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  1) The fact that a bouncer is even needed means their is risk in the job. Ever see a story about a shooting at a strip club? Happens all the time. Yes, it mitigates the risk, but not enough. 
  2) I disagree in that I think fast-pace and level of difficulty go hand in hand. Strippers must dance on the pole, and then switch to "sales mode" to sell VIP dances, do lap dances, and of course, always work for that tip while keeping it a fantasy and avoid giving IRL info. Sure, it isn't as fast paced as 50 tasks in a short time. But I think most people would rather do more easy fast-pace tasks than fewer fast-pace tasks that are more difficult.
  4) It's not AS dangerous as a warzone, but it's definitely a rowdy environment and not the safest. You definitely cannot zone out.
  5) When determining the difficulty of a job, the # of people able to do the job is definitely a factor into how difficult it is. If you were to take an average person, they could not strip. While I could farm, and log, I couldn't strip.
  
  Also, just because you don't want to do it, does not make the job hard. There are plenty of jobs that I do not want to do not because I think they are hard to do, but because they don't interest me. I have no interest teacher. I don't think teaching is hard (I somewhat enjoy the challenge of trying to explain things to people), I just don't find that job all that interesting, especially since you repeat the same things over and over again.
  
  For someone like me, I lack the personality. I do not do well in crowded, chaotic environments. This isn't just a job that wouldn't interest me; I literally lack the personality, and do not have the social skills nor charm to do this job. Retail I could do, but wouldn't want to.
  This being said, coming up with an exact percentile is impossible. However, while I still agree stripping is among the more difficult jobs - perhaps top 20% out there (I never said it was the hardest) - I will give you a Δ.  This being said, I only partially agree that farming and logging are harder - especially since you need the personality and certain skills to even be able to strip.
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  Sure, there are certainly many aspects of being a stripper that are very demanding and challenging. However, the difficulties of a job are subjective and can vary widely from person to person. What one person finds stressful or physically demanding may not be the same for another.
  Also, the fact that a job is physically or mentally demanding does not necessarily make it more valuable or deserving of respect. There are many jobs that are physically or mentally demanding that are not highly paid or respected, and vice versa.
  And the idea that being a stripper should provide a "competitive edge" as opposed to being viewed as a red flag is a subjective opinion and not necessarily a widely-held view. Employers and individuals may have a variety of reasons for viewing certain occupations as red flags, and these views may not necessarily be based on the difficulties or demands of the job itself.
  Last but not least, it's important to recognize that all jobs have their own challenges and rewards, and to respect the choices and circumstances of individuals who choose to pursue them. >
  
  I agree with most of your posts, however there are reasons I consider stripping more difficult.
  1: The average age is 23. If it weren't difficult, a lot more strippers would be in it for the long haul. And those who are able to do it long-term have an encyclopedia of skills.
  2: Being able to deal with a "taboo" occupation and navigate yourself is a feat in of itself. When you apply for a job, you are selling yourself. Being able to sell things is what sales do; and strippers do it all the time.
  But yes, I agree with most of your post. So i'll give you a Δ although it doesn't really change my view. >
  
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  Competitive edge in what aspect of life? >
  
  The dancing I guess >
  
  1) The danger aspect is mostly mitigated or handled by bouncers. You want a customer service job that deals with danger? Mini-mart cashiers are on their own, THAT's a demanding job.
  As far as customer service goes, strippers generally have no management review. They may be good or bad at it. And while that can effect their bottom line and there is incentive to work hard at it, the demand for their service is such that a baseline acceptable customer service goes a long way if they're reasonably attractive.
  2 and 3) Less fast paced than your average fast food restaurant. I could dig into every detail here, but I'll just pick your dancer stat. it isn't talking about strippers. Some strippers may take pole dancing to an athletic extreme, most wiggle and grab a pole from time to time. Few train extensively or have to memorize and execute an exacting routine timed to music and coordinated with a group. Your stat is more talking abour ballerinas and broadway dancers. Those are physically demanding jobs. The "dance" at a stripclub is rarely elevated, and not to that level, and most is nothing like it.
  4) No, strippers are not geishas trained in the art of conversation. I feel like you're making things up at this point.
  5) Stripping can be exceptionally flexible and wildly remunerative, giving some the option to work very little. Sure that varies, but that's just another reason not to lump them all in as top 10% hard working jobs.
  6) This one is true, but it doesn't have much to do with hard work, it's just a complication. >
  
  1) There's truth to this, but once they are out of the club they may be followed, or stalked. Also, there are a lot of shootings @ clubs. In addition, non violence injuries such as falling off the pole may occur.
  Strippers usually have to pay house fees and bring money into the club. Why would a club keep a stripper that doesn't generate tips or customers?
  2-3) I'd argue that as pole fitness became more trendy, you will see more and more who go do the upside down tricks. More videos online? Other strippers doing the tricks? It'll catch on. 
  4) If I were to go as a customer and talk about AI - i'd expect the stripper to be able to discuss it with me. If I wanted to talk about physics, same thing.  Need I say more?
  5) There's truth to that - Δ.
  6) Being able to deal with the difficulties is a complication that requires work. >
  
