 Hello, welcome to Circuit Breaker Live, the Virg's gadget show where we talk about gadgets, circuits, breaking those. How to break the circuits. Hi, I'm Nilay Patel. This is Ashley Carman. Hello. This is Paul Miller. Hello. We have a lot going on in the show today. As you know, there's an Apple event today in Chicago, which I think Ashley and I both claim is our hometown, even though we do not- I'm from Chicago. I just claim it. I went to school there. I visited Chicago. There you go. Apple had a big event in Chicago. Or as I like to call it, shut down. Paul was fired live on the air. Just weren't expecting that to happen today. Dieter Bohn was there, Dan Sieber was there, Lauren Good was there, our video director Becca was there. We're going to call Dieter. He's in Chicago with the new iPad. He's threatened to unbox it live on this show, so we'll see if that happens. So we're talking about the iPad for a while. Then we're going to play with some ridiculously expensive audio gear, which as you know is my favorite thing. Jay Castanaga is going to join us. We're going to talk about some new Moment lenses that came out today that we have for the iPhone. Maybe we can make a whole film. And then Chris Welch is going to tell us how to block spam calls from the iPhone. So lots going on. We should just begin. Let's see if we can get ahold of one Mr. Dieter Bohn live from Chicago. This is the moment of truth. Hey! Dieter! Hey! How's it going? Hey buddy, how are you? I'm awesome. This delay is great. I'm talking to you on an iPad Pro because my other attempts to get hotel Wi-Fi working in here were a fiasco. Hi! Perfect. So tell us about this event today. What happened? Oh, you don't want to see me actually do a real unboxing live on the air? I'll talk about the iPad. They teased it. Make them wait for it. Okay. So it was at Lane Tech Prep School, which is a very, very large, very, I don't know, Ivy League looking school in Chicago. And you know, standard Apple event, you roll in and you like wait in the waiting area and then you go into the auditorium. And the auditorium was crazy because we were packed in real tight. And Lauren, who was sitting next to me, was sitting next to two high school reporters who were there to like report for their school newspaper, which was amazing. And then there was a keynote, which was, I don't know, I mean, have you guys watched it yet? Or were you just sort of following along the live blog? We're just following along. We had this show. Yeah. It was pretty standard Apple Fair, except it was clear that their agenda at this keynote was not launching this new iPad. Like they have this new iPad. They wanted to talk about it. They want to tell us about it. It's like the biggest news that consumers will care about. But what they actually wanted to do is spend the entire time making the case that the iPad is better for education than Chromebooks without talking about Chromebooks unless they absolutely had to. And so they just kept on coming back over and over and over again. Like, here's a teacher and their kid made a video. Here's a teacher and a kid in their classroom made an audio report. Here's a teacher and that person made a video. Just nonstop, back to back, here are all the things that the iPad can do that a Chromebook definitely cannot do. And also, subtle reminder, you can actually set up multiple accounts on an iPad even though nobody knows how to do it and it can only happen in classrooms. But we promise it's easy. They didn't mention that you'd have to have like Jamf or some other MDM to do it. But they like they thought of all this stuff that you can do that has been around for a couple of years but nobody really knows about. And then we left and went to the hands-on area where they were showing like AR demos and Tim Cook walked around followed just mobbed by children who wanted to be next to Tim Cook and get selfies with him. That was amazing. Check out our Instagram story today. Lauren Good got him for like five seconds on our Instagram story. And then we rolled out. So like the whole thing was an hour long. The labs really like showed us how to set up the mobile device management enterprise software where it's like an hour. And you know, we played around with the devices and we left. Yeah. So let's see. Let's see this thing. You've got it. Okay. So I have turned it on. There's the box. It looks like an iPad but special for you. I did not take off the plastic yet. I just took it off. So you get the beautiful sound right there. It's really nice, right? And I want to compare it to the iPad Pro for you but I cannot because I'm using it to talk to you. But here it is and it looks like an iPad, don't it? Yeah, they didn't change the design of this thing at all from what I can tell, right? Not a single tiny bit. It's still like the single speaker on the bottom or you know speakers on the bottom. There's nothing on the top. It still has a headphone jack. There is no smart connector on the bottom, which is a real point of contention in my opinion. And but the main new stuff is it has a new processor and it also now supports the Apple Pencil. So yeah, yay. And then it also supports that new Logitech crayon, which is the new $50 version of the stylus that is really fascinating because I don't have one but it doesn't use Bluetooth. It uses some other mysterious wireless thing. So it's as accurate and it supports tilting but it doesn't support pressure. And you can use that with any of these new iPads, right? There's some question about whether the green will work with the iPad pros. I do not believe that it will but I don't know. The only iPads that logic have lists are this new sixth generation iPad. Yeah, and then I just got to tell you it's an iPad. Yeah. And the logic also put out a case for this thing, which you haven't seen it. Yes. Go look at it online. The logic case turns the iPad straight up into a surface like no doubt about it. It has a kickstand. The keyboard folds out. You can it adds a smart connector to it, right? It plugs in over lightning and then the case has a yeah, like its own proprietary and you can click off the keyboard. Oh, yeah. Do you get to play with that? I play with that a little bit. It is just I said you don't want to buy it because the thing is like I kid you not like this thick. It's just gigantic. It's super rugged. It has it like a lightning port instead of being in the middle is like down here and then the whole like the keyboard runs through the lightning connector and then the lightning pass through runs through the other thing. It's very it's a very confusing product, but great for schools, I guess, because like I challenge anybody just destroy an iPad when it's inside this thing. Yeah. Do you guys think the stylus announcement stylus for us more important than the actual iPad announcement? I wish I could say yes, except that this stylus is not available for consumers to purchase. It's only available to schools. And so I don't know what it's compatible with. Oh, the Apple pencil. I mean, I don't know. I guess like it's nice that this is now that all the iPads except for the iPad mini, which still mysteriously exists in Apple store, all support the pencil. But I