 Welcome to the WAN Show guys, it's August 16th which is actually almost my birthday. I know you give zero cares about birthdays and you had no idea that was coming but... You know what? I actually did. Did you? Because the last time it was your birthday I put it in my phone. Oh, good boy. Okay. Well it's my birthday and my cat decided to help me celebrate by peeing on my motorcycle jacket. So if you had detected the smell of cat urine about me, then um... No actually. That is where it was coming from, not from this vulgar shirt. That would have been equally plausible. Yeah, yeah. So this shirt is my special treat for all the viewers there today who wanted to see me wearing this kind of a shirt. It's absolutely horrible. It's for an upcoming video where my character is just sort of a horrible person in general. But anyway, we've got some great topics for the WAN Show. There's a new Witcher 3 trailer which we're gonna be definitely talking about. We've also got some exciting stuff. There's a ton of rumors about AMD's upcoming graphics cards. So we'll be shooting the breeze about that. Our special guest. Remember guys, our special guests are powered by Razer Comms. So check out the... Oh, it's a little bit higher than usual. There's a lot of headroom here. Our special guests are powered by Razer Comms. You can download it here. It helps us out a great deal. It's a voice chat client optimized for gaming as opposed to for talking with your mother who lives in another country. Like Skype, so things like the game overlays or the overlays won't kill you and disrupt your gameplay. All that kind of good stuff. It's free. It's beta. Definitely. Can't emphasize that enough for a lot of people who have been saying, Oh, Razer Comms isn't perfect. Yes, we know. It's not perfect. Razer knows. That's why it's called beta. I hope it's not like perpetually beta, like Gmail. Do you remember how long Gmail was beta? And Minecraft. Yeah. Although they both worked... Like Minecraft felt like a fully finished game. And he was just like, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. I don't want to. Okay, but this is legitimately beta. So they're issuing patches like every few days. Anyway, guys, definitely try it out. Try it out with your gaming group. Use the Bitly link here. It helps us out a whole heck of a lot. So our special guest this week is Ryan Shrout from PC Perspective. So we're going to be talking to him about AMD's new frame pacing driver, as well as maybe, you know, shooting the breeze about some of the some of the rumors. It's always kind of iffy how much the media folks can say and can't say, because once they actually hear something officially, then it's kind of hard to talk about it. Whereas if they're not the source and, you know, they don't know anything about it anyway, then it's a little bit easier there. So without further ado, intro time. Where's the intro? You have got to be kidding me. It's the exact same thing as last week. Yes, it is the exact same thing as last week. You would think that I would somehow predict that, but that is that is actually not what happens sometimes when these things do occur in such a way that I am stalling for time, which should be obvious at this point. Was that it? I think that this is it. Guys, we've also got a new sponsor this week. This episode of The WAN Show is brought to you by Squarespace.com. Squarespace is the easy way to create a beautiful functional website for your organization, blog, online store or more. Visit Squarespace.com to get a free fully functional trial without a credit card and use offer code LINUS8 to get 10% off your purchase for new accounts. So there you have it, guys. We are finally kicked off. So why don't we dive right into maybe one quick topic here? And then we're going to ask Ryan to join us because he is in the Eastern time zone and has very kindly asked to join us at the earliest possible opportunity so that he can sleep. That's kind of important. Yeah, I'm going to take a shot at him for that once he gets on here because real nerds don't need sleep. I think we all know that that's true. So what do we got as our opening kickoff here? Might as well jump right into the top one, which is EA Humble Bundle. EA Humble Bundle, yes indeed. So for those of you who haven't heard, I'm just going to go ahead and open this up on the old laptop here. Boom, there it is. The Humble Origin Bundle. Eight games. And I think the average price last time I looked was around four bucks, which is outstanding. Where is it? Four dollars and eighty cents. So it's actually going up. Now, EA has outdone themselves here, which isn't hard. Still taking shots. EA has outdone themselves here because normally the way Humble Bundle works is it's up to the person buying the bundle to decide how much money to allocate to the developer and then how much to allocate to Humble Bundle. You know, hey, thanks for doing this. And a charity. There's usually at least one charity tied in. EA has taken out the developer. They probably knew no one was going to give them any money. Boom, tssssh. Oh, I'm sorry, EA. You guys are actually kind of awesome this time. So you've got the option to give some money to Humble Bundle and then you have your choice of five outstanding charities, including Human Rights Campaign, Watsi, San Francisco AIDS Foundation, American Cancer Society, and American Red Cross. And you can allocate however much of the money you're paying to whoever you want in whatever proportion you want, which is just a really cool thing to do. They have sold over 1.1 million bundles and raised over 5.5 million dollars for charity. And people that are crying about Origin because it's the Humble Bundle, Origin Bundle. I think it's like five out of the eight games come with Steam codes. Yes. Look at this. EA actually, I'm not even going to, you know, tssssh, this because it's not fair. They have gone the extra mile here. Most of the games are available on Steam. We usually wreck them, but give credit where credit's due. This is pretty freaking awesome. Yeah. And you know, it's funny. We had some comments on our forum. Hey guys, EA must have been watching your last livestream because you burned them for only contributing, I think it was, 16,000 dollars or something. You know what? They're giving away their games for charity this week. They're raising millions of dollars. So that's the way to do it. Good job. There we go. The first time we've ever applauded EA on this show. Well, but like, yeah, we've applauded them like ironically, but not, but not seriously. This is serious. Serious applaud. Good job, EA. There's been some problems with activating Origin codes and stuff like that, but they are. I was saving that for like the punch line. Yeah, so Sims 3, there's been some issues. People haven't been able to activate it. There doesn't seem to be a clear answer, whether it's related to region or Windows 8 or EA's pointing the finger back at Humble Bundle about why it's not working. And then Humble Bundle saying that they might be region specific, but then some people outside of the US are activating them. So I don't know what's going on at all. They are claiming to be working on it and five of the games come with Steam codes anyways. So we'll give them that. Anyway, you guys, so the games that you get are Dead Space, Burnout Paradise, The Ultimate Box, Crisis 2 Maximum Edition, Mirror's Edge, Dead Space 3, Medal of Honor, and if you pay more than the average price you get Battlefield 3, The Sims 3, plus the starter pack, which I believe is two extra content packs. So absolutely outstanding. Without further ado, I would like to invite Mr. Ryan Schraut from PC Perspective to join us here on the WAN Show. So we're making our call. Remember guys, guests are powered by Razer comms. Download Razer comms. And let's add our guest lower third. Ryan gave us a fantastic number of options to choose from. Oh, hold on. I wonder if that's the thing. There we go. Let's try making our call here. Okay, we're going to restart this really quick. We're also going to add our guests lower third. So we have a special lower third for our guests now. Ryan gave us a fantastic choice of different options for us to use for his lower third. He sent us two pictures, both of which were this one. So that was a bit interesting. So speaking of the beta status of Razer comms, we're going to go ahead and delete system 32, which is one of the helpful tips that was given to us here on Twitter to help us diagnose any kinds of system issues that we might be having. There you go. Thank you, Christian Mollet, for giving us that great little tip there. You are truly a gentleman and a scholar. Ryan, are you there? Yeah, there you are. Alright. So how's it going? How's the PC reviewing biz? It goes. It continues. It's a never ending process, as you're aware. Some weeks more exciting than others, but I have a feeling that the rest of the year will be as exciting as the early part of the summer was. Well, that is a very, very helpful clue for the viewers, I think, if they know what was going on in the early part of the summer. And it's funny that you should mention that because I remember AMD saying something along the lines of, we are not releasing a new GPU architecture this year. And then, yeah, they said that, didn't they? They did say that. They did say that. You know, I think what they actually said at that point was that there were rumors that a new GPU was coming very soon. And they said, our product lineup is going to be stable through 2013. You can PR speak that in kind of any way you want, right? And then they kind of had a call and said, well, I think at the end of the call, they did kind of admit that there would be something before the end of the year. But they were very wishy-washy about it, and after they made the statement about stable throughout the year, how many weeks was it or how many days was it before they released 7790, which was actually not quite based on the same design as the previous GPUs. Right. Yeah, I mean, you're right. It wasn't that long. It's an interesting web they weave, right? All these companies kind of do that. And I think they were afraid of people assuming that, you know, they were going to release new GPUs in June or July and thus kind of killing any possible sales in the March, April, May timeframe. You know, that's always what you got to, with any release of hardware or gadgets or whatever, you don't want people to know about the new one too early. Otherwise, they won't want to buy the old one that you have warehouses and warehouses of. Which is funny because so many different companies take such different approaches to this. You look at Intel, where their roadmaps are, I mean, even general consumers reading reviews on PC Perspective or other hardware sites are going to know what's coming for the next couple years. And then Nvidia and AMD, like they hold their cards like close to their chest to the point where, is there a purpose? Well, so Intel has that a capability because they're such a dominant player in the market, right? So they don't really have any real big competition from AMD in mobile or desktop or, you know, all-in-one PCs and that kind of thing. So when they give out their roadmap, they can change it kind of however they want. They're not going to be affected. They're not going to get dinged in the market. They're not going to get, you know, dinged by, well, they might get dinged by enthusiasts, but it's not really going to matter because the blip we make on their sales radar is relatively small. So because they don't have any real strong competition, they don't worry if AMD knows what they have planned. Whereas AMD and Nvidia on the graphics side definitely worry about what the other one has planned. That is a very good point. You know what? This wasn't on our live stream document. But I want to talk APU because these rumors have been swirling for a long time. And there was an article recently that was on a fairly non-credible site. I think it was PC Perspective or