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  Maybe some jade gold fusion formula that only they’ve mastered, it’s sci fi you sleepy potato, you can literally just act like it doesn’t exist
context: Namor was the movie's saving grace and every scene without him was just slow paced, overly dramatic, or boring.
  I remember pausing it on Disney+ for a bathroom break and thinking "Fuck, there's still an hour and 40 minutes left?" >
  
  When I watched in the cinema i sort of started to realise how long it has been and I was like this is nowhere near the final conflict yet why is this film so long >
  
  Exactly, they could have cut legitimately an hour or so and it would have made basically no difference >
  
  They needed to cut out the American girl's plotline completely. It wasn't necessary and they could have focused on Namor a little more. >
  
  She's a Marvel hero too--Ironheart I believe. That's why she was introduced and given so much screen time. Although she's an awful character so far and I'm not saying this cuz she's black. I literally saw Black Panther 1 & 2 in theaters. I just don't like her character.
  I'm not a fan of ultra genius, sassy ass kid characters.
  They deus ex machina every situation and then they act all high and mighty about it. Ewww.
  A good character has flaws.
  Hopefully her movie gives her more nuance but Black Panther 2 made her seem unlikable. >
  
  i always hate the ultragenius characters because they always shit on the other people in their field. "oh, those guys working their asses off in a field they love? idiots. Complete morons. I built a working nuclear reactor in my sleep when i was 2" >
  
  Totally. They're just assholes. Tony Stark is also an asshole but he's at least extremely entertaining about it. Hard not to like Tony Stark. 
  I didn't mind Shuri but having another genius character in the same movie seemed a bit redundant.
  Funnily enough, it ended with multiple iron Man type suits flying around the battle field at the end. Which just isn't that fun to watch anymore. >
  
  Yeah and Tony's genius was a little more balanced and justifiable. He had a long career in the  weapons industry and had access to world class technology ip and equipment. He didn't invent the arc reactors overnight he adapted an abandoned r&d project for it. 
  On top of that he is an emotionally interesting character. He acts like an ah hotshot externally but internally his true drive is fear and anxiety. He doesn't spend his life optimizing his equipment because he wants to be a cool badass he does it because he's terrified of not being able to protect the people around him. >
  
  Tony also blew himself up a few times. You watched the development and it felt like he earned it. >
  
  More than that, in the MCU, he did it first. It's a lot easier to enjoy something while it's fresh and new vs when you've already seen 3 different characters with the same schtick. 
  I mean plus, let's be honest RDJ oozes charisma. >
  
  I really enjoyed the first movie, but Wakada Forever was easily forgettable.  The only scene I can recall was the Queen's emotional speech to the bald woman (I forgot their names).  That scene was so powerful. >
  
  Wakanda Forever was never going to measure up to Black Panther.  It had the impossibly tall task of respectfully dealing with Chadwick’s death, and setting up whoever had to take up the mantle next after his portrayal of the character.  It could have been two separate movies to tackle each task, but that would have been tactless.  It also came at a phase in the MCU where old characters are being retired and new ones introduced, so it felt like another drop in the bucket of recent installments, sadly. 
  Also they should have brought Bucky back to Wakanda.  That movie could have used some James Buchanan Barnes. >
  
  Crossover support... THAT is what it was missing. >
  
  Yeah, it really seemed to lack the interconnectedness that ties Marvel films together. I think somebody namedropped the Hulk once, but otherwise don't remember any other nods to the broader MCU.  No end credit teasers, no special cameos, it almost could have been a stand alone film. >
  
  Some agent screams out that, "she's got an ironman suit" in the garage scene. that gave me a chuckle >
  
  Which almost didn't even make sense. At that point, her "suit" was barely an exoskeleton. With how famous Iron man was, no one would look at her suit and immediately think "iron man". >
  
  Probably just a quick and understandable way for him to communicate with the other soldiers that she has a powered suit of some kind, instead of "she has a powered exoskeleton!" >
  
  You can say that about almost all marvel projects made after Endgame >
  
  RDJ carried Marvel on his back. Without him there is no soul. >
  
  I disagree with that. Even though RDJ was great. I think the focus went from trying to tell a great story into getting all the PC boxes checked. As Asian American, I still think they failed. >
  
  PC boxes or not is really not the problem. They are simply not choosing good stories to tell, and the stories they are choosing to tell relly on you watching their TV shows to fully enjoy what is being told. 
  I think Marvel picks back up when they go to X-Men and Fantastic Four stories. >
  
  I feel like Disney+ revitalized Star Wars but killed Marvel. >
  
  It's just too much. Three movies a year, three shows, and a couple short films. That's a lot to keep up with, and the burn out is too easy. >
  
  I don't buy that. If the quality remained excellent, no one is getting "burned out" on 30-40 hours of their favorite content over the span of a year. 
  People will binge 30 hours of one show over a long weekend if it holds their interest. You only feel "burnt out" if what you're watching doesn't end up hitting the quality standard that's expected.
  I'm not "burnt-out" on Marvel after watching Wakanda Forever, I'm just disappointed they didn't make a better movie. Same thing I said after almost all the movies in phase 4. It's not burnout, they're just not very good movies. Its' all fan-service and grossly bloated scripts. >
  
  I thought it was pretty good but goddamn was it long. I’m kind of tired of every Marvel movie being 3 hours long now >
  
  I think
  It was a good film, for the main character dying and most of the original
  Cast being expected to carry on and not only mourn him on camera but also off camera. 
  What I didn’t like it how uneven and OP the sea people were. I also don’t like how they gave them vibranium.  I get they didn’t want to do the Atlantis thing, but atleast make their secret element jade which was commonly used in their culture. 
  His fight with M’baku should’ve been longer >
  
  Make their secret element jade? Bro jade exists lol. What do you mean?