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  Being a hitman is a very difficult job too. Human traffickers and drug smugglers have to look out for tons of details to make sure they don't get caught. 
  etc. >
  
  I like this post so here's a delta. Δ
  Ross Ulbricht definitely had a difficult job, maintaining Silk Road. He had to cover his tracks everywhere he went digitally and physically. And the risks were huge; now he's serving life without parole in a high security USP.
  SBF and FTX are good examples too. Extremely difficult to start a ponzi like that, and even harder to keep it running without getting caught. >
  
  Can't put this at the top level, but these replies are a complete waste. All of them are explaining why stripping isn't hard, despite having precisely zero knowledge about what it's actually like and what the hard parts of the job actually are.
  There are replies here saying that it's actually safe because bouncers and stripping doesn't show up in lists of dangerous jobs.
  The dangerous part of stripping happens outside of clubs, so it doesn't show up in those stats, and bouncers aren't there. I've personally known four girls I knew well who were murdered, and you hear reports of it every week.
   
  People are saying "how hard can it be to dance nude?" despite A: Never having to ever do that themselves and B: That's also not the hard part of the job
  0/10 thread lmao >
  
  Being a stripper doesn't require education or any usefull skill. Only this makes it 90% easier than any other "job" >
  
  I have a job that requires college education and many years of experience. I'd argue MOST jobs that require college education would be easier for me than stripping is. >
  
  
  would be easier for me than stripping
  
  Probably for me too but so is ballet. Doesn't mean anything in a real world. Showing your tits in a club adds ZERO value to the culture or civilisation as a whole >
  
  There are a lot of jobs that aren't any more valuable than that. But being valuable to society is not the same thing as being difficult. >
  
  Let's go heading by heading:
  1) Providing customer service to people who frequently engage in inappropriate and dangerous behavior in a potentially dangerous environment.
  Strip clubs have security (bouncers). These bouncers are the type to punch first and ask questions later. They also have strict directives to keep the customers a certain distance away from the dancers. So, you could argue that they were in a more hazardous occupation, but this hazard is offset by working in one of the most protected occupations. Those work in normal jobs don't typically have a private security force to protect them. A McDonald's cashier has no security from an angry customer. If you Google "most dangerous jobs" you will not find stripper up there.
  2) Clubs are fast pace environments. Probably faster paced than most fast-pace offices.
  This is probably the weakest of your arguments. What exactly is fast-pace? You say that going from a pole to a private dance is an example, but that is simply going from one job to another. Someone working at McDonald's scooping fries and then going to ice cream machine seems comparable. Working at your desk and then going to the conference room for a meeting is also similar. That is hardly "fast-paced," or at least is not a pace unique to the stripping occupation.
  3) In addition to customer service, strippers must pole dance in a fast pace environment.
  Granted, strippers need to be in good physical condition, usually. However, how do you compare something like a physical activity like pole dancing to logging or fishing? Also, not all strippers pole dance. Your source about dancers being a harmful job is a bit misdirected. These stats include a lot of professional dancers who do nothing but dance or train for maybe 14 hours a day, every day. I could be mistaken, but I don't think stripper dance for that long. If a stripper does an eight hour shift, how much time does she actually dance, and how much time does she just roam around the club chatting up the customers?
  4) A combination of Strength, Dexterity, Endurance, Agility, Wisdom, Intelligence and Charisma are required for this job. Yep, all the D&D stats.\
  Let's be real, it's not hard for a naked girl to please most men. I agree that they need to be in good physical shape, but the other elements are less than necessary. Also, I think the stripper you imagine is the one working at the top club in Las Vegas, earning maybe thousands of dollars a night. This is certainly not the case for a stripper working at a biker bar off the highway. In terms of personality, the average strippers simply needs to be nice to talk to, which is not much different than any retail worker. Intelligence wise, you don't need an education to be stripper. You don't need to spend any time in school or do any type of academic training. Even tradesmen have to do some schooling most of the time in order to get their competency.
  5) Just like retail, the job has variable hours on variable days
  Strippers not the only people to work odd hours. Anyone that works in shifts works in the night as well. This includes and is not limited to:
  
  Emergency services
  Utility workers
  Construction
  Industrial jobs
  Transportation workers
  Workers at 24 hour stores/restaurants
  
  6) Since stripping is frequently looked down on or considered taboo, strippers must also hide their occupation from family, friends, among others.
  That is certainly an issue, but that does not make the job harder, but rather it makes life harder.
  In short, I would agree with you that stripping is perhaps not that easy of a job as some would think. However, the estimate that it is harder than 90% of jobs is ridiculous. >
  
