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  Evolutionary psychologists
  
  Evolutionary psychology is pop science that shouldn't be taken seriously. Ever since religion lost its status as providing absolute fact people turn to science. The problem is science doesn't provide explanations for most of our social behaviours, social science does. The thing about social science is that it awknowledges the fact that there isn't a right/wrong or natural/unnatural way for a human to behave in a lot of scenarios.
  For example:
  
  It is not an absolute fact that fat people are objectively less attractive than skinny people. Beauty is subjective and what people are attracted to is strongly influenced by their upbringing.
  
  It depends heavily on the culture. So what do people do to avoid having to examine all of their beliefs in a critical manner. They use evolutionary psychology.
  For example
  
  It is an absolute fact that fat people are objectively less attractive than skinny people. Men are genetically predisposed to find fat people less attractive because skinniness indicates health.
  
  The problem is I can't prove or disprove any evolutionary psychology theory because I can't raise a human in a cultural vacuum. I can however prove that there are countless cultures were skinny is not seen as attractive and even seen as ugly. And you know what evolutionary psychologists from those cultures would say:
  
  It is an absolute fact that fat people are objectively more attractive than skinny people. Men are genetically predisposed to find fat people more attractive because skinniness indicates less food meaning that growing, birthing, and raising children will be harder.
  
  I could come up with a reason for any one of my beliefs to be valid then claim its evolutionary psychology. Its all bullshit
context: At this point, why should I even care about gender equality?
  
  
  Men are much more likely to die in a war, be a victim of violent crime, go to prison, die at the workplace do to unsafe conditions, commit suicide, and a million other things.  One cause of this is gender inequality, as you yourself describe how the worth of a man is determined. Since you are a man it is your interest to have gender equality to reduce the risk to your own life.
  You have a mom and might have a daughter. You don't want them to be equal to men?
  
  
  And feminists don't care about this.
  
  Forming opinions on the world in reaction to people you find annoying or hypocritical is illogical. My bully in middle school was black, so I should be against equality for black people now? Not a good way to think. >
  
  
  You have a mom and might have a daughter. You don't want them to be equal to men?
  
  Men had mothers and daughters under patriarchy as well. >
  
  I agree and and it was stupid for them to support it for that reason.
  In slavery times men would rape their slaves, and then their own children that came of it would also be enslaved. People don’t always do the logical result. It’s logical to want the best possible outcome for one’s children. >
  
  Sons are also children
  Patriarchy is their best possible outcome
  Only one gender can win
  Might as well be men >
  
  No best possibility for my son is to live in a society with equality. >
  
  Very unlikely. There's a reason patriarchy existed in the first place. >
  
  Is / ought fallacy. Just because something exists doesn’t mean it should exists.
  “There is a reason slavery existed” >
  
  Equality is impossible. For example, when women earn more, those marriages have higher divorce rates. When women aren't kept in their place, men suffer. >
  
  Are you married? Do you have a gf? Children? >
  
  I'm not sure why my personal life is relevant to this discussion >
  
  
  ”the worth of a man is determined by how much he is a good provider…” 
  
  What you’re describing is a traditional gender role we force on men, something feminists tend to oppose. Things like male disposability and other differential treatment of men seem like they would be directly addressed with gender equality or eliminating those gendered social expectations. >
  
  I already said, it’s evolutionary. It’s written in our DNA. We cannot change it. >
  
  So you insist people can't control their own behavior?
  Then explain why plenty of men and women no longer ascribe to traditional gender roles and contribute to society just fine. >
  
  It's fake and temporary
  Marriages where women outearn men have higher divorce rates >
  
  Perhaps because those women are less financially dependent on their husband and have the ability to walk away? >
  
  Ergo marriage is temporary and unstable where women have choice
  Stability requires patriarchy 
  So be it >
  
  Do you think it’s preferable to force women into marriages they don’t want to be in? 
  Like you could also have the state forcefully marry every adult at 18 to give the kind of “stability” you’re referring to, but that would also be an awful policy that makes people unhappy and less free. >
  
  Nah, not the state, just do it the way patriarchy did
  If only one gender can win, it might as well be men >
  
  
  If only one gender can win, it might as well be men
  
  Win what? The Gender Cup? >
  
  Protection of their interests