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  “Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.
  But anyway:
  Yes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.
  Plus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. 
  And carriers are far, far from the only factor here.
  They have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.
  They are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month
context: Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! 
  Thanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay. >
  
  In other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia! >
  
  Okay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.
  Russia would get steamrolled by China hands down >
  
  Russia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs >
  
  Can you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible? >
  
  Well first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.
  They've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.
  Bottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is. >
  
  Your final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. 
  While the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side. >
  
  China wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors. >
  
  I don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports. >
  
  The only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? 
  I’m hoping it won’t resort to military force. >
  
  The U.S. is probably gonna be like "Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait."
  Edit: meant CSG not CSN >
  
  Pull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks. >
  
  Kaohsiung* fixed that for you >
  
  Oh no! anyways…💤 
  🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 >
  
  Surprised the carrier even made it to guam >
  
  I’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster >
  
  It absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan. >
  
  It makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has. >
  
  It’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have. >
  
  I mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3. >
  
  Technically 19 and 3 lol >
  
  Eh, I was being nice. >
  
  Lol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more. >
  
  Also true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means... >
  
  Thing is, we don't give a fuck.  China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them. >
  
  China has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance). >
  
  Russia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear >
  
  Well my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this
  Mexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line >
  
  Russian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. 
  The seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever. >
  
  Lol, this guy got Russian mail bride >
  
  Dodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.
  We only date west of Austria now... >
  
  Most Polish women are fine from my experience
  But yeah, you’re right lol >
  
  Eastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized. >
  
  Gotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front >
  
  Bro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. 
  The food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food. >
  
  Tbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣 >
  
  I think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships. >
  
  Hopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way >
  
  You know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base. >
  
  I once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there. >
  
  I was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that. >
  
  Was pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt >
  
  Yeah, sure china. >
  
  This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)
  
  
  China has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.
  Beijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.
  "China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question," it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, "But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations."
  
  
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  I bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them. >
  
  The whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces. >
  
  It's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface. >
  
  Everyone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s >
  
  China should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020. >
  
  
  China has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.
  The Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.
  But Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.
  Chinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.
  
  Aww ... poor "outraged" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally  occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?
  Poor, outraged Beijing.
  Aww ... poor babies >
  
  Xi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries... >
  
  The sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, "the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!"
  Which is, also, hilarious. >
  
  The west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible. >
  
  Yea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it. >
  
  For china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home. >
  
  Maybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics >
  
  Their navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. 
  Three carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.
  One of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels. >
  
  They are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.
  And, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.
  Of course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.
  But we would take damage.
  We cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy >
  
  The Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. 
  It’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.