@_dave @psirides @jas_soar @kari_jerge @critcaremd @msiuba @utah_gimme_2 @virenkaul @accpchest @emily_fri @doclief @pulmcrit @otisbrickman @donicme @medevidenceblog agree but i read it as more a point of when _everything_ else has failed, not just another proximate cause. when all of the other organs are already being supported and the heart fails, it is a very different situation