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  Yea, there are already more Americans who live in Mexico City than the State of Vermont.  If you are not born into money and connections in the US, your prospects are grim.  It's called the invisible fists of free market capitalism, systematically beating you down
context: For people thinking, "Fuck this, I'll just move abroad," it's not as easy as it sounds.  Most countries where you'd actually want to live make it pretty hard to get legal residency there, let alone citizenship.  
  That said, I've actually gone through the process of getting citizenship in an EU country, which gives me the right to live and work both in that country and anywhere else in the EU.  In particular, if you have an ancestor from Hungary, Italy, Ireland or Poland, then you might have the right to reclaim your ancestor's citizenship from that country.  Most of those countries have a cutoff date that your ancestor had to immigrate after; Hungary has no such limit and you can trace your ancestry back as far as is needed to prove you have a Hungarian ancestor.
  Other possibilities: digital nomad visa.  Several european countries now offer these, including Hungary, Estonia, Spain, Czechia, Greece and Finland.  This visa will entitle you to live and remotely work only in that country; it does not confer EU citizenship or give you the right to live/work in other EU countries.
  For shorter term move outs, NZ and Australia both allow US citizens who are under a certain age (I believe up to age 35 in NZ and up to age 30 in AUS) to live and work in the country for 6 months to 2 years, depending on the work program you get and the renewals you undertake.  Some people use this as a stepping stone to get into the country and then either get into an education program or a longer-term working situation that could actually lead to permanent residency. >
  
  This is great info, but it’s also important to add that there are so many things to carefully research for each country as well. I’ve been downvoted before for mentioning this, but Ireland is in the midst of an extreme housing crisis. Housing for the Irish is already insanely difficult to get. So, to help people planning such a huge and expensive move: make local connections, investigate or hire a solicitor to help you with laws/regulations that differ abroad, and know that it is not as easy as getting a job contract and moving - that it could be months to years before you get a proper accommodation sorted. While anecdotal, my neighbours moved over last year (wife is a doctor, husband is an engineer), and conversations we’ve had with them revealed that, while they were offered a great opportunity via the wife’s job, husband hasn’t had a lot of success finding work and finding a house took them over 10 months! They have two children on top of it all, and I can’t imagine how difficult it was living out of hotels and relying on friendships with others to have places to live, even if it was temporary. To add, they only got the lease on the house next door to us because the prior tenants (both nurses) were their friends and gave them the lease to take over. The previous neighbours went back home when their contracts were up. You can Google and read more about it, but it is a serious issue that anyone should prepare and plan for. That said: Ireland is a wonderful country and there’s a lot of positive things, too! >
  
  I can’t believe you’ve been downvoted for this. The housing crisis in Ireland is insane and should be highlighted because it’s only a matter of time before other nations are in the same position >
  
  We have a less than 1% vacancy rate in my province, some parts of us are already there. >
  
  And the fucking nimbys/developers insist on only adding single family dwellings in car dependent suburban hell that no one can afford, or expensive condos that do nothing to relieve the housing stress.
  Older apartment buildings being gentrified into more useless condos that don't even sell in 2 years.
  Housing market popping and foreclosures? Don't worry there is a corpo ready to buy them all up at a premium to turn into airbnb/investments/expensive fucking rentals.
  Affordable housing hasn't been a priority in my lifetime. I couldn't even move to provincial housing (theprojects) if I wanted, cause there is a waiting list years long >
  
  Airbnb is going to collapse. Everyone I know who used it all the time 5 years ago refuses to now. >
  
  It's not worth it anymore. It used to be a cheap place to stay, but now they are such a hassle with the massive list of chores that you're left with after your stay. And not even cheaper than a hotel. >
  
  Boutique hotels will be the replacement.  We started using them and love the vibe.
  Perfect example is Hotel Haya in Ybor City (Tampa, FL) >
  
  You should check out the honeypot in ybor if you like clubs, its a ton of fun! I used to go with some of my gay friends because i was a bouncer before in ohio at a nightclub and it made them feel safe. Its a lovely joint, nice patrons, wonderful staff, i couldnt reccomend it more! >
  
