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  Excellent idea, just do that.
context: Saudi Arabia is just rich north korea >
  
  ya so why is any wiki staff there? it's an unhealthy work environment >
  
  Wikipedia is built by a colourful staff of folks that take it very seriously from around the globe. I've just started editing, but I've been so impressed at how fast and professional everyone is. They were likely working on the Arabic version. >
  
  Wikipedia is primarily built by editors (normal people) rather than staff employed by Wikimedia. The staff is primarily about administration, fundraising, and moderating disputes between editors. >
  
  True, that being said, you’d need some staff fluent in Arabic to moderate a dispute about an Arabic article. >
  
  You don’t have to live in Saudi Arabia to be fluent in Arabic. >
  
  They're about 8% of Arab world population and arguably the largest rich (ie educated and technologically enabled) Arab country by population. 
  Morocco is just a bit bigger and has a much freer press environment though and also probably relatively higher income than the average for such countries. 
  Morocco is press freedom rank in the 130s and KSA in the 160s (hence home of the Khashoggi shitshow).
  Algeria has similarly free press as Morocco. All the other bigger Arab countries have shittier press rankings than Morocco and Algeria do. 
  However Morocco and Algeria have 1/10th GDP per capita of KSA. Ergo the conclusion is that it's going to be pretty hard to do business in that region of the world in a place with both wealth and press freedom and a large population. You can't find a place with a high score in each simultaneously. 
  Egypt is very large but equally poor as the other two with disastrous press freedom since the Arab spring collapsed. >
  
  While we in Saudi Arabia have a large population of like 35m, only around 20m are Saudis. Egypt has a much larger population, are in a way very connected to Arabic that would be used to write articles (the Arabic every country speaks is different than the Arabic used to formally write so this is important), and have a rep of doing lots of tech work as much of the freelancing is there >
  
  They are not tolerant to other races and are known for homophobia >
  
  I can't wait for us to kick our oil habit so we don't have to keep averting our eyes from these human shit piles.  It's like knowing your smack dealer diddles kids but you keep going back. >
  
  we won't until every last drop is gone. there's nothing more energy dense for the price. planes need it. generators. long-distance driving
  all those trillions and they still can't build a real country >
  
  while I agree for planes, you can replace a large share of electricity and energy generation with nuclear power or other green options
  see: vogtle and electric cars and all that jazz
  and Saudis.. I don't know much about their infrastructure and society other than a bit of why it's not a place I'll go to >
  
  Airbus is building 3 different size Hydrogen powered airplane prototypes, seems way more promising than 10 years ago >
  
  Yes, liquid hydrogen is actually several times more energy dense than jet fuel.  It is a substitute that has a lot of promise.  The problem is that it comes with its own set of engineering problems and aircraft companies have had generations to work out all the bugs with using fossil fuels.  It also requires its own infrastructure that practically no airports are renovating to be able to support.  There also isn't any government support for specifically the aerodynamics industry yet (although the 2022 IRA act extends some tax credits and applies new ones to Hydrogen fuel cell investment and hydrogen production investment).  Still, it is unlikely existing subsidies will be enough to close the gap in cost between running a plane on fossil fuels vs hydrogen. >
  
  Worked out all the bugs..
  Except that little one where the entire planet becomes completely uninhabitable after 100 years of heavy fossil fuel use, more or less. lol >
  
  That's what they said. No more bugs. >
  
  Stupid. More effective to setup a content farm themselves. >
  
  That's a fiddly new thing that takes effort to set up and run. Jailing dissidents is a tried and tested tool they successfully used many times in the past. >
  
  Porque no los dos?
  When resources are unlimited
  Might as well do both >
  
  Porque no los dos = Because not both  
  Por qué no los dos = Why not both? >
  
  Oops thank you >
  
  So Saudi wants to dissappear people through the internet...
  You can't jail the world, you jerks. >
  
  
  You can't jail the world, you jerks.
  
