 So just, you know, be aware that I'm broadcasting, it's fine, you can keep doing what you're doing. Terran apparently thinks building LEGO crap at work is work or whatever. LEGO, LEGO-BOT, you know, brain hurricane or whatever it is. See, I knew it, he can't resist it, he has to correct me. Even though he knows, like he absolutely knows on every possible level that I'm doing it on purpose, he can't resist. He has to correct me. So, wait, sorry, hold on a second. Is LEGO Mindstorm related to Mechano? See, he did it again. Mechano. Was that on purpose that time? Yeah, of course. Okay. And he's leaving. Hey, and you guys are coming on board. Welcome to the WAN Show. It's going to be me and Jon here today. We're going to be telling you about what's new in tech. We're going to be trolling Terran. And it'll be up to you guys to decide which of those things is better and or more important. And of course, you're here to find out why exactly it is that we're late today. Okay, so I would love to tell you about that, but I went and I left it, I left it over there. Well, whatever. I was working on a video. Actually, yeah, Pella, do you mind grabbing that green and black video card that's kind of next to the inventory station? Sweet. Pella's going to bring it over for us. Oh, you haven't been introduced to Pella. He's kind of shy. I don't know if he's actually going to want to be on camera, but he works here. He does. He does. Sometimes. Sometimes. Sometimes. Sometimes. So he works here. I've got people saying my pupils are huge. It could be all of the drugs that I took. It's not that easy to get amped up for WAN Show. How could they tell that your pupils are huge? The camera is not that high res. I mean, yay. Thank you. All right. So this is what I was working on. A $5,000 graphics card finding out just what makes it special. So it's a Quadro M6000. And there's a lot of there's a lot of discussion about these because they're very hard to get your hands on unless you have $5,000 that you want to trade for one of these. So I've seen people saying things all the way from Quadros can't run games to that Quadros run games better. Neither of which are true. Well, there's only one way to find out. And that's watching the episode of Holy She-ite. That's going to be coming pretty soon. Maybe I wrong. Stay tuned to find out. Yeah. Now, some of you are probably kind of sitting here going, really? Was that more important than starting the show on time? And the answer is normally no. Normally, that would not be more important than starting the show on time. But we ran into a bit of a production snafu. One of the videos that was supposed to go out this weekend on Vessel. The B-roll wasn't done. And then Brandon's out of office on a forced vacation right now. Seriously, the guy wouldn't take his time off. I know. So he has, let's see, seven weeks to take all of his time off because he hasn't booked off any. And Q4 is a blackout zone. And so Yvonne actually just assigned him days. And she was just like, you're not coming into the office on these days. Is he going anywhere or is he just kind of hanging out and just not being here? I suspect he's like sitting at home dreaming of work. Probably. That's my best guess. He's probably looking at camera gear. Yeah, he's probably like researching crap that he can hang in the lighting grid or whatever the case may be. All right, so let's get this show on the road. And that begins with, of course, after the excuses, the intro. Roll it. Wow, it's so nice having the stream work properly. The only thing that doesn't work properly is me being here on time. So you guys should just skip the intro and do the excuses. No, I already did the excuses. That's the whole point. All right, let's jump right into what I personally consider to be the big news this week. So the original article here is from WCCF Tech. When I saw this, I pretty much went bananas. Look at that. AMD Zen Engineering Sample benchmarks leak out. The Summit Ridge CPU is apparently faster than the Intel Core i5-4670 in the whatever it is. Yes, Ashes of the Singularity benchmark program. Yes, my friends, I just covered for a weird grammatical slip up by pretending that the pauses were intentional. It was very convincing. That's a pro tip, by the way. I didn't get away with it, did I? When I have your job, one day I'll keep that in mind. Okay, all right. Well, show up on time and work hard. And other thing. Yes, then profit. Question mark, then profit. Okay, so let's talk about this a little bit. First of all, yes, I know the source is WCCF Tech. Bit of a rumor mill, but sometimes they do hit on things. Bit of a rumor mill. I mean, it's one of those things where if you mill enough rumors, eventually you will end up with a loaf of truth. I was just about to say loaf of truth bread. Bread in my mind. Perfect. Perfect. See, we got synergy today. All right. And there are things that you can consider. There are things that you can do to sort of vet a particular rumor. So one of them is you can kind of go, okay, what's the evidence? So the evidence here is not a leak from AMD. It's a leak from a benchmark database. So that can be credible or it can be non-credible because some benchmarks, it's just a matter of like editing a text string somewhere. And you can make a product show up as though it is something else. Whereas other benchmarks, especially ones where the publisher in particular wouldn't really have any reason to act like it's something that it's not, this can be an excellent way of figuring out that, yes, that is indeed pretty credible. So, for example, a leaked CPU-Z screenshot, maybe I wouldn't put too much stock in it. Can you validate on CPU-Z? A validated CPU-Z screenshot where the processor ID shows up as Intel Engineering Sample, whatever, whatever code name. Usually those are pretty credible. Okay. Number two is timing. Timing is huge. So AMD is figuring, like the old quote, if I recall correctly, you'll have to forgive me. AMD has changed the story a number of times on this. But the old quote was that they would ship Zen in late 2016. We are now getting towards, well, we're well into the second half of 2016. However, they did say that it slipped and should be shipping sometime in early 2017. The timing for this leak is perfect. Because don't imagine for a second that a motherboard maker, remember, this is a new CPU and a new chipset. This isn't a microcode update for existing motherboards and chipsets. Yeah, because it's been like, what, five years? That would make no sense at this point. Exactly. We are getting a new socket, socket AM4. We are getting a new chipset with