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University is about research and science. It should not be about jobs.
Thing is people oftenly said that the university was key for a good paying job years ago, and a lot of people tried to get a bacharel in an university for money.
This would be true if you didn’t have loans to pay back. It’s great that you studied and learned about things but if you earn a degree in something that is not in demand and doesn’t allow you to land a decent job, you are in worse financial shape than if you never attended in the first place. >

Yep. And whos fault is that? Did the school force you to get that worthless degree? 🤔 >

I was speaking generally, not about myself. My degree is in electrical engineering. >

As was i my friend. I did not mean you specifically. >

Depends on the job. For medical fields you sure as hell need higher education. Same with engineers and architects. >


They aren't meant to prepare you for the job market. Your degree isn't there to make you money. That's why degrees such as philosophy and art are considered "useless" and "a waste of time and money" compared to economy or computer science.

Universities spend a lot of time and money marketing how much higher the median college graduate income is to attract students. Most students enter into University because they want a nice middle class (or above) lifestyle. The claim that going to college is not about job opportunities is gaslighting people, many of which have been scammed by the university system. >

If your opinion is true then college was wrongly advertised to the majority of people that went. >

Well, yes it was. That's why people ended up disappointed. >

IDK. If youve borrowed thousands and thousands of dollars for your education, Id expect you to want to use your degree to be able to pay that shit back. And if degree's arent supposed to be used to get jobs, why do so many of them require one? >

Because not every university is situated in America and not all systems work the same. Making money is a skill that schools don't teach. >

Right, I dont know any making money classes. But people go get degrees to earn more money they they usually would without one. If youre lucky enough to just be a career student and earn degrees that you do nothing with, more power to you. But most people go to college specifically to MAKE MORE MONEY! >

Nah, it failed me cause it never prepared me for the actual job.
Start day one and get questioned on basic stuff about the field school decided not to teach you, cause instead of doing so, you had to take 10 random unrelated electives to fill up the space. >

My professors said that university is about academics and not getting people jobs. That doesn't mean that companies aren't out requiring degrees for entry-level positions, or that other career paths require university education, or that companies are specifically recruiting students from uni and working with them at job fairs & recruiting events, but the process of learning and the classes are focused on academics as opposed to getting people jobs and preparing people for future careers (unless those jobs are research & academic positions, or if you are specifically taking some course on career-work-life).
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But yes, the majors are not designed to prepare you for the job market. It may be a consequence of getting a degree, but the major courses don't have strict requirements like "workplace culture and conflict" (maybe for like, business degrees) or "leetcode masterclass - preparation for getting jobs," (there is DSA but it is academic) though I'm sure some unis are adding *a few* courses that prepare specifically for that kind of stuff. >

You are right. University education should be for people that value the pursuit of knowledge itself. People absolutely shouldn't have to feel like it's mandatory to attain degrees just to enter the job market.
I can't blame the people though. Employers are demanding degrees not because they are actually needed for the job, but only because other employers list it as requirement. It's a self-fueling corruption. >

Is that why you have to pay multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars for a degree?
So it really is a privilege reserved for the rich. >

No, you have to pay so much because the government is guaranteeing the colleges that they will get their money. >

That's the problem. It's losing its initial purpose, the one that's been created centuries ago. >

But if the government wasn’t backing the loans, hardly anyone would get them. Would someone with no credit and no job get a car loan? No way. >

Totally agree with this! I know several people personally who remained unemployed for some time, simply because they were not willing to accept 'entry level' jobs ,believing their time in University entitled them to more senior / well paid roles.
There was an interesting documentary about this very topic. If I can find a link I'll update the comment. >

This is wishful thinking if I’ve ever seen it.
When we are told time and time again that we NEED COLLEGE or we’ll be flipping burgers, or working some “shitty” blue collar job, I expect to be prepared for the workforce and expect some return on my investment. >

I would bet you did not hear that from your guidance counselor.  Mine was a glorified salesman. >

You're missing the point. It shouldn't be about jobs. >

Of course not, it just means you failed yourself >

Exactly. >

I heard your point.  I am telling you that universities don't agree with you. >

College costs a fortune. If you pay for a degree and don't make any money, than you might as well of just read books at home and saved yourself 40k >

It doesn't cost a forture everywhere. But, I've actually had the same thought about reading books. They are more readily available than ever before (be it physical copies or e-books). That wasn't the case 300 years ago. Most of those books were in property of universities as well, and getting the knowledge from those books was equivalent to joining a community of scholars and studying together. So much has changed. >

If my computer science degree doesnt get me a job because every fucking asshole wants 3 years of experience for an entry level software developer i have been failed >

Some jobs need a degree. Doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc go to school to learn the subjects that they need to know about so that they can perform their jobs. And some of it is job training. Lawyers take part in mock trials, Doctors practice surgery on inanimate objects, and engineers build stuff and learn how to use commonly used equipment. The degree is a validation that you completed these courses so that you're better prepared to enter workforce >

This is just factually incorrect. Employers demand degreed applications for many jobs. People get degrees because the market demands they do. Good luck finding a job in STEM, Medicine, Finance, Law, etc., that doesn’t require a degree. >

Uh oh, this reads like someone just got back from a seminar.