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  This is abhorrent and will only be used to exploit poor people and it's not really consenting, more like coercion.
context: This is your reminder that the 13th Amendment banning slavery makes an exception for prisoners.  
  If/when they send you to prison, you are a slave.  This is how they get away with 'paying' you $1 dollar for a day's labor. >
  
  Here’s your pay for assembling shelving we will use in our government buildings.  Oh you want to call your mom this week?  I’ll takkkke that right back. Thanks. >
  
  It's obscene and absolutely soul-crushing to realize that we're all potential slaves to the state. >
  
  If you want to prevent this from happening, sign up as an organ donor (organdonor.gov) and put yourself on the registry for bone marrow transplant donation (bethematch.org) >
  
  Larry Niven wrote a series of novels exploring this idea. Eventually even jaywalking becomes punishable by death because everyone wants organs in the banks >
  
  Ah. I didn't think the 2001 Dreamcast classic 'Headhunter' would be the dystopian route we took but here we are. >
  
  ORGANS?  Right out the blank? In dystopias you at least get some slippery sloope to get there, like donating blood or something >
  
  This would be unethical and highly suspect even if you could trust due process in the courts and in law enforcement.  And you'd be a fool to trust those things.  A fool with only one kidney. >
  
  Ah yes, because no dystopian future novel has ever started with "and then the government started to harvest organs from prisoners" :/ >
  
  It’s literally Unwind by Neal Shusterman, I remember the big bads were trying to get a bill to make prisoners go through the unwind process. >
  
  The true goal has arrived.  The merging of the criminal justice system and the private healthcare market.  These laws will pop up and jails will become the plasma donation centers of body organs. >
  
  As a haemophiliac who was lucky to be born two decades after the infamously terrible blood plasma donation scandal (here in the UK) - this sounds like a terrible idea. >
  
  Nobody questioned how Steve got his 100 years sentence reduced to just 5 after donating 10 kidneys, four lungs and 20 corneas. >
  
  An eye for an eye….or something. >
  
  This just shows that our punishment system has nothing to do with keeping the public safe, or Justice for that matter. >
  
  This is so unethical, I honestly can’t believe an actual person put this forward. Someone should check on whoever proposed this because they have no soul. >
  
  The guy touting it is Carlos Gonzales, a Democrat who says it's to help Black and Latino communities who are statistically more at risk for organ failure. 
  Which uh, I dunno chief. That's pretty flimsy. >
  
  It’s incredible flimsy. Why not just address the cause for black and Latino communities having higher levels of organ failure. By that logic it’d be okay to eat prisoners to help the hungry. >
  
  You might not want to give him ideas. >
  
  The trick will be to get them while they're fresh. I imagine that after a few months in prison, those organs won't be very good for anything >
  
  So, body snatchers? >
  
  So, it's the "permanent detention" option from the Simpsons. >
  
  Here have my left nut. >
  
  Not sure where this bill came from. Didn't see anything from healthcare or inmate advocacy groups from either of the bill's sponsors. I already asked my rep to have this withdrawn. >
  
  The guy touting it is a democrat claiming it will help black and latino communities which is certainly a reason.   
  I get the feeling this is more a political stunt than an actual bill he wants to get passed. >
  
  This country is getting unlivable >
  
  Imagine putting good citizens before violent criminals.
  What kind of society would even think that's ok? >
  
  Oh yeah, because the "good" citizens should never, ever worry about the ethics of how we treat "bad" people. It's totally not a cause for alarm if we treat the worst of us like they're not actually people anymore or anything. /massive sarcasm >
  
  It's a great deal, but it's going to need a lot of oversight to avoid coercion
  Edit: see u/airlewe's comment below regarding the government's estimation of the value of human life. This deal may actually not be so great. >
  
  It’s not a great deal. You get, at most, a reduction of one year. >
  
  Yes. A year in prison. Methinks you underestimate exactly what that can mean to an incarcerated individual. >
  
  You’re missing the point. For what’s being given up, prisoners deserve FAR more than a year off their sentence. This is the worst type of exploitation. Worse than slavery. They’re banking on desperation to drive people to sign up to be organ farms. It’s… dystopian doesn’t even describe this. This is so far past unethical. >
  
  
  You’re missing the point. For what’s being given up, prisoners deserve FAR more than a year off their sentence.
  
  Fine, what's the FMV for an organ, in your opinion? 
  
  They’re banking on desperation to drive people to sign up to be organ farms. 
  
  Hence my comment regarding strict oversight. I see absolutely nothing wrong with allowing people to voluntarily leverage what they possess. >
  
  
  voluntary
  
  To imply that this is a fair and free exchange is INCREDIBLY dishonest. These are literal prisoners. The dynamic is inherently imbalanced. If you’re driven to do something by an external force (being imprisoned), then you’re not truly entering into an agreement freely. If you enter into an agreement out of desperation, there is no fucking way you can use the word voluntary to describe that.
  Kidneys are about $262,000 though >
  
  
  If you enter into an agreement out of desperation, there is no fucking way you can use the word voluntary to describe that
  
  So poor people shouldn't be permitted to sell plasma because they're "entering the agreement out of desperation"? 
  
