 Welcome to FIRST at CES. You know, this is one of the most exciting times of the year. The type is all messed up. I guess we'll just wing it. Josh, what did you think of, what was the biggest trend of CES? So we're just going to wing it, I guess. You know, CES is an exciting time. There's a lot of, excuse me, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay. Welcome to FIRST at CES 2014. I'm Josh Topolsky. I'm Ross Miller. And this is our morning show that we do every year here. We recap the previous day's events and announcements. We talk about what's coming today. And yesterday was quite a day. It's very busy. It was quite a day. Same thing as every year. Obviously, this whole week is very CES, but the official day is today. So yesterday is where all the companies, dozens and dozens of press conferences happen. All the announcements are made to the show floor. There's no surprises. Yeah, I mean, and Monday is historically the previous day that we just went through is, you know, huge events, lots of announcements, lots of companies cheerleading their products and talking about their amazing innovations and all the new stuff that they're doing. Everything is beautiful and wonderful. Yeah, everything is innovative and you've never before seen it. And, you know, actually it's probably something that's best expressed through showing you a little bit of it. So take a look at this. Good afternoon, Las Vegas. Happy New Year. It's great to be here at CES 2014. You know, 2014 really is the year of the Internet of Things. Our theme for this year is, with LG, all possible. This year is all about play. We know you want one device for everything from work to play. Premium tablets for both work and play. We are not just about motion, but emotion. It's not just cutting edge technology, but it's for serving a higher purpose, making lives better. This philosophy drives our innovations. I believe that something is innovation. Innovation. This innovative feature. A couple other innovations. Innovation. Our new 4K Handycam. We have the ZenFone 5. Lifeband Touch Fitness Activity Monitor. How about a hand for our 9000 series top loader front loader laundry pairs. Tegra K1. The world's first 192 core processor. This is the world's lightest APS-C interchangeable lens camera. This could be the tiniest gadget Sony has ever made. We are calling them pro devices. East your eyes when I'm calling the reference standard for 4K. Say hello to the ASUS Transformer Book Duet. TD300. So many products to play with and so little time to play. Now, on to the main event. The all-important television category. This year at CES, you're going to hear about three other very important letters. UHD. Ultra HD. 4K. 4K Entertainment. The curved shape. A curved design. Curved? The curve? How do you think it's going to impact how viewers experience your movies? Excuse me, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay. It's live shows, folks. So, a lot of innovation happening. Innovation everywhere. A lot of excitement. All over the place. A lot of making your life better. You know, I have to say, just generally speaking, yesterday's announcements, we saw Samsung, we saw LG. NVIDIA was the previous evening, the last really event of Sunday night. So, I'm kind of counting that. Who else did an event yesterday? We saw Sony. ASUS. ASUS. Sony. Qualcomm. Intel. Right. Intel had some really interesting announcements. I'm actually really impressed with Intel. But I will say that, and I actually will take Intel out of that mix a little bit, because I thought their stuff was very strange and interesting. It's definitely like by the numbers, by the book, in my opinion. I will say, this year, more than any. You've done this obviously longer than I have. The first one I did was Palm Pre. Several thousand years of doing the CS. This thing started in the 60s. You've been doing it since the 20s. I've been doing it since the 1620s, which is what's amazing about it. Very different scene back then. But I remember, like, every year I've gone up until this year, like, there's always been some flagship product that we're like, wow, that's insane. First year I came, it was a Palm Pre. Obviously, last year was Oculus Rift, which was a big surprise. So far, we've seen nothing like that. I don't think we've seen a slam dunk product. Frankly, I think the show this year, and this is, there is an ebb and flow. Last year we expected kind of a mellow show, and I think we saw, we got a lot of surprises. This year, I would say maybe our expectation of surprises is a little bit higher, and as a result, we may be a little bit more disappointed with what we see. I think that you can't have the same kind of show every year, and so we'll have to see. The other thing, too, I think we felt somewhat similar to this time last year also, because the big announcements we saw were from the smaller companies that don't have the big press conferences. Right. That's right. And in fact, a lot of them didn't have press conferences at all. Well, you just said that, didn't you? I just repeated what you said. At any rate, at any rate, but one of the big things at every CES is televisions. People, I mean, the companies that come here, they have to talk about televisions. They need to talk about televisions. But we saw a ton of TV news yesterday. In my opinion, the most exciting, if we're going to talk about exciting TV development, I feel like LG doing a web OS television is the big one. But that's a very sad standard for the best innovation, because it's just a new interface to a smart TV, which is basically them trying to get rid of the