 Hey and welcome to the Virchcast from CES 2012 day 2. 2? It feels like day 50. I'm Josh Sapolsky. I'm Paul Miller. And we're back to talk about what's been happening in technology and what's been happening at CES. A technology show. I want to start by saying we are overlooking the Sony booth here on the CES floor in the North Hall of the Las Vegas Convention Center and we've been in Central Hall. Oh, we're in Central. I'm sorry. We're in Central Plaza. Central Hall. Just in case you were going to come visit. Shut up. Oh, come on. But I just want to tell the viewer that this could be potentially a slightly, slightly, just slightly shorter Virchcast because Kelly Pickler, who I'm told was on American Idol at one point, is going to rehearse with her band behind us. We might get blown out the stage by Rockman. But I think we could probably get a chance to jam out. We might get a chance to really enjoy Kelly Pickler. Right. Yeah. Here's what I want to know. Will these mics pick up Kelly Pickler? Can they handle the amazing power of her voice? So we may try to battle Pickler. We may duet with Pickler. By the way, is Pickler cool? Is that okay to call her that? I don't know. We should just get into it because we have a lot of topics. We have a lot of topics. We have zero topics today. We have topics. It was just, this is like, you know, the show's cresting now. The show is on. Well, it's different kind of news. It's a different kind of vibe. Now it's all about feelings and impressions. You started this and now you got to finish it. You got to ride it out. You beat the guy within an inch of his life and guess what? Pickler's drummer is now tuning his drums. A little flat. So sounds a little empty to me. A little hollow. Can you get more of a ring? We have a special guest. We have a guest. We do have a special guest. It's Kelly Pickler. It's Joanna Sternum. Sternum. Sternum. Sternum. Sternum. Sternum. I consider her to be the backbone of this operation. That's why I did it at first. Oh my God. She brought us a baby. She brought something very special. What is going on? Holy crap. You brought us a robotic stroller with a MacBook Air in it. Wait, do that again. Do that again. What just happened? You had a MacBook Air? Yeah, of course. Wow. Oh my God. What is going on? Can I ride it again? Do it again. This is a stroller from 4Moms. I actually ran into them on the floor today and they were like, we love The Verge. And they had this stroller and I was like, I need this. There's a QR code. Does that mean if you lose your baby on the stroller that they can find you? No, I think you would have a baby so bad because you touched Justin Bieber today. That's true. Well, actually, I'm having a baby with him already. How much is this? I had no idea she was bringing this. This is not a promotional placement. And I had a baby. It's the MacBook Air because it's still the best Ultrabook. And that's obviously what I would have had. Oh, you're such a fangirl. I'm not allowed to do it. My God, I killed the baby. Goodbye, baby. Do they promise to protect the child through that whole transition process? What happens if the baby's in there? No, it won't go down. It won't go down. There's actually a little thing where it has a picture of a baby. If there's enough weight in there, it won't go down. If you're a really skinny baby, you're screwed. You hack it so it will go down no matter what. I'm bringing it over. Why doesn't it have headlocks? We only have 10 minutes before Pickles starts singing. What kind of insane yuppie do you have to be? This tells you how fast it's going. There's batteries inside. Yeah, we could have a baby together. Joanne and I gave birth to this empty... Everything about what's happening right now is insane. There's batteries in this and it charges when the wheels are turning. Is this the fun food for the baby? No. No. You're just mad you're not pregnant. Well, in a number of ways. Like Junior. My clock is ticking. No way it's going to work at an angle. Oh my gosh, I was proved completely wrong. Holy crap. This is the ultimate prime of... How much is this? Literally. I kind of want to have a baby just to get this. Could Penny sit in there? I have no idea. I don't know much about this thing. I was running to him on the floor and I was like, I need to bring this on the floor. That works. Wow. Sorry. You both had an experience today that was very special. You met Justin Bieber. Can you tell us about that? Tell us all about the Beeb. Oh my god, I forgot my autograph. This isn't Justin Bieber. I wish this was... Never say never. This is going to be an awesome podcast. What was it like when you jammed out with Beeb? I saw Justin Bieber. I also saw a dancing robot. I have no idea what happened. I was so star struck. Can we explain to the viewer what's going on? There's been talk all week from this weird... It's apparently a Vietnamese company. Tosi. They're making a robot. A dancing robot that plays music. They've been talking about how Justin Bieber is going to appear here at CES. Is it Mrobo or Mrobo? It doesn't matter. I can't wait to see Justin Bieber because Joanna has a sexual crush on Justin Bieber. It's not so much sexual. It's highly sexual. It grosses everyone out. She one time accidentally tweeted from the Engadget. When we were at Engadget, she tweeted from the Engadget account. By accident. She tweeted for herself. Is it wrong to think Justin Bieber is sexy? It would have been fine if the Engadget account was tweeting, is it wrong to think Justin Bieber is sexy? It was one of our most embarrassing and shameful moments. That's why we all had to leave. That's why we all had to go. I was screamed at. Understandably. It might have been the first time I screamed at you. Can you come out of this fugue state and just kind of... What happened? What time was it? I pushed my way to the front. I was there for hours with Jordan. We went to go film it. Jordan's one of our video guys. Yeah, he's amazing. I pushed my way to the front. The PR lady recognized me. She said, oh, the verge. She loved the verge. What? She did. This is true. Bieber's PR beaver? No, the Toasties. You're the creepy gadget reporter who's trying to blow Bieber. You're the one who tweeted