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  Well Ukraine seems to be doing a good job demilitarizing Russia...
context: you better stop fighting our invasion or we'll, or we'll, we'll invade harder! and then you'll see!!!!! >
  
  "You and what army?" -Ukraine, probably >
  
  “This army?” ~ Ukraine, gesturing behind itself towards all the captured and surrendered Russian equipment >
  
  Lmao this mental image is perfect >
  
  After all this, it'll be a century before Ukraine thinks about demilitarizing. >
  
  Russia gave the world a good example of why demilitarizing in general is a naive move and should not be done no matter how sweet the deal sounds like at first. >
  
  You’re not wrong. As much as nuclear proliferation is a bad thing, could you imagine this conflict happening in a world where Ukraine kept its nukes? >
  
  Just to play devil's advocate, isn't it amazing that Ukraine ever agreed to nuclear disarmament? Like, a more positive reinforcement-based approach would put us in this exact situation, wouldn't it? There will always be those who feel they must take advantage of those they perceive as weak, but those of us they perceive as strong will have their back. 
  It's imperfect, but I'm curious abt the pushback >
  
  The Budapest Memorandum pisses me off. It isn't explicit but if 'the west' expects countries to disarm nukes based on protection deals then any and all agression should trigger significant aid.
  EG day one of Russia setting foot in Ukraine in 2014 should have seen a unilateral response >
  
  I agree with you... but also, Russian aggression in Ukraine HAS triggered significant aid.  Very significant. >
  
  It shouldn't have taken 8 years. >
  
  You should also take into account that Ukraine evolved over that period. 8 years ago Ukrainian were skeptic about retaliation against Russia. Aiding them would have eagered Russia and might have created a war way before, which Ukrainian weren't prepared even with the money. Plus the war was seen has preventable, no one knew it would become like this. >
  
  We still should have hit Russia with absolutely brutal sanctions as soon as they annexed Crimea, completely crippling their economy and ability to wage future wars. >
  
  The issue at the time was that no government wanted to do it, otherwise it might have happened.
  Obama still had the military in Afghanistan, France made a clown out of itself during the Arab spring, Germany had Merkel, a largely passive leader in terms of direct actions, Britain was dealing with internal struggles about the Brexit.
  And when Russia seemingly stopped with the annexation of the Krim, everyone sighed in relief and turned back to dealing with their own internal issues.
  The 2015 refugee crisis might have been averted, if Europe had taken a stance against russian aggression and told Putin that way that he can't just do whatever he wants.
  Maybe the political leadership has wisened up sufficiently >
  
  How can Ukraine demilitarize when Russia keeps giving them more tanks and artillery? >
  
  It's Zeno's demilitarization.  They invade Ukraine, leave behind some equipment, and then re-invade to get rid of that equipment, and so on, never quite getting rid of all of it until they have run out of equipment themselves. >
  
  Ah, the old "Special Military Operation of Theseus" >
  
  That's a different paradox altogether >
  
  They have some sort of a point — if you replace all equipment with what you've taken, then... 
  Ah fuck it, you're right. It's two different situations >
  
  It's Schrodinger's Invasion. It's either a special military operation or a war depending on who is observing it. >
  
  Also the cat (Ukraine) is dead viewing it from the outside (Russia) but very well alive and scratching when they go inside the box. >
  
  Russia never shuts up, does it? >
  
  They are kids >
  
  Even kids learn to shut up after getting slapped around enough. >
  
  These kids send other kids to get slapped for them. >
  
  
  “Ukraine will demilitarize the RF (Russian Federation) to the end, oust the invaders from all occupied territories. Wait for the finale silently…” >
  
  Unfortunately, Lavrov made an error during his press conference. 
  What he meant to say was: Ukraine will demilitarise Russia. Or Russia will do it themselves >
  
  Reminds me of that George W Bush quote: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." >
  
  I genuinely believed I would never live to see another US President who so frequently put their own foot in their mouth. Sigh… >
  
  I think trump beat him by a mile. >
  
  And believe me, we know a thing or two about foots in mouths, don't we people? I know all the people that know a lot about putting their foot in their mouth, and they all agree that I'm the best at it. >
  
  Trump seriously sounded like his speeches were built by a rambly gpt-like AI >
  
  And people nevertheless bought into it with their entire being. Pathetic. >
  
  I remember being horrified when some people claimed he won the debates. He was a fucking immature idiot, but I guess a big percentage of Americans wanted an idiotic middle-school bully as president. >
  