set-top box, still claim input one, so to speak, before someone else does for them. Well, I think LG is doing some interesting things. First off, they're using a real platform. They're not just grafting their stuff onto some weird proprietary build that they throw on one TV and then don't do it on the next. It's not like this random smart TV software. They're saying, hey, we have a platform. It's called web OS. You can build apps for web OS. It's built to work well with HTML5 apps, which is how all of these companies are building their apps for TVs, or at least they will be for the LG TV. And it has a real thought behind the way you use it. So here's a look at it right here. I think that's kind of a big deal. The only problem is, and we discussed this on the Vergecast and I think some shows yesterday, you've got to buy an LG TV. It's not like they're distributing this out into the world for anybody to use on a television. I will say, of course, if you want iOS, you've got to buy an iPhone. That's not entirely unprecedented. Do you have an LG TV? I don't. I have a Panasonic and a Samsung. Do you know anybody with an LG TV? I don't. I'm not saying people don't buy them. But then again, I don't really walk into what TV is that, because to me it's still just a black rectangle that plays Xbox and PlayStation. I do everything I can to avoid the smart TV interfaces. If this gets me to at least curious them to try it out, that is a great thing for LG to pull off. Right. I mean, to me, I'll take an innovation in software over an innovation like these curved displays that everybody was showing off. LG had a curved display. Yes, an 105-inch curved display. No, was it 105 or was it the 85? I think it's 77, 85, and 105. Well, at any rate, they showed off curved displays, which so far nobody has actually been able to identify why we should be interested in curved displays. I mean, they've said there are reasons, but I don't really buy them. Samsung had a curved display. Samsung did. Who else? Was that it? Was Samsung and LG battling it out for the – I don't know if Sony did. Sony did not have a curved TV. So this is the other thing. And then 4K. 4K. Yeah, which is more real this year than it was last year. And I think probably the most interesting part of that is Netflix and Amazon buying into 4K in a big way and forming partnerships with a lot of these companies. LG had Reed Hastings, CEO of Netflix, come out and talk about – he talked about the web OS interface, but they also talked about Netflix doing shows, doing all of their shows in 4K. Right. And I have to say, listening to that, my first thought was – and we talked about this a little bit yesterday – there's no Time Warner Cable, there's no Comcast, there's no Charter. So any of those companies are on stage with them saying, yes, we're part of the 4K revolution. Right. No, if you're getting a 4K television and you want to watch 4K content, that delivery system is going to be internet streaming. That's going to be your Netflix. It's got to be. It's got to be streaming. And you don't hear – I mean, cable, I guess, presumably will come around to doing 4K over traditional cable lines over copper. I mean, I assume they can. I don't know why they wouldn't be able to. They can do 1080. Or at least fiber optics. I mean, when you think about how artifacted 1080 or 720 is on cable delivery, I do wonder if that's even possible. But the new standard is H.265, which is being built into a lot of these new televisions. The industry seems to have agreed on it for getting reasonably sized packets of data down to these televisions and these receivers and getting it onto your television. But I feel like Time Warner and Comcast are terrified of people asking for more bandwidth, trying to push more bandwidth down the pipe. And so I feel like we're still very far away on 4K TVs. Even though you're going to be able to start to buy them, you can buy them now. You'll be able to buy even more throughout 2014. Right. And maybe you have a better memory of this, but I do know when the HD televisions started becoming a big thing, obviously cable had not caught up yet. You'd have to buy a special HD receiver. It costed a premium if it was available at all. That's right. The infrastructure I'm hoping is there. If not, it's going to be a huge – I don't think it's fiber optics really installed. I think in the next five years we'll lay the groundwork. But it's going to be a slow climb, a slower climb in my opinion maybe, than HD was slow, at least in the U.S. So I think that's the main stuff for televisions. Is there anything else that happened? I mean the tangential to that, at least somewhat, is Sony did announce a 4K camera. Right. That's right. So if it's on Amazon, it's on Netflix, it is your home movies with your phone. Yeah, 4K camcorder. Which is – do people say camcorder anymore? I don't think they do. Handycam I guess. Yeah, well it is a Handycam. I mean that's a brand name. But interesting. I mean there are 4K cameras in existence now. There are plenty of them. People are shooting 4K right now. So that's not a huge innovation. Did they mention a price point? I don't think so, but the Handycam line is generally – that's more consumer than anything else we've seen. Right. It's a consumer-facing product. If it's cheap enough, that would be really interesting. Right. But we don't know yet. I don't see why – I don't know if that's a major leap for them because in terms of processing 4K, cameras do that all the time. I mean you can process higher resolution images. I think the issue is the optics and they're probably putting cheaper optics