 And Welcome to the WAN show ladies and gentlemen This is a bit of a tale in between my legs show and I'll be talking about that in a little bit more detail later but We made a video that you guys didn't like very much and I feel like I need to address that YouTube also rolled out some new stuff new copyright claim system and new monetization efforts, which is cool And there's some other kind of general, you know, Intel's doing some rumory stuff and Nintendo Switch Lite was announced and other fun things Yeah, we actually got a lot of great topics for you guys today Jono did the WAN show document and well, he also did it last week Which is part of the reason that we didn't really didn't have anything to talk about last week Whoa, that's okay because I gave him some coaching this week And he checked in with me about the topics ahead of time and I think there's actually some some discussion meeting here there's a bit of a Non-controversy which to me in and of itself is kind of controversial so AMD said that PCI Express Gen 4 would not work on previous generation motherboards and then Asus went out and published a list of previous gen boards that it'll work on and it's it's a funny thing because I think that AMD fanboys aren't really gonna like my take on this but My my feeling is that if the same thing had happened with Intel People would be shrieking about it. And now that it's happening with AMD. It's like, oh, that's pretty cool. So Let's get let's get to that Later, but first let's go ahead and roll the intro and we'll chat about these topics in a little bit here. All right Okay, was it just one go ahead and pop that up there Kind of looks like it was just one and back to us Okay, so Why don't we jump right into? The video that we uploaded today. So this is something that I've actually addressed on the WAN show in the past I'm just gonna fire it up on my laptop here. Hopefully my my screen sharing is working here Here we go Value noise canceling headphones. So there were a couple of things that went wrong today. I'm watching it. You can do this Yeah, thank you. Appreciate that. So a couple of things that went wrong today. First of all, oh, yeah The video went up with entirely the wrong title. Okay Yes, we see that there's a little bit of lag on the YouTube stream. We are now sort of way beyond I'm not having an explanation for it because the entire WAN show PC has been The entire WAN show PC has been swapped out as a CPU GPU Yeah, and it's it's even we used to be on x264 encoding and now we're on NVENC Actually be any different than it is now we are back on the old Ethernet cable. Yeah, also the Like retransmitting server the splitter there was like some a little bit of funkery there But that's all been updated and fixed and work on and was tested for the last half hour on a separate account Yeah, so it's starting to get to the point where Robert by the way, no your super chat is not pre-recorded. So it's starting to get to the point where it's just like not really funny anymore Yeah We're just gonna have to power through the show here though guys Realistically twitch is probably better So you can head over to twitch and watch there. We still have no explanation for why that would be. Yeah Anyway, so I'm gonna go ahead and pull up the video that we did today So this video was called and this was mistake number one It was called why is everybody buying these headphones which was actually just one of those complete Bone-headed errors and I'm not gonna throw anyone under the bus But I think we can all guess who it is that usually makes those particularly egregious errors on the channel and never Actually does get fired because I love him so much Anyway someone grabbed the wrong title I have no idea where it came from I actually did see that that title was on the pre-release video file, but I didn't really think anything of it I thought maybe just one of the editors was confused about it and named the file that and Like the the file name is not generally anything to do with the actual name of the video once we go live But somehow it ended up with the name of a series that we run on the channel Why is everybody buying this X that has never been sponsored before? Whether it's sponsored by the retailer that we got it from or sponsored by the the products that we featured It has never been sponsored before by either of those two parties like third-party sponsors Sure, you know your savage jerky or whatever the case may be so that created Initially a ton of confusion and a ton of upset because all of a sudden we had a sponsored showcase video You can see that whatever corner it is right there sponsored by tau tronics that seems to be disguised as Editorial content something that we actually work really hard to not have happen, which is why? Thankfully at least at the beginning I Actually, I'm not sure I believe the word showcase was already in there, but it is supposed to be so if there's a video That is just like here's information about a product But it's sponsored by that company or by that product or by somewhere to get it it is supposed to be clearly Displayed in the title of the video so that you know and in the video as it is down in whatever corner I'm supposed to oh, it's not even there That way my corner sponsored by tau tron okay So that was problem number one that people had with the video as soon as nick was actually the one who spotted it as soon As nick saw that the title wasn't right he had it changed This is what it was supposed to be value noise cancelling headphones sound search 46 showcase Okay Oopsie number one so that one's pretty straightforward whoops are bad The other one is a little bit more difficult to address and I feel like I'm almost going to have to do a complete video talking about this at some point in the future because there seems to be a lot of Confusion in people's minds about the way that we handle our sponsored Content so we made the decision it must have been about a year ago now to start doing what we called Showcases which are essentially what most of the rest of the industry that is youtube personalities is doing where essentially there's some product or some service and There's a sponsorship involved and you know Sponsorship involved and you're basically given a bullet point list of things to say about it so Our way of reconciling that because obviously that's not Editorial content that's not you know my opinion The way that we reconciled that was okay. Here's the deal Audience we're going to do these but we're going to do them as extra releases So you'll notice this video went up on a friday So instead of the linus tech tips channel getting six normal videos plus wang show for a total of seven That's one every day. It was actually six normal videos plus this one plus wang show So there were a total of eight videos so we didn't want these sponsored showcases the sponsored content To interfere with our regular upload schedule We didn't want you guys to feel like you were getting cheated and you were missing out on an editorial Or a project based piece of content because we had decided to do one of these showcases So that was number one was we didn't want it to affect the volume of content that you guys get that is our usual type number two was We wanted to separate our opinion Which cannot be purchased from air time on our channel which can be purchased So when I talk about buying air time you are in much the same way that you would sponsor a podcast or a radio show You are paying for the host to read your