support for DDR4, finally, support for PCI Express 3.0, finally. I mean, AMD has shipped multiple generations of graphics cards that support PCI Express technology that their CPUs and motherboards do not. And even if you aren't, even if you're running like sort of a middle of the road or even a high end GPU that's not going to saturate a PCIe 2 lane, it also means you can't take advantage of like the new storage options as well as running an older PCIe revision. That's right. So basically, the timing is pretty good. Don't imagine for a second that motherboard makers don't have some of the first working silicon in their labs so they can start to make sure that their motherboards work because AMD, again, this is a new platform. AMD cannot launch a CPU until the motherboards are not only completed in the design stage of things, but are actually tested and validated, mass produced, packaged and shipped. Otherwise, you might as well just hang the CPUs on your Christmas tree. With that said, it's kind of a funny thing. AMD has done that before. They have launched CPUs before the motherboards were available. Back to retail? Yeah, yeah. I don't remember which one it was, but basically it wasn't a huge delay. It was like a couple of days, but like the CPUs were in stock. You could build some pipe that way, I guess, almost like pre-ordering a game. I guess so. Pre-ordering a game, except it's a game that you also need to buy like a special controller for, and then you have to pay shipping on the order separately. So like Guitar Hero, but to another degree. Yeah, just ordering like a Guitar Hero like disk library and then not having the plastic guitar yet. Exactly, exactly. Okay. So basically what I'm trying to say, oh yeah, so consideration number three is what kind of performance we're seeing out of it. An early leak that indicates that Zen at $200 is going to crap all over the 6950X is probably designed by some AMD fanboy somewhere who wants people to be hyped up about AMD. It doesn't have much credibility, whereas this rumor looks pretty solid. So let's get through this. Blah, blah, blah. Okay, so the benchmarks, so first of all, and this is another important disclaimer, the benchmarks are of an engineering sample and may not be entirely representative of the retail product. With that said, the product development timelines on things like CPUs are so long that if motherboard manufacturers, and presumably that's where this ultimately came from at some point, but if motherboard manufacturers or anyone else who has their hands on motherboards and CPUs has silicon that they're actually using to validate anything, it's probably pretty far along. Like there are sometimes very early chips that are clocked much, much lower than the eventual retail ones end up being, but that's earlier on in the development process where there's still time to like tape it out again, for example. I don't think AMD is looking at if they're going to be launching the chip sometime in the next three to six months. Actually, okay, maybe, but that would be very tight. Like I don't think we're going to see anything that's dramatically different from what's here. Maybe some tweaked clock speeds, maybe this is a lower end skew, hard to say. It was tested with an unnamed motherboard and an RX 480 graphics card, and the 1080p average frame rates and ashes of the singularity showed 58 FPS for the Zen Engineering sample compared to 65.4 on an Intel Core i7 4790 and 52.6 on a 4670K. So it's currently clocked at 2.8 GHz base, 3.2 GHz boost, and the benchmarks have since been pulled down by the source. So AMD Zen, are you still hyped? Well, I mean, okay, so I feel like the benchmark results are probably so AOTS is it CPU bound at all? I feel like it might be. Yeah, there's some CPU. Yeah, so we have a chip that's like on like a 14 nanometer process, and I know there's like a lot more to it than just the transistor size, but it's what Intel is currently using as well. So it's been such a long time since 2011, since we got anything new from them in terms of architecture. So it's also been completely redesigned by the team that was led by Jim Keller, who has actually since moved on to Tesla, which is sort of a shame, although AMD says that the groundwork has been laid for not only Zen, but improvements upon Zen over the next couple of years, though my concern then, if I were, say, for example, an AMD investor or an AMD fan would be, well, gee, isn't that exactly what happened with the Athlon 64? Jim Keller led the team that designed it and you iterated on it after he left, and then just kind of kept iterating on it after he left. And that was sort of all we had for the next, I don't know, 10 years. But sorry, let's get this straw poll up. So I just posted a straw poll, are you guys still amped for Zen? Let's see the results here. Boom. 45% of you saying yes, with 9% of you saying no, and 45% of you saying you never were. So basically, in a nutshell, this has not really dampened the spirits of anyone who was legitimately excited about Zen in the first place. And you know what? I am actually in the same camp on this, because I don't need AMD to come back Athlon 64 style and take the performance crown. That is actually not what we need at all, because at the performance crown level is not where Intel has been stagnant. You look back at the last three or four generations, they've given us the 3960X, the first six core consumer. But they gave us a six core consumer, the generation after that. They gave us a six core consumer for a little over half the price of the previous one, and a faster six core on the 4960X. The year after that, they bumped the core count, and they drove pricing of six cores. No, wait, no, that 5820 was still a, hold on. Yeah, 5820K was still a six core, if I recall correctly, right? It just has fewer PCI lanes than some of the other ones do. That's right, 28 PCI express lanes versus 40. So, at the enthusiast level, we got an eight core, we still got a cheaper six core, and we got an even cheaper six core, but with fewer PCI lanes, which quite frankly for consumers is completely irrelevant. You can quote me on that. Especially these days with the SLI limitations. That's right. And even in the previous days when the SLI wasn't limited, but you shouldn't have been doing it anyway. Yeah, it's still scaled horribly, so just why? Exactly. And then in the latest generation, we got a 10 core at the top range, which is sort of more of a moving the bar of the top range, and less of delivering us a 10 core for what used to be an eight core. With a price to match, yeah. Yeah, exactly. But then we still