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  Why would I get more support in a socialist society?  I support my own family just fine, I can’t imagine relying on someone else to provide for them for me.  Can you name a single socialist country in the past 1000 years that actually worked?  Seems to me true socialism always turns into extreme corruption and poverty for all.
  As far as Elon goes, a few crazy rich CEOs doesn’t mean the system is a failure.  Also, he did push the whole EV thing far into the limelight, where it wasn’t before.  That was pretty genius marketing and development.  SpaceX isn’t a small accomplishment either.  He made good bets and investments with his money and companies.
context: Didn't they have to lie and manipulate to get those jobs because that type of work was otherwise unavailable to them? >
  
  If you take Adorno and Horkheimer into consideration, they basically say that tricking and deceiving people is the mere nature of power and it's abuse. The oldest example they give is the Odyssey from Homer, where Odysseus tricks several people including himself to gain advantages. 
  I mean the whole nature of capitalism and neoliberalism is to make deals where in the end you win. It can be both parties, but in the end egoism is somewhat a requirement.
  And OP didn't really watch Parasite. Those people worked afaik, also in important jobs but their conditions sucked and they wanted something better. They had the capabilitys and throughout the movie they fullfilled them, but it was their poverty that held them back until they started to lie about their background.
  The whole message of Parasite was that it doesn't what you are able to do, it's more about where you come from. >
  
  He definitely didn't, his summary is totally wrong. The son gets a job cause he had a good connection to a friend, then the family decided to use his job to get the entire family jobs in order to improve their living conditions. They wouldn't have been able to get the jobs otherwise. They aren't morally in the right, and neither is the story about them being in the right. >
  
  You’re forgetting that in parasite the son was actually a genius and smarter than his wealthy friend. Which is funny because the entire family to some degree had more skills, knowledge, and intelligence than the family they were working for, which tells the audience that none of those things actually matter in this type of society. So despite the son being smarter and helping to educate the rich family he just couldn’t afford to go to college and had to help his parents with bills hence why he didn’t reach his potential. I’d say that that is far from being a failure. Also they weren’t living like kings even when they had those jobs they were still very poor just slightly better than where they started. And In order to secure those jobs they had to step on and destroy other poor peoples lives just to get (a little more) scraps. 
  Which brings me to my next point. Even after all the lying and manipulation they still had their home flooded and were still seen as (smelly and lesser than). They tried to live vicariously through the wealthy people (pretending to be them when they went on the camping trip) but realized they would never reach that level. And even after everything that happened, the son still tried to reach that level of wealth in order to buy the house to save his hiding father, which is the saddest part. They would never be able to do it. Because the wage gap is so deep. 
  Also the issue with capitalism is that “it exist”. It the fact that it thrives off off of the disparity of others. You have to some degree step over other and exploit others to reach certain heights. One of the biggest arguments we have is that if businesses paid worker a livable and far wage than the rich wouldn’t be able to make profit and wouldn’t be able to afford multiple homes. The wealthy would rather destroy the company by downsizing, or laying off workers rather than take a pay cut and we as a society support this because in some way we are all delusional enough to believe that one day we’ll be that rich if we work hard enough “and we’ll buy that house to save our father.” >
  
  I think you've shown discrimination is about maintaining power, usually through economics. Like will step on like and exploit like if it means they get a buck. I wish people would open their eyes to this - it's how elites maintain and consolidate control. It's not about black vs white, gender vs gender, religion vs religion. It's all about having power vs sharing it, and capitalism is the current way those dynamics work. >
  
  I was 13 when my mom decided to sit me down to talk about my future. When she explained that I'd more than likely have to get loans to go to college, it really confused me. I already knew I'd be 17 when I graduated high school, so I said, "So...I'll be just starting out in the world at 17 with a load of debt...just to go to college?"
  Mom: "Yes and then you'll get a good job that'll allow you to pay off that debt."
  "Didn't you go to college? And you're still paying for it?"
  "Well, yes, but you'll make so much more money with a degree than without one."
  "But...we're poor. We've always been poor, even with your degree."
  "But we'd be poorer if I didn't have it."
  What. The. Fuck.
  And some people just eat this up, they don't think about it at all. I'm being told to go into debt that I could potentially be paying back for the rest of my life in order to try to be successful. That's just stupid and exploitative to me. But what did I know? I was 13. >
  
  If your takeaway is that poor people did it to themselves you completely missed the point lol capitalism brings out the worst in people because it forces people into desperate situations. That’s the message >
  
