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  Found a policy wonk! 👋
context: This guy is supposed to be in court today to defend the proud boys leader in his sedition trial. >
  
  Guess not >
  
  Different state from where his license was suspended, so he still has a chance to represent him. >
  
  It's an absolute no go in DC...either he's barred in DC, in which case he has to immediately inform the DC bar of the suspension and stop practicing (bc DC is reciprocal in bar suspensions in other us jurisdictions), or he's pro hac vice in the matter in which case the judge will revoke bc his license used for pro hac vice is suspended. >
  
  True, but he can appeal the suspension, motion for stay pending appeal, and continue representing Biggs while the suspension is being appealed... which is what it says he's doing in the article. But of course, this still requires everything to go right for the lawyer, which is why I said "he still has a chance" and not "he absolutely can or cannot represent him". >
  
  Bro you read the article before posting? On reddit? >
  
  Pfft. What a rookie. I know everything I need to know by just the title. >
  
  The real pros read the comments and the title before commenting. >
  
  I just looked at the username posting and got all I needed. >
  
  There was a time I would just look at how many upvote the post had and make up the story from there. My true peak. >
  
  They’ve been trying to use sheer incompetence as a defense, this is keeping it inline. >
  
  It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em. >
  
  It's paid off for Orange Jesus for decades, so why not. >
  
  First of all, even as an Atheist, I resent conflating TFG with Jesus. He doesn't deserve the comparison to a figure anyone else deems holy, because that's exactly what he wants; worship, praise, and to be seen as better than everyone else while doing nothing worthy of the conflation.
  Secondly, is it incompetence he's been using or is it just him being an absolute dickhead by refusing to pay people, bullying others, and schmoozing his way up the ladder while praying no one else looks too closely. He may be claiming incompetence now that someone is looking closely, but one could also argue that he and everyone else who takes advantage of others in that way are fully cognizant of what they're doing. Of course, that's up to the courts to decide, if they even take the case.
  Edit: I know the saying is "don't chalk up to malice what could be explained by incompetence" but some people don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Also, it could be both malice and incompetence. >
  
  
  First of all, even as an Atheist, I resent conflating TFG with Jesus. He doesn't deserve the comparison to a figure anyone else deems holy, because that's exactly what he wants; worship, praise, and to be seen as better than everyone else while doing nothing worthy of the conflation.
  
  First of all, I'm echoing their talking point. I think Trump is the world's biggest asshole and should be fucked with a rusty swingset until his retina's detach. I didn't call him holier than god, while he acted in the most unholy manner. Republicans did that. 
  As a fellow atheist, imo, Jesus is fine, Religion is goddamn poison and the source of this horse shit. 
  Trump is incompetent at genuine business, but an expert at avoiding the costs, consequences, etc. 
  Even worse, there always seems to be a complete moron willing to step right up and replace the last moron he shit on. 
  You're right, but you need to direct that towards the GQP. They're the ones that say he's Jesus 2.0. I'm just pointing out the irony of someone being that much of an asshole, yet, evangelicals can't seem to get enough of him. >
  
  You know what, you're right. Fair points, I totally came off as too heated, and I was.
  They're all malicious fucks and I'm so sick of this bullshit every day, but I shouldn't have taken even an ounce of it out on you. I'm sorry.
  Edit: That being said, you did still write the words "Orange Jesus," I objected to the comparison, and you told me to blame the GQP for making him that way. So, while there's maybe arguments to be made regarding intent, let's just both say that things blow. I stand by my apology for coming off as too heated and taking my frustration of the current state out on you for use of a phrase though. >
  
  My intent was to set the record straight, as to the source. I've been dealing with some real assclowns today, so you have my apologies as well. 
  Right or wrong, there's a better way, but I get fucking triggered about Trump. He's a fucking stooge and single-issue morons thought "This is fine", shitting on the entire country, and from what we know, did irreparable harm to the US. 
  And. they. still. cheer. him. 
  I can't think of a better case for mandatory neutering. >
  
  Totally understandable. These times are really disheartening, especially when someone else assumes the opposite of strongly held beliefs.
  I know the folks you're talking about as well. We'd be here all day breaking down the reasons for their devotion to the orange clown, but suffice it to say it's especially disheartening and worrisome that there's still so many of them. >
  
  Excuse me.  Could you two cease being civil to each other and resume normal Reddit behavior? Thank you. >
  
  Hey fuck you guy. 
  Trying to help bring it back to normal. >
  
  You've heard of a no-nonsense lawyer? Pattis is the opposite, a pure grade-a nonsense lawyer. Stunned he kept his license even this long. >
  