for the Engadget account. Yeah, and so she was like, you can come. I had no idea this was going to happen. So like within seconds I was then shaking his hand or I don't even know. Did I touch his hand? I don't know what happened. You told me that you said to him that you loved him. No, she says, do you love me? Yeah. I said, you love me, right? Oh, yeah. And he's like, yes, of course. Yes, I love you. I think he said, of course. I heard love come out of his mouth. Is that when you blacked out? You know what's interesting? I blacked out before I even asked him about the robot. I asked him what phone he had, even though the iPhone was sitting there. Did he say an iPhone? Yeah, he said iPhone. What's your favorite app? He was like, I don't know. He said he doesn't know. Yeah. And then he said, do you love me? And he was like, yeah. You know what's weird about it is that you were weirdly jerky to him. Like, do you love me? Not like Justin Bieber, I love you. You're like, tell me how much you're a fan of my love. He knows that I love him. I'm there. You're like A-mogging him. I was like, do you love me back? So we got something for you to commemorate this event. Oh, really? It's him? Justin, come out here. We got you this photo of you and Justin Bieber together. It's a little pixelated because we took it off of the web. You printed this at a booth over there, didn't you? You can hang this. There's like a quick print station. There's some stuff here. You can hang it from above your bed or wherever you want to. Thank you, guys. You know, honestly, this is Nina's doing. Oh, thank you, Nina. I don't want to take credit for it, though. I did tell her to go get it. Really? No, I didn't. That's for you. I can put it in my stroller. Yes. That's a really weird thing to have in your fan. Could you fold that in half? Let's get the stroller. Can we put it in the strap? Can you put Bieber in the stroller? Yeah. This is such a weird confluence. I mean, it's an awesome stroller, but like... I think your baby, baby, baby, baby is right here. I gotta go. I'm done, everyone. We have reached the Bieber threshold that I cannot fathom. Don't ruin that. It cost $6. There we go. You guys got this? Yeah, what's going on? Are we not filming this? All right. Okay, good. He can just sit here for the rest of the time. I don't know. Did Gadget knew to stop you today? I have no idea. All right, let's talk about Gadget. I'm just going to rock him to sleep. And the robot was really bad, by the way. The robot was... There was a robot. It was a robot. Nobody cares. There was a robot and Bieber did a very suggestive move with the microphone on the robot. Are you rock him to sleep? Yeah, I'm rocking him to sleep. Okay, just making sure. I'm a natural-born father for Bieber. Bieber daddy. Bieber daddy. So tell me what happened in tech news. What's that about? Like we're saying, the news breaks are over. Now it's everybody just talking about in the news. I think Josh and I, we did a panel. A bunch of interesting people today. We had fun today. We had a good time. We had Ryan Biden from Samsung Mobile, Aaron Woodman from Microsoft, Drew Bamford from HTC. Hey, by the way, how much is this music getting picked up? Not at all? Not at all like Wishful thinking. But if they like break out into like a really sweet guitar solo, we can turn that up, right? Yeah, can we? All right. All right. Anyhow, but we had Ryan Biden, Drew Bamford from HTC, and Aaron Woodman from Microsoft, and we did a super session called Argue to the Future where we talked about what was going on in technology now, what was coming. We talked a lot about mobile. We talked a lot about it. It's three phone guys. It's three phone guys, but it was a really good conversation. I gave Ryan Biden from Samsung a ton of crap about the commercial they did where they're making fun of Apple users. You know what he told me? I asked him about the Feel Free, It's Galaxy Note. And he was like, that might be an international. Oh, that crunched Bieber a little bit. Bieber crunch. Yeah, let him be. Do you know what a cereal is? Because Bieber crunch is like a... All right. Anyhow, go ahead. You were giving himself a... I actually spoke to his manager for quite a while. Let's Free, It's Galaxy Note, the slogan. Might be changing as it comes to the U.S. Ryan Biden was like, that's kind of an international slogan. Does he get the B slogan? Yeah, he kind of knows that it doesn't really work in the States. I'm sorry. I'm so distracted by the fact that there's a band trying to stay behind us. And they seem to be playing Dire Straits. Yes. No. Yes. Money for nothing. I mean, I think there's a pretty good chance. Chad, can you hear this? There's a pretty good chance we're not going to continue the podcast like this. Yeah. And we may have to change locations. We had some great moments with the stroller. The CES has been not great for us for the Virgcast. It's been... We're trying a lot of different things. Trying new things. Trying new things is not working out well. Well, some of them are working out well. We should just go to our hotel rooms and Skype. We should... Yeah. What do you think about that? I mean, they were just playing Money for Nothing. I would accept that. No tinklings of Money for Nothing. Are you on Ustream right now? What's going on over there? Let me look. What's happening on Ustream? Let's talk to our guys. Chad's off raising hell. No, I know you aren't. Chad's getting into a fist fight with Pickler's manager. Look. I don't even know who this Pickler is. Kelly Pickler. She's apparently a D-list American Idol. D-list? I don't know. Hey, Paul. They said hi to me. What's up? What camera? I need to log in. I keep talking. No, obviously. The problem is that we can barely hear each other. Guys, talk about the Super Session. So anyhow, we had this great Super Session. You were giving Ryan Biden crap about... Feel free in the Galaxy. Feel free that the tampon Galaxy Note had... But I think they'll change when they come to the States. See, they know. But you know what I think was interesting? It's going to be like, feel free to rock. Wait, with HTC and Samsung? HTC, Samsung, and Microsoft. They're the only things that happened. They're