  As an American that has lived overseas on and off for over 10 years, starting in the 1980s, here’s a bit of reality, the rest of the world probably doesn’t want you.  
  I don’t mean that to sound as harsh as some might take it (that always happens when you give dream crushing info) but the cold hard truth is that most of the places Americans want to go (developed countries with free healthcare and a high standard of living), aren’t really all that interested in taking in immigrants.  
  I’m also a part of several expat groups and I almost laugh when I see the daily post, “I’ve decided to leave America.”
  Here’s the typical post:
  
  I’m tired of the US and want to move to another country 
  I have no degree and no in-demand job skills 
  I’m currently working in an entry-level job 
  I have done zero research and am unaware of what a work permit is 
  I only speak English so I’m only interested in countries that speak English.  
  
  The more unrealistic ones also include:
  
  I’m a single parent and have two kids and need top notch education 
  I have about 15 chronic medical issues so free healthcare is very important.  
  And it would nice if they had a generous unemployment program in case I’m unable to work due to my medical conditions 
  
  Again, I want to be clear, I’m not making fun of wanting to move overseas.  It’s the disconnect from reality in terms of why another country would want to take them in.  
  Countries are primarily only interested in people if:
  
  You have money - you won’t need employment, you have enough wealth saved up to take care of yourself.  This is for the affluent or retirees.  
  You have a job skill that is difficult to find in that country or in highly specialized fields.  
  You already have a job lined up and an employer willing to sponsor you
  
  Outside of that, chances are that other countries have little interest in whether or not you want to live there.  
  The vast majority of expats that I’ve met over the years either fall into one of the above categories or, they started their own or bought a business, or they networked their way into a job.  
  Really, if you’re highly desirable for another country, you’re probably highly desirable in the US and have a good job making good money.  
  So the people most likely to be unsatisfied in the US are the people least likely to be able to find a country willing to allow them to move there. >
  
  Absolutely…and for those who want to move abroad because the U.S. is racist or something similar…you will be hard pressed to find the utopia you are searching for. After living and traveling extensively in both Europe and Latin America many countries in both places are equally as bad as the U.S. . The populations are more homogeneous so discrimination is widely accepted and generally not discussed publicly. >
  
  Most of the rest of the world does not have much pretense about not being racist. >
  
  After my trip to South Africa I realized how much hyperbole is in the statement “America is the most racist country in the world”. We have problems yes but holy shit are we definitely not the worst. >
  
  The US is one of the least racist ones. Anyone who says otherwise has probably never been to another country. >
  
  
  The US is one of the least racist ones. Anyone who says otherwise has probably never been to another country.
  
  This right here. >
  
  Moved to Germany 5 years ago as a "normal" working person (no degree or super specific career skills). I live comfortably working a hospitality job, ride my bike or take public transit instead of owning a car, my kid has had full time child care since he was one year old for about 125 euros per month, I get 6 weeks paid vacation each year and have unlimited sick days as long as I get a doctor's note. My health insurance is basically free and I've never seen a bill for any medical care. I took a paid year of after my son was born and I get 250 euros per month deposited into my bank account just got having a kid... Would never go back to the US, it has nothing to do with politics necessarily - it's just that the lifestyle is so much more pleasant. >
  
  How were you accepted into Germany as a “normal” working person? Did you marry? >
  
  I'm really lucky - my mom is German but she moved to the US as a kid and didn't swap out her German citizenship for an American one until just after I was born... >
  
  See that's the problem, you can't just move to another country across the globe with no skills unless you've been saving money up for years or know someone that'll take you in.
  I'm happy for you man, jealous even, so don't hear that as a shot at you. I just hate that it's incredibly improbable to just move to another country cause you feel like it, like man I want options like that. >
  
  OP’s post is so misleading. Of course a German citizen born in the US can move to Germany without any desirable skills: it’s their birthright. But to anyone without citizenship it’s incredibly difficult. >
  
  Without wealth or an advanced degree, nobody wants Americans. If you have wealth or an advanced degree, you probably don't want to leave. >
  
  I’m disabled, there’s no country in the world that would let me immigrate. >
  
  If I had a country, I would let you come. >
  
  thank you. >
  
  Not you tho >
  
  I hear this more and more, and not just from Gen Zers. The US is a country of declining longevity and increasing wealth inequality. The only industrialized country without national health care and that makes war on it's public schools. It makes sense they don't see a future here. >
  
