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  I enjoyed Love and Thunder more than Wakanda Forever. I don't understand why Love and Thunder bombed but Wakanda Forever was lauded.
  There, I said it.
context: Namor was the movie's saving grace and every scene without him was just slow paced, overly dramatic, or boring.
  I remember pausing it on Disney+ for a bathroom break and thinking "Fuck, there's still an hour and 40 minutes left?" >
  
  When I watched in the cinema i sort of started to realise how long it has been and I was like this is nowhere near the final conflict yet why is this film so long >
  
  Exactly, they could have cut legitimately an hour or so and it would have made basically no difference >
  
  They needed to cut out the American girl's plotline completely. It wasn't necessary and they could have focused on Namor a little more. >
  
  She's a Marvel hero too--Ironheart I believe. That's why she was introduced and given so much screen time. Although she's an awful character so far and I'm not saying this cuz she's black. I literally saw Black Panther 1 & 2 in theaters. I just don't like her character.
  I'm not a fan of ultra genius, sassy ass kid characters.
  They deus ex machina every situation and then they act all high and mighty about it. Ewww.
  A good character has flaws.
  Hopefully her movie gives her more nuance but Black Panther 2 made her seem unlikable. >
  
  i always hate the ultragenius characters because they always shit on the other people in their field. "oh, those guys working their asses off in a field they love? idiots. Complete morons. I built a working nuclear reactor in my sleep when i was 2" >
  
  Totally. They're just assholes. Tony Stark is also an asshole but he's at least extremely entertaining about it. Hard not to like Tony Stark. 
  I didn't mind Shuri but having another genius character in the same movie seemed a bit redundant.
  Funnily enough, it ended with multiple iron Man type suits flying around the battle field at the end. Which just isn't that fun to watch anymore. >
  
  Yeah and Tony's genius was a little more balanced and justifiable. He had a long career in the  weapons industry and had access to world class technology ip and equipment. He didn't invent the arc reactors overnight he adapted an abandoned r&d project for it. 
  On top of that he is an emotionally interesting character. He acts like an ah hotshot externally but internally his true drive is fear and anxiety. He doesn't spend his life optimizing his equipment because he wants to be a cool badass he does it because he's terrified of not being able to protect the people around him. >
  
  Tony also blew himself up a few times. You watched the development and it felt like he earned it. >
  
  More than that, in the MCU, he did it first. It's a lot easier to enjoy something while it's fresh and new vs when you've already seen 3 different characters with the same schtick. 
  I mean plus, let's be honest RDJ oozes charisma. >
  
  I really enjoyed the first movie, but Wakada Forever was easily forgettable.  The only scene I can recall was the Queen's emotional speech to the bald woman (I forgot their names).  That scene was so powerful. >
  
  Wakanda Forever was never going to measure up to Black Panther.  It had the impossibly tall task of respectfully dealing with Chadwick’s death, and setting up whoever had to take up the mantle next after his portrayal of the character.  It could have been two separate movies to tackle each task, but that would have been tactless.  It also came at a phase in the MCU where old characters are being retired and new ones introduced, so it felt like another drop in the bucket of recent installments, sadly. 
  Also they should have brought Bucky back to Wakanda.  That movie could have used some James Buchanan Barnes. >
  
  Crossover support... THAT is what it was missing. >
  
  Yeah, it really seemed to lack the interconnectedness that ties Marvel films together. I think somebody namedropped the Hulk once, but otherwise don't remember any other nods to the broader MCU.  No end credit teasers, no special cameos, it almost could have been a stand alone film. >
  
  Some agent screams out that, "she's got an ironman suit" in the garage scene. that gave me a chuckle >
  
  Which almost didn't even make sense. At that point, her "suit" was barely an exoskeleton. With how famous Iron man was, no one would look at her suit and immediately think "iron man". >
  
  Probably just a quick and understandable way for him to communicate with the other soldiers that she has a powered suit of some kind, instead of "she has a powered exoskeleton!" >
  
