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Four year old kids ARE psychopaths, their brains aren't even close to fully developed yet.
On top of being shot, the teacher evacuated the entire class to safety.  She was the last to leave the classroom with a bullet in her chest and part of her hand missing.  Despite being shot, her immediate thought was “get kids to safety”. >

For under $50k probably, and the paramedics who saved her probably make under $20/hr. >

People who help and save lives get paid nothing. People who ruin and end lives make a good living. >

It is possible our priorities are a little off. >

You mean we shouldnt compensate people based of the value they create for shareholders?!?!?! >

I mean if we talk about who is actually creating value…
Edit: I can spell, I swear >

I'm upvoting you based purely on the edit. 
I feel that edit. >


After Zwerner was shot, she was able to evacuate the children from her classroom.

Jesus fc. Everything about this case continues to shock and surprise. >


Everything about this case continues to shock and surprise.

The teacher made sure the kids were out of the room, then she made it to the admin office for help. Shes a fucking hero. Shot and bleeding her first thought were the kids. >

I feel like it should be mentioned that the teacher is only 25 years old, too. >

My daughter is 24. 
This is her first year as a teacher. 
This makes me livid. >

I started when I was 23, teaching high school the entire time. Got out last year at 37. Best thing that ever happened to me. >

Also started at 23, left last year at 27. Best and worst 4 years ever, but now I feel like myself again 🥹 >

If you don’t mind sharing, what did you do after teaching? I’ve been thinking of leaving for a while now, and this summer my partners job is taking us to a new state where I would have to re certify, and it feels like now might be the time. I just have no idea what I would do — I have an undergrad arts degree and an MAT. Not exactly marketable outside of their part of the work force. >

I’m education coordinator for a museum. Being fully transparent though, I make $20K LESS than I did as a teacher.
My advice to you is check out Teacher Career Coach and pay for it. It’s worth it. I need to bite the bullet and pay for the resume writers they provide >

I know someone who left public education and teaches troubled teens in juvenile jail.
Says the kids pay the best attention he's ever seen.    Says he prefers it's over the public system.  Scary isn't it? >

At least he knows his students don’t have guns >

Drew declined to provide information about how the gun was secured in the home
Obviously not very secure. >

"I leave it on a high counter with my keys and lip gloss." 

Dumbass Parent, probably >

The bullets are there too, since we knew he'd never be able to get them. >

It was a six year old. I'm willing to bet the gun was already loaded and chambered, since I don't see many 1st graders knowing how to do either of those. >

Not to mention having the strength to load and chamber a gun. 6 year olds have pretty weak hands. >

Yep. I work with kids in this age group and they constantly want help with things requiring manual dexterity, but they’re trying to open a packet of Goldfish crackers for snack, not load bullets in a gun. >

Off-tangent but I worked in Montessori (ages 2-4) and the policy there is that students must do everything themselves within reason. We'll make the first tear in the packet, but they have to do the rest. We'll turn the coat sleeves right side out and show them how to put it on, but then they have to put it on themselves. They spill their juice, okay here's some towels, blot it up. It's amazing how quickly children become independent and figure out ways to do things themselves.
On the other hand... if they're not big enough to get on the swing by themselves, well damn Timmy that sucks. Maybe you'll be able to pull yourself up when you're 3. >

This might be a dumb question but has there been any information as to why the kid did this?  The cbsnews article says he had the gun with him, not in his backpack, before he shot her.  So he not only thought about bringing it, carried out that part and then also thought about sneaking it out of his backpack so he could shoot her.  Holy hell. >

A teacher friend who teaches in another to NN school told me today that the child had a phone the week prior that the teacher took away, and that was the initial source of the strife between the two. Pretty solid 6-year-old logic... She took my phone, I shoot her. >

Six year olds have phones!? Wtf.. >

The mom doesn't exactly strike me as the responsible type >

Considering she kept a gun within easy access right next to ammo says a lot >

I may be underestimating the average 6 year old, but how did he even carry out loading the gun?
The most plausible case I can think of here is the gun was sat unattended on a table/desk, fully loaded, and with a round already in the chamber. 
Loading bullets into a mag and cocking a firearm to chamber it aren't things that come naturally to most people, let alone a 6 year old kid. I barely knew how to wipe my own ass at 6. >

That's an interesting point. Just to rack a round takes a little bit of elbow grease. Could a 6 year old do it? >

The gun in question (Taurus 9mm) is designed for ease of handling and the slide also pulls back with minimal effort. Probably why the mom chose it. She should be charged for whatever charges would have been levied against the kid if he was an adult. >

