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Everything is un-islamic. It's a fiction. Women's education has exactly nothing to do with any fairy tale.
Every time I read his name it feels like it’s  always in a sentence
I wouldn’t expect >

It's because he has no ideology. I mean he sort of has one, but it's never consistent. He is the Trump of Turkiye, he could have been a Democrat 20 years ago, and now a Republican. Right now Erdogan is ver nationalistic, but 20 years ago he was spearheading the movement against nationalism. 10 years ago, he wanted to be known as the leader who solved racism against Kurdish people. He just wants and says things that would make himself more powerful. He had his liberal phase, he now has his autocratic phase. He is a fierce capitalist, but promise him a lifetime of leadership and he'll turn his entire power structure into a communist party tomorrow.
Not giving any education to women is a pretty unpopular take, so it's no surprise he'd be against it. >

Calling Erdogan the "Trump of Turkiye" is dangerous for a number of reasons, not in the least because Erdogan is much smarter than Trump. He has always been very sly and thoughtful when it comes to Turkey's role on the international stage, careful to do enough to stay in the good graces of everyone, and in doing so, giving himself more wiggle room with his domestic policies despite how they may be perceived, by other members of NATO for example.
Saudi Arabia and Iran are often cited as the two major Muslim powers battling for dominance, but Erdogan no doubt sees an opportunity for Turkey to take on a greater role in Middle Eastern affairs, what with Iran melting down from the inside-out. Certainly, Turkey would not want to see the Saudis become more powerful. >

Iran is Persian, not Arab.
Edit: I am getting down voted because the person I responded to changed Arab to Muslim after I pointed it out, lol >

And were did he say Iran was Arab? >

I see an asterisk so they may have edited their comment from "Arab" to "Muslim" after having the mistake pointed out >

This guy's an embodiment of RNG. >

Real life mad lib >

Flip a coin, every time. >

Erdogan is speed running his telenovela good/evil personality changes.
One day,dressed in black with a mustache twirl. Next, dressing in white, rescuing puppies from crocodiles. >

Third day, killing crocodiles. >

That's Bob Katter's job >

Man Turkey is the most chaotic neutral country ever. 
You never know what side they will take on some issue. 
It's like rolling a d20 >

Thats Erdogan for you. He doesn’t believe in anything at all. He’s an opportunist, and a populist, and his stance on anything is subject to change. That being said, saying you should allow women education isn’t very controversial. >

I feel like he wants to rebuild the center of Islamic power around Turkey and be his own fashion of Ottoman Sultanate. >

truth to be to told, Islam really needs more moderate people. >

The last, I’d say, two centuries have been very problematic for Islam. Last nail in the coffin was the British involvement in the Middle East during and around WW1. >

That was 100 years ago, at some point they got to realize it's their problem to fix and no historic blaming will do the trick. >

Sure but stability doesn’t happen so quickly. The geopolitical situation in the Middle East is a quagmire.  The area is continually being destabilized by many different forces, internal and external. And radicalization is the natural conclusion for the impoverished and the uneducated, which makes the problems there cyclical. >

Not sure why people are surprised. Women are actually free to go to the university in Turkey. Afghanistan Taliban is just hella backwards by every standard. >

Considering the ever more authoritarian government in Turkyie it's just nice to see that not everything is bad. >

This is just the European propaganda machine because they don't like Turkish foreign policy. They call them authoritarian so they can sanction the shit out of them. In Turkey people drink, take drugs, fuck around party like in any other country. Women can do whatever the fuck they want. There's just a big disconnect just like in the US with rural areas and large city populous. Most Conservatives in the US live in rural areas just like in Turkey and support batshit crazy things like pro-life and shit. It's just that nobody really cares about the progressive half of Turkey thanks to media coverage. It'll be funny if the Democrats lose the next election. I expect the same sanctions and media coverage for the US, but that wont happen bc money. >

Erdogan is called authoritarian, which he is, not the Turkish people. Nothing propaganda about that >

Damn, you know you fucked up when erodgan is calling you out lmao. >

Taliban ban >

There ain't no ban like a Taliban ban >

Ain’t no ban like a taliban >

Tall Taliban ban >

They are Muslim in name only.  Similar to the Christian Nationalists.  They are only Christian in name.  Both groups use only the parts of the respective religions to control people and neither group follows the primary precept of both religions, which is love. >

