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It's clearly much worse for women. It's just some delusional stuff to put men and women anywhere close together when it comes to beauty standards. Like, the makeup industry is a half trillion dollar industry, is there anything remotely comparable for men?
Actors take a huge amount of steroids. Those Men’s Health “so and sos crazy work out plan for that movie, look what you can accomplish in 6 weeks” are all bs. Im sure they train hard when they need to, but they also take steroids. >

"Raw chicken, broccoli, and water!"
And enough steroids to fuel an entire Mr. Universe pageant. >

Chicken breast, broccoli and water = anabolic steroids
That's the code they use. Just like prisoners have their own code by saying that they're all innocent. Or how bankers and traders have their code that they only sell things to willing buyers at the fair market price.
And bodybuilders also don't tell you that they swallow a bunch of other shit to counter the body from creating counter hormones to try to balance the shit out. Bob, the guy from Fight Club? The one with the big bitch tits? That's a real thing if you don't know what you're doing. >

Just to balance the scales, because it's a vital service to mankind, there ARE natty lifters. And it IS possible to gain.
Thing is, nobody wants to do it that way. Too slow. Too hard. Too many restrictions. Too much work. Etc. etc. And all that, just to end up with a 'lesser' physique than the ones who juiced.
It's a losing calculation for anyone under the age of 20 or anyone trying to be 'competitive'. Which should but does not, often enough at least, translate into stop caring what the roid-heads look like and stop making big decisions when you still can't buy your own alcohol.
Struggled with this shit plenty in my teens and 20s. Even went to a Urologist and whined that I wasn't built like the Hulk at one point. Every other person there was in their 70s. Instantly weird.
Doc told me, listen, I'll give it to your stupid ass if your stupid ass is stupid enough to be stubborn, but you don't want it. Men who can't make babies are a lot more unhappy than men who can't build muscle. >

I've contemplated doing roids as well. Several times in my life it's been really tempting. From a very young age I always had a fascination to be big. Everyone has their point of inspiration where a switch is flicked. For the older generation it's Pumping Iron. For me it was Dragonball Z.
Fortunately I only started to comprehend in my early 20s what roids actually are and what they can do for you. How? Of course: via people at the gym. It's the nr.1 breeding ground for roidies. Multiple times in my life came very close to get on it, but then always the fear of the unknown stopped me. That last part for example that you mention, of not being able to make babies, that's a big one. Other risks like increased risk of cancer, dead sex-drive, hairloss are big as well. The biggest for me is the that if you stop roids, that it can take a full year before your natural testosterone production comes online again. Absence of testosterone would probably lead me to suicide.
The idea still lingers of 'one day to start start using and get my dream body'. The 'what if' will never go away. But the older I get, the more I can settle on a lean and okay toned body.
And as for professional bodybuilding. Modern bodybuilding is a perversion compared to Arnold's days. Big fkn quads and that DISGUSTING bubble gut. I can only appreciate a classic V shape. >

Yeah roids would be great wouldn't they, if your natural testosterone comes back at all and you don't blow your heart out first like Zyzz.
Great aesthetics, tiny brain 🧠
Bodybuilders were always trying to push the limits and I'm still amazed sometimes when I catch a video or some pictures of just what the human body can be pushed to. Still doesn't make it a good idea.
Like sure you can get your car up to 180mph, whoopie, but not without voiding the warranty.
Just get tested at the docs and if you're not diagnosed with hypogonadism go home, stfu, and move heavy objects. Repeat as necessary. >

This subject really hit home for me because of one scene in the movie The Wolverine, specifically an article that was written about it. The scene in question shows Hugh Jackman looking particularly ripped and that level of muscle definition was only achieved because he dehydrated himself for something like 36 hours and, afterwards, ended up in a coma for three days. But images like that set a standard that is not possible to achieve through natural or healthy means. >

It's a classic move, you take an actor, have them get super pumped and dehydrated, and put in ONE scene where they're shirtless near the beginning of the film then cover them up for the rest.  Captain America- comes out of the pod and immediately shirts up for the next scene.  The Wolverine, obviously.  Guardians of the Galaxy as soon as they break out of prison Star Lord is shirtless.  Ant Man Paul Rudd shows off for a scene.  While some of the scenes end up later, the theme is ONE short scene, often unimportant, where the character is shirtless.  Even a lot of films like the new Thor make it a gag where there are women who have to very much notice and react. >

