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  I won't be satisfied until every cop is fired, their pensions siezed, their unions disbanded, and they're added to a public registry so people can show up to their houses and dump garbage on the lawn.
context: Late Monday, the police department said another officer had been relieved of duty. Officials did not give a name or specify what role the officer played in the arrest. In total, seven Memphis officers have been disciplined.
  Also Monday, Memphis Fire Department officials announced the firing of emergency medical technicians Robert Long and JaMicheal Sandridge and fire Lt. Michelle Whitaker in connection with Nichols’ death. 
  
  The tally of those deemed responsible for Tyre's death is growing - as it should. These EMTs stood around shooting the shit with the cops instead of attending to Tyre's injuries. >
  
  Great, now they need to face serious charges, too. Accessory to murder would be a good start. >
  
  They need to? I mean, I agree. And I don't onow your exact context, but some of the cops have already been charged with murder, not accessory to.
  Assuming you meant the EMTs. But negligence may be more appropriate. >
  
  I'm assuming the two other cops were the ones who pepper sprayed themselves during the initial kidnapping and assault of Tyre.
  They should be charged with both violent crimes since we see them beat, pepper spray and taze a completely innocent man.
  They won't be of course, because reform is not the goal here, it's PR. >
  
  Do you think the cops have only been fired or placed on leave?
  Are you SUPER pissed off about this, but haven't taken the time to learn the details?
  Everyone thinks there should be charges. Many are happy, because there are.
  You seem to think there aren't... >
  
  Please show me where these 2 additional cops have had charges pressed against them for assaulting and kidnapping Tyre during the first encounter with him.
  You didn't read what I wrote, had you done that you'd know I wasn't talking about the 5 cops who have been charged. >
  
  Oh I read it. Don't know why you're trying to pick fights with me.
  Only reason I commented, was because your comment alluded to 'no charges will happen because PR'.
  Charges have happened. And they haven't happened for all involved. But at what point are you satisfied with a response? I mean, we should all expect this BS to happen at least sometimes. But most of the outrage people feel comes from a lack of response or accountability.
  If your assertion here is that no accountability is happening, I disagree. If your assertion is more accountability needs to happen - there is still time. I'm not defending cops, or this dept. I'm merely stating that this dept has done more than we normally see, and that should be a breath of fresh air. Of course, no one should be let off easy - but alluding to the idea that no charges have happened, or no appropriare accountability has occurred, is just wrong.
  It bugs me when there is no threshold which someone would find accountability of actions acceptable. Not saying this meets my own threshold, but the implication there is no threshold is a problem.
  But sure. Pick a fight with me because anyone who doesn't validate your opinion is obviously on the other side of the issue... /s >
  
  I didn't pick a fight with you. YOU decided to respond with irrelevant details that I was not discussing. 
  I never said no charges have been filed. That was obvious.
  I never said there was no accountabilty at all. That was obvious too. And your damn right there hasn't been enough accountability here, this didn't happen in a vacuum. You don't shut down the SCORPION unit unless you've realized they've been terrorizing the citizens for years and you won't be able to cover it up anymore.
  I was quite clearly referring to two police officers who have NOT faced accountability for their actions and expressing my opinion that I don't believe they will face charges.
  Either add to that or continue stepping on that rake while you put on your faux victim complex and try to distract that "enough has been done". If that's how you feel, then let's put off this conversation for the next police murder shall we? That's all we will get if we pretend you're making a good point here. >
  
  
  I didn't pick a fight with you. YOU decided to respond with irrelevant details that I was not discussing. 
  
  "I didn't attack you, you CHOSE to say words that MADE me hit you"...
  Worth pointing out here, you replied to my comment, yet you think details regarding accountability actions taken against some officers has no relevance to the situation. You also think that you control the topic of discourse after replying to someone who already established context. Like you walk into a room where people are discussing cookies, and you begin talking about baking. They inform you there wwre talking about digital cookies - and you chastise them for talking about things IREELEVANT to what YOU were discussing.
  
  I never said there was no accountabilty at all
  
  Yes. You did.
  
  I was quite clearly referring to two police officers who have NOT faced accountability for their actions and expressing my opinion that I don't believe they will face charges.
  
  So... more assuming from your end? As the investigation has advanced to where more officers or EMTs are being fired - which may eventually lead to charges - you aren't satisfied because it has happened on YOUR time line? You don't think any investigation is necessary? You think we should simply forego due process, or help, endanger the likelihood other charges wilp stick by possibly charging others involved with charges which may not stick? Don't become a lawyer.
  
