 Uh, okay. So have we actually been streaming anything? Because we've been, we've been here the entire time. My stream's not on, what the fuck. And I really don't know what's going on because Twitch is telling us we're streaming. Okay, apparently. We're back online. How long were we gone for? Okay, so we're looking at the Twitch chat right now, like, um, how long were we, how long were we gone for? Half an hour? What? 26 minutes? No way. No way. We just started? Yeah, I just saw Harrison, he's watching, he said you just started. We've been talking for like 25 minutes thinking we were live. Here is exactly what Xsplit looked like. We were, we were streaming, very much streaming, and apparently that was not, that was not a thing that was working for us. So, okay. Yeah, apparently we were never live, but I thought I, I thought I read someone saying something about something. That explains why when we were started already someone said we were one minute late because I didn't think we were. Yeah. That's hilarious. We were on time this week. I know. We were actually on time this week. So looking at, um, here, sort by, sort by date. Where's our 2, 1. So we only have a 5 meg file for our initial attempt to stream I think. So we were live for, oh no, this is, this is now that we're back already. So, okay. Sorry guys. Um. You're on a weird scene. Yeah. We're here. What have we talked about so far? We talked about SSD update that we filmed at work today. Okay. Well why don't we start with that because like, oh, okay. It's okay. So here, guys, we're sorry we're late. We had no idea we were late. We turned on streaming and then we were like, we were going so we weren't doing any Twitter questions or anything like that. We had absolutely no idea that we were not live at any point in time during the last, during the last 25 minutes. So really, really sorry about that. Uh, let's go ahead and put Twitter back up there. Linus the stream is not streaming. Finally live. Uh, okay. So that explains why when I checked, um, when you went to go get your boots, I went up to check Twitter and there was two tweets. And I was like, why aren't you guys tweeting Linus? Everybody tweet Linus. And then no tweets came in. Right. Yeah. You know what's funny? Because I thought we had no technical difficulties tonight. We had audio working. We had video working. I'm actually getting kind of sick of X split. X split says it's streaming and just isn't. That's what pisses me off. I mean, okay. Yeah. We have 1700 viewers now. If I'd looked and seen that we had zero viewers still 25 minutes into a live stream, sometimes it takes a really long time to update. Right. I mean, I wasn't watching and it sucks to be like, Oh, is everything okay? Oh yeah, it's okay. And then keep talking. Like it should just work. The crazy thing is when I was doing that one little random streaming test, I had to start X split and then stop it and then start X split and then it would work. It would never work. We've never had this problem before. No, I know. But upstairs, see that's okay. So those of you who are wondering why we always have problems, it's always a different problem. That's the issue. Every time we have a problem and we fix it, then we're like, yeah, we know for next time. And then we're all like fist bump. Don't worry, we got this next time. And then it's like something different. Like one of the days, um, one of the, one of the XLR, uh, what's one of the XLR inputs on the XA10 camera is dead. So one of the days that happened while we were trying to film a live stream. So we're like, everyone's like, no audio, no audio. The port died. How are we supposed to know? We always use that port. The port died. What do you want me to do? For reference, it's the port that's closest to the back of the camera. So by default, you just shove it in that portal all the time because it just makes most sense. And it wasn't a software thing. We even had diesel look at it after the fact. I mean, that's part of the problem too, is it's usually me and slick during this, not diesel. So, okay, we had a long day of shooting NCIX tech tips today. So we got a bunch of cool episodes done. One of them was we did a new SSD update. So this time we're talking about the Samsung 840 and the Samsung 840 Pro. So if you guys don't know already, basically these SSDs are balling or less balling, but like a good value. So the 840 Pro is pretty much as fast as it gets. It's got a five-year warranty. It sat atop our performance charts, if I recall correctly. And I mean, it's just, it's Samsung. Everything about it is Samsung. So there's an inherent sort of trust level there, I think, that comes along with that. And it just straight up looks good. Oh yeah. Samsung's really good at making good looking stuff, and their SSDs are just beautiful. Yeah, it's just like got a nice sort of metal finish on it, and then it's got one orange spot and... And black and orange is like pretty... That's sort of pretty boss. Yeah, it just looks good. Yeah. And then the 840, what's special about that is not so much the performance crown. It still performs really well, but it's the first consumer SSD to use TLC flash. Now, TLC flash was traditionally USB drive territory, because it wasn't reliable enough to use in a performance application. So while it does suffer a bit in terms of write speeds... Are you just checking the Twitch chat? Oh yeah. Oh crap. We don't have an echo, do we? It doesn't look like it. Okay. Are you sure? Doesn't look like it. Okay. Because I see a thing here. Audio pop. Oh, nothing we can do about audio pops right now, I don't think. Hello everyone. So it's the first one to use TLC flash, which means that higher densities, lower prices in the longer run, as well as Samsung's claim that what they've done with this drive is they validated TLC flash to the point where it's usable in a performance application. So read speeds are still outstanding, but write speeds are a little bit slower. However, the thing to be aware of is that if you're a gamer or a general desktop user, the odds that even 20% of the operations that you do on an SSD are writes, it's like that. And most of your writes are going to be big ones, like games or programs? Yeah. Where it's like, okay. So okay, a long discussion we had before we realized absolutely nobody was watching it was Slick's challenge to me that I should tell him my favorite piece of software. We were talking about random stuff and we were talking about SSDs. So whenever I'm talking about SSDs, I'm thinking about new computer builds. So what one I would want to put in different price computers and whatnot, whatnot. So then I started thinking about NineEight. And NineEight is my favorite program, so I asked him what his favorite program was. Well, hold on. What you said before was piece of software. Yeah. I maintain NineEight's not really a piece of software. It's a script. Would you call a script software? Yes. Oh, come on. That's like me saying that I had a really cool washing machine because it has a programmable cycle. And so that's my favorite piece of software is the software on the washing machine. Okay, that's completely different. How is it completely different? All NineEight does. It's not just a script also. How is it not just a script? They program in specific stuff for each one. That's why they don't just have a bajillion programs. You can have a script that programs in specific stuff. Of course it has script. But there's also core software to it. A UI is not a script. Okay, but an installer is not necessarily a UI. There's still a UI to it. I think the washing machine example holds because that software, someone coded it. It's not just Pure Scripts. It has a UI. Okay, so it's your favorite program, your washing machine. My clothes wouldn't be clean without it. Is your favorite program your washing machine? No, but that's my point. Is your favorite program can't be NineEight any more than my favorite program can be my washing machine. That's ridiculous. It's not ridiculous. Come up with a real program. It's a program. Why don't you think about one that's like a legitimate program. Why are you programist? Programist? Yeah. That's not a thing. Okay, well the one that I came up with that I think actually is a legitimate. Okay, because you asked piece of software. I would not consider the macro functionality on a mouse to be a piece of software. Okay, whatever piece of software. The connotation of it. I'm holding NineEight. I'll show my other one that I showed when we weren't streaming to anyone. And that's just a function. That's like a feature of another piece of software. You know what? Fine. My favorite piece of software is Windows Home Server because unlike pretty much anything else it actually legitimately made my life better. It allowed me to take sort of random hard drives, like really random. I think I even had 120 gig drives in it before I knew you. Really? Yeah, like really old stuff. That's pretty legit. Yeah, like I had, yes I did. I had two Macster Diamond Max 9s. That's the only drive I've ever killed was a MacStore. That was the one that slipped out of my hand. Okay, well these were old drives. These were SATA 1 back when instead of it being a native SATA controller, SATA drives were just IDE drives with a SATA bridge chip. So the actual performance bottleneck that didn't exist even then. I mean, ATA 133 is still almost fast enough for any modern drive. Something like a WD Green 3 terabyte I think peaks at 125 megabytes per second reads and writes. ATA 133 is... And the ridiculous thing is that we replaced it with SATA and now SATA is almost done. But it's because of SSDs. I mean, ATA would have been held back big time by the SSDs. Oh yeah, of course, but it's just funny how fast that went by. Yeah, SATA was hilarious. It's like SATA 150! ATA 100 and 133, yay! Same thing. So anyway, I had those in there. So what Windows Home Server was was it was a way you could mix and match drives and have safe redundant storage. So I tested it time and time again because I kept using random old crappy drives and refurb drives in it and they kept failing. But I kept not losing any data because of the way that the drive pool worked. It was an easy way to manage all of your computers remotely so you could just have one port open, UPnP sets it up for you. You don't even have to think about it versus the amount of dinking around in your router and in your OSs or installing different applications on the computers for remote access. Don't have to worry about any of that. It's just all native remote desktop connection and it just splits everything out from the one computer and the web portal for accessing your files from anywhere. So much better than most NASs, any NAS pretty much. That in my opinion was the coolest part. Just the fact that it worked just like browsing a folder in Windows and then you transfer files. The only thing I didn't like is if you had a really really big transfer it just said like transferring files and gave you no bar. So you had no idea how far along it was. Part of the problem was that at the time Slick was using the Windows home server to upload completed Tech Tips episodes. Off of my horrible arcade internet thing. 