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  They won in 2016, lost 2020, and severely underperformed in 2022 after implementing those ideas. In 2016 they gambled.on those ideas. 2022 has shown those ideas aren't as popular as they thought.
  
  To bolster your point, they also lost in 2018 pretty badly. 
  Still, I wasn't saying that it actually is a good idea for them to double down on those ideas. I think it's very possible though that 4 Republican members of the House still think it's a good idea tomorrow at noon. Additionally, it's not necessarily the case that they really care about their party; the group that opposes McCarthy really seems to hate "the establishment" more than anything else. 
  
  It shows a stronger party. It doesn't publicly show how weak their party is, which is a benefit for all Republicans.
  
  A strong Republican party that coalesces around the best leaders doesn't benefit a group that wants Trump to be president again.
context: People said the same thing about Pelosi, that a few far left Congresspersons would hold out on the first ballot or two. They didn't, as that kind of gamesmanship is bad for your party. We're likely in the same position here. The GOP knows that McCarthy will get it, and any games just weakens your own party  at this point. >
  
  Do you mean in the 2019 or 2021 Speaker Election? The 2019 speaker election was a pretty different scenario because Dems had a substantially greater majority. The 2021 election was different because of the incumbency advantage among other factors. Also, I don't remember those elections too well, but I remember that progressives seemed to indicate they wouldn't support her at some point, but not 2 days before the election like Republican firebrands are doing. 
  While it may hurt the party for Republicans to vote against McCarthy, members of the freedom caucus have largely taken the position that they oppose both establishment parties. And the games the freedom caucus have played have resulted in the ouster of the last two Republican speakers. >
  
  There are certainly differences, but the political calculus is still the same. A failed speakership vote where the outcome is all but concluded shows weakness in the party. Boebert is an example for people who are on the far right, so they are likely realizing they need to "reign in" the extremism after the "disappointing" midterm results.
  Talk is easy, action isn't. We'll see tomorrow, but failing the vote isn't likely to win anyone friends and does little to enact any change. >
  
  
  A failed speakership vote where the outcome is all but concluded shows weakness in the party.
  
  Sure, but I think there is actual weakness in the party. A strong party doesn't have such terrible mid-term results, a strong party doesn't have their most recent presidential nominee suggesting he might run third party, a strong party doesn't have 18 senators joining the opposition to deny their own party control of spending bills. 
  
  Boebert is an example for people who are on the far right, so they are likely realizing they need to "reign in" the extremism after the "disappointing" midterm results.
  
  That's one way to look at it. But following 2012, the general message of the Republican autopsy was that they'd have to move to the center in 2016. They chose not to do that and they won the election. It's not unbelievable to me that those who oppose McCarthy believe doubling down will be beneficial. 
  
  Talk is easy, action isn't. We'll see tomorrow, but failing the vote isn't likely to win anyone friends and does little to enact any change.
  
  Ehh, sure. But voting for McCarthy doesn't really do much for those who oppose him either. >
  
  
  That's one way to look at it. But following 2012, the general message of the Republican autopsy was that they'd have to move to the center in 2016. They chose not to do that and they won the election. It's not unbelievable to me that those who oppose McCarthy believe doubling down will be beneficial.
  
  They won in 2016, lost 2020, and severely underperformed in 2022 after implementing those ideas. In 2016 they gambled.on those ideas. 2022 has shown those ideas aren't as popular as they thought.
  
  But voting for McCarthy doesn't really do much for those who oppose him either.
  
  It shows a stronger party. It doesn't publicly show how weak their party is, which is a benefit for all Republicans.