Cant have a discussion about Islam without the inevitable "just like Christians tho!" >

Inhuman is a better term >

Yes, 100%, but.. Taliban don't consider "inhuman" a necessarily bad thing. On the other hand, their only claim to legitimacy as a group is being Islamic - hence their ban on opium and boy-rape. So accurately calling this as un-Islamic bears a lot more relevance in this context. >

It's worth noting that while the Taliban call themselves Islamic, their sect, called Wahabi, is not recognized by any other sect of Islam. The ideology of Wahabis violates several major rules of Islam. The largest offense has been their attempts to force Islam on others, which is explicitly forbidden in Islam.
Wahabis believe Muslims have not taken the religion seriously enough, and the two groups seek to destroy each other. Actual Muslims staunchly and violently resist these Wahabi groups. The distinction is critical, and real Muslims hate the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and ISIS even more than NATO does. >

Let them fight! >

You say that as if average Muslims are also the bad guys here, even though the whole point is that they reject extremism in Islam and are inherently enemies with the terrorist groups who launch violent attacks against everyone >

They “reject extremism” while stoning women for adultery and hanging atheists and everyone who leaves Islam. That’s not rejecting extremism. >

You realise the people who do such things are the wahabbis just mentioned right? >

Erdogan is really a hit or miss >

He is like 99% miss >

Better than his buds. Putin and Xing are 100% miss >

A lot of religious woman vote for him >

Don't know much about Islam, but even disregarding morality and international relations it's stupid as fuck. Afghanistan isn't really doing so well it can afford half of its smartest people to remain uneducated. >

Broken clock. >

I think this is a great example of how many of the things people think are problematic about islam are actually cultural practices and attitudes that coexist with Islam but do not emanate from it. Islam is incredibly pro education >

Islam is like extreme Evangelicals in the US. They don’t believe in evolution and are homophobic as can be. >

This is a really reductionist view. For starters there is nothing that contradicts the possibility of evolution in Islam and it is not considered anti-Islamic to believe in, study, or teach evolution as a science. This mirrors the more academically inclined sects of Christianity like Catholicism (esp. Jesuit teachings of Catholicism which support a large number of research universities). 
Judeo-Christian religions as well as the Islamic faiths consider being gay a sin along with many other things. Homophobia is not however limited to religion; most cultures globally and lower socioeconomic groups are broadly culturally conservative which includes being against homosexuality. I don’t know enough about the psychology behind this pattern to explain further but up until the last decade there were vanishingly few places in the globe where being gay did not come with persecution. In this regard, I think the United States can take some pride (no pun intended) in leading the mainstream shift in attitudes to homosexuality (as well as consciousness about social Justice in general). 
Are there groups of Muslims that have enormous overlap with US evangelicals? Of course.
But it’s complicated and a human issue more than a religious one IMO. >

Even the most westernized or progressive Islamic country turkey dropped the theory of evolution from the curriculum because it is considered unislamic.
You can imagine what is going in countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia ect.
Nothing you said about homophobia invalidates my initial statement. Islam is homophobic to the max. >

Went to school in the gulf - evolution was covered in our syllabus. Why these lies? >

This individual is difficult to read; wonder how hard his mother worked to sort him out only to have this pile of nonsense walk about, leading a country >

He’s really not. He’s trying to establish himself as a voice of Islam and as a power broker for the Middle East. A relatively more women-friendly take on it - even if it would still be seen as regressive in the West - gives him more clout among certain parts of the Turkish and the wider Middle Eastern populations.
Think of him like a cancer that’s metastasizing. He’s attaching himself to as many (social) organs as he can to make his inevitable rejection of being voted out of office more palatable. >

And as shitty as he can be, I'd rather have Türkiye as the primary cultural influence on the Middle East than the Saudis or Iran (unless they can topple their theocracy, at least). >

I don't know too much about Islam, but what I do know is that a lot of people confuse religion with local customs and culture, which explains many comments here. >

Exactly, it’s sad when people see something bad happen and blame the religion when they themselves know nothing about it other than what they see on the news >

TL;DR: Uninformed redditors who only see things black and white and get all of their opinions from visible headlines.
Yes, you can have a conservative ideology, be not a good person yet still support some humanist ideas. Duh >

It's almost like there are multiple sets of rules Islam is interpreted through. Who would have thought. >

