 All right, and we're live you guys know what it was this is hilarious It was a power cycling or not power. So yeah power cycling the microphone so Funnily enough well not even power cycling the microphone cycling the phantom power switch on our mixer for the microphone because actually Powering down the entire mixer and then powering it back up completely didn't address the issue But pressing the button and then pressing it again did for whatever Freaking reason I can't even begin to fathom this stuff It's too complicated for me because I'm stupid don't know anything anyway I'm sure there's an explanation for this. That was so depressing. I know I'm a stupid don't know anything But these people are all listening to me. What does that make them? Wow? Wow, what's with okay? We need to start talking about Oculus. That's depressing. Everything's depressing. I know I'm whenever the show is late I'm depressed. I was talking to him about this off-line I'm like I know you guys hate it when the show is late We hate it when the show is late too because like I feel personally Responsible for all the hours of time that are being wasted while people sit and wait for us And that's terrible and we went as far as to buy Completely new sets of all of our equipment so that everything the camera the lens the microphone the boom pole the mixer The compressor the computer everything stays in this room, and we don't touch it other than to live stream That's how far we went to make sure that our show was on time for you guys and yet here We are and we still have these issues, and I'm really really sorry, but enough of that Let's get this thing started shall we the big news this week is obviously Facebook's acquisition of Oculus whoo Oh, this is hilarious Twitch is like confirmed Wanshow acquired by Facebook no not so much Our setup would have probably worked if we had that much money And you know what that's one of the positive things to take away from this whole thing We're gonna get into it in more depth later But we do have some other initial topics here that I just want to sort of throw at you guys that we will be talking About so Nvidia had a call earlier this week where they talked about their plans with respect to DirectX 12 And how that figures into their overall strategy? You know what's funny is I don't think Nvidia ever actually outright said we are not going to support mantle no matter How open it is in fact? I think they still haven't said that but no They also pushed a big update for Nvidia shield this week Which is a huge deal allows things like off-strike off-site game stream, so we'll get into more details on that later But like good luck scrolling through the document Yeah, four or five pages of our document are all oculus this week So it's gonna be kind of a big deal Nvidia also launched the Titan Z Bitcoins are now considered property and without further ado. Let's get this intro done so we can get this show on the road Whoa, what's that? We're going to Paxi sponsored by Intel and Corsair Also sponsoring this week's episode of the WAN show is hotspot shield with their elite service Which you can get 20% off of by the way with offer code Linus you can Make it more difficult for people to figure out who you are online You can actually get access to services that are otherwise geographically locked and I mean those are I guess the main benefits of a VPN Probably stop Facebook from tracking you yeah, and you can do all that relatively inexpensively and easily alright So let's get into our first topic here. Let's just do something before like the train wreck really Let's do one top. I don't even think so you don't even think so you want to get okay? Let's do this. I honestly just jump right okay, so I the role of Linus over the next 45 minutes or so will be played by I'm gonna go get Jeff so you go ahead and get started you have input on this do I? Well talk to me a little bit Jeff has input too, okay, and I'm not letting you make Jeff's voice not heard I did murder him earlier No, literally okay. Well as all of you know at this point. I'm sure and if you don't how What I know so Oculus was acquired by Facebook for? 400 million dollars cash and what equated to a total with that cash of 2 billion dollars in cash and stock auctions So they got 2 billion dollars kind of because a lot of its Facebook stock which went down a lot recently resulting in about a negative 112 million dollar change on that deal although everyone suspects that Facebook stock is just gonna bounce back So it probably actually won't matter in the end, and they're not exactly selling all this stock immediately anyways Because they're probably gonna have to sell it over time and then blah blah blah blah So there's tons of speculation around that so whatever it was two billion dollar deal We'll figure out how much that equates to in the end, and I'm sure by that time. No one really really care anyways There's much of negative and positive Angles you can take on this I'm gonna go through the negative ones first at least these are angles that I've seen people take already There's obviously some that'll pop up later on that we haven't talked about yet But the negative angles the main ones I've seen is people are going to be like oh my gosh I've seen is people on the Internet don't trust acquisitions generally whenever there's an acquisition people on the Internet just hate it All right moving on they said they weren't interested in being acquired before there's actually quite a few quotes of them saying oh we Won't have to be acquired by some big company, and that's a good thing blah blah blah blah blah And now they're acquired by a huge company, so that's Interesting I guess moving on being acquired due to Kickstarter success feels like betrayal Not actually echoed this by saying that he didn't donate ten thousand dollars just as a seed fund so they could be acquired by a huge company That's not an exact quote, but it's something along those lines. We'll get it more into that later the Internet kind of as a Glombed whole obviously not the entire thing, but just generally the voice of the Internet dislikes Facebook, so this The vocal the vocal minority because if you look at you look at Facebook's user base It's you obviously the whole internet yeah What a lot of people see as the internet the popular opinion of voice of the Internet folk Yeah, not necessarily the action, but the voice of the Internet yeah Facebook is deemed as creepy by people like notch again. We'll get into notches comments on this later People wanted oculus to stick with its homebrew roots and signing up with Facebook is not exactly sticking with homebrew roots Why didn't some other company buy them? And there's been a whole bunch of things like like valve and all these other things which may or may not make any sense at all But we'll get into that later again Really, it's worth whatsapp is worth ten times as much as oculus almost We'll get into that later and all the comments of oh my god Farmville 3d and Facebook pop-ups all over your face and all that kind of stuff again. We'll get into that later now There's the positive angles that I've seen a lot of people take It will drive some New immersive experiences that are gonna be very deep you're gonna be able to go and hopefully travel different places experience different things Shop online virtually hopefully be able to see sizing and stuff like that because your avatar will be the right size blah blah blah blah blah Tons of new experiences that you weren't expecting before whether or not you think that's a good thing This is a positive angle the increased funding is allowing them to hire more talent And they're not just like Michael Abrash, which we'll talk about later. That's amazing. Actually, that's incredibly awesome They were already being controlled by investors is another big one Actually pretty deeply rooted one that we're gonna get into later that I have a ton of theories about and some really interesting quotes That we've seen over the past month or two which really hint to this but we'll talk about that later again They didn't get purchased by another gaming hardware company that would have been a disaster. Yeah my mind I mean if they've been bought by we I've actually seen people suggest that Sony or Microsoft would have been a better option That would have been disastrous. I mean you look at how closed Xbox and PlayStation are as ecosystems and even even like the oculus community Which is generally right now makers hackers hardcore is all that kind of stuff have been talking But like there's the there's the there's the Tuscany demo You can go to a small version of Tuscany and enjoy that environment something I've talked about on the stream before Was how I hoped that someone would go and recreate something like Rome and make it so that someone even if they're in an old Folks home could travel the world and experience these things This is very cool and you don't want to get locked into a gaming hardware nation have none of that ever be possible Right now oculus is open. Of course gaming is gonna drive it, but hopefully it opens up So again, these are all positive angles. They can now afford custom hardware They've been scraping off what they can kind of manage to get from the mobile market like mobile phones And now they'll actually be able to make hardware that is designed and built and manufactured For the rift instead of like something that was made for something else and they're just kind of hacking it and forcing it in There and making it work because I mean then this is something that was sort of the whole negative thing Where the the makers and hackers don't really feel that great about oculus not staying true to the homebrew roots But those guys also want a fantastic VR experience 4k and Purpose made hardware is gonna be a big way to get there. Yeah, all right So are we going through the history now or one more thing? Oh crap, where did it go? I can't remember where it is doesn't matter. I'll get into it later So how I designed this document and how I think we're gonna go through this is actually like kind of the progression of thought of Kind of a lot of people and how people found out different news and part of maybe the reason why it started off as a massive explosion Not that it isn't still a massive explosion You can make your own decision on whether or not it's positive or negative and we'll get into that kind of stuff later But we're just gonna go through how things happen and why things happen And the reason we're gonna do that. I mean, I've seen a few comments in twitch chat from people saying Oh, I'm not that interested in oculus Okay, two things number one. Yes, you are. You just don't know it yet And number two oculus is well, basically the same as number one oculus and VR in general is extremely important And this is a turning point in not just gaming and not just oculus But in VR and in what that's going to mean for the future. So that's why we are dedicating almost an entire show to it You guys can stay tuned in and this is gonna be a really great show Luke in particular has worked extremely hard on making sure that we're bringing you guys some really good coverage of what happened this week So you can stay tuned in and you can enjoy that or if you don't think this is important legitimately Don't think this is important Then I mean you can probably tune back in in about 45 minutes or an hour And we'll get into some of the Nvidia stuff and some of the other stuff this week, but this is such a big deal Right now and in the future Another thing that I want to bring up the thing I forgot to bring up on the positive angles thing Which is actually not on the dock, which is probably why you started talking is Even if you are done with oculus, it doesn't matter VR is now going to happen because there's been this big of an investment Other investment firms are going to look into other companies and start pouring a lot more money into VR because Facebook is huge And they are a competitor a natural competitor of many things. So VR is now going to happen There's a lot of people been going like oh oculus is dead now whether or not they're dead doesn't matter Even if they're the sacrificial lamb, it's going to happen now VR is We made it when one company dives in and invests a couple billion Then everyone else kind of goes. Oh this matters So Facebook thinks it's important. So all of a sudden VR companies are going to be acquired by big guys And they're going to get investment funding and all the funding and it's going to happen and it's going to be really great Whether it's the kind of great we envisioned or not Whether or not you think oculus is now the sacrificial lamb that's going to die Or if you think they're just going to be a great company The sacrificial lamb that's going to die or if you think they're just going to be the biggest thing on the planet doesn't matter It's happening, which is which is good thing. So it started off with the posts by Mark Zuckerberg and Palmer lucky on Palmer posting on reddit and on the blog for oculus and mark posting on Facebook Can you can you make sure that okay? I'm going to try and keep up with you and post links and stuff since I won't have a whole ton to say At the start it should be fairly easy. It's good starting off fairly slow Especially because I'm mainly going over the future of VR. Okay, so I'm going to stay there for a while and then it might get a little bit So I'm going to go ahead and drop this in there. Yeah, so I'm going to start off with some very notable things that were said in Palmer's post on reddit He said we've reached we've received orders of over 75,000 development kits from game developers content creators and artists around the world There's and I'm going to comment on each thing that I've read in here and then go into other comments later on One big thing that people were attacking him over on this was a lot of people that went into this aren't game developers content creators and artists I'm not a game developer content creator or an artist. Of course, you're not particularly talented at