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  I genuinely believed I would never live to see another US President who so frequently put their own foot in their mouth. Sigh…
context: you better stop fighting our invasion or we'll, or we'll, we'll invade harder! and then you'll see!!!!! >
  
  "You and what army?" -Ukraine, probably >
  
  “This army?” ~ Ukraine, gesturing behind itself towards all the captured and surrendered Russian equipment >
  
  Lmao this mental image is perfect >
  
  After all this, it'll be a century before Ukraine thinks about demilitarizing. >
  
  Russia gave the world a good example of why demilitarizing in general is a naive move and should not be done no matter how sweet the deal sounds like at first. >
  
  You’re not wrong. As much as nuclear proliferation is a bad thing, could you imagine this conflict happening in a world where Ukraine kept its nukes? >
  
  Just to play devil's advocate, isn't it amazing that Ukraine ever agreed to nuclear disarmament? Like, a more positive reinforcement-based approach would put us in this exact situation, wouldn't it? There will always be those who feel they must take advantage of those they perceive as weak, but those of us they perceive as strong will have their back. 
  It's imperfect, but I'm curious abt the pushback >
  
  The Budapest Memorandum pisses me off. It isn't explicit but if 'the west' expects countries to disarm nukes based on protection deals then any and all agression should trigger significant aid.
  EG day one of Russia setting foot in Ukraine in 2014 should have seen a unilateral response >
  
  I agree with you... but also, Russian aggression in Ukraine HAS triggered significant aid.  Very significant. >
  
  It shouldn't have taken 8 years. >
  
  You should also take into account that Ukraine evolved over that period. 8 years ago Ukrainian were skeptic about retaliation against Russia. Aiding them would have eagered Russia and might have created a war way before, which Ukrainian weren't prepared even with the money. Plus the war was seen has preventable, no one knew it would become like this. >
  
  We still should have hit Russia with absolutely brutal sanctions as soon as they annexed Crimea, completely crippling their economy and ability to wage future wars. >
  
  The issue at the time was that no government wanted to do it, otherwise it might have happened.
  Obama still had the military in Afghanistan, France made a clown out of itself during the Arab spring, Germany had Merkel, a largely passive leader in terms of direct actions, Britain was dealing with internal struggles about the Brexit.
  And when Russia seemingly stopped with the annexation of the Krim, everyone sighed in relief and turned back to dealing with their own internal issues.
  The 2015 refugee crisis might have been averted, if Europe had taken a stance against russian aggression and told Putin that way that he can't just do whatever he wants.
  Maybe the political leadership has wisened up sufficiently >
  
  How can Ukraine demilitarize when Russia keeps giving them more tanks and artillery? >
  
  It's Zeno's demilitarization.  They invade Ukraine, leave behind some equipment, and then re-invade to get rid of that equipment, and so on, never quite getting rid of all of it until they have run out of equipment themselves. >
  
  Ah, the old "Special Military Operation of Theseus" >
  
  That's a different paradox altogether >
  
  They have some sort of a point — if you replace all equipment with what you've taken, then... 
  Ah fuck it, you're right. It's two different situations >
  
  It's Schrodinger's Invasion. It's either a special military operation or a war depending on who is observing it. >
  
  Also the cat (Ukraine) is dead viewing it from the outside (Russia) but very well alive and scratching when they go inside the box. >
  
  Russia never shuts up, does it? >
  
  They are kids >
  
  Even kids learn to shut up after getting slapped around enough. >
  
  These kids send other kids to get slapped for them. >
  
  
  “Ukraine will demilitarize the RF (Russian Federation) to the end, oust the invaders from all occupied territories. Wait for the finale silently…” >
  
  Unfortunately, Lavrov made an error during his press conference. 
  What he meant to say was: Ukraine will demilitarise Russia. Or Russia will do it themselves >
  
  Reminds me of that George W Bush quote: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."