comment: >
  
  Breed shouldn’t be allowed to exist
context: Dog owners should be fully responsible for the crime of the dog. No exceptions. Throw the owner in jail for shit like this. >
  
  My wife was bitten on the leg by some irresponsible asshole’s dog. The injury cost as much as a new car and now she’s understandably afraid of walking in the neighborhood and of dogs. Thankfully we have insurance because the emergency room visit cost twenty grand. 
  I’m at the point where I think all large breeds should be banned. People are not responsible enough to keep large predators. Twenty pounds or less. >
  
  20k for an ER visit. Americans. Why do you accept this? Why do you want it like this? >
  
  We don’t, but we’re not in charge. Industries own the government. >
  
  Why do people let their dogs roam free? Seriously people need go stop it.
  Edit: when I was a kid me and my friends got attacked by a German shepherd that was allowed to free roam while waiting for the bus. We were 6. Thank goodness not a pitbull. Either way keep your dogs on your property
  Edit: whole >
  
  Pitbulls are banned in many different places including the city I live in for this reason. This dog should not be domesticated. >
  
  
  This dog should not be domesticated.
  
  Umm... that's not how that works. The breed of dogs commonly referred to as "pit bulls" didn't exist until after the domestication of dogs in general. It's not like there are wild populations of pit bulls. >
  
  Semantics. The dog shouldn't be owned or bred by humans and kept as pets. Happy? >
  
  Not really since you didn't address my point, that you don't seem to know how dogs work. >
  
  Thanks Caesar Millan >
  
  I'm sure your comment campaign on reddit will see the results you want. >
  
  Unprecedented. We had no way of predicting this. >
  
  Ramgopal et all (2018) says that despite reported pit bulls being 4.9% of purebred dogs, they accounted for 27.2% of all reported bites. >
  
  I wouldn't be surprised if statistically, people who should not be dog owners are the ones more likely to own pitbulls too. >
  
  I think there might be something to this. People who like to look. “ tough “ as well as younger more irresponsible type people use the reputation of the  bully breeds to boost their ego . Then there is the dog fighting . So the higher numbers in deaths may be attributed to the type of owners, not the dogs themselves  - I know there are other types of owners too- have been one. >
  
  Theyre probably way more likely to be given away for free too.
  Then those new owners never get them fixed, give their litter away and so on >
  
  Every pit bull is the nicest, sweetest, wouldn't-harm-a-fly dog in the world until suddenly it's not and it magically transforms into a dog that was bred to fight and kill.  Attacks by pit bulls make up 65% of dog attack fatalities because that is their job. >
  
  Where does it say that in the article? >
  
  It Doesn't
  Seems to be accurate... >
  
  My point was that this was probably a bad dog raised by a bad owner. Nowhere in the article does it say that this dog was a good or nice dog. I already know that pits have the highest attack and kill stats in the US. Cocker spaniels are also in the top-10 of dog attacks in the US. After German Shepards is chihuahua terriers Dalmatians and cocker spaniels. >
  
  Pit bulls make up 65% of deaths  the next is like 8%.
  I can't find any deaths from a cocker spaniel. But when looking I found many articles about pit bulls killing cocker spaniels. >
  
  Yea I know, Jesus Christ. Wasn’t fuckin standing up for the breed. Was making the point that this more caused by a terrible owner letting the dog roam knowing the history of pit bulls. >
  
  
  Wasn’t fuckin standing up for the breed. 
  
  Ok
  
  Was making the point that this more caused by a terrible owner
  
  You're directing the conversation away from the fact that Pitbulls are dangerous, murderous animals and terrible musicians. >
  
  The breed of peace strikes again.
  Every pitbull is a nanny dog, right up until it eats your kid. >
  
  Your going to be downvoted into oblivion but you are absolutely right. Pitbulls are awful dogs. There isn’t a day that goes by without seeing a pit bull attack video or an article like this on Reddit. It’s time to ban the breed. >
  
  we won't ban a weapon that has assisted in the murder of hundreds if not thousands of children. 
  you really think they care about banning a dog or mixed dogs? >
  
  I know they don’t care, but I advocate for what I think is right, regardless. If I speak out it might encourage others to as well, and hopefully at least help to dispel the myth that pitbulls are harmless nanny dogs. >
  
  How irresponsible do you have to be to let a dog roam outside of your property? The owner deserves to be held accountable for this completely avoidable tragedy.
  Certain breeds also simply should not be allowed. I remember hearing that my local vet had a sign outside saying they’d neuter/spay pit bulls for free. >
  
  Let me guess, he's never showed any aggression and this happened out of the blue. 
  That's the main defense of pro pitbull people. But that's also a trait specific for this breed. It's not a bug, it's a feature >
  
