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  And people who talk about the brutality of nature have little to no education in the topic. The tooth and shell theory has been dead since the 50's. Mutualistic relations are far more common in nature.
context: Oh I can enjoy viewing animals from a distance but I know how brutal they can be. I think a lot of people who claim to be animal lovers are more pet lovers. >
  
  Very true. I’m an animal lover. Whenever I say that, people say “I love animals too!” and I’ll ask what their favourite animal is and they’ll say “dog” or something lol. They’re just pet lovers and think that that’s what I mean when it’s not. I’ve never had a pet. I love all animals. Cat or anteater, I’ll treat you with the same love. >
  
  Cats are pretty vicious if you are any smaller animal. Even dogs can be. When I was a kid my hamster escaped. My mom found only the head a few days later. She didn't tell me until I was older, but the only other animal in the house was my miniature dachshund. >
  
  Op thinks people don't know bears eat. >
  
  They might know that, but I bet they dont know Dolphins use severed fish heads to masturbate.... >
  
  Wut did God mean by this... >
  
  Dolphins are evil, man >
  
  Only if intelligence is evil. We do far worse because we can AND we know better... >
  
  I would say that humans are pretty evil by nature. its because we are making a consious desicision when we hurt others while most animals act more on instinct. >
  
  Yes but we also do charity work and care for the sick. Many people spend their lives to help or try and help others. With our collective efforts, with our team work and family care we have built amazing monuments and created amazing arts and sciences and everythibg else!
  Before man is a warrior he is a child. He is kept alive by the compassion of others. He is fed, washed and clothed by this compassion. Compassion therefore is human nature, not violence. Paraphrased the Dalai Lama. >
  
  I don't think I will take the word of a guy who claims his wisdom from reincarnation. >
  
  Okay, so... You deny that someone washed and fed and clothed you as a child?
  Before a warrior is a man he is a child.
  It takes a community to build and do literally everything humans have ever done. From medicine to sky scrapers everything is a collective effort. The community that supports any one individual is much larger than the minority of people who participate in violence. Less than 10% of people in most democracies will voluntarily enlist in armed forces. This force is much larger in our world than violence.
  Violence is simply more shocking and makes for good entertainment. It is actually rather rare. Who we are is monkies with strong community otherwise we would never get anything done.
  Even an army man, a soldier life depends on bakers and clothiers. No man is an island. >
  
  I think you can love animals and understand the brutality of nature at the same time. But I get where you’re coming from — whenever people talk about how beautiful nature is (which it certainly can be), they are certainly hyper-focusing on the positive. A lot of unimaginable, constant brutality out there. >
  
  
  I think you can love animals and understand the brutality of nature at the same time
  
  Tbf OP isn't saying you can't, rather that most don't >
  
  When someone says otters are cute for holding hands I like to point out that they also rape baby seals to death >
  
  So do humans, whats ur point? >
  
  Generally, we want to ignore where our food comes from because we've deviated from natural evolution by using our brains to farm animals efficiently. Most people don't want to think that the meat on their dinner plate was murdered by an intelligent predator (humans). The only difference between us and an animal is that we kill our food smarter and more efficiently... and even though there are humane methods for slaughter, the brutality in the cause of advancement and procreation is the same. >
  
  I’m not talking about humans killing for food. I’m talking about an alligator or a lion ripping an antelope apart. >
  
  Yes, exactly my point. Predators in nature rip animals apart for food... And humans instead can kill a pig with an air gun, mount the carcass on hooks and use industrialized blades to saw it in pieces in lieu of ripping it apart in the wild.
  Nature invented the concept, we've just improved upon it. That's just an example of one of the industry practices but it's not always humane... Just because we don't see the brutality doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. >
  
  You're exactly right.
  This phenomenon occurs because humans were just not made to ingest other animals as food in a way that animals are. Humans don't have claws and fangs  to rip animals apart with. They have to use implements to do this. 
  Humans GI tracts are not capable of ingesting fur the way animals do. And yes animals do eat some of the fur, feathers or scales while they are tearing into other animals. But doesn't bother a wild animal the way it would a human.
  Persons were designed with a higher level brain and opposable thumbs so they could design and make implements. 
  Some of us do want to believe that all creatures are equal and that People are not higher beings than any other animal. Most of us do not think that's the case. But some do. >
  
  You have not looked intot he laws I see. Legally a chicken can be kept in a 1x1x1 cage its whole life. Its the raising and mass production that lowers their quality of life. Not just the quick death. Most chickems kept to those standards (KFC famously) have their beaks and claws "surgically" removed so they don't self harm out of boredom or whatever mental illnesses chickens can have. Which is far more cruel than what a wild turkey deals with. >
  
  I mean, I disagree, some “live laugh love,” people might, but from my experience most outdoorsmen and nature enthusiasts 100% understand the brutality of nature. Personally, the absolute uncaring savagery of the animal world IS the reason I appreciate and love animals so much, specifically dogs. For over a thousand years these creatures have stood by us in the face of every natural danger, and we likely would have suffered far more without them. Now they may be a cute little lap ornament, but we owe them a lot. >
  
  Yeah I think this opinion is fair. I reckon a lot of people who tell you they love animals are probably thinking of fluffy cats and pandas. They're the kind of people who want the zookeepers to break up the gorilla fight.
  They're probably not thinking of those videos where the monitor lizard slowly rips out a deer's intestines, or crows pecking the eyes from baby lambs. But then again, if that's what you love about animals you're probably a little weird. 
  I think a lot of the animal lovers you're referring to do understand how brutal nature can be, but choose to focus on the cute fluffy side. That's the kind of animal lover I think I am anyway. >
  
  Please dont assume what others think and know. That is wildly unfair. >
  
  Bold of you to assume this. >
  
  I did not assume anything. The first paragraph of your comment is an assumption about who "we" are. Us plant eaters and animal lovers... But I have a lot going on in my head and it is bold to assume everyone is one way or another about just about anything. >
  
  You're reading too much into it. >
  
  Most people who claim they're love people/humans have no idea how brutal humans are >
  
  LMAO my thoughts exactly >
  
  So should I just stop loving my family because of how brutal humans can be? >
  
  Did I ever say in my post you shouldn’t love or can’t love animals? I literally nature is beautiful and you should respect it. I’m saying people who claim to love animals don’t know how brutal nature is and often times these people are pet lovers. Not animal lovers. They don’t love rattlesnacks or sharks or alligators or cockroaches. >
  
  I love animals and nature, and i am aware of the dangers/nature of nature(lol) I simply find it interesting. >
  
  It seems that you are the one who realized this recently and you think we were like you, we all knew this from the beginning >
  
  I need you to accept that people can both understand the danger in animals and still find them cute.
  Can you do that for me? >
  
  Can versus do. They can be that but they’re often not. >
  
  You don't know people's minds.  You don't get to make that claim for others. >
  
  I'm not allowed to like puppies because bears in the wild eat antelopes? >
  
  the post is moreso saying that a lot of people dont really understand the brutality of nature and mostly just think about it from a pets pespective.