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  It's really frustrating when companies try to come in and relabel things to fit their narrative. It confuses new members and alienates established members that use those layouts, because according to you HHKB layouts originate from 65, and there's nothing further from the truth. 
  Here's the thing. It is an HHKB. It doesn't originate from a 65. You wanted to take the HHKB looks and add some sort of top level arrow keys, so you added a touchbar. Saying that it originates from a 65 is just not true. HHKB refers first to the layout, while this doesn't have traditional HHKB's split backspace, it does have the signature 1-1.5-7-1.5-1 HHKB bottom row. However just because it's full split doesn't mean that it originates from a 65. Plenty of people use full backspace with HHKB layouts. Almost every single HHKB custom supports it, except for fixed layout hotswap boards. It's not a 65.
context: That sure is a 60%. Almost HHKB but a 2u backspace.
  Maybe hop off the hype train tho >
  
  No no no, don't you see, this is actually a tenkeyless, navless, arrowless, frowless full size with an added touch panel and an hhkb bottom row >
  
  I appreciate trying new things, but I don't see a better 65% here.  I see a HHKB with a broken layout and an impractical gimmick.
  I think if people wanted touchpads, we would see a lot more of those Apple Magic Touchpads on people's desks.  As it stands, I don't know a single office professional that uses one of those.
  I mean, at least add the option for the split backspace? >
  
  I do see a lot of the touchpads. People who know all the swipe gestures love it. >
  
  I used to use them all in college, but that was mostly a profuct of living on my macbook with no peripherals in order to be able to move and set up faster.  Havent missed them since, cant imagine wanting one on my desk.
  I'd almost prefer an itty bitty joystick or something.  Maybe opposite a volume knob for symmetry? >
  
  It is closer to a 60% or HHKB + arrows.
  Calling it a 65% is just misleading on an other level. >
  
  It is indeed not a 65%, but a layout where we retain some fundamental user habits of most 65%. It is simplified from 65% and that's why we call it 65 Less. >
  
  This is not any form of a 65%. It is a modified HHKB with touchpad. >
  
  For people who spend time, money and effort on perfecting the feel and sound of mechanical buttons, I can’t think of anything worse than replacing some of them with a touchpad. 
  But that’s just me and I’m not in the business of selling keebs so what do I know, hope you’re able to find the market for these. Good luck. >
  
  I'm NOT a fan of touch pads but I can see how with that placement the left/right can start to feel more natural after a while of use. I'd definitely be willing to give it a try. For me at least the placement makes it look easier to hit Left and Right with my thumbs than it currently is with my pinky. >
  
  While I totally agree, this “layout” also alienates any wrist rest user. It is unique and I’m happy to see new things, but I don’t think this is what the community is looking for. (I also could be out of touch 🤷🏻‍♂️) >
  
  It may work well with a split wrist rest, but I do see what you mean. >
  
  Bad idea made reality >
  
  I see the folks at Angry Miao still can't count, nor use proper layout definitions. Furthermore, it would be very interesting to see the project going forward since this is a carbon copy of an implementation that has literally a live international patent. 
  GG >
  
  It already sold in china...so this isn't really an interest check either >
  
  facts >
  
  This is a 60%. The % is about the number of physical keys and the size, it has nothing to do with the functionality. By this keyboard’s logic, all cell phones have a built in 100% keyboard
  A 65% having an FN key doesn’t make it a 75%, a 60% having a touchpad doesn’t make it a 65% >
  
  Agreed. That's why we do not think this keyboard fits any layout category though. >
  
  ❌ : HHKB with a (controversial) Touch Panel
  ✅ : AM 65 Less >
  
  
  
  Most 65% boards offer 2U and split BS for a reason. If split BS wasn’t so common they wouldn’t go through the trouble of doing it. 
  
  
  Anyone that has used layers for 5 seconds can see how pressing 2 keys easily accessible through your home row position is easier than using a gimmicky touchpad in the front face of the keyboard - so that’s not an ergonomic nor functional change. 
  
  
  If you had marketed the board with its unique features rather than claiming how “innovative” it is, I think people would’ve liked it more. It’s just a 2U backspace HHKB with a touchpad >
  
  What's the front height of the board? Cuz it looks like it's gonna be pretty high from the looks of the video. I imagine most people would need to use a wrist rest for this board....but then that will block the touch panel. >
  
  I don’t think adding a touch bar makes HHKB more practical. It already was perfectly practical. Some people don’t want to use layers to get to nav keys, and some people are fine with it. It feels like the touchpad is going to be a gimmick that the vast majority of users will try once and then either shelf this board because they can’t get used to a HHKB layout or they will continue to use it as a standard HHKB. >
  
  The layout indeed looks like an HHKB, but actually originates from 65% and seeks to simplify it. Arrow keys are crucial in 65% layout so we'are trying our best to make the touch panel practical but not just a gimmick. 
  In this video we even used the touch panel to play GTA San Andreas.
  And here we we demoed swipe & hold to control volume and press forward/backward a video clip.
  In terms of sensitivity, you can get about 80-90% experience of traditional arrow keys. This is a number we still want to further improve upon.