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Statistically if we were talking about the general population maybe. But with no gatekeeping we're also talking about convicted felon men just wanting to sexually assault and/or harass women or ones who just don't want to go to the men's prison.
I think some gatekeeping in this situation is required. Not that trans women should never be housed with cis women.
My whole problem with this is self ID for any male who wants to be housed with females.
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Why do you think we house male and female inmates separately?


If we allow self-id to change prisons, what exactly is stopping every male from choosing to move to a female prison? >


Why do you think we house male and female inmates separately?

Because prisons have been around for a very long time and that's just the way it's been.

If we allow self-id to change prisons, what exactly is stopping every male from choosing to move to a female prison?

Because not every male is just going to decide to be a woman >


Because prisons have been around for a very long time and that's just the way it's been.

It's also because the type who go to prisons do not follow the rules well. If prisons were co-ed, rape would increase and female prisoners would get pregnant, some against their will. Then taxpayers would also get to pay for either abortions or babies. Prisons are chronically understaffed and it's impossible to prevent all sexual assaults. But housing males with females is a recipe for disaster.

Because not every male is just going to decide to be a woman

But you agree some will? Some men who just want to move to the women's prison for nefarious reasons will do so. And women will suffer for it.
Like it or not, males commit sex crimes at a much higher rate than females. I would feel so sorry for any female inmates forced to be housed with males. You can't leave and you could possibly be raped and impregnated. Vs with female only prisons, yes you can be raped but you can't be impregnated and statistically those rapes will occur less frequently due to only housing females. >


And women will suffer for it.

Do you care about trans women suffering from being around cis men in an enviroment where not enough is being done to protect anyone from rape? 
Say for example we had a policy that saved 11 trans women for every 10 cis women it hurt, would that be a net positive, or do you value the suffering of cis and trans women differently?

Like it or not, males commit sex crimes at a much higher rate than females. 

The fact two groups are different, doesn't mean any sub groups of those two will be different in the same way. 
Do you have reason to believe that the same things that are true for males overall must also be true for trans women? >


Do you care about trans women suffering from being around cis men in an enviroment where not enough is being done to protect anyone from rape? 

I think there's a middle ground here that you're not seeing. I'm saying: pure self-id for prisons is bad. Not: Trans women should be housed with cis men.


Middle ground 1: Trans women can be housed in a separate wing in male OR female prisons. Only trans women would be in these wings. There would be a few wings throughout some prisons in each state so that there would never just be ONE trans women in isolation there.


Middle ground 2: There could be gatekeeping and not just relying on self-id- no deciding you're a woman when you've just been arrested or convicted of a crime. Those who want to change their gender marker would need to go through some kind of process to be able to do so. Not my expertise to say what exactly. But something that prevents Mr. Joe Rapist from deciding he wants to transfer to the women's prison because he wants a show and to sexually harass women all day.


And as for "amount of hurt," letting males just freely transfer to female prisons would be the worst outcome no matter what. >

The difficulty I'd have here is that you'd be justifying the exclusion of transwomen from women's spaces on the grounds they pose a risk to cis women that statistically they don't at any greater rate than cis women.