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Hey Türkiye, how's your inflation going?
Erdogan is so desperate to win 2023 elections, he’s such a political whore about it too. >

Doesn't he win anyways because he got his opposition arrested? >

He's not arrested and won't be jailed and the result is still not certain. He was only one of the three possible candidates so arresting him won't win the election. >

Ahh okay. I probably remembered something wrong, thanks for the clarification :) >

Can we just fast forward to the part where Erdogan has passed on already? Jesus Christ…what a shit-stirrer! >

Sorry to say, this issue is not an erdogan issue. It’s a Turkey vs Greece issue that has dragged on for almost 100 years. >

This is most definitely a Turk nationalist trend issue. You cannot argue that Turkey has NOT been trending more and more nationalist in the past 10-20 years since Erdogan has cemented his grip on the country. >

I mean Greece and Turkey never really got on, but he has definitely made it worse by far. But I don’t think he wants to start a war with NATO, who would likely come in overthrow him quickly, recognize the Kurdish people that would instantly ally with the Iraqi Kurds to push for international recognition. This would cause a huge shit show with Iran and Syria as they have large Kurdish populations. In the mean time Greece gets to live peacefully while Turkey, Iraq, and Iran go to complete shit. >

They already have fought over cyprus in 1974, while both were members of NATO. 
Wikipedia article >

Turkish invasion of Cyprus 

The Turkish invasion of Cyprus began on 20 July 1974 and progressed in two phases over the following month. Taking place upon a background of intercommunal violence between Greek and Turkish Cypriots, and in response to a Greek junta-sponsored Cypriot coup d'état five days earlier, it led to the Turkish capture and occupation of the northern part of the island. The coup was ordered by the military junta in Greece and staged by the Cypriot National Guard in conjunction with EOKA B. It deposed the Cypriot president Archbishop Makarios III and installed Nikos Sampson.

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Does Erdogan understand that if he attacks another NATO country, NATO is not going to side with him? >

I think the issue here is that he believes the rest of NATO will turn a blind eye to him attacking Greece over the Mediterranean dispute in exchange for not opening Turkey's airspace or the Turkish Straits to Russia. >

I think he would find himself deposed and in NATO custody, and his successor would be a more reliable partner. >

But the West isn’t a colonizer anymore right? >

Are you under the impression that Turks are from turkey? They are invaders from the steppes of asia. THEY are the colonizers, the rapers, pillagers and the stealers of land and the Turks have genocide as a cultural staple. STFU >

Are you under the impression that the Hungarians and Germanic countries aren't originally Asian?
Give everything back to the Roman empire or gtfo. >

The germanics are not "asian".  And the hungarians are not "originally" asian but were infused with asian through the eastern invasions.
the romans and the greeks are teh same, in fact you will find many greeks today will call themselves Romoi.  Helene or Romoi, it is the same.  But not turk. >

The Romans and the Greek are not the same, no. The people of the eastern empire were Greek speakers who identified as Romans. The Greeks of today transformed that identity into a Hellenic one during and after the war of independence, but the Romans of the East thought of the Greeks as a long dead people.
Yes, you have some remnants in the language, like Ρωμιοί. But the myth of an eternal Greek people is something western Europe and the modern Greek state came up with. No one in Thessaloniki in the year 1000 would've identified as Greek, and would've corrected you if you called him that. >

interesting that the romans of the east thought of the greeks as a long dead people because "greeks" were what the romans called hellenic people. hellenic people did not identify as "greek".  Roman aristocrats spoke ancient greek instead of latin.  And when the roman's took control of greece they did so against the macedonians with the help of other greek city states.  The Romans did not come in and genocide like the turk as greece was culturally the center of the latin and hellenic shared world, which is the point and why using romans as an example is terrible. >

Yeah, I know, the Graikos. The Romans thought of them as the Babylonians or Assyrians, long dead civilizations.
I speak English. I'm not English.
The Romans respected the Greeks, spoke Greek, and some lived in Greece. But between the post Hadrian era and shortly before the war of independence, there were no Greeks in Greece. There were Romans, who identified as Roman, spoke Romaic (Koine Greek), thought of Aeneas and Romulus as their ancestors, had a centralised Roman state, and followed the Roman religion of Christianity. These people were the descendants of the ancient Greeks and the ancestors of the modern Greeks, but they did not identify as Greek (ie. Hellenes).
Before and during the war of independence, the revived Hellenic identity defeated the older Roman one, but they absolutely did not mean the same thing. Hellenes were seen as brave freedom fighters, and Romans were seen as meek Ottoman slaves. This was the ethnogenesis of the modern Greek people, but again, no one was identifying as Greek for the vast majority of the existence of the medieval Roman empire. >

This is more like a status update, every state is like "Oh crap, I forgot to update my foes on the situation..!" >

Oh, it's Saturday! >


Both countries will hold national elections by next summer. >

Erdogan threatening Greece is such an empty threat, I'm shocked anyone in Turkey takes it seriously. At least when he threatens the Kurds you know he's capable of carrying it out. >

Yes, attacking the Kurds in Syria is much more likely than a war with Greece/NATO >

Especially when he's literally right now already attacking the Kurds in Syria and assaulting their cities. >

Turkey wants to rule the nat gas flow in Europe. Russia wants to make Turkey a hub for Russian nat gas and Greece has the potential to totally cut Russia out of europes future with their own gas flow. Turkey has and always will place both sides of the fence >

when you think you are out smarting the good the bad and the inoccent people but ultimately you have become the evil that you accused the others; dictators often honestly don't agree they are one, some lie, some don't... it's like a grade school bully mentality >

Since Erdogan has already staged a fake coup, maybe he’s going to do the “create an existential threat to distract” from the fact that he and his party appear to be trailing badly in the upcoming election. >

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ATHENS - Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavu?o?lu on Thursday threatened Greece with retaliation if Athens proceeded with any expansion of its territorial waters in the Aegean, saying that it would still be seen as a casus belli justifying military action.
"Our position is clear, no 12 miles, we will not allow for territorial waters to be expanded by even a mile in the Aegean," Çavu?o?lu said during an end-of-year press briefing in Ankara, commenting on reports that Athens plans to extend territorial waters around the island of Crete.
Back in October, Greek foreign ministry officials told POLITICO that the technical work needed to extend territorial waters to 12 nautical miles south and east of Crete could be ready within weeks.


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