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  I agree with cats being outdoors being bad. I don't agree with stealing people's cats. Even though the owner is uninformed, losing their cat and not knowing why doesn't teach them to keep their cats indoors.
context: //Prediction.  The Urban/Rural divide on how this opinion is taken will be HUGE.// >
  
  AGreed. Rural-ite here. Our outdoor cats are happy af because they can go to the barns or shed to play around and be curious but then cuddle up at night. >
  
  Again as I said we can safely assume 90% of the opinions here are going to boil down to a POV of either:
  "I live in a dense urban core within walking distance of 3 Starbucks and two hipster vinyl record stores, of course cats should be indoors."
  "I own a 352 acre ranch.  LOL of course cats should be outdoors"
  And not a lot of middle ground. >
  
  Way to start with a false premise. >
  
  Sure it was worded a little in that insufferable "tee hee poke the bear way" that so much internet language uses, but domestic cats allowed to roam outdoors being ecology dangerous is pretty much as much a fact as "water is wet." >
  
  But is water wet? >
  
  If i let my cat out to sleep on the porch like she wants, with a collar on, and someone takes her, is that fair? What about my senior cat who was stolen from my yard, was she rescued? I can only hope they're properly caring for her, but i doubt it. >
  
  I'm so sorry your cat was stolen. 💔 >
  
  I thought cats liked being outside >
  
  No, no. The species clearly evolved inside a 1 room city-appartment. /s >
  
  I just saw thread bashing /s lol. But I assumed most cats wanted to be out thefe >
  
  Safer to post the "/s" to prevent redditors from thinking it was meant serious. >
  
  I will never post /s! I’ll let them think I’m an idiot if it comes down to it. Usually I put ! When sarcastic or condescending lol. >
  
  Look, I get it. I get it risks my animals safety and I get it's not good for the environment. However, my last cat Daisy would never have tolerated being kept inside and never would have tolerated a harness. She was an indoor/outdoor before I adopted her and that's just how she lived. Thankfully I live in a rural area but don't have coyotes close and people are careful about not hitting animals. And also, we all know single use plastics are killing the earth, yet most refuse to get rid of that. And I'm gonna go ahead out on a limb and say that's worse for the environment than my natural pest control. >
  
  I'm not saying people can't feed strays,  just that they are still strays. Also, there are many things that are bad for the environment. This post is just about one of them. >
  
  I never said anything about strays lol >
  
  I live on 15 acres of land. I have an outside dog who stays outside at all times and she is my watch dog. No one is ever brave enough to come on my property and take her. Also, my cat is an outside/inside cat. All animals natural instincts are to be outside so your post is invalid. >
  
  An animal will have been instincts whether or not it’s inside or out. Cats are an invasive species and are known to decimate local wildlife. So much so that you can actually be finded, your animal taken from you, or culling efforts are used in some countries because cats can be that bad.
  Clearly you have the space to allow your cat to run around but not everybody does. It’s irresponsible to freely allow invasive species to just roam around. >
  
  Humans are an invasive species and we just roam around. Using single use plastics, burning down giant forests, all the good and wonderful things that are totally saving the planet! >
  
  That’s cool, doesn’t change what I said. >
  
  Definitely puts it into a different perspective thooo >
  
  No it does not. Every single time you recognize that invasive species exist there’s always that one person that’s like yeah but humans lol >
  
  Except it does lmao. Because people are still choosing to do things that harm the environment. Letting a cat go outside is nowhere near the same effect. >
  
  That’s cool. Still doesn’t change the fact that cats are an invasive species that decimate local wildlife and fuck up the ecosystem.
  Saying “hurr durr so do humans” doesn’t change this.
  If your line of reasoning is that humans should attempt to not harm the environment, that would include not allowing your cat to roam around outside. >
  
  I’m not being obtuse about anything because I didn’t deny anything.
  The conversation is about cats. I’m sorry that when the conversation is focused about something I don’t come out of the woodwork’s with “yeah but did you know that worst things exist?” No fucking shit. Congratulations, you have said probably one of the most mind numbingly obvious things.
  Your point is not productive to literally fucking anything. Humans do things that are bad, wow go fucking figure  lmaoo
  Edit:
  Not them blocking me  lmao >
  
  OP has a valid point about lifespans, but stealing anyone's pet, regardless of how they allow it to live (short of abuse) is just a dumb idea all around. >
  
  
  (short of abuse)
  
  I think that is their argument.  That letting cats outdoors would constitute abuse.  At least if I am understanding the OP correctly. >
  
  The cat people in this comments section are going...feral 
  Hehehehehe >
  
  Your opinion does not make fact. It's an opinion. That's why you posted here. Someone else believes it's ok to have an outdoor cat. Farm cats are a thing, and they do real work. You are not justified in stealing someone's pet over a difference of opinion. That is really fucked up, and I am really curious whose pet you just stole that made you feel like you needed to justify it.
  Take the cat back. It's not yours. You are a thief and kidnapper. Do the right thing here please. >
  
