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  Some Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest
context: I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal. >
  
  There was at least one. >
  
  He died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all. >
  
  Sheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another >
  
  Rabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go. >
  
  Yeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.
  Helplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do. >
  
  I saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water? >
  
  The muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult. >
  
  Such a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch). >
  
  Which honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus. >
  
  My sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.
  I tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.
  Vaccinate your kids, stupid.
  Edit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus. >
  
  My mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. 
  Anti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today. >
  
  There are 2 types of "ant-vaxxer"
  There are those radically opposed based on "their own research" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.
  It's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important.  We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines. >
  
  My mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’. >
  
  "Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong" >
  
  I’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.
  Both my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.
  One minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while. >
  
  I have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. 
  Faced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.
  I can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's. >
  
  Ohio is always having some sort of drama.  I sure hope they all have good health insurance. >
  
  I’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids. >
  
  Being an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.
  It's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it. >
  
  It's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.
  In California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you. >
  
  Just blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science.   I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being. >
  
  We saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine. >
  
  There was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse. >
  
  I have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags  then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets. >
  
  IMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to  think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious.  Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers.  Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are.  
  It’s prevalent among the entire field though.  Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory.  Very troubling. >
  
  Yep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it.  However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of "I don't want to and you can't make me". >
  
  I'm so tired of the "we did our own research" crowd.
  No, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.
  Doing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.
  You didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled "evidence that vaccines cause autism" or "evidence that vaccines are dangerous" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.
  It's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. 
  It's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better. >
  
  I saw a new one today.  “Use something besides google.”  I assume this means Bing lol. >
  
  YouTube (smh) >
  
  All the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers. >
  
  I remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video? >
  
  I wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles. >
  
  And where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already.  The logic just isnt there >
  
  "Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age."
  This is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated. >
  
  
  All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. 
  
  Of course... >
  
  But consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule. >
  
  Infants are just vulnerable in general. >
  
  Which is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated. >
  
  Yup. 
  It’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. 
  Getting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. 
  Then we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. 
  But now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress. >
  
  I've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the "find out" stage of the antivax "fuck around." >
  
  Partly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people. >
  
  Oprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned "Vaccines cause Autism" shit a platform. >
  
  Loads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).
  The amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary. >
  
  Andrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. 
  The bastard should have been jailed for life imo. >
  
  Once it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world. >
  
  I wholly agree. 
  He did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. 
  Plus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself. >
  
  Pediatric nurse here!!!!
  Get your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).
  These are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun.  You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. 
  I’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️
  Im so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!
  Edit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry!  I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻 >
  
  No, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do. >
  
  Parents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment.  I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their "closely held beliefs" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery. >
  
  I have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time. >
  
  Oh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue. >
  
  Which is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others. >
  
  Except when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.
  Edit:  spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable. >
  
  Some parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away. >
  
  Wasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US. >
  
  “Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem. >
  
  Even the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well. >
  
  If you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it. >
  
  
  Columbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. 
  It so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR
  
  So basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.
  And yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them "plague rats"... >
  
  BuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?
  Fucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it. >
  
  Or there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud. >
  
  With their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you. >
  
  They also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing! >
  
  This was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, "Whole Foods" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID). >
  
  Wouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west. >
  
  Kids don’t deserve it but the parents do. >
  
  Why isn't unvaccination illegal yet? >
  
  It's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.
  Russian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.
  Fewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases