 Can't get your hands on a fantastic PlayStation 5 like this one have no fear AMD's got you covered with the almost PlayStation 5 That's right. My friends in this brown nondescript box is the exact same silicon That's in your favorite game console but now bigger uglier and a PC allowing us to answer one cent for all the question of what would happen if we installed windows on a game console? Oh, geez, no, she'll she'll explode. You need that will explode. Yeah, I'm intrigued just like I'm intrigued by our sponsor Thanks to Monday comm for sponsoring this video Monday comms work Oh s is a powerful platform to run all your work and create any workflow They recently launched their work docs feature that allows you and your team to easily collaborate and record all your notes and ideas watch till the end to learn more Right out of the gate This is a super weird product because the processor inside this case is the AMD 4700 s a product that is readily available and listed on AMD comm and yet There is absolutely no obvious way to buy it now You can get your hands on them, but especially if you're in North America You're gonna have to go a little bit outside of your comfort zone. We did find a listing on new egg, but at a thousand dollars It's extremely overpriced. So checking out sites like AliExpress or Taobao is gonna be a better bet Of course that doesn't really answer the question of what exactly it is. We're getting here. Let's crack this thing open even more. I am extremely Curious about this puppy that one hole is rather enlarged It's aluminum, but I don't think it's high-grade The more pure the aluminum is the more malleable it'll be you want an alloy Okay, I mean overall the case doesn't seem like super hot garbage is a John's bow case, right? Or at least oh I assumed that because I saw that this is a John's bow. Oh, wait note the hunt keypad Where did I see John's bow? So I saw John's bow somewhere. It's got a John's bow fan in it So that's a looks like 92 millimeter exhaust fan at the back of the case And your intake is gonna be handled by drawing fresh air in from the side panel The other more different side panel and the top panel Of course the big thing I want to have a look at is this power supply because while I've actually heard of hunt key It's never in a positive context. I'm actually kind of surprised at how much this thing weighs Huh for how cheap I'm expecting it to be but that doesn't mean that I'm going to plug it in if you look carefully You'll notice that this is not a dual mode power supply There's no switch and does not support a 110 volt 60 Hertz input What that means is that if we plugged this thing in best case scenario would do nothing Worst case scenario it could burn the place down our best guess is they went with a 200 to 240 volt input to avoid paying for active power factor correction circuitry inside the power supply which doesn't inherently mean that it is a bad unworthy power supply but When a manufacturer is cheaping out on what has been considered a basic feature for the last 20 years it ain't a good look It's also really dangerous because while this label is pretty clear that you should only plug in 220 volt 50 Hertz power in the event that it accidentally gets peeled off which could happen There is nothing preventing you from just lighting your house on fire or the fact is just inside of the case from the factory Oh wait, what? Oh, that's right. You would have no way of knowing when it's already installed in here Yeah, I didn't even think of that part to be clear. We're not blaming AMD for this It's not their fault that the system integrator who designed this system decided to cheap out in that way It just is a thing you should probably know as I continue disassembling this thing I'm struck by how many different kinds of screws are in it not unlike an fu we wanted to make this thing hard to Reassemble sort of way but in a it really just seems like we use whatever kinds of screws We found on the floor of the shop kind of way It doesn't even have a native a pin connector like look at the gauge of this wiring compared to the adapter that they used because they probably just couldn't find an adapter that had Such thin gauge crappy wiring now. This is weird. I was not expecting a graphics card in the system Looks like this is an rx-552 gig cheapo aluminum cooler on it No obvious markings to indicate who the OEM is for it because the thing is the chip in the PlayStation 5 is more of an APU that's to say it has both a CPU and a GPU baked on to the same piece of silicon So I'm starting to have my doubts that what's under this cooler is even a PlayStation 5 processor Oh my god, are these standoffs just like glued into the case now? I normally wouldn't lean quite so heavily into a cheap computer for having a cheap power supply in a cheap case But the system wasn't that cheap. Whoa Look at the size of that backplate. That is nothing like a standard AMD backplate Huh? So here's where we're getting into the part that AMD actually makes so we've got an AMD logo So screened onto this board and it looks like the whole thing is meant to be sold as one integrated unit. There is no No socket, it's soldered