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The recent agreements are just dog and pony show stuff, since they joined the EU they've had stealth membership in NATO.
EU has its own "NATO A5", through the CSDP agreement that member states adhere to.
OK, but I doubt sultan Erdogan will agree with this statement if not every single demand of his is fulfilled. >

Erdogan Will ham and haw and extract as much as possible, but when he will become assured that no more can be extracted, he will vote "yes." >

Tell me you don't understand geopolitics without telling me you don't understand geopolitics. >

Wait, geopolitics are more complicated than my fifteen word Reddit comment? No way! >

There is no nato mechanism in place to kick turkey out.
Turkey would turn to Russia and Iran.
Turkish tensions with Greece would escalate dramatically.
The Kurdish issue would get worse.
Turkey has early warning radars vital to NATO defence.
Turkey provides access to the middle east, suez canal, and bosphorus for NATO.
Turkey would dump its migrant problem on the EU.
The list goes on and on.
Claiming NATO would even consider kicking turkey out is ignorant. Claiming Erdogan (and his ego) would even consider it a possibility is beyond ignorance. >

Sounds like The they could use a little freedom brought about by an alphabet agency looking to destabilize the area and secure a more favorable regime. >

And Americans wonder why everyone hates them >

All Sweden has to do now is wait until Erdogan loses the next elections which are in June. >

Even if Erdogan loses(which he'll do everything he can not to) he won't go peacefully. >

Isn't Erdogan very popular in Turkiye? >

Turkey >

They recently changed their official name to Turkiye. There's supposed to be some accents in there somewhere, but I'm not typing those. >

Yeah but the English language name for the country is still Turkey. You don't call Sweden 'Sverige' or Finland 'Suomi', do you? So why call Turkey 'Türkiye'. >

Most countries have an official English name that they use at the UN (and other places, of course). Sweden and Finland are officially "the Kingdom of Sweden" and "the Republic of Finland" respectively. Greece is perhaps a better example of us failing to respect that, as their name is officially the Hellenic Republic. Anyway, Türkiye did indeed formally register Türkiye as its English language name with the UN last summer >

The important members of NATO have already made mutual security agreements with Sweden and Finland.  If Turkey continues to to be obstructive those agreements will likely expand until we have NITO - Not Including Turkey Organization. >

That's the important thing. Both countries have been working with and conducting exercises with NATO for years and those security agreements now in place make joining NATO more of a formality than anything that matters for European security.