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  "Yeah, but there was this one case of a kid in New England who suddenly dropped dead in class recently and nobody will say what she died of, or if she was vaccinated. Just saying..."
  A paraphrase of what I heard on a popular Catholic radio talk show last weekend. It was one of the most disgusting segments I have ever heard on religious radio, and that's saying something.
context: I remember the huge lines of parents  in FL taking their kids to a shady chiropractor to get them mask exemption letters for $50 a pop. >
  
  "Covid-19 deaths displace influenza and pneumonia, becoming the top cause of death caused by any infectious or respiratory disease. 
  It caused “substantially” more deaths than any vaccine-preventable disease historically,
  the researchers wrote." >
  
  I’m still haunted by my conservative friends who insisted in 2020 that “kids don’t get COVID.” That was always a lie, but they believed it. They still believe it. Facts don’t matter and they do not care. Dead children didn’t convince them when it was guns. Dead kids won’t convince them when it’s a virus. How tragic. How pointlessly tragic. >
  
  I vividly remember members of my family saying since they had COVID early on, they’d never get it again. No need to vaccinate and spike proteins blah blah blah. They’ve had it 3 times now, and each time is worse. One is thinking they have some long COVID symptoms now too. 
  I finally got it around Christmas coupled with the flu and had the highest fever since I was a kid at 103+. I’m not sure if it was the flu or COVID that fucked me. It sucked. >
  
  Dad swears he had it before the first reported case even though he was diagnosed with bacterial pneumonia  and has refused to vaccinate. His wife works in a major hospital. Betting you can guess her vax status as a medical professional in Ohio. Swore he couldn't wear a mask because it made it too hard to breathe with his beard. Went out to dinner in crowded restuarants 3 times a week with his hospital staff wife while refusing to vaccinate or wear masks. 
  Family swears grandma died because "her lungs were shot" not because she had covid in an over run hospital. I gave up. >
  
  The mask thing always makes me chuckle. I was running around Lake Washington(Seattle) during the summers with forest fire smoke in an n95 mask way before COVID. It was fine aside from the sweat. >
  
  The best thing I learned from this pandemic was that an n95 mask outside in the summer cuts my allergy/wild fire smoke induced asthma down by like 80%.  I wish someone had told me this in the 90’s when my asthma was still very severe. >
  
  After an allergy test, the doctor said he’d never seen someone so allergic to grass and other things. Said if I wanted to play outside, I should wear a mask (no asthma). Neighbor kid had one for about three days due to asthma. Kids mocked him nonstop to where he stopped using it so I never used one.
  Fast forward to pandemic and the same realization. When the cotton woods are out, I sneeze nonstop and with the mask it was almost nonexistent. It was amazing. >
  
  If you didn't have therapy for it at the time, you might reconsider. 
  IIRC there's a grass-specific (pretty much all grasses but JUST grasses) therapy that's not even injected, but I only heard about in passing because I'm literally allergic to every form of grass and every common tree, so I get injections.
  They have helped tremendously. What I call "incredibly bad" now was an average day before I started.
  With the rush methods or cluster methods, they can get you up to maintenance dose in months not years. I did rush (fill you to the gills with steroids and antihistamines than just keep injecting you every 15 minutes until they notice the faintest reaction, then stop) and after that I had about 5 months of stepped up doses before I hit full dose.
  It's just a monthly shot, and a 20 minute wait, now. (Well, except beginning of the year, New vials mean they cut the dose and I do weekly shots for January, and the monthly thereafter) >
  
  I think they might be drops. I have folks that swear by them and my sister developed bad dog allergy and pollen in college. She went on the drops and helped tremendously to the point where she doesn’t even notice if a dog is around (and adopted one). Not covered by insurance in a lot of cases. 
  I just need to schedule some time with an allergist to see what kind of options are out there. >
  
  "In 2019, the last year before the pandemic, the leading causes of death among children and young adults ages 0 to 19 included perinatal conditions, unintentional injuries, congenital malformations or deformations, assault, suicide, malignant neoplasms, diseases of the heart and influenza and pneumonia."
  2019 would have been before Covid, the article doesn't rank them in order. >
  