Thank you. It’s the same for women - unnecessary single nude scene. All this unrobing is utterly unnecessary. I’m not into men who are ripped. I’m naturally thin but prefer normal bods with a bit of flab. Why? It shows that you don’t spend insane amounts of time worrying about how you look until it becomes an obsession bordering on  narcissism. Give me Christian Bale over The Rock any other day. Maybe it’s just me.
Edit : I am not referring to Christian Bale as Batman but as Ken Miles in Ford vs Ferrari. Christian Bale has several great roles. He is more than just Batman. >

💀 Bale is fit and has even been pretty bulky, main difference is the amount of steroids the rock is using vs Bale who is most likely natural. Women truly have no idea what it takes to get a "normal" body, nor any idea what they really want. Just going to prove this posts point. >

Firstly, I hate batman so that’s not the Christian Bale shape and role I’m talking about.
Secondly, I’m talking about Christian Bale as Ken Miles in Ford vs Ferrari. 
It shows how shallow your mind was in going immediately to batman Bale. It’s also ignorant not to know that Bale comes in many shapes and forms as an actor. His acting is excellent and is more than batman.
Thirdly, my husband has a dad bod. He was extremely fit but I prefer a bit of flab and so the waistline grew and the muscles left. 
So you prove that you have no idea what you’re talking about other than assuming and making a fool of yourself. >

Would you have been happier if they had said the machinist? >

I think it’s shit for both parties but for entirely different reasons. Body dysmorphia sucks ass. >

This, and only this. It doesn't matter who has it worse, we can all work towards a more inclusive world for everyone. >

Except there is nearly zero effort to include men into body positivity movements. I mean fat men and small cocks are still the butt of many jokes. 
We can all say we will work towards inclusiveness for everyone but the fact is no one, at least no one who can make a difference, cares about men's body image or mental health >

This is always how it goes. Women can bring up all their own particular issues, and will shut down any mention of men’s similar experience. But then when men bring up their issues, people always say “well this isn’t really a men’s issue, this is a problem for everyone!” >

Pattinson has the build of a pro athlete in the Batman, yet people say he's way too skinny. Apparently, martial arts masters and strong and athletic guys are incredibly bulky with gigantic muscles. >

Pattinson actually refused to work out for the twilight movies. In all his shirtless shots, he has very defined but quite gummy looking abs, and it's because they were painted on with makeup. >

Its hard for both. Comparing struggles doesnt do anything for us. >

Expect for when a woman opens the conversation. >

This is a rare case of bad title but interesting post. 
I think the issue stems from the portrayal of men in media in general when men and women are selected for their look on film thus creating an artificially high societal standard for beauty. >

However, is anyone even expecting guys to look like this? 
A guy being buff is like the last thing any of the women I've known care about. It's like an added bonus but only if it doesn't consume too much of his time, but that's about it. Unless the girl herself is obsessed with working out. >

Seeing as men can’t change their face/height without surgical intervention, their physique is the one thing they can.
Yes, personality matters a lot, but the door won’t be open if you don’t pass the looks threshold. >


but the door won’t be open if you don’t pass the looks threshold.

Do we live in the same world? Of the guys that I know that are in relationships, none of them look anywhere close to this supposed ''threshold''. 
The single guys are sometimes even better looking but unsurprisingly they generally have low energy/depressed/negative/bitter/not fun personalities. >

Let me guess: the biggest lady’s man you know is short, ugly, and poor? >

I wouldn't say they're ugly. They're just... very average to put it lightly, in height as well as looks. Not poverty level, no, people have jobs usually, but still lower class. No excessive wealth here. And they're not lady men either, most are after long term stuff so haven't been single for years. But they did get the door open. >

They also are in sexless relationships most likely. There’s a reason women rarely desire their partners long term. >

That's a massive assumption to make. And not exactly relevant either. >

I agree. As someone who is part of the bodybuilding community the dysmorphia can really mess with you.
"I can't see my abs anymore I have to cut, I'm fat"
"My weight isn't increasing, the gym isn't working"
"I want to look like (actor)." Not realizing that the physique isn't natural.
It's hard for both men and women. >

The bar for "healthy" bodyfat levels in the workout community is so fucked. So many people saying you should have visible abs etc. (Looking at you Greg Doucette) when that isn't necessary at all. Like you're not giving people actual health advice based on facts, you just mixed in your aesthetics standards and worry over a bit of fat. >

Greg Doucette is one of the only ones who don't encourage a Six-pack. Tf do you mean? He's always about maingain and a healty bodyfat. >

It’s just as bad in the sense that media portrays men unrealistically just as it does for women. However, it is worse for women simply because society as a whole tends to value women exclusively for their looks, which is not really true for men. So, IMO, women are much more likely to develop some form of body dysmorphia from the unrealistic portrayals.