mean, I don't know. It's just an iPad. And then, you know, I call it cheaper, but it's like cheaper relative to the other iPads. But it's still the same, essentially the same price is $329. Or you could use Paul's crazy hack to go get it for a little bit less and claim your own. The crazy hack is lying. It's not lying. I did not tell anybody to lie. I was assigned with how do you? Okay, I looked up how do you buy something with an education discount if you're like a homeschool parent or a qualifying student or faculty. And I found out that you just buy something on the Apple education store. And then sometimes they'll check and sometimes they won't. That's all I said. I just wrote it down. I'm homeschooling my child is what I've learned. Yeah. I mean, I feel like so here's my question for you, Dieter. Hardware. Yeah. So you've got an iPad Pro. Oh, this thing supports the pencil, which is the most obvious feature of the iPad Pro, even though there's other stuff. Yeah. Right. The iPad Pro actually has a 10.5 inch screen. It's got four speakers, got a fast processor. But the pencil is what most people think about. Would you use this? Yeah. So here's the funny thing about that. It feels silly to say I'd spend an extra $700 for this. But the thing that I use the most with my iPad Pro is not the pencil. It's the smart connector. It's the keyboard. Because I really, even though it's like a weird fidgety thing, Apple's smart keyboard case is really thin and really good and really accurate. And it doesn't have any of that fuddling with Bluetooth connections. And so I love it. And so to me, if they had put a smart connector on this thing, it'd be no contest. Don't even bother with the iPad Pro unless you understand how to make iPads do amazing things. But it doesn't. So it's a little bit harder call. I have to push this a little bit more to see how much better it performs than the last iPad for multitasking and stuff. The last iPad was fine for that. But it would occasionally slow down and stutter a little bit. Whereas the iPad Pro, I can basically do whatever I want whenever I want. And it's really fast. But yeah, there's nothing here that's wildly interesting. I think I can do AR better because of the processor. But I can't show it on the video. But the air gap on the screen is really prevalent and noticeable. It's the kind of thing that I notice now that I've been using an iPad Pro. But if you never use anything other than standard iPads, you won't notice the air gap. But it's definitely there. We had some questions in the chat. When I asked it. Oh, great. I'm going to go there. Well, that's the question. Can you see the air gap? I have a question. You can. Did Apple address at any time the fact that a lot of schoolwork involves writing and typing? Right. And Google Docs? There's a bigger lock on that keyboard. Right. But if you just think about the math of the iPad versus the Chromebook. Because you kept saying they kept coming after the Chromebook. A Chromebook for education costs 150 bucks. It has the form factor you want. This is like 300 bucks plus a pencil, plus a keyboard. Like you're suddenly just radically getting into like $500 territory instantly. Do they address any of that pricing? Because that was the stuff I saw on Twitter. This is great, but it adds up so fast. They address the pricing in a few different ways. One, not including a smart connector, I think came down to pricing. It would have cost more money to redo the thing to put a smart connector on it. Two, they just kept coming back to like, yeah, a Chromebook is cheaper, but you know what you can't do on a Chromebook? You can't make a clips video. You can't annotate a document directly. You can't have a classroom full of Chromebooks and then the teacher's up there with their iPad and the teacher can see in real time what every single student is doing on their iPad and then go creep on a student's screen on their iPad in real time and be like, Billy, I see what you're doing. Just put that on the Apple TV and then hit a button and have Billy's iPad automatically airplay to the Apple TV in the classroom. You can do some really bonkers stuff with the classroom software. I think the price thing, I don't think they fully addressed it enough. I don't think they addressed the management stuff enough, but a lot of what they wanted to accomplish today was reeducating people on what you can do with an iPad in the classroom. Their argument for the price thing is, you know what? Send a little bit more and then these kids can actually make stuff with an iPad that actually matches who they are in their generation and not just typing in documents. I have one question for you. It's really nerdy, but Devin is in the chat asking, the new iPad doesn't have ProMotion, and the iPad Pro has ProMotion, which is 120 hertz refresh rate. So he asks, will the new iPad's slow refresh rate ruin the experience of using a stylus, pencil, crayon? I haven't done a ton of writing with it, but I'm going to say this doesn't feel ruined to me. Here we go. Can you see that? Is there any lag there? Well, we're on Skype. There's no lag. I imagine if you were really, really a pixel peeper, as they say, you might notice it. Or if you're doing something really pro with a photo app and you really need it to stay up with you, it's possible. My hunch is that for the vast majority of people, it won't be a noticeable difference. But again, we'll have to test it for the next few days and see. Well, thank you so much for joining us. We're actually going to run Dan Seifert's hands-on from the event so you get a better look at the hardware. And we're going to come back and we're going to play with some very, very expensive audio equipment, which just makes me so happy. So check out this video. We'll be right back. Hey, this is Dan Seifert with The Verge. And we are here in a high school in Chicago. And what we're looking at is the new iPad from Apple. Now this is available to both consumers and students. It replaces the old 9.7 inch iPad. So this has a 9.7 inch screen. And there's a couple of new features with it. Internally, it's got the Apple A10X processor. And then it has support for the Apple Pencil, which I'll talk about in a minute. But otherwise, it is basically the same iPad that we've become familiar with over the past couple of years. Again, it's a 9.7 inch screen. It has Touch ID on the home button here. You've got speaker on the bottom. Of course, your lightning port, front facing camera, rear facing camera. Of course, this model is an LTE equipped one. So it's got the panel here. And of course, your Apple logo. Very straightforward. There's nothing really new in terms of the design here. It is very much an iPad. But it is a little bit faster than the one that was released last year, thanks to that new processor. And then of course, the big new thing, especially for consumers and educators alike, is the support for the Apple Pencil. This is the first time that the Apple Pencil has worked with an iPad outside of the Pro line. So you can use the Pencil, of course, to navigate things. But one of the things that they've been showing off here is new iWorks suite. And one of the new ones is Keynote here. You