pleasant. But you know, Drew, we pushed him on skins a lot. And Drew, first he said, since it's not a skin, it's an experience. Then he relented when I explained to him that it was a skin. But then he was very insistent that HTC believes they're doing something better. I said, you'll skin it because you believe that you can make being Android a better experience. And he's like, yeah, absolutely. But what about when Android becomes a great experience? That's what I'm saying with ice cream sandwich. They don't need you anymore. They do need your T9 dialer and then you can hit the road. That's it. I don't know why people aren't doing... They won't do T9 dialers anymore on standard phones. Apple doesn't do it. What do you mean standard phones? You start on phones now, like on stock phones. Like, ice cream smartphones. Why do you need T9? Well, it's super good when you go to the phone. You start typing in a number you know or... Oh, like when you have the numbers? Yeah, like predictive dialing. Nobody does it, really. Ice would be amazing at T9 texting. Yeah, those are the days. There it is. There's the solo, dude. How much is this being picked up, Trent? Not that much. It's just really distracting. I think it's more distracting for us than them. That's what they're saying on Ustream. I don't know if it goes out of sync on Ustream. I don't know if there's anything you can do about that. It's because we're rocking too hard, guys. It's possible Pickler's band uses a lot of bandwidth. They're probably streaming this with their guitars. With their sick jams. Somebody says their HTC Thunderbolt has T9 dialing. No, no, no. He's saying HTC has it. HTC puts it in Sense, which is great. But no one else does. And maybe TouchWiz has it, too. But I'm saying, like, on stock OSes... I mean, WebOS didn't have it. Windows Phone doesn't have it stocked. And iOS doesn't have it stocked. And Windows Phone doesn't have it stocked. And I don't know why. It's like the dumbest, best thing in the world. I can't say I've ever wanted that. My feature phone has it stocked. Don't you have to dial people in a hurry? I mean, no. I put everybody on my favorites list. What about your car service? What kind of 1% do you think I am? What car service do you have? Dial 7? No, I use Metroline. I'm talking about a $8 ride somewhere. I'm not talking about a limo everywhere. I know how you do it. I know how you roll. I know you think I'm some sort of high-class 1%-er. I am actually in the 0.5%. I'm more of an 8%. The richest of the rich. I like to think of myself as an 8%-er. Just above the Hoi Ploi and the 10. Just above the poverty line. But someone else has it. My car service is like... You don't know the price of it, though. You've got to be at least $1,000. That stroller is $300. I don't know how much a stroller is. No, no, no. A nice one of these is like $500 to $1,000. That thing is $1,000. This is at least $1,000, if not $2,000. See, I really don't have a baby. Let me find out, Michael. What's the name of it? Four Moms. Number four? Is this company started by four mothers? I bet it is. Except all the people I've been dealing with are guys. Four moms. All the people I've been dealing with are guys. Or four moms. Four moms and then the multiplication symbol? Moms. I think four moms. This is more for dads. It's more for babies, really. Did nothing else happen at the Super Session? No, we had a really good conversation. I dropped the S word. Okay. It was a totally packed house. Twice, actually. It was a packed house. There were even people in the overflow room. It was a very deep conversation. We talked for an hour. It was like a podcast with a bunch of different people. It was really good. People should check it out. It's going to be up on the CA. It will be up on the CA tomorrow. We'll put it up on the Verge tomorrow. I can learn what happened. I didn't get invited to the Super Session. I could only have so many people. Paul's not super. Paul's not as cool as Drew. We can have a great session. Can I tell you? 850. We interviewed a lot of people today. We had Aaron women at our trailer. Joe Belfiore. We just basically had everybody associated with him. We had Eli, Belfiore, and Woodman. Who else? I interviewed Eric Chang from Nitro. We interviewed Eric Chang from Nitro. We interviewed Eric Chang from Nitro. We interviewed Eric Chang from Nitro. We interviewed Eric Chang from Nitro. We interviewed Eric Chang from Nitro. We're going to do a post. I was going to put something up of some of our best video. We have so much video content. That Nitro interview is really... This has been a really fun thing at CES. To have people come over and interview. That we've never really been able to do before. You guys want to talk about Nitro? We should talk about Nitro. Two things happen. I don't know if you've heard of Nitro. Nitro is a camera that can take pictures. Then you can refocus them. It's a light field camera. You can view the photos in 3D. You can do parallax stuff. You can choose your focal point on the photo after the fact. All of that stays in there. He described it in a really interesting way. It's kind of like a 3D engine in reverse. Where instead of a 3D rendering engine. Tracing light bouncing off of objects back to a virtual camera. It has all the light coming into the sensor. Then it traces it the other direction. It extrapolates what the scene is. I blew my mind. I've been trying to figure this camera out for a while. That's the hardware, right? Then they have this secret software. When you move it over. Almost like a rendering engine. It does all that compositing. It takes all that crazy data that they're getting. Then it converts that into what looks like a regular. You can do it on the camera. But when you put it on your laptop, you can do it there too. The laptop stuff is different. You don't get the full file when you do the embeds on Facebook. You can refocus on the file on the computer. The full file is like a 16 megs. That's on your computer. That has infinite focus. The embed that you do on Facebook. It's like 3 or something. It's a limited number. They said that you could do a video camera. There's no technical reason why you couldn't do a video camera. He said it's like