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Drew declined to provide information about how the gun was secured in the home
Obviously not very secure.
On top of being shot, the teacher evacuated the entire class to safety.  She was the last to leave the classroom with a bullet in her chest and part of her hand missing.  Despite being shot, her immediate thought was “get kids to safety”. >

For under $50k probably, and the paramedics who saved her probably make under $20/hr. >

People who help and save lives get paid nothing. People who ruin and end lives make a good living. >

It is possible our priorities are a little off. >

You mean we shouldnt compensate people based of the value they create for shareholders?!?!?! >

I mean if we talk about who is actually creating value…
Edit: I can spell, I swear >

I'm upvoting you based purely on the edit. 
I feel that edit. >


After Zwerner was shot, she was able to evacuate the children from her classroom.

Jesus fc. Everything about this case continues to shock and surprise. >


Everything about this case continues to shock and surprise.

The teacher made sure the kids were out of the room, then she made it to the admin office for help. Shes a fucking hero. Shot and bleeding her first thought were the kids. >

I feel like it should be mentioned that the teacher is only 25 years old, too. >

My daughter is 24. 
This is her first year as a teacher. 
This makes me livid. >

I started when I was 23, teaching high school the entire time. Got out last year at 37. Best thing that ever happened to me. >

Also started at 23, left last year at 27. Best and worst 4 years ever, but now I feel like myself again 🥹 >

If you don’t mind sharing, what did you do after teaching? I’ve been thinking of leaving for a while now, and this summer my partners job is taking us to a new state where I would have to re certify, and it feels like now might be the time. I just have no idea what I would do — I have an undergrad arts degree and an MAT. Not exactly marketable outside of their part of the work force. >

I’m education coordinator for a museum. Being fully transparent though, I make $20K LESS than I did as a teacher.
My advice to you is check out Teacher Career Coach and pay for it. It’s worth it. I need to bite the bullet and pay for the resume writers they provide >

I know someone who left public education and teaches troubled teens in juvenile jail.
Says the kids pay the best attention he's ever seen.    Says he prefers it's over the public system.  Scary isn't it? >

At least he knows his students don’t have guns >

Drew declined to provide information about how the gun was secured in the home
Obviously not very secure. >

"I leave it on a high counter with my keys and lip gloss." 

Dumbass Parent, probably >

The bullets are there too, since we knew he'd never be able to get them. >

It was a six year old. I'm willing to bet the gun was already loaded and chambered, since I don't see many 1st graders knowing how to do either of those. >

Not to mention having the strength to load and chamber a gun. 6 year olds have pretty weak hands. >

Yep. I work with kids in this age group and they constantly want help with things requiring manual dexterity, but they’re trying to open a packet of Goldfish crackers for snack, not load bullets in a gun. >

Off-tangent but I worked in Montessori (ages 2-4) and the policy there is that students must do everything themselves within reason. We'll make the first tear in the packet, but they have to do the rest. We'll turn the coat sleeves right side out and show them how to put it on, but then they have to put it on themselves. They spill their juice, okay here's some towels, blot it up. It's amazing how quickly children become independent and figure out ways to do things themselves.
On the other hand... if they're not big enough to get on the swing by themselves, well damn Timmy that sucks. Maybe you'll be able to pull yourself up when you're 3. >

This might be a dumb question but has there been any information as to why the kid did this?  The cbsnews article says he had the gun with him, not in his backpack, before he shot her.  So he not only thought about bringing it, carried out that part and then also thought about sneaking it out of his backpack so he could shoot her.  Holy hell. >

A teacher friend who teaches in another to NN school told me today that the child had a phone the week prior that the teacher took away, and that was the initial source of the strife between the two. Pretty solid 6-year-old logic... She took my phone, I shoot her. >

Six year olds have phones!? Wtf.. >

The mom doesn't exactly strike me as the responsible type >

Considering she kept a gun within easy access right next to ammo says a lot >

I may be underestimating the average 6 year old, but how did he even carry out loading the gun?
The most plausible case I can think of here is the gun was sat unattended on a table/desk, fully loaded, and with a round already in the chamber. 
Loading bullets into a mag and cocking a firearm to chamber it aren't things that come naturally to most people, let alone a 6 year old kid. I barely knew how to wipe my own ass at 6. >