  My man, you just didn't understand Parasite at all. >
  
  And compared that masterpiece to fuckin Squid Game >
  
  Masterpiece....lmao >
  
  You didn’t like Parasite? >
  
  It was fine, but I think masterpiece is quite a stretch. >
  
  Definitely not a fucking masterpiece lmfao. >
  
  A movie I saw do a decent job at critiquing it was Wall-E. It wasn’t “poor vs rich” but it explained how a lot of capitalism revolves around excess and over-inflation of the value of a certain good/experience/luxury. It gave you quaint yet powerful visuals of how capitalism rips through our planet and isolates us from having human experiences. This was juxtaposed by the final scenes of the movie where the characters get disconnected from all that and are finally able to work toward a common goal for the good of everyone and not just for the benefit of some. >
  
  That's because the poor people probably died with the Earth. >
  
  I think far more likely that you just didn’t understand Parasite or Squid Game >
  
  That’s two of the worst takes I’ve ever seen. 
  There’s a difference between listening to music, and really hearing it. The same thing is true for movies, there’s a difference between watching something and really seeing it. You watched both of these. 
  Have an unpopular opinion upvote friend. >
  
  OP sounds like my mom, she always watched movies with deeper messages and never understood them. "Joker" was one of those movies. >
  
  Just watched it last night. OP should watch joker, he tries really hard but still gets fucked by the system >
  
  Hello zero reading comprehension. 
  Or in this case, viewing comprehension >
  
  
  Squid game is the same way. It shows regular people going out of their own way to do bad things intentionally and then trying to blame capitalism for it. The issues for both of these isn’t capitalism, it’s because the people in these stories are selfish idiots.
  
  You're forgetting that the game didn't apparate out of nothing, it was created by obscenely rich sons of bitches who derived entertainment out of misery
  
  It only backfired because of the harmful shitty things THEY did. Capitalism didn’t force them to do this shit, they did it themselves because they were failures.
  
  Do you remember how a massive flood destroyed their home, and they had no choice but to keep working and tolerate their out-of-touch boss who was losing her shit about having the perfect birthday party? Or how the reason there was a crazy guy in the basement was because he and his wife had nowhere to live (I think due to medical bills?) and she needed that job in order to secure his hidey hole?
  People in bad situations will make bad choices. Their life depends on it. That's capitalism, baby >
  
  The main character chick that escaped North Korea? 
  I’m pretty sure the point was they were in those conditions because they were not born in financially advantageous situations. As many people benefit from capitalism, many don’t. 
  However to OP’s point squid game more so showed desperation, I didn’t immediately think, capitalism. >
  
  Only a tiny minority benefit >
  
  The West has been doing the best it ever has. >
  
  In what ways? >
  
  Pretty much every measurement. Human development index, social liberties, GDP etc. >
  
  You mean that at least the US is not going completely backwards? And human liberties? really? Also look at how the countries the US has invaded in the past 5 decades and see how they're doing. >
  
  The USA is a mongrel subhuman nation not worthy of discussion. I am Dutch and you should listen to us. We are the principle of capitalism, we are the closest thing to perfection. We are the closest thing to God. >
  
  While I do not know much about dutch society and how it runs. Though as a fellow European I do believe I've heard that the Netherlands still have some socialistic aspects to it. >
  
  I thought we were anti-capitalist? Which means getting rid of capitalism. The Dutch system is fundamentally capitalist. All European countries are. >
  
  For me, these shows just emphasize something we can all agree on. Poverty sucks. >
  
  If there’s one thing I’ve learned in life is that being poor fucking sucks. >
  
  I think what you’re not understanding is that both squid game and parasite show how the pursuit of capitalism can warp a person and create more issues. The rich in these films are already bad people and capitalism has already changed them, we just don’t get to see their growth to get to that point compared to our main characters. The rich in squid game are obviously terrible people and the rich family in parasite are fairly stupid and selfish people who think less of everyone around them and they do not have a realistic grasp on the world, especially the father. I’d recommend watching these again to better understand this. >
  
  Parasite and Squid Game are so much more than just a critique of capitalism. I have a feeling you know nothing about Korean culture, let alone the themes they tackle. My god, my comment sounds like a r/iamverysmart ... Regardless, your ignorance baffles.
  Edit: and upvote for being unpopular. >
  
  Felt the same thing. Both Squid Game and Parasite can only be fully understood when you understand Korean culture and politics. While I don't think that Parasite is Bong's best work, he did an amazing job at displaying what's wrong with modern Korean society >
  
  Tell me you’re rich without saying “I’m rich” >
  
  I don't think the messages of these media are anti-capitalist. They seem more anti-rich or anti-decadence which isn't a strictly capitalist issue. >
  
  I think the point is how the overarching system creates a situation where people almost forced to make these sorts of choices. It's like how poverty creates crime and prosperity lowers it. People with more options will seldom pick the illegal or immoral one >
  
  Wait... why do the people do bad things in Squid Game? Isn't it because the capitalist system put them in an unrecoverable amount of debt?
  I thought the whole point was that people have medical bills, foreclosures, etc, that drove them to play the Squid Game for the chance to claw themselves out of that insurmountable debt. How is that not a valid critique of the capatilist system? >
  
