 mobile accomplishers welcome to the original show is the fortieth episode of the week of march eighteen we have eight one of news and we're jumping to it most active after no chit chat no uh... no fast and furious jokes i am dear bone and that's a lot and then see first and i'm pretty similar uh... you know i don't want to chat all talk to you guys and care much of lives are your personal feelings on anything ever i just want to talk about the galaxy s four because it's finally been announced in and insane and majestic show last week and we've seen it and it's big and uh... man i don't even know where to start then you're there yet yeah so i was there for that spectacle uh... the the broadway show if you will uh... instead of a product launch and uh... yeah i mean we uh... we covered a quite a bit on the site and uh... united a really interesting report where he talked to the behind the scenes people who actually produced it and uh... as far as precedence go i guess you could say it is uh... up there is one of the most memorable ones but uh... probably not for the best reasons you know it's a i i i said this before but like you know as as press uh... we kind of just want to go there we want to see the news you want to show the news and we wanted to be like wrapped up and we want to get our job done uh... and this was much more of a show then uh... an informative thing uh... so uh... is the creating for us but i guess if if samsung was trying to entertain people uh... it did do that to some extent it but it also managed to uh... uh... rob a lot of people the wrong way with the way that uh... some of the characters were portrayed in samsung's little vignettes so yeah i mean i guess boat let's just talk to the event before we get into you know the device itself i mean samsung with the the galaxy s series uh... always has this problem where it's primary set of differentiators is that massive slew of features that packs in on top of android and so we have a bunch of here but actually communicating that without having a you know a single sort of thesis statement or whatever uh... is difficult and so their angle that around narrative thank you their angle was to like trying put a broadway narrative on top of it by having all these little vignettes all these little stories uh... about the different ways of the features that they're adding in might be useful to your life and they had a lot of other problems are the idea for the broadway shows because they were having their men at radio city musical in new york city which is you know of world famous theater and it seems like six thousand people so that that was a role in the with the broadway you know now that's that's that's about uh... this uh... size of the the problem was in the army like i did this with his sort of behind the scenes look at how it came together is you know that people from broadway they put together a pretty edgy show and then it went through the standard corporate meat grinder of what's not offend any of our pickup potential customers audiences and what that ended up meeting was that uh... a lot of the stuff especially the portrayals of women came off his uh... let's be gentle say it came off as ham-handed well i mean this is the things that one is as you say these are the sort of pretty much as you show and that there are some remnants of it insofar as uh... the whatever the mc or the guy who's leading the whole show was saying our fake family and uh... such-and-such or that would be the case if he wasn't an actor and then they had a chinese actor who spoke in perfect uh... in a perfect american accent because he's a chinese american etc etc so there were all these little hints of self-awareness which hinted at that edgier show that the producers were coming up with but as you say putting it through the corporate uh... approval process probably softened and neutralized a lot of that self-satire i think uh... but that's one aspect of it the other is that companies like samsung i feel feel compelled to do these shows and i'm not sure that they really benefit from them all that much like okay people are giving publicity about it but frankly people are giving publicity to galaxy S4 whatever happens they were building it up before the event and they talked about it after the event and they mostly talked about the device itself well i mean they did get a crowd at times square to show up uh... and they also i think this is important they got apple to uh... trip over itself trying to do some you know call it defensive sort of you know pre-events making fun of samsung in a way that didn't really work out especially well for apple so i think that it's a big moment in terms of the apple versus samsung story and it's a big moment for uh... samsung itself because and and this gets to your story about it blad that it is that the S4 shows that samsung is confident enough to not try and you know reinvent the wheel every year they feel like they can put out something that matches their design language and sort of feels like an S3S and and do it which is something i don't think any any other android manufacturer has the confidence to do right now yeah i mean that's been kind of the theme samsung chasing apple and emulating apple uh... but we just finished up the other point about the the whole event structure and styling i don't think that pushing your product uh... doing things like a time square thing uh... investing heavily in marketing is a bad idea at all but i think these companies can actually stick to the old tried and trusted we're a tech company we're just going to do this techy way instead of trying to also delve into popular culture and try and be savvy and smart and all of those things because those things are really hard to achieve i think uh... the steve jobs keynotes uh... have set a really high standard insofar as demonstrating features by showing how it will be used i don't think that many people could do what he was able to do and i think apple ski you know it's a now is likely or as compelling as when he was doing them and forming them but everyone is still kind of trying to relate that style everyone is still trying to call for something really special for an event whereas people could or companies could actually rely on the strength of the product and to some extent like you just say it's something to do in that against his for because saying we've got the features of the components and we think our design is already good enough uh... now that's the debate will pop because and somebody already uh... said in the comments of the uh... what was your post in the site is uh... i can't wait for the part with a big place but plastic yes is just as best as it is a three and quite frankly he put it to side by side yes yes for is the biggest bias but it takes you want to recognize which is action than your advice that's it that's not that that was the striking thing that when i actually got it to touch the device and hold on to it is like a i mean if you if i was walking by a table and it was a galaxy s three and galaxy is for sitting next to each other just walking by and look at them i wouldn't really be able to tell the difference between the two that he was a look like they're exceptionally similar uh... and even as well i mentioned that the four has a larger screen but uh... samsung managed to make the rest of the phone smaller around the screen so there's there's even a minimize difference between the size of the devices so it's and i'm sure we're going to this more with the the the hardware itself but it they're strikingly similar as far as design and build quality goes so i i got a chance to play with one for just like five minutes at the uh... engadget expand conference and actually samsung have one of the design guys up on stage talking about him he specifically mention this plastic thing and it's the story you'd expect which is samsung cares about putting a removal battery and i think that's important and so uh... for them that means they know how to do that using a plastic back and so that's what they went with uh... and yeah it does feel plastic he and doesn't feel like super duper crazy premium but i will say that i think it does feel better than the s three i think that it i don't know if the mayor of the rail around the edges metal now or if it's still plastic but it feels way better than the rail did on the s three so i mean it's it i think it's it feel slightly better it doesn't look all that great in photos uh... but at the end of the day you know samsung believes in this you know plastic and they haven't really dot on the make it feel like awesome polycarbonate it you know if that bothers you you don't get the one i guess but it's uh... it's a trade-off and that's a trade-off that they went with well it's interesting that the plastic actually has a slight patterns texture look to it uh... that makes you think that it's almost going to have a texture feel but that's actually covered by uh... really thick sheen of gloss so when you see the back of the phone in photos you've got this like uh... uh... hatch thatchmark pattern or whatever that you see in photos but when you actually touch it it's just as smooth and slick as the galaxy s three so uh... i don't know why they didn't make it textured at all which i think would aid to error uh... and his equality feeling obviously you will be more to correct that's waiters well i think they're glossy grippers this grippy like their glossy thing like it doesn't slip out of your hand it just doesn't feel premium and any the idea of that goes to bed doesn't feel me with much confidence that would love it if i picked it up uh... but as i was just thinking about that they said to you some really