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Who tf cares?
Idk if this is an unpopular opinion >

Definitely not an unpopular opinion, I don’t care who you wanted to win (Beyoncé, Bad Bunny, Kendrick)… we all agree it shouldn’t have been Harry. >

Bad Bunny lol that shit sucks. Machine Gun Kelly sucks. Ozzy Osbourne winning best rock album. Come on. WTF are the Grammys but a circle jerk for the most rich and least talented. >

Bad bunny is the most popular artist globally right now, and I believe his tour broke records. I don’t really listen to his music but saying bad bunny sucks is just inaccurate. >

It's pretty accurate lol sales do not equal quality unfortunately >

Quality is subjective though, we all have different music tastes so what I think is quality, you may not think that and vise versa. And while the Grammys committee choices are subjective as well, I don’t think that he would have been nominated for multiple Grammys if his music objectively sucked. I don’t like harry that much but I can admit that his music has a good level of quality to it, same with Beyoncé and Adele and Lizzo and everyone else that was nominated in different categories. I genuinely don’t think bad bunny would have been nominated for album of the year if it didn’t deserve that recognition, but we can agree to disagree. >

Quality is not subjective, but tastes are. He is nominated in order to keep the Grammys relevant, because they are more irrelevant now than ever before. If they nominated artists that truly deserved these awards, viewership and advertising revenue would plummet. >

Of course quality is subjective.  There’s no such thing as an objective measurement of musical quality. You’re just taking your opinion and pretending like it’s not an opinion.  It is. You don’t like Bad Bunny, fine, I am ambivalent on the dude. But clearly a massive number of people disagree with you and find his music to be high quality. He was nominated because people disagree with you. No more to it than that. >

No. A shitty table is demonstrably low quality. A table that lasts 20, 30 years is demonstrably high quality. Music is the same way. To say that popularity = quality is just wrong. McDonald's is terrible quality food but it's arguably the most popular. 
In other words, Bad Bunny is the McDonald's of music. >

I have to agree, Pop is the fast food of the music industry. >

Why does anyone care about the fucking Grammys? >

Celebrity worship has ruined the US. >

Celebrity worship has been ruining the US. For decades. >

being british, I kinda interpreted it as him referring to his Northern England background, given that as an artist from the UK, any of our exports tend to be from London and it’s not often people from the north get global recognition if you aren’t from Manchester. But I feel u >

If this is the case then it ignores the fact that he was already the most famous member from a super famous boy band. >

But before that he wasn't. >

True. But I'm sure if he wasn't in One Direction before then his words would have more impact. 
It's like if Beyonce, Camila Cabello, or the lateJohn Lennon said the same thing despite being in famous groups before. >

I don't know much about him, but from this thread it sounds like he comes from a background where he was not rich and didn't have the playing field a lot of the biggest stars have, achieving his success more through hard work than pre establish connections. Acknowledging that seems significant >

Yeah, but as other people have pointed out, that was a decade and several hundred million dollars ago. I don't think it's appropriate for him to keep playing the poor card. >

You don't lose the right to claim your own story. >

Actually, you lose the right to act poor and disenfranchised when you become wealthy, famous and are in one of the best selling boy bands of all time, (One Direction). He already got out of that time a while ago. 
“People like me”, you mean famous people? He might have meant it honestly and personally but it just comes off weird to the public eye. >

So to be clear, if someone has a super popular debut album, you think they lose the right to reflect on their own life's journey if the 2nd album is popular too? >

No, as I tried to allude to, it has to do with the “People like me” comment. He’s no longer disadvantaged. I already said he was probably honest and sincere about it. I don’t what this “life’s journey” stuff has to do with it lol >

Just use common sense.  Do you think he said "People like me" to mean, "People in groups that have sold out stadiums all over the world?" or "People from places like Redditch." >

I would assume "people like me" is a reference to his life before he was famous.  I have no idea whether he grew up rich or poor, but I presume he was mostly ordinary until he wasn't. >

The ignorance, man. It's like you assume white people can't be marginalised in some way. It's like you believe that celebrities all started off as average joes or something, and not that 95% of those with "celebrity" status haven't come from enormously wealthy backgrounds. Get a clue.
I'm not a Harry Styles fan, but the kid came from a modest background in the North of England. Celebrity status ISNT the kind of thing that happens often to people from the north. He got recognised for winning a talent show, competing against 100,000 applications. That kind of thing DOESN'T happen often.
English people aren't all wealthy, or offered endless opportunities. England is incredibly overpopulated, and has some wild class segregation. There's a culture within England to "stay in your lane", compared to America's "you can be anything" attitude. 99% of people born into a class, stay in that class. >

How about let’s stop dividing people by who they are and just look at it as someone accepting an award? The more we divide ourselves the more hate spreads. >