  You can say that about almost all marvel projects made after Endgame >
  
  RDJ carried Marvel on his back. Without him there is no soul. >
  
  I disagree with that. Even though RDJ was great. I think the focus went from trying to tell a great story into getting all the PC boxes checked. As Asian American, I still think they failed. >
  
  PC boxes or not is really not the problem. They are simply not choosing good stories to tell, and the stories they are choosing to tell relly on you watching their TV shows to fully enjoy what is being told. 
  I think Marvel picks back up when they go to X-Men and Fantastic Four stories. >
  
  I feel like Disney+ revitalized Star Wars but killed Marvel. >
  
  It's just too much. Three movies a year, three shows, and a couple short films. That's a lot to keep up with, and the burn out is too easy. >
  
  I don't buy that. If the quality remained excellent, no one is getting "burned out" on 30-40 hours of their favorite content over the span of a year. 
  People will binge 30 hours of one show over a long weekend if it holds their interest. You only feel "burnt out" if what you're watching doesn't end up hitting the quality standard that's expected.
  I'm not "burnt-out" on Marvel after watching Wakanda Forever, I'm just disappointed they didn't make a better movie. Same thing I said after almost all the movies in phase 4. It's not burnout, they're just not very good movies. Its' all fan-service and grossly bloated scripts. >
  
  I thought it was pretty good but goddamn was it long. I’m kind of tired of every Marvel movie being 3 hours long now >
  
  I think
  It was a good film, for the main character dying and most of the original
  Cast being expected to carry on and not only mourn him on camera but also off camera. 
  What I didn’t like it how uneven and OP the sea people were. I also don’t like how they gave them vibranium.  I get they didn’t want to do the Atlantis thing, but atleast make their secret element jade which was commonly used in their culture. 
  His fight with M’baku should’ve been longer >
  
  Make their secret element jade? Bro jade exists lol. What do you mean? >
  
  Maybe some jade gold fusion formula that only they’ve mastered, it’s sci fi you sleepy potato, you can literally just act like it doesn’t exist >
  
  Homie that’s why they made some new shit up lol. I’m with you on also making up some new shit for sea people. But jade isn’t a secret, haha. Now if you called it jadium. And it was loosely based off jade but also fit somewhere in the universes power scaling, sure. But just fucking jade? I’m dying. Thank you. That’s a great laugh. >
  
  I like this concept >
  
  Huh, interesting. I actually wasn't too big of a fan of the first one, and enjoyed this one way more >
  
  I completely agree. I really enjoyed Wakanda Forever more than the first movie. I mean, this opens up all of the possibilities for T’Challah to meet Storm, especially because they’ve already tied Wakanda into the mutant world. I wish more people were excited about that. >
  
  This was way better than the first one. The discussion about the first and third world and the metaphors for all of that were much better in this movie in the last. The first one had a few good points (mostly made by the bad guy) but quickly got sucked into Marvel's 3 Act Plot mechanism. >
  
  The real transgressor was the first Black Panther movie. Just another Marvel movie made by the same Marvel formula
  But it was given 3 Oscars, among other awards. >
  
  It wasn't even one of the BETTER Marvel movies.  
  I've seen it twice and I barely remember anything from it because it was so boring and non-sensical. It also had some of the worst CGI in the series.   
  Oscars is a joke. >
  
  
  It also had some of the worst CGI in the series.
  
  Counter point: no Marvel movie will ever have CGI as bad as the Killmonger T'challa fight at the end of the first one. >
  
  That's not a counter point >
  
  Thought they were saying wakanda forever had some of the worst, my bad. >
  
  Yeah, so you’re agreeing with him. Counter point is when you have a point that disagrees >
  