nice patent backs and that's always like the liquid line uh... which you know actually budget and mid-range and low-end devices for the most part is what acer produces uh... so it's it's going to be like it's not that samsung can't afford it samsung definitely can afford to use high-grade plastics is just a choice really on the company's part they could make them matte they could make them textured uh... they could put a you know a pattern on the back uh... something that's grippier and that's a basic in the hand they're just not doing it but those are the same choices one thing i would say though is actually quite a bit of state when i read the galaxy is free years ago and i gave it uh... pre-hospital side and it was like and yet do you need to have your eyes examined you know where your lenses is a centrist uh... have you looked at the thing and doesn't want to keep making with respect to experience that as well which i gave a little school for design of most people expected because of the few that i think i think ergonomics is so much more important than looks because looks matter to you in the first week for several weeks but then just got started northern and just on the kids play itself so using the phone and that's when things like side mounted power button uh... samsung uh... was on the early adopters of rematches to give you a lot sizes uh... that's where the coverage of the back which kinda makes it look like it doesn't have a different shape where's the case for you to get this for you just don't have the you know the sharpness of the design that you have with the experience that but i still think that's in design of the so many want because it's just so much more comfortable to hope even as close as it's it's inspired by nature yes true the nature of your hands which is ironic we didn't we didn't hear any of that in by this year's presentation even though the software largely looks the same at the uh... hardware itself large you must have had some blitz so you know the water blue it definitely makes the water bloops uh... i don't think we heard in nobody nobody during the presentation commented that they had to go to the bathroom because of it so well i guess will talk about progress you know what i would also miss and and the gas is free launch last year they had uh... to be with the full course was it was that what they showed and yes and and and they showed the big winter by is that how one chorus blowing your head back into cause of pushy it's i'd be hundred and four courses for the gas free and this is a little bit and and i think you want to see more of these crazy made up in energies uh... two forms we like it but i guess we should talk about specs so uh... processors uh... justice with every phone uh... for the past couple years it's gonna have a different processor without the out you know outside the u.s. at samsung access five uh... than the u.s. from have the call comes after a six hundred yet to get around the country six million battery uh... of course we've got a uh... five inch display uh... today p is uh... super amoled uh... but i mean at that pixel resolution i like to think that people will not have a lot to complain about with the uh... pixel layout well it is that the the pentile layout is is he is what we would complain about i guess but yeah you're right you know that that resolution we're not gonna have uh... anything really visible unless you're using a magnifying glass to look for my only issue that i've always had with super amoled displays that always have a very blue cast compared to uh... lcd display so when we put it side by side with say they she's the one that always or at least last year with the one x vs the gals is three the one exit much truer colors then the sense and but if you are just looking at the sense of alone and not comparing it side by side that's something that you're less likely to notice yeah this is a bad group compared any phone against the c one because displays uh... so i will say that the nexus four display or the item flies display or whatever is not using a super amoled well also i think there are a new set of adjustments uh... on the new cases for so he gives you more granular control in terms of color temperature and things like that read this anyhow uh... and see myself so previously something had uh... a couple of settings display settings which let you uh... patone down the saturation which is usually over the top with sense of them in this place uh... but not nothing to give you more more granted control over what the display does uh... but besides that okay we we just run for the spec sheet and frankly it's an upgrade on pretty much everywhere but i don't see where those things is going to be merging the user experience like when you pick up the phone is that you think it's so much awesome gets its free i think that's what happened and then you had hands-on time with it how step is it it's fast i mean like i didn't i didn't really see like like there's certain phones that you pick up and you start using them in the instantly feels choppy need frame rate isn't as high or just as an answer spots and there was none of that with the the the s four but uh... you know in the last time he's got to three i don't remember really complaining about the former to be honest so uh... you know it it has no trouble pushing out the the pixels on the ten eighty p display that doesn't seem to be holding it back or anything the performance is very fluid and and andrea uh... snappy and fast uh... i didn't run any benchmarks on it in the time that i had it so i can speak to that but as far as from a perception user perception it it feels very quick fast yeah that's what's going on right now it's off the charts it just seems crazy fast yeah and and and and and and most high-end phones are like i don't have performance issues with them anymore like uh... when he's an excess for you know i i i've never once complained about the performance of speed or fluidness or or uh... uh... performance on the night to be a good thing about it yet no i think it's a good thing about other things but like you know i'm not saying with the iphone five there's no real issues there same with like a high end uh... windows phone for the most part uh... you know that lagginess and things like that are are kind of things that we talked about a couple of years ago or on lower end devices uh... so you know i don't expect it to be slow and didn't see it being slow you know it's going to be fast how much faster and you may notice that you may not i was also going to have a thirteen megapixel camera and i we talked about this with the htc one you know it's easy one to four and now samsung's going to thirteen and i'm really hoping that it's way better than the s three because the s three was just sort of a camera but uh... will see what they can do with thirteen megapixels i'm actually shocked that they went to thirteen megapixels you really need to write yeah i thought they would stay with eight megapixels and just improve the quality of a kind of like what apple did from the forest to the five uh... but you know we'll see when when we actually uh... see the the results of the images themselves i know that samsung is that's itself has said that people are complaining about the image quality on smartphones uh... cameras these days i guess uh... but i don't know who they're talking to because i complain about it all the time uh... but uh... so i i know that they and we'll talk about this with the the software features but they you know were more concerned with adding crazy software features that going in a crazy uh... hardware direction of the camera they had like you can take a picture of the front facing camera in the rear facing camera at the same time and put smash them together they added uh... an action motor someone's running you can get the whole series of them running with the first vote they got a thing where it can automatically get rid of like motion bombers by doing another first mode shot like there's just a ton of camera features that i don't know maybe people get out there's even one there's a there's a camera thing where it takes a still image and records like eight seconds of audio a little bit before you get the shutter a little bit after like in case you want to like have a picture and like a still image and then narrate it okay okay well i i think uh... again from an uninformed perspective uh... and an experienced perspective i think the most interesting thing is the ability to use the front and rear facing cameras at the same time i think that's available for the video uh... so the narration part i mean we don't do it enough i think taking notes we keep typing away instead of uh... you know like old-school twin peaks pick up the recorder and be like now what is this about and talk to yourself and then listen to yourself and then have these wonderful conversations with yourself before they come in you know take it away uh... but yeah i think these narrations and these uh... do camera things can be compelling and and this was to ourselves uh... because we don't have that many physical friends nearby to videotape all the time but the sense is demos of families you know we we the father actually showing up in the photos and videos instead of always being behind the camera i mean that's a i can i can relate to that i have a younger and and i i take pictures most of the time it's mostly my daughter my wife is supposed to you know uh... me it's it's never my wife and i because my daughter's fourteen months old so uh... that's a little much to ask of her at this point uh... but i mean i don't know if but i think that it's very weird uh... to take a picture of a scene