 Well, that took a little bit longer than I was expecting. I had it set to automatically detect the best server, and normally I just have it selected manually, so yeah. So that took a couple minutes there, but the good news is we're live. It's the WAN Show, and our topics for today are extremely exciting. Number one is Slick is sick. And I'm making him work anyway. Isn't that fantastic? Go report it to someone who thinks that that's a problem. I guess your mom would probably be the only one who would care. But she'll care a lot, and she'll let me know all about that. Intel has launched Ivy Bridge E. So for those of you who don't know what the E stands for, it stands for extreme, or enthusiast, or epidural, or fags. We don't know what it stands for, but basically it means that it's on the higher end LGA 2011 platform versus LGA 1155, which is what Ivy Bridge was initially on. Also, we have new details about Intel's upcoming Broadwell architecture. So those two topics in particular we're going to be discussing with our special guest this week, TinyTomLogan from Overclock3D.net, or Time to Live Customs on YouTube. And we're also going to be talking about Microsoft's big move, big power plane move, billions and billions of dollars to purchase Nokia's devices and services business, as well as license a whole bunch of patents and other cool stuff like that. And finally, Samsung's Galaxy Gear. I'm holding up my wrist as if I had one, but I don't. So maybe at some point I'll have one, but then again maybe not, because I don't use a Samsung smartphone, and at launch the Galaxy Gear will only work with the new Tab 10.1 and the Note 3, which might seem bewildering, but there may actually be a reason for this. So without further ado, intro time! So just a reminder guys, we are sponsored by Squarespace. So squarespace.com slash Linus. You can get 20% off on new accounts if you use offer code LINUS9. So I know that that text there is wrong. They actually updated the deal for this month like two days ago. So there you go guys, 20% off, use offer code LINUS9, and you might kind of go, well I've never actually heard of Squarespace before, why would I want 20% off, and why would I use offer code LINUS9 if I don't even know what it does? So Squarespace is basically an easy way to create your own website, they handle the hosting. If you sign up for a year they actually even throw in a domain. They've got a bunch of different templates, over 20 now, that allow you to configure your website, whether it's a store, or a blog, or a gallery for your hardware that you want it. Did I say hardware? I've got like hardware. A gallery for your hardware! Okay, please don't make that site on Squarespace, or anywhere. Thank you. Anyway guys, so Squarespace is our sponsor today, and a big thanks to them. And as always, our live guests are powered by Razor comms. I never get that right when I try to point them. I'm like, yo, somewhere. 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Goodbye, Skype. No more Skype. So there you go, guys. We shouldn't receive any sort of interruptions today. However, now that I've said it, it's like... Why do you always do that? I know, I know, I know. It's like I just actually can't resist. A reminder, our special guest, again, powered by Razor Comms, is TinyTomLogan from Overclock3D.net on YouTube. You can find him at youtube.com slash TimeToLiveCustoms. So he'll be on in a little bit. We're going to be talking about Intel's new stuff. But I guess without further ado, why don't we kick off our first big topic, which is Tesla's Model S is the safest car ever tested by the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration. How many of that car could they fit on top of its own roof? I think it was something like four cars. They could actually take four Model S's and stack them on top of one Model S before the roof would collapse. That's pretty insane. So you couple that with the fact that there's a bunch of stuff about the design that is inherently better, and then there's stuff where they went and made it better. So think about this. Okay, so there's no engine in the front. How do modern cars work? Older cars designed back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s were designed to be very rigid. The idea was that when you hit something, you wanted the car to be strong. And like, you know, you break through whatever it is. You want to win. Yeah, you want to win. But in recent decades, it's actually changed. And the way that they've designed cars is with what are called crumple zones. So the idea is that instead of like dead stop for those left for dead folks out there, instead of dead stopping, which can cause you to become dead because you hit the dash really hard. The idea is that you actually slow down the deceleration process while you're crashing by having the car crumple into itself, but in such a way that the passenger's area, the passenger is not affected. So Tesla, in their infinite wisdom or luck or whatever you want to call it, well, their cars don't have engines. So in the front of the car, instead, because we're used to a traditional shape, it's like when you designed a car, you know, 30 years ago, it was like, oh, well, okay, we need somewhere to put the engine. I guess you got two options, hood or trunk. And so most people went the hood route. Some people went the trunk route. So Tesla doesn't have an engine in the front. So what that means is because we've got a shape that we're used to seeing, which would accommodate that. And there's a lot of space there. That's a big old crumple zone, which is very, very cool. They've also designed things like the rear facing seats. Honestly, like I was looking this up last night and I was like, hon, should we get a Model S? And she's like, how much are they? I'm like, um, like 80 grand to start without the like rear facing kid seat that I'm about to talk about. She's like, yeah, I think you already know the answer to that. So anyway, there's a there's a they can install rear facing seats so you can seat up to seven people in it. And they have like a double bumper system that allows even rear collisions to protect those occupants. So, okay, so let's put this in perspective. You should have given her the safety speech. They spend anything on protecting the baby. That's right. Think of the children. Think of the children. So they exceeded every safety score for a sedan, then exceeded every safety score ever for an SUV, then exceeded every safety score ever for minivans. So even though it's only a sedan, it's as safe as those other vehicles, according to the testing, which was revised in 2011 to be much more much more difficult to score well in. Right. One of the other inherent things about it. So because batteries are heavy and the batteries are mounted very low down in the car, that actually gives it an advantage in terms of handling and also makes it extremely difficult to flip. So during testing, they actually had to use a quote unquote. This is all from Tesla's press release. So they had to use special methods to even flip the car because it's like, well, kill the weights in the bottom. Yeah. So now what? I mean, go fill a two liter full of like, you know, lead shot and like try to tip it. Right. It's like common sense, I guess. But obviously, if you have something like an engine that you can't just build under the car, then what are you supposed to do? So anyway, if you guys are if you guys are interested in checking out a little bit more detail about basically me getting all excited because I have like kids now. So I'm all like, oh, I need a car that's safe. I know. Right. I'm going to drive on a motorcycle all day. So it's not it's not only overall five star, but actually scored five stars in every single category, which has never been done. So I think this graph right here is supposed to kind of mean something. But the model is kind of like this weird outlier data point. I don't even know how I can write. Yeah, I can use my mouse here. It's like this weird outlier. So it's the relative risk score. And then this shows kind of everything else. And then it's like, yeah, you're good. So one thing that's also covered in the press release is that there hasn't actually been a fatality in a Tesla Model S yet. Obviously, that won't last forever. There have been some some pretty some pretty good crashes, but no one's actually died yet. And they also point out that there have been no fires. No fires, no single fire, not a single fire yet, not on a production unit. So there have been fires. Yeah. But but not not production fires. That's good, though. Yeah. No, it's outstanding. I'm like I'm like super thrilled because as much as this is super not relevant to me because I don't have any. I like I was putting on just for fun. Right. Like I was putting on like the options I'd want. I'm like, well, I want the extended battery and like, yeah, I want the sound system and like I want all this stuff. And and I was like, oh, yeah, it's like a hundred grand. Yeah. By the time I put in the stuff I wanted, it's like, OK. So what I'll do is I'll wait for someone else to decide what they want. Buy one like like lose their job and then I'll buy it from them. Yeah. Secondhand cars. That's how you do it. Never bought a new vehicle to this day. You know what, guys, hit us on Twitter at Linus Tech. Let me know your thoughts on buying a new car versus buying a used car. What do you do? And in one hundred and forty characters or less, why do you go that route? I'm very, very curious to hear what you guys think. Me too, actually. Speaking of hearing what you guys think, Microsoft buys Nokia's devices and services business. So this is interesting. So this is a post from Guns Cool on the forum. He's all like, OK, so what did Microsoft buy exactly? The original source is the Verge because they're awesome. And other than that one time, I had to kind of burn them on something. I was going to say, no, it's been twice now. Yeah. OK. Well, whatever. They're still actually pretty awesome. I still like them. Still really like them. So pretty much they're buying the devices and services division, including, I think it was something like 32,000 employees. Let's see. Yeah, 32,000 employees will be transferred. I think it was something like 16,000 of them or 18,000 of them were in manufacturing and distribution. So this is very much a hardware play. They're buying the hardware. They licensed their patents for 10 years, which Microsoft has the right to renew at their discretion. This was all for $7.18 billion. And the idea, so this was one of Balmer's comments on the latest shareholder's call or whatever kind of call he was on, it'll allow them to better integrate the branding and among other things. I mean, I really hope there's more to it than that. Yeah. But like one of the questions was like, well, you know, the branding's been kind of confusing, like, you know, Nokia Lumia 920, you know, Windows Phone 8. Like, what is that? And it is a good point. Windows Phone 8 is kind of a sort of kludgy, clunky name compared to Android or iOS. Catchy. And they always have. Yeah, I'm not going to get into that right now. But I really hope there's a deeper plan than that. So, I mean, it just seems weird. And then there wasn't it Nokia that just did the Kit Kat break thing for Samsung? Yes. So it's interesting that Microsoft is doing an acquisition being a very passive company. And they're acquiring someone who's traditionally quite aggressive. It's funny, though, because they've been they've been less like that lately. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's been my observation. I was actually pretty surprised at the Kit Kat things. I haven't seen them be crazy for a while. Yeah. And like, you know, Microsoft was going on the attack against you against Google for the whole YouTube app thing on Windows Phone. Where it's just like, here, we're just going to start like writing open letters and doing things like that. They've been they've been very communicative about Xbox one overall. You know, whether that was something things people wanted to hear or not is a whole other ball of wax. And I mean, they've gone back on a lot of the strategies that they were talking about there. But I mean, all of this is sort of very interesting, except that we're not going to see any of the fruits of this acquisition for quite a while. I mean, look at the Motorola acquisition by Google. Yeah. We're just now getting the Moto X. That's the first device that's actually the product of that acquisition, as opposed to being something that Motorola had in the pipeline already. So let's go ahead. I want to hear I want to hear what folks have to say on that Twitter blitz right there. So we got 77 tweets. Here we go. Someone says I'm not 16, so I don't buy cars, but I was buying a used car when I get one. If I had the money, I would buy brand new. It would be all mine. And that's a nice feeling. OK, I agree that that's a nice feeling, but that's a very expensive feeling. My nice feeling is having that amount of money in my bank account. Yeah. That I would have saved. That's a nice feeling. And like the four vacations that I could give on. Well, I guess if you could afford both. Mr. Lam says definitely definitely used. If I bought a car, be secondhand because I'm a student. I'm mechanically inclined, so I would definitely go for a used car as long as it works fine. Isn't an eyesore to look at? It's fine for me. Someone says every time I open my browser, there's an echo. Huh, that's interesting. I don't see anything. Is it Firefox? No. OK, well, at any rate, let's go back to let's go back to our Twitter blitz. Someone says your stream is on in the background. You know what? I think it's it's coming through these headphones. So I'm going to go ahead and shut those down. OK, new words usually better. Everyone loves shiny and untainted. However, if it works, why pay thousands more? OK, a vehicle is already the worst investment of money possible. Best to minimize the amount of money you're spending. Never bought a car because I'm just 16. Wow, we got a lot of young viewers today. New car. You get warranties and bonuses used equals higher chance it has fault in the warranty. OK, maybe because you can buy new cars that still carry warranty. Used cars, used cars, yes. And many used cars, even if they don't carry their original warranty, if you're buying a used car from a dealership, it can come with a dealership warranty that will last for about three months. Yeah, so I mean, I totally disagree with you. I'm definitely on the. But if you buy if you buy a used car from a random person is highly likely that it will not have any form of warranty on it. Yes, that may be true. Depends on what condition he's talking about. Someone says new, more fancy that way. Buying a used car is best investment ever. I paid less for my car than my computer used in good condition. OK, so basically people are pretty much pretty much in agreement on all this that used is the way to go. However, of course, there is the there is always that sort of that that brand new feeling. And I've done it before. Not on anything as big ticket as a car. But yeah, I've definitely done it before. It's like, yeah, I could get this cheaper, but but I'm going to get this. No. OK, do you want to cover Android Kit Kat? There's not a ton to cover there. No, no, just the the the partnership. So guys, check this out. As far as I know, there's no real money changing hands, which is really interesting part. But they're making a whole bunch of difference. They're making as far as Android shaped Kit Kat bars. Yeah, so they're going to have 50 million specially marked and are specially marked Kit Kat bars with with Android androids on them. It's going to be part of like a promotional deal. So the idea