  Counter counter point >
  
  It’s funny that this popped up on my Reddit feed because I sort of had the opposite experience.
  I’ve tried keeping away from hyping myself too much about Marvel movies after Dr. Strange and Thor were big disappointments to me. So I know and have read very, very little going into BP2. People I know in real life all seemed pretty disappointed about the movie and at very best said it was pretty average. So I pretty much didn’t care to see it at all after not really caring for it to begin with and people giving me pretty low reactions to it.
  Well, this morning I got back from early morning grocery shopping. Made some breakfast and thought, “Fuck it they put it on Disney+, I’ll check it out while eating and turn it off when I’m done cause I’m sure I won’t like it.”
  And surprisingly, I enjoyed it. I think Namor was a very interesting character and probably the best film antagonist Marvel has had in awhile. I thought they handled Chadwick’s death very well and did a good job continuing the story without him.
  I think the combo of a strong antagonist and going in with extremely low expectations left me pleasantly surprised. >
  
  Agreed. I also loved seeing the Wakandans vs the Talocans. Africans vs Mayans with futuristic versions of their ancient weapons? That's just a fun time by itself. >
  
  Was boring and forgettable.  And that’s from a hardcore Marvel fan. >
  
  So boring. Not enough cool super hero stuff, hardly any quips or fun, iron heart did nothing, virtually no other tie ins, references, or setups for the future. And it was the last movie of phase 4, which is supposedly setting up the next major saga. The last movie of phase 1 was The Avengers.   I think the only weaker phase 4 movie was Eternals. >
  
  Tenoch Huert and Angela Basset reportedly experienced severe back pain from carrying the entire film >
  
  I remember I got convinced the first one was special, so I watched it. And it felt just like every other superhero movie I’d ever seen. Tropes and all. Not bad, but really not anything special either. >
  
  GASP.. You must be racist 🤷🏻‍♂️ >
  
  Not the first time I’ve heard that comment >
  
  I’m sure you mean about the movie but it does sound kind of funny if you think about it >
  
  I didn't like the first Black Panther and probably won't be watching the new one. Chadwick Boseman was great in the role, I just didn't think it was a good movie. >
  
  Civil war black panther was so good. They really watered down the character as the films went on >
  
  Yes! Man, I was so disappointed with the Black Panther movie. BP was straight up the best part of Civil War. 
  Had he had a movie before the first or even second Avengers movie, I definitely think it would've been incredible. >
  
  I liked it >
  
  I enjoyed it too. I felt emotional in the beginning and the end about Chadwick. I thought that it was handled respectfully and in good taste. 
  I also loved that black panther and the other side characters were women. It’s nice to have more representation. 
  I didn’t think the story line was ground breaking, but not many superhero films are anyway. >
  
  I just watched it yesterday. It was pretty good. But I like this kind of stuff so whatevs. >
  
  Namor was fantastic >
  
  It was pretty much a mess of bloat, poor motivations, contrivance, and worst of all a lead with all the charisma of pack of tums. The worst thing about it though, is that it's probably the best thing phase 4 had to offer. Phase 4 has been a shit show. Theres promising bits here and there, but it's all just ultimately garbage. Victoria Alonso is just out of her depth and it shows in every production. 
  By the way, phase 4 had more minutes of content in 2 years than phases 1 2 and 3 had in over a decade. Disney is just shitting out content to be consumed at this point. >
  
  You didn’t like the Spider-Man movie? Def a lot better than this >
  
  i hated the message. as in, killing someone so horrible is... bad. like no it isnt, this is a person whos a danger of society. not killing your evil villain is how you end up in a batman situation and fight the same clown for 80 years, not to mention its unsatisfying as hell. can we bring back killing villains? its far better than this wishy washy bullshit. or at least can we make their own plans kill them? >
  
  That's the thing though, Peter fixed them all, so they could all go back and be semi-normal members of society. >
  
  I saw it in the theater and it didn’t feel long or boring to me at all. It it actually seemed to go by pretty quickly. >
  
  I watched it at home and was glued to the screen My first reaction was “oh my god it’s almost 3 hours?” Then I watched it and was like “That was the 3 hours? What the fuck” it really didn’t feel like it was that long.
  I’m usually really bad about checking how much time is left in a movie every few minutes but with this one I didn’t do that for whatever reason. >
  
  Started strong, then kept going and going… not to mention the blue skin and underwater kingdom looked really terrible and it was released a few weeks before Avatar. >
  
