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  ScoMo was super-incompetent on the sub thing. On lots of other things too. He's a bit of a walking travesty.
context: More of a story for Australian and French relations than one about Ukraine sadly, but at least the Ukrainians get some shells out of this modest rekindling I guess. >
  
  Yeah, the amount of shells this project will be making is really quite small. My feeling is that this is both an olive branch from the Aus Labor Government to France and a chance for both the Aus and French Defence industries to begin improving munitions manufacturing. A very big lesson from Ukraine for the world is just how much ammo is used in a modern war. >
  
  It is not modern war, it is WW1 style war. West will end war against Russia in few weaks with massive precision long range strikes destroying their communications, electricity, weapons storage and paralysing logistics. War in Ukraine is far from being modern. It is WW1 with some fancy toys. >
  
  Yeah the big difference is the US and Europe have thousands of combat aircraft including hundreds of stealth aircraft capable of deep penetration through layered air defenses, something neither Russia or Ukraine have. It’s got to the point where conventional cruise missiles can be taken out by some dude with a stinger if they know they are coming too. Stealth is a necessity now. >
  
  Full Transcript Below:
  Australia and France will jointly produce ammunition to be provided to Ukraine, ministers for the two countries have announced in Paris.
  KEY POINTS:
  *France and Australia have signed a partnership to supply ammunition to Ukraine.
  *The meeting comes amid a thawing of relations between Australia and France.
  *Several thousand 155-millimetre shells will be manufactured for Ukraine.
  Foreign Minister Penny Wong and Defence Minister Richard Marles have announced plans for Australia and France to jointly produce ammunition to be given to Ukraine.
  The pair held a press conference in Paris overnight alongside French Foreign Minister Catherine Colonna and Armed Forces Minister Sebastien Lecornu.
  "We are really pleased to be able to announce today that Australia and France are working together in providing supply of 155-millimetre ammunition to Ukraine... to make sure Ukraine is able to stay in this conflict and see it concluded on its own terms," Mr Marles said.
  "It represents a novel co-operation between Australian and French defence industry."
  Mr Lecornu said several thousand 155-millimetre shells will be manufactured, with Australia supplying the gunpowder and French firm Nexter producing the ammunition.
  "This partnership will allow us over time, over the coming weeks and months, to assist Ukraine," Mr Lecornu said.
  The meeting comes amid a thawing of relations between Australia and France following the previous coalition government's decision to scrap a multibillion dollar submarine deal with the European country in favour of nuclear-powered vessels as part of the AUKUS security pact.
  Ms Colonna alluded to the past tensions as she welcomed the Australian ministers.
  "It is the first time that our consultations have taken place at this level - in the so-called 2+2 format - since an incident I shall not come back to," she said. >
  
  Damn. That Sub thing was really a big deal for y'all