  "But they could've just worked harder"😮‍💨 >
  
  How to misunderstand movies 101.  
  Take my upvote. >
  
  Seems like subtitles are tough for OP. >
  
  Uh OP working does not equal capitalism >
  
  “I have poor media comprehension, therefore the media I got presented with is bad.” I mean the shows are overrated to hell due to how much they stand out from your regular western media, but that is just a criticism of western media in the first place. >
  
  Oh yeah, the shitty things the Guy did in squid game, like being addicted to gambling and living in a society where his job was taken from him because he wanted better work conditions and a better wage só that his daughter could have a better life, and só that his diabetic old mother could STOP working because She was about to die...
  Yeah, that dude deserved It, capitalism didn't force his mother to work a shitty job her entire life, It also didn't kill her because treatment was tio expensive, It also didn't fuck him over because workwers were exploited as much as possible.
  Theres also the guy who worked for someone and the didn't get pais because fuck workwers capitalism allows owners to fuck employes over and steal from them very easily with minimal consequences.
  Wow, How bad they were, capitalism really didn't do anything, capitalism good >
  
  honestly on this point your better of defending the protagonist of parasite. At least in parasite the protagonist was smart and hard working. Wanted to make you root for him even though he was straying of path
  Fucking the guy from squid games is an absolute deadbeat who doesnt try to get his shit together till PAST the last second. And right when hes about to make it all right, make it all worth it for his daughter. He choses personal revenge over that. Its alright been some time that her daughter lived in america. And again PAST the last second he ruins everything by choosing himself over his daughter. AGAIN >
  
  I didn't view the rich family in "Parasite" as bad or evil in any. I just viewed them as oblivious. Maybe that's just me. >
  
  Were the movies actually focused on critiquing capitalism or just marketed that way? >
  
  Damn, they just flew right over your head. >
  
  Squid game was never made to critique the rich, its a killing game first and foremost. It is the same as Alice in borderland. The only reason the rich are involved is because there needs to be a plausible reason as to why the killing game is occurring >
  
  This is just not true. It does critique the rich. The whole point of the show is to show how grotesquely inhuman the rich views of the working class are. So much so that they pay millions to see poor people compete against each other to the death only to actually give money to one of the competitors.
  No media literacy lol >
  
  You are further proven wrong by the game series danganronpa, zero escape and the anime tomodachi game. There are plenty more examples.
  Squid game needed a motive for the characters to keep fighting, other than to keep living. They needed to create interesting character dynamics that hadn’t been done before. The best way to do this was through money. The debt, how it affects family, how people truly think more about others than themselves. 
  You can even watch notes by the creator. He wanted to create a killing game, different from the rest. Childhood challenges were not a plot on their own and he said money opens more doors for story. 
  The creator has never mentioned how he hates the rich, or that he wanted to show how bad the rich are. He wanted to make an in depth story, characters with proper motives and scenarios of which people could relate to. >
  
  Sorry, why does Danganronpa etc prove the other person wrong? I'm not arguing, I'm just unsure what you mean and am a fan of both Squid Game and dgr :) >
  
  I think he means Danganronpa V3 when he is referring danganronpa. I DONT KNOW HOW TO MAKR SPOILERS SO BEWARE HUGE SPOILERS.
  In V3 it is shown that it is the publics will for the killing game to be organized. It is revealed to be a TV show where people eagerly audition to get in. Life is so peaceful that they need the killing game to add variety into their lives. >
  
  Man you're the kind of person that you must be fun at parties meme is based around. >
  
  Everyone here defending squid game but not parasite. >
  
  A lot of people here have. Parasite is a great movie that OP clearly didn’t understand. Makes debating his points less fulfilling because he really didn’t make any. >
  
  I am a capitalist but I would suggest you watch a movie called “The Platform”. It is a great Spanish movie dubbed in English on Netflix, and the underlying theme is greed vs forced equality. Essentially fascism vs communism. Great watch. >
  
  No doubts, that film slaps hard >
  
  Sure they’re selfish idiots but maybe that’s because capitalism very effectively produces selfish idiots. >
  
  I think both are a critique on Korean society and how it's antiquated ways got co opted by the capitalistic logic of prioritizing profit over other things such as virtues.
  In Parasites for example they have to cheat their way around the system to have a better living, because things are so socially bad in Korea that they need to live on a basement. 
  The problem is that their cheating goes so far up its own ass it exploded when their cheating collides with the maid's cheating whom are also living like parasites.
  Then the rich guys are also parasites on their own that were lucky of being born with the right contacts but still, parasites that do no good.
  And Squid Game showcases the issues with debt in Korean society, difference with the USA is that in the USA you don't pay your debts you go to jail.
  In Korea, they'll break your legs or sell you away in the worst case scenario and no one will bat an eye.
  Squid game showcases the desperation of those in the lowest levels of Korean society, willing to incurre in a game where they're reduced to nothing with the promise of earning enough money to escape misery because otherwise Korean society wouldn't let them.
  Want a good critique about capitalism? Lord of war, that's an amazing movie. >
  