  ...invading a country and trying to destroy their government and infrastructure through mass murder and displacement of civilians IS trying to forcibly demilitarize them.
  You're telling them to surrender, or else you'll invade... in the middle of a failing invasion. >
  
  Yeah, this has a slightly lame tone.  Stop resisting or I'll have to, uh, keep attacking you. >
  
  Lavrov coming hot with the "Black Knight from Holy Grail" vibes >
  
  Putin: I'm invincible!
  Zelensky: you're a looney. >
  
  lol they literally switched roles from strong leader and literal comedian. >
  
  Except puty is "bombing" on the world stage like chris d'elia on snapchat screenshots >
  
  r/outoftheloop
  
  Chris D'elia ? >
  
  Oof
  Let's just say he wasn't acting on Workaholics
  Edit: was to wasn't >
  
  Ok, so I know who he is because of Workaholics, but what'd he do wrong? I don't keep up with celebrities. >
  
  Lots of allegations about underage girls >
  
  Russia must fuck off or fuck off >
  
  Russian ship fucked itself >
  
  "Special self-fucking operation" >
  
  The warship reproduced itself as a submarine. >
  
  LOL remember when we all thought Russia was a superpower? >
  
  I remember watching a YouTube video in like June about the war and the narrator said something along the lines of "six months ago Russia had the second best military in the world, now it has the second best military in Ukraine" and I could not stop laughing because it is so accurate. They would have been much better strategically served by NOT going to war and keep fooling the world than showing how truly incompetent they are. >
  
  Indeed. They've handed the intelligence win of the century to NATO. Showing exactly how much hardware and capability a known-sized military requires to repel a Russian invasion. 
  Even if they still decided to do something this foolish, after their blitz attempt failed they should have just pulled out citing economic collusion from the west, but they decided to put their shitty hand on even fuller display. >
  
  Legit like: "you know our tanks that are better than the ones we export? Super vulnerable to ATGMs and only one model consistently has thermal optics and we STILL don't know what 'blow-out panels' are. The jets we have that are better than the ones we export? Well we're not sure how good or bad they are because we can't use them properly and don't actually train our pilots very much and NEVER on SEAD, though we definitely don't put secure communication devices in most. Speaking of secure communication equipment technically we made some but the actual good stuff only works within Russia and the other stuff we managed to actually manufacture and not fake there isn't enough of so we use cell phones and walkie talkies. R.A.T.N.I.K.? That actually never happened. Guided munitions? Well we've got some but define 'guided' by how close to the target we need to be; like is 1000m okay? Anti-Air? Well the S-300 and S-400 are very capable, but turns out the system has to be checks notes 'on and operated by trained personnel' well shit. VDV? Excellent troops highly trained and motivated, if they don't get shot down that is. Amphibious assault craft? Well the ones that are always on water are great, and the land based ones only need about a week of labor intensive and skilled maintenance to remain....afloat. Speaking of maintenance we are best at maintenance we turn our wheeled vehicles every 6-12 error years to avoid sun damage to the off brand tires we bought from China. Logistics? Well shit, we're really good at logistics....uhm quick question, are you within 100km of the border with Russia? No? Well then no, technically we're not good at logistics."
  Edit: Thanks for the Gold fellow Redditor. Slava Ukraini! >
  
  I saw a video recently that really put it well by saying "No the f35 and f22 can't shoot down a squadron of su57. As a squadron of su57 don't exist as only 9 or so of them were produced." >
  
  Not gonna lie, that first sentence had me going for a second >
  
  The world needs to deLavrov >
  
  I think he keeps saying these stupid things to avoid the window disease >
  
  I wouldn't explain that joke to my wife, I had her google it and just watched her expression change. >
  
  We will eventually get to the point where his inner circle will be very small, this is when Putin will likely go out the window >
  
  Russia is demilitarizing itself by losing equipment, ammunition, and personnel it can’t easily replace. >
  
  And the personnel that it can easily replace this time won't be as easily replaced next time when its colonial satellites see windows for power moves or China starts taking bites out of Siberia. Once you've burned through this generation's most readily available mobiks you're going to have to start telling more important people a degree or two closer to the keys of power that their precious children and grandchildren have to answer the call. >
  
  Fuck you Lavrov. That's pretty ballsy coming from a representative of a country that guaranteed Ukraine's security in return for them giving up their nukes. Additionally, Russian war crimes have been broadcast on the internet for a year now. >
  
  He's just doing what he's told so he doesn't "accidentally fall out of a window". >
  
