publish your unboxing Here's the problem with that the unboxing contains no information That's new. Yeah, and especially when it's not even retail packaging. Yeah, it's just a physical showcase It's a glamour video I think they should be paying for that because effectively what they're getting is marketing So when Nvidia sent us an embargo for an unboxing of the 1080ti I basically sent them back an angry email when this is BS you guys are asking for free advertising No No Nvidia no hard no, right? Yeah. Yeah So Andy went and pulled the same thing with threadripper on the CPU side and then on the GPU side Honestly, this feels even worse in some way because instead of instead of asking for free marketing What they've done is they've manipulated the conclusions of what is supposed to be an independent evaluation Yeah, it's but I mean like you said it's so close to the launch date that's I mean our reviews are still not even cooled Off yet and now that whole the whole budget factor of it is just wrong and Like I'm sure one maybe two guys will make a video about that, right? Yeah, but there's only enough space for that because honestly most people in the audience won't really care They won't care in terms of like oh, I'm gonna watch all of these videos cuz I'm that interested You know what? I mean? No, so then it's the the ROI on making one of those isn't really there for the creators So then they're probably not gonna make it. Yeah, is the rebate information? Available to to the reviewers until a certain point. I didn't know anything about no rebate Yeah, I didn't know anything about it and I didn't know that it was gonna be expiring after a week Yeah, if they had been upfront about that, then this is a totally different conversation And that's and that's and that's not even that it doesn't even mention the fact that they only launched with Bendals to begin with anyway Yeah, it's really hard to find a card by itself the bundles were the only thing you could find all the retailers were doing bundles Yep, and I mean like if we want to keep going on about grievances with the RX Vega launch You know, when did you get your Vega 56? Friday before the launch. Yeah, so we got it Friday morning before what was it a Monday 6 a.m. Launch? Yeah, so If anyone from AMD is watching I'm gonna break this down for you Saturday and Sunday are both considered weekends and it is fairly typical for people who have a life or a family or Both I don't know if anyone has both or none Can you have a life and a family? Okay, whatever not the point the point the point is that those two days are weekend days Which are generally considered the days that you spend having a life or having a family, right? So then we have to make the choice right so I have to tell my wife and my kids last minute like hey I've got to work all day Saturday. Oh, and by the way, I'm gonna be leaving for a whole week right after that You know, so I lose a whole whole Saturday with them Yeah, and literally that was we just added a whole sixth workday to the week for just to handle that Well, you could just you could just wait and you could you could just publish so here's the thing we had Vega 64 like a week before and We had the drivers and everything and we were told that Vega 56 Was going to be coming was going to be lifted way later I like quite a bit later so we weren't so we were like we were like, yeah Everything's fine and then a card literally arrived here Friday morning I think if 56 and I was like, what are we supposed to do with a message asking to prioritize it? Did they for you? Yeah. Oh, I don't I think we didn't get that until like even later in the day Yeah, I know the message was 56 is coming. Please please prioritize it if you can I got a new driver on the weekend Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. And remember guys. This is a 6 a.m. Pacific launch time So you have to be done the night before you actually have to be rendering your video by like Sunday evening Because there might be errors some of the things you have to correct the render might not work There might be edits you have to make because of a problem Terrence very intimately familiar with this Yeah, so Well, it's kind of like right before the new CPU platform launches to you right how many BIOS updates are there like up to? The day of launch I would be it's really funny people are joking in the twitch chat about like youtuber union or something like that Here is an interesting thought. Oh, I'm directly what if every Tech guy on YouTube got together and said no Screw your embargo We'll go when we're all ready. I've kind of started doing that Vega is the first actual embargo date. I've hit in a long time thread. We're ready to hit Ryzen 3 5 & 7 I didn't hit Intel. I usually go for like two three days after everybody publishes two three weeks sometimes because I'm tired of the situation Like Linus is talking about and what you're talking about with last-minute drivers and stuff that I