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  Football fans have a special pass in the uk that nobody else gets. Everything stops for football. Can’t make plans if there is footy on - Saturday is sacred - as well as any other day a game is on. They get to stand around analysing every aspect of the game but don’t get called boring geeks as they would do if it was anything else they were talking about. A massive majority feel it adds to their masculinity even though it’s just watching men in shorts running around and hugging each other.
context: Ah yes but footy fans have a love hate relationship with a football club where Kpop fans just love all the time. The two are not the same, a football club is more complex with individual players, managers and owners. All come and go, sometimes yearly and more than that for managers. >
  
  it's actually quite similar in that sense too! idols within a group all have different positions (leader, main vocalist etc) and they often do their own work as a solo artist too, and depending on how well the group they often leave and move to another company when their contract finishes which is usually 2 years! Plus a lot of kpop fans despise the owners of the entertainment companies and their managers for many reasons not relevant to the post! We also try to hold idol's accountable for the shit they do and call them out when necessary! >
  
  You're just talking about fandom in general. Not every football "fan" engages in these behaviours, and doubtless neither does every Kpop fan >
  
  Of course it's general! By no means do I think that every single person in every single fandom behaves like this but the majority are like this! >
  
  Not the majority the reason you only see the "special" fans is because there the only ones who care enough to go to the event >
  
  There's going to be similarities between fans of anything because that's what it means to be a fan - that you really like something and follow it as a kind of hobby with a degree of enthusiasm.
  You could draw similarities between kpop and stamp collecting or anything else. It's kind of trivial. >
  
  I'm aware that you could draw these similarities between all fandoms, but my point with this is that in my personal experience and many other people I know's experience there's such a divide between the football and kpop communities usually because footy fans enjoy taking the piss out of us when in reality we aren't much different! >
  
  That's just drawing another similarity.
  I remember being school and people would argue about whether industrial metal was lame or not. Power metal was similarly frowned upon.
  You look into any kind of fandom like this you'll find the cliques and the tribes and their disputes.
  I still wouldn't describe teens arguing about kpop and football hooligans tearing up a pub before a game as "the same". >
  
  I think you're missing my point. I'm not trying to say footy/kpop fans are different from all other fans, I'm saying I don't understand why we fight when we aren't much different! I know that fandoms in general are all the same - that's the point. >
  
  No, you're missing my point.
  You can draw similarities between them, and I'm not arguing with them, I'm saying it's really trivial to then say "See, they're the same".
  I can't turn up to an F1 race in my Qashqai and be like "But there's so many similarities, it's the same!".
  So yeah, all these fandom have these broad similarities and that's why we use the word "fan" to describe them. That's not unpopular as an opinion, it's close enough to use literally the same word - fan. But to say they're "the same" is ignoring all the myriad differences between groups and pointing to the most superficial characteristics. >
  
  You still don't seem to understand what i'm trying to say. In MY experience, people think that kpop fans and football fans are different (predominantly due to the fact that one is dominated by men and one by women). Yes it's trivial - but when someone is being bullied for liking a certain music while the person doing the bullying has the exact same fan culture it's stupid. >
  
  People like me think Kpop fans and football fans are different because we can point to obvious differences.
  Like how many times to Kpop bands have organised crime groups attached who arrange for violent encounters between fans before their bands holds a concert together? Do Kpop fans have a heavy drinking culture attached? Do Kpop fans argue over tactics and strategy? Do Kpop fans celebrate big wins in the Kpop league or cup finals? One is music and the other is sport, so none of those things happen the same way. Perhaps you'll find some more broad analogies but it's obviously different.
  And then you say things like "the exact same fan culture". They're not "the exact same". They're very broadly similar enough that we call both groups "fans" but they're absolutely not "the exact same". >
  
  Actually the only thing you've mentioned here that kpop fans DON'T do is have a heavy drinking culture. Many bands say things about other bands to put their fans against eachother and have a higher likelihood at winning awards, we do argue over "tactics and strategy" such as what we think the company should be doing with the group and what we think they've don't wrong, fans ALWAYS celebrate when groups win big awards for example bts just won their 71st daesangs (the highest music award in SK) and there were parties. >
  
  Yeah, so now you want to say that "what the company should be doing" is the "same" as discussing specific tactics in a sports match. Which is just you being really superficial in your comparison and then saying "it's the exact same!".
  Or that winning a popularity contest like an award is "the exact same" as winning a sporting competition.
  Again, if you draw broad comparisons then I'm not disagreeing. Yeah, in a very broad sense all fandoms are similar. We've been over that. But that's just superficial and ignoring all the differences. It's fine to  make the superficial comparison, but then you can't say "the exact same".
  I might be genuinely ignorant about kpop, but where's the organised violence between fans the way it happens in football? I kind of want to see it. >
  
  it's not really me being superficial, it really is quite similar in the sense that football fans discuss the tactics on how to win matches, kpop fans discuss the companies tactics on how to make the group gain popularity and win awards. I by no means think that that are literally exactly the same that's not what I meant. I just mean that they are a lot more similar than what football fans would like to admit! 
  As for for kpop violence I can't remember what groups it was as it happened a few years ago now in like 2016 but i'll do some digging to find the names again but what happened is one group said that they didn't like another group as they had trained together and fought, so their fans brought lasers to the other groups concert to attempt to blind them and ended up burning a few of the members - not badly but still burns nonetheless. There's also been countless times when fans of rival groups have beaten each other to the point of needing medical attention. >
  
  
  football fans through match attacks 
  
  Aye, maybe if your aged between 4 and 10 lol. >
  
  I know of a few men in their 40's that still collect them! They have huge binders filled with them!