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  I agree with the UN on this one.
context: Since when are national gun laws of any UN concern? >
  
  Antisemitism doesn’t care about logic >
  
  Which this isn't. >
  
  Of course it isn’t, the UN always focuses on Israel because it has nothing to do with antisemitism >
  
  The UN isnt focused on Israel. They're critical of Israels human rights abuses. And quite rightly too.
  Any other country would have been blockaded, boycotted and no-fly-zoned by now for the shit Israel has been getting away with.
  And have they been for much less. >
  
  Blockaded and no-fly zoned by the UN?? Wtf are you talking about >
  
  I'm talking about enforcement of UN resolutions.  What do you think I'm talking about >
  
  What nations have the UN ordered blockades or no-fly zones over? >
  
  The UN doesn't order no fly zones. >
  
  So how does the fact that Israel isn't subject to a no-fly zone justify excessive resolutions against it by the UN? >
  
  Bro most of the Israeli population has a mandate to serve in the Military, they know how to fucking use them lol >
  
  Still, as an Israeli I'm very much against these new laws.
  There's a lot of other factors at play - for example, domestic violence. Private weapons (typically only owned by men who are ex-army) are often used to terrorize women, and in worst cases to kill them. There's been many cases of women being shot by husbands in Israel, and those laws will make it a lot easier. This whole thing reeks of Ben Gvir populist laws and pushing his right wing agendas, rather than something that will actually save lives. >
  
  I mean, everyone have a knife in their kitchen. terrorizing women would probably happen regardless and the issue lies within problematic man, not the amount of weapons available.
  You can hate ben gvir all you want, but those are civilians afraid of random terror attacks and lack of trust in the police that are asking for weapon license. >
  
  Does someone have statistics on how much the UN has condemned Israeli policies compared to the rest of the Middle-east's human rights violations? Genuinely curious. >
  
  I wouldn't say they do nothing. In fact I'd argue the frequent condemnations play a role in the public perception of Israel. >
  
  Exactly. Israel wins the PR battle with high society (corporations, governments (even Arab governments), security and intelligence agencies around the world, and R&D institutions), but with the average person around the world, they generally lose. The average person thinks that Israel is just one giant CIA/MI5, something to be regarded as suspicious and to be feared. >
  
  Which just leads to further violence and discrimination against Jews around the world, further making the existence of Israel even more important. >
  
  This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)
  
  
  UN rights chief Volker Turk on Friday called for an end to the "Illogic of escalation" between Israel and the Palestinians amid a spike in deadly violence, criticizing plans to streamline and ease the requirements for Israelis to carry weapons.
  The UN rights chief was referring to the announced overhaul of the National Security Ministry's firearm licensing department following a series of terror attacks.
  Most terror attacks occur in the West Bank, where civilians can already apply for a license - currently, some 13% of gun licenses are based on home or work location criteria.
  
  
  Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: attack^#1 Israel^#2 Palestinian^#3 terror^#4 Security^#5 >
  
  “We’re gonna attack your citizens!” “Shoot better let my citizens be armed” yeah what a great escalation there 🙄 >
  
  Has the UN read the UN Charter to find out how much the internal affairs of a member state is none of the UN's business? >
  
  B-but Israel bad!1!1! >
  
  Newsflash: world leaders don’t like armed populations. >
  
  It’s much easier to control the population if they are unarmed and afraid. 
  Get some ignorance in there and you can oppress them easily. 
  Source: History…. >
  
  How are Americans so controlled when they're the most armed people on earth? >
  
  Well a majority of Americans have too much pride to think they are being controlled or played, and will never consider themselves a third world country which I believe we are. >
  
  Calling America a third world country is a little hyperbolic, no? >
  
  It's completely hyperbolic and ridiculous. It's usually, ironically, a statement by extremely privileged white Americans, too. >
  
  Lmao I’m a minority and even served for the country which I love but I can be honest about it unlike you >
  
  Lmao right? I always trust comments that derive authority from being a minority. 
  The US is not a "third world country". Maybe try traveling the world a little or just using some of that GI bill for education. Maybe take an economics class or two. >
  
  Pretty easy to make the statements from a safe place where armed guards make sure you aren't being shot at.   
  It isn't the UN's call, regardless. >
  