in there. So it could be a consumer-level product for a reasonable price. Right. And of course – We have no way of knowing. This always does trickle down. Right. So it's going to go professional to consumer to consumer to your parents. Right. So what else were the big stories? Big stories. And this does feel like almost a rehash of last year so far. The big story, of course, again was wearables. Yeah. But not just the wrist either. And this is where we get into Intel. Butt, butt wearables, butt sensors. Butt sensors. There are no butt sensors actually. No. Which to my – frankly to my disappointment. Although Russell – You can insert into your pants, track your butt movements. Actually. Is that a thing? Russell Brandom did a report earlier in the week with Notch, it's a start-up company. They do sensors into your shirt and they track your shirt movement. I don't see why you couldn't do it with your pants. No. Yeah. Notch is interesting because it's almost abstracted from this whole idea of a specific thing you put on like a watch or a band or an ankle thing. There's no ankle thing. That's called an ankle bracelet for a monitor. But last year we started to see just the – a taste of wearables. And this year it was Sony and – did Samsung have – no, LG. LG did. LG and Sony – So they didn't really – did they mention it that much? I know they've had a smart watch for a while but like – They talked about – they touched on wearables. They have this tennis racket. Right. Smart tennis racket. That's really interesting. But there is certainly – Intel talked a lot about their wearables, I mean where their chips can go. And what's interesting is that it was a cool idea last year and now this year all of the major companies are either touting products that they're making that are their Fitbit competitor or their fuel band competitor or they're at least talking about how important wearable technology is. Yeah, and I think even a gaming company like Razer is looking at smart bands now. They announced the Naboo last night. Which is again, it's a crazy company to think about doing this. And what feels kind of off the mark is that we're seeing it for – it records your data or it gives you data. It doesn't really tackle the input thing yet. They need the biometrics. Right. And I remember when we went to see us availed, Casey had found something that was very interesting like that. I can't remember. It was like a VR thing. Oh, the Pivot VR? Yeah. Or is it VR Pivot? I think it's Pivot VR. It was something where like you strapped your – This is cool. Yeah, this was kind of an amazing product. It is – it basically looks like the thing from Elysium in a way. Like the body mod or whatever. But it tracks your body movements, it tracks your arm movements and it looks really, really natural. I mean you can see there's a little bit of lag but you can see Casey's arm is shaking a little bit and it shakes in the game. And I've got to say, you match this – by the way, they also have leg attachments apparently. And this is not that expensive. Look what's jacked in the back of his head. Speaking of the Elysium thing. Yeah, but I mean you – That's scary. You know, you match this with an Oculus headset. I mean that to me is – I mean this goes beyond wearables. This is a crazy, you know, body immersive experience for you when you're playing a game or doing all sorts of things. I mean this doesn't have biometrics, right? This is just straight up for game play. Just straight up for game play. You can imagine a situation where you have something like that, you're tracking your biometrics, you're playing some sort of like activity game or exercise thing or whatever sports game on your 105-inch curved TV, you know. And not to hard-guess, like something I remember Valve saying six months ago when they looked into biometrics and obviously that's a company that just thinks about random stuff all the time. But the idea like if we check your pulse and you start getting more scared in a game, we can actually make the game affect that. Right. No, I mean that's a really cool and exciting idea. I mean even playing Dead Rising on the Xbox One, you know, there's a feature where you can say – you can scream over here and the zombies will hear your voice and come towards you. And, you know, at first I was like, well, this is a weird gimmick. Like I'm not really buying into this. But then after doing it a few times, I was like, wow, this really is – adds a whole new dimension to the game. I mean you do – you are interacting with it in a way that you would have never been able to do before. And it has a real visceral impact on what's happening on screen. So seeing stuff like this, I mean I think it's – you know, we're talking a lot about wearables with things like Pebble watches. Pebble actually had a great – showed off a great new watch. Very fashion conscious. Yeah, I mean the second Pebble, called the Pebble Steel, is definitely I think a huge upgrade from the previous device they did. But, you know, we're talking about wearables like that, smart watches and fitness trackers. There's a smart toothbrush, which is not really a wearable but I think falls into that category. You know, we had the four-glasses, we need something like that. Yeah, right. This is definitely the follow-up to the four. Yeah. But when you think about how you could apply some of this technology to experiences like gaming or driving or, you know, activities that aren't just strictly like, hey, I'm exercising or I'm sleeping, here's what I wonder about wearables. Okay. America is not known – I'm just speaking as an American. America is not