or a couple of people and then like have the front camera capture your picture and then just jam that in there like that yeah i think i can go to the most of the time the picture of you is that the inside is like uh... i guess yes yet or like splitting is so that i think i would have but and senses is something else the i think that i was the sense when it provided photos as well yeah you can get a hardcover books made with your photos so they've part of the company that will you can place your right from your phone and then you pay for it and it gets shipped i think anywhere in the world uh... uh... you know these these hardcover bound books uh... which is just just for a minute and a thing which was that they brought in from the galaxy notes that the whole idea that you can take notes uh... on the back of photos right yeah i think so i think i think that it anyhow i mean act i just feel like yes and see is completely copper bombing us with these features but some of them in some circumstances of the some people can actually be compared to use like oftentimes that you found that uh... taking notes like essentially it's a digital version taking notes on the back of the photo we put the photo and they can taken over the back and i think those things can be useful you know a salad right you can you can write the ingredients of the back parents mostly correct see something that's how you sell that's right so yeah i mean it's copper bombing us with features but at the same time some of them can emerges useful i think the most difficult part of this is we because of this you know sure sheer feature overload is surfacing them to the end user like how do you how do you get the end user to realize that had all these features of their and it does all these things when all they want to do is without the phone to take a picture and share otherwise otherwise the features are completely invisible just like chris eagler on this podcast you're not going to have a good thing and i have a couple all i'm i'm very concerned about my my hardware today uh... i've i've had so many failures in the past twenty four hours in my microphone internet connection that i i i never know if i can be heard or not uh... but uh... yet that the galaxy s four uh... is not a particularly interesting device to me it's it's a is becoming uh... you know i i think that this annual cadence for samsung has become a a uh... uh... what sort of looking for its it's it's like a it's an expectation and it's a uh... it is a revenue driver but is not exciting device is not a device that anyone uh... looks forward to it hot hot anticipation it's a device that wins over consumers with raw uh... marketing muscle uh... and uh... i i i frankly have very little at that to this device i have nothing to say about it did something that i'm sure it's a very very solid phone is going to sell of course extraordinarily well uh... but i think that the the real innovation the meaningful innovation in this space right now is not coming from samsung and certainly not coming from this device the these uh... these features that they've had in this for parlor tricks nobody needs to be able to waive in front of their phone to change photos uh... i'd at my my thumb is not weak this is not so weak that i can't scroll page with it uh... so that the uh... i mean there is one of the one of these crazy features that i like and that's the that they took from the uh... the the note to the hover mode that you still do you do the stylist that you can instead of just tapping the screen you can hover over the screen have a pop-up stuff instead of actually directly acting on it that's kinda neat i could get into that if it were well supported i i thought it i tested out some of the the the motion features that that chris just mentioned the one where you're you tilt the phone to scroll up and down a web page uh... and actually actually kind of work uh... so i guess you know if you're if you're on a subway and you're reading a page and and you tilt it goes further without having to move it you you're less likely to maybe drop the device out of your hand i suppose that's a good thing it just struck me as really funny because that's uh... one of the things that uh... i remember sergi brin talking about when android was launched back in two thousand eight or much the public uh... as as something that he wanted his phone to do and then uh... in the book uh... in the plex by steve lee which goes really deep on google and and how uh... android among other things was developed inside of google they the engineers determine that it wasn't practical to do and here we are two thousand thirteen and since i just went ahead through the phone anyways uh... so i i found that amusing and then i also are tested the future where you are watching a video and it it looks to see that your eyes are on the video and then you if you get distracted or something like say there's a a gardener outside of your your your house taking shirt off and you look at the smart polls to to look at you look away from your video the video itself actually pauses uh... so that you don't miss your video while you're being distracted uh... and and i mean as chris mentioned that the total parlor trick it's it's it's not something that's really needed it's not difficult to just hit pause or rewind a video on on mobile devices these days uh... and it had about a uh... a second delay or so before it would cause men restart when i i looked back at it but i guess it worked as the as the it was sold to us well more to the point is actually going to be inconvenienced a lot of people because uh... so that's something like myself for example uh... you could have you for just playing a video and you could just listen to it as a background thing or is that uh... you know like a radio stream whatever you know you did there are police areas where you don't need to be looking at screen directly well i mean it's a feature you can turn on and off you have to dive into settings and you can enable it or disable it but now it's does the other thing that the the most of the couple gets his free into this on our just disabled usually i'm customizing things and cursing sense for me cc for not giving the option to make something's suit me with the galaxy is flying it's like stop it no don't do that stop talking to me thank accidently is that this is true accidentally made with this to back mode way read everything on the screen to me and in this now unpleasant you know uh... the tutorial voice and i just freak me out is not a very future yeah there is talk back in in stock standard entry well that's what i'm saying it fell into it and it was a map experience but he is a bit of cultural awareness for as a christ i have watched the video activity as that scenario exists and happens very often in korea we have attractive young women in the twenties doing some baking cooking and having the hands on and just covered with flour and only happens in parents and ourselves so it only happened at a commercial and and and somebody really important cause you know because the young independent women in their own their own businesses and they have to be called twenty four hours a day so many people in close and then pages wave their hand in the air for the phone and it works seamlessly i've watched the video well i'm just gonna pull this out of the that there might be a woman out there who needs to do this because uh... i find i'm in a situation all the time when i'm obsessing over uh... brewing some coffee and i'm making messes and i've got grinds everywhere and i need to either start the timer on my smartphone or answer a message or call and i have to touch the thing and it gets dirty filthy stuff like that so this happens to be a quite often i don't think sas and since waving gestures the answer to my problems uh... with for what i need to do man in the dishes are very different that that's always the thing i apple within apple does is it looks at things like gestures and says we're going to make this until it's mature enough to give them the full opportunity to set the timer is far and to have more of a comprehensive says where it's not so it looks at things like this is this is part what portion of this can we just jack into a phone and expand a feature this way and and that's where the complaints politics and they come from because these on fully fleshed out you can wave around a bit to go back and forth it could be around it scroll and then you can review much more else but i think it's it's going to be a very cohesive use experience altogether so there's also i are blaster which i put the same category of just throw features at it because you can there is one thing that uh... actually i do think is interesting and i don't know why it nobody's dot before and this as health stuff where they actually activate the downer in the summer under and you know couple other sensors after exactly what on the phone to track your health you know you're walking in your exercise like a fitbit or whatever and that's a summit should have been on phones from the beginning as soon as they created these things and and you know why you need to you know get a separate accessory to do some of this stuff kind of blows my mind if you can do it on the phone and so that's potentially interesting to me and then since it's actually selling a whole host yeah i'd extend that to with uh... uh... the wristband type of of things and other fitbit like uh... devices well since the insane is going to sell them let's remember the s couple yet they don't know that that one of them you might be there and you can tap into your galaxy s three to transfer uh... the one thing i guess so they they also said that