  To be clear, Covid is the 8th leading cause of death in children. Similar to influenza rates before 2020. >
  
  And yet people get upset when you compare COVID to the flu >
  
  For me, it's more than people confuse the flu with the common cold while doing this and compare covid to the flu in order to downplay the severity. 
  The flu kills a lot of people every year, including otherwise perfectly healthy teenagers. The flu is not to be fucked with. >
  
  This is probably off base, but I’ve always felt that over the counter medicines advertising themselves as “cold & flu” medicine has made people over the years/decades kind of lump them together, as if the flu is just a somewhat worse cold. I had the flu when I was in college, and despite being on “cold & flu” medicine the entire time, I was fucking MISERABLE. I was basically bedridden, only leaving my room in order to grab food or to shower to try to warm up (I still felt freezing even in the hot water). I really hate when people downplay the flu. >
  
  Yup, I've only ever had a proper flu twice in my life and they've humbled me. Flu will mess you up. >
  
  Same here. Flu suuuuuucks >
  
  By this time, anybody who hasn't already been vaxxed isn't going to be.  This is one of the results. >
  
  Vaccination isn't enough. The US is averaging >10,000 COVID deaths per month and a significant portion of those people are vaccinated. Our public health response to this ongoing pandemic is garbage and vaccination alone won't save us. >
  
  
  Vaccination isn't enough
  
  And in your estimation, what exactly would be "enough"? >
  
  Something that will lead to fewer than 12000 deaths a month whatcha think? How about mask mandates during periods of high transmission? How about new building requirements to improve ventilation in schools and other high-risk facilities? You think we're doing enough? lmao >
  
  You can't protect stupid people from themselves forever.
  At this point, let em die. >
  
  And they’ll go out and infect others. Others like myself who are high risk or others who are the definition of high risk/immunocompromised. Yeah, no, try again. >
  
  So what are you asking for here? Do you have a solution? >
  
  I mean, there are tons of proposed solutions (of course no one thing going to 100% work but they can build off of each other) like air filtration, lockdowns, mask mandates, but they get rallied against, so… >
  
  So you don't really have any solutions.
  It sucks you're high risk, but the vast majority aren't. Your needs won't come ahead of theirs. It's just human nature. >
  
  Jesus, imagine still calling for lockdowns in 2023. These people are nuts. >
  
  Tl;dr - 8th most common cause of death at a rate of 1 in 100,000, less than 1% of covid deaths were kids under 18. >
  
  Screw that, keep reading. 
  “Pediatric deaths are rare by any measure. It’s something that that we don’t expect to happen and it’s a tragedy in a unique way. It’s a really profound event,” said Dr. Sean O’Leary, chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics’ Committee on Infectious Diseases.
  "...Just because the numbers are so much lower in children doesn’t mean that they’re not impactful."
  The researchers’ analysis of data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that there were 821 Covid-19 deaths in this age group during a 12-month period from August 2021 to July 2022. That death rate – about 1 for every 100,000 children ages 0 to 19 – ranks eighth compared with the 2019 data. It ranks fifth among adolescents ages 15 to 19.
  Covid-19 deaths displace influenza and pneumonia, becoming the top cause of death caused by any infectious or respiratory disease. It caused “substantially” more deaths than any vaccine-preventable disease historically, the researchers wrote.
  If we could reduce the number of children dying, shouldn't we? The answer is yes, full stop. The number of children that are fully vaccinated in America is shockingly low, and with a vaccine that could have prevented something like 90% of those deaths!? Shameful. >
  
  
  However, a lot of people are using this article to criticize in-person learning. 
  
  I haven't seen that at all?
  Most kids should be vaccinated, same with teachers. Kids should be allowed to stay home if sick without penalty. Past that, I've never seen someone argue against in person learning since after 2020. >
  
  
  I haven't seen that at all?
  