something like that. No, I'm just kidding. It was a different site. That AMD is going to abandon the high-end desktop CPU market. What do you make of this? It wouldn't really surprise me at all because Intel tries to do that every chance they get. Right. So Sandy Bridge has been around for way too long. Ivy Bridge is right around the corner. But Ivy Bridge, E and Sandy Bridge, these kind of high-end workstation processors that the enthusiasts buy into are really just that. They're server and workstation parts that are kind of being trimmed down. I mean, if you look at Ivy Bridge, if you look at Haswell, those parts really started like the 350 range and go down. There's no real high-end market in those, what I would consider mainstream processors at this point. AMD has a big disadvantage in terms of performance, in terms of efficiency. Their bulldozer architecture kind of flopped miserably. I'm sure you guys talked about when they released the 220-watt 8-core processor that ran at 5 GHz. What kind of a joke that actually is that it's a $1,000 AMD processor, an $800 AMD processor that runs at two times the thermal limit of an Ivy Bridge or Haswell that it can't really keep up with in terms of performance. AMD has brought in, actually re-added some of their better engineers, like top level engineers on the CPU and GPU side. I wouldn't really count them out 100% yet, but it's going to be at least 18 months, 24 months or beyond before we see a kind of turnaround. It takes that long in the microarchitectural world. It's funny you mention that because we talk about AMD and Nvidia jealously guarding secrets from each other, even down to things like the day of a particular launch when we're a month away. But like you said, adding a new architect to a team or new engineers to a team probably won't affect an actual product until 18 to 24 months down the line. It really raises the question, why do they bother? Well, so obviously if they're doing that, then they believe that there is still a market for discrete higher end processors. And I think what we're going to find is more of these overlaps are going to occur with the server and workstation world. There's not going to be any kind of dedicated desktop processors. I know everybody is afraid about the move of Intel to BGA only processors. And that's kind of an inevitable outcome with these $200 and below processors. It's just the way the markets are going to work. When you look at the way they trim costs on a motherboard, saving 32 cents is actually a thing. And you look at the cost of a socket, if they could stop putting a socket on a board, I think both Intel and the motherboard manufacturers would be giving it the old thumbs up. Well, I think the motherboard manufacturers will hate it because they are now responsible then for twice the product RMA. So if a processor has an issue, they're now responsible for returning that and replacing it and all that kind of stuff. It also means they have to have, if they want to even attempt to offer the same amount of choice, they're going to have to drastically increase their skew count. So if you get like an Asus Z87 Pro motherboard, now you want it with the high end processor, the mid range processor, the low end processor. I'm going to play devil's advocate here. And I'm going to throw this at you because having worked in retail, I've seen a pretty good cross section of RMA percentages. And CPUs are like one in a thousand maybe. Motherboards are a whole heck of a lot more than that. So I would actually argue that the CPU defects rate will affect motherboard RMAs less than end user error installing CPUs into sockets, which I've seen a lot of. I mean, that's entirely possible, I guess. Because I know for a fact that motherboard vendors hated it when Intel removed the pens from the processor and put them on the socket themselves. And that was kind of everybody took it as Intel kind of giving the finger to the board vendors and say, well, if you still want to play in our ecosystem, you kind of have to do what we want to do. So I can see that point of view that it would actually lower RMAs on that product as a whole, but it still would be a kind of pricing and skewing issue that Intel would essentially be shoving off to their board partners. They probably just have to have less skews. Like the Pro board might come with one or two different options. And that'll be that. And I think honestly, it's going to cause more problems for the retailers than it will necessarily for the board makers. Because you have to stock so much more stuff. And the product managers are going to have to be so much more educated than they used to be. You can't just kind of, you know, be a machine ordering every board, ordering every CPU and then just kind of watching what customers buy and replenishing as needed. You'll have to actually make intelligent choices about and at the product management level, both at the manufacturer and at the retailer where they have to decide what the end user will probably want. Because sometimes it's not that predictable. Like I'd put together bundles sometimes sort of on a whim. Oh, I need to fill up like a fourth bundle spot. And then that would be the one that would sell and I'd be floored. Unless it's like Sabertooth Z87 and 3570K. Then you know that'll do well. Yes. And I mean, that's another argument for BGA. Because if you paired a Sabertooth Z87 with a 4670K, I mean, Ryan, how many people do you think are buying a different CPU with that board? I honestly don't know. I would assume it's not that many, right? So the Intel kind of lineup is fairly modest as it is now in terms of what parts DIY guys are actually picking up, I'm sure. It's just it's I think when this happens, you will see people leave the motherboard business that aren't giant players already. What do you think about that? I guess this is going to sound bad. I'm OK with that, right? Compare the number of motherboard manufacturers today to what there were five, ten years ago. Let's go ten years ago. Soltech, Soltech for life. Soltech, Soyo, DFI was a big player. All these guys that used to try to make enthusiast DIY parts, a lot of them are gone. And we're really kind of left with a handful Asus, Gigabyte, MSI. You know, you've got others like ASRock and EVGA that are still in there that are doing interesting things. But it's it's really down to a couple of main players. But I wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me now Intel's gone essentially from that market. They're not building boards on their own anymore. That you would kind of really be left with like EV or Asus and Gigabyte. Maybe that's it. Right. You just never know. Fascinating. So I'd like to take this opportunity for a moment to ask you guys to direct some Twitter questions to Ryan. We're going to do a Twitter blitz with him before he has to leave us again. He apparently has to sleep because he's he's weak. Unlike the rest of us nerds. Yeah, I heard you. I heard you bashing me earlier for that. It's not the sleep. It's not the sleep so much as it is. My wife would like to see me on Friday, I guess is what it comes down to. Your wife actually wants to spend time with you. Yeah, I know it's kind of different. It's kind of different. But you know, I I do I do late shows on Wednesdays and late shows on Thursdays. And and it's it's easier that way. Speaking of which do take this time to pimp your podcast and anything else that you think people should definitely pay attention to you on Twitter. Guys, you need to follow Ryan on Twitter at PC per. But Ryan, tell them a little bit about what you do if they don't already know. I just kind of came into this with that assumption. Sure. So PC per dot com is the website we do hardware reviews of processors, motherboards, graphics cards. We do some laptops and some tablets and all that other hardware and gadgety type stuff. We've been doing this for a long time. I think it was something with somebody that doing this for over 13 years, almost 14 years now. Yeah, you're old man. I am. Trust me. I'm 31. I feel like I'm 51 when I see how many people move around in this industry as it is. But PC per dot com is the website. We do a lot of cool stuff there. We have our podcast, which you can get access to either the RSS or the videos or the audio files at PC per dot com slash podcast. We record that on Wednesday nights live as well. I think we have our own PC per dot com slash live channel, too. So if anybody's interested, just go to PC per dot com. We've got a schedule on the right hand side for all of our live events. And then all of our reviews and articles are obviously throughout the website. In fact, that was how Ryan and I met was he invited me to be a guest on the PC per podcast, which I would of course be happy to do again for you, man. So cool. Definitely throwing that out there. He hasn't invited me back though since then. So I might just fill it up. I just want more people to see my face everywhere on the Internet. Please, Ryan. Well, see here, you don't even I'm left to a caricature of myself in the middle of the screen. For what it's worth, it's really sexy. I like the artwork with the coloring with the green and the kind of matches the site design. I don't know if that was on purpose, but I like that. My guy is awesome. It's actually Diesel the intern is the guy who does all of our graphics and all that cool stuff. And I think he did a fantastic job. It's definitely on purpose. That's an intense that's an intense photo of me. That's from us from QuakeCon that I was at just a couple of weeks ago. I think that's the only still photo of him I have ever seen. No, there's one other one. Yeah, there are some funny ones going around. There's one from QuakeCon where somebody I'm wearing flashing red Cooler Master Kanye West glasses. And there's a guy in a horse mask behind me. So look for that. Excellent. So speaking of Kanye West, let's talk about one of the big things that PC per has been doing that has sort of rubbed people the wrong way. But unlike Kanye West has caused some definite positive change in the industry. And of course, I want to talk about AMD's new frame pacing driver. Yeah. Well, you want to know it's it's much better. Thanks, man. So basically, here we go. This is one of the articles on PC per dot com guys. Definitely check it out. If you search for a frame rating catalyst, 13.8. If you could summarize this in a nutshell, give us kind of the story, what you found out, what you reported back to AMD, what they said to you and what eventually came out as 13.8. So the drama has been going on for a long time, right, where we discovered that AMD's multi GPU technology has been producing some awkward results. Awkward is one way of putting it. They're very bad results. You were getting much lower observed frame rates than what you would appear to be getting when you looked at benchmark numbers and fraps in most reviews. And that was, you know, we kind of we worked out a new benchmarking system. We're actually capturing the output directly from the graphics card and then doing post processing, analysis, analysis rather on that data. And it took a long time. Right. So the idea of micro stuttering, the idea that people who for years and years really have felt that, you know, when I am running multiple GPUs, it doesn't feel as smooth sometimes as when I'm running on a single GPU. And that was almost as far as the analyzing got because it was impossible to quantify it in any meaningful way because when you ran your fraps benchmarks, it looked fine. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, there was, I mean, you went on any forum and there was a dozen people saying this and a dozen people saying that and no one agreed with anyone. Right. And everybody said, some people said, oh, I don't see it. And some people said it's horrendous. I cannot play on an SLI or crossfire system. And that went on basically since the reintroduction of multi GPU into the world of PC enthusiasts. And so the the advent of this, what we call frame rating, which is the ability to capture the output directly. I mean, the amount of data that this requires is tremendous. If we capture 2560 by 1440 at 60 hertz, essentially emulating a display, we're talking about 400 to 425 megabytes per second of write that we have to, you know, get into a storage system to get raw raw data out of it. So and sustainable. If you drop one frame, you have to throw the whole thing away. Correct. Right. If you miss if you miss one frame, all the data you did was wrong. So it took us a while to figure out the right hardware combination and software combination and get that to work. But we have done it. And what we did over several over several months and several articles was show here's where AMD is faulting. They're they're they're they're crossfires, not balanced. It's not pacing the frames out in a in a comfortable way that makes the animation smooth on the screen. And AMD at first fought back about it and then slowly, you know how you have like those five stages of acceptance. Right. So you can move in and you're angry at first and then you're denial. Yeah, yeah, you deny it. And they eventually accepted it. And they started work on a new driver. And this was not a minor task. They had to rewrite much of their catalyst software stack in order to get this to work. So they spend a lot of time and they put a lot of effort into getting this fixed. And with the catalyst 13.8 beta, they essentially have been able to, in my opinion, they haven't made it as good as what Nvidia has done with their frame pacing, but it's close enough that for the very specific situations, I would consider crossfire to be a problem. Andy, when I started one of the on-air plan, this is our single monitor. The passion. Hold on, Ryan, we're dropping we're dropping some frames on the stream here. Let's just see if it has to do with that. Sorry. So I think we're back now. It looks like we're not dropping any frames and OK. Here we go. And bringing Ryan back to the show. Oh, no. Well, we're trying to bring Ryan back to the show. OK, let's go ahead and give this one more try here. Man, I love this show. Anything can happen. You never know what's going to happen. In theory, we've got like news and we should be WGH live. What's going to happen? Yeah, like it could be absolutely anything. Oh, apparently, Ryan Schroed is calling me. Yo, dog. Hey, that sounds like the connection again. All right. OK, so let's look. OK, let's go to mine and Ryan's conversation. Apparently, that's what we're going to go to. Let's go to. Here we go. This. OK, so you were telling us about how AMD's drivers basically were not up to snuff. The observed frame rate was much lower and they pretty much rewrote a huge part of their catalyst driver to release 13.8. And this is a graph from PC per dot com. Tell us about this. So what used to happen before 13.8 is that your framing is reported to be different than we consider. Hold on. Audio quality is deciding that it hates its life here. We're not dropping any frames on the stream yet, but let's see. Oh, we're dropping frames. Yeah. OK, we're down. And we're back with reduced stream quality again, which is a most excellent thing. So, Ryan, let's pick up where we left off. Tell us about this graph right here to my camera right. So what the what the graph used to tell us before the 13.8 driver is that there was a difference between what fraps would see in terms of performance and what our observed frame rate would see in terms of performance. And our observed frame rate took things out that were we considered to call runt frames, frames that were too small to really matter or dropped frames that obviously never show up on the screen. Well, fraps sees things differently than what you do when you actually capture the video directly. So what 13.8 does, it implements something called frame pacing. And you have two GPUs rather than immediately tell each GPU to render the next frame as soon as the next one's done. What you do is you kind of you watch what the pattern of frames are doing, how long it takes each frame to render. And you kind of adjust the time a little bit here and there. You maybe pause a little bit before you send the data from the game engine to the next or for the next frame to the next GPU so that you get an even distribution of frames both being rendered and thus being displayed on the screen at the same time. And it's a it's more of an art than a science, as it turns out, because there's so much that happens between the game engine, DirectX, the GPU driver and then the GPU hardware itself. So it it's it's it's kind of something that it took a long time for them to be able to get right or close enough to write. And as I was saying earlier, like the 13.8 driver is a big enough step forward that I'm comfortable saying that AMD has fixed it for single monitor configuration. So if you have a 1920 by 1080 screen or a 2560 by 1440 resolution monitor and you have Crossfire 7970s or 7870s or you have one of the 7990s, then I think that what AMD has done has improved things enough for me to start recommending those configurations again. I should also note it doesn't fix DX nine games, only fixes DX 10 and 11. That was more of a time issue for them, I guess. But DX nine games will go ahead and give them the benefit of the doubt that those tend to be lower demanding on your graphics card. So, you know, if they had to put priorities someplace, DX 10 and 11 makes sense. Yeah. And it's it's not like that might come out when this isn't in beta anymore or something. That could be a future feature. I mean, with that said, Witcher two is DirectX nine. Yeah. So yeah, still pretty important. And but like I said, like it still could come. The other thing that I think is worth noting is this does not improve Ifinity configurations at all. So if you are a user that has a triple monitor setup for gaming, it's it's very likely then that you will also have a Crossfire configuration of some kind. And this this current driver does not fix that. AMD has said that they're working on improving that and getting that fix addressed to those resolutions as well. But I don't have a timetable for it and I don't really have a whole lot of confidence. They'll get that in place like before their next GPU launch even. Right. So actually, that was that was one of those next things I was going to say is how important was the timing for AMD to get this driver fix for them to have a really compelling story around their upcoming GPUs? Because for a long time they had that timer on their website. AMD, world's fastest graphics card for however long running for them to be able to realistically claim a crown like that. It can't be like world's fastest graphics card asterisk. If you run at this particular resolution with this particular configuration and this particular. The issue I had with that claim because the 79900 launched in the middle of all this promotion. Right. So when 79900 came out, it obviously depends on Crossfire to function any better than a single ray HD 7970. So there are claims of world's fastest graphics cards. I kind of shook my head and laughed at it. And it is if you look at three mark scores or if you're looking at graphs and you're looking at the experience of playing the game, then those claims could be made realistically. But the truth is it wasn't until this driver came out that I even think they had a realistic option of making that claim. But the world of reality and the world of public relations and marketing and advertising are very different. Not just in computer hardware, but in most of the things that we're involved with in our lives. Right. So it didn't surprise me, although it did. I think a lot of flack for in the online community and the forums and stuff like that from articles like that pointed out this flaws. All right. Well, you sound like you're on auto tune. Speaking of Kanye West again, because we're at the very limit of what our connection can sustain right now. I am very envious of you for even having the opportunity to pay however much too much you're paying for 30, 30 fiber, because I think it's time for us to move in that direction. I guess we'll have to let you go because we apparently can't do voice and video at the same time right now. But thank you, Ryan. Once again, guys. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Absolutely. And if you guys we can try to get another week. It's not a big deal once you get the Internet figured out and come on and talk about these issues and more when we know more about next views that are coming up in CPUs as well. All right. Why don't we schedule you in tentatively for after AMD releases their new graphics cards. I'm really sorry to the viewers as well as you, Ryan, because I really had a few more topics that I wanted to touch on with you that I thought you were going to have some great contributions to. So once again, guys, Ryan from PC per who talks like a robot little bit more cuts in there. But that was pretty good. Yeah, I know. Thanks, Ryan. Thanks. He really does sound like he's on. Okay, so hopefully this can hold. All right. Hopefully, hopefully Ryan's wife is okay with us taking up far too much of his time here tonight. And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So back to the regular show here, guys. I'm sorry. We weren't able to do some of the Twitter questions for Ryan due to the technical difficulties with our Internet connection. We're going to get in touch with our provider and see if we can get some kind of whitelist thing going on. Are we on a callback? I'm scheduled on a callback. So I'm running at some point. But yeah. All right. So yeah, they don't like how much bandwidth we're eating right now. No, let's jump into the dangers of online impersonation. Yeah, I think was an article by you. And this is awesome. This is freaking amazing. So this website is actually like a buddy of mine from the industry's website. I'm not going to name any names. He actually recently left the company he was at. And it's just like his personal site. And I really hope it loads for me. It's else. I'm just going to I'm just going to stop. I'm just going to shut my computer down. Apparently, we can't even load a website in addition to what we're streaming right now. Like we are at the very limits of what our Internet connection can do, which is phenomenally disappointing. If you can hold, I'm just going to go ahead and turn off everything in the house. Yeah, just just just do it. Hit everything. There's another thing. I'll deal with the dock. All right, cool. So our bit rate ain't ain't even that high there, guys. We were not we're not asking for that much. We're trying to load a page that is all text right now. I'm going to take a sip of water, calm my nerves. I'm going to like shut off Wi-Fi on my phone. OK, everything in the house is off or not connected to our Internet at all, except for the server, which I'm assuming you don't want me to do your laptop and that computer. All right. Yeah. You know, so there's a few topics that I can probably do without the pages. If you can tweet the URLs maybe from your phone through strategy, we can get people to see the pages that way. All right. And I won't turn on my computer, but if you can bring me to the dock. All right. What else do you want? All right. So there's Grand Theft Auto online and civilization online are two things that were very recently launched. We have let's talk to online because I want them to be able to watch the trailer with us optimally. OK, so the civil online even in here civil line is not in here, but I was going to do it as a combo topic with Grand Theft Auto. Of course you were. I find it interesting that these companies like civilization, Sid Meier civilization are releasing DLCs and planning new releases for their single player games that have maybe a multiplayer component, but then are also releasing an online version, like a non numbered iteration online version of their game. So GTA 5 is coming out soon, but then all these announcements about GTA online. It's