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  Decent colleges now need to announce that AP classes will no longer receive college credit since they are no longer college-level classes.
context: Get on it California and blue states. 
  “We will not offer these watered down exams.”
  Don’t let Florida and Texas lead the way with their terrible educational standards. >
  
  They should also go as far to not accept credits for these studies in states that have stripped away the content like that. >
  
  It's becoming more and more common for colleges not to accept AP credits for major-required classes anyway. >
  
  Even when I was in college 20 years ago (wow I feel old) I mainly just got units for AP credits, but otherwise all it did was allow me to skip a level in a calc class (anybody could skip by taking a test).
  It did allow me to be the laziest college student and take under the unit minimum 3 times while still graduating in 4 years. I learned the hack is to enroll in enough classes, then drop a class after they check unit minimum but before the drop deadline. >
  
  
  anybody could skip by taking a test
  
  This should be the standard anyway for colleges. They provide a test, students either pass or don't pass. 
  That way even if your school doesn't offer AP in a course, you can study up and get your own credits. >
  
  The college I went to did that for foreign languages, but I think that was all. >
  
  Mine did it for foreign languages and math. Foreign language is actually really easy to test, because there's international standards for ranking capabilities. >
  
  I knew people who deliberately bombed language exams so they could go into the beginner stream rather than the advanced stream. It made no difference to the number of units they were taking or the duration of their time studying, it just made their study load easier. That is until they generally shot themselves in the foot by being way too fluent or speaking/writing with regional idioms they couldn’t have learned in the standard language classes i.e. slipping in Milanese phrases with a lecturer/tutor from Milan or dropping Lebanese phrasings in an Arabic class. 
  It doesn’t really change that there should be the option to skip ahead for those who want it, it was just funny watching people fuck up when they thought they’d found a way to make their life easier. >
  
  Yeah I studied french and german in college, spent a year in germany, and coming back had more trouble in my german classes because I wasn't doing things the academically correct way anymore. >
  
  On the first day of Black History Month, the GOP gets it’s wish of watered down American history. >
  
  They’re really trying to erase all history and replace it with propaganda so kids will stop asking why their quality of life is comparably worse than the generation before them and accept fascism as a way of life. >
  
  They’re specifically trying to whitewash Black history though. >
  
  It starts here, not far down the road is education on the holocaust. >
  
  They're already working on that too. We have several holocaust deniers in Congress. >
  
  Putting the "reich" in reich-wing >
  
  
  After heavy criticism from Gov. Ron DeSantis, the College Board released on Wednesday an official curriculum for its new Advanced Placement course in African American Studies —  stripped of much of the subject matter that had angered the governor and other conservatives.
  The College Board purged the names of many Black writers and scholars associated with critical race theory, the queer experience and Black feminism. It ushered out some politically fraught topics, like Black Lives Matter, from the formal curriculum.
  And it added something new: “Black conservatism” is now offered as an idea for a research project.
  
  What a joke. >
  
  So one intolerant asshole gets to dictate the curriculum for everyone. Minority rule strikes again. >
  
  Don't let the College Board off the hook here. They could have stood their ground but decided it was more profitable to perform the censorship some states demanded. It's all about the $$$ >
  
  Time for CA, NY, IL, MA and other blue states to pull out the funding then. >
  
  Exactly. Texas and Florida may have large populations on their own, but the combined populations (and better colleges) of blue states can easily out number that and put a hurting on the College Board and textbook manufacturers. >
  
  Unfortunately Florida has 3 of the top 10 largest ones. >
  
  Texas and Florida combined have only about 100,000 more students than California alone. (2.7 million in FL+TX, 2.6 million in CA). Add in New York and the top two blue states outnumber the top two red states by over a million students. >
  
  And then there's Massachusetts, whose capital is basically 45324 top level universities in a trench coat. >
  
