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  Asking the real questions now. Hard to say without actually seeing them in action, but according to the Global Firepower Index, they came in 13th out of 142 countries looked at, behind France and UK (at 7th and 8th, respectively), but ahead of Germany (16th). Granted the same index put Russia at the #2 spot, so… yeah, might want to take those numbers with a grain of salt.
  EDIT: On a side note, the index put Ukraine at the #22 spot, right between Taiwan and Canada.
context: It's like saying there will be no peace plan. >
  
  Pretty much. The Kremlin is purposefully taking a position of moral high-ground in order to try and make it look like Ukraine is the one being bellicose and unreasonable. “We want peace, we are trying to negotiate,” the Kremlin insists, while massacring civilians and trying to permanently annex a large section of the economically and politically weaker, disadvantaged country, which obviously doesn’t want to lose its land. >
  
  It's like the scene in Mars Attacks where the aliens keep shooting everyone while repeating "we come in peace" over and over. >
  
  This is a fun reference I didn’t expect to see here. >
  
  Gak. Gak GAK gak! >
  
  r/Ack >
  
  Brilliant. >
  
  Arrested criminal: my plea bargain must include keeping the stolen goods
  Prosecution: uh… >
  
  Well the plan SHOULD include it. I think it should say: "Russia shall return all regions to Ukraine, including Crimeria and shall lose access to Sevastapol. Russian leaders shall stand trial for war crimes committed"
  There you go, included as requested. >
  
  Returned in their restored original state >
  
  Better to fix the area with Ukranian people, but get Russia to pay reparations. I wouldn't trust the invaders to do a good job restoring anything. >
  
  Are you insinuating that the country that failed at the road trip portion of an invasion is bad at logistics? >
  
  “What if we drive all of our supplies in one straight line along this road and then come to a stop?“
  -21st Century Tacticians >
  
  
  come to a stop
  
  I'm not convinced this is as much a part of the plan as it is a consequence of yknow...not having fuel/working motors. >
  
  To be fair, they didn't have fuel because they forgot that the rest of us can be like, "yo Ukrainians...we can't do boots on the ground, but how would you feel about a mountain of rocket drones and also up-to-the-minute info about where all of your enemies are at all times?" >
  
  I don’t think they forgot, I think Putin and his goons completely miscalculated how intense the Wests response would be. >
  
  
  I don’t think they forgot, I think Putin and his goons completely miscalculated how intense the Wests response would be.
  
  They are waiting for their assets in the Republican party to take over the House and stop the aid to Ukraine. The next few months will tell the tale. >
  
  And then 5 years later they pull the same crap again. Why would anyone trust a single word coming out of theses peoples mouths? >
  
  They really shouldn't gain anything from this war, if anything Ukraine should get Crimea back. This whole war should be such a massive fuck-up for Russia that they'll hopefully think twice about invading again. >
  
  
  They really shouldn't gain anything from this war
  
  Unfortunately, between the hundreds of kidnapped children, ethnic cleansing  of the russian minority groups, murdering ukrainian civilians, etc etc etc., they already gained more than they ever deserve. >
  
  But when Ukraine gets its territory back, joins nato, can supply Europe with gas and progress fully into the 21st century, they will have gained a lot back. And Russia will have less than it has in decades. >
  
  That's the hope brother! >
  
  It ought to include Russia leaving them >
  
  “…and Russian shall retain a certain percentage of the annexed regions.”
  “What percent?”
  “Zero. Zero is a percent.” >
  
  Nah, 0.0001%, they can keep that one nasty toilet. >
  
  They stick it right on the border and draw a semicircle line around it and then give it to them. >
  
  Only 100,000,000 more invasions until we have all of Ukraine comrades >
  
  Nah. Only 100,000,000 more invasions until we have all of Ukraine's COMMODES. >
  
  Which will all be built into a nice ceramic wall at the border. >
  
  "dibs" must be respected says demented man trying to shove himself into a stranger's car >
  
  I see it more as pissing on something to claim it's yours. >
  
  When your peepee blows stuff up, recommend seeking medical advice. >
  
  So basically the same as their current war plan (having failed to take the lot) with the word ‘war’ crossed out and peace written in in crayon? >
  
  There can obviously be no peace plans while there are still russians occupying Ukrainian territory. >
  
  There won't be a need for peace talk if there aren't any Russian occupied Ukrainian territory though. >
  
  Not to mention Russia has proven twice now that treatys between them and Ukraine arent worth the paper they are printed on. >
  
  The only treaty Russia understands is NATO and force. Ukraine will be armed to the hilt after this, actually, they’re already ahead of some NATO members. >
  
  With the amount of weapons and veteran troops Ukraine might be downright the strongest land army in Europe right now. >
  
  IIRC, Turkey has the second-largest standing army in NATO (behind the US), with about 2x the number of active troops of Germany or France, close to 3x that of the UK. On paper, Ukraine had a bit under half the active troops prior to the invasion, although they also had a much larger reserve force than Turkey, and after this year they probably have a lot more hands-on experience. >
  
  
  IIRC, Turkey has the second-largest standing army in NATO
  
  Russia had a huge army too. What is the quality like for the average Turkish recruit?