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Everyone should leave Russia.
Hmmm. I feel like I’ve heard this before. >

No we don’t need anymore immigrants claiming our taxes. >

You mean growing the tax base? Working, getting taxed for said work, helping you pay for your roads and such…
Be less reactionary. >

Can your housing support said newcomers? >

If they have enough money they could pay for new builds. >

As a US citizen, we could say the same. But I'm gonna jump out on a ledge and guess that, cost of living to wage is marginally offset atm >

It’s a modern day Fiddler on the Roof. >

Wasn't that in Ukraine? >

It was in the Czarist Russian Empire which included Ukraine at the time.  It also wasn’t the only time Russia was shit to the Jewish people. My husband’s family has been leaving in stages since the 19th century up through this past year. >

Hell, one MILLION Jews left the Soviet bloc the instant it collapsed. Most of them went to israel, the rest seemed to have moved to suburban Brooklyn where they live in the ugliest houses on the planet >

Idk if I’d call anywhere in Brooklyn the suburbs but yeah, big community here. >

I live in Manhattan so anywhere you can reasonably get around by car is the suburbs. One of the Russian families had a hummer, why on earth do you need that?  Didn’t even fit in the garage. >

I’m in Brooklyn, and more than a little familiar with the communities you are talking about. I get how it could seem a bit suburban to a Manhattanite, but the real suburbs you can’t meaningfully walk to anywhere and people have proper yards. >

Yeah my grandparents are from Texas, there’s like an eight lane highway right by their house and the closest store is 1 mile away >

Everyone should leave Russia … while they can. >

Should come to Israel, god knows we need some more secular people to balance the religious mad men in charge >

Bro, it’s ISRAEL. It’s a land tied directly to religion. It’s basically in the soil. >

Sure, but it's also steeped in history, and modern Zionism resulting in the establishment of Israel was headed up by secular leaders. >

“We’re seeing rising antisemitism while Russia is going back to a new kind of Soviet Union, and step by step the iron curtain is coming down again. This is why I believe the best option for Russian Jews is to leave,” Pinchas Goldschmidt, former chief Rabbi of Moscow >

Russias transition to a full nazi state is almost complete... >

They already came for LGBT. First group to be targeted, just like the last time. No points for guessing who is next. >

Same thing is happening in the US with the trump crowd. They are right in line with Putin. >

I'm glad y'all see it; the fact that the Nazis started with LGBTQ folk before going for their "real" target isn't as well known as it ought to be.
And, in any of these cases (30's to 40's Germany, modern USA and Russia), the backdrop of rising, virulent, and violent antisemitism is another common denominator. >

I remember even when I was young people still said letting gay people marry would lead to other, actually morally objectionable changes to the law. 
But it's so weird, because the slippery slope is much steeper when it comes to making them illegal >

Be suspicious of anyone claiming that love is a crime, they likely know nothing of the subject. >

I mean pedophilia and bestiality exist, but otherwise, yeah >

Neither of those are loving things. Both are rape. >

That gets to the heart of the issue nicely:  to be love it has to go both ways and from a place of equal footing >

Yeah let’s go ahead and gtfo of Russia before things get 1930 in there >

The pogroms were in the late 1800s. Yko, like fiddler? >

And post Russo-japanese war 1906, and post WW1 1918, and during and post revolution 1919-21, and pre WW2 1930s, and the Stalin purges 1950s. Know what any time is good time to get out of Russia. >

My Jewish great grandmother was shot in the leg, in her crib, during the revolution. We’re not entirely sure when she came to america, but she was still a child. You could always sense her sadness and she would cry at photos of herself as a teen in America. The antisemitism didn’t end when she landed in Boston. My bubbe was depressed until the day she died. It’s miraculous that any Ashkenazi Jews survived. Shout out to bubbe and zeyde for surviving! >

Maybe they will not build and put them in concentration camps, but will rob them and conscript them as much as possible >

Get out of Russia. That’s true for Jews; and any sane person who doesn’t want to suffer under the Moscow Mafia anymore. >


Moscow Mafia

Hope you don’t mind me stealing that phrase >

Yeah. Russia will lose this war, and when they do they’ll blame the Jews. They say history doesnt repeat itself, but it rhymes. Russia is about to rhyme “pogrom” with “pogrom” >