talking points be it about savage shirky ridge wallet The el gato stream deck or you know any number of other other Brands and products that have that have sponsored our show. Yeah, I'll show ltx So the distinction then is you can pay for words to be said But you cannot pay for an opinion So that's where I feel like people are really allowing the waters to get muddied in their minds between reviews and Sponsored videos so a lot of the complaints about this video aside from the ones about the title being wrong And it really was that was absolutely our mistake and we're sorry. That's our bad a lot of the complaints Are that we didn't give an opinion? This is this is a you know I could here I'm just gonna I'm gonna scroll down and find something here because I'm sure it won't be that hard Okay, here's one that I pinned because I did respond to him So what other than the requested sponsored talking points can you give us anything of your own or are you just reading off their marketing material? The answer is I am reading off their marketing material and when it comes to any other sponsored piece of content So are they? That's how it works Anytime I were to give you guys an opinion in a sponsored piece of content. I'm not talking about like Picking it up like so here's a ridge wallet You know it's made of carbon fiber feels pretty solid. I'm demonstrating that it's solid Yes, I'm saying it feels pretty solid to me or whatever, but that is that that is a demonstrable Objective fact it's it's really well built. That's not really an opinion Even though it's being presented in the form of an opinion And so anytime We are giving and if we were to give opinions in our sponsored content then we create a really awkward and a really dangerous crossover between a Review and that is a word that we use very carefully a review cannot be sponsored by the subject of the review because There is an inherent obvious conflict of interest that prevents any information in that review from being taken At its face value so we keep a review separate from a sponsored showcase because yes, that is Exactly what a sponsored video is now Some sponsors in fact how tronics was one of them do allow us to give you guys useful information We did mention some of the more negative points Of those headphones in the video and in fact we've run into this a lot of the time especially brands that Wear their their big kid pants and are willing to take criticism will even allow it in a sponsored video But what you guys need to understand is that every brand? Tautronic cisco intel amd and video anyone that we've ever worked with over the years Has a say in a sponsored piece of content so anything that is in that finished video And this goes not just for us, but any channel that you watch at least the ones where at least they disclose it Any channel you watch that does a sponsored video? The brand that sponsored it had to say and if there was something they didn't like it was probably removed depending on the contract I would say with 98 Percent certainty that would have been removed I mean there are going to be creators out there that have more power That have more weight to throw around to say no this is my artistic Vision it stays and we've been able to throw that weight around a fair number of times, but sometimes It doesn't work or the contract isn't favorable or whatever the case may be So clear about it not working just because I feel like this could get misconstrued in some way if it doesn't work The video just doesn't come out It's not like he'll say something that he strongly doesn't believe in and release the video anyways just he's like well They strong-armed me the video just won't come out and the contract will not be made And that has happened yeah, like has 100 happened. Yes So Then so you know addressing a few more of the most upvoted comments here because I feel like this is a really important topic Not just on our channel, but in general. It's something that's really important for you guys to understand So why is everyone okay? No yeah, sorry that was about the title it's Super this is an ad with no actual content WTF. Yes, that's why it says sponsored by Taotronic That's why it says sponsored by Taotronic's and that's why it says showcase in the title because at the end of the day That's basically what it is and the WTF is this was an extra piece of content. We labeled it with showcase After the fact and I'm really sorry about that we labeled it with showcase if you don't want to see it Don't watch it that really is our stance on them something I want to throw in personally as a technically outside person on this is I hadn't watched this at all sat here and watched Part of it before the show there are parts of the video where you criticize it I know you mentioned this earlier people are saying there's literally no points that aren't in the sponsor spot There's like no way that's true because they're not going to put in the sponsor spot Hey, this button is I don't remember exactly how you word it But not great and takes a little bit getting used to that's not going to be in the sponsor spot. So like Yeah, I hear you guys but so this is this is another really great example right here of exactly the mentality that we need to We need to kill um I don't mind sponsored videos, but this was just a four-minute ad there was no review or anything if it's sponsored There is no review period That's not how these contracts work and you don't want them to work that way No, you don't you want reviews to be really really clearly separated? From anything that is sponsored in a way that could create a conflict of interest. Absolutely That's like very important So Yeah, I mean most of the complaints Probably the most blatant clickbait title i've seen nobody not a single soul linus everybody is buying and that's that's fair Because the original title is is crazy I I will throw another defend in that linus media group has published like what thousands of videos at this point There's going to be oopsies and titles every once in a while. It's still bad. This one is particularly bad particularly bad because it wasn't just It didn't sort of it didn't just violate our own standards for what constitutes clickbait. Yeah It it violates our our editorial Oh, it's bad. All i'm saying is people will make mistakes. So we're clear that it's bad. Oh, it's bad It's really bad. Um, but like I wouldn't and pointing it out You know what solid because it needs to be pointed out so that it gets changed etc, etc, etc Um, but like I don't know I'd measure your pitchforkedness Because it was changed quickly. Oh surprise luke is defending lmg. Well, no crap. I think it's also very reasonable Um, there was a mistake. They understood it was a mistake. They changed the title these showcase content has been happening forever Uh, there are legitimate criticisms within a showcase video, which in my opinion is marginally above and beyond Um, I mean there were a couple of things that we felt were really important to mention Um, yeah, like the fact that you know what they sound pretty darn good I'm not being sponsored right now say whatever the hell I want they sound pretty darn good But not at full volume someone mentioned that in the comments I hadn't seen that part of the video But yeah, someone mentioned that in twitch chat that you guys said that as well Like that's there there was extra stuff added on top So we we mentioned the main drawbacks to them like to be clear. They're fine We wouldn't have taken the deal if we thought