 And we're live welcome to the WAN show your weekly analysis and News and who am I kidding? We just goof around on Friday afternoons and for some reason you guys like to watch because you're weird like that I like to watch yeah, who doesn't? What are they doing? We've got a lot of great topics for you guys today, but rather than tell you about them I'm gonna pick all the most boring ones so that I can razz James about it in person I don't make the news man Okay this headline Weird case from Kickstarter that Linus likes okay first and foremost Just cuz I like something that doesn't make it weird I Like to watch I like to watch for example you like to watch too is it weird that if we both like it Well, no, I don't like this case. That's why it's weird. It's weird that you like it I Think I didn't get it. Maybe you can walk us through you can show everyone the case you can tell us why all right I don't think it's that weird. I think some of you guys okay I don't think all of you guys are gonna want to pay for it because That's a whole other matter, but I do think you guys will think it's pretty cool Uh what else we've got have we got for boring news this week scroll the bomb I usually put the boring stuff on the bottom. I don't know this is pretty boring Bluetooth hacked again. It's scary It's scary, but in like a boring way like Bluetooth has to be the most mundane boring thing on the face of the earth The name the boringness to cool name ratio is high though, okay? This is a pretty good name. Oh Facebook to open a new AI loud adventure. Oh Oh You like the Canadian stuff oh? Man oh Google Chrome lets you mute a site. Okay. That's pretty cool. Okay. That's pretty cool That one's at the very bottom you don't even know what good news is best for last best for that's not what you said Prove it. This is live, baby Okay, well there's an archive All right fine you pick two cool ones Okay, this is probably one that you normally wouldn't even read but it's possible that in the near future You might be able to charge your electric car in five minutes I Can charge my electric car in five minutes now you have one nice a little one like this? What else you got hit me again that was terrible there's gonna be a new GTX 1070, okay? You know what I think My attempts to read boring news are still more interesting than your attempts to read what you think is the best news This is where we have a disconnect James every week Linus puts in To the document before I get to it his picks of things that pop up out to him during the week They pop out he puts him to make sure they're in the show the top one this week the fact that the That the video card guy left AMD that is sort of a big deal He just went he's taking one quarter off. He's taking a long Christmas break. Yeah in January He's gonna be out for three months. Okay, okay? This is so over let me put let me put it this way. You know what fine We'll come back to this after the break first the intro Yes The answer that questions yes No, there's music right now. No they can hear us still they can it's just annoying Don't do that you're too new to the show to be annoying see Luke gets away with it I like to test the boundaries Do you like to watch other people test their boundaries Are we allowed to talk about stuff like this while we put the sponsor logos on the screen synergy? All right Okay You pick no we're going we're going right into the Radeon technologies group thing okay, so I'm gonna open up with I completely disagree with you, and then I'm gonna let you go ahead and make your argument Actually no, I'm gonna open up with what the actual news is so the original article here was actually from Yong Yong Kang posted it on the forum here. We'll go ahead and pull that up and Basically just said well. That's odd Raja, so you might remember him as the tiger in Aladdin the No You might remember him as the gentleman who dropped the RX 480 back when it launched that wasn't me I was just present. He was the one who dropped it. That's where you caught it from and He came back to AMD right around the time that they launched their Hawaii GPUs so that was the 290 X and the 290 and Vega has basically been his baby since then and He is going on a break until the end of q4 so the start of 2018 and Dr.. Lisa sue CEO of AMD so she's so he's been running Radeon technologies group which was split off from AMD proper, so they're going okay This is a CPU side This is the GPU side in an attempt to make it easier for the CPU side of things to work with folks like Nvidia and the GPU side of things to work with folks like Intel, okay? I'm starting to get this so Dr.. Sue is basically stepping in as now The boss and I don't I'll just say boss because I don't technically she was already the CEO of it So you can't get more boss than that, but she'll be more directly overseeing Radeon technologies group Blurring the line between these two companies in my mind anyway in a way and also What's it called when you go like this? Telegraphing sort of a telegraphing an attack you know oh, God. Yeah, so telegraphing sort of a in my mind potential shift in at least her thoughts for how important Raja is to RTG see I think you're reaching there, okay, all right make your make your argument So he don't let me stop you from making your argument But I know okay All right, so he worked really hard during bag up needless to say the guy was probably burning the midnight oil for months literally a couple years So he sent an internal email to the staff. Yeah, thanking everyone for their hard work highlighting how kick-ass the launch has been for epic and Well not epic but thread Ripper and rise in and all of it and Vega since that's his his baby so He thanked everyone for their hard work and then said quote Vega was personally hard on me as well And I used up a lot of family credits during this journey I decided to take a time off they can see it they can see I'm sharing them, but they like when I read stuff So it was tough on him He's taking some time off He's taking some time off. I don't think that's hard to understand so he asked Sue When he should take that when he should take time off and she suggested this last quarter I think he originally wanted to go off like in January, but there's more product launches then so they chose chose now So I think your theory about how her influence or presence is gonna muddy the water I don't think that really applies to the thing. It's a quiet time. She's not gonna have to make that many big decisions I don't think okay. I don't think there's ever a quiet time in the tech industry for one thing and Here's my counter argument to that If I told you that it was in any way acceptable For you to be off work for three months Unless there was I mean and here's the thing, you know, we don't know about his health or Or his family's health or you know, there may be personal factors at play So that may be part of why people are reading too much into this because they don't have all the information but all I can go based on is What I see in front of me and what I see in front of me is if I told you