can create presentations and draw and animate them with the Pencil. So even if you are creating a presentation and you make a drawing on there, you can actually let's get to my drawing. This is, I apologize, it's really bad. But there's my plant growing up out of the soil there, which I drew with the Pencil just a couple of minutes ago. So of course, and then it of course works with all of the other Apple Pencil supported apps. So you can use it to take notes. You can use it to draw. You can use it with any other app that uses the Apple Pencil. The Pencil is not included in it, however. It does cost $99 extra, which hasn't changed. It's not a surprise. It looks like an iPad. It feels like an iPad. It acts like an iPad. It is very much, very much an iPad. It's nice to have the faster processor. It's going to be a little bit snappier than last year's model. Of course, the support for the Apple Pencil is great. I really would have liked to have seen the smart connector here. A lot of the demos that Apple showed off during its presentation were showing off things that you were creating for classes and things like that, and they require a lot of typing. Logitech is making a case for this, which is like a rugged keyboard case, which will sell separately. But it would have been great to have the smart connector because then you can use the smart keyboard, which is a lot slimmer and easier to use with the iPad. But otherwise, it's an iPad. That's really all there is to say about it. It's going to be available at the same price as the last year's model. It's $329 for consumers, $299 for educators, so you get a little bit of a discount. And it's going to be available this week. So I think it's fair to say it's an iPad. It's an iPad. It's very much an iPad. It's an iPad. There's like, like Dieter, when he was writing his hands on, just texted me and said, I've run out of things to say. It's an iPad. It's an iPad. Okay, we'll have more from the iPad. Both. There's tons on theverge.com. Obviously, Dan's videos on YouTube. Go check all that stuff out if you're interested in the iPad. Trust me, I've lost more to come. But I want to talk about something when we're done. So we on the show have speakers a lot. Mostly because of the speakers, but also because there's so much happening with smart speakers. We have the HomePod on the show, we've got Sonos on the show, we've got every variety of Alexa and Google Home device. What's really interesting to me is those are consumer brands. And they're like accessible, you buy them in Best Buy, they're marketed to like, regular people. But there's also all these crazy high end brands that know this is happening to them. Like they have to address it. They have to compete. They can't just keep making tube amps or whatever they do. And they're doing it too. So this company name, which is from the UK, they make really high end audio, they have a sparkling reputation for making things that sound good. They just up and sent us some of their gear. This is true. They just reached out and said, we're making streamers too. We want to send them to you. So we have two of them. Let's start with this Cube. So this is the name Muzo Cube. Oh, good. Cube is spelled the QB. Just take a guess. This is an all in one speaker. I have the, it's not fair. I can see. But don't look. Guess. That's the chat guessing. Guess how much this thing costs. Yeah, that's good. This is good. Have them guess. Let's see. This is also a good test of our stream latency. Yeah, our stream latency. What we're learning as a stream is very... In my experience, like high end audio gear, everything starts at around a thousand and it goes up to 20,000 or 80,000. But if they're trying to put streaming stuff in there. So that was a reasonable guess. Seven thousand. Okay, we got one guess at seven thousand. That's high. On that scale, this is reasonable. This is $1,350. Nice. And you can see, Paul, can I get Paul up here? You have the Spotify light lit up on top. It's a Spotify connect device. It has maybe the nicest volume knob ever on the top. The LED. Wait, that's not just touch. It's an actual physical. Physical, huge physical knob. It's got this huge heat sink on the back. It's got an ethernet port. In case you're that kind of person, it's got optical out. You can stick a flash drive in it. You can see the front here. So that uses this app, which is named App. I will tell you this app is not great. So they built their whole own app. Their whole own app. So here's Spotify. I'll tell you what's going on. We can just turn on the radio. You can see it switched to internet radio. Could change when we end. Oh, wow. Well, you wanted some good NPR. This one has been real finicky. Look at that. That's not great. It's still to continue to a classic FM. Let's see what this is. Oh, it's a little bit of a mess. It's a little bit of a mess. It's a little bit of a mess. It's a little bit of a mess. It's a little bit of a mess. It's a little bit of a mess. Let's see what this is. I don't know. It's just making nature sounds at us. So this is like a $1,300 all-in-one streaming device that competes with Sonos, that competes with all the other stuff. It does not have a microphone in it. So it won't do Alexa stuff or whatever. It sounds good. It sounds great. It's huge. It has a light on the front. Would you spend $1,300 on this? No. No lie. No. No. But I mean, people value high-end audio. Like Vlad, who listens to headphones all day long, would probably appreciate this. Yeah. So to me, this is just like one of those things where you... I mean, obviously, it has super high-end DACs. It can support something like 24-bit, 96-core heard music. And it works with all the streaming services? Yes. So it has title support. It has Spotify support. You can AirPlay to it. You can Chromecast to it. You can... It has Bluetooth aptX support. It has like 15 digital like other... That's nice, though. It sounds great. And it's got optical. Could you put like connect it to more speakers or is it really just... This one is for this. So this is $1,300 here. Okay. Now let's look at this other... It looks cool, too. Paul, we're gonna need Paul again for this. So this is the NIME Unity Atom. You get the app here. You can see the front. It's got a big LCD on the front. The LCD is hilariously not a touch screen. It sort of tells you what's going on. So I can get some music. Oh, of course. Remember the days. Of course. We lost it. All right. Well, I'll just try to... Wait. It's only... Oh, it's showing numbers. What does 63 mean? So we've got a USB key plugged into the back here. So now I can press the source button, which is incredible. Just like the good old days. I'm gonna hit play on Spotify. Let's see if it does something. I think this one might have lost its Wi-Fi connection while we had it under the table. This is what circuit breakers own that. See, that's what I want, but it's not a touch screen. But you can't use your... Oh, we have a giant remote. There's the remote. Hey! We'll see today. Does this work with both of them or just this one? Just this one. Bluetooth. Nothing like a Bluetooth pairing on a circuit breaker. Oh, look. They misspelled analog. They're British. They can't help