a shutter system. Where it takes a still photo at one time. The thing is, it's a processing thing. It's the big thing. Right now the camera, if it was shooting in a fast sequence. It would shoot at like VGA. But what's really exciting to me. That's now. In a couple of years. One of the things they said. We had a RED camera in the trailer. That's been floating around. That would be one of the sensors. That could actually work with their technology. The RED sensor. They have a standard CMOS sensor. RED has one of the best. A 4K CMOS sensor. They put a filter in front of it. It's a really fancy person. To send all those angled things. But then it's received by a regular CMOS. It's truly innovative camera technology. What they really need. What they really have to have to actually do video. Is insane GPUs. To render this stuff in real time. What is the resolution you can do with still photos now? On Nitro? It's not that high. They don't measure it in resolution. It's like mega rays or something. Chad, I don't like it when you smile at me that way. I have a great story. What is happening? This is Chad. They're about to start the broadcast. Get the mic up to his face. We went over there. We went over there. We said, absolutely, we're starting right now. All of a sudden, this girl comes running up from the back. Hey, what's the problem here? It's Kelly Pickler. She saves the broadcast. She's like, I can only hold it for 20 more minutes. You guys have 20 minutes. Pickler saved us. I'm going to buy her album. What's our hard stuff? 945. Sony Music Unlimited. You're right. Sony. Let's run it right now. We should run. Is this a new one? We're going to take a quick break. We have this cool interstitial that we did. It's kind of a behind the scenes look. We're going to take a break and we'll be right back. We have 20 precious minutes here at the Sony booth. I feel like a squatter. We basically are squatters. Anyhow, we'll be right back. They're going to turn the water off. If we have it under embargo, do we need... We really need to try to get a hands-on or some live pictures of whatever they're announcing. What are they announcing? We're bringing an absolute ton of people to see us. It's our entire team from around the world. We've got people coming in from the Netherlands, the UK, the West Coast, New York, Japan. We should request interviews with people that we think would be significant or interesting to get our hands on because we'll have a set-up at the trailer. Please say your command. We have the best technology powering our site. Things like story stream and the video technology that we're using and our product database. We're really good at taking a lot of information, making it presentable, making it readable and still showing you what's important. What really is going to make the coverage great is that we have a big staff of really smart, really talented, very sharp writers that are putting these stories together, that are building narratives out of these stories and that can tell the stories better than anyone else in the industry. We're back. Kelly Pickler has a new record coming out. She's got a new album coming out on January 24th and I'm pre-ordering it right now. Let's get to me. Only $10 on iTunes. Let's talk about more technology. Lytro. When is it coming out? It's already out. You can pre-order it right now. It's coming out February, March. We'll do a review then. What's the maximum resolution? They don't say mega-range. How many mega-range? It's kind of low. It's a little low. It's a little low. It's a little low. It's a little high. It's like two or three megapixels. It's meant to be viewed on the Internet. On the Internet that's like a full screen. It looks great. You can do like a full screen on a 14-inch video. Do you have printing out a picture that you can refocus? I think they're letting that one go. You might want to find a picture. You find the focus you like and then print out. Exactly. Isn't the point of the screen the past. Isn't the point of this also like you take a lot of pictures out of focus, you can refocus it. You know what they need to do, they need to create an accessory that's the Lytro frame. Yeah. Where you tap, where you just look at your stuff. We have them on, we have them on. It's a freebie Lytro. On the verge. Yeah. And before that they were telling me that they're building an entire ecosystem. Yeah. They know that they can. And this is a patented technology. Yeah. Yeah. I mean Roger, he invented it. When's the last time you saw such a wildly different technology? I can't think of. It's brand, it's a brand new kind of camera. You know what's really interesting? Like this, this is theoretical in like the 90s. Yeah. Yeah. So like there was papers published, that guy kept on working on it, kept on being into it, finally started a company. The camera's been built over like a few years as an actual company and now it's about to come on the market. Is it an American company? Yeah. Made in the USA. Probably not made in the USA. Stanford. He's from Stanford. Yeah. American company, American innovation. Chinese money. And I think Chinese money, Chinese parts. I think there's no better place. I'm going to channel my inner Gary Shapiro right now. There's no better place to revitalize the US economy right here at CES in Las Vegas. It's starting right now. If you have an idea. It's starting right now. If you have an idea right now and publish a paper on it in 15 years, 25 years, you can make a product out of that. No, but it's pretty cool. I have to admit, it's really cool that, that, that this is a brand new type of camera. No one else is doing it. And it's a real thing. Like you hear all the time about, you know, we were talking about 4k displays, how they're like concept cars right now. And you see a lot of stuff at CES that's like a concept car. This is what we just saw a concept car become the car. And now we're going to be able to drive it. And that's exciting. And I have to say, you know, people, and I know this isn't a CES thing. When did they announce it actually? When was the first? A while ago. We sent Sean at least a year ago. It's been a while. But I think, you know, people, I was just talking about this