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  The water is as hot as the sun at this point.
context: This is the real reason lawyers consider him radioactive, btw. 
  The lack of paying anyone definitely doesn't help him, but Trump cannot be truthful to save his life.  Literally.  He doesn't lie strategically.  He lies impulsively, and he has no memory of what he's already lied about in the past.
  If he were anyone else other than a wealthy white asshole with a giant silver spoon up his asshole and political power thanks to his remarkable ability to rouse the most simple and gullible people in the country, he'd be in jail on so many different charges that he'd never see the light of day even if he were immortal. >
  
  At one point his lawyers at the time said that they had to meet with him in pairs because the man is incapable of telling the truth. >
  
  Yeah and they mean literally incapable. 
  All politicians lie, obviously, but usually they do it strategically.  They do it towards a goal.  They do a risk calculation before telling a lie to figure out if the risk is worth the reward.  This is, if not ethical, very normal behavior. 
  That's not Trump.  He lies impulsively, he lies in a manner that routinely creates far more problems for him than it solves, and he cannot control or stop himself.
  Usually one of the criteria you use to determine compulsivity is whether someone does it even at times that is clearly inconvenient and destructive.  
  That's Trump and lying.
  Meanwhile, even if we believe the wildest conspiracy theories that Clinton was lying about every detail of Benghazi, she got in front of a panel of seasoned prosecutors who wanted to crucify her, and she testified, under oath, for ten straight hours, and they didn't get shit on her. 
  Meanwhile, armies of lawyers have moved heaven and Earth to prevent Trump from entering a similar situation because he's just too colossally stupid to last five minutes. >
  
  No, all politicians do not lie. That is such a pernicious and lazy thing to write. It may be true that it is increasingly difficult to find a politician who doesn't lie but that simply does not justify the statement. We live in a representative democracy. We Constitutionally rely on politicians to make decisions that impact our lives. The continued acceptance that "all politicians lie" as some obvious truth is a big part of what is destroying this country. It is a huge part of why Trump was elected President. >
  
  Agreed.  While it's technically true, it's only true in the same vain that all humans lie.  Everyone tells white lies and is expected to at many points in their lives, because it's for the greater good that your target audience is kept out of the loop at that particular point in time.  
  But to resign to the idea that "all politicians lie" is defeatist and sows more doubt and distrust than is necessary to the political climate.  Of course they "lie" - they have to keep things secret... which is itself "lying", technically, and sometimes they just don't know enough to divulge the "truth" about something.  Every type of management does this.  It's not really considered lying, it just how business operates since they can't possibly divulge every possible data point and strategy required to succeed.  It's for the public's own protection and a punt while negotiations and business decisions are conducted to a conclusion. >
  
  
  That is such a pernicious and lazy thing to write.
  
  I'm getting real tired of people using "technically" to side track the conversation, while pretending to ignore the information that was being conveyed just to have an easy way to boost their ego.
  I don't know if there's an influx of lawyers with nothing to do or a bunch of 6th graders trying out new concepts they just learned but it's annoying. >
  
  I wasn't using "technically" to side track the conversation.  I was only backing the poster above me's sidenote observation that the poster before them seems to be demonstrating a reason why the political climate is in such disarray.  Just repeating a solely technically true point of view that "all politicians lie" is being disingenuous and following a [common right-wing] trend, which, as I stated, sows doubt and mistrust in the climate and doesn't help matters.  We know they "lie", but to repeat it in that manner discredits those who "lie" for good reason and infrequently, and levels them with others who have [mostly] nefarious intents by it and do nothing but lie. >
  
  I was talking about the commenter that called you out for not being technically correct. Not you. Just wanted to vent as I'm not a big fan of painting the bicycle shed. 
  If someone says "all politicians lie" no one, I mean no one, takes that to mean you have talked to every single politician that is dead, alive, or hasn't even been born yet and that only you has this unassailable proof. No one. >
  
  There are consistent themes in the article that have held up over the years. 
  1) Trump’s lawyers never want him deposed or testifying because he will always perjure himself. 
  2) Trump’s lawyers presenting shabby legal briefings or arguments that are often characterized by legal experts as “jokes”. >
  
  
  fined him $10,000 a day
  
  Did he ever show up, or is the rounding error still increasing for the "billionaire"? >
  
  IIRC, he finally showed up and the judge dismissed the fines. >
  
  Really showed him.
  Delay, delay, delay, judge gets angry and imposes fines, you show up, all is forgiven. Rinse. Repeat. >
  
  Is it justice if a criminal is allowed to live his entire life without consequence? >
  
  It’s affluenza. Rich ppl don’t understand right from wrong so they shouldn’t be punished. Such claims have already succeeded in court. In Texas >
  