it. You know, it's not seeing this USB, I think, is the problem. This USB key is startlingly hot. Anyway, while we're trying to make this work, what I'll say about this one, $3,000. It does not contain speakers. But it's an amplifier, right? It's an amplifier. So they sent us very expensive, multiple thousand dollar speakers. The speakers are not... They don't make them, so they didn't tell us. But they're also very expensive speakers. They were very nice on the phone. They said, we feel that these pair the best with this. Let me tell you, my ideal audio setup is in my house right now. I have an Echo Dot, and I have the Aux jack from the Echo Dot going to a nice, not amazing, but nice amplifier, which goes to a pair of monitors, kind of like this, but way cheaper. And that works. And that's like a total, probably like a four, maybe $300 setup. Yeah, I'm just wondering if we've gotten complacent with like audio quality at this point. Because I know when I got into records when I was younger, my dad like decked it out, bought nice speakers, amplifier, everything. And now I'm just like, oh, I'll just buy a Bluetooth speaker and play some music. Like, I don't worry about a whole setup, but maybe I'm missing out on an experience. I mean, there are... No, no, I don't want the cue. There's way, way, way better sound than like a capsule speaker. Like how big is your Bluetooth speaker? Oh, it's old and not big. And then even if you have like a big speaker, a lot of times you can tell, especially when you like listen to them side by side, like even if you... A lot of people will... Even if they have nice home theater equipment, they'll listen to music through it. And home theater equipment really isn't designed for music specifically. I don't know if this is a real music term or sound term, but I find it has like a slow response. So like snappier sound. Yeah. It's kind of like sluggish on that. So when you have a really nice dedicated music listening... Oh my God. All I get is talk radio. Now, Neelai is not into music. Clearly. This is the most expensive NPR listening to my small time. This is all I got. We'll see if this works. Let's see if Spotify works. Here we go. It's not going to work. This thing is fighting the Wi-Fi. Anyhow, my point... Does this auto tune to the room? That's a question. It does not auto tune to the room. You are meant to calibrate it yourself because people who buy expensive stuff want to calibrate their own things. Really what it is, is incredibly high end digital analog converter, incredibly high end amps, incredibly high end everything. And if you have your own digital sources, if you have a huge Flac collection... I do. Do you? I've got a couple albums on Flac. Yeah. And you want to reproduce that stuff in as high quality as possible, you buy this $3,000 thing. I read some audiophile reviews of it and people are in love with it. So they did a good job. I really like this. I think this is the only thing that I truly... What's funny is if you... Well, don't leave it on 75. Yeah, I'm a little scared here. When you turn the knob here, the lights are on and you want to go. That's cool. So there's all these little features. Now, I think I'm with Ashley. I think the history of consumer audio is that people take convenience and price, like inexpensiveness over audio quality every opportunity. For sure. So I wonder how many people are actually going to buy this. I wonder how many people actually have Flac collections. I think even streaming Spotify at extreme to this, like you're not sending a signal in that isn't good. I think you have to go to something like Tidal. Sorry, I hit you. But so let's say like HomePod, I don't want to be like all the Apple people and like I want the more expensive, better thing than a HomePod. Is this something that you might recommend to somebody or is it only audiophiles need a play? Yeah, the main thing that we got about the HomePod was of course you can use it with Spotify. You'll just use AirPlay. Screw Siri. All right. Well, if that is how you intend to live your life, then like this is actually a competitor. Right. It's like you can argue about the design, but it has a much different design. It's obviously a statement piece. It has Spotify Connect. So you're not doing that weird AirPlay round trip. And it sounds really good. And it has AirPlay. And just randomly you'll start playing NPR at you. Or jazz music. I did apply great NPR listening devices for you. I'm glad you came to Circle Breaker today. Well, my point is I think it's very interesting what's happening on the consumer side. I think it's really interesting to see how the traditional companies are attacking the same problem. Because at the end of the day, it's still just a bunch of streaming music over Wi-Fi. And like I don't. Can you think of who in your life would buy this thing? I actually do feel like I know one person. Yeah. But it's a unique case. I am the sort of person who loves this stuff. And I'm like, I'm doing streaming music. I might as well just keep it simple. And then I'll buy like vintage amps and things. All right. Paul. Yeah. You did it again. Yeah, I did another little show within a show thing. I realized that I had been. Well, first off, I'm scared that Neil is going to lose his job to robots. And so I want to keep the technical education. Or the robot is going to sit in a meeting and be like, why are we in this meeting? And then also, I realized that every time I like would go around the Virgil office, I was asking everybody for their knowledge. But I should be sharing some of my own knowledge. Yeah. So I did a thing about the command line. That's it. Do you use the command line? Sometimes. What do you use the command line for? Installing Android updates. This guy. Do you use the command line? No. Never? No. Do you ever use the command line? Like the Virg newsletter. No, not the Virg newsletter. It's part of your computer. The black screen. The black screen. Yes. I've seen it in hacker movies. Right. Do you use the command line? Are we talking about the... Not the newsletter. Gosh. No, no I don't. Do you use the command line? What is that? Do you use the command line? Yes, to root Android phones. Would you say you're scared of the command line? Yes. Hey, Jake. Hey, Paul. Hey, in a moment of candor... Oh, I see what you have here. You told me you were afraid of the command line. That's true. I've asked a lot of people at the office, if they're afraid, all of them said they're not afraid at all. Seriously? So I figured you were the one that needed this little lesson. Did everybody else like grow up to get a command line? Everybody's like, I love the command line. I'm having a panic attack already. Look, if you don't know what a command line is, don't even worry about it, right? But if you want to use the command line, and you find yourself on this like blank screen... Should I want to use the command line? If you're like doing programming stuff... I mean, it underpins so much of what all of our computers... As a nerd, I feel like I should have the ability to do some basic things in the command line. Right. I just always feel like I'm going to break something. You see, I think that's a common fear. You can break a lot. You can destroy everything. Everything. This is the most powerful part of the computer. Why do they give us access to this? Because some people want to actually use their computers instead of have their computer experience spoon-fed to them like babies. Wow. Squiggly means you're in your home directory. All right? So I'm going to PWD. This stands for Print Working Directory. This is a good thing right when you get into a prompt, like, where am I? Oh, so PWD tells you where you are. Print Working Directory. So if I want to go to root... Root's the thing you're supposed to be careful with, isn't it? Yeah, but you can look, right? So now this is the root of the whole computer. These are just like the URLs. Why would I navigate literally anything this way when I could just use a GUI? Because you're trying to get some work done. This looks more hackery, but I don't feel like you've done anything. It looks and feels more hackery, let me tell you. You told me that there were certain things you should never type. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to know what those are. Okay, so I've got this folder, right? I want to get rid of it. It says don't delete me, but I don't even care. RM is remove, right? Okay. And then I'll say... So that's like basically the verb, RM, is the command I'm going to run. And now what do I want to remove? I want to remove don't delete. Now I try that. It says cannot remove that. It's a directory. Oh, okay. So hyphen R deletes things recursively. So it says I want to delete that and everything that's in everything inside of it. Now it's gone, right? Now here's the great thing. If you do RM hyphen R, then F for force, then slash. Remember our root directory? Yes. If you run this, you delete everything on your computer. What does the command line do at that point? Do you have a command line anymore? It's supposed to warn you. Modern operating systems, enough people have been bamboozled. You want to find out? I kind of want to do it. Here we go. Wow. It is dangerous to operate recursively. No preserved root to override this failsafe. The other thing you should know... Always you got to add? You got to add, okay. The other thing is you need to have admin privileges. Now my current user that I'm working on is an admin, so I don't always need to do this. But if you heard of sudo... Yeah, that's in all the jokes. Yes. Sudo means I'm going to have the privileges of the root computer user, the most powerful computer user when I run this command. So something that a regular boring user might not be able to do, the root user can do everything. If I'm going to take away one thing from this, what should it be? Okay, watch out for sudo, watch out for sh, watch out for rm. Those are good to know. sh means you're going to run a script. Sudo means you're going to do something as a root user. Rm means you're going to remove something. Those are some red flags when you're copying and pasting from the Internet. As far as day-to-day use, I do a lot of ls and a lot of pwd. Oh, this one took me forever to learn. I want to get back a folder. cd.. Hey, Tony, this still seems more complicated than just using a folder. It's great, and you're missing out. Thanks, Tony. Thank you for this lesson and these warnings. I appreciate it, Paul. How did we get here, Paul? We just live streamed the damn command line. Learning is its own reward. I haven't wiped my computer a single time since that video. Yeah, just opened the camera. All right, well, Paul, we're just going to keep letting you do what you do. But look, it's dynamic doing it themselves. Oh, yeah, hey, remember us from the last time? I have to say our previous segment with the Unity atom might have been the most catastrophic circuit breaker fail. A lot of NPR. That was actually a really good demonstration of what it's like to get a die and audio. So I think everything is a little bit more broken. Yeah. But you know who is good at making computers? Google and Amazon and Apple. You know who is not high end British audio company. I've spent weekends wiring up like even just mid-range audio segments. You know, it's a blast. Yes. You just got to accept that you're in for for, you know, some frustration. And also, I will say, if you really want to get into it emotionally, just check out the forums. They are both supportive and very aggressive places. A lot of people. Anyway, Jake, we have you have new product audio equipment. Yeah. So I've been super interested in all the different lenses you can add onto your iPhone or other phones to improve photography or video stuff. And coincidentally enough, Moment, which is probably the company best known for these add on lenses, has some new announcements today. One thing particularly they have is really cool. They have their first anamorphic lens. And so you can see it is this right here. It looks square. And yeah, it gets you this big, super wide image on an iPhone. You get those beautiful lens streaks, the anamorphic lenses are known for. So you're not familiar with anamorphic lenses. This is what a lot of big blockbuster movies are shot with. And so you'll probably recognize this kind of look, even if you haven't heard the terminology. And this is just something that isn't really available at a consumer level because anamorphic lenses are really expensive. They're also kind of a pain to work with. So I'm going to go into the normal camera app to show you this. This is what it looks like normally. I'm sorry you can't see it with me live, but you look extremely squeezed right now. So I'll show you Paul. Like you see it's squeezed and so you need to go into another app that is able to de-squeeze the image. And now we have this extremely cinematic version of Neelai, these beautiful shadows. It really does look kind of good. Yeah, this nice streaking light. It looks really great. So they just announced this today. I don't necessarily know why you'd want to film something that cinematic with your phone, but I guess the idea is you've already invested $700 to $1000 in your phone. Why buy a DSLR? This lens is... I noticed lots of... Soderbergh's Unsane just came out, shot entirely on a phone. Yeah, this is a thing that's been happening. So we covered a few years ago the film Tangerine, which was shot entirely on an iPhone 5S. They actually use an older anamorphic lens adapter, not from Mono, from another company. And yeah, you said Unsane from Steven Soderbergh just came out. Admittedly, our film critic Tasha Robinson said it was not good to look at. But the takeaway is that serious big professional directors think these are valuable tools. I think they're easy to use in that you don't have to deal with a huge camera rig. And this is something that I think is particularly great for vloggers or people who are just starting out. And so we kind of also want to look at the other options that were out there. Maybe you don't necessarily want to spend a ton or how exactly you can get this out. So we have a whole line of Moment stuff here. Moment's lenses are about $80 to $90 each. And you also need one of Moment's cases to get started with them because they have this neat little lens mount that makes sure you position the