That's an interesting point. Just to rack a round takes a little bit of elbow grease. Could a 6 year old do it? >

The gun in question (Taurus 9mm) is designed for ease of handling and the slide also pulls back with minimal effort. Probably why the mom chose it. She should be charged for whatever charges would have been levied against the kid if he was an adult. >

Probably a loaded mag and left in easy access to a child. >

Time to take the child from the mother and have the parents charged. >

Can you imagine how brave you'd have to be to become this child's foster parent after this? Where does this kid even go? >

I mean, it’s pretty easy to not be shot by a 6 year old. You just lock your gun up like a responsible adult >

Sure, sure, sure. 
But this kid has already had a desire to kill and made a plan to carry it out. And although it relied on his mother being a fucking moron, it was actually a pretty good plan and he very nearly succeeded. He managed to get a gun into school without telling anyone, or being caught, and he actually shot the woman. 
So next time, when he's pissed at his foster parent, what might he try to do? Find a pair of scissors or kitchen knife? Poison? Kill the family dog? Strangle the toddler foster sibling? 
Seriously, this is not a kid I would want in my house. >

Kid might be a genuine psychopath. >

Might be, but might also be surrounded by bad influences that teaches him to be no better. That said, there are still a lot of qualms of being that child's foster parent >

I've taught a while, lots of kids have real shitty home lives but they don't do what this kid did even with access to guns too.  This kid is a giant red flag for something seriously mentally wrong with him. >

Agree to some degree. My brother and I had the same abusive father and we turned out incredibly different. I'm afraid of my brother now, but I guess I always was since he'd seek out ways to hurt me as a kid. I wonder how different things could be for him if he found a second family that actually respected and cared for him before things got out of hand. But even sociopaths and psychopaths, when given a stable, safe, loving home with suitable outlets for their conditions can be normal people, albeit, still a bit "odd." >

Parents should be arrested >

Getting them arrested can only do so much. The parents should hold responsibility for the damages to the teacher's family and the trauma induced towards the witnesses. >

So serious question. If the answer is arming the teachers, would anyone have expected that teacher to shoot the six year old ? >

Imagine the type of people who would be drawn to the teaching profession if they were expected to be able to shoot a child. >

“That kindergartener was no angel and should’ve just complied with the classroom enforcement officer.” -conservatives in ten years >

It's unfortunate that three other children were caught in the crossfire. The teacher will be temporarily reassigned to the police force while a thorough investigation is conducted. >


is conducted

is ~~conducted~~ discussed. >

No shit. The kid didn't buy it himself so where else would he have gotten it from? If not his mother then it would have been another family member

Drew declined to provide information about how the gun was secured in the home. 

Answer: It wasn't secured >

Answer: She didn't know where she last left it. 
Like you said, not secured >

Damn. When I was six I was giving my first grade teacher flowers from a field I passed on my way to school.  I wonder if that kid has had a really rough life. >

Yeah I'm with you.. we kicked the rocks,n picked the flowers on side of the roads as well... >

The mom had a loaded gun with no safety engaged accessible to a 6 year old and didn't know it was missing. If laws were responsible she would be held to some accountability.
No respect for a deadly weapon. >

I am all for gun rights, but when you gun ends up in someone else's hands and used in a crime without some sort of good faith attempt to secure your firearm, you need to be held responsible. I seriously doubt this six year old  picked any locks or bypassed any sort of security to gain access to it. >

I'm all for all rights, but damnit they need to come with responsibilities! >

That is the problem. A lot of people are so concerned about their right to own a gun that they forget that owning a gun is also a responsibility. Don’t want to be responsible? Then, don’t own a gun. Want to own a gun? Then you need to be responsible for it. I would love to see the “responsible” gun owners held accountable for their irresponsible behavior. 
Yes, I know that there are actual responsible gun owners out there. But then you hear about a child getting a hold of a gun and killing themselves or someone else and all the family, friends and neighbors are all like “but the gun owner was such a responsible gun owner!” Those are the people I am talking about. >

