>

The same thug mentality as russia.
After the recent report that they have been quietly supporting Russia in Ukraine plus the balloon fiasco on top of people comparing Ukraine to Taiwan this is far from surprising. It’s just damage control with a thinly veiled threat. >

China is the enemy. They are just staying facts. >

Yes, and finally it seems the Nato west is waking up to this reality.
We are already in the opening moves of the seccond cold war.
May it never turn hot! >

Nato rocking the boat for many years is exactly how it turned this hot >

It's Nato's fault that Russia attacked a sovereign nation with genocidal intent! >

Never said that, Russia should never have invaded and should def pay for that. But if you’re not seeing that Nato for many years liked to keep pushing limits, you’re just not looking >

If Russia is so worried about NATO pushing, they should make their own version of NATO with blackjack and hookers. That way if NATO attacks they are defended without attacking other border nations premptively, as they tend to be doing for the past 15 years.
NATO adding members isnt NATO pushing, its other countries reacting when Russia decides to expand into nations like Georgia and Ukraine. >

China has been doing a lot of talking lately >

West Taiwan needs to calm down. >

That's an insult to Taiwan >

Eastern Tibet? >

Lowest Mongolia >

Upper Vietnam >

Mainland Hong Kong? >

Northern Nepal >

Northeastern Indian territorial district >

China is may be worried that if they started their own ‘special military operation’ that they would receive the same treatment as Russia, and so they want to see if supporting nations will give up on total victory eventually. >

That is 100% the situation. Let’s show them that the world will strangle them into the dark ages if they want to fuck around. >

exactly. While the Ukraine / Russian War will have long lasting and really bad consequences for most of the world, it made one thing clear. 
Move borders, get fucked. 
This is the important part of this conflict, WE, the "west" and most of the world do not want a return of armed conflicts that are able to move borders around. 
And this makes this conflict so important, the American "world domination tour" is not America conquering territory, its america spreading the western ideas. You can like this or not but America did not conquer Japan or Germany and made them state 54 and 55. Russia tries this with Crimea and the Oblasts, China want this for Taiwan. 
And the world said "Noooooo" >

As bad as the Iraq war was, and it was definitely an illegal invasion replete with war crimes, you didn't see America trying to annex land or even install a puppet government. This alone makes the whataboutisms about it complete bs >

And as bad as it was, an overwhelming majority of Americans supported the invasion at the time.  It was a disastrous mistake with grave consequences, but it was a mistake for which most of American society can share some blame.  The Russian situation is entirely different. >

Well, except that their long-time semi-democratically elected leader has pushed the Russian imperial agenda for twenty years. Opinion polls usually show substantial support for the invasion, or the general expansion of Russia. Hell, even “good guys” like Navalnij have openly supported for instance the annexation of crimea. 
Stop trying to infantilise the Russian people. >

Your grouping to much, these need only be referenced as the power structure they evoc to their surroundings. Most definitely, I have nothing but my thoughts to them, the internal individual members of these systems have to be regarded as an integral part of the substantiation of them through the use of cognitive guidence that has been developed and designed for centuries. The ultimate goal is to break the structures that controls people's reality while maintaining social cohesion within their environment for an evolutionary goal. This will be credited and as such questioned, that our own systems of power are defined by structures like money and social influence, these issues will be fixed in the future, but never again should we find it necessary for use of absolute power such as violence and war. >

“No, I don’t think that I will” >

shrieks, clutches pearls "Why are you so determined to destroy China!?!??!" >

"This is interference in China's internal affairs! Somehow!" >

How about... No. >

How about Winnie the Pooh stops sending balloons and sticking their nose to sovereign countries' affairs >

sounds like it's going well through the back channel communications >

Noted, file away into the 'to consider, never' folder. >

Actually it’s not up to the EU. Ukraine was the nation invaded by your friend without limitations, Russia. It is up to Ukraine what peace terms they will accept. >

Yes, and this latest message completely blow out of the water China's "neutrality" and "support for territorial integrity" by which they swear.
In reality, it is in China's best interests that Ukraine affirm territorial integrity and then they could demand the same with regards to Taiwan. They could claim Taiwan is sort of like Crimea. However, the concept of "friends without limitations" is getting in the way of sane policy. >

