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Not a whole lot bolder than anywhere else. Just stick to West of the Cascades and you'll be fine (living i mean, visiting the east side is fine)
the exemptions for law enforcement, licensed security professionals, hunting groups, and self defense orgs are a nice touch. /s >


exemptions for ...

... the actual partisan paramilitary groups. >

Oregon has a particularly large number of such groups for whatever reason. The bill which received a hearing:

HB 2572 would expand the definition of illegal paramilitary activity in Oregon and would allow the attorney general to petition a judge to halt the actions of a group if the AG "has reasonable cause to believe that any person or group of persons has engaged in or is about to engage in paramilitary activity." The bill would also allow a private citizen to sue a member or all members of a paramilitary group that has infringed upon his or her constitutional right by means of intimidation. >

Yeah it's kind of surprising Oregon doesn't get mentioned more in the national conversation about historic/contemporary racism. It was literally founded as a white ethnostate! >

Seems like this is geared towards the secessionists in eastern OR >

Also groups like the Proud Boys. The sponsor mentions the need to go after Neo-Nazi groups. >

The secessionist fill those positions too >

Let's just say there's quite a bit of overlap in that venn diagram. >

is a perfect circle really a venn diagram? >

Decent band >

The way this bill is written I can see it being used by the police to target protesters and left wing groups in general >

Tons of people shoot as a hobby and shoot together with others who may or may not protest later.
This is not going to protect lawful groups from being harassed, investigated, and potentially arrested by police who know damn well they can abuse laws like this even if it doesn’t ultimately result in a conviction >

In the 80s, these groups sprung up after watching Red Dawn because they fantasized about leading guerrilla warfare against a Russian invasion. Nowadays, they're doing it because Tucker Carlson told them democrats want to force them to get vaccinated against Covid. >

Nowadays they fantasize about leading guerrilla warfare against fellow Americans. >

Say no to domestic terrorists >

Which is the entire party formerly known as Republicans. >

They're still known as that >

I hope they go after Andy Ngo >

Homophobe >

Andy Ngo is gay? News to me. Regardless, going after him for being a nazi isn't homophobic. >

As someone who’s moving to Oregon next month, glad to see it. One of my biggest hangups about Oregon was that right-wing nut jobs seem pretty bold out there. For as long as I live there, I intend to vote as much and as often as possible to curb the right’s ability to oppress and do violence. >

Not a whole lot bolder than anywhere else. Just stick to West of the Cascades and you'll be fine (living i mean, visiting the east side is fine) >

Uh no. Just no. Either they did something wrong and you can get them now or they didn't. You don’t get to make something retroactively illegal then go after people. >

This is clearly apolitical legislation targeting conservatives /s >

Why do we need a bill to crack down on things that are already illegal? >

Read the article, it allows for more avenues of prosecution >

Are there "legal" paramilitary groups? >

I would assume they’re all legal as long as they’re not engaging in terrorism, human trafficking, drug dealing, etc. 
it very clearly states in the constitution the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. That a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state. I mean that’s about as cut and dry as it gets as far as supreme law goes. Whatever bill this is, will be deemed unconstitutional and be struck down. >

No. Private militias are illegal in all 50 states. >

Source? >

But Bill hasn’t been President for over 20 years! >

Why do they need a bill to crack down on illegal terror cells? >


"We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs here, gentlemen! We must do something..."

- Governor Lepetomane (Mel Brooks), Blazing Saddles. >

Good idea, Bill. I'd do the same. >

Hell yes! Go Bill! Bill's a legend >

Big job. They are entrenched. >

Lol at everyone being like “they’re trynna stop blue groups from progressing”. 
Like, y’all realize Oregon has voted blue ever since they allowed mail in ballots in the 80s? Check your own dumbass conspiracies before you start assuming the country is out to get your favorite team. >

What’s the deal with OR and these militias? >

Most of the democrats live in Portland. Drive 20 minutes out of Portland and it's Trumpland for miles and miles. >

Most of the Willamette valley is Democrat, also where most of the people live in Oregon. >

Most of the people live in Portland metro. But are you saying that places like Silver Falls, St. Paul, Newberg, McMinnville, Yamhill, Sandy, Estacada, Woodburn, Wilsonville, Dallas, that these places are also Democrats. I've lived in the valley for the past 6 years and I'm pretty sure that's Hicksville. >

They mean Salem and Eugene.  Those tiny methed out cities you mentioned are mostly trump country.  Been here my whole life. >

I wouldn't even consider most of the towns listed the worst offenders. Hell, I'd definitely expect Wilsonville and maybe even Woodburn to vote more democrat than Salem most of the time and I live in Salem. You generally need to get south of Roseburg or East of the cascades to see the really backwards stuff out in the open. >

Wasn’t it Oregon back in 2016 to 2020 sometime that a group of men held out against police for almost 3 weeks ? >