James That barring any kind of health issues or any kind of family emergency or the birth of a child It was cool for you to just not be at work for a few months How essential would you feel and how essential? Would I have to feel like you are to just be like? Yeah, that's cool. You know, actually, you know, it'd be great is if maybe for the next few months maybe we just didn't pay you and you just didn't come to work and then maybe after that you'll come back and You know like to me this feels more like a slow like out like a way to to quietly phase out Then it feels like a sabbatical. I could be totally wrong. I could be so far off the mark That it's not even funny Because a lot of what's in here on the face of it looks fairly credible You know, he's been working real hard and his family probably wants to see him and this has been a very long couple to few years of his life but So why no successor then? Because I don't think Raj is that simple To introduce a successor to and I think this few months gives them time to find somebody Okay, that's my tinfoil hat conspiracy theory and I would be singing a totally different song right now if Vega had absolutely kicked ass Is that Bixby talking to me No, not Bixby might have been Siri Bixby, but it's for me might have been Siri activating Maybe they're talking to each other. It was neither. Yeah. Yeah, that would be a great video Bixby would be eloquent. Siri just like Oh, wow, that would be an amazing video like getting them getting them going like seeing if they could start Activating each other like like that. I'm sorry. I don't understand. Could you repeat that like That like that prank call when you get one erotic hotline to talk to the other erotic hotline And then it takes them like 10 minutes to figure out like no you called me You never no i've never heard of that. Oh, that sounds great though if for someone who likes to watch I assume you like to listen you should look it up Pizza man versus pizza man like anything that does sound pretty good Okay, so then Tinfoil hat how many tinfoil hats out of ten am I doing it now? Are we doing a straw poll? Is that what you're saying? No. No, I want to hear from you. I actually do care what you think. Uh He'll be back He'll be back. I'm giving you A credible six a six. Okay Like it's not that far-fetched Okay, could be true, but i'm just erring on the side of not true. Okay. All right. All right. I can accept that Because I lied. I don't care what you think anyway I don't think good thoughts You only think good. No, I don't I don't think good don't think good thoughts All right, let's get into our next topic here my uh, you know, I got really next door is this i'm gonna have to oh Oh, doesn't everyone want to know? All right, we can talk about the iphones iPhones Wait Is this seriously all the okay? So there's a couple issues here number one is i'm working on my review of the 4k blade And i'm going to screen share you guys on something that i've never seen before This is just This is just my chrome right now This is not very usable Um, this is not very usable. Um, that's white privilege that's uh Yeah, that's not this is not very helpful. Um And and this this is the other issue. This is all the notes I get You watched the event. I don't you you know, I don't you know what you're gonna say I don't memorize every stupid thing. No, I need a summary. You have things to say you want to say them Um, this is new information. No, I don't remember how many megapixels every every camera They're all 12 all three or 12. They're still 12 that hasn't even changed. Okay. Well I didn't remember that so that's why you got me Well new luke I wasn't going to host the show with you. I was gonna host it with someone cool But then we ran out of time saying I am not cool. I'm like no. No, are you implying that i'm hot? What oh you're making me very uncomfortable right now Okay. Oh, okay. So this is interesting Um, do you are you familiar with this senator in particular you recognize that name al franken? Yes, he's the coolest senator. I think He's the guy that rakes people over the coals questions them hard questions And he's got some more Oh, this is this actually looks pretty good. Okay, so it's to do with um their face id, but anyway, let's let's talk about see Now I don't have a summary. I don't have like a okay next time. I do need the summary for stuff like this Just because I watched the live stream Doesn't mean I don't need the summary now I'm flying blind here. Okay, so let's talk general impressions Um, I don't know how many of you did tune into the live stream that we did during apple's event, but ed and I Actually streamed live the whole time to give you guys sort of a pc Apple fanboy perspective on all of the news that they announced um the watch looks Moderately interesting they are taking another step towards the direction that I didn't really want to see them go with the apple watch You mean independence cellular that kind of thing? I like it. Okay Uh see it's not that I don't like it. It's that I think it's a lower priority Then then always on display So Every generation they're cramming in more sensors this time. They're cramming in a sim cardless Sim so you can have a cellular connection without needing to actually put a sim card in it Which is really cool And I would be floored if we don't see the same technology in every phone moving forward at some point here And the thing that's messed about that is that's two devices running off the same sim card What is that never happens? Like you can make calls from the phone and then you've got your so no you still use so it's an Independent activation with the carrier so it has a sim card. It's just built into the PCB But it's the same phone number. Oh Wait, you know, I mean that I hadn't thought about that. That's really cool anyway, so Love the tech Love the idea of not having to take your phone with you or like even take it out all day If you don't do a ton of texting if you just need to like set yourself a reminder Take a call when people call you Actually, you can place calls from it. You can do a lot of stuff. I just I Hate that. We aren't making it a watch first before it's a computer on your wrist and I feel like every time they have an opportunity to throw a Marginally bigger battery in it or to to not put something extra in it throw a slightly more power efficient processor in it and Turn on always on display. They don't they just make it Why do you want that more advanced because I don't want to have to go like this Every time I want to know the time I want to be able to like just see what time it is You want to just look down without even having to turn their watch? Yeah, I mean you're you wear a watch watch right now Yeah, people can't see it. But like so let's say I'm like this Jesus You want to just be able to look at it. You don't even want to have to tweak it No, even that what if it what if it what's just the littlest tweak that's stupid. What if I'm okay, you know, okay Here's something. Yeah, but the other side of that coin is having it on all the time for