  In other posts where the topic came up, hundreds of redditors jumped to the assumption that in-person learning was being criticized, despite no evidence to that effect.
  Maybe it's a media trope or something?  I don't know. >
  
  I don't think for the most part people are criticizing in-person learning. Rather, folks have pointed out how in-person learning could be made safer with some rather simple changes, but isn't. >
  
  Agreed.  I just don't know why so many people are jumping to the opposite assumption. >
  
  Politics. 
  Let's be real about something; this isn't a liberal vs conservative or democrat vs republican issue. 
  This is a normal person vs the unhinged reactionary. They jump to be contrarian without thought or consideration of anything. They have perceived enemies (which isn't reciprocated mind you) and they label them liberal or progressive or whatever and then they go to the extreme opposite reaction because "fuck you liberals!"
  I mean covid is a perfect example of how insane they are. A health safety organization says, "we should probably wear high quality masks" and a bunch of chuds get their guns and storm the Michigan capitol building because they're freedoms are being taken away. According to their diseased brains. 
  I mean these assholes are having a tantrum about M&Ms not being fuckable enough and gas stoves right now! >
  
  America: Making child mortality numbers great again >
  
  I wonder if there would be less child covid deaths if our obesity rates weren't so high >
  
  That question would hurt people’s feelings and force society to confront difficult truths. Can’t have that.
  Anyway, free jelly donuts for taking the vaccine!! >
  
  Anti-vaxxers have no room to judge other people for making unhealthy choices or to talk about "difficult truths" >
  
  Ok, ill do it. What he said. You ready to come off your high horse now? >
  
  For people too lazy to read the whole article...
  
  In 2019, the last year before the pandemic, the leading causes of death among children and young adults ages 0 to 19 included perinatal conditions, unintentional injuries, congenital malformations or deformations, assault, suicide, malignant neoplasms, diseases of the heart and influenza and pneumonia.
  The researchers’ analysis of data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that there were 821 Covid-19 deaths in this age group during a 12-month period from August 2021 to July 2022. That death rate – about 1 for every 100,000 children ages 0 to 19 – ranks eighth compared with the 2019 data. It ranks fifth among adolescents ages 15 to 19.
  Covid-19 deaths displace influenza and pneumonia, becoming the top cause of death caused by any infectious or respiratory disease. It caused “substantially” more deaths than any vaccine-preventable disease historically, the researchers wrote.
  According to CDC data, children are less vaccinated against Covid-19 than any other age group in the US. Less than 10% of eligible children have gotten their updated booster shot, and more than 90% of children under 5 are completely unvaccinated.
  “If we looked at all those other leading causes of death – whether you’re talking about motor vehicle accidents or childhood cancer – and we said, ‘Gosh, if we had some simple, safe thing we could do to get rid of one of those, wouldn’t we just jump at it?” And we have that with Covid with vaccines,” said O’Leary, who is also a professor of pediatric infectious disease at the University of Colorado School of Medicine and Children’s Hospital Colorado. >
  
  "The researchers’ analysis of data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that there were 821 Covid-19 deaths in this age group during a 12-month period..."
  Maybe I'm misunderstanding something.  But how can something that has caused 821 (roughly 1 in 100,000) deaths be the leading cause of death in the US?  In 2020, accidentla death was at least 5 in 100,000.  Cancer was around 2.5 in 100,000, right there with drug overdose and poisoning.  Suffocation was around 2 in 100,000.   
  Can someone help me understand why CNN would report it like this? >
  
  I'm more concerned that there are three times as many children born with syphilis every year. >
  
  So you can only be concerned about and deal with one problem at a time? Why are you concerned about the children being born with syphillis when many more children are being gunned down every year? >
  
  8th most common and is still tracked by having COVID vs dying from COVID 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️ >
  
  Should probably read the study.  They specifically only included deaths where COVID was the underlying cause.  They specifically excluded deaths where COVID was a contributing cause. >
  
  But we are ending US emergency restrictions on May 11th. /s >
  
  They are pro pregnancy. Not even pro birth. Once you are born they forget about you until you are old enough to feed into the military machine or the capitalistic machine. To fight the riches wars or make them more money. Either way you belong to them. >
  
  Where I live none of the kids wear masks and none of them are protected against the virus. The parents barely wear masks themselves. I mostly see older people doing it. >
  
  It's kinda wild how much it shifts depending on where you are. I'm usually one of the few people wearing masks where I live, but I recently went to a store like 15 minutes away and basically everyone was wearing a mask. >
  
  In Boston many people are still masking on trains, in grocery stores, in theatres. >
  