they were a bad deal Also, there's a bunch of content especially earlier on where if you watch lion's his videos from quite a long time ago When we used to do more headphone coverage mostly unboxings. He's mirroring the same comments These are opinions he's had for a long time Not that opinions shouldn't be able to change over time But like a lot of the things that you said were not surprising to me because I remember holding a dinky camera And listening you say the same stuff now. I have had people upset Particularly about the fact that I didn't remon it for having a microbe usb port So I can explain why that would be the cost to implement usb type-c is significantly higher Um, not just in terms of the actual solder connections because there are more of them and they're finer Um, but in terms of the rnd because it is a more complex standard By complex standard. I mean it is like many different standards many of which don't Necessarily work properly with each other building a device that charges over usb type-c is not trivial And there's a reason that even large companies like logitech are still shipping gaming mice with usb Microbee connectors now with someone like logitech um I have less sympathy because Luke has personally visited their rnd facilities. I think they can figure out how to put a usb type-c connector on something They're kind of amazing actually with tau tronics Given the price point and given the fact that what is a device like this? Would not have as clear a benefit from type-c as some others would like a mouse in particular Now logitech mitigates this somewhat by putting reinforcements around their type-c connectors at the end of their mice So that doesn't put as much strain on it But with a device like a mouse where you're actually moving it around while it's charging sometimes There's a clear and obvious reason to use a more durable connector like a type-c This is a pair of headphones that you'll probably charge once every few days For a span of a couple years until you lose them or whatever. So microbe. Yeah, it's not as good But it doesn't need fast charging over type-c like it doesn't need, you know, 30 watt charging or anything crazy like that It would be more convenient to not have to carry an extra cable But they are a value option as opposed to a you know, 199 or 299 pair of active noise cancelling headphones so I was willing to be I was willing to not remon it and there's no way again. Remember, this is a sponsored piece of content There's no way I was going to be able to remon it hard because this is a sponsored piece of content So why wasn't it in there? Because given the context I was willing to not remon it And I wouldn't have been able to remon it anyway All right Well, I think that's pretty much all I have to say about that Yeah. Oh Speaking of all I have to say about that. I ate at Bubba Gumps for the first time ever yesterday Bubba Gumps? Yeah. Oh down in okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I actually I am while I was sitting there I didn't uh, well I was down in LA for a meeting that was to do with VidCon But I wasn't at VidCon because I left before VidCon started. That sounds like the best way to do VidCon. Yeah Yeah, like hands down. It was kind of amazing. I had like the best meeting ever I'm so bad with names and I'm really embarrassed And so this sucks but CGP Grey was there Tom Scott was there YouTube's head of search and discoverability was there Which was really important and there were definitely some key insights that this is not the kind of meeting that I can Go and like make a youtube video about and tell you guys all about but it was it was really good to just be able to Have that kind of open discussion around the dinner table There was uh, I think her first name is Rebecca. She's absolutely huge She's absolutely huge. She does kids content. Um, okay, I forget her last name Zimolo Zimolo something like that There was a guy who has a really cool channel. That's like tips for creators There was the guy who did the the arcade arcade Tricks or like arcade cheats or something like that arcade hacks Um Cheats or something. What's his what's his name? Shoot Rebecca Zimolo. Yeah. Yeah, that's her so she's it's not the kind of content that I think you folks would necessarily enjoy but um, She's super popular. Yeah Uh, dang it. I can't I can't find I can't find them right now Uh, nobody is Nobody is helping me in the chat Mark robert mark robert mark robert. He was okay arcade scam science. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he was there so it was like Honestly, I felt kind of belist Um, but I think I got an invite just because I cornered one of their execs at um At the top creator summit and was like asking a bunch of questions and he was just like We're thinking of having like a dinner Come to that and talk to these people directly. So it's really cool I'm finally getting to the point where we have like a real relationship with youtube actually one One of the people who was there um got to launch A popular product for the first time in pretty much forever and that leads really perfectly into one of our topics for today. Oh so the head of content id So the head of uh content id was actually at dinner. Oh, yeah, this is cool. Yeah. Okay Um, yeah, so the original article here is from the youtube creators blog And uh, he was really excited about this. So content id now Requires claimants to provide more information and provides better There go a bunch of disk plates Okay, I mean hey, that's the benefit of durable aluminum wall hangings You can trip and throw them all over the floor and they'll still be okay. It'll be all right. Are they bad? Okay, cool. No, no, it's fine. Don't don't yeah, it wasn't wasn't that bad. It's not that bad Um anyway, so better uh, so better tools to resolve manual content id claims So this actually would have solved that drama problem that we had a while back Yeah, where our content id system through our mcn was claiming anyone's video that had I think it was either unigine valley or unigine heaven Benchmark in it because we had lots of videos with that First apparently and then other people uploaded footage and it went yeah That's linus media groups content and then they had their videos content id claimed which to be clear is not the same thing as a copyright Strike and is actually no big deal. Once you get it resolved. There's no long-term lasting damage. You don't even lose your adsense um anyway, um Now it's way easier to resolve these things So in the past the copyright claim system had been abused and used to extort creators in some cases um, so manual claiming is a tool within content id that allows you to do things like go Uh, hey youtube's automated system didn't find this six notes of our song and um You know automatically flag it so we're gonna go and we're gonna manually say hey, that's from our song we actually had this happen a while back with um A monitor video we had like a meme and it was basically like And like it was really that short And the owner of that song came in they've created their own tools for combing through videos They came in they claimed our entire video based on this like Six to eight notes of music or whatever it was and the way that a copyright claim works Is that once someone else claims your video the video stays up you lovely folks still get to enjoy it But all of the money that gets made through adsense on that video goes to that copyright holder Even if they had nothing to do with 99.5 percent of the video content And it was just that all of the money goes to them, which is obviously not a perfect system, but I also understand why it would be that way because You know you can't just you can't just grab like, you know an iconic song like acdc highway to hell or something and Use, you know Five to ten seconds of it in every one of your videos and expect that That's okay because you didn't create that that's not yours. It doesn't work that way Yeah, and you also can't just tell acdc Well, hey these guys put three hours of black frames at the end of their video which makes you effectively 0.02 percent of the content so here's your 0.02 percent of the absence That's not fair either because clearly you the creator felt you were significantly enhancing your piece of content by Stealing someone else's work, or you wouldn't have included it. I mean in that case you definitely did Sorry, you definitely did what? If you put three hours of black frames? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're definitely abusing the system And you're significantly enhancing your content. Yeah, so so anyway To combat And so so this is This is a move in the creator's direction After a lot of previous moves that appeared to be designed to help copyright holders enforce their copyright to a degree that I as a youtuber felt was unfair we ended up having to edit that video and re-upload it without that meme in it because Giving someone else all the adsense from a video that we spend a lot of time and money creating For their couple seconds of of music. It doesn't make any sense to us so now Here's what's here's what's going on so content id can work automatically by scanning a blah blah blah okay, so So Um Hmm okay, Jono's notes on this are not amazing but basically starting today And I think that's two days ago three days ago They are requiring copyright owners to provide time stamps to indicate exactly where their content appears in the videos that they manually claim Which is nice. This was a big problem good start like in that video I watched through the entire video without actually Realizing what the problem was all I could see was that it had been claimed by some music conglomerate And I was like what are you talking about so I messaged our editor I went yo wtf what happened here? Are aren't we using all I think we were on uh warner chapel at the time like aren't we using all licensed music that we We have rights for and they go Yeah, and then someone finally clued in I think it was actually a comment on the video that alerted us to this that that meme was from a song like that little portion of it and um, so so it wasted a bunch of our time when The claimant could have just said hey, this is the problem now They don't want to do that because that's not actually the outcome they're after think about it from their perspective Would they rather have you quickly edit their crap out of your video or would they rather take your money? In the they get 100% of it kind of scheme they definitely just want the money scheme is definitely the right word here Yeah So they have to provide timestamps now for exactly which part of your video is manually being claimed and YouTube is providing their editing tools to remove the content claimed manually in your video which will now automatically Release the claims this isn't going to solve all problems. No, but it should be way more helpful than what they have now Yeah, so right now. You've got a few different options. You can mute all sound when the claimed song plays You can replace the song if you don't want to mute the audio entirely So you can instead swap out the music with one of their free-to-use songs from the YouTube audio library Although that might not necessarily be a perfect solution. We actually had some claim a YouTube audio library song once because the performance was Licensed by YouTube, but the actual original song was actually a song You can just cut out the video, and then it's just a video You can just do the same thing right now, but you can do this without any Copyrighted YouTube, but the actual original sheet music was still copyrighted in Germany of all places anyway or you can trim out the content, so you can just Cut it out, and then an edited version will show up on YouTube after the fact And they are still working on improvements like having an explicit trim option in the video copyright info page that'll allow you to trim it out with just one click and think the claim is incorrect or covered under fair use or just completely irrelevant like those Unigine Valley and Unigine Heaven claims you can just say hey this isn't valid here's the reason I think so and we've actually found that most of the time like Wanshow we've been flagged on Wanshow a lot of times back when we used to show game trailers yeah we've been flagged by the game trailer owners and I'm kind of sitting here going you effing serious mate so dumb you're gonna take our money for promoting your sorry we advertise yeah sorry for the free promotion dumbass so we've actually disputed those in the past saying I'm sure this was an accident no one in their right mind at Nintendo would be mad that we showed their trailer Nintendo definitely gets salty about that I actually do think that Nintendo was one that did not release it and I'm sure they were I'm looking at it going like you guys are just idiots because we are just never ever ever going to talk about one of your new games again they're getting a job slightly better at this over time getting slightly better but like wow yeah yeah it's like how stupid do you have to be to get mad at someone for promoting a trailer for your con this is an awesome looking game check it out flagged we might not have said it looked awesome we probably did it's a Nintendo game we probably did we're both they're basically awesome yeah um on the subject of Nintendo one more topic before we do our sponsors yeah light yeah or nay yeah yeah absolutely you know what you know what I'm gonna do it I'm gonna tempt the gods oh jeez oh no here it is oh no no wait no I don't know it's just hard bail forget it no we'll see if his shoe takes the whole video yeah we'll see we'll see if we give up all of our adsense over that what do you think do you disagree with me um I don't I wasn't listening I was busy oh I said yay you said yay yeah why it's considerably cheaper it's a hundred dollars cheaper and it's effectively a 3ds replacement okay which like they weren't gonna keep going with 3ds and we've known that for a long time okay so I'm gonna say it's complicated okay I see we're going here okay so go ahead yeah yeah these prices are all over the place for one so I'm not a hundred percent sure what's going on there the one that I saw that's price competitive with the switch light I would be concerned about use switches are a little bit sketchy that's true because they could be blacklisted they could be blacklisted you have an exposed screen yeah it's fairly likely for the screens to be scratched yeah especially if people were not very careful careful with docking them yeah and that's gonna be something that might be a little bit visually hard to tell in an eBay ad it has a not very easily user replaceable battery yeah so I would be a little bit concerned about that and I don't think the fact that you can eBay something that is used for a comparable price that a new thing is like null and void no but maybe an enthusiast can take it factor in a purchasing decision for me I'm not gonna purchase a switch light okay I think