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  That's great that you worked your ass off. But we aren't doing that any more. You said it yourself; you're still working for that company. Which is great job security and good enough for you. But apparently not them. And it's not going to be for a lot of people. Because we are sick and tired of companies not treating us like human beings. You think a 6% raise a year is adequate? You think a 5k deductible insurance plan only covering 50% of serious medical problems is worth it? Do you live under a rock?  
  I worked my butt off to get where I am as well; but did I really have to? No, I don't think I really did. But I have a timetable I want to keep because of how seriously fucked up things are in the world. Yeah we get to enjoy the best standards of living humans ever have; but I personally don't see this lasting like it is my entire life. So like I said I have a timetable to keep. But things are fucked up.   
  Wages have stagnated for way too long; decades. The US's largest companies have all taken to cheap foreign labor.  Quantative easing is only devaluing our dollar and until our government can actually manage it's budget we will never get out of this "20 trillion" dollars of debt. And to whom do we owe that? China? Is that why recycling has been forced down my throat since I was a child? Is that why we still use oil cars and ineffective electric cars?   
  You know what they say > Pull up your big boy pants and get to work. 
  Well quiet quitting is us getting to work. We know exactly how much we are valued and you cannot trick us any more to be "hard" workers. Might-a fooled the older traditional people that have no idea how the world works or has been working; but not us not anymore.
context: You haven't described what the job entails or what these employees are responsible for. In any case, not everyone is going to like every job and it's not possible to control that. I've disliked every job I've had, all different kinds of places, and it wasn't necessarily the employer's fault in every case. >
  
  Those two may suck, and there's many more that also suck, but there's plenty that don't suck.  Same as with your generation and mine.  You're comparing the two you've had a negative experience with to yourself who you view positively.  You're leaving out the losers your age that you happily left behind and forgetting that this generation has winners too. >
  
  OP may like 2nd shift but it is the worst and hardest shift to fill for any job if they have it. I work with people who do swing shift and 2nd is the most hated out of all of them. Especially if you have a family. >
  
  How much are you paying them? >
  
  25k plus benefits and pension if that counts >
  
  Why would someone work hard for you when you’re not even paying enough for them to live off of? >
  
  I dunno. While I'm all for living wages, I also can't judge what a living wage Is if I don't know Where they are. Alabama, Mississippi, many other places in the south cost of living is Low. It may be a suboptimal wage but it may not be a underpaid one >
  
  I live in a small, rural town in the south and $25K would still be a bad wage here. >
  
  If you work full time, should you need to have a side hustle? Don't get me wrong, if enjoy your eBay business, good for you and all that. I would like those hours too, but I can see that someone younger may prefer to have more of the evening to socialise. >
  
  This depends on the productivity of the economy. It isn't some evil businessman that is making you work. We all want things and it requires work to provide those things. >
  
  Older people thinking younger people have it easy and complain too much is like, universal. Also, you liking the hours doesn't mean everyone will. I used to work 10 pm - 7 am, and that was fine for me at that point in my life, but it's obviously not going to work for most people. >
  
  Those complaints are universal, and they date back thousands of years. Want to know why? Because every civilization is cyclical, and every civilization that has ever been has grown soft, decadent, and has eventually fallen. >
  
  I would like to know what your employee's think make the job too hard?
  Is it the actual work?
  The hours?
  Or is it that working isn't something they see themselves doing long term?
  I wonder what the employees think would make the job better. >
  
  They’re protecting themselves. I admire younger generations for that, in fact I think that makes them tougher. There’s significantly more work options now (given all the remote work that’s popped up). 
  That shift sucks and I saw you commented the salary is 25k. That’s horrible. I doubt you have control of that but don’t be bitter because someone younger now has the opportunity to do what you never could. >
  
  My guy, you’re too young to start yelling at clouds. Young people refusing to sacrifice their well-being at the altar of corporate profit is a natural and good thing, and their complaining might just save us all from the parts of capitalism that make us miserable one day.
  It’s long past time we realized that being in denial about how exhausted we are doesn’t make us tough. >
  
  This is just a complaint about two specific people in a specific situation, and a vague one at that. I wouldn't use that to generalize an entire age group (millions) of people. >
  
  Those two suck, the vast majority do not.  You shitting on them is no different than boomers shorting on the whole of your generation for years.  
  Do a better job of weeding those entitled few out in the hiring process >
  
