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  Why? There's a vaccine. Unless they're all unvaxxed grandma killers, shouldn't be a concern.
context: and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end.. >
  
  I mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected >
  
  Or they already recovered (trying to be hopeful here!) >
  
  Yeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again. >
  
  Although before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time. >
  
  "Before" there was no vaccine and little idea of what medicines and procedures would be necessary to treat people. Whole different ballgame. >
  
  Almost no progress was made on treatment, we went all in on the vaccine. The big difference is not even the vaccine, it's the general immunity. This is no longer a novel virus. >
  
  
  The big difference is not even the vaccine, it's the general immunity. This is no longer a novel virus.
  
  I beg to differ. The only difference between us and the China is the fact we have vaccines and we are handling it way better.
  The China however doesn't have our vaccines and they are FUBAR on this one.
  Can't have a better case study on how well the vaccines actually work :) >
  
  You are full of shit mate. China did way better and they have a better penetration of vaccines, which are by the way highly effective according to clinical data. >
  
  According to whose clinical data? Chineese? We can now see how good they are doing.
  We can literally observe it - western countries are functioning as usual, people no longer clog the hospitals, deathrate down by a lot. Meanwhile China struggles.
  Literally we saved ourselves with mRNA vaccines and now we are getting the biggest sample possible for studies there is to confirm it. >
  
  One of the big handicaps I’ve read (U.S. sources) of China’s handling is their refusal to utilize foreign vaccines. While theirs is suffering from both accessibility and effectiveness. So hard to say with so much misinformation tho >
  
  They can’t convince people to take their vaccines, precisely because they lie so much that nobody trusts them that it’s safe or effective >
  
  The dats shows 90 percent of Chinese people were vaccinated but by the sinopharm or the other one (Ru& Chinese Vax). When country says something is mandatory there it means if you don't do that you are really fucked. It's not like it's in our countries where you are allowed to disobey the government to a certain degree. >
  
  IIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there? >
  
  Look I get that we all hate low quality goods, but saying the exact same goods (for example Gucci Bags as described in the article you replied to) are junk because Chinese hands made them is pretty racist. >
  
  Okay how about underpaid unskilled foreign workers shipped  en masse to work full day shifts with low cost material, but the people happen to be Chinese. >
  
  Yeah all that is fair to say, except for the unskilled part. Skilled people who are paid to work too fast or over hours that are too long produce goods that are poor quality. 
  Talk to any software engineer about the shitty products they’ve had to ship because they don’t have the time or manpower to test their products before release or fix any issues that do arise. >
  
  No the article linked above literally mentions how the Chinese are shipped in because they are a super cheap source of pretty much unskilled labor. You’re confusing unskilled with untrained I think. If anyone can become proficient at a job within 2-6 weeks it’s regarded as unskilled >
  
  It's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world. >
  
  So it’s 2020 all over again. >
  
  Except the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. 
  So, no, not really like 2020 at all. >
  
  The concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. 
  Not 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up. >
  
  Who says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on. >
  
  
  So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.
  
  They're basing it on fear-mongering >
  
  Deny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs >
  
  Not everyone has been exposed or can be vaccinated, you're applying the same herd immunity sentiment of do nothing that causes people to die that we saw in 2020 and 21. >
  
  We cannot protect everyone from becoming infected forever. 
  That's the reason most COVID restrictions have been phased out by now. >
  
  Yeah we can. We have multiple functioning vaccines and with those able to produce herd immunity without sacrificing grandma and grandpa. >
  
  You just said not everyone can be vaccinated. >
  
  No surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else. >
  
  Its also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year.  The next month is going to be very interesting. >
  
  My company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb >
  
  Sounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity. >
  
  How to avoid this though?
  This is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide. >
  
  They should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.
  The truth comes out eventually. >
  
  How would that change things? 
  Our vaccines are only effective for 3-6 months. I got reasonably sick despite having had Moderna 1 year ago (yeah, I skipped 2nd booster). 
  It’s impossible to keep a population such as China’s boosted enough to build immunity, no matter the vaccine. 
  Western ones would make it even harder due to shipping/storage conditions that are much more complicated to the old stuff.
  And this is all before the vaccine skepticism and sense of security by the cn gov preaching zero Covid kicks in. >
  
  Pretty much every nation has gotten Covid to a point where it’s just a bad flu. In the USA if you have a health complication like the elderly, heart condition, etc, you are almost certainly vaxed and boosted (minus the antivaxxers). Then if you get COVID you stay out of the hospital in 90% of cases. Chinas vaccine simply doesn’t work nearly as well and there is a shortage of it >
  
  Never have >
  
  I just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak. >
  
  There already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on. >
  
  My poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci. >
  
  THE SPICE MELANGE >
  
  The opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect? >
  
  Covid / 0 >
  
  Italy: No way this could go the same way twice right? >
  
  And the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!!