it's cool that it's on the market here's my other main problem yeah that's bestbuy.com so that's US pricing sure so to me effectively what Nintendo has done here is they've knocked $100 off the price and you're getting the same gaming hardware so you're gonna have the same gaming experience that you had at least on mobile anyway the battery life is a little longer is it as far as I know it's an updated chipset I think it's a new tiger chip I believe so the battery life is a little bit longer the controllers are fixed so they're stuck on the side and I believe the screens a little smaller I don't know about the screen I'm not sure but okay so here's my problem is they dropped $100 off the price yes that's nice but you are giving up a lot and TV docking and removable controllers some of it you have the ability to get back like for example there are games that you cannot play on the switch light like Mario Party for example Mario Party requires joy cons so if you can connect joy cons to a switch light of course you can for $70 oh yeah okay but you said you cannot play so now you've spent two hundred and seventy dollars it is another thirty dollars thirty bucks to get the one that just has all the functionality that's where I run into trouble this is a this is a console that is a switch no it's doesn't offer all the same experiences it's more like a gameboy it's not really a console yes it doesn't dock I know you can't play it on TV I know I know it's not really designed I hear you it's not really designed for Mario Party for 30 bucks look I've I've played more Mario Party on the switch portably than I have on my TV so that's kind of weird on the plane how do you play Mario Party on the plane you play Mario Party by yourself no with someone with someone okay okay yeah okay yeah I play that Mario Party on the plane that's a fairly small use case okay that's a niche use case I don't disagree with you but but there I mean there's other Nintendo acknowledged in their announcement that you can't play one play at all of them yeah yeah like there are games that won't play you got to check the back of the game you got to see if it supports handheld mode and if it doesn't you are I think the vast majority of games are gonna support it especially Mario Party Mario Party is a good one to call out because that's a fairly major I don't know how many people it's a lot of fun yes I don't know how many people are into one two switch yeah kind of a trash game no Mario Party is pretty major yes I will give you that if I have to run out and spend $70 on top of the fact so here's another problem that I have first party Nintendo games are freaking expensive so when we're talking about the price difference between a switch and a switch light we're talking one and a half games yeah but at the same time like if you're a kid that one and a half games might be too much yeah and then you should probably go buy a you should probably go try to very much snipe a good deal on a used switch somewhere else I do agree with that not everyone's gonna do that a lot of moms are not gonna buy you a use switch a lot of moms are not comfortable buying used stuff for their kid who you know even if they're like a like you know I get this story all the time like hey Linus my mom won't let me buy a used GPU on eBay because she says it's it's it's sketchy I know it's a good deal it's like it's it's one of those brands that still has that has a user transferable warranty it's literally still under warranty help me convince her and I'm like look dude there's nothing I can do to help convince you I couldn't convince my parents you're gonna be able to convince yours I bet yeah my mom was pretty cool with that we my brother and I raised money and she drove us to buy a SNES from some dude in a parking lot when I was like 11 or something but like but not everyone's down with that yeah I don't think it's a smoking deal I don't think it's amazing I think it has a place though right a lot of people aren't gonna buy you some people might want to just play Fire Emblem and smash and literally nothing else but if you're okay people will buy a device for that just mobile you don't want to dock it people will buy a console no well what is invalid what if not talking you're in value Brandon please come on okay this is interesting okay so so Brandon you're a bit of a smash enthusiast yes I like smash and fire and boom because of Brandon okay so we're talking switch versus switch light right now okay so do you know do you know about the switch light? Yes I know about the switch light. Obviously we all do. Okay so at a hundred dollar Delta okay is the switch light a deal? I didn't say it's a smoking deal it said it had a place. I think it had yeah I think I agree with Luke I think it has its place. Okay so if you were someone who's only gonna play Fire Emblem and smash yes is it not worth the extra hundred dollars to be able to dock? This isn't fair because Brandon has a sweet couch and a really nice TV. I literally bought a switch like last week when before the switch light came out. Now thinking back to that decision that I made last week I'd still make this. I was gonna say I think you'd still go for a switch. But again he has a nice TV yeah and a really awesome couch a lot of people don't have that. But you don't need to have a TV. You can use your monitor? You can absolutely. There's so many monitors. But a lot of people are just gonna want to like chill in bed playing with the thing. I see. Do they not have friends? A lot of kids don't have a... Why it's a valid question! It's fair but like I just... Who plays Smash by themselves? Sometimes that hundred dollar Delta will be too much to overcome. But then I stand by my argument that you should go buy a used switch then. Some people can't. Because you're gonna... Okay you might not need Joy-Cons eventually. But okay here's another thing too. Like if you want to talk resale value the switch is gonna hold its value. It's gonna hold some of that value when it's time to flip it and get a switch to. To be fair basically all Nintendo products hold value very well. And the accessories in particular. Except for like the weird accessories for original Wii. Okay so I was picking... No some of them not bad. Like the tennis racket things instead? Okay no no not that stuff. That's what I meant. But I'm talking like Wiimotes. Yeah yeah well yeah. Wiimotion plus Wiimotes still hold value. The Wii U. I was picking up a Wii U a little while ago because one of our Wiis like was having some kind of issue and I was like oh you know what forget it. Let's just get a Wii U anyway and then I can do that data transfer thing. And then I don't have to worry about the Wii dying and taking all my you know classic arcade whatever this virtual console games with it and all that kind of stuff. So we got it and I was like shocked at how much a Wii U still costs because because of the way that Nintendo manages their IP and they have these unique games these unique gaming experiences. The Wii U tablet controller still feels amazing. Yeah so they've got these unique experiences that are available. Their consoles hold their value. I would make the argument that a Switch Lite is going to go like that compared to a Switch which will still hold some value. Comparatively I still think it'll hold this value better than a lot of things. Yeah. But yeah I do agree with that in general. I think I do think like I think you're maybe underestimating the hundred dollar Delta. Yeah. For a lot of kids that's a