  Either they actually can find something better, in which case they are being totally reasonable. Or they will have to give up on their standards at some point. There is nothing wrong with trying to find a job you can enjoy.
  There is a fine balance between settling for an imperfect job and searching for a perfect one. If you start your career at one company and never leave, you’ll never know how much better (or maybe worse) it could have been. When you are young you have the most freedom to explore and so I don’t think trying to find the best work you can makes you ‘soft’, I think it makes you pragmatic. >
  
  How much you paying them? >
  
  Objectively speaking, its not you.  Standards and expectations have been drifting to the "softer" side for quite some time; I think the pandemic was also a huge trigger.  
  I suppose the question is whether this change is good or bad.  Employers and employees seem to have different opinions on this.  
  My opinion doesn't really matter.  I am an employee, but I live outside of the US in poorer countries (latin america), and I see so many people take on body and soul destroying work of the absolute worst kind, just to put food on the table, and they are grateful for it :/ so I see it both ways I guess
  I do think that it's awesome of you for having improved the workplace.  I don't know you, but I think it's presumptive to say anything is your fault.  It's the job that is "hard and complicated" >
  
  It is 2nd shift, most people hate 2nd shift, that is a huge part of OP problem. >
  
  I have been working 2nd shift job for couple decades and I like it. However I have had a number of shift buddies pass thru since they get burned out. It was just too much for them. Couple were able to move to 1st and rest left for day shift jobs. And 3rd is worse, did it for a year and thought I would die. When I have to cover 3rd now kills me but at least I know it is just short term. 
  Everyone has different body clocks etc. Yeah not gonna blame it on age, people have to find what works for them. >
  
  I worked 2nd shift for my first job out of college and hated it. I don't like going to the bar or there was very little for me to do after work. My GF at the time would be in school so I could not spend time with her at all until the weekend. >
  
  Oh you are just so strong, and smart and a great worker. Well done OP. >
  
  Hard to have any opinions about this since you based yours on two people and then generalized it to apply to the whole generation. >
  
  Work ethic still counts for something.  Some people just like to work - others not so much. >
  
  Younger generations are more willing to defy unhealthy and impractical work environments. Especially following the pandemic where we got to experience life without work.
  At my work place, new staff are told what to do without being told how to do it. Possibly this is how my older colleagues learnt, and they believe new hires should just "deal with it", but from the youth perspective it's counterproductive.
  Also did you not disclose the work hours before hiring? Why would they accept a job with hours that disagree with them. >
  
  That's great that you worked your ass off. But we aren't doing that any more. You said it yourself; you're still working for that company. Which is great job security and good enough for you. But apparently not them. And it's not going to be for a lot of people. Because we are sick and tired of companies not treating us like human beings. You think a 6% raise a year is adequate? You think a 5k deductible insurance plan only covering 50% of serious medical problems is worth it? Do you live under a rock?  
  I worked my butt off to get where I am as well; but did I really have to? No, I don't think I really did. But I have a timetable I want to keep because of how seriously fucked up things are in the world. Yeah we get to enjoy the best standards of living humans ever have; but I personally don't see this lasting like it is my entire life. So like I said I have a timetable to keep. But things are fucked up.   
  Wages have stagnated for way too long; decades. The US's largest companies have all taken to cheap foreign labor.  Quantative easing is only devaluing our dollar and until our government can actually manage it's budget we will never get out of this "20 trillion" dollars of debt. And to whom do we owe that? China? Is that why recycling has been forced down my throat since I was a child? Is that why we still use oil cars and ineffective electric cars?   
  You know what they say > Pull up your big boy pants and get to work. 
  Well quiet quitting is us getting to work. We know exactly how much we are valued and you cannot trick us any more to be "hard" workers. Might-a fooled the older traditional people that have no idea how the world works or has been working; but not us not anymore. >
  
  It's not about being soft it's work ethic. Young people entering the workplace today as a general rule have atrocious work ethic and whenever someone doesn't "accommodate" them they lose it.  Everything is hard to them, everything gives them "anxiety". 
  Might piss people off to hear that but it's true. IMO This stems from parenting style. For awhile now it appears to me the parenting style is more focused on adults catering their entire lives to every single whim of their children to avoid "damaging" them when I'm fact by not being the adult they are ensuring their kids grow up believing that everything they say they need and want must make everyone else stop and cater to them. Real world is an adjustment for them when this doesn't happen. >
  