  Kidneys are about $262,000 though
  
  Which equates to.......what? Honestly, give me your estimate on years behind bars. >
  
  Actually I don't have to give personal opinion here. The US government officially considers the average life to be worth $10,000,000. Why do we have this number? It's complicated, but mostly for insurance purposes. If we take the average US life expectancy of just under 77 years at time of writing, that makes each year worth almost $130,000. So, by the governments own valuation of a human life, prisoners are being treated as worth less than half of a person. This "offer" is exploits people for at least 50% of their worth.
  Whereas selling plasma is safe and actually decent money. You take out plasma, it grows back. Kidneys don't. >
  
  
  Actually I don't have to give personal opinion here. The US government officially considers the average life to be worth $10,000,000.
  
  That is fascinating and I had no idea, thank you for sharing. And you're right, the fact that the government has an official estimation and values the organ tradeoff the way they do makes this way sketchier.
  Thank you for doing the legwork on that. >
  
  No thank you! I love doing the math on problems like these and if we hadn't talked I wouldn't have been driven to do this math. I didn't know half of this when we started >
  
  EDIT 2:    TLDR: It Would be nice if more non-prison people would become  organ donors. No prisons shouldn't use it as a means to release people early and force them to always be organ donors. Shame there is no incentive by government (tax credit or something) to become one.
  Honestly more organ donor's would be awesome. 
  The proper method for getting more would be a government give a tax credit for being one. i.e here is 500 for being willing to donate and save lives. Would just need to work on rules/regulations to prevent folks changing it in last part of the year for it and then removing it after tax season ends.
  Edit:  Please note Im not saying to use corecion or to "force em" just  said the idea of more organ donors would be great. That is all. forcing anyone to do anything they dont want to is bad mkay? >
  
  Coercion is bad. >
  
  Inherently, there are ethical concerns when it comes to selling organs because people could be financially coerced into donating an organ. The same concept applies in this scenario.
  Also, I didn't downvote you. >
  
  Sorry Reddit, but this atrocity was proposed by a democrat: State Rep. Carlos González
  This is disgusting and he should be laughed out of the building. >
  
  Is anyone on here defending it because it was proposed by a dem? Nope. Only one party in the  US has a large group of radical loyalists that put their party and leaders over country to the point of violence and domestic terrorism. And it isn’t the democrat party. 
  If a dem has a dumb idea, laugh them out the building. Vote them out. If an elected dem breaks a law, prosecute them. No one is above reproach or above the law. >
  
  Right, right, I was just interrupting the liberal circle jerk that is Reddit. >
  
  You're not interrupting anything. The comments are overwhelmingly against this, and considering Reddit's demographics they are likely to be majority liberal.
  Try verifying that the thing you're calling out actually exists before making an embarrassment of yourself. >
  
  Why unethical? It’s a choice. >
  
  Because most people are going to choose to wrack their bodies and risk death to get out of literal prison, and the sentences will be inflated af to get to that result and with an already incredibly broken system, you can't see the prison profit pipeline branching out and find8ng myriad ways to profit from this? 
  What choices do you really have when you are in prison? >
  
  They can get a maximum of a year off their sentence for a kidney. Look up the prep and healing and recovery for donating a kidney. This is preposterous. >
  
  The prison time will cut itself dramatically if the right organs are donated. >
  
  Wilfred Killowitz, the kidney snatcher, is happy with this arrangement. >
  
  And if I am in prison and I can afford to buy an organ from some other inmate, do I get credit?  Might as well turn all prison sentences into fines.
  Or I threaten my cell mate with death or organ donation, do I get credit? >
  
  The bill is being submitted by Carlos Gonzales, a Democrat who's attempting to claim that the bill will help support Black and Latino communities, who have been statistically and historically effected by Organ failure.   
  Which uh, Is certainly a reason that sounds like it's from the Onion by by god it's his reason. That being said, I am confident in stating this is mere political theatre. It's either a stunt to get his name around or otherwise something he'll reveal to have been satire for reasons beyond my mere mortal comprehension.   
  I'm going back to bed. >
  
  Actually, he isn't entirely wrong. Some transplants do need to be as close as possible to someone's genetics, which means that POC can have a harder time finding transplants. 
  I just feel like this will have the opposite effect. It would be better to have educational campaigns and work with local community leaders. >
  
  On it's face I don't think this is horrible.  Organs are in short supply, people want to get out of prison sooner.  It's only in the context of, or belief that, the government will then create even more ways to go to prison and increase the amount of time served for most (if not all) offenses.  I don't actually believe this would be the case, but I suppose I can understand why many people aren't willing to bet on it. Its sad to me that something that could save a good number of lives isn't instituted because of how much mistrust exists in the system.  Sadder that it's probably justified. >
  
  This system would lead to poor people who can't afford the lawyers to keep them out of prison donating organs to wealthy people.  
  That's the morally repugnant part. >
  
  This is actually sickening.