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I read headline: Georgia grand jury probing Trump for 2020 possible crimes
When should we expect an announcement on charges vs no charges >

When Willis decides to indict she’ll need to seat a regular grand jury. If you see anything that says she’s got a regular grand jury in place it won’t be long after that. >

The special grand jury wants to publish its special presentment too. This is getting juicy. Thanks Georgia! >

Time to buy stock in Orville Redenbacher >

There was a made for tv movie from back in the 80s called The Day After (not to be confused with the always delightful Day After Tomorrow). It showed the consequences of a nuclear war on “average” Americans. 
I remember the Rush Limbaugh equivalents among Reagan’s cheer squad pointing out that one of the sponsors of the show was Orville Red-enbacher. 
I was like eight and I still did a Liz Lemon quality eye roll. >

I always thought that "The Day After Tomorrow" was a sequel to "The Day After", I recall someone saying it on TV, but as I can find no evidence, I must be wrong. >

No, it was a nuclear war movie. I can’t remember the director/producer, but I think the Reagan crowd called them a communist or com-symp. 
If you want to see a really good take on that genre of movie, try finding a film called Miracle Mile. >


Fulton County Judge Robert McBurney [...] has scheduled a hearing for Jan. 24 that will address what portions, if any, of that report will be released to the public.
A court filing says that the grand jury voted to recommend that its report be published.

Oooh, this could be fun! >

Why does it take so long though? Like the reports done, why do we have to wait another 2 weeks just to announce what will actually be released? >

More than likely because the judge makes that decision, and he has other cases on his schedule. >

Which is crazy because can't you fast track cases and make them higher priority over another? If so, I couldn't imagine a case taking higher priority in the state of Georgia under that judge's caseload. >

I'm totally talking out of my butthole here, but I would think giving some kind of special treatment towards the case could indicate potential special treatment for one party over another. No doubt Trump's side wants it to drag on as long as possible. The judge is supposed to be an impartial referee, and it'll be a tough sell that 2 more weeks will have any material impact. >

Conversely, two weeks isn't a lot of time to review and discuss things this large.
I've spent two months discussing a specific piece of HVAC equipment with engineers and owners and suppliers.
Two weeks seems like an appropriate rate to get everything in order, review what needs to be done, prepare whats coming next, and then announce.
Saying this now - anything but full release is skullduggery >

I’ve spent 11 months on a 30-second commercial. Meetings, phone calls, more meetings. It’s still not written. >

"This product or service is great! You should buy it!" 
Solved. >

I’m not sure “great” is the word we want, it evokes colonial notions of superiority.  I think we need to focus-group this whole section.
And… isn’t “should” a bit too strong?  Can we try a softer word?  Or maybe a stronger word.  “Must?”  “Might?”  I’ll run it by my people.
Also what colour is the font going to be?  Here’s 20 pages of brand identity rules. >

This is so spot on. :) >

was this the thing where he committed election fraud and it was recorded and the whole world heard it and the republicans still want him to be president?  he's committed so many other crimes i almost forgot about this one.  busy guy. >

If he does not face charges and or jail, with regards to this blatant and obvious attempt, to interfere in an election...then the entire Justice system is a farce.... >

I've heard some lawyers explain why of all of his cases this would be the most difficult to prosecute. Think about it. He didn't say "produce" the votes, he didn't say "or else I will... " He didn't say "if you do this for me I will do x for you." Just find the votes, and any half competent lawyer would defend how there have been audits, recounts, discovered uncounted ballots and other scenarios where vote totals have changed one way or another. Not a lot but it's all you need. 
In no way defending trump, he is a piece of garbage human being and president. But this would be an easy case to defend. >

I wonder which cases would be the easiest to get him on? The confidential materials he stole? That he could literally use to sell to our foreign adversaries? The tax charges? >

I think it was Brian Tyler Cohen asked glen Kushner that question and his answer was I believe obstruction of justice charge in the documents case. I could be wrong tho >

And this took two years!!!! >

Come on they only had a recording of him committing the crime >

They've probably just been hoping that he quietly goes away so nobody has to do anything politically unpalatable, like enforce the law. >

This is exactly my impression. Yet another finalized case to go ->DOJ -> special council -> shutdown or forgotten about
“Job done boys! keep fleecing America and never let our dirty laundry get this public again” >

This case isn't going to DOJ. It's Georgia's case, and they seem motivated to indict. Hang in there. >

Oh yeah, Georgia! They'll get him for certain!
Governor Kemp pardons Trump
...Welp. >

Nope. Georgia is one of three states where the Governor cannot grant clemency. I also don't appreciate your sarcasm. >

