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  Crickets in /r/Conservative. I'd post it there, but I'm banned.
context: So many self described patriots pleading the 5th to skirt around the truth. Absolutely shameless. >
  
  I often find those that proclaim themselves to be "patriots" often aren't. >
  
  Any man who must say, "I am the king" is no true king, or something >
  
  Margaret Thatcher, IIRC. >
  
  Margaret Lannister >
  
  A reminder that MeShawn Maddock, MIGOP chair, stated that she was asked by the Trump campaign to submit herself as a fake elector.
  AND SHE DID.
  So she blames Trump openly, too, but still goosestepped. >
  
  There seem to be hundreds of actions like this that would have been considered horrific and exceptional a few years before Trump.
  Hard to believe so few have been convicted yet. >
  
  Wow. It almost sounds treasonous to me. >
  
  He may have committed some light treason. >
  
  Treason light. Half the calories of regular treason and non of the jail time. >
  
  How is it we allow government officials to plead the 5th when questioning their actions while acting in official capacity? I can see if they are breaking some law acting as a civilian but not as an official. >
  
  Because you gotta protect the government from incriminating itself to the government. /s >
  
  This guy Americas >
  
  Land of the *free. >
  
  Listening to the Behind The Bastards episode on Napoleon III, the punishment for rich people is to receive $200,000 and a free overseas vacation.  But that was in the 1800's, I'm sure the prize has gone up since then >
  
  So they’re facing charges, right? >
  
  Tune it next week to find out in the next episode of Traitor's Treasons and Crimes. >
  
  That’s the reality show I’d watch. >
  
  We're living it now >
  
  I’d like it so much better if it was fiction. >
  
  The writers would all be fired for the storylines being too stupid and unrealistic. >
  
  
  DeGraffenreid, in a text conversation with party officials, said 
  Cegavske “might do a lot of things, but sending a slate of Republican 
  electors without them being clearly the winners of the popular vote is 
  not one of them.”
  
  Let the indictments begin. >
  
  They need to indict and convict all these fucks. If they don't then Garland is just showing them how to succeed next time. >
  
  I like the chances with a special counsel whose last job was literally prosecuting war criminals and corrupt government officials. Garland technically has the final say, but from what I’ve read and heard, he is deferring to Jack Smith for all prosecutorial decision-making. >
  
  
  That day, six Nevada GOP members signed certificates falsely stating that Trump won Nevada in 2020 and sent them to Congress and the National Archives
  
  Sorry, why are these people not arrested? >
  
  Money >
  
  Conspirators in sedition, each and every one. >
  
  The fake electors probably are not guilty of seditious conspiracy (plotting to overthrow the US government by means of force).
  They definitely are guilty of conspiracy to defraud the United States (plotting to obstruct a legitimate government function by means of deception.)
  It's a 20 years max sentence in either case. >
  
  With the amount of scheming that was done by so many accomplices and operatives, it's really no wonder that tRump wouldn't accept or believe that he actually lost the election. >
  
  There’s testimony from his inner circle that he knew full well that he lost.
  Which of course is even worse since he knew he lost and still went down the path of trying to scheme his way into a win or overthrow.
  The only grace I am willing to possibly accept is that he knew he lost and went with “it’s rigged” in order to set himself for a rerun and it went out of control but that is a real stretch.
  He thought the election was just like how he handled things in business, that if he just got enough lawyers and enough people believing his lies that he could get away with it.  
  The MAGA folks who did and still support the big lie are either too stupid to realize due to information isolation or really don’t care about who won the election and would accept a dictator because he’s “their guy”.  And of course you have the ultra mental gymnastic qanon types who think that he’s both still president and being treated unfairly. >
  
  The Great Orange Doof claimed the election was rigged when he won, too. It was like he wasn't able to pivot in real-time, and just went with the prepared narrative when they expected him to lose. >
  
  This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)
  
  
  Still, the transcripts provide an unprecedented view into the Trump team's coordinated efforts in Nevada to overturn the results of the election - efforts that included direct communication between McDonald and the president himself.
  The day before the slate of fake electors met, the transcripts show McDonald grew increasingly frustrated with the RNC's direction over how to conduct the certificate signing.
  Ultimately, the Nevada Republican Party would press forward, and after nearly two months of planning, McDonald, DeGraffenreid and the other fake electors gathered outside the Capitol building in Carson City for a ceremony.
  
  
  Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: McDonald^#1 elector^#2 DeGraffenreid^#3 Trump^#4 Nevada^#5 >
  
  Wow they had a little ceremony like good
  little traitor larpers.  I wonder if they wore cute little tricorn hats with tea bags dangling. >
  
  Put the fake electors in prison for 15-20 years.  Send a message to anyone who conspires with a future sedition contemplating elected or military official that no matter what happens to that guy, you are going down if you participate. >
  
  Apparently forging a government document isn't a crime since these asshats are still walking free 🤬 >
  
  i’m sorry, why aren’t those 6 gop’s IN JAIL and STRIPPED OF OFFICE??? >
  
  Wow... this is an amazing document. Well done to the committee. Especially heroes like Liz who clearly had to battle personal, and professional challenges with so many opponents in her own party. >
  
  All of the Fake Electors, the Politicians that organized them, and Trump need to be charged with Seditious Conspiracy. This is a textbook example and a slam dunk case. >
  
