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Yeah that's the thing though, for me it really bothers me more that people think I'm going around being an asshole, driving a huge truck or otherwise trying to compensate just because my dick is small. I can also see the idea that it implies that having a small dick is bad. I mean just the idea that you can 'accuse' anyone of it implies there's something wrong with it.
I mean, to me that's easier to hand-wave the idea that there's something wrong with it since I've had enough lived experience to know it doesn't matter. However, I feel like there's probably a lot of people out there who haven't who are still really hung up on it, particularly young people. I know I already brought up homosexuality, but it reminds me of when people use to say you shouldn't call things gay because it puts a negative connotation on homosexuality. Speaking of that, there's that phrase, "It gets better," that is used to comfort/console LGTBQ youths and I think it should be applied to body-image issues too--whether that be penis size, breast size, weight, whatever. Looking back on my life, it was definitely the insecurities that negatively effected me far more than my actual size ever did. 
But yeah I also feel like there's kind of a lot of people just trying to paint this as her being caught being a hypocrite or something, and I agree with you that I especially hate it when men frame it as some kind of, "Oh look, see, we're oppressed too. So much for feminism!" kind of argument.
I guess I just see both sides of it.
The female equivalent is
"Loose Pussy Energy".
The typical man-hate hypocrisy commonly going around is beyond obvious.  And it is an attack on All men and boys not just some. >

No one has ever said this >

Yeah I think that's the point >

Oh  it is they just don't care   there is no context to justify this because if you used an insecurity of another group like women or trans people, even if the person you are criticising is a shitty human being , people would absolutely lose their shit , vaush tried it with J.K Rowling even thou the intention wasn't misogynistic and it was supposed to be ironic no one let that slide because according to them it doesn't matter its still misogyny, which says alot considering the people defending Gretha tweet  are usually very intolerant of that behavior >

Of course, saying "small dick energy" is offensive. It's supposed to be. That's how INSULTS work, you insult people to make them feel bad.
"Loose pussy energy" is also an insult. We don't normally use that, but there are plenty of insults for women as well.
Maybe the key here is that insulting people in general is not exactly cool >

I think telling Andrew Tate that he is a delusional, misogynistic moron is absolutely fine and totally cool.
I think indicating he is a lower life form because he might have a particular body part that is a particular size is really insensitive to all other people who might also have that particular size on that particular body part. The size of one's penis does not determine their worth as a person, and telling someone they have a small penis should not inherently be an insult. It's strictly body shaming. >

I totally agree. >

So you agree that Andrew Tate is delusional, misogynistic moron? Good. Glad that’s cleared up. >

I never said that, im not weighing in on that debate, I just said that I dont mind people using those words at insults. >

What does totally mean to you then? >

OP is saying that if you don’t like something about someone, insult them directly about that thing you don’t like. It’s not necessary to insult them using a body part or characteristic that’s completely irrelevant to the situation. Imagine how mad women would get if people used “fat woman energy” to insult women they didn’t like for whatever reason. >

But people do insult women based on their body all the time.
All insults are immoral if you're strict about it. But they're also a normal part of social interaction. To argue that Greta's insult was in any way especially hurtful to men or whatever is laughably absurd. >


But people do insult women based on their body all the time.

Sure but that doesn’t make it right. 

All insults are immoral if you’re strict about it

Not necessarily if the insult is valid, which is why I said that insults should directly be targeted towards the characteristic you’re trying to insult. Like if Andrew Tate is hating on women, calling him misogynistic is not immoral. >

What is "valid" supposed to mean here? Calling Tate misogynistic is not an insult, that's a criticism. An "insult" is something that has no truth value. That is something designed to attack a person as such, without reference to their actions or views.
Calling someone an "asshole" is not an actual judgement on any factual claim about someone's butt. And "small dick energy" doesn't actually reference Tate's dick size, which obviously Greta doesn't know about.
It's kinda insane that we're discussing this. The only reason it's even a topic is because Greta wrote it. >

Am I allowed to comment if I actually agree? People say that it only hurts if you’re insecure about your size, as if that’s a moral failing. Being insecure is more to do with a trauma history or early neglect, and does not make you a bad person. Being unkind (like Andrew Tate) does make you a person behaving badly however. Leftists - please be consistent! >

I'm confused by this thread. Either this subreddit is way more right leaning than I thought, or these people honestly don't know anything about left leaning morals. 
This is the same reason why we condemn racist insults. We don't want to target large groups of people just for an insult. Retard has gotten backlash for the possibility of hurting the mentally disabled communities. 
Small dick energy is a callused insult. >