This is ridiculous because there is only power and goodwill in geopolitics.
The west wont let China get Taiwan to not be hypocrites, because China with Taiwan is a harder force to contain than China without. It’s a ridiculous notion that geopolitics is anything but who can and who is willing. >

From the Article:
“And we don’t believe that only providing weapons will actually solve the problem.”
And, he's right.   We have to provide real time targeting data as well. >

We already are >

Notably, it was a big part of the Moskva getting got. >

"Sorry did you say something China? There was a strange balloon in the way." >

This Gyna talk is ballooning outta control. >

The Chinese have an over-inflated opinion of themselves. >

Replace it with calls for Taiwan's 'complete independence' >

Taiwan IS independent... >

Try explaining that to the CCP. >

I just off the phone with the CCP. I tried to explain to them that Taiwan is an independent nation and that they should leave them alone. They disagreed, and then changed the subject about how America is a racist nation. >

What race did they say the Uighers are? >

Remember when they criticized Canada for residential schools?
Today we find out they took the idea and turned it up to 11! >

EU to China: “Drop call for complete Taiwan restoration to China”. China: “but that’s different!” >

I wish the Chinese would shut the fuck up for a few days. >

Woah bro >

No he’s right, he really wishes they would >

China needs to be told to go pound sand. >

EU: “how about no Scott” >

Would you like a suckle of my zipple? >

EU to China:
Drop any claim to Taiwan, Hong Kong, Nepal and Tibet. 
Stop herding anyone you like into prisons, cages and re-education camps. 
In general, stop being a dick. >

Nitpick: Hong Kong is very much the legally recognized territory of the PRC and has been since the UK handed it back in 1997. 
Sad reality is we have no power to change that or enforce China's obligations to respect HK democracy. Also, Tibet just isn't happening. >

Neither of those two things are likely to happen without a fight is a better way to put it.
But there are levels of dickishness the world is prepared to accept from China. There may come a point where it is worth the fight to enough people. And then it may change. >

Accurate, I was going to add "other than by force of arms." to the first sentence, but didn't feel like rehashing that discussion again as I'm sure that horse has been thoroughly beaten at this point. 
And even then, while there might be some political will (for now) in regards to Hong Kong, there just isn't for Tibet outside of old hippies and the young, who don't vote anywhere near as much as their parents and grandparents so politicians don't care about their opinions. >

Um, no, and a hearty fuck you, and healthy handshake. Here's a laurel! >

Ask Ukraine >


China says "security concerns of both sides - Ukraine and Russia - should be taken care of"

Russia has zero legitimate security concerns inside of Ukraine.  It's not their country.
China's involvement in Russia - Ukraine will go over as well as a lead balloon. >

Really? I actually think a Led Zeppelin wouldn't be a half bad idea. >

Hindenburg has left the chat >

Let's switch it to "total annihilation of terror regimes in ruzzia, China, North Korea, Iran and Syria". Those for starters. >

"And who did Germany declare war on.... well... the world..... and here's the thing... they almost won." >

“Y’ know, with Hitler, the more I learn about that guy the more I don’t like him.  I don’t know if you guys are history buffs or not but…” >

I heard he killed his dog close to the end of the war. Such an ass. >

But he did kill the leader of the Nazis so he did one positive thing. >

This claim is laughable. The EU and the US will continue to support Ukraine until "complete victory" so they can be a free, sovereign nation once again. Negotiation with Russia means giving something up. >

EU: Let's negotiate that under the precondition of an independent Tibet and Xinjiang and the recognition of the independent Taiwan. >

They know they just need one EU member to complete gridlock the union. They've got their claws in Greece and probably a few others as well. It's exactly what Russia had with Hungary or what the US had with the UK. >

At the EU level maybe, but the EU has never been about controlling the foreign policies of member states outside of trade. China nor Russia can do anything to stop the flow of weapons into Ukraine from Europe >

so china wants russia to end the war with a gain as so not to completely drain the tools of war and possibly show not just how shoddy the russian tools are but possibly get into the chinese supplied stuff and show it also is questionable. >