  I didn't watch trailers or anything from both movies and was legit confused in the beginning like "is this avatar? Wtf" >
  
  Same here. My first thought was did they rush to get this out just to get it out before avatar 2? >
  
  Twas shite >
  
  Honestly, I don’t think this is an unpopular opinion, it’s just that everyone is scared to say it. >
  
  This! >
  
  Yeah. I had people hate because I said the first one was bad, too. My now 8 year old loves the franchise, though. Then again, he loves ninjago with passion so I don't know if his opinion matters. >
  
  you bald headed demon >
  
  Considering the extensive rewrites it turned out better than I thought.
  But it was nowhere near as hyped as the first one >
  
  The social race element to those movies made them unbearable. By “social race element,” I mean the fact that they were moronically made out to be shining symbols of black power, when in fact they’re just mediocre films and are incapable of addressing real issues in society. >
  
  The politics of it were crazy. In one speech they’re complaining about colonialism while talking about how they’re spying on everyone and while they execute military operations in foreign nations without permission. All from a woman who has absolute power and whom wasn’t elected.
  It kept making me roll my eyes. >
  
  Wakanda is a horribly racist black nationalist movie, intended for propaganda purposes and doing exactly what white people and some other groups like the Japanese aren't allowed to do. Most heavily politicized, dogmatic and ideogical movies are bad. The goal is not 'the beauty of art', but to propagate an (hypocritical) ideology. 
  I know what kind of frankly boring and redundant responses I will receive for my position on this matter, but you should know that I really do not care. If you possess the ability to actually discuss a topic, then feel free to respond. Shrieks of me being racist will just glide off me as rain from a raincoat. >
  
  Wait wasn’t the entire point of the first black panther that they shouldn’t remain isolated? That was why it ended with them opening up to the world. Its meant to do the opposite of the thing you said >
  
  I can guarantee the guy you’re replying to hasn’t watch an BP movies. The villain of the first movie is literally a black supremacist lmao >
  
  He was talking about the second one. >
  
  That still doesn’t make his comment make sense >
  
  The first one wasnt either. It was barely mid tbh.
  We know why these movies are praised. >
  
  That's racist! /s >
  
  It will get best picture, best supporting actor, etc >
  
  It’s not nominated for best picture, nor best supporting actor. Angela Basset did get a best supporting actress nod though so that may be what you’re thinking of. After watching the movie I can say she may have a chance but I honestly want Stephanie Hsu to get it for EEAAO . >
  
  Both films are incredibly dull, dont know why they received such acclaim. >
  
  I thought that Captain America The Winter Soldier was a much better film, or Spider-Man 2, or Guardians of the Galaxy, not sure if any of them received Oscar Nominations . . . >
  
  I tell people this but you need to watch the movie in IMAX. It's way more enjoyable that way. >
  
  It was not, it was just boring on a bigger screen. >
  
  I’m sorry but I also thought the original BP was poor too. The fight on the trains near the end was a PS3 cut scene level of CGI and some of the dialogue was poor >
  
  Aren't those superhero movies for kids? >
  
  Just watched it a couple days ago, it’s boring. It’s not bad and it’s not good, it’s just 😑. Anybody who thinks it’s AMAZING either are kidding themselves or have awful taste. >
  
  Not unpopular.  Just factual. >
  
  They never should have moved forward with the movie after Chadwick passed. 
  Wakanda Forever was not good. >
  
  Agreed, was rubbish. Loads of the recent Marvel stuff is entirely forgettable nonsense. >
  
  Both black panther movies are mid >
  
  It shared an issue that Dark Knight Rises and Iron Man 3 shared... not enough of the main hero. >
  
  It's way too long, could easily be shortened down to 1h30 >
  
  When it comes to Marvel movies now, I have lost massive interest, all of them just seem so boring, the CGI contributing to that, it's all just gone downhill from Endgame if you ask me >
  
  Everything good about this movie is a result of Chadwick being dead. If he were just in this movie with this plot, it would be standard, boring marvel. And that’s a strange thing