This case could be the most viable criminal investigation against Trump for a number of reasons:
It focuses on direct, smoking-gun evidence in Trump's hour-long phone call to Brad Raffensperger. In it, Trump not only asks for Raffensperger to "find 11,780" votes multiple times. He accuses of him of committing crimes, threatens him with legal consequences, insults him and berates him dozens of times, and is corrected on false statements in real time.
Here's a few gems:

So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.
And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s a criminal, that’s a criminal offense. And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that’s a big risk.
Well, under law, you’re not allowed to give faulty election results, okay? You’re not allowed to do that. And that’s what you done. This is a faulty election result. And honestly, this should go very fast. You should meet tomorrow because you have a big election coming up, and because of what you’ve done to the president — you know, the people of Georgia know that this was a scam — and because of what you’ve done to the president, a lot of people aren’t going out to vote. And a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative because they hate what you did to the president. Okay? They hate it.

As a state prosecution, it also has none of the conflict-of-interest or executive privilege hurdles that a federal prosecution has to clear. Fulton County is deep blue for a jury selection, and the charges Trump may face are exceptionally bad for him.
The DA is supposedly weighing election fraud, conspiracy, oath of office violations, racketeering and other offenses.
These are prominent figures that were subpoenaed:

Georgia's Governor  
Georgia's Attorney General  
Georgia's Lieutenant Governor  
Georgia Secretary of State  
A Georgia U.S. House Representative  
Multiple Georgia State Senators  
Multiple Georgia House Reps  
The Cobb County Elections Director  
U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham  
Trump's lawyer - John Eastman  
Trump's lawyer - Rudy Giuliani  
Trump's legal adviser - Jenna Ellis  
Trump's lawyer - Boris Epshteyn

Giuliani, along with 16 Republicans in regards to a fake elector scheme are allegedly informed criminal targets. John Eastman is another interesting subject, Trump's lawyer who orchestrated the fake elector scheme and had many email correspondences that have implicated him and Trump in conspiracy as noted by a federal judge in a separate civil suit.
Last but not least, GA is one of few states where the governor does NOT have clemency power. Pardons are decided by a board, and only given retroactively - after a sentence is served.
We could see a charging decision (and subsequently indictments) by Fani Willis within weeks. >

Most of that is spot on but as I understand it Georgia has different grand juries for different purposes so the last sentence could be a bit optimistic. The special grand jury that just wrapped up only has the power to investigate and issue a report, which is what is happening now. To actually prosecute it will require another, not special, grand jury to decide so there's still another step required unfortunately >

Shouldn't take long to present to a regular grand jury. The evidence has already been procured and the report by the special grand jury will help expedite the process. >

I’m not optimistic that the people on the GJ will not be biased in favor of the potential defendant >

There are a bunch of things to worry about, but not really the GJ imo - Fulton County is deep blue, and the grand jury has a very low bar to clear with these decisions.
It only takes 12/23 jurors to recommend an indictment (not unanimous like a trial jury and conviction).
Further, voting on an indictment isn't accusing someone of guilt - it's simply saying that probable cause has been established to bring a trial.
If the DA wants to bring charges, she will almost certainly get them. >

So now, THIS is something that house republicans in DC can’t do shit about, right? >

Yeah, but I'm not sure if any Georgia Republicans can do something about this. >

Idk about GA house or senate, but it was the current GA Governor and Secretary of State who released the phone recording of Trump asking them to “find” the exact number of votes to overturn the election.  So I think they’re pretty fucking pissed at Trump right now. 
Also, his candidates keep losing US Senate elections in their state, which I’m sure is really frustrating as well. >


GA Governor and Secretary of State who released the phone recording of Trump asking them to “find” the exact number of votes to overturn the election

This reads to me as a CYA thing for those two - they saw that Trump illegally tried to get them to comply with his criminal request.  This was their way to show that they didn't want to get in trouble for it.  That's all. >

This is true, but it's also true they cannot walk it back. >

I think Brad doesn’t want to “walk it back!” No on told him he HAD TO report Trump trying to interfere, but his sense of decency didn’t allow him to bury that. Thank God for a few honest politicians with morals! I think Trump will be charged!!!👍👍👍 >

Hopefully the first of many shoes to drop!  I have faith this will lead to many indictments >

All these cases against trump have truly show cased how our justice system is completely designed to allow the wealthy and famous to buy their way out. Sadly I expect yet again to see nothing of any consequence to happen this waste of skin. >