is that Google and Nestle are going to be contributing both ways to make this beneficial for everybody. There's also going to be 500 specially produced Kit Kat in the shape of the Android logo that Nestle is claiming took weeks to create in a secret location. So these are like, I don't know, like handmade or something. They've apparently been in talks about this since 2012. So it was like something ridiculous. So I don't know why it matters. They've apparently been in talks about it. It's great marketing for Kit Kat. I don't see it being that fantastic marketing for Android. No matter what dessert they chose, they would have gotten an incredible amount of news. Like I don't see this being super beneficial for Android. For me, the funny thing to me is that it took so long for Nestle to decide about this. When to me, it is pretty much a no brainer. Yeah, Nestle should have done this. Like I think it took them over a year to decide. I understand there are challenges. So in North America, for example, Hershey is actually the owns the distribution rights for Kit Kat bars. So, you know, Hershey is not getting anything out of this. You know, maybe the challenge is, I don't know, printing those labels and re-cadiguring whatever it is that they have to redo in order to change a label. But it seems to me like just the most obvious thing in the world. Especially for them. For Android, like I'd want money. I'd want lots of money. Well, that was that was our initial discussion before I found out that they didn't pay anything for it was, well, how much do you think this cost Nestle? Nothing. That's so weird because like like I just said, Android could have picked any dessert. It doesn't matter. They could have gone cream puff and like it would have gotten 10 billion different networks talking about it. Well, there is the whole letter letters corresponding to revisions. Right. Yeah. OK. So they were the rumor and Google even referred to it internally as Key Lime Pie was that it was going to be Key Lime Pie. But apparently Key Lime Pie wasn't recognizable enough or something. So I don't know. I wonder in terms of co-branding, like is this is this opening up like a whole like ball of wax? Like are candy companies going to be lining up to create like a huge like candy and like create a craze around it? Do you like a line with an upcoming Android like Mr. Big Nexus or Mr. Big? Why can't I remember the name of it for it? But those big those big ones. It's all has one. Oh, no. Mr. Big Note. Yeah. Or it's like and it's like a note for what's called Mr. Big Note or something like that. Like how how crazy is this going to get in terms of co-branding? I don't have a clear answer to that right there. So we have our guest coming up in about five minutes, but we've got time for one more topic before we get into that. Why don't we jump into the DRAM plant fire? So this was an article on TweekTown. So for those of you who aren't familiar with the way that commodities work, if you can find RAM for cheap, someone says still a lot of echo. I have no idea where it's coming from. The second you open this browser, minimize that. Minimize this. Okay, so so it's when I'm screen sharing. So there's no echo right now. Apparently. Which makes none of. Oh, there it is. Wow. Okay. Well, my bad. Wow. All right. So here we go. Best best strip size. No, that's not what I want. Okay. Okay. So for those of you who aren't familiar with how Hynix works or Hynix. I see now I'm all confused how commodities work. Supply and demand is pretty much the name of the game. DRAM manufacturers. I mean, you know, you can you can kind of point at any commodity and go, okay, it's possible for supply to so far outstrip demand that they could be selling at a loss. But traditionally, the DRAM guys, the flash guys before flash just went completely crazy and is in every device ever could even be operating at a loss because it cost you less to be running the fabs at full capacity and selling for a small loss than it did to not be running the fabs. So. All right. So that's fine. But when production capacity goes down and you can see here, there's a big fire and there's a lot of smoke that dramatically affects the price of whatever that commodity happens to be. So Hynix supports something along the lines of one third of the world's DRAM needs. And including I think they were saying this this particular facility was providing pretty much everything for Apple. It was it was going to be shipping out to any number of different devices. We're going to have the memory here integrated anything from, you know, obviously upcoming graphics cards was another one that could be affected by this. Even toys for the holiday season could be affected by anything that could possibly utilize those chips. Anything that could possibly utilize those chips will be affected. And this is something I didn't think about. But apparently the issue is not so much the fire, but actually the smoke. So the smoke damage. I mean, think about a clean room where you're allowed to have sort of, you know, like a handful like actually you can you can count them on your hand. You can have like a handful of particles floating around that are not like oxygen, nitrogen, like gases that are that are exist in the atmosphere in order to in order to classify as a clean room and in order to manufacture these products. OK, so now like dump a bunch of smoke in there like you got to look at something like that and go like, what's the process for even cleaning it at that point? Like, are you better off just like gutting it and like building a new one almost like how can you even clean it for clean rooms? I actually wonder. I take the walls down like don't rebuild the whole building. But like just you probably have to get rid of that stuff because I guess they're not using drywall. Think about how long something smells like smoke even once you get it all off, even if there's just a little bit left on it like I. This is going to be a big problem. And, you know, think about what happened with hard drives during the Thailand floods where prices doubled, tripled overnight. And it took well over a year for pricing to settle back into where it was pre flood to the point where now hard drives are super cheap again. But DRAM is going to be doing the same thing, guys. So if you can find any RAM on the cheap, go do it now. The second I read this article, I checked NCIX. The RAM was the same price, but I don't expect that to last that long. It won't last forever. Believe me, it will not last forever. So, you know, find someone who's selling it used or figure out how to pull the trigger pretty quickly if you do need a memory upgrade, because this will affect things for quite a long time. So I think we're pretty much ready to have to have Tiny Tom call into the show. I'm just going to go ahead and grab his lower third here. I actually am not 100 percent sure how how I can get this in here quickly. Oh, boom, you can drag and drop in X split. I had no idea. Maybe that's new. There you go. So we're going to go ahead and fire up comms here. So I'm supposed to join this one. There we go. Invite him. All right. Inviting Tiny Tom. There he is. Boom. And we are turning this bad boy on. All right. So, yeah, microphone, blue snowball. Do not auto adjust because we've had problems with that before. All right. Tom, are you there? He is not connected to Mike, but we also have apparently no mic signal. We also have no mic signal. You've got to be kidding me. I thought you guys thought you guys did a test call here. We did. Oh, OK. So did you happen to do the test call with the configuration that we're using? Kind of. Yeah. Kind of. Ah, yes. OK. Start razor comms from now on. Test calls are done with exactly the audio configuration that we're going to be using, because that will make everything better and that will be good. And then everyone will be happy. So in the meantime, guys, why don't you blitz us on Twitter? So it's at LinusTech on Twitter. Let us know if you have any questions for Tiny Tom or if there's anything you want to say to him in general. We will be doing at least one Twitter blitz with him where we can go through and answer some of your questions. So that's going to be a heck of a lot of fun once we get this going. And of course, when you're on, when you're under the gun, when the pressure's on, it's always trickier to get things working. Yes, yes. Awesome stuff. There we go. All right. So we're on voice chat. Tom, are you there? Are you with me? He's he's not. He's in the chat, but he has not clicked because you'll see the mic symbol beside him if he's actually joined. Ah, yes. OK. So let's go ahead and. Hey, are you ready? Turn on your mic. Ready. Are you ready? Hey, spelling is not a strong point for me. I think it was your typing angle. OK. Well, thank you. All right. In the meantime, why don't we cover something else that's really, really brief here? Oh, says my mic is on. Ah, here, maybe I'll just try calling him here. Sure. And you and I can just get like real cozy here. Can you hear me now? Invite me to this chat. Can you hear him? Yes, I can. You can just invite me to this chat. Hi, guys. Well, that was enthusiastic. Thank you so much for joining us here on the show. How are you doing today? I'm actually really tired. It's just after one a.m. in the morning. You're very lucky to have me up this late at night and not be in a nightclub. That and it's been a pretty busy period lately. Do you want to jump right into our first topic here, which is Ivy Bridge? You've probably spent a fair bit of time on this. Go. I've actually been told to say that slick is fired because of the audio problems at the beginning. But yes, we can go straight into 2011 if you like. Let's let's do this. So we I mean, honestly, between you and me, I mean, were you expecting any better than what we got? It's a bit of a difficult one, really. I was really hoping, as most people were, I was hoping the overclocking was going to be better to the point that when I got my sample from Intel and I told them what my original results were, because I've I've had a selection of C.P.U.s now, they I said to him, I can get four point five really easy. One point three volts. It's going to be I mean, that in itself is a little bit disappointing. I'm needing a lot more votes to get beyond that. And yeah, so I told them that I spoke to some ACES engineers and we are actually talking quite well again at the minute. And they sent me some more C.P.U.s. And I still struggle to get, you know, four point six out of it. But I suppose the thing that we need to kind of remember is a lot of people kind of fixate on that. I can only get four point four or four point five or four point six gigahertz. It is still keeping up with the really, really quick overclocking versions of the previous generation. So it really depends on what you're going to be expecting from your chip. So tell me this then in an ideal world, what would you have wanted to see from Intel? Because for those of you who haven't sort of read any reviews about Ivy Bridge or who know much about it, Intel has taken the approach where instead of using an eight core C.P.U. like they did on Sandy Bridge and fusing off two of the cores so it's an effective six core, Intel has actually reduced the die size of Ivy Bridge in two ways. So it's a native six core now. And then number two is they have actually shrunk the manufacturing process. So from a cost perspective, Intel has kept pricing the same. They have improved performance slightly, but they have dramatically lowered their cost of manufacturing this chip. Do you feel like you're getting an enthusiast grade product here, Tom? It's a really difficult one, actually, because the reason why they they are fused off the two cores before was because essentially they made one wafer for all of the 2011 chips. There's three eight twenty, the three nine thirty, three nine sixty, seventy and they were all the same. And that was the point I was just about to get to. They were all the same. All they ever did was speed bin, which actually kept prices down. And we've obviously not seen yet whether we're going to get Sandy Bridge E Xeons with eight cores or not. And I think that's really the point that we you know, that that will be the point that we know, you know, what Intel's got planned, because it's now making me wonder whether the Xeons are going to be much, much lower power use, but possibly more cause because there was talk a little while ago of them maybe getting up to that 10 core marker. So, again, it's still very kind of up in the air and we don't know, you know, really what's going going on yet. But from the enthusiast point of view, I don't think that we've really got too much to moan about, because if you've got enough money to buy a four nine sixty X in the first place, you're not really going to be worrying about, you know, if it does four point five or four point six gigahertz, all you're really going to be worrying about is the speed of your ram, because obviously the memory controller is much, much better on this generation. All of my original three sorry, all of my original 2011s, so the three nine sixties and the three nine thirty case, I struggled to get above twenty one thirty three. So you'd have to do the base clock overclocking to be able to get past that twenty one thirty three marker. Whereas the four nine sixty X, I could literally just go into the BIOS, put one point six five volts into the memory voltages, manually set my memory timings and just literally select twenty four hundred megahertz. And every single one of the CPUs I got would instantly boot up at twenty four. And that was even with all of the overclocking enabled as well. So the memory controller is much, much stronger. But the other thing that we need to kind of bear in mind is, yeah, OK, the overclocks are not great, but they are as quick as much faster previous generations. But they're also using a lot less power. We were noticing kind of at least 50 watts difference between the Sandy Bridge, sorry, the original 2011s and then these new ones and the three nine sixty X and then the four nine sixty X. So for them to be as quick with lower clocks and then using less power, they have made a little bit of a step forward. And to be honest, I think it's just Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge, eleven fifty five chips all over again. So I pretty much think anyone could have made these reviews even before the processors come out. If we really wanted to take an educated guess. One thing to add in defense of them, although as a consumer, I don't think anyone would care is that much. At least if you're buying one of these expensive chips is the lower power draw like you're talking about. If you're if you're if you're running servers, you can get charged per wattage. I'm getting this information from Winspeed, but he's completely correct. So one hundred twenty watt draw per getting twenty dollars a month increase. OK, but again, I mean, most of the people watching are not running server blades. Yeah, I mean, these are people who are saying like for consumers, none of them are really going to care. But the average gamer, well, the average user that's going to be using one of these CPUs at home isn't really going to care. The only time that the lower power usage is really going to make any difference is if, for example, you're like Crytek because they're based in the UK and I know they're just about to upgrade. They've got an absolute ton of four nine sixty X is just about to go in. And when you've got that many running at max for so long, then you are going to make a saving on your electric bill. But for someone that's, you know, buying it for home and is going to be running three or four seven eighties, they've obviously got enough money