  I have indoor and outdoor cats. One of them is named Ash or we like to call him Mr. Peebody. Can you guess why he is an outdoor cat? He was found by us wild and free and still has that feral spirit, but now he likes to come inside sometimes and sleep by the fire. So you can either force your pets to be miserable indoors or let them choose. If you go around taking others cats, and you've even emitted in another comment that a collared cat is still fair game for people to steal a cat, then no you are not rescuing. If the cat is obviously injured or extremely skinny and doesn't look like people are taking care of it i.e. dirty, then it is a stray. Don't steal other people's cats. >
  
  He's not your cat. He's a wild cat that sleeps in your home sometimes. If someone is willing to take him on full-time, they should. >
  
  Bad for the environment? >
  
  Cats literally drive other species to extinction with their hunting capabilities. >
  
  Examples please?   What about coyotes,  bobcats, snakes?  These are also predatory. >
  
  They’re native and in nowhere near the same quantity >
  
  Rescuing implies it was in danger, which it wasn't. Your opinion is wrong. Environmental issues aside, cats are perfectly capable of living outdoors. >
  
  The life expectancy of an outdoor cat is less than half that of an indoor cat. The danger is neglect. There is no way to care for a cat that is left outside, unsupervised. >
  
  A cat doesn't give a shit about its life expectancy, so why should we? 'Living longer is always better' is something that only humans think. Fact of the matter is that a cat can survive just fine outside. They can handle cold temperatures and instinctively know how to catch food. >
  
  My daughter doesn't care about nutrients. Does that mean she gets cookies and chips for every meal? I live up north, I've heard several stories about people finding their pets outside, frozen solid. >
  
  Your daughter is a human and will presumably care as soon as she's old enough. Do I really have to explain how a human is not a cat? >
  
  No, you don't. >
  
  Why is it so hard for you to accept that an animal would want to be outside? >
  
  Are you "rescuing" streetparked cars too? >
  
  OP may be shocked to find out of cats survived just fine outside in the wild without human assistance before humans ever adopted them as pets.
  Also why is giving my cat the longest life possible the best way to measure its well-being?
  The cat likes being outside.
  Would you prefer to live to 80 and never leave your house or live to 40 and have the freedom to do what you want in life. >
  
  I believe this is just a US thing. Everywhere else pet cats roaming around freely is pretty normal >
  
  I had literally never heard that putting cats outside was supposedly bad until I joined Reddit. >
  
  If a cat has a collar, yeah, you stole it. >
  
  Some cats just prefer being outside. This is how it's been for thousands of years. Kidnapping animals is wrong. My cats like to explore, not stay in the house all day. >
  
  Unpopular opinion, OP is a shithead >
  
  Simply not how it works. Cats are independent, almost every cat loves to go outside and explore. 
  Oh and by the way, about dogs, there are some really big dogs, i have one and when we were 4 ppl living, our house is very small so we just dont fit all 4 and the dog plus the 5 cats.
  Asking for actual curiosity, how does it affect environment >
  
  No, they stole it. The reasoning of the rest of this thread is correct, there should not be "outdoor" cats at all. Like you said, they are predatory animals. All cats belong indoors - no one is arguing that - but regardless of that fact, that title is a lie. >
  
  We had an orange tabby. He would disappear for weeks at a time. One day an elderly couple showed up to our house with the cat. They wanted permission to take him to their beach house in West Palm. They were loaded. Of course we said "yes". He knew which side his bread was buttered. >
  
  How is it bad for the environment? >
  
  I believe a lot of the arguments about cats being bad for the environment are predicated on feline predation of birds, mice, and other small animals.  Not to mention feline urine and feces from cats doing their business outside.  I believe there are some studies to back some of these arguments up, however, I am too lazy at the moment to go looking for them. >
  
  
  but noone mentions that keeping a cat outdoors greatly reduces their life expectancy. 
  
  People who think letting cats roam outdoors is irresponsible mention that all the time. >
  
  Cats pick their own homes. If they’re hanging out at my house or using my dog door to come in, looking for warmth and some food, I’m not kicking them out. I’ve gotten three of my four cats that way. They can leave any time they want. 
  They don’t want. >
  
  If a farmer leaves a cow outside can I "rescue it"? If a person leaves a child at a park to play but I feel that the child is too young to be alone can I "adopt it"? This is not thought out, this is literally just saying that your personal beliefs ought to outweigh my relationship with an animal that I own, no thank you. >
  
  I just find it sad how people put cats outside. I had a cat named Lucy as a child, we found her at a park and we decided to save her. We took her home, but my parents made the poor cat live outside. So in reality we never saved her. In the winter months she would almost die sometimes. >
  
  If someone comes to your property and takes your pet it is the definition of stealing >
  
  I mean, as long as the cat is collared or chipped then I reckon it wouldn't be up for grabs. But it's best to let your cat outside supervised or take it out on a walk! Otherwise, try to keep it inside. >
  
  OP, how are you dealing with the animal shelters noticing a lot of the pets you're bringing in belongs to people? Or are you just keeping them yourself?
  Do they miss their human family OP? >
  
  I don't "deal with shelters" at all. I also don't take in animals. Do they miss their human family? I'd assume a kid would miss their neglectful parents as well, but if the home is deemed unsafe, nobody would suggest they be left there. >
  
  ... so what do you deal with the animals you kidnap 😰? Cause this is starting to sound like a horror movie once you remove those two options.
  And funny thing about saving kids in bad homes ... people with accountability do it, not rando's who disagree with the parenting style.