  US Millennial here, when Trump was elected I signed up with New Zealand immigration to try and gtfo. Never got anywhere, despite my masters degree. >
  
  No response whatsoever? What is the masters in? I was looking into NZ citizenship at one point and understand that some degrees hold more weight than others. >
  
  Easiest way into NZ/Australia is do a 1yr work holiday then bust your ass for a company and get sponsored. It's possible and I've known heaps of Canadians and yanks who have gone that road. >
  
  A while back, the Australian Navy was taking US sailors if you had the right skill set, but you had to also expat/become a full Australian citizen. >
  
  Australia is getting nuclear subs. So I guess that could be an option if running one is vastly different than being on a diesel. >
  
  Wasn't a submariner, can't speak for that community.
  I'd imagine it is vastly different, though.  I did watch that Smarter Every Day deep dive where Destin (comment below is right) went to visit a US Navy nuclear sub in the arctic.  There was a lot he wasn't allowed to film at all, and I remember him saying he had to turn his camera & all electronics he brought, over to the Navy for a while before he could get it back & post stuff. >
  
  *Destin. That was a really cool series. The coast guard series has been good too >
  
  Oh and you’re right on his name
  Sailors bag on Coasties but those guys are actually insane at maritime interdiction (like countering cartel/drug runners etc) >
  
  The Navy may rag on the coasties, but as a civilian sailor I like knowing there’s a coastguard station not too far away. Obviously we complain about their rules but at the end of the day, I love hearing their half of their radio conversations. >
  
  I already relocated. It's a mixed bag but I'd do it again. >
  
  The mega millionaires and billionaires have stripped resources from people as much as possible to.... horde/hoard. 
  And politicians who benefit from this BS just shrug. 
  No mystery why people are trying to escape, esp anyone who has to actually work for a living.
  edit* If you want to play semantics I can see how both work. >
  
  Exactly. The billionaires are stripping the country down to bare metal and leaving it for religious fundamentalists and they're almost done. >
  
  I think people honestly underestimate how dangerous religious fundamentalists are in America. It's not just that they want to force their religion on others, it's that they actually believe they're going to somehow inaugurate the second coming of Christ. They don't just want to convert everyone to Christianity, they want the world to end. >
  
  The reality is that religion is on the decline in the U.S., including religious fundamentalism. Which can be tied to their deep involvement in politics, since some of the faithful are turned off by the idea that there religion is mostly about politics, particularly younger folks. >
  
  Yeah, but it makes the remaining fundamentalists fight like cornered animals >
  
  They’re only kept around because they’re useful idiots for the bourgeoisie >
  
  both of these statements are correct. the fighting like cornered animals part is particularly useful to the kind of people who like emotionally manipulating others to do their bidding.
  people get stupid when you scare them, and if you watch about a minute of any media they consume you'll see that it's mostly scaremongering. >
  
  I'm 33 with kids and I own a small business here in the US.
  I don't see a stable future, but I also have no way to relocate overseas. If I didn't have kids, we'd probably look for a way.
  But we're stuck here for a while. >
  
  Well, that's the thing.  You can't just leave.  People think America's permissive immigration policy is the norm worldwide but it's not.  There's really nowhere that will take you unless your situation is pretty unique. >
  
  Yup yup. Have a friend that was dating a Norwegian long distance for like six years, visiting each other a few months at a time before getting married. They've been married for three years now, both in America and Norway but she can't legally move there; keeps having to spend money to file the paperwork, wait months just to be told to go home and try again. >
  
  Yeah, it's the same in Canada.
  Americans that think they can just up and leave to another country are in for a world of hurt. >
  
  The thing is, you don’t make enough to leave it. >
  
  The title is pretty misleading though. The parts talking about trends (as in the change in behavior of many students) is that they’re taking which state they go to college really seriously suddenly and avoiding the south even when they get great scholarship offers
  The part about leaving the country is just something one or two of the people being interviewed mentioned considering >
  
