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Didn’t trump treat the secret service like shit, while Obama respected them?
I always thought it was telling when Mike Pence would not get in the car that was being driven by the secret service on January 6th.   I think he also suspected they were compromised by the former president. >

This is still huge for me, and it shocks me how little it seems like people talk about this. When the VP is afraid of someone on the inside, this should terrify everyone. >

What do you make of his claim that he thought it was a bad look for the VP to be seen fleeing? I know it casts him as the hero and all so he has incentive to push that narrative but I don’t know. Maybe it’s true. >

What's weird to me is that he hasn't really blamed Trump for what happened. >

Yeah whatever his motivation for not getting in that car, he has failed his country with his silence over this issue. Silence is consent. >

I don’t get it. How has Trump made so many people into crazy acolytes? Like, there may have been Secret Service agents who preferred Bush to Obama, but I’d bet money they did their jobs and/or asked to get transferred to Kansas or whatever. Why are people so willing to light the world on fire for this guy. He’s not smart, he’s not charismatic. What do they see in him? >

Good question and I do wonder the same. That Trump seems to be able to produce  zealots with unquestioning  loyalty can't  be disputed but as you say ... how/why? I find it hard to believe  that racism  is the sole factor. >

It doesn't have to be the sole factor. Christian nationalism is another factor (there are quite a few Christian nationalists who are POC). >

Yeah that's  another  group  he courts but would the USS be full of those? >

Are most Americans Christian nationalists? No, however their numbers are significant. >

Interesting. >

Law enforcement agencies have always been populated by right wingers, at every level from local to federal, so no surprise the Secret Service is full of Trump supporters >

Consistently throughout history law enforcement have been ready and willing to serve the fascists. Hitler had to purge the military in his rise to power, no such thing was needed to turn police into genocidal enforcers. >

Honest question, why is this? What is it about the incentive structures of police that leads to this outcome. Furthermore, is it possible to change the incentives such that this link is broken? >


What is it about the incentive structures of police that leads to this outcome.

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For the US at least.
Qualified Immunity: Almost impossible to sue a cop who wrongs you.
Incestous Relationships: The cops, judges, and lawyers are all on the same team.  'We investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong'
Police Union Gang Mentality: They'll look out for each other.  If you actually catch heat, they'll rehire you a county or two over.  If you try to expose wrongdoing, (or someone tries to expose yours) then they tragically die in a 'training accident' or find themselves in a situation without backup.  Or forced to resign, best case scenario.
Little training required: Court decisions have stated a cop is not required to know the law, only 'believe that a crime has been committed' which also falls back to QI and PUGM if they were 'wrong'.  Ignorance is no excuse if you 'did wrong' but they can ruin your life on a hunch.
Maximum Intelligence standards: It has been declared that there is nothing wrong with districts refusing to hire people who score too highly on tests.  Likely cause they'd be rational thinkers.
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In a nutshell, you have a force that has barely any enforceable rules, freedom to abuse and make up reasons, a bunch of buddies who will cover for them, a system that almost never punishes them, protection from almost any repercussions from those they hurt, and a culture that attracts the least intelligent. >

Generational racial superiority in all power structures backed by old money. >

Come spend a night or ten in Atlanta Rice St intake and tell me it's racial, where black guards force black accused to pile 20+ people into an 8x12 shit-filthy room, so overcrowded that people sleep under the toilet to lay down because there's no room to move, lights blaring at all hours, where the guards play a game of "we'll crack the door and let oxygen into your room if you keep the ones that lose it from banging on the glass," where they purposefully delay processing people for court and bail, saying that we should write politicians for more money for them if they want it to improve, where you have to collapse and convulse if you want medical care because things like saying you're diabetic and need insulin aren't enough, where they put you in the cold cell near the open door in winter for acting up with your hands tied behind your back so you can't huddle for warmth, where COVID spreads to entire cell blocks and they simply don't count the dead, so it's not real. It's 2023, fascism can be black now, all it ever needed was an out-group, never mattered which one. >