What are you even talking about why would they blame the jews >

Because this isn't the first, second or third time this is happening in Russia and every time they blame the jews. >

Shit, where have I heard this before. >

He’s right! Putin is going to pivot at some point away from Ukrainians and find a new “enemy” to eradicate from the “glorious” motherland of Russia once he runs out of ways to convince his people that the war is worth the hardship and will be winnable.
Putin will start with his own people and focus on the most marginalized groups like religious and sexual minorities. Jewish people and gender queer people will definitely be targeted first. 
It’ll be a pathetic attempt to occupy and distract everyday Russians from questioning how bad the state of their country has become. 
Do you wonder why you aren’t allowed to leave the country anymore and go on a nice vacation in Turkey?
Do you miss having international brands and restaurant chains? Why did they leave en masse?
Do you think it’s odd that as of recently so many Russian factories, munitions dumps, scientific research facilities, hydro electric dams, radio communications equipment keep mysteriously exploding or catching on fire? 
Do you like having the grocery store shelves picked clean by the time you get to the store (or never stocked at all)? Remember nice things like sugar in your tea, imported cheeses, tropical produce like citrus and pomegranates? 
Are you happy that your son came home from the “special operation” in Ukraine missing half of his skull and three of his limbs, suffering from gangrene and malnutrition, only to be given a shot of vodka and have a medal pinned to his chest, as he lies in his hospital bed, hoping he just dies quickly so you get the 50,000 rubles Putin promised and he doesn’t have to live with the shame of what he did in Ukraine. 
Instead of facing the reality that Putin is to blame for ALL of this…many Russians will be more than happy to use the continued existence of Russian Jews in Russia as their new ridiculous excuse for why their country is so fucked up. 
The USSR almost had their own version of the Holocaust. Before Stalin died he was going to begin large scale organized efforts to murder Russian Jews. He had already begun purges but fortunately his plans were interrupted by his death. 
Putin seems to long for what he thinks of as the “good old days” of the USSR. It is perfectly reasonable to believe that this warped nostalgia will extend to finishing the Jewish genocide Stalin had planned. 
He’s already taken pages directly out of Hitler and Stalin’s play book. It’s like Putin is trying to copy them one to one with civilian massacres, stealing children to be “adopted” by more “suitable” Russians, starvation campaigns, banning non-government controlled media, isolationism, torture…so why wouldn’t Putin also add Jewish persecution and genocide to his demented check list? >

Russia will also pull a “stab in the back myth” >

JFC is it 1922 or 2022? LOL >

My relatives left in the 1880s and worked their way west. >

Mine too that’s exactly how they ended up in Canada >

My great grandfather arrived at the port of Montreal in the hull of a ship, tied at the wrist to his brother and sister so they wouldn't get separated. Their parents saw the anti Semitism rising and sent the kids away for a chance at a life.  His brother didn't survive the trip. 
Canada is the land of freedom and opportunity for my family. 
A few generations later, my SOs family came to Canada to escape the shah. 
Ours is the story of Canada, along with our first nations brothers and sisters. >

I feel like that has been pretty solid advice for most of Russian history. >

I thought that the nazis were in Ukraine ?! >

Understand this: for people inside the russia the ONLY meaning of the word "nazi" is "those who oppose russian interests". 
Once you apply that conversion in your head, all the talk of "denazification" and "jewish nazis" will start making sense. People in Kremlin and on the street both legitimately believe that opposing actions of the russia makes you a nazi. >

They don't believe it, they just make such claims because it's convenient to them. In other words they consciously lying. Including "people on streets". >

No doubt some do, especially among the educated and the powerful elite. But long before the current invasion I talked to many russians about the rising fascism and noted how they honestly could not define it  (or nazism for that matter) as anything other than "those who attacked and killed the russians".
It is part strong imperialist propaganda and part just basic lack of good education, but the results are evident if you are bold enough to start a political talk. This is more than just deliberate lying (which would be easy to understand) but rather a whole different worldview. You cannot reason with it using facts any more than you can reason with cospiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers or religious fundamentalists. >