get eight and six cores for, and I think in particular, the 6800K is a pretty compelling skew on the enthusiast platform. You get six cores, really high clock speeds, and you get overclocking, and there. Okay, it was the same thing that we said in our review, I think, I think it's because the retail is like what 350 somewhere that ballpark. It's a little higher, I think. So it's not ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, it's doable. It's not a thousand dollars. Yeah. $1700. It's not completely outlandish. Yeah. So actually at the performance crown end of things, Intel hasn't been sitting on ass to quite the same degree. With that said, what they have done is they have ramped up pricing in the performance crown Halo tier. And the reason you can ramp up pricing of your Halo tier products is not necessarily because there isn't a competitor who's also releasing Halo tier products at a lower price. In fact, if they both had Halo tier products, you can bet that they would both be selling a CPUs for a thousand dollars a pop. In fact, it's happened. Everyone likes to treat AMD like they're these like good guys, champions of, you know, cheap CPUs for consumers. They are not. It's about strategy. Like what market segment are you going to target? That's right. You go back far enough. AMD introduced the thousand dollar enthusiast processor. They started this thing and people forget that. So that's not the problem. The problem is that Intel has the luxury of holding not only the performance crown, but also the mainstream enthusiast segment where AMD is only really competing in the very low end range with their APU's and in the desperate AMD fanboy range with their FX CPUs. That's all AMD really has. So because Intel is not putting any pressure on their enthusiast processors by continuing to sell us quad cores for an entire decade. An entire decade Intel has said quad core is enough for the mainstream. And you know what? They're probably right. But that isn't the point of what I'm saying. The point is they are not giving us the other stuff because they don't have to because the only one putting pressure on the enthusiast making us do a cost per performance per core value calculation on the Intel. And they're going, yeah, that's how much a six core costs. Because if you want to spend less, all you can get to quad core and you can argue till you're blue in the face about AMD's six cores and eight cores. But let's get real. Performance matters. How many cores you write on the side of the box doesn't matter. And Intel's eight cores have nothing to do or rather AMD's eight cores have nothing to do with Intel's eight cores. They're not they're not the same thing. Yeah, they're not even comparable in terms of like single threaded and all that. So no, they're not. Yeah, they're just yeah, it's not even it's not even a conversation. So am I amped for Zen knowing that Zen is not necessarily going to go toe to toe with the 6700K? That's not the point of Zen. Absolutely. I'm amped. Exactly. If Zen gives us great performance at 200 bucks, then mission accomplished. AMD will have effectively dramatically increase their average selling price if they can move a bunch of new generation FX, whatever it is, they end up calling them FX Zen CPUs. I actually don't know what the branding is going to be for them. But if they can move a whacked into those, it'll drive up AMD's ASP's. That's their average sell price. It will improve AMD's profitability, give them money to spend on R&D, which they have been sorely lacking and maybe give them a shot to come back with another punch after Zen that really puts some pressure on Intel. In the meantime, giving people who want to buy a high performance value computer a legitimate option because after the $200 mark, even like closer to 230 bucks, diminishing returns. Yeah. Intel really starts to lock you down. They kind of go, OK, yeah, we're going to really start to ramp down clock speed. I actually did a lot of analysis on Intel's lineup for a video that I worked on recently called Which Intel CPU Should I Buy? Don't worry, there will be an AMD follow up, but I'm waiting for Zen because right now the answer is a cheap APU if you want a cheap machine that runs an APU. So I did a lot of research and you start to get into dual course really quickly down at the bottom of Intel's lineup. And the reality of it is when it comes to cost of the silicon, there is no real reason that Intel should still be shipping a dual core, at least not over $100. So I would love for Zen to bring the fight to Intel in that mainstream segment in a real meaningful way, in much the same way that RX480 has been a smash hit at the $200 to $250 price point, even though AMD doesn't have an answer for anything above that. It's a very similar strategy, you know, because RX480 is not designed, they're not targeting like the GTX 1080, they're targeting the middle of the market. And it looks like they're going to be doing the same thing with Zen, which makes a lot of sense. I think people are kind of tired of being quote unquote trapped in Intel's ecosystem because if you want like a modern CPU, they're kind of your only option. And in addition to paying like a sort of extra, you know, Intel tax, if you will, just like you were talking about. Yeah, and I mean, there's more to modern than just the CPU because I would even make the argument that, you know, you could buy used Intel hardware, you could go grab a 3770K, overclock that. It's still a really good processor. Great processor. And, you know, if you want to go back to the enthusiast platform ones, assuming you can find a board, and I talk about this in my What CPU Should I Buy video, but assuming you can find a board, you can go back to something like a 3960X. You can get those on Amazon for like 180, 200 bucks. I saw them used. Yeah. And I haven't checked out eBay lately, but like, yeah, you can get like a 6 core for pretty good value, overclock the snot out of that thing. The problem is the platform. So you're going to be missing a lot of USB 3 ports. You're going to be missing USB 3.1 10 gigabit for sure. You're going to be missing M.2. You're going to be missing things that require BIOS level support, even though the hardware is there. So something like an NVMe SSD that goes into a PCIe slot. You're not going to have support for that. You'll be bottlenecked by that, by the interface, by the length of the board. Yeah. Well, not even just that. The motherboard manufacturer has to specifically enable it. Yeah. They have to add BIOS support for it. And let's face it. You show me a motherboard manufacturer that cares