really big deal. It's big. My problem is that potentially a year but it's gonna bite you later. It's gonna bite you when you need joy cons. It's gonna bite you. It's also going to eventually go on sale get combo'd with a game. Okay. Something like that. Okay now that's a different conversation. If it comes with Fire Emblem and it's like $229 now we're talking a two game difference in price but right now it is a one and a half game difference in price. Right now but it's I think that's still significant enough to make people accept these sacrifices. Yeah they are sacrifices in a lot of cases. The increased battery life is really nice and that might be enough for some people because charging the switch is actually a huge pain. It is. The switch being fully mobile is actually very annoying. It is? Yeah. How's it a pain? Charging the switch is. It's battery life is not very good. Yeah. It's battery life is terrible. Yeah but I mean okay so maybe I maybe I'm a unique case. So now you're throwing in surprisingly expensive battery bags. Well hold on a second. I find okay so let me think. You know what though? One thing I use my laptop charger. So I carry one USB type C. Yeah. I carry my razor blade stealth laptop charger which does my phone my switch and my laptop and they all last for long enough that I don't need to plug all three of them. So now this kid that was barely able to save up for it has a razor blade with a USB C charging. I'm just saying I haven't found charging the device to be a problem. Yeah. It's a little awkward. A lot of people who buy a Switch Lite are not gonna go along and also buy a lot of the stuff that you need to make like that could make the Switch TV version better. That's true. And so like a Switch Lite is a good solution because like they're not gonna spend like because I think I spent like another hundred dollars on little things like SD cards. A pro controller. Yeah. Like people who buy the Switch Lite aren't gonna buy that. So that's the thing when you buy a Switch for your TV you're buying a lot of other stuff on top of that. Yeah. A lot of the time over time and like a Switch Lite you just kind of buy it and you can just play right away. And you're trying to like somewhat bridge the gap. Alright thanks Brennan. By buying some of those things like additional controllers and stuff and I think you have to assume if you're going for a Switch Lite you're probably buying nothing in addition other than games. Alright. Well that's fair enough. So you're in your go the plan is to invest a lot less in the ecosystem. And if I was a parent maybe I'd get my kids a Switch Lite so that they don't have to ask me for a pro controller. And honestly that might sell a bunch of these if the people are educated enough in the ecosystem to go like okay yeah it can't connect to the TV. It can't do all these other things. Or if I don't want my kids on my TV. Or that. So okay. I think it has a place. I don't think it's a stunning value. I don't think people should run out and buy it right now because it's amazing. I think if you're interested I would probably wait until it gets bundled with a game. With a game. With a game. Okay. Without a game I think it's a tough sell for me. I don't think it's a great deal. I don't like. I think it's interesting. I don't like saving a dollar so that I can spend two later. Okay but a hundred US dollars when you were 13. Yeah it's a lot of money. But when I was. I know you probably would have bounced around. When I was 13. And I probably would have done the same thing. I bought low sold high. I was flipping stuff on Craigslist. Like I was hustling. Yeah. So I had a job. Like I don't feel bad. Yeah. For people that can't raise a hundred dollars because they're like too young to. Neither do I. Because again I had a job. But I can understand why they might want to buy something. Now to be clear. That thing I just said just now could sound very out of touch. To be clear I don't feel bad for like suburban lower to upper middle class kids. Yeah. That can't scrape together a hundred dollars. If you came from where we came from. Yes. Then you should be able to. Yeah. But if you're someone who is in a situation where like you can't. You don't even have time to go to school because you are like working to support your family at 12 or whatever. That's a completely different situation. I wasn't supporting my family with my job. I was buying Everquest subscriptions and video games. So I just want to make sure that that's really clear. Yes. Just for those of you who are tuning in late. We have no idea why the stream is lagging on YouTube. It's fine on Twitch. It is literally exactly the same stream. It actually still lags a little bit on Twitch. But it is considerably better. Oh okay. So yeah we'll have to figure that out later. We think it's haunted. Just wanted to run through the sponsors for you guys. Holy crap we are 45 minutes into the show and we haven't talked about sponsors. Anthony did you want to jump in with something? You were kind of standing there patiently. Yeah I was just going to say that the $1.99 price for the Switch Lite. Yeah. Is basically what the 3DS used to cost when it first came out. Right. So to me that means that it's the new 3DS. Okay yeah Luke said that. Yeah like to me it's I would buy it because it's more portable. It is smaller. Oh it is smaller. Yeah. Okay yeah. It's smaller. It's less likely. How much smaller? Like my Joy-Cons don't stick really well anymore. It's like a 6 point something to 5.5 inch so it's actually a smaller device. Okay so it's quite a bit smaller. Basically like a little bit larger than a Vita. Okay so it's still like sort of pocketable. Depending on the size of your pocket. Yeah you'd need a pretty epic pocket. My pockets are huge. No I don't think so. Ah maybe. It takes my entire hand. Yeah you probably. You got the big boy pocket. Up to like here. Alright Mr. Big Boy Pockets here. I got them thick pockets. Sponsors for today. Seasonic. Seasonic. Yes we're doing it Nick. Seasonic has lots of fantastic power supply products. Featuring features like wow these are really confusing things. Okay so they have up to 80 plus titanium efficiency. The highest. Or is this a specific skew we're talking about? Yes it is. But it's not in here. Dang it you guys. Where's the. Is it here? Okay I don't think so. I blame Jono and Colton. So there's some product from Seasonic. 80 plus titanium efficiency. So that's between 91 and 94 percent efficiency at all times. 