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  why do people think otherwise 
  
  I don't think that they do. I think most people know it's bad for their health on some level. And they view it as an acceptable risk to reward. 
  I may be projecting. But I dunno I think I'm on to something. >
  
  I mean people obviously believe it's good, since I'm getting downvoted. I'd like to see comments from those types of people. >
  
  I was trying to say that I doubt there are many of them. I think the vast majority of most people will agree that smoking pot is inherently bad for your health. Including pot heads. 
  This is of course in the recreational context. The medical context is a whole different conversation. >
  
  
  Brain health: Marijuana can cause permanent IQ loss of as much as 8 points when people start using it at a young age
  
  The validity of Iq scores has a long history of being and continues to be questioned. That aside, this is an argument against using marijuana at a young age, not using it overall. Plenty of things that are fine for adults are not fine for children.
  
  Mental health: Studies link marijuana use to depression, anxiety, suicide planning, and psychotic episodes. It is not known, however, if marijuana use is the cause of these conditions.
  
  You just said yourself that their isn't a link in these studies. Frankly, marijuana studies have been pretty intensive it would be unlikely for anything drastic to be uncovered now.
  
  Athletic Performance: Research shows that marijuana affects timing, movement, and coordination, which can harm athletic performance.
  
  Okay? So don't smoke a joint before you have a big game. This isn't a bad thing overall. I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, they arent intaking weed to be competitive at sports, they are doing it to relax rather than be active, or if they are being active its just for fun and they dont want get caught up trying to be competitive.
  
  Baby’s health and development: Marijuana use during pregnancy may cause fetal growth restriction, premature birth, stillbirth, and problems with brain development, resulting in hyperactivity and poor cognitive function...
  
  So don't use weed while pregnant. Simular to your first point about children, pregnant people's bodies are drastically different than a non-pregnant body and plenty of things will harm it that otherwise wouldn't.
  
  Driving: People who drive under the influence of marijuana can experience dangerous effects: slower reactions, lane weaving, decreased coordination, and difficulty reacting to signals and sounds on the road.
  
  So don't drive while high. This does not mean its bad overall. Again plenty of things you dont want to do while driving that can distract you, let's compare it to those.
  
  Daily life: Using marijuana can affect performance and how well people do in life. Research shows that people who use marijuana are more likely to have relationship problems, worse educational outcomes, lower career achievement, and reduced life satisfaction.
  
  Im interested to know what exact studies you referring to here? The only thing im aware of are older studies that have long since been shown to be biased and more recent studies don't show this. There also is like with the depression studies ( but even more so in this case) a lack of real ability to actually pinpoint marijuana as the reason for any of these >
  
  I'm very interested in OP's response to this. You pretty much destroyed their entire post argument in its entirety really. >
  
  Drugs are bad… mmmkay? >
  
  My wife takes medical marijuana for her chronic nerve damage. Her strain of choice is about 0.1% THC. None of what you stated above affects her, at all. 
  So, how is a painkiller with no mental affects bad? >
  
  Δ That is a good point. Strangely enough medical marijuana isn't mentioned too much in the articles. >
  
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  But it feels good.  People sacrifice a little bit of health to enjoy themselves.  Always have, always will. >
  
  Δ True. I guess people do deserve to chill out sometimes since we're all gonna die in the end anyways. >
  
  Heroin feels good. Does that mean everyone should do heroin? >
  
  Not necessarily, but I get the premise. Videogames and porn feel good but no one bats an eye since they're already socially accepted >
  
  So you think that heroin should be perfectly legal then?
  I disagree with you strongly there. Just look up the guy who tried heroin for the first time on reddit. >
  
  When I said not necessarily, I implied I disagreed with heroin being legal. But the amount of controversy surrounding weed in this thread makes me unclear as to the addictiveness of it. >
  
  But your CMV states that weed is bad for you. The comment that changed your view was "but it feels good, and it should be okay for people to sacrifice their health because of that" >
  
  That's why I added to the post that the broadness of the post was what caused my view to be changed. Weed might be bad for you in the long term, but not in the short term. >
  
  
  Weed might be bad for you in the long term, but not in the short term.
  