about their motherboards after the product cycle is over, and I will show you an incredulous face like this. I like to say I'll put a unicorn in your driveway. That's good too. Yeah. I'll put a unicorn in your incredulous face. Bam! All right. So let's see. What are people saying? They're saying they have expansion slots. So it's not quite. That is a good point. But there's some stuff that you will not get with an expansion slot. Thunderbolt comes to mind. Thunderbolt must have support at the board level before you can add an expansion card to it, even though some motherboards do support expansion cards. Notably, the Rampage 5 Extreme that I have in my personal rig doesn't have it on board, but there's a header, like a data header, that you can plug in this specific expansion card, and that specifically will work. Native support just seems to play more nicely with things overall. That's right. So I know on the upcoming Kaby Lake from Intel that it's going to have native, I think, USB 3.1, perhaps without needing an add-in chip. I think Kaby Lake was also going to add Thunderbolt 3. That's what I was thinking. It might be both. No, I think you're right, actually. It was one or the other. It had a 3 in it. I just remember that. All right. So the Flash Memory Summit. This is sort of a big deal if you're into that kind of thing. The original article here is from NGadget. Have you not been able to load this up yet? I have two factors. Yeah, just go get it. Okay. Yeah, that's fine. Don't worry. I'm all good. I'm all good in the hood. Seagate's new 60 terabyte SSD dwarfs others on the market. And we're talking both in terms of the capacity and in terms of the actual physical size. Now, Seagate's 60 terabyte SSD that they showed off is not the first three and a half inch SSD that I've ever seen. In fact, let's see if I can find a picture of it. The OCZ Colossus with a whopping two star rating over on newegg.ca here. The OCZ Colossus took a similar approach back in. Oh, man, what was this like around 2013, 2012? Something like that, I want to say, where they just went to a three and a half inch form factor solely so that they could stuff more flash chips onto a larger PCB in order to ship a capacity that otherwise wasn't possible. The problem with the Colossus and the reason that you're not going to be buying one of Seagate 60 terabyte SSDs unless you are. I actually have no idea who the customers are for these. No idea. Video production companies, maybe? No, I don't think so. I'm kidding. I don't think so. Like who needs 60 terabytes of solid state storage and doesn't already have like like on a single drive. Okay. Yeah. On a single drive with a SAS interface. I mean, the cheap way, the incredibly cheap response here would be no one will ever need more than 64 KB of RAM. But you make I said it was a cheap response. You make a good point. That is a cheap response, especially the fact that it's on a single drive over us. Well, okay, it's a dual interface drive, but over over over just a dual SAS interface instead of being like 60 terabytes of flash storage in like a ginormous server that has oodles and oodles of read and write bandwidth and can handle hundreds and hundreds of thousands of IOPS to like this, you know, ball and interface thing anyway. So the problem that they're going to run into is the same one as before. It's a lot of capacity. It's a single interface still. So you're not really getting a performance benefit for the size. And last but not least, there is not really a cost benefit because you still have to buy all of those flash dies. So let's go ahead and see if we can find the let's see where is it? Blah blah blah. How many how many how many packages can't remember it was something ridiculous. And unfortunately, this version of the article doesn't have that information. There was a different one that I was looking at when I was just like tooling around reading about this. But blah blah blah. Wow. This is great. The actual the actual marketing line for this is reach one petabyte of storage with only 17 drives. Wow. Fantastic. Right now, it is only a demo unit. In fact, we have reached out to Seagate asking if they can get us a unit just for like another episode of holy shit or something like that, because this thing's going to cost like if I had to guess, I'd say it's going to cost over twenty five thousand dollars for sure. Probably more depending on who exactly the target is, because the performance of it is shockingly not that bad. Again, this is something that was covered in the other article I was looking at and unfortunately isn't in this one. Four terabytes per watt of power consumption. That's fantastic. Ultra dense NAND technology from Micron and uses a unique approach where Seagate is actually still using a single controller to access all of the NAND flash. So then they're just using what are effectively kind of like like switch switch technology to allow each like each channel of the controller to access many, many, many more flash dies than they otherwise would be able to. Is this like a proprietary controller they developed or is it something else? Well, Seagate's been investing very, very heavily in in flash, even though they don't actually fab anything, as I recall. So, yeah, it wouldn't surprise me. And they I mean, they acquired they acquired LSI a little while back. Yeah, more companies seem to be getting involved in then WD start trying to get involved with with NAND. Yeah, they purchased Sandisk or maybe that's through. No, I think that happened. I remember hearing about it, but I could be wrong. It's a no, it's a complete 2016 completes the actual couple of months like three months ago. They they finished up with that. Yeah. OK. All right. So I guess that's pretty much all there is to it. There's a 60 terabyte SSD, which is four times the capacity of the next leading SSD Samsung's PM, whatever it's called, PM 1633A, which is a 15 terabyte SSD. We actually reached out to Samsung. That's in a two and a half inch form factor, though, by the way. We had actually reached out to Samsung about getting us one of those and they were they were not able to do so. Where did they even reply to our emails? I actually I actually wanted it for a specific project. I wanted it for the world's most expensive PlayStation 4, a water cooled PlayStation 4 with, you know, 15 terabytes of solid state storage. I thought that'd be pretty cool. No. All right. Also from the Flash Summit, Toshiba and the original article here is from the register.co.uk Toshiba teases and even higher capacity SSD quad level cell. Yes. I'm assuming that's what the Q stands