I don't think you understand how russians talk - they are not sincere. Yes it's different worldview, yes you cannot reason with it with facts - it's all because they lying, they intentionally doing it, that's their mentality.
If they were just not educated or believed lies  of propoganda then facts and reasoning would still be able to affect them. But no, they are set on to defend and spread those lies and propaganda themselves, if  you point to them on something that they never were aware off,and no one taught them lies about that subject - they will came up with their own lies and denies on the spot. Or use whataboutism, or try to change the topic. But if you get "rude" enough to keep arguing with them without letting them to cover their lies - they Quickly become violent. 
Flat earthers are more reasonable than such russians. >

I see that you are from Ukraine and I sympathize with your anger. I am not all at all trying to apologize for them!
What I'm trying to say is that simple explanations such as "they are all lying" are rarely correct. The truth is multi-layered and complex - people who hold a fringle worldview often accept it as part of their identity and any facts that contradict it are seen as a direct assault on their very being. 
Whether it's creationists being shown dinosaur fossils, anti-vaxxers when offered a COVID shot or racits who hear "Black Lives Matter", they will scream in anger and fight you against those ideas because accepting them would threated their whole sense of self. A polygraph test, a brain scan or any other evaluation will show that they truly believe what they are saying, with no hint of lying.
The russians seeing Ukraine as a "nazi state" fall squarely into the same category. Again, I am in no way excusing their actions! What I mean is that shattering that mentality would be insanely difficult with very small success rate. If only it was easy as "getting people to stop lying"... >

I'm not talking with anger,and certainly being fine with what you saying,and thank you for your sympathy. But things not needed to be obfuscated and overcomplicated. They telling lies, they doing it by their own will. This is simple.
Why they doing it, what made them to be like this, what their motives  could be - are complicated variations for everyone of them and could differ in every specific situation.
Though I didn't say anything about how to change their mind or shattering such mentality. That's honestly is waste of lifetime. We have relatives like this, and they are cause of most devastating holes in our souls and cost us huge chunks of our lives.
And yeah, make them stop lying is "simple". Easiest example to point at is interviews of russian POW - suddenly you could think that polygraph tests and brain scans would show that many of them sincerely repent, and that they don't believe any of those lies and propaganda. (Though polygraphs and brain scans doesn't even work like that,and can be tricked, and all they do is monitor and display some cognitive reactions which then needs to be interpreted.) >

Given Russia's history, after 2022's insanity, I'd question the sanity of any Jewish person moving back to Russia in future. 
Historically speaking, they seem to turn on Jews. >

True, but then again, all countries eventually turn on Jews.  It's been happening for 3000 years. >

Yep pretty clear after WW2 that thru needed their own country, however costly >

Russia is going to be a fucking mess as it loses youth and intellectuals and most oil income to reparations.  Can't believe citizens there put up with this shit. It's clear as day what's going to happen to you.  Your nut job president may try a tactical nuke and accelerate the fury which should split up Russia.  Good luck to any moderate Russians left behind. >

When all the young people and intellectuals leave them the ones left are the fanatics or complacent who won't try to overthrow the government. The Russian government has even openly said that the people fleeing Russia is good for them. >

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Moscow's exiled chief rabbi says Jews should leave Russia while they still can, before they are made scapegoats for the hardship caused by the war in Ukraine.
"We're seeing rising antisemitism while Russia is going back to a new kind of Soviet Union, and step by step the iron curtain is coming down again. This is why I believe the best option for Russian Jews is to leave," he added.
Goldschmidt also noted that while Russia's Jews faced an uncertain future, antisemitism was on the rise in what had long been seen as a Jewish sanctuary, the US. In 2018, a gunman killed 11 worshippers in a Pittsburgh synagogue.


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Thankfully, my mom's Jewish ancestors got out over a hundred years ago to escape Russian persecution. Some things sadly don't change. >

Yup, my great grandparents fled the Russian Empire in the early 20th Century. >

Same here.  Early 20th, they fled. >

My Zeyde (grandfather) came to America in 1909 from a shetl outside of Minsk, BelaRus, which was part of Russia, along with one of his brothers and two of his sisters. They left because his father had become a diabetic and had had to close his business and because the anti-Semitism was terrible. He told my father about how pogroms would be led by a priest carrying a large cross (no doubt this contributed to his atheism). 
His older sister was already married when he left and her husband said, “How could America be better?” My zeyde and eight of his nine siblings came to America and prospered. His older sister, her husband and their five daughters? Hitler. >

