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  Putin never claimed he would use nukes to defend the territories. He just obliquely said they were being considered along with other options. 
  Putin is unlikely to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine under these current circumstances but circustmances can change,
context: Russia makes the bet that Iran can produce drones faster than NATO can produce anti-air missiles. >
  
  Honestly I think they’ll be able to do it cheaper with high volume computer assisted machine gun fire or computer guided anti drone electronic warfare weapons. 
  Missiles are expensive but a tracked weapon that either doesn’t need reloading or costs a fraction of a missile is coming. >
  
  Drones are probably just set to fly to a given gps location and then crash there. So fairly resistent to any countermeasure unless it involves messing with GPA signal. >
  
  would it be though? if the drones goes in a straight predictable line then a computer could easily track it and shoot it down no? (disclaimer I know jack shit about this stuff) >
  
  It's not straight line. They can programm them to any route. E.g. fly 5 meter turn left fly 10 meter turn right. It's just that all of this done on ground before launching >
  
  The Iranian drones are planes, not helicopters so they have to fly fairly straight. >
  
  Um? So you saying drones can't change direction? Yes they can. >
  
  Lol, yes of course they can change direction, but an aeroplane drone turns slowly. Ever seen a plane, turn a perfect 90 degrees in the air? >
  
  Ok, 5-10meters was example that they just can change direction not literal value, no idea what their actual turn radius, just know that they change direction multiple times during fly to target >
  
  Ok, fair enough, I was just letting you know in case you thought these were helicopter drones. >
  
  The Nazis tried that in London during WW2. It didn't work then and I hope that it fails again. >
  
  It will fail, attempting to beat a population into submission never works. They just become more resilient, vengeful, resourceful people.
  Ukraine will win this war, my only fear is that it may take years. The sooner somebody takes care of Putin, the sooner the war will end. Putin is reliant on victory in Ukraine to ensure his continued domestic dictatorship. >
  
  Yep, you either annihilate thoroughly, destroying everything, or you leave them alone.
  Walking anywhere in the middle just doesn't work. >
  
  The takeaway:  Russia's supposedly formidable army has been reduced to cheap drones. >
  
  That they import >
  
  From Iran. >
  
  When I see 'made in Iran' I think: quality >
  
  Those words also invite me to start thinking about the quality of the product, yes. >
  
  Still better than anything Russia manages to make after decades of underfunding and embezzlement in the military-industrial complex that is supposed to be their only venue of parity with the West. A large part of why we feared Russia's army was the observation of miserable Russian living standards and a mistaken conclusion that they are being sacrificed for military power. Turns out a government of thieves and liars ruins everything under its watch, no exceptions. Even the secret police largely feigns ruthless competency by arresting random people and torturing them until they confess. >
  
  Maybe retool a single European lawn-mover factory to produce a couple of thousand cheap knockoffs every month and donate them to Ukraine to see if that makes Russia reconsider its stupid plan?
  First month they could be launched with nothing but confetti and party balloons as payload to make a subtle point? >
  
  This would be funny!! Just confetti with "surrender " on every lil paper >
  
  I suppose two can play that game... >
  
  nobody's gonna gine Ukraine drones though >
  
  Ukraine has already done drone attacks against Russian infrastructure. >
  
  It has, but it can't mass produce cheap drones like Iran does, especially during a war >
  
  Iran's capacity does not seem very impressive either. I don't think we should be too worried. >
  
  Hmm, I wonder who's more vulnerable to drone strikes on vast swaths of static civilian infrastructure 🤔
  Pretty dangerous game to be playing for someone who can't even defend their military installations >
  
  Now i fully agree, but Ukraine cant hit russn infrastructure much, cant look like the bad guy. Just keep hitting military targets, defend,  ruaas will run out before the west. Is the west actively crying for a cease fire? Well... outside of ppl who are in pootins influence. >
  
  How long before someone smokes too close to the drone factory? >
  
  Israel is already handing out Marlboros. >
  
  Not the new government >
  
  Sounds like Iran should be held accountable >
  
  We should start sanctioning Iran!!!! >
  
  Can the drones be targeted while in transit? Is that too logistically complicated to pull off at the moment? Would the result of that draw another country into the war? >
  
  The Iranian drones are easy enough to shoot out of the sky with the right defences. Ukraine blasted them all last night. What Russia is banking on is that the missile to destroy it costs more than the drone.
  It’s a pretty stupid plan, to be honest. >
  
  I swear i saw footage of Ukraine shooting down a drone with small arms >
  
  Few being shot by manpads  for sure. >
  
  Might have been. >
  
  Aside from shooting the drones, can the base in Russia where they take off be attacked? That's how most flying objects like airplanes and larger missiles are dealt with. Turn off the spigot and the water stops, right. >
  
  I’ve been saying this for months, the Vulcan air defense system is the correct weapon to use against the Iranian drones. They need hundreds of these and they’re in storage all over the place. They shoot 20mm rounds and are dirt cheap. >
  
  Absolutely this!!! Missiles for Missiles n planes.  Bullets for super slow drones >
  
  Can those drones be manipulated? To ... fly home? >
  
  If you get one intact ( unlikely) and then reverse engineering how to program it... >
  
  This is getting old. Just let them join NATO already and be clear to Russia and the rest of the world that unless you leave in 30 days you will be attacked by the west. >
  
  Pro-tip: don't attack the psycho holding nukes >
  
  Nobody is attacking the psycho holding nukes. People are DEFENDING themselves from the psycho holding nukes that, by the way, he has not used and won't ever use as long as Russia isn't directly in danger of being attacked. He claimed he'll use nukes to defend the freshly taken territories, instead, Ukraine pushed them back, reclaimed them and even had Russia bomb their "own people". Also: Putin could've used nukes a long time ago to end the war and make Ukraine surrender, but he didn't, because it would mean game over for his ego and wishful thinking of a Russian empire that he so drastically wants to re-establish by throwing people into the meat grinder. It's obvious by now the nukes are at best a last resort defense to avoid people attacking Russia, nothing else.