  Cool so we do negotiate with terrorists now >
  
  This wasn't a negotiation but a capitulation >
  
  So one governor out of 50 throws a bigoted Karen tantrum and the College Board acquiesced immediately.  
  That is such an idiotic standard to set based off the ignorance and hatred of one politically motivated white man. >
  
  One Governor made the headline but elsewhere in the article they clarify that the CB is worried about all the other 10+ states that have CRT education bans. It's still stupid though. >
  
  Let em have those states. They should lose CA, MA, etc in return. >
  
  Indeed. If they’re worried about losing sales to bigoted states, states like CA and MA should refuse to carry the watered down, whitewashed curriculum >
  
  And Universities should stop accepting credit for this course if it is incomplete in its materials. >
  
  Universities should stop accepting applications from people who’s states teach watered down courses. >
  
  No, they should accept them.
  But students from those states should be forced to take a remedial US History class to bring them up to educated standards.  The point of college, after all, is to educate, and you can't do that by turning students away. >
  
  Passing the burden onto students and making them pay $$$ on top of what they already pay to go to school does exactly what Republicans want. They want to break public schools. They want to break schooling. That's how they win. >
  
  they don't have to take the AP courses in high school.
  it'd be normal to wait until college to take anything for college credit. >
  
  Nobody has to take AP classes, but high school courses in this country are a fucking joke. Our AP classes are what China, Japan, Germany, etc. teach "normally". If you're a high functioning student, these are the classes you will take in American high school.
  That nobody *must* take these classes make DeSantis's involvement in all this extra absurd. CRT crying (which was fake to begin with) is just a way to CANCEL and SILENCE freedom of speech for everyone, not just the bigots. >
  
  Sent my comments. Thanks for the link. >
  
  Appeasement is how fascism spreads.  Shame on the College Board.  In their attempt to be nonpartisan, they are being complicit. >
  
  Shame on the college board?  That is like saying shame on Satan.  They are horrible and unethical from the ground up. This is on brand for them >
  
  Educator here: college board is a corporate entity created to rake in as much revenue as possible. They aren’t interested in quality academia. They’re just here for the payday. >
  
  Yup, I think each exam was $100 back in 2012 without a voucher.
  EDIT: The “kind” redditor below is right that they are roughly $100 per exam.  $250 was the late fee I had to pay due to an administrative mishap. >
  
  A lot of people strongly disagreed with me in a thread sometime last week when I said the College Board would concede and water down the curriculum.
  STOP EXPECTING INSTITUTIONS TO STAND UP TO FASCISM.
  They want to make money and avoid bad press, that is all.  They do not care about Black History.  They are not educating people for education's sake.  They are an institution that needs funding and needs to sell AP Tests.  They cannot afford to be embattled with right-wing crazies.  This was inevitable, white supremacists won. >
  
  
  STOP EXPECTING INSTITUTIONS TO STAND UP TO FASCISM.
  
  This is true.
  So.  What will? >
  
  Usually communists >
  
  pretty much almost entirely communists >
  
  Don't forget the anarchists! >
  
  Well, most anarchists are communists, they’re just not specifically Marxists. >
  
  The only paper they want to see written:
  ‘Black Conservatism: Slavery, the Voluntary Patriotism’ >
  
  You'll already hear many traditionalist Christians talking about how "slavery wasn't a bad thing in Israel" to defend the Old Testament. It pisses me off that we are probably less than 200 years away from a vocal minority in America saying shit like "You know, we really did them a favor with slavery when you stop and think about it." Fuck, there's probably people that think it already. >
  
  Most southern conservatives believe this today and will say it in places they don't feel they'll be punished in. I don't think Reddit really grasps that when conservatives talk to eachother the mask comes off entirely. Most of them absolutely think slavery was good and that African Americans should be "dealt with" >
  
  I grew up in a rural area and you’re right. The views expressed by conservatives around other conservatives is the most abhorrent bullshit I’ve ever heard . >
  
  Literal cancel culture >
  
  Spineless dipshits.  Fuck Florida. >
  
  As a former APCS teacher, I can confirm that the College Board is indeed hot garbage. >
  
