 Alright guys, welcome to the WAN Show, the live show every week at approximately 430 Pacific Time. I like cables like this. Can you really say approximately when it's always after? Because it's never- No, it has been before. When you're not here. When my brother and I host it, sometimes we start it like five minutes early just to troll. Wow. That is a different type of trolling. It's the kind of trolling we often have around here, trelping. Trelping? You've never heard of trelping? No, actually. Yeah, that's something that we do all the time. It's helpful trolling. Where you're like, here's the answer, but in the most obnoxious possible way. I hope it made you happy, jackass. So guys, we've got a great show for you today. There's big updates with respect to net neutrality as well as the Title II reclassification of the interwebs. Yeah. Basically all good news there. Android 5.0 Lollipop so far is a gigantic turd. I mean, we often point at- Well, okay, we'll talk about it later. Basically, the adoption of it is very, very low. Titty tiny. Very small. Gonna have some more lollipops. Wasn't he small? Wasn't that part of the story? Oliver Twist? No, he was just a kid. I thought he was a small kid. He was an orphan. Yeah. I mean, he was smaller than his parents, but you can't prove it because they weren't exactly around. Oh, I think I tasted some cards against humanity there. I think I was coming back. Yeah, that's going to be fun. We've got a new format for Channel Super Fun coming up where we're calling it Games Night. We play games. Yep. The first one is Cards Against Humanity. So it will probably be the most inappropriate one of all of them. Out of anything we've ever released. Yeah. What else we got for topics today? We have- am I starting? Well, I did the first two already. You already did them? Yeah. The lollipop thing and the net neutrality thing. I remember now. I derailed that so hard that I forgot where the rails were. Derailed? By the time I got to my destination. Anyways, China's going to require real name registration to be able to use the internet. So... Buh. Also, Nintendo Creators Program. Buh. You got all the bad news. Yeah, there's more Nintendo Creators Program revisions and they're bad. So... I got the good news and the amusing news. You just got the terrible, horrible, crappy news. Things that suck with Linus and Luke. Let's roll that intro. No, you didn't quench hard enough. I'm ready to do this, though. Oh, cool. And I think it's funny. Our sponsors today are lynda.com. Sex appeal and learning all at the same time. Have they messaged you about that? No, no, they keep letting me do this. Alright. And Squarespace. They have a new slogan. I don't remember what it is, but it's something to do with making beautiful websites. Squarespace. Help you dream with what's-his-name. Jeff Bridges? Jeff Bridges! I don't think that's it. Also, Massdrop. Get good deals on stuff. And it's... Physics. Because mass. And dropping things. Which is also physics. Everything is basically physics. Except they would fall at the same rate. Right. Which is physics. And not all Massdrops fall at the same rate. Well, hold on a second. They won't necessarily fall at the same rate. In a vacuum, they would. Yes. So, you know, if I were to drop you... But mass isn't what's determining that. That's right. That's true. So mass... The mass is not important. Well, but on their website, more mass does make it drop further. It would drop further if it had more mass. So they're defining the laws of physics. No. By not being in a physics-equitable situation. No. No, they're not defining anything. Actually, if you were to drop something... Yeah. They're not saying that it will fall at a greater rate. They're saying that it will fall further because the price is lower. So once it hits whatever obstacle it hits... Okay. It actually craters further. So the obstacle is actually where the recording starts. Yes. 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So we are calling in a special guest, Mr. Ryan Shroud, to come in and give us the once and for all answer. Whoa, he's on his set and everything. He's on his set. Usually he's shirtless and I have to crop around his head. Hold on, Ryan. Don't talk yet. I have to turn you down in the volume thing. Mixer. That's the word. Thank you. Boopity boop. All right. Then I have to add you. Add Ryan Shroud. Everyone's saying line of spec tips. Line of spec tips. Oh, yes, I am wearing glasses today. Isn't that fun? All right. So welcome to the show, Mr. Shroud. We are going to put to rest the whole Nvidia thing once and for all. We're going to kick this right off with, okay, this is what our viewers said to us last week. Are you telling me, you know, looking in the eye, making eye contact, are you telling me that no one at Nvidia caught this? No engineer ever looked at the spec page once it was released and caught it and mentioned this. They're saying that's completely unbelievable. I'd like to hear sort of the flip side of that argument. I would believe that it was not caught until fairly recently only because the the the now we're talking about the Rop and cash size changes only not the memory pool differences. But if you look at that, like those those specific points, those specifications are not really listed on GeForce.com. They're not really listed on Nvidia's website. As far as I know, the only place those were actually kind of published is in the reviewers guide that they sent to editors after the launch day and before, you know, when we got all of our test cards and stuff. Sure. And so then it took us reading those documents and publishing the incorrect information in your review and my review and everybody else's review out there. And I would find it I would find it probably difficult to believe that zero people inside a company that size took note of that. Like nobody said, oh, you know what? It actually doesn't have two megs of L2 cash on there. But I don't know if that person thought it was well, it's not that big of a deal at this point. The information's out there and performance is what it is. And we'll just go about our business there. I don't think, you know, I don't think there was like big meetings between PR and engineering said, oh, no, we have this discrepancy. And should what do we do? Do we want to hide it and bury it or you want to bring it up? And they decided to bury it. I think it was more likely a the right people didn't notice and didn't decided not to bring it up to the people that actually care. If this had been something that they had caught a week or two weeks into the 980 or 970 release, I think they would have come forward with that part about it, I think. So, OK, so let me let me I'll go and I'll play my audience's devil's advocacy once more and say, OK, if you were this was actually this was actually a really good point. Someone I feel bad because I forget their name, but there was a really good point that someone brought up. And that was if you're an engineer who slaved away on this GPU for literally years on launch day, are you not sitting at your computer reading the reviews that people are making about this product that you spent so much of your time on? Like, are you not even interested? Do you does every single one of them skip over the spec sheet because they know the spec? I would guess I think I think it's a very valid point there. I would guess that many of the of the engineers and in marketing and technical people at Nvidia or A&B or Intel do it. A lot of our readers do, which is they kind of read that intro and then they kind of go to the end there and kind of get what is this person's actual opinion on it? I don't think they would really dive too much into a description like my description of the architecture that they built because they know it better than I do. Right. Maybe some of them did. I don't know. And if they would have found that discrepancy, would they have brought it up to somebody? Probably. It's a tough spot Nvidia is in trying to convince people that that wouldn't have happened. I think the memory thing is much more impactful to the consumer than the cash and ROP concern necessarily. But let's get into that then. So, OK, so plausibly even an engineer who worked on the GPU might have missed that part of any review because why would they give a crap? They don't need you to tell them how many shaders it has. But let's get into the memory speed bit because it's not the first time they've done it and it's not the first time that they haven't really talked about it. So is the amount of butthurt out there justified? Should there be a class action lawsuit? If we get into the politics side of it, I tend to be on the persuasion of class action lawsuits are rarely necessary. But I would say in this instance, it's similar to what they did with the 550 Ti and the 660 Ti and how that memory configuration worked compared to the 970. And it's similar in a couple of ways and it's different in several ways as well. Like the bandwidth discrepancy between the second pool of memory on the 660 Ti and the primary pool was not nearly the golf that we have with the 970. It didn't go from 184 gigs to 24 gigs per second or whatever it is. And also it was a significantly higher percentage of the total frame buffer. So I think you were talking about a 2 gig frame buffer at that time of which 500 megs was this kind of secondary pool. So you have about 25% of the memory instead of one eighth of your memory. So it's important there. But I would the Internet tends to, as you guys are well aware, make things a little bit more aggressive than they need to be. Maybe they tend to amplify these problems more than they would be otherwise as the snowball begins to roll and petitions are formed and whatnot. Change.org! Yeah, which was probably the most poorly worded petition to actually get something done I've ever read. But you know, it's funny, I haven't read it. I just assumed there was a change.org petition. Oh, no, there absolutely is. Oh, there absolutely is. And it was written, maybe by no fault of his own, it was written by a non-native English speaker. So it's kind of like all and it broken up and it's like, I don't really know what they're trying to tell me, but I know what their intent is. I think it's something that's worth noting. And I think Nvidia should have, I don't believe that they should have called it a 3.5 gig card, but I think they should have been upfront with the technical media to say, hey, some of this is a little bit different. You know, and we both know Nvidia very well. They could have made this a marketing positive as opposed to a 3.5 gig card with overflow buffer RAM. Half a gig of backup memory. 