lens properly on top of the camera lens. And they're cool. They just take your existing camera lens, put this other thing on top of it. You have these extra wide lenses. You have macro lenses, fisheyes. You're sort of limited on image quality by how good your original camera is. But you can definitely get these cool effects. So here is the fisheye. It looks fisheye-y. It sure does. And it's fun. What I wanted to know though was I don't necessarily want to spend $100 on like a giant lens. So we bought a bunch of cheapo stuff on Amazon. I got these three pack of lenses for $12. That was this. I might have lost one of those lenses. Yeah, three for $12? Yeah, so this is two lenses in one. If you screw this off, it's a macro. If you screw it on... There's no way that looks good. I got to tell you the macro 100% doesn't work. The fisheye does though. And you just clip this onto your phone, which is kind of cool. Yeah, so it's super casual. You can just whip it out. It's ridiculous. And it doesn't have to specifically be... Boom, fisheye lens. Whoa. Yeah. So the bad thing about the clip is like you can easily misposition this. Right. But also this was $12 and this is kind of fun. So if you're thinking about getting started with this stuff, you're not sure if you want to really invest hundreds of dollars, I would totally recommend buying just like a $12 thing. I also sort of dared our producer to buy this extremely goofy iPhone lens case that has six lenses on it. It's called the Switch 6. It's fantastic though. So... Fantastic in that it exists? Yeah, no, fantastic in that it exists. Most of the lenses are bad. Okay. They are unusable. But I love the look of it. So it's really neat because you have access to eight different lenses while using it. It's ridiculous. Right? So you've got the normal iPhone lens exposed and we have this beautiful little guide here that goes over. No, no, Jake. No, no, no, no. And using magnets, I'm going to show you this, using magnets clicks into place. One click, two click. Be careful with click three though. What do we got here? We got 2X, probably you on the podcast, we got 2X telephoto, 120-degree wide angle, a 20X macro, a 10X macro, a 2.X telephoto, and a fish eye. So here's what I know about the iPhone X though. This is a true... What I don't know is its passcode. Let's just guess. Not a very secure... Okay. So if you just open the camera app here and you switch it, so we'll put on one of these lenses, and you switch it, I'm putting my finger over the other lens, right? You can see I covered the 1X lens. Right. Like half the time, it worked that time. Oh, they're onto you. They did test it. This was a big issue for me when I was testing these because I did not realize that it behaved this way. Yeah, like half the time, it just digitally zooms. They're even faking you. Yeah. And like you can't actually tell. So you have to use another app, right? Yeah. So if you... Can you see that? I'm zooming. Yeah. Right. I've got my finger over the lens. But it like blinks to make it pretend like it's... Yeah. And then that time, it went to the real lens, and then sometimes it just doesn't. Yep. So like... Nine out of ten times, it does not actually switch to the telephoto lens. So if you're using something like this, you need to download a third-party app that is going to let you actually switch lenses. Yeah. Can I show you my favorite third-party app? Oh, yeah. So my favorite third-party app for the... It's the one I use all the time. It's called Hayride. And it has... Watch it. It should not live. It has two features that I love. One is it uses the Taptic Engine. So when you're... So you see that yellow dot? Yep. When you line it up, it clicks. Oh. So you feel it. And then when you do it like this, and you rotate it, it clicks again when it lines up, which is cool. And then it has this insane feature. All right, Paul, I'm going to take a picture of you. So I can see the depth map. I can turn it on. There's the depth map of the room. It's terrifying. Yeah, it's like... It's like a little nightmare. Yeah, so take a picture, Paul. Beep. And then I don't know what this is for or why this happens. I don't know what it's doing right now. I feel like you... Wait, I just... Push, Paul. Okay. So now I can push AR. Mm-hmm. And it's going to move around. Okay, I figured it out. Hopefully we have enough light to make this work. Hey, there we go. And then place this photo. And now, bizarrely, I can see Paul. Like, the depth map of Paul in AR. Go, go, Paul. Which is like, why do you want this? But it's like my favorite new camera trick. Let me hold this. Let me hold this. Okay, so we got side... Ooh. This is very confusing. I'm not entirely sure what it's for. I'm really, really into this. I always wanted a virtual statue of Paul. This is a great look for me. It's great. It's insane. Halide is five bucks. Mm-hmm. It's the app I use when I want to actually make sure it switches the lenses. Tons of manual control. I think it's like, if you invest in this stuff, it is very important to upgrade from the stock camera apps, right? Yeah. Because none of this stuff is... You're not... The stock camera app is just hopelessly confused. And you don't have a lot of options for setting exposure and stuff, whereas you can really lock things in if you're trying to make a film and need to control light and stuff. So I actually took a bunch of photos with these outside to show you how Moments lenses compare to the standard iPhone lens and compare to these cheapo lenses. I'm going to go over here and show you some of these because there's a really big difference between the cheap stuff and what the iPhone can do. So first, just to give you an example, this is what comes out of the iPhone's telephoto. And so when you add on a telephoto lens like Moment, what you get is much, much further. You can see a really big distinction here, where you go from this to like pretty, pretty tight on that building. So that's really nice. And there's actually a pretty bright image. It's not perfectly sharp, but it looks relatively good. And I got to say, it is far superior than what you would get out of this, whatever the Switch 6. I don't remember if I kept that in this slide show or not, but yeah, this is the Switch 6 or whatever it's called. This is completely out of focus. This is one of the lenses I just don't use. So next up, we have the fisheyes. So this is the fisheye from the Switch 6. I think it's totally fun and usable. So that case was $35. This is a really fun effect. You have this vignetting on the outside. Very 90s music video. Yeah, it's cool. And this is what you get from the clip on. Again, you have the vignette, but it's nice and bright. It's there. It works. But this is what you get from Moment's fisheye. You have the full image. It's not as strong of an effect. Yeah, not at all. But you do have that curving. So I think it's a much nicer photo. Yeah, it's a lot more usable in a lot of ways. So I think it's clear that Moment's lenses are superior. Again, whether you need to spend $100 on an iPhone lens is maybe another question. But they're definitely doing more. So here's another one. Paul, you told me you liked macro lenses. Yes, I love