for. Yeah. So four bits per cell, which we should probably explain a little bit. There's a fastest possible episode about bits per cell. Why don't you do that explanation? I've been doing a lot of talking. I'm going to go get a drink of water. You explain why. Yeah. OK. It's been a while since I've looked at this. But the gist of it is that. So if you were buying an SSD, usually what you'll see on the product page is it'll indicate whether the SSD is SLC, MLC or TLC. And what that refers to is how many bits of data each little memory cell inside the NAND flash can hold. So an SLC drive can only hold one bit per cell, whereas a TLC drive can hold three. And more sounds better as far as it more obviously sounds better. But the capacity. But as far as capacity sounds better. But usually TLC drives, they tend to be a little bit slower performance wise. So this is a new QLC drive that holds four bits per cell. So we might be able to see some really, really good capacities with it. And indeed, they're teasing their this. I guess it's a prototype, but they're teasing it as being 100 terabytes. There's not a whole lot that's been confirmed right now on this. It looks like it's all talk. The QLC technology was also released very recently. It looks like it would be a 3D SSD. So I guess the company that's most famous for this is Samsung because they marketed their 3D SSDs pretty heavily. Where instead of having the chips all on one plane, they're actually stacked like so. So it will increase the data density. So we're looking at a 3D SSD with PCIe Gen 3 interface. So it's not SATA. It's PCI Express. Over 100 terabytes of capacity and oh, hi Linus. Three gigabytes a second sequential read and one gigabyte per second sequential write. Three gigabytes per second. Yeah, that's quite a bit more than like Samsung has their 950, which is I think their highest anything right now that I can find. But three I think is almost a whole gig higher than that if my memory serves me correctly. Yeah, and it's not even NVMe either because this is a let's see what like what interface is it even using? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, that's a big deal, isn't it? Because more bits per cell usually means a bit slower. Yeah. But I mean, so but this is but because it's 3D and it's NVMe. So there's a couple of things to bear in mind here. So you've got a lot of NAND dies. You have many, many, many, many, many flash chips that you can read from and you can write to. So assuming your controller isn't a bottleneck, assuming you have a sophisticated enough controller, you can do these massive throughput numbers. Even though we're talking QLC flash, which it surprises me that they're putting this in an enterprise product first. Well, I think it seems to be focused more on kind of like playing the copy paste game or moving huge files around because also you look at the random read and write, which is measured in IOS. It's only 50000 and 14000 for read write respectively. And you it's extremely easy to find very affordable consumer level. Say the SSD, I think, say that says, yeah, say that says these have numbers way above that. So it seems to be more suited for a media farm or you're moving around huge files where you get those sources like really good speeds. Like something that I would even. OK, so here again, like here's something I would wonder, are you even better off? Let's say you were you were one of one of Netflix's one of Netflix's things where they want to install their hardware in an ISP's space. Right. So the term is escaping me. But it's Friday. OK, it's Friday. It's been a long week for everyone. So if I was Netflix, the idea is I want to use as little rack space as possible. I want to store as many movies as I can. And I want to serve as many customers without unnecessary delays and buffering as I can. So very high capacity drives look like, well, hey, that might be a very, very, very good idea. Except that by the time you are starting to hit these drives with a lot of random operations, are they even any better off than mechanical? Well, couldn't you split your workload then? Like like let's say just just access to your Web page or things like validating a log in. Couldn't you do that with like something faster on the random and just have these do nothing but post videos? And then if you were going to do that, if you're going to split the workload anyway, then how don't you just have why don't you spread out this data over more drives so that people are less likely to be trying to hit the same thing at the same time? Well, you could you could just like buy a bunch of these and erase them together, but then that would get very expensive probably. So this is kind of scary. The QLC drive would have a three petabyte to six petabyte workload over its lifetime. So what does that look like over its lifetime? What that sounds like to me is that you could only write this drive and correct me if I'm wrong, somewhere between 30 to 60 times. So a petabytes a thousand TB. So so like so a million gigabytes. Yeah, would be a petabyte. Yeah. Yeah, that actually you think of something like Netflix. So it seems like you would have to get a lot of these. So well, no, you want to be so you write. I mean, they only change their library every once in a while. So as long as they're smart about how they utilize them, maybe it helps. Oh, no. OK, so hold on a second. This is using a PCI Express interface, by the way. I think I might have said it was SAS or something before. But yeah, no, it's PCIe. Let's move into sponsors for today. Number one is Squarespace and Nick isn't here. So I don't have to do the Squarespace read the way he says to do it. 