known for – and as a person who is not known for this – not known for being like real into fitness and being healthy. Right. I mean at least in the last like 30, 40 years, right, we sort of been on a slow march towards morbid obesity across the nation. So I just wonder like we're making all these fitness devices, all these tracking devices. I mean I bought – what was the Wii thing? The balance board? The thing you step on? The balance board? I bought the balance board. I used the balance board for like a month and then I was like the balance board went under the sofa and it never slid back out. The balance board is now – there's a pile of pennies discarded fur. It looks like there's another chihuahua underneath the sofa that is just fur covering the balance board. So like what I wonder, what I really wonder is people are buying the FuelBand, they're buying Fitbits. Clearly there's a – people think there's a market for it. There seems to be a market for it. Do people actually want to use these for extended periods of time? Are they going to commit to using these things? Like because it would be kind of awesome if we start thinking about that stuff. I mean if we become a nation or even a species of people who do – and this is the quantified self idea. Do we care to numerically count our steps, our calories? And I'm unashamedly one of those kind of people who I do track calories all the time and track my steps. But to track calories you have to input your food intake, right? Yes. That's one of the things that's annoying. That is the most annoying thing. But you think this is a trend that's a real trend that's going to happen? I don't know because I feel like we're still in this kind of halcyon days of wearables because the design isn't really ubiquitous. People don't know where they want to put it if anywhere. This kind of brings up the Intel keynote which was the most interesting keynote. Yeah, Intel showed off some – so let's talk about some of the stuff they showed off. Yes. Jarvis. Jarvis. I know you have a list. We can go down your list if you want. No, no, no. This is great. Let's do your list. I want to hear you talk about Jarvis. Okay, fine. Well, I mean explain what Jarvis is. It's just – essentially it feels like a Bluetooth earpiece but it's one that has kind of an AI that kind of works with you on this. It's essentially the Iron Man Jarvis. It's like Siri if there was – I guess I mean Siri, if Siri were just in your ear, it's almost like the movie – it's almost like her, right? It is. In the sense that it's like this companion that is speaking to you. It's like a personal conversation you're having. I haven't seen that yet by the way. I haven't seen it either but I've seen the commercials and I feel like that's enough. Fair enough. It's enough to know what happens in her. If they die, they all die in the end, right? Spoiler alert, I don't know. Too soon? I'm not sure. Can an AI die? This is getting – Can an AI die? No, and I think the reason Intel is doing this, I think this is a way to set the stage. Wait a second. Tweet us your answers. Can an AI die? Love to hear what you think. Hashtag VirgCast. Go ahead. No, this is not VirgCast. It's not VirgCast. Hashtag first exclamation mark. That would be great. Okay. No, but I mean you also remember like this is somewhat of a business thing too for Intel because Intel dominated the PC market. They screwed the pooch on mobile and that's become a big thing. This is Intel getting ahead and saying we know wearables will be a thing. We don't know what it looks like but we're going to set the ideas and then if you want to – look, we know how to do it so just please use us. Well, I think this is interesting. You know, you see Google saying, hey, Google Glass, you're going to wear this thing on your head. You're going to get information in the corner of your vision. You know, you've got Apple's take thus far is, hey, you're going to have this personal assistant on your phone. She's going to give you all this information. Google is also doing Google Now so it's a little bit of that. You've seen some – you know, you've seen some of these devices, the watches where they're trying to say like don't be looking at your phone. We're going to find better ways to give you certain types of information. This is an interesting take on it where there's no screen. There's no interface beyond the conversation you're having. I mean obviously there is a verbal interface. So I think it's an interesting take. I just love the idea though that you're going to be – I will be having a conversation. We talk about distraction. If you've ever tried to listen to two people talking at the same time, it's basically impossible. So I love the idea that we'll be having a conversation and Jarvis is going to be updating me on some very important information and it's like we'll be completely chaotic. Or even more compelling, they didn't talk about this but I feel like what they're expressing even more compelling is auto translation. And this is something where Jarvis could actually translate who we're talking to and listen. Well that would be amazing. We've seen Google try things like that but it's always – I mean if this device had the ability to pick up audio that well and could in real time process it and deliver the translation, I mean that would change – that could change like how we watch movies for instance. Instead of watching films – it would change how we learn languages. Instead of watching films with subtitles, you may just be hearing the dialogue read back. Of course I guess it's like dubbing so what I'm talking about. That doesn't