512 kilobit up? 50. 50 kilobit? 50. That was the really really old one we had. We've had two step ups since then. Are you sure? That's when we were on Telus. We've had two step ups since then. That's awful. Then we moved to Shaw and we got to whatever. So not having a progress bar would have been a problem. Yeah because it would take like the entire night to upload one video. Like literally it would take the entire night to upload one video or an entire day. I mean on the topic of NASs especially back then even a gigabit NAS was going to do 20-30 megabytes per second file copies whereas a Windows home server, it's a freaking computer. It's fast. So yeah it takes care of that stuff. Alright you can show them what you think passes for using software. This is cool. Anyone who does any web development stuff will probably appreciate this. If you just go into web developer on Firefox, go down to their inspect tool. This will be a little bit more. I'll go to the... Yeah go to the forum. Yeah. Do do do do do. Give me one second. Something that has actually more things on the page. It's going slow. Why are you going slow right now? Haha someone's saying you Firefox in the Twitch chat. You just got burned. Whatever. You got burned like fire. Whatever. But you're pretty foxy. Alright so if you go into inspect view, most people if you work with web stuff will know what inspect view is. You can see all the different elements. Then if you click on 3D view, you can see all the different elements. Instead of just highlighting them you can actually see how they stack on each other. And you can click on each individual one. Show them that module where you figured out that it was just like a huge problem because it was like a bajillion dependencies. That's changed. Has it changed? Yeah. Oh okay. See it's not ridiculous anymore. Okay so you can see if a module, if it's going to be easy to repair something because you can see how many dependencies each of the things on the page actually has. Well it's just easier because you can see like what inheritance and you can see exactly which element it is and you can like jump into this and that's okay that's band.ma so I can go and find that super easily now and change things and do whatever I want. That's just kind of fun. It looks kind of cool. That's really the main reason why it's awesome. I'm not even going to try and hide that. It just looks really cool. It's like look I can do this. It's really not like yeah I don't know. It's not exactly needed. Why don't we do a little bit of Twitter questions since apparently that was a big problem for us last time. If we'd been doing freaking Twitter questions we would have known that this stream wasn't working at all. So someone says you're sexy. I'm with Thomas on this one. What do you think about the rumors of Nvidia not allowing non-reference ports for GK 110? Why does Nvidia hate over clocks? Nvidia doesn't hate over clocks. Nvidia hates dead chips because people overdo it. That's what Nvidia hates. Which I don't like. I don't like dead chips either. That's not what I meant. I don't like that they're stopping progress. Okay new GPUs are progress. Yeah but limiting people's over-volting capabilities is not progress in my opinion. I want to have fun with my stuff. I don't want to just buy and be like yeah it's my system. How much fun is your stuff if Nvidia knows that as the processes keep shrinking over-volting is going to be more...okay remember a GPU is not like a CPU where you can do this to it. You can just be like oh yeah CPUs lots more leakage with the new smaller process so we'll just put this on it and then it's okay. GPUs you're limited to this stupid horrible inefficient cooling form factor where I mean putting a fan sideways on something. Who came up with this? This is the worst thing ever. Guys I know that that's because this slot in type form factor is not designed for video cards. I know. They didn't come up with this because they thought it was brilliant. They came up with this because it was a means to an end. They have to cool the cards somehow. But I mean here this is kind of a funny thing. People think that graphics cards output like shed loads of heat because they run really hot. They don't. If you actually take a cooling loop like in the Swift Tech suite where Gabe from Swift Tech had a CPU what was it two GPUs? I think so. Two GPUs. And then didn't he do MOSFET cooling? No no that was a different goal. That was a different system? Yeah. Okay. I think he had a CPU and two GPUs in the one at the end of the table. Yeah he had two crazy ones I just wanted to get them mixed up. So he had a CPU and two GPUs and the actual coolant temperatures were only like four degrees higher and that speaks to the efficiency of the H220 liquid cooler for one thing but it also speaks to the fact that even though GPUs run hot that is not the same thing as outputting a lot of heat. If you guys sort of understand. Like if you were able to put a cooler like this on a GTX 680 I guarantee it would run cooler than a 3570K. So part of the problem is the form factor that they're stuck in. Where it's yeah they can't just throw more cooling at the problem so I understand their perspective. Fair. Bam. Don't care. Fine. I mean I don't want to see us stuck with reference boards. Which like if those rumors are true that's what we're getting to. And while I would prefer an Nvidia reference board to an AMD reference board from what I've seen in the past three generations I would still like to give guys like ASUS the ability to release you know balling Republic of Gamers stuff. And I'd like to see guys like MSI releasing lightning cards. And I mean that yeah that particular reference board is not my cup of tea. The 670 reference board actually has more coil wine and just sort of is generally like really pathetic looking compared to the GTX 680 one. Yeah it does make more noise. Not going to be too stoked if they keep going in that direction but. Yeah. Slick's hair explain now. I got a cut. That's horrible. What? Hey Slick are you into Linux? I think he means Linus and yeah he's super into me. It's a typo. I'm not super good with it but I try and it's really cool and it's fun and come closer. Why? Just the framing's weird. I'm going to move over to. I don't just want to be close to you. I was like what? Yeah Linux is really cool. I just wish I was better with it. OBS stream software yeah I've heard of it. I can turn down the mic a little. We can you know what. I can just not yell much. That should be fine. Shout out to the Linus Tech Tips forum mod team. Speaking of the forum we actually haven't had any downtime this week. That I knew about. When did we have downtime? It just kind of flicked out a little bit. I don't know if very many people actually noticed it all. No big deal. It came back. It's okay. Okay well the forum's been way more stable. We've stopped rolling out every beta release of Evil Litin V that sort of comes across our inboxes. That wasn't why the forum went down. I know but it couldn't have happened. It was probably stable. You know what I don't want to talk about it. But when the release that fixes the pages comes out. We're going to go pretty hard for that one. We're going to test that one in development and then we're going to hopefully release that one. Most of the other ones we're kind of ignoring because a lot of the fixes while they would help are not that substantial and then bringing down the forum to put it live and then running into problems while we're trying to update because everyone runs into problems while they're trying to update Evil Litin V right now. And then finally getting it live and then running into X, Y, and Z errors that we haven't seen before and all these people freaking out because something doesn't work. That's not really worth it right now where we feel that most of our users on the forum are at least getting used to the bugs that are happening. People are finding their own kind of work arounds and we posted a work around for one and it's becoming... There we go. That's where we're like it. Here's the lash. Doesn't matter. Don't worry about it. Oh my goodness. I'm still taller than you. There. You're sitting up all straight. I can sit up straight too. I'll just move closer to the camera. There we go. This is how they filmed the hobbit apparently. They just had a bunch of people standing closer to the camera. See? We could make me look like a giant and Slick look like a midget. The lighting's all weird on your face though. They can tell. They also can tell that you just put my chair all the way to the bottom. The bottom of my chair, the top of the seat part of my chair... They can't see that....is at the bottom of his. That's the smoke and mirrors that is. I'm like that much further down than he is. That is filmed. What were you talking about? Sorry. Something about how the forum went down and it's all your fault? You're fired. Mods have been great. Thanks literally everyone on the mod team. That's been awesome. We might actually have some cool new stuff to talk to the mod team about at some point. We're not going to talk about that now though. Top secret for now. That could be really fun. That could be actually the best thing ever. That was a good idea. At first I didn't think it was that great. That's a great idea. Everyone's just wondering what the heck we're talking about now. Everyone, by the way, if you see stuff that's in the wrong forum, if you see stuff that's bad, there is the flag tool at the bottom of the post. That works, right? That is one of the things that works. Yes! Unfortunately, there's only two people that see it. Only the admins can see the flags, so not the whole mod team gets to see the flags. It will possibly take us a bit because we're working on other stuff, but I do get to all the flags that get posted. If you post a flag, I will get to it. Just found out my WD Green external can copy 70s to... Where the heck is the thing? Oh yeah, USB 2, that's about the max it can do. It's 35 megabytes per second. I'm pretty sure that's what you meant. What's the difference between SAS and SATA? That's one of those if you don't know, you don't really need to know kinds of things. SAS has some more enterprise level error correction built into it. It plays more nicely with things like back planes that will split it out. Like SATA supports simple port multipliers, but some of the more advanced functionality is... Do you have one of the simple port multipliers? SAS actually, yeah I've got a SAS. He's got some nice SAS splitters, so we'll get one of those. That'll show one of the things that you can actually do with it, which is actually really cool. SAS supports not only splitting out to individual what appear to be SATA connectors from something like an SFF 8087, which is what this connector is, but it also supports direct 8087 connections to an 8087 compatible back plane and things like that. SAS is more server professional enterprise level technology, whereas SATA is more for consumer level. They're not actually any difference in terms of the