just kind of weird. It's interesting market position. It looks very different. GTA online is sandboxy like GTA 5, but there's a lot of you can make your own little like combat levels and you can customize it. Is it just combat levels? All right. Here we go. 3G to the rescue. Oh, nice. And here it is, folks. So this is the GTA online trailer, which looks absolutely amazing. Yep. I didn't think about that. We're back at even lower quality. So there you go, guys. Back to the GTA trailer that we left off on here. I'm going to try pressing that again. So you can rob liquor stores. This is like a classic online multiplayer gameplay mode is kind of what they're calling it. And then they've got like golf because it's GTA or whatever. This looks awesome. I love sandbox. You know, the thing that this trailer left me wondering about is can you like be a cop? Interesting. I doubt it. But interesting. So here's just someone's like cool pad and here's someone's like cool garage with cool cars in it. So they've got racing game elements, FPS game elements, flying game elements. What appears to be like riptide, like sort of, you know, water. Jet ski, whatever. They're going to have everything. My one thing is I hope they make it big enough because it's GTA online. There's going to be a million people, actually more than that, trying to play. Well, they claim that they're going to be constantly expanding the game world. I just hope they start with it expanded enough because there's going to be a huge rush of people. They've got a map editor where they're saying they'll allow you to build your own levels and your own challenges and stuff like that. And it looks like a very solid map editor. Boom. So there you have it, guys. GTA Online. So you were tying this into Civilization Online. I just find it interesting that games, we saw this a while back and it didn't really take. And now it's kind of happening again where games are trying to release the online nomenclature on the end of their game, just release it and go with it. But I think it can actually work this time. Before, the infrastructure wasn't really there. Now it is. I think this GTA, maybe Civilization, but GTA more, I think, can actually run with this and have their more single-player, super graphics, super heavy, modifiable everything because the modding community behind GTA 4 is insane. Some of the screenshots for GTA 4 are just nuts. And really, really heavy single-player storyline, but then also have GTA Online. I think it was a really good move. It's interesting, but I think it was a really good move. So Civilization Online, or whatever you want to call it, because it would be Civilization 6 by this point? It would be Civilization 6, if that's what you called it, but then it acts differently because it is much more online than Civilization 5 is. Because Civilization is one of the worst multiplayer experiences ever. I mean, I've been trying to get a Civilization Online game completed since Civ 2, Test of Time. They have a freaking option so that you can have it so it sends out an email when it's someone's turn. So they can log in and then do their turn and then people can wait. So it's going to be more like Words with Friends. No, I'm talking about Civ 5. The newer one is supposed to be a perpetual environment, which is interesting. And I think this might fix their whole awkward online situation that they've had for a long time. So it's going to be real-time game, because you'd lose a lot of the Civilization heart. I don't know if there's not enough information out there yet, or I just haven't been able to find it, but you have your kind of perpetual main city and then you can make expansions and push out. And those can be destroyed, but I think your main city can't. Fascinating. Although I could definitely be wrong. Someone correct me on Twitter, which I can't check. But yes, do so. I will get that later. Yeah. Alright, well that's kind of exciting. Speaking of extremely crazy, exciting trailers, guys, check this out. So if any children are watching, stop. Yes. And there's a bunch of awards and whatnot. So this is the Witcher 3 trailer. Okay, I've got to stop this for a second. Did you just call it Milfgaard? They're trying to protect their women. Okay, now hold on a second. They call the place Milfgaard and then they're sentencing this woman to death by hanging? I mean, are they guarding them? Mind you, she's not even that old. Anyway. That's certain. Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling. Makes no difference. Come, hit me. Bring her down. Do it my way. You like that, you bitch? Get the hammer. She got deep, Din. The degree is arbitrary. The definition is blurred. If I'm to choose between one evil and another, I'd rather not choose at all. Just make it quick, Geralt. I bet she doesn't close her eyes. Alright, so that was kind of the punchline there, killing monsters and there's a big... And we're hopefully back, so... Anyway guys, our ISP says through Twitter that they are not throttling us. We have no idea what else it would be. However, we'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they're not, I don't know. But it looks an awful lot like that because as soon as we start streaming up, our internet connection goes into the toilet and decides to... it works. It works. Just very poorly. Very, very, very slow. You guys saw what the symptoms looked like. So what would happen was Ryan's voice communication with us would get very garbled, but things are getting through until it screeches to a halt. So it really feels like whatever's being done is whatever. I really can't think of anything else that would cause something like this. Linus even started doing his laptop off 3G instead of our Wi-Fi, so the only computer in the entire house running off the internet was this desktop. So we'll have a look. Shaw is telling the people that tweet them about me being throttled that I should direct message them and they'll get it addressed. So I have direct messaged them. Hopefully they'll get it addressed. Hopefully we won't go down again. So let's just keep this rolling. Good trailer or bad trailer? The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt trailer? I think it was a good trailer. Okay. But do you think it's a good trailer? But that depends on what you're looking for. Because there was no in-game material whatsoever. That's why I said it depends on what you're looking for. Okay. There's a difference between an in-game trailer and a hype trailer. This was a hype trailer. I personally like in-game trailers more, but still appreciate hype trailers. I just wish they would have released an in-game trailer first. Because the Grand Theft Auto Online trailer pretty much sold that game to anyone who watched it. Whereas the Witcher 3... Because what's the difference between hype and selling the game? It's still selling the game though. But... okay. It's drawing interest to it. Now everyone knows... everyone's seen this video now. It's been around so much. It's been tweeted around so much. Now they're interested. Now hopefully they'll get off their butts and release a gameplay trailer fast enough. And that will sell people. I mean here's my problem too. I actually didn't play through a huge part of the campaign or anything. But I've got a few hours on Witcher 2. I've got around 5 or 6 hours on Witcher 1. I played through some. They didn't suck me in. At all. And that trailer looked absolutely nothing like Witcher gameplay. Nothing. What I liked about Witcher 1 was the insane amount of customization and stuff. And the insane amount of things that you had to do depending on who you were fighting. But didn't find the rest of it very engaging so I didn't keep playing. I could tell that it was a good game. I just... I just wanted to do other things. And then Witcher 2... I got to this port city. And was just like, what do I do? This isn't sandbox enough that I can do anything I want. But then it's not straight line enough that I have no idea what I'm supposed to be doing right now. Which was... I don't know. I could have looked it up. But I was like, man, I'm just going to go do other stuff. Right. So, I don't know. I guess we'll see. But I mean, from my perspective, as much as I enjoy watching these cinematic trailers, like the Dead Island trailer... Oh my goodness. That was awesome. But that's the point of hype trailers. Like hype trailers are still interesting. Like I still remember that. Yeah. Never was even tempted for a second to buy the game. Especially once I heard how terrible it was. You're talking about the super slow mo one where everything's going backwards. The zombies. And there's the daughter and she flies out the window. Yeah. Outstanding trailer. So good. That's one of the few trailers that I remember the whole thing of. Never bought the game, never played it. But the thing is, they have to continue it. You have to roll off of a hype trailer. So you release a hype trailer, then you have to release other stuff. Release like a little bit of gameplay. Like Battlefield. They released some hype stuff and then they released the like 14 minutes of gameplay or whatever it was. That was smart. That was Battlefield 4. So good timing would be Gamescom. To actually release the gameplay. That would be perfect. If they do that, that would be like a very, very good transition. I hope they do that. Okay. That would probably be about the right time for that. CD Projekt's an awesome company. CD Projekt Red is just great. So I just hope they do it. Alright. So let's move into our next topic. Which is Google blocks the Windows Phone YouTube app. So Google is claiming that Microsoft didn't follow their guidelines. Their guidelines sounded pretty douchebaggy to me. Yeah. Yep. So I actually didn't really like the Verge's coverage of this particular thing. However, here's the link to the verge.com. Google blocks Microsoft's new YouTube Windows Phone app. So here's the basic story. Google has said, we're not going to build a YouTube app for Windows Phone 8. Okay. So Microsoft is all like, okay. Well, we'll make one. We'll do it. At our own expense. Just give us access to the API. Let us do these things. So then Microsoft released one that was actually pretty excellent. There wasn't very many errors with it until Google dropped the... Well, hold on. No, Google made them pull the first one first. Okay. So Microsoft broke a couple of Google's rules. So it allowed downloading videos. And it also didn't display any ads. So Google wasn't super thrilled about that. It's not surprising. They were all like, well, no. Stop that. And we need you guys to integrate support for ads. And you need to remove that functionality where people can download videos. So Microsoft was all like, okay, back to the drawing board. We're going to go ahead and do those things. And hey, we're going to add the functionality to upload videos while we're at it. So they re-released it. And Google has pulled it again. And they just dropped API. So all these people that are using it, it just randomly stops working. Yeah. And what they're claiming is that Microsoft's implementation and Microsoft actually has an awesome, like awesome public letter right now to Google where they basically are like, yo, dog, you didn't build HTML5 versions of your YouTube app for iOS or Android. In fact, behind closed doors, you've agreed with us that HTML5 is more of a long-term goal. And in the meantime, we have to have something to give our users. So that's why we did it this way. You know, I thought your whole business model was you want people using your services, not that you're going to try to differentiate your platform, Android, based on... Allowing people to access YouTube through an app. I heard slightly, I heard that, but in way more vague terms, which is, it's interesting to hear that part. Was that in a different article? That was in Microsoft's open letter. Like just Microsoft's open letter. Okay, cool. Because I heard just statements of Google being like, oh, you didn't follow our guidelines for