all. Are you? No, I think you're great. That was so Anyways, I dabbled in making some stuff in unity and it was fun to be completely honest, but didn't make anything that was worth releasing I'm not a I'm not a game designer. I'm I've dabbled in programming, but I'm not that amazing And I know everyone I know that's bought one isn't any of these things They're interested in the company So people were worried that he was abusing that number to try and get investment feeds and they were canceling because they're trying to vote with their wallet Whatever. We'll get more into that later Another quote from there was when Facebook first approached us about partnering. I was skeptical. A lot of people were like you probably should have kept that angle We'll get more into that later and why he ended up doing it all that kind of stuff Facebook is run in an open way that is aligned with Oculus's culture A lot of people respond and saying how is Facebook aligned with Oculus at all in an open way? Blah blah blah blah blah But there is reasons for and against that they have pushed for a lot of open development people are saying oh no They haven't they actually have they've invested quite a bit of money in open development Some of their stuff is proprietary and closed but not everything and they do push for some open stuff Yeah, they've talked a lot about even things like the architecture that they use to make Facebook so responsive with such a heavy load that it has They're pretty open about a lot of that stuff They are pushing connectivity forward in some ways and I don't want this to feel like I'm some kind of a Facebook fanboy I'm not but I didn't even have it until I needed to be able to admin the line of sectors Facebook page Yeah, I know right So like yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's just that's just a fact. They haven't been completely against openness No matter how you want to see it. It means Oculus Rift with Oculus Rift with fewer Oculus Rift will be able to come out with fewer compromises and faster, which is that's just probably true There's tons more money. Yeah, they can pay more for manufacturing. They can push things through faster Yeah, Oculus is somewhat unpredictable future just became crystal clear virtual reality is coming And it's going to change the way we view and play games forever. That was slightly edited But it's essentially what we were talking about earlier VR is happening now. Yeah, no matter what another quote from him I'm obsessed with VR. I spend every day pushing further and every night dreaming of where we're going Even in my wildest dreams. I never imagined we'd come so far so fast. I'm a proud member of this community Thank you all for caring virtual reality and gaming forward and trusting us to deliver. We won't let you down So he said all that but the reality of it is is he can't say anything else. So we're not sure what to read into this I think at the at the end of the day if you trust Palmer and you trust the Oculus team It's not like they can just bail and start again because Oculus the company owns so many patents now that they in all likelihood Wouldn't even be able to start up again and go back up against their old kind of sure There's some type of non-compete agreements and stuff too, but there's there there is things in here People were wondering like oh are those notch actually specifically? I'm gonna jump down right here So let's clarify who notches minecraft minecraft creator notch Actually replied on this exact reddit thread saying you got my respect before I met you kept it when I met you Blah blah blah blah blah blah. I'm gonna jump forward a little bit. Um, where is it? I just hope you got your fair share VR will live on Thank you for being part of making it finally happen, but I really wish this hadn't happened Which the main part I was trying to say is I understand you're probably under a big NDA and stuck in golden handcuffs Which which is interesting, but you also have to realize that you've got Palmer and Which is interesting a lot of people started to trust Palmer But you have John Carmack. Mm-hmm. John Carmack isn't just gonna shut up and code Because someone's slapping dollar bills at him. Yeah, that's not gonna happen So if if this does start getting forced in a bad direction if I were you guys paying attention I would listen to John Carmack. Honestly, personally, I'm gonna listen to Palmer too But he is a lot newer to the scene than John freaking Carmack John Carmack says whatever he wants as far as I can tell Yeah, as far as anyone can probably tell I'm gonna go ahead and So if you if you really want to get some feedback Carmack actually posted on Twitter about three days ago He basically said look the volume of tweets right now is way too high I can't even begin to look at it all but if you hit me in a few days or like once the poop storm starts to die Down a little bit then he does want to engage. He does want to engage. He does want to talk about it When I initially saw that it was radio silence from Carmack for the first couple of days after the acquisition That set off some warning bells. Maybe he's unhappy But it looks now as if he was just weathering the storm He actually he said I'm currently coding. He was essentially being like guys. I'm working Well, that's a blog post from from when that's from yesterday or the day before right? Yeah, I'm currently coding Yeah, that was pretty early on. Yeah, so he's like, yeah, I'm still coding just the same as I was this time last week So for all intents and purposes nothing has changed and that was echoing the idea that the Facebook acquisition hadn't changed anything Anyways moving on people were asking when I saw notch in the comments They were asking him a whole bunch of questions and they were basically saying please tell me it's going to be alright Notch replied with a lot of companies are working on VR now. This means competition This means better VR and higher chances of a mass market acceptance. This means even better VR It's going to be alright very small italicized print maybe so that echoes again The thing that we said earlier where no matter what you think about this It's pushing VR forward whether or not Oculus is what carries the torch in the end. They're carrying it right now People are saying to Palmer you were the chosen one You were supposed to destroy the Sith not showing them bring balance to the voice not leave it in darkness I just had to keep that in there because it was kind of funny now echoing one of the most highly upvoted Posts on the thread. These were a bunch of the concerns Facebook is known for its intrusive tracking of users Facebook is undoubtedly a massive company It is beginning to lose a lot of its teenage population due to more widespread use of the older population And the fact that Oculus has been acquired by Facebook Palmer has repeatedly said Partners partnership or partnering but they were acquired So he was worried about that terminology where it might just be kind of a haze and Palmer thinks they're partnering up But really Facebook is the one on top. So those were the the main things spoken there About the Facebook is known for intrusive tracking of users As far as I can tell if the if the lead people of Oculus still have anything to say about it That platform is gonna be really open and you'll probably know about it So that might be a bad thing. But again, Oculus is carrying the torch now So if later on down the line you see an update like the update we saw on on mobile that says like Facebook is now reading all of your text messages despite having nothing to do with those You should know about it. So just pay a lot of attention I mean Facebook's whole thing I don't see anything in your notes here But Facebook's whole thing has been where we want Oculus to operate pretty basically independently Just like what we did with Instagram and WhatsApp But my counter to that is I mean you look at Mark Zuckerberg's blog post Where he talks about the future of connectivity and how exciting these experiences we can deliver You know whether it's travel or whether it's having a face-to-face meeting with someone Or whatever it happens to be when he talks about that we're talking like a 10 year 20 year outlook And they acquired Instagram like two years ago and they acquired WhatsApp like So this is not a track record of acquiring companies and letting them operate independently This is in the last like little tiny amount of time Like since Linus Media Group has formed they haven't really disrupted things with their two big acquisitions So the fact that all this is being said now I mean you look at how quickly politicians can turn around and have a campaign and then go back on that And still get elected four years later The collective memory of people is so short that even if Facebook does exert complete control over Oculus Let's use four years as an example because that's the elected term in the US and Canada for politicians So even if Facebook does in four years exert complete control And four years after that plaster the whole platform with ads And use it as a way to collect data on where you go, what you look at And all of this great stuff probably no one will ever even remember this happened Except you Except for me Now we get into the poop storm That was the start of it and that was people honestly in that Reddit thread I found it to be more calm than elsewhere which was kind of confusing Things started popping up people started digging up things on both Facebook and Oculus So you want that one first? First thing yeah there's a really bad word in it First thing that comes to mind is a very old screenshot from a conversation that Mark Zuckerberg had When he said yeah so if you ever need any info on about anyone at Harvard just ask I have over 4,000 emails pictures addresses SNS etc And then the guy said how do you manage that? He said people just submitted it I don't know why they trust me dumb Well yeah we don't say that word on this show but you guys can read it's right there Yeah so like that's not cool especially because of speculation that VR devices are going to get things like eye tracking The fact that this thing is strapped to your freaking face So if you're looking at a certain product or something like that they know it's not just like in another tab You are looking at it with your face And I'm not blaming AMD for this but their true audio technology so the programmable DSP It's like a really powerful sound processor They showed us some really cool demos with respect to voice recognition So all of a sudden now hold on a second because we went from you know Not being too worried about people really tapping into anything that we're doing To all of a sudden is face to face conversation going to be the only way to actually not have anyone listening And are we going to allow ourselves to be convinced that aside from phone taps and messaging taps When you have a VR conversation with someone like I mean you look at the kinds of things The kinds of experiences that VR could bring us Do you want Facebook listening to everything you say when you have a family reunion and everyone's VRing in Because what a cool experience But they'll be able to recognize everything you say and use that information Facebook wants to own your information and that is what this is all about fundamentally And okay Zuckerberg said a really stupid thing in a text message And it's old And it's old and he was stupid and he was young And I'm sure he would be the first to admit that that was a super stupid thing to say And he would take it back 100% today if he could But it still happened But it did happen So you guys can read into that whatever you want But I do believe that while people don't change much I think they can grow up And I hope that that was just a young college guy having a And I think that's when it was only tied into Harvard and like a lot of things have changed since then Another thing that people are worried about with the Facebook thing is again all of your data blah blah blah blah And I know in one of Carmack's tweets he said like if you guys blog or whatever about this I'm going to pay attention So and he said like things that you're worried about in ways that can be fixed and stuff like that So if you do have to be listening that's really cool. Hi also Like creepiness factor try to control the creepiness factor make sure it's open make sure people know what's going on Because I think that's honestly the biggest reason why people are scared of Facebook is just the fact that Facebook can be really creepy So that's probably the biggest thing I'd say The camera that is now on Oculus people we don't really have it yet So we don't know if it's actually taking images or if it's only scanning for IR LEDs But who knows what will happen in the future. Maybe there's an actual camera fixed on that thing That you know what's scary is I would opt in for the camera model for sure I already yeah, yeah, like you okay, you have to that's currently DK2 Even if even if it was an option if someone was like look We can put an IR tracker one only and you can put IR You know kits around in your room or whatever else or we can give you one with a camera You can get like a skeleton frame. Yeah, no, I know and like that I would take the camera one even if I knew that they were looking At what I was looking at because it's gonna be such a great experience. I just wish a lot of people are going to do that So like I said, what we're worried about is the creepiness factor. So just try and keep that under control All right. What's our next one? Our next one is Oculus is not connected to Facebook. This is just kind of funny It's just kind of fun. I won't spend much time on this one taking a break from the hate So we're during the and now actually which is kind of hilarious. This was taken earlier today It's not like a yeah, I did. Yeah, I've seen people screenshot that that's my screenshot though Cuz I couldn't find it at the time but oculus had not connected with Facebook during the campaign and they still haven't on Kickstarter At least