  Either add to that or continue stepping on that rake while you put on your faux victim complex and try to distract that "enough has been done". If that's how you feel, then let's put off this conversation for the next police murder shall we? That's all we will get if we pretend you're making a good point here.
  
  After all of your assertion about clearly stating your view, and certain aspects being 'obvious', you default back to accusing me of being on the opposite side of this from you. Faux victim complex? Enough has been done? You are putting words in my mouth in order to justify your own aggression towards me. In order to argue with a sentiment I never expressed.
  You are part of the problem. You are giving this about as much thought as Qanon adherents. The only thing I mentioned here, was that charges have been filed against some. I was under the impression you believed none had, so I corrected that. That is all I did. But you are so agitated, that you can't process this clearly, and you just want to fight with someone and call them a sympathizer.
  Good luck pushing alp your allies away by attacking them when they don't go as polar extreme as you wish. Again, very Qanon-esque. >
  
  It’s great to say they’re cleaning house, but Hemphill’s comments made on his own body camera identify him as a person not psychologically or emotionally suitable for public service.  Even though he was not at the second scene and the fatal portion of the beating, he has self-identified as someone who can’t continue to be a member of the police department.  If you didn’t beat him to death, but were rooting for the ones who did, how can you just go back to your job as a public servant like it never happened? >
  
  The most distinct problem is that even if you assume that "I hope they stomp his ass" is a figure of speech and not an endorsement of beating someone to death or even literally stomping on them, it still demonstrates a systemic problem with police attitudes, that running away from an arrest entitles officers to take physical revenge on suspects once they are detained. >
  
  It's an interesting line where you're culpable enough in a murder to get fired but not face charges >
  
  Charges are coming. They're sitting at home as you read this, sweating their arses off, wondering what they're about to be charged with. >
  
  They might even read your comment >
  
  Yeah. A few weeks ago there was a thread on a literal child killer and I mentioned something that got my comment reported and removed. Like who the fuck reports that. >
  
  
  after he was pulled over on suspicion of reckless driving.
  
  Great job perpetuating this fucking bogus lie Adrian Sainz. Really fucking cool >
  
  That sounds bullshit to begin with. "Suspicion" of reckless driving means the officers hadn't witnessed it. >
  
  The chief of police admitted they found no evidence of reckless driving when reviewing body cam and street surveillance videos. >
  
  Although genuinely then, why did they pull him over?  Did they know him and have a history with him?  Did they randomly decide to beat someone up for no reason?  Was it one of those times the cops troll for civil forfeiture? >
  
  Internet rumor says nichols was having relations with the ex wife of a cop.  Nichols and ex wife worked at FedEx.   I do not have a source outside of twitter talk, so please dont repeat it as true, but it is relevant to your comment if is. >
  
  What a stupid way to share "facts" 
  "Hey I heard this rumor that actually bloodninja2012 double dog dared them to do it, allegedly. I dont know if it's true but if it is, that's pretty big news. "
  What a fucking joke >
  
  Thats why he called it a rumor and not a fact. There's nothing wrong with reporting rumors as long as you clearly state they are unsubstantiated rumors which the guy you're replying too clearly did. Go take a Xanax and get off social media for the day. >
  
  No, there absolutely is. Because the 40 people who saw that aren't all going to do their diligence and say " I heard some totally unfounded Garbage that says the actually, Mitch580 doesn't know what he's talking about", they're going to say "it's because mitch580 is a dumbass". >
  
  I don't even know what your trying to say now, are you having a stoke or something? >
  
  My point is, rumours, since the dawn of time, have turned into these wild, unsubstantiated tales that everyone believes because people stop mentioning that it's utter Garbage nonsense. >
  
  It's insane to me that so many firefighters and EMTs failed to render aid. We only have volunteer fire departments in my small town and in the surrounding rural communities and it's inconceivable to me that these so-called first responders could be so callous, especially when they were being paid by the city to help the city's residents and seem to have purposefully and willfully failed at their jobs and neglected their duty. >
  
  I've never seen a case of a firefighter or EMT getting arrested or assaulted for trying to render aid, though I can understand their reluctance if that's a common practice. 
  I guess it's just a completely different mindset and experience for first responders in cities as opposed to smaller communities like where I live. I've literally had volunteer firefighters with only basic first aid training sprint down the road with a med kit because they overheard the ambulance being dispatched and figured they could get here faster and do whatever they could to help even though it was well beyond their scope of training, so I couldn't fathom a firefighter ignoring an injured patient. >
  