the backend. That's what I heard. No, you had to make it HTML5. That's really interesting. Oh, no, their letter is fantastic. I absolutely love it. Let me just pull up a link. Yeah, Microsoft is hoping that a public message detailing the injustices. Here it is. They call it the limits of Google's openness. You may be... So this is from their corporate VP and Deputy General Counsel, Litigation and Antitrust Microsoft. Wow. Oh, yeah. No, this is not like engineers firing shots across each other's bows. This is the big dogs getting involved here. So this gives the whole history of what went on. And also says Google raises concerns about their branding. The funny thing about this point is we've been using the same branding since 2010 for an inferior YouTube app. Now that we have an app that gives users a fuller YouTube experience, all of a sudden they object to the branding. Finally, Google cites a degraded experience. Since 2010, Google has been permitting a way worse one. And reviews of our new app are unanimous that the experience is much improved. We're committed to continuing to make adjustments. If Google were truly concerned about a degraded experience, it would allow our users to access the new YouTube app that they love. We think it's clear that Google just doesn't want Windows Phone users to have the same experience as Apple and Android users. The statement from before where they're questioning Google's openness, that's very interesting because you know their 20% campaign that they had going on? Are we dropped? Apparently we're not down. I can still hear us. Okay, so what I was going to talk about... Apparently we're a podcast now. That sounds good to me. Google's 20% thing where they would let employees spend one day of their week working on side projects, whatever they wanted to do. And then there was the Google Labs project where you could see all these little random side projects and some of them turned into big things like there was a... I think Google Plus started as one of the lab projects, I believe, I'm not entirely sure. It says that we're streaming, however we dropped frames immediately. So we're back potentially at 240p. We've got people asking all kinds of inane questions on Twitch chat. No, we're not uploading videos right now. Separately on the connection because we aren't stupid. Yeah, definitely not. I individually went around the entire office and shut off everything. Every computer in the house is off. Even my laptop is tethered to my phone. And of course a much higher expense than a landline, which should in theory be giving me a reasonably decent connection. Alright, so we're back at 240p. Boom! 2013, here we come. Yeah, I know, right? What were we even talking about? I had segwayed us into Google changing their whole idea because for the longest point in time Google was this super open company that shared everything with everyone, tried to make everything free. Who's here? Probably B-roll. Shared everything with everyone, tried to make everything free, and was just making all this money but giving everything out, which was interesting, cool, and it worked. And then now they seem to be battening down the hatches, shutting everything down, and just totally not being the nice open, nice in big quotes there, company that we've known them for. So one of the big things that notified this was the putting more wood behind fewer area-less comment by their new CEO, new-ish CEO, and getting rid of labs and potentially rumored to be getting rid of or already gotten rid of the 20% program where employees had one day of their five-day work week to just work on side projects. So side projects are not really a thing anymore. They're going to stay focused on the big-biz stuff like self-driving cars or whatever else the case may be. Put all their employees behind it and work five days a week on that and maybe not really help a lot of people like Microsoft to develop their own app. All right, so let's go into one of the topics that I really wanted to do earlier and got cut off, and I really don't think you guys are even going to be able to read this. I'm just going to like blow this up as big as possible here. So this is the double-edged sword that is using social media to communicate with your customers. So Bruna Payne tweets at United Airlines, note the misspelling there, the United Airlines staff at Gate C8 in the airport, whatever that is, are a complete disrespect. Hashtag news, that just goes along so well with this profile picture right here. They are a complete disrespect. So let's go ahead and move down. United Airlines says, count your blessings, at JFK they throw knives. To which Bruna replies, is that supposed to be funny? AdjetBlue, for one, takes tweets regarding their company serious, might want to take some tips. No, it's a very serious warning. We hired bounty hunters to run that desk, and now we can't stop them. Michael tweets, for those following, I'm still stuck at Buffalo, at United Airlines, thanks for trying to fight the weather, you're doing well. Here at United Airlines, we strive to not let a little thing like the fury of God prevent us from delivering tolerable service. Yes, they are horrible in my experience, and I avoid them if possible. In our defense, it says on our website that we do not carry the equipment on domestic flights to cater to nerds. Quota, for stranding my wife at YWG for nearly 12 hours for a short flight to Chicago, excellent service, after the first 6 hours she technically belonged to us, you're just lucky we met our monthly quota. So this is amazing. So this is just a completely fake parody airline account. So this guy found out that for months angry customers had been tweeting it, and says, God has given me a great beautiful funnel, through which angry people flow in the worst possible mood. This is comedy gold. I absolutely loved it. What is the recourse for someone like United Airlines? How do they prevent this from happening? You have to go through the very few amount of tools that are even available to you, one of which is the official little checkmark thing. But you can't even apply for that. Really? Yes, verified by Twitter is not an application process. They have to reach out to you. So I can't even apply. So if someone else made at-linus-tick, for example, on Twitter, I'm sure there's going to be a dozen of them now, but if someone made at-linus-tick on Twitter, there's nothing I can do to redirect people to the correct Twitter account. You use the same photo, same background, it's way too easy. It's way too easy. I find it hilarious, but it's also worrisome at the same time now that you brought up the possibility of at-linus-tick. Yep. I think this is something that everyone needs to be aware of. I wish Twitter would take account takedowns more seriously. I tried to take over at-linus-tectips or at-linus-sebastian or something like that, where it was an obvious Twitter account squatter, and they basically said, no, nothing we can do. So I don't even know what United Airlines' recourse would be, because they're obviously United Airlines, so they're kind of a big deal. So there might be something they can do about it, but it's not in Twitter's terms of service to deal with something like that. So I think Twitter needs to be aware of this. I think companies need to be aware of this and almost need to keep an eye out proactively for companies that are impersonating them. And I think customers need to be aware of this, because just because you're tweeting someone who might look like they represent the company that mistreated you or didn't mistreat you or whatever happened, that doesn't mean that that's what's going on. Nope. And there's a Linus tweet. There's a at-linus tweet. Oh, that doesn't even look new. No, I don't think it is, actually. That Linus tweet's like Korean or something. Awesome. But yeah, there's not a lot they can do. And even, okay, if they get the account closed, look how much damage has been done already. And then there's probably going to be more. I don't know. Were we actually online when we talked about the Call of Duty Ghosts trailer? I have no idea. I don't know anymore either. I think we were. All right, so I'm going to load up this other article here. This is pretty crazy. So this is like crazy as balls. A high-end flip phone? Go ahead. So this was posted by No Treble on the forum, the original sources and gadget. Let me find my notes here real quick. So it features a micro SD slot, two SIM cards, which is cool. Maybe it's going to be destined for China or maybe it'll be somewhere else entirely. It's Android 4.1 bound on a 1.2 GHz quad-core CPU. And the outer screen has three touchscreen buttons on it. It's a flip phone. Even the article that he links, or his article, I think, actually, not even the article that he links. Yeah, no, his post is asking, is this regression or progression? Like, are we going backwards? Are we going forwards? Like, it's not very clear on this one. All right. Okay, so hold on. So two 3.3-inch, 320 by 480 touch displays, which is actually not a bad pixel density. So there's one when it's closed, which is kind of weird for a flip phone. And then there's one when it's open so you have access to the full keyboard. 5 megapixel rear camera, so it's not great, but not terrible. It's certainly not 14 megapixel. Okay, so it's not a high-end phone, but it's certainly much higher end than other flip phones. Now, I'm going to be honest with you guys. I can probably type as quickly on a number pad, like a tactile number pad, as I can on a touchscreen keyboard. Predictive text got a lot better after the initial sort of like, okay, well, I pressed it three times for O and two times for L. I can't remember what it's called, but there's that one predictive text algorithm that everyone started using right before smartphones came out. Q9, T9, T9. T9. Pretty good. Pretty darn good. It's pretty fast. And I mean, there's something to be said for tactile buttons, particularly old people. My dad, no interest in a smartphone, no interest. And when his phone dies, he's going to have to buy something. So what does he buy? So there you go, the Hennessy. Quad-core CPU, you know, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, GPS, all that stuff that you'd expect. My most interesting question is the exact same question as the guy that posted on our forum. Is this really going forwards? Or did Samsung just go, ehhhh? You know what though? When we were over in Taiwan, what did you notice? Everyone uses a flip. Everyone uses a flip phone, that's a very good point. And maybe it's a cost thing, maybe it's not. I mean, maybe the positioning here is premium flip. Is this baby's first smartphone, so to speak? Right, right. That actually kind of makes sense. As a transitional device, this might be the smartest thing they've done this year. Because Mozilla is trying to do kind of the same thing. Very cheap, but smartphone. And you know what? Maybe this is a response to that. Maybe this is just them observing the market themselves. It's not a terrible idea, it's just kind of weird. It's very weird. I like it. I do too. I've changed my mind since we started talking about this. I still don't know if... See, a big part of the problem is that we're in North America. Yes. I think it'll do a lot better kind of everywhere else. Yeah, I mean, here the expectation is for a couple hundred bucks. So I can save up my month of, you know, spared money this month. And I can get a phone on contract that's top of the freaking line. Donnie, sometimes you can get top of the line phones for zero dollars. Whereas you look at other markets, like South America is a great example. Where they'll look at something like an iPhone 5 and just be like, Oh my gosh, do you have any idea how much that... Not only do they make less money, but because of the import taxes and all of the tariffs that exist down there, you're paying well over a thousand dollars up front. And then there's a contract, and then there's blah blah blah blah. And you have to pay so