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  Then dozens of cleaners should be hired
context: Ima have to agree with this, some places definitely do a better place than others, my buddy once had an emergency and we were next to a subway and they held him up and said he couldn’t use the restroom unless he was a customer so he had to buy a cookie… >
  
  Yeah, that’s just so morally wrong. >
  
  But why? They need to be cleaned afterwards >
  
  That's incorrect. They are scheduled to be cleaned at certain times. That cleaning will happen regardless of whether or not that specific person uses it. So it's not causing any extra cleaning.
  Unless you are claiming that where you live they go and clean them after every single person who uses them? >
  
  Okay than… water use and toilet paper use, maybe the trashcan is getting used. All of that causes extra money >
  
  Only toilet paper use in some situations. And even when relevant, it wouldn't even be a pennies worth.
  Minimal water use.
  Incorrect again about the trash can. A bin being used by 1 additional person does not cost extra money. Again, like the cleaning, the bins will be emptied and collected regardless. The only argument you have here is if literally thousands of non-customers are using the facilities every day. And that just isn't realistic.
  If a company is going to stop someone who needs the toilet from going because it might cost them 1p (or 1c or whatever currency) then it isn't logic dictating that choice, and they shouldn't be defended for it. >
  
  You don’t use toilet paper every time?! >
  
  I'm a guy, so no, not if I'm peeing. Same as every other guy. >
  
  You still should use toilet paper to get rid of little drops 🤷🏾‍♀️ >
  
  What makes you think that? I've never heard of that or seen anyone doing it. And at urinals they don't provide toilet paper for you to do it. >
  
  There used to be better access to washrooms but you can thank the druggies, and sex perverts for their demise. >
  
  This would generally lead to spending a lot of money to have bathrooms built that ended up being too damaged and dirty for most people to use. >
  
  Then they should be cleaned and repaired. We can get the money for it >
  
  Would you want to clean them? >
  
  If I was paid enough yeah >
  
  Youd be the one  whos paying yourself....... bcuz your the taxpayer.
  Whats your next genius move? raise the minimum wage to $500 an hour so we can all be rich? brilliant!
  Man I swear some people just dont get it and never will >
  
  So every government employee doesn’t “get it”? Or do YOU not “get it”? Or are you just trolling? >
  
  As someone with IBS-D,  I’ve wondered why there aren’t more rest areas or just public restrooms in general. Especially since Covid and fast food places going drive thru only and gas stations don’t always have bathrooms, sometimes it’s a really big struggle for me. I’ve never had an accident but it’s stressful when I’m out and can’t find a public bathroom. >
  
  Yeah I was going to include the Covid bit here but it got automoderated for having the word Covid. 
  The amount of washrooms closed during Covid was a catastrophe for garbagemen, delivery drivers, and of course people with IBS. it was just plain discriminatory at that point you know? It’s like people don’t have empathy for others if it pertains to washroom issues. People here comment stuff like “why not just hold it until you get home” >
  
  Uhh they would be disgusting. The homeless people would most likely sleep in them and they would smell horribly >
  
  … then the homeless should have somewhere else to sleep >
  
  Why do think they're called "homeless" in the first place? >
  
  I think they mean homeless shelters should be more prominent.  Homelessness is a problem that is routinely pushed to the side instead of being remedied, i.e governments put stuff out to keep homeless people away (obstructions on benches to stop them from sleeping) rather than help them find somewhere to go. >
  
  Do some reading on why the homelessness problem is so difficult to solve. It’s not just building people houses. >
  
  Wasn't proposing there is a magical simple fix, I'm saying governments are barely doing anything to try and are actively making their lives worse. >
  
  Cities are spending literal billions of dollars every year trying to help the homeless. San Francisco spends over a million dollars a year on every single homeless person living there.
  Don’t let compassion get in the way of better judgement. The lengths this country goes to in order to help the homeless is insane. Yet people see benches designed to stop homeless people from sleeping on them and think that the city they’re in is actively trying to screw them over when they’re just trying to stop them from ruining the commons area. >
  
  Where are you getting these numbers from?  According to my research, there are about 7,700 hundred homeless people in San Francisco in 2022.  If they were spending $1 million per person, they'd be spending $7.7 billion each year on homelessness.  This number seems high for a city that has a $14 billion budget.  
  To your point though, it's fair to say that governments might be doing more than I thought.  I will research more. >
  
  You’re right, the number I was using was for the total budget of a program, not for one year.
  Still though, San Francisco is spending hundreds of millions of dollars a year on programs for their homeless population, despite that it’s still experiencing some of the most rampant homelessness in the country.
  The issue with “solving homelessness is that it isn’t a problem in of itself. It’s a conclusion of nearly every other problem within society. Any potential solution to one of those legs can easily exacerbate another cause in a completely unforeseen way. It’s the same thing with world hunger. >
  
