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He's over in London working on some kind of high technology product launch. I'm fairly certain we signed an NDA so I'm just not going to say anything about it. Nothing about it other than that he's there, he's doing a thing and I'm sure if your Google foo is strong you can figure out what he's doing and what it has to do with but he's taking a few days off before the event and in the meantime I am stuck back here in Canada literally unplugging and plugging in USB connections thousands of times. That is what I spent the last hour and a half or so working on. Is it micro B? Yes. So that's your own personal hell. That is yes basically. Well it's only half hell because the other half is type C. So I teased this on social media a little while ago but I'm actually going to be doing a head-to-head comparison of how many plugs before micro B or type C break. At least it's not non-reversible A because then before every plug you'd have to flip it over three times. So we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today. First up the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 has been announced and this one's a shocker. The screen is big. Wow! The Nvidia Titan XP has been reviewed and benchmarked. That is to say by other publications not by us. So it's it's not called the XP right? It's just the X right? No it's called the Titan XP. Anyway so Microsoft pitches technology that can read facial expressions at political rallies. So you know we're that much closer to Skynet I guess. We're that much closer to do that. Okay so question do they aim them at the politicians or at the audience? Oh because I was thinking aiming them at the politicians might actually be a lot more useful. Be like a lie detector. That would be like an actual you know boon to society whereas this is just let's figure out who doesn't agree with dear leader and we'll get them out of here. Actually would it be helpful to tell us that politicians are just lying the whole time? I mean we already know that in theory. Anyway what else we got? What else we got? We'll talk about it in more depth later. The world's first programmable quantum computer is apparently a thing. I haven't actually read anything about this topic so we'll see what happens. Yay Colton! I think they should actually change their slogan to that. It should just be like Squarespace! Squarespace! Linda! Wencho! Alright guys so why don't we jump right into our first topic here today. The Galaxy S7 has launched our original article here. Did I say Galaxy S7? See this is where I run into trouble. This is where Samsung gets me into trouble by having multiple devices that are very very similar. So the original article here is from an OnTech at least I think it is. It's hard to tell with all the soft player ads on all sides of the website. I'm pretty sure it's an OnTech. Shots fired although those who what is it live in glass houses something something. Yeah don't don't those who live in glass houses sink ships or something. Yeah I'm pretty sure it goes something along those lines and especially with our resident ad man literally sitting next to me. It probably doesn't make sense for us to be to be too critical of ads but so what is there to say but so usually the co-host job is to take the link to the original article and post it in the Twitch chat. Wait you actually expect me to do stuff while I'm sitting here? Yeah that's what I thought. I didn't sign up for that. That's what I thought was gonna happen. I thought you were gonna say things and do things. I didn't sign up for that. So basically it's about as similar to any S class product that we have pretty much ever seen. So spec wise you're getting a Snapdragon 820 in the US anyway. For RAM 4 gigs of LPDDR4 for storage you're getting 64 gigs plus micro SD expansion. I mean having micro SD expansion on the Note series was I think a bigger deal when it was notably absent from the S series but it has kind of gone full circle now and is back on the S7. The screen is 5.7 inches it's 1440p it's a S AMOLED okay dual edge display it's got a 12 megapixel rear camera 5 megapixel front camera I mean I'm just getting bored talking about this a 3500 milliamp hour battery. I think the more interesting aspect of the conversation is that Samsung apparently learned how to count from everyone else in technology. Wait yeah we missed the Note 6. Yeah. I just realized that. You didn't realize? No I actually I I pay so little attention to the Note lineup because it's kind of like okay let's say you were me yeah and like Trojan releases a new line of like Magnum condoms okay so they've got like the Magnum X and they've got the Magnum XL and they've got the Magnum XP or whatever are you really paying attention? The Titan Magnum XP. So for me the Note series and I will be reviewing the Note 7 at some point over the next little bit here and I'll say my usual thing I'm gonna say it's a big Galaxy S7 and it's too big. Literally now. They called it the Note 7 to line up with the S7. So stay tuned for that or don't bother it's totally up to you but there are some unique things so the S Pen now allows you to turn videos into GIFs which if you're a frequent Twitterer is gonna be a huge boon for you so your tweets can now have 70% more GIF and not just the canned ones when you click the thing you can make your own you cannot put the S Pen into the phone backwards anymore which isn't to say you which isn't to say you couldn't before the problem wasn't putting it in. It was so you couldn't get it back out. Yes. This is cool it's IP68 so that's dust and water resistant with the S Pen attached or detached that's pretty cool anytime you open up a large hole in an object you are significantly reducing its ingress protection ability so that's pretty cool and this is the big one Samsung has introduced iris authentication with the Note 7 so I obviously haven't used it I haven't seen it in action I will definitely be commenting on that but I do have an initial important question and we will debate this and I want to hear from you guys on this I'm gonna go ahead and create a straw poll right now do you feel like iris protection hold on I'm just gonna type as I go do you feel like iris protection is a any more convenient or B any more secure than fingerprint protection which we already have hmm do you want me to give my opinion now or should we wait for the hit it I mean I feel like there has to be more issues with iris protection at least at first right because at this point the sample size from the public on fingerprint is so massive mm-hmm so obviously iris has to be at a certain level in order for them to even have it on this but I mean I would be a little bit hesitant at least at first like first generation of it for the public obviously it's been on other stuff in the past but in terms of something as ubiquitous as a note series smartphone my my take on it is that anything anything camera reliant from my experience you know going back and Samsung Samsung does this kind of thing to themselves anything camera reliant on a Samsung phone and whether you want to talk smart stay where the screen stays on if you're looking at it or if you want to talk about what was it I think they had like like hand gestures that you could do to take pictures with the selfie camera Samsung's had a Samsung's had a lot of motion and camera controlled features most of which have been absolute garbage and just plain haven't worked very well and people are saying it is a sensor on its own so it uses IR as well so that's good see this is why it's important for me to read twitch chat instead of just going on and on forever but anything okay so with the exception of the touch sensor anything Samsung's done that's like like a biometric or natural human interaction thing has been either kludgy or basically not worked at all from my experience so I am both excited and also very skeptical to see how well this works because it's all fine and good if it works on you know a brightly lit show floor or if it works during the day but is this the kind of thing that's gonna work during at night and if it doesn't IR so it should theoretically it should theoretically um or is it gonna work when there or is it gonna work I mean that's here that's another interesting point of part of the conversation is it gonna work where there's a lot of IR pollution yeah like let's say you're on the CES show floor is there gonna be too much pollution I don't know I don't know so and the question that I have that we have to answer then is if it doesn't work all the time if it isn't bulletproof and quite frankly I'd say the first generation of touch ID was pretty good and now it's