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  She won't be getting out anytime soon. 
  "Farrar’s family told 5 On Your Side he went out to get medicine for his 11-year-old son, Joseph Farrar Jr., who had been diagnosed with the flu. The grocery store was closed, so he went to the gas station hoping to find some medicine there and to fill up his tank."
context: You gotta know this is going to happen more and more often as it becomes easier to track your stuff. >
  
  I had friends track their stolen stuff down to an exact address, communicate this info to the police, and they were "ok, so what do you expect us to do about this?". They're nice, peaceful people, but it's easy to see how more impulsive folks would react to this... >
  
  When my van was stolen, I saw it by chance on a street several miles from my house. So I went back there and drove it to a secure location. 
  I also later found out who stole it. Of course, the police did nothing. They have more important things to do like shooting people's dogs, roughing up homeless people, and kicking down the door to the wrong house during raids.
  Whether justice will ever be done, I can't speculate. >
  
  Don’t forget how useful they were taking down that school shooter who massacred all those babies. >
  
  Which time we talking about? >
  
  The Uvalde shooting. 
  You can watch clips of dozens of officers hiding from one scrawny kid who was actively executing 5 year old children. You can watch clips of them beating and macing the parents who tried storming the building when the police were doing literally nothing 
  Then you can read comments of people defending those officers actions 
  It’s actually crazy. >
  
  Now hang on there champ.
  They also stalked and harassed the few parents who managed to get past them and rescued children, doing a better job than they did. For weeks. >
  
  Oh! They also blamed a teacher for leaving a door open. 
  She didn’t, but that didn’t stop the thousands of people who harassed and threatened her until quitting. >
  
  Holy fuck. Imagine blaming a teacher while you have a hallway stacked with armed men. 
  I wish I had 10-12 armed men behind me. Fuck I’ll take a country with that. 
  Small one, maybe tropical. I don’t want to retire in Canada. >
  
  I've been told twice in my life by police in my city that I would have better luck solving the problem myself.." just don't get caught" >
  
  This is why I put an airtag in a discreet area of my car. >
  
  My issues wernt with vehicles, but I know what ya mean. >
  
  Oh,  yeah. I know exactly what you mean. I'm right there with you. I just felt mentioning the airtag was a useful piece of advice for people who have their car stolen only to have the cops shrug their shoulders. >
  
  You would think that when you buy a $30k-$50k asset, it would come with it’s own locator device, say along the lines of a $25 object the size of a quarter that just gets powered from the vehicle battery.
  But no, this is an unpredictable use case for likely the 2nd or 3rd most expensive thing that we buy. Of course they can add heated seats, backup camera’s with distance detection warnings, and complex touchscreen interfaces. The automotive companies can’t even claim that the technology or the cost isn’t justifiable to plan ahead for theft. >
  
  My first thought is to buy a used vehicle, and one that’s not too swanky. It’s a liability that quickly loses value. 
  Second thought is that if those tracking devices were installed, criminals would know how to disable them. It’s actually more likely to be helpful if you install a 3rd party solution.
  Last thought is that the best way to handle vehicle thefts would be to program a device that gradually cut the power after 1 minute. That way, the thieves would be confused as to why the car is slowly crapping out, and abandon the vehicle close enough that you could grab a neighbor’s car, bicycle, taxi, etc. and go find it.
  Bonus points if you can add a little 16-bit speaker saying “fuck you.” And have it programmed to slowly fade out / distort as the power cuts. >
  
  Hidden kill switch. >
  
  Had a friend w/ a Vette. Didn't bother locking it, because that wasn't a deterrent, thed just slice the roof. . But the gas line kill switch. The'd drive a short distance and it would stall. Who wants to hang around a stolen Vette on the side of a road and troubleshoot the problem? >
  
  Easiest anti theft device is to wire a switch to the fuel pump that you hide in the car and can flip on and off easily >
  