Yea I kind of agree here.. Had this been his first award or even first Grammy, I'd give it to him but this isn't his first rodeo so why is he still harping on his past disadvantages when they don't apply anymore? >

he became a multi millionaire at 16. His comments was out of line >

He was raised in a small town by a single mother living in an apartment over a tavern. She remarried while he was in high school and then his step father died a few years ago. While it is correct that he has come a long way, I think he is referring to most people who start where he came from won’t see this level of fame. It just keeps getting better and better for him. I am happy for him. He could still be the kid working in a bakery if he hasn’t taken a chance. If other people see remembering where you came from as not genuine, I think that reflects on you more than them. >

And now he makes shit music that someone else writes while he coasts on his looks. >

Well all music is subjective, as I think a lot of the nominees make shit music, so. But also he has the main writing credit on all tracks on the album this and seems to be the case of all his albums. If you’re just lamely hypothesizing that he has ghostwriters then I can just hypothesize that whoever you like does too. He’s not exactly my cup of tea but your critiques make no sense >

Considering outside of pop music, the norm is for one or two writers to be credited, while in pop music, we see 5+ numbers on their tracks, I don't think it's fair to say he writes his own music. It's unknown how large a contribution he even has. Also, I would agree most of the nominees make shit music. >

Almost all the songs on the winning album have three writers credited, him being first and his lead guitarist being second. I don’t think it’s a fair assumption to make without going to check the credits. It’s unknown how large a contribution any artist has unless someone comes out against them, so it’s only fair to take the credits as truth unless proven otherwise and he’s had 0 reports of ghostwriters or anything. >

Solo artists shouldn’t collaborate in any capacity gotta be the dumbest take I’ve ever heard good god. >

It's not collaborative. "Solo" means it's one artist, not multiple. On top of that, collaboration doesn't mean having someone else write the songs. >

I just don’t understand what you want. He’s a singer… not a guitar player/drummer/any other instrument. He’s not supposed to have people write the music he sings over? I’m sure he has input on what it sounds like but he’s supposed to write every aspect when that’s not his strength? What “solo” artist does that???? Any?????? >

A hefty amount of them do. There's much more than pop music out there. >

how many times has the won the award? i think hes technically correct in that it doesnt happen to him often >

I'm sure he didnt mean his win. He ment his success in general. He acknowledges that it's hard to get to where he is with his financial background before he was famous. I think that opinion is based >

I agree. It seems rather obvious. >

I'd say it's more of an upbringing thing. Compared to other artists like Drake or Lorde who have had assistance in their career.
It is sincere in the fact that comparatively speaking he was at a disadvantage compared to many artists within industry and it doesn't happen often that someone wins without having some sort of connection. 
If you zoom out and look at the timeline it is impressive. If you zoom in on his recent projects and fame yes it seems like another pop star winning another award. >

The issue is it came across like a "read the room" & "sore winner" moment. Sore winner being a term that was explored in a 2019 article on how people who are at the top of their game & so successful they are considered the establishment of their industries can't seem to shake the 'underdog' narrative they have about themselves. The memorable examples the article gave was Donald Trump, Taylor Swift & Nicki Minaj.
While for Harry Styles personally his journey must feel like yesterday to him, One Direction broke up so long ago there's a whole generation that doesn't even know about it. The young teenage One Direction fans are now adults in their mid-20s who reminisce online about how insane their fandom days were. One Direction were so young when they won ex-factor, it's comparable to the Jenner sisters, where no one knows what adult life they would have lead without fame and wealth, not even themselves. Plus he's a straight white man who's refused to address the queer-baiting accusations. He's been a globally successful solo pop star for years & has successfully transitioned into acting in films alongside industry respected actors like Florence Pugh, Gemma Chan, Chris Pine. There's not a compelling argument for "this doesn't happen to people like me" to resonate with anyone but himself at this point in his career. >

Side note: he successfully transitioned to acting because he gets offered jobs because he's famous, but he's a terrible actor. >

Which proves the point he's well beyond "this doesn't  happen to people like me" days >

He’s talking about his background. Coming from a small town. When he auditioned for X Factor, they didn’t even think he was good enough to continue in the competition as a solo artist. He’s looking back at his whole history and marveling at the fact that now he has won AOTY. >

Do you still waste your time watching this fucking clown shows? >

He’s from Redditch he’s dead right that kind of fame and recognition doesn’t happen often to people like him. He’s not like billie eillish or Taylor swift or any of the other countless famous artists that already had wealth and industry connections. >

The thing is that I don't think that's fitting to the Harry Styles of now, if he won that award 6 years ago I would think it's sincere and that that argument is correct, but as of now he has an estructure, a fucking big one. He has connections, he is one of the biggest stars on the planet. And I think you're losing the focus because of focusing on those years.
The focus isn't "Unknown Harry Styles that started in the X factor and very young, with no structure has won an award" 
But " Super Popstar Harry Styles after being in One Direction, with a net worth of 120 million and already 2 prior succesful chart topping albums has won an award"
He is so far beyond that, which is very admirable but as of 2023 I don't see how "people like him normally don't win grammys". It's just not as it was (pun intended). >