just wait for things to kind of settle And then I'm going to start making a like review embargo alliance Yeah Review embargo alliance cuz like I'm we we had to pull in we had to pull in multiple people on a Saturday Yeah to come in basically because the video was completely done Yeah, by the time we had a Vega 56 in our hand. Yeah Yeah, so Terrence over there informing us that it was indeed him that edited it all too Yeah, so now he has like that didn't get to go anywhere I've just gotten so sick and tired of all the last-minute changes in the way it actually changes the whole landscape That I've just decided like I'm no longer going to abide by the embargo dates trying to hit them if I'm late That's fine enough my audience is willing to wait and watch it anyway Yeah, but I'm tired of feeling like I'm just an extension of someone else's marketing team. So tell me this Oh shoot, I completely lost track of what I was gonna say there bloody hell. Sorry. It's been a long week It has something something embargo something embargo union. Yeah, something something etc. Yeah, forget it. I got nothing so Basically, I'm frustrated. It's stupid and had enough of this crap Had enough of this crap. Oh Now I'm really frustrated. It was like a it was like a great discussion thing I was really looking for talk about something very temporarily while you can try to think about that Do you want to talk about what the the premise or the rules were for the scrapyard wars? Yeah, go ahead Go ahead. So for this scrapyard wars The idea was instead of starting at the office and working out of the office the entire time like we have in the past We had two teams should we sit with the teams were yeah, there are that's already public. Oh, okay Yeah, so it all right that makes sense So it was myself and jay and linus and demetri and we started out actually in the city of vancouver Which is about an hour from here And we had a fair amount of cash. I can say how much but a fair amount of cash But some of that cash had to be allocated to Food and water You had no budget for food. You couldn't just buy food normally in scrapyard wars You could buy whatever food you wanted while you're going with your own money But this time to be fair, it didn't have to it's just if it's allocated from your budget. Yeah anything you spent Anything you need anything? Yeah to come out of that budget if you wanted to bike somewhere You'd have to buy or rent a bike if you wanted to transit somewhere further out You have to get a bus pass or a transit pass of some sort or get a cab or whatever So yeah, it was it was a very interesting setup both teams Decided to go at it in certain ways that i'm not going to describe because i'm worried about going too deeply into it Uh, but yeah, it was very interesting quite a bit different from any other scrapyard wars I'm just laughing all the get j water comments because I took a drink from an empty cup. I was like, oh I'm trying to make up for all the water that you know, we needed. Yes. Yeah, don't spoil it water doesn't spoil So what? No, the uh Don't say it. You figured it out last year Yeah, I never figured out what it was But I had really like just wanted to talk a little bit more about um sort of How they're handling it and how it's uh We've had to do it before we've had to delay videos. We've missed embargoes, which are Fairly important, but we found not the most important thing and sometimes it helps if there does happen to be a change Yeah, because then we can talk about the change and that one video will pick up traction But it's usually only us or only j or only dimitri or only one type of creator Um that's making that one delayed video and I do wonder what the what the The fallout would be not really fall out But what would the impact be if suddenly the entire tech scene on youtube just said no, we're not going to hit your embargo We all collectively say we'll wait two weeks to see where things land Because we'd still be in that window of amd pulling this or would they just postpone this I don't know. I don't know how they'd react because I told them I think you guys should push it I think they might I think they might think initially especially something like nvidia, right? They might think that there's not gonna be any impact whatsoever But that's that'd be an interesting metric to see how it actually plays out I don't think nvidia gives two craps what any of us think I think you're right to be perfectly honest Um, it's really funny because like I think you take this somewhat, too But we we take flack all the time for being in nvidia's pocket or whatever. Oh somewhat I take somewhat. Yeah. Yeah, no We do when show is brought to you by nvidia, so Yeah, well according to the audience anyway so like it's it's one of those things where like you know i've butted heads with them a fair number of times Recently more often than I like go to a nice dinner and you know talk shop Um, it's been it's been it's been pretty tough lately