  No, and it's a shame if police in some places make it hard for other first responders to do their jobs.
  My town only has 2 police officers in their entire department but they work different hours so more often than not the police need the firefighters to help control the scene of car accidents, fires, and police encounters, so they don't have an adversarial relationship with them. That's what I meant by it being different in cities and small towns. The police departments here aren't big enough to alienate the fire fighters or EMTs because they need them, and I guarantee none of the volunteer fire fighters would show up to a police scene if a police officer assaulted one of them for trying to render aid. And since they're volunteers instead of being paid, no one can really make them respond to a scene. >
  
  I'd say most places buddy. A town with two police officers is darn small or understaffed. >
  
  Is it standard procedure for an emergency service technician to remain in the vehicle? I didn’t see the article mention what, if anything, will come of the ambulance driver. >
  
  *engine driver
  From my reading of the article, a fire department engine, carrying 2 EMTs, an officer (Lieutenant) and a driver arrived first. The driver stayed with the engine (around my area, which is NOT Memphis, that would be standard procedure in most cases—in case the engine needs to be moved in a hurry or we need additional equipment run out to the patient in a hurry). Apparently, the officer also stayed with the engine (not sure why she stayed with the engine as around here that would NOT be standard procedure, though sometimes the third person will drag their feet for a couple of minutes to see what equipment the 2 guys inside radio out for. 27 minutes is way longer than a standard “feet dragging”)
  I’m guessing that’s why there are 3 people from the FD in trouble—the two EMT’s for not adequately assessing the patient, and the officer for staying in her chair for nearly a half hour. The driver is probably safe from any disciplinary action as he probably wasn’t expected to get out unless called for. >
  
  Thanks! I appreciate your perspective >
  
  Alot of misinformed people in here so let me give the run down of facts I've seen people getting wrong as well as give some context: 
  
  
  There was 2 groups of EMTs. One helped and the other didn't. The fired ones were the ones that didn't. 2 black and 1 white. 
  
  
  The beating occurred at a 2nd scene. Basically original pull over occurred and Tyre fled. That's the first scene where the white officer was. 
  
  
  The 5 officers who beat him to death at the 2nd scene were all black and have been fired and charges are coming. 
  
  
  Charges for the EMTs found at fault and fired might be coming so be patient. >
  
  They’re cleaning house. >
  
  This is how it should be.  Maybe real change is happening now.  It's slow, but hopefully steadily increasing. >
  
  This is one of the cleanest cases of brutality. So much video, audio, victim was not combative at all, and police took turns pummeling him. It would be difficult to conceal the evidence if people began looking into it. Unfortunately not many cases are this clean cut. >
  
  Let us know when there’s charges . That’s what really matters . >
  
  5 officers have been charged with Murder.  
  Memphis Fire EMTs have really limited scope depending on who's there (like, extremely limited, they cannot give oxygen without asking a ALS or doc on call without permission) and no 'special relationship' exists until such time as the assistance required is within their scope.  At most, the EMT's will be fired because they failed to follow protocol, but that isn't criminal, even if morally reprehensible.  If they were actually just EMTs as stated, there's almost assuredly nothing they could have done anyway within their scope or training or competence. >
  
  Paramedics are very different from EMTs.  Paramedics have a scope of practice when they are on a unit, and working under a doctor (who signed off on that scope.)  EMTs may work under a Paramedic and assist the paramedic at their direction.  EMTs really cannot operate independently.
  In Tennessee, an EMT has 8 weeks of training and consists of CPR, first aid, basic procedure, and minimal actual medical knowledge.
  A Paramedic course is ~2 years at the upper end of 'part time' and expects a fair bit of experience beforehand, and actually has anatomy and physiology, medications and procedures, cardiology, etc.
  ETA:  Just verified their licenses, One was an EMT, one was an AEMT.  Neither was a paramedic, so neither had any scope of practice in Memphis that they can do on their own under the city's treatment plan.  These guys honestly feel like sacrificial goats. >
  
  
  EMTs really cannot operate independently.
  
  That really depends on location. I'm completely unfamiliar with Memphis protocols, but in my neck of the woods, paramedics never even see most EMS patients because the majority of calls are handled purely by EMTs. >
  
  In Tennessee, EMTs are so limited in scope by law that state law was recently amended to require level 1 emergency providers to run ONLY ALS equipped ambulances with a paramedic and an EMT.  Even level 2 requires 90%+ to be a Paramedic and EMT.  Level 3 and Level 4 allow an EMT and an AEMT, but I don't see Memphis fire being level 3.
  Basic transport (AKA hauling dialysis patients around) has a little more leeway.  But EMT and AEMT only units are phasing out because ambulance services like being paid, and Medicare and Tenncare are mandating paramedics be on a certain percentage of transports now. >
  
  Sounds horrible.
  (I'm a big fan of a tiered system; save ALS for patients who are actually sick sick.) >
  