no reason stupid No, it's not stupid. What if it was dimly on and okay tweaked it here? She would shine what let's say I didn't have a computer in front of me right now I'm sitting having a conversation with someone at a table. I want to know what time it is This phone with it's always on display Is a timepiece right there? boom convenient So convenient, I don't have to pick it up and go like this because really Here's the issue It does time almost No better than a phone. Okay, I have to do the exact same stupid Routine to check the time on my phone as I do on my watch and they're so concerned about making it call phones and browse the internet and track all of my Running and walking and swimming and jumping and breathing and heart rate that it they can't Like that's so reasonable for them to do that though because the biggest criticism with the watch is that it doesn't do anything So they want to put more things in it for it to do Is that even the biggest criticism of a watch? It is for me who is well, yeah, but you wear an analog watch you I would have created your own biggest complaint. Why don't you get a Casio calculator watch then if you want it to do something? But it's too small. You could take boobies on it You could take boobies on it. It's like this new Probably you could probably write noob list to Now there's no no and no and all right. Do I know numbers? I'd actually the secret so I don't even know how to tell time on this thing What's the secret? Are you watching watches? I don't know what this means. It's two lines down two lines down a clock I get to go home. Haha, haha, haha. There's a laege You know, okay, I'll confess that reading analog time is not my forte either I'm really slow at it like you're counting by five. I'm super slow at it Like I can obviously I can do it, but it it takes me. I mean, it's a form of muscle memory It's it's and you know what? It's funny because I think I'm probably not the only one Like you remember it wasn't that long ago, Windows had an analog clock when you clicked the, oh that's funny, we're in the way, there we go. Had an analog clock when you clicked the time in the bottom right corner. No thank you. Whereas now, they went digital with it because I think this is just a skill like driving manual that's fading from our collective. Well it's, you could learn as a toddler to read that way earlier than an analog watch, there's no secret to it. If you know what the number looks like, then you know how to say it, just say it out loud. Yes and no, I mean, okay no time is a little bit complicated for little kids. As someone who has a little kid and has, so. Are you mansplaining me? I used to be a little kid, I know how it goes. Dad's splaining. Okay. I'm just joking, go ahead please. The word mansplaining is banned from the LAN show as of this moment. Because there's two men talking so it's. No that's not why it's banned, it's banned because it's ridiculous. Okay so. See how you explained to me that it's ridiculous? Okay dad's splaining, dad's splaining's allowed. No it's not, and we're not all dads. So I was going through this with my son and he goes, I said okay we've gotta be at school or somewhere, I forget where I was talking about, but we've gotta be there at 8.50. And he goes oh okay, but we have half of the rest of the hour until nine or something like that. 10 base versus 12 base. Yeah he figured we were using a base 10 system for time and I kinda went oh no, okay actually not. So there are things about time that are complicated, even if you're looking at the numbers. But we're just talking about the reading of it. I feel like we've gotten off topic a little bit here. So bezel-less displays. The Apple Watch. We wanna talk about the Apple Watch K. I'm not excited about because it doesn't have an always on display and Apple can sell me another watch, like SOS with just your watch, it's pretty cool. Not needing to be able to get it at your phone or even have it with you, all cool stuff. But I'm not buying another one until they give me an always on display. Okay, all right. What's the next product that they had? What did I mean, did they update Safari or something? Let's just get to the meat and potatoes. No, no, no, hold on. Oh right, Apple's new headquarters. The design looks great. I thought the keynote from the Steve Jobs Theater was absolutely gorgeous. Also have you seen their new stores? The town center, town hall or what was it? Town center, okay. We're not, you know what, forget it. Let's just not talk about that. We're not gonna talk about that. We're not gonna talk about the iPhone at all. Let's talk about the new concept for Apple's retail store. And sorry, I almost called it a store. It's not a store, it's a town center. Because this is gonna be a place where people go to gather and teach each other and learn from each other and interact with each other. That's right, where they're actually Apple is bringing it full circle, okay. They took us from talking to each other like this to talking to each other like this when we're in the same room. That's not how you use a phone. And now they're bringing us back to talking like this about this. Are you sure they are? Yeah, that's what it's all about. It doesn't matter how many bezels are on it. We just wanna connect with each other and that, that is what Apple's enabling. That's malarkey. For the uninitiated, this is what's happening. They are at least internally calling their stores. The Apple store is now called. Oh man, Twitch chat's like, line of stop. The Apple town center. Line of stop. No stop. We're town square, town square, sorry. Whatever it's called. Okay, question the first. Do they expect the public to refer to them that way? I would say keep dreaming, but Apple people. Apple people, man, I mean. They'll do it, they're gonna do it. You can get them to call it a magic mouse. If you can get them to call something a magic mouse, then I think you can get them. I wanna see someone who has a bad experience at the Apple store be mad about it and still call it that way. So I went to the Apple town square today and the geniuses there totally suck. So they had to call the mayor cause he's the only one that knows what's going on. The mayor. I assume it goes all the way and the manager is called the mayor now. Maybe. And everyday zombie says, can you stop wansplaining right now? What a wanner. Okay, I like that. I like that. That's pretty good. The Apple town mayor. Mayor, yes. Okay, okay, fine. So that was your first question. The answer, honestly, I'm actually gonna go with no. I don't think anyone is gonna start calling it. Like you can get people to call it Apple store because that's what it is. It's a store where you buy apples. No, wait, it's not. They can do anything. Second question, are they gonna change the sign? Okay, so I actually didn't look that closely at the designs for these. But if I had to guess, like I don't even think here, hold on a second, Apple town square, here we go. Let's get some images up here because if I had to guess, I would say they probably would just have an Apple