At minimum, everyone associated with the mysterious disappearing texts from January 6 ought to have been reassigned to somewhere in Bumfuck, North Dakota. >

Bumfuck is actually quite nice this time of year. I say we go medieval on them and send them to…. PEORIA ILLINOIS! >

The Geneva Convention prevents cruel and unusual punishment. >

Bumfuck it is. >

Our former president has made embarrassment out of this country. >

Trump could not do so without help and support from his voters.
Straight white males overwhelmingly voted for the big orange turd in both 2016 and 2020.
Not coincidentally the vast majority of Secret Service members are straight white males. >

You know that white women broke for Trump 2016, right? Without them, he wouldn’t have won. >

But not the majority.
Heck some blacks voted for him too, like Ice Cube, Charlie Barkally, Scott Baio. >

53% of white women voters voted for trump in 2016. 55% of white women voters voted for trump in 2020.
White men absolutely hold some of the blame, but white women aren't getting let off the hook anymore. >


white women aren't getting let off the hook anymore.

They didn’t. Their daughters and granddaughters are now part of 50% of the population that lost reproductive autonomy. Consequences are here, we just haven’t seen the excruciating preventable maternal deaths and prom dumpster babies, yet. >


Their daughters and granddaughters are now part of 50% of the population that lost reproductive autonomy.

And they have their mothers to blame for their loss.
The comment I was replying to claimed the majority of white women did not vote for trump. I corrected them.
White women can't claim to be allies in public while supporting maga and white supremacy as soon as they get home or in the voting booth. >


And they have their mothers to blame for their loss.
Mostly grandmothers, too. The majority of voters in 2016 were over 50. 
The comment I was replying to claimed the majority of white women did not vote for trump. I corrected them. 

Good, but let’s make the correction complete. It was the majority of Christian white women, eligible to vote, over the age of 40 in 2016, in rural areas, partial (not full) college education, who voted R in the 2016 election. 

White women can't claim to be allies in public while supporting maga and white supremacy as soon as they get home or in the voting booth.

A hypocrite from any demographic or sub demographic, in any form is unwelcome. >


Good, but let’s make the correction complete. It was the majority of Christian white women, eligible to vote, over the age of 40 in 2016, in rural areas, partial (not full) college education, who voted R in the 2016 election.

53% of white women voters voted for trump in 2016. 55% of white women voters voted for trump in 2020. Those are the stats.

A hypocrite from any demographic or sub demographic, in any form is unwelcome

well duh >


53% of white women voters voted for trump in 2016. 55% of white women voters voted for trump in 2020. Those are the stats.

Yes, for the number of women who registered to vote, who identify in the demographics I listed. Sub populations and people are more than just color and crotch. 

well duh

Translation: indubitably. Glad we could have an accord. >

This is why a lot of government needs clean house.
Their oath is to the office and constitution not their own political beliefs or a single person. 
Also makes sense as to why SS had to remove certain agents from his detail and put those from his VP time to him. >


Their oath is to the office and constitution not their own political beliefs or a single person. 

It's cute that you think oaths matter. >

It should be treated like Oaths taken for military service. One misstep and your ass is grass regardless of rank. >

Michael Flynn. >

Right?  I cannot believe that soooo many people are still looking at norms and institutions with rose-colored glasses after the previous presidency.
All that matters anymore is power and the exercising of power.  And too much of the general public is tuned-out or suppressed for us to hold anyone accountable—and there are plenty that richly deserve some accountability. >

So clean house >

He has.  He choose members close to him that he knew when he got in and replaced the director of the agency.  Not fast, or loudly, but the behind the scenes actions are happening. >

I though Biden’s dog already established that the secret service couldn’t be trusted? >

I’m getting Praetorian Guard vibes and I don’t like it >

Purge the Secret Service (and FBI) of all those who aided and abetted the 1/6/21 insurrection. These agencies must be non-partisan. >

How dare you come to Reddit and be sensible!!! Reported!!!! >

Pence had the same worry. >

I graduated college with a idiot who idolizes Trump he work for the Secret Service now >