  Debtors prison does not exist in the US. You can never be sent to jail purely on debt alone. You’ll just have your wages garnished or your things repossessed or something to that effect. >
  
  Woha that's cool, better than having to or being forced to sell your kidneys >
  
  Capitalism is absolutely terrible. I can go on a long long rant about how shit capitalism is and this is from a guy with a very very good six figure job. The rich are absolute psychopaths. There was a PBS documentary on Bezos a few years ago that laid it all out. >
  
  You mentioned two Korean things, which both have messages about capitalism yes, but are equally commenting on the brutal system of social classes within Korean society. >
  
  And what were their motivations? >
  
  Sounds to me like you just don’t like Korean work. /s >
  
  You realllllly didn't understand Parasite if you think that the poor family is the true "parasite" in the movie >
  
  You completely missed the point of Parasite >
  
  
  Capitalism didn’t force them to do this shit, they did it themselves because they were failures.
  
  I think you'll find homelessness and starvation as powerful motivators. The baseline assumption of a capitalistic system is that there will be people who will have nothing and die because of it. The motivating factor to produce value starts with not wanting to be one of those people. Slavery was a perfect solution for capitalism because it designated a permanent underclass that could produce value without retaining value itself.
  Capitalism is the shittiest thing humans have done to themselves. >
  
  Slavery has existed since ancient agricultural economies, it was never a product of Capitalism. And for that matter, capitalism helped eliminate slavery by creating innovative technologies that rendered the need for mass amounts of unskilled field labor both redundant and more expensive. John Deere and Cyrus McCormick, as well the other pioneers of mechanical farming, were the ultimate cause for the collapse of plantation economies. In the same vein, it also made food cheaper and more available to the common man. 
  The question therefore does capitalism raise the standards of living for all? And that it has (other than those who had invested heavily in slaves). >
  
  Slavery is perfectly capitalistic and it’s existence before capitalism as we know it isn’t a counter argument to that. A slave is a perfect worker in a capitalist society as it is the minimum payment needed to pay a human to work. The only thing better than slavery is automation because it costs even less because you don’t have to feed and house people. Slaves being replaced was a byproduct and not the intended effect. 
  There is a reason why the end of slavery, minimum wage, child labor laws were government interventions. It’s the same reason companies fight to find the closest situation to slavery across the world to reduce costs as much as possible. That is until they can automate the job for a cheaper price. >
  
  Honestly, I didn’t get how squid game was against capitalism at all.  Normal people in capitalism don’t put themselves in totally fucked situations like that.
  I took it more as a roadmap for poor decisions.  Drug addicts, gamblers, drug dealers, bums, gang members, all people who refuse to take part in society or engage in criminal activity get so deep into it that they can’t find a easy way out anymore.  Then they see another “easy” solution and find out that is was significantly more dangerous and harder than just participating in the system as designed.  All because in their heads they see it is an easy solution.  Fast money instead of a life.  Play a few games and be rich, versus working hard and living average (or below average depending on how poor their previous decisions have been).  Literally had a top tier businessman playing the game because he gambled and lost hard.  That’s not capitalisms fault, that’s an excessive risk-comfortable gambling addiction, paired with access to significant funds.
  At any point, any of the people involved could own up to their situation and turn it around.  The inner demons of each of them justify the losses and pain as acceptable when it means they could walk away with near unlimited cash at the end.  They choose to participate in this instead of a regular life. >
  
  
  Play a few games and be rich, versus working hard and living average (or below average depending on how poor their previous decisions have been).
  
  Yeah because people who work harder get more money🙄. I guess little Raj in India supplying your favourite clothing brand with sweet new t-shirts is just not working, like at all, since he barely gets "paid". >
  
  I think relating everything to sweat shops is kinda silly.
  Raj is probably doing better than his peers in India.  The same as hard workers in the USA do better than their peers in the USA.  Obviously brains, degrees and ambition have a major role to play as well.
  Working hard has paid off really well for me. >
  
  
  Obviously brains, degrees and ambition have a major role to play as well.
  
  Ironic that Elon musk only checked 1 out of those 3 boxes then. 
  And hey, if you working harder gives you more money, then thank God that you won't have to skip out on school education just to keep your family from starving, and probably having to see at least one of them die from some illness due to lack of available health care.
  My point is that you would get a lot more support and financial gain from working hard in a socialist society.