  "Just following orders 😐" -- College Board >
  
  The old Adolf Eichmann excuse >
  
  I never thought I'd see the day when the College Board whitewashes African American Studies due to one fascist, racist governor.
  Then again, maybe I shouldn't be surprised:
  
  Acceptance for the new curriculum is important to the College Board, a nonprofit, because A.P. courses are a major source of revenue. The Board took in more than $1 billion in program service revenue in 2019, of which more than $490 million came from “AP and Instruction,” according to its tax-exempt filing. >
  
  And the speed with which it happened! No discussion, no pushback; just complete surrender. >
  
  What a craven response to censorship. Pathetic cave, College Board. Where’s your stand for academic freedom and intellectual pursuit? >
  
  Republicans hate freedom and education though. >
  
  Too damn true. They love the poorly educated, I’ve heard. >
  
  "Okay, I guess we can teach that African Americans exist.  But let's not go talking about rights and stuff!  That's not appropriate." -Republicans, basically >
  
  Not basically, I think you hit the nail on the head >
  
  I think the republicans would have a better chance at winning by including the African American vote instead of trying to restrict it.  I mean The African American Women Vote has changed a lot of elections...  fighting it will only make it worse. >
  
  Don't need them if you depress their vote enough and enact voter laws that intimidate them from participating. Same strategy they've used for decades way back to when they killed black people for voting. >
  
  Western democracy’s on a slippery slope >
  
  Wait. Wait wait wait wait.
  So, years of issues with exam affordability. Of fees steadily creeping upward. Of effectively shutting out lower income students (fee reductions only go so far). Of people expressing a need to make things more accessible to students who could really benefit from fewer, more costly classes in college. Nada.
  But one pompous toad throws a hissy fit about something he knows fuck all about, and suddenly there's capitulation?
  Calling this bullshit doesn't seem strong enough. Anyone got a better word? >
  
  Is CRT really a theory? Let’s see, an Afro-American women in Texas was sentenced to 5yrs in prison for voter fraud for trying to vote (not actually voting). Meanwhile in Florida a white man just pled guilty to actually voting twice, sentenced to parole. Doesn’t seem like a theory to me. >
  
  
  Is CRT really a theory?
  
  Yes. They are using the word "theory" in the academic/scientific sense: it is a framework for observation, analysis, and understanding of the natural world around us. For example, the theory of gravity isn't a "theory" that gravity exists, but an explanation of what gravity is and how it functions. See also: germ theory.
  The colloquial use of the word "theory" is more of a synonym for the word "hypothesis." But since CRT is an academic framework, the use of the word theory in this context is to be understood as the scientific meaning.
  This is a good explainer on the misuse of scientific terms: "Just a Theory": 7 Misused Science Words >
  
  Even the word “hypothesis” isnt a good analogue for the colloquial use of “theory” because a hypothesis is at least an educated guess based on observations. These people are not making educated guesses lol >
  
  That's a fair point. Maybe "wild ass guess" would be more appropriate, hah >
  
  What an embarrassing time to be alive. >
  
  “sYsTeMic RaCisM dOEsN’T eXiSt.”
  
  People will shout in 15 years when this course becomes the default and no one remembers what happened here. >
  
  just in time for black history month. >
  
  Oh I JUST realized. Damn. >
  
  Drop the College Board. It's compromised by fascists. Set up an independent entity to take it's place. AP classes are no longer credible. >
  
  It’s crazy to me how one governor can change peoples development because he’s just a bigot. I really hope these impressionable kids don’t turn out to be shit heads >
  
  The company didn't have to change, they just want more profit from Florida. Hopefully this bites them when progressive states refuse to host the course either. >
  
  Every sane state should discontinue using AP curriculum due to them bowing to bigoted political pressure. They want Florida? Let em have it, but California, NYS, MA, etc should tell em they're not buying they're stuff. >
  
  Sadly most won’t have alternatives to teach and will lose this option permanently >
  