Lock him up >

Had the defendant been a poor or a Democrat they would already be locked up. The application of laws on the rich and powerful moves slowly (if at all).  I'm not going to hold my breath that anything will come of this. >

Indict the motherfucker now! >

I suspect that they won't release the report if they decide its contents warrant empaneling a regular grand jury to decide what the indictments will be. (This grand jury could not suggest indictments.) >

It could SUGGEST them. It couldn't issue them. >

Thanks, friend! That's what I meant but didn't type UGH >

Anyone else think Brazil is doing a better job at handling this type of corruption. Never would have guessed >

American exceptionalism >

American lower-expectationalism >

Lowered Expectations... >

Lock him up! >

It’s 2023. Charge him with whatever is legit or stfu. I’m sick of the lack of accountability and the lack of balls of those meant to hold people accountable. >

I just want to find 201 upvotes, which is one more than we currently have. >

How the fuck is he on tape attempting to pressure a state Secretary into manufacturing votes and just…nothing? It’s unreal. It’s fucking undeniably DOCUMENTED what he did. >

I don't get what the big deal is.    Is it really illegal to use your position of power to just ASK, and possibly mildly threaten someone, for 11,000 more votes? >

Yes. Especially if you add all the other plots like the fake electors and trying to appoint an AG that was willing to push fake evidence >

Are you sure?    My Uncle keeps telling me that those were done by Hunter Biden and something about a fabulous looking bulbous wang pic? >

Ah yes you are right. I got it wrong. The fake electors were part of Hugo Chavez plan to change the votes :P >

Don't forget about Michael Moore and George Soros.    The checks they send me weekly have kept me afloat since I lost my job in 2019.   Avocado Toast and the house special at Comet Ping Pong pizza aren't free. >

I think you’re my long lost cousin, because you seem to be describing my uncle to a T >

Hmmm, whatcha going to do DA Fani Willis? >

Almost certainly charge him. She wouldn't have worked so hard and so publicly to investigate and get all the testimony she did if she wasn't willing to charge him.
If the grand jury didn't actually find evidence to charge him, we'll likely find out as they voted to recommend their report is released publicly.
But that's pretty doubtful. The phone call is pretty damning. >

She also expended the investigation into the fake electors and other illegal pressures. She will indict 100%. She already indicated that Giuliani and the fake electors were targets at the very least >

The day I see Trump in handcuffs is the day I'll believe our justice system isn't totally fucked. >

Fr, enough talk >

He’s on tape asking to find votes!!! Jfc >

This is like a bad tv series that should’ve ended 4 seasons ago. >

Due to the caste system in America, no charges will be filed. >

Stop probing and start jailing >

The work isn't complete until that SOB is in jail! >

I'm done having faith that something will happen. Get back to me when he's in cuffs. >

And let me guess... Nobody gets charged as usual? >

Can he be arrested now? >

Holy crap  here's an idea, just arrest and charge the criminals like you would for any " normal" citizen. Special this and grand that......fuck off and let me know when these assholes are behind bars. >

Honestly Im so tired of these posts, nothing ever happens.
Oh we caught tRump shooting someone on video? Cool story but hey lets go throw that kid in jail for marijuana possession for 3 years with the quickness. >

Alright. Then show us some results. >

This process has taken so long, I’m just going to start asking if we’re there yet…
Are we there yet? >

I've grown sceptical when it comes to politicians actually getting punished for their crimes, therefore I suspect the judge will take the special grand jury findings and make the benign portions public. After seeing that nothing damning is made public, the DA will simply claim that the report didn't have enough to indict. >


completes work

The job isn't finished until the indictment work is done. >

Not news unless we read about next steps = indictments. 3 years of “soooo this happened next and there’s gonna be some more paperwork filed OMG what will happen? We don’t know BUT l…” >

And nothing will come of it because the one percenters can do whatever the hell they want with no consequences. >

Good, throw him in prison already so I can stop hearing and reading about Trump 24/7.  Please.  Dear god... please. >

Tick, tick, tick. >

I’ve said this a million times and I’ll say it again, add it to the fucking pile. >

More crimes tRump will walk away from??? Whoever said no one is above the law never met today’s republicans or Supreme Court members as apparently they can get away with any crime! >

Its been almost 7 years of investigations and nothing has yet happened to Trump. >

The 2020 elections were only 2 years ago... >

The investigations of Trump have been ongoing since at least 2016. It's now 2023 and Trump has never been charged. >

And the investigations into Trump interfering with Georgia's election was since 2021. What investigations into Trump were happening in 2016? >

None of them, since he had his DOJ dismiss them just as he started to get cornered. >