right to the main board and this is also really interesting There's an Intel stock cooler style cooler on this. Have you noticed that there's like no RAM yet? Oh that makes sense because it would be just baked into the SOC. Oh my it only has a PCI Express by 8 Slot down here. So it's a 16x physical slot, but it's only actually wired up for eight lanes No M.2, which is weird because the PlayStation 5 has M.2 But then the PlayStation 5 doesn't have a PCI Express slot. This is super weird You want to know something else that's very unfortunate about that PCI Express slot? It's Gen 2 Was any doubt that this cooler is custom we can put that to rest Wait, what? There's four more screws for the just the backplate I don't know whether my expectations are higher or lower after seeing how jank this is. Oh This may be the single weirdest motherboard that I have ever held, you know, what's funny I was looking at the layout of these traces around the board. I was like, this is so weird It kind of looks like they all just go out in a circle and come back because they do this thing is trippy But is it actually a PlayStation 5 chip only one way to find out? Oh, well that trace layout looks really familiar So I could not be more similar. Yeah, that's uh, wow I mean you don't have to have a degree in electronics engineering to figure out that these are probably Architected somewhat similarly. Yeah. Wow, you know, I've never actually been close up with a PlayStation board yet So I guess these are the NAND packages There's your add-in m.2 slot. This is for the water-cooled PlayStation 5 project, right? Yeah, I guess you could probably say was for the water-cooled PlayStation 5 project at this point Oh interesting a bunch of the caps on the back are missing. Let's see what the markings on the die say you ready Brandon? Big reveal No die markings. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they just sanded the die markings right off of it Does the regular PlayStation 5 have die markings? There's no markings on the die enough marveling at its weirdness But let's throw this thing back together and see how she flies. Okay moment of truth. Hey, it's got an RGB fan in it Nice John's bow. You hear how loud that fan is? Oh, wow, we went straight to BIOS because I forgot to plug in the SATA cable. 4700s 8 core processor desktop kit So this is gonna be Zen 2 based not Zen 3 like the latest 5000 series risings. There's like nothing else in here that's configurable in any way that has anything to do with that So, oh my god, it's at 87 degrees done up put it back on right there isn't even any UEFI non UEFI like boot mode nothing. Yeah, and did you see the RAM stats that they had there? 16 gigs. Oh not bad. That's the same amount as the PlayStation 5, right? Well, but normally you have stuff like DDR 4 3200 megahertz what speed it runs that but no no because this is gonna be GDDR or whatever like GDDR 6 right? Yeah. Oh interesting What the heck is CPUZ gonna say about this thing? Don't spoil it Alex. Sorry Everything about this thing is just so weird even the way that they adapt this cooler with just a couple of punched out steel Mounting plates like it's very almost DIY when you're applying thermal compound to a bare die You have to be a lot more careful to cover the whole thing because you don't want any Hotspots when there's a spreader over top of it. It's not that big of a deal, but oh No thermal compound This isn't even the good tasting one Hey, Alex, how do you gallop into the bios? You missed it a bit of a drag that doesn't support an m.2 boot drive. Oh wait. Oh hi. How you doing? Is this the pre-installed Windows image? Oh, yes. Oh, okay. We're up. Here it is. Ladies and gentlemen This is a gaming machine for gamers. Okay CPU AMD 4700 s 8 core processor desktop kit I don't think there's any way to buy this thing standalone. That's why we ended up with this weird janky system It was just the cheapest one we could find memory 16 gigs and that's it Wow, that's weird. It has an onboard USB 3 to Ethernet bridge what? I'm just I I want to check that Sony's using a completely separate outboard Ethernet controller chip no idea how it's connected to the rest of the chipset So obviously they had to find a different solution for this board and they went with a USB to Ethernet bridge weird Oh, hey, whoa hardware info pulls it up. Oh, wait. Oh damn. Nope. Never mind That's the GDDR5 on the GPU. That is some uncanny valley stuff. We got going on right there Wow, that fan is going boys. It's going it's going Get immersed line it. No, it looks like poo poo and I want to see something that's better looking Okay, you know what this is good and at least we're not into seconds per frame territory here, but this is not a great experience Yeah, this is a PlayStation 4 game. It's not even a PS 5 game Do you want to just try it with a better GPU now? We at least turn down some settings or something? Oh, well, we're on ultimate quality Why would it be at ultimate quality by default, especially when it knows you don't have the minimum requirement? Let's see if that's any better Yeah, you might have like 7 FPS now. No, it's like 10. This looks like a giant load