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  Oh the murderers lied about the murder they did?
context: Yeah. So is murder but they did that anyways. >
  
  Thus proving conclusively murder control laws do not work >
  
  To prevent bad guy with a murder, you need a good guy with murder.
  But seriously, this 0 accountability is very big problem, and nobody wants to tackle it politically. >
  
  maybe, laws are not about just preventing crime but holding people accountable once they do... crazy idea. I know.
  There is no law that prevents anything 100% of the time.
  Gun nuts always focus on CriMINAL DOnt FollOW Law" - duh... but without the law, there would be no crime, thus no process to even hold them responsible.. >
  
  Correct. Mostly cops will arrive after the crime and rarely will there be active crime in progress.
  So it is more that laws set consequences for committing crimes. 
  There are some laws that prevent crime 100% time. For example, no witches have been caught flying on their broomsticks higher than 150m in Swaziland.
  But in USA there is no external panel evaluating crimes done by police. >
  
  Well, colour me surprised >
  
  Just normal eye witness reports will be ignored as well.
  The following is my own personal anecdotal evidence and experience but it stuck with me because of how bad a simple accident was handled.
  I was behind a lady who ran into a guy who ran his red light at full speed. The cop that arrived was on something, her eyes kept popping out. I was the witness and who called the police.
  A week later the lady who I was the witness for texted me and explained the police officer never wrote my eye witness statement down so it was a “no fault” situation for both drivers since the police could not verify who was the cause of the accident.
  We went to the station and had the supervisor review the dash or body cam, and wouldn’t you know it I was on it since the damn cop parked right behind me and I explained who was who in the accident before she even talked to the people involved.
  Another week later and the victim texted me again saying the police officer had submitted a reviewed report that still excluded me. Three weeks later and being twice to the station and she finally gets the correct report.
  Luckily for her I had already talked to her insurance right after the accident as well, so they knew there was an eye witness to the whole situation. >
  
  When you think about it, a big part of police work is the report writing. The issue is the people hired to be police officers are typically not the best academically. We are lucky they are able to get some of the facts right in a coherent manner. 
  Also, they just don’t care if it’s right or not. They have no stake in it being right and won’t get reprimanded if it’s wrong. >
  
  Exactly this.
  Actually watched an interesting documentary about German police training and the initial candidate testing was fascinating. Not only did they have to pass a basic physical but also a written part where if you had too many grammatical errors you automatically would fail and would could reapply the next year.
  It was interesting because of what you said: they do have to fill out a lot of reports. >
  
  Makes me wonder:  how many smart, mentally healthy people pass on bothering to become a cop because they know they’ll have to deal with corruption, at worst, or incompetency, at best? >
  
  They don’t get a choice. The ~~Supreme Court~~ ruled that it’s ok for police departments to exclude smart candidates  
  Edit: Added correct court attribution and fixed grammar/spelling >
  
  Do you have a little more background on this? >
  
  Damn!  This is an old article though.  I’m curious to see if anything has changed since then.  For better or for worse. >
  
  No it has not changed. They want dumb cops. >
  
  Wait just one fucking second here are you trying to tell me the cops lied? >
  
  No this can't be true.  They always tell the truth and do the right thing >
  
  oh wow no shit? Do you think the cops lied?  /s >
  
  No no no. 
  Either a liberal conspiracy to make the blue heroes look bad, or it was the intern.    
  Maybe both.
  More serious, by now even the most ardent "Law and Order" proponent must realize that the current Police system is fundamentally broken. This simply can't be fixed by firing the few involved persons.  
  For me the worst is, apart from Mr. Nichols death of course, that NOBODY on the scene tried to stop this. NOBODY. Those are not just a few bad apples. >
  
  It doesn’t. I was talking to my mom about this just yesterday and she was like “but not all cops are bad”. No mom but the system is fundamentally broken so yes all of them are bad. >
  
  
  Martin’s attorney, William Massey, said “no one out there that night intended for Tyre Nichols to die.”
  