  Unfortunately people wanting to leave the USA are going to learn first hand how hard it is to relocate .... those Venezualan migrants/refugees don't do it for the lols >
  
  Pretty sure every millennial has toyed with the idea of wanting to leave the US and never come back. For the last decade it's been a pretty common consensus.
  I'm constantly asked why I'm here when my wife has swedish citizenship. >
  
  Why are you here? >
  
  Her family here, my family here, applying for PhD programs at great universities here, wife and I have chronic illnesses and have trusted doctors here, I don't speak swedish, I don't identify with swedish culture, my current job that gives me insurance with $500 deductible and basically everything else covered is here, and probably more reasons if I thought about it >
  
  So I've completed the Duolingo Swedish course, you could too in about a year at 15min/day.
  One of my coworkers taught engineering at Lund for a year and a half. He asked me why the hell i learned Swedish when he got by with a 10 word swedish vocabulary and fluent English. You literally do not HAVE to learn Swedish to function there. It's nice but not necessary. >
  
  I slightly disagree as another foreigner in Sweden, and I still write this knowing that everytime I do many people bring up their cases where they never needed it. 
  Yes, you don't need the language to get by, because the average level of English is pretty good. Conversational English.
  However, as soon as you stay a bit longer and run into more specific problems with your household (I had to have a lock exchanged, the people did not speak English well and it was impossible to setup an appointment), or healthcare (I have met many doctors and nurses who struggled to explain what they found in English, yes even doctors) or once you are having kids (putting them in preschool there are international ones but far more Swedish ones, the teachers there may also not be super happy explaining everything in English, depends on individual cases).
  And these experiences I made living in Göteborg, so not anywhere rural where I would expect it is worse.
  If you plan to stay only for 2-3 year and are single living in a rental apartment, sure, no Swedish needed. Anything beyond, you need at least basic knowledge. >
  
  I appreciate the perspective! I fully think one should learn the language especially if planning to stay, but that not knowing it is far less a barrier than it would be in other countries. >
  
  Hell, I'm an "elder millenial," and I thought about leaving the country when I was in college in the late 2000's. 
  Most of my life has been increasing wealth inequality/exorbitant handouts for the ultra rich, while ignoring social needs, and a frothing, unthinking militarism that funds global warfare and is no longer discussed in a serious or critical way.
  The only reason I've given up on the idea is that everyone that I care about is in the US, and it's too late for me to start a whole new life. And I love the culture of the US, even though our politics is a total mess.
  There is no percentage of Gen-Z that want to leave the country high enough to surprise me. >
  
  Hey fellow elder millennial. It’s definitely not too late for you to start a whole new life! Sounds like you have other reasons to stay and that’s fine, but if you poke around expat communities you’ll find people much older than us making the leap. I moved a little over 3 years ago and while most people I care about are still in the US, I’m beyond glad that I left. >
  
  I knew something was up when I saw ads on YouTube targeting young Americans to convince them to go to Germany for university. The ads used the availability of affordable health care and SAFETY from GUN violence as the major selling points of going to Germany for college and a transparent immigration process if the student wants to remain in Germany after graduation. >
  
  I mean YouTube also uses targeted advertising, so they're probably targeting you lol >
  
  That’s exactly what’s happening. Some guy subbed to every gun porn channel certainly isn’t getting those ads. >
  
  I don't blame them but this is what the fascists want. They want educated young people to leave so they can solidify generational power and shape things in their image. >
  
  Same tactic as passing super right wing stuff at the state level in purple states.  Leftist will say "fuck this, I'm moving to (blue state."  That's what they want you to do. >
  
  And they all move to the same blue areas of those states, not even making a difference in the US reps or state legislatures >
  
  Unfortunately, that’s usually where the jobs are >
  
  Perhaps, to adapt an Adam Serwer quote, the brain drain is the point. How else are Republicans going to stay competitive when they can't appeal outside of people in the AM radio/Fox News/Facebook/Twitter bubble? >
  
  That's the main reason Republicans are strengthening their grip on red states. The children of the Boomers are all getting educated, finding no economic opportunities, and then move permanently to the blue states where they can find jobs. >
  