  Pattis is Better Call Saul for wife beaters, murderers and Republicans. We here in CT have seen him pop up a bunch for high profile cases that it’s clear the group hiring him is in the wrong.
  He recently defended a dude who was absolutely guilty of murdering his wife (Fotis Dulos) and did a really bad job of covering it up. He represented a parents group looking to sue a school for “retaliation for opposition to CRT” (in fucking CT where we aren’t fucking idiots about this largely). He also is a stand up comedian in his twitter profile and had a whole bit where he said the n-word as part of the bit.
  Dude is an absolute clown of a human being. >
  
  
  “At a basic level, attorneys must competently and appropriately handle the discovery of sensitive materials in civil cases,” Judge Barbara Bellis wrote in a court order that suspended attorney Norman Pattis’ license for six months. “Otherwise, our civil system, in which discovery of sensitive information is customary and routine, would simply collapse.”
  Bellis said she “flatly rejected” Pattis’ assertion that his release of the confidential records was an “inadvertent mistake,” writing that Pattis “failed to provide even the minimal amount of attention and care required when it came to handling the plaintiffs’ sensitive discovery materials.”
  
  Jones never took the case seriously. It's no wonder his lawyers were so bad at basic procedures. >
  
  Was this the case where plaintiff's council flat out told the judge, "It is our opinion that opposing council is actively trying for a mistrial," when discussing all the screw ups coming from Jones's attorney?   
  And then disclosed Jones's cell phone/case file/everything bad to plaintiff's council? >
  
  Not quite. That was the Texas trial, while Norm Pattis, the attorney mentioned here, was Jones' lawyer in the Connecticut trail. 
  However, that cell phone leak in the Texas trial is what exposed the wrongdoing that Pattis has been suspended over; it revealed that he'd shared confidential medical records of the Sandy Hook parents with the attorneys in the Texas trial. Information that he should not have had, let alone shared. >
  
  Good fucking God. You have to be unimaginably stupid to do something that dumb. You studied law and practiced it for so long, why give up everything by breaking the rules for that overripe tomato of a client? >
  
  Overripe shit of a client, tomatoes are for pizza and spaghetti. >
  
  I love tomatoes! Alex Jones is nothing like a tomato >
  
  He's got very thin skin, he's obviously very acidic, and he's got a bright red hue when he ripens.
  The comparison does check out, unfortunately. >
  
  Does anyone know if he comes from the nightshade family? >
  
  He is extremely toxic, so... >
  
  Didn’t those texts also reveal the defense withheld information requested during discovery? >
  
  Yep, I know at least one instance where they claimed their website did not use Google Analytics, so they couldn't report on anything related to sessions, revenue, etc. Jones had emails where they were sending Google Analytics data to one another fairly regularly >
  
  
  they claimed their website did not use Google Analytics
  
  Lmao that's a comically stupid lie.  You can literally just press Ctrl-U on a website to view the source code, then Ctrl-F for "google".  Even if they went in and deleted the analytics tracker, the Internet Archive would still have a copy of the site pre-edit. >
  
  Am I the only one that the Internet Archive barely works for? Like I've only seen it work like 15% of the time. >
  
  Let me remind everyone that Alex Jones is the world’s oldest not-quite-yet 49 year old.
  Yes, seriously. >
  
  Am I missing something? Dude looks about his age IMO. >
  
  He looks 60 for a normal person and for a rich person he looks 75. >
  
  Late '50s for sure. >
  
  Crazy lol. Looks like any other fat ~50 year old, I really can’t tell if you guys actually think he doesn’t look his age or if it’s because he’s so hated >
  
  I will take this time to let people know about Knowledge Fight, a podcast that (almost) exclusively talks about Alex Jones and InfoWars. In fact one of the hosts does such a great job of breaking down Alex's arguments and bullshit that  Mark Bankston (The now famous plaintiff's attorney from the Texas case) actually invited him to be a consultant for some InfoWars depositions prior to the TX trial.  
  The podcast has been an invaluable source of critical thinking education and entertainment, as the other host is a comedian who is unabashedly boisterous and full of laughs and fun.  
  If you're at all interested in Alex Jones and his bullshit, I cannot recommend this resource enough. >
  
  Fair warning:  do not listen to this podcast if you don't want to spend the rest of the day singing "RED ALERT RED ALERT RED ALERT RED ALERT" >
  
  “Jar-jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent”  
  Is the one that always gets stuck in my head. 
  Didn’t they get one of the lawyers to ask Alex if he was familiar with jar-jar in one of the deposition episodes? Or was that just a sneaky edit? >
  
  That was in fact asked in a deposition and Alex said he was not familiar, which would have been te funniest perjury charge in history if they pursued it. >
  
