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  So instead of doing their jobs, they think the ideal solution is to try to micromanage how the Treasury deals with the fact that they didn't do their jobs? As if they didn't still have an important job to do, instead of doing that?
context: Per the article, they're going to protect a very limited list of programs, and gut the rest of the government:
  
  A hypothetical proposal that protects Social Security, Medicare, veterans benefits and the military would still leave out huge swaths of critical federal expenditures on things such as Medicaid, food safety inspections, border control and air traffic control, to name just a handful of thousands of programs. >
  
  Lol just when we thought we were out of the dark side of American politics we get thrown right back into it. Good luck over there guys. You gonna needs it. Please don’t crash the global economy. >
  
  
  Please don’t crash the global economy.
  
  Unfortunately, there's a decent chance that that's what will end up happening. >
  
  God damnit, I’ve finally got my business killing it again after Covid. Give me at least 12 months of stability please before shit gets fucked again.
  Serious question, is there any way Biden can just force them to not shut down government? >
  
  
  Serious question, is there any way Biden can just force them to not shut down government?
  
  I don't believe so. Executive branch doesn't have that kind of power. >
  
  There's an argument that the debt ceiling violates Clause 4 of the 14th Amendment, which states:
  
  The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.
  
  But that won't stop the entire economy from burning down while we wait to hear what the Handmaiden, Cola Pubes, and The Boofmeister think about it. >
  
  That would work, assuming the Supreme Court doesn't dig up an obscure law from 1850 as an excuse to rule against eliminating the debt ceiling. >
  
  Which is to say, there's a 95% chance the Supreme Court rules the debt ceiling is constitutional because it gives Republicans what they want. >
  
  You forget that large corporations own the supreme court. Yes they have thrown the right wing conservatives a few token rulings, but the majority of the rulings are pro-business. They are not going to allow their stake holders to loose money at that scale. >
  
  This is a stupid idea and these nut jobs are dangerous. What ever happened to “The validity of the public debt” clause of the 14th amendment? >
  
  Republicans don't talk about that Amendment... They only recognize 1.5 amendments: 2nd amendment, and a bastardized version of freedom of speech/religion..... Actually, the 2nd is also a bastardized version.
  But yeah, Republicans specifically hate 13th-16th, 19th, and 24th amendments. >
  
  Let's not forget the 8th amendment, which is supposed to protect you from "cruel and unusual punishment" (physical or psychological torture). Republicans love pretending that one doesn't exist. >
  
  “It has to be both “cruel and unusual” at the same time -  torture was normal during insert convenient date so there’s nothing “unusual” about it. Therefore, it’s completely fine.” >
  
  "you see, back in 1845 there was established precedent for merely being cruel, and not unusual. As such, it is the opinion of our Founding Fathers that the 8th Amendment is null and void" >
  
  “You can’t just say an Amendment is null and void.”
  “We just did.”
  “This court’s decision is an outrage - and highly unusual!”
  “Unusual, perhaps, but not cruel.” >
  
  Yes let's risk crashing the economy - the republican way. >
  
  This is not Constitutional. All debts by Congress are to be paid, no exceptions. If Congress authorized the spending the money is allowed to be spent. The only way to stop the money from being spent is to stop the money from being spent legislatively. This is just theatre. >
  
  But the treasury isn’t legally allowed to borrow more than the debt ceiling to pay for all expenses of congress >
  
  Yes that is the law. However, the point is the law may be unconstitutional under the 14th amendment. It's never been tested in court. If it comes to it the White House may interpret the law as unconstitutional, order the Treasury to continue payments, and set up a court battle. >
  
  Well considering they haven’t had this legal battle the chances for success seem rather small because if they were high enough they would have already fought the battle in my opinion. >
  
  No. This is going to damage American interests even if the executive branch wins. Despite the systematic efforts to remove any sense of responsible governance from the republican party, they at least until recently had just enough people to act like adults, or at least too scared to accept the consequences of not doing so, to keep this from happening.
  If they've crossed that threshold, then we're gonna feel a lot of pain from it. >
  