I wanna know if the kid had experience, like someone took the kid to a gun range or something. Kids that age usually have trouble not shooting themselves when handling a weapon like that. >

US teacher... One of the most dangerous job >

Teachers need Hazard Pay these days. >

Best we can do is pay cuts and hiring unqualified substitutes >

A society so casual with the ownership of firearms might as well get used to this.  
My wife worked with a woman whose 4 year old son took his dad's hunting rifle from under their bed, then shot her in the back while she was holding his newborn sibling.   If it wasn't for the wall and chair she was sitting in it most likely would have killed her.  Kid even tried to take the phone and hide it when his mother wanted to call for emergency services.   No investigation whatsoever into how the gun was stored and how rhe boy had access to it.   Barely a blipp on local news.   To me his father at the very least should have been fined etc.   
There needs to be stricter penalties if you fail to secure your weapons and they are used in a crime.   If you provide your child with access to firearms and they commit a crime then you as a parent should share the responsibility of guilt. >

The hiding the phone part on top of the shooting makes the kid sound like a psychopath. >

Four year old kids ARE psychopaths, their brains aren't even close to fully developed yet. >

Here’s the school district pay scale.
For being 25, she’s probably making $52k a year max. I pray she’s gets a shit ton of workers comp and gets a nice sum from a lawsuit. What we put our teachers through is not worth the pay. >

I doubt she’ll ever return to teaching. But will still have those student loans. >

And here I was, thinkin' he got it from one of them gun show loopholes.
No shit the kid got it from one of his parents. They should be in prison. >

This is what I thought, almost verbatim. 
“Ah, so it wasn’t something a failed three-day waiting period? Who’da thunk it.” >

I'm sick of adults that are unable to secure their firearms. No mercy for the parents. >

Maybe we should come to terms with the fact that the average person is not responsible enough to own a gun and we should probably not sell them to civilians for no reason anymore. >


"I wish we never had to (ask) ... how does a 6-year-old know how to use a firearm? I don't know that I can give you an adequate answer," Drew said. "It's unprecedented. I don't know how to answer that question." 

Hmmm... I could be wrong but I seem to remember seeing quite a few Republican campaign materials and Christmas cards with photos of the whole family cradling and caressing their firearms (including weapons held by small children). >

Yeah. Those were shared by the NRA too lol >

And a few elected officials too >

I’d like to see the parents of this child held responsible too. It’s not OK that offspring has access to murder weapons and take the fall for your negligence. NOT just this case but ALL school shooting events and any others that take a life.
Politics may be the bane of our existence, protecting one offs but the trend is clear- secure your arms or face consequences. Too many innocents are dying at the hand of your negligence and it needs to stop if this country wishes to remain armed constituently. >

Hopefully, mommy gets indicted for reckless endangerment and depraved indifference.. >

Why am I not seeing headlines about this woman being arrested? >

News report said it wasn't likely they would prosecute the kid, and the mother may face misdemeanor charges.  They usually don't arrest people for  misdemeanors.
I'm surprised that leaving a gun so that a six year old can take it isn't child endangerment. >

If they won't prosecute my next question becomes: does the mother of the child have to cover the medical payments for the injured teacher? >

I'm sure the teacher has grounds for a lawsuit regardless of criminal charges. >

Even if there's grounds for a lawsuit, it doesn't sound like the mother or father has any real assets or money to payout a judgement. >

Above someone mentioned that the child brought bullets into school previously and nothing was done from an administrator POV >

Yeah, if this is documented and nothing was done, those administrators are absolute toast. >

Why the hell isn't the mom in jail >

I get they were commending the teacher for her quick thinking in the aftermath but she shouldn’t have to do this to be a “hero”. >

I feel like his mom told him that “this gun in my nightstand is for bad people”…. so his next conclusion was “bad person gave me homework”…. 
Totally could have been prevented. Stupid loss of life. Like most. And the poor kids dude. Shooter included. What the fuck am I going to raise my little boys to be part of.
Edit: “bad teacher took my cellphone” >

The only thing that can stop a bad child with a gun…is a GOOD child with a gun. #Murica >

