comment: >
  
  10/10 worst haircut I’ve seen on a gay dude in film.
context: Did he not watch the last season of Stranger Things??? >
  
  sigh...queue the far-right talking point that the "woke" writing of the show actually turned him gay. >
  
  Only the most stupid people would make that correlation but...we do live in an impossibly dumb timeline >
  
  I work with a guy who thinks our schools are trying to turn our kids gay. This isn't a republican state either, it's western Canada. These people are everywhere. >
  
  Question: what's with pushing sexuality at adolescent or younger though.  Can we not have pride parades and co-exist w/o drag queen readings at libraries or a boy who says he's a girl and uses the girl bathroom to rape a classmate.  Whose the ridiculous one, your co-worker or the system going above and beyond acceptance subversion? >
  
  First of all...
  
  a boy who says he's a girl and uses the girl bathroom to rape a classmate
  
  Nothing like this has happened. Ever. Rapists don't care about what the sign on a bathroom door says. You're making it up to scare monger about trans people, who are significantly more likely to be victims of sexual assault than the general population.
  Second of all, you're going to have to explain, clearly, what part of this is sexual. Or this. Or this. Because it's not obvious. What do fully clothed people in colorful costumes have to do with sex? >
  
  No, first of all. What's the story behind the incessant need to push sexuality upon young children?  Some of the alphabet club have gone to social media and posted their exploits and we've all seen children deciding some fluid fate when they are in NO position to determine such consequential choices.  
  A costume is a gimmick and takes away from the critical nature of story-telling, which is the actual story and how it needs to be absorbed my the young mind with thought, a costume is a distraction. >
  
  You didn't answer my question. What do fully clothed people in colorful costumes have to do with sex? >
  
  He's gish galloping. He's either a bot or arguing overtly in bad faith. Just leave it. >
  
  Gish galloping. Ist that one of those new buzzwords nobody will use in 6mo. I sure hope so.  Uhhh, no, they never answered my question first. Who is in bad faith, exactly. Your bias is showing. >
  
  My brother : "What's wrong? Somethings bothering you. ".
  My sister :"I'm gay.".
  My brother :"Oh thank god I thought you wanted to borrow money!" >
  
  When I came out as bi to my dad, he said “oh that’s cool. Gay dudes make the best wing men for straights” and we all had a laugh over it. 
  I had my bags packed scared he was gonna kick me out. >
  
  Cool dad. Glad it worked out. Took my father years. >
  
  Eventually came around? >
  
  Yeah both dad and mom did in a fashion. It's long and complicated and I found out recently not as straightforward as I thought. >
  
  Oof. I’m sorry. But I’m glad it got better. 
  My parents were very understanding and supportive which shocked me because I grew up in a very catholic home and family. 
  They were worried that it meant no grandchildren but I assured them that I still wanted kids haha >
  
  Awe that's sweet. Happy for you dude. 
  My dad is bi and we lived with his boyfriend for a few years when I was a kid. It's always been no big deal in our house so it makes me sad to hear about people whose parents didn't accept them. >
  
  Everyone deserves the right to come out on their own terms and timetable, but I've never had a friend come out and it been a surprise. >
  
  I have.
  We had a night out with a whole bunch of people, and for some reason that I can't remember, the gay people (3 of which we knew) all wore sailors hats.
  One of my friends asked loudly why no one told him to get a sailors hat, to which we said it's only the gay guys that wear them.
  Friend go "But i'm gay. I thought you all knew?"
  No one knew. No one even suspected. He told me later that he felt a bit weird about it, because people were congratulating him on coming out, while he thought that he'd been "out" the whole time. >
  
  Did he get a hat? >
  
  Yes he did and he wears it to this day >
  
  God how I wanted you to be OP here.
  “Like yeah, he felt a bit weird about it. Now he and his hat visit stages & shipyards the world over” >
  
  I think Noah was the last person to know. >
  
  Can’t top this comment. >
  
  But you can probably top Noah >
  
  He’s 18 now so you’re probably right. >
  
  He then proceeded to come out to the Stranger Things cast & crew, Stranger Things fan base, and various Reddit meme communities to which all parties replied: "Yes, we know!" >
  
  I have to ask--to gay people who come out, is it kind of insulting when people say "we knew"?  
  Because, like, how would they know unless you were either a) literally ogling members of the same sex, which, if you were previously closeted, you must surely have made an effort to hide before you came out, or b) you were acting in a stereotypically gay way (ex. men acting "feminine," "butch" lesbian, etc.)  
  Like. Does being reduced to a stereotype not feel kind of insulting? I get that "we knew" isn't necessarily coming from a malicious place, but if you think about it, people are basically casually admitting to profiling you and reducing you to a caricature in their heads when they see you. You're not disturbed by this? How?  Or does it annoy you but there's nothing you can do about it?  
  It's one of those uncomfortable questions I've always wondered but been too afraid to ask. >
  