speed, so don't worry about it. Is WD ever going to enter the SSD market? I would expect them... Well, they already have, like two years ago or whenever it was when they released... I don't remember what it was called. It wasn't very successful. Wasn't there time to... Hold on, hold on, hold on. That whole presentation that we attended was NDA. Not talking about that. Oh, okay, go ahead. Weren't there a ton of rumors that they were going to acquire OCC there for a while, or was that Seagate? No, that was Seagate. Oh, okay, yeah. Is it Seagate that's actually thinking about getting into the SSD game, or is that WD? Seagate, I had a call with them, but my entire call is under NDA, so I can't actually talk about this topic, but he doesn't know, so he can talk about it as much as he wants. But he doesn't know, so there's nothing to say. Yeah. Yes. There were tons of rumors when OCC was kind of in the dumpster for a bit that Seagate was going to acquire them. Ted says nice Bieber haircut. I don't even know what my hair looks like. No, Bieber has hair like that now. Like this? You basically look like Justin Bieber. That's unfortunate. Too bad you don't sound like him. He's like half my size and sounds like a girl. He's so dreamy. Oh, what? No. You disgust me. Trade-offs between multi- and single-rail power supplies. I think we've covered this before, so I'm going to leave that one. Okay. Okay, okay. We're risking it. We're risking it. Oh, yeah. I do look dodgy, and you do look like you're thinking really hard about something. Thinking long and hard. You know what was really creepy? I showed Linus's the face swap post on the forum. Oh, that is... Oh, God. That is just awful. Here. Like what? I'm going to go find it. Linus Tech. Just unsettling. Just... Face swap. It's just weird. Okay, so yeah, here it is, guys. This is the Linus and Slick face swap thread. I'm going to write a full page. Yeah, yeah. I'm working on it. So this is just like... I don't know why it's so creepy, but it really, really is. Seems really slow right now. Yeah, I know. Why is the forum so slow, Slick? Way to go. Maybe you could give me actual hosting. Maybe you could be not running me on beta software. Maybe you could give me an actual server. You know what? That server is a little bit bad. That server is not bad. Yeah, that's true. That's like... It's a 980X. It's not a bad server by any stretch of the imagination. And it has like baller 48 gigs of RAM. Yeah. What? 48 gigs of non-ECC RAM. Speaking of things that are optimized for server and professional applications and... Not that. Not optimal for... Not the like... What are they? They're rip jaws, right? Yeah, they're G skill rip jaws. Okay, so the forum is just apparently not working at all. No, no, wait there. Go... Oh, no. Wait. Yes. Wait. Slow. Is everyone hammering the forum because we're talking about it in the live stream? Oh god. Is it just down? Yeah. Weren't we just talking about how it's not down? Yeah. Is it down or timing out? It's timed out. Uh... Check the Twitch chat. Is anyone on the forum? Like, was it up recently? A lot of people are saying it's down. Was it up recently, guys? Ah, you've got to be kidding me. Well, that's depressing. Okay, well, I guess you guys will have to just trust me when I say that it's creepy. And you'll have to sort of look into that. So, I guess we'll move right along in terms of our discussion topics. Ah, yes. My personal rig is finally going to be having some progress made on it. So, I got a confirmation from Mountain Mods that I am going to be getting my case back next week. So, I sent it down there for powder coating. It actually was a little bit trickier to do the powder coating than they initially thought. So, they had to... Okay, the first time I sent my TJ07 to them, I had the anodization left on the side panels and on the unibody frame because it was beautiful, it was immaculate, it was brand new. So, I only sent them the internals to powder coat with their black wrinkle. However, this time around, because I've had my case for a long time now and it's gotten kind of beat up and scuffed and scratched, and the side panels have that hairline brushed aluminum finish that I love but is extremely susceptible to staining. Like, if you just touch it and you don't wipe it off immediately, then it'll just leave a stain of a fingerprint that etches itself into the aluminum and you can't get rid of it afterwards. So, I had that all over it. So, I was like, okay, screw it. I'm just going to powder coat the whole thing this time. So, I sent them the entire case and I'm actually... What's going on? Okay, Slick just barreled out of here. So, I have no idea what's going on but whatever it is is sort of a big deal apparently. So, anyway, my case was stained to crap. So, I sent them the whole thing. I'm actually replacing so not only the finish on the entire thing. It's going to be black wrinkle, but I'm also replacing the side panel window. So, instead of using a piece of acrylic, which is just horrible, like acrylic scratches by the time you actually peel the plastic cover off of it most of the time and because it's such a static magnet, it's always got dust on it and it always kind of looks cloudy no matter what you try to do. So, I'm replacing that with glass as well. But anyway, so Mountain Mods found it was kind of tricky because they had to strip off the anodization and then the logos on that case are actually done with a special epoxy. Like it's an opaque epoxy. There's a Silverstone logo at the top and then there's like a power indicator at the bottom. So, they had to get that stripped off as well. I think they ended up sanding it off just to get rid of it. There's a special remover for it and I know that it's kind of out there in the forums but they're just painting the thing anyway. So, they just scratched it. Then they had to actually paint it and then once it gets back, I'm going to find out if I can even put the thing together because I remember having a conversation with Charles from Murder Mod. Back this must have been like four years ago? Four or five years ago? Wow, I've been doing this a long time. Anyway, I had a conversation with Charles from Murder Mod back when he first started up where he said that the issue with powder coating TJ07s is that the tolerances can sometimes be so tight on the side panels that once you add that extra bit of thickness to the unibody in the side panel, you actually can't mount the thing on anymore. So, I'm a little bit worried that that's what's going to happen to mine but if it does, I have a TJ11 sort of on standby and I'll go ahead and just kind of use that and I won't be too sad about it. Speaking of my personal rig actually, this is really cool. I wanted to show you guys this. We did an unboxing of this reservoir earlier this week so this will be coming soon. But if you guys remember, I'm using one of the limited edition Swift Tech Apple G HD gold plated blocks. They only made 200. So NCIX ordered, I think NCIX placed the second order. So NCIX got numbers 60 to 120 or something like that or like 60, 60 to 100 or I don't know. Yeah, 60 to 120. So I got number 69 and I wanted to do kind of like a gold themed build so I saw this and it kind of caught my eye. It is a gold plated cylinder reservoir from uh... phobia. So it's actually got gold plated plugs that come with it. So I was thinking with bits power gold plated compressions, this thing would look absolutely amazing. But I just, I'm not sure. Is it something like this? It actually like it's heavy too. So the end caps are brass unlike on the T-virus reservoir where they're made of uh... acetal or delrin or um... yeah acetal and delrin are the most common names for it. So it actually has some heft to it which I kind of like. It comes with really really nice mounts. So most of these cylinder ress come with sort of cheesy plexi mounts. Is it up? It's like bogged to hell. What's wrong with it? I think it might be running a timed backup because they run on hour based cycles not like this time every day. Because we wanted to have more backups because of last time that we lost posts. So I think we hit a really bad time because we started talking about stuff in the forum and everyone hit it. So it's backing up the database and people are hitting the database. So it's just like... So if the database ran on like SSD then would it just... Well one of the things that we're thinking about doing is making a dedicated MySQL computer. Right okay. This would kind of help with that kind of stuff. Okay. Yeah because see I've just been killing time here. I started talking about a reservoir. I had nothing. I was like... I was like whatever he's doing it looks really urgent. Well I started pinging uh... I pinged other boxes that were sitting there. I thought maybe the Chinese guy was back or something. Oh god did we ever talk about that? I don't think so. We got attacked by a Chinese guy. A Chinese hacker. Yeah he's a ninja. That was nuts. And then the... Well you haven't even talked about why it's nuts because anyone can sort of be a script kitty but this guy was like serious business. This guy knew what he was talking about. What happened? We just got absolutely hammered like harder than... We've like... We've had a few different DDoS attacks before we got the nice firewall and then this guy just crushed us. Like it was ridiculous and we weren't really getting touched by him at all. Like the site was going fine. It was just like... In other cases it kind of like sped up. I think people are using uh like loik and stuff which doesn't seem to all hit all at once. But this guy was like prepared and angry. I mean what kind of gear do you figure he had? A lot. I don't know exactly what he had but a lot. So how far did he get? He was SSHing into our Linux box. Which means he was trying... He was like getting... Yeah. He's trying to remote connect into our box which is like not cool. And what's the point? There's no data on it that's like helpful. Yeah I guess. Anyway the point is we have a baller firewall now. And he's tried again since then. And failed. And the firewall basically gave him the old... Nope. No thank you please sir. Thank you. Bye. So uh... See you later alligator. That was cool actually. Yeah that's kind of neat. Um so where were we? Ah yes. Okay I wanted to do a model numbers rant. Um that's not really related to anything. So bring up those SSDs again. Okay I'm gonna go get another SSD that's somewhat related to this rant. Why am I bringing these up particularly? Okay here's another one. Okay so product naming consistency. This drives me crazy. This is a Samsung 830. This is a top of the range performance drive that is as as good as it gets from its generation. I know where you're going with this. This is a Samsung 840. This is a mainstream drive. Okay this is a Samsung 840 Pro. This is a top of the range performance drive. Why isn't an 840 a continuation of an 830? Why isn't this called the 740? I mean that's okay here this is this is what makes me crazy. And it's not just them. The graphics cards guys do it. Everyone does it. If you have a number based naming scheme scale