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  The guys in high school that got the girls were allowed to stay out late, get access to drugs/alcohol and party with them. It may not be the BEST parenting, but these kids leave high school with massively high self-esteems.
  
  I did drugs, alcohol and had many girlfriends during high-school. But that didn't really improve my self-esteem that much. Rather, because of low self-esteem I was doing dangerous to my body. When you have low self-esteem, anxiety, depression etc. no amount of "achievements" really matter to you - that's how celebrities, rich and otherwise successful people suffer from these issues as well despite having objectively, from your point of view, no reason to do so. 
  
  I wish my multiracial family taught me
  
  It's not your family's job to teach you how to date. Chances are, your family is out of touch with the teenage dating trends and any advice they might throw at you might be useless and outdated. 
  Case in point, the type of people you've mentioned (the ones who do drugs, alcohol and date a lot of girls) don't really receive a lot of parental orientation and guidance and still get to date a lot. 
  Besides, you underestimate teenagers' ability to not give a damn about any sort of advice you might throw at them, even if it's the best advice in the world. 
  Let me give an example: 
  
  It also would’ve been nice to tell me that most women don’t like “good, Christian boys,” and prefer the outspoken and extroverted.
  
  In terms of what - hookups or actual relationships? 
  If you're asking about hooking up with girls and getting laid, you are less likely to do that by being a good Christian guy because girls who are into hookups aren't that interested in marriage, children or christian values in general. 
  If you're looking for serious relationships, you're more likely to find one by being a good Christian guy because women who are interested in marriage, children etc. value stability, security, reliability etc. over anything else. 
  Young people are not generally into long term relationships. Older people are generally not into short term relationships. 
  This is all the advice you're ever going to need and I'm sure this is anything you haven't figured out yet. The problem is that if you're trying to get laid but you're claiming to be a good Christian guy, you're going to have as much of a good time as any guy who's screwing dozens of women will have to keep a stable relationship going. 
  The point is that no one can't really teach you how to "talk with suitors" if you haven't made up your mind as to what exactly you want from life - and once you do, you'll figure out how to talk with them yourself.
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  CMV: Parents of poor people failed to prepare them financially for life.
  CMV: Parents of fat people failed to prepare them healthwise for life.
  CMV: Parents of antisocial people failed to prepare them socially for life.
  CMV: Parents of criminals failed to prepare them for a life in society.
  This is a question of nature vs. nurture vs. free will. Do you agree with every statement above? Does every child of a shitty parent turn out shitty? Does every child of a great parent turn out great?
  If the answer to any of the above CMVs above is no, then some of the responsibility must rely on the individual. Is it fair? No. Do we all bear some responsibility for our actions??? >
  
  You are making a VERY incorrect assumption that incels lack adequate parenting while people who have sex had adequate parenting. That is way off base. In the example you used, you reference a different unhealthy relationship pattern. A literal child doing drugs, neglecting sleep, and having potentially unsafe sex due to those factors, is NOT something to aspire to.
  Incels need therapy. That’s it. Like a lot of other people. Parenting causes a lot of issues, but boiling down the complex psychology of incels to bad parenting is woefully inadequate. >
  
  There is no one or nothing that incels won't blame for their crap -- except themselves. 
  It's society not providing good role models! 
  It's parents not teaching them how to date or letting them do drugs! (which, wtf)!
  It's people being mean and not "reaching out!"
  It is always, always, women.
  It's never that they're just toxic, misogynistic losers who lack ambition, achievement, interest, anything but their juvenile ire and blaming. >
  
  
  they're just toxic, misogynistic losers who lack ambition, achievement, interest, anything but their juvenile ire and blaming.
  
  Does it mean that you exclude the possibility of a genuinely good person being involuntarily celibate?