that they're not going to be worrying about an extra fifty pound on their electric bill at the end of the month. Right. Exactly. And you know what? It's funny you bring this up because we don't we don't have many guests that are from different regions and we're talking a lot about power savings, whereas here in Canada, where most of our power comes from the like falling water that's just everywhere, our power is phenomenally cheap. I mean, we're talking about when I crunched the numbers, even based on California, which is I think about two or three X the power cost that we have here in British Columbia, getting an 80 plus gold power supply versus an 80 plus or even like non 80 plus power supply. I'm talking it was going to pay for itself in like eight years. So from from my perspective, I give almost zero cares about, you know, the dollar fifty or five bucks that this is going to cost me per quarter to run instead of something that, you know, consumes a little bit less power. Tell me, give me give me your thoughts then on Haswell E. Because like you said, you or I could have done an Ivy Bridge review a year ago easily. So Haswell E, do we already know the answer? I can probably put a lot of you want to maybe want to watch the chat now on the right hand side, because I think a lot of people may start to get a little bit angry with me. But I don't think essentially the reason why Ivy Bridge E has taken so long to come out was because Intel hasn't got any competition. So they actively delayed it because AMD didn't have really have anything to kind of compete with it. It was very much like when the 680 come out, that was meant to have been a much lower end card and kind of essentially what happened is Nvidia. They saw the 770, the 7970 when that come out and they kind of went, oh, that's not as good as we were expecting. And they kind of juggled all the product line around. And that was why when the 680 come out, it was it was almost identical to the 7970 because they kind of I think the rumors were it was meant to have been originally the 760. And that was why the sorry, it was meant to have been the 660, 660. That's it. Yeah, I'm getting all my numbers mixed up. It's too late. It's like quarter past one in the morning. But that was why the 670 and the 660 had that much shorter PCB was because they were obviously they were meant to have been much lower cards. But yeah, obviously when X79 first got released, I don't know whether a lot of your readers or even whether you were, you know, whether you know the kind of background behind all the motherboard and the chipset problems. But Intel changed the 7970 chipset numerous times on the run up to the CPUs being released because originally it was meant to have PCI Express 3. Originally, it was meant to have USB 3 all on the chipset and Intel kept running into problems and they kept changing it, which was why when the 2011 socket originally come out, loads of the motherboard either they didn't have the full range out or like gigabyte. They were still running around with really bad biases and because stuff hadn't fully got tested. So with this one where AMD didn't have, you know, really anything to compete with because even their silly 5 gigahertz chips still can't really compete with, you know, anything in the extreme sector of the Intel range, even though, you know, the price is similar. Intel, yeah, all the prices drop now. So I think it's not in all the territories, but Intel slash prices on those chips by like $400 or something stupid. I know that was yeah, that was AMD, but I think pretty much that was because AMD, it was a very, very good marketing strategy because AMD put the prices out originally and I've spoken to retailers in the UK and they were still selling those extreme chips. Really kind of got in. Yeah, they kind of got in and got their money when they could before Sandy Bridge E come out and then they just slash the prices because they know that they're not going to, they're not going to sell them afterwards. And one of my friends, a very good friend of mine is actually actually works for AMD. And he said to me, we are not going to be sending those out for review at all because we know if a decent reviewer gets hold of these, they're going to, they're going to cut them to bits and we're not going to sell any and we just, it was, yeah, they just needed to get rid of them. It was just a classic AMD. Oh, we're going to do this and hope the fanboys buy it. I'm going to get in a lot of problems aren't I? I'm going to wake up in the morning to an absolute inbox full of complaints. But the reality of it is I don't disagree with you at all. So for those of you who are watching and are, you know, like preparing your fingers to write angry letters to Tom, the cold hard truth of the matter is that those chips were never designed to run at those speeds. Look at the power consumption. Those, the boards that go with those chips were never designed to deliver that kind of power. This platform was never intended to do this. This is not a real product. It's like, it's like if you were to pay AMD's engineers to come to your house and overclock your CPU for you. That's basically what you were paying for when you gave them your extra few hundred bucks. Yeah, when I when I got my original, I think it may have been I'd have to check my videos. I think it was the 8350 that the heat that that thing consumed. Sorry created was insane. And they did make it slightly better with the like the newer variant. But I said at that point in time, I was still testing on an HD 14 air cooler and I did need to 220 CFM, uh, Panoflo's was it Panoflo's? Well, anyway, 220 CFM fans, two hairdryer fans, just to keep the knock to a call. They were server spec fans. It was, it was insane. The amount of noise I was creating just because I had really pushed the overclock on that chip. So when they brought out that five gigahertz CPU, I was just like, you would have to be fucking insane to spend that much money on on a processor where the architecture is already kind of like, you know, 18 months or two years behind this stuff that Intel's given us. You know, even the basic kind of extreme level, which for the matter, you said earlier, you didn't know what the E stands for. It most definitely is extreme. Ah, okay. Well, there you go. So I'm going to throw something at you. This is totally unrelated because I want to move on to Broadwell pretty quick here. But are you telling me I'm talking too much Linus? No, not at all. I'm just, I, this is hilarious and I want to show it to the viewers who have never seen it before. So Tom was saying he needed to use some server spec fans on his NH-D14. Tom, is this before you came up with the concept of mounting more fans in order to get some ambient cooling? I already know what's coming. So guys, this is a little experiment with an H100. And how many fans did you have on there, man? Actually, that is, that's a very early version because there was 20 fans on one side. I think if you count, you can see 10. Yeah. And if you go a little bit further into the video, we go completely crazy. We put another 20 on the other side. So you may want to skip a little bit further in. There we go. Essentially what the idea with that was, is it was just to have a little bit of fun. But I really did not expect that that's quite literally the most popular video I've ever made. And I'm actually a little bit disappointed that the most popular video I've ever made is the one that was a complete and utter troll. Okay, so viewers, viewers, let me, let me just be really clear about this. Water cooling, no matter how amazing it is, if you're using the air around you to cool it is essentially still air cooling. So you're still air cooling your CPU, sort of your water cooling the chip itself, then you're pumping that heat over to a much larger surface area than you could achieve by mounting it directly to the CPU, and then you're going to air cool that. So Tom in this troll video is all like, well, if I put more fans on it, then it'll be like, what did you claim it was like negative temperatures. Yeah, essentially, well, basically, we took a version of hardware monitor, and we took it apart, and basically any of the temperatures that were there and if you go to the end of the video because people still haven't seen this. If you go to the end of the video there is a disclaimer. Just before people start trolling me it was a bit of fun and it was always that way all along, but we took hardware monitor apart. And we basically told hardware monitor to make the temperatures. I can't remember whether it was 80 degrees below what it should have been or 140 degrees below what should have been. So, basically we, we, we displayed these temperatures, and they weren't exactly, you know, true, but at the end of the video we did kind of omit it but the, the, exactly, exactly that that humanity to. We just said because of the static pressure. It could create amazing ambient temperatures, and I really wasn't prepared for the amount of people that might believe it to the point that there are videos on YouTube now where people have tried to replicate the results and they kind of feel a little bit guilty. If you add a second set of high speed fans so you've got push pull, and you add a just another four fans on, not, you know, like 20 or 18 more just another two fans on. I only managed to get one degree off. Oh, man, I'm sorry man I hate to dig up this sort of painful thing from your past, but it's really good because it was, it was a lot of fun I just wasn't prepared for the amount of people that took it serious, because I did put a disclaimer at the end, and I mean I'm going to look now just to kind of see on the analytics of the of my channel, which if your readers want to put www.oc3d.tv in it will take them straight to my channel but the ultimate Corsair cooling mod has had 22,000 views in the last month. That's amazing. Those are such big numbers for a year there for a video that is going to be one year old in 13 days. It's actually my most popular. It's either my number one, or my number two most popular view video of all time. And I'd kind of like it to have been one of the reviews to be fair. Speaking of reviews, I'd love for you to take a moment before we jump into Broadwell which will be our next topic to tell the audience, what you do, how they find you on the YouTube's and what your channel is all about. Pimp it. Okay, if we go right back to the very beginning because I obviously started the channel when I was in a shed, it literally in the middle of nowhere it was a really really bad camera really really bad lighting. And it was just because I couldn't. I wanted to start just making what used to watch Rodney Reynolds, and I used to see the empty cases and the five minute reviews, and I would watch one of them, and I would find that I was getting more questions at the end of the review and I was getting answers so I just kind of wanted to, you know, do my own spin on it and go against the MTV generation which was meant to have been three or four minute videos, and then just kind of make my own really in depth ones, and to be fair I still to this point, I know I could make, you know, because I see three days of business now do you know I mean there's no, you can't get away from that fact and you can't, you know, put me down because you know I need to make money now I've spent a lot of money trying to build this up and buy the website and stuff, but believe it or not I can relate. Essentially from one kind of website owner to another it's obviously you've, you started with NCIX I started working with OC3D and then I had the opportunity to buy out which was in December, but I've always stayed, I've always wanted to do that in depth thing and if you're going to buy a £550 graphics card like the 780, or you're going to spend, you know, £100 or £200 on a case. You can get the compact details from a lot of other reviews and there's nothing wrong with any of the other ones. But if you want to know the ins and outs of a duck's bum and kind of see that kind of understanding of how they're put together and the engineering and the understanding about how much they cost to make. That's the kind of really niche area that I take, you know, that I kind of get. And it was one of the questions I was going to ask you actually because I always get people in my comments saying, Tom, I really like your videos, but they're too long. Can you make shorter ones? But can you honestly imagine me trying to squeeze, let's take, okay, I did purposely go overboard on the 900D. I was about to say 900D that was like an hour 45 or something like that. That was actually George from Corsair. He kind of said to me, we want to make it feature length. And I did go into more detail than I wanted to, to be fair. But can you imagine me trying to shrink that video down to 20 minutes? It just, I couldn't have got it all in. There was a lot to talk about. And to be fair, I could make another one, at least another 30 minutes long about stuff that I didn't cover. And you know what? That's, I think this is, this is actually a great topic of conversation because viewers will ask me why I don't do reviews. It's come up on the forum a few times. Linus, why don't you do reviews? And my answer is invariably unboxings and brief product overviews where it's here's the basics of what you need to know. Here's a nice close look at it. So you know what you're getting that you know what you're getting yourself into. That's what made us big. That's what has grown our business and our channel and our viewer base. And that's what our viewers are telling us. They're clicking that button that says I like this. Well, let's face it Linus, you've got, you've nearly got half a million subscribers. There's no way that you can get away from, you know, the success. And exactly the thing is with mine is I know I've got a very, very niche market, which is why the amount of subscribers I've got, I'm still humbled by every month when I look to see how many more I've got. But if I can help just a couple of people a month make an educated choice away from buying, you know, one product, and then they might go well actually I might not need that. I can buy this product, then as far as I'm concerned, my job's done. Because the channel was originally started as a form of therapy for me when my mum died. It was never, you know, started as, you know, a way to make money or, you know, buy a, you know, UK website out or anything like that. And so, you know, I think that's the kind of angle that I take. And even that with my reviewers, they've all kind of, I'm not going to say change their opinions, but they've all kind of, you know, engineered the angles that they take on reviews to make sure that they give people, you know, a broader spectrum and lots and lots of information rather than trying to make it, you know, really, really short and just say everything's amazing all the time. And that's the last part of my whole thing is why don't I do in depth reviews? Well, because you can go watch Tom's, or you can go read on Nontech. There's, there's 100 other guys that are doing it better than we could with the limited time we have left after we're doing brief overviews of so much stuff. There's only so many hours in a day. And I think that's another thing that a lot of people don't appreciate with the work that we do is the, you know, stuff does take a long time. I've seen the sheer amount of videos that you guys have put out and it's like, how do they get time to do that because I know my videos are a lot longer so they take a lot more time to render and all that kind of stuff but do you put a lot of content out. I tell you something that would be quite interesting Linus would be for you to do a box opening, and then for