which is just kind of hilarious John Carmack may or may not even have a Facebook account There's a Facebook account for John Carmack up right now But it looks like super public figure Facebook account and like the title is Godfather of moving 3d images or something like that I doubt that he put that in there. Yeah doesn't seem like his style No, and it's not like verified or he did tweet that you'll probably have to get a Facebook account now But I don't think he's rushing to do it. He's probably busy coding because he's kind of awesome at that Anyways moving on to the thing that had me super pissed off at the beginning The reason why I thought the entire thing was just ruined and why I basically cried over Twitter for a little while and the reason That a lot of people felt this way this New York Times post was brutal and honestly where I think most of the hate came from Just jumping into saying what's exactly in the article according to a person a person involved with the deal Who was not allowed to speak publicly because he was not authorized by either company Facebook Eventually plans to redesign the oculus hardware and rebrand it with a Facebook interface and logo Which didn't even make any sense. No really like what does that even mean? But that's why that's one of the reasons why I was so mad right because the whole deal didn't make sense on the surface Social network acquiring VR gaming company and then it's like rebranding and then what yeah, what what is this exactly? since then Facebook has made their intentions much more clear and this was was Wholeheartedly denied it was hammered down, but it sat there for a while Yeah And let a lot of people stew and it was it was scary and I love how it's like a small part of that article too And it's not like a like a you know how they pop it out and make it big and make a different color and all It kind of stuff like the verge does they didn't do that with it or anything like it's kind of at the bottom But it's like the most important thing in the entire article, but yeah, that's been shut down Pretty quick. So no longer worry about that And then other things start coming out like the people are saying it's an internal call I've heard a lot of news that it actually wasn't an internal call. It was quite public, but I have no idea which is true Either way, I don't care It was as far as I know an investor call for Oculus and Facebook and there's some QA and Mark Zuckerberg's on the call And it's fairly interesting but almost all the way through the call There's the part that most people actually listen to I ended up listening to the whole thing But this is the part that people really cared about it's really long. I don't know if I'll actually read through the whole thing What I read it I'm fast sure go. All right So he says so this is from Zuckerberg. He says in terms of our business model. We're clearly not a hardware company We're not gonna try and make a profit off the device itself in the long term And we see this as a software and services thing where if we can make it so that this becomes a network So that people can be communicating and buying things like virtual goods There might be adverts in the world, but we need to figure that out down the line So that's probably where the business will come from but for the foreseeable future The main goal that we have is building out the product Using the different levers that Facebook has to make the technology affordable and to make it ubiquitous And to use the different technologies that Facebook has developed to bring it to market as soon as possible So there you go. That's the plan whether that makes it any less scary to you or not for me. It doesn't at all Clearly the plan is investing in the platform and making it successful So that's the priority and they will figure out the monetization later So it's the whole internet company startup model except this time being applied to an actual piece of hardware Because that piece of hardware is so directly tied into the software experience. They can't exist without each other now this Yeah, this scared and didn't scare a lot of people for multiple reasons It's good people because it was an internal call the second that came out everyone freaked out yet whether or not that's even true I don't know People only heard the advertisement part and freaked out one thing you have to remember Say that this is an investment call. This isn't this wasn't a this wasn't the public post on Facebook This was an investment call Mark Zuckerberg can't just be like well, yeah, I want to play VR games So I bought this company so that I can like make this thing even better I mean, I don't think that's it. Although it'd be super cool if he was like Facebook posts it's the most like oh my god I love this thing posts that I've seen of anyone ever so There may even be a little bit of that and we can hope for that because if he's truly passionate about the technology then I I kind of go okay? Maybe you'll be okay, but then probably not because in the future he'll still have to bend to the The needs of his investors and monetize the heck out of the platform Then by the time that happens you're talking years in the future. Yeah, something else will be there as well Yeah, it like doesn't matter there will be a competitor for rift So we have to hope that they build up the technology drive everything further make this stuff Because it profitable for developers to help for VR definitely and then hopefully competitors will jump in the fray because even if you're still a Huge fan of oculus. It doesn't matter competitors are good competition is always good. It drives innovation competition is good So anyways, okay, there's some other weird stuff So this is this is actually largely stuff that I haven't seen around a ton But things that I've noticed over the last little while so starting off with oculus dropping out of the immersive technology alliance Kind of awkwardly dropping out of the immersive technology alliance. So super awkward Yeah The immersive technology alliance is a nonprofit games collective that is focused on bringing stuff like augmented reality virtual reality 3d and gesture control Technology to the masses. It's it's an alliance. There's tons of these things. There's the DVD Alliance. There's There's tons of them Basically any standard whether it's like USB or Displayport is gonna have some kind of group of individuals or companies or investors or entities that Manage the standard and drive it forward because if they don't things get kind of insane usually so it's Like the high-profile virtual reality company oculus rift recently dropped over the this alliance But oculus claims they were never a part of it yet The ITA guys are saying they were a big part of it and actually helped them move from what they're previously known as which was S3 DGA to the newly named ITA and oculus actually had them like remove their branding from their website and everything It basically just dropped the ball moved back as far as they possibly could and say I was never playing which is Interesting and this is not the newest news This was from a little while ago. I think I actually shortly mentioned it on the show But because I didn't really know what it meant at the time. Yeah, I didn't make it a huge topic It's it's just weird and the timings a little bit off. So they basically the ITA is saying that they got their first official notification that oculus was leaving the Alliance late in the evening on March 15th Yeah, so this was like pretty pretty close to when the deal happened and it's just this article is super super weird It's on polygon.com. I don't think there's not a lot of comments on it and no one's commented on it since like the 18th, right? So it's yeah, it's I don't know I just find that's interesting because they got acquired by Facebook and then they locked off from the Alliance that's trying to make some Sort of standard so that's interesting then if you click on the thread So this is where everything kind of started. This is MTB MTBS 3d.com. I always screw that up which is where the Palmer was a huge member of this forum And this is where the the epic like massive three four thousand two hundred and thirty five post thread started And this is yeah, this is just a big deal and if you control F for Where is it sell out to a large company? You can see a big thread where he answers a whole bunch of questions and right in the middle of it He says oculus is going forward in a big way but in a way that still lets me focus on the community first and not sell out to a large company a lot of people were very upset about this comment because Community first not sell out to a large company. So now people are saying are you no longer community first because you sold out to a large company The problems with this are if you jump into the next one the big 75 million dollar investment that happened Not way too long ago the guy that did that works for Facebook Actually, if you check out the board of directors, which I also have linked here This is where I was telling you you're gonna get into rapid fire. I got this If you check out the board of directors, you can see him there Mark Andreessen, I believe You can see him on the board of directors for Facebook and he was a huge Investment pool right there and then quotes that have been fairly recently coming out of Palmer saying Oculus has already sold out by raising venture capital money because they had these Investors that were able to control them a little bit and Palmer said that a lot they already sold out and then they were acquired by Facebook the same company that their big 75 million dollar investor is on the board of directors for which is Really interesting and it also even seems like he was trying to tell us valve knew something on February the 28th This is a quote from an article where a guy from valve went to visit Oculus He said the demos stuck me in a simple room whose walls were textured with financial data for Facebook from some website an odd choice Yeah, there's a little red cube bouncing on the room and the desire to avoid it was extremely strong a dodgeball slash laserfield game Immediately popped into my mind. But as I mentioned before a tether really hurts this type of idea The part that I really paid attention to when reading this and this was actually brought to my attention I didn't notice this was the the financial data for Facebook from some website just being plastered all over the walls on February 28th It's interesting in combination with him saying that they were already sold out by raising venture capital and then having that just kind of randomly leaked out there. It's really weird to just do that. Anyways These are all the like random crap that I found over the last little while Another thing he's a little into this. Hey, I didn't really sleep much this week Another thing that happened was if you go to the corporate reddit attack or framing Was was weird ditto posts all over technology and gaming this was again, this is not a screenshot by me This is just something I found that someone else brought up But you don't really know what angle to go with this because Why would... Okay, we should explain what this is. Okay. Okay. Just so you in case you guys so basically Defending the deal like right after it happened. There were these what appear to be shill accounts popping up on reddit posting like copy paste Responses are very similar responses to people hating on it Okay, kind of all over the place and a lot of times they're very new accounts and stuff like that Yeah But it's that doesn't really make a lot of sense for the direction the angle is going to go I think it would make a lot of sense for the direction the angle that Anyone at Oculus was taking or anyone at Facebook was taking to be completely honest So we don't know whether or not this was it could have just as easily been someone trying to frame them destroy Any sort of positive sentiment that might have existed by pretending to be someone trying to defend what was going on in the most obvious? horrible guerrilla marketing way, so this is Interesting we don't know what side of the field that even plays on or did a whole bunch of people just happen to decide to copy And paste each other for karma that might have been it So who knows? Not sure looks fishy. Don't know which side of it. It's on it's just something interesting that we noticed Then things started popping up. This is again going through somewhat of a timeline Then started things things started popping up of basically every Kickstarter I've ever heard of Especially the ones that I've been a part of because I've now seen updates by a few of them being like whoa whoa whoa We're not selling to Facebook even like some super random stuff that has nothing to do with anything being like whoa guys. It's cool So people are Begging Chris Roberts not to sell the Facebook which I found hilarious That was the main one I wanted to show because we're we're fairly into star citizen So I wanted to bring that one out, but there's been stuff for tons of different kickstarters not just star citizen There's even I forgot to put it in here There's even a Kickstarter running right now that has a stretch goal of two billion dollars That's like we'll try to buy Oculus from Facebook, which is hilarious Someone was joking saying that there should be a two billion dollar stretch goal for CIG saying that It's preventing Facebook from buying CIG a lot of people were joking But there was actually some legitimate fear in there and it has started an interesting question on Kickstarters for technology so a lot of people feel like they're heavily invested in something when they kickstart it and feel like they should They're kind of a part of the company, but you're not yeah, you're donating and then you're getting something back for donating but you're not getting a part of the company back for donating and While it feels like that and the kick the the culture around Kickstarter is really heavily around like community Community and you're a part of this and this is this is you you made this