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This is well known to vegans. The definition of veganism is to reduce animal suffering as much as possible and practicable. It's not possible to reduce it to 0. >

But the suffering makes it taste so much better >

it actually does not. If animals feel fear before being slaughtered their meet doesn't taste as good anymore. >

That’s because a long time ago there was a mutated gene that allowed us to taste the chemicals released by fear, it helped give our brain the necessary positive chemicals to survive and thrive. It’s thought that most vegans/vegetarians don’t have this mutation. >

It's thought by whom lmao >

I now realize that my real life humor of just bullshitting somewhat realistic sounding, but really stupid ideas won’t work on Reddit. >

A vegetarian or vegan diet consumes way less plants and uses less cropland than a meat diet, because it takes a huge amount of plants to feed the animals that we eat. It takes something like 10 lbs of plants to get a pound of meat. >

But sustainably farmed beef for example can be grass fed (which humans can't eat) on land that is unsuitable for food crop farming. So is this OK? >

And harvesting hay from meadows somehow does not involve crop deaths? >

Exactly. These people live in a dream world. >

“These people” >

Yep. The people who try to come up with arguments against veganism. >

Like any idealogical battle there is hate on both sides, there is also a group of people that says, fuck everything, do what you want to do, and try to be the best person you can be >


Like any idealogical battle there is hate on both sides

The difference being that one side here is unnecessary killing.

and try to be the best person you can be

If you're going to do that, you'd be vegan >

Yeah there it is lol
“I’m right and everyone else who doesn’t do what I think is wrong”
If you ever find yourself in that position you gotta check yourself >

Explain how "being the best person you can be" involves unnecessarily killing animals.

“I’m right and everyone else who doesn’t do what I think is wrong”
If you ever find yourself in that position you gotta check yourself

Do you think rape is wrong? Do you think murder is wrong? If the answer is "yes", do you gotta check yourself? >

If you’re worried about shrews and rabbits then we grow a lot more food to feed the 58 billion animals every year. 
The point of veganism is to reduce harm as much as possible 
If we can feed 58 billion animals then I think we can feed 8 billion people. We can save more shrews and rabbits like you said. >


reduce harm as much as possible

So like keeping backyard chickens and meat rabbits that you feed food scraps and things you grow in your backyard vegetable garden? Then you produce eggs and meat with no mono-cropping or insecticides. >

And you are fully self sustainable like this? Do you think this lifestyle is realistic for the vast majority of people? >

I thought this was about reducing the most harm, as completely eliminating it is obviously impossible. You could still supplement with beans and other vegetable proteins. Why does it need to be black and white? 
Sounds like he is recycling his waste rather efficiently. Chicken crap is a good fertiliser for the garden and they keep away pests so you don't have to use pesticides. 
If the chicken happens to lay an egg, why not eat it? >


I thought this was about reducing the most harm, as completely eliminating it is obviously impossible. 

Killing sentient beings for an unnecessary reason is harmful.

If the chicken happens to lay an egg, why not eat it?

Because we've bred chickens to lay far more eggs than are healthy for them. They very often suffer fractures, as its nearly impossible to replenish their calcium. Also, ask these kind people who own hens what happens to them when the eggs slow down. >

I never said kill the chicken, I said eat the eggs. Not all people kill their chickens if they stop laying. In industrial contexts, yes. But most people I know who keep a few chickens, do so as pets and pest control, if they stop laying so be it. As long as the chickens keep the slugs from the lettuce they are happy.
The chickens kept like that also don't lay eggs everyday like in a battery, anyway. Imagine having five chickens, laying five eggs everyday, you wouldn't keep up with eating all of them. 35 eggs a week? Who eats that? 
At a slow rate it is entirely possible for the chickens to live a happy life. Calcium can be supplemented in their diet too. 
I really think you would be surprised to how many different breeds of chickens there are kept by hobbyists, or even just people with gardens who have a few chickens running around, and how much difference there is between breeds. Not all chickens are bred to lay eggs until their body collapses.
I think you are looking hard at all the worst things, without looking at the good things that are possible too. It is entirely possible to keep chickens in an ethical way in your garden and eat one of their egg once in a while. You just can't be greedy and have to take care of them, and not buy the chicken equivalent of a pug. >

And it takes 16kg of crops to produce 1kg of meat.
Vegans accept that perfection is impossible. But unavoidable deaths aren't a moral justification to go out and cause unnecessary deaths. >

my moral justification is I am hungry and want to go chow some chicken chunks >

So you are arguing because you want to do it it is morally correct? >

The majority of crops grown are used to feed animals which non-vegans then eat. >

And? >

So that’s how they reduce the hard inflicted