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  China! Fucking close the borders already!
context: and if they didnt have it at the start of the flight they would by the end.. >
  
  I mean it's gotta be at least 95% right, if 50% of the passengers are infected >
  
  Or they already recovered (trying to be hopeful here!) >
  
  Yeah, let's just casually repeat the start of this shit show again. >
  
  Although before will look like a slow trickle compared to how it will go this time. >
  
  "Before" there was no vaccine and little idea of what medicines and procedures would be necessary to treat people. Whole different ballgame. >
  
  Almost no progress was made on treatment, we went all in on the vaccine. The big difference is not even the vaccine, it's the general immunity. This is no longer a novel virus. >
  
  
  The big difference is not even the vaccine, it's the general immunity. This is no longer a novel virus.
  
  I beg to differ. The only difference between us and the China is the fact we have vaccines and we are handling it way better.
  The China however doesn't have our vaccines and they are FUBAR on this one.
  Can't have a better case study on how well the vaccines actually work :) >
  
  You are full of shit mate. China did way better and they have a better penetration of vaccines, which are by the way highly effective according to clinical data. >
  
  According to whose clinical data? Chineese? We can now see how good they are doing.
  We can literally observe it - western countries are functioning as usual, people no longer clog the hospitals, deathrate down by a lot. Meanwhile China struggles.
  Literally we saved ourselves with mRNA vaccines and now we are getting the biggest sample possible for studies there is to confirm it. >
  
  One of the big handicaps I’ve read (U.S. sources) of China’s handling is their refusal to utilize foreign vaccines. While theirs is suffering from both accessibility and effectiveness. So hard to say with so much misinformation tho >
  
  They can’t convince people to take their vaccines, precisely because they lie so much that nobody trusts them that it’s safe or effective >
  
  The dats shows 90 percent of Chinese people were vaccinated but by the sinopharm or the other one (Ru& Chinese Vax). When country says something is mandatory there it means if you don't do that you are really fucked. It's not like it's in our countries where you are allowed to disobey the government to a certain degree. >
  
  IIRC, one of the first places hit really hard by covid was Italy. Is there some reason that the Chinese seem to favor going there? >
  
  Look I get that we all hate low quality goods, but saying the exact same goods (for example Gucci Bags as described in the article you replied to) are junk because Chinese hands made them is pretty racist. >
  
  Okay how about underpaid unskilled foreign workers shipped  en masse to work full day shifts with low cost material, but the people happen to be Chinese. >
  
  Yeah all that is fair to say, except for the unskilled part. Skilled people who are paid to work too fast or over hours that are too long produce goods that are poor quality. 
  Talk to any software engineer about the shitty products they’ve had to ship because they don’t have the time or manpower to test their products before release or fix any issues that do arise. >
  
  No the article linked above literally mentions how the Chinese are shipped in because they are a super cheap source of pretty much unskilled labor. You’re confusing unskilled with untrained I think. If anyone can become proficient at a job within 2-6 weeks it’s regarded as unskilled >
  
  It's like the CCP has decided that if China's economy is going to suffer for their mistakes, then so is the rest of the world. >
  
  So it’s 2020 all over again. >
  
  Except the western country these people were going to has already had several waves of Covid, and have access to fairly effective vaccines, which should help prevent spread and also prevent a healthcare crush. Not to mention the newer strains tend to be less fatal. 
  So, no, not really like 2020 at all. >
  
  The concern is a new strain with high vaccine escape that is as bad as Delta, or worse. Those odds are skyrocketing with the infection rate China is experiencing. 
  Not 2020, sure, but a cause for concern. There’s no magic hand guiding the virus’s mutations, so hopefully we get lucky and no significant new variants pop up. >
  
  Who says those odds are skyrocketing? We already had billions of people all over the world getting omicron and its subvariants. Nothing indicates that there is a likelihood of a more dangerous variant. It has all been trending to more virulent, less dangerous. So really not sure what you are basing your statements on. >
  
  
  So really not sure what you are basing your statements on.
  
  They're basing it on fear-mongering >
  
  Deny all of them entry already, and quarantine the airport staff, ffs >
  
  Not everyone has been exposed or can be vaccinated, you're applying the same herd immunity sentiment of do nothing that causes people to die that we saw in 2020 and 21. >
  
  We cannot protect everyone from becoming infected forever. 
  That's the reason most COVID restrictions have been phased out by now. >
  
  Yeah we can. We have multiple functioning vaccines and with those able to produce herd immunity without sacrificing grandma and grandpa. >
  
  You just said not everyone can be vaccinated. >
  
  No surprise there. It's winter, it's cold, so viruses are thriving and this mixed with chinese population density can't lead to anything else. >
  
  Its also their holiday season where people do a crap ton of travel, sometimes their only chance to see family all year.  The next month is going to be very interesting. >
  
  My company basically rolled back all the wfh stuff. We’ll now if this shit gets bad again bet they gonna look dumb >
  
  Sounds like the beginning all over again. China is a ticking time bomb with the lack of immunity. >
  