of garbage though Whoa Calm down Geez now one potential problem will this even fit? Do you have anything else? 2060 that's reasonable if it wasn't already apparent while this might be exactly the same silicon It clearly doesn't have the same functionality as the SOC or APU or whatever you want to call it That's built into the PlayStation 5 There's no GPU and we can already see that some of the IO choices that were made on this motherboard Are different from what Sony did on the PlayStation 5's board. My expectations are honestly not super high though PCIe Gen 2 by 8 by 4 by 4. I thought it's by 8 supports by 4 Gen 2 signal The reason we have such a lack of PCI Express connectivity on that thing is because with the PlayStation 5 Just like any modern CPU. You've got a bunch of PCI Express lanes that are built into the SOC here But on the PlayStation 5 they're used to connect with only a couple of things this IO hub Controller hub down here that also access the PlayStation 5 SSD as well as right here to this m.2 storage expansion slot Most of these lanes are actually going to be wired up to the GPU that's built into this So if that's just not connected, it's non-trivial to tap into those like you can't do that So we're stuck with whatever it had to communicate with a chipset Which this also needs and then whatever it had to communicate with an SSD the question then becomes Are we limited by this PCI Express bandwidth or could there be something else? Let's explore another idea by benchmarking our 4700s against a regular old Ryzen 5800 X starting with a memory read speed benchmark. We've got around 59,000 megabytes a second. Okay, and oh wow look at that 62,000 megabytes a second. That's a lot of memory bandwidth But what you got to understand is that GPU memory that's the G in GDDR6 is designed for raw Bandwidth, it's the latencies where you might run into trouble Wowie a hundred and 43 nanoseconds, I mean that's not a lot of time right these are nanoseconds we're talking about except that that is slower than a Pentium D 820 a CPU from 15 years ago. Oh my god, it's slower than basically everything I haven't looked at this rank. That's hilarious Yeah Like this is this is higher latency than CPUs that don't have an integrated memory controllers to put this in context our Ryzen 5000 series over here is more like 60 nanoseconds that is gonna make a huge difference in regular desktop applications Yeah, you can even do just the open Chrome test to see the difference. I Just run Cinebench see what happens while we wait for this to finish Let's talk about why AMD didn't just allow you to plug in regular old DDR4 to this thing because you can That's the thing about AMD's custom silicon division anything that Sony or Microsoft don't need on the chip. It's not on there That's why you got to do this weird memory on the back thing. Just like on the PlayStation 5 35 3600 points that half it's over half but not by much This is 6,000 points all of which raises a very big question here Why oh why does this product even exist and the answer is because it already did when you're manufacturing Microprocessors the odds of getting it right every single time is basically zero Sure some of your chips are going to have all of the CPU cores and GPU cores functioning and they're gonna be within the power and Thermal targets that you set and those are gonna end up in the PlayStation 5 But some of them are gonna have runaway power consumption or they're gonna have a GPU that doesn't work But the CPU still works Well now instead of taking those and essentially turning them into e-waste AMD has repurposed them into these budget motherboard CPU RAM combo things and Fundamentally, I love this move taking something that would have otherwise been wasted and turning it into something functional freaking awesome My main issue with this product is that from a value per dollar perspective? Not great at four hundred dollars in China. Remember that's just for the board CPU and RAM You can get much much better performance for the dollar and at a thousand dollars here in North America It's absolutely out of the question ridiculously overpriced. So good effort Just like it's a good effort Segwaying to our sponsor Monday comm they just launched their new work Doc's feature into beta where you and your team can connect collaborate and execute ideas and workflows all in one place They're real-time engine allows hundreds of people to work together on a work doc without them overriding each other's work And since the text is made of blocks you can embed live objects So work docs always stays relevant You can connect your work docs to your workflows allowing your team to run all of their work in a single unified workspace And you can sign up today for a free month trial at the link down below If you guys enjoyed this video, hey, you know what? Maybe check out the weird Chinese console that we got our hands on a couple of years ago. It also featured Like what seemed like kind of reject? PlayStation or Xbox SoC's with graphics memory on it But that one was intended to be like an actual pre-built thing you bought as like a weird console with Windows really really strange product