>

Ooo, so edgy
This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.
Remember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not "thoughts had in the shower!"
(For an explanation of what a "showerthought" is, please read this page.)
Rule-breaking posts may result in bans. >

Imagine you're just born and days later you're fucking your clone. Next thing you know God curses you and your offspring for a thousand generations because you ate the wrong fruit. >

The fruit thing feels like a setup anyway. It's like you left out a bowl of candy for a kid and told him to never eat one certain kind in the bowl. >

That is explicitly how theology proposes this works.
The crime wasn’t in the action (eating fruit) but in disobeying god.
The issue with this is.... the fruit they ate was that of knowledge of good and evil.
How the hell were Adam and Eve supposed to know that disobeying god was wrong if they don’t have a concept of right or wrong prior to eating the fruit? 
Rhetorical question. Of fucking course, they couldn’t. So they and their offspring would suffer for committing a crime they didn’t possess the capacity to knowingly commit until the moment they’d committed said crime. 
God is a scumbag. >

I thought they got kicked out because they broke obedience to God. Obeying an order doesn't require you to consider if said order is good or evil. >

The issue is they couldn’t have known that disobedience was wrong in the first place.
God said don’t do it, satan said they should. How should they know who to listen to?
Answer is they can’t. Because they literally don’t understand right from wrong until after eating the fruit.
This is the equivalent of punishing a baby who’s drawn on the walls with crayon after telling them they can’t by chucking them out of the house. >

There is no God and no one was actually kicked out of a mythical garden, I believe the point of this parable was to obey the word of God (that we made up) without question or thought.
Saying God is a scumbag for kicking them out is missing the point of the tale. Blind obedience is considered a virtue. Listening to others and then making your own moral judgments (right or wrong) contrary to the word of God is a sin. >


There is no God and no one was actually kicked out of a mythical garden, I believe the point of this parable was to obey the word of God (that we made up) without question or thought.
Saying God is a scumbag for kicking them out is missing the point of the tale. Blind obedience is considered a virtue. Listening to others and then making your own moral judgments (right or wrong) contrary to the word of God is a sin.

I'm sorry, but this is an incorrect take.
For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Galatians 5:13‭-‬14 NKJV
And He entered the synagogue again, and a man was there who had a withered hand. So they watched Him closely, whether He would heal him on the Sabbath, so that they might accuse Him. And He said to the man who had the withered hand, “Step forward.” Then He said to them, “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they kept silent. And when He had looked around at them with anger, being grieved by the hardness of their hearts, He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched it out, and his hand was restored as whole as the other.
Mark 3:1‭-‬5 NKJV
The entire point of Jesus' coming was to free us from a set of rules. "Don't be self-serving," basically. Don't mix Republicanism with Christianity. >

Did you really just tell someone with an Atheistic stance on God that they were wrong by quoting scripture at them? You really don't get it do you? Blind faith above all else, lest ye admit thy hath been duped from the start. >

The second part, not the first. Listening to others and then making moral judgements is literally the point. >

The Bible has Adam grow to something like 930 or so years old.
Where's the assumption that he had anything close to the same maturation process as normal humans coming from? >

I read ancient jewish people used the moon to track time so adam would bn about 30.
They count phases of the moon not years. >

Yes, the timing of all that stuff is abstract. Not really to be taken literally.... like how the world was created in 7 days... More like 7 periods of time. >

Yeah how can you even have a day before the sun and earth exist lol >

In Genesis, the earth was created “in the beginning”. >

Sure, but the earth was ‘without form’ and light did not currently exist >

...And then he created light and there was day and night the first day.
Not understanding your confusion. Approaching the creation story with pedantry is a rather silly exercise, but you can probably do better than this. >

Right? He had the body of an adult but he had the mind of a toddler really.
Imagine getting so mad and outraged because your toddler son misbehaved! >

And how do you know god gave adam the mind of a toddler and not a mind of an adult? >

He was my great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather >

Technically, for those who believe, he is everyone's great*240 grandfather... >

I mean there absolutely was a first human. No belief involved. >

Yes, but the definition is very fuzzy. Where do you draw the line between human and the one immediately before human that we haven't found proof of yet? >

like in Transformers G1 where you got robots who are 2 million years old working with robots who were just built an episode ago. somehow these massive age gaps are fine with everyone >

When Artemis was born, she helped her mother as a midwife at the birth of her TWIN Apollon.
The thing is: Mythology doesn't want to be realistic, it wants to tell something. >

Artemis is a special woman though. :) >

Adam is clearly not a normal man >

I would agree with that, He was only brought into sin because of His Wife. He did not start off nor end up sinful in other ways, just because he was removed from the Garden of Eden. >

At least they had computers. Eve had an Apple, Adam had a Wang. >

Man that joke is dated. >

So am I 😂 >

No confusion.  Dude was the smartest guy on earth.  He named all the animals, he had a direct intellect download from God. >

Wasn't he the only guy on earth? >

Winner by default is still a winner >

Imagine Adam and Eve with their first son or daughter and just not knowing wtf to do when puberty starts lol. >

A lot of things don't make much sense with religion if you scrutinize it at the same level as science. >

Or at the level of basic logic.
That's the problem when you try to interpret metaphorical religious doctrine as absolute fact. >

Adam being created as an adult is an assumption. The Bible doesn’t say at what stage of development he was created at, only that he was created in God’s image.
Also, at this point humans lived forever as death was not a thing yet, so human development could have been vastly different then what we are used to today.
It’s possible that Adam went through his entire early development being cared for by God (who walked with him hand in hand in the garden) and then was given Eve once he became an adult.
But I don’t know. >

Adam ate the fruit.
Their eyes were opened and their innocence, lost. They ran from God and His presence soon after, and were expelled from the garden, paradise lost. >

How does that quote support this perspective I've never heard ? >

I never heard what this guy saying either. I just posted what they claimed after adam ate the apple. To me it just allegory for the coming of age and understanding sexual attraction. >

I'm not religious, but I find it interesting, I've never heard anyone claim that Adam ate the fruit.  
Banishment, floods, plaques, I take it as a control power play.  You do not want to F with me, do what I say or I'll make your eternity hell. >

Eve pick and ate the fruit and then gave it to adam. which i think was used to point to women for the fall. Its always a power play older people trying to contol the younger generations. >

Eve was deceived and ate the fruit, and Adam went with it, instead of taking the matter to God and sorting it out between the three of them.
On top of that, Adam blamed God for Eve's actions, almost saying God made Eve defective, instead of admitting his own fault. >

Well that be 2nd defective model because lilith supposedly left adam for god lol. I think of chuck in supernatural lol. 
Sorry bro like you love who you love lmao! >

Given the intelligence that has grown over the centuries, we never ask, how dumb was Adam compared to today's average human? >

I would guess very, but people are pretty fuckin stupid these days so... maybe about the same actually >

Not even close to the weirdest thing about the whole story lol. >

If that's the most hard to understand thing about the bible.... you should read a bit further... >

Nah punishing basically a baby for doing something they can't know as wrong is pretty damn confusing. >

You're saying that in a way that implies it actually happened. It's fiction.