  I visited numerous packed bars and clubs in Boston last year, and literally no masks in sight. >
  
  I feel like it's a bit naive to expect places like that to have people wearing masks lol >
  
  I wasn't wearing one either, just giving a counterexample to the person implying that people in Boston are still wearing masks in public. >
  
  Anecdotal - Ever since I stopped wearing masks, I’ve been sick constantly with unrelenting allergies.  With a mask I never had any issues.  I just got tired of the hassle and the stigma although I still wear them in planes and in airports. >
  
  I said this yesterday too, but by far the best thing I learned from the pandemic was that n95 masks outside in the summer cut my allergy/wild fire smoke induced asthma by about 80%.  I really wish I’d learned this as a teen when my asthma was still severe instead of as a 40 year old, but better late than never. >
  
  2020 numbers in terms of...cases? Hopsitalizations? deaths? >
  
  And yet we have people that think Covid isn’t real or they think since they already had it, it’s not a big deal. >
  
  I feel bad for kids who have long covid too. Their parents or schools may treat them as lazy or stupid but they’re suffering from fatigue and brain fog after infection and hardly anyone is going to help them out. Not forgetting how much more sick they’re going to feel from other illnesses as covid blew up their immunity responses >
  
  Key point to always remember...
  
  The findings of the new study, published in JAMA Network Open, may underestimate the mortality burden of Covid-19 because the analysis focuses on deaths where Covid-19 was an underlying cause of death but not those where it may have been a contributing factor, the researchers wrote. Also, other analyses of excess deaths suggest that Covid-19 deaths have been underreported.
  
  There's a larger picture here. People are having various complications well after "recovering" from covid-19, some more serious than others. Covid technically isn't the cause of death in these cases, but it's definitely helping it along. >
  
  Just saying, the now 9th leading cause isn't killing less kids, it is just that we now have a lot more kids dying each year than we did 3 years ago. But just like gun violence killing kids, don't expect anybody to do anything because a bunch of dead kids aren't them losing their rights or some such BS. >
  
  Kids are the acceptable collateral damage for the gun nuts' freedom... >
  
  Article from CNN?? Pass >
  
  Lol - people who actually read articles from a variety of sources look to the ACTUAL SOURCE of the data. If you had you could actually look up the real data and then judge. For example, when writers/news personalities  insist there was no Russian collusion w Trump’s campaign, they have no source data while those who insist there was collusion point to the GOP-led senate investigation report which is full of facts and research that prove collusion. QED >
  
  By denying covid exists and therefor furthering its spread, propelling guns to the leading cause of death for youngsters, and insuring the air kids breath and the water they drink are toxic, the right is blazing a trail into our future.
  Don't have to worry about a legacy if there's no pool of heirs. >
  
  And that sending kids back to school just has to happen. Can't use our technology or anything like that. Nope. Nah-uh. Because remote schooling was bad for children! Yes. That was bad for children. This virus? Fine. Send 'em back to school. No big deal!
  What am I supposed to do? Keep my children in my house?! Where I live?!?! >
  
  I'm not sure if it applies in your area but they sent kids (and workers) back to work due to money. It usually boils down to money. >
  
  In my area where people are financially well, and most work from home (tech workers) - it literally was tons of stay at home moms screaming that "they didn't sign up for this." Literally parents saying they can't stand being around their kids that long and needed breaks. I get it. Kids are work, but come on. They were all posting wine glass toasts and going out for coffee after dropping them off. >
  
  A lot of parents don't seem to want to be parents or are unaware of how hard parenting is. Maybe that's why SNS is such a problem in youth. >
  
  FAKE NEWS! Marge Traitor Queen says COVID is over in the US.
  Who ya gonna believe- doctors and statisticians, or the Neanderthal pushing  Jewish Space Lasers? >
  
  Headline “#1 leading cause of death”.  First line of article, “#8 cause of death”.  CNN is such shit.  Anyone see Don Lemon crying because late night TV made fun of his dumbass outfit from a few weeks ago?  What a bitch >
  
  You're an idiot. For all the reason that everyone else stated. >
  
  that’s not very nice >
  
  Doesn't have to be nice to be true. >
  
  One word: Vaccination