"You know what? I'll start calling for complete victory harder." >

Eu to China, no. >

Fucking China. I knew all this crap about "supporting Ukraine borders and integrity" was crap. 
China can go fuck itself. >

China: Please take the same advice that Mitt Romney gave to Santos at the SOTU address: "You should not be here." 
No one trusts you. No one likes you. You are a legend in your own mind. Keep moving along and try to do better with your next series of balloons. >

I might value the Chinese position on this if they had even an ounce of credibility and were telling the Russians the same thing. They aren't and they don't.
Sorry China, but you get to watch your only friend get ground into dust in Ukraine in an asinine war they started for no reason. >

Ok.  How about complete annihilation of Russia ?
Anyway, we see whose side China is on.  Legitimate targets. >

Show China the path won’t work. >

China needs to shut up, Russia is a shipwreck >

Did anyone hear that? Huh must of been the wind. >

China should drop their bull shit that the balloons over North America accidentally got there and were just weather >

Hey guys, you should provably rein in those balloons before you make any demands of anyone else. We’re already pretty mad at you. How much more manufacturing do you want to lose? >

EU to China:  Shut the fuck up and close your concentration camps. >

China - look what we did to Hong Kong, and the Uyghurs! Be scared, the rest of the entire planet. 
The rest of the planet - stfu >

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Beijing's top envoy to the EU on Wednesday questioned the West's call to help Ukraine achieve "Complete victory," on the eve of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's possible arrival in Brussels.
Fu's provocative comments on Ukraine and Taiwan, two of the most sensitive geopolitical controversies between China and the West, come as Chinese President Xi Jinping is planning a trip to Moscow, according to the Russian government.
"I must state up front that [the] Ukrainian crisis and the Taiwan issue are two completely different things. Ukraine is an independent state, and Taiwan is part of China," he said.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Taiwan^#1 Ukraine^#2 victory^#3 European^#4 two^#5 >

Interesting that they'd even bother making the distinction between Ukraine and Taiwan. What's the point of one being a sovereign and independent country if it isn't deserving of complete victory over an invasion? >

Oops. >

Make us >

World to China: Go drink some dimethylmercury. >

World to China: Go drink some dimethylmercury. >

China needs to step the fuck off. >

So what’s up China?
Should the world have dropped calls for China’s complete victory when Japan was pushing into your borders? Is that what you’re saying? >

Doesn't matter.  That was a different government in charge.  Meanwhile, the party in charge of present day China was largely waiting out the war against the Japanese, so they could fight whoever was left standing between the Japanese and the Nationalist government that ended up being forced to move to Taiwan when the Chinese Civil War broke out again after World War 2. >

EU to China: "Suck my Wienerschnitzel" >

Complete victory of Ukraine will destroy CCP's excuse of attacking Taiwan and they know that. >


we need to normalize an international status quo where invaders can use stall tactics and grinding conflict to invade their neighbors and get away with it 


China, for no reason at all >

Nah >

Drop calls for Taiwan invasion. >

EU to China and Russia: Ukraine won more than 11 months ago. >

Distraction. Learned it from trump. >

No. >

2013 Ukraine borders will be restored. Kindly fuck off China. >

China: "Stop being mean to my friend!"
EU: "I didn't even insult him, I just wished Ukraine a full victory!"
*Russia bursts into tears 
China: "Oh now you made him even more upset!" >

Accurate >

Hey China, nobody cares when you whine about stuff because you’re shady little shits >

Il take nuclear fallout over any stupid compromise with these shitty regimes. >

I plan to sell iodine muffins. >

Fuck China >

With packed hospitals and morgues, a looming real estate disaster, an angry populace whose retirement has been embezzled,  and a steady stream of newly-minted enemies, Whina sure has time to whine. >

FO, Fu. >

I assume they feel the same way about Taiwan. >

"If you guys set a precedent, it's gonna make us look bad when we try to justify taking Taiwan!" >