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Oh, no, no, no, I just know I couldn't see the screen through the microphone and you were just like kind of like it looked like you were kind of like fawning at the screen or something. I was like, is he playing? I just wasn't sure what was going on. I wasn't sure what was going on. All right. Denuvo has been successfully cracked. This has been a long time coming, actually. Denuvo has held up surprisingly well. So for those of you who don't know, Denuvo is a copy protection scheme for games and it's over. It has been successfully cracked with both Doom and Rise of the Tomb Raider apparently already available online with a functional bypass for Denuvo's anti-tampering technology. The crack was created by a Bulgarian hacker called Voxy. Voxy, Voxy, Voxy. Can you do a Bulgarian accent? I have no idea what they sound like in Bulgaria. All right. Well, he's also working on a crack for Just Cause 3 along with several other recent Denuvo titles. The crack exploits a bug in Steam, which allows users to play the full game while Steam thinks the game is a free demo version. It appears as though, given that this is a Steam exploit, that it could be fixed with a Steam update so it may not be functional for long. So there you have it. So you will either have to buy the game or you will have to never update Steam again. DRM versus hackers. It's just like a never-ending battle. All right. Quantum Break is officially coming to Steam. This is in our Rapid Fire News topics. Let's go ahead and drop that in the Twitch chat in case you guys are sort of curious about it at all. Let's go. The original article here is from Overclock3D.net. I will go ahead and go back to my thing. So basically it's coming September 14th, 2016, so in about a month. This will end its exclusivity in the Windows Store. I would love to say that I think this is because Microsoft just has the best interests of gamers at heart and wants to support a more open ecosystem. In fact, they've even made some statements that would seem to support that kind of do not walk on the green screen. Second person I caught doing that today. We're going to have to repaint that whole thing. That is a hassle. That is a royal hassle. Hashtag fired. No, he's not fired. I'm just...if he does it again, he might be. Oh, man. Anyway, sorry. It includes all the updates that are available in the Windows 10 Store version, will support DirectX 11, and will not be a universal Windows platform game. Meaning that any of the limitations that come with that, whether they're related to benchmarking, multi GPU, or whatever the case may be, frame rate limits, will not be imposed on it. I'm still a little bit surprised that there are Windows App Store. Sorry, not Windows App Store, just Windows Store exclusive games. Yeah. It surprises me a little bit. By the time it sinks in for you, my hope is that it will be over. Yeah, there you go. But then again, they've demonstrated, as they did with Games for Windows Live, that they're willing to stick with a terrible thing for an awful long time before giving up. That's kind of human nature, I guess. Well, this thing is basically on fire, but let's stick with it anyway. Yeah, pretty much. All right. Let's go ahead and...oh, this is kind of fun. So the first commercial mission to the moon approved for Florida company Moon Express. I already love the name of their company. It sounds like a Planet Express from Futurama. It really... It's like a delivery service to the moon. I have to wonder if it's intentional. I hope it's intentional. That's freaking awesome. So the US government has given them the go-ahead to launch the first commercial mission to the moon. So the Moon Express CEO and co-founder said, it's a huge milestone for us. Not quite as catchy as one small step for man, one large leap, one giant leap, thank you, for mankind. Not quite as catchy as that, but maybe he didn't have quite as long to write it, given that he didn't sit in a spacecraft for a long time before he got there. You know, I wonder what the story is behind that. I'm sure it's been talked about, whether it was spontaneous or whether he thought about it and planned it. It had to require at least a few minutes of pre-planning. I mean, it's frustrating because you're a sports fan, so you'll be able to relate to this. It's frustrating because the greatest moments in sports are sometimes made as much by the commentator as they are by the athlete. Because they put it in the appropriate context, they get you amped up for it, they make the moment something that goes beyond a fantastic athletic feat and something that becomes culturally iconic. Because you can, like you can... Okay, so the Bobby Orr goal. It's amazing to watch, but with that... With that commentatio- commentary? Commentation? Commentary. Commentary. Thank you. With that commentary, it's something that is moving to a hockey fan anyway. Most people wouldn't care. Doesn't it drive you crazy when you can tell that they had a sheet of paper in front of them with like epic moment quotes that they've been thinking up over the last month and they just say one? Oh, you can always tell when it's like, oh, you were staying up late at night last week just trying to think of this stuff and now you have your moment. American commentators are the worst. I'm sorry. In what regard though? You could be right, depending on what it is. Doing that, I notice it so much less on Canadian broadcasts. The contrived fake nonsense on a big game win, especially when it's like not a close game. Like when the outcome has basically been decided since the middle of the second period or the beginning of the third quarter or whatever. Yeah, where they've got this quote that they were obviously saving that makes it sound like an epic triumph when it was just kind of a beat down. I don't disagree with you, but I have seen it in other countries as well. If I'm watching the Premier League in English soccer, there could be a game put away by halftime. And then the announcer will go on in this golf announcer style drone for the second 45 minutes and then with the final whistle goes, and there it is. I'm just like, OK, so your point is very well taken though. I understand what you're saying. All right, so back to going to the moon. The company has raised more than 30 million dollars so far and plan to unveil their MX-1E lander at the Cape Cronavaral Air Station. The first launch is targeted for late 2017. This is kind of funny. The FAA has not actually issued a launch license yet, and that will be considered separately from the mission itself. So while they do have permission to travel between Earth's stratosphere and the moon and land there, they do not have permission to... Actually, which layer of the atmosphere does the FAA's jurisdiction end? I don't know either. I don't know. If you ask the FAA, maybe it never ends. You know what? It wouldn't surprise me. All right. What else we got? Oh, the Kansas thing I thought was pretty cool. OK, let's move on to that. Where is that? Oh, where is that indeed? I saw it. Kansas Farm sues MaxMind over, quote, massive IP glitch, unquote. So let's go ahead. I'll pull up the original article from the Washington Post. You want to go ahead and get us going on this? Yeah, so this is pretty nuts. So MaxMind is a company out of Waltham, Massachusetts, actually right across the river from where I lived when I was in law school. And they are a company that maps IP addresses to geographical areas. Now, what they did is they had one point that they considered the default