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  Almost all of these bootcamps teach popular javascript frameworks and aim for full stack or front end SWE jobs, because that's the fastest way to be employable. Most of them will make you do projects like building a clone of Slack or some other app.
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  I work in the tech industry. I've worked at FAANG companies and startups alike. I know many of my coworkers who broke in through bootcamps, even if it's anecdotal. As someone in the tech industry I can tell you people do not scoff at these bootcamps.
  You may not get a job at a Google or Facebook right off the bat but you will land a decent and well-paying job if you are good. Most get their start at decent startups and then work their way up. A bootcamp can't make you a good programmer but it can give you the curriculum and resources you need to get there. >
  
  "If you are good". That's the thing, it takes more than 6 months. Do you know how many of your coworkers had some dev chops before going into those programs? Bootcamps can be valuable, all education is valuable, but for the cost, I have a hard time believing it's worth it for 99% of new devs. At the end of the day, people just need experience which they can get from tutorials and freelance work for a fraction of the cost. >
  
  I was a line cook at the beginning of the pandemic 2.5 years ago. I took one of the boot camps and now make $160k total compensation. My first job was like $55k, but I changed jobs twice which is the easiest way to boost your salary.
  What you fail to realize is most people at the bottom of the hill don’t even know enough to understand the path to get started. So, even though it’s true you need to get experience outside of a boot camp these boot camps are extremely valuable for job placement and mentoring.
  And, no I didn’t have any experience “coding” beforehand, just a natural interest in technology and quick learner >
  
  That's awesome, glad that path worked out for you. >
  
  You have dozens of replies talking about how bootcamps turned out well for them or their coworkers. 
  What's going to convince you to award a delta? >
  
  a little more time and probably figuring out how to award a delta >
  
  Type !delta anywhere in a reply to whoever you want to give a delta to >
  
  sweet, thanks for the tip >
  
  I’ve seen many people succeed out of a six month coding bootcamp.  
  What do you need exactly to change your view? >
  
  Success stories, mostly. Seen a few, becoming a little more open to the idea. Just based on my own experience learning this stuff and the predatory nature of for profit education, I'm a little cynical. I know some people can land jobs out of those camps but a lot of those people could have been self-taught and succeeded just the same. I've tried to find stats from some of these places but didn't see much. If 90% of people pay and fail, while 10% land jobs, I would still argue it's a scam. If the rate of success is higher, it would change my mind. >
  
  
  I know some people can land jobs out of those camps but a lot of those people could have been self-taught and succeeded just the same.
  
  You seem to think that since you  managed to succeed being self taught, anyone can.
  Learning programming by being guided in the right direction can be a far more efficient learning path than learning by making all pitfalls by yourself. And once you're self taught, a second step is to convince employers that you know your stuff, and you taught yourself well.
  For you,  specifically, that worked out. But doing a coding bootcamp makes it both easier to learn, and afterwards easier to get employed.
  Sure, some places are scams/too expensive, but it is a very viable route to take for many. >
  
  I’m self taught and I really wish I had been taught by others. I also freelanced most of my career and wish I had just worked FT for at least four years before going out on my own. >
  
  My friend just finished one and landed a gig making $90k right out of a boot camp. Granted, he had a rec from an employee inside the company, but still had to get consideration based on his profile from the boot camp. >
  
  How long has he been at his job? I've seen a lot of new devs get hired and fired within months because they couldn't keep up. That's where most of my skepticism comes from. If that's not the experience for most of these graduates, that's great. If those camps are actually putting people on the right path, the cost is justified, I suppose. >
  
  He's been there prob 5 or 6 months at this point. And he's the kind of smart and personable guy that wouldn't have issues retaining a job once he gets one.
  I am curious at what point these stories will change your view. I haven't known tons of people who've done this, and an n of one doesn't get you very far in establishing a pattern. But this thread is full of success stories that you seem to be acknowledging are counter to your expectation without awarding deltas. I'm not married to deltas, but a lot of people here are. >
  
  My view is starting shift. It's good to see more positive stories than negative ones.  I've seen a lot of good developers get fired due to performance, etc. My assumption is the higher the salary, the higher the expectation so people fresh out of bootcamps making 100k would be in a rough spot. May not be the case. Hope it isn't. Doesn't seem to be the experience of many in this thread. >
  
  The expectation increase with senior and pay, but 100k is just junior dev in big-ish firms so not many expectation and responsibility they will have to take. Bootcamp bring the road from unemployment to that first 100k significantly shorter if you went to the non-scam one. But yea there are scammy bootcamp out there for sure >
  
  My boyfriend finished a bootcamp last March (intensive 16 week program that costs around $18k tuition) and makes $150k base salary a year. I, on the other hand, graduated with a BS in Computer Science and make the same amount. However, my university tuition was over $100k. If anything, university is the scam.. if you have the motivation and willingness to push yourself / work hard and actually apply the skills you’re learning in bootcamp, these bootcamps are honestly really successful for a lot of people. Looking back, I wish I had done a bootcamp instead of my degree! A lot of my coworkers also came from bootcamps (and they are not looked down upon in the industry at all). For context, I work at Meta as a full stack engineer in California. Hope this helps! >
  
  For more context, he has a degree in Biology and the med school route didn’t work out for him so he took this 4 month bootcamp and completely changed careers in just a matter of ~6 months and found a job as a SWE. >
  
  Any chance you could give a bit more details on what specific course(s) he took, and more detail on the specific type of role/industry he is in?