It just, it was just like this old guard in skating, and they just, they didn't like to see anything new or sort of fringe. And then I started doing that. And then, and then a lot of my peers who were my age, they all figured that same technique out, and then we just kind of took over, you know, that became the way to skate. And. But, but then through the years, like, in those days, you know, skating was still very much a novelty. And then in the nineties, like, x games came into play, and then all of a sudden, my name was, was being, well, was well known, not mainstream, but getting there. And then our video game came out, and then it was just like, oh, you're just a sellout.