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You realize I don’t care, yes? It’s a statement on the willingness of the US to never hesitate when it comes to spending money on killing people.
Damn. That is huge. More than €1000 per capita >

Somewhat amusingly, I have already spent more on Ukraine than €1000 in 2022 (am Norwegian). >

Hookers? >

I directly paid the army so they could get weapons. >

what paypal account is this ? (semi serious but still serious question) >

ah well SEPA is good enough >

It’s amazing to me that Norway is proposing this when I read that the population of Norway is less than the population of Minnesota (Minnesota 5.7M, Norway 5.4M). >

Norway has the world's largest sovereign wealth fund, providing a value of roughly $250,000 per Norwegian. They dumped all the surplus profits from their huge oil and gas reserves into it.
That 7 billion is pocket change for them >

We could give €70bn over 5 years and we wouldn't really notice that much of a difference in anything. >

No because that kind of liberal spending doesn't build this fund, saving saving saving does.
Classic liberal >

We don’t have money because conservatives (predominantly) decided wealthy individuals and corporations need to be given handouts in the form of tax breaks. The spending patterns in the US are pretty benign compared to the rest of the world. Every other advanced country spends 5-20% more of their GDP than we do. We simply refuse to collect enough in tax revenue to operate effectively as a government. There’s no other way around that. Arguing that it’s liberal spending is a waste of breath, although I’m sure it makes you feel better. >

If you’re pro-taxes then I don’t care what else you think about spending, we can be on the same team lol >

Yes, high taxes to not be spent now and instead infinitely reinvested (ie never to be given back out as direct stimulus in any form to people as welfare cheques or any such degenerate wasted money), the closest thing to welfare money should be spent on is infrastructure (not bike lanes or highways, actually useful infrastructure like power generation and internet infrastructure to be owned by the state) >

Lol you do you my friend but you may be striking the hardest bargain imaginable by including highways (and presumably every other form of lesser transportation infrastructure) in that statement >

Itl never happen anyways
Degenerate liberals will get elected, raise taxes and spend alllll that money giving heroin addicts stimulus to send right off to the worst place on earth and in history, China, in exchange for cheap shit directly funding the authoritarinaization of humanity when our financial resources are drained and they pass the west in gdp and take us over instead of investing it properly and giving those scumfuckers in that shit hole the global fuck you >

Briton is also working on a 5 year aid supply to Ukraine. >

Which one? Fern? >

This coming a week after the press release of Norway buying new Leo2A7+ tanks to replace their aging Leo2A4NOs, pretty sure those will be ukranian a year from now. >

They are making so much from the gas price increases and the need for Europe to replace Russian gas, the Norwegian government has said that they want as much of that profit to go back to ukraine as possible as to not be considered war profiteering. >

Fuck yeah Norway >

That's some real money, if the rest of europe  proportionately would do the same, it would be profound. >

That's a lot of fucking money even for a large GDP nation. WTF Norway! >

In my eyes it’s a good mix of good policy and plain luck. 
One thing is Norway being lucky with our natural reserves, especially oil, in relation to our population. Another lucky coincidence is the less known story of the IIRC former oil minister of Irak, who’d seen first hand how an oil industry completely controlled by the government led to the regime of Saddam Hussein, had fled said regime - to Norway - where he contacted the government just as they found oil and warned them not to go full private or state ownership/control over the industry. This led to Norway going for a hybrid model where the state and privately owned companies keep each other in check. >

Buy shit for small funds or soldiers directly. Big funds like Prytula's fund or "Come back alive" are also not controlled by government and are considered trustworthy. >

Thanks! That's the answer I was looking for. >

I disagree with your position about "corrupt and ungrateful" and think it's still useful to support this government. But if you think so and still want to help, yeah, there's your answer. Just wanted to clarify. >

I am yet to find one which cannot be described as corrupt and ungrateful in general. As far as Ukrainian government, I've noticed a wave of anti-corruption news headlines these weeks. And Zelensky made it very clear back in summer that he doesn't appreciate my contributions to UAF. >

How so? >

By instigating a massive anti-Russian campaign. >

Surely you can recognise that it’s not aimed at you? If you know you’re not part of the problem (indeed, by donating you’re part of the solution instead!), I’d think it’s pretty easy, cognitively, to exclude yourself as a target?
That being said, if you’re uncomfortable with U24, you can always donate to smaller groups of soldiers directly (like a particular battalion), or humanitarian efforts like the World Kitchen. This has been my choice, for example, when I’ve made donations - I like to be able to see my efforts make a difference directly (I have donated to a few drone groups for them fundraising to make bulk amounts of the FPV ones). >