they're gonna bring some s four software features to the s three uh... i mean if you are gals yes three you should not buy this like right up there's nothing here that uh... would make you desperately want the screens bigger uh... to be faster it's got a higher made pixel camera but the only thing that i could say is and then we'll have to wait and see until we actually do review on it is the battery significantly larger uh... so maybe the battery life is uh... something that's uh... you know really impressive with this uh... but we'll have to that will have to wait and see on that but it should be a nice guy that's gonna be balanced by the end what's up with the other secrets and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and i i i suspect that the hot the higher battery capacity is going to be counteracted by the uh... the higher resolution screen in india the faster processor but we'll see yet i could be i mean as as these new processors come out they get faster but they're supposed to get more efficient to write so it's a lot bigger was the one on the uh... as three there's like seventeen hundred or eighteen dollars more than that stuart one of the thousands and thousands we're already and so that is what is twenty six hundred so that you know this tax what this is a sense of galaxy nexus never held it on my face i had a sense of the better head-to-head uh... what the either way this is at least five hundred million power more so it's at least twenty percent or so uh... it that so just record i think this is like this and they delay on the rest of us and i think we should just do you call large to just interrupt the crap out of us it will just automatically stop because his input is so precious that's a little bit ever uh... not felt that way this is the talking this whole time and so what what's gonna happen is we're gonna stop podcast when we normally do but it's gonna go on for some bonus content for extra twenty minutes will be here in christensen saying that's pretty much like the eight twenty one hundred London and new york twenty one hundred twenty it's twenty one hundred okay so that the new one is five hundred million power more so slightly less than twenty percent for twenty five percent more the big jump it is a big jump yeah uh... so i'm i'm curious to see how that how that works out and they managed to make it thinner uh... samsung says the thin this is unprecedented though it is thicker than the iphone five uh... but uh... they did manage to make the the phone thinner wall packing in much larger battery into it so i guess that's pretty impressive yeah i was hearing about that because that's boring uh... interest in some activity this is what works with lots so as well as uh... nice new fangled hypersensitive touch screens like uh... the market in the nine twenty and other you know case so actually like that uh... particularly with the amount of glove wearing i've been doing with this seasonably cold weather i appreciate it for making work with us agreed yes i had to shovel four inches of snow off my driveway this morning so this morning about nice nice last day of winter but maybe if you like i send or norway or any part of canada you know that's that's what has been a step comes in as that's like number one feature i forget that you make a fix was in the number of course it was a good man so ok this phone is like it's iterative it's what we expected uh... it looks very proficient got a million features does the smartphone landscape uh... for android change with this phone or is it just gonna be the same as it seems like our sense is that that's the s four it's a lot like the s three and they're gonna mark the hell out of it and you know he she's trying to come back and we'll get into that in a little bit a minute here uh... but i don't see you know any huge opening uh... for another manufacturer right now because of this because it's perfectly proficient device uh... you know i don't see them falling down the where and i also don't see them like utterly crushing anybody you know at least not more than they already have well i guess the status quo i i i think i think samsung is a very good to the position to further extend its lead with the gusseis were maybe not uh... dramatically so it's not to be as dramatic of a shift as it was from two thousand one two thousand twelve uh... but you know every uh... carrier in the u s was very eager as soon as the s four was announced to to black stuff that will be carrying it and so you're gonna be able to get it on before major carriers and even on a couple regional carriers in the u s i'm sure it would not i think since it would be on a hunch at a hundred and fifty five countries uh... at law or it will be launched eventually a hundred fifty five countries are going to and he does think carriers of me those cases you but so either way that's a lot of uh... places that you can go by this phone is literally just could be carpet bombing the market with uh... with the galaxy s four uh... and it's going they say it's going to be available in april so you know you're not to be able to escape this device uh... samsung's marketing as we mentioned earlier is extensive and massive and it's going to be thrown on you in every which way as far as commercials and advertisements and things like that so i really think that uh... in the uh... since i took a seat that with this as far as the the s four but uh... it's probably going to pay off for them with the tens of millions of sales and you know furthering their lead uh... in the android landscape and and likely furthering it ahead of apple in as far as the general smartphone and just for an extra thought here uh... is is no longer just something so marketing does your thing since then has invested really heavily in that but it's built up in a channel and it's built up a man's momentum uh... to where like you say these are damn right about uh... the name is getting mixed up but like you're saying carriers or blasting blessing of the announcements uh... here you can use among carries was a coffin warehouse phones for you at those guys is the same we're gonna have it you can have a pre-order you can pre-register interest everybody's announced that but also accessory manufacturers are coming up with announcements as well uh... like and i'm not noticed any other phone launch before the gala c s four other than i phone which is where it was immediately followed by every accessory and that might have a trial most of them coming up and saying we've got uh... new cases we've got new trinkets extra batteries center for this particular device again i've seen any other and red device gone and that kind of attention and that kind of extra p r from sister makers and that that's that's actually been criticism that's been levied at and refer for a number of years that apples you know third-party ecosystem for accessories is always been much stronger you can always find the latest in best cases for your iPhone you could find all these like crazy cool trinkets and things like that you could play in your iPhone uh... and you know maybe that's sense that's not quite fully there yet with the galaxy s four but it's definitely getting closer to the to wear if you want an accessory for your phone and you have a galaxy s four there's a very good chance that you'll be able to find looking for that we can stop boring chris and getting involved in the conversation well chris might be excited about today's but if we're gonna say one more thing about samsung there was news today the sense that is working on a smart watch about and of course this is going to be chris chris's interests right break chris i still have very serious concerns about my leg here is and i am i calling conversation here you're here man okay uh... yeah i i i'm excited here that samsung's doing this of course they this is not there for as as our our our good friend sasha seaghan has been pointing out all day on twitter this is not samsung's first entry into the uh... into the market i mean a frankly they've been doing phone related smartwatches longer than just about anyone they they showed a gsm prototype uh... watch in what two thousand three or something uh... but uh... but yeah i mean we'll see what they can do i i i think that that this is going to be a really really exciting market for the next uh... twelve eighteen months of serving we see apple get involved in c google get involved samsung will get involved in you know uh... will i think the biggest question is ken the small players like pebble metal what survive and then and then the the other big question is will uh... apple and google be able to stay this market get abroad consumer base interested wearing a wristwatch again or or will will one of the bigger players just by one of the smaller players and i don't know if they need to i mean that the thing that makes a smartwatch right now is the phone supporting it with its software which neither and red or i was doing very well and uh... that'll be good to see a need to buy there's no expertise even a couple that apple or samsung desperately need i don't think uh... or metal watch remember and so there's another huge giant site smith change in uh... the smartphone space that we need to talking to him in my reference it yet and that is that indy rubin as left and right he is going to work on you know some moonshot somewhere and there handing and read over to send our pitch i who uh... has led a pro-westerner laps chrome and the big deal is a really huge thing i don't know what do you think i mean there's there's a lot of angles we can talk about it we just had a profile of river to go out today uh... we talked about some dark however as superman and i