make any sense at all. Maybe Jarvis has a better dubbing. But you know dubbing is whack, okay? I mean it looks horrible and it sounds horrible. This would be a totally different thing. And this is the thing about Intel. It wasn't a consumer focused event as much. They had a couple of things but it was more – It was like vision. Aspirational, get dreaming. And most of the things we saw were this is the next phone you're probably going to buy in six months. This is the next tablet you might get. So it wasn't as interesting because these were very familiar ubiquitous products. The exception being – and this is where we get into the transportation stuff. And you did a lot of this stuff too. It's automotive. Wait, hold on. Before we do automotive, what else did Intel announce or what did they talk about? The one big gadget thing they did and this is what we heard – rumored was they're an initiative to put Windows and Android on these devices. This was another thing that happened yesterday. Asus did this. Android and Windows. They're like you can have an Android tablet and a Windows tablet and a Windows laptop. Right. And an Android laptop. I guess if that's a thing that you want which I don't know why you would. And Intel is pushing for this as well. This to me feels like the touch screen laptop movement. The convertible like hey, it flips into a tablet and now it's a laptop. I don't really believe that that's how people want to use these devices. I think if you had the right size screen which is a smaller screen and a great dock for it, you can have a tablet experience that becomes a slightly more laptop like tablet experience and I think you can have a more simplified laptop. But I'm not sure that people necessarily want a device that's trying to do both things. And I think that when you try to do – I mean I think that in a way Microsoft has shown there are real problems with this. And when you try to do both things, it becomes – you compromise. It does feel like a lot of these were like the Windows 8 form factors that just did not sell. Right. They're like oh, we have this 13 inch, 12 inch form factor laying around. Why don't we put Android on it and then maybe we can sell some of these things. Which is maybe we're being cynical but I do feel that there – again, it's like is there a market for this product? How do you create a market for it? I mean my experience is I like a smaller tablet and a small laptop and they do very different things. So anyhow. So the other big story of the show, transportation. That's where you were going. That's where I'm going to. Because that one is somewhat aspirational but it also feels a little more actualized. We're about to get in this field where like self-driving cars is a big thing. Those are trying to get approved really fast. You did the Toyota iRoad which I am fascinated by this. I took this iRoad device and we've got a story up on the site in an amazing video. The iRoad is a three-wheeled – they say two-passenger that it's really like one regular size human and a kid or something. You're not a regular size human. Or what Toyota said which was two homo sapiens from Japan. That is the most politically correct. Very politically correct. So this thing is actually really cool. What it is is they're meant for car sharing programs. Essentially how we have city bikes in New York that you can grab, take somewhere and then drop off. They're going to start doing these in Asia and Europe. It's a three-wheeled leaning vehicle. It can go about 30 miles an hour top speed. And I think 50 kilometers is the range. So it really is just an inner city commuting or from a short trip from the suburbs to the city. But it is so much fun to drive. It's a lot of fun. And I'm a big guy. I fit in okay. It's a ton of fun to drive. And when you think about if you can imagine a city where let's just say half the cars are replaced, the people who are commuting around the city, half the cars are replaced with devices like this. And it's also all electric obviously. Well not obviously. That's another issue in development too because Toyota fuel cells as well. That's going to be a big deal. Yeah, Toyota had a fuel cell announcement I believe yesterday. And there's clearly, look, automotive is changing. I think Tesla has really reignited the imagination for what can happen in cars. And Google with the self-driving car. Audi last night showed off a self-driving car. They had stuff last year they showed us. It's apparently even more advanced this year. But transportation is getting really interesting. People are taking it seriously. And it's not just, hey, we put a bigger, more interesting stereo or GPS unit in the car. We've changed the way you're thinking about driving. I mean, Audi's idea is that you'll be in traffic and the car will switch into some mode where it drives for you so you can read a book or take a phone call or do whatever. Or even like take a step back. This one we know is going to have the 2015 Corvette. Their display is basically Gran Turismo, which may be a little likely. They kind of gamify. It makes me a little nervous, people who are feeling this is Gran Turismo. Yeah, I mean, people will definitely abuse it. Or they'll start playing Gran Turismo. It's way more boring. That's problems with humans, really no problems with what Chevy's doing. But we have this Audi. Do we have a clip of this? We do. So also, to set the stage first, last year Chris did the self-driving car with the Audi, but it was only in a parking lot. Chris Igler went to do an Audi demo and he got in the car and it parked itself. Which is like, okay, that is