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  If so, why are they making such a big deal about the far right Republicans?
  
  Because the McCarthyites control the House and will punish any other McCarthyites who vote with Democrats to keep US government functioning.  
  As we saw, very few GOP'ers broke with party over the McCarthyites attempt to overthrow US government.   To get just six(?) to keep government operating will be even harder.
context: Fuckers are going to set the country on fire. 
  Brightside is that after a long enough government shutdown when that huge group of Republican supporters stop receiving Social Security Checks they're going to get very angry very fast. >
  
  
  Fuckers are going to set the country on fire.
  
  They will try but with Democratic Senate protecting US, it is only the Debt Limit vote that gives them any leverage.
  McCarthy and the MAGA GOP he represents will be able initiate a shutdown.  
  The question is how long will it take for seven GOP House members to vote for US vs. Trump. >
  
  I honestly don’t think it would take long at all for just 6 of them to flip to avoid a default. >
  
  It means death threats to their families and end of their political career in MAGA/GOP. >
  
  They’ve been crossing the aisle to vote with the democrats much more often since Biden has been president compared to when Obama was, when they basically totally obstructed. And the MAGA dipshits clearly are losing power, given how the midterms shook out. >
  
  
  And the MAGA dipshits clearly are losing power, given how the midterms shook out.
  
  Not in the primaries though, and that is one of the things that the crazies in the GOP have done effectively. They've either primary'd out a lot of your purple Republicans who would swing on a debt ceiling vote, or scared the ones that remain with the threat of a primary. >
  
  
  Economists, Wall Street analysts and political observers are warning that the concessions he made to fiscal conservatives could make it very difficult for Mr. McCarthy to muster the votes to  raise the debt limit. That could prevent Congress from doing the basic 
  tasks of keeping the government open, paying the country’s bills and avoiding default on America’s trillions of dollars in debt.
  
  McCarthy IS one of the right wing ideologues (they are not fiscal conservatives in any sense of the word) who will use the Newt Gingrich GOP tactic of shutting down the government to try and extort right wing white supremacist (aka GOP) laws such as ban on abortions, support for Putin's invasion of Ukraine, voter suppression, increase in pollution by industry, attacks on science from anti-vaccine, attacks on Social Security and Medicare.
  The Democratic Senate can stop most of it but US needs to prepare now for the GOP shutting down the government via the debt limit votes.
  Bright side is that with such a slim majority, all it takes are 7 GOP House members to vote with Democrats to keep government operating. >
  
  I think only 6 >
  
  Lets see 213 Democrats so I guess only five?  218's the majority? >
  
  I think they’re at 212 >
  
  And when the county defaults, they will blame the democrats and their voters will believe them. >
  
  It doesn't matter who the McCarthyites blame, public will know it is the McCarthyites. >
  
  If that were true, the GOP wouldn't have the house in the first place. >
  
  To be fair, if it wasnt for some disastrous gerrymandering rulings in some states dems likely wouldve retained the majority. And there was supposed to be this red wave remember? That fizzled out, i think more of tje population is with us that we realize. Gerrymandering and voter suppression obscure that. That being said, feel like dems will still end up taking the blame on this somehow. Would love for them to be able to avoid it but not sure how they would manage that. >
  
  The republicans are going to default on the debt eventually if they continue on their current trajectory. 
  Does anyone really believe that an MTG or Bobo understand enough about economics and the world economy to know the damage they would do? They don’t, they don’t understand anything, conservatives are going to destroy this country because they can’t get their way all the time. >
  
  They don’t but their corporate donors don’t want a default and will pressure them. What they do then is the question… >
  
  It’s a different set of republicans we are talking about here. Christian fascists who are following orders given by a different set of nuts. >
  
  Even outside of the 14th amendment clause, there is a really good argument that passing the budget by extension raises the debt ceiling as it is impossible to not spend the required budget ( already settled law ) with implicitly borrowing to do so.
  Either way, I have a feeling debt ceiling probably going to be ruled unconstitutional within the decade. >
  
  I used to be a federal worker. When the govt shut down over these sorts of fights, me and coworkers didn’t get paid but still had to work until it was resolved (we did get back pay, but still). 
  Super glad I don’t work for govt anymore. I can’t imagine having to spend the next two years with my paycheck in the hands of these chuckleheads. >
  
  Workers have nine months to prepare for a likely 90 day shutdown October through to January 2024.
  Borrowing from Federal Employees Thrift Savings Plan is the best option as it can be repaid if/when government is refunded. >
  
  I've been saying it.... It's all fun and entertaining until these fuckers start deliberately start trying to break the government. >
  
  And they will this time. There's no line they won't cross. >
  
  Fears?
  It's a foregone conclusion. >
  
  So when there is the vote to raise the debt ceiling this fall, all house democrats would vote for it and a previous comment mentioned only 6 or 7 Republicans would be needed to vote for it. So then it seems the far right Republicans that were such a hassle in the speaker vote are powerless because the democrats don't need their votes, only 6 or 7 of the most moderate Republicans. Is this correct? If so, why are they making such a big deal about the far right Republicans?