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And you are fully self sustainable like this? Do you think this lifestyle is realistic for the vast majority of people?
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This is well known to vegans. The definition of veganism is to reduce animal suffering as much as possible and practicable. It's not possible to reduce it to 0. >

But the suffering makes it taste so much better >

it actually does not. If animals feel fear before being slaughtered their meet doesn't taste as good anymore. >

That’s because a long time ago there was a mutated gene that allowed us to taste the chemicals released by fear, it helped give our brain the necessary positive chemicals to survive and thrive. It’s thought that most vegans/vegetarians don’t have this mutation. >

It's thought by whom lmao >

I now realize that my real life humor of just bullshitting somewhat realistic sounding, but really stupid ideas won’t work on Reddit. >

A vegetarian or vegan diet consumes way less plants and uses less cropland than a meat diet, because it takes a huge amount of plants to feed the animals that we eat. It takes something like 10 lbs of plants to get a pound of meat. >

But sustainably farmed beef for example can be grass fed (which humans can't eat) on land that is unsuitable for food crop farming. So is this OK? >

And harvesting hay from meadows somehow does not involve crop deaths? >

Exactly. These people live in a dream world. >

“These people” >

Yep. The people who try to come up with arguments against veganism. >

Like any idealogical battle there is hate on both sides, there is also a group of people that says, fuck everything, do what you want to do, and try to be the best person you can be >


Like any idealogical battle there is hate on both sides

The difference being that one side here is unnecessary killing.

and try to be the best person you can be

If you're going to do that, you'd be vegan >

Yeah there it is lol
“I’m right and everyone else who doesn’t do what I think is wrong”
If you ever find yourself in that position you gotta check yourself >

Explain how "being the best person you can be" involves unnecessarily killing animals.

“I’m right and everyone else who doesn’t do what I think is wrong”
If you ever find yourself in that position you gotta check yourself

Do you think rape is wrong? Do you think murder is wrong? If the answer is "yes", do you gotta check yourself? >

If you’re worried about shrews and rabbits then we grow a lot more food to feed the 58 billion animals every year. 
The point of veganism is to reduce harm as much as possible 
If we can feed 58 billion animals then I think we can feed 8 billion people. We can save more shrews and rabbits like you said. >


reduce harm as much as possible

So like keeping backyard chickens and meat rabbits that you feed food scraps and things you grow in your backyard vegetable garden? Then you produce eggs and meat with no mono-cropping or insecticides.