last night. There's a lot of people like going negative on CES, but this is cool. I'm glad people come here to talk about stuff like this. I don't know. I feel like I'm the only guy cheerleading CES. Well, no, I mean, I think since we're not like talking about hard news that I was thinking about this day, like, are you going to go home from the show and be like, this was the best product. We don't have a, this is the best product. But that's a good question actually. What's the coolest thing you've ever heard? Just like last year, I feel like it was the Atrix. We were like, this is the best product. No, no, no. Last year, last year before we knew what the Atrix would be like, we knew at the, we were like, that's a cool idea. That could be really awesome. Everyone was going to that booth to see that product. This year, there's no, everyone's going to that booth to see that product. Can I be honest with you? We talked to Sanjay Jha and Chris and I, the group of other reporters, and he was talking about, you know, they, we actually wrote a post on you guys should read it if you haven't. We talked about this yesterday. No, no, I know. I know. No, no, no. But the, but the Chrome, he mentioned that like, that there was going to be a web top with Chrome. And you know, I think the idea would be that it's like basically a Chromebook, right? I thought for a second that he was going to say, you know, we're announcing later today or something. Because I think that would have been like, whoa, this is a big deal. You know, if you've got an Android phone with a Chromebook when you dock it, that would be a big deal, I think. But he didn't do that. So I was very disappointed. You know, there's a quote along those lines. Eric Schmidt today, you wrote this up. Schmidt happens. That dude is so good at just busting the gal. I mean, it was a Schmidt storm. So he basically said, I don't know the verbatim quote, but he said that Microsoft might not survive this transmission. Transmission. Transmission. Transmission. Transmission. Okay, let me tell you a story. So Eric Schmidt's here. He's on a panel. They're talking about how many projects Microsoft has going at once. This is Molly Wood from CNET saying Microsoft has these projects going at once. They find them hard to align them to make a cohesive story. Google has all these projects going at once. How are you aligning them and avoiding this problem? And he basically replied and said, well, we're a lot different than Microsoft. Microsoft is going through this architectural transition and it might not survive. Which is that's Windows to ARM. And that's nuts. That is it for Google, for the chairman of Google to say Microsoft may not survive as a company, survive the transition to ARM processors. A transition that's making over a two year. But it's not even really a transition. They're adding an architecture. It's almost like he didn't fully understand that they are also doing, still doing Intel Windows, which is status quo, which everybody can go by and everybody will buy on day one. You get a Windows 8 laptop. I think there is something there where if, if, if Chrome OS was really compelling, which it's not, and you had a phone. It isn't yet, but I do think there are very compelling aspects. If you had a phone or tablet right now that you could dock into something and just be in Chrome OS and it was hot and it was good. Why don't they just bring Chrome to Android? That's not going to kill Microsoft overnight, but that would be really compelling. If they brought just Chrome to Android, why is that not happening? I think the problem is that with, well I can tell you that there's no Chrome made for ARM at this point. And by the way, can I just shoot something your way? That's a good point. Is, are the Intel chips they're making their X86, right? They're doing Android on? Yes. Well, I would bet dollars to donuts because Motorola is partnering with Intel on Android devices. That's right. That's right. I would bet dollars to donuts that the reason they're going to do Chrome later on is because they're going to take whatever Medfield based phone and it's going to be X86. There is no ARM. You just blew this one. There is no Chrome on. Are they going to make Chrome for Linux? Yes, but not for ARM. So they have X86 Chrome. You've got X86 and phones. All of a sudden doing a Chrome web top is not a big deal. That's so hard. And by the way, we should probably just write a story on this right now because I don't think anybody else has put that together. I'll just fire that up. I mean, yeah, it's a great theory. No, but it's the only thing that makes sense. Unless you know of them working on an ARM version of Chrome, which by the way you say just bring Chrome to Android, the reason they haven't done it is because there is no ARM Chrome. Well, don't they do it? Sure, you could do anything. Chrome looks going to be ARM. Well, Chrome is open source. Motorola could just do it. Right. Yeah, Motorola is not going to put developer resources into doing... You're suggesting Motorola won't put developer resources into some insane idea like web top. I think the developer... First off, web top is Ubuntu with some modifications and whatever they're allowing you to see your phone on it, you know, little like essentially the iFrame for your phone or whatever. It's a good point. They could just do something like that in the browser on Chrome. Why build it when Intel goes, hey, by the way, we're making x86 chips for Android devices? They're like, oh, boy, that would really open up our options. And that plugs into their whole, it's not now, it's in the future, blah, blah, blah. Right. And also, I mean, they talked about how they really were looking down the road at what Intel is doing. That's literally what I just said. No, no, I know. That's what I'm saying. I'm agreeing with you. It plays into that. No, a minute ago, I was like, it's not now, it's in the future. No, but I already said that they weren't doing it right now that they were doing it. No, but it's not now, it's in the future. Are you guys disagreeing? No, but I think we're having a heap of agreements. What's happening? It's not now, it's in the future. But it isn't right now. The great