happen blah blah blah blah blah Really you might have made it happen, but it doesn't matter You're not actually part of that company you're not invested and if you look at the Kickstarter They promised you a dev kit one You got a dev kit one or whatever other tier you were on whatever tier you were on so Any obligation that Oculus had to you is over And no matter how depressing that seems because honestly when I kickstart a lot of things I'm kickstarting it not necessarily just because I what I get back From what I'm donating at a lot of gaming I'm kickstarting it back from what I'm donating at a lot of games, especially A month or two after the release for a lot of these indie games are way cheaper than my Kickstarter price I'm kickstarting them because I want it to happen Yeah, but that doesn't mean that I have an investment in the company So then I mean maybe you're maybe you're happy about the Facebook thing because now it's gonna happen even more and better Supposedly I don't like there's too many of those. I don't think but that's that's possible Another fairly noteworthy rant to bring up. This was a good one. That was fairly early on this was on reddit And a lot of this happened on reddit. Um People just pointing out that holy crap. John Carmack is a facebook employee now um Go figure. Hey, it's it's just weird to think about like I don't even know what to say. It like hurts my brain It's just like wait, what? What anyways, but he's not he is but he's not like he's he's working for oculus. I don't know. Whatever. Um People posting facebook is an advertising company. They sell data so that they're paying customers the advertisers can target their marketing Um, and it wouldn't surprise it wouldn't surprise anyone if in a couple years You won't be able to use it without supplying data to facebook willingly or not eye tracking interest This part is me eye tracking what you're interested in and it's really easy to know if you're paying attention or looking at something When it's strapped to your face, can you imagine how? Effectively you can sell ad impressions or like how much more effectively? Uh graphic designers could design their ads to make it so that you look at them and all the kind of Subconscious crap that goes on that people don't even think about I mean when you go shopping at a store You ever notice there's like a double door in like every store That is a psychological thing. There's it there's this there's this buffer zone between Yeah, it's called the decompression zone not shopping and shopping that they have created very intentionally You know what's funny is when I was a kid. I always thought that it was like to keep the heat in or out I think that's what they say. Yeah, but it's it's known to be a decompression something There's other things too A lot of the tile in the middle of malls is shiny And then the tile in stores is not shiny or it's carpet or something like that It often it's really shiny faster and settle. Yeah, it's usually shiny in the middle of the mall and not super shiny in a store Blah blah blah blah. It's very bland and smells that they'll that they'll run through stores I mean all these things are designed to make you buy without even knowing why you're doing it and uh Eye-tracking is gonna be a real good way to make that even more effective That being said it is there's there's a bunch of posts In palmer's personal reddit account that talks about this type of stuff and we'll be getting into that later again We're going through in fairly linear lines. They know we're getting into that later. It's okay Um, so the community is mad about the change of pace This was a fairly interesting one because messages that came from car mac the cto of oculus vr And a very important dude saying stuff like for a certain segment of the population the hacker Maker-crowd is going to be awesomely cool to work with That was the message before the message now is this being from um Um brendan irb, I don't actually know how to pronounce his last name. That's really embarrassing the ceo of oculus vr Saying we believe virtual reality will be heavily defined by social experiences that connect people in magical new ways That's very different Than the heartbeat kind of idea that was oculus before which is like yeah hackers and makers it's more social experience now, which is Interesting, but then at the same time magical. Thank you. Mr jobs. Yeah. Yeah, this is a magical device At the same time though. This is two different people and if you talk to car mac He's still very gaming focused and if you talk to palmer, he's still very gaming focused This is just quotes that I got from a picture that someone posted on reddit. Um Brendan while this this is a specific quote again This is this is grabbing snippet quotes grabbing snippet quotes isn't always applicable if you go talk to Brendan at if you go watch some of his videos that he's been in at Conventions a lot of time he talks about gaming and some of them have been very recent. They're still talking about gaming He's just talking about an idea that they haven't really expressed as much necessarily in the past So i'm not sure how much that matters But a lot of people were up in arms about that something that was also really interesting was the are you done with vr? Strawpoll that came up which ended up being huge Um, i'm done with oculus vr dead to me was one of the options that had 11,032 votes when I last looked at it and was accounting for 50% of the votes Um, I I will withhold judgment for now and see how this plays out Only had nine thousand nine hundred and forty seven votes compared to the previous eleven thousand or something ringing in at 45 Cent of the vote. Okay, that's helpful. Um, and then the the part the people saying they're okay with facebook was only four percent, which is like Nothing, um, but then a lot of this was very very real This this this straw poll was created extremely early And I wish we could get every single person that responded on that to respond again and see how it would change I don't necessarily think the number of people saying that facebook is okay would necessarily increase Because no matter how you look at that look at this I don't think a ton of people are super stoked about the idea of facebook um But I think more people would probably side with the I will withhold judgment for now and see how this plays out Because if you have to put your trust in anyone Palmer karmak and all those guys Those are some people to put your trust in people have been describing karmak as the canary in the coal mine I don't really know any better way of actually saying that because that's Yeah, a good way if he had a problem with it, then we'd know about it and I guess at least we'll have a heads up When stuff's about to hit the fan because when karmak leaves oculus Then we'll know there's your heads up. There's your heads up and abrash joining like that's another person to pay attention to and follow and honestly if anyone can do it, it's these guys, so I hope they make it because I don't know. It's scary. Um Um, then then things start happening. I actually hold on a second. I actually created a new straw pool So we'd love for you guys to vote on this one I'm just going to post it in the chat a few times here so that you guys can see it Only click the ones that are posted by me because it's sort of a thing for people to just click make their own straw pools Anyway, so uh, go ahead check that out. We'd love to hear what you guys think And see how it compares to the original results. Okay, go ahead. All right So next we're moving into we're still in kind of negative stuff. So oculuscto bails on gtc due to illness Now if you try to go to this thread, it's not going to work Oh, okay. It was pulled down by nvidia's blog nvidia's blog was Amazing. It's too bad. We didn't uh, did you like I don't have a screenshot or anything I should have I should have thought about that, but there's a new post on nvidia's blog now actually Where if you can find that I should have put that in here. I was rushing near the end There's a new post saying like holy crap He's awesome because he ended up showing up ended up being a very last minute kind of ditch effort kind of thing They got about 100 people there just like at the very last possible second and he ended up talking to them and apparently it was great Yeah, here we go speaks at gtc. Yeah, very very different than their previous article Which was like begs off attendance blah blah blah blah like super not stoked. They're they're happy with him now But again, this is this was playing into the negative feeling of the whole internet where everyone's like, oh, he's not ill He's just trying to dodge our questions Honestly, I don't even necessarily think that was a thing. He was very possibly ill because of how much crap has been being thrown at them because like Busy it's yeah I don't know I doubt any of that team has really slept much not that you'd be able to relate to Becoming ill because no sleep and lots of work. Yeah. Yeah, I think people can probably remember that Um, although I bet you carmax fine because as far as I can tell he just like doesn't care and is still programming Which is kind of awesome Um, but the rest of the team especially palmer you've once we get to his reddit post seeking. Oh man I feel bad for palmer. Anyways moving on to notch's post so notch posted on twitter. Some people saw the retweet for me um essentially saying that he has no intention of Now creating a minecraft mod which he's planning on making an official one because he finds facebook to be creepy Uh, you heard our quotes earlier from when he was on the reddit thread. He's been very vocal in this So a direct quote is I did not chip in 10 grand to seed a first investment round to build value for face for a facebook acquisition Another quote is I definitely want to be a part of vr, but I will not work with facebook Their motives are too unclear and shifting and they haven't Historically been a stable platform. There's nothing about their history There's nothing about their history that makes me trust them and that makes them very seem very creepy to me Now before we get into those comments, I want to jump forward and to the scumbag oculus meme kickstarters edition Which is just kind of interesting and plays into what notch was talking about and we'll talk about that in a second And palmer's post when palmer bounces back at notch for posting that by saying things like he had the rift for over a year And hasn't even tried the unofficial minecraft mod um at least at the point of palmer posting that which is I i'm assuming based on information from when notch visited that office before the Facebook acquisition and he said it's easy to cancel a project that was never even really started anyways he has merit in both of those points, but Dun dun da I don't think a lot of comments that people have been pointing at him um coming from people like cliff bolinski and coming from um, uh even palmer himself and a whole bunch of people on the internet and the guy that posted this facebook post originally Are necessarily that accurate they're calling him childish and feeble and all this other kind of stuff um, whether or not it's because he just doesn't feel like doing the project and he wants to cancel it that doesn't seem very True necessarily, especially when he's saying I definitely want to be a part of vr I will but I will not work with facebook. He does kind of seem like he wants to be a part of vr I'm gonna have to take what he's saying on face value. He seemed pretty legit in the past Um, it does seem like he's doing it on moral reasons. He doesn't like facebook. So he's canceling the project That doesn't make him childish just because he doesn't like something. He doesn't want to work with someone I I don't necessarily agree with that But then again that's up to you to make that decision being childish might be taking it public You could always just cancel the project and not say that's very true And then because of something jumping on the reddit post and jumping on twitter and making it a huge deal Yeah, that could have been a childish action, but I don't think necessarily like that like the whole fez 2 cancellation thing Oh, yeah Would that have been less drama if he just cancelled it instead of saying i'm canceling it because you guys are so mean to me Yeah, maybe and that's that's a very good point I don't think the fact that he cancelled it is childish Maybe the way he went about it you can decide whatever the heck you want about that That's just something to throw it. So here's our new straw poll. So uh, there's been a major shift The major shift in the uh in the perception here So we had 300 votes for oculus is dead to me and a full 65 percent actually Okay, so 76 percent of you are either okay or withholding judgment Okay, which is interesting a massive shift and good timing because now we get into the shift Where reddit our own community twitter a lot of these different communities the The the the voice that was most heard is now changing to stop attacking them Let's wait and see all that kind of stuff instead of like direct and sometimes personal attacks and threats to people like which is ridiculous It's not okay Um, okay moving on so blah blah blah the hate the the hate now directed at those attacking oculus quotes from this are To to jump to personal attacks in an emotional tantrum esque way and abandon ship without actually realizing where this deal will go That's that's a pretty good quote and true to what a lot of people did. I got extremely sad I'm sure people saw my twitter account um, but that was mainly when I was getting stuff from the new york times saying that they're going to rebrand everything and Um a lot of the other information basically saying oculus is dead. That was depressing But once I found other things not nearly as sad um and another quote there saying chill and let's wait and see let's all wait and see which I think is Yeah, that's what i'm doing. At least i'm gonna wait and see i'm still very interested No matter what i'm not done with