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  These morons were elected for exactly this. They want a dysfunctional government.
context: While I don't think it will affect 2024 too significantly, it will be a helpful soundbite for Democrats to remind voters that Republicans only bring instability and chaos to politics. A good example for voters that Republicans cant get anything done, not even elect their own Speaker. >
  
  I mean all they need to do is constantly show that clip of Kevin fighting with Matt Gaetz on the house floor to prove their point 💀😭 >
  
  The people who voted in these idiots aren't the kind to remember 2 years later how inept the people they voted for were. >
  
  I mean obstruction is the goal, and the party managed to waste a week doing nothing so they are doing what the voters want. >
  
  Voters have comically short attention spans. No one will be thinking about this come 2024. The only things that matter are things that happen in the 1-4ish months before the election, maybe up to 6 months on presidential election years. Unless the GOP still hasn't nominated a speaker by mid 2024 or if it becomes regular for the 5 to challenge the speaker and put it back up to a vote this will have no effect on the 2024 election. >
  
  Ehh...if this is any sign as to how the house will operate, we are in for 2 years of a shit show. Voters may not remember this specific incident, but more will come. >
  
  The speaker vote, itself? Not at all.
  The chaos that the 118th Congress will be over the next two years? Absolutely. Anyone who thinks this week isn't a preview of what's to come is in for a rude awakening. >
  
  I think this is the worst possible outcome for Republicans, legitimately. 
  The had net -1 Senate seats in the midterm, and a house majority so thin it took 15 votes for them to finally pick a leader. To even get to that point, the GOP has agreed to any and every demand of the extreme right. 
  They had such a bad showing because independents rejected GOP candidates who were extreme right and endorsed by Trump. This is only going to make them far more unpopular with independents, which worsens their electoral chances. 
  The absolute chaos this week, completely owned by the Republican Party, just puts this all front and center. I wish them luck in convincing independents that they can be sane leaders not driven by conspiracy. >
  
  This taking forever doesn't really change anything for 2024. What it does change is how the House is going to operate for the next two years. McCarthy is probably getting it after promising the world to the holdouts, and I can't imagine what they want being super popular.
  I'd be shocked if we don't have at least one shutdown this year. >
  
  I'm curious; do you (or anyone else really) feel like if McCarthy over-promises to the holdouts and they start yanking on the leverage they're given, that it might potentially drive the more 'moderate' Republicans away? >
  
  Assuming one of the negotiations McCarthy agreed to was to allow for any R to initiate a vote to remove him as speaker, there are possibilities.
  The biggest thing I can see is that the radicals made him promise to do a shutdown if they don't get what they want in the budget this year. Ds can probably just dig in their heels and wait for a few Rs who are vulnerable to crack. The R majority is only about 4 people, and enough Rs were elected in Biden districts that they should know that if Rs are complete clowns in the next 2 years there's a pretty good chance they won't win re-election. Ds hold the Senate by a slim majority but they also have the Presidency. They're favored to win a war of attrition that Rs will probably initiate for silly reasons. >
  
  The only affect will be all in the end product is that of the republican acclamation of commitment towards the poor and working class, such as in regards to children, seniors and veterans there shall be no cuts to entitlements/benefits across the board but only enhancements across the board and a tax code that doesn't coddle wealth will be the determination of 2024. >
  
  Probably won’t, but Republicans need to show that they’re actually serious about governing. I think they’re on thin ice already for 2024, they made minimal gains this past midterm, and Democratic turnout was very mediocre >
  
  With a majority in just the House, I don't think most people on any side are going to hold Republicans responsible for governance, and the far right will laud them for the dysfunction.
  I do think that people won't remember a prolonged shutdown fondly, but Democrats are typically ineffective at explaining why it's not their fault. If Republicans shut down the government to defund social security or Medicare, I worry that Democrats won't be able to articulate why they aren't giving in. >
  
  Republicans struggled to win a majority (a borderline historically low number of pickups in an off year midterm) because republican and Independent voters are sick of them being crazy, and democrats were able to message that successfully in 2022… >
  