We need to start treating guns like a bigger deal.  Like if you own one and don't secure it you're responsible for what happens. >

Unless you report it stolen I believe you could face negligence charges. >

So the mother is going to be arrested and charged right? Right?? >

Man, I come from a family full of teachers: my mother, a number of aunts, cousins, even my brother. 
My question is..
Who the fuck wants to be a teacher? Terrible pay, constantly paying for kids stuff out of their own pocket, and now the possibility of getting shot by some snot nosed kid. 
These people are saints, they deserve raises, they deserve everything. And I don’t mean give the schools more money so they spend it on their bloated budgets. Direct pay raises, or huge tax breaks if they are a working teacher with a W-2. >

Police said the gun was legally purchased by the child's mother. The child brought the weapon to school in his backpack, but Drew said the firearm was on the child's body, not pulled from his backpack, at the time of the shooting. Drew declined to provide information about how the gun was secured in the home.  "Drew declined to provide how the gun was secured in the home".  Well that's probably because the gun wasn't secured. Since the 6 year old child was able to get hold of it,and take it to school. SMH. So sick of people who don't secure their firearms. If you don't secure them you don't deserve the 2nd. >

Gunman shoots up a bunch of 6 years olds , and now a 6 year old shoots his teacher
This countries gun culture is a sickness. >

The rest of the world just looks on and shakes it’s head. The responsible ones amongst you know what needs to be done, but the irresponsible ones shout louder. Shame. >

Mother needs to be charged >

"And the mother of the year award goes to..." >

The teacher's mom for raising her right I guess >

The mom is an idiot. A 6-year-old with a phone and a gun. Keep both out of a child's hands until they're older. 
Where, why, and wtf was she doing? Completely irresponsible. >

Look at that! Logic! It’s rare for Reddit. I commend you my friend. >

Lock her up for being irresponsible parent . >

Mom needs a felony.  Felons can’t own guns.  Only way to keep the guns out of that house. >


I wish we never had to (ask) ... how does a 6-year-old know how to use a firearm?

Basically only one answer, somebody taught him >

How do you stop a bad 6 year old with a gun? With a good 6 year old with a gun! >

My first thoughts were “this must be in America” >

I have a six year old boy right now. When he’s at his angriest, lowest moment, like the worst I’ve ever seen him, he snatches things from his brother and loses the Xbox 
Like that’s it.  That’s his worst. I can’t imagine what that kids seen to even acknowledge what a gun is and then bring it in to shoot his teacher. The fact that this amount of rage and violence exists in someone that small is horrifying. >

"Drew declined to provide information about how the gun was secured in the home. " 
This is the most relevant piece of information that I'd need to know before I pass judgement on mom. >

Okay hear me out, if we as a nation didn't have so many guns laying around like loose change in couch cushions this might not happen so often. >

literally shaking and crying rn, I can't believe you hate freedom so much /s >

Don't make me morb 😡 >

That mother needs to be arrested, sorry >

So if the teacher was armed, just like republicans want teachers to be, does that mean the teacher should have shot the six year old too? >

If you have kids in your home please buy a safe, lockbox or even the cheapo gun locks work fine. 
I have no kids. My guns are locked in a safe that's bolted to the ground. I couldn't imagine leaving guns around a house with children in it. >

School shootings are terrible. A shooting being committed by a 6yr old, is the next stage in this tragedy. At what point will the people responsible for a society's safety step up and make the changes that are obviously needed? >

I mean if Sandy Hook wasn't enough and 25% of the population thinks it was staged I don't think a point will ever be reached.
People care more about political talking points than this horrific type of stuff. It's sad. >


After Zwerner was shot, she was able to evacuate the children from her classroom. Drew recounted watching security footage showing the "17 to 20" children in the room spilling into the hallway and going into a neighboring classroom. Zwerner was the last person to leave the classroom, he said, calling her "a hero." 

This teacher is an absolute badass. A bullet went through her hand and chest and she still thought about helping the other kids. Now that's the kind of teacher I'd want. If I were a parent of the other 17-20 kids I'd do something for the teacher. She is a hero. 