as you go to the right. Why not just change the number and make it different? Like okay out of all the numbers out of all the numbers between zero and a thousand Samsung has used a grand total of I think four of them. Why not just call it an 840 and an 835? Or like a 720 or uh I mean they can't use 520 because Intel used that. And then there's Intel's numbers which are just random. It's like the 5 it's a 520. It's a 330. And then a 335 I think is just a 330 with like a die shrink or something like that. And isn't faster. Like at all. And actually you know what no Nvidia has been sometimes really good and sometimes super inconsistent. Like I don't know if you remember when they pulled. Okay this wasn't as bad as what they used. They skipped 300. Yes. Which just like still blows people's minds. Skip 300 outright. Like I always I actually make mistakes when I'm talking about how many generations apart. What what happened there? They skipped they completely skipped 300 and then 200 to 400 was a huge generational leap that could have I mean do you think they had a product and then just didn't release it? But then why wouldn't you just name the new one 300? And like okay and what's up with Nvidia and sometimes releasing a flagship product that is an ultra and sometimes releasing a flagship project that is a that one 5. And then like what happened to all the differentiation between GTX and GTS and GT. What happened to GX2? Yeah. Now that's just a 90. Yeah. Right. So it just floated all around. They're just and although I think AMD was probably the worst one. When they went from a 6970 being a top of the range single GPU to a 6990 being a dual card. To a set no wait which one 5870 right 5970 was a dual GPU card. Right. 6970 was a top of the range single GPU. I actually never really even thought about that. And then it was a 6990. It's like so there's a 20 digit like like 20 number separation between a 6970 and a 6990. When a 6990 is actually two 6970s. Before that it was 5850 5870. Same kind of thing. And then it was a um 5850 was it hold on 5970 wasn't it. Oh crap now I don't remember. Microsoft's really bad for it too. Operating systems. I'm just confused. See but this is the kind of confusion that comes around. Operating systems go back and forth in between letters and XP and years and then digits and it's like what. Instead of having two digits we're going to have one digit. Yeah and you go from like like years to like random small letter combinations to vista which is a word and then number. Just like nope. Back down to single number. It's like what what are you doing. Like why can't they just make it simple for the consumer. It's like this is the you know ballinist thing you know 250 and that's better than the ballinist thing 200. I don't know even though I don't like them apple does pretty okay. I just don't care. No iPad. No no iPad. You know it kind of drives me crazy because I was listening to the radio and they were doing a giveaway for um for an iPad with retina display. I was like which one. Which iPad with retina display. That's fantastic. I love how they just don't care. Nope it doesn't have a name. And like the worst thing about iPad 3 versus iPad 4 is that the differentiation between these two products is so small and so insignificant that like and and like the general consumer so doesn't care about an a6 or an a8 or an a25 or whatever chip happens to be in it. It's just like they're like iPad with retina. Like it used to be that you could go iPad iPad 2 okay iPad with retina. Now it's like iPad with retina. Like there's no killer feature where you can go yeah this is like the one and then but on iPhone they number them except when they put an s on it. So anyway naming schemes. If anyone out there is listening everyone who comes up with naming schemes that make no sense is uh is just like needs to not do that anymore. Speaking of naming schemes that make no sense in Windows operating systems uh Windows Phone 8 actually that makes perfect sense. Yeah I know. Don't worry about it. So I now have not only the HTC 8x but I've also got my hands on an 8s and I just want to say for those of you who have been enjoying my iSwitched series of videos where I'm logging my impressions not necessarily as a total expert because people have been like hardcore criticizing the videos going he doesn't know what he's doing. Yeah that's the point. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm not a phone guy. I'm giving you my experience. I personally did not find it intuitive to go into my contact list like this and okay I find scrolling intuitive. I find scrolling on the right hand side like it's done in iOS and Android intuitive. I do not find it intuitive to click this number sign here and have that bring up a menu of numbers that I can or letters that I can skip to. I haven't seen this. Yeah this is a button. How was I supposed to know that? Remember I asked you what that was? I was like you have a contact that doesn't have a name. Well yeah but it's just their headers so you can click any one of them. But when we first started looking at your phone I was like why do you have a contact that doesn't have a name? Right so anyway I didn't figure that out. Another thing that I didn't and but to me that okay yes you could go Linus you didn't do enough research on the phone. I'll go well yeah but who does? If I'm approaching it as not a phone enthusiast as just a general consumer the other one was I complained that notifications that come down from the top don't go away you can't just click out of them and so for me as a Windows user if something pops up my first reaction is just click somewhere else and it'll go away and it doesn't work that way because what you're supposed to do is swipe them away to the right. That to me was not a natural Windows response. If you're an Android user that makes sense. But I'm an iOS user didn't know that so anyway the point is most of the issues that I had have been resolved in a big way and the 8s fixes my last problem with the Windows 8 platform because it is significantly smaller. So the issue I have with the 8x is that I can't really I can't really it's a little bit more slippery than the 8s and I can't quite reach the far left side while holding on to the phone. So the 8s is a four inch screen versus a 4.3 inch screen so you can see it's quite a bit smaller and is much more comfortable it also has a soft touch grip to the back and I can reach all the way across of it across it so typing is much easier. The one issue I have with the 8s is that it's only a 4 gig phone so I'm going to see if all of my apps fit on the 8s and then I might actually switch to it. It's expandable but you can't install apps on the SD card. Oh yeah it has a micro SD whereas the 8x doesn't have a micro SD expansion slot so there's sort of give and takes to both of them and for those of you who are asking why I didn't get a Lumia 920 it's because I don't have a Lumia 920. HTC sent me these Windows phones in order to do my impressions so that I could make these videos and I mean they knew that it wasn't necessarily going to be all roses about the phones because I'd never used Windows Phone 8 before. And self-admittedly not a phone guy. I even told them I'm like I'm not a phone guy why do you even want me to do this? That's part of the reason why. They're like it's because you're not a phone guy. We want to find out from a non-phone guy how this whole experience goes and so yeah I thought that was pretty cool and I think as I get closer to the end of the 30 days I'm going to be a lot more comfortable with it. Tell them what you said today. What did I say today? When we were walking downstairs and you're like I think I might actually. I may actually switch. Yeah. So I'm getting to the point where I'm I may actually I may actually stick with Windows Phone and I'm not going Android. This comes from like a pretty hardcore Apple phone guy. Yeah I pretty I like the iOS a lot. Yeah. iOS is good. I still like iOS but you know what's funny is when I pick up my iPhone 4 it feels like a brick now because the 8X is so much bigger and so much lighter and just like it's sexier and just kind of better in in every way but yeah I'm not going Android. I know there's a lot of features that Android has but I don't like the user experience. Sorry. Part of that could be I've said this before but part of it could be because I'm more used to Android on tablet. That's where I've used it mostly and I've spent a fair bit of time on Android in a tablet environment but I I just don't want that for my phone for my phone experience. We all know it's totally different but he's just he's just a hater. You know what entire conversation is missing now? We didn't talk about the Logan thing. Oh my god. I know we talked about this for like 10 minutes. So Logan made a pretty bold claim. Logan from Tech Syndicate. If you're not subscribed to Tech Syndicate make sure you are. It's youtube.com slash raise the world where the o in world is a zero. So he made a pretty bold claim that the 80 FX8350 pile driver core AMD processor is just as good if not better for gaming in a lot of cases than the 3570k and the conventional wisdom on the internets has been if you're gaming get a 3570k shut up about it and just go enjoy your processor. So when you guys brought it up on the live stream last week I had initially kind of went ah poo poo no it's not right and that wasn't because I was just being dismissive of someone else's results. We have tested those chips before. The last time we did a head-to-head was with the 2500k and the 8150 but both of those are about 10 percent slower than the processors that replaced them the 3570 and the 8350 and we did not have his experience between those two chips at all. And like we didn't run the same benchmarks. That's true we didn't run the same benchmarks. The only one that we ran that was the same was crisis and we had a very similar output. Okay so that could be part of it. Another part of it is that it came to my attention that Logan was using a released and then retracted Windows 7 patch that looks like it optimizes the scheduling of processes across multiple cores better which would obviously be an advantage for the 8350 versus 3570k which not only has half as many cores well sort of half as many cores. Bulldozer modules are not quite too coarse they're like one and a half cores so it has fewer cores and it doesn't even have the benefit of hyperthreading like the 3770k does but the 3770k is in a different price bracket from an 8350 so we can't make that comparison. So we kind of went okay let's take all this and let's put the Linus Tech Tip spin on it so we're not going to quite run the exact same thing as him the exact same way. I sat down and watched all his videos and took immense amounts of notes. I have like four or five pages worth of notes. We paid attention and we're going to try and do our own thing not copy but do our own thing. So we're going to do our own thing and we're going to take a slightly different angle. So number one our test platforms we're going to keep them as similar as possible. We're going to run a 