Ukraine doesn't want total victory: russia can keep its independence, inside internationally recognized borders.
I am not sure they deserve this, but they can probably get away with it. >

So…like China should drop the calls to all claimed Chinese territories ? >

Evil. Oh how I wish there was a heaven and they would get what is due to them. All evil. Such a sweet and silly thought. >

No. >

No. >

So what what will they do? Hehe big jokers demanding as usual! They simply cannot understand the whole world  is not like china authoritanism. >

Fu Cong, the Chinese ambassador to the EU, also criticized the bloc for “erosion” of its commitment on Taiwan, warning “senior officials from the EU institutions” to stop visiting the self-ruled island.
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ah, okay. >

It’s not up to the EU or US or any other nation to decide what’s best for Ukraine >

EU to China: “I don’t remember asking you a goddamn thing.” >

China just pissed the rest of the world milked them for cheap labor for decades and are now pulling out, leaving them with a polluted dumpster of a country and nobody to sell their counterfeit junk to. >

The world didn't "milk" them for cheap labor, they offered cheap labor to attact business and advance industrialization. They're not the victims here, they are one of the biggest profiteers of globalization. Too bad they squandered everything through shitty policy, corrution and theft and are left with nothing once their cheap rural labor force tried up but that's something they should've started working on decades ago. >

Sounds like China should not be meddling in other nations affairs.
No? Just other countries should stay out of your affairs? Got it. >

Maybe we should insist on “complete victory” for Taiwan? 🤔 >

EU to China :  You have no power to tell us what to do and its adorable you think you do. >

EU to China: Drop support for Russia's 'genocidal invasion' >

No, thank you. BTW, Fuck you Winnie. >

Drop calls for one China policy, dickhead >

China has gone full stupid this past week and hopes nobody noticed >

EU’s response to China: No >

The nerve of these bastards.  How soon they forget that they were largely conquered by Japan and Russia and being nibbled away in the 1930’s and the west put them back together again during WW2.  Would they have wanted anything less than “complete victory” then, and would they have expected the west to say anything different in support then either? >

Ok China! >

I wonder how would China look if they had US type of democracy since 1989. >

Politicians would run on nationalist platforms gaining easy support from the people, leading to invasions of both Taiwan and the Japanese held islands they lost during the century of humiliation. >

EU to China: Quit sending balloons >

Okay. Yes. Whatever you say China. Go take care of your own mess. >

No, fuck you China, worry about your balloons. >

✨💕no💕✨ >

U.S. to China: shut the absolute fuck up >

I call for complete Ukrainian victory. >

I wish dockworkers just stop unloading Chinese ships.  A boycott of China would be a great thing.  It might be tough at first but eventually I think the west would be better off. >

Dear China,
​
Shut the fuck up
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Sincerely,
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The entire world >

If you agree for Taiwan independence >

They “supposedly” according to them, can’t even control balloons. I don’t think they should be giving anyone advice. >

Big Taiwan starting worry their invasion plans for little Taiwan end in complete defeat. >

The entire western world to China...you are next if you keep increasing the aggressiveness. >

Sounds like Europe will be getting a new balloon in its airspace. >

I guess no one actually read the article...
The quotes are: 
"we are quite concerned about the possible escalation of this conflict. And we don't believe that only providing weapons will actually solve the problem. We are quite concerned about people talking about winning complete victory on the battlefield. We believe that the right place would be at the negotiating table." >

Which is still a bad faith argument, because "negotiating table" is just coded language for "Let Russia keep the land they are illegally occupying."
Until Russia agrees to completely leave Ukraine and return all Ukrainian land, there is nothing to negotiate. >

Those juicy tens of trillions of dollars of unexploited resources under Ukraine has the whole world horny for capitalism I see. 
Ahh, planet of the apes. Some things never change. >