  Would be very funny if he actually really did fall out of a window after saying all this BS. >
  
  Lmao imagine if Ukraine started imitating the FSB's modus operandi while Russia impotently tried to convince everyone that "No, it's really them doing it this time! I swear!" >
  
  Imagine the frantic calls between FSB agents trying to figure out who ordered it >
  
  I feel this is like the scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail where the Black Knight, armless and legless, is screaming about all the terrible things he's going to do to King Arthur. >
  
  'tis but a scratch >
  
  Dude looks like a sagging testicle. >
  
  I like to say he has a face like a slapped ballsack. >
  
  Lmao a slapped ballsack... Gonna have to remember that one. >
  
  Russia was so used to being a bully and larping as a military superpower, that they don’t realize nobody’s listening to their BS anymore lol >
  
  I agree, ruzzia should demilitarize >
  
  Russia is doing a pretty good job of demilitarizing themselves with all of the tanks, artillery, and infantry that they’re losing. They’re so close to being out of ammunition that they’re buying some from N Korea. The Ukrainians military has estimated that the Russians are down to one final wave of massed rockets to fire at civilian targets and they can’t replace them because the sanctions have stopped any technology from being imported by Russia. >
  
  They're down to two or three waves according to Ukrainian intelligence. The latest raid on Engels might've also put another nail in Russia's bombing campaign if the rumors of several bombers being seriously damaged are true. Supposedly they were planning a raid on Christmas, but were instead forced to evacuate their planes to Siberia. If the terror bombing fails then Russia is pretty much out of options. >
  
  Makes you wonder if they have a number of strategic bombers either damaged or behind on maintenance their ability to maintain nuclear readiness. Strategic bombers capable of launching cruise missiles are not cheap and no country has that many of them, most kept around from the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
  US is going to spend like 100b getting a new fleet of them. >
  
  That's another reason why the bombing campaign isn't sustainable in the long run. Russia has a finite amount of aging Cold War bombers. Air frame stress has surely put more than a few down for maintenance at this point. >
  
  That's presuming Russia doesn't just fly them into the ground (literally and metaphorically). >
  
  Lavrov is the Baghdad Bob of this decade, except he's not as entertaining. >
  
  You heard him, Russia is going to demilitarize.  No back-sises. >
  
  Oh yeah you and what army? >
  
  The Belorussian army, that’s what! >
  
  If you think the separatist soldiers are pathetic, wait till you see the Belarusian ones haha >
  
  My bet is Belarussians would simply refuse to invade Ukraine. I've heard both countries described as "sister countries" and Lukachenko isn't exactly popular. >
  
  100%. After the citizens have seen what Lukashenko has done, they know better than to trust putin. >
  
  Ooof the stupid spewed from this guy.  
  Ps he has one of the most punchable faces... >
  
  Yeah, he's (nearly) in the same league as McConnell in that regard... >
  
  I had never seen him before, so I just looked him up. He has an uncanny resemblance of McConnell. Like the Russian version of him in terms of appearance. >
  
  I think it would be awesome for Russia to Demilitarize.  Great idea, Lavrov.  Think of all the money that will save in their budgets. >
  
  When Putin plays poker, he bluffs every single hand. >
  
  He keeps bluffing and going all in even after the cards are down and everyone sees that his full house is just a pair of threes, an IOU from the nearest whorehouse and a few pieces of paper that have "I win" written in shaky crayon >
  
  Looks like Russia is bound and determined to see the break up of the Russian Federation and a demilitarization more so than a demilitarization of Ukraine. >
  
  Lavrov, do your spit or swallow Putin's juices? >
  
  Probably gargles. >
  
  The more this nazi fucker spews out his poison, the less chances of ending this war alive he has. >
  
  We’re gonna see Russia go full “do you want total war?!” >
  
  Russia will demilitarize? >
  
  They ARE demilitarising. Quite fast too >
  
  They are being demilitarised. >
  
  Russia will do it... With their mercenaries they can't even keep properly equipped. Lmao >
  
  He is mostly right. If Ukraine isnt demilitarized, russia will be >
  
  On Day 300 of the 3-day war. Any who. >
  
  Ukraine didn’t attack anyone.
  Russia is the nation they needs to have its military sanctioned into non-existence.
  NATO can defend it. >
  
  I think that should be a demand of Zelensky’s - Russia must demilitarize or Ukraine will do it. 🫡 >
  