very, very fascinating. We were all amazed by it. This year, obviously, they want to show off a little more, so Chris got to do a few extra things with it this year. Yeah. We should show this. So here's Chris test driving, or test riding the newest version of Audi's self-driving vehicle. This is Chris from The Verge, and today we're looking at a pair of Audis you're definitely not going to find in your local dealership. One drives for you, one reads traffic lights, and both are kind of amazing. So Audi has worked with the city of Las Vegas to wire up all of these street lights so that they're actually downloading information about the programs that the street lights are running on. The reds, the greens, in real time, and Audi is calculating when the lights are likely to change. The engine is currently completely off. The car has start-stop technology, and because it knows when this light is going to change from red to green, when there's five seconds left, the engine automatically turns on. So we're ready to go. Normally, with a start-stop engine, the only time the engine turns on is when you let your foot off the brake, and then there's a little bit of a delay before the engine's ready to go. So by the time the light changes, you can press the gas and you're good to go. And one of the great things about the car being able to detect when it needs to start the engine is that if you're not paying attention, the stop lights, if you're looking around, you can feel the engine start. You can feel it on the pedal, the brake pedal. You can sort of hear the engine a little bit. So that kind of gives you a reminder that you need to start paying attention because the light's about to change from red to green. The system is only live in a few European cities right now, and it's very difficult to scale because every major European city does their traffic lights differently. It's a little more homogenous in the US, but it's still a huge task to try to take in all of this traffic light information, collect it in a server farm in Germany, and process it and get it out to all the cars. So this is a slow process. The Las Vegas deployment is just for CES, of course. But over time, hopefully, we'll see this in more cars. Later, we took to the highway to see what happens when you fall asleep while your self-driving car is slogging along in a traffic jam. OK, here we go. Please watch the traffic around me because this is pretty scary. All right, here we go. There you go. So it says, driver attention, please take control of the vehicle. After five seconds, start to break down. And there you go. And the emergency lights are on. Well, they just switched back off again. That sometimes happens. Still in development. That's a loud beep. It is. Hard to ignore. It is. Absolutely. We want the driver to know that he's supposed to take over. Right. It uses a variety of sensors both inside and outside the car to make this happen. Inside there are cameras that are actually keeping an eye on my face. If I fall asleep, the car detects that. It automatically shuts off the piloted driving. And if I take too long to take control of the car, it'll actually bring it to a full stop, put on the flashers, and call the cops. So there you have it. Just like last year, Audi is throwing a lot of new technology at CES. And neither of these technologies are ridiculous notions that we'll ever see the light of day. They're real. And there's good reason to think they'll be in production car scene. So pretty incredible. I mean, I think there's this feeling of safety because you've got somebody behind the wheel there. But when you see them just taking their hands off the wheel and there's an 18-wheeler whizzing past them. It reminds me of that scene from Fight Club where they just go over the wheel and crash. Yeah. That's what it's like, except it's not crashing. No, it's very boring. It comes to a stop. Yeah. But it's pretty incredible. And that'll be a... We haven't put that up, the video, up as a standalone yet. No, that'll be in about an hour. That'll be up on the site in just a little bit so you guys can re-watch it. And it's a really cool report from Chris. So I think that's kind of the show. We have a lot of stuff happening today. This is the first of the firsts. We'll be doing them throughout the week. And of course, later tonight, we'll do the Verge cast after hours. And I don't know if we... We don't have any live post-show events today. No, but we do have one very interesting thing. Right now, obviously, we're doing the show while Kaz Harai does a keynote. And apologies for that, of course. Yeah. If people are watching both, thank you. Yeah. If you didn't know, there's a Kaz Harai keynote going on right now that we're covering live. But as an apology, I mean a culpa for us, the Sony president, new Sony president, Mike Vesula will be here. This is his first interview ever as a Sony president. Yeah. Very cool. He'll be here in the studio? In the studio, live. We'll be talking to him, Neil. And Neil I will be doing an interview with him. And that's in... It's about 11 o'clock. We want to say 11, but obviously they're literally going straight from the... Four and a half, but we'll have to see what their schedule is like over there. But so yeah, and by the way, we'll have a bunch more interviews and hands-on and all kinds of demos and stuff from the studio here. Like I said, Verge cast at night. First will be happening every morning, then 90 seconds on The Verge, of course, every day. So plenty of video, lots of video coming from The Verge. That is first, and we will see you guys tomorrow morning. Take care.