disagreement agreement. Right? This second, not now. It's not that. But in the future is where it'll be. I agree with everything that's said and agree with you. It needs a smartphone app where I could just tap it. You know what it needs? A smartphone dock. Does it have one? No, I don't think so. It should charge by the motion of the wheels. It does. It does. It has it right in here. I don't know if it definitely has a charger in here. Is it a dock? No, it's a pouch. That's just like a fanny pack. No, and no. That's a USB port. Wow. Wow. I like how we're just. Wow. Wow. What are you doing? What is happening? I could play the game. Oh, I could do that. I could play the game. I can't hear you. I don't know what those are. Also you caught two things. Twice. Are you good at going to sports? I'm not thinking about going to sports. I'm not sure how I did that. Josh DePaske good at sports. It's like where I realized I have some sort of X man power. Oh yeah, yeah. I'm like oh, I can catch things really well. Yeah. I'm a catcher. Catch man, is who I knew. My super hero names. Catch man to the rescue. I'll just rescue people who are trying to commit suicide or trying to get out of a burning building. Jan, put the baby out. Nobody. Okay, just to fill you in on what this insanity is. Joanna is now simulating a baby by pushing on the seat so that a picture of a baby shows up. Is it coming up? There it is. There it is. There it is. Fake baby. The stroller thinks Joanna is a baby. Can we get back on talking about arm and... She was very kind to give us 20 minutes. And you're blowing it with this stuff. Oh, wow, you're a lot of gas. Can we put him down? He's got so much gas. Although I did pre-order her album, so I shouldn't feel bad. I don't know what I was throwing. You made her money. Oh, look, left and right. She's gonna roll $1.10 out of that sale. I too was gonna get cut. There's so much commission on that. So there was actually one big story. And that would make it a lot better. Not at CES today. What's that? Web top. No, it's Google doing these Google Plus search results in search. This is a huge story, actually. And I think most of the tech press is distracted from it because we're here. That's why they started doing this. They'll never notice. But I think it's actually a big deal. Can you explain the problem? So Google, I don't know if it's a problem. Can you explain the situation? Yes. From Jersey Shore. The scenario. From the Jersey Shore. Where's Sam the scenario shuffler? Scenario. That's what Joe Flatley calls it. What's a scenario? Joe Flatley met Snooki last night. Joe Flatley did meet Snooki last night. Can I just say the one thing? Can we have Joe on tomorrow? Yeah, we have Joe on. The one thing you need to know is that you're not gonna be able to get a job if you don't have a job. You're not gonna be able to get a job if you don't have a job. And the one thing you know technology is... Hey, it's Chris. The level of... Chris, are you okay? Is everything all right? Chris is just wondering. Keep talking. You know that technology is moving further into the mainstream because I think you're seeing an exponential rise in... In weird celebrities. In celebrities appearing in C.S. Normally you get one or two Lady Gaga last year. This year... I mean, I guess Snooki's not really a celebrity. I think that's because you just want to throw money at celebrities. Yeah. No, but I think you're seeing more and more of that. Definitely. You know? Remember when David Caruso was here? Is this about... Yeah, you met David Caruso. I hung out with him. Yeah, why? It was weird. Because he was going on G4 like seconds before. Yeah, but he was talking about some new website he was starting. Yeah, he was investing in something. He did not make money. I guess they've always had sliders. No, I want to say this. Joe Flatley on our team, Lenny Flatley, has been experiencing an entirely different C.S. I don't know if that's spoiled. No, no, don't tell anybody. We should have him on tomorrow night. You'll know why soon. It's awesome. Just don't tell anybody. Look, he made love to Snooki last night. Yeah. He didn't. He did say what? Just like I made love to Justin Bieber. He did say how Snooki would take me if I met her. This really used to be a family friendly... Yeah, that's true. We're in Vegas. To which I responded. Vegas used to be family friendly too. I think we talked about the Google one. So Google. Google made love to Snooki last night. In search results. Like they do every day. Go ahead. If she was on Google. So in search results, Google is now directly integrating Google+. So you see Google Plus results on the sidebar and anywhere in results where you go to YouTube or any other Google product, those results now show Google Plus links directly. So this is other than when I see the little plus, like oh, so and so plus this. Yeah, this is in search, the core product. The monopoly. And Twitter was pretty pissed. Twitter was super mad about it. You know what's getting really sucked for them is when Microsoft gets to 50% with Bing. Bing just passed Yahoo. It's 30%. Yahoo is powered by Bing. That's totally recursive. You know who was powered by somebody else? Yahoo was powered by Google. Remember when Yahoo had its own search engine? Yahoo had its own search engine. Powered by Google. Remember when AOL had its own search engine? Keywords. Alright, go ahead. No, so there's been a lot of talk about this. Twitter is really mad. This is Google taking the big monopoly search and using it to directly promote their competitor to Facebook and Twitter, which is nowhere near a monopoly. And Twitter and Facebook are very upset. Facebook has so far said very little. Twitter is raging upset. I think this is like, Twitter issued a statement, like a pretty vitriolic statement. Google responded saying, well Twitter would just open up and let us search everything on Twitter. It would be great. But that doesn't work for Twitter. For Twitter to just become another source of data for Google kind of ruins their model. Twitter wants its revenue to be searched with it. I think the issue with Google is, just like Yelp or whatever, the more you move into, that does sound a little hypocritical on