  Saudi: Wanna bet? >
  
  what are they gonna do? Throw oil at us? Lol >
  
  how about a plane? >
  
  That is not in their options anymore because of availability >
  
  I know it is tempting to deal with the ultra rich but people need to think twice with the Saudis. I would advise never doing business inside their country or embassies. They obviously care little for life. >
  
  Unfortunately, even setting aside the oil, they are geopolitically valuable as a check on Iran. >
  
  For now. >
  
  Well sure, stuff changes and I'm sure when the oil money stops that whole region is going to implode and then who knows. But so long as the Arabian Peninsula has military powers aligned against one of the 5 major enemies the US names in its national security strategy, the US is going to be friendly with those military powers because that is what is in its best interest. >
  
  When the oil would get out of trend, then these countries would realise >
  
  Vile country >
  
  Is it the country's fault it has a dictator at its helm? >
  
  
  Saudi Arabia jails Wikipedia staff
  
  you: this story is actually about America >
  
  Redditors are actually brain dead, they can’t help but to bring up the US at any moment possible >
  
  Hope this won’t affect our arms sales and military support. 
  jk of course it won’t >
  
  we have the biggest, destructiest, most expensive war machine in the history of the known universe. so no, nothing will stop the industry while energy is cheap. certainly not a few murders among friends >
  
  
  history of the known universe
  
  Wait till the Trisolarans get here... >
  
  They'll just send a human-sized bullet into the earth at 2% the speed of light. >
  
  Just keep the spaceships in a very loose formation this time ok? >
  
  Why? It's a guaranteed victory. It's merely a formality... >
  
  That would not guarantee the victory in any war for sure. >
  
  Why the fuck people got to bug with wikipedia? 
  Straight up villian shit >
  
  Because if you're a piece of shit, you don't like it when someone publishes the sourced details of why that is. Wikipedia is a modern gem and we all take its existence for granted. >
  
  People are aware SA partly owns Twitter right?  Not good >
  
  They have been owning the Twitter from starting, with Jack Dorsey. >
  
  You can trust Saudi to imprison and murder it's way towards gaslighting the world.
  Another 2nd-world country.  Having money through a quirk of geology doesn't mean you have class. >
  
  The original terminologies for first, second, and third-world refer to US and Allies, USSR and Allies, and non-allies respectively (so Switzerland was a third-world country with this definition). Over time, the common usage changed to refer third world as developing nations rather than non-allies post cold war, as many of them were. >
  
  Saudi Arabia is just salty dictatorship >
  
  And they are praised by some other muslim countries like Pakistan >
  
  Naturally FIFA will now award them the World Cup >
  
  There are Wikipedia staff in Saudi Arabia? >
  
  I would assume Saudi citizens that work on the Arabic language version. >
  
  They apparently don't know how wikipedia works.... >
  
  Not the first time it happened:
  
  
  Russia
  
  
  CCP - suspected
  
  
  Edit: Since this comment is blowing up, I want to add that Wikipedia's editing community is already too toxic by themselves and is easily manipulated provided you have the time, resources and friends to do so. There are too many stories on Wikipediocracy, Wikipediasucks.co where editors of all political stripes are forced out through spurious applications of rules enforcement all the time. 
  Some would-be productive editors lashed out by becoming vandals, and I'd never understand the drive behind irrational deletionism these days, although it might have something to do with declining educational standards in the US. 
  For one exposed state-sponsored attempts there could be tens, if not hundreds others, ongoing now. In fact, one of the Saudi editors had softened descriptions of Khasoggi prior to assassination. >
  
  Thanks for actually sharing more relevant content about what this means for Wikipedia. This thread is filled with the same jokes and comments about Saudi Arabia. I get it and I agree that countries need to reduce their dependency on SA, but it's just the same thing comment over and over again. 
  I've been curious about what editing culture is like for those that are more active. Is there any kind of movement to restructure the editing to deal with some of these issues? >
  
  The main issue is a little bit bureaucracy, a little bit passionate people coming head to head with other passionate people, and a little bit encyclopedia researchers not necessarily being known for great people skills.
  That said, the main issue is usually bureaucracy and convoluted rules that you generally might have to break to learn exist. (Or go out of your way to find the exact help page for that sub community.) For example, ancestry.com isn't usually a valid source. It uses user generated content and the work may not be checked by a second person. That said, certain sections of it may have clear sources that are acceptable, such as photographs of old newspapers with clear providence. 
  So your edit might get removed with a little tag saying, "unsuitable source" or something while another edit gets left behind with a similar source and it's not exactly clear why. You might have done several edits with similar sourcing and now some overzealous source checker might revert almost all of your hard work without even blinking or leaving a note. (That's frowned upon. Leave a polite note. But it still happens.)
  I run Wikipedia programs at my work, but it's not a big hobby for me. I know only a little more than the average Joe. >
  