500 megs of Supercash 2.0 or whatever crap they would have come up with, right? And they could have done that and they would have sold it as an advantage. But now you come back and look at it in retrospect and you can only really see it in a negative light. There's no positive to it. The only positive would be that, you know, this is something that the 500 megs of, you know, Supercash, whatever you want to call it, is actually only possible because of the way Maxwell was built. If you look back at kind of that block diagram that I think you guys showed last week as well, that the white diagram that shows the different blocks, had they wanted to do that before, they would have had to disable the entire block. You would have had a 192-bit memory bus and you would have had 3 gigs of graphics memory. But because of the way Maxwell was architected to be more modular, they were able to disable just that portion of L2 and ROMP to kind of help their yields and increase their profitability on the production side. And thus, you were able to get 500 megs more of your primary frame buffer than you would have been able to get to before. And you kind of have this 500 megs that you can access as this secondary portion, I guess. But that being said, it is painfully obvious after everything has gone on over the last 10 days that this was not the right way to do it. And they are like, somebody sent me a link last week to some law firm that is investigating the plans of a class action and they, of course, just to make you feel better. They really benefit law firms anyways. Yeah, as far as I can tell. But they mentioned me in their description. They kind of mentioned, as quoted by PC Perspective, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, I don't want to be involved in this. I don't need any more depositions in my life. I'm good. Yeah, the funny thing about class actions is there was that Intel benchmark one that got resolved a little while ago where everyone got like $17 or something like that. So the only... And you have to go through a filing thing for it and all this kind of stuff. So the only one who benefited, lawyers. Yeah, because most people aren't going to claim it. They're just going to grab all the cash anyways. $17 is actually a lot for one of those if you're like a secondary plaintiff in that. I've had ones from like back in the DDR memory days that are like $3 and $6. Nice. It's like, I can't imagine the amount of processing and kind of records keeping you have to have for that many people to be sent $3 checks that I then have to go through the process of cashing or depositing and it's, you know, yes, the lawyers end up on the high side of that. The intent obviously to take the lawyer side is to kind of inhibit other companies or this company from doing that same thing again. Sure. Right, it's more of a punitive side. It'll hurt them. Yeah. It just doesn't really benefit consumers. It doesn't end up benefiting the consumers other than... Unless that injury placed on the company benefits them in the future, but they're not getting benefited for purchasing that item. Yeah. I don't think you're going to have a lawsuit that credits everybody that buys a 970 with one eighth of the price of the card or, you know, or upgrade everybody to a 980 or whatever. Yeah, I've seen people asking for that. How do you calculate worth as well because memory isn't 100% of the card. So one eighth isn't actually a proper... Sure. Yeah. Okay, so then the other thing that I wanted to bring you on. Oh, for those of you who don't know, this is Ryan Schraut from PC Perspective. I realized I never really introduced him. We just kind of brought him on and started talking about the 970 VRAM gate issue. So welcome to the show, Ryan. Thanks. Hey, it's glad to finally be on here, you know. Thanks. We were recording all that previous stuff, right? Because it was pretty good. So jumping forward to the other thing. I've got my Nvidia sweater on by the way. I don't know if you know it all. I did. I did. Yeah. I'm just, I'm messing with everybody because I'm going to go and play devil's advocate against Nvidia while wearing my Nvidia sweater. That's like my objective on the stream today. I'm just kind of having fun with it. I got a really fun email from someone about how I'm an Nvidia apologist and there was some terrible punctuation in the email. It was pretty funny. Apologist and unapologetic are so overused now. Oh yeah. Oh my God. I'm an Nvidia misogynist. Unapologetically in behind this. Well, shut up. I got a, we got, we got more than my fair share of those comments as well. If you look through those couple of stories from last week, but. I did do that. So let's move on to the G-Sync one. G-Sync without a G-Sync module. Do you realistically think now that, okay, here's, here's the million dollar question. Are we heading towards a future where a monitor has the hardware in the same way that a motherboard has a PCI express slot? So where the monitor has the hardware to realistically operate perfectly with a free sync or G-Sync and it's just going to come down to the monitor manufacturer to certify or not certify with a given maker. Is that where we're headed? I think that's where we're headed. Yes. I think the, the, the real issue here is when is that going to occur? Right. So the, the kind of controversy around the G-Sync thing was that well, at first the guy claimed that he hacked a driver to make it work when that wasn't really the case. But the insinuation was that, oh, look, G-Sync modules are never really required. You could always just do this. And that's, that's 100% not the case. Like if you look at desktop displays that existed to that exists today and that have existed for the past year that G-Sync has been around, you could not do that with currently shipping scalers and currently shipping, you know, display connection standards. But remember when AMD, you know, like I think it was October, November of 2013 when we were out in Montreal and Nvidia demo G-Sync for the first time that next January at CES AMD had a laptop and they said, oh look, we can do it too. And they showed a demo of a variable refresh screen. Not to me because I'm not one of the cool kids, but hey, you know, that's you take that up with them. That's I try not to take the blame for that one. But they did it on a mobile form factor for a reason, right? It was in a mobile form factor, you have EDP embedded display port. You have complete control and knowledge over all of the timing controllers and the display controllers between your GPU and the panel. You know everything in the pipeline, which you do not know on a desktop configuration. So desktop monitors are getting there and that's why that's this is essentially what AMD's FreeSync is kind of has been waiting for, right? There's a reason why FreeSync is not out and it's not really because AMD is holding back on doing anything. They need the technology to be out there and they need stuff to actually work and function. And what the mobile G-Sync kind of story showed us was that NVIDIA knows this and they also know that in the mobile form factor, the mobile displays, you still you know all that information and they will go through a G-Sync module list certification process for mobile variants of G-Sync at the very least. But on the desktop side, it's still up in here. Right. Right. I mean, I mean, there's there's you got to assume NVIDIA is working on their like I, okay, last question, last question about this because I know your wife wants you home at some point. So do you think what do you think NVIDIA's plan was? Were they looking to kickstart an entry into the display scaler business with a killer app feature like G-Sync? Was that the objective? Like was the was the idea? Okay, we've got this totally non cost effective solution, but we're going to ramp up the business volume. We are going to rev to it rev three at rev four. We're going to get into this place scaler business and we're going to make that work seamlessly with our GPUs. Or flip side was the objective to actually have an exclusive feature and they just didn't think that AMD and the scaler manufacturers would get their crap together so quickly. I don't think they necessarily wanted to enter into the scaler market specifically. I don't think that's that's like a super profitable business that they were trying to work their way into. What I what I really think occurred is if you and I have quite a bit of background on this is like if you they knew panel self refresh was a thing right on mobile and on cell phones on laptops and cell phones. They knew what it was and they figured out that hey we could use that for the alternate purposes rather than saving power to improve a gaming experience. In order to do that they wanted to be first to the market with it. They didn't want to have to you know to submit a standard to Visa and wait for it to be approved and thus you know AMD and Intel and Nvidia all be on the same pathway right. You know that nobody would have any particular advantage. So they went through with developing the logic for it working with partners to make the displays and kind of integrating it first because they wanted to be the the one kind of pushing the variable refresh technology forward which they clearly had done as much as AMD deserves credit with mantle for pushing the development of DirectX 12 Nvidia deserves credit with G sync for pushing ahead adaptive sync and DP 1.2 a plus and all that right. And what I what I think will be the most interesting thing to see is as we move into later this year and free sync monitors are widely available and they are shown to work mostly reliably and pretty closely match the experience that we have with G sync displays. Will Nvidia continue to require a G sync module in their desktop displays and I think they will but not for the same reasons that they have them in there today. I think that Nvidia has more plans for display technology changes than just variable refresh and in order to do that they want they need to have a piece of logic on the other side that doesn't mean G sync monitor shipping today will have those features but that you know G sync 2.0 whatever that happens to be maybe they introduce some more interesting things other than just a variable refresh or maybe they just straight up segment the desktop and the mobile GPUs that way they just say well look 980 supports whatever this new feature is with the G sync display and 980m doesn't have it. I mean they do that kind of thing all the time even stuff like shadow play. It's like