Twitter. The more you move into, well that's a good point too, but that's another story. It's all about, it's not, wait, if you search for something in Twitter, right, are you going to find Google results? No. No, no, no, but they did open up the Twitter search to allow, but you're just searching Twitter. I know, I know. And when you're searching Google, what Google results would you find? Well, no, exactly, you wouldn't. But when you're searching Google and Twitter isn't as open as Google would like for searching those results. If you're Twitter, you don't want the primary method of control that people come to you from to be your competitor. That's weird for Twitter. Well, the problem for Google is that. And all these companies, but if you're Google+, you would want that. But here's the deal. The problem for Google is they've gone from being this kind of plumbing, this search service, which is powered by ads, so it's kind of like there's a sense of neutrality there, to trying to provide the same services, whether it's a social network or a microblogging service. Why would it be detrimental to Twitter to open up their search? And open it up to Google. Because if you could search all that data, you could mine it the same way that Twitter wants to mine it and sell it back to people to make money. Because if they're going to be profitable, it's likely going to be through some scheme where they sell their data. But it would get more traffic to their site. I'm not saying good traffic. They don't need traffic. The traffic's not the problem. But they would get people- They need money. And in order to do that, they need to have something that is valuable. And what's valuable is their data. And if you give the data to Google, it loses its value. But I'm saying it's not just Twitter. It's also Yelp. Because every service that collects data from users is segregating that data away from Google. But Yelp has also- Didn't they file suit against- Yeah, they did. Yeah. So here's the thing. Yes, I understand- Well, no, it's different. But they are- I'm sorry. Go ahead. Well, I was just going to say, it's different, but in the sense that the same problem exists, which is Google has a service that emulates or replicates what Yelp does. Yeah, and so what Yelp suites them for- It's a consumer service. It's not the plumbing. It's not search. And they're basically mining Yelp's data to power their data, which does the same thing that Yelp does. So it's kind of like stealing. It's exactly what they're suing them for. Go ahead. I'm not saying Google is a saint here, but Google is obviously its whole thing. We think of it as the plumbing of the internet, has been mining other things and making a centralized place where you can find all the other things. There's been an emerging model, and people have talked about it a lot, where some people's whole internet is Facebook. They do all their stuff all inside of Facebook. Yeah, when they have the majority, then you can start hitting them with the monopoly. Twitter isn't like that, but Twitter does have a certain thing where it's trying to keep people inside. But especially if you look at Facebook and Google wanting to compete with Facebook, any service like Twitter or Facebook that's really hard to index and Google can't leverage fully, that's scary for Google. And so it makes sense that Google would promote its own things inside of its search results. This is Google's Microsoft moment. This is the moment where they take their big monopoly and they say, oh my god, we're afraid of threats to the big monopoly. We're afraid of the next wave of services. We'll use the big monopoly. I agree with your premise. That's why they do it. But what I'm saying is everything they've done around it, this looks like Microsoft. So what's the parallel there? Microsoft had the big monopoly in Windows. They saw the web. They saw an emerging platform of browsers that would take the share away from Windows. Oh, you're saying, you're saying what they're doing. And they put out IE and they bundled IE and they said we're going to kill Netscape. And you know what they did? They killed Netscape. That company is gone. I mean, it faded away because Microsoft killed it. Because they were worried for the web. And you know what? They were right. Microsoft was 100% right. And Google's picking up where Netscape left off. And now they're becoming Microsoft. Well, this is, you know, you become what you despise. That's always... You either live, you die as a hero. Or live long enough to... Or to be Microsoft. You either die a hero or you become Microsoft in the 90s. But I think that this is a dilemma when a company gets... It's like when do you stop growing? And when do you decide we've accomplished the things that we mean to accomplish? I don't think you ever say that as a company. And if you're... Also, if you're Google, I mean, does it seem like they made... There was a definitive sense that we needed to be in X, Y, or Z. I feel like they've been doing things, trying things out. This is another one of those things where they go... I think they're very serious about it. Well, I think they're very serious about it. They've been so slow on social. Well, Facebook is taking their bread and butter, which is... It's becoming the place you land on and go, where's blah, blah, blah? And you find it on Facebook. I think of what Facebook is doing and also the way it integrates with Bing is that they want you to... Instead of searching Google for the good thing, they want you to say, what do my friends recommend for music, for movies, for restaurants or barbershop? They want your friends' recommendations. Obviously, Yelp does that in a different way. But they want to mine that social data and make Google a little less relevant. And I think they're also worried about their other services. Facebook keeps trying to get into messaging. They keep trying to get into these other services, which Google has had that ecosystem of. Photos, all that stuff. Chad's giving us the... I know. I think the big point here is not that Google shouldn't try to do these things. If you're going to run the dominant search engine on the internet, you should make search better. Because algorithmic