Thank you >

Round up those domestic terrorists and ship them to Guantanamo... >

Gravy seals are in shambles >

Wont this go after leftist groups as well? Careful what you wish for. >

I personally am ok with cracking down on paramilitary groups of any leanings. No one should be using weapons to intimidate or terrorize people. >

Until an antifa member gets arrested and then y’all burn down more buildings >

Terrorists and their bases. >

It's okay, ypu can just say Republicans now.
They prefer it. >

Eastern Oregon is YIKES. >

Eli5: doesn’t the 2nd amendment protect the right to create militias?
Edit: getting downvoted for asking an honest question.  Never change,
Reddit. >

No. That's the "well regulated" part that the gun psychos gloss over. Private militias are illegal. >

Are there regulations in the books for running a legal militia? >

"Legal militias" are laid out in the Constitution as having officers appointed by the state, and engage in training and discipline under the authority of the state subject to the rules set by Congress for operating a militia. >

Gotcha.  I know you’re not google but I’m curious if you know- are there any legal, government recognized militias in operation?  Has there ever been in modern history?  I understand we used them in our countries beginnings but I’m curious if anyones tried to jump through the loop holes and done it again >

That’s pretty cool! >

What is a paramilitary group? Is that not another word for a militia which is protected by the second amendment? Someone help me understand here WITHOUT bias >

Private militias are not protected by it. They are illegal in all 50 states. Paramilitary are ideologically driven armed gangs that we see at every fringe right gathering in their military cosplay outfits. And, some are on trial now for their participation on 1/6. >

Then what is the marked difference between a public and a private militia? 
And to be cracking down on these “armed gangs” is kinda weird when I’ve never heard of public shootouts between militias but I have heard of mass shootouts between the real gangs of crips, ms-13, and whatever inner city gangs be going on in CHI, LA, BAL, NY, OAK, and NOLA, just to name a few. Kinda weird how we never publicly “crack down” on the actual violent and distributive gangs in our society but instead keep them going as an excuse to chip away at our constitutional right to form and maintain a militia. >

The difference is the dog whistle hangs you mentioned largely attack each other.
Terrorists like proud boys and atomwaffen and other right wingers attack the public >

The only people the mention the “proud boys” is reddit. Outside of reddit, no one talks about them or even know it’s a thing. They’re like an imaginary boogeyman for adults lmfao. >

Nope, they’ve been showing up to my cities school board meetings for a while now, along with trying to intimidate any lgbt groups in the area. They’re definitely real >

Cool, so this will be used on antifa and blm right? >

Well, they're not paramilitary groups... but yeah, probably.
As the saying goes, cops and klan go hand in hand. >

the exemptions for law enforcement, licensed security professionals, hunting groups, and self defense orgs are a nice touch. /s >


exemptions for ...

... the actual partisan paramilitary groups. >

Oregon has a particularly large number of such groups for whatever reason. The bill which received a hearing:

HB 2572 would expand the definition of illegal paramilitary activity in Oregon and would allow the attorney general to petition a judge to halt the actions of a group if the AG "has reasonable cause to believe that any person or group of persons has engaged in or is about to engage in paramilitary activity." The bill would also allow a private citizen to sue a member or all members of a paramilitary group that has infringed upon his or her constitutional right by means of intimidation. >

Yeah it's kind of surprising Oregon doesn't get mentioned more in the national conversation about historic/contemporary racism. It was literally founded as a white ethnostate! >

Seems like this is geared towards the secessionists in eastern OR >

Also groups like the Proud Boys. The sponsor mentions the need to go after Neo-Nazi groups. >

The secessionist fill those positions too >

Let's just say there's quite a bit of overlap in that venn diagram. >

is a perfect circle really a venn diagram? >

Decent band >

The way this bill is written I can see it being used by the police to target protesters and left wing groups in general >

Tons of people shoot as a hobby and shoot together with others who may or may not protest later.
This is not going to protect lawful groups from being harassed, investigated, and potentially arrested by police who know damn well they can abuse laws like this even if it doesn’t ultimately result in a conviction >

In the 80s, these groups sprung up after watching Red Dawn because they fantasized about leading guerrilla warfare against a Russian invasion. Nowadays, they're doing it because Tucker Carlson told them democrats want to force them to get vaccinated against Covid. >

Nowadays they fantasize about leading guerrilla warfare against fellow Americans. >

Say no to domestic terrorists >

Which is the entire party formerly known as Republicans. >

They're still known as that >

I hope they go after Andy Ngo >

Homophobe >

Andy Ngo is gay? News to me. Regardless, going after him for being a nazi isn't homophobic. >

As someone who’s moving to Oregon next month, glad to see it. One of my biggest hangups about Oregon was that right-wing nut jobs seem pretty bold out there. For as long as I live there, I intend to vote as much and as often as possible to curb the right’s ability to oppress and do violence.