Putin really hating Zelensky, a Jew, plays into Russia's calculus of looking for bogeymen to blame for domestic failures. >

More like a rust curtain than an Iron curtain this time >

Everyone should leave Russia while they can, and even if they can’t. >

Good advice. Russia has always been bigoted against the Jews and these are dangerous times. >

The Soviet Union was vehemently antisemitic. Never forget it - and Putin is no different. >

ironic considering the importance of Jews in the early days of the Russian communist movement >

They always find scapegoats for their weakness and failings. First it was the Jews “because they were in charge”, then Stalin and Lenin “not actually Russian, so it’s not the Russians fault”, next thing you know, they’ll find some Ukrainian relation in Putin’s heritage and it’ll be a Ukrainian conspiracy to destroy Russia though internal sabotage all along. >

I mean they already blame Khrushchev for Crimea. >

How many Jews are left in Russia anyway? >

About 150,000 >

Its worth noting, that Israel is overwhelmed with new repatriants right now (which affects its real estate market and social support system), not to mention ultra right Bibi and Co getting back to power. Its better than russia, but.. study diligently the details.
This advice was given to me, by my relatives who moved from USSR to Israel over 30 years ago. >

And yet Israel is still democratic and free, for both Arabs and Jews. >

If you call watching you house demolished and more Palestinian land taken for settlements free yes Palestinians have a great life >

Good thing the Palestinians are not led by fanatic bloodthirsty islamist organisation called Hamas and absolutely corrupt organisation called Fatah. BTW did you know Mahmud Abbas has build himself a new grand presidential palace with three heliports? Even big hospitals in our country have mostly 1, max. 2 heliports. >


BTW did you know Mahmud Abbas has build himself a new grand presidential palace with three heliports?

ah ok, its fine to take peoples houses and land then. >

Where are Jews from? >

The fact that Jews lived there 2000 years ago gives them the right to show up a millennia later and kick people out? I'm not sure what your point is, I see this fallacy so often by no-holds-barred zionist Americans lol.
Also its kinda funny that instead of responding to my post pointing out that guys fallacy. you just post another one. >

Jews have always lived in Israel >

Yes there have lived a small minority there the whole time, but that is obviously not what i'm talking about here.
Why are you unable to debate factually and honestly? Its all rhetorical sleight of hand bullshit. Incredible. >

You convinced me. I’m sure the Arab countries will welcome the Mizrahim and Sephardim back with open arms >

My family already did this once in the 1910s. >

Absofuckinglutely Jews will be the next distraction/punching bag. >

It's starting to feel like a pattern 🤔 >

I feel like leaving russia while you can is just generally great advice as well >

Putin is going to need a scapegoat to explain him losing the war...
any guesses who he's going to use?? >

Ya, no kidding >

People forget they tried to slaughter all the Jews in Russia the papers of the early 20th or late 19th century us where we first got the term 6,000,000 Jews killed. It was referring to the Russian Pogrom of the Jews. Read about it very dark to say the least >

When the rabbi tells you to get out, get out. Love, a Hungarian. >

Pretty much every one of us alive is alive because when it started to be said “okay, time to go!” our ancestors are the ones who moved decisively and moved fast. Someone listening to those instincts is why we were born at all. My family taught me, learn at least one or two other languages enough to get by, make friends in many places, pick a career you could take anywhere and be needed, keep a bag with everything you’d be tempted to stay and pack close at hand, keep your car fuelled. I’ve taught my kids the same. I hope the people in Russia kept the same instincts and knowledge. >

Vladolf Putler was a meme...now its finally happened. 
The meme came alive... how fucked are we? >

They’ve seen this movie before >

It's solid advice. Things are falling apart in Russia and finding a minority group to  blame for all of societies problems (and then violently persecute) is Fascism 101 >

A propaganda lesson finishing up in Soviet Union.
Instructor: "Any questions?"
Man from audience: "Will there be a war with China?"
Instructor: "The party says yes, there will be"
Man from audience: "How will we do against China?"
Instructor: "On the one hand, China has a billion people, but Soviet Union only 250 million. On the other hand, Israel only has 3 million Jews, but wins against its neighbors. Any other question?"
Man from audience: "Do we have enough Jews?" >

Isnt it ironic that Russia is trying to de nazify Ukraine with a jewish leader,while Russia is playing by same playbook as Hitler. >


Isnt it ironic that Russia is trying to de nazify Ukraine with a jewish leader,while Russia is playing by same playbook as Hitler.