  Everyone who was there standing around needs to be fired and possibly charged. >
  
  I get how the EMTs could be in a tough spot here.  You've got a gang of assholes that just beat a guy to the point where he's going to die, of course you'd be worried that if you tried to save that guys life they'd start attacking you too.
  But on the other hand, that's your job, literally your entire job.  If someone, even the cops, are preventing you from doing that, then you need to call 911 and get someone who will stop them.  Not just stand around shooting the shit with the murderers. >
  
  Did anyone report what they saw after or did they all just go home after? >
  
  The police report says that Nichols was a suspect for an aggravated assault (guess the suspected of reckless driving wasn't good enough), and lists one of the cops as a victim.
  Any EMT who didn't want to go along with this would have taken his phone out and been livestreaming it to a lawyer. >
  
  So they were going to charge him, had he lived, for the injury the cop sustained while kicking him. Typical. >
  
  Excuse the ignorance but why were the EMTs fired? >
  
  They arrived on the scene and did jack shit for 24 minutes after the beating ended >
  
  They did put gloves on and move their bag around several times. Might as well have been baiting Nichols with it. “Hey you see this? Want first aid?!  Just kidding”
  Fucked up. >
  
  those EMTs should be charged too if they haven’t already been. gross negligence >
  
  Don't worry, some other PD will hire them and they'll repeat the cycle of violence on a smaller scale. Or maybe worse. >
  
  they need to fire/arrest the white cop as well. there is video of him early on tazing him and saying to beat his ass. instead they giving em a pass treating him different than the other cops
  also i read today that there is no evidence to support the cops excuse fo stopping him. that instead it was hit because he was boyfriend to one of the cops ex wife. so when they spotted him they wanted to give him a beating just for this. there is report that the cop called his ex wife during the beating to show her what they had done to her boyfriend.
  we need more videos to come out. the whole thing.
  we also need to cops ex wife to give testimony and the cell phone company to give any evidence of communications during that time for al the cops. >
  
  
  that instead it was hit because he was boyfriend to one of the cops ex wife. 
  
  Where are you seeing this? I'd like to see a link if you can remember where you saw it and share please. >
  
  It’s just a rumor with no reliable sources. People need to stop spreading it until it’s actually confirmed. This is how misinformation starts >
  
  as with ulvade police control everything. they have not released everything they have. like the conversations going on over the radios. eventually it will come out.
  they are there to protect their own. not the community. we saw that in uvalde. so with the politicians.
  we need to original videos where the cops say he was not driving right. ok so where are the cop car videos of it showing him not driving right.
  also where are the cop car conversations of when they first saw him.
  also any 3rd party videos of anyone who saw and recorded the event. even some news report saying he only fled after they beat him and tazed him and would not stop. so it was two different events.
  anyways i cant wait for the raw feeds to come out. hopefully as with uvalde there will be family, community and national/international pressure to get the stuff out inspite of police trying to protect their own
  i read today they gave investigation of white cop to another cop that had problem with child porn and that the current chief of police helped that cop get away with his problems now hes there to help her back with her problem. so how can you put someone to head investigation with conflict of interest and debt. anyways hope there is 3rd party investigation of all the cops that made public >
  
  You keep saying "I read today" without providing your sources. This is how rumours and misinformation are spread, which takes the focus off the truth.
  
  Edit - I see you posted a bunch of links that don't support anything you are saying >
  
  I wonder if it will ever get to the point where police, fire, and EMS will be replaced by robots to avoid situations like this one. >
  
  Fire needs to be entirely divorced from EMS and funded as a third factor First Responder. Firefighters gain most of their money on the fact medical calls make up a principal number of call responses and by aucking up EMS duties get to assign a large portion of cash to their personnel, who are mostly certified, but many have a Fire First mentality. >
  
  It's primarily divided in Memphis, as private ambulance services handle most calls.  Almost all hospital to hospital transports, and a LOT of 911 calls are handled by private services like med-care and arcadia.  Calls for MVAs and calls directly from police, as well as fire calls, go to MFD. >
  
  Sounds like Memphis firefighters have a nice racket. >
  
  Pay is shit, 18/hr during training, 13/hr after training, 18/hr year 2.  Maxes out at 20/hr after 4 years.  If you suck enough rod, you can get sent to lateral school and get that fat pay boost to 27/hr.  a 4 year degree gets out 8%.  Woo. >
  
  Damn. That sounds like rural southeastern USA public service, not a major metro. >
  
  They are going to end up having no officers left. Which at this point will probably make the city safer, sadly. >
  
  Another day in America. 
  Your country is so fucked. >
  
  "Greatest country in the world"