  So I guess you just shat yourself at a bus stop OP? >
  
  No, my friend did >
  
  Dang.... That's shitty. >
  
  Did you really have to write washroom because I kept reading mushroom lmao >
  
  Tf else would I write? Can’t call it a bathroom cuz there’s no bath in it >
  
  Toilet. Shitter. Lavatory. >
  
  I agree, in San Francisco they have really nice, well taken care of bathrooms all over the city. They have a person who stands outside and "manages it" which is key, otherwise it'll get taken over by gross worthless drug addicts or prostitutes. 
  Yes...I know I said gross and worthless. Try living in SF before you downvote me. >
  
  Every Bus Stop?! >
  
  Stop slapping the term "human right" on everything willy-nilly. It dilutes the importance of actual human rights.
  A developing country that can't supply a bathroom at every bus stop is not committing a violation of human rights. There is no need to waste the UN Human Rights Council's time over it. They do not need to be brought up on charges at the Hague. >
  
  Bus stops??? Those are usually just places on the side of the street. You want port-a-potties? >
  
  Bushes are a human right. >
  
  The European Human Rights Convention and the German Grundgesetz both guarantee you the use of a washroom and use of a washroom can't not be denied.
  There have been law suits hammering out this right in the past. For example a little girl, that got denied a bathroom break during class... >
  
  NYC we are looking at you >
  
  I live in a city with public washrooms and they are horrible. Not just unsanitary but they are a nexus for all kinds of illegal and anti-social behavior.
  The problem is not that people don't care. The problem is a small minority of selfish, ignorant and hateful people ruin anything that's free and nice.
  Our city tries to clean them and keep them functional but it never lasts long. I suppose it's better to at least try but the streets of my city are covered in human feces despite offering exactly what you are talking about. >
  
  As someone with IBS I agree there should be more public toilets. I dont care if they're dirty and smell, I just dont want to shit myself >
  
  We have those in Argentina, government owned public restrooms. We need that here too, specially big cities. >
  
  I think we as a society have completely lost the plot on what constitutes a human right.  A practical necessity/nicety is not a human right.  You're not entitled to public, government-funded washrooms.  Are they nice?  Yes, but they're not necessities.  Plus, in most Western countries there are already washrooms everywhere and in most places you are very rarely going to be in a situation where there are no available washrooms you can run to in an emergency, unless you're out in the middle of nowhere, in which case you can go wherever you want so long as you're not exposing yourself to other people in the process. >
  
  In the places I’ve visited in Europe, publicly available toilets are rare let alone free. >
  
  It depends on where you live.  You have to pay fifty cents for the upkeep of many of them, but they are there, and truthfully, comparing the public washrooms in places like Scotland, Germany, Ireland, and France, where someone is actively there all the time keeping watch/cleaning, to the ones in Canada which are just a free-for-all, I’m all for having to pay fifty cents to use the washroom if it keeps the washrooms clean, maintained, and free of druggie needles and other people’s shit all over the place. >
  
  For those who don’t agree, you can’t get mad at people for pissing and shitting in public then. If you got to go then you got to go lmao. >
  
  If your in the UK you can arrested and/ or fined for that! Rule fucking britannia >
  
  We also used to have council run toilets everywhere. >
  
  They still exist. >
  
  In much fewer numbers. These days you often have to find a McDonald's >
  
  Just because you say something is a human right, doesn't make it a human right. >
  
  Yeah, I hate this kind of thinking. Anything that requires another person's labor can't be a human right. >
  
  Lol, people need to get real with their demands for human rights. >
  
  We as a society decide what constitutes a human right. They aren’t written in the sky. >
  
  If it requires someone else labor then it isn’t a human right >
  
  I take it you’ve never been to Europe. You have to pay to use many of the public restrooms there. >
  
  How does that negate my point >
  
  It doesn’t. Rather it points out that even countries with broader social safety nets (e.g., universal healthcare) don’t consider washroom access a human right. >
  
  
  Washroom access is a human right
  
  No it is not. That is literally just misinformation. >
  
  It’s not misinformation, this is literally “unpopular OPINION” 😂 while ridiculous, it’s clear that this is just a belief and not a fact. >
  
  Something being a human right doesn't mean that it's the government's responsibility to provide said right. >
  
  My problem with everything these days being a "human right" is that most of them now conclude that someone else must provide said right by either their money or labor. >
  