  How to avoid this though?
  This is just a huge mass of people. Whether they let it rip in 2021, 2022, or 2110, this is still 1B+ of people that have to get sick in order to close down the pandemic worldwide. >
  
  They should have swallowed their pride and gotten the more effective mRNA vaccines instead of their own ineffective one.
  The truth comes out eventually. >
  
  How would that change things? 
  Our vaccines are only effective for 3-6 months. I got reasonably sick despite having had Moderna 1 year ago (yeah, I skipped 2nd booster). 
  It’s impossible to keep a population such as China’s boosted enough to build immunity, no matter the vaccine. 
  Western ones would make it even harder due to shipping/storage conditions that are much more complicated to the old stuff.
  And this is all before the vaccine skepticism and sense of security by the cn gov preaching zero Covid kicks in. >
  
  Pretty much every nation has gotten Covid to a point where it’s just a bad flu. In the USA if you have a health complication like the elderly, heart condition, etc, you are almost certainly vaxed and boosted (minus the antivaxxers). Then if you get COVID you stay out of the hospital in 90% of cases. Chinas vaccine simply doesn’t work nearly as well and there is a shortage of it >
  
  Never have >
  
  I just flew from South Carolina to the west coast. I was the only one wearing a mask and there were at least a dozen passengers coughing and sneezing. With New Year’s Eve in a couple days I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s another massive outbreak. >
  
  There already is another wave happening, the CDC just refuses to acknowledge it so we have to rely on things like wastewater tracking to see what’s going on. >
  
  My poops are private and this is a huge overstep by the Fauci. >
  
  THE SPICE MELANGE >
  
  The opposite of zero COVID is lots of COVID. What the hell did you all expect? >
  
  Covid / 0 >
  
  Italy: No way this could go the same way twice right? >
  
  And the other 50% were infected in the flight and will be positive in days. So 100%, JACKPOT!!! >
  
  Why? There's a vaccine. Unless they're all unvaxxed grandma killers, shouldn't be a concern. >
  
  Vaccinated people can still spread it the vaccine is more about not dying and keeping you out of a hospital bed then containing the spread. >
  
  Oh good.
  I'm boarding a plane to Milan right now. >
  
  See you there on Monday >
  
  Safe travels. >
  
  Likewise mate >
  
  If only we could have seen this coming.... >
  
  So the CCP reopened their borders so quickly to infect the rest of the world, again. At some point we have to choose to close our borders to nations that are having a major outbreak ffs. We are stuck on fucking stupid over here. >
  
  Holy crap! That’s a lot of freaking people. That’s not good. >
  
  I'm looking at this from a glass half empty view. Half of those people don't have Covid. >
  
  Well, they didn't before they boarded that plane at least >
  
  Ban travel from China now, not later. Should have been an immediate ban when they lifted restrictions. Who knows what kind of variants they are going to release. >
  
  How fucking dumb are you people? Banning travel from one country does not fucking work. If you want to stop the virus from spreading you need to ban travel from EVERY country. Literally ground every single airplane in earth.
  Last time the retard Trump banned flights from China which did fuck all since covid came in from EUROPE. >
  
  If travel had of been vetted properly at the start of the pandemic, we may not even have a pandemic now. It could have gone the way SARS went if China locked down the country quickly instead of pretending there was no danger. China wasn't open with their information when infections first popped up there, by the time they were - it was too late. Then millions migrated around the world for Chinese New Year and that is why we have the pandemic we have.
  Anyone flying in from China should require a negative test. Last thing we need is millions more cases coming in in a short period of time. >
  
  Doesn't help Trump had also previously withdrawn our epidemiologists from China. Imagine if they had still been there... this could have been prevented. >
  
  We learned nothing from 2020.
  At least make PCR/antigen mandatory again for people willing to travel from China >
  
  If only we had seen this before... >
  
  Are we going to stop flights from China like it’s March 2020 again? >
  
  Great. Just great. Thank you for everything China. >
  
  They… kinda kept the numbers down for years by cutting Chinese tourists from the international flow. >
  
  ~~YouTube~~ Corona Rewind! >
  
  Yep and the other 50% will go to the UK. >
  
  Pretty much correlates with the number of people currently sick with Covid there.
  With no herd immunity and density of the airport-connected cities, it will be a quick bit insanely high spike. >
  
  So the rest of the world can open up and "live with covid" but as soon as china does its a problem? Get a grip ppl. >
  
  Deja vu >
  
  Well, all nations need to be on alert and go back to the Covid protocols for anyone, not just Chinese visitors then. >
  
  China on the verge of burning any last goodwill here. Businesses have by large started looking for alternative manufacturing sites. If they kick off another pandemic, the rest of the world will write them off. >
  
  How long before there is another treatment resistant/vaccine resistant variant? >
  
  Well, it's not a binary. The newer omicron-specific miRNA vaccines will probably retain some effectiveness, though less. But obviously the effectiveness of the original vaccine will drop more. >
  
