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for the selfish who lack self control and clearly have trouble evaluting risk/reward

Not that simple, though? Addiction isn't a choice, it's an illness. If you think quitting an addictive behaviour is as easy as a five-minute evalution of "risk" and "reward", that's pretty optimistic. It's a deep-rooted dependency. Not all smokers are sadists advocating for health issues, and (in my experience) actively try to prevent their children from picking up the habit.
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If you are going out of your way to destroy your body for something that provides such minimal “high” or “euphoria,” multiple times a day… then you simply don’t give a shit about your kids. 

This applies to roughly 90% of the population in western countries, only that the dopamine high is achieved through eating shitty food (and feeding their children the same), starring at a screen rather than attending to your children, or something else, there's thousands of things that people has as a vice that could be categorized as neglecting their children.
That's also why some people might smoke their entire life, but otherwise eat reasonably, move daily, and other factors that will allow them to live longer than some people who may otherwise feel that they are healthy because they don't smoke. I'm willing to bet this includes you. Perspective matters, and I feel like you've isolated just one thing among many that adults tend to succumb to that is essentially self-destructive in nature. Check yourself before you wreck yourself! >

If I stare at my screen, the person next to me doesn't incur any consequences to their health. >

And if I smoke in open air my cigarette has no consequences for your health. >

This view seems to be stemming from some serious judgment of cigarette smokers. You have to put your personal feelings about it aside and look at this objectively.

Cigarettes are disgusting and for the selfish

Completely subjective. Not a strong basis for debate.

If you are a parent, you have children relying on you to support them, feed them, provide shelter for them etc.

Being a cigarette smoker doesn't make you unable to do any of this.
On the subject of destroying your body for a high -- as a former smoker, I can honestly say I didn't smoke for the high, I smoked to stop the effects of withdrawal. If I had kids while I was quitting? Goddamn I'd have been an absolute wreck for months.
Severe health issues in the future -- you could say the same thing about any number of things. Alcohol, eating unhealthy food, taking certain medications, even driving a car comes with a risk. Smoking cigarettes has nothing to do with being a capable parent, life comes with risks. Is it a good idea to take that extra one on? Probably not. But I think it's a huge and very unfair stretch to say it means they don't care about their children and have no respect for them.
The only way I would give this to you is if they smoke inside the house. Exposing the kids to secondhand smoke is completely disregarding the health of the children. But if they take it outside, that's their prerogative.

Cigarette smokers clearly do not have the mental capacity to blah blah blah

Judgmental, subjective, and wildly untrue. Check yourself please.

With all the knowledge these days, support groups, doctors, nicotine replacements... it's pathetic to continue to put your health and your families wellbeing at risk.

Again, watch your judgmental language. "Pathetic" is the wrong word here. If all those things you mention work so well, then why are there still so many smokers? Nicotine replacements are supplements that don't provide the full effect of smoking, not to mention there's more that goes into a smoking addiction than just inhaling smoke (it's the routine -- going outside to your spot, opening the pack, lighting one up, and actually doing the motion of smoking, putting it to your lips, inhaling/exhaling etc. that nicotine supplements don't address). This is half the battle, when I was quitting part of the challenge was not just being able to take a break.

Oh and you smell terrible.

What does this have to do with your argument that smokers are unstable parents? You just don't like smokers, that's what all this is about. You're projecting and venting and in my personal opinion, being extremely unfair. >

And on that note, nicotine is an appetite suppressant. >

A complicating factor is that many (maybe most) parents who smoke became addicted before they had children. They may even have become addicted when they themselves were minors. Even if they possess the mental capacity to understand that their habit harms their children, they still have to deal with all the challenges of overcoming their addiction. >

How is pushing a scientific study from science.org nonsense?
Plus, I got my 2 moderna shots in 2021. 
Is it not natural to feel sketched out about long term effects and the studies / surprises that will pop up along the way? >

You seem lucky you do not know the pains of addiction. Some people know the harm they do but can’t stop because the chemical imbalance is too much. It’s not “their” choice, but the choice of “their addiction,” which is in some ways involuntary ( I know the lines here are somewhat blurry ). Just understand that no one is perfect and someone can still respect their kids and make (quite serious) mistakes. Best not to demonize those we take issue with but rather try to help them up, acknowledging their successes and helping them work on their flaws. >

I doubt there’s anyone who doesn’t know the pain of addiction in 2023. Some people just like to think that their addictions are better than those of others. >

the absolute of having no respect for children unless they are causing 2nd hand smoking is such a crazy moral stretch that isn’t at all realistic when applied to the real world. Based on the argument that not keeping yourself in peak physical condition is having no respect for your kids you have to apply this to anything that takes you out of that, such as perfect diet, perfect physical actively, as well as prior knowledge of possible inherited ailments or disorders. >

Could say the same thing about boundaries. Lots of mental health options these days, yet mothers continue to invade boundaries, or fathers neglect or vice Versa.
Before you get your TikTok in a twist, yes research shows the effects of trauma on people and it’s as devastating as cigarettes.