gotten to the point where phones are coming out whether it's the axon 7 whether it's the galaxy s7 whether it's the iPhone 6s phones are coming out now where fingerprint detection is so fast and so accurate like even if your fingers are a little bit damp that I almost always use it I use it all the time I don't have to think about it until iris detection gets that good I don't personally feel like it is going to be more secure or more convenient because as it is you could make the argument that someone could steal your fingerprints I mean they did it on mythbusters you could make the argument someone can steal your fingerprint they can create a rubber mold and that are a silicone mold and then they can they can spoof it in fact I believe it's been faked on on phones already so arguably fingerprint is not the most secure thing it's much more difficult to extract someone's eyeball right however there there have to be other spoofing measures that's still pretty difficult that's still pretty difficult to do the fingerprint sort of creation thing I think if someone is that determined they're probably just gonna put a gun to your head and tell you to unlock the phone anyway so I don't personally believe it adds a lot of security and I also don't personally believe it adds any convenience if anything I see that being less convenient because I don't know about you but my phone's already unlocked by the time I get it in front of my face yeah a lot of the time not this one because the accent 7 you can't use the fingerprint sensor as a lock button actually wait yes you can okay sorry I was wrong it didn't do it a second ago there you just have to wait a little bit longer when you do that but it's really fast when you press the lock button initially but on the s7 where the lock button is on the front and it is like what I reach for first when I pull it out of my pocket it's unlocked well before it ever reaches my face in the first place so I don't really see that being a huge factor for me so you can check out the results here's a bit of a tangent but what what if they were to use something like an IR sensor to try to inhibit stuff like texting and driving where like if there's some type of a gyrometer or gyro or whatever in your phone yeah it's like you're moving in a certain speed you have to use your IR sensor so you can't just unlock your phone when it's like down here by your side I mean I I can't see I can't see phone manufacturer because okay so the cold hard truth is that people are going to they're gonna do it okay okay the cold hard truth is that phone manufacturers aren't gonna start interfering with dangerous user practices that inconvenience the user that wants to do it unless they're mandated by law yeah so I don't see that happening I don't see it happening either that was just like what if like I'm just trying to think of a scenario where this could be potentially positive like I could see that being an app that like a parent might install but I mean okay you know I'm sure twitch chat is telling us like stuff like this exists where it knows if you're driving that the phone shouldn't work like it's the kind of thing I could see parents installing on their kids phones yeah so that's something I could also see it being useful and we so we've got we've got the results from our straw poll here where people are saying for the most part not more convenient or more secure with about 40% of you saying it's either more convenient or more secure and only 14% of you saying that they think it will be more convenient and more secure so one way that it could add security would be if Samsung allows us to require both a fingerprint and an iris scan yeah but and again I haven't had my hands on the phone I haven't looked into this a lot so stay tuned I will be covering it that will come later we'll see how it goes all right the Titan XP reviews and benchmarks have arrived for some hey outlets don't don't hate on my Titan XP naming all right these guys spelled it wrong they missed they missed the P on mr. P dude ah mr. P all right so did you copy that into the twitch chat thank you so all right I actually talked about this PC per was live streaming on their way down to like Quake con or something I actually forget where they were going so I'm just naming a random lands quite gone right now I don't think so I have no idea anyway the point is PC per was on their way down to a LAN event and they randomly trout randomly called me and speaking of using your phone and driving he had one phone that he was using to talk to me and he had the speaker of that phone held up against the microphone of another phone that he was periscoping for he was he was actually he was only streaming audio so he was okay audio streaming from that one and I didn't know this until the end of the of the talk let's give shroud the benefit of the doubt maybe I had a hands-free solution going on we don't have video proof of any of this and maybe someone else was driving maybe someone else's driving maybe someone else was holding the phone maybe PC per makes so much that he has a dedicated chauffeur okay maybe that's it maybe shrouds just a baller all right so anyway I was talking to shroud about this and the way that Nvidia handled the Titan X launch I was kind of I pitched this to him and he kind of went yeah I don't know it sounds plausible enough but I doubt he knows one way or the other and if he did I'm sure it would get someone at Nvidia in trouble for him knowing but I was just like you know what it seems like happened here Jensen basically woke up poured a bowl of cereal for breakfast or whatever it is that bazillionaires eat was sitting there eating it went I'm gonna launch the Titan X today yeah yeah I said that to you earlier this week yes that's kind of how it looks like to me that this went down yeah because there was there were no materials sent to reviewers we got an email I think like 10 minutes before being like hey just FYI Titan X is going on in 10 minutes there was we didn't get an NDA we actually I don't think we ever signed an NDA no so it was 10 minutes before launch um so so but but people the announcement the announcement prior to the launch so sorry announcement so we never had an NDA at any point prior to the launch and there's a reason for that and the reason for that is that so some people got their Titan XPs the morning of the launch that night at 9 p.m. Pacific time we didn't get ours until noon abouts or after the day of the launch and I'm kind of sitting here going like honestly I haven't talked to anyone at Nvidia about this yet but when I do it's not gonna be a happy conversation I'm gonna kind of explain a little something I'm gonna say okay so look you gave us nine hours of which only six of them are working hours because we're running a real company we're not like a guy in a basement with nothing to do until Nvidia you know decides to bestow upon us a graphics card that we have the privilege of covering I mean to be clear yes we do appreciate getting hardware from manufacturers so that we can have timely coverage of it but the way that that normally works is we get it with enough time to do coverage of it so in this case we got six actual working hours of which let's do the math backwards okay of which I'd say about 15 minutes of it goes into actually like filling out all the fields on YouTube yeah okay about five minutes of it goes into uploading it about half an hour to 45 minutes of it is exporting it from Premiere assuming we only have to do that once which sometimes we don't like 20 minutes waiting for it to process on YouTube yep 20 minutes waiting for it to process on YouTube so we've already we've already used up well over an hour of our of our six hours okay so just saying these these are things that happened um editing it takes about six hours okay benchmarking it takes another you know probably depending on the depth and for something like Titan XP we would have liked to do more benchmarks because Nvidia's come out and said this is not just a gaming card it's like machine learning all that stuff yeah so we've never benchmarked a card for deep learning before it's never come up so it's the kind of thing where there's a bit of a learning curve so let's say there's a few hours of actually figuring out how to benchmark the thing in the first place aside from that there's actually you know usually attending a briefing call so that you have some idea what the crap is going on not that I think they want even get like a white paper or anything no I don't believe there was a reviewers guide for it you know so usually there's some time spent reviewing the reviewers guide actually no maybe he got up the morning of something