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  I suggest you do some research into the beginnings of minimum wage. When it was introduced as part of The New Deal it was intended to make sure that one person could support a family. So yes minimum wage was supposed to be something you can live comfortably off of.
context: UBI doesn’t replace income. If you’re working you’d get wages plus UBI >
  
  I'm confused- do you think that there is no way to earn additional money? UBI means everyone gets a certain amount of money. This amount of money should be enough for most people to stay alive (food, water, shelter, health). Everyone can still earn money on top of that, but if their passion in life is something that isn't easily monetizable (ie they love to paint but for whatever reason nobody wants to buy their paintings), UBI means that they have the option to survive on UBI and live a fulfilling life by their terms. This is a kind of mobility that isn't based on money, but on human happiness/fulfillment. If their goal in life is to be rich, they can still pursue that. >
  
  I've got a knee problem, right? I work 2 jobs to save money for a surgery my insurance won't approve.
  The world already has the ability to fix me. I just don't have the economic means.
  But I can get there through work (I'm doing it right now).
  In a world where you cannot "get a leg up" economically because you can no longer work because there are no more jobs due to automation and AI, you're just stuck.
  It won't be a utopia where all problems are just fixed for ppl because we already openly exploit the economic lower class, when the world doesn't have to be that way. 
  So 1. If  you think that will change, how and why? And 2. How is UBI not the end of social and economic mobility if you have no further means to improve your life through work and wages? >
  
  
  The world already has the ability to fix me. I just don't have the economic means.
  
  Sounds like a pretty good argument for giving you the economic means (and admittedly for fixing our dumbass healthcare system, but that's another discussion). >
  
  If you are given (random number chosen) $10 for a year. And surgery is $1000, then you're not going to ever "be given the means to fix the problem"
  I can work and get there as the world is today. 
  In a UBI only world, you cannot get what's simply out of your reach economically. There's no mechanism through society to do so >
  
  Why do you believe that it isn't possible to receive UBI and work? >
  
  Are ya ppl just not reading the entire middle part of what I said? It's every single poster, here to tell me UBI doesn't have to mean "no work"
  I'm saying, in a world where AI and Automation have made work obsolete, which is a goal of that technology, and the only thing available is UBI, how will there be any social or economic mobility for anyone?
  (And I swear to God lol, if I have to say this anymore, I'm not here to debate the likelihood of technology succeeding in that regard, I'm asking, in a world where that's already a given, how is UBI not the end of social and economic mobility?) >
  
  So you're positing a fantasy world (which no one is allowed to challenge the logic of) and then stating that in that world UBI wouldn't work?
  Yes, your view is right. UBI wouldn't work if robots and super-AI did absolutely every possible job. UBI also wouldn't work in Middle Earth or Avatar (similar to this view, I won't accept any debate on this). >
  
  UBI absolutely might make an impact in avatar, since there seems to be a corporate military thing going on that seems pretty fucked up. 
  I tend to think UBI might also have some mitigating influence on orcs and uruks, ultimately you’ve still got a Sauron problem, so I guess I agree it wouldn’t work in Middle Earth. >
  
  The world of Avatar probably does have some sort of UBI going on in the background lol, it's a common solution to automation in sci fi.  I think The Expanse has the most realistic portrayal of it. >
  
  If you have to work just not to die, then you already aren't socially mobile, at least not upwards. You are probably just taking whatever the government "graciously" set up as the minimum wage, because you have no other choice.
  UBI allows anyone who wants to, to spend time on training themselves so that if they want to, they can take a higher level or more valued positions. It also gives them more bargaining power to advocate for the existing positions coming with more opportunities for upward mobility.
  If every high school teacher has to cling to their job unless they want to become homeless and starving, then there isn't really upward mobility opportunity in going to college just to be a high school teacher. If you can all easily go on strike if you feel like it, then it's on society to reward your effort in proportion to that. >
  
  
  If you have to work just not to die, then you already aren't socially mobile
  
  That makes no sense. If you work 40 hours a week. You still have a significant amount of time you could dedicate to improving your skills. Heck I'm doing it now. Working on my upwork resume. 
  The fact that economic scarcity exists everywhere on planet earth. Doesn't mean there is no economic mobility. That such a strange view. >
  
  These fucking liars...
  What they typically do is say "Average rent here is blah blah". "You'd have to work blah blah hours to pay rent".
  But it's horseshit. You are comparing median housing with the lowest quintile of income. You should be comparing the lowest quintile housing. 
  I live in Gainesville Florida.  You can get an apartment for $500 a month. That includes electricty, water and internet. It is typically student housing and you will have 3 other roommates. But you can easily afford that with min wage. 
  Min wage jobs were never meant to be something people live offa. It's for teenagers who are getting their first taste of the labor market. It's unfortunate that some people never mature and just act like teenagers their whole life. But that is their prerogative. You gotta make a lot of bad choices to end up like that.