  It depends, I myself am a high schooler and am doing dual enrollment with the local community college for free. Maybe it could be more widely adopted? >
  
  I did dual enrollment when I was in hs and I agree it’s a nice option, but I only got one offering for dual enrollment that was actually taught at my high school. And it was taught like 6-9, most high schoolers aren’t gonna be able to pull it off compared to AP classes taught by their actual teachers during the day. >
  
  So the way my school does it is they have a variety of courses mostly English math and science, which are taught by teachers at my school for free during normal school hours and give you the applicable credits as if they were taught at the college. I understand that it's not ideal, but I do hope they work to expand it. Because at this point ap courses have just lost a lot of value and credibility. >
  
  
  David Coleman, the head of the College Board, said in an interview that the changes were all made for pedagogical reasons, not to bow to political pressure. “At the College Board, we can’t look to statements of political leaders,” he said. The changes, he said, came from “the input of professors” and “longstanding A.P. principles.”
  
  And those professors, understandably apprehensive about possible political pressure against HS teachers who would teach the course, decided preemptive bowing was the best choice.
  The Right's goal is is not to get their way by applying political pressure. That could backfire. Their goal is to discourage liberal actions and words by making people fear that political pressure might be applied. That way, the Right can claim that they had nothing to do with actions and words stopping. >
  
  "Nice culture you've got here. Be a shame if something happened to it..." >
  
  So you teach black history, but you can't talk about slavery, systemic racism, the War On Drugs or police brutality.
  Orwell eat your heart out. >
  
  At first I was like no way I can’t believe academia is bowing to this guy. But then I googled College Board and saw that they aren’t associated with universities they exist to suck money out of students and can’t afford to irritate a politician. >
  
  "The college board also mentioned it's using recent advances in Deepfake AI to develop a photorealistic version of the popular Boondocks character Uncle Ruckus to deliver supplemental video lectures and color commentary. Governor Ron DeSantis praised this technological development as " deliciously malicious."" >
  
  Compromising with fascism never works out well. >
  
  Appeasement never works. >
  
  This is kinda bullshit... someone somewhere needs to stand up to this wannabe dictator. >
  
  I'd like to thank the College Board for proving that yes indeed, Systemic Racism is still a factor in America >
  
  COLLEGE BOARD should be discredited entirely by the people. Fuck AP courses. Do not encourage or support any company that forces you into this small minded extremist ideologies. No difference between DeFuckBoi and Islamic Extremism. I used Islam solely because I know lots of red states scared of Muslims. >
  
  Nah, you’re right. Christian extremism and Islamic extremism are brothers. I mean, if you don’t know, look what US Christians helped happen in Uganda: genocide. They got caught up in international crimes against humanity charges for that one. They’d do the same at home if they could (“Foucalt’s boomerang” applies here). It’s the same strain of patriarchal cult authoritarianism. Pacifist Christians should be under the same pressure to denounce the terrorists as US assholes put on all Muslims. World would be less shitty if we all agreed that fundamentalist religious violence was a bad thing. There’s even been murderous Buddhists and that one does my head in. >
  
  I absolutely agree. Post 9/11 Muslims were told to stand up and ensure they speak up against extremism. They were scared everyday walking into the subway as they got terrorist insults hurled at them. 
  It’s funny now that the group of extremist is whites, it’s now different. All Gucci tho, you and I know what’s up. Look at the trump classified docs and Biden. Same shit, trumps is a bit worse cause he lied. But you see the House GOP investigating Bidens but not trumps. This countries truly fucked in many ways. >
  
  Yet these folks send their own children to elite lefty Ivy League schools. >
  
  Is it realistic to petition colleges to not accept this class/exam for college credit? >
  
  Depends on where you live. In progressive states like Massachusetts, where their colleges are a point of pride? Perhaps. In a state like Indiana? Probably not >
  
  Fuck the college board. Fucking cowards. Stop legitimizing that sad little man's ravings. >
  