don't know if you're just jump in there and i can't i can't be on point all the time with perfectly place questions and thoughts and openings for you to speak i can tell you what i think that that means nothing for you you know i think it will be the same as far as uh... to its presence goes and the review since we've had two times a year send out the side streets may be one time he is a no change that uh... and was in the end of the issue of the business so much of a science is because i don't know i don't get the feeling that and the room was running android the way that let's say steven synopsis into running windows where he wanted control of everything and everything was going along to andy rubin's uh... did you know i can't think the opposite account i kind of disagree with you i can't think that uh... there was a bunch of stuff uh... where uh... you know and read was sort of not fully as fully integrated with the rest of the world as it could be i think that i think just think of the fact that we see chrome get on androids away late in the game measure issue and you know you can carry on with your facts and uh... reality as much as you like but it doesn't stop me from talking at my imagination now that that i mean you have a new student who whose presence and influence at least using the faces before very strongly since he's been there i also feel like androids so critical so central to go to the world strategy that uh... larry page who will see you con have just given andy rubin such totalitarian control so i don't necessarily feel that androids is going to uh... deviating from his current trajectory like if you really needed that big of a change i think uh... larry page or somebody else would have is treated already andy rubin being there or not uh... i mean the interesting thing with ribbon is what sort of project is he going to have you know you know what is this thing that he's going off to you he has been fired so that like he's left to go in fish or whatever with family and i mean yeah let's be clear like this is a assignment and it is failing i think it might just be about room in a net rubens strength everybody seems to be saying that rubin is really good at starting things up and no breaking making you know building uses when making something happen and then that you know now that it's happened uh... he wants to do that again and uh... and scenarios coming into the picture now now he's really interesting because like he has just been rocking and rolling i mean say what you will look from a lesson its adoption not done that she that she you know laptop to promote a selling super well and amazon still uh... they just released the pixel which yeah nobody should by it because it's way too expensive but it's amazing feed of hard-wired nearing google apps have been doing just fine uh... both on the web and on our last and you know android uh... so like he's been executing an executing well across lots of different parts of google so uh... he's kind of like a key cast rates me as a a golden boy although income appoint golden man golden child not much of a share of it is made a goal is not set made maybe that's what it is that is a very simple case of and the room being suited to being the guy who initiates projects and he said he's suited to managing projects and just running that would be images so no one guys better management the other guys better it uh... getting things off the ground and who just reposition them and that's it and that's what it is that's kind of boring and exciting so chris and asking question and i'm i'm letting you know that i'm asking question well advanced you can prepare yourself and start speaking before i just finished speaking about five seconds do you think this is a big change or are you very kind of like it i think that uh... it's a combination of things for part of it is that i i think that uh... that is a natural progression of putting android into cruise control which is what you would do by saying that and he is good at starting things up and senders is good at at you know uh... keeping things running maybe uh... and and that that could very well be be a part of it uh... but also think that uh... also think that that andy uh... can be an abrasive personality uh... to put it in a politically correct way and uh... it's in you know we will probably never know the the full story of what's happening here but i think that it's entirely possible that he wrote someone the wrong way uh... or the the wrong series of people the wrong way uh... and it it it finally came to a head and they needed to put him into a different role where he was and as prominent in the company and uh... and needless to say nobody really knows if you if you read uh... it in jeffrey's excellent profile and reuben that's up on the site they'll know that we still don't really know exactly what reuben is going to be doing in the company and it's it's possible that the wolf simply hasn't figured that out yet they just want to have out of that leadership role and he's often something else now well i i deeply regret asking you to to speak christ because your microphone supports the effort that's good news and you can ask you so that's good since it's it's it's a google it's uh... yeah he sounds like an android almost you might say uh... sorry that was terrible terrible thing uh... so you know i think that's an yet i mean you know i was talking about the wide-awaited throughout the snow we are continuing i've i've lost things okay whatever then i'm going to reflect his actions from books for mailbox which to me is a really significant thing uh... because i did and and once they did it i decided to get in line so here i am i'm in line and like three hundred ninety four thousand something something three depressing that's it joe and reports by mailbox is really interesting to me because i really love dropbox every level of those guys have done and how reliable and how cut yet just reliable as the key thing we want to focus is doing uh... injuries is just kind of clean and untreated so then coming together with the mailbox guys because they're really was custom a book somebody has issues of forces or paragon uh... but dropbox can straighten those things out and just become like this extra ecosystem that you could jump to so you don't always have to be looking to words apple google microsoft center that we really exciting fun well it's it's interesting that you know dropbox is very good at at cloud storage in cloud computing and things like that and uh... where my mailboxes struggle in a lot of people's eyes is in that exact area uh... and that's why they've they have that's four hundred thousand long waiting list and things like that because uh... they need to scale their cloud servers up to uh... support all the users and there's actually uh... couple weeks ago uh... there was a number of downtime or number times where the the service was down and you just literally couldn't could get your email from it so uh... having dropbox behind them certainly very likely improve those uh... things well it's also interesting from dropbox's perspective is a company that's you know moving probably get uh... an i p o become a public company let's be really clear like what dropbox does is something that if they don't maintain a leadership position and maybe branch out something that can become commoditized really quickly they provide cloud storage and and sinking well guess what google's offering that basically for free uh... microsoft is there's box dot net their sugar sink there's a million of these services and dropbox needs to one make sure that they're ahead in terms of app integration they already are they've got great a p eyes and lots and lots of developers use dropbox uh... into they need to make sure that like they have a reason for existing beyond that just in case you know these other services might take off because you know it's kind of a commodity service at this point so they need to push for us so i think them purchasing mailbox is really interesting in terms of what kind of services is dropbox thinking about offering directly that will serve justify its existence when google microsoft are offering apple course like a little let's not talk about i thought too much because that's embarrassing travel uh... offering similar identical virtually identical services that uh... some some cases or cost that's that's why that uh... person to me and also the date of the river and but that people a small for sharing company or for the other within the event when they've been acquiring all kinds of different services that can use their cloud services and but provide of music service or photo sharing service are now even email service so it's uh... like you mentioned uh... whether it is almost like they're building an ecosystem now which would be nice to talk to us and i have and i have dropped off from the things that dropbox and it's a little bit of a lot of actors one last thing i want to talk about with the other google rubin and the chisels corruption nononon it's so this i runs from us and we also have android ls and uh... you know it seems kind of like the the they should combine these things somehow maybe we can expect and read apps running and pro-loss is a first step uh... maybe we could see more of the way the chrome was handles apps uh... maybe you know it's infrastructure you know running directly off linux could apply to and right i mean not to type of yeah not to put too fine a point on it i mean and it isn't exactly the most efficient an awesome operating system out there it's got all that gets got you know couple layers stuff uh... it's never really felt all that web native so there's there's definitely