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Not for long.  They are going to take that one away from them now.
Tragic story with an extra dose of crazy compared to the usual doesn't believe in medicine:

When investigators asked why she did not take the baby to a medical facility, she said that she and her husband do not believe in modern medicine and live an unconventional life where they do not acknowledge time frames or the days of the week, the complaint says. >

Don't forget this is the second baby they have let die.  There was another one that they buried in the backyard of their old house. >

Wait what?!? >

So they've killed 66% of their children. Not cool. >

These people should not be raising children.  If they’re not willing to be the best advocate for these kids and do everything they can, I’m sorry but they should not be parents.  This is basically murder due to intentional negligence. >

I'm sure they also don't believe in abortion or birth control >

They've already said they don't believe in medicine. >

"Amy Hoenigke tried to use peppermint and "steam teas" to treat her son and used a plastic straw to try and clear his nasal passage."
She did that to her own newborn. >

neither alone are completely absurd ideas (nasal suction and warm humid air), but context and detail matter enormously.  This isn't just a baby with a bit of a cold, it's a neonate in respiratory distress and they didn't do anything normal about the obvious signs of medical distress, nor about the child's demise as the infant was found to have been deceased for a few days and they were planning to bury the body without notifying anyone, but couldn't because the ground is frozen. >

Fuck’s sake, that’s grim. >

And while 2 yrs between is a pretty normal spacing assuming she probably exclusively nursed and did babyled weaning, I would be seriously considering the possibility of that already having happened previously, and doing a very thorough search of the property >

What's the connection between nursing and baby-led weaning and her potentially having killed/allowed other babies to die? >

None directly.
Those things, which I would expect were family practice here, tend to create about a 2 yr gap in child ages, and they have a 2 yr old.  I'm saying that older child suggests the right gap that this might be the next subsequent pregnancy and birth, without others between.
However, given that they seemed to have no hesitation about burying this dead infant, I would be very concerned that there might be others, perhaps earlier than the 2 yr old. >

Often when young women in the US want to get an abortion, they have to prove they’re ‘mature enough’ to make that decision. But no one ever has to prove they’re capable of being a good parent. >


they have to prove they’re ‘mature enough’ to make that decision

Which is totally insane because they are basically saying that if you're not mature enough to make the decision about having an abortion, you're somehow automatically considered mature enough to bring up a child. >

People are under the guise that the antichoice movement actually cares what happens to these women and children. Once that fetus is a living breathing tax needing human they are on their own. >

Until it becomes old enough to be used as either cannon fodder for the military industrial complex or slave labour for the profit driven prison system >

Those attitudes are changing among conservatives though I've noticed. They're pushing more against serving in the military because they don't want to help the "biden regime". Seen many slogans like "join the local militia, not the regime".
In the past they used to be very big on the military due to patriotism and nationalism. >

And when another republican president is elected, they sign on the dotted line? No way. These idiots put ideology above everything else. There is no patriotism in them, patriotism requires sacrifice and service to fellow countrymen regardless of skin color, gender identity, or creed- their motto is fuck that guy, he is taking what I think I’m entitled to. >

struggling for each and every breath, what an agonizing death >

Absolutely heartbreaking. >


State police responded to the Sullivan County home on Jan. 20, after Amy Hoenigke called 911 to report that she found her son dead in his bassinet, a criminal complaint states. Responding troopers found the newborn already had signs of decomposition and determined that he had died about three days before the 911 call was made.
Police also found an "infuser and a container with remnants of burned herbs" next to the bassinet, the complaint says.
Amy Hoenigke told investigators that her son started showing signs that he was struggling to breathe and was "turning blue" shortly after his birth, according to the complaint. 
Attorney General Josh Shapiro said "in a failed attempt to aid the child, Amy Hoenigke and Meckes utilized a peppermint oil infuser and attempted to create a makeshift breathing tube from a water bottle."
"Without proper medical care, the baby died approximately two days after birth," he said.   