much more because you're paying for the extra features. So the used phone market there is huge. Yeah. And then something like this could be potentially a big deal there. Yeah, that's interesting. Something to jump into, which isn't necessarily directly related at all, but I did want to talk about is Geek Squad stealing naked photos again and leaking them online again. All right. Do we get to see the naked photos here? I kind of hope not. Yeah, me too. Are they of Geek Squad technicians? No. Geek Squad should do a calendar, a sexy calendar. That would actually probably do pretty well. That would be a great PR stunt. That's really not a bad idea. Linus Media Group should do a sexy calendar. It would just be all you. Just a motherboard. Wearing nothing but an Oculus Rift. Oh no. Of all the terrible things that they could have come up with right now. So let's go back to that actually. Okay, so they... Allegedly. Let's just throw that out there. Allegedly. Although they have been hit with this before. Yeah, allegedly. We're not saying anything is for sure. Yeah. So this lady had her nude photos posted online, and she had never posted them online. Okay, so she says these photos were art, not selfies. She snapped to send to a lover. She never posted them on any social media, explained her attorney, claiming that his client kept them only for reference or professional use for art. Hmm. The art thing is kind of weird. I don't really care about that at all. You stole someone's digital property, which was not good to say. Well, that's just what they're saying is the evidence that it was in fact a Best Buy employee that took the photos as opposed to her just leaking them on... Right. Okay. 4chan. Is because it's art. Yes, because it was art, which is exactly why she kept them for herself and never actually posted them anywhere, because one of the obvious sort of rebuttals might be, well, if you had all these naked pictures of yourself on your computer, how can you prove that you never sent them to anyone? Right. So that's the argument here. So it may or may not be true, but they have had to settle these in the past. So, yeah. I wanted to segue from this into funny stories from back when I was in Grade 10 and worked at Geek Squad. Okay, let's hear it. Hit us with it. The worst of which was... Okay, I've got two really funny ones actually. One lady had us repair her laptop, and then when she came to pick it up, she came with this super jacked dude, and the dude was way more interested... I haven't told you either of these stories. The dude was way more interested in whether or not the laptop's webcam was working and Mike was working than anything else. And we were like, okay, I guess we can try it. Like, it was riddled with viruses. That's what I fixed. I wasn't trying out their webcam. So at the desk, I'm like, here, try it. So he loads up some weird-looking program, and there's like a chat box on the side, and I'm not really paying attention. And then me and my buddy are standing there with him, and he's slightly off to the side, and we're standing in front of the laptop trying to check if it works. And then all of a sudden in the chat box, I see, oh my god, you work at Best Buy? Oh, what is this? What is this? What is this? And then I read the chat box, and it's like, slurslurslurslur.com. Ah! So we were on a, like, cam website, me and my buddy. Nice. When I was in Grade 10-ish. Did you get paid? No. Another bad one was... Oh, you were underage, so they...guess. Oh, I didn't even think about that. Oh, trouble. I was fully wearing clothes, but I don't know. We had converted from being in, like, a back hall to having a more open office style, where people could see through the window into all the computers. Right. And so you plug in computers, and you work on them for a bit, and then you have to go help people at the desk, so people can see through the window thing, right? And people have a tendency to set their screensavers to their My Pictures folder. Oh! So many times, there would just be porn streaming in the background. And we wouldn't figure it out, because there's often just one or two of us working, we'd often just both be at the desk. Oh. Shaw. Maybe Shaw's calling. Okay, so I think the conclusion that we can draw here is that as much as Best Buy can have whatever policies they have in place, there's not really a whole lot they can do about deviant employees. So, you know, when people have unfettered access to other people's computers, if they're bad people, they might snoop around on the hard drive. And the other thing that there's nothing that they can do about is sheer customer stupidity. And let's face it, if you're bringing your computer to Best Buy to be fixed, you might not necessarily be the most technically apt kind of person. In fact, the article that we linked to in the Livestream doc, which will be available under the video description, pointed out that, you know, well, they should have had these pictures in an encrypted folder, preferably on another drive, blah, blah, blah, etc., etc., etc. But, you know, even not... You don't necessarily have to be a complete moron when it comes to computers to not know how to do that stuff. So there's a whole bunch of factors that are going on here. And I think it's a little bit more complicated, necessarily, than, you know, one individual's lawsuit might be. So allegedly sort of accused, blah, blah, blah, all of that stuff. We don't know what happened here, but there's certainly potential for things to happen, as Slick was saying, that are not necessarily the fault of the employees. So just kind of throwing that out there. So I would like to take this opportunity to talk a little bit about our new sponsor for the WAN Show, so I'm going to go ahead and fire this up. So speaking of people who aren't necessarily the most technically inclined in the world, Squarespace.com. They are officially powering the WAN Show as of... It was supposed to be last week, but we had some stream issues, and we ended up sort of not being able to do our mid-roll integration for them, so we saved it until this week. 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So if you want to create an online store, it'll say, okay, well these ones are pretty optimal for that. Or if you wanted to create a blog, it'll say, these ones are pretty optimal for that. And there's a ton of customization that you can do. So you can change fonts, you can change locations, you can add a bunch of navigation at the top. They've got 24-7 tech supports, and our audience will probably also like that in addition to the drag-and-drop interface that allows you to kind of go, oh, well, okay, I'm going to merchandise an item, just kind of drag-and-drop a picture in there, add a price, add an on-sale price, and then it's pretty much ready to go, you can actually use the Advanced tab or the Developer Mode tab to dink around with DCSS and HTML. So it's not just for non-techies. It starts at $8 a month and includes scalable hosting if traffic turns out to be much better than you expected. And if you use offer code Linus8, you can save 10% on your first purchase with a new account. So thanks Squarespace for your support of The WAN Show, and we're really excited to keep working with you guys because so far my mom's actually been trying to get a website going on it, and they've been pretty easy to use. She's actually at the cabin right now, so she hasn't worked on it in the last, I think, five days. But I am outright refusing to help her, and I'm telling her that I want her to go through Squarespace's tech support because to me that is the ultimate acid test. If they can handle her, they can handle pretty much anything because her question was, because when you buy a year, they throw in a domain for free, so her question was, what is a domain? So that should give you some idea of my mom's sort of technical level when it comes to the interwebs and all of those related things. So speaking of the interwebs, Cisco, the company that powers a whole lot of the interwebs, slashed 4,000 staff in spite of turning... Oh, boy. In spite of recording record results for the quarter. So it really sort of raises the question, what is going on over there? So they recently shed Linksys for not being profitable enough, not contributing enough to their bottom line or basically looking bad on their balance sheet. They have, wow, they slashed 4,000 jobs. I mean, think about that. You went to high school with probably anywhere from a couple hundred to 500 people depending on the size of your high school. So that's about like them slashing your entire graduating class times probably anywhere from about 8 to 20. Unbelievable. So what do they have to say about this? In the past two years, we have managed the business with discipline and focus to execute on the portfolio investments and operational efficiency opportunities that we see in fiscal year 2014. We are rebalancing our resources with a workforce reduction which will impact 5% of our global workforce. Now, as someone who runs their own business these days, I can definitely sympathize with the seemingly uncontrollable cost that is human resources. Something that a lot of people don't know is that the amount that you get on your paycheck in your bank account, so yes, Uncle Sam or Mr. Harper or whoever it is that represents your tax man in your country is definitely taking a cut, but there's also a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes. So let's say theoretically I had an employee at Linus Media Group that's wage was $10 an hour. I'm paying anywhere from around $12.50 to $13.50 an hour, and we don't even have medical plan yet. Remember, this is Canada, so when we don't have a medical plan, that doesn't mean you're completely boned. It just means that you don't have extended medical like dental, for example. It's something we're working on, but the actual cost is double-digit percentages higher than the employee even knows about, so I can definitely relate to that. But on the other hand, I take a bit of a different philosophy, I think, and hopefully Slick can back me up on this, where I feel like if Linus Media Group is doing well and we're making money, the people that got us there should be getting a reward as opposed to getting their jobs cut or getting their salaries cut. I assume you're talking about Cisco. Yeah, I'm talking about the Cisco thing. I'm going to be perfectly blunt with the viewers right now. I haven't given myself a raise since we started Linus Media Group. However, I have done some raises and some bonuses, so there you go. I mean, that's not to say that I'm going to pay everyone $250,000 a year just for showing up to work. They're going to have to make sure that the stream is ready to go on time to see IX if they want something like that to happen. I don't take full responsibility for that. And definitely our ISP issues today haven't helped. But anyway, the point is I really don't like this at all. And maybe it's a good thing that Belkin owns Linksys now because I've got some pretty good bros over at Linksys that I don't want to lose their jobs. It's like 5% of the company got dropped or something. I don't know how much you've talked about it. And with that said, if you've worked at a bigger company, you probably know that one out of every 20 people there at least is a complete idiot. So maybe that was the kind of layoffs. Maybe, but... But if you've worked at a big company that's gone through layoffs, you probably know that it's not always that way. No, it's not always that way. And a lot of times it becomes friendships instead of actual productivity. Friendships and seniority and just goofy stuff that's not actually to do with competence. I know really good people who have gotten laid off when I know complete morons at the same company that for whatever reason still have their jobs. So... So we're not getting any help from them right now. Oh, Shaw? They'll have to be after the stream. Oh, okay. Refuse to do anything until I reset my modem. Okay, I guess that