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  IIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there?
context: and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end.. >
  
  I mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected >
  
  Or they already recovered (trying to be hopeful here!) >
  
  Yeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again. >
  
  Although before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time. >
  
  "Before" there was no vaccine and little idea of what medicines and procedures would be necessary to treat people. Whole different ballgame. >
  
  Almost no progress was made on treatment, we went all in on the vaccine. The big difference is not even the vaccine, it's the general immunity. This is no longer a novel virus. >
  
  
  The big difference is not even the vaccine, it's the general immunity. This is no longer a novel virus.
  
  I beg to differ. The only difference between us and the China is the fact we have vaccines and we are handling it way better.
  The China however doesn't have our vaccines and they are FUBAR on this one.
  Can't have a better case study on how well the vaccines actually work :) >
  
  You are full of shit mate. China did way better and they have a better penetration of vaccines, which are by the way highly effective according to clinical data. >
  
  According to whose clinical data? Chineese? We can now see how good they are doing.
  We can literally observe it - western countries are functioning as usual, people no longer clog the hospitals, deathrate down by a lot. Meanwhile China struggles.
  Literally we saved ourselves with mRNA vaccines and now we are getting the biggest sample possible for studies there is to confirm it. >
  
  One of the big handicaps I’ve read (U.S. sources) of China’s handling is their refusal to utilize foreign vaccines. While theirs is suffering from both accessibility and effectiveness. So hard to say with so much misinformation tho >
  
  They can’t convince people to take their vaccines, precisely because they lie so much that nobody trusts them that it’s safe or effective >
  
  The dats shows 90 percent of Chinese people were vaccinated but by the sinopharm or the other one (Ru& Chinese Vax). When country says something is mandatory there it means if you don't do that you are really fucked. It's not like it's in our countries where you are allowed to disobey the government to a certain degree.