actually All right, so let's have a look at uh, we didn't get titan xp Neither did I until like now? Yeah, we have one now Yeah, because they were like oh what you guys don't have one? I was like no I asked for one for terry cruze and they said no Seriously what they turned me down until I made that video talk like talking crap about titan xp Which would have gone out regardless because I think it's a really stupid card based on like the way They're locking down the coup de corps and yeah, they're unlocking it multiple times in the same generation Uh, but it was after that that they were like two of them just showed up Right, right, so they they hand delivered them Yeah, I was like they're not even for me. I don't even care right they're not for me And like this is this is a stupid thing on both the vendor side and the audience side Do you guys honestly think that jay can be bought with a graphics card that doesn't pay my lease? Doesn't pay for my employees my insurance. Do you need more graphics cards jay? It's pretty obvious. I don't sell them. I mean you can see the shop You know, no, I they they do not run my business. In fact, I started buying more stuff than ever now I've noticed that you were talking about buying lots of stuff yourself Just it's just easier and it's it's not right away. You don't have to yeah. Yeah And that we have a scrapyard war experience you can buy more stuff too with someone else's money, which is great Speaking of someone else's money the show today is brought to you by cable bod. Yeah I've got some stuff over there. Yeah, okay. So cable mod now has Sleeving for aios. Have you guys seen this? Have you heard about this? Oh, I did a great review that was very well received. Oh, okay. I didn't watch it. I know you didn't I didn't watch it either So basically you buy your ai o and then with no actual Modification required you guys can go watch jay's video because we didn't review them Um, but there you go. 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I think you'll be good. I love habanero. Yeah, I think you'll be good Yeah, will I be good if you will if you don't like spice don't eat that one But if you like spice, it's it's good. The mojo one's not hot. No, the mojo one's a one It's like it's not even supposed to be hot good Yeah, yeah, give me two minutes. I'll be sweating Yeah, the reapers the reapers a bit of a kick that one kind of sucks that's a five sucks in terms of like It hurts it tastes good to be fair Don't that like it's like um The powder like sometimes I can breathe the powder Yeah But no flavors really good because they try to they they go pretty hard with the flavor stuff, which I like for beef jerky I think that's one of the reasons why well, that's the thing so much. I'm cool with hot Yeah, no, it's not it's not too hot I swear I'm cool with hot if it has flavor. Yeah hot for the sake of hot. No, I'm the same way Yeah, I can deal with a fair amount of spice, but it's I only it's not even like water helps with the with habanero I'm just thirsty. Yeah All right. I'm gonna drop a bomb on you guys. Uh, this was originally posted by num lock 21 on the forum The original article here is from video cards.com. So take it with a grain of salt uh intel claims the core i7 8700k will be 11 percent faster than the 7700k And here's what I want to know Because this is crazy. Well, it is to be fair This is a whole entire one percent higher than I would have guessed. This is what I want to know Who needed intel to claim this? Yeah to know that this was coming. Yeah I mean, this is literally Does does this mean does this mean about does this mean that they're not scared Okay, so here's the thing. So there's two things first of all The rumors are also that coffee lake is going to be available in six core configurations Which would legitimately be good. Okay So if they're keeping their 10% and adding cores if they're 10% faster in terms of ipc and they're adding 50 more cores then i'm looking at this going That's a good jump. Thank you for what should have happened two years ago, but Okay, yeah Fine Thank you I mean, I'll I still appreciate them doing something good even if Even if it was a long time coming And should have happened before so the 8700k is remembered to be the six core skewed It's supposed to be six core 12 thread with a single threaded boost over the 7700k of about 11 Yet there'll still be an i5 on x299 at that time uh Because x299 is going to refresh by then so yeah, I mean this is this is yet another reason I mean, you know, okay, you know my feelings. I know your feelings on the 7740 and the 7640 Those two skews Make no sense at all. Yep. And when coffee lake launches those skews remember the whole point Of the high-end desktop platform is supposed to be mucho memory bandwidth Mucho pcie lanes and mucho processing cores and moho jerky those chips have None of those things They have beefed up power delivery. So theoretically you can overclock them a little higher. They're