  1) Your post covers fatal accidents only. It does not cover non-fatal assaults, stalking, harassment. Also, bouncers may not be reliable plus they cannot protect a stripper from any pole dance related injuries. Strippers must deal with all that at once.
  2) When you work in a fast-paced setting, you have to change tasks. I have to. However, the frequency in which I must change tasks is a lot lower than a stripper, and it can be hard to, but I can take my time. Scooping fries and then doing ice cream and then cleaning is a lot simpler than twirling around a pole, then going to a VIP room and making sure you'll get that tip etc. 
  3) It probably varies from day to day, from club to club, and from stripper to stripper. Some definitely train for hours and hours every day. In general they have to train their pole as well, though not to the same extent a pole fitness instructor does.
  4) Perhaps different types of intelligence comes to mind. I went to college, although I'm certain I lack the right kind of intelligence and common sense to be a stripper. In a job where you must be aware of your surroundings at all times, you need to be on your guard; and you must think fast. Just like emergency services (another job I'd argue is harder than most other jobs). 
  5) No disagreement here. However, that adds to the difficulty of the job.
  6) And being able to deal with the difficulties is a skill; no disagreements EXCEPT for if you see someone you know in the club while working.
  I'd think most people cannot do it. At least for me, it definitely is harder than 90% of jobs. >
  
  
  1) Your post covers fatal accidents only. It does not cover non-fatal assaults, stalking, harassment. Also, bouncers may not be reliable plus they cannot protect a stripper from any pole dance related injuries. Strippers must deal with all that at once.
  
  
  
  It includes non-fatal injuries as well. If you are thinking of that link about dancer, remember that this is for professional dancers, not strippers.
  
  
  A bouncer may not be reliable, but the fact that there is even a bouncer to begin with makes the job more secure than most. A bouncer that works 50% of the time is better than no bouncer.
  
  
  
  2) When you work in a fast-paced setting, you have to change tasks. I have to. However, the frequency in which I must change tasks is a lot lower than a stripper, and it can be hard to, but I can take my time. Scooping fries and then doing ice cream and then cleaning is a lot simpler than twirling around a pole, then going to a VIP room and making sure you'll get that tip etc.
  
  
  
  Again, I think you have poor understanding of what faced-pace means. Going from one task to another is not fast paced. The pace of stripping is cannot be any higher than any job that requires you to multitask. 
  
  
  You are also conflating fast-pace with level of difficulty. I agree that twirling on a pole of is difficult, but the level of difficulty does not determine the pace. It's not like they need to do 50 dances a minute. They go and do their one dance on the pole, roam around the club, and do other jobs here and there. Do you ever see a stripper rushing from one corner of the club to another? Are they trying do to more than one task at once? If you want to talk about pace, then you must talk about pace and not difficulty. The difficulty is another element than does not contribute to the pace. Doing 50 easy tasks in a short amount of time is more fast-paced than doing a couple of difficult jobs.
  
  
  
  3) It probably varies from day to day, from club to club, and from stripper to stripper. Some definitely train for hours and hours every day. In general they have to train their pole as well, though not to the same extent a pole fitness instructor does.
  
  
  The statistic you include for dancers does not vary day to day. It is more than full time every day. Strippers typically do not do that. The average stripper certainly does not.
  
  
  4) Perhaps different types of intelligence comes to mind. I went to college, although I'm certain I lack the right kind of intelligence and common sense to be a stripper. In a job where you must be aware of your surroundings at all times, you need to be on your guard; and you must think fast. Just like emergency services (another job I'd argue is harder than most other jobs).
  
  
  You are describing a strip club like some kind of warzone. If you pay attention, you will be fine. Every job requires you to pay attention. Crossing the street requires you to pay attention.
  
  
  I'd think most people cannot do it. At least for me, it definitely is harder than 90% of jobs.
  
  There is big difference between "most people cannot do it," and it is harder than 90% of jobs. I would be willing to agree that is above the 50% mark. I would be agree that the difficulty is underestimated, but 90% is comically high:
  Would you not say that the following jobs are more difficult:
  
  Farmers (longer hours, high death rate and accident rate, require knowledge of farming science, physically demanding)
  Loggers (same as above, working in highly dangerous environment)
  Fishermen and sailors (same as above, plus being away from home)
  Doctors (require a high degree of skill, knowledge, and intelligence, stress of being in charge of life or death situation).
  Emergency workers
  Military (all of above)
  
  When you consider these occupations alone, that would more than likely be more than 10% of the workforce. If you agree that these jobs alone are more difficult than being a stripper, then you can't agree that stripping is in the 10th percentile.
  Also, just because you don't want to do it, does not make the job hard. There are plenty of jobs that I do not want to do not because I think they are hard to do, but because they don't interest me. I have no interest teacher. I don't think teaching is hard (I somewhat enjoy the challenge of trying to explain things to people), I just don't find that job all that interesting, especially since you repeat the same things over and over again.