  “Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge …”
  Hasn’t he lied in sworn testimony before?  It appears the glacial pace of the DOJ investigation is for one of two or three reasons?  DOJ is hoping the Georgia DA beats them to the punch so she can take on the responsibility for prosecuting him. Or DOJ is being overly meticulous in their investigation before indicting a former president. Or DOJ is planning on pushing the goal post to the next election and then holding off.  
  Justice delayed is Justice denied.  Any other American would’ve been in jail years ago. If the DOJ fails to hold Trump accountable, it will have a devastating impact on our democracy going forward. It will send a message to future presidents and the world that our democracy is up for grabs. >
  
  When you're famous you can grab the country by the pussy.  They let you do it >
  
  Not famous, although it helps, just who has money and was born into money. They have their own special rules hell they live in a world completely detached from our own. Old gilded age barons have nothing on these new breeds. >
  
  
  Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.
  On Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company. >
  
  He also said the trump organization doesn’t exist
  “The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.
  On Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.
  “Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.” >
  
  The only person dumber in this story than Trump is Alina Habba, literally one of the dumbest lawyers in the country. >
  
  How does he keep finding these people? >
  
  At some point, some judge is going to say, "Enough is enough." >
  
  Please let it be any FUCKING day now >
  
  I'd just be happy with any 'fucking year' by this point.  I have about 9 years left (according to the SS mortality tables) and I'd like to see the Orange Shitgibbon behind bars before I shuffle off my mortal coil. >
  
  I fear we may see him die before him seeing genuine consequences, honestly. >
  
  I have a nice bottle of wine set aside for the day he sheds his mortal coil. Gives me a lot of motivation to eat right and exercise. >
  
  Covid really let me down… >
  
  So, is he going to be found in contempt and jailed until the court is satisfied of his regret?  Y'know, like the rest of us ordinary humans everywhere? >
  
  Oops!  At the very least, two personality traits are necessary to be a consistently competent liar. One trait is having slightly higher than average intellegence, the other is a iron clad memory. >
  
  How about everyone stops threatening to punish him and actually punish him? >
  
  trump’s been swimming the backstroke in boiling water for decades and nothing ever happens. >
  
  Seriously. He's like those bacteria that live in geysers, perfectly at home in the hottest water. >
  
  I’ve said it before but - someone’s gonna have to be the one to have to go arrest him, which may or may not happen on live tv. And then deal with the wrath of the Trump People. 
  And I don’t say that to be funny. That person is now in serious danger. Whoever arrests him will have to wear a ski mask like the police in Mexico when they arrest cartel members. I can’t believe we’re coming to that point now. But I think that’s what it’s going to have to be. Whoever arrests him will have to remain anonymous. >
  
  Even his lawyer is in trouble.
  
  The result was a legal document that read like a joke, with Trump attorney Alina Habba going as far as claiming there is formally no such thing as the “Trump Organization’—a ridiculous position, given that it’s a billion-dollar company Trump used to build his reputation over decades.  
  On Tuesday, the AG’s office called her out on that too, noting that in November she began a court hearing before this very judge by introducing herself as an attorney for that company.
  
  “Good morning, Your Honor. Alina Habba for Trump Organization, Donald Trump, et cetera,” she said on Nov. 22 in a New York City courtroom.
  I think these moronic assholes think they can play semantic games with the court. I guess we'll see if they're right. >
  
  If this were anyone reading this sub: we would be in jail right now if we lied to a judge. 
  No question about it. >
  
  I have a feeling, that like with Hitler, nobody wants to be the first one to stop clapping.  As soon as the first indictment hits, the rest will follow very fast >
  
  Is he? I haven't seen him in any hot water considering there's been zero attempt to punish him for every crime he's committed. >
  
  He's been in legal hot water for like 60 years. Nothing ever happens. >
  
  How has he been able to break law after law and get away with it!?! We should all be furious. >
  
  Everyone with basic reading and comprehension skills is, in fact, furious. But given that our fury has resulted in no one who has the power to hold him accountable actually holding him accountable, most of us are at the “throw our hands up in disgust” stage.   
  Living in an utterly corrupt oligarchy is fun! >
  
  We can debate fun topics like whether the correct term is oligarchy, plutocracy, kakistocracy, etc while we wait to see if it resolves to theocracy, fascism or feudalism. Who knows what could happen! >
  
  I know! Living in interesting times! Hurrah! >
  
  If there's one thing he's learned during his presidency it's how to lie and that his base will still bow down before him >
  
  At this point, I am fairly certain he actually did kill someone on 5th ave. >
  
  He’s digging that hole all the way to “Gyna”. >
  
  If nothing ever happens to him is it really hot water?
  Because right now it just seems like lawyers making tons of money and career moves for dog and pony show points. Trump will keep on trumpin and we'll get the bill. >
  
  Donald Trump claimed to have committed perjury during a debate before the 2016 election. This will probably have as many consequences. >
  
  Jesus Christ what will it take to lock this man up?!? >
  
  While presented without the full context, the following statement seems more accurate than anything I've heard come out of his mouth:
  
  Well, I wasn’t active during the time I was at 1600,” Trump said, referring to the White House address. “I would say that I was an inactive president...” >
  