  I criticize the UN for raping thousands in Africa >
  
  Or spreading cholera in Haiti... >
  
  And raping Haitian girls. >
  
  and further child sexual abuse in the Central African Republic, blue helmets really seem to have a thing for kids eh >
  
  The UN can get fucked. >
  
  UN: “Please don’t make it harder for terrorists to kill you. Pretty, pretty please” >
  
  yeah a lot of terrorists in those children hospitals that israel bomb - and those homes they keep demolishing to steal land that doesn't belong to them >
  
  
  yeah a lot of terrorists in those children hospitals that israel bomb
  
  There were like 8 terrorists killed in the recent Jenin raid (as claimed by the terrorist groups themselves) but some tear gas apparently wafted into a nearby hospital so some pretend this was an attack on the hospital itself instead of the nearby apartments full of dead terrorists. >
  
  
  Israel’s ambassador to the United Nations in Geneva, Meirav Eilon Shahar, responded to Turk, saying that the UN rights chief’s statement “does not even have the decency to describe the attacks last week for what they were, acts of Palestinian terrorism targeting the Jewish people.”
  
  Israel would be at the top of my list of countries whose citizens need more access to firearms for self-protection.  The UN is essentially arguing that Israel should just stay unarmed, smoke the hopium, and wish the terrorist attacks will stop. >
  
  I think it's the Palestinians who need more firearms for self protection. Palestinians wouldn't have to rely on Hamas if the regular people have guns. Obviously both sides are constantly doing terrorist attacks against the other but 5 Palestinians die for every 1 Israeli. The Palestinians have a lot more to protect themselves against. >
  
  The Palestinians have a lot of firearms already, you should see the magnitude of what is captured by the IDF and of the foiled smuggling attempts from Jordan. They have guns, and when they fire them at trained soldiers, they get whacked, because just because you have guns doesn't mean you know how to use them. And that's why you have 5 Palestinians die for every one Israeli. Because for 95% of firefights, there are 0 IDF casualties, and at least a few Palestinian gunmen down. >
  
  Basically, Israel losses the PR game because they are better trained and more accurate shooters. >
  
  They lose the PR game cause they won the war but Palestine won’t surrender and let there be peace. Palestine could be a country tomorrow if it would accept peace >
  
  But they won’t because then they gotta admit they suck ass and that Israel has a right to exist >
  
  Hey UN, stay in your lane >
  
  Honest question I haven't been able to find an answer to: What portion of the firearm licenses in Israel are held by Arab residents? >
  
  Most people who possess a firearm license in Israel have military background (for most applications it's one of the requirements), so probably not many. However, it's estimated that there are some 300k illegal weapons stashed in Arab communities in Israel, a large portion of which were stolen from military bases. >
  
  Also. All Israeli citizens Arab/Druze/Jewish have to serve in the the army. So literally almost everyone has military experience. Plenty of non Jews serve in the Israeli military.
  Edti: I was incorrect >
  
  Arabs don't have to serve in the military >
  
  Then I stand corrected. I thought it to be compulsory for all citizens. I do know Arabs serve.
  “Under Israeli law, only men are drafted from the smallest minority groups of the Druze and of the Circassians, whereas Jewish women are required to serve alongside Jewish men. Arab citizens of Israel (both genders) and Arab-Christians (both genders) may enlist voluntarily, but they are not conscripted by law.” >
  
  It's not hard at all to be a conscientious objector tho. Political reasons, religious, etc >
  
  You can't get out of service though; you'd be required to participate in some other service taking out equal time. So considering that, there is little reason to ever be a conscientious objector, especially as if you just say 'I don't want to be in a combat role' you won't be. >
  
  UN: Israel did something!!!  Time to condemn it! >
  
  The UN can go fuck itself, respectfully.
  A useless organization that only exists to drain money and funnel it to either the pockets if its top people or to terrorists. >
  
  When the UN surrenders their weapons in good faith, I'll pay more attention >
  
  I'm a person that's really anti-gun BUT!:The UN really has nothing to say what Israels personal gun laws should be. Especially when they don't do the same to other countries. >
  
  Is there anything that comes out of Israel the UN doesn’t criticize? 
  Have they criticized the beauty products from the Dead Sea yet? >
  
  Criticize the damn sales people at the mall first. 
  Like look you pidgeotto wanna be, no one is buying your greasy salt rubs. >
  
