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  On Day 300 of the 3-day war. Any who.
context: you better stop fighting our invasion or we'll, or we'll, we'll invade harder! and then you'll see!!!!! >
  
  "You and what army?" -Ukraine, probably >
  
  “This army?” ~ Ukraine, gesturing behind itself towards all the captured and surrendered Russian equipment >
  
  Lmao this mental image is perfect >
  
  After all this, it'll be a century before Ukraine thinks about demilitarizing. >
  
  Russia gave the world a good example of why demilitarizing in general is a naive move and should not be done no matter how sweet the deal sounds like at first. >
  
  You’re not wrong. As much as nuclear proliferation is a bad thing, could you imagine this conflict happening in a world where Ukraine kept its nukes? >
  
  Just to play devil's advocate, isn't it amazing that Ukraine ever agreed to nuclear disarmament? Like, a more positive reinforcement-based approach would put us in this exact situation, wouldn't it? There will always be those who feel they must take advantage of those they perceive as weak, but those of us they perceive as strong will have their back. 
  It's imperfect, but I'm curious abt the pushback >
  
  The Budapest Memorandum pisses me off. It isn't explicit but if 'the west' expects countries to disarm nukes based on protection deals then any and all agression should trigger significant aid.
  EG day one of Russia setting foot in Ukraine in 2014 should have seen a unilateral response >
  
  I agree with you... but also, Russian aggression in Ukraine HAS triggered significant aid.  Very significant. >
  
  It shouldn't have taken 8 years. >
  
  You should also take into account that Ukraine evolved over that period. 8 years ago Ukrainian were skeptic about retaliation against Russia. Aiding them would have eagered Russia and might have created a war way before, which Ukrainian weren't prepared even with the money. Plus the war was seen has preventable, no one knew it would become like this. >
  
  We still should have hit Russia with absolutely brutal sanctions as soon as they annexed Crimea, completely crippling their economy and ability to wage future wars. >
  
  The issue at the time was that no government wanted to do it, otherwise it might have happened.
  Obama still had the military in Afghanistan, France made a clown out of itself during the Arab spring, Germany had Merkel, a largely passive leader in terms of direct actions, Britain was dealing with internal struggles about the Brexit.
  And when Russia seemingly stopped with the annexation of the Krim, everyone sighed in relief and turned back to dealing with their own internal issues.
  The 2015 refugee crisis might have been averted, if Europe had taken a stance against russian aggression and told Putin that way that he can't just do whatever he wants.
  Maybe the political leadership has wisened up sufficiently >
  
  How can Ukraine demilitarize when Russia keeps giving them more tanks and artillery? >
  
  It's Zeno's demilitarization.  They invade Ukraine, leave behind some equipment, and then re-invade to get rid of that equipment, and so on, never quite getting rid of all of it until they have run out of equipment themselves. >
  
  Ah, the old "Special Military Operation of Theseus" >
  
  That's a different paradox altogether >
  
  They have some sort of a point — if you replace all equipment with what you've taken, then... 
  Ah fuck it, you're right. It's two different situations >
  
  It's Schrodinger's Invasion. It's either a special military operation or a war depending on who is observing it. >
  
  Also the cat (Ukraine) is dead viewing it from the outside (Russia) but very well alive and scratching when they go inside the box. >
  
  Russia never shuts up, does it? >
  
  They are kids >
  
  Even kids learn to shut up after getting slapped around enough. >
  
  These kids send other kids to get slapped for them. >
  
  
  “Ukraine will demilitarize the RF (Russian Federation) to the end, oust the invaders from all occupied territories. Wait for the finale silently…” >
  
  Unfortunately, Lavrov made an error during his press conference. 
  What he meant to say was: Ukraine will demilitarise Russia. Or Russia will do it themselves >
  
  Reminds me of that George W Bush quote: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." >
  
  I genuinely believed I would never live to see another US President who so frequently put their own foot in their mouth. Sigh… >
  
  I think trump beat him by a mile. >
  
  And believe me, we know a thing or two about foots in mouths, don't we people? I know all the people that know a lot about putting their foot in their mouth, and they all agree that I'm the best at it. >
  
  Trump seriously sounded like his speeches were built by a rambly gpt-like AI >
  
  And people nevertheless bought into it with their entire being. Pathetic. >
  
  I remember being horrified when some people claimed he won the debates. He was a fucking immature idiot, but I guess a big percentage of Americans wanted an idiotic middle-school bully as president. >
  
