### Comment:
IMO the date under discussion includes two big thresholds: full autonomy and maturity of EV market. 
  
 If they pass those two tests they will definitely make some serious money, and i'm not sure all the existing ICE manufacturers will pass.

### REPLY:
They definitely won't pass, they see where things are going. Porsche making the Taycan, next cayman will be all electric too. VW ID.3, plus a few others. Renault-Nissan going in the right direction as well. Toyota has been moving more and more to hybrids in the last 15 yrs, I don't think they'll shy away from full electric. These companies are a bit like big pharmaceutical companies - don't want to do the battery RnD themselves, but they won't just sleep on a large market segment

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