Honestly there’s no way around it. You can’t make the case that saying “small dick energy” is ok without having to immediately throw out a lot of the complaints made against Andrew Tate. There’s really nowhere to go with this one. I’m hoping what we’re seeing in this thread is just because it’s CMV >

The phrase “small dick energy” isn’t ridiculing the physical size of the penis. The phrase is ridiculing the stereotype of a man who overcompensates due to his insecurity about his penis size.
A man with a small penis but who doesn’t try to overcompensate does not qualify as “small dick energy.” Rather, he just has a small penis.
“Loose pussy energy” is not ridiculing the vagina per se, it is ridiculing the behavior — having sex with many men — that is perceived to lead to a loose vagina (to be clear, a loose vagina due to frequent sex is wholly fictitious). 
So, in sum:

Small dick energy = criticizing the behavior of toxic masculinity 
Loose pussy energy = criticizing the behavior of having sex with many men (akin to calling a woman a whore or slut) >

On the contrary I think the phrase "small dick energy" reinforces toxic masculinity. This even helps the anti feminist/ incel ideology gain more traction seeing how there's a modern cultural bias in body shaming.
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modern cultural bias in body shaming

I don’t even know what this means. >

Modern cultural values of progress, gender equality are lost on insults to men based on their physical attributes that they can't control ( penis size, height etc). I don't care when two randos are insulting each other with it but when prominent influential figures do it with millions of followers and without any major backlash it just normalizes it. >

She wasn’t criticizing his penis size. She was criticizing his personality. >

The insult was based on penis size. She equated men who have small penis with personality traits that are undesirable. Its funny how people are not understanding that when it literally says.. "Small dick energy" >

Men who overcompensate due to a small penis size absolutely deserve criticism. Men who have a small penis do not deserve criticism. >

You don't know most men's penis size so any reference to it is speculation and an attempt to de-maculate them. 
So unless you know specifically the size of said member, the phrase is meant as an insult to all men. >

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I don't think anyone is arguing it's not offensive. I'm pretty sure she was trying to offend insecure men. Apparently with great success. >

She was trying to offend men who were insecure about their body image?
How is that not body shaming? >

It is, but we playing the avoidance and rationalization game >

because women invented "small dick energy"
harsh, sad. but we go jim🗿 >

Not a disagreement per se, but also worth noting that it’s transphobic. Which is to say, it insults all men by reinforcing patriarchy and punching down to two groups of men. >

She said small dick energy. Not that he had a small dick (though, come on). She used that phrase BECAUSE it's Tate. She's not a moron.
He is, as evidenced by his life to this point and his two responses to Thunberg, which were epically pathetic, is a moron and didn't seem to get it, though he doesn't get a lot. >

This is worse than saying he has a small dick, because how would she know, and that would just be dismissed as stupid.
What she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.
I can't understand the mental gymnastics some people are doing to try and say this isn't body shaming. >


What she said is that he is acting like he has a small dick, and in order for it to be an insult, that means having a small dick is a negative.

I mean yeah -- kind of like how pussy is an insult denoting cowardice, cunt is an insult meaning basically, terrible, etc., 
She used that on purpose. Are you making CMV every time you see someone calling someone else a pussy? >

Pussy is kind of already known to be a shitty gendered insult so it doesn't need a CMV. In this case, Greta's gendered "having a small penis is bad" tweet is massively amplified, reached r/all on a shitload of subs, etc. so some discussion about whether or not that is cool is warranted >

Small dick energy isn’t about having a small dick tho. It’s a reflection of an attitude that men who are offensive, aggressive, nasty to people are overcompensating for their insecurities. A small dick doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find a partner or that you’re any less of a man. Being a downright trash bag of a human to others, like in this instance where an internet edgelord is cyber bullying a teenager on the internet who is fighting for the survival of our planet/humanity is an example of this trash behavior, is more of a determining factor. 
You can also have a small dick but have big dick energy, as it’s reflective of who you are as a person. It’s an attitude. It’s who you choose to be to yourself and others. Hell, there’s women who use the term that they have big dick energy and I can tell you those women’s dicks are none existent so therefore size isn’t a thing. 
No one should be made fun of for something they had no control over. The worth of a man is not tied to the size of his penis. Although, toxic masculinity and shallow people will tell you different. They say the same for disabled people, fat people etc. There’s plenty of people who are not “conventional standards of beauty” which is the majority of us, that lead happy, healthy relationships. Those relationships start with yourself and understanding your worth as a person isn’t tied to what you look like or how big your junk is. 
The point is if you choose to be a trash person like Tate, where your self worth is tied into how cruel/offensive you can be to other people, don’t be mad if people call you out for that trashy attitude. Your post definitely reeks of “men are the true victims” when clearly you didn’t seem to have a problem with a grown man cyber bullying a teenager. >