Might not be a bad idea to keep an eye on his social media >

Yeah, what hes saying could hint at something yet to come >

He is only our second catholic president, and they did the other one pretty dirty. >

Congratulations, you've been nominated for the Understatement of the Year Award. It's named for Thaddeus Understate, a 19th century politician who described the South as "somewhat fond of owning people" and warned of furious letters to newspaper editors and soapbox speeches against abolition. >

He should be worried. They facilitated meetings between the Trumps and various Russian agents. They helped steal and hide National Security Documents. As soon as Secret Service was folded into DHS, they became just another corrupt Republican controlled "Law Enforcement" agency. >

It's a fair concern. >

There were no good people who supported Trump. Many people in law enforcement supported Trump. >

Democrats know but have no courage to admit it. Law enforcement in the USA is heavily infiltrated by white supremacists. >

Although the movie wasn't great, this type of article always makes me think of the line from Tom Cruise's Jack Reacher movie, "There are three things cops never do, they don’t vote democratic, they don’t drive Cadillac’s and they never use personal vehicles.”  
Here is the clip, if anyone is interested. >

Fire. Them. All. >

Next level cult shit when they’re in the same room with the guy all the time, see exactly how childish and narcissistic he is, everyday, and still say “yes, I wish this man to be god king emperor of the United States” >

Major the dog was certainly on to something with his nips. >

I worried about that before 1/6 and still do - can’t imagine why he hasn’t purged the SS ranks like Lula is doing already in Brazil. >

Germany got a sniff of a coup in the making and rounded up and arrested everyone they could identify who was involved.  Here we’re still debating over whether or not we can even fully investigate the people everyone in the world watched almost topple American democracy on live TV two years ago. >

Wait until he finds out about the military, federal law enforcement, border patrol, and the intelligence apparatus. We’re infested at every level with fascists. >

I was in the marine corps and honestly not many people liked trump from my experience. They disliked Biden more and still voted for trump, but  not many people were actually in love with trump. >

Fair enough. I also have worked with people that voted for trump because he pissed off liberals and gave them permission to be open racists. They’re not in the cult but I assume similar to people you are talking about. >

#justiceformajor >

Even Mike Pence didn’t Trust them. >

Then clean house, you dummy!  Fire Trump loyalists.  You don't need a reason.  Trump, sure as hell didn't. >

Yeah...nothing new. Any normal person will notice most cops/law enforcement/military are republican. >

Then he should have them terminated. Trumped fired people. Biden can too. >

So they are the ones who could have stashed classified documents all over the place to implicate Biden...
Time to clean house if you don't trust them. >

The November findings of the documents and his German shepherd are great examples. Some conspiracy believers think the democrats placed them to show the difference between Biden and Trump and hid because of midterms. But you look at it it’s more: “who got paid to create a false scandal.” >

He's not wrong. >

Clean house bro >

Would not trust a single agent who worked under Trump, not a single one. They were all handpicked for their loyalty to Trump. >

I’d fire them all. >

Why is it so hard to just fucking fire them? Trump fired everyone. Biden is doing a good job, but goddamn, just fucking fire people and vet new ones. Can't be that hard to ask questions to weed out the far-right asswipes. >

The demented Donald Trump permanently damaged this country in ways we are still not yet fully aware of. >

In the movies the supervillain is always a super smart tactician and schemer. I never knew America's supervillain would be such a dumb oaf. >

That has been the most difficult part of this to deal with - coming to terms with the idea that 45% of the voting population think a world class imbecile like Donald Trump was worth attempting a coup over. >

I don’t understand how so many can be loyal to him. He is without a doubt the weakest man I have ever seen. Nothing about him should draw people in to the point of having loyalty to him post presidency. He is nothing. Any power he wields now is only because people are just handing it to him on a silver platter.  Why? I genuinely can’t think of a reason. >

Replace them? >

With who? >

Major Biden sounds like he could singlehandedly replace all of the untrustworthy Secret Service agents. After all, he is quite smart and was woke enough to apparently sense what's really going on. >

