comment: >
  
  Longtime Dem here. I don't care how many misdemeanors, felonies, seditious and or treasonous acts, murders and other capital crimes Joe and Hunter committed, I'm still voting for him over Trump.
context: Why didn’t the Archives catch this themselves? That’s their effing job! >
  
  Exactly! How come they don’t put barcodes on all these documents? A local library has better tracking on what hasn’t been returned. >
  
  Just so fucking funny people still think there’s a massive government wide conspiracy when they can’t even properly keep track of their own tOp sEcReT doCuMents. Buncha ass clowns honestly. >
  
  Tbh the vast majority of these docs shouldn't be classified at all. When millions of docs are classified, it's an obvious case of abuse of classification, and the sole goal behind this is to keep information that should be public out of the public view. Probably less than 5% of these docs have legitimacy to be classified.
  The fact that they are handled so lightly shows two things: 1) politicians don't care about security and think themselves above the laws, and 2) the information in most of these documents isn't that critical that it should be classified. So why are these docs classified ? 
  Probably because they don't want to go through the trouble of actually reading them to check if some piece of information needs to stay secret, so they classify everything by default, which flies in the face of freedom of information. >
  
  It's true. Overclassification of documents in the government is a huge problem. And it really does just come down to laziness and complacency a lot of the time. 
  Source: worked in the IC alongside intel analysts of all flavors. >
  
  It's just lazy and a case of "cover your ass." If you label virtually everything as classified you don't have to think about the implications of the information in them. "That's just too much work.." /s >
  
  My personal opinion is that once they found the 1st batch all staff were sent on a mission to examine every. damn. box. In every space he has ever been in. So far I'm only seeing "classified", not much about top secret. For all we know at this point they are a bunch of schedules or drafts of legislation or who da fuq knows irrelevant stuff. Somebody dropped the ball when he left office previously. Investigate away. >
  
  If I had to guess, so take this with a heavy grain of salt, they’re old daily briefings that he held onto for whatever reason. He did spend 8 years as VP and would’ve been given them alongside Obama and it’s not unlikely that he would end up still having some now. >
  
  Would have gotten limited (weekly/monthly) briefings after leaving office too. >
  
  Do we have any sense how often documents are discovered after other presidencies? I have to imagine this is not unheard of, and possibly not even all that uncommon. For me, the distinguishing feature has always been the lack of cooperation and outright obfuscation on the part of the Trump camp. >
  
  Im thinking its not that abnormal either. Trumps response and the specific documents are the issue. 
  One thing i read said they were documents specifically relating to Biden himself. For all we know they are family phone numbers and addresses. 
  But nuance is not America's strong suit. >
  
  I'm reading he also had security clearance. So maybe not even a big deal in that sense. >
  
  Having classified documents isn't the crux of the legal liability Trump is facing. Rather lying to authorities and refusing to abide by a court order is at the heart of Trump's situation. 
  At one point or another both Biden and Trump were allowed to handle classified materials and know their contents. Having documents they were initially allowed to handle in itself is not a scandal. >
  
  
  Having documents they were initially allowed to handle in itself is not a scandal.
  
  Emphasis mine.
  Yes, it is.  Neither Biden nor Trump were allowed to have the documents in their personal possession at their homes after their replacements were sworn in.  It doesn't matter that they were allowed to handle them previously. >
  
  Somebody should look at the top comments from when the story about trump broke out and compare it to these. I’m almost positive they’d be opposite. >
  
  What really grinds my gears is the hosts of the View saying the documents were planted. People thought Trump was insane when he suggested that. >
  
  I’ve been glued t these threads for days. Saying there’s “hosts of people” saying that is bullshit. Yours is literally the first I’ve seen it suggested. >
  
  Wake up. >
  
  I guess there’s blue flavored koolaid and red flavored koolaid. >
  
  Look at them being proactive. Whoever is responsible for the collection and storage of classified documents really dropped the ball. However this is absolutely nothing like what trump did. >
  
