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how much you willing to pay for F-150 fuel over there? $8 a gallon?
India is making a killing here.  Buy low, sell high. >

Everyone wins. 
US and European politicians get to claim they're cutting out Russian gas without dealing with massive price spikes
Russia continues to get funding, at a lower level but still a lot of money
And India as the intermediary makes a healthy profit >

Ukrainians don't win. >

Sure they do. Russian fossil fuels are selling for pennies on the dollar, so sanctions have significantly cut into Russia's profit and thus their ability to fund the war. 
And keeping fossil fuel prices in a reasonable range alleviates pressure on NATO and other pro-ukrainian countries. This makes it easier to continue supporting the war. The more isolationist wings of the various political parties in NATO and related counties would be up in arms if fuel prices dramatically shot up. 
Russia isn't under embargo. Sanctions aren't meant to prevent Russia from getting stuff or selling stuff, they are meant to cripple the Russian economy, not kill it outright.  There probably is an argument to a full embargo, but it's probably more important to not alienate India, China, and other non-western countries. They aren't really helping Russia in any meaningful way. We don't want to change that. 
As long as India pays below market rate for Russian oil, it's fine. The Ukrainians need more tanks, more rockets, more AA (like F-16 or Patriot), and long range strike capability. They don't need India to stop buying oil. 
Russia can't win a war of attrition against Ukraine if the West backs Ukraine. We need to show Ukraine and Russia that the US, EU, and other are in for the long haul and will give whatever is necessary for however long it takes. 
31 Abrams isn't sufficient. Let's stop pussyfooting around and give them more. For every tank they lose, let's give them two more. >

Russia's win condition hinges on getting the west to give up on Ukraine.  If they can manage that, their victory will soon follow.  The Ukrainians themselves will fight to the end; it's hard to see them ever giving in (even if they have to fight using something like IEDs) when the other side constantly engages in genocidal rhetoric.
Unfortunately it's also hard to see Ukraine winning in any meaningful way.  Russia will just drag this out for years until the west inevitably loses focus. >

Exactly (although I wouldn't say Russia's victory without western support is assured). That's why it's important to ramp up arms now. Sending a few tanks isn't enough, but breaking the "taboo" on sending tanks is a pretty big deal, it will be much easier for more to follow. 
The good thing is that the West doesn't really need to try particularly hard, or make many sacrifices to continue their support at a level that exceeds Russian economic capacity, so it's not like there is much pressure to turn off the money faucet from within Western countries. 

Russia will just drag this out for years

They'll certainly try. But there's nothing like an unambiguous bad guy to bring people together. I'd bet my entire life savings that the Russian state collapses before the US and EU stop supplying Ukraine. Even if the general public loses focus, it is a great military investment. <2% of the annual military budget to counter one of our most irritating geopolitical adversaries. Even with the rise of right wing populism in Western countries, I don't see support faltering. 
But supplying Ukraine with more and faster should still be the goal since it would help Putin or his successor reach that inevitable conclusion faster. >

I hope you're right because the collapse of Putin's regime is the only other way (besides Ukraine being conquered) that this stops.
I suppose I just lack faith in the west in general.  So many far right figures (with deep, labyrinthine ties to the Kremlin) are a stone's throw away from power in lots of countries.  Just imagine if it'd been Trump instead of Biden sitting in Washington on Feb 24 last year.  And he could be back there again in a couple of years.  I suppose this is really what Putin is hoping for:  Viktor Orbán style wannabe autocrats sitting at the heads of all the major western faux democracies. >


because the collapse of Putin's regime is the only other way (besides Ukraine being conquered) that this stops.