660 Ti power edition. We are going to run what did we decide on the amount of RAM? What eight gigs? Oh what RAM are we running? Oh okay we're running 16 gigs of of DDR3 1600 CL9 RAM so just like normal memory. We're running a Crosshair 5 formula and a Maximus 5 formula. So the most up-to-date highest performance ROG boards for each of those platforms. Okay I guess there's technically a Maximus 5 Extreme. Yeah but like pretty bleeding edge. Both formula level boards and we're going to stick with 1080p because that's sort of our tradition. Most people still aren't really running 1440p particularly gamers if you're buying fast TN panels or whatever else. Those aren't really out there in 1440. I'm not trying to be rude I'm talking to Mr. Wizard about bringing the forum up and stuff. Is it still down? It's it's kind of shaky. Okay. So I'm not trying to be rude. Keep going. Keep going. No. Where was I? Right we're going to stick with 1080p. One video card we're going to run a variety of games. And our benchmarking settings for those games will be very similar to tests we've done on those games previously. We're keeping our kind of style. We're going to do our style. So I think one of the things Logan did was he maxed he cranked all the settings because he was looking at it from a well okay if you've got all the processing power whether it's an 8350 or 3570k we can all agree that they're both beast. That's fine. If you have a high end video card you're probably going to crank up your settings. However something that we've observed in the past is that if you crank the settings completely to the max some games just break. So we've seen games where performance just falls off a cliff disproportionately. I've seen games where turning on anti-aliasing past a certain point increases the input lag of the game engine itself to the point where it's just totally unplayable. So we're going to go for that that sort of that realistic yeah we'd actually play like this. So if they if one wins over the other it's probably going to be the difference between 45 fps and 38 fps. So we're going for that that playable range rather than just kind of tanking it as hard as we can and and seeing what happens. We are also going to shake up one thing that Logan didn't do and we're going to change the OS up. So we're going to do Windows 7 without the patch that you have to get by specifically requesting it because it was retracted. We're going to do it with the patch on Windows 7 and then we're going to do Windows 8 because Windows 8 should have that that logic already built into it. So and we've been being I mean people have asked us how many times to do gaming on Windows 7 performance versus gaming on Windows 8 performance with the same platform. So in this case we're going to do that on Intel and on AMD separately to say sort of once and for all does the OS impact the gaming performance. I can tell you guys right now it doesn't very much but we're going to do a video about it anyway we're going to prove it. There is some areas where it's better or worse. I've seen some other people's benchmarks not a lot you're right. It's not huge. No it's not huge but it's the kind of thing you'd never notice unless you're testing side by side. It's still interesting though. Okay interesting yes so I'll give it that it is interesting and I think you've closed up the notebook which is where I had my notes for what I wanted to talk about. Okay is the forum up enough that we can show them the scary creepy thread now? It's it's kind of fluttering in and out. We can try. Let's see if that one thread manages to load so. Everybody cross your fingers is the forum gonna load? And you know of course every time we talk about it they're all gonna. Let's just let it sit in the back. Okay here I have to go to the washroom so why don't you preview this surprise you have for me? Show them what it is. Okay okay. Oh so oh it's not loading at all is it? No it just totally failed. Okay so I can't really show it too much because I don't want to take it to the box. I ordered some stuff from China some keyboard stuff. I got a ducky wrist rest. It's all leather and I'm not really usually a fan of wrist rest because I don't really like the really jelly stuff but this one's very kind of hard but then still comfortable. So pretty stoked about that. I do not like wrist rest but I've been using this over the last little while and this is the only one I've had that I actually really like but I've never had a really solid wrist rest before so not hitting on any other wrist rest. And then I'm a fan of keyboards and I wanted to get another one and I was going to buy a Philco Magistouch the the uh you can find out it's on ntx it's a special edition one but it has yellow keycaps and then I decided that I wanted to get a tenkeyless one and I was looking around at different keyboards and decided that I might as well get a year of the dragon one from ducky. Let me see right there. I'm not going to open it because I'm going to get him to do it. So that's pretty cool. I kind of wanted to get a year of the dragon one because they make year of the keyboards kind of fairly consistently and they're always pretty cool and like this one's got a lot of cool features and it looks really cool and they do their own little thing with it it's pretty awesome. Holy crap. I bought I brought some of the cool stuff that we're going to be checking out soon on the channel so uh all of this arrived today which is kind of sweet so we have a Razer Orbweaver on hand we saw this at CES. Tell me slick okay as someone who hasn't typically found I mean have you ever owned a Razer peripheral that you've used for an extended period of time? Technically yes one. One okay okay but in general not really much of a Razer guy. Tell me about this. And my one Razer thing I kind of hate it. Okay. And it's broken. Tell me about this. Um I hate these things not like this one in particular but like these little game pads game pad things I've never really okay seen the intrigue about it but if I had to get one this one just crushes all the other ones it comes with uh that's important the word crush like like no competition oh um cherry mx blue key switches all fully mechanical game pad which I mean makes it how much better than everything else just crushes like it's not even funny and like I still am not a fan of the platform I don't like the idea I want my full keyboard but if if that is the solution that you want that one is the one you should get I'm I'm like so excited about this I mean we only got we didn't even get to play a game with it at CES because it was just like on here if you want to hold it up that's probably helpful uh because it was just like now I can't see it okay well whatever this thing um so we didn't get to play any game because they just had it on demo like not actually running any games so what could we do but um we I I got to be hands-on with it what was neat about it was it's adjustable enough like some things like I would go as far as to say the rat is a little bit over adjustable to the point where no one actually needs to do that well whatever I still think it's cool okay fine if no it's cool agree it's cool I don't want one personally but I still think it's cool okay but this is adjustable enough to the point where I can put my hands on it and it works slick put his hands on it and it still works it's still usable no matter no matter how you're using it it's fully programmable which is a requirement for something like this and it actually has a lot of keys I mean you can complain all you want about how you want your full keyboard but this thing has 20 keys you have really big hands though like I can't reach more than this many keys for sure like the size of this thing I can't get any further over than that in all likelihood and the d-pad is another big deal as well so I am super excited to check this out and synapse has been fixed now to the point where it works offline so yeah that was done pretty quick I hated on that pretty hard but they fixed that pretty quick so I don't know okay so we've got an Acer notebook that just arrived so this is an Aspire M Touch which I hope is something that we can talk about okay if if it's not then hopefully no one from Acer is watching because I don't want to get in trouble and then this one is oh this I'm really excited about this is an Aspire S7 13 inch so I've checked out the 11 inch before that's the one with the aluminum top that's got like a cross hatch brushed aluminum pattern on it and is super light this one's a little bit heavier it's a 13 inch but what's special about this guy is the fact that it has a gorilla glass top and looks just absolutely beautiful like the Acer of sort of you know thin plastic shells and screens that flex like this seems to have just been sort of dropped down a hole and buried with with a notebook like this so I'm really really excited to check it out I have not been hands-on with the Aspire S7 13 inch yet oh I know these are and this I have a pretty good idea of what it is but we actually haven't opened it yet this is from Corsair so let's uh go ahead and pull out the old knifey but I'm hoping that this is Corsair's uh this is Corsair shot across the bow of NZXT because NZXT actually beat them to market on a 140 millimeter and 280 millimeter liquid cooler and it is this is the Corsair H110 which is a large and I mean a large liquid cooler from Corsair it's got a 2x140 millimeter fan cooling configuration it uses Corsair link which I personally consider to be an advantage over the Kraken software it's very comprehensive compared to what other guys have and it integrates you know with all your other components which is part of what the whole link messaging is about so I am very very excited to put this on our standardized test bench which you can't see but I'm touching right now I assure you it's right there and see how the performance how the performance shakes down so that's some of the cool stuff that we're going to have coming in the next little bit here and why don't you go ahead and blindside me with the surprise I actually legit have no idea what's going on here it's probably stupid just like thought it was a good idea okay what is this what is this well just this is separate okay so this is a wrist rest yeah okay but I don't I'm not a huge fan of wrist rest because I don't like really soft wrist rest this is really hard though this is and then I don't like really crappy stupid plastic key wrist rest that usually come with keyboards okay this is a very solid but very good wrist I wish the back was grippier I do too and I think I might do some type of mod to change that the first thing that you have to do I saw it in a picture and I was like oh that's going to be grippy because it looks grippy because it looks super grippy but it's not at all yeah okay there you go that's a better angle like it has like a texture to it but it's it's more like plastic yeah and I like I read I read up online and knew it wasn't going to be grippy but that's okay I'm sure I can do something about you know what I have some um I have some neoprene yeah like you if you