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Wow they're behind on the times. Done had my fun almost dying in the back of multiple friends car and watching homies have seizures. I still have a collection of the empty bags somewhere. Shit was addictive as hell.
K2 used to be in every gas station in the us and it's absolutely awful >

Right! Shit was insane. And then kratom came and replaced it. That shits awful for you too. >


And then kratom came and replaced it. That shits awful for you too.

What?? I've heard miracle stories of how it has successfully helped people get off opiates, and haven't heard much of anything regarding its harms. >

I use to be hooked on kratom. I took a lot so when I stopped, the come down lasted a week. That should tell you what kratom really is. >

Were you addicted to anything before?
I only ever heard horror stories from people who had an opiate problem and replaced their addiction with kratom then blamed kratom for the shitty comedown 
When I stopped taking it I felt nothing
(Not an endorsement for kratom usage I'm not a doctor) >

To be clear, I was taking 40 plus pill a day. >

Yikes. I’m glad you were able to get clean. >

I mean it’s not exactly like H or anything like that, but it’s still substance abuse and a crutch. I was spending 30 dollars every few days on it, so once you can’t afford it, you just kind of quit. I don’t feel that it’s an addiction, but when I’m on it I feel like I need it. >

Just seeing the name K2 brings back strange and uncomfortable times in 2011. Heart beating so hard, chest feeling so heavy I felt I was making the conscious decision to breathe, or I wouldn’t. I almost ate bark bc in the dark it reminded me of chocolate. If reefer madness was made for spice instead of marijuana, I’d be a lot more accurate lbs
Edited for spelling >

Yeah 2010-2012 was a crazy time. I remember watching my friend have a seizure from K2 and not knowing wtf was going on. We were just dumb high schoolers that smoked weed and he wanted to not fail a drug test so he smoked K2. That seemed to be the main reason people did it. 
I only did it once mixed with weed and didn’t have a bad time but heard so many horror stories. >

wouldn't exist if cannabis hadn't been prohibited worldwide for so long >

The article actually includes a story where the individual smoked cannabis when he couldn't get his hands on kush. That is, he preferred kush. Maybe he's unique in that way.
You're 100% right about how k2 popped up in the US. Maybe none of these compounds would have entered the public consciousness if marijuana was never illegal. >

Jwh-18 
Research chemicals made in some Chinese lab. >

The original JWH's were "relatively" safe, mild and weed like.
It's when they banned them, scientists had to get more creative, those got banned, scientists had to get even crazier, and boom, we end up with whatever the fuck they're calling syncans these days. It's more like crack/meth/H.
But the OG JWH's were "good". As in got you stoned and not looking like a cracked out zombie >

For anyone wondering, "kush" is apparently the name for one or more synthetic cannabinoids that are being produced locally in western Africa. It's interesting to me that some people in the story prefer kush to actual cannabis.
There's a huge class of these drugs with wildly different effects profiles. >

There's people in europe who buy cbd weed laced with shit like K2 or jwh-018 and prefer it to actual d9thc because it's way stronger. There is also people who pretend it's normal weed but very strong and try to make money that way. Then when you get hooked and develop a physical addiction to that shit is when shit hits the fan and conservative politicians start their circlejerk and scream 'weed bad'. 
Sorry this triggered me.
To me it's not surprising at all when k2 is probably also cheaper than actual cannabis. >


cheaper than actual cannabis

if it is, the solution is LEGALIZING CANNABIS.  A buddy told me he can get an ounce for 60 bucks CDN (45 USD).  I'm sure it's not the best strain but it'd still be better than this artificial garbage. 
Cannabis doesn't kill you.  How other countries can justify keeping it illegal is entirely fucking beyond me. >

Conservatives in germany argue a few points that do not make any sense at all if you paid attention to the science around cannabis for the last 20+ years.
For example they argue it's gateway drug, even though recent research indicates cannabis users usually stop doing other drugs and stick to weed after they started.
They do not want drug tourism even though the oktoberfest exists and is extremely important to them.
They imagine young adults and teenagers will have easier access to cannabis because their peers will buy it for them in stores. Right now they can just order it off the dark web, seek out a dealer that doesn't care about age etc.
They argue healthcare costs will rise like crazy because cannabis got too stronk and causes psychosis etc., but currently hospitalizations from research chemicals like lab created artificial cannabinoids get treated like problems arisen from the consumption of phytocannabinoids. So the numbers are already skewed, but they do not want to change anything about it. They also ignore that cannabis tends to accumulate heavy metals from the soil it is grown in in the buds. This causes heavy metal intoxications and a plethora of other problems along the way. But nobody in europe even tests for heavy metals in cannabis. I cannot argue with precise numbers because I would be in prison if I somehow got those numbers.
Another incredibly stupid point is it would make police work harder since they will have a hard time differentiating legal cannabis from black market cannabis when they find it. As if the police would check my beer if I put some illegaly produced alcohol in there. Gigafacepalm.
Somehow these childish talking points are more important to them than the health of cannabis users in germany.
Sometimes I just want to shit in a bag and send it to the fucking hypocrite Klaus Holetschek. Send him an email please. >