Indictments are coming.... >

Been hearing that for over 6 years... >

Two years of having the damn tape and a shut case and we are still at a fucking nowhere. This is a joke. Will it even lead to indictment or will they just shrug it off again? >

Trump is going to be probed until he dies of old age. >

Possible? It's pretty fucking obvious! >

Now that it’s complete, they can put it in a drawer and lock it away, and never open it again. Because that’s how Teflon Don works. It doesn’t fucking matter and we’re wasting money because nobody wants to go after him. I am so sick and tired of hearing all of his corruption-bullshit and all of these lawsuits, and nothing comes of it. The Mueller report was just the beginning. Nothing will come of anything. >

And the results are?? Or do we have to wait for the completion to complete? >

I have so much fatigue and apathy on this matter. I can’t read any more articles or have any emotional connection to it. I fully expect years of meaningless bureaucratic bullshit ending with absolutely nothing being accomplished, supporters on either side further divided, and zero consequences for anybody that most deserves them. Hopefully I am wrong but I’m checked out. >

What about all those people he just doesn't pay? >

The grand jury has recommended that a committee be formed to choose members of a second committee to recommend to the DOJ that Trump maybe, possibly should be indicted….depending on what a fourth committee says. >

I’ll believe indictments possible when I see them. Otherwise another nothing. >

Go, Fani, go!!! >

Did they loose the recording of the phone call ? >

I’m sure they didn’t. Smart money is wondering if there will be charges, but how many and which ones. >

$50 fine and a stern warning to not do it again. >

Dude’s been probed more than my second cousin, Cleetus. When are they gonna charge him with something? >

I'm pretty sure we all heard that recording two years ago, so I suppose we're at a crossroads here with not only this, but all of the crimes which donald trump has committed yet not been charged with: either take a stand and charge him in order to preserve the integrity of our nation, or declare that this is how modern politics is done, and it will become the norm for both parties, and all hope is lost. >

It's taking a grand jury just to decide if it's worth actually charging someone with a crime, leading to another jury trial?  How many layers are in this shit sandwich? >

That's literally what a grand jury does before a trial can happen. They decide if there is sufficient evidence to proceed with each charge, that the District Attorney is seeking. They can also recommend additional charges.
Note a grand jury is not supposed to weigh evidence based on whether they think the person is guilty or not. It's purely on whether the charge is backed by evidence. >

And then? >

So? Her emails! His son! Classified documents! Why is the Republican PR machine so. much. f*cking louder!? This will fizzle too. Thank goodness we fought for his tax returns. It was in the news cycle for two days. >

So, a story with a hot headline that raises expectations but reveals nothing. >

They have him on a recorded line committing a crime, the fact they have to “prove for possible crimes” means they’re not going to do a damn thing. Trump will remain free so his name can generate money for news outlets with headlines like this. Is poors should know better than to think a rich person would be punished haha yeah right >

Just wake me up when Trump is getting his orange butt fucked in Prison. >

"Despite the overwhelming amount of evidence, the jury finds that nothing can be done about said crimes." >

Show me the Donald Trump handcuffed perp-walk, otherwise it's just Kabuki theater for the corporate media. >

Ok it can go either direction then. They can Mueller out or actually file charges. I, being the pessimist, will bet on them Muellering out unless I see charges. >

Everyone brace yourselves!
Another "it's inconclusive, not enough to press charges" announcement incoming! >

Unfortunately, that's a distinct possibility.  Even the Raffensberger call is more of an uphill battle to prosecute than you'd expect.  The relevant Georgia law requires the prosecution to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Trump intended for Raffensberger to commit election fraud.  The tricky part is that he didn't actually say that: the words he said, taken literally, suggest he believed there were illegal votes and illegally discarded votes, and he wanted Raffensberger to investigate to find enough of these fraudulent votes to prove that he actually won Georgia.  Of course this is complete bullshit, and we all know what he really meant, but the burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove that he meant something different than what his words said.  Unfortunately, proving Trump's guilty mindset at the time of the call is essential to convicting this crime.  
I wouldn't want to be the prosecutor that has to prove Donald Trump didn't believe some crazy conspiracy theories. >

Just hoping there is more substantial evidence than the call itself >

Wake me when there's an indictment.
It's been years and multiple investigations and crimes the treasonous grifting prick is going to die of old age before he sees the inside of a courtroom.
This is just getting ridiculous. >

And the result of the testing was.....
Crime. Yes. There was crime.
And the result of the crime will be....
Nothing, still more nothing. >

Lock that motherfucker fucking up. We shouldn’t have to ask Georgia to save our democracy again, but here we are! Lock that motherfucker fucking up! >