oh it's desktop first or whatever else the case may be and they might just not roll it out. I mean even in its current form for what we saw in this kind of alpha leak of mobile G sync it is not at feature parity with G sync on the desktop right. Once you dip below that 25 or so frames per second mark there on the desktop G sync there's an algorithm in that chip that does work in terms of figuring out has it been too long do I need to refresh and it doubles up frame rates at certain points and it keeps the experience better when you go under that with the mobile version it won't have that capability because the T cons don't have that kind of logic. They don't have the same size buffer and so it's doubtful that they will ever have a feature parity between the two I don't know if they'll brand it differently like G sync mobile as we kind of have branded it for them or G sync light or whatever it is. They're usually better at it than SLI light or G sync light. But if you do LITE then it's fine right. Dynamic super G sync. Maybe they'll do LI instead of TI. Yeah. They have a tremendous marketing department. I'm sure they're better than us at coming up with this crap. All right well I think that was pretty much it. I can take off my Nvidia hoodie now thankfully because I'm so warm. Was the Razer armband supposed to look like an Nvidia thing? No no I'm just wearing that because I have an armband and I've been doing this weird thing with my wrist lately. It's been really cold when I sit and use the mouse so I've been wearing that thing just for warmth. It seems to make me a little more comfortable. If that's happening you are on the edge of carpal tunnel. Yeah well I've been on the edge a long time then. Well welcome to the fold. It goes away it's fine. It's only a lifelong issue that you'll have for the remainder of your living years. Yeah it was really bad a couple years ago actually. About three years ago I was having a lot of trouble with cold and pain in my wrist. Old people problems. Wow. I guess we can continue. Ouch that does hurt. I think I'm older than both of you right Linus? Really combined I think yeah. Oh ouch that hurts. Ouch. Yeah I think you're a little older than me. I'm 28. Yeah I'm 33. Okay. Damn that's a little. Alright well I think yeah I'll let you get to your thing. I think I had said we'd kick you off at five. We're also dropping frames on the stream that I think are due to the video call right now so we gotta let you go regardless. Are you hitting up with your are you hitting that 3.5 gigabyte frame buffer limit and you're going into the secondary pool of memory maybe? Is that. It's much slower. It's much slower. I think I what do I deserve in exchange for this? No see this is the this is the like backup memory area. Right so that's why it's still working at all. We should be thankful that the stream is still on. And then start just dropping some frames. This is the memory boost. Wait I don't have my shill sweater on. There. That's much better. Memory boost 2.0. That's like a shill shaw. Yeah. Like. Shill scarf. Nice. As long as it doesn't turn into like a shill noose then we're good. Alright so. Before I go plug before you're into your show go ahead and plug our YouTube channels and websites and everything so we can get all that stuff. Yes do that now. Do that now. Alright so PCPURR.com that's where you're going to see all the stories on 970 issue with the mobile G-Sync. We've got that there. And then we compete directly with Linus and Luke on YouTubes right. And nobody has enough time to watch any videos. But if you go to YouTube.com slash PCPURR you can see some of our crap there. And try to figure out what all this red light is behind me as well. The red light district. We can change it. We can make it a green light district. But I see unlike you I decided I don't want the background to be green if I'm going to sit here and talk about Nvidia stuff. And so you. And then I come on and you're wearing the Nvidia hoodie that we got at the G-Sync editors day which is it's a nice shirt. It really is a nice. Isn't it nice. It's a nice jacket. To be honest. I feel like I feel like such a corporate whore wearing it. Like I put the thing on and then. So it just adds the word corporate. And then thank you. And then that that that super nice one we got at the Maxwell event too at the 970 event. That jacket. The jacket. Yeah that is actually really nice. I have worn that when I went to Montreal a couple of weeks ago I took that it was very nice. But I don't let any I don't let myself wear it when I go out to other events. I don't let myself wear it when we're on video. We're like if Alan's here doing like a storage video with me and he's got like an Intel skull logo t-shirt I'm sorry you got to go change shirts. We're not doing that. I'm not going to I'm not going to bring those comments upon us. So but hey thanks for having me on guys and good luck the rest of your show. All right. Take care man. Good to talk to you as always. See you. Hold on. Hold on. Let me. There we go. You're good. Thanks Ryan. OK. Bye bye. Bye. All right. So guys welcome back to our regularly scheduled content where we talk about things that happened this week. Yeah. So the LG G4 is rumored to feature a 3K display. Let's go ahead and hold on a second here. Let me just make sure that while you're setting that up I'm going to do call outs for the ULTT Starcraft League winners of January. Kane won the official league which is like the not the text indicate Kane. No. OK. Definitely. No. KAYN won the official league which is like the ULTT members league and Commander Fett won the public league which is the best score against the public. OK. That is what is going on here. I don't really. Oh I know what the issue is. The issue is that my my screen sharing is no longer working. Is is the is the AverMedia plugged in. Yeah. Did it fall out. OK. Source. We can try again. Could it be a USB compatibility thing. That's not it. I straight up don't understand what's going on here so we can remove that and then we can add camera and it will be correct. Wow. I love this show. OK. So let's go ahead and the wind show where we talk about things that happened last week carpal tunnel being old and we don't prep things. Yeah. So the LG G4 to feature a 3K display. This is rumored it showed up in some of the specs. It's all the rumors also point to a slightly smaller 5.3 inch display. It'll be 1620 by 2880 pixels which would be a pixel density of around six hundred and twenty six pixels per inch which is very impressive and completely unnecessary. The G3 had a 5.5 inch display and a 2560 by 1440 p screen which resulted in 538 ppi and that was already kind of ridiculous. It was from 538 to 626. I already straight up couldn't tell. I don't have terrible eyes. I'm wearing glasses this week but my close up vision is just fine. And it doesn't make a difference past about 1080p and now going past 1440p it definitely doesn't make a difference. What I would like to see instead is higher density displays in other form factors most notably on the desktop because the issue actually this is something I talk about in our XPS 13 review. So that display is also a 3K display and the notebook is also available in a 1080p version. Dell quotes the 1080p's battery life as 25% higher. Again you can force a mobile screen to be smaller. Smaller? Well you're talking about laptops. On phones you can force different resolutions. Oh yeah no that's fine. I just mean the additional power required to drive all these pixels is something that I don't know if I necessarily agree on with a mobile device because and it should be noted that on the XPS 13 2015 the 1080p models also tend to have lower spec CPUs so there's going to be some savings there as well and Dell is obviously just approximating these higher power models get about this much less. So it's 12 hours on the high end one and 15 hours on the low end one of rated battery. It's a very significant difference. And I got to look at it and go well hold on a second like if we just didn't worry so much about all these pixels that especially on a laptop where you're running Windows 8 and scaling is a complete disaster just doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Alright Microsoft now pays adblock plus. Are you posting this? One thing we really need to remember with this article is that adblock plus is not the same as all the different versions. Yeah there's adblock, adblock plus, other things that block ads. So this is specifically adblock plus who we've given a hard time to on this show in the past about the whole mafia style. Yeah you get paid for security or whatever. Yeah protection money. But it looks like Microsoft, Google, Amazon and Taboola are all paying to have advertisements go unblocked on their websites for users that are running adblock plus. So I don't know who they're trying to make happy here. Obviously their users are not going to be super thrilled unless their users are those users who are only trying to block malicious ads for example. And if the idea was okay you know a site like Microsoft.com is probably vetting the ads making sure that there's no malicious code in them. If the idea is they're kind of going okay yeah you're paying us for the service of validating that your ads are not malicious. Okay I've had enough devil's advocate this is such nonsense. Yeah it's kind of ridiculous but I kind of think they're all ridiculous so I don't know. I'm kind of surprised like I don't know how much exactly they're paying but I'm kind of surprised these big companies are actually paying for that. Well the way that the whole program works is much smaller websites like very small websites don't have to pay I think they just submit an application to be white listed whereas much larger businesses are intended to pay. Right and I guess Microsoft is probably doing it for MSN.com or whatever they're like kind of home page thingy where I think there is actually a bunch of ads. I would imagine it's kind of across the board. Yeah but that's probably the one they're actually worried about. MSN video would be another big one. Man the ads are obnoxious on MSN video. Every once in a while I kind of fall down the rabbit hole on MSN video because they tend to have a lot of really short like 10-15 second you know stupid clips. Clickable things. Yeah and I'll just kind of and then I'll watch like another 30 second ad to see a 10 second video I'll be like yeah I've had enough and then that saves the rest of my evening. Time Warner Cable. This is actually a great article. This is posted by oh we should go back and. It's really