  Ha. Tell me you’ve never had to clean a public bathroom without saying “I’ve never had to clean a public bathroom.” 
  Just one story from my experience working in the service industry for 20 years; a sweet little old lady rushed into the corner store where I was working at the time and begged to use our restroom- it was an emergency- and even tho I’d been warned not to let ppl use the bathroom (employees only) I was like omg but she’s old, it’ll be fine, go right ahead. 
  Bruh… still to this day I have NO IDEA how she managed to shit on the ceiling… but she did.
  And we didn’t know why- was she sick? Was it contagious? No one went in and discovered the mess until she was long gone- and she had just slinked out so much as a “sorry” or “thanks.” 
  Either way I wasn’t getting paid enough to clean up raw human sewage so moving forward I had a choice; send the ones who ask away or accept the possible risk of cleaning up their unapologetic diarrhea explosion …. for $8/hr. 
  OP, what would you chose?
  Public Restrooms deff sound like a basic human right- but what about the basic human rights of those who would have to clean them? >
  
  I don't understand how people shit on the ceiling or across the room. It's purposeful and you won't convince me otherwise. >
  
  Human rights this, human rights that. Are you gonna take care of the washroom? Gonna clean the highly infectious fecal matter off the walls every day? Clear out unstable and posibly dangerous people every day? It's fine for you to sit here and expect others to deal with the problem, but at least be honest about the problem >
  
  Yeah I would clean it actually. Just gotta be for the right price >
  
  The "right price" is more than the government  is willing to spend, i assure you. >
  
  Depends on the government I guess >
  
  Nice to have? Yes. Human right? That's a bit much. >
  
  If prisons had no washrooms, I’m sure there would be protests for their rights. The same applies in a free society where accessibility is a key factor. >
  
  When the government is already this bad, you really want them to provide and control washroom access? Oh, lordy. >
  
  It's not a human right. Just go before you leave and keep an eye out if you need one. Most shops have a toilet anyway >
  
  In my experience big cities often do not have restrooms available to customers. I may not have to shit before I leave the house but 4-8 hours later is a different story. >
  
  Often the place to get a drug fix.  Ugh >
  
  It's a very nice thought that would be horrible in practice. >
  
  It would be that easy if people cleaned after themselves properly which is as much of a necessity as the bathrooms they “should be entitled to” >
  
  I agree but wanted to add that fast food places and stores should not be allowed to have a customers only policy when it comes to using their bathrooms. And all publicly accessible places like stores, restaurants, etc. should have public restrooms. >
  
  you'll notice a lot of places don't have those rules. Pay attention to the places that do - usually in areas with lots of crime and vandalism, or just very high volumes of people. the stores aren't trying to be jerks, they are trying to prevent people from coming in and peeing all over the walls in the restroom they provide to customers. they have to go clean that up. it's not a free service. >
  
  There are (atleast here) washrooms at most public places where people can gather.
  Where I live we have two malls and a train station, both malls and this train station has washrooms.
  Most stores (grocery stores etc.) also have washrooms, but you usually have to ask for access to them seeing as they usually are within the "employee only" zone.
  If you go to bigger cities here in Norway you will find small structures outside which are exclusively washrooms (usually "pod"-shaped). And you'll find washrooms in most buildings.
  The only downside with the washrooms in bigger cities is that they usually have a fee. It's only about $1, but still it sucks that you have to pay for using a toilet...
  But those washrooms are usually cleaner, fancier and better than the fee-less washrooms.
  All washrooms in my city are free, which means that they are usually quite dirty.
  The paid ones in a nearby "bigger" city are usually always clean.
  So you pay for quality I suppose, but there should always be fee-less washrooms aswell IMO. >
  
  So if this became a thing then you would be the first in line to be the one to clean them, correct. >
  
  If I was paid well and had PPE >
  
  and yet more money being spent to accommodate your “right” >
  
  They claim to care enough to help but only if they’re paid. 😂 >
  
  Yeah, because who has time to do this stuff for free? Genius >
  
  Grow up. A lot of people give up everything to go volunteer for international aid groups. Why? Because they actually care and aren’t just demanding someone else fix what they perceive as a problem. >
  
  UK has paid toilets. I'd be happy to pay for a toilet >
  
  I have never been in a place where they turned me away for having to use the restroom. And I've been everywhere man. >
  
  Even Narnia >
  
  I may or may not have peed in a wardrobe, what of it? >
  
  Oh! Than your Peeter! >
  
  They have them in most places and have been shut down because people that live in cities are absolutely disgusting.  Even smaller metros I've been in public restrooms at parks and such and every toilet is crammed full of tp and shit. There's random piles of human shit on floors. 
  It was common. But you nasty city dwellers ruined it for yourselves. >
  
  I live on the west coast of Scotland and the promenade at the seafront has 4 free, council ran public toilets along the 5km route. All of them get cleaned at night and replenished with TP. The largest one near town has two permanent attendants to clean the place and chase out potential drug users n'stuff. TBH, the toilets pay for themselves, as without them the town would get a hell of a lot less visitors during spring and summer. >
  
