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hmm, interesting, i've never heard it positioned this way
do you have concrete examples of such a de-corruption-spiral?
Renew?
He RAN on anticorruption...
It is horrible to say this but this war has also given him practical carte blanche to actually DO something about it.
He will drag everyone kicking and screaming away from the soviets if he has to. >

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said he will make changes to the government and security services as part of a renewed crackdown on corruption, nearly a year since Russia invaded the country.
Ukrainian media have reported that a number of cabinet ministers and senior officials could be sacked as Zelenskyy moves to streamline the government.
Zelenskyy also announced on Monday that government officials would be banned from making personal trips abroad. The move followed revelations that Deputy Prosecutor General Oleksiy Symonenko had gone on holiday to Spain in December and January using a Mercedes belonging to a Lviv businessman.


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Lol a high ranking government official taking a vacation in the middle of a war when you're people are being shot at and killed.
That's like a politician going to Cancun when their constituents are freezing to death with failed infrastructure level of tone deaf. >

Kinda interesting that whole “war on corruption” thing started right after this government helicopter crash “accident”. Guess someone finally got the message. >

They last thing Zelensky should be worried about is corruption but he can’t ignore the issue. West will not support a corrupt President or Ukraine. Hopefully there’s enough honest leaders to route out the corruption. >

"The West won't support a corrupt leader..."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA
HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO!!!!!!! >

Lol you’re not wrong to see it as laughable, but rooting out corruption will make European countries more endeared to Zelensky. It was one of the main reasons Western countries weren’t close to them before - it’ll definitely make countries more open to aid and rebuilding efforts whenever this war draws down. >

my brother in christ, he IS the corruption lol
but because reddit users have a one bit worldview, things can only be perfect or abysmal, therefore if you criticise ukraine you are literally hitler >

Even if every single rumor and insinuation in that article were completely true, it would still be a gross exaggeration to say that he is the corruption, as if Ukraine would be corruption-free without him. Therefore I have to wonder what your agenda is in making that assertion. Like, I can't be certain that the fact that you live in Russia is a factor in your decision to push that talking point, but... >

my intention is to convey that he is engaging in corruption himself, so his anti-corruption claims are dubious

it would still be a gross exaggeration to say that he is the corruption

ukraine is one of the most corrupt counties in europe, so this isn't meant to be taken literally, i am unsure why any person remotely familiar with the matter would make such a silly criticism...

Like, I can’t be certain that the fact that you live in Russia is a factor in your decision to push that talking point, but…

fair enough, may i suggest evaluating the contents of my comment based on their own merit as a means to combat this circumstance? :) >

What would you have Zelensky do? >

fighting corruption is complicated, because you're essentially trying to use the already corrupted tools to fix those tools themselves, in a sense, further complicated by the fact that the utility of those tools is greatly compromised by... you guessed it, corruption... moreover, each country's corruption scheme is unique in their own way, with small differences altering/suggesting the correct strategy to mitigate corruption
a comprehensive anti-corruption scheme would have to be laid out by a political scientist specialising in that country, and it's certainly not something which could be well expressed in a reddit comment in a reasonable amount of time, however, it is definitely something which zelensky would be able to get had he any desire to do so
however, one thing that could be evident to anyone, regardless of their expertise in political science, is that the person heading the corrupted mechanism and simultaneously perpetrating corruption themselves, is unlikely to be of any utility in mitigating corruption, let alone lay claim to head any kind of "war" on corruption >


however, one thing that could be evident to anyone, regardless of their expertise in political science, is that the person heading the corrupted mechanism and simultaneously perpetrating corruption themselves, is unlikely to be of any utility in mitigating corruption, let alone lay claim to head any kind of "war" on corruption

Utterly ridiculous. There are no shortage of corrupt leaders who have rooted out corruption. It almost always starts because the public has enough of corruption, and leaders take a stance 'against corruption' in order to win public favour and get casus belli to destroy their political opponents. They turn a blind eye to their own party's corruption, and destroy the other party.
The thing that always happens is, if it's not a one-party dictatorship like China, then destroying the gentlemen's agreement to ignore corruption will have ramifications on both sides. Once the other side gains power, they will do the same to their opponents, and this cycle repeats until corruption is no longer systemic. Still there, but no longer systemic.
Like the U.S., France, Germany, etcetera. Everyone's dealing with corruption. But it's no longer systemic (if you think it's systemic, wait until you hear about cops stopping strangers for no offenses and requiring a bribe to not invent an offense, in post-soviet states).
The same will be true for Ukraine so long as Zelenskyy does not become leader for life and the transfer of power is respected and occurs at least once a decade, like any healthy democracy. Once he has brought to ruin the corrupt -- whether or not he's only targeting corruption among his political opposition -- the opposition will do the same to his faction once they're in power.
This cycle will repeat until Ukraine is rid of its corruption. There is no need for a French revolution here or some Karl Marx to start some fantastical change. Corruption is not rooted out because of messiahs, it never is. It is rooted out when corruption becomes fair game to target and no longer ignored in a "I scratch yours you scratch mine" deal between enemies.
I agree there is no way Zelenskyy can destroy systemic corruption himself, because, as you say, working in a corrupt system, you must work with corrupt individuals and corrupt others. But if it's to take down corrupt individuals, it's worth it, because now it becomes acceptable to expose corruption and a legitimate political tactic. It'll take one or two generations, which is why it's hard to see Ukraine joining the EU in anything less than 10 years. The first step in every country facing systemic corruption is to make it so that if you find any corruption about your political opponents it's fair game to use it against them. It will force them to hide it better, which means less overt corruption, which is a feedback loop that will make corruption no longer systemic.