ways that enter can improve especially if it's gonna you know move out of being useful on more than just phones and if it's you know can start you know working when you scrolls to stuttering a lot problems mostly so i mean do you guys think that the mercy these two operating systems merge right here theater i'm gonna well first of all is the uh... is my audio any better my ass please i hope it's not good uh... the direct i mean after fault you for uh... for trying to slip in uh... the fact that and read it with native and and just passed off like like you know that that's a big fault and that's something that we shall be upset about but i think it's a major fall for google because google you know makes more money off of stuff on the web than they do off of native apps on android if they and you know that's the whole point of course that's what they believe the future should look like and were nowhere near yet but they're trying to actually treat that future right now with the pixel and so if if google thinks that they can actually pull off something that you know integrates the rest of the stuff that google actually makes money on into android and make that more native of course i want to do it i'm not saying it's great i mean but even as androids right now a lot of the it google is other services on all benefit from the fact that androids is even if androids and directly make google money you know maps are improved by all of the androids is that are out there running around with maps on their phone uh... it the company's uh... can harvest all kinds of voice data information from google voice it can harvest all kinds of data information from gmail things like that so integration and let's let's not forget at my and my as a major generator of revenue for google and and i think that the wrong but i think it's most widely deployed at network in androids so yeah i think that the the level of monetization they get off of that pales in comparison to what they got off of search standard earlier i'm sure yeah yeah no notice for you there and i mean let's face it like google uh... google knows that people are looking at windows eight and going right like if they could go in and like the new microsoft if they if they really put their mind to it they've got all the pieces they just runs since that windows eight google still has this massive for most of its in the fact that doesn't have a pretty great i think that the rest so it right and really double down and it is back when it was that went down now it's a uh... what was it you made me that's was happening is andre just kind of thought too many times on the server uh... the other thing is when is a is of as far as Microsoft goes windows eight is the most dramatic transition uh... yes they can't do a desktop mode uh... but that they're just moving into i mean for Microsoft being as conservative as conservative as it is as business-centric uh... and as business dependent for its profits is windows eight represents a massive change and the fact is they haven't gotten it right completely but by next iteration by uh... you know things that windows blue which are going to iterate quicker and faster and upgrade and introduce new features faster you can kind of see a roadmap developing an ideal case scenario where Microsoft really nails it and gets things right and polishes off its OS so it might as well as a foundation for really compelling tablet OS Google really doesn't yeah like Jeff Gordon from HCC he tweeted this and it was a brilliant point in the mobile smartphone version of chrome you can just swipe away tabs you don't want it's really natural and intuitive and easy to use chrome on an android tablet you have to press the particular X which essentially is so small it's like a click for a mouse it isn't anywhere near as intuitive or as fluid as a smartphone experience that's just like a microcosm of how frustrating android can be on a tablet because it has no tablet specialization uh... so yes i do think there's going to be a lot of cross pollination between chrome OS and android uh... we've seen evidence of Google now coming to chrome OS uh... a notification center or notifications at least so it might well be the case that Google is preparing chrome OS to be its tablet OS and to grow up to be its tablet OS because it sees more potential there than with android itself yeah i completely 100% agree and i hope that that happens the question is how quickly can it happen and how well can they pull it off because they really haven't had other than the Nexus 7 which i think was a limited success their iPads eating their lunch and the Nexus 7 is running the smartphone version of android anyway it doesn't have a landscape mode that's disturbing to me no it does now yeah there is a... yeah that was at 4.1.2 or something like that one of those point point updates edit a landscape mode but what's also interesting is not only is apple eating google's launch with the iPad Amazon's eating it with the Kindle Fire too using a heavily modified version of android that doesn't do google any good so and let's talk about this class of 7 inch devices like you know they're sort of entertainment stuff you don't do quote real work on it uh... they're doing that on a PC or a laptop or a full-size tablet uh... and google has no i mean the Nexus 10 is great it's beautiful i think it's a lovely device and if i have a choice between that and an iPad i'll use an iPad every time uh... they need they need to close that gap and they need to do it quickly because you know the future of computers is you know not what we were buying two years ago it is you know a tablet and you have a keyboard attached it's something like the surface you know it's something like the iPad it's something like the Nexus 10 whatever uh... and google doesn't have enough skin in that game and they need to well if google has the investment it just uh... you know things will be flopping fortunately for google uh... they've tried and they've tried and they keep trying uh... i guess ChromeVosage is the longer longer term strategy something that they can look forward to at least but to the point about 7 inch tablets that's my kitchen entertainment unit you know that's my radio that's my streaming device that's uh... and that's why it was so freaking annoying that they didn't have a landscape mode so every time I wanna I mean I'm basically an addict to the BBC iCloud right uh... and every time I want to stream something from there download something I have to turn the tablet because I don't have the latest update which has a landscape mode I have to turn the Nexus 7 to portrait and then get into it and dig in get to the thing I want to play and then put it back into landscape and put it down and also this thing needs a freaking stand because right now I'm kind of perching it right next to you yeah it's finally available again yeah you can buy the dock uh... well let's talk about HTC because uh... you know we obviously reviewed the one but they can't seem to get the damn thing in stores as quickly as they need to Wall Street Journal had a report that uh... the suppliers no longer consider HTC to be a tier one customer which i totally believe uh... we've seen you know shipment delays they were originally targeting late March some markets are gonna see it in uh... April now uh... and whatever bump they were hoping to get by getting on store shelves ahead of the Galaxy S4 is rapidly dwindling yeah like this is not a really great super solid start for them I would just like to correct the Wall Street Journal report to have my own exclusive sources uh... and I can actually disclose that uh... the boom sound feature on the HTC One was certified as being dangerous to human health and they've had to completely modify the design and put in hardware modifications to soften the freakish loudness of that thing I mean honestly like half of the volume that you can reach on the HTC One is well it distorts, it's not that great and it's kind of superfluous well I mean maybe it's superfluous but if it gets louder than say like my Nexus 4 which I constantly am annoyed at the fact that the speakers on the back of the phone and firing away from me when I'm holding the device and I have to cut my hand around it and it never gets loud enough when I'm watching a video or something like that uh... I think it's awesome that the speakers are on the front of the One and that they're they're blasting right at me and I think that that's a like we talked about the the the lack of innovation on Samsung's Galaxy S4 that is like one of the things that comes to my mind is like HTC saw a problem and they resolved it or at least made an attempt to resolve it by putting the speakers on the front of the device which is a very like kind of like a no brainer thing maybe it's there's some really hard engineering that's required to make that happen but HTC did it and yet you know Samsung went a generation without really doing anything different so I actually dread people Google talking me now because the One like shatters all my windows and I'm bleeding from my ears like it is freakishly loud it is scary loud like if you if you've always if you're the kind of person that has always complained that the loudspeakers on the phones are too quiet there is only one phone for you in twenty thirteen and that is i was on that is the one the that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's completely unintentional but it is the fact that they called it the one i think that they they took a digit from from mathematics and then use it for the name of their devices nothing i can do about that now if i'm if i'm if i'm the count i'm suing you know but seriously and that's my