I'm not that old, but I'm older than the Harry Styles demographic and I'm here to tell you that, "Can you believe I ended up here from where I began?" is a thought that never stops going through the mind.
If anything, the longer you live and the more that you see, the more reflective you get.  It's pretty normal for someone earning a crowning achievement to start thinking about the whole journey that brought them to this point. >

Who fucking cares?   Why are you wasting your time following the Grammys. >

The Grammy is the most worthless award anyone can get in entertainment. >

Better yet. Who gives a fuck! Couldn’t tell you a single person that won a Grammy until your post. In fact, didn’t even know the fake awards happened. Sad people follow it. >

Maybe he meant where he came from because he didn’t grow up in a rich or particularly musical family >

He got famous through x-factor and was in a boyband. Winning a AOTY at the Grammys is not something that happens to people with that background. >

The same way in which I responded to other people I think I can respond to you, because I believe we just have a different focus about this.
It's not about Harry going through the x-factor and being in a boyband all those years ago. The focus isn't the boyband as something bad, it wasn't any boyband, it was the boyband, and it definitely wasn't something bad for his career being there.
Being in One Direction not only made him extremely wealthy, but gave him an enormous fanbase and platform, and since 2017 (5 years ago) he has been dropping chart topping albums on his own, I'm sorry but as of now and for the last years Harry Styles hasn't had any struggles when it comes to having success in music and being praised for it. It's not 2010. It's 2023.
His structure is so big his comment almost seems like a joke, a true "unlikely winner" would be an artist with no structure, no platform and no team of writers and producers, but Harry Styles has all of that, and has had them for years. Again, if he won this years ago I would praise it and what he said would be fitting, but he won now. And for years now there's nothing holding him back or making him an "unlikely winner".
This is all still just my perspective though. >

You've made valid points but then again he's worked hard to build that structure around him. For comparison just look at his bandmates from 1D. They can't even get nominations at the Grammys let alone hope to win one of the 4 major categories. Similar for any other other boyband alums because they just aren't taken seriously enough to be seen as real 'music artists'. 
Also his background is of a common man who just got lucky to have made it this big. I'm sure if you asked him at 16 what his dreams were he would said to have a good paying job and a family or something. Not be a world famous pop star winning the biggest award in music when he wasn't even a musician back then. >

Victim mentality is all the rage. >

This isn't an unpopular opinion, this is a complaint about something a single guy on TV said >

see this is literally taken WAYYYY out of context. He’s said this during tour too. He means to say that hes grateful for his career lmao. By the “this happen to ppl like me” comment, the guy used to work in a bakery at 16, had no prospects and failed in the X factor competition. By saying that he’s literally saying that he’s surprised he’s reach this far bc he never saw it happening, also even after 1D there was a moment of insecurity about his solo career abd all, no one expected him to be successful as he is now ppl thought he would be one of those deadbeat guys that falls off after the band. It was clearly meant as a gratitude thing idk why ppl are bringing race into it >

Sooner or later, the winners are just going to grab the award and walk off without saying anything. And even then people will still gripe. >

Woah, when did racism & sexism get involved? >

When someone breathed and someone else didn't like it 😂 >

Sounds like the usual these days… >

People are acting like he grew up poor, but he was middle class. And he has had a privileged career ever since he was 16. I’m not seeing this "hardship and oppression" that people say he’s experienced. >

THIS.
I remember back when One Direction first started, Harry was painted as the "Posh One" because he was raised in a very middle-class part of Cheshire (Versus Zayn Malik who grew up in Bradford in very working class surroundings).
It's WILD to me that now I'm seeing multiple people talk about his "working class" background, acting like he's breaking some sort of imaginary glass ceiling. >

Being a disadvantaged victim is so hot right now. >

You obvs don’t know much about him. Yeah he’s rich and successful now but he was a pretty working class kid that grew up with a single mum in the North of england. Anybody that is aware of where he came from and the circumstances of his upbringing can appreciate this. >

I am aware. I just don't agree. 
To me it's not about Harry going through working class, the x-factor and having no structure all those years ago.
Being in One Direction not only made him extremely wealthy, but gave him an enormous fanbase and platform, and since 2017 (5 years ago) he has been dropping chart topping albums on his own, I'm sorry but as of now and for the last years Harry Styles hasn't had any struggles when it comes to having success in music and being praised for it. It's not 2010. It's 2023.
His structure is so big his comment almost seems like a joke, a true "unlikely winner" would be an artist with no structure, no platform and no team of writers and producers, but Harry Styles has all of that, and has had them for years. Again, if he won this years ago I would praise it and what he said would be fitting, but he won now. And for years now there's nothing holding him back or making him an "unlikely winner".
This is all still just my perspective though. Maybe he was once an unlikely winner but for him to still think of himself as one is weird to me. >

I see where you are coming from! >

you lost me at "young white male"