  In this day and age, you could buy one that runs on a remote app. >
  
  Police: Well, it's gone. There's no telling who took your vehicle, ma'am. It's probably already been rendered down at chop shop and sold off as parts.
  Victim: No, it's still driving around. 
  Police: Well, nothing we can do about it. No telling where it is now. 
  It's at a gas station on 32nd and Briarwood. 
  Police: Well, good luck. Hopefully it turns up, but I wouldn't hold out hope. 
  It's right there. You can go get it right now. 
  Police: We'll give you a call if it turns up. You'll of course have to pay impound fees. Have a good day. >
  
  Work at a dealership where 9 cars were stolen. We told them exactly where the vehicles were and they didn’t care. They wound up trying to pull 3 vehicles over regularly just because they didn’t have plates in them and they all went in high speed chases. Let them off because they said it was a misdemeanor and prisons were too full. >
  
  My buddy was driving home in Houston and all these 4x8 sheets of plywood started blowing off of a trailer in front of him and one went through his window. The guy started running and he chased the guy for awhile and he called the police while he was following him telling dispatch what street he was on and they told him they weren't going to do anything about it. I bet you there were police within 1/2 a mile stopping people for speeding.
  Someone I know also had a drug dealer selling drugs off of his porch and driveway and the guy refused to leave so he called the police and it took them two hours. This happened often and they almost never showed up. Two weeks before a drug dealer got killed in a drive-by at the stop sign across the street. >
  
  This is not that relevant to the discussion, but something similar happened to me—a metal sheet flew off a small truck on the highway and came right at me; all I could do was duck, and when I came up, the windshield was a splintered wreck. I was very lucky not to get hurt. Don’t know if the highway patrol bothered to look for this very obviously overloaded truck trundling up a major freeway; they were quite lackadaisical when I reported it. I wonder if the driver even knew it happened. >
  
  Ended up on a freeway behind a guy with an -unsecured refrigerator- loose in the back of his truck. Didn't quite fall out onto my rig, but it did tip over and dent the hell out of the thing.
  Naturally, this turned out to be my -landlord- with the replacement for the broken one that he hadn't replaced for actual months. >
  
  He didn't later try to install it in your home.....did he? >
  
  Immediately, actually, dent and all. >
  
  Oh, for Pete's sake. What a dodo. >
  
  Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the whole point of having a police force so that we don't all shoot each other over civil disputes? If the police refuse to do their job this seems like the inevitable outcome. >
  
  The police also have a pretty strong track record of shooting people over civil disputes. Just cutting out the middle man >
  
  why is a 49yo man stealing cars with a 19yo? >
  
  Just my 2 cents but they perfectly complement each other. 
  The 49 yo man has the knowledge and experience to guide the team, but a weak and aging body.
  The 19 yo has the stamina to perform all the physical tasks but he's fresh so he needs someone to guide him. >
  
  
  The 49 yo man ... but a weak and aging body.
  
  Yikes.  I am 42, should I start looking for nursing homes? >
  
  Right? I’m 44 and in the best shape of my life. What happens in the next 5 years? >
  
  Let's trade, I'm 38 and my neck hasn't stopped hurting for even a single second in over 10 years, my knees feel like I'm being stabbed with needles whenever I kneel down, my eyesight is bad enough that glasses don't fully fix it any more, and I've got carpal tunnel in one of my wrists. >
  
  My trick was finally stopping drinking 3 years ago (long overdue). Not saying everyone should stop drinking by any means. It’s a wonderful thing if you don’t have a problem with it. But yeah, I lost a bunch of weight and also moved to a house that needed a lot of work so have been moving rocks outside and drywall inside which helped for exercise. I take glucosamine for joints also, but have for years because I was running a lot and some old dude suggested it. Don’t know if it does anything, but so far so good. >
  
  A Time to Kill : Hyundai's Revenge >
  
  I bet they wish they at least stole a Porsche if they were gonna die over it >
  
  The Kia Boyz they are here in Memphis too >
  
  They're all around the country >
  
  The police are essentially inviting this sort of vigilantism by not doing their jobs. I assume we're going to see a lot more of it in the coming years. >
  
  "To ignore & reject" >
  
  if she would have just shot them and left the scene the cops would have called a few hours later to report they had found her car... >
  