  Another country I will never, ever, visit. >
  
  Fuck Saudi Arabia >
  
  They've infiltrated the US and UK governments with agents and collaborators. They've chopped up a journalist on foreign soil. Why wouldn't we think this too debased even for them? >
  
  Leave it to Saudi Arabia to jail people when all they had to do was sign the fuck in to change whatever they want. >
  
  That government is too stupid and spoiled to figure that out. >
  
  Perfect description >
  
  The Saudi’s really have God level money. MFs killed a US journalist, bought a US president, and still get US weapons and protection. Literally untouchable >
  
  And don’t forget bank-rolled 9/11 and probably dreamed it up too. >
  
  the evidence point to Qatar how did we bank rolled it I will never anyway release the 28 blank papers that the US is milking >
  
  Yes... >
  
  Fuck the house of Saud. >
  
  USA ally btw...Oil runs the fucking world >
  
  And these guys want to host a World Cup? And are under consideration by FIFA for even a nanosecond?
  Glad I boycotted the Qatar cup. Will gladly do so again if SA gets anywhere near a WC host gig. >
  
  Qatar hosted one. Not a stretch to think SA will be awarded one. 
  It’s about who will shamelessly bribe fifa. >
  
  Also the FIFA president has approached North-Korea to cohost Women's World Cup and bond with South-Korea. 
  
  The president revealed that he had visited North Korea a few years ago to see if they would host the Women’s World Cup.
  He said: “Any country can host an event. If North Korea wants to host something.
  “Well, I was not successful, obviously, but I would go another 100 times if it would help.
  “Only engagement can bring real change. We’re a global organisation and want to remain an organisation that unites the world.” >
  
  Well, they can already buy whatever censorship they want from Elon on Twitter now.  Guess they figured it was time to silence all truth and end fact-checking. >
  
  Ya this is why nobody in their right mind should travel to these "Kingdoms", so easy to lose your life to them over a political intrigue you have nothing to do with.  Its barbaric. >
  
  Literal lives taken away for no reason and we do business with this country. One of the worlds most known figures has just gone to finish his career there. Why don’t they get the same treatment as other countries that do the same? >
  
  Woah... such a surprise.... terrorists hate free press? No. Way. >
  
  Wikipedia has been infiltrated for a long while, by editors with specific agendas in particular areas. Just look at the page on veganism there for an example. >
  
  good thing they dont own twitter >
  
  A Saudi prince owns part of it now. >
  
  yes i was being facetious >
  
  I have some ancestors who did some things. Books written by their opposition have bad info. I get wrecked trying to correct wiki. A spade is a spade. Saudis steal children and call them their wives. They cover their heads so their parents cannot find them. Foreign slave wives are preferred. Talk about that. The grown men who work in journalism know what they are up against, and that is why they sacrifice their lives. They know it before they take the job. Focus on the people they are trying to save, not on the martyrs who willing cede to the night. >
  
  Why the hell are any Wiki staff even IN SA?? >
  
  I think this is just bad journalism. Calling them 'staff' is beyond generous because it's very misleading.  I believe what this article refers to are Saudi citizens who edit wikipedia as a hobby, like most if not all wikipedia editors.  Referring to them as "wikipedia's ranks" may be imprecise but it's better than Wikimedia playing the other side, saying 'they're just volunteers,' and not standing up for them, or at least speaking up for them. >
  
  Thats so much worse >
  
  Sounds like a job for Reddit to make whatever changes are needed and keep them that way. >
  
  It’s great that anyone can freely edit the FREE encyclopaedia - until it isn’t. >
  
  Fuck Saudi Arabia, I’m donating some money to Wikipedia. >
  
  Of all the anti-middle east social media websites, never wouldve guessed they felt threatened by wikipedia lol >
  
  “Wikimedia’s investigation revealed that the Saudi government had infiltrated the highest ranks in Wikipedia’s team in the region
  The "region" should not be allowed any responsibility on the site, until they can prove they have the require levels of decency required for the role. >
  
  Or split the site - Saudi Arabia ‘official government approved site’
  And alternative ‘Saudi Arabia’ site !
  So that people can freely inspect the differences.