logo. That would be my guess. Yeah, so look, yeah, I think that's where we're- That's a rectangle. Okay, no, no, hold. Oh, shut up. I'm not even- If you stand in the corner, can you call it the Apple ramen? Yeah, it's like, see, this town square here just has like an Apple logo. This is clearly an exceptional example. That's outdoor. It's literally a plaza. No, that's like the idea though. But most Apple stores are in malls. That's true, but I think the idea behind some of these town squares is that they're actually acquiring, what was this building that they said? I think they said they bought some historic building in Italy or some crap, like this thing. They're gonna have their flagship stores. Yeah, see, but here, it doesn't say Apple store. It's just an Apple logo. But they are changing the design of the retail space to facilitate some kind of human interaction. Yeah, and they're planning to bring in actual experts on things, although they were saying that this new position they've created, like creative something, will be to creatives what the genius is to whatever. And I'm kinda like, well, if it's a genius, then. Like if we're creating an analog for geniuses, then my expectations are fairly low. Ouch. Apparently it was in France, but- Sizzler. Europe somewhere. Why don't we go with that? France. Okay, so what was your second question? I don't remember. We talked about the sign. Yeah. Are they actually expecting people to talk to each other in there? Because you go in there and you look at the Apple stuff that you wanna look at and you still don't talk to other humans who are just shopping in there. Well, here's a question, though. You're explaining, you're Apple shopper explaining right now because I don't think you've ever actually walked into an Apple store and bought something. Oh, except for that time that you wanted to get a red iPhone to make a video and I went to the mall and I was the one who bought that red iPhone and brought it back to the office. Yeah, but you didn't buy it. Okay, I didn't go through the shopping experience. You handed over company money to walk out of the store with something for company use. In and out in two minutes. Yes. So as someone who is not cult of Apple, can you really cult of Apple explain to people who are Apple shoppers? So normal cult of Apple people, they go in there, they rub shoulders, like a collective boner, giddiness about how sweet Apple is and they kind of like, they experience the process and they look up at each other's eyes and they're like, are you seeing this? This is so sick! Is that the idea here? I don't know, actually. I'm not much of an Apple shopper either. So you know what? We need someone to Apple explain us. Okay, all right, let's stop with the blue balls. We'll talk about the phone. iPhone 8, shockingly iterative to me. 7S. You can tell, I don't understand why they called it 8. The only reason that I can think of is that this is a gradual phase out of having, because right now they've got what? They've got the SE, which isn't numbered at all, right? Then they've got the iPhone number, then they've got the iPhone, we skipped a number and it's 10 now for some reason because 10th anniversary. And it's not a numeral. So if I had to guess, well, they called it 10 now. Yeah, but it's a Roman numeral 10. Yeah. It's not like a one zero. So it's clearly separate. So if I had to guess what they're doing is they are changing the lineup so that the regular numbers are just going to be the replacement for what an SE would have been. And we're gonna get no 8S, we're just gonna get a nine. And we're gonna be using that same body design that we've had since the six. We're gonna be using that kind of for a bit on the value option. Yeah, okay. And then that gives them one more generation to kind of get people used to this idea. And it buys them then two full years for OLED panels to get more reasonable so that they can bring the X, XI, and 12, whatever they're gonna call it. This more premium design so they can bring that into the kinds of price points that they want for their step down. So the whole lineup is gonna look like XI and then last gen X. So that'll be your top of the line and then your step down. And then you're gonna have the kind of the cheapo line is gonna be the nine and like the SE or something like that. Do you think they'll call it nine? I think maybe. Or they'll give it a new name just like SE was a new name. Yeah, or they might do away with numbers entirely. And so they might have like an SE and then like something else entirely. And basically I think they're starting over at X. Or. That line extension's huge though. Or get this. Before we go into our sponsor spots for the day, I have one more theory bomb to drop on you. Oh, what am I gonna do? You know how OS X has just been OS X forever? Yeah. What if this is just iPhone X forever? Because Apple is responsible for this naming BS that seems to have taken over the technology industry where they just call the product the same thing they did last year. And the fact that it is so confusing for consumers, don't worry about it. We're just gonna do it. What if it's just iPhone X? I don't think that's gonna be the case. Because on the iPhone, they still haven't done it. They still haven't gone. No, this is just the new Mac. They are the masters of making you want the newest thing every year. You don't need an X right now if you have a seven, but you fucking want one, don't you? Or do we drop F bombs in the line here? No, we don't. Sorry everyone. You want one though. You want one. Okay, but then why would they do that on the MacBook? Why would they do it on the MacBook Pro? Why do they just call it MacBook Pro every time? See, Apple TV. I don't know. But then they went and they broke the system. They called it the Apple TV 4K. See, I don't know what they're doing. I think they should just do years. We should all just do years. I like it. I like the MacBook 16. No, because what if you launch two products in a year? 16Q2, 16-2. Oh, no. Whatever. 16 and a half. That's worse. They do that with car model years. Don't stare. Blink, give them a blink, come on. I'll blink for you guys. 