  If using it in the short term gets you arrested, then it's bad for you in the short term.
  But even if it's "not bad for you in the short term, but is still bad for you in the long term" that doesn't actually change the fact that it's bad for you. >
  
  I guess what I meant by the delta is I imagined that you could live a life doing whatever the fuck you want since no one really knows what we're doing here anyways and therefore no one has any authority to really tell us what to do. But in your mind you'd be happy. And if smoking weed makes you happy, then fuck it. Same with heroin I guess, yeah I take my previous statement back. It was an interesting alternative view that I considered. >
  
  don’t confuse correlation with causation >
  
  Δ This is a good point. I did find it suspicious how the studies were not easy to find. >
  
  Studies are often hard to find with any drug, especially one where so many are dedicated to spread misinformation about supposed benefits . >
  
  So first off, consider the source. Any organization which deals in substance abuse, is going to discuss how substances can be abused and potential negative eggects. That's what they do. They arent going to give you the whole picture. It's kind of like watching a burger King ad, and then saying look at all the good stuff burger kings says about their food, well of course, they aren't going to talk about the negative effects or if people prefer McDonalds French fries or whatever else. Their opinion is biased (which doesn't mean wrong, just bias) and there existence depends on it.
  Obviosuly no one is really thinking that Marijuana helps you in sports by smoking a joint before the game, or that is a good idea to take some edibles and go for a drive, or while pregnant. Sometimes a neutral or even a beneficial substance can also be bad for you. Water is very good for you, but don't drink a lot of water before waiting in a line at Dinsey world, it can have negative effects.
  Marijuana is not for everybody, it can cause anxiety in some people, it can help with anxiety for others. If you have appetite issues it can help. If you don't have issues with your appetite it can increase appetite which could be bad.
  Most of the studies I've read about Marijuanas correlation to IQ or mental health issues seem to be people misinterpreting correlation with causation. Does Marijuana cause mental health issues, or do people with mental health issues smoke Marijuana, or is there just a third common denominator like for instance highschool and college age students tend to smoke Marijuana and tend to deal with certain mental health issues. It would not be wrong of me to say that when ice cream sales increase, so do drownings, but ice cream doesn't cause people to drown, drownings don't cause the grieving families to eat ice cream, both things increase in frequency with warmer weather.
  If you dont like weed, don't use it. That's fine. You're probably not missing mucn.
  The positive of marijuana is there are benefits as a mild painkiller, for appetite, and anxiety, with very little short term or long term side effects as compared to other substances, which can have more detrimental side effects or are addictive. >
  
  
  Brain health: Marijuana can cause permanent IQ loss of as much as 8 points when people start using it at a young age.
  
  Practically no one disputes that - every discussion about legalization is about legalization for adults.
  
  Mental health: Studies link marijuana use to depression, anxiety, suicide planning, and psychotic episodes. It is not known, however, if marijuana use is the cause of these conditions.
  
  So what is the problem? Most substances are in some inconclusive way linked to something bad - whenever this would be mental health or microscopic rise in cancer chance. Until we have conclusive evidence that it is harmless we should assume that it is not.
  
  Athletic Performance: Research shows that marijuana affects timing, movement, and coordination, which can harm athletic performance.
  
  Affects it while being under influence or is it lasting drop in performance? Also, most people are not athletic performers.
  
  Driving: People who drive under the influence of marijuana can experience dangerous effects: slower reactions, lane weaving, decreased coordination, and difficulty reacting to signals and sounds on the road.
  
  Sure, that is why you don't drive after smoking marijuana, same as you don't drive after downing few beers. Intoxication was always a no-go when it comes to driving a car.
  