  I have been living in the « hipster » part of Paris for the better part of the last decade. The sudden influx of educated 25-35 years old young Americans in the last 3-4 years has been astonishing. Especially women I would say for 80% of the people. The Roe v Wade and the political tension since Trump election isn’t something I thought about as an explanation until now.
  There have been openings of new American coffee shops, bakeries, bookstores, clothing, etc popping at a crazy rate. It’s been quite interesting and they seem to blend in with local culture and people very well. I get to enjoy excellent drip coffee and good pumpkin pie for this, I can only say you’re welcome to immigrate here :) >
  
  It's not just Gen Z. I'm 58, and hubby is 5 years younger, and we are so cheesed off with the US that we've done serious research into moving. Hubby is a skilled IT guy, so that may help. My Gen X friend is moving her whole family to the EU as well, as her kids are scared of growing up here. 
  I'm so very sorry that my generation has failed you. I still fight the fight and vote progressive, not sure what else I can do. >
  
  My daughter is a senior in high school. She is looking at colleges and will not even consider going to school in a state that does not protect women’s reproductive rights. >
  
  It feels like we're constantly one bad election away from reproductive rights being taken away nationwide. It's exhausting being told every two years that this election is the most important ever. I know it's true, and I know I need to vote, but I am constantly fearful that too many other people will stay home out of apathy. >
  
  We need good people up here in Alberta, Canada to dilute the mass of conservative imbeciles. Bring jackets, it's damn cold. >
  
  Yeah but then they'd have to live in Alberta, and nobody deserves that >
  
  Well, I don't wanna brag but Calgary is the best city to live in the North America, comparable to Nordic cities in terms of affordability and quality of life.
  Also, public health care and no school shootings. 🤗 >
  
  I think I'd recommend Calgary over Vancouver just because of the COL. Vancouver life is hard. >
  
  I can see this being the GOPer dipshit strategy moving forward regarding how to handle their lack of Gen-Z enthusiasm.  Make this country so fucking shitty to live in as a young person that they all move somewhere else which delays the for-sure erosion of the GOP voting base. >
  
  That's the GOP dream, to drive all the "liberals" out of this country. >
  
  Pretty sure Liberals would also love to see all of the Repubs gone as well >
  
  I don’t really care if republicans stay in America, I just want them to stop trying to take my rights away… >
  
  The comment from the right to stories about people who want to leave America is always some variation of “don’t let the door hit you.” They think it’s just an empty threat that people don’t follow through on. The part they are missing is that the only reason people aren’t follow through is because they literally can’t. 
  They don’t realize that unless you have ancestry, are already extremely wealthy or highly skilled in something like medicine/science/tech, you aren’t going to be able to emigrate to any country you’d actually want to live in, >
  
  They're not considering it an "empty threat", they're considering it a delightful thought, in their opinion, that it'll be one less voter that they need to contend with. And let's be honest, they're not wrong. Which is what is so frustrating about almost literally every comment on this post. >
  
  To be fair, expats can still vote. >
  
  It's not just gen z >
  
  Only 27% of registered voters 18-29 showed up to vote in the mid terms.
  Boomers don’t miss elections. They vote at close to 70% for their demographic. 
  Help fix your country. Running away after not doing a damn thing isn’t going to work. 
  Vote the assholes out. If climate change doesn’t find you, US policy in a country that will take you probably will. >
  
  People vaguely want to escape. It’s a restlessness of American culture that’s endemic. I wouldn’t really read into it that much >
  
  I don’t think it was endemic 20 years ago. Definitely not 50 years ago >
  
  Yeah, currently waiting to see if the boomers are going to pull the Social Security/Medicare ladder up behind them before I get there, amongst other things. >
  
  Usa used to be an attractive place to move to for work and to live when i was younger. Dont hear anyone wanting to move there nowadays… >
  
  My son is gen Z. He doesn't want to leave the country, he says he'll just never settle in or visit a state that votes primarily Republican. He's in nursing school, and will be able to go anywhere in the country he wants when he's done. He's not alone in that feeling among his classmates.
  Over time, how is it going to go for red states when young and educated either leave their states or won't consider employment there in the future? >
  