I have no words.  Well, I do have words, but I have no words that wouldn't immediately violate the reddit TOS. >

Yep definitely avoiding choice words was a challenge here . >

It's scary because there are definitely these sorts that are being promoted to parents on Facebook, tiktok and blogs. 
I know from being a skeptic that science skepticism waxes and wanes but seems worse this time probably thanks to covid >

Yep. People are extra stupid these days. This last decade has felt like a complete paradigm shift into absolute absurdity. >

Article says the “mother” texted a friend and they were able to call police. How can you not believe in modern medicine yet you believe in modern technology? Don’t believe in modern medicine? Then how about fucking off all the way back to 1582, no technology or electricity or automobiles for you. Really live your commitment to ignorance. >

I was gonna say something like this...this is the type of shit people did hundreds of years ago, with no modern technology or medicine and when babies and children died much more frequently of illnesses and injuries, etc. How dare this woman text on her phone and yet let her baby slowly die instead of taking it to the hospital, and put aside her opinion on modern medicine for her baby! 
It's insane that parenting courses aren't mandatory. When I had both my children, the hospital just let us take the babies home when I was done recovering. I was seriously astounded that there was an unspoken assumption that anyone who had a baby, would be a good parent and actually take care of the baby properly once home! No one asked questions, interviewed the parents, ANYTHING to see if they were of sound mind to raise a child. I obviously knew I'd be a good parent and love and take care of my children, but so many babies are born into shitty families and never make it past a few months old because of horrible parenting..just heartbreaking 🥺 >

It was such a strange feeling. Like I’m officially responsible for this newborn?! I can just go home?! >

That was exactly my response and they were like "YEP 😒" felt so weird...like literally anyone, ANYONE could just give birth and walk off with a baby. No questions about home life or anything... >

Which is terrifying because post-partum and sleep deprivation push seemingly healthy, responsible, and normal people to the edge... even as a dad, with my wife having a rough recovery, and taking care of two people and getting almost no sleep for the first couple of months, there were moments I was scared of myself... and I already had life experiences, well educated, and have my head on right.
I can't imagine what a young, single-mother with no support system (coming from a bad home) has to go through. I don't see how most people can even make it.
Then I see the condition of some kids when I'm running errands, and I realize they aren't making it, and it breaks my heart. >

Dunno if it's the same crazy, or just similar. There is/was a cult in Oregon city, Oregon that doesn't believe in science, just god. My partner grew up around some them. Many of their children also needlessly died. >

That's one of them all right. >

Wild pregnancy/freebirthers are dumb as hell. No prenatal care, no medical intervention, no monitoring, just dead babies and mothers like nature intended. >

Next you are gonna tell me leeches and bloodletting don’t work? But it’s organic and all natural! >

Ironically, leeches and bloodletting DO
work and BOTH are used today. >

So no medical help. Used a water bottle to try and open up the air way. Seems like an amateur attempt to improvise a medical device to aid breathing. It's ok to provide assistance as long as you're uneducated. >

Arrested development >

Looks like authorities might want to procure a ground penetrating radar. If the reason they didn’t bury the poor baby was that the ground was frozen, how many did they bury previously? >

They don't believe in modern medicine, birth certificates, time and days of the week, but they called the police???
For the 2 year old I am glad, but I don't understand why... unless one parent is the crazy, and the other one is just going along with it up till the baby died. >

Yeah I’m wondering how or if they have jobs. Boss: Need you to cover a shift Tuesday. These idiots: sorry but we don’t believe in anything called Tuesday. >

Or 9am. >

I will never understand why people do not trust experts. I bet this couple trusts mechanics to work on their vehicles, but for some reason they can't trust doctors. >

Their friend who did some nursing school but couldn't get licensed was good enough, apparently.
This sounds less like it's about personal beliefs against medicine and more about not wanting any government record of their kids existing so that their neglect would hopefully escape notice. >

They also have a 2 year old, of course with no birth certificate .