  This will guarantee Trump isn't held accountable. >
  
  Why would it do that? >
  
  Except the crimes are 100% different. Trump stole the docs and refused to give them back. 
  Biden turned them over the instant they were discovered. >
  
  It's different, but it's the same.....politically.  Just like a blatant pass interference penalty is as damaging as a subtle one. >
  
  Tell that to the saints >
  
  The reporting on this is basically headlines that absolves Trump. This is bullshit. I’m sick of the “fair and balanced” equivalencies that are shoveled at the neckbeards in service of keeping the status quo. Fuck the republican party and their 1% giveaways while I’m paying $7 for a carton of eggs. Fuck “patriots” and their conspiracy theories which is distractions from the middle class being decimated by oligarchs. 
  Time for a revolution - only it’s not the fascist BS advocated by the under 70-IQ crowd - it’s a progressive backlash that give me universal healthcare, services that my taxes pay for but are diverted to corporations and the military industrial complex. >
  
  I hear you brother but if you think that Joe Biden, Hakeem Jeffries, and Chuck Schumer are the solution I'm afraid you're in for a world of disappointment. The oligarchs are not going to defeat themselves, we need a progressive wave not just a blue one. >
  
  That's not what oligarch means.
  Words have meanings. It's important to use them correctly, especially in politics, or else people start genuinely believing America is an oligarchy. >
  
  Yeah Joe Biden isn’t an oligarch he just reports to them. Just like Trump and every president before him. The U.S. has always placed corporate welfare over social >
  
  Two questions. Off the top of your head...
  What is an oligarch?
  What are their names? >
  
  Musk, Bezos, Cook, Gates, and Pelosi's husband imediately come to mind. Godlike wealth and therefore power, accountable to no one. >
  
  Pelosi's husband is not even in the same order of magnitude as those you list, but nice try.  Who the fuck is Cook? >
  
  Tim Cook? >
  
  Obama, Clinton, Bush, maybe even Carter probably have some floating around too. Again, this ISN'T a good thing, but it doesn't make them criminals. I am still waiting for Biden to refuse to cooperate with the DOJ/NARA in returning the documents or possibly try and sell them. >
  
  Biden says no then shoots someone on the street and uses tear gas for his trip to church. >
  
  Also Biden carting away protesters in black vans for "reasons". >
  
  I live in the area it was wild to live in a time where that was possible. >
  
  Brace yourselves: bad faith comparisons are coming… >
  
  They're already here. They were here before the documents were even found. >
  
  This may not be criminal but this is just irresponsible. I don’t understand how Biden fucked this up so badly. After all the BS with Hillary’s emails. It’s not a minor thing for the AG to assign a special council. Yeah it’s definitely not as bad as Trump but stop pretending like it’s nothing. >
  
  This is exactly how I feel too.. >
  
  Just a reminder:
  Roughly 20 documents vs Nearly 200 documents
  Some classified vs Many top secret
  Full cooperation vs Obstruction
  Treating these as equivalent is like saying forgetting to pay a parking ticket is the same as robbing a bank. >
  
  “…vs over 300 that required subpoenas and an FBI raid to collect.” >
  
  
  Roughly 20 documents
  Some classified
  
  *All classified and some top secret. >
  
  It's going to be interesting when documents known to have been stolen by Trump, turn up in Biden's former high school locker, with the fingerprints of Trump's SS Protection goons. >
  
  The tin hats are going to sell fast at Walmart. I'd recommend you to pick one while they are still in stock. >
  
  I have one of the originals. Actually made from tin, not the cheap aluminum knockoffs Walmart sells. >
  
  Lock him up too. >
  
  Lock him up and throw away the keys! >
  
  Everyone is comparing the two presidents, but at least as it pertains to formal investigations (and possible charges) they should be treated independently based on the unique circumstances in each case. The two cases don’t “cancel each other out,” this is not how the law is supposed to work. >
  