  What makes it worse is these dogs have a very high rate for dog dementia, I have a Pitt mix myself in a high fenced in yard, they can be a sweet dog sure but they absolutely can snap and if they get older it's more likely to happen. They forget their owners and people they've met and it can absolutely be dangerous/fatal. (I will admit I didn't want this dog, but my husband found her roaming the street around our house and felt bad for her.) >
  
  They also have this unique trait of suddenly attacking it's own herd, which is the case in a lot of these. 
  It's understandable that a lot of owners defend them, when all they've seen, are the good sides. But breeders have bred the devil into some of these dogs, and without regulation breeding this out of them, everyone needs to be careful >
  
  Oh I completely agree, I worked at an animal shelter for five years and saw just about everything you can imagine. It does scare me as I have other animals besides her, but were she to attack one of them I have the training to stop her if I have to. (Hope this doesn't happen, but I will do what I have to)
  It's naive for people to think that their dog is different, they all have the capacity to harm people or other animals. All you have to do is see their musculature to see that they are built differently from other dogs. >
  
  How do you stop it? All I know, is choking them out cold, but with significant risk >
  
  Break the neck is really all you're going to be able to do,  by hand (this is a last ditch effort). A cricket bat is going to be your best bet so you don't get hurt, typically when Pitts bite down they don't let go so you're really only trying to save the other animal or person. If you can shock it with a hit it may drop what it's biting. ( I do not condone animal abuse, but if the dog is killing someone else or another pet you have to stop them) >
  
  Wasn’t there just a story yesterday about an 11 year old getting ripped up by one of these fuckin dogs too? Jfc >
  
  There was a story about 3 of them attacking a child on a bike. Not sure if that's the 1 you're thinking about. >
  
  I know people say “not all pit bulls” and all that…….. but I used to work in an urgent care / ER setting and almost every time there was a dog related injury…… it was a pit bull. Some really nasty wounds too. Can’t close them either because of infection risk. Anecdotal evidence 🤷🏼‍♀️ >
  
  Great.  Looking forward to the onslaught of 'cute pitty pictures' in r/aww etc... >
  
  r/awwPitFree >
  
  Ban pitbulls and spay / neuter all living ones. Until they die out, imprison anyone whose pitbull harms someone for the absolute maximum. >
  
  Pit bull owners should be charged as if they were the dog. Meaning, if a pit bull owner randomly attacks and kills someone then the owner should be charged as if they randomly walked up and murdered that person >
  
  It should be the case for all dog breeds, not just pit bulls. Pit bull owners would be the majority impacted by the law but all owners should be held responsible for their dogs regardless of specific breed. >
  
  One of these days, a child of a high ranking politician is going to be seriously hurt by a dog. That will cause a new law to be enacted, making the dog's owner legally responsible for the dog's actions. >
  
  ...dog owners are responsible for the actions of their pets, both in the form of criminal and civil charges. >
  
  Depends,  like year ago a 2 dogs jump the fence and killed a boy in NJ. No charges for the owners. Crazy!! >
  
  Time to toss this breed out. It serves no purpose in a peaceful society. >
  
  While there is evidence behind pit bulls having issues when it comes to attacking people, even the kind ones. I find it super odd that people are so quick and willing to completely get rid of a breed of dog. I get it, but the empath in me is like ???? >
  
  
  I find it super odd that people are so quick and willing to completely get rid of a breed of dog.
  
  So quick? 
  Did you just learn about pit bulls killing people today? Shit has been going on for a long fucking time and people are tired of it. >
  
  Nah, it’s pretty recent. 10-20 years ago the evil breeds were Rottweilers and Dobermans. 
  People will always find a new boogeyman to fear and hate. It’s easier than being honest with yourself. >
  
  Another day, another shitbull victim. These idiot dog nutters favor a worthless dog's life over a human. Just sad. >
  
  But he is great around kids. >
  
  I guarantee he's abused >
  
  As someone who has volunteered in several shelters in multiple states, I can say with confidence that a large majority of dogs that were neglected and abused of every breed were timid, tails tucked and only aggressive when back into a corner. 
  Every Pitt was chomping at the gate and super aggressive. Volunteers were not allowed to take them out or socialize them, walk them, or let them out the same time as other dogs. So it may be anecdotal, but I've never had a great experience with that breed.
  I've had German shepherds, weimaraner, corgi, borzoi, and husky. They have all been pulled on, hit, bit, or chased by children, or other dogs in the park, not once have I had them snap and kill or harm. >
  
  The happy go lucking breed adds another child to their list of victims. Sick of seeing this over and over again and then all the assholes bombard the comments with excuses and bs… >
  
  "It's obviously the little girl's fault for provoking the dog" - pit nutters (aka victim blamers) >
  