center of the US. So and this was therefore center of the universe. Exactly. Hashtag Canadian commentary. OK, so basically what this is, what the geographic center of a country or anything else is, is suppose you had a cardboard cutout shaped exactly like the US and you balanced it on a pin. The geographic center is where it would bounce, like where the pin would be. And this happened to be very close to these folks' house that lived in Kansas. And so what ended up happening is all of this IP traffic was being mapped back to essentially their front yard. And what ended up happening was for years they had cops showing up at their door at all hours accusing them of being involved in all sorts of crime or whatever other shenanigans. And there were just this like random elderly couple that lived on the farm or something had no idea what was going on. So basically, Max Mind is responsible for mapping IP addresses. And they used this this geographical center as the default location for any US based IP address. So let's say that, you know, oh man, like what even would be an example of something that didn't have a proper IP address and they just default? Like, why would they even be doing this? It was a little bit unclear from the story, honestly. Maybe if someone was like, you know, using a VPN, but even then, like sometimes when mapping IPs, apparently they're able to only determine the country of origin. That's it. Yeah. So there it is. So so if all I know is, oh, you're somewhere in the United States, you get mapped to this random place in Kansas. I mean, these are some of the complaints that this poor family has been dealing with. They've been accused of interrupting email service for customers of a certain small business. They've been accused of harboring stolen vehicle, harboring runaway children and keeping girls in the house to make pornographic films. I mean, I really like how that last one was in quotation marks. But yeah, so it says ambulances have appeared to prepare to save suicidal persons. FBI agents, federal marshals, IRS collectors and other law enforcement officers have appeared on their doorsteps at all hours of the day and night. And even one random morning, a broken toilet was left in their driveway without explanation. All right. So Max Mind has since changed their default location in the U.S. to the center of a lake west of Wichita. But in the meantime, the Arnolds have filed a lawsuit against Max Mind seeking compensatory and punitive damages in excess of seventy five thousand dollars. Can I make a comment on that? Yes. So the reason they chose that dollar amount in excess of seventy five thousand dollars. So here's the reason for this super quick crash course in jurisdiction of American law. So they filed the case in federal court. And if you want to file something in federal court in the U.S., there's two. You can do it in one of two ways. One is if it involves a federal question or a federal law. But the other is if there's what's called diversity of citizenship, whereas the two parties in this case, the old couple and Max Mind are from two different states. And they are. And the amount in controversy is above seventy five thousand dollars. So that's why there's a sort of vague in excess. We want in excess of seventy five grand. Like who knows how much the actual amount they'll get will be. But that is just sort of like a venue selection trick to get them into federal court as opposed to state court. Oh, I see. OK. Makes sense. Yeah. Let's move on to a pretty important rumor. So the original post here is actually from the Linus Tech Tips Forum because I think I think they are quickly being wiped out. And I'm not going to say anything about this because I may or may not actually have real information. But basically here, there's an image or post of what appears to be. I'm going to read it word for word. It is this image or post that is the entire that is the entire source of everything that I'm saying. It appears to be an ASUS ROG Strix G752 VM dash GC 033 T 7.3 inch. What seems to be a laptop of some sort. This this potentially completely photoshopped page says that it OK. It seems to be a laptop because it has a core I7 6700 HQ processor word next to this picture of what appears to be a laptop. So I guess the implication being that one of those is inside one of those DDR4 8 gig RAM 256 GB SSD M period 2 1 TB 7200 RPM. Something something. That's a word in a language that I don't understand. Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 6 GB. So the implication is that a laptop with a GTX 1060 6 GB could potentially be a thing for 19,999 of whatever the devil these are. The region. Chrome. Is that is that right? I think that's what it said. I wish I wish Luke were here because Luke is very good at Scandinavian currency. We were having a discussion about this here today. That's an interesting talent. Don't worry about it. So an interesting actually I'm not going to point out anything that's interesting about it. There were also some let's see if any of the other listings are still are still live. It looks like this stuff is being pulled down. So all the links that were originally given for expert dot and oh are. Yep. No. No. Not. I don't know what any of this is but it definitely isn't that. So hmm. Very very interesting. Very interesting. I like Scandinavian letters. Where is Luke anyway? Britain. That's as much information as I have. That's all the information I have to. All right. Self driving Tesla original article here is from the telegraph dot co dot UK saves a man's life by steering him to the hospital. So this opens up an intro. OK. Let's go through the basics the basics of the story first. So a version of our call from telegraph. I think I already said that originally posted by fake ZZ on the forum. So his Tesla Model X is credited with having helped save an American man's life after its autopilot function got him to the hospital when he suffered a pulmonary embolism. Man's name is Joshua Neely a lawyer from Springfield Missouri called his wife and said something was wrong that he couldn't breathe and thinking it would be quicker than pulling over to call an ambulance. He set the autopilot autonomous function of the Tesla Model X. He just got the car a few weeks before this happened. He doesn't remember much after he set the mode as the car drove him over 20 miles to Branson. He managed to steer the car the last mile or so between the motorway and the hospital. So this is an interesting debate. How is it that we consider Tesla's autopilot record because a couple of people have died now. Do they get one in the bank if