  This is not new at all.  I remember hearing this all the time in the 90s to now by each subsequent generation.  I made a list of the people who I personally know that lived at least a year abroad.  I stopped at 30.  Here's the thing, out of that 30 people, 2 are still abroad.  One is in Asia, the other in Europe.  Both married (separate people) in the US and moved abroad.  Both after visa issues with their spouses.  One really likes her life, the other not as much.    
  The people who returned after 1-5 years always said they were homesick.  I think people don't realize just what home is and means.  You may hate A, B, C, and D, and hate those passionately, but there's things you love as well.  You may not be as consciously aware of it, but you do.  
  However, if you (Gen Z or whatever age) want to move out of the country, do so.   It will be an incredible experience however it turns out. >
  
  This is true for me. I got a job in Canada straight after graduating. Applying for permanent resident was an option with my career and expertise. I decided to move back to the US after my visa ran out, even with the anxiety from the political situation. 
  I never felt so American until I lived outside the country. I loved my time in Canada, more than I expected. But Canada isnt perfect and they had their own issues and problems, a different set, though. But most importantly, my family, closest friends, and 'home' is in the US. It sucked to only be able to see family and lifelong friends once or twice a year and with long travel time. I made lots of international friends, but only a few Canadian friends. They had their own lives and befriending internationals was often temporary. I was incredibly busy socializing but I still felt really alone and homesick most of the time. 
  I fantasize about leaving the US again ocassionally but there are other parts of leaving that people don't consider even if you have the means. 'Home' is a bigger thing than I think people realize. >
  
  I don’t disagree, but I’m stuck here. We have a government who can’t actively work to make our lives better, one party trying to fuck everyone over, rich businesses wreaking havoc on inflation and cost of living, a SCOTUS actively removing our rights and working for a very small minority, and a Justice system that has different laws depending on who you are.
  We’re basically fucked without major changes, which will likely only come through violence. >
  
  If moving from America to another country only cost the plane ticket and $500 there would be a WHOLE LOT of people escaping. Cost and opportunity are literally the only thing keeping a pretty good percentage of the population here >
  
  I think many would say it but few would actually do it. 
  I mean most people don't ever leave the cities where they grew up.
  When most people will complain about paying $1500-2000 a month in rent but then scoff at the notion of buying a $50,000 house in Wyoming. I doubt too many would move to another country.  
  I see the same thing here where I live as people will pay $400k for a house that you can get for $200k 30-45 minutes away. But then complain about how much everything costs. >
  
  This is going to sound worse than I mean it but the rest of the world doesn’t really take western immigrants too easily.  It’s incredibly hard to pick up and move to another country unless you marry a national (and even then it is difficult) or have a job bringing you over.  And even then there is no guarantee you can stay.  
  Also do these kids think you can just show up in some random country, not speak the language and have no needed skill that you can get a work visa for?   
  I’m  married to a British citizen and should we decide to move there the process for me to go along is insanely taxing and strenuous.  I imagine it’s impossible for a person who just wants to live there. >
  
  People missing the point, when the brain drain starts its over for the country.   Sure you'll win politically but you lose at life.
  Of my group of millennial friends, 90% would be wanted by another country.  And could easily move.  Houses cost 850$k for 1bdr shit holes.  We cant afford it. 
  Reddit seems to forget that millenials all have college degrees:  engineering, doctors, nursing. Electrical engineering power lines, IT, etc. And work experience from 2-3 employers.    
  We are the people other countries want.  The skilled, college educated, and working class.  Our generation is all three.   All we want is human rights(abortion for ex), healthcare, housing and beach access. >
  
  I feel like this is the opposite of what we need to do. If you care about liberal politics, the best course of action to fix the country would be to flood red areas, and stop moving to overpopulated blue cities on the coast.
  Come to the Midwest. It’s awesome, and we have a legitimate chance to flip states blue! Also cost of living is way lower!! >
  
  And abandoning America to authoritarian xenophobes is probably not a good thing for the rest of the world in the long term either. >
  
  It's called brain drain and it's what lead to germany to embrace the far right. >
  
  Italy just re-elected some fascists, too. >
  
  sadly we will see this more and more in other countries in the next decades.
  When times get tough, it's time for right-wing populism.
  I fuckin hate it so much >
  