vr from you know this and a lot of my friends back in high school that I forced To try it including my girlfriend who didn't care at all. What was a good sport about it? Um back when I bought nia My neural impulse actuator that thing was sent to me but I don't care I know it's new ways of interacting with computers This has always been what i've cared about most and I find this incredibly interesting So whether or not it ends up being oculus i'm still totally in for vr um cliff bolinski weighs in This was interesting. Um I wasn't as interested as in this as many other things, but it is still fairly interesting because he gained a lot From this whole situation He was a really big early on investor and something that people have been attacking oculus over is why the kickstarter people Weren't allowed to be investors. That's like us law. That's not Oculus wasn't like yeah. No, let's just give them bk1s instead of Uh shares in the company. That's just how things work. They can't change how the united states works So you can attack them over different things, but that's not really gonna it doesn't matter No, uh, but he was he's an accredited investor or whatever the heck so he's able to do this kind of stuff Um, and he brings up some interesting points and some stuff that's scary and I hope never happens So he brings up the fact that facebook has a multi-million user reach and as people notice with Mark's promoted post he probably didn't pay for that He can probably push advertisements in a lot of different places getting a lot of different eyes on board without paying for it And quotes coming in earlier on where we were talking about how facebook is losing a certain audience and saying like oh But that's the audience that's going for oculus rift right now Yeah Okay, so they already have those people they don't necessarily need those people from facebook what they can Gain from facebook is the main multi-billion user reach of people that don't know what the heck oculus is. Yeah Um, they can push that out. They can talk to all those people. So that's that's good. Um He goes on to talk about whatsapp and instagram like we've talked earlier though But I think we share the same opinion which is like dude We haven't had enough time to see that happen at all at all like come on Especially whatsapp. Are you kidding? And we haven't seen instagram falter in any way And so we haven't seen how facebook will react when one of their acquisitions is all of a sudden Not looking like a great acquisition anymore. Do they just Slash the entire workforce. Do they like we've seen google do Um, a lot of people are saying why didn't someone like google buy it? Oh, that would have been worse. That would have been Scary that would have been really scary because if it doesn't do well for a second google's just be like lol Okay, bye And then they own all the patents and they'll do something completely different with it and that might be really cool, too. Yeah But Google doesn't seem to necessarily care too much about what they acquire and google operates on their own In their own dimension sometimes like they're and it's both great and terrible sometimes But they're they're thinking about things 10 years from now 20 years from now And they're because they just don't really care about making money on it today They might just let it sit there behind closed doors in development for another 10 years. Whereas with facebook They've been pretty clear. Hey, no the oculus rift for gamers is still coming You're gonna get the iterative the iterative hardware that comes on the way to us building our grand vision of it Google doesn't always do that. Yeah, you could build a self-driving car and just put it on the road Yeah, and it was amazing and then they're like, okay cool So it's when if we heard anything about that, it's like obviously safe They've totally proved that it's safe and then they're like, alright in the garage And that could have easily happened with this too. You we could have seen DK to come out or not It's Google who the heck knows and then CV one consumer version one could have come out in like 2020 or something It's like wall 20 K K P screen or whatever we have by that point. Who knows One thing that he brings up the The like oh now we're just gonna get farmville VR and stuff like that Like I touched on that earlier when I was talking about the negative points and I said, oh my god farmville 3d and Facebook pop-up updates everywhere. I Really don't think so. No, I think it'll be more subtle I mean, I think what they'll do is they'll offer game developers options like this is the way this is the way I could see it working maybe not step one and not step three where it's like Family reunions are all done through oculus VR But like a step one and a half or two where think about in-game advertising the way it's done now Where there might be like all of the crap. I forget what game did this was it battlefield 4 where they had like Coke vending machines and you couldn't knock them over they were like the one thing in the game that wasn't destructible and like I Don't remember. I don't remember what game yes, but it was like vending machines. So in game product placement Facebook could offer Oculus developers so developers for VR games the option to build Advertising into their game as a way to monetize their platform They could throw seed funding at them if they're willing to deliver that and this could be a way for us to if we're willing To put up with a little bit more advertising which I think people have proven time and time again that they'll protest about it But much like taxes, they'll just suck it up every time And they won't vote with their wallets until maybe we get to a breaking point and but we haven't seen it yet I'm interested to see what ad block does with this I'm interested to see what ad block does about this but that could be a great way for us to get more VR content Yeah, at least for now and support developers Yeah for maybe free to play that isn't necessarily microtransaction driven I'm gonna actually tangent for just a moment here and talk about bravely default Yeah, the game that I just recently started playing Would I have rather seen some like well integrated product placement in bravely default versus what they've done with sleep points? So a sleep point turn-based combat just like a Final Fantasy game basically except you can't okay I'm not gonna get into the combat mechanics. So Sleep points allow you to interrupt turn-based combat and act at any time So you can earn them either by leaving the game on with your DS and sleep mode plugged in presumably So it doesn't drain the battery for eight hours per sleep point or you can buy them And so basically you can buy the ability to like Go until the enemy dies kind of thing that to me is a lot more obnoxious than something like a little bit of tastefully applied in game advertising So like yeah, anyway, okay, go ahead good And he has a point and however they end up doing it who knows personally I would like the I don't mind product placement to be completely honest ad block ulus And like okay another thing that Cliff Polinsky brings up is the possibility of some sort of proprietary system, which everyone freaked out about and he's Hopefully completely wrong and super off-base because that's super dumb. Yeah But another thing that came out of that was the possibility of like maybe when you boot up your computer You load like the oculus store or something right and the oculus store is kind of like steam but has VR capable games you can buy other stuff like that and there could be other applications That's the idea of this whole system or even an oculus store from within steam Or that the way we've seen Nvidia integrate their tegra zone store within android that allows you to shop the google play store But a tailored version of the google play store i'd be totally okay with that And it makes sense because steam's actually been fairly or valve has been fairly recently talking about allowing different companies to have their own stores on steam So that makes an incredible sense. Except your cynical your cynical take on that was maybe they just don't feel like managing it anymore Yeah, maybe they're just like ah They can just do whatever the heck they want we'll still scrape all the money and it's fine Whether or not you think that's positive or negative That could allow something like oculus to have their own compatibility store essentially there and then maybe you can if that's a thing Maybe you could unofficially inject What was it called? Ad block ulus Ad block ulus yeah, maybe you could integrate that in some way I don't know the the cliff balinski thing is really long and I preferred other sorts of information All right, so Mark zuckerberg's actual post on facebook. I think it's a little bit of a surprise I think it's a post on facebook. I think clarified a lot So i'm just gonna go ahead and post this now this this is interesting because a Massive amount of people as far as I can tell don't really trust mark zuckerberg even if they like facebook really So this despite being Kind of positive for the people that may have been negative in the beginning A lot of people have been pretty sketchy about but it's interesting nonetheless, and hopefully we can hold them to the things that he says in here So here we go. Yeah, hopefully there's some accountability Yeah, so he starts off by saying um, a burst of gaming will be first and oculus already has big plans here That won't be changing and we hope to accelerate I don't even care what side of the fence you're on. That's good Um, like this has happened. We can't reverse it now. We have to take the good that we can And that is good We're focusing on helping oculus build out their product and develop partnerships supporting more games to support more games So again, we're gonna have to move a little faster here at six. Oh god. I didn't realize the show was essentially over already Um oculus will continue operating independently within facebook Um, and they want to achieve that blah blah blah whether or not that ends up becoming a thing or not Although right now it does seem like it's going to be and i'm sure karmak would have a ton to say if that doesn't stay Being a thing so we'll see how that goes Um, i'm trying to skip over things Uh, there's just some he talks about potential uses that i'm not going to directly quote this because I already talked about it earlier Yeah, okay. Yeah Okay, so let's move on all the potential uses yeah Yeah, we talked about things like using it as a way to connect with other people and yeah But he also brings up like medical applications court side seats at games something that i've talked about that I'm really excited about with vr already. Yep. Um, okay So so then we move on to palmer's reddit and this is incredibly long and already chopped down a lot despite the fact That we're gonna be skipping a bunch of things So I actually recommend going to his user account and checking his message log because it is very interesting and a really easy way to track the whole conversation Um, he's been asked a whole bunch of questions So these are some answers you will not need a facebook account to use or develop for the rift That will not be a thing. He has said that so far. Of course, he's no longer running the entire company So it's kind of a problem, but i'm sure There you would know anyways, um People have been this is a little bit messed up Anyways, uh people asked if I ever see facebook branding on anything that's not optional. I'm done He says that's not really reasonable in a literal sense, but he understands what the guy's trying to say Um, I think that comment spouted from the facebook branding on the oculus idea, right? Not necessarily. Yeah, not necessarily like a facebook style the oculus app store deal something like that I'm not i'm not sure that was a little bit shady anyways Um if I see any ads on anything that i've already paid for i'm done palmer says which makes a ton of sense As a developer decision, they're not going to be injecting things necessarily It's not their decision if someone wants to sell a game with built-in ads They will have to deal with the natural consequences of you not buying it He didn't say that you're not buying it part, but yeah Um, just promise me we there will be no specific facebook tie-ins Um, he says I promise which is good Um, he talks about it more saying would you rather me sell to someone like microsoft or apple? So they can tear the company apart use the pieces that we have to build their own vision of virtual reality We talked about this earlier Um one that fits their current strategy they have not a chance So you can tell that he believed in this acquisition at least some amount Um the key points that he brings up too is we can make custom hardware We brought this up earlier. Yeah, um, we can afford to hire everyone we need We brought this up earlier. We're going to talk about this late Uh a little bit further on and we can make huge investments in content So the only thing that i've really seen them do in a big form was evr Eve virtual reality valkyrie, which looks amazing. So hopefully there's more of that kind of stuff in the future Um, another thing that you should go read into is carmax tweets Again, I guess i'm not going to jump into these too in depth because this show could probably go on for four hours Um, and i'll just talk about it more in the after party. So be sure to show up for that. Um I like carmax carmax is a really good guy and one of the things that he posts up on there Let me go to his twitter real fast Um Was I would expect facebook not to exert any overt control over oculus unless oculus fumbles badly a few times at which point they should That kind of makes sense Um, and he asks people what are the hazards what should be what should be done to guard against them And what are the tests of failure blog and i'll read so in the end he's going to be the one to do that What are the tests of failure blog and i'll read so if you guys have opinions talk about it and they will pay attention