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Okay, I got it. All right, I gotta give you props for holding up that well to the Reaper jerky. It's worse now, it's worse now than it's been. I'm suffering now. It gets you. Oh, let me tell you, the suffering is what we've just begun. Oh, I'm aware. I have diarrhea every day, anyway. Can we talk about the Nvidia, the rumor that they're working on it? No, no, I'm not done with the iPhone 8 yet. Oh, God. Or we haven't even talked about the X, or X rather. I wanna talk about its bezel. Okay, so the 8 is super iterative, whatever, it's got slightly better kind of everything. The 10. I hate the speaker and face detection, face ID cutout thing. What's the speaker? That's that cutout at the top. Oh, that thing. I don't mind that. When you're watching videos on that, though? Come on. Have you seen, have you seen what it looks like when you're watching a video on it? Yeah, it's got like a little cutout. No, I don't mind it. It's horrible. I mean, I might get used to it really fast. In my review, I might be like, you know what? This is fine. It's totally cool, forget it. But I love Touch ID. I'm actually super, the opposite of stoked that we're getting rid of Touch ID. Agreed. Okay, I think that getting into, where's that article that you brought up? Thanks Bixby, Bixby's activated right now. Just trying to help. Where's that article that you brought up? Thanks Bixby. Bixby is activated right now that we're getting into where there's that article that you brought up. Thanks Bixby. Bixby is activated right now- Change password to James is the best. that we're getting into where there's worse that article that you brought up to. I remind you to give James a raise So working that you brought up time to give James raise Actually we need to unlock the phone big spees on my side. All right big spees with you Okay, so where's that? Okay, so aside from Okay, so they claim face ID is more secure, but Senator Al Franken has actually Questioned Apple about the security of their face ID and has raised some fairly interesting points here Namely so Apple has stated that all face print data will be stored locally on an individual's device as opposed to being sent to the cloud So is it currently possible either remotely or through physical access to the device for either Apple or a third party to extract and obtain? Usable face print data from the iPhone 10 Is there any foreseeable reason why Apple would decide to begin storing such data remotely? Apple has stated it used more than 1 billion images in developing the face ID algorithm Where did these 1 billion face images come from? That's less relevant to me. Really? You don't think that's interesting It could be but the answer could be very mundane. It could be shutter stock It could be just public images of face. Where would you get a billion images of faces? The internet Yeah, but then how would you guarantee that you have the rights to use it? Because the whole terms of service where you can collect non personally identifying information The thing that people like usually agree to is that it's not supposed to be personally identifying your face is by definition personally identifying What steps did Apple take to ensure its system was trained on a diverse set of faces in terms of race gender and age? How are they protecting its racial gender or age bias in face ID in the? Unveiling of the iPhone 10 Apple made numerous assurances about the accuracy and sophistication Please describe again all the steps that Apple didn't work to ensure that face ID can distinguish an individual's face from a photograph or mask For example, I would love to do that maybe like a death mask and then Like I don't know exactly how we do it. I would love to have a Linus mask. I We make one for the video, okay, no you can't have it no easy. Yeah, that is so weird Drop all if we made on where you watch You can say that okay if we had one of the store we have to draw the line somewhere How many people would be honest for Halloween? We all know I wasn't gonna stop saying weird sexual stuff, so Okay, at least that can go over somebody's head or is that plumbed or just half plumbed? Yeah, see The answer is yes, yes, I would it would enhance the experience Can Apple confirm that it has no plans to use face print data for any purpose other than the operation of face ID? These are all good questions The biggest one for me is is face ID really gonna be more convenient than touch ID and that's one that I'm having some trouble with because they did show they did show it operating Not directly staring at the phone, which is the biggest issue I have right now with iris ID by the time I like go like this And I swear probably a good 40 to 50 percent of the time I use it. I'm like That's ash you don't want playing around with it A lot of the time it would be faster for me to just keep key in a pen Because fingerprint unlock on the back of your device which you iPhone people aren't used to you can unlock that sucker while it's still in Your pocket and you're bringing to your face. It's already there So you're saying that they demonstrated this thing and it up to singles It can already be unlocking before it's even right they had it sitting on the desk like they were simulating the you know I'm being a rude jackass at dinner Experience where it was sitting on the desk right there. I'm gonna be the spicy one No, no, this is the this is the lame-o stuff. I've done the spicy one on stream before I've had enough Not to not today today's been a long week. I'll do it again, but you know I I just don't feel like it today so iPhone 10 what is there to say really I think one last comment is that the bezel thisness of this Samsung Galaxy s8 is Way better. What do you think? I'm not held attend having not held a 10 It's not bezel s it's just as thin bezels I agree With that said there are times when the infinity edge does interfere with me reaching across the screen I do have pretty small hands, but on the s8 in particular It's not nearly as bad as it is free on the note 8 and I can pretty much work with it I love the idea of the s8. I haven't touched an iPhone 10 yet But I really like this phone you can imagine a screen that looks like that and is curved and bezel-less like that Yeah, but the curved edge actually doesn't register touch at all. Yeah, like what if there was a not visible But haptic bezel a haptic bezel haptic. You know what I mean probably a matter of time I mean as soon as Apple sees someone else build some stupid weird squeeze engine. They're probably thinking wow That's like almost smart except if they'd done it with force touch or 3d touch Then it would be way better yoink booyah Yeah, I'm really surprised. I thought the 10 was gonna be a knockoff of the edge But maybe that was too far for Apple for even Apple. What do you think? mmm No, I wouldn't have expected that I I Honestly nothing about it really surprised me the only thing that surprised and or disappointed me was that we didn't end up with a touch ID sensor under the screen because if it had face ID and Touch ID through the screen, but is it because they failed to do it properly. That's the rumor Yeah, here another question for you. Samsung is a bottleneck on their kick-ass OLED displays. Mm-hmm Samsung is making their displays. I'm sure Apple claims that I'm sure in the keynote They said that this is the best display you can get on a phone Is it the case that Samsung also has those exact displays or is there an extra? Exclusivity clause that Apple has the rights to that display even though Samsung's one making it funny you bring that up the issue with Samsung's displays the thing that makes them not as good as Apple's is that Samsung intentionally Craps all over them. That's the issue. You mean to get other gains like they sacrifice something for something else Well, they they go bad. They go full best by crank the vividness Mode on Mode on it and it's something that I just I don't think there's any way they're gonna stop