The child is being treated at a medical facility, Drew said. An emergency custody order has been obtained, and a judge will need to determine "next steps" within 96 hours from the time of the shooting.

Yeah fuck their mom. How is a gun kept out and loaded? This kid is going to have severe trauma. >

Then the mother needs to be in jail. >

The parent should face prison time. This is gross negligence. It’s time gun owners face serious, punitive consequences. >

Kind of sad/shocking that the article doesn't mention anything about the kids mom... she should really be the one taking responsibility for this. I wonder what they will do with this kid... >

If a child takes a parents gun, the parent should be legally responsible for the child's actions, the parent should face the same jail time. >

Damn, if only there was a way to prevent this kind of tragedy. >


Drew declined to provide information about how the gun was secured in the home. 

Boy howdy, do I have a really simple answer to this question. >

Out of curiosity, if we follow the through line laid down by the NRA, et al, the teacher should have been armed. 
After all guys like Wayne LaPiere have been telling us that only good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns. 
And it seems like this six year old was a “bad guy” and a “threat to the well being of the other students.”  After all, the kindergartener stole the gun, brandished it, and shot and seriously injured someone. 
So, following the logic, was an armed teacher supposed to shoot this student? >

I have not read all of the comments, but every single time a kid brings a gun to school, some parent should go to jail. It's fucking suck how lackadaisical gun owners are. Goddamn. I was raised by conservative Republicans, but the guns were locked up. Always. And yeah -- I know kids can be inventive -- i searched high and low for the ammo because I was a snoop and a scandal -- BUT MY MOM AND DAD PROTECTED ME BY KEEPING THE GUNS SECURE. I never found the ammo. Quite honestly, I do not know what gun nuts are thinking these days but I will tell you what my dad told me: guns are weapons, and their sole purpose is death. Why won't you protect your own children? WTF is wrong with these people? Is there any way that we can just create a homeland for them -- TEXAS! -- and make them stay there? >

I hope they charge the mother with attempted murder. Hold them accountable for making the gun accessible, its the only sensible way. >

Six year olds should not have access to firearm. Parent needs jail time. >

Water is wet. >

The mom should be charged and held accountable just like if your dog got out of the yard and attacked someone. >

The mother should be charged with something akin to attempted murder, child abuse ect >

There’s no way in hell that this kid came to this without some kind of parental example, imo. I have a six year old and encounter many of them during the week. They don’t think to solve problems like this. They cry, they throw tantrums, they barter, at the worst they will call names and hit. 
I can only imagine this kid was seeing and hearing situations in which their parents/family would get mad and pop off shit like “yeah fuck that dude, I’ll show up with the 9mm and see how he feels then” and such. It was presented as a normal solution to a problem, and he ran with it. So my thinking is, if THAT was normalized in the house, how tf were they treating this kid??? The guardians here should be thoroughly investigated, because something is wrong in that house. >

There is one US case I'm aware of whereby a 6-year.old boy shot his classmate after an argument after recess, but I didn't look into his family life. There is no way for a child to legally obtain a gun, it is always, always fault of the parents/caretaker/relatives. In regards to the boy who shot and killed the 6-year old classmate, I believe his uncle was charged. >

It just makes sense to charge the caregivers. It’s textbook negligence. The more likely (and sadly more frequent) result of unsecured guns around children is that the child maims or kills themself. It’s the same as if you let your kids go swimming without supervision or left chemicals out for them to play with. Yeah maybe nothing will happen, but if it does there’s no one to blame but the adults. >

The larger issue is that the 6 year old was angry enough to kill. Nobody is talking about that. >

Has anyone said WHY he wanted to kill his teacher? >

The teacher had taken his cell phone from him the week before. >

Mother should be charged >

Mother should be charged with attempted murder. >

Mother should lose custody >

She should be in jail so yes. >

why is the mother not in jail? >

For the love of all, please let that mother face charges and lose her right to own a gun. >

The old ‘mom’s purse’ loophole. >

That's really bad....mom needs to be charged >

She should face attempted murder charges in addition to anything else she’s facing >

Shorty wanna be a thug. >

Isn’t that kinda obvious? Not like the 6 year old drove to the store to buy it himself >

We seriously need more regulations against having 6-year-olds. >

Allowing access to firearms by children in Virginia is a misdemeanor. Sounds like the mother could get off easy even if she was charged >

Geez Louise. 😭💔😡 I just read a 12 year old girl stabbed her 9 year old brother to death last Thursday night. Horrific. 😭 >

Since most people don't read the article I wanna call attention to the unidentified official who had the balls to go in there after the shooting.

