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The old blanco/mestizo/Indio order so prevalent in Latin American countries. So cruel.
Sadly this is the situation with many native/indigenous communities across the Americas. >

Indigenous communities have been fighting for centuries but still get massive backlash and hostility.
You cant even talk about indigenous political stances because decolonization politics attacks the foundations of pretty much the entire political world.
Say Identity Politics in the Americas has roots in racial essentialism and erases indigenous culture to just "genetics", and that gender theory appropriates indigenous concepts like two spirited people without actually understanding the concept and you get in trouble with people who talk over feelings of Indigenous people.
Its hard to find political support when there is so much institutional hostility and these institutions literally do not think of the world the same way. An interview with an indigenous author had the interviewer ask if she was not "happy civilization lifted everyone out of poverty" instead of being pro-environment.
For many people, indigenous communities are still "in the way". >

Could you explain how "non-indigenous" gender theory appropriates indigenous gender theory? I've never met a 2S person who thought this way about it at all. >

I'm familiar with this history, but I still don't see how it equates to non-indigenous gender theory appropriating indigenous gender theory. That would assume modern gender theory is built on or borrows from a culture (in this case - a wide variety of indigenous cultures) that "gender scholars" (which are barely even a thing anyways) have little understanding of or experience with. This isn't the case though, and modern non-indigenous "gender theory" is primarily a collection of ideas from trans people about their place in their societies and cultures. Some number of non-indigenous people trying to understand two-spirit identities without the specific cultural background is just not appropriation, and it isn't even part of a wider gender theory. >

The ones you call "gender scholars" are cultural anthropologists, and whether you personally agree or not does not change that these same scholars might adopt another word due to all the misinformation and controversy surrounding the word.
I mean, there are many articles about this.

That would assume modern gender theory is built on or borrows from a culture (in this case - a wide variety of indigenous cultures) that "gender scholars" (which are barely even a thing anyways) have little understanding of or experience with.

You are treating gender as a hard science, which it is not. Gender is a social construct, and relies on the culture it exists in. Experience in one culture does not always translate to another.
You are also assuming scholarly work is always objective and impartial. If it was, Academia would not push this. It exists because anthropology is flooded with old thinking that effects the ability of anthropologists to study culture.
This is an area of history where the papers published is really low, and some cultures havent had papers written about them in a very long time, sometimes decades. These are cultures historians were calling "stone age savages" as late as the 1950s. 
I think you realize the problem this is trying to solve. >


You are treating gender as a hard science, which it is not. Gender is a social construct, and relies on the culture it exists in.

No... I'm not treating it that way. I used "gender scholars" in quotes and mentioned that they're barely a thing to illustrate this point in particular. I then went on to say that gender theory is moreso a loose connection of ideas that primarily trans people have about gender. I'm confused as to how you came to this conclusion.

You are also assuming scholarly work is always objective and impartial. If it was, Academia would not push this. It exists because anthropology is flooded with old thinking that effects the ability of anthropologists to study culture.

No... I'm not assuming that and I never made any kind of claim like that at all. You said that gender theory is appropriative of indigenous culture. I've yet to hear how that's true in any way. How is my "modern," western understanding of gender appropriative of indigenous culture? That's all I'm asking, since you claimed it was. If you mistakenly said that and moreso meant that indigenous history and culture is often painted with an ignorant brush, using frameworks more familiar to those writing that history, then that's totally okay; it's just a totally different thing. >


I then went on to say that gender theory is moreso a loose connection of ideas that primarily trans people have about gender.

Gender Theories are ideas about gender that have been evolving with society, there are many of them and are competing ideas in gender development. They are not ideas only trans people have.
I have no idea how you think sociology ideas about gender is something only trans people think about. There are archives full of these papers.

How is my "modern," western understanding of gender appropriative of indigenous culture?

It is not the understanding or gender theory, it is the use of indigenous words with specific meanings which I showed you is so common it has a wikipedia page. I didn't even need to dig into my written books show its happening.
two spirited is a very specific concept from a very specific range of cultures with a very specific meaning and it has layers beyond just what is obvious to outsiders. It is not just a word, its an expression of a greater world view and spiritual belief. Western thinking does not see people in this way because western religion usually condemns them.
This is like an alien coming down to earth, walking up to your door, and calling you "president of the house" because the full weight of this specific word is not known to them.
How you miss the mark this bad I will never know. >

That's all well and good, and I agree with it. It's still not appropriation, since the definition of 2S isn't contained within western non-indigenous gender theory and since the term is of largely indigenous origins. My 2S friends use it because it's easy to get a broad point across about their identity, mainly to other indigenous and/or queer people. >

I literally linked you an article on how the definition and view of the word is being changed by non-natives who do not respect the original definition to push new age beliefs pretending to be indigenous practices. That is why people are angry.
You can personally disagree, but this does not change the fact it is a controversial word. >

Im from Peru that Country is a shit show, they dont care about people outside Capital of Lima, President Runners only go to these places for votes giving them false hope , it so fucking sad that even people that have money are not able to help them. Arequipa is trying to do their own shit and it kind of works for them. Peru is Corrupted af. >

I'm from Bolivia. Much of the same. It pains my heart.