Well done Norway! Class act. >

Is there a particular reason or historical context that the scandinavian countries invest(ed) in the "Iron curtain" nations? I came across something like that when I first read the Girl with the dragon tattoo series many years ago and did some basic googling but did not find out much. >

I don't have the answer you're probably looking for, but Norway in particular creates a sort of soft global power by donating a lot to humanitarian projects. You can also notice a lot of the leadership in global  organizations are Norwegian or Scandinavian as well. The Nobel peace price is awarded in Norway, the head of NATO is a former Norwegian prime minister, Jagland comes to mind as well.
There are people arguing that this is a way for Norway to stay relevant and to get a voice in the world, when the population consists of only 5m people. The Norwegian sovereign pension fund holds 1.4% of all the worlds listed companies on average, this also plays a role in maintaining some soft power. >

And don't forget Jan Egeland, the "United Nations Superhero Man". >

Egeland! 👏👏
Egeland! 👏👏 >

Ja! >

They might not have piles of military gear to send like Poland but they do have piles of money. >

Norway just gave 8 leopard 2 tanks. >

Norway is fucking awesome. >

Showing other countries how it’s done. Nice to see >

Just a quick question from someone who is still young and not invested in politics.
will ukraine have to pay back all the aid it gets from other nations?,my understanding of aid and weapons "donations" is that the nation needs to pay back their "debt", what i am thinking is something like the greece crises.
and if not, aren't those the people taxes? Doesn't that affect other governments in the long run?
Please note i am still 17 and kinda sheltered from the world >

Whatever Norwegian grants that go to Ukraine will not have to be paid back but they might come with demands of anti-corruption work or pro-democratic goals being met but the situation is very different for Norway right now because of how much money is coming in from gas as a direct result of this war. >

Just do it. You can afford, with all the petrol gains of last year. It would be a great symbolic gesture. >

Pretty sure handing over a couple billion in aid is a lot more than just symbolic. >

💀 >


soaring electricity and food prices.

Imagine how bad it is in Ukraine. >

He’s doing the mr beast pose >

Crazy to think US has already given more then all the other countries combine for aid . Talk about being Ukraine’s sugar daddy, no wonder why the president is always talking to daddy Biden about needing more . I’m sure Reddit agree this is a good move , I just wonder how the other population feel about it. Not just the republicans but the people outside of this bubble . >

Lol why would you pledge so much when Ukraine has openly said hey we’re having corruption issues. Somebody’s definitely getting a new boat >

Unlike America it’s not expected that contractors vastly overcharge based on political contributions or kickbacks. We call it corruption in other countries. In America, it’s just being a good businessperson. >

Yeh but Ukraine is literally firing higher ups for not using funds properly. That has nothing to do with the u.s. we didn’t say here’s some tanks and btw go buy a Porsche on us >

5 years huh. Will there be a Ukraine in 5 years? Maybe sending all of it now, then nothing for the next 4 years would be more useful. >

Understated point. The war is already about a year in. Given the recent losses idk if there will be a Ukraine in 5 years unless the west makes major moves. >

If the west wants Ukraine to win they can just decide to do it, there is so much more they can do but the trick is to not do more than Russia still feels it can win with a conventional war. >

I think we should (with the permission of Ukraine) conduct a training exercise. A exercise where a few hundred thousand NATO troops occupy all of the land West of the Dnipro and conduct troop training. You know stuff like how to employ a Abrams tank, aerial refueling, combat medical training, river patrols, building a airfield and barracks, all the basics. >

Send it to Turkey instead. >

No. >

I think that the amount should have been at least $12 billion. Since Norway isn‘t an EU member, it doesn‘t contribute to the EU‘s budgets for Ukraine, as far as I know. >

Sorry, but I think that €14.5 million isn’t noteworthy. I think that Norway should have contributed at least €145 million to the European Peace Facility.
According to the EU’s press release, the Norwegian government announced on Oct 31 its decision to support EUMAM Ukraine with a voluntary financial contribution of NOK 150 million (about €14.5 million) to the European Peace Facility. >

Child’s play. USA have over 100 fucking billion in the past year. You’d think we have healthcare over here or something. >

You realise the scale difference in population size, yes?