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I was actually doing some research on nitrates. They're really bad. Yeah. I had like I hadn't really thought about it much before but so nitrates make it much faster to age meat and get that desirable delicious looking color. But they're a carcinogen which is cool. Well also we have a lot of meat. Well actually no sorry just to be clear that the nitrates are not the carcinogen. It's the reaction between the nitrates and something something that creates a carcinogen. So they've got 13 different flavors of jerky like their Sriracha bacon and their maple buffalo bacon which I love. That one's got a little bit more kick than the maple buffalo. I kind of went down the wrong pipe. I'm good though. They also make barbecue sauce, hot sauce and a spice rub and I love their hot sauce. Man their hot sauce is amazing. It's like really good. You guys should check it out. Use offer code LTT to save 10% on all their products at the link below. All right. Do we have any other important topics today? I kind of feel like we covered all the really important stuff. The major things. The Google employees listening in thing is pretty interesting. Now we got to talk about the PCIe Gen 4 compatibility drama. I want to throw in a thing for this really quick at some point. I don't have to do it now. Let's do it now. Let's do it now. Okay. So Google employees secretly listening in. We don't really have to go into this too deeply in my opinion. There's Google employees that are listening in to Google home data and listening to conversations including conversations that were definitely not intentionally triggered. I'm sure this is happening with all of them. I was talking to Wendell at Computex. We talked about a ton of stuff. Wendell is an amazing person. It's very fun hanging out with him. But one of the things we started talking about is there's someone has designed or a group of people I don't remember. Sorry. I didn't remember the story until I saw this this exact topic. But they designed this 3D printed housing that you can put on. I believe it was for an Alexa but you could probably put it on. You could probably modify it to go on a Google home as well that like covers it and then has a little I believe if I'm correctly it has a little speaker in it that constantly blurs noise at it. And it's called the brain. It's playfully called the brain slug because that plays onto something from a show that I don't remember and people get really mad at me but I think it's Rick and Morty. So basically it's constantly blasting like white noise. Is that Futurama? Futurama. Oh I think it's Futurama. Yeah. It's constantly blasting white noise and the brain slug is now listening for you but it's all local stuff. It doesn't call out to external servers. So if you say the keyword the brain slug wants to hear the brain slug will stop blasting noise and then you can talk to your automation device. Wow. And that's actually awesome. That is next level. I think that is so cool. And I've wanted to make one for a while even though I don't run these devices. I just want to make one because I think they're cool. And I probably screwed some things up and I'm sorry Wendell and whoever made that project but super cool. So this is pretty funny. Google's defense of this behavior was that only 0.2 percent of all audio clips are being used. That's a lot. That's a huge amount. That's one in every 500. That means I guarantee like not technically guaranteed but it is extremely likely that I have something in here of me going set a reminder for but you know my herpes appointment or whatever. But that's the thing. Hey Luke has a highly recognizable voice. So let's say that he did set an embarrassing reminder or something like that even if he was intending to talk to his assistant. Yeah. It's a personal assistant. Yeah. Not a. Hey I'd love for someone in a data center somewhere to really like listen to this and go wow is that Luke LaFreniere. The conversation with Wendell came up because I was talking about how I don't like these services because I would love to have something local and how a long time ago I had spun up this project to try to mesh together a whole bunch of microphones in my house and have them dictate to a file that I was going to be constantly reading to see for my own keywords and triggering events on my own and all this kind of stuff. But it's quite a long time ago and he actually said there's a bunch of projects that I would be able to use to accomplish it a lot easier now which is very cool. Again talking to Wendell is always fantastic. But that's how we got onto this thing because these are so they're so creepy. Nick you've been standing here very patiently. Do you want to talk to the other one show. Yeah. I mean for a minute I thought you're going to say Luke has herpes recognizable voice. Not that I know of. Have you talked about your super fashionable t-shirt that you're wearing. No I haven't yet. Oh well that's now the top selling t-shirt in the lightest tech store. Really. Above hard drive. I actually like hard drive better. Hard drive has only been on sale half as long. Oh OK. Yeah. So there you go. Processor t-shirt. It's for sale. It's really nice. I really like it. There's also this one. You can also get the elemental shirts which don't sell very well. This shirt exists. Yeah. Check it out. Alternatively we're going to have those two for 30 at LTX. Hard drive is pretty awesome. I really like this one. What else is there to say. We're out of stock of most of the sizes of stealth hoodie. Are we out of all of them. There's only one. There's one stealth. There's one stealth hoodie in stock. Well it says sold out online. So they'll be back next week and hopefully by next week we will also be launching our underwear. Oh yeah. Do you want some underwear. Yes. I bet you do. I've already told them I do. I think you'll take anything free. Oh yeah. Yes. So can I pitch you something crazy. OK. To promote the launch of the underwear. Yeah. We do the show naked. But wearing underwear. Are we like standing. No. They can't see them anyways. That's fine. Are we going to ban from Twitch. I don't know. Oh yeah nipples. Oh how does that work. You tape over them. We could paint them. We could paint them. We could paint them. We could paint them. That's a whole section of it. We could wear bras. Oh my God we could wear bras. We could wear bras. OK. But hold on a second. I need to know how this works is actually important because you're a Twitch partner. So if you show your nipples on someone else's channel. Oh does that affect your channel. Yeah. Yeah. OK. So if like Dr. Disrespect showed up on Linus tech and was like streaming in the bathroom or whatever. He'd get temporarily banned for cool. Oh it's on both of us. All right. Yeah. All right. Just just clearing the air here. Just clearing the air. So bras. All right. So bras might be the answer. I think actually you're not even going to be here. Oh you're not here next week. OK. Next week then we'll find a time. Yeah. All right. Asus publishes X470 and B450 Gen 4 compatibility chart. So let's see. This was posted by CB forum member on the Linus tech tips forum and basically it's a Actually you're not going to see an Soos publishes X470 and B450 Gen4 compatibility chart. So, let's see, this was posted by CB4Member on the Linus Tech Tips forum, and basically AMD's official position about PCI Express Gen4 compatibility has been that only X570 and their Ryzen third gen processors together give you the capability to run PCI Express Gen4, which is double the speed of PCI Express Gen3 at the same link width. However, Asus actually just published a chart of their motherboards, so we've got this here on hexus.net, showing that some of their last generation X470 and even their more value-oriented B450 boards have PCIe Gen4 support or capability. So ironically, none of their ROG boards have Gen4 16x support. So, you know, that's pretty funny. But some of their Prime and TUF series boards actually do. So you could plug a PCIe Gen4 graphics card into your system and get a Gen4 link if you have a Ryzen third gen processor installed in it. And actually quite a lot of the boards support PCIe Gen4 for the M.2 slot, which in my opinion is actually a little bit more important because PCIe Gen4 16x is so far beyond what a graphics card needs at this point in time outside of some very specialized workloads that faster storage is probably a more practical use for PCIe Gen4 at this point in time. Now, what I actually don't have any clarification