me to do the review directly after, and it's both upload the video. So there's a challenge for you. We should try that at some point we should try that as a cross promotional thing is like look, we're, I mean, our motherboard overviews. We don't put a CPU in the board. I, you know, I got to be upfront about that. We're not going to do that. However, if you're just looking at specs, you don't need to know so we can cover the basics and then I can be like, yo, if you really want to know in more detail how far it overclocked with this particular CPU or whatever else. Tom's got a video over there. He doesn't have to worry as much about glam footage of this or specs that and can point people my way. I don't see a problem with that. Or you could actually you could do like the intro version of the review, and I could do the end version of the review, and we could upload the same one like for argument's sake, if course there were to release a new case which I'm pretty sure you're aware is pretty soon. You could do your intro. I could do my review we could both send each other each other's footage, and we could upload the same thing. Tell you what, why don't we do that as a collab. Well, hypothetically, if there was a case coming. Spoiler alert. Hypothetically, I think we both know there are and my Skype has just gone eight shit. So, yeah, I'm going to get in trouble in the morning. The best way about it is, uh, you're probably going to save me from getting into trouble or would you like me to get into trouble. Go for it. Okay. In my 350 D video, I did correctly name the upcoming model for the next course air case, and it's actually behind me and it's very good. Oh, man. There we go. I wasn't saying that I was pointing at who was saying that. All right, let's get into it. I didn't say anything. Let's move into our last topic here, guys. So this was submitted by skits 9417 on the forum and the basic news is the 22 nanometer has well processors have only been available to buy since June this year. But the focus is already shifting to Intel's next generations of chips and chipsets, nine series chipsets and Broadwell processor. So Intel's moving to 14 nanometer and basically it's going to be LGA 1150. However, new motherboard anyway, no backwards compatibility. Your thoughts. Okay. Do you know why they're doing it? Well, probably for much the same reason as every other time they've done it. And this is something I wanted to get into. So for those of you viewers who aren't aware of this, a socket change does not equal an electrical change. So when AMD was going through that insanity of nine three nine to AM two to a two plus and three plus and if FM whatever it is when AMD had a bajillion sockets going on 1207 on the server side, people were kind of pointing at Intel going. Oh, well, Intel had LGA 775 forever. Why can't AMD have a long lasting socket like that? Wrong. Seven seven five went through several electrical changes that prevented previous boards from working with upcoming CPUs. I mean, just because it's the same socket doesn't mean it's the same thing. So. Okay. So Broadwell. Okay. With seven seven five, I have run the entire range of seven seven five CPUs from pretty much like P 65 upwards when they when they changed the chipsets, they were adding stuff on. And this was kind of the old tick tock version of what Intel used to do like the P 35 only used to have a limited amount of PCI Express lanes. But if you went up to X 38, that was when you could then go into crossfire. Whereas with now they've kind of separated those parts into completely different sockets. This is very much a rumor that I've heard from motherboard manufacturers. I have heard that Intel have kind of admitted that the problems that they've had with Haswell and the heat that they generated is because for the first time ever, they moved the voltage regulator onto the CPU. And because of that, I had heard that Intel were going to take the voltage regulator off again because they wanted to drop that TVP back down because people were having such problems keeping them cool. Like with you know if you when you've done your own tests. If you use OCCT, you've only got to hit that AVX compatible mode and you'll get an you know go from an acceptable 70 degrees temp up to a 95 or 100 degrees temp just because of the amount of extra stress it puts on the CPU and that also in you know in tow means more power requirements. And I really had to wonder what they were thinking. Sorry. Just really briefly because you talk to someone like an Nvidia with their implementation of GPU boost 2.0 where they kind of went. Well, what kills chips voltage and heat and time and if you can reduce any one of those factors, you can make your chip last longer. And what Intel went and did here is they increased heat. So they said they took one of those pillars of CPU reliability and like we're like sledgehammering the bottom of it for no apparent reason. Your thoughts. Actually, when Intel did that what they also did was they they really put a very hardcore throttling in place as well. So if you're running your overclocks and you hit that which is a hundred degree threshold if you know any of your users out there want to you know go and try it. The CPU will get to about a hundred or a hundred to two and two degrees because it's always within a perfect percentage of the reader that you're using on your desktop. It will then throttle back massively and the attempts will drop back to about 6070 degrees and then it will eventually go back up again. And what we do need to remember is has well IV bridge and Sandy bridge. They essentially when they changed over from the 1366 chipset. They made this a lot easier for beginners to use because you'll remember with 1366 we had a lot of base clock options. Yes. So in fact, that's one of my most popular videos ever was my LGA 1366 overclocking guide because it was complicated and it was totally different from anything we'd ever seen before. Yeah, exactly. And the problem was is the the the users that were buying the 1366 socket were running into issues whereas they were they were buying like a memory kit and they couldn't get it to run it rated because the XMP profiles back then they weren't that strong. And generally if you wanted to get your RAM to run it rated you would need to do you know a little bit of overclocking and that did mean you know balancing the difference between the base clock and your memory strap to get your memory timings. And then if you've got your RAM running it rated and then you try to overclock a little bit more you'd start getting to the point where you know nothing was stable because your RAM was starting to run out of spec. So when they introduced Sandy Bridge and that very, very limited base clock where you had 100 to the start to start with, and you could only normally get like 103 or 104 out of it. And everything that the reviewers were telling you was to leave the base clock alone because you've got that tie in with 1600 1866 and 2133 memory and that whole reason that Intel went across was to make it easier for a very big you know a learner or a beginner or someone that's not really had these type of systems before to be able to just go in and go, actually, I just want to run XMP. And it was the, you know, it was the first time really that they'd had, you know, near enough 100% success ratio that you could buy, you know, and a decent memory kit and it would run it was only the real extreme end of, you know, when you started getting to 2133 and beyond that it would come down to how lucky you got with your CPU so I actually think it was a very clever move with Intel. So do you see moving the VRM on board as just an extension of that strategy of making it easier for the beginner then but then it just kind of didn't work out. I'm honestly not sure what Intel were trying to do with that I think it was probably to try and make maybe motherboards cheaper, because the the voltage regulator on the motherboard was so much bigger, and it did help to keep prices down I mean, and another thing that we need to keep about is it didn't need such a big voltage regulator anymore because has more as much power. The video that you did about the gigabyte said 87 I ITX board versus the Maximus six extreme. The reason why the overclocks were the same was because the CPUs don't need as much power anymore and this is I get, I get a kick out of it. Z 87 boards with multiple CPU power connectors. Yeah, exactly. They never gonna get to that point. Pretty much every board out there, if you're going to run, even up to like dry ice, you're going to get to the point where the CPU is going to stop before the motherboard does. And that's just because you know the CPUs are so power efficient now that even a basic motherboard with just a handful of phases can keep a decent overclock. Right, just because I know that you know the ACES panel on my Skype is flashing at the moment and to be fair, there is quite a few of them that are having a go at me. If you do have more power phases, long term the board is likely to last a little bit longer, and you may have a slightly more stable overclock long term. That's one of the reasons why I kind of went with the middle ground and I say that the the gigabyte M five and the MSI GD 65 gaming they're both 150 pounds in the UK. They are more than anyone is really going to want, and you don't. If you want to spend more money than that, it's not about you know the overclocking that you can get or the frames per second that you can get for spending more money. It really does just come down to the looks of the board and possibly the features that you get as well, which as I'm sure you're perfectly aware for a reviewer, if all the boards perform the same, how are you meant to review it? Because you're trying to sell a product which is a very personal choice. So we kind of have to go rather than it being an easier thing to review. We've now suddenly got to give a lot more details so that people can go actually yes, you know that is a very good feature that I need to be purchasing. I don't need that, but I may need this and they need to go and look for it. Absolutely. All right. Well, I think we're going to have to let you go. Thank you very much for joining us. We really appreciate you taking the time and I hope you guys and who are viewing to also enjoyed us having tiny Tom on so guys just as a reminder one more thing. Yes. Thank you very much. If your viewers want to go to the OC 3D website, we are giving away a 780 and I will give away an exclusive kind of little bit of a hint or a tip live on the one show and I'm not going to post this on the forums, but I will say that the the image that you're looking for is in something related to gigabyte. All right. That is a good tip. All right. Thank you very much and guys give our guests a warm sort of thank you in the twitch chat because it sounds like he's checking it out and we'll talk to you soon man. Cheers dude. Thank you very much. Take care. See you later. Bye bye. All right. So without further ado, let's head into our next topic here, which is going to be that. I yes, a couple of kindle news items this week. So I actually ordered one of these. I don't know if I'm just going to get real. I don't know if I told you this but I ordered. Oh, okay. Well, this is a different link. Now it has actually is actually changed. Yeah, no, that doesn't matter. We're good. So I was looking for where's the other link up here it is. Okay, so they have a new paper white, which is using a new display technology. I know that that's not exactly the same kind of you know hardcore tech that we usually focus on on this show. But what oh for crying out loud cable, whatever the new paper white paper weight. And then I think the first listing is like the old one or something stupid. Oh no, there it is. There it is. So it's the new kindle paper white. So next generation screen. So they're using what they're calling here. We're just going to go back to this is the one where the light bounces. Yes. So it's the new ink pearl to display. So what this achieves is much brighter whites, much darker blacks, and effectively higher contrast. Because, because, because, because that's inherently that. Because that's how contrast works. And then they've also increased the display density. So it's 216 pixels per inch, which might not sound that great, but you're not. I mean, you're looking at fonts that are going to be. It's not like full colored photos and it's made. Well, yes, it's mainly book. Yes, like it'll be far mainly book text. They've increased the frequency from 800 megahertz to one gigahertz added more accurate touch. They've made some improvements to the battery. So they're claiming you can get anywhere from I think it's like four to eight weeks depending on which model you're looking at. Now this is where things start to get interesting. Oh, there's some more software and stuff. It starts around 120 or 140 bucks or something like that. Sure. This might not even be the right product page. 120 bucks. Oh, 120 bucks with special offers. So that's what I paid for it. This is where things get really interesting. When are we going to see this go everywhere? They are selling a version that has an always on 3G connection that you do not pay for. Yeah, I bet you didn't know this. Okay, so how this works. And I have no idea how they're supporting this, but I'm thinking maybe what Amazon has done is they've worked on it. agreement with like every carrier everywhere to have 3G coverage on the paper white so that whether you're in the States, there shouldn't be any roaming because it's not your plan. So there must just be like a Kindle plan that's tied into the wireless radios on all these devices that could work anywhere. So you can't just browse your your internet. Yeah, I was gonna say you don't have that. Did I say browse your internet? You did. That was awesome. Pretty, pretty cool. Yeah, but you can't just browse your email. You can't browse the internet. You can't do that. But you can get books. But you can buy. Yeah. From Amazon. You can buy books. They probably they probably have a minor profit sharing thing going on. Smartest thing ever. That's brilliant. I did not know that. Like that's the smartest thing ever is like what does always on and connected everywhere even really mean we were down in Seattle and because of the horrendous costs of roaming with data or text or phone. I mean, we were effectively cut off from the world for four days. Yeah, it was sorry. It was $40 to get a like plan for me. Basic through my company up here. I had to pay them 40 bucks to try and get a plan over the border. So it's like yeah, ridiculous. Whereas this is the smartest thing ever. I mean, hey, Brandon. Brandon. He's got his headphones on. Do you want me to go get it? He has his headphones on. No, it's okay. I'll get him. Anyway, talk about why this is smart because it works everywhere. Because no roaming. Brandon. He basically just said all of why it's smart. But the idea that I came up with, which is a possibility of how this works is the profit sharing thing because somehow Amazon has to be paying for this. They have to be supported in some way because they're the only ones actually benefiting from this. So if they're paying for it out of pocket or if it's a profit sharing thing, they're keeping it just to purchases. That's why profit sharing makes sense. Is this it? What? No, it's a oh, it's this thing. Yeah. He has small hands. Yeah. So he's very excited. Oh, I'm so stoked. Mini. Get open. Get open. Oh, I'm not even on camera. No, like missing all the exciting like an unboxer who unboxes things off of camera. I know, right? Brilliant. Never mind. I wanted you to get the door smart guy. That's okay. I got it. You probably just heard you running