still dual core They still have the mainstream platform number of pcie lanes and they're still quad core processors And they're pulling significantly more power than their mainstream counterparts. And now Compared to the mainstream platform that's coming. Oh, I don't know what It's rumored to be launching what in it? So it would be three months later if the rumors are true It will be two generations behind architecturally two And that might only be 10 percent per generation or you know, eight percent or whatever But still two generations times 10 percent is not complicated math. That's 20 percent So if you had a five gigahertz processor, let's say you're an overclocker. It's actually better than that Because 10 on top of 10 percent. That's right. So let's say you're you're an overclocker. You get to five gigahertz We're talking about now on this high-end platform You would be equivalent to the mainstream's performance at what like four gigahertz, right? Well, that's not good Why did I just go spend $350 on a motherboard intel because they're hoping you're gonna just step forward or future compatibility with more expensive bigger But why would you still spend you know almost $400 on that CPU for getting the i7? That's the thing it's like I get that argument if it's like a penny m dual core or something and that's devil's advocate Argument as far as i'm concerned, right? Like like i've seen that before like penny m anniversary edition where we're talking a hundred dollar chip, right? You buy something to get running today You hope it doesn't drop in value too much you flip because a hundred dollar cpu if it drops in value 20 Percents, we're talking 20 bucks. Yeah Right And if you if you've managed to save up your 400 or 500 dollars or whatever you need for an eight core processor by that point Then surely the 20 is not that big of a deal some time has passed I get that logic but here we're talking about a 300 plus dollar processor that you're buying as a placeholder Doesn't make sense. Do you guys buy a 300 dollar processor as a placeholder in the socket? I I don't really buy processors as placeholders Right And we never recommend that no Do you guys ever recommend that no buy hard buy hardware that isn't what you actually need and then like like buy something else later Yeah, I know unless you're like a crazy like craigslist or usite junkie Because like you've done this kind of stuff, but you're constantly flipping things So you were never planning on holding it for more than like possibly even two weeks But even then you're usually not buying new anyway, that's no yeah. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, so it's not even applicable So like I could see buying a 7740 from some idiot who bought it Realized that this was really stupid and then it's like oh crap. This thing isn't worth much Oh, I guess i'll just take a bath on it. I could buy from that guy. Yeah, and then Then I do buy myself a few months to save up and I can probably flip it for pretty close to what I paid But I wouldn't buy something like that new no That's why I threw mine in an HTPC just because I was like what else am I gonna do with this? Oh, I'll take the chip that doesn't make sense and put it in a form factor Does it make sense for an x299 platform to begin with so that my whole video was based on that? I just figured we'd put nonsense on top of nonsense And then I called it my vr rig on top of that. There you go. Oh my god vr capable vr capable sticker put it on We got to get as reviewers. We need to get our own vr capable stickers and just start putting them on every single It's a watermark on the video channel. Oh perfect. We are ready. This video is vr ready. Yes, but it's really not Well, you could technically if you put it in theater mode. Oh true. Yeah, just watch it in VR theater. Yes Figured out vr ready. This is vr ready Life is vr ready. Oh Right. Yeah, because you could buy an oculus or anything else in life, which means that it's vr ready I was going with sony vr or whatever it is. Oh, yeah also that What Yeah, okay. Uh, so the original article here is from ours technica I've been Completely out of the loop this week. So this isn't that crazy. I Can kind of explain why so apple is investing a huge amount? It says they're going all in but apple has a lot of money. Yeah billion dollars is not all in so not at all But they're they're putting a billion dollar budget to apple shows So they're doing like the first original series from them was planet of the apps and carpool karaoke and they're doing more But this isn't that surprising netflix is going really hardcore into original content They're going to be putting these shows on the apple music thing. So they probably need to rename that but oh well um a lot of these big companies that are trying to serve video are going into original content because licensing especially from Like big movies and big shows if you want to have all of them is Obscene Lee prohibitively