doing it Is that an Asian sensibility versus American sensibility? I? Don't know it's a it's a hard thing to yes It's a hard thing to say because especially given how much research all of these Multinationals do on the localization of a product for a given region. I would have to think that if it was something that you know Americans liked to have color accurate displays I would have to imagine that other phone makers would also tune the displays differently for different regions Okay, so this is interesting apparently Craig for Sorry apparently Craig Fidergi did Go on the record with TechCrunch Answering some burning questions about face ID, so I don't have time to read the whole thing but Basically Apple does not even have a way to give your your face ID to law enforcement They never take possession of the data anonymized or otherwise It's all in the secure enclave etc. Etc. Etc. Is it local? Yeah, yeah Nick's here. They've discussed a two-factor authentication So that you could actually force the phone to require both face ID and a pin You know when you burp up like a taste from earlier. I just basically had fired my valve for a second like like lava Just dragon dragon style just like just just a bad just lava. Do you need me for something? Two minutes to take a picture Wow So this is only your second time on Wanshow and you're gonna have to tackle a topic all on your own technically It's my third. Can you handle not screwing this up? Probably not probably not. Okay, you want to do the 1070 Ti? I'm pretty loose right now. All right, let's do it. All right, hit it. Where's the original article from? Dang it James. Damnit Bobby. Oh Well, okay, yeah tech power up dang it James Damn it Dale I don't know if you guys think you're the one Nick just did an awesome impression of the theme song to King of the Hill Yeah, I don't know if we're allowed to play that so it's just as well over YouTube and watch a 24-hour live stream But King of the Hill episodes worth it Yeah, we're not promoting piracy, okay, you are crossing so many lines James I'm kicking you off the Wanshow No, actually, I need you to cover for me on the way. So so here's the original Thank You Linus original article there on tech power up. I'll be right back. So the basic deal is the rumor has it that Nvidia is working on a new release of Probably my favorite Graphics card the GTX 1070 It's hit really hits a price performance sweet spot and there's gonna be a new one coming out We're not sure if they're gonna call it 1070 Ti or Ti or if it's just gonna be an unnamed refresh because that's what they've done in the past for example they did a Let me look at my notes There's a refresh in the past where instead of changing the name They just put on the branding on the box what the new specs are So the 1080 and the 1060 both were refreshed without name changes The GTX 1060 6gb for example is refreshed. So the reason that Nvidia I'm talking to nobody here And it just feels awkward. The reason that they're gonna do this refresh is because you come sit with me is because of Vega because the new RX Vega card sit right in between GTX 1070 and 1080s and so Since an Nvidia can they might as well just release a card that just sits right beside that Vega. Mm-hmm Now we're so close. I feel like we should chaos. Ah Yeah Linus, please things are getting weird on the land show. Oh Oh, man, okay What I go away for like literally two minutes Yeah, when Garth's alone and everything in Wayne's world falls apart the WAN show may not know that Linus hasn't really even seen Wayne's world I've seen Wayne's world, but you don't care about I've seen it once you can't quote a long time ago Then you haven't seen it. I know something about party time. Excellent a Lot of the time when we're writing scripts References that are shared between us are like the bottom that like the essence of the humor like the fact that we're both South Park fans Comes up a lot and I'm always going for Wayne's world references and he doesn't get them It's just like I just every time just melt It's not that funny. Ah It's basically an SNL skit Stretched out for way too long. Like if I recall correctly, the plot is just inane. Please go Tell me you also like the cable guy I bet Uh that one I haven't watched since childhood. Okay as a child when it came out. I Literally walked out of that movie Your parents where you going? Well, I was watching it with my grandma actually she was sleeping You just peace but going to the arcade grandma. See ya it was it was That bad and I know that I'm probably taking some flack in twitch chat right now, but cable guy was an awful awful movie Okay, well, what about the scene where they're at that medieval times restaurant and they're fighting he's doing that Star Trek theme song That's classic No next topic it's not funny not funny at all Why is everybody talking about Rick and Morty because it's probably saying it's better than South Park It's not better than South Park I mean Rick and Morty has a couple episodes where I feel like they've made some sort of like some sort of social commentary Approaching the depth of an average South Park episode. Hmm, but maybe social commentaries not the forte But maybe it's not but I mean, how do you so you're saying it's apples to oranges I'm saying it's totally apples to oranges I think they're compared because they have an overlapping fan base like types of people who like South Park are the types of people Who like Rick and Morty? Yeah, but I would say there's a lot of the types of people who like both of them that probably don't really get either of them word so Are you wandsplaining right now? No, I don't think so. I don't think I'm not insulting Rick and Morty. I I really like like Rick and Morty Rick and Morty. Yeah to watch it. No, I really like Rick and Morty I just I don't think it's comparable to South Park at all. I mean the other thing too is it's Basically in its infancy. I mean if you go back and look at season one of South Park Season one of Rick and Morty kind of stomps all over it season one of South Park is mostly Toilet humor. Yeah, whereas by the time they hit sort of season three to season Golden age for sure. Yep, six seven. I mean that stuff started to get really really good I mean Rick and Morty's only on their third season right now So and I thought honestly I thought the last episode was probably the best one of the series so far in terms of actually Having a meaning that's deeper than you know I'm I'm a silly scientist and I burp when I talk and you know scary stuff happens or whatever I thought the the episode with the Citadel I thought the episode sort of looking at life on the Citadel was really interesting. I it's it kind of You can kind of see that they weren't necessarily really expecting much in the way of continuity That's also something that I think the show both embraces and suffers from that they don't really care that much about the Citadel being explicitly described as the effort of a few thousand Rick's the first time that were introduced to it and Then being expanded a couple seasons later to