like that anyway the point is it was not actually possible oh yeah oh yeah shooting b-roll so this is another challenge because theoretically you could shoot b-roll like on the fly while someone is working on editing in a linear fashion through the video and we've actually done that before yeah the problem is that there is absolutely no way to shoot b-roll of the card while it's being benchmarked well so you could get b-roll of it on the test bench oh Brandon how long does it take to do b-roll of a graphics card so Brandon figures he could speed through one in four hours but that probably assumes that Brandon's working on one of those endless streams of identical cards do you remember when we did like three wind force cards in a span of two weeks good old wind force so basically Nvidia gave us a literally impossible goal of having a video up on time for this launch it was very frustrating but there's good news now that I'm done ranting about how they really should organize themselves a little bit better I mean it's funny because between them and AMD actually I don't think I can't talk about that one yet or is that one launched I don't know when the idea it might have been I don't know like the last couple weeks of graphics cards deliveries and stuff has been like okay yeah the rx470 embargo is lifted so that was another one where our rx470 arrived today our official one we actually already had one from someone else yeah but we didn't have a reviewers guide we didn't have a driver yet so this is funny to me 1080 rx480 very organized events around them yeah yeah yeah relatively that's like they were talking to us about our x480 launch a month before three weeks or three weeks before like we were we were organizing stuff that's three weeks before the event which was a month and a half or something before the launch yes and then 1080 to a lesser degree Nvidia does the whole like cloak and dagger we are in video we are like super secret business bro they do that a little bit more than AMD does at least intentionally so in the case of both Titan X and rx470 it's just amazing the contrast it's like did they spend all the budget or spend all the time organizing these launches and then just kind of go oh yeah I guess there's like other stuff too I like I really decide I really don't understand this launch sequence like it almost feels like I don't know it almost feels like rx480 was announced and then they were like oh crap like we got to do 1080 very soon then and then it wasn't rx480 wasn't what they were expecting so then just this landslide happened because like there was misinformation or something and someone thought they were going to be competing with someone else in a similar price point and then they weren't so then they had to match up which then caused the other team to keep going forward if that makes sense like it just feels very disorganized this time around all right so let's talk facts about Titan XP it features a 16 nanometer GP 102 GPU so this is very close to the Pascal GPU we've been introduced to in the Tesla lineup but not quite the same thing it's got 3584 CUDA cores so when you compare that to the Titan X the previous card when you compare that to the Titan X it had 2560 so this is a very significant uptick in CUDA cores and that pretty much comes from the process node train fat may have supposed to be that was probably supposed to be GTX 1080 I think oh is that 1080 I believe so I can't remember anyway it has 224 texture units 96 rops a base clock of 1417 megahertz and a boost clock of 1531 with hardware Canucks actually managing to get it to over clock to a continuous like holding steady frequency of 1923 megahertz yeah the old old Titan X had 3072 3072 thank you yeah all right so it's got 12 gigs of GDDR5 X RAM so we did not see HBM 2 again this is a downgrade from the Tesla card and it's clocked at 10 gigahertz quad data rate and a 384 bit memory bus for a total of 480 gigabytes per second of memory bandwidth and a 250 watt TDP so once again Nvidia has one of the hottest cards on the market it's funny people give AMD a lot of crap for having really hot cards the difference is that when it comes to performance per watt the Titan X really does come through so it's about 20% faster than even non reference 1080s in some titles and as far as single GPUs go it is king I was actually talking to shred about this too but it's gotten to the point where on the like performance charts in their reviews it's like Nvidia land and then like AMD yeah it's gotten to the point where AMD has like it's you give it enough if they keep up the way that they're going you give it another couple of generations like this AMD may find themselves a full generation behind Nvidia while Nvidia sells graphics cards at a whopping 1200 US dollars a pop that's insane lining their pockets stuffing the coffers and giving them more money to spend on R&D to cycle faster and faster and faster this is a troubling time a very troubling time because Nvidia could easily slash the pricing of their lineup and make it very difficult to recommend buying an AMD card but video is not really not really prone to do that they tend to wait until AMD puts actual pressure on them to drop the price so instead they're sitting there accumulating massive amounts of money to spend on basically you know whatever is the next technology they're gonna introduce whether it's game stream or g-sync or whatever else that makes it so that at least some gamers are gonna look at this card versus that card and go well this isn't even a decision because AMD straight up doesn't have feature X Y or Z I love how like you say things like Nvidia cards are performing better right now and people in twitch chat call you an Nvidia shill that's just the facts I don't make the rules yo we're not saying like they're better in performance per dollar although in some cases I think the no no no the RX 480 was better than 1060 in performance per dollar I can't remember but it's just the facts like yeah some people sub so rage something in twitch chat says Nvidia won't let AMD go bankrupt I'm actually not convinced that's anything to do with the motivation at this point I think it's just a matter of not wanting to sell computer hardware at low margins not wanting to constantly iterate on new silicon as fast as they possibly can the way that they were doing you know back in the mid 2000s and it's a matter of just being happy to sit and make ample margin and happy to have AMD sit there as a measuring stick for why Nvidia's graphics cards are worth a lot more troubling times so yeah just the the $200 price hike is what really gets me it's just it's the same as the 6950 X it's like we're charging this because we can so I actually thought that there was some justification for the $200 price hike yeah and I went back in time I may have actually done this on when show when the Titan XP was first announced so I went back in time and adjusted for inflation like I found super crazy stupid halo products from you know 10 15 years ago and compared them and the $200 price hike was definitely still unjustified but it's not as unjustified as the $700 price hike on the 6950 X but I can talk more about that one actually now I've been working on a pretty interesting video that that okay that does don't spoil anything but I won't but that does put that price hike into a more yeah it puts it into a different perspective for me so anyway one thing that we're ignoring when we say Nvidia is jacking the price etc etc is that R&D costs are going up generation by generation R&D processes are going up at the manufacturing level so at Global Foundry's TSMC Intel and at the chip design level Pascal is a more complicated more difficult to design product than Maxwell then Kepler and etc etc etc back to Intel's price hike on the 10 core extreme edition basically it's a zion so it where it comes from is not wanting to cannibalize zion because when I was working on my what CPU should I buy video I actually worked into my comparative sheet I worked all the everything from Celeron's all the way up to the $7,000 four-way e5 or e7 series yeah zion or is it e5 4000 anyway I forget I forget the nomenclature is either way don't worry about it anyway I worked in the whole thing and what I realized is that aside from the 6800 K which is priced more like a desktop chip and I think the reason for that is because they kneecapped its PCI Express lanes making it suitable for desktop use even to a SLI which is all we recommend around here but not really suitable for server use where many many expansion cards is much more likely to be a thing except for the 6800 K there is basically an equivalent zion in the current generation and you