expensive and this is something you and I have discussed um apparently There isn't a video streaming platform online Like a significant one. I mean that's in losing money. Yeah, and You know now that we are really doing sometimes there Well sometimes they're parts of bigger companies, and then they don't care that they're not losing money It's offset by some other aspect of the business exactly yeah, but the actual video streaming division whether we're talking YouTube um Amazon Prime video Netflix twitch as far as we can tell They're all losing money and like hearing from certain people that work at some of those companies not all of them But some of those companies we know people that I think we know at least someone at pretty much all of them. Yeah Which makes moves like Disney pulling all of their movies off of Netflix to have their own streaming service Just really make you scratch your head I mean I know Disney has Disney money to spend but still no company wants to bleed money But they all they already have a website, and they've already been streaming their own video to be fair So they just have to scale up yeah But you could get this up in other places now and their video is gonna be available only on one source So they're gonna have to probably upscale anyway And that way they can control the pricing too they can they can decide and they can control the content that goes around it Disney cares about that a lot. Yeah, they do and also users already getting Familiar with needing to get their hands into so many other platforms Yeah, and you know how we were talking about there's gonna be sites that pop up that bring everything together They already exist all right well there are anything yeah So you just kind of like login with all your logins there, and then it just becomes a single hub becomes one viewing site Yeah, so like I got tons of tweets about that last time yeah I think they're actually you know what I feel really stupid now because I know Samsung had a thing built into their smart TVs like a while back mixes it all together for years that actually it's just a browser of The other browsers yeah, it just goes and finds and it can even browse our rental services like Google Play That's me. You know what's really funny is on the subject of Apple doing their own original programming and like they should probably change the name of like iTunes now I I Gave Google so much crap about Google Play Store back when they did it now It totally makes sense. Yeah, yeah play music play games play videos. Oh They actually got that one right yeah way to go Google So it is get it way ahead of time when in the moment it didn't make a ton of sense It just made a lot more sense in the future. They were playing they were playing 3d chess They're doing the long game, and I was playing with checkers Wow That was that was what was going on there. I didn't get it I mean that you were you were making children at that point in time. No not yet, okay? Yeah, no not yet No, that was a solo effort. Oh, that's why it was just playing solo effort. I see yeah, okay Yeah, yeah, yeah Still fun game I'm surprised though the one billion here I put up the green screen picture from earlier and someone did that oh no I love how you said that No show him the other one Here I can I can pull it up yeah, it's pretty it's pretty so we We did meet you night earlier if you guys follow our social media We stood in front of their green screen And it was to give you guys an opportunity to key out and play around with green screen pictures There's some good. There's some really good creative people out there my goodness Just go to media oh there it is yeah also make sure to tag some of them might not be appropriate So you might not want to scroll live Okay, there it is. Well. There's there's the one we were looking for I'm sure you're thinking of their J. Would your wife approve is that who is that foxy? Foxy What's a it's a son Okay, oh man, that's great. Oh, that's that is great See you we're not a fun. We can have fun some I'll work all right, so here's some potentially big news So PC gamer calm reports, and I'm just gonna close this ad before I screen share with you guys and videos next-gen Volta gaming GPUs Not arriving anytime soon. Why would they so this picture right here is Jensen showing off Volta? Already super duper definitely working in the data center Which means based on the way that Nvidia rolls out product they launched their big GPU first and Whatever product that is it used to be g-force now It never is but I'm not bitter and video launches their big one first which means they've got the architecture Down and then they just they just cut they cut and cut and cut and the performance goes down according to how much they cut away That process usually takes like two to three months per per cut because there is an art it's obviously more complicated than just like taking a pair of scissors to a you know to a V 100 and like taping that to a