trademark one to every time i can see is that someone but i had for the record i was also be facetious about the news and i i do think it's a it's it's an added uh... bonus and feature rated the rest competition is just very freakish loud and it's it's well i mean it just so that we're going to go back on topic here with the the actual story we're talking about how did the one is the latest interesting to note a couple of things in this report uh... one uh... it's the lady mentioned as being uh... related to the camera parts which is really quite interesting because the camera is something that he cc is like touting and it's it's uh... one of the major features of the phone and it's one of the custom feature for this fall so it's interesting that that's actually what's hold might be holding back from shells and then the other thing was uh... this other uh... mention that uh... if the one that doesn't succeed uh... it peter chow he sees currency oas of the whole step down from his position which is kind of insane to think that's as long as i've known uh... and followed a cc peter chow has been uh... c e also uh... that would be a quite a quite a shift for the company should that uh... you know i mean and and and we've been saying that the one was make or break for each cc in a bunch of people in like now here it's not the stakes are that high what's wrong with you cut it out now look peter chow himself like this doesn't take off i'd it's right for me to step down like states are super high for them on this phone but but let me let me say that i think that i mean yes i i totally agree with that but uh... i still think that from a management perspective it's mistake to by pre announce that you will step down you know if if a particular product is successful i'd like it it it it puts everybody in a weird headspace it's not a i i don't think that's the right thing well great crisis uh... it's not the classic and uh... in most of us like if you hit the backboard when you school you have to call class before the ball hits the backboard goes in so people know it was intentional so repeat the child was a is in the same thing just in corporate terms so he's saying i'm putting it all in the line and what you guys know that we all in line for me actually succeed and he collects his due credits uh... after the one succeeds we're getting it so there is there is one potentially pieces potentially good news uh... so if we don't all things the had this uh... report that you're from sources that the one was in fact going to come to verizon contrary to everything you know we had heard that was the other big fear taking it and then they she see like you know didn't really say anything and then he sees twitter account we did that the one is not going to rise but if you see the drug vietnam and that we did that we can give us another story saying uh... yeah look it's coming i've heard it'll be late but it's definitely coming to horizon so that's good news i mean there's no a verizon's can actually push marketing on it but you know being available on all four me there's in the u.s. is of super duper important thing for us to see whenever whenever it actually gets there today if the horizon is not that is going to call it the drone uh... yes that yes it's culturally relevant it's a pun is that everything uh... did just two points to know what uh... which is the twenty fourteen model by the way i promise you something uh... it's a camera and it is the to that risk on itself because the camera in the issue one is custom made for each to see by the wire which almost likely so many uh... and and this is the like this this religious one fabrication facility and they're just making those chips uh... those sensors for a cc you have one flow with it you have no call back because it's custom it's it's a risk of the company to call this one spec for but uh... also and they think it about this for awhile now about a cc's uh... financial situation and the ways can be going downhill for the past i don't know you have a whatever revered to use them and the thing that struck me is that uh... when this fall seven was introduced each sense of the two biggest endorses and decay we need to see this place it came with the biggest hardware investment they they had the most devices the nine devices free for them or from htc was crazy while the speakers that speakers that i bought that wow yes i did well the year-round surround yet okay and that htc had one uh... the landscape slider with a hardware keyboard and and they didn't want to aluminum for u k business and that everything for windows or so and he was heavily in that uh... and what what actually and and this is a coincidence i'm not suggesting causation i'm just pointing out correlation ever since when the sponsor was introduced which is kind of the peak of the htc's powers and growth things are going downhill for the company and one thing that i've noticed with windows phone is that licensing costs are significantly higher than with android uh... you know people for example uh... well one of the smaller chinese companies well actually it's a giant chinese company but smaller in smartphone market terms uh... was saying how they couldn't do what they can do with uh... prepaid android phones with windows phone just because the minimum licensing fee with windows phone is so high so they had to pitch their windows phones to contract customers rather than prepaid customers uh... so there may be a theory that you know htc kind of over stretched itself with windows phone overspent and didn't see the same returns they might expect that anybody might also be a case that we can maybe argument that he sees precious own resources uh... which obviously did we'd like the design team spending time with the spawning test when the spotty tax given the unique designs most recently uh... whereas those reasonable reasons for the ball being pulled into its and red efforts and that nobody can say if station spent hundreds and it's time and read it would be also says what's the name of the so it is a good example of but it's successful what the folks at andre uh... but it's just like interesting alternative well we've been going for over an hour uh... we have to talk about the mobile uh... they uh... i've got an event coming up uh... where they're gonna probably announced their own carrier plans uh... don't think that were likely to see the iphone stuff details are maybe and uh... they've got l t launching this month with the galaxy not to is going to take advantage right away presumably yes for well when it comes out uh... and then the biggest news is the f c c has approved their move proposed merger with metro pcs uh... so it's not undone deal yet but it's for all intents and purposes i think it might as well be and i chris's or wrote a explain article that sort of tells us exactly what this merger means you want to get into that a little bit yeah uh... i i mean that that the bottom line is that that i i can spell this out the peace but i think that this is the closest thing to a win-win win uh... that were ever going to see in our lifetimes in the u.s. wireless industry notice ever lifetimes period and regardless of context but yes i think that ever happen to any of us ever for for for by the end of the day it's it's it's kind of freaky and uncanny how good this seems to be from all sides that the one pieces of bad and unfortunate news is that um... there will be a layoffs uh... at at both companies it's not a bowl at as with virtually any merger uh... but in terms of uh... t mobile's ability to compete with the big guys and in terms of its spectrum portfolio in terms of its building a raw l t e in a more effect manner uh... this is just brown we good news and of course t mobile still small enough so that it doesn't raise any uh... you know it doesn't raise any sort of competitive concern versus eighteen team bryson uh... and i think it's very telling that uh... public interest group public knowledge which follows this stuff very closely is endorsing the deal and and they they kind of did it back and way they're like you know it's it's it's unfortunate that we live in a world where uh... we've got a merger is a good thing in this business but that we do and this is a good merger and uh... and you should be happy about that uh... and i i i think that's that's kind of the case uh... i think that for people who are on t mobile and for people who are on that ricketts yes they're gonna find that this is very good news in terms of their ability to get out the faster uh... and and for people who are anti mobile i considering the value proposition that t mobile offers versus uh... larger carriers it's it really gives you a pause as to whether user guys uh... that you should seriously considering know that i have on my primary phones currently t t uh... and ever since they've they've rolled out uh... contract free unlimited data uh... it's it's been it's been a daily fight uh... an internal struggle for me not to move t mobile because it's units it's a good deal but you know they still they still struggle with spectrum certain key areas uh... new york uh... in particular i've heard many complaints from new yorkers about you know uh... failed calls and and what not i think that metro pcs is really gonna help boost their their own their uh... portfolio in in those places so this is good news can we just have like a team wide policy for the entire virgin box team for everybody to just switch t mobile and support the good guys i'm seriously considering you know just switching on on moral grounds but it turns out that you know i need to use my phone uh... hand i mean i don't know but i i need to i've got a i think about the more you