An unidentified female school official entered the classroom and restrained the child, police said, while Zwerner sought help in administrative offices.

She made sure nobody else got hurt and might have actually saved that kid from a violent confrontation with police. >

Drew declined to provide information about how the gun was secured in the home. 
Uh, it wasn't. OBVIOUSLY. >

The mother should be in jail for attempted murder. >

The mom should do the same amount of jail time as if she pulled the trigger. Instead she'll do a year at best. 
Gun owners should be afraid their gun will get stolen or taken and used. >

he didnt go down to walmart and buy it? >

Sounds like it’s finally time to ban 6-year-olds. >

The only way to stop a bad kid with a gun is a good kid with a gun. >

Why wasn't the teacher armed? Seems like she was asking for it /s >

Then the mother should be in jail. If you leave your gun in a place where a 6 year old can get it then you should be held responsible for anything that happens. Your 6 year old shots a teacher? You get busted for attempted murder. If your crotch goblin breaks something in a store you have to pay for it, why isn't it the same when your kid tries to kill someone? >

On top of being shot, the teacher evacuated the entire class to safety.  She was the last to leave the classroom with a bullet in her chest and part of her hand missing.  Despite being shot, her immediate thought was “get kids to safety”. >

For under $50k probably, and the paramedics who saved her probably make under $20/hr. >

People who help and save lives get paid nothing. People who ruin and end lives make a good living. >

It is possible our priorities are a little off. >

You mean we shouldnt compensate people based of the value they create for shareholders?!?!?! >

I mean if we talk about who is actually creating value…
Edit: I can spell, I swear >

You mean to tell me, the people making 400k to schmooze with others making 400k isn't the most valuable position in the company? Shocked I tell you. I was told the economy should trickle down not get horded. >


I was told the economy should trickle down not get horded.

I wonder who told you that and what they had to gain from you believing it. >

My boss told me that if I work really hard this year and reach all of the sales goals, he can buy another vacation home to rent out. >

Mine told me they've identified me as one of the best employees in the company, but couldn't afford to give me a 10% payrise (just over £2k more per year, or £1 per hour) and then they took a £116k payrise themselves, but they did give me a "well done" and "keep up the good work" to make up for it. >


After Zwerner was shot, she was able to evacuate the children from her classroom.

Jesus fc. Everything about this case continues to shock and surprise. >


Everything about this case continues to shock and surprise.

The teacher made sure the kids were out of the room, then she made it to the admin office for help. Shes a fucking hero. Shot and bleeding her first thought were the kids. >

I feel like it should be mentioned that the teacher is only 25 years old, too. >

My daughter is 24. 
This is her first year as a teacher. 
This makes me livid. >

I started when I was 23, teaching high school the entire time. Got out last year at 37. Best thing that ever happened to me. >

Also started at 23, left last year at 27. Best and worst 4 years ever, but now I feel like myself again 🥹 >

If you don’t mind sharing, what did you do after teaching? I’ve been thinking of leaving for a while now, and this summer my partners job is taking us to a new state where I would have to re certify, and it feels like now might be the time. I just have no idea what I would do — I have an undergrad arts degree and an MAT. Not exactly marketable outside of their part of the work force. >

I’m education coordinator for a museum. Being fully transparent though, I make $20K LESS than I did as a teacher.
My advice to you is check out Teacher Career Coach and pay for it. It’s worth it. I need to bite the bullet and pay for the resume writers they provide >

I know someone who left public education and teaches troubled teens in juvenile jail.
Says the kids pay the best attention he's ever seen.    Says he prefers it's over the public system.  Scary isn't it? >

At least he knows his students don’t have guns