  He has done that before, so what hot water? >
  
  This feels like the Jerome Corsi case. He lied numerous times to FBI agents about various things. But in order to charge him with a crime, they had to prove that he did so knowingly. But each time they went to re-interview him, he'd give a new set of contradictory statements. They couldn't make his testimony coherent enough to charge him with intent to lie, because when you're completely untethered from objective reality, you're not lying intentionally, you're just so mixed up that you don't know what a lie or the truth is.
  Trump is a similarly disordered person. >
  
  Does it matter? 
  The guy has avoided any real consequences. He called for treason, and sedition on live tv, incited a mob, and he just kicked off his campaign.
  Can we stop pretending he’s going to be held accountable? 
  Seeing these headlines everyday since 2015 is just fucking pathetic for terrible our system is. This guy shouldn’t be able to work at an Arby’s, but he caters to the worst of the worst, and they prop him up. The other people bind their hands with red tape, and let people like trump use the system against itself. Rinse, and repeat >
  
  I understand your point but the alternative is to give up and let him win. I’d rather see him never get a moment’s peace again, even if he manages to game the system to win in court every time. >
  
  I’m 100% on your team. Fuck that orange POS.
  I’m infinitely frustrated with our legal system, and the people that run it. It’s about punishing the poor, and absolving the rich, and well connected. Trump is just visible sore, on a diseased entity. >
  
  ….But Miraculously Continues to Evade Any Sort of Prosecution >
  
  Why isn’t he behind bars yet? Oh right. Because money. >
  
  Wake me up when he’s actually charged with something. >
  
  “That Makes Me Smart.” 
  I’m printing tshirts with Donny in a jail bird suit with that quote for anyone that wants a preorder. >
  
  "Trump theoretically in legal hot water for outrageous legal transgression that would land any average person in jail." >
  
  When oh when can we be finally rid of this shitstain? >
  
  ‘Hefty fines’? Jared Kushner sneered as his lower face split apart to assume the thin crease of a human smile, ‘I still have 2 Billion dollars legally given to me by a foreign interest if you need to pay those…or I could just pay for your next presidential campaign’ >
  
  Trump is a threat to the legal system. It’s well established that if you have enough money, you don’t get in trouble (as awful as that is). But he keeps Messing up so bad that’s it’s gojng to force the legal system to penalize him at some point right? Right?  Maybe he’s so bad he’s good! Lol >
  
  They will let him off once he tells them he had his fingers crossed when he lied >
  
  Only if he is held accountable. >
  
  But Trump never lies... *brain forcibly ejects itself onto the floor. >
  
  
  HOT WATER
  
  Oh noes!! a rich guy will be forced to endure a small fine and see no jail time.
  Surely he'll learn his lesson now!   -_- >
  
  I'm sure he'll totally be held accountable this time. >
  
  Curse you 3M and your Teflon inventions! >
  
  Oh no! Legal hot water! 
  The guy has been in legal hot water pretty much all of his adult life and hasn't had anything more than monetary repercussions. I believe he will pass on without seeing any serious consequences to his actions. >
  
  Been seeing these headlines for years…the law doesn’t really apply to our rich overlords at this point, does it? >
  
  Ooooh yeah Trump is really in hot water now, he must be totally panicking on...what... the fourteenth hole? Yes, what a terrible day for him, I wonder if he will have the overcooked steak or the overcooked lobster tonight as he is on his 30th year of being in the worst legal trouble of his life >
  
  or perhaps a steak done like Peterson recommends ... Wagyu with the fat drained off cooked in water... >
  
  Wake me up if/when he actually goes to prison >
  
  Let me guess nothing will be done and he will continue to break the law. >
  
  Until there are some actual consequences, no he's not. >
  
  Trump lies to everyone. Why should judges be any different? >
  
  And American Idiots are still saying 'he should be president.' >
  
  How many laws will that guy break before something is actually done? >
  
  The pot has been on the stove for two years, the water is all boiled off.
  When the fuck am i getting the meal? >
  
  No he's not. >
  
  I'll hold my breath for the consequences >
  
  Trump lied? Oh no, oh no, oh nonononono. >
  
  Yeah, this will be the thing that finally brings him down! Not >
  
  If ordinary folk said shit like this, we'd be in a jail cell.  
  Time to sanction and penalize his lawyers for these frivolous lawsuits.  And time ot sanction and penalize Trump for lying in court proceedings. >
  
  I feel like he's been in legal trouble for years but nothing ever happens... >
  
  So...when are the consequences going to make an appearance? >
  
  Hasn’t fucking mattered so far!! >
  
  I will believe it when I see it. >
  
  1 million dollar fine!!! That’ll teach them! >
  
  Oh great so it’s jail time as it would be for anyone else. Haha jk >
  
  Perhaps Trump will face the ultimate consequence: double secret probation! >
  
  “Dumb Rich Asshole continues to evade consequences for reasons.” >
  
  Trump… legal hot water… consequences for his actions… wake me up when it actually happens.  At this point in his life he suffers no consequences for anything he does so why tell the truth at all?  He can even perjure himself and not deal with consequences.  He’s literally above the law.