  This is a beautiful set up!
  House Republicans impeach Biden over the documents.   Biden says "you are right, having classified stuff outside the White House means I shouldn't be president.  I'm resigning."  Harris takes over.
  The VP slot is open so Harris  appoints Hillary (Like Nixon appointed Ford when Agnew resigned).  Then the GOP house members heads spontaneously combust. >
  
  And then you have a Harris/Clinton ticket and hand the White House to Trump. >
  
  Hello Hillary’s Emails 2.0. >
  
  It’ll never end >
  
  At this point I am willing to bet every President of the past 30-40 years just left classified shit just laying around. It’s infuriating in that , anyone that works in intelligence or the military does this, it’s a very serious crime. Presidents and VP’s do it, it’s a Tuesday. Just another example how our laws are designed to only be for the poors, not the ruling class. >
  
  Playing devil's advocate here. It could be because the president and vp go through more classified documents so there's naturally going to be a higher chance something gets misplaced or forgotten. >
  
  Merrick Garland must have a guardian angel because all of this is a gift from heaven. He was in a terrible spot. If he prosecuted Trump over his handling of his documents half the country would have lost their collective minds. If he didn’t the other half would. Now, because of this, maybe 20% loses their minds when he explains why he won’t prosecute. >
  
  Sucks but you're right.  He should prosecute both for the good of the country. >
  
  Well then there is the Clinton problem. She was already let off for something very similar >
  
  Prosecute her too. Prosecute them all. Show of force that no executive is above the law on either side >
  
  It might not be constitutional to prosecute a President while in office. That’s why we have the impeachment process. That process is obviously broken. >
  
  Fucking a Biden you we're doing so good, all this is giving the right fuel to for the fire, no matter how different it is >
  
  Find the timing of all this coincidental- just saying!  McCarthy just voted in as speaker and all of a sudden documents showing up in all places Biden. McCarthy just following Trump’s orders.  Finally the attention is off Trump and on Biden - exactly where Trump ordered it to be. >
  
  I get the desire to engage in these conspiracies, but some of these docs were found months ago. And returned months ago. >
  
  This is gonna be the new “Hillary’s emails” >
  
  I’m sure many high level politicians have classified documents they shouldn’t. You really think the Clintons, Obama, the Bush family doesn’t have stuff like this too? The issue is how Trump didn’t cooperate but it’s also a bad look because Biden was very critical of Trump having classified documents in the first place when he did too. >
  
  the most embarrassing part of all of this is that the government is still producing physical documents instead of encrypted digital documents that can easily be recalled or deactivated as needed >
  
  Maybe the silver lining here is this may force democrats to run someone else for president in 2024 >
  
  God I hope so >
  
  The timing of all of this just screams of a hit job. Biden was out of VP office for 6 years and only NOW they are discovering documents after the Trump fiasco >
  
  Sketchy for sure >
  
  I wasn't under the impression that a document had to be a single page? Someone correct me if I'm mistaken. If someone has a classified document I don't assume it was just one page but whatever however many pages that document holds. Did they report 1 document or 1 page previously >
  
  Here's what I don't understand: are there actual rules/procedures in place for officials leaving their positions that they have to hand over these documents and limits to what they can actually take with them out of office? 
  I'm not against investigating things. Go for it... But do you honestly think a republican controlled house wouldve set up an investigation for Donald Trump or another one of their own if they suspect or took things they shouldn't have? Probably not >
  
  They already backed Trump and said it was a witch hunt and they have already said they will now investigate Biden for the same thing. >
  
  This is turning into that how am I suppose to hold all these limes meme >
  
  More like the "Spongebob shows Patrick Garbage", meme. >
  
  Okay I think its time for a period of amnesty so this stops.   
  Raise your hand if you too have classified documents in your home. >
  
  Maybe not government classified, but documents from work that shouldn't be there. Like disciplinary matters or lawsuit stuff, especially with all the home offices nowadays. >
  
  Are they calling the media after every f’ing file? Can we just have one damn announcement when they’ve found them all? >
  