them. So I really love Moment's macro because it actually has a shade on it that helps you figure out exactly how far away to position the lens from the object you're trying to shoot. So right here, we have a close-up of a notch on a tree. And so I just put the lens right up against it, and you get this really cool thing. And I want you to notice there's this depth right here along this thing that's popping out because we're going to show you the next one. I want you to know how it would look if I just zoomed in on the iPhone. And this is what you get. It's super flat. There really is a big difference by going to a macro lens. And just in case you're curious, don't ever buy a cheap macro lens because it looks like this. This is all I could get in focus. So this is terrible. So yeah, that's the difference between the lenses. There really is a big distinction if you want to spend a lot. And one of the other things we're talking about is you can really kit out your phone and build a filmmaking or a vlogging rig if you wanted to using all of these accessories. So aside from the fact that you have these extra lenses, you can also get a mic like this. This is from Shure. You can buy it in Apple stores. This is recommended by our audio engineer, Andrew Marino. He said it's a stereo mic. It's really good for collecting just field recordings. It would be nice if you were recording somebody's guitar. You can also go into the app and dial in the recording patterns that you want. So you can use it for recording people's voices on interviews. This would be better if it was not attached to a bad case. This is not a new case. It works with this case. Unfortunately. Does it? It's a good question. This is a new case, right? Oh, yeah. I didn't talk about this. This is another New Moment product. This is also another New Moment product. This is their first battery case for the iPhone X, which is going to be helpful if you're going to be shooting all day. It is a little big, but it has a two-stage shutter button, which is cool. I really like the kind of speckled look on it. This whole look right here is out of control. Yeah. This is a lot. Oh, wait. We're not even started. So you're outside. You're in bright sunlight. You need to cut down some of that sunlight. How about an ND filter? Yes. Well, we're going to slap that on. All right. All right. We're not done yet. No. Please be done. Because we still have the Osmo Mobile 2, which I actually want you because it is broken. This thing is broken. We're running way out of time. It is broken. It is definitely broken. I broke it earlier. It's my fault, I assure you. This is wild. The fact that we're using this as the basis of a full camera rig is... You know, we were showing the Apple event today. When I go to those events, we still bring DSLRs. Everyone around us, iPhones, these kinds of microphones, moment lenses. It is amazing how many other professional journalists have completely moved over to this stuff. Absolutely wild. Yeah. What was it? Vlad went to that auto show, shot a bunch of beautiful cars with a pixel. All right. We're going to say goodbye to Jake. Bye, Jake. Thanks for having me. We're going to take your questions. Chris Walsh is going to join us, and we're going to talk about blocking some calls. We're in a live person swap right now. Yeah. So Mossy Edge says, don't get me wrong, this is cool, but at some point, people will still go up to get a decent camera. I truly believe this is true. I just bought a DSLR. I am shocked. A new Nikon, it's a D7500. I am shocked at how much better those photos are than my camera phone photos. But what I'll say is the thing is huge. Right. To get a good photo out of it takes a lot of work. You cannot just put that thing in auto and go for it. I also think it's like a different mode of being. I remember my little brother is a really good photographer, and it's just because he keeps on taking pictures. And people are like way more casual about taking pictures with phones. But when you have a digital SLR, you have to kind of be aggro. You have to be a person that's like, look, I like taking photos. I'm going to take a lot of photos. And it can't just be as casual as it is with the phone. But if you do, you can get really good photos. All right. And then someone says, Marcus says, somebody shot a movie on their iPhone. That is what we were just talking about. Stephen Soderberg just shot Unsane completely on iPhones. He was so hype about it. That was on the 7S, correct? I believe so. He was super hype about it. He had a lot of interviews, even us. We were saying this completely changed how we thought about filmmaking. I can get phones in place. I can never get away with a camera. Tasha watched the movie. The storytelling of the movie is one thing. But she kept pointing out this movie looks bad because you can't get the dynamic range. You have to light differently for phones. I think it's interesting to see where that goes. Okay. Chris Welch is here. Hello, Mr. Welch. How is it going, everybody? We do Ask Sugar Breaker. I believe we have a voicemail. Yes. I am here to tell you how to prevent spam calls and robocalls. This is one that I saved on my voicemail. We have just received a notification regarding your tax filings from the headquarters which will get expired in the next 24 working hours. And once it gets expired after that, you will be taken under custody by the local cops. Who falls for this? Cut this. Stop this. If people are falling for this on their phones, they might accidentally fall for it on our YouTube stream. But they do fall for it. And that's the whole point of this. They have such little overhead to make thousands and millions of calls. So the stats are there are between 2 and 3 billion robocalls and spam calls in the U.S. alone every single month. And that's gotten people so upset that they have complained to the FTC over 375,000 times every month. So this is a really bad crisis at this point. It seems only over these last couple of years to have just gotten out of control. There are some ways to kind of fight against it. None are perfect by any means, but they'll help you out quite a bit. You wrote a whole article that's on the website. Yeah. So we've got a how-to. This is already our most read how-to of all time. So everybody is very interested in how-to. It's called how to stop annoying robocalls. Yes. And they are rather annoying. So your first line of defense is if you buy a phone from Samsung or Google, they have built-in spam protections. So when somebody calls you, you'll see a message just like this. The whole screen turns a shade of red and it just kind of tells you, makes it very clear, don't pick up. And this is built into Samsung. This is built into the unlocked Samsung phones. If you buy one from a carrier, this feature is turned off. No. No. It's because the carriers want to upsell you on their blocking terms. Exactly. You've got to be kidding. That's horrifying. How is Samsung getting the list of numbers? They partner with a company called Hiya and they actually run one of the apps we're going to talk about in a bit. So that's where it comes from. And Google does the same thing with the Pixel as well. So you can use that