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53% of white women voters voted for trump in 2016. 55% of white women voters voted for trump in 2020.
White men absolutely hold some of the blame, but white women aren't getting let off the hook anymore.
I always thought it was telling when Mike Pence would not get in the car that was being driven by the secret service on January 6th.   I think he also suspected they were compromised by the former president. >

This is still huge for me, and it shocks me how little it seems like people talk about this. When the VP is afraid of someone on the inside, this should terrify everyone. >

What do you make of his claim that he thought it was a bad look for the VP to be seen fleeing? I know it casts him as the hero and all so he has incentive to push that narrative but I don’t know. Maybe it’s true. >

What's weird to me is that he hasn't really blamed Trump for what happened. >

Yeah whatever his motivation for not getting in that car, he has failed his country with his silence over this issue. Silence is consent. >

I don’t get it. How has Trump made so many people into crazy acolytes? Like, there may have been Secret Service agents who preferred Bush to Obama, but I’d bet money they did their jobs and/or asked to get transferred to Kansas or whatever. Why are people so willing to light the world on fire for this guy. He’s not smart, he’s not charismatic. What do they see in him? >

Good question and I do wonder the same. That Trump seems to be able to produce  zealots with unquestioning  loyalty can't  be disputed but as you say ... how/why? I find it hard to believe  that racism  is the sole factor. >

It doesn't have to be the sole factor. Christian nationalism is another factor (there are quite a few Christian nationalists who are POC). >

Yeah that's  another  group  he courts but would the USS be full of those? >

Are most Americans Christian nationalists? No, however their numbers are significant. >

Interesting. >

Law enforcement agencies have always been populated by right wingers, at every level from local to federal, so no surprise the Secret Service is full of Trump supporters >

Consistently throughout history law enforcement have been ready and willing to serve the fascists. Hitler had to purge the military in his rise to power, no such thing was needed to turn police into genocidal enforcers. >

Honest question, why is this? What is it about the incentive structures of police that leads to this outcome. Furthermore, is it possible to change the incentives such that this link is broken? >


What is it about the incentive structures of police that leads to this outcome.

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For the US at least.
Qualified Immunity: Almost impossible to sue a cop who wrongs you.
Incestous Relationships: The cops, judges, and lawyers are all on the same team.  'We investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong'
Police Union Gang Mentality: They'll look out for each other.  If you actually catch heat, they'll rehire you a county or two over.  If you try to expose wrongdoing, (or someone tries to expose yours) then they tragically die in a 'training accident' or find themselves in a situation without backup.  Or forced to resign, best case scenario.
Little training required: Court decisions have stated a cop is not required to know the law, only 'believe that a crime has been committed' which also falls back to QI and PUGM if they were 'wrong'.  Ignorance is no excuse if you 'did wrong' but they can ruin your life on a hunch.
Maximum Intelligence standards: It has been declared that there is nothing wrong with districts refusing to hire people who score too highly on tests.  Likely cause they'd be rational thinkers.
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In a nutshell, you have a force that has barely any enforceable rules, freedom to abuse and make up reasons, a bunch of buddies who will cover for them, a system that almost never punishes them, protection from almost any repercussions from those they hurt, and a culture that attracts the least intelligent. >

Generational racial superiority in all power structures backed by old money. >

Come spend a night or ten in Atlanta Rice St intake and tell me it's racial, where black guards force black accused to pile 20+ people into an 8x12 shit-filthy room, so overcrowded that people sleep under the toilet to lay down because there's no room to move, lights blaring at all hours, where the guards play a game of "we'll crack the door and let oxygen into your room if you keep the ones that lose it from banging on the glass," where they purposefully delay processing people for court and bail, saying that we should write politicians for more money for them if they want it to improve, where you have to collapse and convulse if you want medical care because things like saying you're diabetic and need insulin aren't enough, where they put you in the cold cell near the open door in winter for acting up with your hands tied behind your back so you can't huddle for warmth, where COVID spreads to entire cell blocks and they simply don't count the dead, so it's not real. It's 2023, fascism can be black now, all it ever needed was an out-group, never mattered which one. >

At minimum, everyone associated with the mysterious disappearing texts from January 6 ought to have been reassigned to somewhere in Bumfuck, North Dakota. >

Bumfuck is actually quite nice this time of year. I say we go medieval on them and send them to…. PEORIA ILLINOIS! >

The Geneva Convention prevents cruel and unusual punishment. >

Bumfuck it is. >

Our former president has made embarrassment out of this country. >

Trump could not do so without help and support from his voters.
Straight white males overwhelmingly voted for the big orange turd in both 2016 and 2020.
Not coincidentally the vast majority of Secret Service members are straight white males. >

You know that white women broke for Trump 2016, right? Without them, he wouldn’t have won. >

But not the majority.
Heck some blacks voted for him too, like Ice Cube, Charlie Barkally, Scott Baio.