That's very cool. Anyways jumping forward off of carmax tweets. We talked about some of those early on as well oculus hires michael abrash This is huge and this I think honestly there was already a twist towards the positive Yeah, and then this happened and then everyone was just like so this was today Yeah Like huge positive outcome when this happened And some people freaking out saying that now valve is ruined, but I don't think valve ever intended on releasing anything anyways Yeah, so I think it makes a lot more sense that he's now working for oculus Um, so he was working on vr at valve. Yeah for context. Yeah, uh abrash and Carmac worked together in the past on some really big things and they're both very happy that they're coming back together, which is really cool um, they met in 1994 1995 and worked on stuff like quake which is kind of a Huge deal. I'm gonna skip over a bunch of this again. Let's just go ahead and post the link here You guys should definitely check this out Yeah, it's the thread on on oculus's actual website So now people have been talking about canceling their pre-orders and I don't know what i'm gonna do next topic or riot. Um Starting in one minute you guys got another minute to do that because of the delay Any more of that you will be perma banned and we are not lifting bans anymore. So give it a rest Um, do you want to cancel your terms or sorry? Do you want to cancel your order? There's terms that we can post that'll be in this doc. Um Are you sure you want to cancel though? There's been a lot of people Trying to cancel and then trying to stop their cancel so they can keep their spot in line You can cancel your pre-order before it's shipped so you have a while still so don't worry about canceling it immediately if you're thinking about it You can kind of sit on that topic or just go and cancel it although careful because it's an email cancellation It's not like an automated one. So it might take a little while for them to reply just hold in there And you'll lose your spot in line and you'll lose your spot in line Um, something interesting to bring up is the photo of their like facebook kind of thing that they had at their old hq Which if you zoom in really closely says warning facebook may cause loss of time poor work ethic obesity social disorders And possible interference of destiny use it your own risk and then the facebook thumbs up, which is hilarious Yes goes to show you just what their attitude was towards Facebook the website if not facebook the company. Yeah Um oatmeal made a joke. We're basically at the end now oatmeal made a joke about this apparently a year ago Which i'd never seen until earlier today Which was talking about um strapping facebook to your face essentially if you actually go look at it. There you go Um, so he talks about essentially like the world around me is so very very loud It begs me to slow down to sit down introducing facebook for your face I like it and then saying eventually we'll just like lay down and die which is Kind of hilarious and then yeah meal i'll talk about it more in the after party But that's essentially what happened you're going to talk about this more on the after party. I just skipped like okay So when the news first came out we uh, we knee-jerk reaction. We created this shirt And it wasn't ready because district lines is kind of kind of slow sometimes so here's the shirt Um, so it just says it's it's an oculus eye. So it's actually it's not even the oculus eye It's just somewhat similar because we don't want any trademark infringing things on a shirt like this Uh, so it just says I dislike facebook In the context of the stuff that's happened over the last couple of days So district lines took a while for this shirt to come out and so by now so much positive news has come out around it That I think neither luke nor I are feeling quite as down about the whole thing Well now it's not being completely rebranded anyways Yeah, so now like well like there were concerns like they were gonna rebrand rebrand it based on that new york times article Which still hasn't been pulled down No Which is interesting to me anyway Um, so if you still feel strongly about the whole thing if we sell like 50 of them Then i'll still print it otherwise i'm gonna cancel the order and I think that cost me like 15 restocking fee But I it doesn't feel as relevant to me and things have literally changed Yes, a lot has changed since we created this shirt another way to look at it I'm probably still interested in kind of getting one is I still like oculus and I still don't like facebook I disliked facebook before this whole situation and I still dislike facebook that doesn't change So if you guys want it order it if you don't we're not making it. So there you go It doesn't matter. Okay, and now everyone can rejoice because The oculus topic is over and we're moving into our sponsors for today So sponsor number one. Hey, we're gonna oh, that's the wrong one. Well, it's still intel but slightly more different. So Linus media group is going to pax east. It's going to be luke and brandon And this is mostly just a call out. Did I say brandon? What? I can probably go talk to them there To where who what oculus will be at pax east. Yes, they will So luke and brandon will be there covering the show there will be actually I feel this is a good opportunity to promote this There will be a build-off Between the one and only slick pc and the one and only paul's hardware So paul from newegg.tv they will be doing a pc build Showdown and I can't promise that there won't be any hijinks or shenanigans Higins throughout the entire thing both the linus media group and newegg tv crews Will be filming the event and it will be streaming live on twitch tv Due to a partnership between newegg and twitch tv and of course, we love twitch tv as well We happen to be streaming there right now, although I don't have to endorse twitch tv in any way Maybe i'll just say negative things about them just in case john is watching right now twitch sucks john Um, anyway, so twitch will be streaming it live, which means that there will be no opportunity for any hijinks to be not streamed Higin Now everyone knows that's something anyways. No, maybe nothing will happen Maybe i'm just trying to get them to watch so that I get my big fat paycheck from intel It could it could be it could be that overt So anyway guys Stay tuned our other sponsor is hotspot shield and hotspot shield has kind of an interesting thing going on right now They want you to design their new Slogan, so i'm just gonna see if I can actually find it dang it I should have had the link ready before but hotspot shield is Allowing you to come up with a new slogan and what they're doing is they are giving away a bunch of elite accounts as a way to promote the contest so Uh hotspot shield is the easy way to set up a vpn their elite service in particular is the one we recommend the Complaints that i've seen about hotspot shield on the forum or wherever else tend to be about their ad supported free version And let's just do a brief rundown of how a vpn works and why you have to pay for one because it's basically Triplicating the amount of data being transferred back and forth If you go to a website instead of hotspot shield or instead of you just communicating directly to the website Well, I guess duplicating sorry, okay So instead of you just communicating directly to the website There is an intermediary hub and that's going to be hotspot shield server So you send data to them they forward it to the website and then it goes that way back again So sorry doubling doubling the data being sent back and forth. So that means there is an actual bandwidth cost associated with a vpn that's all there is to it a vpn that is free will be ad supported or supported in some Other way, so unless you're paying for it, you are going to be stuck with some kind of intrusive ad service So that's why I recommend using offer code linus to get 20% off elite It's super easy to set up and vpns allow you to Hide who you are and where you're from from the websites that you're visiting Because all the traffic looks to them as if it's coming directly from hotspot shield It allows you to circumvent geographical restrictions in this way So if you wanted to watch, you know us content and you're in the uk or uk content You're in the us All you do is configure hotspot shield to tell the website where you're from somewhere other than where you're actually from you can Go ahead and get around things like firewalls or censorship So that's one of the things that's really good for and I have finally located the link for the redesign the slogan In contest so you can go ahead and it's actually on facebook lol Someone has also told me that the contest is apparently over. No, I think it runs till uh, april 4th. All right, something like that Well, then I guess they're wrong. I don't know. I just saw someone in the twitch chat be like the contest is over by the way Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, okay Well, they told me april 4th, I guess if it's over tell you what if it's over guys Let me know and i'll arrange some giveaway elite codes anyway, and we'll do like a giveaway on the forum or something Cool. So there you go. My misunderstanding could turn into free hotspot shield accounts We actually did a giveaway a little while ago So guys try try out the uh, the trial you don't actually have to start paying for it right away You can just get a trial at bit.ly slash hs share And if you like it then let us know and we'll we'll see if we can arrange for something to happen Even if I might have totally screwed that up All right. So moving into our next topic here that is not oculus titan z Dun dun dun Everyone was super unhappy wasn't a gaming card. You know what? I don't even Okay, titan z is moderately interesting and the people are upset that nvidia is branding this as a gaming card But it'd be okay. Yes, it says g-force Of course. Yes, it has titan branding the most recent of which to contain that branding was marketed Sort of as a gaming card, but this is not a gaming card Jensen came right out and said this is for people who want a supercomputer next to their desk It is it it doesn't make any sense for a gamer to buy a titan z He didn't say that part because you know I think in his statement was more along the lines of I mean if gamers want to buy it then great Then do they great but I mean titan's been selling like hotcakes, but it's mostly intended for kuda developers the only advantage Of titan over something like gtx 780ti So we're talking about the single gpu versions is the double precision performance of titan Which is only useful in a production environment a coding environment double precision doesn't mean your games run more accurately No game takes advantage of the aim better. Yeah, you'll aim better So you combine that with aimbot and a sniper button and like flames painted on the side of your pc Why not speed holes speed holes? So titan z is not a gaming card. Why is it three thousand dollars? It's three thousand dollars because the kind of work it is intended to be used for Would allow a budget of three thousand dollars to spend on a compute card for it That's why it has 12 gigs of ram so 6 gigs per gpu And it's intended to allow a higher density of gk 110 graphics cores to be installed in a single machine In a desktop type work environment. It is not a gaming card, but Because it happens to be g force and it will use g force drivers You can game on it if you want a quad sli gk 110 experience You'll just have to pay more But that same experience would be available to you if you bought four gtx 780 ti's For a grand total of 2800 dollars And that would cost you six grand in titan z's and you will get the same performance Unless you really need the six gigs of frame buffer per card in which case you could still buy four titans And water cool them and spend like fifteen hundred dollars less anyway It's not a practical solution. It wasn't intended to be the internet needs to get over it Um, oh there's a couple things so for context. Uh, oh wait. So yeah Old titan was something I think anon tech is estimating that it'll be clocked at around 700 megahertz based on the uh based on the Gigaflops or teraflops or whatever that nvidia is quoting Uh, so that would be well below the performance of the titan black. So not only would that other solution be cheaper It would also perform better faster. This is something that really just kind of I Part of me is outraged and part of me is like, yeah, this makes sense asus has a gaming branded B85 board So this is an intel lga 1150 board it supports, you know, four dim slots Supports dual graphics cards. It's got better on board sound and like like it's got like a gamer friendly color scheme It's not cool, but it is not Overclockable the b85 chipset does not support overclocking at all so I would love to see you guys hit us up with a straw poll here I'm gonna post this in the current audience is gonna like this too much. I don't think they will either but Yeah, I have I have okay our discussion though While we wait for the straw poll results is that there's probably a large amount of people that aren't going to overclock and want to Buy a gaming board is your is your cpu overclocked? Actually, technically right now it is. Okay, don't well mine's not I know and mine wasn't not that long ago It doesn't really matter right now. My graphics card is definitely when star citizen launches I will overclock the snot out of my cpu. My graphics card is overclocked like crazy, but I don't like Yeah, I know not my cpu So there you go That that's that's the that's the cold hard truth is not every gamer is an overclocker an enthusiast and for so long Over clocking boards were lumped in with gaming boards because the assumption was that gamers were tweakers But most of the hardcore gamers I know are not that into the hardware. Well, my hardcore gamers not like My reason is I have a profile locked in for my CPU that I have a multiple profiles. Actually. I have my like my stock my like