  This isn't even an opinion this is fact. >
  
  BS it is a fact. 2nd shift is one of the hardest shift to fill for anyone. >
  
  wym 2nd shift? >
  
  1st shift is morning. Around 6am to 2:30pm.
  2nd shift is in the afternoon. Around 2pm to 10:30pm.
  3rd shift is midnight or overnight. Around 10:30pm to 6 am.
  The problem with 2nd is, if you have any type of family or relationship you can't do or see anything for the whole week days. 
  If you have a significant other, they will be at work when you are off and will be in bed or you only have an hour or two with them for the weekday. You will miss every after school event for your kids. Your friend will be at work. >
  
  oh I see, yea I work all 3 its not preferable. >
  
  OP also only pay them 25K a year, so working the worst shift but shitty pay will not attract people. >
  
  no it definitely would not attract people. >
  
  Ok, boomer/grandpa 
  But for real, they very much are. Also millennial, and I agree wholeheartedly. >
  
  Lol. Reddit isn't going to like this. >
  
  That’s why unpopular opinion >
  
  Yeah it is your fault. You are paying them poverty wages. >
  
  Gen Z realizing work is work has been a laugh >
  
  It’s very true. I’m 24 and the only person i know that goes to work everyday. All day. It’s absurd >
  
  One day the boomers and Gen-Xers will retire and the younger generations will have to provide for society. Doing that requires work. >
  
  There are under 20 people in the building where I work. Most of the youngest people there say that people their age don't take things seriously enough >
  
  2nd shift is the worst. Unless you are someone who likes to go out and drink there is nothing good about 2nd shift. 
  If you have kids you can only take them to school. You will miss everything after school events. If you have a significant other that works, you will not be able to spend any time with them for the weekday. You come home and eat dinner and sleep. 
  You are not playing them enough for that shit. I hate 2nd shift when I was younger. >
  
  You're hiring? What sector and area >
  
  Maybe they just don’t like the 2-9pm time frame. They were up front and are now looking for other work. What’s the problem? >
  
  My opinion is no one should have to bust ass just to live and if the next generations can actually manage to make things easier in the future then good on them. >
  
  literally the most common opinion >
  
  it’s just you >
  
  Boomers and Gen X have said the same thing about millennials.
  $25K is a pretty terrible wage in any part of the country, rural or not. You said they said that the job is hard and confusing. Did you provide adequate training?
  I've actually found that the older generations can be some of the most frustrating to work with. >
  
  I’m sure this will be a question that gets me downvoted to hell, but did they really accept the job knowing what the hours would be and are complaining about them? >
  
  They aren't soft. Us millennials were taught to eat shit, work as slaves and be grateful. Actually, people like you are the reason why employers keep ignoring good working policies.
  I'm glad the younger generation knows their worth and fight for better working conditions. >
  
  people have accused younger people of being "too soft" for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
  so no, it's not just you. a lot of people fall into this fallacy.
  that being said it is also extra humorous to find out that the ages involved in this story are "25" and "19-20". >
  
  You haven't described what the job entails or what these employees are responsible for. In any case, not everyone is going to like every job and it's not possible to control that. I've disliked every job I've had, all different kinds of places, and it wasn't necessarily the employer's fault in every case. >
  
  Those two may suck, and there's many more that also suck, but there's plenty that don't suck.  Same as with your generation and mine.  You're comparing the two you've had a negative experience with to yourself who you view positively.  You're leaving out the losers your age that you happily left behind and forgetting that this generation has winners too. >
  
  OP may like 2nd shift but it is the worst and hardest shift to fill for any job if they have it. I work with people who do swing shift and 2nd is the most hated out of all of them. Especially if you have a family. >
  
  If you work full time, should you need to have a side hustle? Don't get me wrong, if enjoy your eBay business, good for you and all that. I would like those hours too, but I can see that someone younger may prefer to have more of the evening to socialise. >
  
  This depends on the productivity of the economy. It isn't some evil businessman that is making you work. We all want things and it requires work to provide those things. >
  
  They’re protecting themselves. I admire younger generations for that, in fact I think that makes them tougher. There’s significantly more work options now (given all the remote work that’s popped up). 
  That shift sucks and I saw you commented the salary is 25k. That’s horrible. I doubt you have control of that but don’t be bitter because someone younger now has the opportunity to do what you never could. >
  
  Older people thinking younger people have it easy and complain too much is like, universal. Also, you liking the hours doesn't mean everyone will. I used to work 10 pm - 7 am, and that was fine for me at that point in my life, but it's obviously not going to work for most people. >
  
  Those complaints are universal, and they date back thousands of years. Want to know why? Because every civilization is cyclical, and every civilization that has ever been has grown soft, decadent, and has eventually fallen. >
  