  Who was that crazy ass fucker from Iraq, Lavrov is starting to sound like him. >
  
  You and what army? >
  
  Soooooooooo Lavrov threatens to do the very thing that Russia has spent several months embarrassingly demonstrating their inability to do.
  Yea, that's a guy you just have to take seriously. >
  
  Eat a dick Lavrov >
  
  What a great idea. Russia should demilitarize. >
  
  Putin the man who saved NATO
  After his Donnie trump tried to destroy it
  Still at least Putin still has tucker Carlson doing a great impression of lord haw haw >
  
  He just wants the Ukranians to put down their weapons and to line up quietly so they can be shot. The Ukranians should not be upset with Russia's peaceful attempt to civilise them. >
  
  The crusty old baseball glove is talking again >
  
  I'm not demilitarizing, you're demilitarizing >
  
  They are trying and failing miserably to demilitarize. In what world do you think Ukraine would give up the only thing preventing them from destruction? Not only did they give up nukes only to be invaded. But now you expect them to give up their military. What? We’ve heard some laughable statements but this takes the cake. >
  
  Mr. Lavrov push yourself out a 10 story window >
  
  Lavrov just doing his best to maintain his balance near windows and stairs. >
  
  “They may stop senseless resistance at any moment.”
  Oh, sure. Resistance to an invasion is senseless, but that invasion is not./s
  Does Putin, and by extension Lavrov, really think the rest of the world is stupid enough to believe his BS? >
  
  Think y'all are reading his statement wrong. Either Ukraine or Russia will demilitarize. And so far Ukraine has been receiving a lot of Russian equipment, so I think his statement is true. >
  
  The way things are going, Russia will demilitarise themselves >
  
  “The strategic goal of the U.S. and its NATO allies is to win a victory over Russia on the battlefield to significantly weaken or even destroy our country,” he said.
  This strategy is working. >
  
  Russia must be demilitarised >
  
  Lavatory: Gurrrgle sploosh >
  
  With what army, Pooty Toots? >
  
  Sergei,
  If you want them to demilitarize,  stop giving them all that military equipment! >
  
  Everyone else: Russia must demilitarize or everyone will do it >
  
  Go home Lavrov, you're drunk: Ukraine has been demilitarizing Russia for the past 300 days >
  
  How is Ukraine supposed to demilitarize if Russia keeps leaving its tanks over there for farmers to collect? >
  
  When Xerxes wrote again, 'Hand over your arms,' he wrote in reply, 'Come and take them.' >
  
  Russia has unintentionally turned Ukraine’s military into the fifth most powerful in Europe. Now they’re realizing their “number one” military is having real trouble dealing with a small neighbor (small only by Russian standards; Ukraine is second only to Russia in terms of size in Europe) and try to force their surrender with terrorism and lame claims of “we have not yet begun to fight”.
  And they still have the gall to continue laying claim to “their new lands”.
  It’s funny how Russians will claim that Russia has no history of imperialism unlike other European countries. Apparently they simply don’t call what they’re doing (or have done) “imperialism” >
  
  
  Ukraine must demilitarize or Russia will do it
  
  Ummm, okay. I don't think anyone will complain about russia demilitarizing themselves.  Weird, but fine by me. >
  
  Well Russia seems to be demilitarizing themselves pretty well. >
  
  It seems like Russia is in the process of demilitarizing themselves lol >
  
  The threat doesn’t carry as much weight if you’re already trying and failing to do it. >
  
  Russia is barking because they are hurting. >
  
  Ukraine already demilitarized....this is Russia invading a demilitarized Ukraine, after promising not to do so following negotiated demilitarization. >
  
  Another Russian lunatic >
  
  Yes, to demiliratize is the solution. To create a demilitatized zone along the border between Ukraine and Russia, in Russia, with the 1991 borders. The width of ut can be discussed. Something like a minimum of the range of the longest range of any missiles in Russias arsenal. So Russia has ICBMs? Demilitarize the whole country then. Or scrap the long range stuff and keep a defense. Realistic? Maybe not. But one can dream... >
  
  I believe in Ukraine and its people. 
  They will prevail and Russia will crumble into dust. >
  
  All they're trying to do is keep up the Domestic Narrative in the face of the international Community. They don't care if it looks bad to us, just as long as these statements play for their home team. It's a sad state of deteriorating affairs. >
  
  I mean they can’t be this self unaware and deaf toned.  This is a textbook definition of thick skulled. >
  
  I am sure everybody would be happier if Russia would demilitarise, so yes please. >
  