  And when times are good, the right wing populists increase suffering to make times bad so they can get more power. >
  
  I’m guessing what is more likely is that fewer people will apply to colleges in states where abortion is now illegal. It may also be harder for companies in those states to recruit young graduates. At best, they’ll be able to recruit remote workers because fewer people will be willing to relocate. >
  
  and the GOP is perplexed by their problem with GenZ 🥴 >
  
  "Gen Z doesnt like our insane ideas and wants actual change?  I dont get it!" >
  
  I have no clue what to do I have no money for college, or a good job. >
  
  Assuming you are in the US:
  Move to a state with free community college
  Get healthcare-related training (lots of 2 year degree options)
  Hire on to an agency, travel wherever for temp work 
  Pick a place from among your travels to settle >
  
  I would add: learn a second language, any language. Sounds like a clichè but it's another door that opens. Voice of experience here. >
  
  I live in tech in Texas. We're going all remote. Because recruiters can't get people to move here. The brain drain is actively killing the tech industry in Texas. >
  
  I have a friend who’s a republican (and now a nurse) and had been saying for years that she’ll move to Texas (from MA) as soon as she’s done with her training and a cousin who’s in tech who was interested in moving to Austin. After all the shit Tx has pulled over the past couple years, they’re both vehemently against ever going to Texas (friend is from MA, cousin is front CT). Honestly moving from New England to Texas would be a massive downgrade. I can understand why they quickly changed their minds. >
  
  Deregulated power grid is really inconvenient. >
  
  Very few people are going to leave the country over abortion.
  There will be many people who decide to go to college/live/work in a different state because of abortion though. Seems like everybody in the comments is ignoring this more important result. >
  
  If Ron DeSantis manages to become president I think I have to seriously figure out how to leave. >
  
  America has an irreversible corruption problem that the average person can’t fix. We see things slowly but surely getting progressively worse and the only thing we can think to do is leave, unfortunately. I hate saying that but that’s how it is. >
  
  Which countries that have an easy path to citizenship does not suffer from a similar problem? >
  
  The (justifiable) assumption is that within 12 years the GOP will have taken complete control and what's happening in the Red States now will be nationwide. 
  I don't blame them for wanting to leave. It's not just abortion, this country is headed for dark times. >
  
  Thanks Reagan. >
  
  More like Nixon. Reagan was a really really useful idiot. >
  
  Agreed here. People don't generally understand the real underhandedness of tricky dick. They don't know about Lee Atwater or Barry Goldwater or the southern strategy, they don't know about Nixon basically singlehandedly ending Bretton Woods. They don't know about Nixon Shock, or even anything about Spiro Agnew's embezzlement scheme. There is so damn much to hate about Nixon and instead people just think he tried to hide some unseemly tapes and got caught, or they say "but he made the EPA , don't you like the EPA?"
  I could go on and on about how much I hate Nixon, but also to your other point about Reagan - notice how there are few to no post - presidential interviews? No one cared about his ideas, just his position as a useful idiot. >
  
  Nixon was absolutely brilliant and evil. If Trump had had just a fraction of Nixon's competence, we would be so completely screwed right now. 
  Also, they also didn't make Reagan available for interviews post presidency because he had pretty advanced alzheimer's at that point. Which also further highlights what a figurehead he was during his presidency. >
  
  thats honestly why i fear Ron DeSantis being elected so much in 2024. believe me, im not fan of a lot of democrat policies, but people like DeSantis scare the shit out of me. >
  
  Don’t leave. It’s what they want. These new generations are so important. >
  
  You can't ask people to sacrifice their safety to satisfy a political agenda. I'm not leaving, but I'm sure as fuck doing everything I can so my trans son can lay low in another country if it comes to that. I know his chances elsewhere, but there are places that are better than "going to get strung up or worse." I might die here in a terrible place, but I'll do everything I can to make sure that kid is as safe as I can give him. >
  
  GenX woman--I'd flee the US tomorrow if I could. My husband and I are planning to retire outside the country simply due to expense & the overabundance of dumbass white supremacists. >
  