around screaming. One minute. Okay. I probably always send it to you in little shopping bags. I know, right? So like as if I shopped for it, but I am so stoked. If you guys have been watching me for any amount of time, you'll know I love my HTC one. Did have an eval device for a Samsung Galaxy S4. So yeah, better battery. Yeah, some cool gestures and stuff. But I, you know, as a as a previous Apple, Apple user, you know, I was like, oh, I miss that quality, you know, like that, that sexiness, which speaking of which, I mean, we're pretty much done with the Kindle thing, right? Yeah, I'm done with it. I think there was one other thing, something, something, something, right? Matchbook rewards, loyal Amazon customers for past, present and future orders of physical books by offering digital ones on the cheap. That's actually like 99 cents to like three bucks or even free. So if you've been a loyal Amazon customer for like 10 years, buying all your physical books, boom, pick up a Kindle paperweight and you can like get copies of the books you've already bought on the cheap. Amazing. Now, if they really wanted to take over the world, they could offer like a trade in program where you like send in your books, convert your entire library to Kindle books, and then they have you as a customer for life because your entire library will be on Kindle. So if Amazon's watching, I'm not as smart as you, but sometimes I have good ideas. Okay, so HTC one is here. I got a Verizon phone, which means that hopefully that means that I'm not going to have to say one. Oh, I got a 32 gig one. Yay. I thought it was 16 gig only. I haven't actually looked at it since like the early rumors. So wait, what? What is this? This is a one. Did they send the wrong thing? Yeah, this is a 4.7 inch 1080p. Okay, well, I don't even know why this is here. I'll take it. No, I should probably let them know that they sent the wrong thing. That's what should actually happen, especially since we're live right now. Finding out that the wrong thing is here. I think the Verizon phone might be kind of glitchy as balls though, because my wife's phone is a Verizon Droid DNA. And that one's like, like still photo like photo messages because your own bell don't work. Oh, I have no idea. But it's it's anyway. Okay, well, scratch all that fine. Then we'll talk about Amazon's matchbook thing more. It's great. So you can get books. This has been the most random conversation about anything I think we've ever had. Well, okay. Random as in like jumping off topic and back on topic and explaining everything in two sentences and then jumping back to it. Not random as in we end up talking about like football field fights with remote control. That was awesome. That was awesome. You shouldn't you shouldn't question the awesomeness of that. So anyway, Amazon Amazon's amazing. And yeah, that's kind of it. They're like the smartest people ever. They're just going to take over the world like we should just all stop giving them our money. If we don't want them to completely own every interesting thing is that big giant companies that were super open like Google, Google is closing down every door ever. That's true as they possibly care. That's not does look that way. I shouldn't say that's true. Allegedly. It looks that way. And they're having some problems. But then Amazon is like, yeah, we sell stuff. So we're just going to give you all these options to buy things. So they're opening doors, but they don't have to open the doors that a company like Google would have to open. So it doesn't create other problems like how Google wants to close them now. So they're just opening all the doors by anything anyway you possibly can. And we'll take all your money and we'll take all your money and we don't even really care if we make money on it right now. Amazon Prime. Yeah, whatever. Money on it later. No problem, man. Just if you buy enough stuff and then it'll work out somehow. I don't know. Like Amazon's just crazy because they're so big and it just doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter that like like nothing really matters just because they're so ridiculously massive. They can do pretty much whatever they want. I've had quite a few people ask me about my new notebook. Guys, this is an XPS 12 from Devin. I've had a lot of people ask why I'm using it. And the straightforward answer is that Acer wanted their S7 back to which I said no to which they said, yeah. And so I sent it back. And so Intel sent me this Dell, which is an ultra book, which is better than my book. And it turns into a tablet, which the funny thing about it. Actually, I'm going to do a video about this later because it's part of the like, okay, we're going to send you this notebook. You have to like make some kind of video about it. That's the requirement. Right. That's the requirement. Just something. Talk about it. I'm like, okay. And I'm like looking at the other people they ceded units to and I'm like, these people have like 200 followers on Instagram. Like, what was the process for figuring out like who's getting a notebook? And I didn't ask that because it seemed rude. But the point is they sent me one basically I'm supposed to talk about it. One thing I will talk about now is that I did not expect myself to use the flippy screen thing. But I've actually found myself using it. And it feels nice. It feels really good. Sounds good. I've actually used it in tablet mode. It's much too heavy to be an actual tablet. It's more like just from a convenience standpoint, I'll flip it into tablet mode if I'm like on the can and just, you know, reading a website or something like that. And that's that's what I do with it. So there'll be a longer version of that later. And somehow that'll justify sending one to me. Samsung's Galaxy gear unveiled at their unpacked to event. So this was posted on the forum by Maru's Merceau. And actually he or she did a great job of fleshing out the entire thread here. So you guys should definitely check it out. Remember that we do post our document on the forum after the show. So you can browse through all of the articles that we're looking at. But if you want, there's a bunch of other sources down here at the bottom, including Mashable and BBC. So let's discuss that. How much how much have you looked into galaxy gear? So I was almost instantaneously not interested and then almost instantaneously interested in the Qualcomm one. All right, so we'll start with galaxy gear. Then we will talk about the Qualcomm talk. Should we bring up right away why I wasn't interested? Yes. Let's start with why. Okay, why don't we start with why you weren't interested? Go and I'll talk about why I don't care. Compatibility issues. It doesn't work with like anything. It only works with Samsung stuff and even out of the Samsung stuff range. It only works with like what two or three phones. It works with the Note 3 and the tab 10.1 at launch. However, it should be noted that Samsung has come forth and said, look, we know that's a problem. It's not their usual rigmarole where they're like, nope, it works with only these because where they do that a lot. I mean, even something like the original tab 10.1. You had to get a 3G version for it to work with their all shape. I was just going to read it. And I'm just like, what you got to get some sorry. Your Wi-Fi technology only works on a 3G tablet. Are you are you kidding me? So that's the kind of thing I'm used to seeing them do. But this is not that what they're saying is it actually has to do with the low power Bluetooth 4.0 implementation that enables the watch or wearable or whatever you want to call it. I mean, what do we the gear and enables the gear to communicate constantly with the phone in your pocket? So the gear is not a standalone device at all. It's a $300 phone companion. Now they showed off a lot of really cool stuff, but let's get into why I don't care at all. One day battery life is not good enough for something I wear at all. Period. And you can justify it all you want. But in much the same way that Google Glass is not ready and Google understands that it's not ready and they just have Explorer program and they don't actually expect people to buy one as a finished product. So Samsung needs to understand that one day is not ready. I don't want to go to bed and have a power bar worth of micro USB like wall chargers. So there's like your tablet, your Nvidia shield, shield, phone, watch. My like I might have an exercise bracelet thing that are booming right now. Or like or you know exercise socks that are all like also boomer. Big deal right now. Like you're going to. Okay. You know what? Okay. Ikea if you're watching next generation wardrobe. Okay. So it's a little thing where basically you like hang your clothes like in much instead of hanging your clothes sideways. It goes in the other way. And then we all standardized on where the plugs for your clothing go in. And then one side of this cabinet is just like USB ports. Okay. Well all the hooks could be near fields power charging. And speaking of wireless charging gear does not wirelessly charge the Qualcomm one. The Qualcomm. Okay. We're talking about the Qualcomm one. The Qualcomm one's awesome. I know. It's so awesome. Okay. So it doesn't wirelessly charge. That is a deal breaker. One day battery life. No wireless charge. How can I get in the habit of using something that will just like it'll never be on. And if it's a one day charge. Now what are we talking about a year from now two years from now. Well Samsung's going to expect you. I don't know by the note for and the gear to like I don't know. With that said Samsung's working okay and that and as a fashion accessory. I'm not really sold on tech. If you guys don't already know I'm a huge on fanboy like a fanboy out pretty hard. Anyway and I was basically saying well it's big but it doesn't feel like you know like a watch watch. It doesn't feel like a classy piece of you know fashion accessory. It feels like a really small phone on my wrist. And Samsung doesn't want to talk about it that way. But then they go and they build like a speaker and microphone into it so you can hold your wrist up to your ear and you can talk like that. I'm like why did you even make it a phone. Realistically why did you make it a phone. We already have Bluetooth earpieces and Samsung's like well we don't want you talking to nobody like those things so we came up with this idea. And I'm just like okay so now I can look like I don't understand that there's no phone in my hand. And that'll be totally normal at some point or it won't or something. I don't think this will ever look cool. I don't think that'll ever. Because like what is this. And like the thing about a phone is you can put it on speaker phone. You can switch hands. You can kind of look like. Just like dirty and stuff. Yeah I know right. Okay well you know my left ear I don't hear too well in that ear but I wear a watch on that. I mean okay we're teasing them right now but the reality of it is it's going to get better. And there are some really really cool things that they're doing. So Samsung's whole thing with the S4 was a lot more gestures and a lot more motion control. So one thing they showed off was oh okay you're previewing a text on your gear and you're like oh that's important. You pull your tab your note 3 out of your pocket. That email or text is already on the screen. Because it's all like yeah I'm being taken out of the pocket so I can check it. Okay that's cool. That's pretty cool. Gear has a camera which is 1.9 megapixel but who cares because megapixels are not important. The quality I'm not expecting to be very great. However it's neat that it's one swipe take a picture and it's on your wrist at all times. Okay it has a Cortex A9 which to me is sort of indicative of the sort of not specifically engineered processor that went into it. Could we have gotten two days of battery life out of it using a more efficient screen technology? This is why I pulled this out is because the whole one day battery life thing. How long is that actually going to be one day? This phone now consistently over the last few days. S3. 100% at 9.30 in the morning 10% at 4pm. I'm using it quite a bit right now. Like a lot. But still what the heck. That will not last me close to a full day. That won't last me a full work day. Let alone a full day. So yeah I mean. Okay hold on let's keep going. When I tuned in the unveiling had about 100,000 views. So I mean that's not as many as I expected but it shows that there's a lot of interest still. Yeah but there's also a lot of interest not necessarily because people are going to buy it. And they were unveiling Note 3 as well. And Next Gen Tab 10.1. Okay. Anyway. Okay heavily gesture dependent interface. Obvious uses. Okay. Why am I going to buy a wearable? Actually I pre-ordered a Pebble. So I don't know when it's going to ship but I ordered a Pebble. Why a wearable? Well for me the biggest thing is I get a ton of emails and texts. So if I can be like is this important? Yes or no? It'll save my wife from yelling at me about constantly having my phone out if I can check if something matters before I actually have to commit to using a bigger screen. Do I think that I am at any point going to use my wrist to talk to reply to a text message? I'm not much of a voice control guy. Maybe my son will be all about the voice control because it'll be a completely different paradigm. Whereas for me I'm probably still faster if I pop the phone out of my pocket. If it's intelligent enough to go you know bloop load that up on my phone and I can be typing as soon as I get it out of my pocket that's still going to be more efficient for me. But I will get a wearable just so that I can preview things. Because that's awesome. Samsung expects there to be a lot of development of additional apps. They're expecting to open up compatibility to others of their phones as well as third party phones. They were talking about that already. Which is a huge step forward again for their attitude. Which at times in the past I haven't really liked. Which is if you don't own the matching generation of Samsung ecosystem, the latest TV, the latest phone, watch, you know, butt plug, whatever it is that they have. You can't all share play with your butt plug if you don't have all the other things. I don't know that I would share a butt plug anyway. But you could play with it. Anyway. Let's move on. To the... Yes, to Qualcomm's entry into the smart watch game. I was expecting you to go somewhere else. No. No, I think we had gone quite far off there. The Oculus one. Oculus butt plug? No. Oh, that game. No, no, no. We'll do this first. Because we've been talking about smart watches quite a bit here. So, Gunz Cool posted on the forum. Great job. He's got two articles this week. The focus today may be at the Galaxy Gear, but none other than Qualcomm is entering the smart watch market with a device they're calling the Talk. So they're targeting the same price point, which is around $300. So there you go, guys. A smart watch is... it's been decided by the powers that be. $300. They cost $300. So there you go. So they're going to be using a different display technology. So they're Mirasol Low Energy Display Tech. They're claiming it's going to help deliver 3 to 5 days per charge. Boom. Voned. There is going to be no platform dependency. So text reminders, music control. This is something that I didn't talk to you about. That's awesome. It's like I was thinking, you know what someone should have built two or three years ago? It's just like a little Bluetooth thing with like Velcro on the back that you can like stick to your dash in your car or like somewhere so that you can use it to control the output of your phone. Just control your music player. Basically