low overclock medium overclock and like Ridiculous overclock and I have it currently on like a medium which is not really pushing it that hard, right? Because my ridiculous one is insane, but when star citizen starts really pushing my computer I'll just be like click lol, but then the lifespan of that CPU is gonna go Just cuz I'm pushing it way too hard and I know that alright Nvidia looks beyond Maxwell This is posted on hardware Canucks. So actually for a while they were saying Volta was coming after Maxwell But now they have removed Volta from the roadmap and replaced it instead with Pascal Which is gonna deliver unified memory 3d memory and NV link and I'm actually not sure Which is the most interesting out of all of these things? So 3d memory has been talked about for a while It's gonna be instrumental of Pascal and video claims They will be able to provide several times greater bandwidth which is gonna be incredibly important for resolutions beyond 1080p They're saying more than twice the memory capacity and quadruple the energy efficiency. And when you look how energy efficient Maxwell is already We could be looking at some seriously powerful Hardware in very small spaces powering like cloud gaming experiences within the home or whatever else the case may be talked about that a lot Last week the other big one to me is NV link. So here's a little picture. That's also courtesy of Hardware Canucks Thank you Hardware Canucks for posting this. I love you Mike showing what NV link will be exactly So we're not necessarily expecting NV link to replace. Oh, you guys can't see that part of the traffic. I'm sorry There we go. It's really okay. Well, whatever my mouse my mouse is here. So there's a little PCIe link labeled here So it's not gonna replace PCI Express or anything But NV link will be an efficient way for the GPUs to communicate with each other So it would replace the current SLI bridge much like AMD has done with XDMA on their R9 series cards on the very very high and the R9 290 series cards But this will augment PCI Express allowing the GPUs to communicate with each other and again Not just for crossfire or SLI type dual graphics functionality But instead for compute functionality giving them a much more efficient means of working together We could there and video saying this is gonna be twice as efficient as PCI Express 3.0 and they call it feeding the appetite for big data. So You know how much better could graphics cards work together in terms of frame pacing or whatever else if they had super high-speed interconnects if they had you know double the memory bandwidth or several times the memory bandwidth to work with Well, also hopefully this will help with just chopping and general crappiness that comes along with multiple GPU setups Yeah, so that maybe we will all kind of embrace it more and that's probably what they're going for Way better. All right, so more bad news for Bitcoin Vercure X has just gone Insolvent that was about four days ago So they're basically the funny thing about what they're doing is at least they're being a bit more communicative about it than Mount Ergox was but they're saying okay. Well, we can either just shut down now because we're like out of bitcoins or We can try to continue operating and then like pay that back slowly But if we just shut down now We're just not gonna be able to pay it back at all And then one of the advantages of bitcoins up till now is that taxation on them hasn't been very clear Well new IRS rules in the US Anyway are now considering Bitcoin property So now it's property so you will pay taxes on it in much the same way as you would another investment or capital assets such as well property So land or anything else like that So a payment made using virtual currency will be subject to information reporting to the same extent as any other Payment made in property. I don't know if you guys know this But technically if I'm here in Canada anyway, if you make a deal with someone that is a barter agreement So if I say, you know, I'll fix your computer to a plumber and the plumber says, okay I'll fix your sink. We should both be reporting and paying taxes correctly on the Base value of what those services would have been The laws are very clear about this. So cryptocurrency has existed on this sort of We don't know what to do with this cloud for a little while. That's not the thing that's going to be happening anymore All right, which isn't to say that it will necessarily be enforced everywhere. It just means that You'll be legally responsible for it. Not having been enforced Yeah portals coming to shield which there's not a whole lot else to really say about this other than It's happening now and video has been saying hey guys, we're gonna deliver last gen Console grade experiences on handheld. They've been saying that for what's happening now Because portal that's a last gen console game and valve will be porting it to android So their their blog post is actually pretty darn interesting. You guys should have a read of it later on I'm just going to post this in the twitch chat Boom, you guys should check that out. Very very cool Not that relevant to me or really to anyone in general Who owns a shield necessarily because you already have game stream, which is already definitely a good enough experience To play portal with I played through the entirety of portal 2 on nvidia shield using game stream I didn't touch my pc for the entire game actually quite enjoyed it. I just finished it. Did I tell you that? Yeah, yeah really good Obviously nothing compares to portal one It's good though, like I couldn't have really asked for it Much more. Nope. Good game. And then the steam workshop makes it so epic Because you can just download custom maps. I don't even really enjoy Solving portal puzzles that much You just like the storyline. I just really enjoyed the the atmosphere and the humor and the story GLaDOS is a fantastic character With or without caroline. So yeah, really really enjoyed it. No one wants to hear about ancient games though more about shields So here are the release notes of their upcoming firmware update or well, oh, what the hell is this? Oh, I guess this is old release notes where you'll can stay tuned in a few days There are going to be some new fantastic release notes because shield in the short Nine or ten months or however long it's been on the market has evolved significantly From kind of a nifty android gaming device that had this weird like pc streaming feature in beta That actually worked pretty well at launch but is better now to something that is a very Compelling gaming platform compared to pretty much anything else that you could buy from a handheld gaming perspective So now on top of game stream on top of um the tega zone store where you can buy tega optimized games Game stream works outside of the house. Nvidia has said on the conference call that we were no you weren't on it I was on it. You had to talk to new egg tv Ha anyway, I was talking to nvidia. Well, he was talking to new egg tv That's just even I'm sorry, but like That just doesn't even sound cool. Um, so Nvidia's saying you're gonna need a strong Mobile network connection or whether you're on someone else's wi-fi Like if i'm at the office here and I want to game stream something at my house You're gonna need five megabit up and down in both places for other games to work with You're gonna need five megabit up and down in both places for optimal communication between the devices or I mean they've even said you could do it on You know 4g lte But you're gonna need five megabit up and down on both ends for a good experience and the way it works Is pretty similar to grid beta. Have you tried that yet grid beta? Yeah. No, I asked you last week. It's on your shield already Oh, no, I wiped it before I gave it to you. Okay, check it out. Try grid beta I also have to install that access point though. So streaming from Nvidia's servers down in California to here works Like you can play street fighter So anyway game stream works outside of the house Wake on LAN and remote login support is coming So this is a great feature for people who don't want to leave their pc on all the time Or like the number of times i've been in bed and i'm like, yeah, I want to fire some oh my computer's asleep Get up and go turn it on and I'll just log in and go back to bed and play my game. It's like well if I wanted to get up I would have gone and played on my computer so That's being addressed. Can you install mobile team viewer on your? Yeah, I could but I'm just like lazy Um, and that wouldn't help with wake on LAN. All right notebook gpu support is coming So you'll be able to game stream from your geforce kepler based gpu laptop Which is very exciting for folks who have notebooks bluetooth keyboard and mouse support is coming in console mode The new tegra zone has been redesigned to help you find compatible games even better Although I almost never touch android games on it. They all kind of suck I mean no offense to android games But like compared to pc games that I can play on the thing my shield almost never leaves my home I just play pc games on it. Um, it's gonna get android 4.4 kitkat Better fps and bitrate controls much like what valve has been adding to in-home streaming You're going to be able to say okay. I want this bitrate. I want this fps and you're gonna have much more granular control They have a better game pad mapper with a more intuitive ui So you can take android games if you play them and then you can remap your buttons to the screen in an even better way And for a limited time it's only 200 bucks So for a month nvidia shield is 200 and at that price, I think it's a great value. I would buy one I'll say that outright. I've even just watched videos on it. It's a lot easier to manage Especially while you're in bed than your phone. Oh, yeah, we haven't talked about this. Is it a tablet? Yeah I use it like a tablet because I was able to just like kind of prop it up And you've never even been sold on the whole tablet concept. Well, i'm still not sold Okay, but another thing that i'm really excited for is when hearthstone gets moved to tablets right phones phones Um so that I can install it on my shield that'll make shield so much better because hearthstone I've always been like this is really cool But I want to be playing something a little bit heavier while i'm at my computer and say this because this is just weird Whereas if you're like just in bed, i'm just like, uh, i'm chilling but can't sleep yet It's like all right play a card game like hearthstone. All right, so it's fun. It's just Freaking awesome sitting at my computer. I'm just like I love shield for 200 dollars. That's a no-brainer for me um, okay, so nvidia I also talked a lot about direct x12 on mccall and some of this stuff was Uh pretty relevant. So I I teased this at the beginning of the show but uh mantle support is not coming to nvidia gpus near you No matter how open amd makes the platform um, and I don't care anymore The mantle hype train like I think it was To me both you know what i'm gonna criticize both of them right now AMD really mismanaged the mantle hype train in much the same way that nvidia has mismanaged the g-sync hype train And both really cool technologies looked really important talked about way too early. No follow through no follow through yet, I mean g-sync monitors are coming but G-sync monitors need to be ubiquitous Every monitor needs to be a g-sync monitor anything branded to gamers needs to be a g-sync monitor And pricing needs to be reasonable and we might see that in a year or two years Um, and then mantle same thing it needs to be everywhere or it's not going to make a ton of sense at launch Yes, so um Nvidia made some really interesting points about direct x12 so 79 percent of the direct x11 gpus according to the steam survey support direct x12 While 39 no it was less than that. I thought it was like 11 support mantle or something Oh, no 39 percent of the direct x11 gpus, but no that math isn't right. Okay. These are old notes I'm sorry, uh, they updated the numbers, but it was like much much lower support mantle And uh star they're saying star swarm is better with the new 780ti direct x drivers than the 290x with mantle So there's a new driver coming. Um, are those really properly compared gpus? They are not quite But it depends on the pricing of 290x. Yeah, but only in north america. Is that really happening? It's enough better than 290x that even at msrp. They're about equal in terms of price to performance So if direct x12 or even direct x11 updated driver can be equal to what amd is already delivering with mantle in star swarm I was saying the other way around though 780ti is Unproportionately expensive is it not? No because it performs a little better and it's a little more expensive than a 290x 290x is 600 780ti is around 730 is it really everywhere? I don't know. This is just based on the lowest prices. I could find for both of them on new egg Yeah, but that's msrp though. That's not jacked up prices. Okay. Yeah, it's all good. Everything's okay so if they can deliver the same performance with the new direct x11 driver that amd can deliver with mantle on a admittedly mantle optimized benchmark And direct x12 is going to improve things even further then um Yeah, unreal engine 4 will support direct x12 and nvidia says they've been working on direct x12 for four years so this isn't a knee-jerk reaction for microsoft like Ignoramuses like us might have assumed when we went. Oh, I guess they're talking about direct x12 so early because they're reacting to mantle Um, nope, not so much So there you go guys Whatever ends up happening. We're probably all going to be gaming on windows for the foreseeable future Unless I mean a lot of good news came out about open gl last week as well um Or somehow mantle figures things out or I don't know I think we're probably gonna be pretty much done here. Let's do two more. So our better than beaver segment this week We need music that goes along with this Is that the titanic 2 is coming to uh, actually