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So the next person who occupies that seat will be an actual Republican and not just an impostor grifting both sides of the aisle for personal gain?
The 2024 senate map for Democrats is awful. I absolutely despise Joe Manchin... nothing but a corporate Dem who gutted Biden's agenda in the Senate. If he runs, the WV Senate election will be close like in 2018. It will be a fucking mess. >

There is a significant chance that the Republicans will control both houses of the legislature in 2024, along with the Presidency, even without Moore. >

Lol nahhhh. The GOP is in a worse position for POTUS than in 2020 and the midterms are always worse for Democrats. These midterms they over performed. There is no reason to think that they won't carry the 2018 - 2020 AND 2022 performances into 2024.
This sounds more like GOP wishful thinking. Nice try. >


This sounds more like GOP wishful thinking. Nice try.

What on Earth made you think I was a GOP supporter? I don't want the Republicans to win here, even given my distaste for establishment Democrats! >

Idk why people think a GOP defeat is likely in 2024. In the house things just keep getting worse as Gerrymandering increases. The senate is fully reliant on Georgia at this point. Yes, turnout is generally lower during midterms but Roe v Wade had just been overturned and people are no longer voting to oust Trump, I am unconvinced Biden will be able to garner the levels of turnout required.
I still hope democrats run somebody else but that seems unlikely and could even end up with a worse result. >

The guy claimed a 3 race sweep. That is an outlandish claim. Gerrymandering is all but maxed out for the GOP there is no more room for them to squeeze. Texas even had to settle for making their districts redder rather than trying to gain more of them and weaken their other holds. Trump is still on the ticket, and is likely to be the nominee. Which brings back the energy of 2018 and 2020.
You have to put the Biden equation into a much larger context. >

I am not pretending to know what will happen, I just think that none of the three races are guaranteed. If Trump ends up the nominee, I think Bidens' odds of winning another term go way up for sure.
It's good to hear gerrymandering is all but maxed out for the gop, I don't really believe it, but I hope that's true. The number of people that just don't "do" politics is insane, I'd expect things to keep trending bluer as time goes on, but midterms were not particularly encouraging. >

I agree none of the 3 races are guaranteed. But that is a vastly different claim and sentiment compared to there being a "significant chance" of a GOP sweep. That is the part that I found outlandish. >

I think the odds of either party sweeping all 3 races is fairly similar. Anybody who thinks they know what is going to happen at this point is just spouting nonsense, and that's all I was really trying to say. There is a significant chance the GOP will win it all, and a significant chance the dems will as well. >

Unfortunately I think Manchin will lose in 2024, and I say unfortunately because the only other option for a WV Senate seat is a Republican.   There are twice as many Dem-held Senate seats up in 2024 as there are GOP-held, going to be an important year for everyone to organize and get out the vote. >

We’re likely going to lose Manchin in WV. There are huge migrations of conservative ppl moving from blue states to red states to solidify wins for the upcoming election. We’re already in a nose dive rn, 2024 will be the finale. >

In a state with barely any transparency, “Get ready for one of the messiest statewide campaigns in recent West Virginia history — whether or not Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) runs for re-election.”
Here comes Boss Hogg to take Manchin’s seat! A coal baron for another coal baron who doesn’t pay taxes or his bills! Rootin Tootin using his poor overweight dog for likes! I’d like to see the math on that governor’s poll! Fml in WV. 🤬 >

Joe set himself up for this when he vetoed keeping the child credit because his constituents would use to buy drugs. >

I hope the outcome of 2024 is such that we can absorb the loss of Manchin and still keep the senate. Ideally with some seats to spare so that one senator can't derail an entire administration's agenda like...  checks notes
umm... Manchin. 
Seriously though, I'm kinda done with thinking of this guy as a necessary evil.  I hope he loses his seat and we get a real Democrat somewhere else to replace him.   We had a headline today about him working with Ted Cruz to ban  a non-existant gas stove ban.  When you are engaging in performative culture war theater with the Republicans, I'm done with you. >


I hope he loses his seat and we get a real Democrat somewhere else to replace him.

Why is it better to have a Republican, who will vote to decertify every Democratic presidential win in the future, who will vote against all Democratic appointees, who will vote against all Biden's agenda items, who will vote against raising the debt ceiling, then Manchin, who usually votes with the Democratic party?
Sinema should be replaced with a Mark Kelly clone, because Mark Kelly is electable in Arizona.  (Maybe we can convince his literal clone Scott Kelly to move to Arizona.)  We should try to get Democrats elected in places where they've been close in the past like North Carolina and Wisconsin (neither of which has an open seat in 2024).   Win more of those seats and Manchin doesn't matter. But Manchin has a ridiculous value over potential replacement: without him, you go from a moderate Democrat who nevertheless usually votes with the party to a MAGA lunatic like Shelley Moore Capito. >

I think the general sentiment is that is sucks to have this guy torpedoing every popular democratic party initiative. Fine if he wins as long as we end the filibuster and add a couple more seats. Otherwise he'd probably filibuster his own party. >

Even with the filibuster, it's better to have Manchin with you 80% of the time than to have a MAGA nutcase who is against you 100% of the time and is trying to overthrow the republic.