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I broke the dam
Which means there’s a fundamental process issue with how staffers and the national archives personnel process official records after someone leaves office. 
And further demonstrates the difference in how individuals respond once classified material is found among those records. >

100% >

At least we all can agree someone should be tracking these documents and making sure they are returned. In fact I see no reason for classified docs to ever leave an official office. >


I see no reason for classified docs to ever leave an official office

Well, it looks like they found some. >

Jared Kushner has about $2 Billion worth of reasons. >

I was wondering when this would happen. With all the controversy, I'm sure there were orders by all to conduct extensive searches of their own offices and homes to find any and all classified docs and get them out in the fog of all else thats going on. I'm sure Pence won't be the last. I thought after Clinton being raked over the coals, every organization would by hyper sensitive to this issue. But alas bureaucracy can be very difficult to change their ways. >

Raked over the coals? Nothing happened, >

I was waiting for this, what I meant was she and her staff had to spend a great deal of time and $$ defending themselves not to mention lots of taxpayer $$$ were spent trying to convict her. I think all the hoopla and politicaly motivated attacks was no picnic and can qualify as "raking over the coals". In the end there was nothing there, nothing intentional , what was found was the product of normal mistakes when using "email" , which was fairly new at the time, and whose rules around its use were vague, contradictory or non existing. >


“This discovery by Pence’s attorney is a very interesting reinforcement of the contrast between how Biden & Pence are properly cooperating and returning documents versus Trump stealing them, hiding them, and obstructing justice into their return,” said David Brock, president of the Biden-allied group Facts First USA.

I am getting so sick of false equivalencies between Trump and Biden,  and now Pence on this.
I'm not a Mike Pence apologist,  nor do I think he is a hero for doing his job on January 6th,   but his cooperating and getting in front,  as well as Joe Biden's,  have NOTHING to do with the criminality of Donald Trump. >

What’s important to remember is that criminality occurred after the documents were discovered. >

Bingo.   That was the obstruction and everything else.
Some of the criminality may have occurred prior,  but that is not the way Merrick Garland's wording on the search warrant and whatnot read at all.... >

There are a lot elements that may be hard to prove to establish criminality solely for possession of classified documents; but not for the obstruction and subsequent mishandling. >

Perfect.
Clear Biden. 
Clear Pence.  
Bury BoneSpurs McGhee under the prison. >

Is there a room in the White House filled with classified documents that says "take one"?   I'm starting to think everyone has a classified document.  I should look through files to make sure I don't have any. >

All of the high-level officials get classified briefings in their offices and probably have classified documents around their offices all the time as part of their day-to-day work. When the offices get packed up at the end of the term, some of those papers are obviously getting put into the wrong boxes by staff. >

Garland should probably just appoint special counsels to investigate all presidents and vice presidents who are still alive and then NARA can develop a significantly better retrieval system instead of letting politicians and their teams decide what to take from their offices, everyone else can see how the politicians respond and vote accordingly. >

Step 1: Each classified document gets a unique ID number.
Step 2: Make a list of everyone who gets a copy of that classified document.
Step 3: Make sure those people return those documents when they lose clearance to those documents.
I'm honestly alarmed at how many classified documents are just floating around. Honestly wouldn't surprise me if the new espionage tactic is just "Go over to XYZ politicians house and rummage through their shit". >

Biden had classified docs, Pence had Clapton docs, Trump had (has) classified docs.
Biden handed over docs.
Pence handed over docs.
Trump lied about having docs, tried to make a deal about said docs, and has even been documented moving said docs to different locations. 
Big difference between the parties involved here. >

Yeah, no shit folks.  We know that Donald stole a bunch of THE most classified/top secret documents, and the dumbass still probably would've gotten away with it completely if he had just given them back, even after the National Archives were hounding him for months. 
Instead, he blatantly obstructed justice >

Plot twist:
Pence did this just to Fuck with Trump who was trying so hard to throw shade at Biden! >

My take: 


They need to create separate classifications to those documents which are office bound and those that are transportable to be returned.   The ability of our senior leaders to do their jobs has to be considered too.  


Pence's and Biden's documents have to be categorized and we need to know exactly what they had in order to understand and accomplish point 1.


maybe we need an amnesty period for other senior leaders to self report now and turn over everything they accumulated without intent to steal.


Intent and impact have to be considered in the response by the DoJ.  We can't lock everyone up over this if we want to zero out the exposure, but public notice of the infractions have to be published.


I am sure I'll get responses, but it is just looking at how to proceed in a manner which makes it better going forward and not bogs us down in the past.
OH and Trump broke other laws including obstruction.  He demonstrated intent to take them without national need and he obstructed the DOJ on the return.  Trump took an off ramp from the above points.  Lock him up. >

Seems reasonable tbh. >

Aww Pence just wants to be part of the club. >

Why we have to change an entire system cause 1 guy can’t get his stuff together? >

BREAKING:  FBI agents seen entering Mount Vernon! >

I'm checking my file cabinets now, and I've never even worked for the government.
I did find an AOL disc for 500 free hours though. >

Wow /r/politics.  20 articles on the exact same subject.  
That's some new kind of deflection record. >

Do Mitch/Shumer and McCarthy/Jeffries next. >

Tell me again what Pence actually did for four years as VP?