  Wow. I’m thrilled how many comments on this thread are in support of Israel and UNs ceaseless commendations of it for doing what literally any other country would do to defend itself. Here I was being very confident Reddit was an anti semitic cesspool. Stilllll pretty confident but a littttle less now. Feels goodZ >
  
  UN has no right to criticize Israel. >
  
  they do when israel keeps killing loads of innocent kids >
  
  It’s funny you mention kids, since (one of) the terror attacks this gun law is in response to was carried out by a brainwashed 13 year old who decided to shoot up some civilians >
  
  loophole! make kids the terrorists, when they get killed by security forces you can complain about jews killing kids! >
  
  Is there anything that Israel does that doesn’t garner criticism from the hypocrites at the UN? >
  
  is there anything israel does that isnt a war crime? >
  
  I get the feeling you believe that them existing is a war crime. >
  
  If they use policies of Apartheid than I suppose so >
  
  Sounds like a really roundabout way to say “no” to the question “should they exist” >
  
  You’d think Israel would be one of the few countries in the world that would absolutely have every single person armed. >
  
  Maybe they understood that morons with guns can be as dangerous as criminals with guns. >
  
  Well supposing they have mandatory military service I think they have some degree of trust in their population. >
  
  That kind of reinforces my point. >
  
  That they don’t actually have morons with guns since they’re all well trained in the military? >
  
  Obviously not everyone is suitable since not everyone actually serves (and even among people who do serve there are still shitheads). >
  
  I'm strongly against gun ownership in peaceful states.
  But Isreal isn't exactly peaceful. The civilians there are under constant threat of getting blown up by a brainwashed madman. So in case of Israel I fully support their need to have armed population. >
  
  So what happens when a peaceful state becomes unpeaceful? >
  
  meanwhile Hamas using UN humanitarian aid money to buy weapons for everyone including kids and still playing victim >
  
  hold on you cant arm your citizens how will palestinians win now?? >
  
  As a weapons trained Brit, the thing that really scares me is the thought of armed and untrained civilians with guns!
  In Israel, they have (close on) universal military service. That means they all had weapons training. Is their training comparable to that which I got in uniform? >
  
  It depends on the soldier's job -- everyone has to go through basic training but in some cases it can be very summer camp for non-combat roles. Technically, "everyone" knows how to fire a M-16/M-4 but firearm permits in Israel only allow pistols for personal ownership.
  In practice, firearm permits are mostly only issued to ex-infantry or SF guys, or people living in dangerous areas, and everyone has to undergo a psych test, a training course and aa final marksmanship test before being issued one. If one passes, they are allowed to own one handgun and no more than 50 rounds of ammunition at a time (there are a few exceptions here but they need to be signed off by the Ministry of Defense). >
  
  Don’t forget the part where all bullets used or otherwise must be recorded and reported. >
  
  Surprise…..the UN is critical of Israel……I hated Trump,but his suggestion to stop contributing funds to the UN I agreed with 100% >
  
  The UN is anti-Israel, it’s no secret >
  
  Go Israel screw the UN >
  
  I think the U.N. can go f#*k itself. >
  
  The UN.  Hehe.  Israelis are condemned for getting guns 2 weeks sooner, while Russia can fire supersonic missiles at Ukrainian citizens with not a peep. That’s why the UN has shown itself to be irrelevant. >
  
  And I’m pretty sure Israel’s reaction will be “Yeah, so anyway…” as it should be >
  
  Because the UN has a one nation/one vote structure (except for the Security Council, which gives greater power to the actual powerful), the huge number of Islamic, Leftist, and former colonized countries vote against Israel every chance they get.
  And it doesn’t mean jack-shit. >
  
  Keep the population defenseless and reliant lol >
  
  Get US out of the UN! >
  
  Isolation isn’t a great geopolitical move >
  
  Have they criticized Netanyahu's disemboweling of the Israeli judiciary yet? >
  
  UN can fuck itself. >
  
  The UN can suck fat nuts. >
  
  What did the UN say about the terror attack in question? >
  
  Historically, they would condemn the violent actions taken by the Israeli civilian who stopped the attack. >
  
  UN are control freaks. >
  
  I am a bit confused how this would be any of the UN's business, to be honest. The UN's mission is to mediate disputes between countries, not interfere in domestic policies. >
  