  How do you know when Republicans are in charge?
  You have to constantly worry about parts of the government shutting down, affecting your job, paying your bills, and just living a normal life.
  Let the fun begin....like I don't have enough stress in my life. >
  
  Republicans before the election: Inflation is our number one problem!
  Republicans after the election: Our first solution is to move to a consumption tax which will make everything way more expensive! >
  
  I suggest you read more on the Fair Tax plan - specifically the rebates that make the purchases of low / medium income people tax free. >
  
  Oh yes, and it'll be distributed on pre-paid cards every month! but remember, that's just a "pre-rebate." if you calculated your taxes wrong, you could end up oweing them a lot of money. Who doesn't want to do their taxes 12x as often all so they can receive a card that likely won't be accepted anywhere but walmart and can be cancelled whenever you step out of line?
  This is what we've come to, people. A know-nothing radio DJ is defining our tax system. >
  
  There’s no calculating taxes.  Everyone gets the rebate that covers up to the poverty line.  Nobody has to pay anything back. >
  
  When did they change it to that? So let me get this straight, even if someone made zero purchases in a period, they'd get a check for an amount up to the poverty line? >
  
  Yes, you get a check monthly for the amount of taxes equivalent to the taxes paid at the poverty line.  So if the poverty line is 2000 per month, you get 2000 times the tax rate every month.  That way poor people don’t pay anything.
  This shouldn’t be a partisan debate.  It eliminates loopholes for big businesses, it protects the poor, and most importantly it greatly reduces the corruption from lobbyists trying to shape the complicated tax code. >
  
  
  This shouldn’t be a partisan debate.
  
  The hell it shouldn't. I don't think I have to say why someone might be opposed to what is essentially a universal basic income. >
  
  This is nothing like UBI.  And I have no idea why you would be against a small UBI even if that is what it is. >
  
  
  This is nothing like UBI.
  
  Oh, it's not?
  
  you get a check monthly... That way poor people don’t pay anything.
  
  How is that nothing like UBI? That's exactly like a UBI.
  
  I have no idea why you would be against a small UBI
  
  It's not just me. I'd wager a very large portion of the population is against any form of UBI. This idea is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard, but that's what i would expect from a "plan" that was created and workshopped on a fucking radio program. >
  
  Who in the pool had 14 days of regular order before the Republicans deliberately crashed America into the iceberg? >
  
  No, I had it at 29 days.  However, I did have "floor fight over outlawing drag shows" at 15 days. >
  
  They’re making plans for when they intentionally create a problem but no plans for just not needlessly creating problems in the first place. This is so blatantly corrupt we should all be disgusted and insulted. >
  
  Republicans are the party of recession, poverty and destitution. There hasn't been a Republican since Ike that has actually done anything beneficial for the economy. It's really puzzling that anyone would vote for them when they so pervasively fail at making anyone's lives better except a specific, very tiny fraction of the population. >
  
  Because the GOP make sure they convince their supporters that only minorities will be targeted.
  Anyone that is white, straight and right wing will still get their benefits etc. >
  
  
  minorities
  
  Which seems to mean nonwhites and half-whites >
  
  GOP played this fools game in 2011, and it resulted in the credit rating of the US being downgraded. >
  
  It also cost taxpayers BILLIONS of $, disrupted all government services and bankrupted small suppliers >
  
  
  House Republicans are preparing a plan telling the Treasury Department what to do
  
  The nice thing is that the "House Republicans" don't have unilateral authority to tell the Treasury to do squat. This'll never get past the Senate.
  
  Congress must pass a law raising the current limit of $31.4 trillion or the Treasury Department can’t borrow any more, even to pay for spending lawmakers have already authorized.
  