like take that and then glue it on or something like that I think I have some thin neoprene that would be probably perfect because like I knew I'd just do something to that so this is a ducky dk908 did you actually order a new keyboard when did you do this how do you have money for this no offense just wait it's pretty cool okay because I'm not a sleeve I pulled out a sleeve but it like there's a black sleeve there's a black sleeve okay so I have to enjoy the full unboxing experience because I'm not really a ducky guy so I legit have no idea what this keyboard is but there's their there's their branding on the front of it wow they actually do a really nice job with the packaging this is nice it's not a standard one this is not a standard one limited edition so ducky channel.com.tw okay how do you have money for this okay I can already tell from like the way the box is uh is shaping up here that this thing's going to be baller in some way or another so here can you hold this so that they can see and so that I can so that I can work on it here okay is this something that I'm like legit gonna have to try and jack that is foam the foam doesn't come out so you can take the individual things so there's a key removal tool that comes with it okay so we're not the best kind you want we should have done an unboxing of this but you can't really get them oh remember you can't how did you get it uh you can't buy them from standard stores anymore if you go on geek hack there's one dude that has a few left okay so there's a red WASD keys that are included as well as this the f h like these keys here are because on the middle this is a year of the dragon keyboard so 2012 so on the middle there's special keys that say 2012 so if you want it to go f h g j you can replace it oh it's heavy i love duckies they're so well built ducky and philco and uh cooler master and cooler master cm storm for that matter it's like awesome awesome well-built stuff all right so here it is the ducky year of the j dragon cherry mx blue keyboard on the back there's a uh there's a mark that shows you which one it is out of however many were produced it looks like so this is number 186 this is number 186 which is obviously like meant to be for me because that's the year i was born 86 but uh okay so here's the uh here's the 2012 sort of year of the dragon thing there so they've actually changed the text here is this backlit this is back what color blue i guess well oh it's blue back blue backlit okay so we've got a it's got a whole bunch of different lighting modes uh one of them is marquee which is more just like you put it on a shelf and people can see it so it just looks really cool you ordered this because you didn't actually want so this is why you didn't even care if your old one worked anymore no actually this is actually for um like i live at one place and then i have my parents place right so when i go home on the weekends i use this old gel cap keyboard that i used when i used to play everquest so i go from my awesome ducky where i live and then i have to use this old gel cap keyboard when i go home so i wanted a smaller more portable keyboard that i can have at home and then i can kind of haul around with me there we go sorry that computer i plugged it into wasn't uh wasn't powered on so oh looks like it's doa oh wow that is a nice color yeah and you can change the brightness levels up here and you can change the modes so function key here's brightness levels okay so it's got a number of different brightness levels wow at its brightness that's really nice yeah really vibrant and then there's your 2012 yeah and then they've got the dragon key right here which is your function key they've got a custom key up here like is that was it like a fire from the dragon or something i'm not even entirely sure but it kind of looks like it's not uh it's not consistent with anything that's on here so that's the dragon right there and then there's uh i don't actually know what this says but it's chinese writing i'm assuming it says you're the dragon sweet i don't know it wasn't always really look at that back and forward oh these are media back and forth yes media back and forth this is all media yeah and then you get into let's see on one there oh cool because you can have this is like or i don't remember actually how to do it you have to like hold something down for a certain amount of time but it's just like the one we saw at ces with corsair where you can like tell it which ones you want lit up okay right right okay uh the k95 from corsair allows you to just hold down a button and go yeah i want these ones lit and these ones not lit so these are custom lighting patterns that you can have on it that's why you can tell it's like striped here except for the 2012 which is solid so it's just supposed to kind of look cool and then if we go uh here off that zone like this is all just different lighting types oh that's cool i think this one's just presets oh yeah so it's breathing right now breathing's pretty cool hopefully they can see that i don't think they can see it but it's uh it's a pretty good effect and then uh i think this is possibly the marquee one okay no there we go that's marquee so marquee just kind of like shows it off just wait a sec that's very cool it's supposed to do like all the striping is it it might take a little while because if it's meant to sit on it's meant to sit on a retail shelf when you're running it in marquee mode right so okay um there's one more i got to get it to work sorry it's doa for what it's worth guys his old ducky is still working as well uh it's plugged into a usb3 port so that might be part of the flakiness the computer might have fully booted and now it's all acting up it might um but the the mode that i'm actually most excited for is reactive type so as you press down a key that key lights up oh really that's pretty cool that's kind of ridiculous that's pretty cool and then on the bottom um there's actually switches and this is how you set like you can disable your windows key you can swap your control and caps lock you can disable uh something else i don't know them all right now i'm on the spot so the old the old ducky is going to go back to your parents house then probably because i'm very excited for this guy right and then this you can decide whether or not you want to put it on i'm obviously going to put it on but it's a shield over top of this okay so i don't even know why it comes off i don't know there we go that's marquee so why tenkeyless um i already have a full-size keyboard and then i have my cooler master this tenkeyless and remember when i thought my ducky was dead i used my cooler master for a while yeah i kind of warmed up to it at that point i realized that i got a lot better at typing numbers up here i never used to type numbers up there if i ever had to type a number i dart over to the number pad and keep going okay so i got a lot better typing numbers up here and then this will be more like i go to the island a lot okay whenever i shove my keyboard in my bag it sticks out the top right and someone could just go and it freaks me out the whole time so this is way easier for transportation i just did this cost i'm not going into that this must have been at least 200 bones not going into that no come on come on come on i could figure it out if i really needed to no i bet you can't find it okay you might be able to find it in so this is one of those things like the m cubed t balancer where i just don't want to talk about how much it costs because it's embarrassing because it's just like just stupid it's just stupid to spend this much money on it i got it okay i want to show the reactive typing mode that's obviously not it that's not it that's that may be it there we go okay so it looks like the keys light up there you go you can kind of see it now as you touch them which is very very very cool so compared to the electronics that go into most keyboards um this is some pretty serious business pretty beast stuff that uh that went on in this one and it's cool because it's limited edition and stuff right that's always nice that's very cool okay okay there's not many there's not many computer hardware swags that that i'll get pretty jelly about but that's uh that's pretty cool and then this is the first wrist rest that i've ever liked in my entire life i've actually been using this over the last have you tried the 7g one yeah it just still feels plastic really well it is plasticky but i find the shape is actually like i do kind of like the shape but i really really don't like the plasticky feel i like how this one has the leathery texture to it because it's real leather um you know what i think i had some i think i had some topics that i did want to discuss but um i mean i can't even i can't even really remember what some of them were because we didn't manage to launch the uh launch the live stream until we i think we even talked about one of them already but uh i'm trying to find my post that i sent myself uh twitter questions uh patent troll new egg shopping cart thing oh yeah right that was that was awesome okay i can also yeah why don't you why don't you uh prep why don't you start talking about that one okay one sec all right so i don't know everything behind the story so i'm sorry if i screw something up but if everyone knows what patent trolls are basically they either have some ridiculous patent that's just stupid or they buy something up and then just try to sue everyone they can and make as much money as they can from suing people because of a patent it's not like oh i actually invented this thing and you're actually screwing me over i want compensation for this it's more like let's just gouge everyone we possibly can for as much money as we possibly i bought the guy who actually invented it so now like so now i'm just gonna sue everyone just gonna hoard all of the like awesomeness for myself yeah so someone claimed to have a shopping cart patent now like i said i don't know everything behind the story but shopping cart for online carts so just like okay let's attack everyone like everyone and then new egg just steps up with lawyer power and just goes no and just stops him before he actually got a was able to do pretty much anything new egg kind of stood stood up took the charge and just demolished which is pretty cool because i'm pretty tired of patent trolls yeah i mean one of the one of the important things to note about patent trolls is that they generally have no intention of actually doing anything with the patent so a great example of that would be someone like rambus where they invented a bunch of cool stuff to do with memory and that's cool i mean that's fine but the reality of it is that was a long time ago and at this point everyone's using the technology and everyone's pretty familiar with how it all works and you weren't going to build any of this stuff anyway so sort of you know pee or get off the pot so to speak um you know calm down calm down so don't worry don't worry about it um so actually another topic that i wanted to talk about was the german court that ruled internet an essential service