Another day, another nothing-burder >

It’ll be fun to hear them recommend charges and then nobody does. >

Nothing soup. America never punishes the rich and powerful, and there will never be charges against Trump. He will continue getting away with everything, and he'll die rich, fat, and happy. >

I believe in justice. I think not only are the Democrats sick of rotten liars, the Republicans have had enough. How embarrassing for the honest Republicans in this country. How about the Jewish Republicans that believed George Santos lies and gave him money for his campaign? They are all up in arms about this fraud! >

Everyone with an IQ has known Trump is a crook since at least the 1980s. He is rich and well-connected, so the American 'justice' system has no interest in him. >

No, he has played the American "justice system" quite well, thank you very much. >

If Garland lets a state beat him to the indictment,  his cowardice will no longer be questioned. >

The Fed investigations are a much larger scope. I believe you’re going to be gobsmacked when those investigations start rolling out arrests. There will be hundreds. >

I will definitely be gobsmacked as Garland has vastly more resources and the DoJ has crimes to indict preceding the 2020 election. 
So they've had longer and more investigatory power. >

They have more investigations going on. All those investigations overlap.
Georgia is focused and very limited in scope. 
The DOJ would also be investigating what is currently being planned by these people. Georgia is not. Let’s hope all our alphabet agencies can thwart whatever is ongoing. 
Georgia is past. DOJ is not only working on the past but the present as well. >

They have the forces to handle it. Mueller left them a nice head start. Stop apologizing for cowards. >

Mueller wasn’t allowed to investigate thoroughly. He also had no dealings whatsoever with the insurrection, the fake electors or top secret documents among many other things. 
Why do you think Mueller’s report would have answers for anything that occurred after his report was written?
Edit: “think” >

Doesn't matter that Mueller was held back. The leg work was started. The crime if obstruction was mentioned.
Again, I  am referring to Trump's crimes before the insurrection.  That Garland apparently has done nothing with. >

You go ahead and be impatient Debby downer. I like watching the pieces of the puzzle come together. 
Recklessness of our DOJ will not be a part of our history. I’m glad they are being methodical >

Coming up on 6 year anniversary of Muller's appointment.  You must ne easy to entertain because that's a slow puzzle. >

I don’t agree that Mueller’s investigation is as important as you do and also not the same importance. 
We will need to agree to disagree. >

So when will they detail all the crimes that they're going to let Trump get off with? >

And presumably like everything else nothing will happen >

Better late than never >

'Possible' >

Placing my bets on no charges.  
Or 
Charges, but so little/inconsequential that ultimately nothing happens, for example, a $100 fine. >

This may be the one that nails him but I’m not holding my breath >

I read the title of this article, and all I can think is, “fuck you “. Either convict him in jail him I don’t fucking talk about it. >

not a chance he will be convicted.. and that’s if he ever gets charged… >

This will be another nail in his coffin along with his tax returns 😂
If we stop giving this dipshit and his putrid spawn any sort of press maybe they will disappear in to obscurity >

Just throw these people in jail all ready its been two years >

Another $5 in my “he’ll be indicted any day now” fund? >

The wheels of justice turn slowly but they grind exceedingly fine. >

“We found he did it all, every last thing he was accused of….we will be recommending a slap on the wrist so no one’s feelings get hurt.” >

Yes but will anyone care? >

I bet he loves those probes!! >

Wake me up when they cuff him >

👏👏And now they'll sit on it until the opportune time. >

What are the odds he gets the book thrown at him? >

Overwhelming, but that’s a long way from doing time. >

yesterdays news when are the the criminals charges coming >

THIS JUST IN: they’re Nazis >

Hey, is this adding to the pile? I’ve been consistently drunk from that game since 2021.
I’d like to go to bed now until any of this shit clings to the wall. >

Cool, now where's my tldr from the government? >

lol @ "possible."  We all heard the tape. >

Great. Now what? >

So my 4 year, more smoking guns than I can remember, wait for an indictment is nearly over because this one is totally real? I won’t hold my breathe. >

In Georgia, when a grand jury is deliberating charges, how many people are on the grand jury and how many of them need to agree to charges? >

Even if he is indicted tomorrow, there will be an extradition fight. Or the whole thing will be moot because he will have reached the end of his natural lifespan. But I think he will be convicted of one or two little meatballs, and down through the years, people will forget what he was all about. Most people think “Watergate” is all about a single break-in. >

Can't the House fire all public employees now as part of the new rules? They'll just lay waste to any public sector employee that had a hand in this.