unsurprising. Sorry. Oh oh keep going. Quirty Warrior posted the 3K display one. Good Bites posted about Adblock Plus and this one is from Victorious Secret. Do you want to go ahead and post this in the chat? Sure. Time Warner Cable's 97% profit margin on high speed internet service exposed. Actually the digging that was done by the author of this article is not particularly deep I mean all he really had to do was look at some of the numbers that they are providing us on the telephone and on the voice side of things and some other stuff and then kind of reverse engineer the numbers for high speed internet and it raises some really interesting questions if they're making 97% margin. So he worked it out and he figures where is it? Their average subscription is 40 something $43.92 per month and their average cost is $1.32 per month for the service that they're providing to that customer and he raises some really interesting questions. How did no regulatory body ever look at this? Who makes 97% margin on anything? Especially where it's been proven that there's essentially no competition in terms of ISPs in the states. It's essentially localized monopolies which is ridiculous. So you're basically forcing because the internet is basically required at this point you're basically forcing people to buy something that you are serving them at a 97% profit margin which is insanity. It's also interesting that the reported fees have increased by about 100% in a matter of two years. So for some customers. Yeah this seems like this is an article that the author kind of had close to his heart because he was actually talking about how his personal Time Warner Cable basic triple play bill went up 112% in just two years from the advertised price of $89.99 to $190.77. That's insane. It includes all kinds of fees and surcharges and rental this and one of them is a defunct social contract charge which is an extra $5 a month that hasn't actually been required apparently since 2001. Oh my god. He should be able to get your money back for that. Isn't that, okay social contract, what is that? Okay I think the fee was implemented and then taken off the bill but then the money is still being charged or something like that. Okay so Time Warner is not necessarily taking that $5. No they're just jacking up the price. They're taking a $5. Yeah no. It's not necessarily that $5. Is it a form of tax though? Is this a government regulated thing? I don't know too much about the social contract thing. Yeah because social contract sounds like some sort of... Oh yeah it was supposed to be to fund the upgrade to the network. Yeah. Yeah like that's what it was supposed to be for. Okay. But... Oh so for it to fund, I guess it could just go directly to them. Yeah. Oh that's pretty cool. If the network's good enough then hey. Hey and it's not so hey. So hey. Yeah how about them social contract service charges? Want to upgrade some things please? I'm going to turn to my own social contract. Well some cities are. They're installing their own networks and it's actually baller. So yeah so one of the ones I didn't bring up was franchise fees. Yeah. What does that even mean? Super gross. So this is all based on 2013 records but I mean I knew that they were doing just fine. All we have to do is look at the you know all the commercial space they buy on TV and all the stadiums that these companies name and all this stuff. We look at it and go okay they're spending all that money and they're still doing fine. But I had no idea it was 3% of it was the actual cost. We were just talking about what like clothes, perfume and makeup are some of the most... Printer ink. Yes printer ink. Like all those things that are just ridiculous where like the nicest bottle of wine like ever is still very comparable to printer ink in terms of prices. I don't remember that was an article a long time ago. I probably quoted it slightly wrong but it was ridiculous. Yeah the bit about drinking the printer ink instead of the wine I think that was the part you screwed up. That wasn't in there. I didn't say that. No you didn't. Anyways. But it was funnier. Yes. Like that's nuts though that's absolutely ridiculous. I wish our margin was 97%. I guess what I could do is just slash all of your salaries. I think that's illegal. Well this isn't. That isn't legal. I said I think that is illegal. Isn't would mean that it's legal. Right. I don't know if what they're doing is like actually documented as legal. Because there's questions to be brought up. This is a very old conversation so I won't delve into it very long. But where the government's like here's money to build this stuff then you just don't do it. That should be under contract. That should be illegal. I don't think there's any punishment for that. Yeah. There should be something. There should be. Anyways we should carry on because that's a very old very deep down conversation. And when Target goes out of business in Canada and says they're gonna have amazing deals and my wife goes there on Thursday there should be amazing deals. Was there nothing? Apparently the stores were just the store was just like packed and people were buying things but she ended up leaving and going to Superstore to buy some garbage cans for the new office because she knew they were actually on sale. The electronics department apparently was so full of people that there was a lineup to get in so she didn't actually go to the electronics. But apparently just because I sent her there because we're gonna need some sundries for the new office. Things like toilet paper, cleaning supplies, stuff like that and I was like yeah just pick up some of that stuff. I mean it should be like uber liquidation sale. And apparently it's as simple as just saying you're having a liquidation sale and people come and they buy things. They should just they should do that thing. Okay I don't know about you viewers but this is a total thing here. Grand opening and like final closing sale thing. Furniture stores. Yeah. Every single furniture store on like Bridgeport Road and King George Boulevard in Richmond and Surrey like you drive through furniture store land and especially the smaller ones not the big chain ones. Like half of them are having their moving sale or liquidation sale or closing down final inventory closeout sale. Grand opening for like six years. Yeah. It's actually a documented thing where one of the stores in BC had a grand opening sale for years. And I mean like the sign is faded you know. Yeah yeah yeah yeah like it's old and faded and ripping. What did you buy someone else's used grand opening sale sign and put it on it or if you just. Ridiculous. Alright so there's ah yes a new Intel consumer SSD 750 series pops up on a compatibility list so this is cool the code name is August Ridge. It's the month I'm born in so it's probably like illuminati confirmed anyway. It was on the roadmap for releasing Q4 2014 but that time has passed we're still hoping we can see it soon and if we do then that'll make Intel the first one to deliver an NVMe compliant SSD. So that would be an SSD that doesn't rely on the old fashioned AHCI software layer to interface with the controller. So it would actually it's optimized for lower latency mostly mostly lower latency it's optimized for the lower latency PCI Express connections that new SSDs are going to be connecting to whether it's over M.2 or over a standard PCI Express slot capacities will be 180 240 360 480 and 600 gigs and yeah. That's honestly there isn't a ton to say I'm excited to see them in person. Lots of SSDs are good yes for lots of things yes I mean here's something you might not even consider you know if your SSD in your laptop or your phone is much higher performance okay phones a bad example because we're not getting this in phones but on your laptop is is using PCI Express bus and is using NVMe the faster it can complete any transactions that it has to the more it's sitting there idle instead of working so as long as we get nice power efficient super high speed SSDs it's kind of like it's kind of like how faster Wi-Fi actually benefits more than just you know oh okay less stuff sitting in the air essentially that's right that's right it makes everything else that's on that network faster because you're not using up as much airtime it's good yeah Sony has sold Sony online entertainment I'm actually kind of surprised they sold it especially with the timing because H1Z1 despite the highly controversial launch actually seemed to be doing pretty well well okay launch into early active early access I keep not posting links I keep getting to say I've done I've posted all the other ones it's me and King Cry for the last two posting on the forum thanks guys this one is King Cry um yeah like I got is that even proper terminology now because that wasn't even a real launch was it I'm pretty sure H1Z1 is still in early access I think so yeah but then people were like oh my god the servers aren't good enough because early access literally doesn't mean early access anymore you just buy the game you just bought the game you're playing the game anyways dumb but yeah apparently the company that bought it which has a terrible name of Daybreak Game Company well no that they renamed it to Daybreak Game Company yeah which is bought by it was bought by like a holding company columbus nova yeah New York's based investment management firm but Daybreak Game Company really um they make games until they they work until so late at night the sun comes up that might actually be true if you're a programmer yeah so maybe not that far from the actually maybe it's the best name for a game company ever I just didn't like that they're called game company I don't know why I'm sure there's other ones out there aren't we called so I shouldn't have called us Linus Media Company I have never said that that was a good name right I have forever said that that was a terrible name right moving on what like dishwater reg anything other than Linus Media Group anyways they're looking into they said that they want to fully embrace the multi-platform world in which we all live so that's bringing up theories that they're gonna bring H1Z1 to consoles which is probably not too surprising and mobile said H1N1 to consoles did I yeah hopefully we're bringing viruses to consoles H1Z1 is what I meant to say and apparently they're interested in possible mobile crap in the future so nothing was interesting for us not all mobile stuff is crap Square Enix keeps remaking Final Fantasy for mobile those are good games Pokemon Pokemon Blue is a mobile game damn technically yes not the mobile I'm