  And this is exactly why I push my kids to be the best they can be so they can get the hell out of this country.  This isn't a local school district or what not being affected by a state ruling, this is a national organization that is supposed to be independent of such things.  And conservative states are going to continue to push their ideologies on other states now that they have the supreme court in their pocket, and given our nation's government and populace won't do jack.  Foreign countries may not be much better, but hell at least in France the people are willing to strike and riot as a whole when the government does something objectively stupid.  Here we just turn on the next episode of our favorite reality tv show. >
  
  Students across the country need to show them that they have more power than one racist governor from Florida. >
  
  This country is a joke. >
  
  We are dumbing down  America. >
  
  Why does the College Board care about the opinions of the governor of literally the stupidest state in the nation? >
  
  I'm speaking with a 52 year old friend born and raised in South Dakota. I'm from NJ.  I started to discuss racism in American and the Oklahoma City massacre of black business owners by a white mob. He immediately tells me I'm lying. Then says it's 100% not true. Then I show him a source and he says it can't be trusted. So, I pull up multiple sources and he calls it the liberal media. I then pull up an article from an Oklahoman news source and show him the upcoming remembrance and suddenly he believes me.  He turns and says "I can't believe I've never heard of this." Believe it, the GOP controls the curriculum in SD and they can't have their base suddenly exhibiting empathy towards others. This is exactly what DB DeSantis is doing. The rest of the country should tell Florida that they won't get into college without a basic understanding of African American studies. If they can't pass the admissions exam then they cannot attend. One state should not dictate to the rest. >
  
  There isn't a decent conservative on the planet. Not a single one. Only huge piles of shit trying to make everything worse. Being a total asshole and ruining the world for everyone (including themselves) is their only agenda. >
  
  So wait a minute.. they strip the topic of "Black Feminism" but are okay with adding "Black conservatism" to the curriculum? How the fuck is that even allowed! >
  
  "You shouldn't abort your rapebaby from your slaveowner" GOP, probably >
  
  I am so fed up with these whiny, bigoted, white nationalist evangelical phony Christians! >
  
  Republicans:  Don’t want to hear the truth.  Let’s ban the truth. >
  
  So now kids thinking of taking college level courses know that this case has been neutered and the educational value of the class is now suspect....seems like a good way to drive down the number of kids taking it. 
  Great job DeSanis and the morons at the College Board....
  This is so fucking stupid >
  
  College Board jettisons all respect anyone had for it. >
  
  Cowards. Suppressing ideas is not what education is supposed to be about. >
  
  GOP continues to be the party of big government, censorship, and political correctness. >
  
  Undoubtedly DeSantis, his administration, and conservatives as a whole are the bad guys in this. That needs to be perfectly clear. But I'm waiting for one these institutions to grow a backbone and say, damn the consequences, we aren't going to listen to a small minded fascist dictator. Hell, even an individual teacher standing up and defying this would be inspiring to see. I'm so disappointed to see that there isn't even the slightest pushback from anyone inside the universities. Nope, they seem to be perfectly ok with just giving it all away in service of following a fascists order. Cowards. Sad all around. >
  
  College Board- withhold accreditation!  Either your standards are relevant and crucial to include or YOU’RE irrelevant.  It might be best to take away their monopoly.  This just proves all they ever cared about was profit. >
  
  So this is a red flag of bigotry for the College Board?
  who the f*** are these people? >
  
  The College Board bends to a freaking racist. F them. I used to think they meant something. Now we all know better. >
  
  Why capitulate to De santis? Why not just not offer AP African American studies in Florida? >
  
  This is absolute fuckery...I can't believe they even bowed down to that bull shit. >
  
  Well that’s an incredibly weakened institution if I’ve ever seen one. What cowards… >
  
  Hopefully Pritzker follows through and rejects this for Illinois >
  
  fascism is in it's legal phase..  history has just been whitewashed >
  
  What ever POS went along with this are weak and has no business in education. Cowards