  Alex keeps making Star Wars references, and then later insisting he knows nothing about Star Wars. And I can't quite figure out why. >
  
  Because he’s a fucking Sith Lord. >
  
  Given how much of a disaster this has been for Alex Jones, I wonder if the outcome would have been any different if he employed a face eating feces throwing bonobo chimpanzee. >
  
  no joke, alex was never gonna be found innocent of course BUT if the dude hired proper lawyers that would've done proper conduct throughout the whole proceedings, he would have for certain come away with a much much lower verdict.
  The entire reason this dude got over 1 billion in damages was because he was so insanely incompetent and showed insane disrespect at literally every single step of this trial. It is unprecedented just how poorly he did >
  
  Jones tried to fire his lawyer back in June, which I think meant that he was trying to use the fact he didn't have proper councel to delay proceedings. Of course, he'd already done it before so the lawyer forbid that from happening. >
  
  dude changed his lawyer almost a dozen times iirc. Like I said, disrespect at every step of the trial >
  
  Alex Jones' entire strategy seemed to be keep firing lawyers and hiring new ones. Then claim his new lawyers obviously required time to go over everything and proceedings needed to be delayed. Rinse and repeat this over and over and hope he just never got to trial. >
  
  That strategy relies on the judge being infinitely dumb.
  And dumb as some of them may be, not all of them are, and very few tolerate disrespect very well. >
  
  I wonder how much he paid that trog. >
  
  Norm was paid 100,000 dollars a month according to bankruptcy filings. >
  
  Thanks for the info. >
  
  It’s amazing how many of these right wing lawyer types absolutely do not look like people you want representing you in court. They always look like they just woke up in a pile of trash outside the courthouse. >
  
  Beggars can’t be choosers. >
  
  A page right out of my favorite childhood book, "When Bad Things Happen to Bad People". >
  
  It's a shorter book than I'd like, but it does give nice fuzzy feelings. >
  
  He was an idiot for how he handled Alex Jones's case anyway, can't say this is unfounded. >
  
  I think the plaintiff's lawyers openly said they felt this dude was trying to get a mistrial through deliberate mistakes. >
  
  Well he can't be that big of an idiot right? RIGHT? >
  
  I’d say any lawyer who was willing to take on defending Alex Jones here would have to be a pretty big idiot. >
  
  Well yes😂 >
  
  Wow.  Picked up the spare!  Nice! >
  
  He released "medical records from some of the Sandy Hook families".  He is going to need a good lawyer. >
  
  HAHAHAHA Go Fuck yourself Norm!
  r/KnowledgeFight >
  
  I had to come in and look for the wonks >
  
  Jordan’s laugh about this is gonna be the highlight of my Monday, I already know it >
  
  I have no ill will to any lawyer defending a client, no matter how horrible the client is. But, I do think ill of a lawyer who screws up so badly it undermines their client (as horrible as this client was and as much as I enjoyed watching the plaintiff lawyer telling them what happened in court) >
  
  Well...it must make being stiffed by Jones less painful. >
  
  Revoke his license permanently.  6 month suspension is weak sauce.  He released child victims’ medical records. >
  
  May I remind you all that Norm Pattis also does "hilarious" stand-up comedy, like saying the N-word with his pants down
  Get fucked, Norm. >
  
  Wow wtf?? And to top it all off he said "Pattis added that “if you are offended by use of the ‘n’ word in that comedic skit consider the possibility that the joke is at your expense.”
  Thanks for sharing that article btw >
  
  As someone who lives in CT and has to see this guy on TV often, it couldn’t have happened to a bigger POS. Good riddance. >
  
  Same! I generally have respect for criminal defense attorneys because their role is important, and I know it isn't easy.
  But Pattis? Fuck Pattis. always seemed like he went out of his way to defend exclusively the WORST people. I've read stuff on Pattis' website, and on the webpage of one of his former associates, and it's pretty clear that they're barely-hinged far right apologists who somehow managed to get law degrees. >
  
  As a lawyer myself, I can't imagine losing my law license for Alex Jones. >
  
  As much as I love your name, a lawyer that obeys legalities is a coward. Have you ever even freewheeled your own client into the biggest civil suit debacle in American history??? >
  
  I think a good old fashioned Nelson Muntz "Ha Ha!" would not be out of place. >
  
  But he always appeared so professional… >
  
  Your first mistake was defending Alex Jones and expecting to get paid. Your second mistake was expecting Alex Jones to pay you. On top of that he got your law credentials pulled. Wow, great choice you made there. Fuckin idiot.... >
  
  Little breaky. A little breaky for Norm