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  Snowflakes who is they seem to be terrified by I don’t get it.
context: The whole snowflake thing is hilarious since the right are the most thin skinned ‘people’ I ever had the misfortune to know. >
  
  Accuse your enemy of that which you are guilty >
  
  That's modern conservativism in a nutshell -- every accusation is a confession. >
  
  That’s because all conservatives are literally adult children, socially and emotionally stunted from never having challenges (I.e. “peaking in high school”) >
  
  Anecdotally nearly everyone I know who "peaked in high school" happens to be MAGA >
  
  Also from Maryland checking in to say…same. >
  
  The amount of people who shit on the kids THEY raised is hilarious. Nobody asked for participation trophies, Larry. YOU just gave them to us. And guess what? I didn’t care. It had no bearing whatsoever on the way I grew up. Being a latch key kid raised by a television, however, did. Thank Star Trek, not your shitty plastic trophy. >
  
  OMG yes!  I had a family member use that and I looked him directly in the eye and said "Your generation invented them, you think any of us actually wanted these things?  It always weirded us out how often all of you saved the useless ribbons and trophies to prove how much better you were than someone else even though all of us had the same ribbon.   Now you want to scream about it?  Where was your outrage when we were complaining they were lame?"
  As per usual, subject change happened.  It is funny though, there's a bit of terror coming from some of them who retired with government paychecks..  All of a sudden they're coming to the realization that this Congress might actually cut them off entirely. >
  
  Gen X here.  I never understood the become more conservative as you age thing.
  If anything, my views become more progressive the older I get. >
  
  I think it came from people earning more money and growing wealth and then feeling that it's unfair that some of that wealth is taken and given to people who didn't "make the same effort" that they did.
  When you're young and don't have much, it's great to think that the rich should help the poor, but once people get rich they think that the only reason they are is because they deserve it and others don't. It takes a lot of self-awareness to realize that wealth is due completely to circumstances and luck. >
  
  Don't talk about this stuff like it's past tense.
  A 2016 Pew Research study found that 58% of Americans believe that their lives are not largely determined by factors outside of their control and that 73% think it's "very important" (10/10) to work hard in order to get ahead in life.
  I would love to see this study rerun in the post Trump era, but there's no way these numbers aren't still very high >
  
  I mean it’s important to work hard if it aligns with your goals. The difference is without the external factors, all the hard work won’t matter.
  You can’t finish a marathon without running it, but if you’ve got cinderblocks tied to your shoes it doesn’t matter how hard you run you ain’t finishing.
  Those polls are a really poor analog for whether or not someone believes in bootstrap bullshit >
  
  The point is how much of an outlier Americans are compared to other countries. The median % is in the mid 30s for both questions >
  
  Isnt it… not wrong though?
  I could end up unhoused for a million reasons completely out of my control, which is sadly true for most Americans. But if I just stop working, I will also end up unhoused and hungry. Lack of work will fuck me, independent of whatever barriers I may or may not face.
  (Yes billionaires and the like shouldn’t exist, but they’re in the .001%, they’re literally socioeconomic lottery winners and should be excluded from studies of social norms due to being such a small group just like they should be excluded from reality due to their possessing most of the cards in the deck and leaving the rest for the other 8,000,000,000 of us)
  But for the other 8 billion, success is Luck x Effort. If you’re real unlucky, even borderline infinite effort will leave you fucked. But unless you’re super lucky, lack of effort will also fuck you. Any number times 0 is 0, on either side.
  Hell, I’d argue our lack of social safety nets are the reason it’s more true here. You can’t make even a single mistake or you might be permafucked, and even then you might still be. >
  
  Ok, but in this case 73% of respondents are saying hard work is the most important factor (10 out of 10) in being successful. You are viewing that relationship as "in order to be successful, you have to work hard," which in many cases is true. I'm viewing the relationship as "If you work hard you are guaranteed to be successful" which I think we can both agree is demonstrably false. Plenty of people work hard their whole lives and die in poverty.
  Perhaps that's a flaw in the questioning, but either way the US being such a major outlier says something on how we view the relationship between work and positive outcomes vs European countries >
  
  Okay, yeah, I see what you’re saying. We were definitely parsing the question differently because I agree with your take as you state it. I feel like the amount of ambiguity in it makes it a poor question but I can’t think of a better way to say it without making it sound like a set theory proof. >
  
  while the Right bullies, the rest of us vote.  When outnumbered, bullies always sniffle and whine.  We begin to hear that sound from the republican House. >
  
  Don’t tell the far-right that, they’ll find another reason to play the victim.  They are addicted to victimhood. >
  
  The right are the snowflakes >
  
  They'll just pivot, it doesn't matter. snowflakes is just the dogwhistle for this generation. in 10 years it'll be something else. >
  
  Wokeness or some other thing they can use for propaganda >
  
  Wokeness is the current enemy dujour in Florida. >
  
  And drag shows >
  
  And trans kids in high school athletics >
  
  Did you know there are over a trillion transgender athletes? It's a very serious problem. >
  
  There is a penalty to be paid by spending all of your energy rationalizing selfishness and opposing generosity,, philanthropy, and selfless love and service.
  Who would have imagined it? >
  
  Didn’t you know? We’ll all become racist angry conservatives as we get to middle age >
  
  Ha
  They don't get tired a bullying people. The entire conservative movement is built on hate >
  
  That whole concept is funny to me. Being a conservative is by definition being a "snowflake" because you're butthurt about the world changing. >
  
  There will always be bullies >
  
  This is why they’re trying to (or at least mentioning) raise the voting age >
  
  The right is melting before our eyes and onto each other. >
  
  Ironically the right are the biggest snowflakes out there..