  His lawyers don’t have security clearance to be searching for these documents. This should be handled by the FBI. His entire Delaware home should be combed by the FBI since documents have been found there. >
  
  Lol, hilarious. The FBI isn't a document retrieval service. >
  
  Doesn’t he live in the White House? >
  
  Maybe it's just me, but the fact that he didn't know he had all these documents as opposed to Trump who knew he had them, is worse, and scary. >
  
  I mean, duh? They're obviously doing a detailed audit of all materials after the initial discovery. The problem is that people are comparing this to Trump. Biden is cooperating 110% to resolve the issues and Trump (and his people) lied repeatedly to authorities and even tried to hide away specific documents for some reason. Two VERY different situations. >
  
  Cope >
  
  P.R. nightmare. Also, unlike the Trump supporters while I voted for Biden, if his actions should have consequences I hope he receives them. >
  
  They all do it. 🤷🏼‍♂️ >
  
  Cool. But still not the same as the orange turd. 
  Investigate it, do whatever is needed, move along. Let’s quit making it out to be what it isn’t. >
  
  They don’t want him running again. Documents in same place from 8-10 years ago. Hmm… >
  
  I love this because the media is happily equivocating Trump and Biden now to sell us this centrist story about corruption, lol. It's just great. So fantastic to see the media at work fabricating consensus.
  Corruption is measurable. Both parties are qualitatively corrupt, but it's the quantity that fucking matters. Biden isn't trying to sell nuclear secrets to North fucking Korea for $$$. A grain of sand is not the same thing as a desert. >
  
  It's different. What Trump did was way worse. >
  
  Key difference here - Biden's lawyers are actively finding them personally and making sure they're turned over, *and* doing so openly, rather than fighting tooth and claw against their removal. >
  
  It’s looking like this is what they all do and trump fucked it all up and made it public. Lol >
  
  Is this a 3rd find or is op just a bot? >
  
  What's next?
  "Hey Joe, you got some toilet paper stuck on your shoe"
  "Huh..what..oh, no worries, it's not toilet paper, just some nuclear launch codes"
  I like Joe Biden.  I think he is doing a  really good job.  This is just...I don't know...embarrassing. >
  
  By the time 2024 rolls around Biden is going to be pretty dinged up by this scandal involving these documents and the investigations into Hunter Biden.
  The Democratic party needs to start at least thinking about who we can run besides Biden, who is also going to be quite old in 2024 in addition to having accumulated some baggage. >
  
  I love how everyone on Reddit is scrambling to justify this. But but but but. That’s all I see. >
  
  How far are democrats willing to go to keep making excuses for Biden on this? >
  
  Judging by the circling of the wagons on this sub and other platforms: very far >
  
  I know right lol 🙄 it's honestly so annoying at this point >
  
  It’s being returned. He’s not claiming it as his own. He should just use trumps lie, executive privilege. >
  
  He wasn’t president at the time >
  
  Maybe Obama telepathically declassified them when he was president and gave them to him. >
  
  Okay if he did , VP still couldn’t legally have them >
  
  Can you show me the law that says a vice president, or anybody really, cannot legally have access to non-classified documents? >
  
  Ummm they were classified top secret 🤫 >
  
  Biden really is fucking shit up. Seriously, how hard is it to make sure you don't have a single government document in your possession and improperly stored? >
  
  I'm willing to bet presidents and vice president have thousands of personal documents. They have aides who go through and sort them out. >
  
  Yeah, I very much doubt it was Biden who packed up his office, and that the documents were mistakenly packed. >
  
  This is clearly a problem. Our last two presidents have now been caught doing this, and only a fool would believe that is where it stops. Can we put clear laws in place that outline consequences for this type of behavior already? >
  
  We have very clear laws. Sometimes mistakes are made people are not punished. 
  Trump took boxes and boxes of stuff on purpose and then said “fuck you” when they asked for them back for months and months and months!