can look back at the previous generation go yeah that was kind of the one that that was a successor to to so they pretty much price them like overclockable zions that don't have ECC and you are paying a slight premium for the zion because it has ECC so it can handle server memory and that's it that's basically that was the logic do I like it no yeah the issue is now is that they're labeling it as a core i7 and they're trying to sell it to consumers obviously very high-end consume at a server price at a server price and the other thing that bothers me here too is not necessarily what they've done on the extreme edition side because quite frankly I've never recommended an extreme edition to anyone I've never recommended that someone buy an extreme edition it has not happened and that was true when they were a thousand dollars and it's true today now that they're seventeen hundred dollars so it doesn't matter to me it didn't make it any more or less likely that I would recommend one to me the part that I find more objectionable is that Intel has been in in the range that I actually expect people to buy so that's on the consumer platform the consumer chipset and socket they've been selling us quad cores for 10 years q6600 turned 10 or actually no not quite sorry sorry not quite 10 will turn 10 within a year and that's like still a sort of relevant ship sort of it's like somewhat usable so q6600 was launched at around 700 US dollars but within a bet again about a year was down to pretty similar to what you pay for a 6700 K today so you could get a kind of not quite enthusiast blah blah extremo edition quad core for basically what you're paying for it today almost ten years ago I think consumers should be getting a six core I don't see a reason why the enthusiast range goes from six to eight and consumers are still stuck with a quad I mean I do see a reason because they've had more emphasis on better onboard graphics which I could end up completely eating my words you know five years from now when those chips with the better onboard graphics are just you know blowing through video rendering or or you know encryption tasks or whatever the case may be using that GPU power but for now putting onboard graphics on a 6700 K just makes me kind of feel bad when it could have just had more cores or more cash yeah you got to remember your perspective though as someone who always puts a dedicated graphics in a machine yeah like a lot of fair point a lot of 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in Cleveland Ohio I'm gonna do this one on my own while you figure out what the next topic you want to do is in Cleveland Ohio Microsoft's research division advertised the technology that can read facial expressions in a massive crowd so they can analyze emotions and report back in real time so they're calling this real-time crowd insights hang on what's the resolution of the camera using probably like NSA megapixels oh so the small camera scans the room there you go while a monitor displays the captured image and there's actually a picture from the test here so we'll go ahead and pop this up check this out this is like scary stuff right here 59 year old male whoa 38 male happy 37 female happy now 27 male neutral have you ever done one of those age test thingies where it tries to guess your age based on your face and notice how it's not really that accurate um maybe there's more accurate technology out there but that's a doctored image you think that's a doctored image I think from a demo this is a screen grab they probably then then they cherry picked the one where the ages were pretty much okay well here hold on okay do you think those are probably pretty much correct I think that girl looks younger than that oh well it's kind of low resolution it's hard to tell yeah I think this looks about right 59 for that guy yeah 59 great gray hair it's hard to it's hard to tell got a big nose that's not enough resolution there to be able to tell that did you know that your nose grows your whole life and so do your ears that sounds like a myth no and you must be very old and shows over yeah and that's the end of that chapter um okay so anyway anyway okay so I'm gonna finish going through this while you find a topic that did you do the NASA one yet no so every five seconds a new image would appear with data annotated for each face so they assigned a serial number this is great assigned a serial number gender estimated age and any emotions detected in the facial expression and they keep track of the serial number and can identify the same person hours later no way so Microsoft spokesperson said for example that you could use this tech at a Trump rally or even the Super Bowl to find out how the audience what on earth are you doing I'm too short a tall for this as it is right now now yeah okay so anyway okay so so let's talk about how I expect this technology to be used mm-hmm basically we are giving politicians a tool to lie to us more effectively really yes who is this technology for for them well the way it's being pitched is that it could be used at a campaign rally so that way through it you could actually look like imagine this this is this is like some next-level stuff right here you could look you could scrub through the campaign speech and you could see a hotspot or you could see like like a heat map of viewer sentiment during the speech every time so every time the politician says anything you can pander to viewers in real time yes just like that onion skit which is a really funny video that you should watch instead of the way I'm just kidding no let's keep yeah pan of the viewers and I mean can you imagine if the land show if I had real-life sentiment monitoring like say for example twitch chat when they're like Taryn I love you you just ate that sweet so damn fabulously so there you go yeah in real time yeah cuz we can watch this but it's like really annoying to do so yeah and not as trustworthy so if we just had like so it's basically taking people sad angry mad and turning them into a sentiment value that's cool so you could have a sentiment percentage in the crowd so the second that you know let's say mrs. Trump you know polls part of a speech from Michelle Obama or the second that Hillary dodges a question about you know the fact that she's being investigated in the middle of a presidential campaign you know I'm not taking I'm not quite frankly I'm not taking sides at all in this one now that I know who the two candidates are I'm just kind of yay I'm Canadian this is not my problem at all yeah no no no no can you even vote yeah I'm still an American citizen yeah but can you vote if you're not living in America I think you vote based on the last state you lived in which for me is Colorado okay there you go so enjoy that but like you could be saying something like well the most important thing to us is jobs yeah and and then you could see like a dip and you could but that's not as important as the environment yeah well it's something comedians are good at this where they'll start a series of jokes and if the audience reaction is really positive they'll continue with that series but if not they go on to the next joke but now we can have it for politics and have robots figuring it out and then you create a robot that's good enough at pandering and we won't even need politicians anymore that's also another onion skit we'll just put the robot in charge perfect brilliant precedent executron so there you go that's kind of that's kind of my take on this there's that picture by the way you guys can you guys can check that out Wow I just it's a brave new world minus yeah I don't really have anything else to say other than well but the thing is like we've heard of all of these like interesting pieces of tech that sound scary but then we never really hear anything else yeah that's cuz it's all happening behind closed doors I've heard that like the security cameras at I forget what it was maybe Sears or Target or something like they're extremely good have I told you this on the show before I think it's target like extremely good point where they know what you've purchased yeah before you go to the check yeah they've actually already I think it's target where they've already rung you up yeah you actually watch because the cameras are so high resolution yeah track everything it's amazing and like that's just the stuff we know about yeah I mean I'm sure professor Zuckerberg over there has plenty going on that we don't know about and then like there were NSA satellites with that word decrepit and they're like oh these are obsolete now here NASA you can have these and NASA's like holy crap these are amazing satellites what have you guys been using