  Biden just needs to come out and say he's directing whatever legal entity is responsible to look into simply ignoring the debt ceiling. Don't let the GOP play this stupid game. Spin it as actually trying to govern, and still pay for things that affect people, while the GOP are willing to cut payments to programs "you" use. >
  
  14th amendment is pretty clear.  Republicans voting no on the debt ceiling already voted yes to spend the money. It’s already a valid public debt, strike the entire process. >
  
  They don't get to decide which programs Treasury funds. It's a gimmick >
  
  Hiho silver, appropriate away! >
  
  Say what? Republicans are doing exactly what Russia wants?  
  No way 
  /s just in case >
  
  Honestly, I am surprised they are agreeing to pay any bills at all seeing as they just tried to eliminate the office that collects the money needed to pay those bills. >
  
  Um, how would they “direct” the Treasury to do anything? They are not the executive. They don’t have the Senate. Am I missing something here? (Besides that they’re going to wreck the global economy on purpose so they can stop paying poor people) >
  
  You have the gist. >
  
  McCarthy fucking sold the entire country to become Speaker. This plan will fuck this country for years. >
  
  Decades. >
  
  Tell me you know the Repugs control the House without telling me you know the Repugs control the House. >
  
  The executive needs to ignore the debt ceiling and continue paying debt/programs. let Congress sue if they don't like it.
  It's arguably unconstitutional anyway. >
  
  You don't make these kinds of plans if your intent isn't to go through with something.
  All in all, this is the worst possible sign that could have come out regarding the upcoming debt ceiling fight. >
  
  I expect we will see a longterm shutdown 4-6 months everyone should prepare for the worst. Republicans will try to direct that anger from the shutdown towards massive instability and militia attacks towards the US government. >
  
  Istg if they kill the calves I'm caring for because we can't get the needed food, treatment, etc for them I might actually do some things against reddit TOS. If they kill my disabled friends and family, same thing. Christ.. >
  
  Nothing moved Mitch the turtle faster than when the airlines started shutting down during the last federal shutdown. Those donors pick up the phone and watch the republicans compromise with a debt ceiling extension till after the next election. >
  
  So fucked up but not surprised >
  
  Let's just start with, they can't direct the Treasury to do anything. They can pass a bill, but it has to get signed by the President and passed by the Senate first . >
  
  The GOP consists mostly people who feel that the federal government is a bad thing and needs to die.  There politicians don't represent the majority of people in the USA since they've carved their states into little fiefdoms to ensure that they can keep getting votes even though they are a minority.
  They seem to be gearing up to allow the debt ceiling to be reached and force the government to start partially shutting down.  
  This, in their far-right minds, is a win because:
  1) They can blame the Democrats in Congress for not "compromising" with them,
  2) They can blame Biden as the economy tanks and doesn't have enough time to recover before the 2024 election season,
  3) They fulfill their promises to "Make the government small enough to drown it in a bathtub",
  4) The corporate media will do what it always does and help them push their spiel,
  5) Their foreign backers will feel that they got their money worth,
  6) They're customizing the list of spending that they will allow through the House to what will keep their insipid voters voting for them.
  They don't care about the suffering that it will cause to the most vulnerable in the US.  They are fulfilling the Reaganite wetdream. >
  
  I think the fair solution is to cut jobs and waste in the districts of Congressmen who vote against raising the debt ceiling. You caused this, you suffer for this >
  
  
  Democrats are also likely to accuse Republicans of prioritizing payments to U.S. bondholders — which include Chinese banks — over American citizens.
  
  I'm not surprised Republicans have the best interests of Chinese corporations in mind over the interests of their own constituents.  The Republican party works for the rich and they don't care what country they come from.  The Republican party exists to funnel your hard-earned tax dollars to the rich fucks who don't need it and don't deserve it. >
  
  I'm a social security recipient. God knows I'm not on their priority list >
  
  Yeah you mean protect their paycheck and gut everything else? >
  
  So basically, we’re fucked. >
  
  If they have time to pass this they have time to pass a clean debt ceiling increase or repeal.