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  Do the electric cars from Hyundai, Audi, Ford, Kia etc. have the same issues as Tesla cars?
context: The world's most valuable automaker delivered 405,278 vehicles in the last three months of the year, compared with Wall Street expectations of 431,117 vehicles, according to Refinitiv data. >
  
  Turns out appealing to righties who probably can't afford your cars isn't a smart idea. >
  
  How do you roll coal in an EV? Put fans and streamers on a light bar? >
  
  Put a big tesla coil on it which shoots out massive arcs of electricity. >
  
  delete this. someone will fucking try it. >
  
  reporting in. >
  
  There are noticeable shifts in the EV market. 
  Over the last year, I’ve been seeing more and more non-Tesla EVs on the road. Rivian, given the Amazon connection, isn’t that surprising as I’m in Seattle. 
  But the Hyundai Ioniq is popping up everywhere in my neighborhood. Polestars are also becoming more common. I’m also seeing so many Subaru Crosstrek Hybrids and Prius Primes. 
  Two years ago, it was all Teslas. But true competition is finally here and it’s going to be a brutally tough next few years as the EV market becomes more saturated with choice. In many ways, Tesla is facing the same trajectory as Netflix. Huge success as a first mover with massive growth expectations but then crushing reality as the core differentiator of your business becomes commonplace. >
  
  You are completely correct. Once competition is introduced, you have a bunch of whiny first movers. Don't like competition, then fold and die as a company. If you can't innovate past your new competition, or at least keep up, well, you're a dinosaur of a company and will be left behind to flounder. >
  
  And the current Tesla body style looks dated. A 2007 Mazda-inspired looking car isn't appealing. >
  
  its an EV. Body styles cant really improve unless you figure out how to make your fresh new look have a lower drag coefficent. The rounder the better, but that sacrifices cabin space which people will not like, or you sacrifice drag CF but then range goes down. You might enjoy the Mach-E, but its got a .28 vs a .23. Like the looks of that VW ID.4? Well you are back to that .28
  Go the other direction and you end up with the best in the world, which is the Mercedes EQS at .20. But have fun and get drunk one day and look at it compared to a model 3, they look the same with the EQS just a bit sleeker. >
  
  We ended up getting the eMustang. So far so good, higher drag co-efficient notwithstanding!
  Will do as you demand and have a few drinks now. >
  
  Ohh? Do you have bluecruise? If so how do you like it?
  For all that people rip on AP/FSD for tesla, coming from a 2005 Crown Vic that didn't have even cruise control, to a 2014 Challenger with just "I'm going to run you into a wall at 70 because that's what you said to keep speed at". FSD is amazingly helpful.
  Right now id still buy a Tesla over a Mach E due to what I've read about blueCruise vs experience daily with FSD.
  The other two EV buying points are 1) range overall 2) Charging capability on trips. Im totally fine with the supercharger network and a 300 mile range EV. The non superchargers are just frankly not at parity yet, so id need a Mach E to be more like 400+ miles as theres a much higher chance of getting to the spot and having both / the only charger broke vs tesla having 8 stations all be down. >
  
  Nope, didn't get the BC. Like the idea of it, but would we actually use it around town? Likely not. Maybe if we were planning on going further with it we would but we have another car we use for longer trips. 
  We were 100% going to get a Tesla, until we drove one. Made getting the Mach the easy choice. >
  
  I suspect the Tesla/Musk story will be a case for business classes for years to come. How can one company in an industry be "worth" more than all the others combined? The myth that it can vanquish all the others? The myth that all the others have no tools to combat the upstart? >
  
  It's hype. Large institutional investors are/were riding that hype. So much so that so many people have been burned attempting to short Tesla that I doubt anyone tried now that it cratered 65%. But it's also hype and folly to expect EV's to have a huge market share in the near future. They're expensive and not enough public charging stations. There needs to be a backlash against gadgeting everything until it's too expensive and just deliver a bare bones car. >
  
  Car companies should focus on making hybrids.  that Ford Maverick sold out it was as cheap as a compact car when it came out.  
  I only have and need on car.  Electric would not be good for me, they are useless if I need to drive 1500 miles to see my family.  I'm not stopping every 4 hours to wait an hour or more to charge. >
  
  It’s so weird. Tesla does well but then people complain about the cost of EVs and being “forced” to buy them. Obviously there is increasing demand for EVs.