  Jesus how is that even a defence? "Well you see, we didn't expect him to die, we just expected to beat thr shit out of an innocent man for no reason, then blatantly lie about it on our reports and get away with it." 
  They fully expected to just make up a bullshit story on their reports and get away with it, which tells you they've done this before. The fact that he did die in this case, and there happened to be a pole camera capturing it all, is the only reason we know the truth. >
  
  It’s an attempt to claim it was not a “knowing killing of another” which is required for 2nd Degree Murder in TN. It’s absurd and won’t work. But that’s the idea behind it. >
  
  I think the real news would have been if it was accurate. >
  
  Meanwhile on the front page of Fox News, San Francisco's police union decries a pizza shop employee for being a big meanie head toward its officers and demands an apology for such "shameful and hateful actions."
  ... gotta cover the truly important stories on the state of law enforcement in America. >
  
  Something similar happened in Knoxville TN when a teenager allegedly refused service to officers. There was a big stink and the kid got fired >
  
  The fun part is, the teenager that got fired had someone else serve the police because it was the end of her shift anyway; but the Knoxville PD immediately jumped to 'SHE HATES COPS AND REFUSED TO SERVE US' just because they had previously killed her brother. >
  
  I knew things would get nutty when they elected a WWE superstar to be their mayor >
  
  county mayor. the city of knoxville elected a liberal lady to be mayor. i've been at a conference where both were speaking briefly. both have great presence but kane is an impressive wall of a man. huge and solid. >
  
  Murderers are dishonest, who would have thought >
  
  This is pretty standard.  First police reports of abusive incidents rarely match video evidence. 
  What needs to end is the practice of allowing police to edit their official reports to match the video evidence.
  Does this incident sound familiar:
  "Two officers arrived and located the suspect, a male believed to be in his 40s, in his car. He was ordered to step from his car. After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. Officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to Hennepin County Medical Center by ambulance where he died a short time later."
  You've probably heard of it.  It's the official police report of the death of George Floyd. >
  
  
  First police reports of abusive incidents
  
  Why would we think it's limited to only abusive incidents and not ALL police reports? I would hope defense lawyers make it a standard practice to challenge the integrity of every police witness and police reports. >
  
  They need to pick their battles.  You need to keep the judges and juries on your side. >
  
  When people talk about “the system”, situations like this showcase those problems the best. Yeah it makes sense to question law enforcement given all the times in recent years we’ve discovered police murders that were covered up by false reports…but if you push too hard or gain a reputation to being adversarial to law enforcement then it will typically only end up hurting your clients in the long run because you sound overly biased in a system which starts at a default position of glorifying law enforcement and their testimony.
  It’s like the conundrum of being called to jury duty on a case involving the death penalty. If you say that you don’t support the death penalty then you will likely be kicked doff the panel for cause because it shows an unwillingness to follow the law as written. Even if the problem is as obvious as daylight, you have a solid constitutional argument, and multiple example of the wrong person being killed you are seen as a bigger risk to a functioning justice system than someone who will decide to kill a man just because they didn’t like the defense lawyer’s tie. >
  
  They were on camera fabricating a story. We knew they were going to fabricate a story. This isn’t surprising. >
  
  This should come as no surprise to anyone. It shows that police reports aren't the truth and yet they use them in a court of law as the absolute truth. Anyone serving a jury should now scrutinize every police report that comes their way until they see body cams or video
   that correspond to what is written . If not, the judge should find them not admissible in court. >
  
  In what jurisdiction is a police report admissible evidence. In my jurisdiction an officer can use it to refresh their recollection while they testify, but the report itself is inadmissible both as hearsay and best evidence rule. >
  
  All cops are lying pieces of shit. >
  
  Well, cover me in eggs and flour and bake me for forty minutes, this is a surprising turn of events. >
  
  Can I actually roll you in flour, then egg, then flour again, then egg, then flour/breadcrumb mixture with some of the egg wash flicked in to make little craggies and then fry for 10 minutes and serve with ~~remoulade~~ an array of dipping sauces? >
  
  Huh, you may have just upped my frying game. >
  
  I thought I knew all there is to know about the frying game >
  
  If it's just "a few bad apples" then why are we having to throw them out by the bushels >
  
  Love how the original phrase was something like, "one bad apple spoils the whole barrel", since rotting apples give off more ethylene gas which causes the other apples nearby to ripen/rot faster and also host mold which can easily spread to the rest.  It's pretty funny how all these people claiming there are just a few bad apples among the cops don't really understand what their metaphor actually describes. >
  
  I blame The Osmonds
  One Bad Apple (don't spoil the whole bunch, Girl) >
  
  Always knew there was something weirdly unnatural about them. >
  
  That was the incest >
  
  That’s because the police lie about everything and should never get the benefit of the doubt as they so often do in the court of law. >
  
  Wait woah, are you telling me the cops fucking lied??? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you 😐 >
  
  A Police Officer lied on an official report, I can’t believe that would happen. 😏😏😏 >
  
  This is a common occurrence, it's also why Police Unions fought against body cams so hard. >
  
  The police lying? Say it ain't so! >
  
  The police as usual found no wrongdoing in the police's actions.
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