I’m sure many share the above-the-law attitude Trump has. >

No wonder. He put them up in his own hotels using tax payer money to give them palatial accommodations! >

So he is saying with some confidence that the secret service killed his dog for no reason right? >

I went on a couple dates with a guy who was secret service for the Trumps. That dude LOVED them. He thought they were the NICEST people. It was fucking weird. I joked briefly about Melania and that was a bad move on my part. No ragrets. >

The dog was right. >

Trump bout to be like "execute order 66" >

He should fire them then. I wouldn’t want to be protected by people who secretly hate me. I would never feel safe, between thinking that they won’t go above and beyond to save me or they might actively be working against me.
I could never. 
It’s not ok. >

People were saying he should have cleared the ranks when he got in office for good reason >

What is it with centrists? Trump explicitly made an effort to purge every department of non loyalists and Biden is just “worried”. 
Newsflash . All the departments are biased towards loyalty to Trump >

I think they planted the documents too for Biden. That’s why out of the blue you have papers from his Obama days just being found?!? Makes no sense… >

Damn I knew this fool was gettin a little senile but hot damn this ain’t no news flash. Did they even ever have to deny it? Because they should have. Just ask Mike Pence, the turd that he is. >

They are. Pence knew if he got in that car with them, they’d do something to him. They need to be purged and questioned thoroughly, then a new set hired with the absolute strictest and deepest digs through their lives. >

Fire them! WTF! >

I mean…obviously, after jan 6 the whole agency should have been purged, ESPECIALLY after they “lost” texts from that day. >

Some secret service personell tried to get Pence bundled into a car and removed from Washingtonin order to carry out an autocoup.    
I think we can safely say that worrying that some secret service peronell are anti democratic is not at all unfounded. >

Just spitballing here but what if some Secret Agents are so loyal to Trump they were willing to plant classified documents at Biden properties? >

There's a reason Mike Pence didn't get in the car, he knew. >

I signed up and paid to be in this group of manly men that someone accidentally said they were secret service.  
The host of the group acted how do I describe acting in a way that divulged information that should have been not said.
We also know Trump wanted to surround himself with loyalists.  And pences SS sounded a warning about J6 >

They are. >

Well, they need to be fired and new ones vetted to the extreme that Republicans would vet someone not white. >

I feel the secret service guys that are loyal to Trump only are because they get to hangout in Florida, at a nice country club, eating great food, at the costs to taxpayers. I don't think I could stomach being around Trump that long, but gotta admit, it's a sweet gig. >

Secret Service taking notes from the Praetorian Guard, I see. Didn’t go very well for the Romans… >

Worried? Na man he knows they are >

No shit, Jack >

Purge and replace. >

You would disband them then or at the very least replace them. >

I thought about that when all of these documents started turning up. >

Former Vice President Pence could have told him that. >

Maybe the secret service has members who work for Putin. >

They are - SS is now infiltrated by Fascist and would betray our democracy on a dime - in my view! >

Is there a reason he can't just replace them then? >

Clean house, Joe. >

Shameful. Biden should fire all of them and pick his own people. Trump would not hesitate for a second. >

Trump probably gave them the top secret documents to plant at his other locations. >

This is exactly what I just said and what I was thinking. Why all of a sudden are there documents that just showed up at one of his offices from 2017? >

It was my first thought when the first documents were found. And could easily be concealed by a SS agent and easily planted. We know the orange toddler  doesn't play nice. >

They are. They may not be willing to throw a coup for Trump, but they’d vote for him again. They spread rumors in his favor. >

So why tf doesnt he clean house…..? >

My only question: Why? >

Can someone explain to me why such a large group of people seems so eager to get on their hands and knees to prostrate themselves to trump? I cannot wrap my head around it >

I would've thought that spending time in his presence would have reliably disavowed SS agents of any notions that Trump was sane, let alone worthy of loyalty. >

Sounds like a valid fear to me.