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  I am usually not for the death penalty, but this one makes me question my moral compass.
context: Let Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system. >
  
  Probably…. More so? >
  
  Yeah, but even less capable than they were when they tried this shit before. >
  
  Yesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot >
  
  Grew up in Michigan. Me: "Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger." Both f-ing times. >
  
  Same. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar. >
  
  
  At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”
  
  I’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit. >
  
  Whenever someone says it, it's always about someone else's eggs getting broken. >
  
  Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice that I am willing to make. >
  
  Imagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart! >
  
  When you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms. >
  
  Loosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums….. >
  
  This was a good one >
  
  Not really >
  
  I just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.
  I'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.
  Edit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years. >
  
  It wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?
  And then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver. >
  
  They need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit. >
  
  It is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover. >
  
  Its probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.
  If you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, "You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either."
  To Law Enforcement you say, "That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!"
  Schrodinger's Terrorist. >
  
  Another dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers. >
  
  Let’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand. >
  
  
  “This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”
  
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  A different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.
  
  Man, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all. >
  
  Looks like that "the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on" defense didn't hold up. >
  
  Because it was a lie. >
  
  Short response: good.  Longer response?  Goooooooooooooooood. >
  
  Two more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence. >
  
  well, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid >
  
  Probably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders. >
  
  You know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it. >
  
  He looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop. >
  
  Good.  Fuck them all.9 >
  
  Finding out intensifies…… >
  
  More of this, judicial system. >
  
  Primeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. 
  enjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady. >
  
  
  Judge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot
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  Delaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”
  
  Interesting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes. >
  
  Still not long enough >
  
  I agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him. >
  
  And I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as "janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town." 
  And while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on "liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc," the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself. >
  
  Well, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN… >
  
  Hope he dies in prison. Fuck him. >
  
  Bbbbbut the FBI made me do it! >
  
  What kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm >
  
  If the "2A exists to protect us against tyranny" argument was a person. >
  
  And "tyranny" to them means anything they don't personally agree with. >
  
  
  And "tyranny" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.
  
  Or someone reading books to children at a library in drag. >
  
  “(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”
  Well, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you.  
  “Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “
  Yeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”.  Court doesn’t work that way.  The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded.  If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence.  
  This Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented.  Crybaby failure all the way around… >
  
  Interesting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not. >
  
  Because the majority of Jan 6 people committed minor criminal offenses compared to conspiracy to kidnap an elected official lol >
  
  I dont know, I distinctly remember shouts "hang Mike Pence" on that day. Pretty sure that's more than just kidnapping >
  
  Sure, the problem is parsing. 
  Hundreds of people were at the capitol. Dozens brought guns or explosives or zip ties, dozens roamed the halls looking for specific politicians, attacked police, or yelling to kill the VP. But hundreds more just sort of...got swept up and went along with the flow. Every person that stormed the capitol was guilty of a crime, but not all of them attacked cops or threatened murder. Some were just accomplices. And the trick is sifting through all the video and testimony and whatnot to determine which people in a crowd did the worst of it. Thankfully a lot of it was recorded clearly enough that it's easy to place the correct charges on some people, less so for others. >
  
  What about the people who radicalized them? >
  
  Why are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?