  According to John Locke or?
  Sounds like you couldn't reach a washroom in time, and you were shamed for the consequences of it, and now you've come online to complain about it.
  huh... >
  
  No, that happened to my friend >
  
  That really sucks. I'm sorry. I hope they don't think on it too much. >
  
  If it's criminal to "go" outside, then yes.
  Decriminalize public defecation! >
  
  Certainly would clean up the streets. Human sanitation is important. I did a thesis on it. >
  
  I’d love to read that >
  
  Think of the Amazon delivery drivers >
  
  I agree. In the event that you can’t hold it and want to avoid pissing or shitting on yourself you will be fined or possibly even arrested if caught no matter how you try to seclude yourself. >
  
  Initially disagreed, but considering it is illegal to do it outside, then yeah, makes sense to be a right. However, this would only apply in countries where public defecation is illegal and punished. >
  
  Traveling for work through rural Ohio one day, I got a bad case of the McGurgles from my breakfast. My digestive tract was in full revolt. I pulled into the only place around, a Hampton Inn, and politely explained my situation and asked the desk clerk if they had a restroom I could use.
  Clerk: ‘are you a guest here, sir? The restroom is for guests only.’
  Me: ‘let me rephrase it: in the next 3-4 minutes, I’m going to shit in this hotel, either in the toilet or your lobby. The choice is yours and the clock is ticking.’
  Clerk: ‘it’s down the hall to the left.’ >
  
  In the Upper Midwest (USA) we have really nice "rest stops" along major roadways that offer clean restrooms, water fountains, vending machines, picnic areas, semi parking, and some even have dog parks, hiking trails, and I've even seen native forest/grassland protection programs offering education on the topic.  
  They are very clean and a person can always rely on them being well managed.  We should look into the setup for those and see if we could expand away from major roads and into towns. >
  
  I absolutely agree. I would even be willing to pay extra taxes for cities to implement more public restroom options. It’s an absolute necessity. >
  
  Counterpoint, they shouldn’t be. Have you seen government depts? Those restrooms would likely be disgusting. Then there’s the assumption that everyone’s clean. Unfortunately that’s not the case. For some reason people blow out toilets and don’t clean up after themselves. 
  Instead, you should tip businesses that allow you to use restrooms, specifically gas stations. More often than not, the guy behind the counter is the one that cleans it up. >
  
  Tipping is NOT the solution here. >
  
  Why not? If the guy behind the counter will be the one to clean your shit streaks off of the toilet bowl, clean your piss off of the floor, sanitize the door handles, and spray febreeze after you blew up their toilet, why shouldn’t you tip them? 
  If you’re not a paying customer, you’re not chipping in towards the costs of maintaining the bathroom, so why should you use it? >
  
  Because you have a need. You’re a human being that needs to be rid of bodily waste. You’re also hardly going to be worse than the people who ARE paying so there’s really no difference. Speaking as someone who’s had to clean up after both genders who are clearly raised in fucking barns. >
  
  We could say the same about everything. I am a human being that needs to eat, so why should I pay the restaurant for my meal? I’m not going to eat any more that people who DO pay, so who cares?! Who cares that the waiter will still provide me a service, who cares that the cooks have to prepare me a dish, who cares that the busboy will have to clean my table just the same. I AM A HUMAN BEING AND I HAVE A NEED. 
  Or maybe we can pay people for providing us with the services we use, even if we are just one person. >
  
  You can not eat for weeks, giving you plenty of time to not eat until you get home, you can hold off on peeing for maybe an hour before it starts getting bad. People have died from holding urine or feces for excessive times. >
  
  Nobody has died from holding in their pee until they get to work, or back home. Do you people not have jobs? Are you just outside all day far from home holding in a turd? Like honestly what are you doing all day that keeps you so far away from work or home?
  Go to the bathroom before you leave your home. There you go, problem solved. >
  
  Ok you can’t die but it’s still very bad for you, and times come up when you’re in a rush to get out or the need to go comes later in the day, etc. >
  
  You haven’t answered my question at all. What are you doing all day that keeps you away from a bathroom that is meant for you for so long. Do you not work? There is a bathroom for me where I work. If you don’t work, what are you doing all day that keeps you away from home? Why are you in such a rush to leave if you’re not going to work? How much of a rush can you be in that you don’t have 12 seconds to take a leak? >
  
  There’s really no excuse for not having publicly available bathrooms for those who need it. Seems to be the same argument for UHC in US: “I’m not using it now so it shouldn’t be a thing for anyone else” >
  
  OP has clearly never seen a public bathroom and how people treat it. They are a cesspool of disease and overall disgusting.