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  Showing evidence/argument that work ethic isn't correlated with talent would CMV.
  
  this is a tricky stance b/c a lot of it is subjective.  
  
  what if "having a strong work ethic" is a talent in and of itself. the special forces operators talk about this all the time: they aren't inherently talented, but they have a talent for gaining talents quickly. 
  what if i have a terrible work ethic (for things are difficult difficult for me) but the things that i pursue as fun are extremely valuable in the market? i never wash the dishes b/c that feels like work, but i constantly refine my quantum computing theories, (just a made up example). is it really work ethic if i don't feel burdened by the pursuit of the talent? 
  "success" is determined by market demand. today we have professional video game players (either competitively or things like twitch, youtube, etc.). a generation ago the pursuit of these talents was not "work ethic". today, it is / could be considered. the only thing that changed was the market dynamics. >
  
  
  what if "having a strong work ethic" is a talent in and of itself
  
  Only if being able to speak is a talent(not all people can do that). Most people are capable of learning good work ethics.
  
  in the market
  
  Success is not determined by the market. Success is being able to complete your goal. Any goal. You can successfully brush teeth.
  It's just that usually we imply that the goal is supposed do be hard to achieve. Otherwise we wouldn't talk about it. >
  
  I think natural talent can be a helping factor in someone's success, but doesn't necessarily say anything about higher work ethic.
  Someone with learned skill is likely to have built more resilience to their pursuit when they're used to the grind and have practiced the skill for hours and hours, therefore may have spent more time than someone who has it easier. 
  Someone with natural talent could be spooked way more easily when hitting a roadblock in terms of skill, or they could find their lack of challenge monotonous in itself, and it depends on the kind of person they are.
  In various conditions the opposite could be true for both of these, so I don't believe there's any concrete correlation at all, but I can argue that hard work is a valuable asset since endurance when facing challenges is essential for success in work, so it's pretty unreasonable to assume that natural talent = better work ethic. >
  
  
  Someone with learned skill is likely to have built more resilience to their pursuit when they're used to the grind and have practiced the skill for hours and hours, therefore may have spent more time than someone who has it easier.
  
  Yes, but the idea here is that those who have the drive and opportunity build learned skill in the first place are usually also those with talent. 
  
  Someone with natural talent could be spooked way more easily when hitting a roadblock in terms of skill, or they could find their lack of challenge monotonous in itself, and it depends on the kind of person they are.
  
  Ah, that's something I hadn't thought too much about. I've seen people leave a field of study for another because they though their previous field of study was too easy. So in contexts where lots of work is needed but little improvement can be made, it could backfire. That would put a limit in how general of a context I can make that assumption.
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  I haven't actually met anyone who was spooked out by hitting a roadblock before, though. Definitely many more bored people. Also people who were held back because being too far ahead of one's peers causes problems for other people, and ended up losing their passion for the subject...