  "I knew" feels like a selfish answer. It's not always with malicious intent but a lot of people use this as a way to posture instead of to make someone feel comfortable. The truth is that literally nobody can know unless they're told; you're allowed to privately think someone might not be straight, but it's disrespectful to claim to someone that you know things about them that they haven't felt comfortable to tell you yet. "Thank you for telling me" will always be a better answer >
  
  
  Thank you for telling me" will always be a better answer
  
  The truth is harsh, how do you thank someone for doing nothing but being honest about something that was already known. That's like thanking the weather guy for telling you it's gonna be a rainy day when you can already see it's raining .'we know' is a much better response than 'no shit'. "Thank you for telling me" is quite weak, if a person already knew. Their apology doesn't mean much, and it's felt by both parties. The person coming out is just gonna feel ashamed, saying I know might piss them off but that's a much easier emotion to overcome than shame >
  
  What did i just read >
  
  The unjustified logic of a self-centered asshole. >
  
  The half dozen or so people I know who ‘came out’ all were amazed that everyone’s response was “and? We knew for ages” >
  
  My daughter came out to me when she was just shy of 16. I told her that I've known since she was 6.  Her response: "I wish you would have told me!" >
  
  How did you know when she was just 6 if you don't mind me asking >
  
  My cousin’s son is gay or something along those lines (bi, pan) and it’s been obvious to everyone since he was very young. He’s only in sixth grade now, but if you knew him, you knew this. >
  
  This is something I’ve always found interesting about the whole “people choose to be gay” argument. You ask those same people making that argument who the future-gay kid was in their elementary school and they can tell you at the drop of a hat. >
  
  Because they know it isn’t a choice to BE gay, but they do believe it’s a choice to act on it. As if these people should never enjoy romantic love. >
  
  They think every guy is fighting urges to suck dicks and fuck dudes all the time and theyre mad that gay people get to do it all they want while they have to "hold back" >
  
  I had a close friend of mine come out to me and I was like “yeah dude I kinda figured” and what I found was this nonchalant reaction kind of hurt him. Maybe cause I took the wind out his sails or it was a much bigger deal to him to come out to me than I realized. And I didn’t empathize with him well enough in that moment to respect it was probably hard and took a lot of courage. We’re all good, this was years ago but yeah I wish I respected the gravity of coming out. I forget that just cause idc about any of that doesn’t mean the world holds that same perspective. >
  
  Can I just say how happy I am to see this comment? I had a debate with someone earlier today about this exact thing. They couldn’t understand why a gay person would feel less than thrilled about such a response to coming out. Seeing your comment just made me so happy that someone gets it. You didn’t say what you did to be mean, you had good intentions. You love your friend. But you realized you hurt your friend and changed your perspective. I really appreciate that. >
  
  Yeah I mean when I stop and think about it, of COURSE coming out can be intense and takes a ton of bravery to do. And this was 2013 so we had just gotten gay marriage (to put that simply) so him coming out was much more socially taboo than today. Still safe compared to say the 80’s but not easy either. But I just needed to realize that even tho I’d care for anyone no matter their background, it’s different when you’re apart of a different background. 
  Maybe the only thing I still worry about is akin to something Anthony Bourdain once said in regards to the metoo movement. Something like I hate that I’m just now hearing about this from female colleagues and friends. Was I not good enough before? Why didn’t they feel safe enough to tell me before? What was it about me that made them nervous to even bring this up? And that’s helped inform me about a lot. That while even tho I’m a very progressive person, there are still situations I’m not equipped for or knowledgeable on. And I have the opportunity to be better for my friends and family by learning this. 
  Funny aside of our friendship, he loves my straight ass opinions on dudes he’s talking to. I’m gassing him up like “you settling for some lame ass dick when you deserve top tier dick, wtf is this?” He’s been seeing a guy for a couple years now and he’s really great. >
  
  So...was Will written as gay...or was Will gay because Noah is gay?
  I feel like there were definitely some possible indicators in season one, but not definitively.
  Sorry if this is an inappropriate question. Just an "artistic process" curiosity thing. >
  
  Now im wondering if it'll turn out that will ISN'T gay and the writers were going somewhere completely different but Noahs been playing him gay without even realising he was doing it. >
  