I'll ask Justin to give him a dime bag during the next G7 summit. >

Thank you! >

Not just Africa, here in NZ we had a bad time of it around 2010. Government would ban certain chemicals so the products kept on changing their recipes. It lead to some really fucked up products that people got addicted to. >

Ah, like what led to the Plant Food craze of 2009 in the UK. >

A heathen, from Eton. With a bag of Michael Keaton >

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)


"I smoked kush with one of my friends. We were taken to the hospital unconscious," former kush addict Alpha Barry told DW. "My friend was chewing his tongue until he died while we were at the hospital. So I'm warning the Guinean youth to avoid kush," he added.
Many Guineans blame Sierra Leonean drug traffickers for smuggling kush into the country.
"The drug kush is a locally manufactured drug. What the Guinean authorities are failing to understand is that it can be manufactured in Sierra Leone, and it can be manufactured in Guinea too," Joseph Kargbo, a senior member of the Sierra Leonean community in Guinea, told DW. He urged Guinean authorities not to put all the blame on Sierra Leone but rather engage with parents and all stakeholders to sensitize the youth about the dangers posed by consuming kush.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: kush^#1 Sierra^#2 drug^#3 Leone^#4 Guinean^#5 >

It’s Potpourri not weed >

it's Bed Bath and Way Fucking Beyond >

I work in a smoke shop & they carried that crap like a decade ago. Shit was poison, I'm so glad they made it illegal here. Back then, in the town over, an off duty cop smoked some at a gas station, freaked out & drove off with the pump still plugged into his car, almost causing a disaster. His kid was in the back seat. >

Poor kid! >

Several people.
So less than coconuts >

This article is written like a 1950s reefer madness script:
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"I'm addicted to a bad system but don't frequently consume it," one male kush addict in Sierra Leone's capital, Freetown, told DW. "Instead, after a whole day, when I return home, I consume it to rest and sleep." 
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Such addiction, much sadness >

K2/Spice/JWH-018/Synthetic Cannabinoids are bad news. They're some of the most horrific highs I've ever experienced. >

Right, but asking the police to "solve" this problem is like asking the oil companies to solve global warming. You understand this, right? >

You misunderstand my position. I think we should decriminalize all drugs. >

What your saying, is that this is like dumping craft beer in with a shot of tequila, some coke, and half a box of decongestants.
It might be fun, or…… >

It's rough. >

It’s so strange. Spice was THE hot thing when me and my friends returned from Afghanistan in 2009. It had literally just been invented, K2 was one of the first, but there’s literally hundreds of versions, all with varying levels of strength/effects. We smoked it daily, all the time because we couldn’t pop on a piss test for it. The weird thing is, we never had any of these reactions to it. No seizures, no weird hallucinations, no deaths. And we smoked this stuff for almost two years until we got out. It’s always funny to me how much K2 is referenced when it was really just one of the many brands, though it was the first and we used to make jokes about going to “see Kevin” after formation. 
That being said, most of us only ever used it as a substitute for weed since we couldn’t smoke legally. Once we were out it was right back to weed without a second thought. 
I remember back then though that once a brand was deemed illegal, they’d just switch the chemical up a bit or rename it and it’d be right back at the smoke shop. That happened almost weekly in 2010. I can’t imagine how far gone the chemical is now almost 13 years later. And I honestly can’t believe Spice is still a thing. >

Just an addition: I kept a giant gallon zip lock bag of all the empty bags of spice we smoked as a reminder of how dumb it was of us, because at the end of the day we knew it wasn’t really safe. I still have it and share a picture of it regularly to my old friends and we’re always saying how fucking lucky we were. >

I know kush as a marijuana strain that originated from the Hindu kush mountain as a landrace strain, not a synthetic drug >

Addicition is a respone to living in a shitty society.  The REAL tragedy is people who live in shitty societies keep producing human slaves to be tortured and farmed by The Machine of their shitty society.
Humans breed out of ignorance and selfishness.  Hopefully the children will be wiser and more compassionate than their parents were. >


the synthetic drug known as kush (also known as "spice") is not to be mistaken with the synonymous marijuana strain.
chemicals are usually sprayed onto some kind of plant material, which gives them a more natural appearance and enables the consumption of the substance through smoking.
Dangerous to  consume because its origins and chemical amounts are unknown. >

Since when is K2 called lush? That’s always been a marijuana strain, I thought >

The spice must flow