This war will almost assuredly come to a negotiated settlement after Putin or his successor realize that Western support isn't budging. The vast majority of wars end this way. People say that Putin staked a lot of political capital on this war and that he can't possibly concede or he'll be ousted. While that might be true, Putin's regime has a pretty solid grip on the media and could probably claim victory with just about any settlement, even if he lost Crimea. He could just say "We denazified Ukraine" and that would be it. 
I don't think that Putin is extremely vulnerable. He continues this war because he still thinks he can hold onto more territory, not because he will be killed if he doesn't come home with a victory to declare. The West just needs to prove that it will go the distance to him, and we can do that with more arms and faster. 

suppose I just lack faith in the west in general. So many far right figures (with deep, labyrinthine ties to the Kremlin) are a stone's throw away from power in lots of countries. Just imagine if it'd been Trump instead of Biden sitting in Washington on Feb 24 last year.

As far as Trump and other right wing politicians across the West, I doubt that most would eliminate support if they gain power. If for no other reason than the fact that the American military industrial complex is a massive Republican donor and is salivating at the prospect of a new war to fund. It would certainly be far worse for Trump to be in power as I'm sure he'd find some way to fuck it up, but I'd doubt even he would stop shipping arms to Ukraine. I'd agree that he probably wouldn't have supported Ukraine in the first place, but now that we are I don't think he'd stop it. Plus the electorate has rejected Trump and his cohort for the last three elections. It is not likely he'd win. 
So my argument would be:
1) Russia likely will have a difficult time stalling for the next US election. At the very least it will be incredibly costly 
2) Biden/Democrats will probably win the next presidential election since they've been doing quite well on the national level 
3) Even if Trump/similar wins they probably won't stop sending arms
4) Even if the right stops sending arms from the US, there are many other countries (UK, France, Germany, Baltic States) with way more money than Russia supporting Ukraine
5) Even if Ukraine stopped receiving aid, they still have a lot and will likely be incredibly difficult for Russia to dislodge. 
I know it's easy to be pessimistic especially with so much bad shit that has been going on in the past 5 years or so, but Ukraine will absolutely be successful because they are strong motivated people backed by the enormity of Western wealth. It will be brutal, it will be bloody, but Ukraine will drive the Russians out of their territory. Accelerating arms shipments will reach this conclusion faster. Once Russia realizes this they will sue for peace. >

I mean isn't that what happens? When you start selling stuff for really really low eventually you stop just attracting people who are interested in it for themselves but you also start to attract people who are just wanting to do some market flipping. >

That's... That's the entire idea.
Russian oil and gas are still on the market, but all the big profits go to middle men like India and Turkey. >

Agreed.  If we removed all Russian crude+products from the market we would have a supply problem.
By forcing them to sell it cheap we get what we want: to reduce the profit the RUssians make from it.  Hopefully over time the price will be at just the point where they make little if any profit (or even a small loss).  Of course, people will then claim the Russians will just stop producing but this would never happen - too many jobs at stake and would be very expensive to start producing again after a shutdown.
The price cap is working as expected. >

The real Russia was the Globalization we made along the way >

It's bizzznesss >

it's all about the biznose >

The amount of refined fuel we buy from India is less than the amount of oil they buy from us. >

Who the hell is “we” and “us?” >

Western countries >

This, my fellow Redditors, is basic capitalism. Nothing to see here. The western oil companies had record profits while right wing politicians blamed the left and the war for prices…. We never left the 1980s. Greed is still good. I hope some of the money actually goes to improving basic conditions in India. >

Seeing massive infrastructure upgrade on my visit to WB. >

Everywhere actually, it's a country under construction >

Let's stop pretending this is bad for the west. 
Fuel prices in the west would be much higher if India (and China) were not doing this. Russia is still losing loads of money because it's selling the crude to India super cheaply.
And this is gonna expand more this year with the EU banning all Russian oil imports this week. >

Isn't capitalism awesome? >

Sanction those buying Russian anything. >

Damn kinda gotta respect that side hustle there
Why not be like the Swiss? Neutral and rich >

If you're not joking about this then I want to ask out of curiosity: Why are they souless bastards? >

They were chill helping the Nazis >

Do you also hate the current British, French, Americans, Portuguese, Spanish etc. for their countries previously owning empires that were disastrous for the colonies? >