PCB like So there's R&D that is involved with that and you've only got so many engineers at a time. It's a resource management thing So based on when they showed off Working like production Volta silicon For a while they could probably be launching a g-force card now if they felt that there's no reason to there's no mark There's there's no competition for them to do it and they push back Their HBM already generations from when the original road met back in like 2012 was leaked Yeah, it was Maxwell. I believe was when we were supposed to first things. Oh, yeah But we super did but they now look at Vega and there's just like why even invest in the manufacturing cost of this when we don't Have to when our when our traditional architecture is still topping the competition and the other thing too is like Nvidia Strategically you've seen it over the last five years has moved from try to make the GPU faster faster faster to try to build out Technology around the GPU whether it's stuff that doesn't make a ton of sense to me personally like Ansel Is that that screenshotting? Yeah thing where you can capture like super high resolution? Do you guys know anyone that uses that have you used it? I've used it only in a demo version just to see how High resolution you can go if you go like crank up the settings But outside of seeing how beautiful you can turn those screenshots for like Witcher 3 and other games There's never just you want like a big poster on your own You're I have never used it ever like I'll tell you guys this I remember this was a weird experience for me at a land party This is back when like I went to LAN party so clearly I like played video games But I wasn't really like I didn't have like a guild Or like a clan or anything like that so being like really into video games was kind of alien to me And there were these two people at a LAN and so they're like a 45 50 person LAN Which like it's big, but it's not that big they spent like two hours Literally it felt like you know uncle Harold's like vacation pictures One of them was showing the other one an album of wow screenshots Yeah, like this was the time we climbed to the top of frickin some mountain and whoever clicked through the thing and like Whoever clipped through the thing so it was hijal what I don't know what you're talking So you know this this this this might have been pretty cool. Okay one thing while screenshots was like a big deal Because you'd show boss kills and you'd usually have like the time stamp So if you were like world first or server first or whatever you could show the boss kill It could be and if he's talking about my hot No, I'm sure and this is when you were at LAN parties, so this is probably classic Wow correct Yeah in classic Wow you were not allowed to get to Mount hijal So he probably has a similar screenshot set to me Which is glitching through many walls and over many things and it takes like quite a while to get there And you're just like screwing the game repeatedly and you get to a part of the game that has like blizzard Co Construction signs and there's stuff that never got released that's in there Hmm like Archimonde's like big giant skull leaning up against this tree and stuff which was never in the game So it was actually super cool, and it was glitchers It wasn't necessarily just people that are interested in Wow because I was a glitcher back then I broke like every single aspect of Halo 2 To a friend of mine, Utah crusher. I haven't talked to you in many years but this guy named Utah crusher him and I used to play Halo 2 together and We were like in the first group of people that found the switching from rocket to a sword and flying across the entire map glitch If you knew that one I killed hogger you would do this thing where the rocket The rocket you could aim at someone and it would show it would show red because you were targeting them right Do you remember that I never played Halo 2 that's an Xbox game? Okay? Whatever man if you if I think it happened in Halo 1 2 if you aimed over top of someone the aimer would turn red Anyways, I don't remember That was like a state and the sword if the aimer was red you would lunge towards them and the state was shared So if you switched it fast enough and lunged it wouldn't notice That it wasn't in that state anymore. So it would let you lunge to the person but they're super far away because it's the targeting from The rocket launcher so you just like and just fly it. It was pretty cool. We did a lot of other stuff, too Many many of the screenshots were just like here's me and this other person in a meadow. Yeah, it was really bad So, okay anyway back to cut back to the topic I love some of the stuff in videos building doesn't make a ton of sense to me like Ansel But some of the stuff they're building does make a ton of sense things like streaming Better better GPU based encoding and decoding. Okay, all that kind of stuff does make sense to me So pretty much what they're doing is