no, it's real. It's not it's not it's not a movie It's not a game. This was kind of weird new cruise ship to be built by eccentric uh billionaire clive palmer and will be as His has accurate to the experience of the original titanic as makes sense or probably more so So the third class passengers will be in like cramped horrible rooms before below water level And the first class passengers will be in these opulent beautiful mahogany covered rooms Just like the original titanic um Palmer did when when asked about unsinkability Hold on. Let's just see if I yeah when asked if uh about unsinkability He did not go as far as to call it unsinkable a jinx famously applied to the original vessel Anything will sink if you put a hole in it palmer joked uh, and they are expected to Um to set sail in 2017. The ship is currently being built in china It's kind of I don't even know what to think about it. If you were gonna go on a cruise no It don't care at all. Okay, if you were gonna go on a cruise Would you go on a cruise on a titanic replica? No Okay, because i'm gonna pay so little that i'm gonna get stuck in that crap shoot Underwater level i'm gonna hate it. I'm not gonna care about the experience of living in like essentially a jail cell at the bottom of a boat And i'm just gonna be like this is super dumb. Is it that different from working here? No All right really important law change in the uk disc media ripping will be legalized this summer in the uk This was posted on the forum by Matthew sis sanzo and the uk government has published a guide informing consumers That an upcoming revision of copyright law will legalize cd and dvd ripping for personal use Good that wasn't even a slow clap. I'm sorry if that came across that was a like very satisfied That was like this should have happened 100 billion years ago. The original source is torrent freak here Um, it's coming into effect in the june july time frame and the law is still very clear That if you make a backup it is for personal use it is not for you to put on a You know like server that you rent somewhere and then give everyone in your dog access to that's not what this law change is intended for You can still sell your physical media, but you will be expected to delete all of the backup copies You're still very much expected to buy media But you will be allowed to play it back on any device you own Well, this is so weird right now Like some of the laws going around about this because like you buy a song and then it's like the only medium you can play it on iTunes! Is itunes or like if you buy a physical copy of the disc in a lot of places It's like good luck carry on a cd player with you Yeah, like they're like no you you can't copy it to your mp3 player because that's another copy and it's like what the hell is even happening Yeah, so i'm happy that something like this stepped in. I mean people do it anyway, like it's gonna happen But you might as well legalize it so we can stop seeing discussion on it about it anymore And like what's-his-name's-mom going to jail for 80 billion dollars because her son downloaded five songs Like this is just stupid. Well, that's different. That's we're I know Okay, not downloaded then copied off of his own thing. It doesn't matter the same thing happens Yeah, we're tired of this whole thing and people that didn't actually do anything wrong wrong I mean I I think there's still going to be some debate because what about families? Is my wife allowed to listen to my song? But then like your wife is allowed to wear your shirt Yes But the law says it's for personal use and they specifically say not to give friends access. Is my wife my friend? Are my kids my friends? I don't know I mean valve is opening up family sharing for games, which is really cool, which is really cool But that doesn't mean that this law allows like, you know If I if I play this song at a party, is that a public demonstration? Did I own the rights for that? Like all that stuff is still very gray area in terms of ownership But you know like because they specifically say if you have like a nas you can't give your friends access to it And to to play back this media. Yeah, but like my family is going to have access to my nas. Yeah, so So yeah, that's weird All right. Well, I think that is pretty much it for the show this week Um, I was planning to do my first impressions of the htc1 m8 But I think we've somewhat run out of time. I will have a review coming so far I'm actually pretty impressed with some things that I wasn't Expecting to be impressed by I have 42 battery on it having used it quite heavily Normally my old one runs out during the show Because i'm using navigation to like go run errands on my way back from ncix And i'm on my phone like constantly at ncix because I don't bring out my computer there to You know read the the document for wanshow and all that kind of stuff and I have 42% right now Which is pretty impressive. The camera is Is actually quite strong In spite of the lack of asking for straw poll results, but do you even have that link still? Yeah, I probably do actually i'll grab that. Sorry about that guys Um, the camera is really really strong the build quality feels even more solid I think it's going to be a bit of a mixed bag in terms of how people perceive it When I went to the bell store last night to get a nano. Okay, I guess i'm doing my first impressions of the m8 All right. So when I went to the bell store last night Um, I I said I needed a nano sim and they were and they were like, oh, why do you need one of those? Did you get an iphone? And I was like no I uh, it's for um this and I pulled out of my pocket like everyone in the store who worked There was like oh and like ran over and came and looked at it and the reaction was very positive there to the metal seamless backing Whereas some people are complaining that it's too slick and almost Plasticky looking like I showed it to someone at ncix today who was like, oh well Why would they take metal and make it look and feel as much like plastic as they possibly could? Overall the construction and the flex of the phone is a very strong point for it So the metal construction is definitely doing something It's just whether or not you prefer that or not is up to you It is a little bit bigger which i'm finding a little bit awkward right now as I go through that transition period again But it's only about 0.3 inches um The voice quality on it is outstanding I I usually comment on voice quality in my reviews and I kind of say well It's a phone you put one end to your face and the other end to Someone else's face and there's a wireless link between them or something Um, and it sounds all right, but this one really blew me away with how good people sound Through the hand through the handset Uh blink feed has I quite like sense 6.0 so far. It's really subtle They haven't it doesn't feel that different from the stock google ui really and maybe part of it Is that I started out with sense whereas a lot of people started out with with other skins But I I quite like it It doesn't get in my way at all and they've added a few little subtle things like the double tap to wake up Is there now there are some gesture controls that right now are a little bit hit or miss So for example if you lift it up and then press the volume button There you go that launched the camera, but it doesn't work 100% of the time Camera modes again, very very cool. So you can do things like um here I'm going to show you guys this because it's actually like quite neat Okay, so here i'm going to get jake the dog behind you there Okay, and then i'm going to get up and refocus that so you guys can actually see this so some of the Yeah Just going to point the mic at myself. So some of the camera effects that you can do are kind of neat So let's just see what the And there we go. All right. So here's a picture of this guy So we're going to go ahead and edit the picture so their refocusing feature It's not perfect, but check it out so I could focus on jake the dog if I felt like it. There you go And it it detects reasonably well what's in the foreground with those dual cameras in the front That's kind of neat. You can only really apply one effect at a time Which I was a little bit disappointed with but you can go and you can apply like effects to the background Obviously, they're going to need to add more than four of them to make this worthwhile as a feature Um, but I mean we saw them add more things with their uh with their gallery viewing features in the past Some of the stuff is just kind of goofy like let's put like blossoms all over him or something But this is neat. So they have kind of like a parallax effect So you can see a little It's mostly faked But it still is like kind of neat you can see the boxes behind him are kind of like stuck to his head there A little bit so so there's that um, and then I haven't actually tried touch up yet, but let's uh Let's do anti-shine Yeah, that's a face Okay done I don't know if that did anything. Okay. Well either way, um I think the biggest challenge whoops, we're out of focus I Think the biggest challenge for the m8 is going to be the price because a year ago or two years ago Um 700 for a flagship phone was like, okay, that's how much a flagship phone costs Whereas now with the nexus 5 at 350 for the equivalent memory model You better be delivering 350 of additional value and the fact that it's missing wireless charging to me is a huge knock against it Especially because we're still using micro usb We're still stuck with the standard and the micro usb port recently failed on my one which i've only had for about a year So that's a good point micro usb ports failing strikes again for linus because he has like the worst Luck ever or he's a terrible person or whatever whatever your perception of micro usb might be It doesn't work very well for me and wireless charging is a really good way to not have to wear out the connectors on your phone Unnecessarily the screen is absolutely beautiful, but we've come to expect that from htc like it's Really good Even though the pixels per inch the the actual pixel density is slightly lower than the old one because of the larger screen And 1080p resolution. It looks absolutely beautiful. It's extremely snappy um, I guess that's pretty much all I have to say for now, so There you go All right Oh, I like their new uh sound scheme Sound scheme? Yeah, like the the noises it makes when you like do things okay? Yeah, like samsung's like super stupid one htcs was always okay. I like the new one even better cool Thank you guys very much for tuning into the wandshow this week I hope you enjoyed it as much as we did Wandshow oculus edition coming to a theater near you if you thought this was great and you need to see more news on oculus Maybe we can do a full feature length oculus Wandshow and well i'm i'm gonna be talking about in the after party because we only actually got through the like What happened part we didn't even get to do the our thoughts part So i'm gonna be talking about a bunch of stuff in the after pretty pretty much the entire after party is going to be about oculus So if you want to see anything that's not about oculus peace out don't bother show up Uh guys, here's the straw poll result that we uh talked about earlier. I'm interested Yeah, i'm interested too. I actually I posted it in the thread, but I haven't actually clicked it yet There we go All right, so not overclocked is 39 percent look at that Hand overclocked greater than one gigahertz is 22 auto overclocked is 17 So both of those folks will not really be able to do anything with a b series chipset hand overclocked greater than 500 megahertz hand overclocked and underclocked so 40 percent of you won't give any cares about a b85 board that has all the gaming centric features without any of the Overclocking centric features even though those two things have been one in the same for so long Fascinating. Yeah, it is actually really interesting because I still want the option so that I can and I still do it I just don't necessarily run it all the time. I just switch my profile fairly actively I just moved to ivy e which i've never overclocked before so i'm gonna i'm gonna be playing around with that once I take my system home. Oh my personal rig update is done being edited. It's half an hour long Did I tell you how long it's more than half an hour expected? It would be it's like 35 minutes and it has the most b-roll we've ever shot for a video Yeah, how what was the data size on that again? Uh, hey brandon. Are you still here? Uh, how many gigs of b-roll did you shoot of my system? 86 86 gigs of b-roll and that's in pro res 1080p. It is going to be our most beautiful video ever Um something to note actually, I don't know if you guys have noticed this But if you go back and look at our last couple of course their case reviews, we are using a new recording setup It's still on the sony fs 700 But it's actually using an external recorder that allows us instead of recording at 1080p To record at 4k to the internal recorder and then down sample to 1080p With a much better codec that retains a lot more of the image information So we're using pro res now instead of avchd I personally noticed a big difference in the sharpness and detail of the footage But I haven't really seen anyone comment about it So you guys should let me know if you actually noticed my How much did that stupid thing cost? Yeah 2500 bucks Apparently nobody even noticed but But we're not quite at the limit of its capability There's a firmware update coming that will allow us to record in 4k and then we will start releasing all of our videos in 4k So yeah Yeah, that's been coming over so long though. I know I bought a 4k capable camera a year and a half ago I know And it's still not able to actually do it and still not able to actually well it could be if I was willing to spend like $9,000 on sony solution, which is ridiculous. Yeah, no like not even as good right? Yeah, it's not as flexible Yeah, so that's stupid. All right. Peace out guys. We'll see you next week. Bye everybody You