  Big brain move. Well done. >
  
  This sounds like something out of Breaking Bad. >
  
  Pro tip: if you’re an iPhone user, take apart an AirTag, remove the speaker, and hide the AirTag in/outside your car. 
  Makes it really easy to find >
  
  I feel like this is very helpful advice. If I could understand what it meant. >
  
  AirTags use every iPhone around it to track the tags location. If someone steals your car and there’s an iPhone nearby, you’ll have the approximate location. 
  However, airtags also let people know when they’re nearby if they’re around the tag long enough. They can make it do a little beep so they can find it. Removing the speaker prevents it. 
  Very new iPhones (the 12 and up) have a special chip in them that let you pinpoint the AirTag like a compass when you’re near. If they have that phone then they can find it really easily >
  
  Doesn’t the AirTag also notify the nearby person on their phone that there’s been an AirTag following them? >
  
  Absolutely
  They make this thing called LoJack ... >
  
  She should demand a jury trial. There's a good chance 12 random people will sympathize and let her off. >
  
  Jury Nullification. Radiolab just did an awesome podcast on it. >
  
  Yes and technically speaking anyone who knows about jury nullification makes them invalid for most jury duty.
  During the selection phase there’s a quick phrase they cover that goes something along the lines of:
  
  Is there anything that you know that would prevent you from being an impartial juror?
  
  Or there abouts, varies from court to court but the point is that jury nullification is exactly the opposite of that statement if you indicate that there isn’t anything that prevents you from being impartial.
  But, I say that sounding like that’s a 100% thing but even then some are mixed on if knowing about jury nullification constitutes an inability to be impartial.
  Point being, don’t go broadcasting intentions or knowledge of such. Judges generally don’t like it when the jury starts getting too creative. >
  
  Knowing about the law and its vagaries does not disqualify you. >
  
  I literally just had jury duty on the 5th and was asked pretty much this exact same question to which I said "I am familiar with the concept of jury nullification" I was out of the building 2 minutes later. >
  
  I have been summoned for jury duty in January 2023 and I just heard this podcast and I plan to phrase my answer like this in a joking way like, “Oh you mean like jury nullification? Hyuck hyuck hyuck” I’m happy to report back on what happens if anyone is interested. >
  
  "I can't think of anything at this time."   Would seem like a much better answer.  I mean, do you want to have input on court system within your community?  Keep in mind that what is ethical is quite far removed from what is happening within our courts... >
  
  Honestly I kinda understand her, with how many car thefts there have been and the PDs essentially doing nothing to stop them, or the DAs releasing car-jackers the same day from jail. >
  
  We had our garage broken into. We saw them take off and my wife saw the guy who did it. Someone else had been filming him unload stolen goods and begging  the police to do something. Turns out it was the same guy. So now we know his name and he was sent to prison in the past for stealing cars and break-ins etc. We called the officer again and showed him the guy and said that it was definitely him and showed him the news story. Our case just got closed without any investigation that we are aware of. I get it if its just some random crime but this was so over the top. I really seriously can't believe they literally did nothing and the guys still out there ripping people off. >
  
  Police are a waste of tax money. They don’t help and people are left with a couple options: nothing, make your own justice. Neither is ideal >
  
  I wish more people understood that this is why the Mafia 'worked'. It's wrong to call the police a 'protection racket', because they don't protect and don't restore. The Mafia, for all their many wrongs, would woo people to their side by taking a case like this and fixing it when the police didn't care. "Where's my car?" "Apologies Miss Smith, we're having a window replaced and the seats cleaned. Let me drive you where you need to go until then." can look really appealing compared to "Yeah, I don't care if you have a name and an address, we're not getting your car back." >
  
  That’s an interesting point.
  Probably one of the reasons, 
  the Yakuza are still tolerated in Japan. >
  
  They were the first handing out rice after Fukushima >
  
  They’re often the first responders in more rural areas of Japan when disaster hits. They’re a real backbone of Japanese life and even their economy. 
  I’d hope Japanese cops would be superior to American cops though too. Their firefighters certainly are. >
  
  Idk about cops there, but they have a99% conviction rate or something extremely high like that in their criminal justice system. A case won't go to court unless they're absolutely sure to win. So I'm guessing it's not great for this kind of thing, but who knows. >
  