currently talking about you just you just got trashed son but technically yes that is not wrong okay oh this is a shame this is posted by goodbyes this is like I'll post it in the chat this is like a supreme ouch moment yeah do you know how well you're posting the broken ones let me let me do the posting fine um this is great so you oh it broke again all right please stop breaking doop doop doop doop doop doop do do do do doop doop doop doop doop doop and boopity boopity no okay I don't know can they hear us yeah that's not what I meant to do now we're really big hi everyone yeah this is a fairly large area that I've always been really big larger larger than the area that we normally are when we're showing now we're going oh oh no it's all it's kind of fun just start talking go just go I think this is a terrible idea okay yeah Apple will spend two billion to turn its failed sapphire plant into a global command center so you know how the rumor was that the iPhone 6 and 6 plus would feature sapphire glass screens and there was that viral video that Marcus Brownlee made where he tried to scratch it and he bent it and was like whoa sapphire glass is kind of amazing okay you can put us in the corner now um sapphire glass is amazing well the company that Apple was actually had actually thrown a lot of money at and who had committed to deliver the volume of sapphire glass that Apple required in order to integrate this product onto not just the iPhone 6 or iPhone 6 plus but lots of their lots of their products including the Apple watch well they GT advanced technologies like straight up realized that they couldn't do it and found for bankruptcy so the 1.3 million square foot building that Apple built to manufacture sapphire glass will be not for that they're gonna make it a data center yeah which makes sense repurpose the building if you can't do it yeah but it's pretty brutal for a few reasons I mean they could have filled it with trampolines that would be awesome trampolines what my company would do and the ball pits not my company would fill it with trampolines not air-conditioned trampolines mind you but definitely I have bad news by the way the HVAC is definitely on hold for the new office we are putting in hold on just just calm down we are and and and okay funny story funny story you might laugh um we are not only not gonna have air conditioning we're not gonna have heat I didn't yeah because it's gonna be a combo unit I thought it would be when we put it in um so the good news is we're putting in the ducting so we can install HVAC later but we cannot afford it right now this the sound the sound dampening that we need to do in the warehouse is have you figured more about that I have figured out more about that more research is being done it's going to be very expensive is it looking positive into the buy some pizza and do it ourselves um I'm not sure okay yeah I'm not sure okay so sorry what we're talking about right trampolines right they're repurposing it for data center you know cloud storage and all that kind of stuff is all is all yes the part that I was getting to sorry I was trying to remember what I was trying to talk about um the the really sucky part in my opinion is that it will now create 150 full-time jobs and 300 to 500 construction jobs temporarily that sounds pretty cool except that it was supposed to create 2,000 jobs permanently bummer now it's 150 that's a nasty drop it's one of the largest investments Apple has ever made and although of those 150 it's probably like data center people so people in the audience might be more applicable to be hired than the Sapphire plant so that might be good for like our group of people but it's not good for the overall employment number all right so this is actually look at this good news from Ubisoft I think this is good yeah but it's like good because they're reeling back from terrible oh it was okay it's like they shot someone and then they're like hold on let me let me know they did not shoot someone patch the hole they stood by while someone else got shot a little bit of disinfecting they stood by why did they stand by they shot this gun no they didn't yes they did well they didn't they didn't okay let's hold on let's try someone punched them in the face we need a shot some other dude no so they're like crap okay that's actually the bad guy let me patch this someone else robbed their bank okay so they so someone else no no someone else robbed their bank so they went and stole stuff from everyone that's every no no someone okay Robin Hood let's say let's say Robin Hood okay like dirty Robin Hood who's in it for the profit to himself so definitely not Robin Hood not Robin so a thief yes okay so we're gonna call him dirty Robin okay so dirty Robin busts into the bank yep takes money okay yeah but but not like not just like US cash let's say this happens in America okay but they don't take US cash they take all the foreign currency okay that for some reason people want no let's say it happens in Canada okay just okay so they break into a Canadian bank no one wants Canadian currency because it's plummeting right now so they take all the US currency okay and then instead of distributing it to the poor they sell it to the poor for Canadian currency that they then convert to something useful like Bitcoin and then they have money I'm I'm relatively useful it got a little weird at the end okay okay okay so so that's what followed you yeah the Ubisoft the bank the bank thank you the Ubisoft bank basically invalidated the foreign currency serial numbers that were stolen because it was stolen goods so they stole a stolen property it is illegal to buy stolen goods but they bought it from a legitimate store so we missed we screwed up part of that story okay so but will they just stole the money from a legitimate bank doesn't I wasn't commenting on that at all I was just saying we missed the part where like they they sold it to a store that you would normally buy legitimate things from so people that bought it no no no uh the people that stole from the bank a bank with a store in it oh I see what you're saying because they're not buying the money yeah no you said they sold money yeah they sold well they exchanged the but exchanged the money so they were a bank okay so a bank stole money from a bank and then sold it to other banks and then people bought it from the yeah and then they cancelled the bank money okay you know what so basically Ubisoft is reactivating Far Cry 4 keys that were invalidated due to um okay you know what why don't you just do this because apparently I can't handle it okay so I'm so lost now I actually had like the I had everything for the story ready and now I'm just screwed um essentially there's a whole bunch of keys uh stolen through apparently g2 a whole bunch of keys were sold through g2a which were stolen or something from other online retailers or whatever so Ubisoft just went blah like cancelled everyone who had bought it from other retailers um although I don't think that's actually a proper general statement it's said in the article that way but I'm pretty sure Steam ones weren't cancelled and that's technically not Uplay right okay so I don't really can you even buy Far Cry I remember didn't we buy Far Cry 4 through Steam we did yeah we did yeah but then I don't even remember there's something weird going with Uplay and Far Cry 4 I don't remember how all that stuff went down but anyways a lot of keys got invalidated because uh they were stolen or they were assumed to be stolen or whatever even if they were purchased from sites that would traditionally have been seen as a legitimate way to buy things um and g2a has I think some form of protection or something so people that got that or no matter what being taken care of people that didn't are like probably being taken care of and right I don't know their angle is super weird but yeah then Ubisoft went like okay I think we need to like invalidate the ones that we think are currently stolen but not necessarily activated and let people play that actually paid for it at some point okay yeah okay so they're like kind of trying to they're kind of trying to fix it here so Ubisoft got screwed over actually yeah pretty hard and then they retaliated heavier than they probably should have in terms of saving face right so Dirty Robin took their stuff and then they basically strung up everyone he sold it to from a tree they did like the superhero recovery mode which were like they destroy half the city while trying to get the villain right yes okay speaking of which we had this conversation the other night I am like so excited for Incredibles 2 I know it's like not even close and there aren't even like teaser trailers yet but there's nothing we can show you this is not an article yeah this is not this is 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Squarespace.com is pretty much the way to go and then our last one is just kind of a just kind of a fun one we actually have a variety of different things from Massdrop that we can show you guys today we've had a lot of people ruling over this keycap set when uh what video did I show it in I don't know I think it was in the iMac gaming video iMac gaming no one's looking at the iMac no one's impressed I'm running Crysis 3 on it everyone's looking at this keycap set that's what I was looking at so this was like a crazy I think this drop is actually over so I'm sorry guys I'm just like showing you cool stuff Massdrop has that you can't buy but it's a full PBT keycap set with like custom Star Trek themed spacey lettering like airlock key and like phase key rescan for phase clan key oh so it's mostly designed for people who already know what the keys are supposed to be we should get super affordable though we should get Nick Van Berkel a keyboard that has a phase clan key on it then every single time that he presses it it just plays the audio clip we should probably do that actually that would be a good super fun just like how to do it yeah like if we just make like a phase clan button yeah that's actually totally doable we should totally make that that drop is on until tomorrow oh that's what our link goes to is the keycap set all right thank you Nick yes once again I have no idea what's going on I do have two we're not done so you might as well just stay I just want to make it clear he does have notes on his screen he just doesn't look at they're actually not technically on his screen right now yeah he's like he he not only moved the screen away but he put a different window in front of it there's your issue so there's like two layers of defense from the