them for and the NASA's basically like okay turn them around to point at the stars instead of all the people everywhere because that's frankly a better use for a satellite hey for people like me as I'm concerned they're one in the same you're not a star maybe a very dim one all right so let's talk about NASA's training program that involves consumer grade VR and a quote-unquote Nvidia GPU technology honestly this is like the perfect Linus and Taron topic all right so let's go all the let's pop the Nvidia blog here in video reported this yeah well Nvidia is always bragging oh yeah sure that they're especially fond of bragging about things that you can use a GPU for that are not gaming oh yeah well yeah yeah I can see that so let's run through the notes here once I get that switch back so they're embarking on a 15 year journey to Mars and VR is gonna play a key role so they're actually gonna be using Nvidia GPU technology combined with unreal engine 4 mm-hmm consumer grade VR physical mock-ups and models wearable technologies and room scale tracking and they're gonna create what they're calling a hybrid reality system very very cool they want to create an extremely immersive and a realistic training facility at a lower cost than traditional analog test fields hang on this says a 15 year journey to Mars it only takes like nine months to a year to get to Mars preparation yeah training for sure but it's worded oddly in this document okay fine let's continue so Frank Delgado and Matthew noise at NASA's Johnson Space Center hybrid reality lab have the goal to create this low-cost scalable platform to enable an out-of-the-world experience so it's about incorporating the best elements of physical and virtual realities to get the best of both worlds and there are already I mean it's a good thing they've given themselves 15 years for this because there are already ways to incorporate physical objects into a VR space one of the ways I've seen it done is with tracking dots oh yeah yeah you put these that was actually a demo that I saw at the Samsung Developer Conference where you basically put these like wired things with reflective IR reflective dots on them so that the VR so like the room scale VR cameras that are tracking you interesting can also track these objects and know what they're supposed to be so the puzzle I solved was like an Indiana Jones style done this yeah move the like move the stone idol onto the correct thing and it was a real stone idol and also in the game yes that's very cool like it felt like what I was looking at in VR why do they need virtual reality for this um I mean I mean they can't simulate zero gravity obviously unless you go on the vomit comet and then it's only like 90 seconds what are they simulating exactly so what they're simulating is well they're making it more immersive because you could make the argument do you need that um yeah I think so well what I just I don't know what they're doing with it so it's more versatile for one thing huh so if you were to create a physical training set like a holodeck oh now I understand yeah so now you can do you know a holodeck yeah there well the explanation well if anybody hasn't watched Star Trek then why are you watching the WAN show you're not enough of a nerd and as long as they have props that are a reasonable facsimile of whatever it is they're trying to do a training session on then they can actually change the functionality of the room very easily and very quickly interesting there's there is a lot of potential here for sure so they said that they're gonna okay so they said that the Johnson Space Center's active response gravity offload system Argos is an excellent candidate to combine this VR system with a way of creating a sense of weightlessness which would be much easier when a user is in a virtual environment than when they're in a room is that when they're swimming around in the water um that's what NASA does to simulate a no I think this is a different one so here we go this is a picture of Argos right here a small robotic crane oh yeah yeah yeah I've always wanted to to like jump around with a small robotic crane getting rid of most of my body weight so this in VR very cool that'd be so so so awesome I would I wish can we rig one of these up we have we have beams up there I mean I know NASA's budget has been cut it's still a lot more than ours we can very clear get a grant from NASA and let the astronauts come here to Surrey BC sorry BC but what a quite a ways from Houston let's see John John told me he was gonna mark some of the topics that that he wanted to jump in on but it looks like he actually did not well did not do that well okay I have it was there anything else that you wanted to that you want about NASA or just about other product about I'll look for one shall I but that that NASA things very cool I'd love to like see like training videos of that to see what they do with it you know be very cool I'm stoked on that kind of stuff all right so da da da one plus is back in the news oh so the invite system is gone but lo and behold original article here is from phone arena comm the phone sold so well without the invite system that they actually have to halt sales of the one plus three for more than a month in 24 countries so in order to build inventory back up sales will be halted starting August 9th at 6 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time until September 12th for Austria Belgium Bulgaria Croatia Cyprus Czech Republic Estonia France Greece Hong Kong Hungary Ireland I Italy Latvia Lithuania Luxembourg Malta Netherlands Portugal Poland Romania Slovakia Slovenia and Spain it's fascinating so if you place an order before the sales halt your phone will go out on the estimated shipping date but in the meantime they're just like yeah sorry we straight up do not have enough but we don't know a one plus three yep yeah they sent us a review sample what you got oh oh sorry I wasn't paying attention you want to I was listening to you talk I can't it's hard to listen to someone talk and read at the same time which is why when you're editing a video you put as little text on the screen as possible but fact all right our next story here is from DSL reports Comcast says it wants to charge brun brun the band brun the band I don't even know what that accent was broadband users more for privacy so Comcast this week informed the FCC that it should be able to charge broadband users looking to protect their privacy Wow so the FCC has been crafting new privacy rules for broadband that would force ISPs to disclose exactly what they're collecting and selling it's almost like the FCC is on the consumer side for a change imagine that and they're also working to provide opt-out tools for customers can you just use a VPN just get around all this nonsense um it'll be a bit slower yes and no I'm paying I'm not sure that it's a perfect solution but yes it would get around a lot but then you're basically paying for internet and then also extra internet on top of your internet so basically you are paying more additional privacy right but I wouldn't trust Comcast at all ever so they're gonna say oh you have more privacy now because you pay more who fine like every time you see cop Comcast name in the news it's something that they've done to screw over their customers right so basically in the news today is them saying it's well within our rights to screw over our customers oh yeah so what they're saying they're arguing that charging consumers more money to opt out of snoopvertizing so collecting user data and selling it to advertisers should be considered a perfectly acceptable business practice what I want to know is where it came from in the first place like like when did I ever aside from you know at the bottom of your statement oh by the way our terms of service have been updated yeah when did I ever say it was okay in the first place when did this ever become the status quo no but that's that you just explained it your turn their terms of service are sitting somewhere and you're just supposed to read them every time they've I've been updated and and then be mad and then do nothing because Comcast is the only provider in your area because they pushed it all little guys so this is great and then hope for Google Fiber they go on to say thanks Comcast a bargained for exchange of information for service is a perfectly acceptable and widely used model throughout the US economy including the internet ecosystem here's what I want to know when did the bargaining take place and and where was the part where I got offered a discount hmm oh that's what they're calling it now no no no no yeah oh yeah where was the part where I got offered a discount