  That's a stupid straw man and I hate pitbulls.
  Their usual argument is that "the owners are bad and the dogs are good" >
  
  r/velvethippos, hey look assholes, here's another one. >
  
  So you’re saying that golden retrievers are doing this too but have a better PR guy? >
  
  Pit bulls make up 65% of dog attack fatalities.  All dogs can attack, the difference is the lethality of the attack. >
  
  While that is true, it’s not fair to the dog or anyone to just assume. A cat will attack when provoked out of anger or fear. Horses and other large animals will attack out of anger, fear or instinct to protect. But just because a dog is labeled a ‘pitbull’ doesn’t mean it is one. I’ve seen plenty of these attacks where a dog is labeled a ‘pitbull’ and it’s clearly not that ‘breed’ >
  
  Can you explain the 65% stat though? Are people only instigating pits over other breeds? >
  
  How the hell is owning one of these weapons legal? It’s like carrying a gun that randomly fires at people. What a weird flaw in our society >
  
  Ever meet a pitbull owner? They’re as delusional as flat earthers. >
  
  
  My velvet hippo wouldn’t hurt a fly. 
  
  They all say as Cujo eats what is left of grandma. >
  
  Pits need to be banned, but never will be. My neighbors pit attacked me. I shot it and it died. 
  Have pits around you? Get your CC license. >
  
  All pit bulls should be put down. See a pit bull, put down a pit bull. 
  These fuckers are all sweet and nice right up until the moment they’re not. Then they are killing/maiming other dogs or kids, and the stupid owner is sitting there talking about how sweet and nice the dog is >
  
  All I'll say is that most of the time, pitbulls attract a very specific type of people.
  Pitbulls, Staffordshire terriers, etc. 
  Very specific type of people. >
  
  This one just breaks my brain and heart. Such foolishness to allow these animals around families and children. >
  
  I live in a 3rd world country , Zimbabwe. Everyone has either fence or a durawall, irregardless of whether or not they own a dog. Why are they so unpopular over there.
  I can't blame the dog or the dog breed for this incident .My own dogs will without any hesitation attack any living foreign creature unless i intervene. The owner was definitely at fault though i'd still feel safer in my own fence. >
  
  I live in Arkansas.  Our family wants to get a dog in a year or two.  You can't find a shelter dog here they are ALL pit bulls or pit bull mixes.
  Some assholes brought their pitbull to a pumpkin patch full of children this past fall.  I was watching them like a hawk and keeping my girls as far as possible from them.  From a distance I witnessed it attack a smaller dog that was there.  Fucking pit bull owners. >
  
  Pit bulls take pride in their work. “What’s the problem?”, they would say. >
  
  Don't be ignorant >
  
  The dog did what it was bred for. >
  
  I'll bet my left nut the dog is abused >
  
  Who cares if it was abused? Doesn’t give it the right to KILL a child. And your thinking is warped if you think it does. >
  
  No but uts why >
  
  I don't want to go too far afield here but I can't help but thinking the parents of the 6 year old who shot her teacher are still walking around. >
  
  They might not be for long, depending what the investigation finds. >
  
  As a former UPS package driver, now UPS Feeder driver, roaming dogs on properties out in the rural sticks was one of my pet peeves.  It was a mixed bag… the dogs were either friendly enough to leave you alone so you can put the packages on the porch at the front door, and others were down right evil and I wasn’t even getting out of the truck.  If I was able to get the homeowner’s attention and they wouldn’t subdue the dog, then I kept the packages on the truck and kept moving.  I get the guard dog mentality but if you don’t want people on your property, even though you clicked enter and bought something online with delivery to your front door, it isn’t the delivery driver’s job to duck and run from your dog(s).  I’ve told several customers when they try to say the dogs won’t hurt anyone that I am not looking to test that opinion and to control the dog or come pick your stuff up at the end of your driveway or at the UPS center.
  As for the douchebag dog owner here, I hope he is sued and spends some time in jail and is told he can never own any kind of animal for any reason ever again.  Clearly he has proven their irresponsibility and I’d be willing to bet they don’t give two shits that their dog just killed an innocent human being for no reason.  Reminds me of the delivery driver that got attacked badly by several dogs at once while the owner watched from the upstairs of the house and did nothing to stop it.  I forget which delivery company it was and I think it was in Pennsylvania some where. >
  
  The breed of peace spreads peace once again >
  
  Oh right I got banned from R/cute for saying “pit bulls are cute until it tears off your face.” >
  
  Thats an ok ban.  That's like going into a culinary subreddit and saying "Kitchen knives are a good cooking utensil until they're piercing your internal organs"... your personal moral panic on the subject is antithetical to the point of the sub. >
  
  These dogs should be illegal. They are overwhelmingly aggressive and cause more deaths than any other breed by almost 4x, yet they don’t even rank in top 10 for strongest bites - they’re just nasty, aggressive dogs. 
  And sure, there are some sweet ones. But overwhelmingly these are terrible animals to have and I just don’t understand the accepted risk at all here.
  EDIT: I should post a source >
  