  Baby’s health and development: Marijuana use during pregnancy may cause fetal growth restriction
  
  Same as alcohol or many other everyday things like coffee. But is someone seriously arfuing for pregnant women to smoke pot?
  
  Daily life: Using marijuana can affect performance and how well people do in life. Research shows that people who use marijuana are more likely to have relationship problems, worse educational outcomes, lower career achievement, and reduced life satisfaction.
  
  Curious about this research - as weed is still illegal inn many places. Was this a study done on population that were accustomed to weed being legal? Was this only on those who admited to take illegal substances? This seems like a ripe topic for bias, so I would take it with a grain of salt.
  
  What's the deal here? With the US Department of Health & Human Services/SAMSHA and other sites such as the CDC, Healthline and others leaning towards the argument that weed has net negative health effects, why do people think otherwise?
  
  Because you are missing what people consider "negative health effects" and what CDC and others see as "negative health effects". You can see this in topics you brought that in majority do not cover "negative health effects" that would be seen as problematic for general population, because they are not applicable for them.
  If I am a 30 year old non-pregnant adult, whose only athletic performance is occasional basketball game with friends - most of what you provided is actually a "negative health effect" and those that could be are so inconclusive that I don't even have to bother with them.
  So how weed is bad for a 30 year old non-pregnant adult, whose only athletic performance is occasional basketball game with friends? >
  
  Makes me a better person despite all that. >
  
  There's a whole system in your body you probably haven't heard of that's somewhat related  to weed, the endocannabinoid system. It's a system that creates and regulates homeostasis in the body. Your body creates it's own cannabinoids and they're actually critical to the body. Do some research on it and it might change your view. 
  Studying this system and it's benefits also doesn't mean you need to be pro THC but if you learn anything you will be pro cannabis >
  
  Pick a drug. We can name a shit ton of side effects many arguably worse than any if these listed. There is literally almost no drug that can't have a side effect so you listing what you did is no different than just about any drug on the market if we're just listing potential side effects. 
  People take drugs to help with something typically. They trade off whatever potential side effects in exchange. For weed it can literally be trading violent uncontrolled seizures for 1 IQ point or whatever. I'd take losing 1 IQ point any day over violent seizures thanks. Same for many drugs that can cure a headache, but cause dhirrea. Many drugs tell you not to exercise not because of just decreased athletic performance, but because they will literally kill you. Blood thinners are extremely common and you shouldn't be exercising on em.
  Some drugs make you drowsy and you shouldn't vbe driving with em. Basically if you haven't figured it out by now you legit sat there and ignored how drugs tend to work in general. Compared to so many other drugs out there, weed ain't shit. It even helps folks in the medicinal world. 
  So unless you're saying basically no drug should exist or is good for you then sounds like you can look at the good it does for folks. There's almost nothing in life that doesn't have a tradeoff. Food can literally kill people if we're talking all the possibilities here. The discussion should be does the good outweighed bad for whoever and if yes then who cares? 
  Drinking is bad for you then. Do folks throw a hissy for there? Arguably Hauschka worse effects on everything you listed and then some. It's fun and most find it worth it to loosen up and just love life. Let folks have their fun. I don't give a fuck about weed, but cool whatever folks do for them. >
  
  You can also drown in water, no shit inhaling smoke isn't good for you it's a cost/benefit/trade off. We can go in depth regarding THC vs synthetic cannabinoids as both are bad for you, but to incredibly varying degrees. >
  
  Pretty much everything, even bloody orange juice, is bad for your health in excess, and almost anything, even poisons, is good for your soul in moderation if it makes you happy. >
  
  I used to smoke a fair amount when I was younger - managed to raise 3 children on my own, worked 2 jobs to save for a car, got a better education and in my old age I am just fine, thank you.  Now I take CBD Oil every night for my osteo.  Friends of a similar age spend all day popping pain meds - I take none.  So, what is worse?