in the first place when they started augmenting their revenue stream that is the bill that I pay which I don't because I don't use common but so it would cost more without this exactly which it wouldn't by the way yeah it's like it I think about big picture things like this sometimes where it's like a company can exist it seems it feels like because this is only the ones that you hear of in two different like diametrically opposed states either completely screwing over their customers for as much money as they can possibly get and forcing their way into you know politics and whatever or being really nice to their customers and customers really like them and that's why they make a lot of money it seems like it's only ever one or the other again probably because that's the only ones you hear of but it's like how does a company like Comcast continue to exist when all you ever hear about them is just pissed off people is it because they have their fingers and all the politics where you own everything like it's ah it's like the human race makes progress ten steps forward nine steps back we're getting there but it's so frustrating to see the obvious answers to things just be ignored and it's like you know what don't screw over your customers and they'll it'll be fine they'll be fine everything will work out in the end long term Comcast isn't even the first one to do this AT&T actually launched as a $30 or more premium if you wanted to opt out of their internet preferences which is a deep packet inspection program that tracks your browsing behavior around the internet so that was back in Austin in late 2014 when they launched their gigabit internet service done done down um oh I had picked something let me see here the next Google Maps update could show how bad parking is yeah that would be actually very very useful I'm gonna go ahead and pull up the original article here which is daily mail while you go through this fun fact from my father who is a city planner every car that you add to like the general like a city requires seven parking spaces so you don't have to justify that I know we've had this conversation distributed across across the city because you have to park at home if you park at the supermarket you have to park at the movie theater you have to park at the bar it's like seven on average like kind of moving around a little bit be parking at the bar I don't carry on yes anyway I'm your center it that's just that's just a fun fact I actually haven't looked much into it I just believe my father when he says these things but I'll get more info on that if it's disputed anyway let's see if Taryn learns not to listen to his dad before he turns 30 so I plan to lie to my kids about all kinds of hilarious stuff Europe okay pull up the thing so people can look at it okay next Google Maps update could show how bad parking is it's currently in beta could include text-based alerts informing users to parking shortages at their destination oh that's great because it already tells you if the store is gonna be closed by the time you get there yeah it's not always accurate but sure will allow for you to just these little comments man will allow for you to account for both traffic and parking scarcity at your destination service will likely be based on total number of spaces available in a given area taking into account time of day and nearby public events oh yeah because I went to the laundromat one day and it's like where's all the parking oh my goodness I can't get through update also includes a feature that will fix when you accidentally reorient the direction of the map whatever keeping it always in point keeping it in always point north mode whatever more details to come I like that because I freaking hate that yeah yeah when I pinch to zoom in or out and it's like no that's not how I want oh that's not just for the parking that's for the whole man yeah okay well then that's great I was like why is it just for parking so I'm really interested to see how this impacts businesses because in the in the analog age people would just have to like remember oh there's not much parking on Robson during the evening and on Sunday Costco in the evening is nuts right you would just have to remember stuff like that but you know what now drive a bike you never ever have these problems no one on earth drives a bike ride a bike um but now what you'll be able to do as a consumer so it's like the digital consumer the millennial consumer is going to all of a sudden start shifting business away like just to Google making this one update the millennial consumer is gonna start going somewhere else in the first place hmm yeah for the sake of finding easier parking I see it happening well you know what I do whenever I drive anywhere which isn't often because I bike or whatever but I will always do Google map instructions to my destination because it routes you around traffic blockages in theory well I've had very good luck with it for the most part I've had some experiences not that long ago sitting in traffic with a red line yeah completely between me and my destination yeah do you remember that day it doesn't tell you to get off do you remember the day you guys did the hot dog Channel super fun hot dog Olympics no I did wasn't I didn't participate oh okay well I was trying to get back to the office and there was a massive accident oh yeah and so I fired up Google Maps as I realized it was slowing down and it didn't I saw a red line all the way yeah so it knew it was taking a long time but my update like I'm sorry my estimated time of arrival was the same only ticked one minute for every minute that passed like it didn't update to say that it was gonna take longer you know what at all system is in progress at all their word good on it what can I say it works better to have it open than to not have it so I'll always check always check with it avoided lots of congestion that way jazz hands I do have an update this is really important because we talked about this on a previous WAN show and the facts of the matter are a little bit more complicated than they originally made out to be by some Western media publications using VPNs what you a e residents need to know so it's not always illegal to be very clear that is not what happened sorry about that the legality actually hasn't changed and not all residents in the UAE who use the technology could face imprisonment and fines so the confusion surrounding the impact of the law stemmed from inaccurate reporting by foreign news websites according to a UAE based lawyer so what has been amended in the cybercrime law is the amount of fines that offenders will face in addition to the existing provision on imprisonment so a senior associate at Clyde and co suggested so as a lawyer suggested that private individuals aside from corporate organizations don't run the risk of going to jail and paying a fine as long as they don't use a VPN to commit a crime oh that's all how would you know misuse of the technology may still be punishable well basically what they're saying it basically what they're doing is they're taking something that's very difficult to track yeah and putting a horrendous punishment on it so they can make an example out of whoever gets caught well finds up to like half a million US dollars and imprisonment for like years so you just have to find a VPN that does not keep logs or at least says that they does not keep law yeah so and who really knows with all the gag orders going around would you would you knowledgeable I am about something sort of would you bet half a million dollars oh man that's what they're that's what they're half a million dollar fine that's what they want you to consider yeah and you're like I just want to you know pirate some movies or I could you know be in the slammer and I mean there's been a lot of half a million dollars there's been a lot of debate about that sort of creating very very harsh punishments for crimes yeah and whether that makes more sense than correctional facilities especially around the death penalty and also just like a general little bit of a punishment for everyone rather than a huge punishment for some people yeah so he was catching them so so there's been a lot of debate as to whether a whether stiffer penalties actually serve as a deterrent yeah or whether the people committing crimes are just criminals and always assuming they won't get caught regardless of what the penalty is there a way to happen to be or not be well it's been it's been sort of demonstrated either way and it's an ongoing debate because it especially centers around the death penalty right yeah cuz yeah because there's no hope for rehabilitation with the death penalty yeah like