Just as ironic as them painting NATO, the purely defensive organisation, as aggressive. Just as ironic as them claiming the world is Russophobic, while claiming that Ukrainian culture does not exist and is a mistake. Just as ironic as them accusing everyone of inflaming the war by sending defensive weapons, while they make threats about nukes every two sentences. >

Their paranoid we want to invade their country, nobody gives a fuck about Russia. >

Hey I’ve seen this one >

But where will they go? >

In the short term probably Georgia and Turkey with longer term resettlement in the US, Canada, EU or Israel. >


Russia claims to invade Ukraine to "de-nazify the country"



Russia having increasing rates of antisemitism 


Hmmmmm this seems kinda ironic. >

I say everyone should leave Russia while they can! >

But they're fighting the nazis. /s >

As the granddaughter of Russian Jews who fled the Bolsheviks, I’d like to say…
How are there still Jews IN Russia??! >

Everyone should leave Russia while they still can. >

It's like the Russians are going for some kind of Evil high score. >

Putin is the real Nazi. >

Invades Ukraine because of Nazis
I KNEW WE’D LOSE BC OF THE JEWS
…………….. wut ? >

Technically they did loose because of a Jew. >

Honestly, Im Jewish and I also live in Russia, Saint Petersburg. I don't see any antisemitism right now. I ofc will leave pretty soon, but it's not because of antisemitism. The culture in Russia is pretty different, and most people don't really give a shit if you Jewish or not. Of course, there are some antisemitic people, but I never encounter someone who had a problem with me being Jewish in my life. If you have any questions, I'm always happy to answer. >

so what is your reason for leaving >

The thing is, if you are a male in Russia,when you turn 18, you have to serve one mandatory year in the army(  not the actual army, nobody will send you to fight). Or, you can just go study in a university(college) and get a higher education. Then you don't have to serve. But I'm not planning to get an education in russia because it's not very useful (because of the war) outside of Russia and countries that are friendly with Russia.
So yeah, I'll probably will get an education somewhere else(i have a citizenship of another country) >

didn’t know that thanks. i wish you well on your move >

Thanks! I'm always happy to answer questions. >

What was the breaking point which made you decide you’re not staying there ? Where are you planning to go ? Wishing you best of luck brother! >

How are things in the Jewish Autonomous Oblast? Could all the Russian Jews move there? I'm being sarcastic, it would be great if people could just live where they are. The "Move the Jews" step is followed by "Keep the Jews where they are" step, which is followed by the two final steps. It's a common pattern. >

Ironically, there are almost no Jews in the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. For some reason we just didn’t take to it… >

Take the leave now or you may end up like the poor Jewish individuals in Nazi Germany. >

You know things are getting real when this starts happening. >

20% of Israeli‘s speak Russian, they’ve been fleeing Eastern Europe for a century now.  Denazification?!? The call is coming from inside the house Vlad. >

This is kinda old news as he left Russia in March already. And at that time urged jews to leave to avoid forced conscription. Remember seeing it on youtube in disbelief, but he was correct. >

Sad thing is, many probably can’t afford to leave or they’ll already be gone.  But it’d be so complicated for a family with kids and elderly parents to leave. Gives me anxiety just thinking about it. >

Any time is a good time to get out of Russia. >

Fuck >

I’m surprised any Jews would still want to live there after the last century… >

Don't just talk about it..Do it before you can't.. >

They've already gone anti LGBT and demonizing a foreign adversary.  Shit is still getting worse so they're going to keep looking for scapegoats. >

Jews have been leaving for decades. I can firmly attest to the fact. Russia is a void. >

Pretty much want to quote the topic. Shalom. >

Given the history, I’m surprised that there are any Jews left in Russia. >

Putins war has taken a big chunk out of the male age 18 to 35 demographic. 
It's pretty typical to see a new wave of nationalism in response. Europe's go-to whipping boy has always been the Jews. >

The new Prime Minister Netanyahu? >

Bur aren't the Nazis in Ukraine? /s