  I think they did a great job in 2018 as well, but it doesn't seem like there's enough history to prove a trend yet. I hope you're right. >
  
  A majority of independent voters voted for democrats this year, in an absolutely terrible political environment for democrats, democrats lost no incumbent senators, the first time that’s happened for any party since 1934, Democrats only lost 1 incumbent gubernatorial election, democrats gained in state legislatures, SOS and attorney Generals, while only losing 9 house seats….
  That’s not a “trend” but that’s a dire warning, and it’s a dire warning because it’s not an opinion it’s a fact: Democratic voter turnout this year was mediocre. It was mediocre in urban areas especially >
  
  The local election results in particular should be a warning to Rs. They used to crush local elections as many D voters had tunnel vision for just the Presidency.
  With the Supreme Court now making it a local issue, most R states are making abortion either illegal entirely or putting incredibly limiting restrictions on it. Stories like the Ohio 10 year old are going to keep popping up unless Rs fold entirely on abortion, which we know they won't. Ds now suddenly have a big reason to vote for them in state legislature and governor races that didn't exist in the past.
  This, along with Rs just not making a good case that they'd govern better than Ds in general, are what I believe to be the two biggest reasons why Rs need to get serious and drop the loons if they want to avoid another 2022 in the future. >
  
  Theoretically, I would think it would make Republicans a bit wary of their party's ability to lead. >
  
  If you can't organise or manage your own party , how are you going to manage a national economy ?
  This is the only thing people need to be reminded of. >
  
  This is nothing when it comes to 2024.  Most other countries with a westminster parliamentary have a shitshow every time they try to form coalitions.  The USA mostly forms coalitions before the elections and our coalitions last decades.  
  There will be some wheeling and dealing behind closed doors, and McCarthy will be elected speaker.  Its funny to me how this generates so much chatter in the US, when this is routine for much of the world that reddit cares about. >
  
  This drama will have little to no effect on 2024. This so-called drama only went on for four days. They have 730 days to govern. 2024 will be about Biden and his stewardship of the economy and the country or lack thereof. 
  I think a bigger issue for 2024 is whether the Congress can get back to Regular Order and reduce the deficit spending. >
  
  Republicans had a pretty terrible election In 2022, mostly because voters said they are tired of them being clowns, and that is with Democratic voter turnout being incredibly mediocre. 
  2024 will be more about republicans not being clowns than Biden. Voters are getting fucking sick of it. The county is not a good place economically and voters still largely rejected republicans across the board >
  
  Except they won the majority in Congress. That is NOT having a terrible election. They picked up 15 seats in 2020 and 12 in 2022. >
  
  It will be forgotten in 2 weeks. In 2024 after the republicans force funding to end for Ukraine they’ll be saying “how could democrats let Russia win? We spent all that money and they still couldn’t get it done.” >
  
  While the vote itself probably won’t be the thing that sways voters, it’s a heavy sign of a much much larger problem for conservatives: the threat of a split within the republican party toward the creation of a new, Trump-leaning (and potentially led) third party. Republicans need to cross their fingers and make sure that McCarthy as speaker works for their constituents, because if they wind up with a lame duck house or more squabbling with each other that could be a HUGE factor for 2024… it might determine who else runs for President. >
  
  My hope is it will weaken the duopoly and help the Forward Party get a dozen or so members elected to the House along with one or two Senators. 
  Even such a small third party presence would shift us from voting on party lines to negotiating and compromising as the default work mode since neither current party could ever hold a complete majority again. 
  That’s my hope at least. A boy can dream. >
  
  If there’s ever going to be a third party that actually wins a seat, the forward party ain’t it >
  
  We shall see, I suppose. >
  
  The people that voted for these insurrectionists don't care about a functioning democracy. They don't want one. They have been taught their whole lives that the government is their enemy. They will actually die on this hill.  
  The sooner everyone else realizes this and counter organizes to end this crap the sooner it's over. But if you're holding your breath waiting for the anti-vax-COVID-hoax-Trump-is-the-resurrection-of-christ-Jan6-was-antifa voting bloc to come to their senses.... you're probably going to continue to act surprised and feign disappointment for a long time to come.