that's it so and basically they're saying that there's you know oh well you should just make it the death penalty for everything because then no one will commit crimes yeah that'll work they'll die yeah there's a Star Trek episode about exactly so this has been a debate for decades literally decades so I'm not sure if it'll end up working out for them in this case but I guess we shall find out this gives me some hope for humanity Facebook has tweaked their algorithm to show you less clickbaits so the original article here is from the BBC Facebook to suppress clickbait stories and Facebook let me tell you when they want to suppress something man do they know how to do that they suppress something so they created new guidelines around sponsored posts that make it so that we have to put hashtag ad and we have to which was already the case but we also have to tag on Facebook the company that sponsored it we have to tag their Facebook page okay and this is so that Facebook can basically turn around and offer that company a chance to promote that post and what they do is they bury those posts like just oh right because you put ad on them and because you put yeah yeah so they're making out oh yeah so their terms of service is that we have to identify it we have to identify who paid for it to them in a way that they can act on and then they will just crush the reach of it there is a whole there's two videos by Derek of Veritasium you can watch about it's called Facebook fraud where he talks about promoting a page promoting a fake page and promoting his real page and how the more you pay in the more you need to pay in there's just a huge number of problems with this whole like Facebook incentivizing you having to pay them money yeah to get any kind of visibility it reminds me a lot of micro transactions in games like Pokemon go for example where once you start paying to play you pretty much are stuck paying forever and it's just like more money and every single thing that you do pushes you more towards giving them money so like that's not fun for anybody we paid for Facebook reach once did we yep I did we do that I decided to try it what happened um we got a few more reviews on the post and then it prompted me to pay more to get more views oh what a surprise I just said that and honestly compared to creating I mean this is something that I think for for soulless imagination less companies might make sense to pay for a reach but for content creators where our entire our entire business is making content that people actually care about for content creators it is much much cheaper and more effective to just make good content yes the SEO thing for this is content is king but it doesn't help us when they intentionally crush certain posts oh yeah well of course they well I mean they're just it's just I mean I stopped doing Facebook stuff like ages ago like they're not I'm surprised you ever sucker Berg Facebook used to be cool in the chat tell us about when Facebook was cool it used to be cool hold on we're gonna stop all this nonsense we're gonna stop all this hold on we're gonna stop pull this like something and they slow I don't remember what update it was I think it was like the timeline update or I was like okay I'm sick of this now I'm not gonna keep on going it was a great way to keep in contact with your high school buddies like if you watch the movie what does it called social network or maybe the social network boom all right guys check it out check it out Facebook used to be cool okay it's just very cool in that movie which chat is 1990 ICQ was cool my space was cool it was cool it was also stupid but it was also cool 2006 2009 year 1800 this is why we never consult twitch chat about anything by the way well this is what you're learning the hard way well what are they today what do you know what do I know I know not to ask which chatting no I was like a camera and asked in that all right 55% of people are saying Facebook was cool ah with 45% on my team now well you didn't add turnip in there so I think all the trolls are on your team the trolls are not on my yeah they like rolls are never on my team yeah they do not like me well okay the trolls love to hate on me it was cool all right well thank you very much do you want to throw John in here because there were a couple of things that I wanted to over presumably at his desk I'm bringing my eminem guessing though I'm gonna jump right into our next topic here you're oh thank you look it's like it's like a little Eminem Santa the M&M's are a little salty I can't tell if that's like sweat or not anyway original article here is from Eurogamer.net I want this hey how's it going hey everyone we have so many hosts today actually like this which one of mine number three your number three yeah the Xbox one s has a performance boost and it has been revealed and it has apparently been benchmarked by Eurogamer.net have you looked into this one at all no I haven't I think all the most of the topics I wanted to do you do with Taron so you didn't mark them I've set up at the near the top oh I yeah I I didn't know if near the top meant at the top or like top next time put John I'm sorry John it's fine that's fine we can talk about the Xbox one s let's do it so it was released August 2nd has a GPU clock speed of 914 megahertz Wow how many Wow Vancouver 914 megahertz okay that's up from 853 on the older version it supports 4k as well as HDR media and gaming it's amazing what you can do with what is that 61 megahertz these days who made the GPU do we know it's still it's still AMD okay 4k ultra HD blu-ray and 4k video streaming are supported that's a positive that's a plus HDR supported for games and video I just said that I okay that's a redundant important note HDMI 2.0 will not be included so 4k is only available and up to 30 FPS so still even now they're not putting HDMI to know when is this coming out so the thing to bear in mind is that this is based on an AMD I forget what the architecture it's but it's GCN whatever whatever revision which did not support so it's like it's too old so it's a generation that's a generator I think it's too too architectural generations old but depending on how you divide up AMD's lineup given that they have products that are literally three generations old still in their lineup and they've been rebadged that have been rebadged it's really really hard to draw a clear a clear line it up scales 1080p or other a content of 4k and Microsoft says some games ones that utilize dynamic resolution and or unlocked frame rates may see a very minor performance improvement our testing internally has shown this to be pretty minor and is only measurable on certain games so we didn't want to make it a selling point for the new console so yeah upscaling hasn't been a selling point for a while on basically anything consoles is this what do you think of the Xbox one yes what's the price point do we know yeah it's out isn't it I don't know I don't care I have no idea what the price point is I'm sorry I paid I pay so little attention dbrand actually contacted me recently asking if I wanted an Xbox one s with their skin on it for review and I was like oh when's it coming he's like like I have it I'm like oh okay sorry so are we just giving this a gigantic a gigantic shrug and then I move on to there was one that I really wanted to talk to you about it was the 6% Netflix tax for Pennsylvania right well I mean you know people compare the console on the PC space so much but I mean I really feel like consoles or for a different type of consumer they just want to plug something in and go for it and they don't care whoa oh that is so much better why was this up here Taryn put it there yeah thank you geez what are we gonna do with that guy you tell me but he I don't know but so I mean in that vein I guess it would make I think if you're in the console market the price it might matter like a little bit less you say oh you can get so much more for us on a PC for this amount of money but at the same time if you're saying oh I just want something I can plug in and go with and not have to worry about drivers or putting anything together and I wanted to do 4k then there we go so basically the Xbox one s is just another console to you it doesn't matter that it's smaller or like 60 megahertz faster all right serious question let's move on to this one's pretty interesting there will be a 6% Netflix tax for citizens of Pennsylvania USA so you want to want to walk us through this the Doc's here by the way mm-hmm so it's Netflix is Hulu it's Spotify if you have a if you have like a Spotify premium subscription it's so basically all that stuff is going to tax now any kind of streaming media thing