makes sense. Okay, well we don't really have too much left anyway. Lots of rumors about the upcoming, whatever it is they're going to call it, let's just call it volcanic islands. So AMD's new graphics cards potentially that maybe are coming, and I can't find the link in the doc for it. Down, down, down, down, down, down. Up a little bit. Way down. A little down a bit. There it is. All right, it's one of those stupid ones where the header is on a different line than the other one. So potential pricing has potentially been revealed. So according to Fudzilla, this was posted by Emma Long on the Linus Tech Tips forum, the HD9970 will cost less than $600. They speculate that it will cost between $549 and $599. That's really, really aggressive. That sounds about right for a high-end GPU launch. Yeah, but it's aggressive compared to what is on the other team. Compared to what's available now because NVIDIA just refreshed. They're not going to be launching Maxwell, like, tomorrow. So they're not necessarily going to have a response. AMD could have done what NVIDIA did because the rumored performance of the potentially alleged 9970 is rumored to be around 5% better than a Titan. So they could have come in at $1,000 or even $899.99 and undercut Titan. But it looks like what AMD wants to do is put pressure on NVIDIA to drop the price of Titan. Which is cool. Which is great. I like a cheap Titan. Because we're going to see Never Settle Forever is now running. So you have your choice of, I think it's eight games right now. And they're pretty, pretty high-end titles. If you buy a top-tier card, you get three games. If you buy a 7800 series right now, you get two games. And if you buy a 7770 or 7790, you get one game. And you get to pick whatever you want. And get this. I didn't even know about this until today. But if you don't like any of the games on Never Settle Forever right now, or you already have them, you can hold on to your ticket until December 31st, at least. And hold out for upcoming games. Or possible other games. Wow, that's cool. Yeah. That's so beast. They are really, really putting the pressure on. With the new drivers, upcoming potentially alleged GPUs, and upcoming potentially alleged game titles. Because, yeah. I mean, I've seen... I can't comment on the upcoming game titles, unfortunately. Because I have seen a deck. And I do know what it is. Hold on to your pants, guys. Hold on to your pants. I haven't seen this. I'm excited. That's cool. That's incredibly exciting. Have you talked about baby monitors? No! Wow, guys. Secure your freaking Wi-Fi. Do it now. This was posted by Ion Basa on the forum. And this was an article from CNET.com. And there's more on ABC. Go, Slick! So, some guy hacked into some other guy's router. Accessed their network-enabled baby monitor. And started shouting through it. They heard a voice calling his daughter an effing moron. And telling her to wake up, you little... thing. The hacker began shouting at her parents once they came into the room to try and figure out what was going on. Called the man a stupid moron. And his wife a B-word. In front of their two-year-old daughter. And they're not even sure this hadn't happened already. At least once. So... Oh, man. Like... If you know anyone that uses network-enabled baby monitors, you're a tech guy. Make sure that router's secure. We're charging you to be personally responsible for protecting your friends and family. And making sure that this kind of... Because that is such a huge invasion of privacy. Oh, that's ridiculous. Not only does he have access to the video, but he's able to talk to them? Yes. That's not cool. Go secure your Wi-Fi right now if you haven't done it. Moving into our next topic, Xbox One claims it can do 4K gaming. So this was posted on the forum by the Bloody Toxic. Here we go. I just... I wonder, like... The amount of hardware it takes to run 4K well on a computer. Like... What frame rates is this running at? Here's the quote. There's no hardware restriction there at all. So in theory, the Xbox One could support 2K or perhaps even 4K gaming. If there's content for it at those resolutions. The source is Forbes. And I think the original poster of this link on our forum has some pretty good points here. I have two main reasons why this is just stupid. And why it's basically just a lie. This is quoting the Bloody Toxic. One, two dual titans in 4K barely are able to throw 60 FPS at a screen with medium settings on modern games. We're not even talking next-gen games. Number two, the Xbox One has one 1.4 HDMI output. Which means 4K is going to be at 30 Hz. However, I think the first one is probably the most valid. Because there was no way you were going to be pushing more than 30 FPS anyway. No. So... yeah. I mean, they've had a pretty good run of good press going lately. And the Kinect thing? I don't know if you've talked about that. We haven't talked about that yet. So Kinect is no longer required to run. Which is really good. Good job. And then you do this. What are you saying? You're just confusing people. It's not true. You're just confusing people. Xbox One is not suitable for 4K gaming. Mark my words. 4K gaming is coming to PC now. 4K gaming is not coming to console for a very, very long time. Well, at least 10 years, unless they have some crazy add-on pack or something. Unless they have some weird expansion thing. Well, hold on a second. Because it wouldn't be the first time that ever happened. I know. Yep. Sega Genesis? Yep. So it could happen. But it's going to have to be something that you slap on the console. Or it's going to be a revision 2 of the console or something like that. It's not now. I mean, how much do you miss cartridges at this point? Star Fox? This is a completely different thing. Let's just put more supplemental hardware on the game. Boom! Cartridges are awesome. I hate disks. I've never liked disks. Floppies were cool. Cartridges were cool. Disks suck. Disks always sucked. You're too young to ever have actually had a situation where you had a report that you had to print out at school only to discover that your floppy disk broke or just was... I actually did have to do that, but it was such a low grade that I don't think it mattered. They were so unreliable. They were terrible. But they were cool. The first time I got a USB thumb drive, it was an 8-meg drive. And it was the best thing that ever happened. That was one of my favourite technology things that I ever owned. I'm not saying they were good. I'm saying they were cool. I liked the idea of floppy... I don't know. Speaking of disks... Where's my topic for this? I don't remember where it is. Uh... Some game that I wanted to buy. Payday 2. Payday 2 does not have a physical copy. I think there might be a physical, crazy collector's edition or something that's insanely expensive. You know what? Who cares? Move on. No. I disagree with you. I think physical copies are the stupidest thing ever. They're dead. Ugh. But then you run into things like what if Steam drops support? What if something drops support? Like old school games. I can still play Red Alert. Okay. If Red Alert was a game running on a service back then, that wouldn't exist anymore. Okay, back up your Steam files. Because Valve said outright that they'll find a way for titles purchased through Steam to be still playable if they ever go completely insolvent or shut down the service. Ugh. Back up all your Steam files? Can you actually ask that of everyone? I don't think it's that unreasonable. If you can ask someone to buy a physical copy of a disc, which is like worth what, 20 cents? Who cares? Then is it that unreasonable to say, okay, okay, okay, here. Is it more work to burn a disc than it is to go to a freaking store to buy a game? But do you have right to burn that disc? To copy Steam files to a disc? Do you? Yeah, sure. You can back up Steam files all day long. They even have a built-in backup feature. If you can back it up to a folder, you can back it up to a CD. I still personally like physical, having something physical. And I still wish it was a cartridge. For console games. I think that we should probably all be able to agree that when it comes to movies, video games, and women, digital is just as good as physical. Of course you had to drop that. I don't think so. I still disagree. I still like having something physical. Okay, I'll give you movies. Not women. Dude, if I could give you women, that would be a whole other business that Linus Media Group is running. We have to put the significant others thing on there. It might not necessarily apply to everyone. Animated PNGs. Ah, yes. Animated PNGs. So the GIF, or it's pronounced JIF. Oh, it's... The days may be numbered for that guy right there. Here it is. There's a Kickstarter. Let Us Animate PNG. So this was posted by Ghost on the Forum. Ghost, you're awesome by the way. You were kind of annoying in the early days of the Forum, but we both really like you now. You're awesome, dude. Kind of annoying because he told us everything was broken. Well, yeah. He was right. I think he even stopped coming to the Forum at some point. He did. He came back when we fixed it. I'm glad he came back because I like him. Anyways, so you can view a demo of the difference between a GIF... Why don't we play it? You have to have Firefox. Oh, that video, sure. Yeah. Let's play the video. Hello everybody and welcome to the Apingasm Animated PNG Tools and Standardization Project. The guy sounds like a total neckbeard....is the Animated PNG assembler and it is currently the only tool that fully supports creating Animated PNGs. APNGs like animated tools will have a Java native version and a copy script and JavaScript native version so that you can use in different places. Further goals include SVG and SMIL conversion and a full animation editor for SVG and SMIL. For more information, please see the project description. So, that's pretty cool, hey? Stop! Oh, sorry. I'm trying to stop the thing. I'm not having success here. I think that's awesome. It is awesome. I like everything about it. I'm surprised it got funded. And it got funded fast. Yeah. So they have beat their $5,000 goal in only eight days, which is outstanding. That's awesome. In fact, quite a few backers, one backer pledged $2,500. So there was a single backer that's like, yep, here we go. So what does he get? Ports of our base APNG libraries and tools for the language platform of your choice. You and your company will be fully accredited. Fully accredited. Cool. So, um... It's better. Yeah, it's time for... In like every way. I'm stoked. That's cool. So 4chan can be in HD now. 4chan's a little... What? No, just everything, half the things that are posted on there are animated gifs as far as I can tell, so... So now it can like look better. Or we can even have even higher resolution, disgusting animated stuff on like the armpit of the internet. It looks a lot better. It takes less data. And like the most ridiculous thing with gifs is how long they take to load. Right. Try not to say gif. Um, because they just take forever to load. So I don't know. Everything is better about this. My favorite thing is that it just takes less. I'm excited about transparency support. That's cool. That's really cool. That's definitely cool. I mean that's something that would be great for even things like Wanshow. If we could have like an animated thing that supports alpha channels that's transparent so we could have like moving junk. Um, I mean... We're gonna go back to like... Xsplit's gonna have to, you know, step things up a little bit too, but... We're gonna have to go back to like 90s level internet webpages. 