so there was uh there was sort of a shenanigans that went down where um a german court actually ruled that the internet is essential enough to your life that if an isp so an internet service provider um causes any downtime in your internet service that you should be compensated for it does okay your thoughts i think this is actually kind of cool um but come on that's insane but then i worry well there can be seriously critical stuff you can not get a job okay you cannot you can fail an assignment you can like a lot of seriously big-time things can happen and once you bring this to your employer and go all my internet was down even if you have evidence they're just like whatever i don't care but it has to be like if there's a scheduled downtime then i don't think that should count okay so the flip side of that argument is there are reliable internet connections they're called business internet connections they cost three times as much if your internet's that essential to you then you don't mind spending some money on it honestly no like really consumer grade basically if you buy a consumer grade okay here you buy a semi truck where it's a commercial vehicle the expectation is that thing runs for a million damn miles they put lots of maintenance on it they put lots of maintenance in it but the maintenance is scheduled maintenance that is like it's spec'd for that maintenance right it's intended to do that if if that truck broke down in 300 000 kilometers or 300 000 miles or whatever but you don't see these kilometers because that's easier for me if it broke down in 300 000 kilometers how mad are you pretty freaking mad i'm mad whereas if you buy a toyota carola and it runs for 300 000 clicks you're like yeah i got my i got my life cycle out of that right if it breaks down and you have like okay here if a semi breaks down because of a shoddy piece of electronics that makes your shipment the window not open or like the door lock stop working like my parents suv the uh the uh the the trunk you can't open it because the electronic door doohickey doesn't work and they had to take it back to the dealership and get it serviced a couple times um if that happened on a pro grade vehicle i says pardon yes but at the same time like k not to bring up me being on telus again and having 50 kilobits a second upload but we would lose internet like not like once or twice a month like possibly more than once a day you're on telus that's what you get what the heck why but as a consumer you have the right to change it guess how far away the hub is the telus hub i don't know i could throw something and hit it from my house you're pretty buff though but that's not the point like it's literally right there like it's a it's across the street and a little bit this is consumer grade technology telus has crew telus telus has professional grade uh professional grade service that they provide that is more reliable okay there's no point hating on telus you don't even you're not even a customer of theirs anymore so there you go i know i'm just like okay here another thing anything pro grade costs more and people understand that well they used to understand that consumer grade stuff doesn't entitle you to the same level of reliability that pro grade stuff does i mean a xeon with a super micro motherboard with ecc ram that's error checking all the time and like a raid array of boot drives with redundant power supplies that thing better not ever turn off unexpectedly but this is all at the same time even with the semi truck this is stuff where it's all on your end you know perform maintenance not necessarily you could monitor things you could you can perform maintenance all you want on that consumer grade car it's not going to go a million kilometers it doesn't matter it's just not designed to do that and things like a water pump will fail we understand this we accept this in a consumer grade motherboard in consumer grade memory that's not doing any error correction and checking um you know what you can have a random you can have a random solar flare that blasts it with something flips a bit the thing blue screens it turns off we accept this in server grade it's going to find that flip bit it's going to say no it's going to flip it back and that computer is not going to turn off most of the time okay i'm happy you added most of the most of the time but that's what we're talking about professional grade versus consumer grade yeah an internet connection that is consumer grade should be like any other consumer game play devil's advocate this much because i kind of i don't think the internet service fighters should actually get in trouble because there's so many things that can happen but it would just be kind of like if internet goes down for a day and there's no like natural disaster and it's just like all their fault maybe you should get a free day i mean the thing that i'd like to see is more competition with isps yeah so so while i don't agree that we should be penalizing an internet service it's like um there's a there's a um there's like a social what do you call them when a group tries to bring change to different institutions and stuff social social social movement okay there's a social movement called open media in bc that's all about like holy crap internet service providers and cell phone providers are just killing everyone yeah and they're like trying to bring reform because we're all just getting decimated with pretty crappy service for incredible prices and there's like when there's a social movement being like hey guys what the heck and it's similar in a lot of places so while i don't think that we should be able to penalize an internet provider for not having service we should be able to switch to someone else that i believe we should have the right to choose if they suck and if they annoy enough customers then we should have the right to tell them to go shut it somewhere and we should be able to go to someone else unfortunately when there's two because if we have like a restaurant analogy restaurants probably like the perfect way to look at is you have a million choices for restaurants if they serve you like poison food like if an internet provider somehow like serves you a virus serves you a virus then they owe you something but if a restaurant if you go to a restaurant and they're like we're out of chicken McNuggets and what do you say you say oh you owe me money for the gas that i spent to come here to buy chicken McNuggets and you didn't have no they don't which is why i said i can't even really play devils advocate i mean that's just bad luck i like yeah i think like but again like and you can go to a different restaurant yeah but you can't just flip isps every day you can't just be like oh i don't have internet today i'm gonna flip to telus for today and then but the flip side of that is if it's so important to you to have internet on that day then you should have a pro grade connection or what you should do is you should get a load balancing router they're only about 150 bucks and you should have two different isps honestly like it's not okay you looked at me like i was crazy for saying it it's expensive a lot of people can't afford that no but a lot of people can't afford semi trucks so they're gonna have to figure out how to live without a semi truck like i said i don't actually really disagree with you i don't think a isp should get in like big financial trouble for having an outage like and when you consider if they have to compensate i don't know 100 000 customers for a day or half a day or half a day actually that adds up pretty quickly and it's not like that and okay like again i'm not like a bleeding heart oh the poor internet service providers they're pretty balling i mean they're pretty balling but the reality of it is they had all their staff on that day yeah it's not like their operations shut down and if anything their staff were working harder that day because things were getting real but then wow does it and wow doesn't make it super popular i know a couple different mmos do it if it's down for a day you get a day that kind of is a thing with some games not all of them with some mmo games right i know wow did it i know back when i played eq now this is all old knowledge because i don't know but like i know eq way back in the day kind of thought about it i don't remember if they actually ever did but i mean look at it even something like okay like i would go as far as to say when it comes to isps there's almost things that they can't control but that's what i said if it's something like a natural disaster or something along those lines okay okay what if there's just like a power outage because you know someone screwed up there isn't usually just random power it can be for what is it is it their fault is it bc hydro or is it shop you'll never know like if there's a power outage is bc hydro gonna yeah because i would argue that electricity is a much more essential service than in fact i would even argue that electricity is not an essential service if it's down for a few hours or even a day depends who you are why what if you're living off life okay if you're on life support but again hospitals are pro-grade but they have generators but not everyone that's running off that like stuff that requires electricity to live is at a hospital okay that's true but then at that point what are you going to do give them 50 bucks because they died like i don't know i'm just and there i can tell you right now they're using equipment that is pro-grade any medical equipment is pro-grade not consumer grade and is and they've probably got battery backups of some sort or a generator or something or something but i'm just i'm just but i would say that for the general the general i'm trying to keep it interesting by fighting for the other side but i don't fully agree with it okay well i don't actually think isp should get in trouble just for that does anyone dare me to take the legendary axe to his keyboard just to totally i think that would be the point where i get fired out of a cannon that wouldn't that would be beyond not cool um okay well we're pretty close to wrapping up because i don't know about you but i'm getting tired oh sorry um so intel has msata 525 ssds which are basically a tweaked 520 so it's a high performance sand force drive which means that you can get up to a 240 gig very high performance ssd in almost any form factor now um and along those same lines of shrinking storage teshiba now has an external two and a half inch two terabyte drive usb3 pretty standard that's pretty holy crap right that's pretty beast how long ago was it that you could only get two terabytes of capacity in a three and a half in fact three and a half inch drives are still maxed out at four terabytes yeah yeah i was just gonna say that's crazy and like the the average one is two i think right now storage is just getting so much smaller like it hasn't it's been it wasn't since we went from five and a quarter inch being the standard for hard drives down to three and a half inch being the standard for hard drives that we've seen a miniaturization of storage