  Seriously, these articles mean nothing til people start getting arrested and charged >
  
  I agree people need to be charged - but evidence is what leads to charges.
  If there's no evidence the chance of conviction approaches zero.
  As disappointing as it's been - don't lose hope yet. >
  
  Well they knowingly forged a government documents when they signed that elector paperwork. We have all the evidence for that. >
  
  Building a case doesn’t mean immediately arresting the person after figuring out one thing. You are talking About arresting a historical piece of shit. But this would be a first time you arrest a former president. So you better make sure you have the most solid case with tons of evidence to back you up especially considering how much he likes to take everything up to the Supreme Court. Jack Smith knows what he’s doing. He’s making sure he gets it right the first time rather than just shooting from the hip >
  
  Well call me skeptical, but after years of stories and revelations and flagrant illegality, I tend to think DOJ doesn't want to bother with actually taking anyone to court. 
  Yes, it would be a big case that they don't want to start prematurely, but after so many years of inaction I am pessimistic >
  
  It took ~26 months from the arrests during the Watergate break-in to Nixon's resignation. The conspiracy began ~11 months prior to the first arrests, and the final related conviction wasn't until ~3.5 years after the start of the conspiracy, and ~2.5 years after the break-in arrests that exposed the conspiracy.
  Here, we're like two weeks shy of two years since the major incident, though the conspiracy certainly started prior to January 6. But, even so, we already have multiple related convictions, multiple other grand juries, a special counsel, congressional hearings, and a congressional report.
  Things are moving faster now than they did in the aftermath of Watergate. >
  
  I do find that more comforting, although with Jan 6 we all knew Trump was responsible from day 1. And with his classified documents case he has pretty much already confessed publicly via his public statements. >
  
  
  with Jan 6 we all knew Trump was responsible from day 1
  
  Yes, but it doesn't matter what we know (or what we "know," ie, believe), only what we can prove in court.
  
  And with his classified documents case he has pretty much already confessed publicly via his public statements.
  
  But so many of his cases are interconnected. Evidence and/or witnesses in case A might also apply to case B, and a defendant in case C might be a witness in cases A and B, and so on. So it's not as simple as just saying case A looks cut and dry, so why don't they charge and try the case? And because of various rights and case law, once someone has been charged, they have a right to a speedy trial, and they also have a right to see all the evidence the government has, and if that evidence has implications in other cases, it can reveal information about those other cases that DOJ isn't ready to prosecute yet.
  So you can think of it like a chain of dominoes, where you don't want to knock over the first one until you're finished setting them all up, because once the chain reaction is in motion, it's going to keep going, whether you're ready for it or not at the other end of things, and if you haven't finished setting up everything, too bad. >
  
  I do understand the need to gather and marshal an airtight case, but there is another hurdle there: whether they choose to prosecute the case they have.
  There are guaranteed to be a mountain of motions from the Trump side aimed at gumming up the process and delaying it. I'm betting a SCOTUS case and probably new law will come out of this, and who knows what the power-crazed conservative majority will do with that ball? It could backfire. 
  Garland and Smith know this. So even after getting their case together, bulletproofing it, and deciding if it's viable before a jury, they then have to do a gut check about whether the storm they are about to conjure is worth it.
  Hell, one reason the Confederate leaders weren't put on trial after the Civil War was the concern about how it might play out in court. Confederates argued that they weren't traitors but were a sovereign nation because the US Constitution had built into it a right for states to secede (they argued). What if a court trial or case review AFFIRMED that belief and enshrined it in case law? It seemed too risky to prosecutors at the time, and so they didn't try them.
  I think we all know how letting Confederates off scot free went.
  Trump has been able to con himself into the nadir of the American power structure because of the abject failure of many different authority figures--from his parents to the IRS to DOJ to Congress--to hold him accountable for his actions.
  So until I see cuffs and a case that has ducks put in a nice and near row, I reserve my skepticism. >
  
  Things will continue to come out for awhile. >
  
  Can he get hair dye in prison? >
  
  Not being able to do his daily elaborate combover swirl with 6 cans of hairspray to hide his botched hair surgery is probably in the top five things he’s worried about regarding going to prison. >
  
  Lock. Him. Up. >
  
  The hits never stop with this POS. >
  
  Trump is just a scammer - all his life . >
  
  Trump Family is a criminal enterprise. >
  
  Oh look, more evidence 🙄 >
  
  Oh look!  More proof of criminality!  Guess we better do nothing about it... >
  
  They were working this angle four fucking days BEFORE the election. No wonder all trumps clowns were hinting or saying he’d just declare victory… he wanted to steal it before it was even settled. This fucker belongs in prison. >
  
  Gambling on treason still isn’t legal? Trump is so far ahead of his time. >
  
  This shit is wild!!!! 
  Ummm I hope it’s not left up to the constituents only to hold these individuals accountable. >
  
  Dante wasn’t even supposed to be here today >
  
  Hey Veronica-Try not to suck any dick on the way to the parking lot >
  
  Did anyone tell this guy sharpie markers are not a good hair dye replacement? >
  
  imagine that. I don’t why nobody warned. He always looked so smart. >
  
  And none of them are facing any criminal charges.