Well, I think Bukosuke also said, and I'm just a Bukowski quote generator today, I love him. I love him very much too. He's a dark and troubled and fascinating and a weird person. Like Hunter S. Thompson. He said, what matters most is how you walk through the fire. I think so there's a bit of the Kenhanes in that too. David Goggins in that too. What do you think he meant by that?