This is like watching MTG turn against Boebert. >

I mean.., if you go off of early Islamic history, then yeah, it is un Islamic >

Heartbreaking: worst person you know just made a great point >

You must be under a very heavy black propaganda if Erdoğan is the worst person you know. >

Turkey and Taliban getting into it....
Looks like proxy conflict for Arabs and Turks might start in Afghanistan soon. >

Afghans aren't Arabs... >

Not saying they are, saying the people who are financing the groups for proxy wars. >

He is not wrong, but most of what we see as Islam in modern world is very un-Islamic. >

what you see is what the media wants you to see. >

Well, duh. >

On the Richter scale of ulterior motives, this registers at a 9 >

The thing that made Erdoğan so popular in Turkey was his struggle for women's education and employment in the first half of his leadership.
Probably most of users have no idea but it was forbidden to study or work in state institutions in Turkey until 2010-2011. Half of the women were literally banned from entering universities just because they were hijabi.
He fought against the secular/kemalist/nationalist establishment to give hijabi women their rights. His party barely survived a closure threat by this establishment in the judiciary, he resisted against threats from the secular military.
To this day, he talks about this issue a lot and uses for consolidating his support from women and conservative people in general. >

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 82%. (I'm a bot)


Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has denounced the Taliban's order to ban university and primary education for Afghanistan's women as "UnIslamic", promising to follow the issue until it is resolved in a televised speech on Wednesday.
The Taliban government last month first decided to suspend university education for women, and later issued an outright ban on education for women.
Since the Taliban returned to power in Afghanistan in the summer of 2021, residents, elders and religious leaders in the country and abroad have challenged its claims that restricting education and work for women is permissible in Islam.


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That’s the Taliban motto. “Everything we do is un-Islamic!” >

Every Muslim that has the slightest idea of their religion already knows this but glad he said it to shock a bit the idiots who think Islam is anti-women and anti-education. >

Let them fight.
^(Preferably in a barb-wire arena with spiked clubs) >

I was thinking thunder-dome. With spikes of course. And fire, can’t forget that. Maybe laser weapons. And shields. Or just Viking style, out in an open, muddy field. Better yet, blow for blow like the end of Highlander, with the Queen song playing in the background. >

Is it me or has Erdogan become slightly more humane lately ? >

Depends who you ask in Turkey. Also elections are this summer. >

"Weathervane points in the direction the wind is blowing." >

Erdogan is... Erdogan. A paranoid sultan-wannabe who sees things through his own coloured glasses. That he's in support of education for women, is only a small redeeming quality that is minuscule compared to his other "qualities" and it exists only because it suits him currently. >

Dunno why, I feel like deep down he would love to dictate women the way the Taliban do.  I just don't trust his bullshit, feel like it's appeasement for votes... >

I have this recurring fantasy that all
The genders in that country get flipped, and the men now have to live the way they’ve been treating women. It would be glorious. >

Dunno why you got downvoted for that, I would like to see this in any country that suppresses women.  Maybe it's because I don't think Turks are too bad towards their women are they? >

It's a mixed bag, go east and you have wife beaters (mostly) go to big cities and it's a much Western outlook with hints of sexism still lurking. It wouldn't be the end of the world but you'd probably chose to be a woman somewhere else if you had the chance. I'd say probably better than Japan, IF that's saying much. >

Seems pretty in line with what you hear in modern day islam. Abhorrent yes, but idk about "un-islamic" >

Afghanistan is about the only Islamic country where education for women is banned.
Iran, a very "religious" state, has more female students in engineering fields than any other country in the world.
You can have your gripes about Islam, this is not one of them. >


You can have your gripes about Islam, this is not one of them.

Poor record on human rights for women is kind of a recurring theme ain't it, even if it takes different forms. >

It's not much different from what Christian extremists want. Main steam conservatives are pondering about how to get more women married young so they can be subservient to their husbands instead of going out and getting an education and learning enough about the world to vote Democrat. 
Yeah Christian won't ask their women to wear a price of cloth over their head but try and get  a 10 year old an abortion so they won't have to carry their rapist's baby or to ban child marriage in certain states and you'll see women's rights are high on the priority of Christian values either. >

You're using whataboutisms. No one's not saying Christianity is bad either, Islam's pretty shit too. >

Yeah well, the Taliban would probably say that educating women is un-islamic. When the foundation of your world view is vague bullshit fantasies then you can justify everything with anything. >

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