need to see what the situation is like out here again because what it's good it's great especially there is just the a stuff uh... and so they can if they can actually pull up the doing us of this before then yeah totally willing to switch away from the t t because the worst man uh... as bad as uh... as eighteen t is uh... at t mobile is is almost non-existent so yeah i'm not going to stick with the t t for now so chris when are we when can we expect like actual real world customer like effects of this merger like is it like am i gonna we're gonna see all hey they bought a few pcs and the very next day boom they've got a bunch of l t and signals great in the race that's not happen right well they are so uh... in terms of the the road map for integrating metro pcs customers that still kind of up in the air they've committed to decommissioning metro pcs is cdm a network by twenty fifty i think uh... and you know obviously they're going to do what they need to do to get people who go over uh... today just be an l t networks but uh... uh... they are in fact we we wrote a story on this uh... they they have committed uh... to rolling out uh... the initial t markets this month and there are only what eleven days or something left in the month twelve days so uh... we're gonna start to see this l t return on really really quickly uh... and they're gonna start with the markets uh... where they've reformed their nineteen hundred uh... from edge to u m t s and they have been initially did that to to bring on the you know to make the iphone the unlike that on a more appealing proposition and i think they have a total of maybe forty five or fifty markets where they've done that so far are including any large ones uh... so those are going to be the first markets where uh... l t is is possible because a w s is opened up uh... for those l t year waves uh... so it'll be very interesting to see which of the first markets to go live in we were initially expecting uh... this was back in january when you're at c yes we heard rumors spark by none other than team alone ct o that uh... that uh... las vegas would go live they usually wanted to be live in time for for c yes that didn't happen but then it's not like we have a good at the end of january that never happened uh... but now this is finally gonna happen and they've already started rolling out this from work day to the note to us that those people to feel a take advantage right away cms trucking is uh... of those conversation is not of the highest relevance to the european audience essentially probably even less relevant to ru people in the u s and having heard what they had to say because we we took a market for a token big cities right so the first who's been a fit for this role out i'm going to people who already have a t options from horizon eighty-eight uh... progress print uh... and see mobile is just going to be catching up on those fronts is kind of disappointing that you guys don't have more of a controlling states in government it is from the carriers and just so that okay these guys have l t leaving with a t t to suffer and to be yet so this is the whole whatever going to be of the guys because not everybody's in cities and i think you're at home we can address i mean the other thing is the guys who are out of the countryside probably need empty a lot more well i thought i could say to for a sense credit that uh... between its initial role out of the seven hundred megahertz l t and then is follow-up with its a w s spectrum uh... using l t e that it plans have ninety percent of the population covered with l t e by the and of twenty fourteen so uh... all of the carriers and i know he t t as well is is moving full force into getting their customers are their coverage maps off of the three g services and onto l t e so i mean for eyes and is is way ahead of the enterprise and sister far ahead uh... but i mean they they are all all trying to get there i guess you could say when it comes to you uh... so we've got a whole bunch of stuff we want to talk about c tens going on sale horizon march twenty eighth their new excitement also videos who was the thing ever uh... whatever uh... blackberries talking on d is that time and arms are a little bit and did not i will see i mean i don't know that's and say that it's that's pretend to be excited about this book well well i don't know that the day before that bruh uh... verizon and uh... or the day of that rising announced pre-orders uh... blackberry and i'm said it sold one million z tends to aids uh... spitter a uh... mystery customer i guess you could say cuz they would not say who it was x's uh... by the way a exclusive scoop i know that the that mystery customer uh... was it was a michael as a redis uh... no i i heard it first folks so uh... so actually we should talk about uh... via the provocative comments yet made by torsten heinz yesterday uh... regarding uh... apples uh... five you quote unquote five-year-old user interface and while he does have uh... appoints infected or wrote about it at the launch of the iphone five uh... i don't think i mean he is literally the attempt to comedy arm wrote about this yesterday and i were talking about this and and what what i told him is that uh... you know kinds of literally just now walking he's in like the foyer of the glass house and he's like standing on the front lawn yes yes he's trying to leave the glass house and he's getting some resistance the weather isn't very nice outside uh... and everybody's got all these rocks and he can't wait to throw them and literally he's just inches outside this this class house of his and and he's in serious danger of hitting the house so yeah yeah it's and you know if i i i get that that he he feels i'm sure that he feels cornered he feels the need to be both defensive and offensive uh... and uh... you know it's it's just it i'm i can't imagine that he didn't know that this is going to generate some some backlash and some some humorous internet humor on the fact that that remit room should be the one to talk about an aging u uh... i get you know he he listed his big mistake from the start was to refrain from making such comments because now and this is rain well the company formerly known as friend factory uh... when it announces that ten at the day of the event it's you can't uh... what what it's units it's you can't start your pain marketing chief disempowered use uh... and also those in himself was it was doing some interviews and they'll be lost the question what hasn't worked out why is blackberry for the most of the times what about the i thought and they just refused to answer those questions and uh... it was just kind of here is train wreck watching that your european marketing chief over those interviews they would ask him what went wrong in the past you just refused to answer and the trouble is when the company's being so conservative and just refusing to do any trash talk the first time something that even kind of he's in the evening of trash talk it was a hint of trash talk or competitive language whatever everybody's up in a is like oh here it is he shows a fight shows the is that you said was in the end if you was uh... something like the media c l goes on stage with biking jackets and uh... you know as orange skin from cool or the fake tanning that he does and just says was free just a instant and i can't find a dozen is that confirmed as he takes care not sure it's a real with him he he he he goes to the freaking equates as a guest and i don't know the man is eccentric that's the point if you have this personality somebody's going to say crazy things and say something uh... controversial people might know you might just let us live but we told him he's been straight for so long that the ones and he freaking comments of the i thought i think it's going to be really reasonable uh... like it is point about history repeats itself is uh... we suffered because we didn't change for a long time apple might do the same if it doesn't change right i think a reasonable comments if they rational they justifiable comments but now everybody's picking up on them and just kind of a lot of people blowing them out of proportion as far as i'm concerned well a lot of people seem to be focusing on under the other half that statement where he says that the iphone's interfaces is five years old which is it's technically six well i mean i just mean it is which is it just a factual statement but but it is that the heat generated this is what you need to understand stating about the people state facts uh... speed affects regard for like our twenty years or anything else is just really want to hit the we want to talk about anything else here from our i'm going to check the features and i'm i'm very happy and said at the same time the genealogy and update just why you said by so that if you didn't hear that you can now what you hear your it and archive functions on in gmail all the time and you can only have one or the other in the notification so that's that's a bummer right there the other bummer is you cannot market email is read from the notification you can't are guided directly from the rotation but it's still marked on red uh... in your gmail account and that's totally fine that's totally fine like i use the search operators for unread emails all the time uh... and and that would be just screw me up all over the place why doesn't it if i'm or got the white is the market is right issues thank you it's a mission but uh... also your complaint is invalid at the the andrew and gmail is so far ahead of anything else for handling and triage and i mean this this notification thing my god nobody has 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