  ...invading a country and trying to destroy their government and infrastructure through mass murder and displacement of civilians IS trying to forcibly demilitarize them.
  You're telling them to surrender, or else you'll invade... in the middle of a failing invasion. >
  
  Yeah, this has a slightly lame tone.  Stop resisting or I'll have to, uh, keep attacking you. >
  
  Lavrov coming hot with the "Black Knight from Holy Grail" vibes >
  
  Putin: I'm invincible!
  Zelensky: you're a looney. >
  
  lol they literally switched roles from strong leader and literal comedian. >
  
  Except puty is "bombing" on the world stage like chris d'elia on snapchat screenshots >
  
  r/outoftheloop
  
  Chris D'elia ? >
  
  Oof
  Let's just say he wasn't acting on Workaholics
  Edit: was to wasn't >
  
  Ok, so I know who he is because of Workaholics, but what'd he do wrong? I don't keep up with celebrities. >
  
  Lots of allegations about underage girls >
  
  Russia must fuck off or fuck off >
  
  Russian ship fucked itself >
  
  "Special self-fucking operation" >
  
  The warship reproduced itself as a submarine. >
  
  LOL remember when we all thought Russia was a superpower? >
  
  I remember watching a YouTube video in like June about the war and the narrator said something along the lines of "six months ago Russia had the second best military in the world, now it has the second best military in Ukraine" and I could not stop laughing because it is so accurate. They would have been much better strategically served by NOT going to war and keep fooling the world than showing how truly incompetent they are. >
  
  Indeed. They've handed the intelligence win of the century to NATO. Showing exactly how much hardware and capability a known-sized military requires to repel a Russian invasion. 
  Even if they still decided to do something this foolish, after their blitz attempt failed they should have just pulled out citing economic collusion from the west, but they decided to put their shitty hand on even fuller display. >
  
  Legit like: "you know our tanks that are better than the ones we export? Super vulnerable to ATGMs and only one model consistently has thermal optics and we STILL don't know what 'blow-out panels' are. The jets we have that are better than the ones we export? Well we're not sure how good or bad they are because we can't use them properly and don't actually train our pilots very much and NEVER on SEAD, though we definitely don't put secure communication devices in most. Speaking of secure communication equipment technically we made some but the actual good stuff only works within Russia and the other stuff we managed to actually manufacture and not fake there isn't enough of so we use cell phones and walkie talkies. R.A.T.N.I.K.? That actually never happened. Guided munitions? Well we've got some but define 'guided' by how close to the target we need to be; like is 1000m okay? Anti-Air? Well the S-300 and S-400 are very capable, but turns out the system has to be checks notes 'on and operated by trained personnel' well shit. VDV? Excellent troops highly trained and motivated, if they don't get shot down that is. Amphibious assault craft? Well the ones that are always on water are great, and the land based ones only need about a week of labor intensive and skilled maintenance to remain....afloat. Speaking of maintenance we are best at maintenance we turn our wheeled vehicles every 6-12 error years to avoid sun damage to the off brand tires we bought from China. Logistics? Well shit, we're really good at logistics....uhm quick question, are you within 100km of the border with Russia? No? Well then no, technically we're not good at logistics."
  Edit: Thanks for the Gold fellow Redditor. Slava Ukraini! >
  
  I saw a video recently that really put it well by saying "No the f35 and f22 can't shoot down a squadron of su57. As a squadron of su57 don't exist as only 9 or so of them were produced." >
  
  Not gonna lie, that first sentence had me going for a second >
  
  The world needs to deLavrov >
  
  I think he keeps saying these stupid things to avoid the window disease >
  
  I wouldn't explain that joke to my wife, I had her google it and just watched her expression change. >
  
  We will eventually get to the point where his inner circle will be very small, this is when Putin will likely go out the window >
  
  Russia is demilitarizing itself by losing equipment, ammunition, and personnel it can’t easily replace. >
  
  And the personnel that it can easily replace this time won't be as easily replaced next time when its colonial satellites see windows for power moves or China starts taking bites out of Siberia. Once you've burned through this generation's most readily available mobiks you're going to have to start telling more important people a degree or two closer to the keys of power that their precious children and grandchildren have to answer the call. >
  