  That'd be extreme queerbaiting lol. To me it seemed like the show was being very heavy-handed with implying Will's sexuality from season 3 onwards (maybe there were hints earlier, but I didn't pick up anything solid). Hell, Mike even straight up says "It's not our fault you don't like girls" in one of the episodes. >
  
  Yea I feel like the first season they kind of hinted in the 80s sense that he was bullied as “gay” because he was artsy and sensitive, but it wasn’t until season 3ish that the writers moved it out of 80s style subtext (glass closet style plausible deniability) and made it more 2020s style subtext (very heavy handed hints suggesting he will come out at some point in the show) >
  
  Very well put. >
  
  When I came out to my mom and step dad (I'm bi, but I'm your typical guy that works out a lot and plays sports). My mom said "no shit, from when you were 6 to 12 to would talk about how pretty some men were". When I told my dad he said "yeah I know, you talked about how pretty men and women both were when you were growing up". I don't remember that at all lol I'm just thankful neither got upset.  Especially since my dad would tell me growing up that he didn't want "a f*g for a son". I'm glad I told him after he got out of prison. >
  
  Lol this is so my daughter. I’ve known since she was about 6-7. Almost 12 now and will say how pretty actresses are, etc. Never compliments males appearances and gags/looks away when men and women kiss. 
  We’re quite open and vocal about our acceptance of people, so hopefully she finds comfort in that and will open up to us some day. I’ve dropped subtle hints but will let her do it on her own time. It’ll be like her telling me she likes eating chocolate. >
  
  That's what my mom said! When I had my first boyfriend I introduced him to my mom, but not my dad. >
  
  I’m happy to hear you have accepting parents - even if it wasn’t perfect from the start. Hope you’re living your best life in peace. >
  
  How is this oniony? 🤔 >
  
  Perhaps @op, as the only person in the world who didn't suspect Noah is gay, was unfamiliar with how common it is for family and friends to pick up on the signals long before a person makes it public. >
  
  I way actually so surprised he came out cause I wasn't aware he was closeted in the first place 😭 So happy for him but absolutely not shocked >
  
  I saw the article on Facebook and I was disheartened by all the homophobic comments. Alot of them asking for a prize for coming out as straight 🤦‍♂️ >
  
  Homosexuality wasn’t fully legalised across the US until 2003. Born in 2004 Noah is literally in the first generation of gay Americans to have grown up never having had his sexuality been illegal. If straight people want that legacy in order to claim a prize they’re welcome to it. >
  
  I hope one day this doesn’t even need to be news. It just is OK. It’s good, it’s normal >
  
  It would always be news if the person is famous. If you’re famous, and you make any announcement about anything, you’ll find someone who considers it news
  None of the news about this saying it’s weird or shocking, just “hey here’s this famous dude and he announced a big part of his life today” >
  
  I think they also mean that you won't need to announce anything. You just date who you want >
  
  To be fair some consider it "news" if famous people go grocery shopping >
  
  As much as the "we always knew" type of response was appreciated, I have to say it was also a bit of a backhanded slap in the face. I grew up feeling completely alone, hearing gay slurs tossed around daily, never seeing any other gay person around me. If people were so accepting and knew that I was gay, it would have been nice to hear a comment or two alluding to that fact or referring to support for the gay community. >
  
  We're just a few decades removed from polls showing over half the US believed consenting same-sex relationships should be a crime. And it was a slow walking down of that, not some instant plunge. 
  A lot of people conveniently forget about the horrible things they said and did earlier in life and how it affected vulnerable people around them, and instead pretend that, no, they never thought it was an issue, they never had to grow up and take account for anything, how dare you suggest they did the things they factually did before. >
  
  Worth remembering as much as this comes across as a fun silly story, Noah obviously had to overcome some internal struggle to be open about this - which his original post alludes to. He’s grown up in the public eye and had to process the possible ramifications of coming out to a very divided America at a very young age - where politically you’d be forgiven for not wanting to paint a target on yourself right now given what Fox News is saying nightly about gay people.
  I’m also aware that people were outing him on social media a few weeks ago and sharing proof from private messages. I really hope for his sake he hasn’t been forced to come out before he was ready in order to get in front of that. >
  
  
  I’m also aware that people were outing him on social media a few weeks ago and sharing proof from private messages. I really hope for his sake he hasn’t been forced to come out before he was ready in order to get in front of that.
  
  What? I didn't know that! People can be so disgusting. >
  
  Yep. >
  
  It’s great that his family has been supportive but as a gay man here’s a pro tip: “we know” isn’t always the best response. Many LGBTQ men and women spend their pre-coming out years feeling very insecure about how masculinely or femininely they present themselves, and being met with a total lack of surprise can compound that insecurity. I’m not saying that anyone should be dishonest when reacting to a reveal like that but even “I thought you might be” is better than “well, duh!” lol >
  
  "we've seen your search history" >
  
  My uncle and his sister had this exchange where he came out as gay crying and she went oh thank God I thought something was wrong let's go were late
  How is this onion >
  
  How is this r/nottheonion ?
  Is this sub is just regular news now? >
  
  That family saying "we know", is the oniony part. Though a mild onion at that. >
  
  When you’re exclusively dating guys and not women it’s pretty good indicator. Don’t even need to come out. >
  
  Will coming out as gay made total sense in Stranger Things.  I wasn't thinking about it on any level but as it became obvious, my wife and I agreed it wasn't surprising at all.  Compare that to Vanya transitioning to Viktor.  That came out of nowhere and it was written into S3 to accommodate the actor.  It's not surprising at all that in early drafts of Stranger Things Will was gay and not surprising that Viktor was forced into the script after the entire script was done. >
  
  I haven’t watched that part of Umbrella yet but I think it sounds ridiculous. They’re playing a character, not themselves. Why was that change necessary just because of what happened irl? >
  
  It works out fine in the show anyway, we are all aware Vanya is queer, they just reach a tipping point and decide that they are going to be who they want to be and not who others think they are.
  It's handled quickly and does not impact on the story IMO. >
  
  Gays take straight roles all the time. Straights take gay roles all the time. Nothing wrong with the surprise twist of a character going trans, but this just sounds gimmicky to me. >
  
  It doesn't do anything to change the character's story arc, but it does mean a lot to the actor, as well as trans people in general. Seeing a transition on screen is not something they get to see much. Representation matters.
  So while a non-queer actor can play a queer role, and vice versa, acknowledging that the actor has had a major life transition the middle of the show is extremely meaningful, and respectful of them. >
  
  Indeed representation matters, but it still feels like low hanging fruit if indeed this was added to accommodate/celebrate an actual transition as the comment section suggests. Fells like the production team cashing in on some 'atta boy' points as an afterthought. I'd find it more meaningful if such an event was written into the script pre production,  which may very well be the case. >
  
  If I remember right, Elliot Page came out as Trans right around the time that season 2 was releasing (he may even have been credited for Vanya as Elliot for that season, though I'm fuzzier on that one), so the timing would be right for the production staff to write the transition in the early stages of season 3 development. Certainly well before filming started. >
  
  I thought they made his character gay cos he was also gay >
  
  I sometimes think closeted gays overestimate how subtle they are. Good on him for coming out though. >
  
  I see stories like this and as a father it makes my heart hurt.  Does this happen as a result of a lack of communication?  A lack of awareness?  Fear of confrontation?
  I just hope these kids aren’t hurting or hopeless wondering if their families are gonna still love them while they’re both not talking about it. >
  
  I'd say part of it is fear of not being part of the norm, fear of not being accepted once it's known.  Especially when it's the people who are closest to you in life. Losing them can hurt immensely.
  And that fear can seriously poison their life. >
  
  Blame the bowl cut >
  
  I don't understand this story at all, but maybe that's because I'm disconnected from celebrity happenings. I thought the age of the big celebrity announcement of coming out wasn't really a thing anymore. How does this work currently? I thought this was largely not the audience's business anymore, but maybe that's my incorrect assumption. 
  Celebrity comes out. Family, friends and everyone are not only completely accepting, they didn't even need to be told, because they had this information already, and it's not a big deal. 
  OK sounds good to me. 👍 >
  
  I think this is what makes it "newsworthy". Seems like he was the last to know. >
  
  I keep saying giving a kid a bowl haircut will mess them up >
  
  Not oniony, very believable >
  
  wrong sub >
  
  I think his character is gay on Stranger Things as well >
  
  Reverse method acting. >
  
  Kinda figured that actually >
  
  I look forward to the day that nobody cares who is cuddling with who. >
  
  Most people don't unless they're cuddling with children. >
  
  The fact this is a news article suggests otherwise. >
  
  "You've been friends with Milly for years and haven't tried anything yet. What did you think we were thinking?" >
  
  My sister: "Hey come i need to tell you something"
  Me: "Yeah what's up ?"
  Sister: "I have a girlfriend and you already met her"
  Me: "Okay ?"
  Sister: "Did you expect that of me ?"
  Me: "I would've been surprised if you weren't gay" >
  
  I thought he was already out >
  
  Everyone knew Noah Schnapp was gay except Noah Schnapp >
  
  I really don't care if anyone is coming out at this point as it's so normal and common.  This is the point we needed to get to. >
  
  I thought he had already came out gay tbh >
  
  I didn’t realize he wasn’t out yet