  Oh yeah? You and what army? >
  
  Russia needs to lose this war completely before peace talks make sense. >
  
  I know I shouldn't wish ill on people, but if Lavrov fell out of a window I wouldn't cry over it. >
  
  “Or Russia will do it”… demilitarize itself? >
  
  Shut the fuck up Lavrov. >
  
  So are they saying that if Ukraine does not demilitarize Russia will demilitarize? >
  
  In the meantime, Russia is the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine. >
  
  How can Ukraine demilitarize when Russia keeps leaving them tanks and munitions? :P >
  
  So Russia will go to war with Ukraine if Ukraine does not stop winning the war >
  
  At the rate the war is going, Ukraine looks more likely to demilitarize Russia when it inevitably depletes both its weapon supply and manpower >
  
  Jeez! Just fall out of a window already, you sick fuck! >
  
  "Stop defending yourself!" >
  
  What does he think Ukraine is doing? It's slowly demilitarizing the weapons into Russian soldiers. But there are so many of these bastards that they are having to buy more to keep up the demilitization. >
  
  Ukraine is doing a pretty good job demilitarizing Russia. A lot less military in Russia then the start of the war that's for sure. >
  
  Reminder, Trump gave away Israeli sources and methods secrets to Lavrov. That traitor also tried to do what Russia wants here. It's not surprising for a Russian foreign Minister, it is surprising that an American president was so beholdened to Putin's wishes >
  
  I vote Russia to demilitarize >
  
  I don't think Russia could demilitarize the State of Texas. >
  
  Ukraine’s done a fine job demilitarizing Russia instead lol >
  
  Nuts! >
  
  The rest of the world: Ukraine must demilitarize Russia, or Russia will do it. >
  
  Sounds like it should be the other way around. >
  
  Yeah because Russia is in a position to dictate such. >
  
  More and more Russia appears scared of what's to come and their threats scream desperation >
  
  "Make me"
  -Ukraine (probably) >
  
  Lavrov Russia needs to demilitarize or the world will do it for you >
  
  
  Sergey Lavrov said Ukraine must remove any military threat to Russia — otherwise “the Russian army (will) solve the issue.”
  
  
  "You and what army?"
  "The Russian army couldn't even solve a crossword puzzle!"
  
  Slava Ukraini! >
  
  Them and whose army? >
  
  We know. We've seen them attempt it for 10+ months now.
  Doesn't seem like it has progressed much though. >
  
  So pathetic … they tried that already nobody fears Russia’s threats anymore. >
  
  1994 - Hand over your nukes and we promise we won't invade you ever.....
  2022 - ok now hand over everything else and we will think about ceasing our invasion.......
  Should have just kept the nukes. >
  
  Ukraine has been demilitarizing Russia just fine, but yeah Russia are welcome to do it themselves at home instead. >
  
  This waste of oxygen Lavrov cunt still thinking that Russia is in a position to make any demands.
  Options are fuck off or cry and fuck off. >
  
  Entire World (minus North Korea and Iran): Russia must demilitarize or we will do it. >
  
  Haha fuck Russia, no one cares what they want. >
  
  Yes they will demilitarize so you can invade them again without resistance. Ok. Must be a joke. >
  
  If you want to demilitarize them. Stop giving them tanks >
  
  Fuck you. I can’t wait till you surrender. Take back Crimea!! >
  
  Yeah fuck that.
  Ukraine demilitarized is just a Russian target for annexation. >
  
  Lmao, how do these clowns say the stuff with a straight face? >
  
  Maybe Russia should stop giving them tanks & such. >
  
  Wait a minute, didn't Putin just say he wanted a quick end to this?   And before that he wanted a peacful resolution to this?   One day he wants to nuke us, the next he wants a quick end, now he wants things demilitarized or else -  I am starting to think Putin is not being straight with us. >
  
  
  Sergey Lavrov said Ukraine must remove any military threat to Russia — otherwise “the Russian army (will) solve the issue.” 
  
  
  
  Ukraine did demilitarize by giving up its nukes years ago. If Ukraine had kept its nukes, this invasion might not have happened.
  
  
  The Russian army is already in Ukraine. A threat is not very effective when it is already carried out.
  
  
  So no, I think Ukraine's done taking bad advice from Lavrov. >
  
  Russia did a stellar job at making sure no country will ever give up its nukes again. >
  
  Word of advice, pal; maybe make these threats BEFORE unsucessfully invading a country and getting your asses handed to you. >
  
  "Let us win or we will keep losing!" >
  
  Here's hoping ukraine rips russia apart, those sadistic fucks can f off