knowledge okay well they have other cool things that are over but the point is they have lots of stuff that isn't just keyboards so this is the graffiti graffiti lichen yeah something yeah anyway so it's a little tiny usb charging cable they've got a lightning one they've got a micro usb one we've actually featured a very similar product before on handy tech under 100 so they've got like cool little stuff like that and this I wasn't really sure about even bringing up on the show we don't generally talk about weapons on the show weapon okay a gun is not a weapon you call it a firearm okay I'm serious if you go get your gun licensing yeah in BC you call it a firearm or they will not give you your license so the fact that I called this a weapon you can use it as a yes mine you can use it technically as a weapon but you don't describe it as a weapon right and you don't use it as a weapon it just can be you can use a kitchen pot as a weapon it is actually done in very many times in movies you can use really you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna hold on a second I could use your BS logic is gonna be it happens in movies therefore you can hit no you can't start a sentence you can hit someone with a frying pan and that would hurt a lot I can't take you seriously do you want to fight me with a frying pan no I don't want to fight you with a frying pan that is not the point that we're talking about at all the point is draw dot slash wandshow for awesome drops like this one bring it back around to the top why do I even let you go host this show with me a frying pan could be very easily used as a weapon that would hurt I didn't say it couldn't be used as a weapon I just said the fact that it appears in movies is a complete logical misstep I said it could be and then I said in fact it is as an additional point not as a main point that was a supporting article nothing speaking of my thesis on on on weapon variability speaking of supporting nothing consoles may get 4k support sometime in q4 okay this is good can you actually really helpful and can you actually do your job and post this the twitch chat the reason why this is really helpful is this might bring more 4k content like netflix and stuff might push for more 4k content because of compatibility on other things so non console people might actually get more 4k content that they can watch through that thanks to playstation 4 and xbox one finally joining four years ago well okay well okay you could play 4k video easily for quite a while on a pc in terms of the hardware but then the ps4 and the xbox one already have the horsepower to play back 4k video it's not freaking complicated um the problem is that they don't have a display interface that's capable of playing back 4k video and we haven't had that on the pc for that long it has been a couple years that's a good point but display port 1.2 is when we got that on the pc like affordably without you know multi multi-linking yeah or like two monitors and bezel chopping or whatever yeah so what it seems like they were waiting for was hdmi 2.0 and i suspect since it's already i mean it it hopefully the article covers this um i don't remember anymore but i i don't think we're going to be looking at 4k gaming anytime soon because that would be a serious as i told hardware revision it could it would just have to do 4k puzzle bobble yeah the arcade games or whatever like it would you're not going to do yeah you might do arcade gaming stuff that's about it so like 4k stick man adventures 2015 edition maybe tetris unless they put too many cool graphics in they've done that sometimes but then now that i think about it no they already have hdmi 1.4 they could technically do hdmi video playback already at 30 fps this actually got said as to no longer be an official statement anyways so so moving on because netflix is the one that said it and then they're like oh wait we can't talk on behalf of those guys so yeah that's about it three months later android 5.0 lollipop uh the last one was posted by crater and this one's posted by goodbytes has only 1.6 market share wowie that is uh not a hell whole heck of a lot um especially given that android operating systems come in at the whopping price of absolutely nothing yeah uh to run on anything so this means this means a couple of things um it or it could mean a couple of things number one it could mean that kitkat was just fine um and handset makers and or users simply don't feel the need to update number two is it could mean that the devices that come pre-loaded with lollipop like the nexus 6 nvidia shield tablet nexus 9 um just aren't selling that well but i really don't think that's it because the android install base is so massive i mean to put it in the appropriate context jelly bean is still in the lead yeah and there have been some pretty successful kitkat based devices um so i don't think that's it and then number three and this is the one that i personally think is most likely the handset makers that are validating lollipop are finding it just kind of a bear to deal with and roll out to their devices um droid turbo was sold with the promise of quick update to lollipop i mean we're three months in that's not exactly quick these days um so so there you go i mean i personally wasn't that impressed with lollipop google has acknowledged the memory leak issue um that they're hopefully going to be fixing and i think it was going to be a 5.1 update of the people that i know that have uh lollipop it i haven't actually heard usually when there's a new phone os you're like oh there's all these cool new things about it like look at this new thing i can do blah blah blah no nothing really i hear some frustrations about like how notifications work and how you have to scroll through them and stuff and that's about it just some frustrations have some extra clicks um all for the sake of material design yeah that's that's about all i've heard is i have to do more things to be able to get stuff done the thing that really annoyed me most and maybe this is petty because brandon doesn't seem to care he's running a nexus 5 with lollipop um is removing the dividing lines between all the characters on the keyboard yeah why do you need to do that yeah don't why don't you have uh better things to do swift key um oh yeah yeah but whenever i whenever i fire up a new phone fresh install i try to use it until it makes me mad and then that's my benchmark for whether it was good enough so so if i have to if i end up switching to swift key it's like how long did it take me to switch to swift key that's how good they're stocking well their stock keyboard is about a two and a half week yeah it's a two and a half week until it frustrates you start to start giving it like its own values evon uh recently switched to the one m8 and it was a one day keyboard for her the uh the the sense keyboard she was like this is terrible because she'd been using the iphone before and uh i was like no no it's okay i can change it she's like no it's okay i'm like no no i'll change it for you i put in swift key i put in the number row i removed swipe and then i changed the delay for um yeah for special characters i do every single one of those are my essential dual gpu cards and configurations this is posted by assassin and we are of course going to use the wccf tech link because we love trolling you guys um mate oh really rect uh rect rect rect rect it's annoying it's probably a loose connection somewhere i blame you you set it up all right i'll try not to add the wrong camera this time i blame your feet i blame your on the table i blame your face you're probably bumping things what is going on here well whatever um it was just like glue in all the connections so new low level apis like uh mantle and direct x 12 may allow game developers to combine the video memory of multiple graphics cards so the autobahn hammer that 24 gig uh system that we built with three 290x 8 gig cards could potentially have 24 gigs of video memory now to be clear this is at least in the short term completely purposeless because no game developer is going to build a game that is going to take advantage of 24 not even just that i'm going to quote a a little bit long quote here but still quote just because they're running windows 10 and dx 12 and or mantle api does not mean that your multi gpu configuration is now stacking memory the capability is present in these low level overhead apis but they will not come into effect until devs specifically optimize the games as such right so not only is there no games that can really use that much vram right now but the devs are gonna have to do it themselves and looking at how long it takes them to even have multi gpu profiles at launch half the freaking time i don't see that many devs really doing this at least not now so yeah so don't get your hopes up no there's probably some sponsored titles i mean this is not just a pc feature this is like a super esoteric pc feature that a very small subset of that pc audience is going to be able to leverage so yeah so that's cool and that's i'm very happy that it exists one thing that's very cool about this is that well it's mantle so it'll probably come to like everything else as well and if it starts being available in kind of everything and then hopefully starts being available as just a plugin that developers can do instead of uh having to manually code things for that then that would be nice so not now but future speaking of uh speaking of mantle and direct x12 this is actually an article i was reading oh for crying out loud right i don't have screen share uh okay sorry is this a linkable thing uh it's just on an nontech oh you're gonna do it there okay yeah i'll just do it here um i just want to share the article that's all yeah so i'll just add screen region boopity boop uh here's my browser enjoy okay uh there we go uh the direct x12 performance preview amd nvidia and star swarm so ryan smith over at an nontech uh put together some explanations of blipity bloop you can read all that if you want here's the star swarm demo and the test and here are the results so on cards that support direct x11 12 and mantle we get to see all three results and for cards that don't support mantle nvidia cards uh we get to see direct x11 and 12 so uh gtx 980 gets more than a doubling in performance moving from direct x11 to direct x12 and we've also got on the amd cards direct x12 and mantle performing within spitting distance of each other pretty well across the board mental winning in every case but definitely within spitting distance yeah yes mantle does does edge out direct x12 