  
  99% conviction rate
  
  This is actually a very bad thing. >
  
  So, do we need to shoot thieves during the theft? Is that the deal? I just want to sort this out now that the police have stopped protecting people or investigating crimes. >
  
  They exist to quell mass protest and inflict petty fines on poor people >
  
  Let's not forget the wanton extrajudicial executions! >
  
  One of the dead guys and the one shot in the head were innocent bystanders getting gas. >
  
  I was trying to find one person who understood this. I’m local and this coverage is infuriating to me. She killed and shot innocent people, in addition to an alleged thief she unlawfully chased down. She’s scum and these people are treating her like an idol. >
  
  The article's a little light on detail; Here's a St. Louis Dispatch article with more details. It appears that the vehicle owner, Coleman, decided to take her property back by force. The article below says she did not inform the police before doing so.
  IANAL; Missouri doesn't have "stand your ground" laws as Florida does.  Missouri has (had ?)  "duty to retreat" laws. In the cold hard eyes of the law, she's supposed to run away.  Another wrinkle is the sister of one of the men Coleman shot claims he had nothing to do with the stolen car
  I can't imagine how angry she felt when she went looking for her car. One of the guys she shot may not have had anything to do with it though. Hopefully, she gets a competent attorney and a fair trial.
  Suggestion: The KIA/Hyundai's are getting taken due to not having a immobilizer.  I would recommend to those who own these to pull the fuel-pump relay when you park the car for the day or night.  The owner's manual or web search should show you the location. This won't stop a tow truck from stealing the vehicle, but will stop a thief from driving it off.
  "Duty to retreat" edit. I'm not a lawyer or even a resident of Missouri. Thanks to /u/Ozark--Howler for pointing this out. Missouri no longer has duty to retreat. I found this source which explains it better than I could. >
  
  Missouri no longer has duty to retreat. >
  
  Thanks for pointing that out. I edited the post and gave you credit. >
  
  They were going to harm her if she attempted to retrieve a property vital to her livelihood. Hard to feel any sympathy for the thieves >
  
  The article doesnt mention any context, after reading the article it seems like she went up brandishing her gun and opening fire, it also doesn't mention if all 3 men were involved in the actual crime, seems only one of them was from how the article was worded. >
  
  apparently one has a bystander that had nothing to do with the situation >
  
  Yikes no sympathy for that lady now. This is why vigilante justice never works in reality, you get more people tangled up, and always note the fine details of a story. >
  
  My little, junkie brother stole my mom’s car and disappeared. She never got the police involved because it was her son that took it. Flash forward two months, and she sees what looks like her car in a supermarket parking lot. She still had her key fob and tried it out and sure enough, the lights flashed and the car unlocked. She started getting into the car when this woman comes running toward her screaming at her to “get out of the car thief … THIEF!!” 
  My mom slams the door while she’s inside and quickly turns on the engine. A few people start rushing over and now they’re all yelling at my mom who is trying to explain it’s her own car and it was stolen two months prior through a small crack in the slightly opened front window.
  Finally, someone asked if the woman could prove it was hers, and she said “No. Fellow loaned it to me. He loans it to all people on my street.” My mom than described ‘Fellow’, and when the other woman’s eyes widened they both learned something. The woman learned Fellow stole a car, and my mom learned my little brother’s street/prison nickname. 
  My mom, not knowing what my little brother’s deal he had worked out with this woman, (or her son or boyfriend or whatever), got out of the car and said, “If you had a deal with Fellow, tell him when it’s over I need my car back.” Then she walked into the grocery store.
  Two days later, she went outside her house and the car was back. When I asked why she handled it that way, she said that she didn’t know what kind of trouble her son would have been in if that woman told whoever what had happened. >
  
  Your mom is a patient af boss, I wouldn't have been composed and considerate enough to think that way, mostly stemming from distrust that it would have actually been returned >
  
  It took too long to find this comment. >
  
  Seems like 2 of the 3 people shot were innocent bistanders. I’m all for blowing away car thieves but you’re still responsible for the collateral damage.