search, like let's have a computer figure it out, is slowly being augmented and even replaced by social recommendation. And Google should get into that. But the way they're doing it with this is so tone deaf and very... It's so Microsoft in the 90s. It's a bully. It's a total bully. They're being a bully. And Microsoft use a lot of bully tactics. And I think it's come back to haunt them. I do think that there is a kind of karma wheel in technology that works. I don't believe in karma, mind you. I've never heard the term karma wheel. Well, it's cyclical. Not now. It goes around. It's going around. It's going around. It's going around. Yeah. And I think that it's... I did something good today. I think it's accelerated. I know what you did today. I got a girl. I know what you did. You can't fool me. I got a 16-year-old girl who was waiting in line to get a Justin Bieber autograph. A Justin Bieber autograph. She got a 16-year-old girl a Justin Bieber autograph. Yeah. And she cried. The girl cried. She cried. And she cried with her. Why was it a 16-year-old girl? I can't think of any place in the world... So many young girls were there....you can't just see her just to get the autograph. I thought it's so weird. So I think what I was saying is that I think that... But that's a meager... I think that in the tech world, being a bully can come back to haunt you quickly. I think it took... I think it's taken a little bit longer with Microsoft because they were such a huge bully. But I think they're reaping a little bit of what they've sown with some of their struggles they're having. What's weird is that Google's already under all the scrutiny in Europe about search and how it promotes search and whether or not the algorithm is really the thing. They've been... They need an open source algorithm. There's a certain way to do it. There's some random congressmen are like... They're calling for antitrust investigation at Google here. This is just fuel to the fire. This is like there's sparks of interest in it and Google's like, here's some gasoline. I think that it's an unsustainable situation that Google has pure dominance in search. I don't know how you deal with that. My thought is though, a government search engine provided by the US government and it's just a gray... It's just a gray and with a cursor. And the results are... I don't know where the results will come from. But it'll be... You'll have to have it. It'll be the default search on every browser, on every computer. You'll have public service employees who will file new links in your system. No, no. This is how we can ignite jobs in America. We can hire people to add things. We can hire people to add... No, no. This is not social. We'll hire people. By the way, it's not the opposite. The government employing everyone is very much... It's not socialist. It's real... I mean, it's not everyone. I'm just saying it'll... The state controlling the means of production and the means of production here only produce links of gray... I hope that everybody knows that I mean facetious. I hope that everybody knows that I mean facetious about this. But let me just... Research. Can I just roll with my idea? Big gray blank page and then we'll hire... We'll stoke jobs in America by hiring people to find things on the web and add them to the database. As long as... Human powered. How do they find... Government regulated. They just type random URLs? And it would have to have an awesome... Nice. Jazzy. Jazzy. It would have to have a really awesome name like search.gov. I gotta say... I like it. I like it. Search. As long as there's still guitar riffs in America. I don't know what's going on. The internet will be free. You can breathe easy. Yeah. By the way, I'm excited about this Reddit blackout. Have you heard about this? Reddit guys are going crazy. Oh, the SOPA thing. SOPA blackout. Yeah. SOPA blackout. I didn't hear about this. Where are you gonna find your pictures of kiddies? Where am I gonna find my ingrers? So what are they doing? They're just going all... I mean, Kara Swisher is not blacking out. They're going down. That's right. Well, I'll let this go. What is the plan? What's the Reddit thing? What is their deal? They're shutting down SOPA. Yeah, they're shutting down Reddit from 8am to 8pm. Not long enough. Yeah. They should go full 24 hours. Why don't they do 24 hours? You know what's just weird about that is... They're really... Wired's work. Connie Nast is worried about the lost revenue. Yeah. The sat. Does Connie Nast support SOPA? They probably do. I'm sure at one point they did. I don't think any media company is really support. I'll just throw it at SOPA. All the big media companies. All the big ones. Really? No, but the print? What? Chad's just coming up with a new idea. Chad's just coming up with a new idea. Chad's just coming up with a new idea. Chad's just coming up with a new idea. Chad's just coming up with a new idea. Chad just wrote a rodeo wrap up. We gotta wrap this up. Alright, we gotta wrap up. Unfortunately, it's working. How do you think this one should be? I really want this to be a screaming guitar solo as you wrap up. And now, it's just... There's two... Can you... Owner of a Lonely Heart! No, no, no, no, no. They're not gonna play Owner of a Lonely Heart. No, no, no. Oh my God. Owner of a Lonely Heart. If they started to play Owner of a Lonely Heart, that'd be amazing. Anyhow, we should... Which camera am I looking at? This guy here? We should wrap up... up. Unfortunately, but luckily there was not much news today so. It's like sweet child of mine is going to play is out of but I will be back tomorrow night with more of you believe more hot like I think we find a place that doesn't have our playing music tomorrow night here, I don't know I hope it's somebody. But if you want to touch us you can also podcast at the verge dot com you can leave comment on the post because up you can find us on twitter. I'm Josh Tupolsky, Joanna Stern is joining us turn Eli's reckless policy to fall and the verge of course at Cali pickler at that particular. But I just need that tomorrow and thank you guys so much for hanging in and rock and roll yeah rock rock and roll. Let's get let's let's work for us