Cause I'm thinking in the podcast as a podcast historian or whatever, that was like the Mark Maron era, right? That's when I remember Mark Marin was like a thing, and I was like, what is going on with Mark? Like, Obama went on Mark Marin, which was, like, crazy. And I remember being like, man, there's something going on in this space. But then it's like, you not only eclipsed Marin, like, you became this, probably this, I would say, one of the single most influential people in american life. And so, like, when do you think that transition happened for you? I know you haven't changed your. Your affect or anything, but when do you think that was?