  I would like to know what your employee's think make the job too hard?
  Is it the actual work?
  The hours?
  Or is it that working isn't something they see themselves doing long term?
  I wonder what the employees think would make the job better. >
  
  How much are you paying them? >
  
  25k plus benefits and pension if that counts >
  
  Why would someone work hard for you when you’re not even paying enough for them to live off of? >
  
  I dunno. While I'm all for living wages, I also can't judge what a living wage Is if I don't know Where they are. Alabama, Mississippi, many other places in the south cost of living is Low. It may be a suboptimal wage but it may not be a underpaid one >
  
  I live in a small, rural town in the south and $25K would still be a bad wage here. >
  
  My guy, you’re too young to start yelling at clouds. Young people refusing to sacrifice their well-being at the altar of corporate profit is a natural and good thing, and their complaining might just save us all from the parts of capitalism that make us miserable one day.
  It’s long past time we realized that being in denial about how exhausted we are doesn’t make us tough. >
  
  This is just a complaint about two specific people in a specific situation, and a vague one at that. I wouldn't use that to generalize an entire age group (millions) of people. >
  
  Those two suck, the vast majority do not.  You shitting on them is no different than boomers shorting on the whole of your generation for years.  
  Do a better job of weeding those entitled few out in the hiring process >
  
  2nd shift is the worst. Unless you are someone who likes to go out and drink there is nothing good about 2nd shift. 
  If you have kids you can only take them to school. You will miss everything after school events. If you have a significant other that works, you will not be able to spend any time with them for the weekday. You come home and eat dinner and sleep. 
  You are not playing them enough for that shit. I hate 2nd shift when I was younger. >
  
  Maybe they just don’t like the 2-9pm time frame. They were up front and are now looking for other work. What’s the problem? >
  
  My opinion is no one should have to bust ass just to live and if the next generations can actually manage to make things easier in the future then good on them. >
  
  it’s just you >
  
  Boomers and Gen X have said the same thing about millennials.
  $25K is a pretty terrible wage in any part of the country, rural or not. You said they said that the job is hard and confusing. Did you provide adequate training?
  I've actually found that the older generations can be some of the most frustrating to work with. >
  
  Either they actually can find something better, in which case they are being totally reasonable. Or they will have to give up on their standards at some point. There is nothing wrong with trying to find a job you can enjoy.
  There is a fine balance between settling for an imperfect job and searching for a perfect one. If you start your career at one company and never leave, you’ll never know how much better (or maybe worse) it could have been. When you are young you have the most freedom to explore and so I don’t think trying to find the best work you can makes you ‘soft’, I think it makes you pragmatic. >
  
  How much you paying them? >
  
  Hard to have any opinions about this since you based yours on two people and then generalized it to apply to the whole generation. >
  
  Objectively speaking, its not you.  Standards and expectations have been drifting to the "softer" side for quite some time; I think the pandemic was also a huge trigger.  
  I suppose the question is whether this change is good or bad.  Employers and employees seem to have different opinions on this.  
  My opinion doesn't really matter.  I am an employee, but I live outside of the US in poorer countries (latin america), and I see so many people take on body and soul destroying work of the absolute worst kind, just to put food on the table, and they are grateful for it :/ so I see it both ways I guess
  I do think that it's awesome of you for having improved the workplace.  I don't know you, but I think it's presumptive to say anything is your fault.  It's the job that is "hard and complicated" >
  
  It is 2nd shift, most people hate 2nd shift, that is a huge part of OP problem. >
  
  I have been working 2nd shift job for couple decades and I like it. However I have had a number of shift buddies pass thru since they get burned out. It was just too much for them. Couple were able to move to 1st and rest left for day shift jobs. And 3rd is worse, did it for a year and thought I would die. When I have to cover 3rd now kills me but at least I know it is just short term. 
  Everyone has different body clocks etc. Yeah not gonna blame it on age, people have to find what works for them. >
  
  I worked 2nd shift for my first job out of college and hated it. I don't like going to the bar or there was very little for me to do after work. My GF at the time would be in school so I could not spend time with her at all until the weekend. >
  
  Younger generations are more willing to defy unhealthy and impractical work environments. Especially following the pandemic where we got to experience life without work.
  At my work place, new staff are told what to do without being told how to do it. Possibly this is how my older colleagues learnt, and they believe new hires should just "deal with it", but from the youth perspective it's counterproductive.
  Also did you not disclose the work hours before hiring? Why would they accept a job with hours that disagree with them. >
  
  Oh you are just so strong, and smart and a great worker. Well done OP.