  Incoming r/aww posts about cute Pit Bulls in
  3…..2……..1
  Guaranteed. >
  
  r/awwPitFree >
  
  Wow a pitbull doing this is a surprise to me >
  
  It’s hilarious this shit was just posted on r/outoftheloop and here we are talking about this bs. Fuck the owners and people who think this is fine >
  
  People here don’t realize that if you ban pit bulls, these scumbag dog owners will just move on to the next breed like Rottweilers, Dobermanns, or even German Shepards. Then you’ll have the same issue only with a different dog breed.
  At this point we may want to look into requiring some type of license to own the bigger/more aggressive dog breeds to better protect people. Owning dogs isn’t an inalienable right so why should people be allowed to be this reckless with an animal that can cause considerable harm? >
  
  This is like the gun control argument 😜 >
  
  Gun nuts and Pit nuts are running on the same OS. 
  "MY dangerous fun thing wouldn't hurt ME." >
  
  I’m sure the dog’s never done this before >
  
  Every gun is the sweetest nicest thing until it suddenly is used by an asshole for gunfighting, so we need to ban them
  Oh wait we were talking about pitbulls again, i get confused as they keep killing children when owned by jackasses.
  Edit: lot of defensive pitbull owners in here it seems >
  
  They also kill children they live with and forget their own owners... Highest rates of dog Alzheimer's. Even when owned by good people >
  
  Post the study. >
  
  From a website called “pitbullinfo.org”. No bias there, I’m sure. >
  
  that poor girl do you realize how much trauma that girl must of gone through.. it fucking ate her that cute lil pit so many of you fuckers breed for $$$. >
  
  yep. it's all a big backyard breeder industry. it's all about money and propoganda. >
  
  Something something... A certain sub Reddit having threads about how to lie that your pit is actually a pot or whatever... >
  
  2 most common phrases said by pit bull owners is "he is so gentle and would never hurt anyone" and "Omg I'm so sorry, I swear that's the first time hes bitten anyone" >
  
  But my pittbull is so sweet and wouldn’t hurt a fly😐. >
  
  Stop blaming the dog when the owner was neglectful in the first place.
  
  Lopez said he was not present during the attack, and admitted that the dog was "unrestrained" and "would often roam the neighboring property" where the attack occurred, according to the probable cause documents. There was no kind of fencing between the two properties<
  
  None of you all can read. One again the news uses the word “pitbull” 
  Dog owner allows unrestrained dog to attack child - doesn’t sell papers. >
  
  I mean…… if it’s a pit bull breed 65 times out of 100…… >
  
  But Princess Maulface doesn’t bite! >
  
  Pitbulls are fine. Terrible owner >
  
  Okay, let's just concede that for the sake of argument. What do we do in a world with so many terrible owners? >
  
  Arm the good pit bulls? Metal capped teeth so they can stop the bad dogs. >
  
  I love the people commenting let the breed go extinct as if their lives mean nothing. Pitbulls depend on who the owner are. I've came across 2 of them in my life and they were the sweetest dogs I've ever seen. If your a shit owner, then yes they'll be shit too.
  Edit: read the comment below if you want to see what experts say on pitbulls in general since reddit wants to downvote me. >
  
  This is such a typical bot response from pitbull defenders. >
  
  Then I guess I'm a bot. The way a dog behaves is entirely based on how their owner raises them. >
  
  Except the fact that many breeds are for specific natural traits and instincts, which is why dog breeds are a thing in the first place. >
  
  Just teach that to all the 7 year olds. >
  
  It breaks my heart that two of my closest friends got a pitbull together, and it is an incredibly wonderfully loving, sweet dog.
  But I know, and I can feel the weight and strength of this dog when I pet it, that if it ever decided it wanted to hurt me, I'd be dead. >
  
  Why are we surprised? Our lawmakers don’t care that people intentionally bring firearms into schools/public places and murder people/kids intentionally… Why would they care that dogs murder people/kids? “Just kill the dog and move on.” >
  
  There are 200 dog breeds and thousands of recognized mixes, you don't need to own the one that was bred to kill, you narcissistic fucks >
  
  Can't wait to see those nuts at r/velvethippos do Olympic level mental gymnastics to not blame the dog breed designed for destruction. >
  
  It is depressing to think that these kinds of stories are just going to continue.  It's kind of like guns.  As people become more anxious about the world around them, they become more distrustful of their neighbors and thus accumulate more arms to defend themselves. But they don't get more intelligent or conscientious and innocents end up suffering because of it. >
  
  If there are no bad dogs, only bad dog owners, then owners should be 100% responsible for the actions of their dog. Manslaughter for the owner.