The only reason they would have value is because of demand, not just because of capitalism. You can't just extract value, you have to sell shit so consumers, so does it even matter if it's capitalism or not.. consumers will still want shit regardless of any economic models.
Blaming capitalism is just a weak argument against the reality that humans, and all life, is opportunistic. Whenever life can achieve better times by consuming more .. it does. Plants grow faster and consume more minerals, animals that out compete others for food from faster and try to dominate. It really has jack and shit to do with capitalism, humans will always try to get ahead of each other and gain advantages over each other as a general behavior learned from millions of years of survival. 
You see the same exact behavior in socialism or any other economic/government models you think think up. People will look for the loopholes and exploit the system to elevate themselves above their peers. Waiting for humans to unlearn millions of years of competition for survival will be a long wait and blaming any one economic model for what is obviously core human behavior will never accomplish anything. You're basically just screaming at the sky blaming life for doing what life does to survive this long.
You can want humans to be better than that, but realistically we are just slightly evolved primates and unlearning competitive behavior and greed is just not going to happen anytime soon. 
In more socialist economic models people still cheat and steal from each other, greed is not magically solved. Unions fight for unfair advantages on each other, but the big difference is just all the extra overhead required when you try to micromanage supply. You wind up with shortages and poor uses of resources because it productivity becomes too much about politics.
The only proven system and the one that makes sense is balancing capitalism vs socialism or private vs public power so they fight each other for power and THAT is what empowers citizens the most. 
The other scenarios or too much public or too much private power just steals power from citizens by having a lopewided power distribution. Politicians or rich businessmen wind up with far too much power in all those examples. It's better to pit the consolidation of power between government and business KNOWING damn well humans will behave like that... not think you will change human behavior all that much. >

Well the earth only has to last us til I'm dead, apparently that's the prevailing attitude. 
Kinda sucks for the future but I guess we don't care about those guys lol >

To think that there really are people who still think that China is not Russia's ally through all this >

"Please let Russia win." >

Fascist says what? >

EU to China.  Nope. >

EU to China: Drop claims to Taiwan. >

no >

Fuck China >

So where are the CCP hacks and their comments about China being on Ukraine's side and identifying with Ukraine? 
The CCP is desperate for a Russian victory to pave the path forward for its planned invasion of Taiwan >

Chinese military is the even more corrupt imitation of the Russian one. >

Common sense approach. Ukraine won’t regain their lost territory. Negotiate. >

Ukraine: regains back 50-55% of territory lost since Feb 2022
Adjective-adjective[number]: “Ukraine should negotiate their capitulation, no way they can get back annexed territory” >

This guy’s face says it all lol. >

Lol - nope, here have some hunny. >

China: Maybe you let us take half of Taiwan now, and the other half later? >

on behalf of my european friends.
no >

Go play with your ballons China. >

EU to China: "No. No, I don't think I will." >

Screw you, China. >

China is not even bothering to hide the fact that it is allying itself with Putin. >

Lol All talk China. All talk >

The world to China: stfu forever, yeah? >

I’d say EU should tell the Chinese to fuck off >

And I suppose they gonna listen when EU says "bro Taiwan is like not really China anymore" >

Sure - someone invades a sovereign nation and China says - naaah - give ‘em what they want. The concept of appeasement in a nutshell. >

No. And please, don't let the door hit you on your way out. >

All I got out of this article: "Ukraine is an independent state..."
-Fu Cong, the Chinese ambassador to the EU. >

hmm, interesting interesting.
Now i know i no longer count as an EU citizen, but might I just say... get fucked China, and to a much larger extent russia. >

Yes, please drop the nonsense Ukraine will still have the crappy parts not touching sea ports. And we do not wish to fight such opposition when we take over Taiwan. /s >

Tell Putin to peacefully surrender and give back Crimea and then maybe we can stop talking with a giant balloon between us. >

Like telling rape victims to drop calls for "complete bodily autonomy". >

Maybe control your dog up North. >

How about no? >

No. >

yeah the E.U.  should drop china for supporting a war in europe. >

Boooooooo >

He's right, it will include parts of Russia ;) >

"No..." *click >

we all knew which side China is on from the beginning >

China is stupid. Their positions on Ukraine and Taiwan completely contradict each other. >

Right after Ukraine kicks Russia's Ass, we can settle this war with agreed on further punishment for Russia for all the stupid shit they've caused >