in every case but i think that if people were hoping that mantle was going to be the reason to own an amd card um they're i think well basically if they work at amd um then i think they're going to be a little bit disappointed because the thing is is that star swarm is kind of a a worst case scenario it is designed to showcase scenarios where there are far too many draw calls for direct x11 to be able to handle it efficiently and to create cpu bottlenecks it's designed to do that whereas real games these differences that you see between mantle and direct x11 we've already seen that in real games you're not looking at a doubling in performance from from direct x11 to mantle you're looking at maybe a couple of percent a few percent yeah um so that difference between mantle and direct x12 will be a fraction of a fraction of that other bigger difference that ends up being much smaller yeah so and then if we do end up doing that which we probably will eventually end up using all that performance um direct x12 will have well we might not even be on direct x12 at that point we might be further on but that gap probably will have closed at least a little bit anyways yes but yeah it's it's a little bit disappointing that it has to be has to lean so much on developers we're seeing so many things come out these days where uh to quote balmer developers developers developers eye tracking leans on developers vr leans on developers this leans on developers so much stuff is doing that and it's uh yeah as a developer right now i would be scared and excited at the same time all right speaking of being scared and excited this was posted by alex goes high razor has upgraded the blade with maxwell and more importantly for me since i'm a bit of a tab fiend more ram so the blade is now available with a gtx 970m instead of an 870m and 16 gigs of ram is now an option on the higher end skew you still have that same high resolution exo panel display luke is trying to fix it doing things yeah i got kind of a funny idea uh so which one is this this is this one oh what the oh what are you doing i was gonna i was gonna give them like a behind the scenes of what you were doing well i'm trying to configure the avromedia actually i'm just gonna point it at your butt why are you doing that then why would i not do that i don't know this doesn't seem like very high quality show content hello let's look at what you got going on down there well there's computer cables and carpet and video cables and video cables oh look a wheel hey what oh why don't you wear footwear at work uh because i don't want to right okay why don't you have the air conditioning installed uh because it's expensive footwear is expensive that's true footwear not the kind you would buy no nothing you would buy is expensive um okay they upgraded the cpu from an i7 4702 hq to an i7 4720 hq that movement of the two is actually very important that signifies a tdp jump from 37 to 47 watts which the more efficient 970m allowed although personally i probably would have opted for more battery and not bother with that minuscule gain in cpu performance there's also a new lower end version with a 1080p display and 256 gig ssd for two grand still very expensive all right commenting on the crt um oh the crt yeah the crt is for uh retro games next so i i guess here i'll post this one i'll let you uh i'll let you handle this one or i guess we could both handle this one so the fcc will declare the internet title 2 and apply net neutrality rules to mobile that is awesome so great news wheeler did a bit of a jump face and started actually supporting the people that he's supposed to which is cool um and started backing up saying like oh yeah well we we've listened to uh the communities and the people and all this kind of stuff for once apparently um and now yeah title 2 and blah blah blah there's some kind of sketchy things in this i'm not going to go too much over title 2 as we've covered that in previous episodes but uh they want to modernize title 2 we were talking about this before the show yeah um i actually just kind of skimmed over it initially thought that modernized title 2 just kind of meant that they're going to modernize the infrastructure behind title 2 like the physical infrastructure behind title 2 apparently they might be uh changing kind of how it works but a lot of it should be in terms of uh where's his exact wording for it tailoring it for the 21st century in order to provide returns necessary to construct competitive networks so so so yeah we're talking about the physical infrastructure changing and the rules of of title 2 altering to enable that to happen but if we if we were to take the optimistic approach to that statement and go oh it's to it's to prevent the kind of nonsense that's already been going on for the last decade with the internet um then then that that's great i mean some of the other points here no rate regulation no tariffs no last mile unbundling um and this means the action we take will be strong enough and flexible enough not only to deal with the realities of today but also to establish ground rules for the as yet unimagined the internet must be fast far and open this is the message i've heard if we're to sort of believe all this then this is incredibly good news it seems like too much of an about face for it all to be positive i feel like there has to be something and i'm worried about that that could be my like pessimism coming out but i mean the theory is that the fcc is supposed to be on the side of the consumer but they like haven't really shown that until now which is sketchy yeah i i just i just i mean i i got a wonder where they was he keeping quiet just because he didn't want to shake the boat yet and this was the plan all along i mean uh he brings up uh i don't think this is in our notes but it was in the article but he brings up a company that he used to work for that got uh uh control f nabu yeah it is in the notes is it tells the story of nabu the home computer network a competitor to aol a startup that he was the president of that failed because networks acted as gatekeepers so i mean you know was he was he on our side all this time i i don't know don't really think so but maybe didn't look that way no um speaking of not being on our side this was posted by powder banks that last one was from smitty she and the previous one was from alex goes high and then the previous one was from assassin what we didn't do any for a bit um china will require a real name registration for use of the internet and we're not talking real name registration like you have to pay for your internet service from your provider and you have to pay them with a credit card that has your name attached to it we're talking about the burden being put on isps and internet companies to enforce the new rules which are that the 650 million people who are online in china need to be personally identifiable online in their goings about super dumb i just now can i play devil's advocate are you just gonna get mad are you gonna get all mad i know can you just stay calm for like two seconds thank you you know those are all things that just make people mad i know when you say okay um so okay so the the devil's advocate sort of um glass half full side of this is oh it will reduce you know uh inappropriate internet behaviors like swatting or trolling or bullying or just just can you just i said two seconds two seconds i didn't get mad you i was watching you in the screen i saw what you did uh so let me take so that that being being identifiable online will lead to more personal accountability for one's actions when they go about their business online that is the that is the devil's advocate sort of version of that now what i actually personally think is that it's not going to help with that at all i mean there are sites and there are communities where they have tried to enforce people using their real names um didn't seem to help a whole lot with google plus um so so there's there's that but aside from aside from it not working the fact that there are communities that already have this that encourage the use of real names like facebook means that if people wanted to engage in that way then they would go to those sites and they would do it this way we're not giving people a choice and it feels less like a benevolent sort of nod to you know high school kids who are getting bullied and more of a way to keep tabs on what people are doing and what they're saying and in the context of of you know someone's being a dick to me on twitter i guess yeah i would probably like to know who that person is so i can call their mom so that i can be like yo do you have any idea what your little crap of turd of a son just said to me or daughter whatever you know gender equality um girls can be rude online too um so so that side of me is like yeah this is great but the flip side is you know what if someone lives in a country where they're oppressed for their religion or their or anything else about them and they can't they can't find other people they can't find support that's that's a huge problem or if they need to speak out against their government online or get access to news sources that are not censored by their local government i mean having anonymity as you browse the web is incredibly important can i talk now all right get all mad i'm not no i'm not getting mad you said uh because you you devil's advocate and then you went back which is weird as a devil's advocate well i didn't say i was a good advocate you fought against yourself for way longer then you fought for devil's advocacy you were like here's some small points now i'm gonna destroy myself okay sure um you said less swatting and less trolling i think those are specifically totally wrong i think there'll be way more swatting because swatting is anonymous for the person that's doing it unless it's not and if every internet user was identifiable on every site that they're using right you can pick up a phone but if you pick up a phone then that's tied to your landline i'm assuming any any regime regime that's requiring you to register online probably knows there's always ways to file anonymous yeah that's true information anonymous information and that's how like basically okay swatting that example online bullying though perhaps online bullying yes but you're like bullying more bullying and more trolling into the real world which is a lot worse than being bullied and troll not that we're saying online bullying isn't real and isn't a problem no but saying i'm gonna punch you in the face and actually punching someone in the face are very different things