devices like this so not only is the performance going like this uh well on ssd it's more like going like this yeah yeah um but we're actually seeing newer and smaller form factors so ssd's brought huge performance in small capacities into these two and a half inch form factors now they've taken that same performance and they've moved it down to m theta which is absolutely tiny i mean mushkin has a 480 gig m theta just what madness right do they sell that much no of course because i see i know but i see a lot of guys that are just like oh yeah we released this new baller m sata thing and i'm like i don't see m sata move that much like i never see it on forums oh it does it does it moves uh m sata sells to a different consumer m sata is not for uh a desktop hardware enthusiast because what do you even do with it but there's so many desktop boards that are built in not that many there's like three that's a pretty good amount what do you mean that's a pretty good amount it's a pretty good amount for something that i've never seen anyone buy ever okay no m sata is not for the enthusiast desktop guys because why bother you have an enthusiast desktop i know get a two and a half it doesn't make any sense like velcro it to something don't worry about it but then server why don't you just put it in ssd no no not for server then what for notebooks general consumers the guy who buys a macbook or some ultra book and is like oh the only way to expand my storage is probably to get a bigger ssd my device only supports m sata so they buy one and these are people who okay so enthusiasts are more likely to sort of have a fast upgrade cycle or whatever else but a general consumer who's not necessarily as educated is more likely to see a need find a solution and just act on it because they don't want to do all the research that would be involved in setting up a nas so that they can back up their data there or use a cloud service to they don't want to deal with that they just they want a laptop with the hard drive and they want it to be bigger that's it and if you look at it from a dollar per gigabyte perspective which is how an enthusiast looks at it you can go oh that's five hundred dollars for only 500 gigs instead i could buy this drive which is 128 gigs for only 99 dollars a better value whereas if you're a general consumer you're going i spent 1500 dollars on this notebook that has a 128 gig storage device or i can spend it by that much more two thousand dollars to have four times as much storage device so i'm spending 30 more to 4x my storage and when that's when that's one of the main specs in the computer you care about i have a better notebook now i spent this much more yeah that's another way of looking at it and that might be if you bought an equivalent expense notebook you might be happier and get more value out of the one that you upgraded because what you actually needed more of was storage space instead of just throwing more money out of computer and getting maybe only 50 gigs more did i do my windows phone 8 talk before or after we thought we were streaming oh i don't remember anymore i have no idea we also have to do a giveaway oh yeah we have to do a windows 8 giveaway oh i don't have any questions i don't have any questions what should we do let's go with like a linus tech tips related question what os did you wait wait wait hold on hold on tell me first well that's lame i don't i don't even remember what it is i just remember there was that thing like what else do we do i'll bring to some stuff uh let's do you know what um let's let twitch chat tell us uh twitch chat no no no no no they're not picking the question let's let twitch chat tell us if i ever did the windows phone 8 thing um okay i talked about it already okay they say i talked about it already oh okay okay so i'll pick a question while you juggle or something i can't juggle you can't juggle oh well that's a shame well everyone's gonna be ridiculously bored now no they won't be bored i don't know what to talk about let's go twitch chat what's up how's it going how are you guys you're just saying yeah you're not even putting the twitch chat up on the thing so oh press two two don't press two over there whatever hey guys how's it going how's life i'm good hey you're so lame no one's saying anything interesting say stuff that's interesting they're gonna say stuff that's inappropriate yeah i've seen some inappropriate stuff already hey there's a dog i don't know how that guy did that that was actually pretty cool hello from england hi how's it going i don't know what to say you guys saw my keyboard that was kind of all i had up in my sleeve someone has a dog another person has a person i'm good someone asked me how i am destiny's question i didn't see destiny's question read twitter okay we will switch where's the browser there we go oh oh oh it's broken if you don't entertain them better you're fired new interactions crisis 3 beta has been fantastic that's cool i want to play crisis 3 beta needs weapons balancing you know what that's not surprising though i'm gonna go with like a really stupid piece of linus trivia so i'm actually gonna i'm gonna be narcissistic enough to ask a question about myself yeah doesn't have anything to do with windows no what yeah that's the point is it not yeah so then you're just completely avoiding the point yeah we're deviating from the point okay okay um how many inches taller than me is slick and you win a copy of windows 8 i don't even know that okay so we're going to twitter we're going to twitter let's see who gets it right first you can only submit one guess each 18 new interactions uh-oh okay so let's go down i don't i don't know how tall slick is anymore okay hold on hold on how tall are you can't do math okay so we've got some guesses rolling in okay we got someone saying five inches uh six inches five inches three inches four inches five inches seven inches five five two inches six 17 inches come on brian how short do you really think that i am that's not fair four inches seven inches taller okay moving down down down okay here we go eight six five two foot four inches thanks a lot man over 9 000 inches the answer is so i have no idea if we've seen her because i don't know how tall you are six foot three three inches four inches nine inches eight inches three inches seven inches half an inch 20 new interactions no one's got it so far which is kind of funny is it uh what are your thoughts on the fx 8350 yeah we're having a slightly different conversation right now which is very related to everything nine inches four and a half inches eight inches nine no one's caught it yet this is fun this is like the stupidest game ever nope nobody's caught it yet i like that guy's comment i use the metric system i have no idea you know what tenacious you know thumbs up to you because you're awesome man you're a boss yeah you are definitely a boss christian moly is the big winner so uh christian i'm gonna go ahead and follow you on twitter please send me a direct message on twitter to claim your prize and i'll get you in touch with as always our windows 8 giveaway is sponsored by timmy tech tv so you can visit youtube.com slash timmy tech tv and uh he has generously donated i think a total of five copies of windows 8 for us to give away on these live streams thank you so much timmy that's awesome and how many so far we've done three four i have no idea we're gonna keep giving them away until he tells us to stop making him broke and giving away his copies of windows 8 um so i am five foot six inches and slick is six four six four so slick is ten inches taller than me that's why it always uh that's why it always hardcore breaks the uh the framing of any shot that we're both in like when he's been on netlinked weekly for example ip charger says he said 10 inches first i i didn't see it so that's sort of a problem uh i'll follow you wait we can we can check the log that's the great thing about twitter um so send me a message and we'll see if we can we'll see if we can sort it out if he's the winner then he's the winner and i apologize for uh for for ruining it for whatever else uh speaking of twitter unbox therapy is up here so uh unbox therapy is the one that i did the gaming peripheral giveaway with i haven't actually talked to him about doing the prize announcement so we'll have to do that very very soon uh will we ever utilize eight-way sli probably no time soon the drivers would just be a nightmare um i didn't know you were so small or slick so tall not that tall six four is pretty tall it's like i'm not even the second tallest person my group of friends mutant one of my best friends is six five and then one of my good buddies is like six seven when you don't shave you look like a sasquatch it's not even that bad you just don't really grow facial hair well no i oh you mean like why are you gonna take a cheap shot i'm not even talking you're fired damn it you guys see why i have to fire this guy all the time let's do a little bit more twitter q a how about the unofficial tech tips game servers how do i feel about them have you even heard about them no they're pretty cool and like okay i think he's absolutely one to set it up and it goes like linus tech tips dot com star all capitals unofficial star so they're not trying to like be sleazy about it they're very official very cool as long as they're officially unofficial as long as they're unofficial and it's just you know linus tech tips dot com forum members and they are getting together and playing some games that's great that's i it got it got brought up by a mod just to make sure that i knew about it he wasn't like i think this is a bad idea whatever right just so that i knew about it and then i checked it out and i was like okay well he put the big star unofficial star thing so we don't have to moderate it or anything it's just free roaming and i think it's cool that's cool um logan said he sent the skyrim mods yes he did so we have the full list of skyrim mods so we can pcify it the same way that he did uh okay there's a whole lot of uh there's a lot of people who are saying they said 10 inches fresh well it didn't show up on twitter so i don't know we'll have to just go back and check it out um okay so i think that's pretty much it for tonight good night everyone and thank you for thank you for bearing with us when we had again more technical difficulties we really thought that we finally had made it so that we started on time yeah and we're really bummed out that we were like half an hour late yeah we we started on time today we were we were filming and like talking and going through stuff for like half an hour yeah for late for people that just we even fist bumped at one point during that half an hour yeah like that's how that's how good of a con you guys missed it i mean we enjoyed it it was actually it was pretty right i enjoy your conversation sir it was good i'm not trying to make it awkward no i know and like it was that i do really enjoy your oh god it was the first time we talked about a lot of the things we talked about on the stream so i don't know oh well okay bye everyone