Long live Ukraine >

How bout no? >

China, you backed the wrong side, so just shut up. >

What about if the war was the balloons we met along the way? >

Suddenly Nena becomes a prophet. >

Fuck China. That little Winnie the pooh looking piece of shit can go fuck himself. >

How’s “get fucked” sound, China? >

Could start calling for Russia's complete defeat... Keep everyone happy >

How about negotiation about Tibet? I wonder if you would like it, pighead! >

They probably think that if Russia is allowed to keep part of Ukraine because it used to be part of USSR it makes their argument over Taiwan stronger. >

The problem evaluating China and the CCP is the degree of lying to protect honor or alter shame to honor is immeasurable.  We can't know who or what the person responding is working with.  We can't know what the entity that did the balloon is trying to accomplish once the discovery was made.  They downplay it's relevance publicly, but know they're in deep trouble over the tech and content of the balloon once recovered.  That creates honor in making it seem honorable to stand up forcefully to prevent the shame that comes from being caught, not that they did it, but that they got caught. Now, "China" is telling the EU to let Russia partially conquer a foreign country, not of their own country, while playing games with the EU for a host of reasons as the CCP and their minions in industry are finally being revealed to be thieves and pirates.  Airbus and their thousands of suppliers already know this from the CCP's release of their great new short haul commercial airliner that might as well be an Airbus A320.
The problem is made worse because the CCP is masterful at disinformation and propaghanda while having thousands of operatives and loyalists within the entirety of academia and governments globally.  The masses can't evaluate if the CCP operative masquerading as a smiple researcher or content expert for a government is actually lying their asses off while making sure the research and content of known issues shows up as useless.  We also have n idea that the person's family is in some sort of a damn prison or situation where the CCP is threatening their family in China while they desire to be free of the tyrannical regime.
The best path for dealing with a usurper and a liar is to not provide them any content or forum from which they can lie.  In this case, the EU's response to the CCP is simply, if we wanted your opinion on the situation, we will ask for it. Anything short of that leaves them believing they're allowed to have an opinion.  It's also providing something near past behaviors should they only deeem part of Taiwan necessary, they can say that in accordance with international precedent with Russia and part of Ukraine, we only negotiate the end of hostilities if you let us keep what we stole.
Nonse.  All of it. >

Piss off China. >

Nah. No pasarán. >

China is an ally of Russia. >

China squeaks like a mouse when it wants to appear like an elephant >

I call for the complete victory for the independent republic of Taiwan..... so there, nyah. >

Russia is a bad-faith actor, calling for negotiations over battlefield victory is just calling for Ukraine's capitulation to their genocidal invaders. Fuck off China >

I don’t remember asking China. >

How about we don’t. >

EU to China: Nah. >

Civilized world to china: Fuck off. >

Guy’s gotta be Fu Cong kidding… 🚪 >

I'm sure China's wishes on this will be given in the EU the attention they deserve... >

EU to China: Nah >

Everyone else to china about this - fuck off >

West Taiwan is outraged >

No. 
Love, Europe >

Fuck off Chinese Communist Party >

China: please let our buddy win : (( >

West Taiwan has nothing to say to Europe's outlook. >

China’s really in a roll this month.. >

Practice spin for the Taiwan invasion >

Excellent, what 20% of China are they going to give unconditionally to Ukraine. That goes for any country trying to tell Ukraine to give up there land while they are winning the war. >

EU to China: how about no? >

No. >

China is back to its "Wolf Warrior" mode after being caught with their pants down with the balloon fiasco.  Now they want to revert back to alienating the rest of the Western world; giving demands to sovereign nations on who they can visit or deal with; and it looks like they're going "all in" with Russia.  China has a demographic problem, an energy problem, an agriculture problem, and a debt problem; in which they will need the help of Western countries to get out of.  Yeah, keep it up China -you're on a roll! >

The right place to end the war is at the negotiating table.  Right after Russia withdraws all its troops back to the pre-2014 borders.
China’s acting very weirdly since they want to pull the same shit in Taiwan.
They’re a hostile witness.