basically being an entire society of Rick's and Morty's That's you know had all these struggles for so long. I guess also Oh Oops and how do you realize or do you care that okay? No, I don't I don't think anything I said is a spoiler. I won't and I won't give you guys any spoilers I mean nothing that I've said will not be obvious within about the first 30 seconds of the episode So you guys you guys are all good? But in my opinion, it's the best episode of the show so far Anyway carry on it's not pickle Rick pickle Rick is just kind of goofy like if you're if you're into Kind of silly humor then pickle Rick's a great episode, but it's one of my least favorite So why don't you tell us why in videos refreshing the 1070? Why didn't you just tell people why they're refreshing the 1070? Yeah, pretty much just as a response to begot. Do you think though that they're gonna call it tie or not? I wouldn't be surprised if they don't If they don't yeah, yeah I just it might just be like cuz they Yeah, cuz in the past they've done they've done it something that I'm refreshes. It's something. I really don't like it's something that I wish they wouldn't do It's something I really don't like it's something that I wish they wouldn't do But again, we have Apple to blame for all of this crap It all comes back to Apple just calling their product the same thing over and over and over So Yeah, I think the idea here is it's gonna Smash or at least be the same performance as Vega, but just with a lower TDP At a similar price point. So why wouldn't you get it? Yep? I think that I think that Nvidia could have easily just sat on their butts and done nothing about the Vega launch Because at this point, they're pretty much just printing money The R&D for Pascal is so paid for But if they do something then I mean, I guess great I mean that's that's what we want right we want competition to mean better graphics cards for all All right. Let's talk about some more AMD news Durbauer the d-lidding King is back He's back with more news. I got a little carried away there. I don't get so this is posted on the forum by Swatson And the original the original article is actually a video. So let's go ahead and fire that up Hey Roman, there you are, bud So he comes out and he's like hey AMD said that The two extra dies on threadripper were specifically dummies And it turns out that they are not just silicon spacers But they are disabled or at least non-functional zeppelin dies that do contain transistors Why would they lie about this? This is what I don't get Well, okay, so some people are speculating that it could mean that in the future there may be a 32 core threadripper Maybe they wanted to just delay that little rumor from coming out But it's taken until someone deleted it for us to speculate on that I could have speculated no no We've got as puzzled as you are like I've heard speculation about that going back to Computex before threadripper Even launched okay, and this is from people in the industry which always leaks So it always becomes something that's speculated outside the well do they explicitly say that there was no transistors in there Yeah, they just have a different definition of dummy than you do. Why wouldn't they just know they specifically said they were spacers Well, they are and that they weren't failed dies, but if we can see that they contain transistors Then Okay, what we don't necessarily know what we don't necessarily know is that they are Exactly so they did say no working transistors So that could know you know what no, there's there's no I don't really think there's any way around this as far as I can tell These are These are I don't I don't know I don't know what I don't know what they are I just what I don't understand is why they would come out and say something like that when they could have just said Yeah, they're failed ones Or they're the f-word inner product launch Yeah, but everyone everyone talks like everyone talks about the process of binning. I think it's fairly well understood within the kind of enthusiast community that Well Intel already slam this happens Intel already got to be Smarmy by saying Fred Ripper's glued together, so they could have said it's just a bunch of failed chips glued together Yeah, but Intel does the same thing and this is not tab Yeah But like it would it would come across really insincere be completely meaningless because everybody does it So are you confused or are you actually just kind of upset? Okay, so I'm just confused did they break your Chinese? Here we've got people saying warboy X says if the cores were enabled the CPU would have six or eight channel memory also No, it wouldn't because The socket and the motherboards wouldn't be wired up for it now It's possible that AMD was hope that what they were hoping to achieve was that nobody would run out and try to unlock cores But then they couldn't possibly have thought that no one at any point was gonna rip apart one of the dies Once a thread Ripper failed they couldn't possibly have thought that because it is really easy to tell like you can see it's visible To the naked eye if you okay if you look at the video of the 7700 K that we are 6700 K Whatever the chip that fell out of the vise when Burkle dropped it it broke apart you can clearly see like The the the cache and the cores like to it's visible to the naked eye that that's that that's a CPU die Once the top breaks off you're looking at me, but so they can think of right now is that my stomach is a cauldron They couldn't have possibly expected people to not look at it at some point so I don't know this just seems super dumb and It's up to us to get answers. Yeah, I mean maybe they just didn't want this is a good theory from also from warboy X Maybe they just didn't want people you know running thread Rippers and epic sockets or vice versa maybe they wanted to Separate their consumer slash prosumer from their server. I don't know. I don't know, but I'm I guess I'm over it I just don't understand why they wouldn't be straightforward about this because they have nothing to gain and their credibility to lose there and There's a lot of times okay when you run into stuff like this in the industry Where it just kind of goes why would you deceive us about this? No one could possibly care that you were doing it this way like the same way that everyone has made CPUs since basically the dawn of time and by that I mean the last few decades because that's as long as we've had CPUs Why not just say yeah, we're doing it that way same as usual usual unless you count the brain what? Bluetooth has been hacked. Oh, there's more interesting ones Really more interesting ones all right some attack vector Linux It's a scary hack though because your bluetooth adjusts be on and you can get hacked ios has been immune since 10 Google provided device manufacturers with a patch last month, but it's up to them to push it Well, it's up to the likes of Samsung to push it. Yeah, apparently there are literally billions of devices that are compromised Yeah, but they went this has been passed since July so Well