  Fuck you Lavrov. That's pretty ballsy coming from a representative of a country that guaranteed Ukraine's security in return for them giving up their nukes. Additionally, Russian war crimes have been broadcast on the internet for a year now. >
  
  He's just doing what he's told so he doesn't "accidentally fall out of a window". >
  
  Would be very funny if he actually really did fall out of a window after saying all this BS. >
  
  Lmao imagine if Ukraine started imitating the FSB's modus operandi while Russia impotently tried to convince everyone that "No, it's really them doing it this time! I swear!" >
  
  Imagine the frantic calls between FSB agents trying to figure out who ordered it >
  
  I feel this is like the scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail where the Black Knight, armless and legless, is screaming about all the terrible things he's going to do to King Arthur. >
  
  'tis but a scratch >
  
  Dude looks like a sagging testicle. >
  
  I like to say he has a face like a slapped ballsack. >
  
  Lmao a slapped ballsack... Gonna have to remember that one. >
  
  Russia was so used to being a bully and larping as a military superpower, that they don’t realize nobody’s listening to their BS anymore lol >
  
  I agree, ruzzia should demilitarize >
  
  Russia is doing a pretty good job of demilitarizing themselves with all of the tanks, artillery, and infantry that they’re losing. They’re so close to being out of ammunition that they’re buying some from N Korea. The Ukrainians military has estimated that the Russians are down to one final wave of massed rockets to fire at civilian targets and they can’t replace them because the sanctions have stopped any technology from being imported by Russia. >
  
  They're down to two or three waves according to Ukrainian intelligence. The latest raid on Engels might've also put another nail in Russia's bombing campaign if the rumors of several bombers being seriously damaged are true. Supposedly they were planning a raid on Christmas, but were instead forced to evacuate their planes to Siberia. If the terror bombing fails then Russia is pretty much out of options. >
  
  Makes you wonder if they have a number of strategic bombers either damaged or behind on maintenance their ability to maintain nuclear readiness. Strategic bombers capable of launching cruise missiles are not cheap and no country has that many of them, most kept around from the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
  US is going to spend like 100b getting a new fleet of them. >
  
  That's another reason why the bombing campaign isn't sustainable in the long run. Russia has a finite amount of aging Cold War bombers. Air frame stress has surely put more than a few down for maintenance at this point. >
  
  That's presuming Russia doesn't just fly them into the ground (literally and metaphorically). >
  
  Lavrov is the Baghdad Bob of this decade, except he's not as entertaining. >
  
  You heard him, Russia is going to demilitarize.  No back-sises. >
  
  Oh yeah you and what army? >
  
  The Belorussian army, that’s what! >
  
  If you think the separatist soldiers are pathetic, wait till you see the Belarusian ones haha >
  
  My bet is Belarussians would simply refuse to invade Ukraine. I've heard both countries described as "sister countries" and Lukachenko isn't exactly popular. >
  
  100%. After the citizens have seen what Lukashenko has done, they know better than to trust putin. >
  
  Ooof the stupid spewed from this guy.  
  Ps he has one of the most punchable faces... >
  
  Yeah, he's (nearly) in the same league as McConnell in that regard... >
  
  I had never seen him before, so I just looked him up. He has an uncanny resemblance of McConnell. Like the Russian version of him in terms of appearance. >
  
  I think it would be awesome for Russia to Demilitarize.  Great idea, Lavrov.  Think of all the money that will save in their budgets. >
  
  When Putin plays poker, he bluffs every single hand. >
  
  He keeps bluffing and going all in even after the cards are down and everyone sees that his full house is just a pair of threes, an IOU from the nearest whorehouse and a few pieces of paper that have "I win" written in shaky crayon >
  
  Looks like Russia is bound and determined to see the break up of the Russian Federation and a demilitarization more so than a demilitarization of Ukraine. >
  
  Lavrov, do your spit or swallow Putin's juices? >
  
  Probably gargles. >
  
  The more this nazi fucker spews out his poison, the less chances of ending this war alive he has. >
  
  We’re gonna see Russia go full “do you want total war?!” >
  
  Russia will demilitarize? >
  
  They ARE demilitarising. Quite fast too >
  
  They are being demilitarised. >
  
  Russia will do it... With their mercenaries they can't even keep properly equipped. Lmao >
  
  He is mostly right. If Ukraine isnt demilitarized, russia will be