2002, a little bit past 90s. Speaking of going back in time, check this out. So the upcoming... Oh, oh wow. The page has been pulled down. Okay, well at any rate, um, the upcoming Ivy Bridge E4670K has been delidded by one of the overclockers over on Koolowler.com. And basically, they've discovered that the IHS is soldered down to the CPU core. This does a couple of things. Number one is it makes it harder to remove. Yep, he destroyed his chip doing that. Yep. Number two is it de-incentivizes people to remove the bloody thing because you're going to get better thermal performance by having the die soldered to the top of the integrated heat spreader versus having a thermal compound in there. Um, it also means that there won't be as much inconsistency because having a solid metal layer means no air pockets can get stuck. And the IHS won't be as prone to being sort of not attached in one spot or whatever else the case may be. So that's great. I guess what Intel's saying is when it comes to our server-grade products, we do actually know that solder is better. So they do know. Deep down, they do know. I'm happy to see this. It's kind of sad for the dude that lost his chip right away. He probably has a half a dozen of them. Like those extreme overclocker guys, they get like a tray of CPUs pre-launch and do a bunch of benching and all that kind of stuff. Right. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I'm not too worried about him. Yeah, that's awesome. Stoked to see that. Alright, well... BitFenix Prodigy M! Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is exciting. So, one of the things that was noticed by the reviewers and enthusiast community at large this was post by Sswely. That's Jackie! Yeah. Oh, I love that guy. He's awesome. Anyway, there's a product guided tour apparently. Apparently BitFenix thinks they can do them better than us, instead of having us do their product tours. Actually, I just I just got off an email thread with bitfenix yesterday where we were going back and forth pretty good We are going to be getting samples of pretty much every upcoming bitfenix thing So we will be bringing you guys more bitfenix videos So that's a new development that I don't think slick knew about yet No, but the the thing that people noticed about the prodigy was that it wasn't that small It was about the size of m80x cases, but took an ITX motherboard in fact Silverstone has a Went like full like you know shots fired mode against a bitfenix by basically saying well If you look at the actual volume of the case We have Like m80x cases that are smaller than this that like fit hardware pretty well, too So what they've done is they have completely rearranged the interior in order to accommodate an m80x board So they no longer have the flat mounting idea that they had for the ITX board It's again a vertically mounted motherboard. I'm gonna just like zoom in as far as I possibly can here 240p Okay, so there you go you kind of see it now, so here's where the motherboard is It's an upside down motherboard arrangement drives go I think here and then it supports liquid cooling in the back with a yep one radiator. Yeah, so There's yeah, there's less support like one cool thing that we saw in the prodigy before was the insane water cooling bills Yes, or if you would fit all the radiators, and there will be less of that there will be less of that But it's more practical case. Yeah, so Good work beat Phoenix. Love it, and I hope they keep around the original prodigy I hope they just have two different products. Yes, I think they're doing yeah, okay that is confirmed We talked to them about it at Computex when I I covered their booth Yeah, so I have seen this already the layout is actually pretty smart. It looks good cool looks good cool all right Unless you have anything else we ought to do we got to do the Yes, we've got some pretty epic ones that I know you've seen at least one of all right He did finish on time which I was happy about Whoo all right build logs of the week. Let's go ahead and download this mother on 3g Yeah, I know right Like my data bills just like whatever the good news is I have lots of oh, I'm downloading two instances of it right now Don't you hate that when you have two instances coming down, and you cancel the one that's more complete yeah I just FML low moments or like when you commit something to the printer queue And then because printers are apparently still stuck in the 80s you can never have you ever successfully Canceled a print job never I've only ever been able to do it physically on the printer, and it just cancels everything That usually doesn't even work for me. It's the it I do somewhat okay with that there was one time when I really had to cancel it like it was like 60 pages And what I had to do was I unplugged the printer and then just replugged it in Sometimes even when you do that. I'll just regrab the job and keep going it was an old printer So it didn't it wasn't that advanced okay cool all right so moving right along guys here project Cobalt by Jordan Mac this one boom It's just awesome. Holy crap like I wish we could show this in its HD glory. We're 240p. I'm sorry Jordan Mac Oh Okay, all of these guys like we're gonna show pictures, but check it on the freaking forum yeah They'll log section of the forum check the build logs of the week thread isn't this thing beautiful I actually tweeted a picture of this mid plate earlier this week because I was just blown away He's gonna be doing a comprehensive guide on how to make them and he's gonna be posting it in our guide section on the Forum Jordan you win. I'm probably gonna make one. I don't even know what you win It's so cool. You win seven of them though. Just seven things seven things so he's gotten paper cop kiper Yeah, he invented a new metal Yes copper piping which he has painted no plated plated yes no paint plating on the copper tubing and beautifully sleeved cables mayhem blue fluid gorgeous Yeah, drilled holes through this mid plate that looks like you could damage it because it looks like a freaking PCB Yeah, just oh look at the oh look at these tubing runs man The runs are super nice and like without the mid plate on it looked a little bit weird with his runs But then once I'm in plates on it makes tons of sense and looks great Yeah, and slick this is the I actually gave slick a GTX 670 Which he refuses to install in his computer because of the mini PCB boom if it's good enough for him. It's good enough for you boom Beautiful machine anyway guys go check it out great sleeving which we've just kind of come to expect There's a build this build I wanted to show like how he does the under lighting for the there we go So now you don't see the glare from the LED strips. This is what the side panel on man That's beautiful, so it looks it looks better, but it's not as comprehensive as the previous shot That's the only reason why all right moving on to our next build blog the 15 terabyte bit Phoenix Prodigy by Jim Starr 87. I thought you might like this one especially man Love it So there's there's not even a time to say with this one other than go look at on the bill logs because you probably can't See it ghetto mount SSD you win for that because I'm all about the ghetto mounted SSDs Get a mounted SSD a little fan that helps cool is raid card and then all the hard drive Which is a thing yeah those raid cards run friggin hot they should have better cooling on them No, because the way that they're specced is not for desktop installation Yeah, they're specced for racks. That's where there's expected to be like Turbine grade fans drawing air front to back cooling these things in fact right in the documentation for the LSI card I believe that I have in my machine. It says it expects X number of CFM of Constant airflow you can get one of those gellid PCI slot fan Yeah, that wouldn't make my machine look ridiculous My solution was to put the raid card down at the very bottom And then I have a basement radiator that it gets some incidental airflow from and it doesn't overheat yeah Here's another mall man. Just a better shot I just wanted to show that it was actually in a prodigy with the previous great choice of WD reds that is definitely the appropriate drive for a machine like this and Neptune by Jojo 69 very inappropriate Jojo disapprove of that number Oh my goodness at first. I was like huh what was so kind of similar idea to one that we saw previously But he he got his cable sleeves I believe these are extensions and then he sewed them himself together if you see those lines sewn together So fascinating the the threading doesn't look bad, and it keeps them in a very nice neat run Right that was very cool. That was a challenge that I had with my machine was like how do you make them? Yeah, stay together, so he sewed them together which kind of makes sense and that's and not to just bring attention to that It's a very beautiful build just it Yep, nice straight tubing runs always looks gorgeous Yeah, a lot of criticism for my overkill buyers guide Linus you should have used better angled fittings You should have done straighter tubing runs. You should have used clear tubing and a coolant etc etc etc Guys it was a build that we were literally going to tear apart as soon as we were done building it So yes, you're not wrong You're not wrong, but you're also not necessarily right because one of the things that I personally don't do is Invest in very specialized pieces of hardware that I can't continue to reuse Because when I build a rig my graphics card might be in there for well more so in the past I don't change it as much anymore But I would look at everything as it needs to be modular my graphics card might be in there for two more weeks Who knows? Saying that you have a 590 I know so it's less true these days, but that's always the approach that I've taken to a rig is how hard is it to work on this bloody thing? So that was why I would never use hard fittings between my SLI cards I always used tubing because I found it easier to disconnect and pull one card if there was an issue Same thing why I never used particularly angled fittings because I'd be doing motherboard swaps every three to four weeks So no, I'm not buying full cover motherboard blocks not in my dictionary That's yes, but that's not necessarily applicable to everyone No, it's not. It's just that's why I took that's my personal philosophy And if you if you were doing a one run of that build though, I personally agree with them We should have done tighter strider runs, but we're tearing it down like so So there's that and like that's we showed that was just a better shot of the computer But I want to do a close-in shot this one. You can see the threading a lot better No way. Is that one of those old Zellman hard drive coolers? Wow, you win the internets for that. I don't even think you can buy those anymore And it even matches the color scheme to build perfectly. Yes. I want to go back to that shot again. There we go gorgeous machine Really really good carbon fiber wrapped. Yeah, I was trying to I was like there's something I'm missing You can't find wrapped like everything that carbon fiber wrap absolutely beautiful All right. So I think that pretty much wraps it up for the WAN show today guys Thank you very much for your patience We are going to be on the line with Shaw pretty much immediately after this And we are going to see if we can figure out these issues for the WAN show See if we can figure out these issues for next week and I'm just going to call them right now. Hopefully next week's stream is not in 240p But thank you for watching anyway. Good night everyone. Thanks guys We will do an after party once everything's working Yeah, I think we're we're off for after party because the stream has already run a full hour Over time with us diagnosing technical difficulties. We get everything working next week I think we can we can confirm an after party if we get everything working this week And if you guys follow me on Twitter, you'll have seen that I now have a new workflow for taking the The video clips that we get out of X split which have our variable frame rate and making sure that the video and audio Don't desync so I should be able to get the WAN show uploaded sooner than normal And do you have any family functions this weekend? Okay, well that figures but if you can you get it up tonight? I can get it up anytime you want Tonight then