  Seriously though, where are the countries with lax immigration policies and unrestricted abortion access? Most of the US population has easier access to abortion than is available in most industrialized nations. >
  
  after being stationed in places like Ireland, Germany,  Japan even I want to leave this shithole oligarchy. >
  
  infrastructure built for people not cars, received tax funded medical care(like my veterans Healthcare) got to see how they treat their workforce and students as a investment not something to capitalize off like here. too much to list but it was a cold realization that we are all talk with little to back it up as a "super power". >
  
  If you do leave could you still send absentee ballots for elections from wherever you end up?
  I get it if you want to get of the boat but we could still use votes to at least attempt to create change over time.
  Absentee ballots are easier than it sounds and I suspect that people disgusted enough to leave are some of the votes that I would appreciate keeping the most.
  You'd need to fill out what's called a Federal Post Card Application 
  and you need to always remember what your legal last U.S. residence address that is your "Voting Address".   For citizens living abroad it should be that simple although you will need to fill out this form every year you intend to vote.
  Not all states allow you to participate in state elections this way but many do allow it and you should be able to participate in presidential elections regardless. >
  
  The US is unique in that it is one of the few countries which isn't a nation state.
  Apart from Canada, Australia, and the other anglosphere melting pots, there aren't a lot of choices if you don't have either money or high demand skills. >
  
  There are none outside the first world. Go to India or China and let’s see how manual labor goes >
  
  
  Kathleen Moore, the founder of Vox Cambridge College Consulting LLC, says one of her advisees, a soccer player, recently turned down an athletic scholarship to attend a competitive school in South Carolina, citing legislators’ attempts to pass more restrictive abortion laws in the state. 
  
  A competitive state would be one that is desirable to live in. If your school is in a state that has oppressive laws that make it undesirable to live in, no, your school is not "competitive". >
  
  I think they mean competitive in soccer. >
  
  I'm a Millennial and I am rethinking staying in the country. Been screwed over too many times. >
  
  I seriously wonder if the quality of life would be better in a different country. I haven’t been to the doctor in like 3 years. Dentist a handful of times. Not much in savings because rent is astronomical, and with rates rising a house is definitely not in the cards any time soon. >
  
  Saddest thing is conservatives probably enjoy that prospect. Their own children are fed up with the policies they push for and they're like "yeah, fuck off, kid!" >
  
  Literally nothing has improved for working class people in the last 30 years.  No pensions, $1trillion a year to "defense," no paid time off, medical debt, tuition and housing skyrocket, 3 "once in a lifetime" recessions, minority rule stripping Roe, insane income / wealth inequality, politicians can barely pass a budget without a government shutdown, zero beneficial working class legislation. 
  So much freedom though! >
  
  Exactly what I did. I'm currently in the hospital in another country. I'm paying 50 dollars a month and it covers everything for world class healthcare. 
  If I was back in the states i couldn't afford to go to the hospital. It's an absolute racket. >
  
  Go and vote every Republican out. Then, we can fix the problem. >
  
  I’m a Millenneal (~39yrs old) and I think about this all the time. This is not the country I remember 20yrs ago, and it’s only getting worse. >
  
  I’m from the USA, married a German woman, we have a son with dual citizenship. My wife is on a good career track, but if shit gets even more sideways here….we can fuck right off. My wife doesn’t want to leave her current career track, but if push comes to shove, we’ll work in at Primemark before our son is raised in this current nonsense. I’m lucky, I don’t know if others have that option. >
  
  I too have thought about this as I have watched the country face more and challenges over the years.
  Then I stop for a sec snd think - damn we are some entitled people thinking we can just up and immigrate ourselves into a foreign country. 
  The other thought I have is a twist on that old saying “The grass ISN’T always greener on the other side”.
  Then I come back to this: We should try to affect change for the better here, in our great nation as opposed to just turning tail and running away.
  Just my humble opinion! >
  
  While I was traveling through Europe I spoke to quite a few people who said they'd love to live in America and then proceeded to talk about the issues in their country. This country has issues and I think we notice them more than other places because we live here but there are things happening in every country. 
  I still have hope things will get better. I don't think running away will make things better and I don't think things have gotten bad to s point where migrating is needed. We do need to get off our ass and vote and be more involved locally.