Probably a loaded mag and left in easy access to a child. >

Time to take the child from the mother and have the parents charged. >

Can you imagine how brave you'd have to be to become this child's foster parent after this? Where does this kid even go? >

I mean, it’s pretty easy to not be shot by a 6 year old. You just lock your gun up like a responsible adult >

Sure, sure, sure. 
But this kid has already had a desire to kill and made a plan to carry it out. And although it relied on his mother being a fucking moron, it was actually a pretty good plan and he very nearly succeeded. He managed to get a gun into school without telling anyone, or being caught, and he actually shot the woman. 
So next time, when he's pissed at his foster parent, what might he try to do? Find a pair of scissors or kitchen knife? Poison? Kill the family dog? Strangle the toddler foster sibling? 
Seriously, this is not a kid I would want in my house. >

Kid might be a genuine psychopath. >

Might be, but might also be surrounded by bad influences that teaches him to be no better. That said, there are still a lot of qualms of being that child's foster parent >

I've taught a while, lots of kids have real shitty home lives but they don't do what this kid did even with access to guns too.  This kid is a giant red flag for something seriously mentally wrong with him. >

Agree to some degree. My brother and I had the same abusive father and we turned out incredibly different. I'm afraid of my brother now, but I guess I always was since he'd seek out ways to hurt me as a kid. I wonder how different things could be for him if he found a second family that actually respected and cared for him before things got out of hand. But even sociopaths and psychopaths, when given a stable, safe, loving home with suitable outlets for their conditions can be normal people, albeit, still a bit "odd." >

Parents should be arrested >

Getting them arrested can only do so much. The parents should hold responsibility for the damages to the teacher's family and the trauma induced towards the witnesses. >

So serious question. If the answer is arming the teachers, would anyone have expected that teacher to shoot the six year old ? >

Imagine the type of people who would be drawn to the teaching profession if they were expected to be able to shoot a child. >

“That kindergartener was no angel and should’ve just complied with the classroom enforcement officer.” -conservatives in ten years >

It's unfortunate that three other children were caught in the crossfire. The teacher will be temporarily reassigned to the police force while a thorough investigation is conducted. >


is conducted

is ~~conducted~~ discussed. >

No shit. The kid didn't buy it himself so where else would he have gotten it from? If not his mother then it would have been another family member

Drew declined to provide information about how the gun was secured in the home. 

Answer: It wasn't secured >

Answer: She didn't know where she last left it. 
Like you said, not secured >

Damn. When I was six I was giving my first grade teacher flowers from a field I passed on my way to school.  I wonder if that kid has had a really rough life. >

Yeah I'm with you.. we kicked the rocks,n picked the flowers on side of the roads as well... >

The mom had a loaded gun with no safety engaged accessible to a 6 year old and didn't know it was missing. If laws were responsible she would be held to some accountability.
No respect for a deadly weapon. >

I am all for gun rights, but when you gun ends up in someone else's hands and used in a crime without some sort of good faith attempt to secure your firearm, you need to be held responsible. I seriously doubt this six year old  picked any locks or bypassed any sort of security to gain access to it. >

I'm all for all rights, but damnit they need to come with responsibilities! >

That is the problem. A lot of people are so concerned about their right to own a gun that they forget that owning a gun is also a responsibility. Don’t want to be responsible? Then, don’t own a gun. Want to own a gun? Then you need to be responsible for it. I would love to see the “responsible” gun owners held accountable for their irresponsible behavior. 
Yes, I know that there are actual responsible gun owners out there. But then you hear about a child getting a hold of a gun and killing themselves or someone else and all the family, friends and neighbors are all like “but the gun owner was such a responsible gun owner!” Those are the people I am talking about. >

I wanna know if the kid had experience, like someone took the kid to a gun range or something. Kids that age usually have trouble not shooting themselves when handling a weapon like that. >

US teacher... One of the most dangerous job >

Teachers need Hazard Pay these days. >

Best we can do is pay cuts and hiring unqualified substitutes >

A society so casual with the ownership of firearms might as well get used to this.  
My wife worked with a woman whose 4 year old son took his dad's hunting rifle from under their bed, then shot her in the back while she was holding his newborn sibling.   If it wasn't for the wall and chair she was sitting in it most likely would have killed her.  Kid even tried to take the phone and hide it when his mother wanted to call for emergency services.   No investigation whatsoever into how the gun was stored and how rhe boy had access to it.   Barely a blipp on local news.   To me his father at the very least should have been fined etc.   
There needs to be stricter penalties if you fail to secure your weapons and they are used in a crime.   If you provide your child with access to firearms and they commit a crime then you as a parent should share the responsibility of guilt. >

The hiding the phone part on top of the shooting makes the kid sound like a psychopath.