  Still any word about Ukraine, UN? >
  
  I guess the UN will be kicked off their House committee assignments now >
  
  Kurt Waldheim.  That’s all you need to know about Israel and the UN. >
  
  The UN is a joke and wouldn’t exist without American $$ >
  
  Topics on Israel is the one thing that reddit leftists and rightists unite on. >
  
  UN criticizes... (blank)... 
  Nobody cares. >
  
  The UN…🙄 >
  
  The un meeds to.mind its own business. >
  
  The UN also has its mouth clamped firmly around Xinnie the Pooh’s dick and engages in human trafficking so why should anyone care what they say? >
  
  The UN is trash.  It’s a joke and needs to be disbanded. >
  
  You can ask us to live for peace but you can’t ask us to die for it >
  
  I’m very surprised and very pleased with the tone of the comments. Didn’t expect that out of Reddit lol >
  
  What could possibly go wrong!? >
  
  What's the problem? Practically all homes in Israel have guns, automatic guns for that matter, considering that all the citizens are military conscripts .. >
  
  Of course the UN is.
  They want no one but themselves to have firearms.
  How else will they be safe when they move their “security” forces into a country. >
  
  As they have the Israeli Defense Force, all the citizens have more education in firearms than most countries….USA >
  
  So the UN also wants people to be incapable of protecting themselves now. This new world order conspiracy is looking more factual everyday. >
  
  Got me confused for a sec! Read US instead of UN >
  
  At first is read UN as Us and said “Surely that isn’t right” and of course it wasn’t >
  
  This is some pretty insane astroturfing for Israel in the thread lol.
  A lot of people in here don’t understand how the UN works (or doesn’t). The UN CONSTANTLY criticizes/remarks/condemns/etc. the internal policies and actions of countries. In fact, given that UNGA resolutions are non-binding, and the OHCHR (which Turk is the current High Commissioner of) is under the GA, yeah, criticizing ease of gun ownership is pretty much par for the course. Does Israel get more flak than other countries? Sure, but as someone else pointed out in the thread, it’s an easy win for everyone involved. Arab countries who hate Israel will sign on, countries that generally fear vigilantism and prefer a restricted populace with sign on, and countries that hate the US (who Israel often toes the line with, and often takes cues on foreign policy from) will usually sign on with.
  So, pretty often, in a futile “I’m writing a letter to the president of the company” kind of way, these countries will pass a resolution, or make some comment, etc. that admonishes some policy that Israel (or the US, or Russia, or any big-stick foreign policy power) has. And in response, the aforementioned target of the criticism will usually put their middle finger up and go “Boo Hoo.”
  Now, why this is important, is because in the actual arena of BINDING resolutions made by the Security Council, Israel has done pretty well for itself since the 90’s. There’s been a lot of UNSC “calls for” stuff or “deplores” stuff, but that’s important, because those are not really actionable directives on policy that the SC could enforce. If they tried to work in that language, one of the permanent members of the council will usually shut it down. (I think the last time the UNSC actually “Demanded” in a resolution from Israel might have been during the conflict with Lebanon, and the Siege of Beirut.)
  This is in contrast to other countries whose policies or internal strife are not related to or protected by one of the Veto members of the Security Council (I.e. the UNSC did a LOT of Demanding when it came to Myanmar if I remember correctly). 
  So, all this to say, Israel gets a lot of condemnation from the GA, but part of that is that they have the privilege of being pretty protected when it comes to the SC because they generally have interests that align with veto-ing members of the UNSC, but smaller countries, who have no such connections, have a tendency to come much harder under the gun when it comes to binding resolutions. I guarantee you Israel much prefers to have a condemnation they can ignore, like an angry letter in the mail, than have the Security Council imposing their will. It’s a quid pro quo, and they take the heat because they are in the better position in the long run.
  Edit: lol downvote away. My point isn’t even that Israel is the bad guy here. Yes, the UN commenting on domestic gun policy really isn’t constructive. My point is more that, this is something the State of Israel accepts as a trade-off because they are guaranteed other protections in the larger UN structure. That’s just international politics, y’all. >
  
  Lotta words for nothing of substance >
  
  And that, buddy, is the UN experience lol >
  
  I don’t disagree