Switzerland are doing asshole things today though (but i mean so are other countries, but there is a difference in how much). >

And so smuggly too. >

As long as it is 25% discount to market price, it is good >

Hmmm.....
Do you think I could do this. >

Yeah, just go to thrift shops and buy underpriced donated high quality goods, and then resell them for profit.
Unless you have an oil refinery empire, then you too can do this specifically. >

It was a joke
You know, haha >

This segment brought to you by Saudi Arabia. >

Hhahahaha >

At least Russia still loses here and India makes money to invest in more alternative energy. >

Buying Russian oil for pennies on the dollar, and selling refined fuels at market value. >

If the demand for oil decreased this would not be a problem. >

War profiteering I think that's called. >

bro this entire operation was planned by the west so the profits go to the middle man >

It’s kind of hard to sanction a fungible global commodity. I think the West is doing pretty well at the sanctions all things considered.
Edit: clarify. >

yeah they're sanctioning themselves >

Saw a story earlier that Russian fossil revenues were down pretty significantly from a year ago.  Everyone wins, except for Vlad. >

As long as it hurts Russia... >

It only hurts if it hurts Putler. And it isn't hurting him. >

I would assume it hurts him, I read elsewhere that Russian oil price is so low it's basically 0 profit. >

Sanctions with No teeth! The Kremlin is laughing all the way to the bank >

the barrels are being sold at crap prices so no profits are going to russia >

Ok, so penny's    Good >

People really should have expected this.  Russia was going to sell to someone.  And it was always going to be a massive advantage to whomever took that deal. >

Modi be making big friends man. Those bear hugs pay off big, guess that's why he keeps getting elected again and again >

So, I have a question. All the major Oil companies had record profits last year right?
Does that mean India is buying “cheap oil” in comparison to the heavily inflated prices or is it actually cheap oil, and Russia is barely making a profit from the deal. >

Russia is not making a loss , they are earning less. Not like they are buying oil from some other country, it is a natural resource on their territory. 
The price at which they are selling still leaves a considerable amount of money after the costs of extraction and shipping. 
Like a Painter who was selling his paintings for a Million has to sell his paintings for 200K now, still makes profit after the cost of Paint and Canvass,  but less than before >

Indians looking around, super happy they aren’t getting the Turkey treatment >

What is the "Turkey treatment"? >

Win win >

I’m glad no one in this thread are in positions of power what a bunch of clowns lmao, didn’t even need to scroll that far until “certain” opinions came up >

India be like “How does that medicine taste capitalist west?”
“You’re own flavoured?” >

Not surprised at all. >

Everything comes with price, making money on mass killings has its price also, Indians call it Karma >

bro this entire operation was planned by the west so the profits go to the middle man >

And the West is pressing innocent russians' fingers on the triggers of their weapons?🫠 and tortures Ukrainians in basements of Eastern Ukraine while speaking fluent russian? and fires rockets into residential buildings and malls full of people? and tells everyone that Ukrainians are Nazis??? 🤯 and carpet-shelled Kharkiv and Maryupil for months... what an unspeakable cruelty... >

Im talking about the price cap to prevent profits going into russia and directing them into the middle men dumbass >

Chase bank assisted in the sale of war bonds for the nazis.
IBM provided machines for the concentration camps.
Henry Ford was an open nazi. He received the grand cross of the German Eagle. Highest nazi distinction a foreigner.  Assisted nazi war machine with vehicules
Being a total shit and profiting at the same time during a war is nothing new. >

If India is conducting business with Russia; Us should ban tech workers from India and deport the current ones. That would get the Sanctions working again. >

and that would push India out of the US camp and closer to Russia. Also, the US is trying to woo India to team up against China. And this would negate any efforts there. >

they're already choosing to side with the enemy. their allegiance is fucked. >

Perhaps the US shouldn't have threatened India with a nuclear aircraft carrier. It takes time to recover from something like that. >

Got to love those indians... Anything to make a buck. >

Time to stop buying anything from India until they stop supporting the crazy P