  Fingers crossed that it becomes less deadly with each variant, though I think that is a crap shoot really >
  
  it has an equal chance of becoming more deadly.. >
  
  Not true.  Viruses can occasionally become more deadly but generally become more benign over time.  It is nowhere near 50/50 >
  
  That goes against everything I’ve heard—Can you give me a link to read up? >
  
  Really? Where did you read this?
  Natural selection favors the virus that can infect the most people, which rarely is best accomplished by more serious side effects or death. The best "strategy" for the virus is to have limited symptoms, so people don't rest and essentially self-quaratine. >
  
  That’s a fallacy, according to the professors I’ve had. It doesn’t matter if the virus is deadly or not, as long as it is able to infect more hosts before it kills. 
  There is no strategy involved, this isn’t the same as evolution. It’s not “either severe or contagious” either. 
  Could you please link to where you’re getting this idea? If I’m wrong, and the professors I had were wrong, I’d like to read about it to inform myself. >
  
  Well it’s literally is evolution but it’s not Plague Inc the game. >
  
  get rdy for the next wave of asian hate crimes >
  
  You can literally see it fomenting in this thread. Zero covid policy? China bad. Relaxed restrictions? China bad. >
  
  Because they are bad. Harsh zero-covid followed by a sudden ease of restrictions is like pulling back a slingshot and letting go. You're not making the smart gotcha-argument you think you are. >
  
  Maybe travel from China should be restricted until they give a shit >
  
  nonononononono I have a trip to Italy in June!! WHY ARE THEY LETTING THEM OUT???? >
  
  You know there are still having 10’s of thousands of cases per day already right? >
  
  Look, this vacation was planned and paid for and canceled in 2020/2021/2022. If they lock down again it’s all over and I’m not getting any younger >
  
  No no, I’m saying this plane of Chinese people is a drop in the bucket and you presumably weren’t worried before. Go have fun. >
  
  I want toooo!! >
  
  Remember when China restricted domestic travel to prevent covid transmission internally while allowing outbound international flights to spread covid around the world?
  Pepperidge Farm remembers. >
  
  Source on that? >
  
  There isn't one because it's not true. >
  
  Oh I know. >
  
  Is this a form of biological warfare? Economic consequences of the virus being high, wanting to share that with the world, to level the playing field? I don't really convinced of that, but it is odd that they opened outbound flights at this time. >
  
  Unpopular opinion: ban all flights coming from China and/or make Chinese passport holders get tested upon arrival. >
  
  So only Chinese people coming from China are a problem? Americans coming from China are fine because they deserve freedom unlike these filthy Chinese?
  Yeah, I'd say that's a pretty unpopular opinion. >
  
  Maybe conspiracy theory but could China done this on purpose, knowing they would infect the west? >
  
  Fucking irresponsible disease spreaders >
  
  China wants to spread it again and say look at how much better we can deal with our own fuck up. >
  
  Fucking shit, USA please put up mandatory covid19 tests for people from China and surrounding areas.
  
  CCP is literally speed running the pandemic instead of flattening the curve.
  They also going to blame Chinese tourists who come back as the result of the pandemic outbreak. >
  
  There are no Chinese tourists. Chinese citizens have not been allowed to leave the country for tourism since 2020. That ban still applies. It will be lifted in January however. >
  
  
  mandatory covid19 tests 
  
  It's of limited value when a quarter of the plane will be infected anyways (if you test on departure, assuming only half the people use fake tests) and the tests won't show anything in the remaining 3/4 who got infected on the plane... >
  
  Anyone else kinda hoping for a return to lockdowns, quiet cities, animals exploring the streets, etc? 
  I know it sucked in a lot of ways. But the break from wars and nationalist propaganda and shit... I miss it >
  
  I loved lockdown, but then I'm a recluse anyway.
  It would have been better if I wasn't working throughout it all.
  Still salty that everyone else I know got a 6or so month break from work with nearly full pay whilst I had to wor
  I can see why lockdowns sucked for some people though. >
  
  Just so I can properly respond to everyone in this thread at once:
  A.) No, it’s not going to be as bad as you’re saying, globally.
  B.) No, it’s not going to be as good as you’re saying, globally. >
  
  How is China fucking up this badly? Quarantining a plague is something that seems like you could do better in a totalitarian nation. >
  
  Did you miss their zero-COVID policy the entirety of last year? And then the entire world’s media and the population started bitching about it being tyranny, so they lifted the policy and now the entire world is bitching again lmao >
  
  For fuck sake ban all flights and Chinese nationals from all countries. We cannot have a repeat of 2020 >
  
  Why would this be a repeat of 2020?  Isn’t this strain already widespread? >
  
  I'll scream my fucking lungs out if those idiots from China have us quarantined again, and I'm in Italy so yeah, our screams are literal Thu'um. >
  
  china is attempting to weaken the worlds super powers thus making it easier to take them over later. >
  
  How does that make sense? They’re trying to infect people with COVID and incapacitate them, by…first incapacitating themselves with COVID? >
  
  Duh….