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  For me, these shows just emphasize something we can all agree on. Poverty sucks.
context: Didn't they have to lie and manipulate to get those jobs because that type of work was otherwise unavailable to them? >
  
  If you take Adorno and Horkheimer into consideration, they basically say that tricking and deceiving people is the mere nature of power and it's abuse. The oldest example they give is the Odyssey from Homer, where Odysseus tricks several people including himself to gain advantages. 
  I mean the whole nature of capitalism and neoliberalism is to make deals where in the end you win. It can be both parties, but in the end egoism is somewhat a requirement.
  And OP didn't really watch Parasite. Those people worked afaik, also in important jobs but their conditions sucked and they wanted something better. They had the capabilitys and throughout the movie they fullfilled them, but it was their poverty that held them back until they started to lie about their background.
  The whole message of Parasite was that it doesn't what you are able to do, it's more about where you come from. >
  
  He definitely didn't, his summary is totally wrong. The son gets a job cause he had a good connection to a friend, then the family decided to use his job to get the entire family jobs in order to improve their living conditions. They wouldn't have been able to get the jobs otherwise. They aren't morally in the right, and neither is the story about them being in the right. >
  
  You’re forgetting that in parasite the son was actually a genius and smarter than his wealthy friend. Which is funny because the entire family to some degree had more skills, knowledge, and intelligence than the family they were working for, which tells the audience that none of those things actually matter in this type of society. So despite the son being smarter and helping to educate the rich family he just couldn’t afford to go to college and had to help his parents with bills hence why he didn’t reach his potential. I’d say that that is far from being a failure. Also they weren’t living like kings even when they had those jobs they were still very poor just slightly better than where they started. And In order to secure those jobs they had to step on and destroy other poor peoples lives just to get (a little more) scraps. 
  Which brings me to my next point. Even after all the lying and manipulation they still had their home flooded and were still seen as (smelly and lesser than). They tried to live vicariously through the wealthy people (pretending to be them when they went on the camping trip) but realized they would never reach that level. And even after everything that happened, the son still tried to reach that level of wealth in order to buy the house to save his hiding father, which is the saddest part. They would never be able to do it. Because the wage gap is so deep. 
  Also the issue with capitalism is that “it exist”. It the fact that it thrives off off of the disparity of others. You have to some degree step over other and exploit others to reach certain heights. One of the biggest arguments we have is that if businesses paid worker a livable and far wage than the rich wouldn’t be able to make profit and wouldn’t be able to afford multiple homes. The wealthy would rather destroy the company by downsizing, or laying off workers rather than take a pay cut and we as a society support this because in some way we are all delusional enough to believe that one day we’ll be that rich if we work hard enough “and we’ll buy that house to save our father.” >
  
  I think you've shown discrimination is about maintaining power, usually through economics. Like will step on like and exploit like if it means they get a buck. I wish people would open their eyes to this - it's how elites maintain and consolidate control. It's not about black vs white, gender vs gender, religion vs religion. It's all about having power vs sharing it, and capitalism is the current way those dynamics work. >
  
  I was 13 when my mom decided to sit me down to talk about my future. When she explained that I'd more than likely have to get loans to go to college, it really confused me. I already knew I'd be 17 when I graduated high school, so I said, "So...I'll be just starting out in the world at 17 with a load of debt...just to go to college?"
  Mom: "Yes and then you'll get a good job that'll allow you to pay off that debt."
  "Didn't you go to college? And you're still paying for it?"
  "Well, yes, but you'll make so much more money with a degree than without one."
  "But...we're poor. We've always been poor, even with your degree."
  "But we'd be poorer if I didn't have it."
  What. The. Fuck.
  And some people just eat this up, they don't think about it at all. I'm being told to go into debt that I could potentially be paying back for the rest of my life in order to try to be successful. That's just stupid and exploitative to me. But what did I know? I was 13. >
  
  If your takeaway is that poor people did it to themselves you completely missed the point lol capitalism brings out the worst in people because it forces people into desperate situations. That’s the message >
  
  My man, you just didn't understand Parasite at all. >
  
  And compared that masterpiece to fuckin Squid Game >
  
  Masterpiece....lmao >
  
  You didn’t like Parasite? >
  
  It was fine, but I think masterpiece is quite a stretch. >
  
  Definitely not a fucking masterpiece lmfao. >
  
  A movie I saw do a decent job at critiquing it was Wall-E. It wasn’t “poor vs rich” but it explained how a lot of capitalism revolves around excess and over-inflation of the value of a certain good/experience/luxury. It gave you quaint yet powerful visuals of how capitalism rips through our planet and isolates us from having human experiences. This was juxtaposed by the final scenes of the movie where the characters get disconnected from all that and are finally able to work toward a common goal for the good of everyone and not just for the benefit of some. >
  
  That's because the poor people probably died with the Earth. >
  
  I think far more likely that you just didn’t understand Parasite or Squid Game >
  
  That’s two of the worst takes I’ve ever seen. 
  There’s a difference between listening to music, and really hearing it. The same thing is true for movies, there’s a difference between watching something and really seeing it. You watched both of these. 
  Have an unpopular opinion upvote friend. >
  
  OP sounds like my mom, she always watched movies with deeper messages and never understood them. "Joker" was one of those movies. >
  
  Just watched it last night. OP should watch joker, he tries really hard but still gets fucked by the system >
  
  Hello zero reading comprehension. 
  Or in this case, viewing comprehension >
  
  
  Squid game is the same way. It shows regular people going out of their own way to do bad things intentionally and then trying to blame capitalism for it. The issues for both of these isn’t capitalism, it’s because the people in these stories are selfish idiots.
  
  You're forgetting that the game didn't apparate out of nothing, it was created by obscenely rich sons of bitches who derived entertainment out of misery
  
  It only backfired because of the harmful shitty things THEY did. Capitalism didn’t force them to do this shit, they did it themselves because they were failures.
  
  Do you remember how a massive flood destroyed their home, and they had no choice but to keep working and tolerate their out-of-touch boss who was losing her shit about having the perfect birthday party? Or how the reason there was a crazy guy in the basement was because he and his wife had nowhere to live (I think due to medical bills?) and she needed that job in order to secure his hidey hole?
  People in bad situations will make bad choices. Their life depends on it. That's capitalism, baby >
  
  The main character chick that escaped North Korea? 
  I’m pretty sure the point was they were in those conditions because they were not born in financially advantageous situations. As many people benefit from capitalism, many don’t. 
  However to OP’s point squid game more so showed desperation, I didn’t immediately think, capitalism. >
  
  Only a tiny minority benefit >
  
  The West has been doing the best it ever has. >
  
  In what ways? >
  
  Pretty much every measurement. Human development index, social liberties, GDP etc. >
  
  You mean that at least the US is not going completely backwards? And human liberties? really? Also look at how the countries the US has invaded in the past 5 decades and see how they're doing. >
  
  The USA is a mongrel subhuman nation not worthy of discussion. I am Dutch and you should listen to us. We are the principle of capitalism, we are the closest thing to perfection. We are the closest thing to God. >
  
  While I do not know much about dutch society and how it runs. Though as a fellow European I do believe I've heard that the Netherlands still have some socialistic aspects to it. >
  
  I thought we were anti-capitalist? Which means getting rid of capitalism. The Dutch system is fundamentally capitalist. All European countries are.