like an Apple TV remote except like smaller and Bluetooth. Because you're not allowed whipping out your phone while you're driving, but you are allowed to change the song. And like on my motorbike, I have speakers in my helmet so that I can use my GPS or I can listen to music while I'm riding but still hear what's going on around me. So if I just had a little like thing that I could stick to the front of my bike or whatever, obviously I can't reach into my phone to skip a track. And because the standards for like one button navigation are such a cluster hump whether you're using an iOS or Android device or whatever else, that's not feasible. So something like that would have been great. Boom. Smartwatch. So I can just be like, you know, bloop or whatever when I'm at a traffic light. So cool. Love it. Likely won't have the same amazing integration that Gear's offering like whipping out your phone and having it already looking at the email you were previewing which is amazing and cool. But after, okay, so... But yeah, it's going to be limited edition and it has wireless charging. Cool. It's like, okay, another furniture idea. IKEA, I hope you're watching, okay? Bedside table, nightstand, wireless charging surface. The whole top of it. On the whole top. Boom. Billion dollar idea. You know how they sell those like, you buy the table but then you can buy the glass top? Yes. Just have it so you buy the table and you can buy the like wireless charging top. Because that's IKEA's whole thing is like, yes, you can get the small length table with the like, you know, top. Like, I can't make fun of Swedish. I don't even know enough Swedish to tease Swedish people. But like, oh man, that's going to be amazing. So you get home, you know, you strip down, you take off your watch, your phone, your keys. I mean, by that time your keys will probably be battery powered so you can just wave them in front of your door and be like, I shall pass. You can with some. Yeah, well, there you go. So all that stuff can just recharge itself. I mean, even things like car fobs for unlocking your car. All of a sudden they could be way more advanced because everyone would go home, drop them on their bedside table and they could charge. So they could work from like three kilometers away and be like high powered, you know, bloop, bloop, I'm over here. Come get me, come get me. They have that smartphone. This is a slightly off topic, but I don't remember who it is. I think it's Ford. It has a smartphone app for, I think, one of their cars now. One of their consumer grade cars where you can lock it from wherever. That's awesome. You can lock it, unlock it, do whatever from wherever. So if you walk away from your car and you're like, oh crap, did I forget to lock it? And you just press the lock button and it'll be like, car locked. Yep, I vote for that. All right, so I think that pretty much covers. So that limited edition. So I have no idea what that means exactly. I guess what's there? It's probably like limited to 50, 500,000 units or something. Or maybe it's limited. Maybe it's like a reference design that they're just like, yo, dogs, hey, make some of these things so we can sell you our chips and put them in it. We don't actually want to be a smartwatch maker. We just want to build all the chips that go in all of them. Guys, go get on this because you're sitting around waiting for Samsung to release gear, Apple to release. I'm extremely excited about iWatch. I actually haven't been excited about an Apple thing in a while. But if their integration is tighter and better than what Samsung can do, which in the past is like, oh, and Apple's so good at the premium feel. Oh, exactly. It'll look better and it'll feel better. If they nail it, I might go back to iOS. Really? Yeah, because it probably wouldn't really integrate with other things. Yep. So let's see. Things are going to be heating up. This is expected to be like an umpteen billion dollar industry by like 2016 or something like that. Until they can completely get rid of them. Yep. Whatever the heck that is. It's very exciting. So let's go back to Linus's screen, submitted by Nick Trantz on the forum. This is Nokia's latest sort of shot at Google. So apparently there's... Samsung. Did I say... Well, no. Google. Oh, well, both, I guess. Mainly Samsung, but... It could be Google. Have a break. Have a, you know... Well, okay. How about you and I can debate who we think this is a shot at. The point is, they took to Twitter to put out this little have a break, have a broken in half phone in much the same sort of style as the old KitKat ads. Have a break, have a... Give me a break, give me a break, break me off the piece of that KitKat bar. And then there's another thing here. This is actually, I think this one's actually really funny. So I'm going to go ahead and zoom in for you guys. Check this out. So this is a Samsung Galaxy camera or Galaxy S4 rather, whatever it is, Samsung Galaxy, whatever. The only smartphone with 10 times optical zoom, whatever this thing is. Still it didn't see this coming. So they've got the Lumia 1020 with its 41 megapixel camera over there kind of going like, oh yeah, you know, what's up? What's up? Come at me, bro. So, okay, I'll give you a take on it first. Okay. They're going after Samsung because... There's a Samsung phone snapped in half. Okay. And they're a phone manufacturer. Okay. And they're showing another company's phone snapped in half. Okay. You probably could snap an S4 in half like that. You probably could. Right. So that's kind of the thing. Yeah, don't try. You could probably snap an S3 in half like that as well. Please don't try. It just flexed. Okay, I'm calling it a shot at Google. I think they're doing a shot at both. Because there's like, I don't think it's about the device at all. I think they just picked the most popular one. And we're just like, you know what? Well, I mean, because they're kind of both. They're kind of software and hardware now after the acquisition. So, okay, I thought that was going to be more of an argument than it ended up being. Well, they're obviously going after both. I just think considering Samsung's branding is like quite specifically on it. And like almost the whole photo is a broken in half device. They could have blurred it. Yeah, and they did. They decided not. Not at all. So that's why I was like, wow, that's pretty anti-Samsung. But it's definitely both. Goodbytes posts on the forum. Surface Pro 2 is a go. So the main highlights of Surface Pro 2 are Haswell processors. So if you guys were tuned in when we had Tiny Tom on earlier, Haswell definitely does improve at least one thing, and that is power consumption, unless you're overclocking, and heat output. So Surface Pro 2, is this the magic bullet? Back when we were talking about Surface a lot, back when it first came out, we both said that we were waiting for more high revisions. I've liked the Surface idea, I think more than you, because I like the idea of being able to have my desktop apps. I really liked it. No, I really liked it. For me, the whole thing was a tablet with a keyboard and Office. Yeah, but I like the Surface Pro idea more than Surface RT. Okay, yes. And the problem, my only problem with Surface Pro was that it was heavy and bulky and it was basically an ultrabook. I mean, by the time you could buy yourself an Aspire S7, which was just as thin, remember the S7 11 inch first gen? Yeah, that's a good point. Why do I want a Surface? This has an actual keyboard on it, versus TouchCover and TypeCover, both of which were usable, but they weren't great experiences. I really didn't like TouchCover. At all. And TypeCover was not great either. Not great, but TouchCover was... I preferred TouchCover, just because it was thinner. There's no feedback at all. But again, if I was going TypeCover, I'd go for something way better. Yeah, yep. So anyway, okay, we both agreed that Surface wasn't there yet. And Surface RT, I still think is just a total disaster because for me, the point is being able to run Office and being able to install whatever I want. And I think at the time you were worried about development tools running on it. Like it's got to be x86 or forget it. So I'm still excited about Surface Pro 2. So it's Haswell, it's got 8 gigs of RAM now. It has a new multiposition kickstand. So the original kickstand was like here or here. And it had a very satisfying click and that was great. But now it's going to have more position so you can put it at more angles. And there's also going to be an RT... With two angles. Two angles. One that will mimic a kind of laptop style, so it'll feel like you're using a laptop. And another one that's better used for uneven surfaces. So it's going to have 7-hour battery life, which is way better. Like way better. That was the other problem with Surface Pro is like who cares because it's irrelevant because it lasts for like 3 hours on battery life. It lasts for like 3 hours on battery. So with all of that said, my iPad sits in the corner and I don't use it. I've switched completely to the S7 when I was actually using my iPad a lot before I got it. And then after the S7 was... Ripped from your cold, dying hands. Not dead, but... Wrath from... Anyway, when that was torn away from me, I have switched to using this completely if I need a tablet. I use this. I don't use my iPad. Surface Pro 2 is extremely appealing to me because it's even more tablet-y, but... Better power consumption, blah, blah, blah. Way more flexibility than something like an iPad. I'm interested to see what iOS 7 does for iPad. I mean, Apple has an event coming up in I think 4 days where they're expected to unveil cheapo iPhone, iOS 7, and a whole bunch of junk. So expect me to be on Twitter. Hardcore. Hardcore ripping on everything they're doing. I might like it. Yeah, it depends what it is. Yeah, we'll see. I'm still not sold on tablets. I'm more excited for that one, but I just still want a real keyboard and a real touchpad. But would you... Okay, now having used that Vizio notebook that we have, would you buy a notebook that doesn't have a touchscreen anymore? I never used it. You never used the touchscreen? I don't care. Oh, all right, forget it. Right, you had a mouse and keyboard plugged into it, too. Yeah. Okay, that makes a difference. Both Edzel and I are pretty sold on touchscreen. Like, I use touchscreen a lot on my notebook now. It's cool, and if I was in school, I think I would use it a lot more. Right. But when I was just typing a lot, and the keyboard in that thing sucks. So I put in another keyboard, meaning I'm even further away from the screen. Right. So to touch the screen, I'm like, bleh, all the time. So it's not that usable. All right, so speaking of things that are not that usable, if you are an average person who is not particularly talented when it comes to, you know, making websites and whatever else. And again, I apologize. Our lower third is kind of incorrect down there, and I am very, very sorry about that. Edzel's supposed to send me a corrected one. So squarespace.com slash Linus for a free trial, and of course, you can use offer code LINUS9 to get 20% off on new accounts. 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And yeah, it's definitely saved us time and hassle. Because if you guys ever did check out the linusmediagroup.com website, you might have noticed it was down all the time because we were just hosting it out of a server that was over at NCIX in some room that apparently doesn't need power and networking and like, oh man, and the motherboard. And the shelf for it to be on and the motherboard doesn't boot anymore. Anyway, the old way is dead. So long live, long live this new way of doing things. Good riddance old way. Good riddance old way. That stupid setup. Oh God. Speaking of the old way, ooh, this is interesting. Google's Trojan horse, how Chrome apps will finally take on Windows. So this was an article from The Verge, who I love. Go to The Verge every day and then you won't even have to watch The WAN Show because... Stop saying that. Last time you said you won't have to go to the forum. This time you said you won't have to go to the... What are you trying to do? Why don't you just go work for them? No. Because we're more fun. There. That's why you should tune into The WAN Show every week. Because The Verge wouldn't talk about USB butt plugs. So Google is introducing an all new Chrome app experience where the idea is that real computer applications that are just meant to be run on your computer, not even inside a Chrome browser, would be coded in the same way as a Chrome app. So think about that for a second. This will do two things. Number one is the hope is that it will allow developers to develop using their ecosystem. So they'll be able to presumably, easily, and in such a way that it is pleasing for both them and their end users create these applications. And number two, and they'll run on anything that can run a Chrome browser. So it'll make the OS not matter, which would then make Chrome OS matter a lot more. A thing. And make it so that Google can control every application ever created. They really are just going to take over the world, aren't they? They're going to try. It's like... That whole thing from... This was bigger a few years back actually, but people were like, oh, what is the closest thing to God? Because God is all-knowing. They're like, Google, because you can search whatever you want. It's supposed to be a big joke thing, whatever. They're like, they're trying to control literally the whole planet. They're actually trying to be that. It's getting kind of nuts. And as they're doing it, they're closing more doors, which is scary to me, personally. Yeah. So, I mean, you know what, guys? Hit me. Twitter Blitz. So you can talk about Chrome OS and Chrome apps and give your thoughts about this, or you can just ask a general Q&A question. We are going to do a Twitter Blitz very soon here. So we're going to move on. Let's do two more topics and then let's move on to that. So, Galaxy Note 3 moves to a USB 3.0 micro connector. This was submitted on the forum by that one kid. And Slick's giving it the thumbs up. I'm giving it the big thumbs down. Why? Big thumbs down. Well, okay, you wanted something else. Oh, I wanted something else. But are you still happy that they're at least moving? No, because in my experience, so anyway, this original article was from VR Zone. I don't care. Okay, so here's the problem is that USB 3.0 micro is actually just more pins in that craptastic connector. That's all it is. But it seems to secure better in my experience. In my experience, I've broken the only one that I've had so far. Oh, really? And my other experience is talking to Angelbird about their external SSDs and how even with the highest end, highest end micro USB connector, they were getting like 250 plugs out of it. So now let's talk about your 1V battery life. Okay, wait, wait, wait. I've been wondering about that for a while because you keep on bringing up the Angelbird data. Yes. But we don't have, one, we don't have the Angelbird data. That's true. But what I do have is my broken connector. I have done way more than 250 plugs on the same cable with micro USB connector. Okay. So I would really like this Angelbird data to be in print before we keep on saying it every single time we ever talk about cables. Fine, fine. Okay, let's say double that because, okay, fine. How about this? Let's do this. Okay, my wife's phone, Galaxy One, whatever that was called, Galaxy Vibrant, broke within two years. Micro USB connector, unusable. Didn't particularly abuse it, plugged it in once a day. Whatever that is. That USB 3 hub. Okay. Okay, that one survived about 10 connections. So that's a USB 3 micro. But that thing was pretty shoddy when it