on Windows, okay, we're not talking about that Well on Windows, okay, we're not talking about it All right fine, what else do you got for me? Wait, you want to talk about the hyperloop? No, it's boring Google offers free repairs to pixel owners affected by hurricane harvey. I know this is the opposite of what we were just talking I see this being abused. This is an opportunity. This is low-hanging fruit This is an opportunity for a company at google to get some kick-ass pr During a very hard time for lots of americans to say you know what guys free repairs If your phone that's not as waterproof as some phones on the market gets damaged in this hurricane crisis How many people are going to take them up on that not that many so that is some cheap good pr Yeah, we're talking about it Okay all right cheap good pr I don't know that this is going to be entirely good pr, but let's have a look at the element six This is open i'm willing to be convinced the craziest case That i've ever seen so this is an appearance prototype that non-functional prototype that looks like the final product Let's go ahead and uh skip back over here. Check this thing out I guess I don't like that. It looks like a car, but that's the idea It doesn't look enough like a car though. It looks like an abstract car Yeah, it doesn't look enough like a car though. It looks like an abstraction of a car No, no, no, no, no, because the finished one will be more like this Like it has a little grill on it Well, no, it's also got like cutouts for the windows and the windshield Like basically this is supposed to be Like the case that's unlike any other case they're trying to merge art and technology. Yes They're making a case that's carbon fiber. Yes that belongs on the desk of like the ceo All of that is awesome. I just disagree with the form factor. They chose being this particular car shape Why does it want to look like why it look like a car? It should just look like some kind of weird Form if anything you think so like a little carbon fiber blob or something So there there's kind of the best look that we have at What the finished finish will look like what the girls will look like This is done by the singularity computers guys. If it was anyone else then i'd be like Yeah, that's dumb. Forget it. Are they in australia? Uh, yeah But these guys know gorgeous gorgeous Work and these guys if there was anyone that I think would actually be able to build something like this And make it incredible these guys would be it. Why is that? Just because they have they have a long history of just building Amazing art pieces. They only got two backers though. So it seems like most people agree with you or at least most people with um Six thousand u.s. Dollars. That's what the pledge is that the minimum pledge. That's not the minimum pledge But that's the minimum pledge to get a case case I did the math they're looking for 148 000 us dollars Yeah, that will sell that will allow them to build 24 units. So that's like 6100 bucks each I mean obviously They had to get the expertise that to build the facility like there's people hours involved Yeah, but they already have it's not like they're gonna retail for six grand eventually. They just want to become a case manufacturer This will never be retail. They're gonna sell them on their site All right, how are they didn't you read my comprehensive show notes? No I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. You're allowed to give me shit about them poo Okay poo emoji about them So I don't know. I uh, I I think it's cool I don't I I okay. You know what? I actually don't have much of a defense for it So this was originally posted by north storm on the forum. I think it's cool. I think it's different I think it's something different Definitely and I think that it's good for the industry to see things that are different and I hope it succeeds I hope it succeeds too there. I do All right. This one. I'm not really sure what I want this puppy on my desk tonight. This thing's sweet This is another thing. I want to watch You want to watch I like to watch oh, ah ah Phillips ready the curved ultra wide 492 p8 display a 49 inch 32 by 9 so to be clear This is two of them stacked one on top of the other stacked one on top of the other because for some reason You would you would want to spend $2,200 to have one bezel rather than a cross of bezels Um when you could have done it for a fraction of the cost If I were to have just having four displays, I'd rather put them side by side and have this kick it No Okay as someone who's actually done ultra wide ifinity. I can tell you the experience is not as good as you might think It's like looking unpleasant looking up high Although that's probably only the same height as that last tall monitor we looked at. Yeah, probably But I don't like it. It's not too by nine. This thing is just bizarre Um, so the original article is from a non-tech there It's not quantum dot. There's no free sync too. The refresh rate is unknown. It's about a grand And the resolution is uh, oh of course you oh, no, there it is 3840 by 1080. What were you about to say? I was about to say that of course the same guy who didn't put any any of the specs of the new iphones Wouldn't put the resolution of a monitor, but you did 600 nits brightness is pretty high 5000 to one contrast I find kind of hard to believe in this is the that's what they always say our tests never have Anything close to that maybe a va panel Um set to launch in q2 of 2018. We have already confirmed. We are getting one Well, all this is to say you miss a crucial piece here So we've seen a super ultra wide already from samsung that got announced This is actually the same panel samsung is supplying the panel to phillips. Okay, it's just Samsung's is more gamery samsung's 144 hertz. We don't know the refresher to this one yet samsung's is quantum quantum dot and all these other expensive features This is the value one exactly So if you're not a gamer if you just want to look at the stock for working schmo who needs 49 inches of display. Yeah for your average joe who still has a thousand bucks, but not 1500 bucks This is it. All right fair now All right, so I think that pretty much does it for the wands show for this week. Thanks guys for tuning in Thanks, James for coming on for the last time and we will see you guys again next week same bat time same bat channel Can you at least go the rest of the show without dropping any f-bombs? Frank fairly ferdin gully firetruck. Oh, by the way the calendar we're making the calendar sexy time men of tech calendar No, come on No, come on You Come on crazy guy that monitor's not coming out till next summer by the way next summer. Yeah, no, this is q2 2018 Oh, I know but we're getting one Apparently the wands show twitch chat is terrible I really Don't know what does that mean? What do you mean by that? What this person was expecting? Oh, just someone posted on the forum. The wands show twitch chat is terrible about in what way? I don't know everyone thinks they're hilarious like it's a spammy. Yeah, I guess I did No