they're kind of going we don't even we don't even need To develop a much much faster GPU every year. We're just gonna like put more tech in it to the point where even if the RX Vega 556 Was the same price as a GTX 1070 Nvidia's whole thing on their side is like we still think you should buy a 1070 anyway Because we do release day drivers every time. Oh by the way, they're wickle wall and then we've got all this other tech we've got your shadow play and and all that kind of stuff built into it and You know AMD's approaches. Oh, yeah, but like our approach is open and but you look at sometimes But Nvidia started opening stuff up to though sometimes open makes sense, but only if you're actually doing any work Yeah, cuz like look at okay. So stereoscopic 3d However much of an abortion you may or may not think it is Nvidia did a better job because they actually did work on it Whereas AMD was just like yeah through I said 3d and whatever that other thing was You can enable stereoscopic 3d on our cards, but they were these janky third party. Did you ever try I said 3d? It's no I didn't it was I never did Nvidia's 3d stuff either. It was awful Like if you think 3d is bad imagine 3d but like There's no oxygen just to say 3d ready or whatever Yeah, just just just just just to have the checkbox. It was super bad. Yeah, we did testing for that People are telling me to shut up Let me go like three quarters of the chat is Demetri In the chat, yeah So much of it you talked. Yeah, I mean you gave them what they wanted. Okay here I've got something for Demetri to discuss This was posted by Perino on the forum the original article here is from Ars Technica, and this blew my mind Bing is bigger than you think says Microsoft with a quarter of UK searches. Whoa wow So saying a quarter of the searches are from UK No, no a quarter of the UK's searches are Are using Bing 10% in Spain 19% in France 9% in The use though is it whatever that is what are they searching that they're just looking to buy to download Chrome That's probably legit man Apparently Taiwan is as high as 25% the US is 33. Yeah, the US is the biggest percentage 16% Canada, but these are just What these are just these are just figures being put out by Denmark is the lowest percentage Because they may be just using type to search which uses being as your as your search result I love how they're saying being is bigger than you think and then there's literally Multiple single digit percentages. Yeah, that is bigger than I think to be fair. Yeah, but like damn guys I I honestly think like to meet you said that's just because they're searching for another browser to download on but 33% Of all traffic in the USA is not searching for another browser to download like I'm not even just trying to be devil's advocate. That's not There's no way so if they're using Cortana, yeah Cortana uses Bing so anytime you type that in Click enter it so that's just a that's just a falsified not really falsified But it's it's skewed and that's making it look like but I'm not going to being I don't use Cortana to begin with but If I do a search or something down here, I'm not searching Bing I'm just searching here usually for something on my system, but yeah, but that doesn't work. Yeah, most of the time It just gives you driver download from from online, but it searches your internet as well simultaneously when you search for something local So that's not necessarily a good representation of being usage. Yeah that and I accidentally use being a lot Accidentally, yeah, you contribute to that. How many 13% 16% in Canada? 16% in Canada so I'll like I'll launch edge because I haven't bothered to install another browser yet And I'll search for something I'll be like oh crap And I'll have to someone in chat just said Alexa uses Bing and Alexa's huge in the States That would maybe make sense why it's 33% there because apparently globally it's about 9% hmm ouch and then 33% in the USA that's huge I I Even like Hong Kong uses being That can't be right. I'm pretty sure that's not right Bing is for porn apparently What? Yeah, so a certain a certain friend of ours in Seattle would say that like I guess the algorithm for that is way better Oh a certain friend of ours in Seattle. Yeah Well, I'm not getting involved in that Thanks for tuning into the WAN show you guys Thanks again to Jay and Demetri not only for being here for Scrapyard Wars But also for being here on the show so you can find Jay over at I mean I know the answer is two cents with a Z not to be confused with the wrapper. Yeah, and us at Hardware Conducts Yeah, I'm just I'm leaving it because it's funny I'll do it All we should have done a special intro with like you guys like on planes coming here that would have been real Like a chair so put it like biplane scarves and goggles Yeah, you can share Yeah, you want to see a travel vlog go to Demetri's channel Hardware Conducts I know I'm collecting stuff still. Oh, yeah, that'd be good though. It'd be good