showed up. I also have an external hard drive, one of those GoFlex connectors that go in the back. That one's dead. That one survived about 30 plugs. But that one you jammed into your bag. Did you not? No, not that one. It's a different dead one. So my experience so far with USB 3 micro is not any better than USB 2 micro. I don't have much experience with it, just it felt more solid. And I think we can both agree that USB 2 micro is a big steaming pile of food. Oh, it's terrible. So here's something I want to know. Why were they not working on a locking connector? And speaking of which, so USB 3 micro, okay, I'm done with that topic for now. Speaking of which, HDMI, why have they not been working on a locking connector? Un-freaking-believable. We've had locking connectors since, what, serial? Yeah. Like, I mean, how far back do we have to go until we find when people hadn't yet figured out that putting a screw or a lock or something in place was a good idea. So each... I'm excited for the other advances, but when I realized there was no changes in the style, I was pretty disappointed. And you know what? I don't see interoperability as an excuse because there's no reason why they couldn't have expanded the standard to have an optional lock. Oh, definitely. So they could have had lockable devices and non-lockable devices. You could have just gone the way... Duh. The display port does it. Yes. It's so simple. It's so simple, or they even could have had, like, a weird thing that goes off to the side for all I care. And then on the back of larger devices like TVs or cameras or things where it's likely to be a problem, on the back of a video card, there could be that optional thing, and then you'd still maintain backwards compatibility with the older cables. Unbelievable to me because HDMI is a terrible connector. Mini HDMI is an even worse connector, and micro HDMI is slightly not as bad as mini HDMI, but definitely worse than full-size HDMI, and I hate them all, and they can all just die in a fire. Linus Rajic Cable's tips. Yeah, I'm so mad. I'm just so mad about this. I don't care as much about the phone because you can still change them, or you can use one more cable, but I would have liked to see them change styles completely. That would have been a lot better. I mean, I think wireless charging is going to make this a non-issue very soon, particularly on the phone side. So I'm ready to get over that, but I mean, look at how long we were stuck with HDMI 1.X. So that means we're going to be stuck with this stupid non-locking connector. Everyone's going to use it because it's HDMI. Yeah, that's basically good enough for today because we already have 4K TVs. It's not like they're building in Headroom. DisplayPort, three years ago, had support for 17.28 gigabit per second data rates, had an auxiliary channel, had audio channel this, had all that stuff, and HDMI is like catching up. Where's my future display interface? Do you want to revise to 2.1 and sell me a new cable? Do you want to do this? Do you want to do that? A to 1B. Come on, guys. You had three years to be like, oh, someone has a different standard that might be better. It's HDMI. It's cheap as poop. No, DisplayPort is cheaper to implement than HDMI. What? DisplayPort is royalty free. HDMI costs money. What have they been doing with all the money? That's a good point. I forgot about that. So anyway, it's an 18 gigabit per second data rate, which, I mean, it's relevant, but it's not the be all and end all because the standards that go behind it are actually more important in some ways. You can buy the cables for HDMI cheaper than DisplayPort. Can you not? No, I don't think so. Really? Only because they're more common. They don't actually cost any more or less to make. No, but you can buy them. You can get DP's pretty cheap now. Head over to like Monoprice or whatever. They're cheap. Because they were not cheap when I was looking for them. No. Okay, so 18 gigabit per second. 60 FPS, 4K. So I'm looking at that and I'm like, what's your display standard? Where's my 120 FPS, 4K? Where's my 3D, 4K with like full non-compressed frames? Because... That's the next revision. There will be another revision. You know it. So there will be like some stupid frame packing thing or something stupid like that. Point 2B, whatever. Okay. So, I mean, get this. I mean, okay. So maybe you don't care about 3D. What if you care about screen sharing in multiplayer games? What if you want to play a two player game and you use polarized glasses to each see a different image and you don't want to play at 30 FPS? What about that? What if you want to actually have what we've been taking for granted on the PC for like, what, 10 years? 15 years? I don't even know how far back you have to go to find a display that doesn't run at least 60 Hz. So console gamers, I mean, aside from the fact that none of their next gen consoles are going to run at 4K anyway, they're going to be stuck in the dark ages, like now, and then they're going to be stuck in the dark ages even when they get a console refreshed because HDMI, which is what all these consoles are going to use for output, is not even going to support the frame rates that they would need to output to multiple... I mean, what if they had actually had the bandwidth available to work into an HDMI one point, or two point, whatever, so you could run multiple displays on a console? Like, all these things that they could have done. I know this is just going to sound like an uneducated rant, but why not? Why couldn't they have done this? HDMI is just so accepted. If you go randomly out on the street, and you go, hey, do you know what an HDMI cable is? I know. Everyone, everyone will say yes. I wasn't even expecting to be this mad about this on the WAN show today, but like, I'm just this mad. So it supports 32 channel sound, so the idea is that, I guess if you were watching content at 1080p or playing content at 1080p, 60 FPS 4K would be about equivalent to four separate streams at 60 FPS 1080p. So if you wanted to have like multiple people playing a racing game all on the same screen, if we can get like 240Hz screens and like crazy stuff going on, it supports 32 channels of sound, so everyone can have their own sound channels. I mean, that whole thing is both cool and scary to me because the idea of everyone sitting around the TV and that being considered family time is scary enough. The idea of everyone sitting around the TV watching a completely different program. And even listening to different audio. Yeah, like Little Johnny is like playing his Wii U and like Little Sally is browsing the Smart TV or like using a Chromecast to like play games on mylittlepony.com and Dad's watching, you know, Grindhouse and Mom's watching, I don't know, whatever, some show that women watch that is good. I don't know, like I'm generalizing here. None of these generalizations are necessarily the case. I mean, Dad could be on mylittlepony.com. We know this is a thing, so there you go. That is even scarier to me than any of this other stuff. So dual video streams for multiple users, so apparently not four video streams, but again, bandwidth wise, why couldn't they have done it? Yeah. And multi-stream audio, as many as four users at once. Support for 21 by 9 widescreen displays. I don't care about that on the desktop. I don't care about that. But I think I might care about that for a TV. Really? Yeah, because movies are actually shot that way, whereas games, they look all weird and fisheye when you do that. Yeah, but it's going to look so weird anyways, because it's like, you watched it at the movie theater. Yeah, and you sit way the freak back. Well, yeah, but if you're sitting far enough away and you have a nice big display, that could be- What, are you going to cut holes to your whole house and set them across to the other house? Well, I'm not going to buy one. No, you're not, which is why it doesn't matter and you don't actually care. Yeah, but I don't buy anything. What's the last thing I bought? I don't be given one of these. I don't get any sample TVs. You get screens. Screens, sometimes, not very often. We have a few screens, right? We do have a few. We do have a few monitors, but we haven't- Okay, anyway. I think that's pretty much all I have to say about that, as Forrest Gump would say. We're actually up to two hours right now, so we're going to do that Twitter blitz. I have some forum announcements that we have to do. He's going to do the forum thing and then we're going to call that a night. We've actually got a couple of topics we could- Oh, no. First, let's make sure we didn't miss any of our callout topics. So, IVE, Broadwell, Microsoft, Galaxy Gear. Okay, we're good. All the topics we promised to cover. You know what? Let's do a quick blitz of things. So, Blackberry's going to be sold by November. Okay, whoever didn't see this one coming. Sony's going to release a VR headset, but it apparently is not very comfortable and not that great. Okay. But read the article. It's on the Verge? I think the Verge. It'll be on the WAN.DOC, which will be in the Linus News and Rambling section of the forum later tonight. Soccer- Oh, actually, okay, I do want to talk about this. So, this is an article from cbc.ca, which is like Canada's news thing that we have. So, to ensure every child wins, the Ontario Athletic Association removed the ball from soccer. I'm actually just going to read the whole article because it's awesome. With the growing concern over the effects of competition in youth sports programs, this summer, many Canadian soccer associations eliminated the concept of keeping score. This is a thing. This is real, okay? The Soccer Association of Midlake, Ontario, however, has taken this idea one step further and have completely removed the ball from all youth soccer games and practices. According to Association spokesperson Helen Dabney-Coyle, by removing the ball, it's absolutely impossible to say this team won and this team lost or this child is better at soccer than that child. We want our children to grow up learning that sport is not about competition, rather it's about using your imagination. If you imagine you're good at soccer, then you are. This summer, Peter Oldring spent time with the Midlake Thundercats and Under 11 Boys and Girls team and put together this radio documentary. Okay, so it's a joke, but the scary thing is that it's really believable. Is that you weren't sure for a while. Yeah. Because... I was like, wait, this is CBC. The whole not keeping score thing is a real thing, which is ridiculous because by the time you're 10, you know how to count and it's not like the kids aren't keeping track. Even when I was a kid, like this existed. Oh, me too. To a certain extent and like, you know, after the game, my dad would be like, who won? I'd be like, we won. It was 7-5 and the coach would be like, oh, we don't keep score. I'm like, well, I was keeping score. I got a goal. We'd even have games. What would happen a lot too is if you started winning by too much or if you started losing by too much, whatever, they would stop keeping score. But then all the kids knew anyway. Yes. And all the parents knew anyway. Everyone knew. So it doesn't matter. Everyone knew what was up. It didn't actually help. So we found out that Microsoft didn't want Heavy Rain, which is winning a ton of awards and going to be a super exciting PS4 exclusive because of the child abduction plot line. I mean, to me, this is kind of an extreme case of keeping sort of inappropriate content off of a console because it's not like Microsoft is going to get judged for what a game developer releases by sort of, you know, people who aren't ridiculous. It's happened, though. It's happened. But like, we're not talking about those like straight pornographic games that existed for early consoles. Like the Japanese Trail Rape or whatever it's called. Whatever that was called. Like there was stuff that was like bad. And one of Nintendo's big things was family friendly Famicom. OK, so this is good for all ages. They tightly controlled who could release games on their platform. But to me, this is like I mean, child abduction is a real thing, whereas like walking around in the desert with like a ginormous erection like shooting at things is not. So I wonder how many people are going to get that reference. Yeah, I don't know. It's a pretty old reference. It's a thing, though. That is an actual reference. I'm not making this up. No, he's not. I completely agree with you, although I do also understand where they were coming from. I think they should have gone the angle that you went, which is where it's not that out there. And if you put a high enough rating on it, it's fine. Yeah, I don't. It should have been fine. And now they're just giving away sales to PlayStation 4. OK, so Twitter blitz time. Boom, boom. Here we go. 163 interactions. I love you guys. Thank you for tuning in. You guys are awesome. I feel like lots of tech companies have given up on innovation because they know people will buy it anyway. You know what? I don't want to get too far into this, but this is one of the things that I really dislike about some companies. Samsung comes to mind where it's like it doesn't seem to matter if the new features on their new product like do anything or work because people just buy it anyway. One thing I don't even care because there will always be that one group that's pushing really hard. Self-driving cars, there's certain companies that have switched to 30% self-driving vehicles already. Wow. There's some like mining company. 