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  I'd argue you can't research the long term effects of Covid because it hasn't been that long.  Your comparison of chicken pox is especially important here.
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  with more than 200 symptoms
  
  this alone makes it pretty meaningless. 200 symptoms means just about everything from a runny nose that one time to aneurysms. 
  
  t least 65 million individuals around the world have long COVID, based on a conservative estimated incidence of 10% of infected people 
  
  this is based on mostly guessing. and the study cited spells out 5 problems with their own data. most notably:
  
  Second, the incidence of new conditions after an acute COVID-19 infection might be biased toward a population that is seeking care
  
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  Finally, the study only assessed conditions thought to be attributable to COVID-19 or post-COVID illness, which might have biased RRs away from the null. For example, clinicians might have been more likely to document possible post-COVID conditions among case-patients.
  
  in other words, sick people get sick.
  i see no mention of who is getting what, or how debilitating it is. just that there is risk, etc. this paper is basically a plea for funding, so of course they want it to sound horrible.
  
  however it only takes one unlucky moment for humanity, and society as a whole, to collapse.
  
  humanity didn't collapse after the black death or spanish flu, both orders of magnitude worse than covid and at a time when we were much less advanced. predicting the end of humanity because some people might get tired in the future is a bit much. >
  
  Over 98% of people who reported long covid symptoms have recovered from them.
  Much like Havana Syndrome, we’ve got a bit of mass hysteria happening with people who still cling to this idea of long covid. 
  Being on subs centered around that gives them an identity, an excuse, and a feeling of belonging. We might also have some social contagion happening there. >
  
  
  some social contagion happening there.
  
  that people can, with a straight face, point to a list of over 200 symptoms and pretend it is all covid and easily identified is a joke. anyone who knows they had covid is going to think every bruise and ache and cough is "long covid" now. >
  
  It's not a joke if people are actually experiencing it. >
  
  this is the opposite of science. >
  
  This sounds mostly like a lot of speculation on how bad any sort of long haul will be. Shingles was no big deal, other diseases don’t have a major long haul issue. What makes you believe long Covid is a society-collapsing issue besides a bit of speculation? >
  
  With the growing decrease of population birth rates there will be less workers to support the elderly. Coupled with disabilities that covid and other hypothetical diseases will bring, society will have a huge strain on itself. The reason why I say this is not speculation is because of the amount of people that are just right now emerging and sharing their long haul symptoms. There is more scientific research being released too, in fact the article in the first link I found through the r/science page on Reddit. Perhaps it could just be fear mongering but I've tried to post there and literally all my posts are rejected because their rules are so strict. It implies that at least the mods in r/science see validity in this study. Furthermore, as mentioned, if not COVID, it'll be another disease. I feel like the danger is much higher because there are more people to spread this disease. Imagine a new black death was released, but with the populations we have right now. For reference in the 1300s the population in millions was around 390. >
  
  I’m not really seeing a strong argument here. 
  
  
  elderly people to support is an independent issue from long haul Covid. 
  
  
  the long haul symptoms people are having don’t seem to be society-Enders. I get they’re tough for those with them, but that doesn’t make it society ending. 
  
  
  “it might ne another disease” is super speculative. We’re not only talking about a disease that doesn’t exist, but we’re speculating on long haul symptoms on a disease that doesn’t even exist. This isn’t a strong argument. >
  
  
  elderly people to support is an independent issue from long haul Covid. 
  
  I think it's not an independent issue because long haul covid can have impacts on society's productivity which makes it worse for the workers to indirectly support the elderly. If no one works, then who will maintain the services to support elderly, nevermind other demographics such as children? 
  
  the long haul symptoms people are having don’t seem to be society-Enders. I get they’re tough for those with them, but that doesn’t make it society ending. 
  “it might ne another disease” is super speculative. We’re not only talking about a disease that doesn’t exist, but we’re speculating on long haul symptoms on a disease that doesn’t even exist. This isn’t a strong argument.
  
  You're right, I should have made my post a bit more moderate and not based on speculation. Perhaps it is just the projection of my individual fear of having side effects from covid that I posted this, but you're right, there's no way for us to know for sure. I do wonder if there is a bias for the moderators of the r/science community to share negative news because that's what gets the most clicks, but it is interesting to consider how they accepted this particular reddit study while their rules are so strict. !delta >
  
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  From what I understand long covid isn't significantly different than long term symptoms of other severe respiratory illnesses the difference is just in scale. 
  Also of a lot it is just remaining sedentary afterwards, after I had covid my lung capacity was shredded but after 3ish months of working out doing cardio I built it back up, but if you didn't your lung capacity is probably not going to return to where it was. The lockdowns almost certainly compounded this issue, now that they are lifted more people should be "recovering" from long covid. >
  
  Long-COVID symptoms have been show to improve over time in most people. Most everyone has already been infected by COVID. Shouldn’t we be seeing the peak of the impact right now? >
  
  We just went through a pandemic that severely affected people’s body. Yes the effects are going to be lingering just as much it does when someone  tears a hamstring. Labeling this and making a big fuss out it is not going to raise anyone’s eyebrow. The media is churning hard on this but people ain’t going to buy it >
  
  How is long-COVID defined? I had COVID-19 in September and a specific symptom I thought was long COVID but turned out to be caused by ulcerative colitis being triggered by the COVID-19 - is that long-COVID? Because it’s a treatable illness now that I know what it is, which took four months to find out due to inability to access healthcare until December. It’s entirely possible many “long-COVID” symptoms are caused by undiagnosed autoimmune disorders triggered by the virus since so much about the immune system is unknown and COVID-19 made accessing healthcare more difficult. 
  
  there will be a massive increase in disability which is already looked down upon in most societies 
  
  that’s not inherent to society that disability is looked down upon, it’s a form of discrimination: ableism. Societies could change to be more accommodating to disabled people. >
  
  Ableism 
  
  Ableism (; also known as ablism, disablism (British English), anapirophobia, anapirism, and disability discrimination) is discrimination and social prejudice against people with disabilities or who are perceived to be disabled. Ableism characterizes people as defined by their disabilities and inferior to the non-disabled. On this basis, people are assigned or denied certain perceived abilities, skills, or character orientations. Although ableism and disablism are both terms which describe disability discrimination, the emphasis for each of these terms is slightly different.
  
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