i would way rather someone goes i'm gonna punch you in the face on a keyboard and then finish the game we're playing in and go on to other matchmaking instead of having them go kabam in real life right and now obviously not every time that happens is it going to happen but when people can't vent their frustration in that way uh it might happen more in the real world this is actually something that's been happening in terms of uh studies with violent video games a lot which is where a lot of people can use it as a venting mechanism instead of actually doing it it reduces violent crimes by a lot where you can play like gta just do stupid crap and then go play golf afterwards in gta um is actually helping reduce a lot of the like violent crappy things you might do in real life because you can you can vent it's an interesting idea and if you're removing all of that that's actually not a good thing i'm not advocating for trolling on the internet i think trolling on the internet is stupid the amount of crap that happened on the forum over the 970 thing was ridiculous and like totally not okay and i lost a lot of respect for a lot of people on the forum but i'm happy that wasn't a whole bunch of people standing in a building fighting each other that would have been worse like i don't know this is fairly like straightforward stuff i don't know all right so let's move on to something that's also fairly straightforward uh this was posted by nine shadow on the forum the samsung galaxy s6 chassis has been leaked allegedly uh it looks like it's gonna have an all metal non-removable back appears to look fairly similar to the iphone 6 i'd love to show it to you guys actually galaxy s6 here we go blah blah blah blah chassis leak leak okay let me blue okay let's go come on forbes continue to say here we go so here's the article from forbes where they're showing how very apple like the alleged galaxy s6 chassis is going to look that is very they're gonna get the pantsuit off of them yeah that seems very possible so let's go ahead and tuck that away for now tuck tuck yep uh i think there's a reference there that i missed a few people will get that so it's going to use glass material in the front and back some of them are apparently going to have like curved curved screens uh like curved edge screens and some of them are not um samsung pay is said to be embedded in the phone good luck with that samsung might be uh based on magnetic emitting that mimics your credit card so not nfc uh potentially accepted in 10 million points of sale without retooling existing machines i still wish them luck although apple pay is apparently only available in 200 000 spots for me it's more of a trust issue and less of a um like trusting the technology apple does a good job no i hear you yeah um apparently the rear will be non-removable so as much as the s5 was not a huge success for samsung and i think that's kind of putting it lightly i think that taking away the things that made the galaxy s the galaxy s things like removable battery is probably not like i i don't i don't see an iphone 6 clone being a way to win new customers and i don't see taking away the things that sold your phone to someone else a generation or two ago being a way to retain your existing customers so i really have to wonder what exactly is the plan here right now or if it's real or if it's even real yeah could be totally fake so there's that i i really wonder sometimes these things are freakishly accurate so it could be right but it's it's more often than not really close yes more often than not yeah this is really really close i have to clarify something i think a few people in the chat thought i meant that people attacking in video on the forum was super bad i wasn't talking about that i was talking about personal insults going to each other yeah we don't want members fighting we don't care if people are upset with that's like a rule on the forum you're allowed to attack companies bring back the shill sweater so you can attack linus on the forum for wearing a shill sweater yeah that's fine but you can't attack linus for actually you can attack linus i'm wearing fair game that's what i'm saying we don't we don't count we are members but we don't count you can attack us and you can attack companies but don't attack other members of the forum it's not a thing if you disagree with what they're saying use an intelligent argument to talk about how you disagree with or better yet don't reply no because there could be a discussion well first go intelligent argument yeah then don't reply yeah if they seem to be if they just troll yeah yeah recognize when people are trolling you like this right now yeah we do that at really good timing you owe me a coke i don't want a coke i think you already owed me a coke from our last text we just like dinks yeah we'll call it even all right we can just buy each other nothing that works better for me all right so the nintendo creators program which was already ridiculous so you guys i mean if you've been following this whole fiasco nintendo was claiming monetization against uh let's players and game streamers who were streaming their games um you know based on that they're using the in-game music and artwork without having created it themselves when the content creators the guys who are playing the games are are arguing that it's actually their commentary that is the content and this is a fair use of blipity blipity whatever anyway um so nintendo sort of about faced on that and created the nintendo creators program that would allow creators to register as approved creators um and then they started introducing that they want a share of the revenue so i believe it's a 60 40 split by default and now now they are offering a 70 30 split if creators are willing to remove any non-nintendo content from their videos like non-nintendo games like are they for real this is there isn't even a debate for us to have like are they are they are they even i i said this before the show this is gonna be kind of a boring topic because there's you like can't really have another stance i can't even devils advocate you like what do you want five percent i even no i even i even tried to like i don't know if you remember this but back when they first started claiming monetization that was back when we were doing nintendo streams on the after party i was like well i kind of get it it is their music and it is their asset and in much the same way that if i put someone else's music as a backdrop to wanshow they could claim the monetization from it well okay yeah i i guess so but if you're gonna then go and say well no okay we do understand the benefit that game streamers and let's players have especially for titles like a super smash brothers for example where there is no there is no entertainment in the viewing experience that overlaps with the entertainment of the playing experience spectating super smash and playing super smash are two distinctly different experiences and the people who are into that might not necessarily have been into that and weren't going to buy it anyway necessarily and the people who want to play it watching it is not a replacement so particularly for games like that or like a mario kart these are these are great examples of competitive style stuff different experiences viewing versus playing um so so nintendo has acknowledged oh maybe there is a benefit to this maybe we shouldn't take all the money away from people who are driving eyeballs to our to our games um but then they go and they kind of they want to like nickel and dime these people like oh no we like really need the revenue so badly because we you and smash and mario kart are not selling really well and the entire internet isn't hyped over the moon about the upcoming zelda game pretty well right now yeah we you and smash and mario kart are specifically doing pretty good right now so they should like not do this because they're probably fine it's frustrating so basically we don't even game stream but we think this is ridiculous you game stream yeah yeah so that's ridiculous i've done game streaming of nintendo content because i just don't care i'm not into it for that i wanted to play freaking mario kart so like whatever leave me alone yeah it helps that you have a day job yes but i mean it's one of those things where you know it's it's easy for us to say yeah if we want to stream a game we're really not going to give two craps about it because our day job is making tech videos but for people who do rely on it this is extremely frustrating and this is the kind of problem that we do potentially face in the future where it's powers that be that control our revenue stream not us it's funny i actually i saw a comment on uh i think it was on whole room water cooling something anyway uh someone asked what do these guys do for a living and uh i was i was about to reply and i saw there was already a reply i think they build computers i'm like what how can you watch our videos and not know that we make videos for a living uh some people don't understand how long it takes to make i guess that's true yeah i mean actually you know what perfect example of this um my wife evon had no idea how long b-roll takes for the upgraded new and improved linus tech tips format because uh brandon was over at my house which is the only place where there's enough room to set up that oboto gaming cockpit the video for which by the way is coming out this weekend pretty excited for that i'm gonna watch that one yeah um so he was over filming it and we were there for like you know five hours and she was like yeah i had no idea it takes so long like yeah and the editing takes even longer than that so there's i mean there's pre-production and then there's actual filming which is actually by far the shortest part yeah scripting writing film uh editing uh testing things learning about the products yeah all those things take a lot longer than me standing there and reading off a teleprompter nick testing the actual video setting it live at the right time yeah the forum topic all that stuff there's tons of things all right well i think that's pretty much it for the land show for tonight you guys are awesome and we thank you for watching really hot in here i know it's getting hot in here so turn off all the streams i am dancing hot i will take my clothes off and then their monetization for the stream was stolen teach you how friday every time i hear that i think of the restaurant yeah but i know the restaurant is not the original master off your square spaces with knowledge Learn about how things fall. I'm just going to cut you off.