30% of their trucks are all self-driving. And like there's there's Oculus Rift and like there is a lot of innovation. Technology right now is exploding. But certain companies are not doing anything. It's yeah. Just just pay attention to who's doing stuff. That matters. Will last generation GPUs struggle with DirectX 12 based games? Really depends. We've seen this go either way in the past. If I imagine I'm a millionaire, it doesn't mean I'm a millionaire. You're right. Oculus Rift is going to blow away everything. We won't even need monitors anymore. Disagree. Disagree. What is cheap but a good motherboard for the new Intel Haswell CPUs? I think Tiny Tom Logan covered it perfectly. MSI's gaming board is a great choice. Comes with on board killer networking, comes with a decent sound card. If I was really going to go balls to the walls, I'd probably grab a Maximus 6 formula or even something lower end like from their channel series, but then throw a great sound card on it. Are you ever thinking of coming to the UK? No, not really. Not specifically the UK, but if everything kind of falls in line, Brandon and I might be going to Gamescom next year. Well, we'll see. I want to. No promises. I want to. See, now you're making me like commit in public. Come on, you got it. You can do it. Okay, I'll tell you what. Fine, you'll go. Yes! Alright. James, I hope you can watch the show too. This is That Is A Fake Program. None of it is true. I think he's probably talking about the soccer thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, I know. Just recently I started moving my contacts onto my Google Cloud so the benefits of Google Sync make it easier for me. I don't remember what question I asked anymore, but cool. What's your favorite GTX 780 aftermarket model? Well, ASUS has been the only one for a long time with a truly custom PCB model, so I would go with them. However, MSI has the Lightning now, which I haven't checked out yet, but we have one coming. I don't know if I told you that yet. Galaxy has a really cool looking one. Actually, I should probably ping them to find out if we can get our hands on it. Is it another white one? No, I don't think it's white, but it's pretty balls to the walls. Okay, cool. Thank you. Also, my crush lives near you. Okay. Ghost says, have you considered that wireless charging and Wi-Fi data transfer will slowly become the new norm? No more broken connectors? Definitely have considered. Definitely, definitely love it as long as I don't get too much cancer. Minus look, it's a meme. Okay, I'm afraid to click that. Sorry, man. How do I install a program during the Windows installation so I can install a Windows 8 start menu from a clean install? That's a really long answer. It is possible though because you can inject things into ISOs. But it's more work than it's worth. It's a lot of work. Just install one after you're done. First time watching live. Hello, is there an after party today? No, I have to go home and make dinner for my wife. One quick second, I want to jump back to that thing. Even if you're doing big office deployments, if you get Nine Night Pro, you can distribute Classic Start across your whole network. Yeah, Nine Night. They don't sponsor the WAN show, but they should because we love them and we'll talk about them every week if they don't sponsor us. Nine Night is like my favorite thing ever. Noctua. What do we love as much as Nine Night and Noctua? Nine Night and Noctua. Okay. What happened to Build Logs? Coming soon on this today's show. Sorry about the previous weeks. I won't switch to Chrome OS as my primary. Android maybe, but Windows has legacy compatibility. And what do you mean by closing doors? Good question. They're just becoming more aware of what their policies and the way that they develop new technologies. They're becoming a bit more walled garden, I guess, if you sort of look that term up. Which like, not even necessarily that walled garden compared to some companies, but extremely walled garden compared to the old Google. What do you think of two 5x4 screens for gaming? I think that's terrible. Yeah. There are huge issues with signal integrity transmitting ultra high frequency data over meters and that's true. However, fine then. Intel came up with an idea. Well, let's just make active cables part of the standard. Okay? Done. Do that then. There's activation of the cables. Build a next generation technology. You know what? Even make HDMI 2.0 active or not active. Red Mir. I mean, we even have active cables for HDMI. We have a 50 foot HDMI 1.4 cable or whatever. Look up Red Mir Cables. Yeah, Red Mir Cables are awesome. Pretty good and awesome. Anyway, the point is there has to be a way to figure that out. So, there. Will DisplayPort ever be updated? No idea. Do you think games will be able to make their way in the Chrome browser? Of course they will. There already have been. I would say Flash games but I don't even know what all those games run on anymore now that Flash isn't a thing. How about that Sonic incident at PAX? Is that you? Yeah, we're not going to talk about that. Need a personal rig update? Yes. Apparently I need to talk more when there are guests and probably you do too. You know what? It depends because I don't mind if the guest is really knowledgeable and is talking about something that we don't really have that much to contribute to in addition to what they're saying. And there's always going to be finding that balance. We're pretty new to the whole hosting guests on the show thing. And three people is an interesting balance and this week at least I was actually trying not to because my throat hurts quite a bit. Yeah, if you notice he hasn't said much and it seems like I'm just kind of talking about everything that's out of respect not the other way around. I don't want him to talk because I don't want to get sick so he can just keep his like germ factory inside his mouth. Will you do an unboxing of the 780 lightning? Yes. What is your opinion of the current state of the internet in the UK? We don't know a lot of it. We don't follow it that closely. I know there was a whole thing with censorship a while ago. Don't know if that's going through or not going through. So sorry, I'm going to I'm going to stay hands off on that one. What is my honest opinion of Razer? Are they overpriced or do you pay for quality? Personally, I love Razer hashtag Linus butt plug. It's funny you should ask that because I don't necessarily have an opinion like an all encompassing opinion of pretty much any company. I form my opinions based on the product at hand. In fact, I ranted about this last week. Don't be a fanboy. Don't be an Intel fanboy. Don't be a Microsoft fanboy. Don't be a Google fanboy. And don't be a Razer fanboy. Don't be any kind of fanboy. Evaluate the product for your needs. When previously when we're like night at knock to it's because every product that no one has come up with so far is ugly as hell and works really, really well. Yeah. And I mean, and nine eight is just amazing and we use it all the time and it's perfect. The only thing that's wrong with that right now actually is it has some problems with server revocation. So you have to turn that off and you have to turn it back on. It's fine. OK. So anyway, don't be a fanboy. Does Razer have products that I think are absolutely fantastic? Yes. The Orbweaver is an unbelievably cool product. If you wanted like a gamepad, like the older Nostromo from Belkin or whatever else, buy an Orbweaver. It's not that much more expensive than anything else. Full mechanical Cherry MX Blue switches. Awesome product. Vibrant LED backlighting. Anything you could want. The one thing I could complain about, I guess, is it doesn't have a braided cord and I have cats so they are they kill cords. Something like the Atrox. Outstanding product. Great build quality. Great attention to detail. Targets a market of people who want that product and delivers. Great product. Blade 14. Unbelievable product. It's amazing that two generations into building notebooks, they turned that around. Look how long. The first one was. We weren't huge fans of the first one, but I mean, look how long Acer's had to come out with Blade 14 and Razer's like, no, we're just going to build this. Do I think it's perfect? No. In fact, in my unboxing, I talked a lot about how I really don't like the screen they used. There. So what's my honest opinion is I'll evaluate every product as it comes down the pipe and that's what you should do too. All right. I think we're going to call that good enough. Oh, no, there's one more tweet. Oh yeah. Strokedad Ego. Thank you. And now let's move into your thing here. OK, so let me get the dock open. I have some. You can just use this. Here. I've got it. Yeah, but you can screen share with them. Just use this. Just open the. Oh, you want me to open this dock? Yeah. It's the Build Logs of the Week. All right. Build Logs of the Week. So you're going to download it. Yeah. I'm downloading my PowerPoint on this computer. Oh dear. Uh oh. This is this is a pretty new pretty pretty new PC. Like that might actually be a problem. Yes, I have it. Woo. That would have been awesome. All right. So back to the desktop. Build of the Week, September 6th. OK. What? Try try try try. No, no, no, no, no. I know what's wrong. I know it's wrong because it's it's defaulting to the wrong edition of Office. I just have to open with Office the other one. So yeah. I see. Oh, oh, no, no. OK. Oh, no. Why don't you just? Oh, oh, oh. OK. So one thing that I want to propose and this is the first time you're hearing this as well actually. OK. Actually, no, I'm going to take that back until I build the system so that we can actually do it. And then once I build the system. So you're not going to talk about it. Nope. You have got to be kidding me. Everyone's wondering what it is now. Anyways, there's a thread on the forum that we can't blast right now, but we'll be blasting soon. I'll blast through Twitter. But this is I've been meaning to call this out for a long time, but we've been having a lot of problems with the show for a long time and I haven't been able to blast it out for a long time. So there's a section in, I believe, build logs. No, build planning. That's what I'm actually pretty sure it's in. Where this, let's see who's his name. Here we go. Korn on a Jacob. Awesome. Korn on a Jacob in new builds and planning basically proposes a challenge and what you're supposed to do is theory craft a build for a specific purpose at a specific price point and then he chooses winners. As far as I know, there's no real bonus for winning, but it's fun. It's kind of interesting. You don't have to actually build the rig. You just kind of theory craft the rig. I think the kind of rules are that use PC part picker because it's just a lot easier for everyone to see what you're actually picking, which makes sense. But if you want to compete, if you think you have better ideas than other people, check out this thread. It's called the LTT build off thread. No building required by Korn on Jacob in the new builds and planning section. And it's just kind of cool. I've been meaning to, it's pinned, so it'll be right at the top. I've been meaning to call it out for a while, and I told them I would call it out quite a while ago. So hopefully you've got that. But yeah. Okay, well apparently having two different editions of Office open is kind of a problem. So we're going to have low color depth build logs of the week this week, unfortunately. So let's go ahead and start with Half X Mod by Indie Yet. So first thing you'll notice is some super cool mounted SSDs. Which is just awesome. I love how we did that. Right there. Right angle connectors right through the side. Really nice cables. Blah, blah, blah, blah, but then you scroll down. It looks so terrible. Oh, I'll open it on here. I'll open it on here and then we'll just, yeah, we'll just make it. Yeah, because the picture looks a lot better than that. Yeah, that looks so terrible. All right, here we go. So we're just going to go, we'll just full screen on here and no, I would not like to do that. You have PowerPoint on this computer. Yes, I do. Yes, I do. All right, here we go. There's some serious glare. Okay, move. Add, add screen region. Ah, ah, there we go. Yes. All right, boom. So some pretty hard point glare but he's got a window in there. There you go. So window. If you didn't notice already that you can see through the side there is a window on there. Yeah, down angled fittings look really sharp. It looks like it's not filled yet but I'm guessing you have other slides that show that off a little bit better. Love nickel plated blocks. Those are gorgeous blocks. What are those? I did not actually specifically grab that. I probably should have. That hard pipe right there. That is too memorized by his SSD mounting. All right, so there's another shot of it. Now it's, at least the res is full. That's kind of interesting because these tubes are sort of, oh I guess it's a Red Plexi Res. Yeah. Interesting. All right. So I'm guessing those are EK blocks based on that that's an EK CPU block and unless you're kind of an EK fan boy I can't think of another reason to use an EK CPU block. Wow. All right. Shots fired. Connect Super by MG2R. This one is freaking fantastic. This is where he started. So there's one shot before this where he only has two hard drives in but basically this is where the whole thing begins is he's like, okay, I'm going to build a hard drive cage and then he has to build off that because this has to be a full computer. This is where it ends. So he just keeps adding little areas and mounting things in here and if you notice he's got a big freaking CPU cooler and he had to add a graphics card so he's got an extension cable and he just built a little hang off the side thing. There's a better shot for it if you go forward. I got one more picture for this one. I should have done three pictures for the last one as well. That's donkulous. He decided he had to put a video card in so he just built a little thing. There's a little PCI Express extension and there's a thing here and it sits there. Unbelievable. That's awesome. It's so cool. Love it. It's just awesome. Absolutely love it. That's hilarious. Alright. What else you got here? So check out the theory crafting thing. Check out those build logs of the week. Those will be in the featured build logs of the week section that is pinned in build logs that are very taught by Winspeed. Those will be there at some point. Also, I'm going to be putting up a thread fairly soon asking you guys whether or not you think we should have a gaming specific channel or whether or not we should keep the style of gaming content you saw at PAX and our future ideas for gaming content on the Linus Tech Tips channel. So if we should have one giant channel that does absolutely everything or if we should have another because we have a few already. Bearing in mind, my devil's advocate thing here is another channel to maintain is another channel to maintain. It's another set of assets whether it's pre-rolls or intros or outros or whatever else. It's another thing for people to be subscribed to and to follow along with. It's another, you know, yeah, I see a lot of challenges with having another channel but if you guys feel very strongly about not having gaming content on the Linus Tech Tips channel then it's something we could potentially look into because I mean the reason for Tech Quickie versus Linus Tech Tips the reason that exists is because I wanted to keep like paid commercials. Paid content off of the Linus Tech Tips. Yeah. Whereas none of this would be paid content anyway. So guys, we'll ultimately what I told him because I think he believes that a new channel would be better what I told him is let's let y'all decide. Yep, so I'm going to be putting up a post on the forum and we will have it go to vote because this is ultimately your guys' decision. Speaking of the forum the Linus Tech Tips forum is now in the 96th overall position for folding at home. Top 100 even though it's only been running for less than a year. And that being said there's teams that are ancient and to show that off we're in ninth position for active folders. Yeah. Ninth. That's crazy. That's nuts. So we have almost a thousand team members 250-ish of which are actually active. And the Boink team is 372nd worldwide which is actually quite good as well and has 95 members with 54 active. And badges will be distributed to Boink and folding members once you hit certain milestones if you're more interested there's posts about that and if you're wondering why you're not getting a badge feel free to PM whaler-uniscore99 on the forum. So thank you guys very much for tuning in to this week's WAN show. I think that's about it. Tune in next week at approximately this time. I'm going to go drink some tea. Approximately two hours and 20 minutes ago this was a long show. It was. You know what I'd love to hear hit me up on Twitter after the show here this is just sort of a random aside. Let me know what you think the optimal length for the WAN show is. I'd love to hear what you guys think. No, I wanted to call it whatever you came up with but yeah. Oh and if you think it would make sense for us to start doing a much shorter like I'm thinking like 15-20 minutes like two to three topics tops but and it would have a different name which I don't want to reveal yet until we've launched it that's why I didn't say but let me know what you guys think you know do you like the one once per week long thing or would you like it to be split up or would you like a hybrid model of both of them let me know what you think hit me up on Twitter I can't promise to reply to all the tweets but I will read them all so good night everybody good night guys reminder guys that's squarespace.com offer code Linus9 and it's 20% off new accounts just a reminder you can go now why are you still here blood plucks the show is over and we're back a new episode of the no no we're done