so see what I want to understand is what would be the justification for a tax on streaming media the state might be broke like a lot of the states are hey here's an easy way to make money let's just tax this thing that everyone else is watching instead of paying for cable so really that you think it's that simple so do you think it's as simple as them not okay so a cable subscription is closer to $100 a month right do you think it's as simple as them not getting there and I'm gonna throw an arbitrary number because sales tax varies wildly from state to state and even within Canada actually will real quick for you that it says right here done to help offset a 1.3 billion dollar hole in the state budget okay there you have it but please continue so do you think this is as simple enough a calculation that we could just go okay so a cable bill used to be $100 a month and let's say they had a 10% you know sales tax and so they get 10 bucks for your cable bill so as people stop spending money on cable and they start buying Netflix subscriptions for $7 or $8 a month now they have to just charge like a $7 $8 levy to make up the difference that means that what's happening here I don't know I mean you already get stuck with like however many surcharges on your cable bill they might not call them taxes but they're often like government fees like something or another so I don't know I think I think states recently have gotten very very upset when there's certain things that people just buy just like you would buy anything else with or just how you would buy anything else and they don't get don't get a cut of the taxes for it like yeah cross-border shopping yes mine yeah back in North Carolina where I'm from they recently started having the Amazon tax they call it a use tax but it's really just another sales tax where if you get an Amazon receipt and they didn't charge you tax on it you're supposed to supposed to every year say oh I bought $30 worth of widgets or toilet paper whatever else from Amazon and right and so you owe the state like you know a dollar or two on your tax return almost nobody does it it's kind of a joke but they still try I mean that's the thing that's gonna make that that makes law so complicated in the United States because that's what it is it's a United States it's not it is okay don't take this away but it's not as much of a country as it is I know you're saying a conglomerate of like city-states but but like actual states that's part of part of why the Civil War happened yeah exactly for a long time so yeah yeah it's not like America's happy about this situation either so so I mean here in Canada it got us it was as simple as the federal government said no this will not fly this happened about four or five years ago they tried to attack streaming sources up here did that happen no not streaming services cross-border cross-border online orders right right and basically what they did is they put the onus on the retailer they said okay well fine NCIX you're located in British Columbia good for you you are now responsible for collecting provincial sales tax from every province and submitting that to those provinces done and it was implemented within I think about a year that seems a lot simpler but I don't know I don't know if it's just because we have so many more people or what but but I also understand what you're saying you know the federal character of the US and oh like every state needs to decide how they're going to try to get their cut so very very interesting to me yeah it's not going to come out to be a ton of money like if you pay for you know if you've seen what like ten bucks a month on Netflix description over the course of the year that doesn't work out to be a whole lot but I know you know there's gonna be people who are angry about that you know so alright well I actually don't have that much left I'm so I'm sorry I screwed up and did the topics that you wanted to help with I just earlier on this on in the show next time we do this I'll I'll make it more clear is there anything else you wanted to jump through did we talk about the set top box thing from the car no we didn't actually we can do that one as our last topic sure hold on let me just pull it up here set oh crap control F set is not the best offset set top there we go alright so the original article here is from ours technica I'm just gonna pull this up while John walks you guys through what's going on with this this baby right here oh great as soon as you said it my like Google Doc just jumped everywhere but let's find it again okay so I'll start oh there we go okay okay go ahead okay so right now there's a dispute between the SEC and the US Copyright Office about whether cable companies should be forced to unlock their set top boxes so right now if you have a cable subscription at least in the US you get like a little box that sits either above or below your TV you'll get up with an HDMI cable but everything that comes into the box is copy protected in some form or another so it's not like in the good old days where we could just have a VCR record anything you want to onto a blank tape if you can't just you know plug in a USB stick or a computer and say okay record to be clear there are ways around it there are ways around it but if you're just trying to do it without implementing any kind of you know subversion mechanism or whatever then yeah you can't do it so and it is illegal to copy encrypted content but that's a whole other conversation yes it is okay so basically what's what's going on now so they're trying to wrangle over whether they're going to adopt this SEC rule the SEC is being a little bit more pro-consumer in this case they want to force the cable companies to say you know you have to unlock your set top boxes so if a paying customer wants to watch whatever it is Game of Thrones whatever else and they're not in front of their TV at the time that's being shown but they also they want to watch it like somewhere else they don't want to watch DVR it they have to let the consumer be able to do that right and the copyright office is saying no we can't because then you're just going to crap all over the copyright owners rights and there's no way there's no way to like licenses out correctly and all this other stuff so they're trying to figure that out right now so and I mean you got to remember too that the cable providers are obviously going to be putting pressure on anyone that they possibly can to salvage more ways for them to make revenue I mean if they could sell the ability to stream it to your phone to yourself while it's happening while you're on the bus I'm sure they'd love to do that don't don't some of them already do I believe so yeah like the on-demand video and all that but they're trying to they're trying to like increase or the SEC rule is designed to try to increase flexibility for cable customers and I remember that well I don't remember because I was either not alive or very young when this happened but we actually studied this a little bit in law school when the VCR came out and that was like the latest and greatest thing TV TV studios and movie studios and cable providers were concerned that oh this is going to lead up incredibly rampant copyright infringement and this is going to just you know undermining the entire system so it ended up going to court and we all kind of know how that turned out people use VCRs anyway to record or whatever people watch back in the 90s and everything was okay shows called family matters and people were still buying cable subscriptions so this is this is kind of similar but I think here the concern might be a bit different because back in the 90s you weren't just going to send out 2 million free copies of a TV show because you felt like it but these days it takes that amount of time to upload something onto the internet so and it's also a lot more user-friendly to record these days like it back then you had to you had to hover over your VCR and what's the difference between LP and EP I don't know long play versus extended play why are they named like this so I think that's pretty much it for the WAN show then guys thank you very much for tuning in thanks to our special guests who joined us John Taron and Nick actually I don't want to thank Taron thanks to our special guests who joined us John and Nick and Taron was here too and we will see you again next week there goes the train same bat time same bat channel there goes that train again fantastic always it is really nice and it's really nice closer to our and just like I've got everything working now the stream computer isn't being flaky so like volume is all leveled correctly before the show starts that's good