autopilot saves a life. Is that how it is that how it works like life savers lives taken. I don't know. I'm not making the rules for this. I'm just asking questions. We're going to straw pull this friends. I haven't got a straw pull this. Go ahead. I mean I feel like this was inevitable when you have when the design when whoever's idea this was first said hey why don't we try to make a self-driving car. But I don't know how do you measure something like this whether or not like this is a good or bad thing because OK I'll say this. So how much testing has been done versus death rate because people who just drive regular cars both kill themselves and other people all the time. Yeah. So even though it's easy to say oh you can't trust these computers to drive cars if their fatality rate is still much lower than you know some random person behind the wheel. But you're you're OK. The problem though is that you're approaching this from a very a very scientific standpoint like a purely fact based standpoint. And the reality of it is even for even for people who care more about facts than feelings. Let's say it was you know your mom who died in a self-driving car. Do you care that the odds were better for her like that the overall odds like fewer people would die if we were all in self-driving cars. Do you care your mom's dead and maybe wouldn't have been dead if she had been operating the steering wheel like that's something to consider is that while it's easy to kind of go oh the greater good and this and that. That doesn't change that you're going to be dealing with people who are inherently emotionally distraught and very upset and prepared to make a very loud noise about why self-driving cars are bad if someone close to them dies in one or is seriously injured in one. Whereas we all accept just because of because we've all been born into a world where cars operated by people are the norm. We all accept the risks that come along with a manually operated car. People also like to feel like they're in control which is why people tend to be more afraid of flying than they are driving even though flying is statistically much safer. You have a feeling of not being in control and if something goes wrong there's nothing you can do about it. That's right and I would also make the argument that flying is a much more terrifying way to die because I can think of very few scenarios where you won't have an awful lot of time to think about it. Yeah and you just like plummet for quite a while. I don't know what the terminal velocity of a human being is but it's not that high. Yeah. So. No it's not. So we've got 65 percent of you saying yes we can evaluate autopilot systems on the on the bank system. Well to be fair. One in one out you come out net even. When these start becoming more mainstream I feel like this is how we're going to make decisions on them like this is how governments are going to regulate them. This is the way that companies are going to be approaching safety. So it's ultimately going to affect like how people use them. So. I don't know. I just I'm wondering with the whole you know the march of progress and all that like I'm wondering how much voices of people that oh I lost a loved one in a in a self-driving car accident and maybe I wouldn't have had they actually been controlling the car. I wonder if those boys will just cut voices will just end up being lost in the conversation because ultimately I think we want to make decisions based on more what are the numbers. I don't know. I mean the thing is is that it's pretty hard to lose a voice in the conversation these days with social media being what it is true. Yeah. I mean people can you know with through amplification factors like Twitter and Reddit. All takes one viral incident suddenly the conversation changes you know at least a little bit so. And at the end of the day I mean any politician is at the mercy of the voters. So whatever they can do quietly behind closed doors that is something that their voters wouldn't agree with is all fine and good. But as soon as something goes viral and there's a bunch of pressure and it looks like they might actually not get reelected. I mean if you're a career politician not getting reelected is like getting fired effectively. Exactly. Or like or you know if you're let's say a senator and you have to go back to being the mayor of you know three sticks Nebraska then you know that's it's like getting a huge demotion. With the incumbency advantage does become a career I think I don't know how this in Canada but like in the U.S. House incumbency success rate in the election is like over 90 percent like most of these people were there for a long time. So basically we're looking at something that is potentially very emotional and and can be driven by fear. Absolutely. So I don't know. Because yeah I mean how many self or like autonomous vehicles other than cars are there still really aren't all that many like most metro systems and train systems they have a human conductor or a human driver you know. I don't think the SkyTrain has one. I think there might be a remote controller though I'm actually not sure. As slow as the SkyTrain is I'll see how it matters but. Okay, if you're going to hate on the SkyTrain hate on the SkyTrain right. Okay, the SkyTrain doesn't go anywhere. It covers. Yeah, that's true. A tiny fraction. Yeah. Of the greater Vancouver area that it's basically irrelevant. Our mass transit in North Carolina is a joke too I'm not trying to take on Vancouver. This is just is bad. So. All right well speaking of things that are bad. The end of the show is bad because the show is ending not because the show is bad. Maybe the show was without without when they say if it was a bad if it was a bad show it would be good at sending. So yes maybe I'll do a straw poll. Is the show bad or the end bad. The show is bad. Hey show was bad actually we even like that is perfect. And is bad. This poll is bad. All right let's find out what's bad. And I did not put an option for Michael Jackson. Oh. All right. It has been a long week. It's been a very long. I don't even know why. Probably because last week was a holiday week. We're also a little bit shorthanded this week. Yeah, we're a little shorthanded this week. What was Luke not here Brandon's out today. What was people hating people hating their state. Yeah, every single every single voter is saying something's bad. It's like look at this negativity. They mostly hate your poll. Mostly hate my poll. I can tell you one person who doesn't hate my poll. I'm not going to say it. See you next week. Same bad time. Same bad channel.