on at this point because I haven't actually read the article is how this affects the link between the CPU and the chipset. I would imagine that's still a Gen3 link because the chipset itself is not Gen4 capable to my knowledge. But for the rest of it, the way that it works is your CPU is just, it's PCIe express pins are just connected to those slots or to that M.2 slot. So as long as the signaling quality is sufficient, it can negotiate a Gen4 link on these boards as long as the device on the other end is PCIe Gen4. It's just copper. Like that's what it is, it's copper. Now the way that they route the traces has to be better for PCIe Gen4 so that you avoid interference. And that's why Asus is saying, well, hey, look, these boards aren't gonna handle it because of whatever reason. Or if you had something like a PCI express switch or something, if that doesn't have Gen4 capability, you're not gonna be able to necessarily handle it. Actually, I don't know. How would a PLX chip be affected by that? I would think it would have to be natively Gen4. Don't quote me on that. Maybe I'll have to get back to you on that anyway. The point is it looks like there are some boards with PCIe Gen4 capability from the last generation, which kind of eliminates the one key benefit of X570, especially because a lot of them are passively cooled. Just like. Ugh. Okay, so I'm gonna bring you back a little bit. Yeah, please do. Because you just talked about how it's very interesting, but something you mentioned at the beginning of the show was the controversy problem, where a lot of people are going, oh, cool, but you think if it was the other team, they would be getting really mad. Yeah, so Intel had something similar where they had a line of chips that, and I'm gonna screw up the code names, coffee like. So they had a line of chips that could have worked on their Z170 and Z270 boards, and Intel decided to say no, they're not compatible. And because while some boards would have worked, and that was proven, enthusiast members of the community got coffee like chips working by spoofing IDs or masking pins or doing whatever funny things that the community does. I love you guys so much, you're amazing. So they actually made coffee like chips work on previous generation boards. And so I guess this is just, so I said that at the beginning of the show, but I'm actually not sure that I agree with it anymore. Because- It doesn't fully feel the same. Yeah, there's a bit of a difference in the way that they handled it. So AMD still has time to pull an Intel on this and lock it down, like manually lock it down, which is what Intel did. But the stance that AMD is taking here is not actually that different, where they're saying, look, because we don't wanna create confusion in the marketplace, we're just gonna say, X570, yes, everything else, no. That's it. And that's exactly what Intel did. Because there were previous generation boards that wouldn't work with it, either because the VRM design wasn't good enough or any other number of reasons, they said, well then, nothing. Because our compatibility matrix cannot be that complicated. Because you gotta remember- This is a little funky. You would kind of expect top-of-the-line ROG boards to support it. And the fact that they don't is weird and kind of confusing. Yeah, the fact that the lower end ones don't. The fact that the tough and prime boards do is like, okay. So by keeping the message simple, hey, the new gen works, the old one doesn't, you avoid ticking off the customer who just spent $400 on a crosshair whatever and now has less functionality today- Than the B450 guy. Than the B450 guy that saved a buck last time. Which, I mean, that's great and it's cool that they have support, but I totally understand why this would be confusing. It's like the inverse of what you'd expect. And keeping the messaging clean can be the best bet a lot of the time because, I mean, a perfect example of this is giveaways. You guys might have noticed we don't do a lot of giveaways on our channel. The reason for that is that for every one person that you make happy, you piss off 10,000. Oh yeah. And so for someone like an Intel or an AMD, for every one enthusiast that they make happy by enabling this feature, and Optane was another one, where it could have been backported to older generation boards, but they didn't because they didn't wanna make it confusing. For every enthusiast that you please out of the last generation, you are going to create a bunch of confusion with normies who don't understand why their stuff doesn't work. So I get it, but I also think AMD so far has been better about this in that they are at least allowing it to work rather than manually locking it off. Yeah, so something interesting, how you talked about enabling things can sometimes be bad, doing giveaways can sometimes be bad. Interesting random little tidbit. We added casting to the app, but it was in a known somewhat buggy state, but it would probably work for a lot of people. And we were like, oh, we can release this version. It says that it's an alpha. Every single time we release a new version of the app, there's a big pop-up talking about everything, and we say specifically in there, casting might be buggy. Average ratings for the app went down when we added casting as a feature because people were like, hey, casting doesn't work. Bam, get wrecked. Instead of people going like, oh, five star, it'll be cool when more features come. Now they're going like, feature got here, didn't fully work even though you said it might not, get wrecked. And it's interesting, I'm not complaining. It's just an interesting observation that sometimes giving people something is not actually great because if it doesn't work properly or if someone else doesn't get it or whatever, it's gonna create animosity, and that makes sense. It was a really interesting observation. So you can see the app, I'm gonna throw this in here really quick. iOS app is like very much on the way. It just takes so much longer to do anything in relation to Apple than it does with Google. Holy crap. Our app has to be manually reviewed by like a person, and I have to give them a write up explaining the app and how it works and all this kind of stuff that they have to read before it can be test flighted for not even actual release. And then we have to do that, and then we're gonna have to actually release it, at which point I believe it has to be manually reviewed again, but I'm not certain on that. And it's gonna take a few business days to get manually reviewed. So it's coming. I don't know exactly when, because it's kind of in their court, but it's on the way. Yeah. All right. Wanna go play some video games? Yeah, let's do it. All right. Food's here. Food's here? Yeah. Heck yeah. All right, so we're heading to the lounge. Good night, ladies and gentlemen. See you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye. Hey, wait, you're going to do something next week. Should people be like looking out for you there? I'll be at IEM. Chicago. Yeah. Yeah, so Luke's gonna be there. Intel sponsoring you? Yeah. If I recall correctly, so. I think I'm building a computer or something. You're doing some streams, I think, in panels. Cool. So guys, check him out. He's gonna be at IEM in Chicago. Don't miss it if you're going to IEM in Chicago. Yeah. Otherwise, I'm not gonna say like get on a flight to see this guy, because if you're gonna do that, come to LTS. Yeah. Come to LTS. I was literally just gonna say. All right. Bye.