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I feel you should edit your post and incluse these articles. Because right now your CMV post is a rant not and argument that can be refuted.
You could also read your post from the outside looking in. Imagine you are a recruiter or hiring manager. Do you think you want to bring someone on who thinks, "I should've been teaching the teacher". Someone who says things like that might not be the type of person others want to work with. >

I would never say such a thing publicly... 
With that said, it would be shockingly cruel to disqualify someone from life-enhancing opportunities on the basis of an arbitrary comment and with no further context. I would hope these strict standards would be in place for all applicants, and not just me. >


… it would be shockingly cruel to disqualify someone from life-enhancing opportunities…

I think you are looking at this from the wrong angle. No hiring recruiter is thinking, “I’m going to ruin this person’s career”, and they also aren’t thinking “this person’s career deserves a leg up”. They aren’t passing a judgement on your life.
To the extent that ever happens, that’s a school thing. Your guidance counselor or a professor might try to push you forward. A professor who hates you might even try to sabotage you. But in the job market you’ve moved past that into a new question.
When a recruiter looks at you/your resume, he’s deciding “among all these people, which is the best fit for this particular position”. And I’m not going to tell you bias doesn’t come into that, because it absolutely does. But it’s not about your life. It’s only about this one job and this one hiring manager and his one favorite candidate.
That’s what makes this such a tricky social problem to solve. How do you stop that hiring manager from showing bias? You can’t just hand off the process to an objective formula, because there isn’t one. Intangibles do matter. >

I think you read too much into a sarcastic comment. 
The fact is it WOULD be shockingly cruel to disqualify someone for an arbitrary, made-up reason when they put so much effort and hope into the interview process. In worst case scenarios, a hiring manager being so careless can trigger a multi-million dollar lawsuit against their company.  
I focus on biases in all interviews now to get an advantage. I've had good success. What I feel a moral obligation to do is to wake people up who may not be as fortunate as I am to know that any of this is real, and who keep trying time and time again and finding closed doors, or finding themselves in a job they can tolerate, but that is really below them. >

Whoa...hold up now.  

The fact is it WOULD be shockingly cruel to disqualify someone for an arbitrary, made-up reason when they put so much effort and hope into the interview process. In worst case scenarios, a hiring manager being so careless can trigger a multi-million dollar lawsuit against their company

Noone owes you a job and I don't know what lawsuit you think you could bring based on you saying a bone-headed thing in an interview.  Employers don't have to give a reason for not hiring. >


Noone owes you a job and I don't know what lawsuit you think you could bring based on you saying a bone-headed thing in an interview. Employers don't have to give a reason for not hiring.

It is literally illegal for employers to discriminate based on protected characteristics, at least here in the US. As far as I'm concerned, I literally am owed equal consideration as others in application processes. 
However, the point is moot, as I've been employed full time for many years, earning a decent amount of pay and have amassed huge amounts in savings. >

Discrimination based on protected characteristics is illegal.  Saying something dumb in an interview isn't protected. >

I mean, I worked in HR as a recruiter for 6 years, and this post reads like it was written by a bad candidate. The total lack of self-awareness and arrogance came through strongly. “Soft skills” are a thing, and if you were as smart as it seems you think you are, you’d realize that in 2022 there are enough people fighting for jobs that there’s likely to be candidates as smart as you who are also like-able. >

Bias:  preferring one person, thing, or idea in a way that is unfair.

I was denied from a PERFECT fit for a position, after writing a PERFECT essay

Would you say that this statement is biased? >

I would call it hyperbole to make a point. >

Just saying...I spent a fair amount of time in a hiring position and applicants often think they are perfect when they actually have no idea what we're looking for.  One of the biggest things we looked for was people with accountability and the certain knowledge that they are NOT perfect. >

This sure reads to me as bias. But in a completely different way than you think. Seems your bias is leading you to believe everything you do is perfect and no one else could possibly have done something better than you did >

Yeah, their "I should have gotten an A in writing" and "I wrote a perfect essay" really showcases that.  Personally, I want to know what a "perfect essay" for a job looks like. >

I want to know what job needs an essay, much less what “perfect” even means for a subjective based assessment. >

I mean...who says that the job market has equal opportunities for all?
But just to start with, let's look at your example of incompetent supervisors.  Have you heard of the Peter Principle?  It says that employees rise in a company until they reach a level of incompetence.
Essentially, people get promoted, and only stop when they stop excelling at their job because they got promoted into a position they weren't fit for.  That isn't an example of "non-equal opportunities" because anyone could have taken that path, it's instead an example of bad promoting practices. >


I mean...who says that the job market has equal opportunities for all? 

Many people would consider what I said controversial. If it was openly admitted there were a lot of biases, then I'm all for that. However this is an extremely uncomfortable and sensitive topic to bring up. 

Have you heard of the Peter Principle? It says that employees rise in a company until they reach a level of incompetence.

Doesn't explain away much at all. I'm talking about general opportunities and even general entry level positions. >


Many people would consider what I said controversial. If it was openly admitted there were a lot of biases, then I'm all for that. However this is an extremely uncomfortable and sensitive topic to bring up. 

Would they though? Workplace discrimination based on race/gender/poltics/health etc... Is a common part of public discourse. To the point of being the centre of several major policy initiatives in most western countries  
And I doubt you'll find anyone in charge of hiring that is going to pretend that personality and how well you'll fit in to the existing team isnt a big factor in their decision making process, i am and i certainly wont >


personality and how well you'll fit in to the existing team isnt a big factor in their decision making process

Since we humans are incredibly biased, using subjective measurements will lead to biased results. Now Im not saying team spirit isn't important, but many times this is used as an excuse just because of their race or that they are slightly different. In my experience, "how well they fit in the team" is a way of washing your hands of any guilt because its not "you", its just that "they wont fit the team".
Most senseble people that you want to hire will get along just nicely. You could also have a trial period for this very reason if you have doubts. >


You could also have a trial period for this very reason if you have doubts.

Yeah that's the part of the hiring process where these things are going to be gauged. >

Idk how anyone can change your view here. All your arguments are 100% based on your personal view. Theres nothing to refute there because i cant tell you what you went through in life and, on the flip side, if i just told you my personal experiences or ones ive witnessed in real life, would that change your view? >

It's funny you mention this, because I didn't mention it in my post but...
Can you guess what led to my breakthrough realization? 
Academic research studies on bias and job market bias. They tested thousands of statistical samples and applicants, published results, and it has been a very active area of research for many years. Just search for them online and you'll find plenty. I've read a few and they've directly fed into many of my views.