on any network and the phone turns red, just tells you not to pick up, makes it pretty easy. And so the second line of defense is say you've got an iPhone, maybe you don't have too many spam calls coming in. You want to block them one by one. Just go into your settings. You just hit the little I button over here to the right of a phone number and hit block. But that's only good for one phone number at a time. And these numbers change every day. Can you run me through that again? Yeah. You just want to hit the little blue icon here. Go to any number and hit block this caller. And then those won't come through anymore. That's pretty ineffective when you're talking about numbers that change every day. Like I get five or six daily on the daily. And so it doesn't do you much good. So the carriers have their own ways of trying to help you out here. Let's see, where are we going to start out? AT&T has one called Call Protect. That's free. So these all work on the back end of the network. So when somebody calls you, it will just say this is spam or spam likely. Again, scam likely calls me five, ten times a day. Yeah. So that's AT&T Call Protect. That's free. Some of them charge you, like Sprint and Verizon charge you between $2 and $3 per month. So they upcharge you to prevent you from being annoyed. And so T-Mobile actually has the best one, I would say, because they have two products. One is called Spam ID and one is called Spam Block. Spam ID is turned on for everybody. So if you're on T-Mobile and you ever see spam likely pop up when somebody calls you, that's that feature working. Spam Block is something you can actually turn on by dialing star, a few numbers, and then that will actually stop some of the scamming numbers from ever getting you. Is this on by default? It's on by default. Yeah. Scam ID is on by default. Scam Block, you've got to turn on yourself because you might miss some calls that you would have wanted. How do you turn it on? For T-Mobile, you would just go to your phone. I have T-Mobile. Do you do this? I want to. Do it. I get so much Scam Likely. Let's get it going. Yeah, I just missed six minutes ago. Get under here, Paul. Okay, let's see. Let's see. So you just want to dial. Wait, Paul, put it here. This is a personal device. I've got to make sure. Okay. Okay, Scam Likely. Wait, what? Scam Block is what you want to turn on. Okay, I'm texting. Dial, dial. Oh, like a phone call. Yeah, phone dialer. Yeah. Who makes phone calls? Exactly. Okay, okay. We could do this. Yeah, so we've got pound 662 pound. 662 pound. Yeah. Call it. Yeah, hit dial and that should turn on the feature. Please wait. So now whenever T-Mobile senses that a scam caller is calling you, it'll stop those calls from coming through. Your request to enable scam blocking is being processed. Please wait a few minutes for scam blocking to begin. And then I could disable that again. Yeah. I'm remembering that sequence of things. Talk about a command line, buddy. No, I'll just go to the verge.com and read it again. Yeah. So the carriers have all their products they want to sell you on. And then there are third parties. So the FCC and FTC have realized they need some help in trying to like combat this issue. So they've brought in app developers and we have two examples here. One is this company called Nomoromo. They actually won a contest done by the FTC for trying to help out against robocallers. And so you install this app and you put in your phone number. And once it's installed, these apps are a wall between you and the scammer. So they've got these huge blacklists of numbers that they'll block from ever reaching you in the first place. But if calls do come through, you'll see a message like this, like we'll just set up a test robocall. And you can be just using your phone on YouTube or something else. And then when the number comes up, you'll see it's a scam. And so you won't answer. Does that work on the iPhone or do you use like Android level? So the iPhone more recently actually did make this possible. So this is another app called Robo Killer. And so for the iPhone, you actually go into your phone settings once you have it installed. And you actually have to turn on access to these apps because they are serving as your caller ID. So they're getting right in the way between you and scammers. But once you toggle that on, you just flip a switch. And that's the same kind of thing as the scam block. They'll just stop calls from getting through. So these apps, they cost between $3 and $4 a month. Yeah, these are monthly fees. I'm installing Robo Caller right now. Robo Killer. Robo Killer is how you call robots. There's a free trial. You can see how well it works. None of them work perfectly because more and more of these scammers, they spoof numbers from your local area code. So it looks like just like your number is calling you. They're trying to trick you, make it think you've got a family member calling or some other kind of really, really evil way of getting to you. So, yeah. So then there are the old ways if you want to try and stop spammers and anybody else, you should join the FTC's Do Not Call registry. That's somewhat effective. I mean, these companies who call you up with a robot voice, they don't really care about the Do Not Call list. So it's not for them. Obviously, we're in a moment of privacy right now. The thing about these apps is they will know all of your inbound numbers. So it's like, you know, your carrier already knows it. You might as well have them step in the way. Exactly. The third party app. Now a man named Robo Killer knows. So they ask for your contacts. You can say no. They say they only want your contacts. So those numbers on the wait list and those won't be blocked compared to everybody else. But yeah, join the Do Not Call registry. Was this supposed to be wiped out? Isn't this supposed to be illegal? Like, why are we in a place where there was all this fuss about this stuff, Robo Calls being illegal and Do Not Call and all this stuff, and it's getting worse to the point where I'm installing ridiculous apps and carriers are charging you monthly fees? Like, what happened? Like, why is it getting worse? They're just so hard to catch and it's so easy for these people to do. I mean, there's no overhead to call thousands and millions of people. And once one person falls for a scam and hands over money, then that was all worth it. So the FCC and FCC are trying to stop it, but most of these people are overseas, so they can't really do much to actually shut them down. The FCC wants to fine people $200 million, which seems appropriate. All right, let's end on that dark note. Is there any hope on the horizon? We'll see. Whatever. Protect yourself. That's what I'm saying to you. We're way over time. We've got to wrap it up for this week. Circle Break Live is Tuesdays at 4 o'clock. We'll be back next week. Thank you for Dieter for calling us from Chicago with the iPad. Thanks to Ashley, to Jake, Mr. Welch here, Paul. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you to all of you for watching, talking to us in the chat. We love it so much. We'll see you again next week. Circle Break Live Tuesdays at 4 o'clock Eastern. Bye.