I like how you imply that OP is a fan of a literal human trafficker because they point out that a body-shaming insult is body-shaming. Do you understand why associating a trait of someone's body with negative personality traits is bad? >

No because people like this always have exceptions that allow them to use the things they complain about. Cognitive gymnastics allows them to recognise shaming women and people of colour is bad, because society will eat them otherwise, but when someone shows up who deserves a bit of a roasting all of their social etiquette rules go out the window and the excuses come out as to why in this context it doesn't count.
"Ahh no, here it is a reflection of an attitude" blah blah 3 paragraphs later and we've clouded over the simple fact that body shaming is body shaming and harms people you weren't intending to insult. >

People like this? You’re assuming things about me because I am a character in your mind not a real person. I am not a monolith. We should not be body shaming people. I am explaining the other side of this issue and why people use these terms. You never asked if I use these same terms in my life. You assumed I do. I don’t. You didn’t even bother to read my response because if you did you would have realized this. >

People like this, I think they meant, hypocrites. >

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If someone is behaving insufferably, people are going to laugh at them for things that they wouldn’t find funny if it happened to someone they liked.
For example, is it funny when people go bankrupt? No. Would it be funny if someone like Andrew Tate went bankrupt after boasting about Bugattis and all of his mass wealth? Yes. This doesn’t mean people who would make fun of him for that are making fun of poverty or all people who lose their livelihoods, it would just be funny if it happened to that particular person. 
In the same way, the idea that Tate does all the douchey, over the top macho things that he does in order to compensate for having a small penis is funny, whilst it not being funny to make fun of every person who has a small penis. >

Substitute fat. Is that ok? >

Depends on what the fat person is doing. If the person is minding their own business then no, if the fat person is attacking other people’s appearances then yeah go for it. >

Interesting take. Might want to play with that a bit. A lot of situations where your reasoning falls apart. >

I'm happy to hear some? >

Would you use the word retard interchanginly here? >

Well retard is a slur, having a small penis isn't. Might as well say that if you think it's acceptable to call someone fat it must be ok to call someone the n word. >

Retard is a medical description for someone with intellectual or development disabilities. It is seen as a slur because it dehumanizes those people. >

Right, so it is a slur, which ‘Fat’ and ‘Small Dick Energy’ isnt. Whats your point? >

It's a slur because it dehumanizes those people. Can you not see how those other insults do the same thing to people even if you're not saying it directly to them? You're saying X person is bad, you have Y trait, but it still hurts everyone else who has Y trait. >

You can have smol pp but big pp energy and vice versa >

So why is the phrase small dick energy if it has nothing to do with having a small dick? >

Idk man, I just work here. >

You know why. Lol cause small dick is associated with bad. And by insulting  dicks you use this knowledge to offend, at the cost of body shaming people. 
Stop feigning dumb just to avoid the reasoning lol >

Would you agree with me, that if Andrew clapped back with one of those that the internet would be up in arms about it? >

You mean the way that you are, here, on the internet, up in arms? >

Im one person on reddit, theres no major backlash like there would be if the roles were reversed. >

See, what's happening here is that you are also looking at people who are "one person on Reddit" and pretending it's a major backlash. Andrew Tate says fucked up things about women all the time (in fact, it's kind of his whole schtick) and it's as much of a non-event as this is. >

Please link me to something fucked up hes said about women, and ill agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right. >

Here's exhibit A. >

Sure I agree with you he has said fucked up stuff about women, it doesn't mean its okay to make a joke about small dick energy.
Do you understand my point? >

We understand, it's just that your point is fucking stupid >

You have no idea what his point is, it's funny that people on this thread OP and others actually like Andrew Tate.
It proves that everyone is completely frothingly tribalistic with zero nuance. >

When you call some MF that doesn't necessarily mean you are a MF... I'm not saying it's okay to say abusing words but we still do use them.
I don't think she said it in literal terms, it was completely literary. Also she only said it cause it was Tate who she said it to. Also if a woman has small tits and someone said to someone else that they have small tits energy, I don't think one who actually has small tits would mind it, cause she is not involved and it's kinda perfect way of irritating Tate.. cause he really cares about these things. 
When it comes to increasing the insecurity of someone who actually has small D and is insecure about it... She couldn't think so far cause all she wanted was to irritate Tate and she was successful >

Is this some kind of weird meta-game? Are Andrew Tate fans pretending to actually be offended by this stupid insult to prove a point? Does anybody actually think her retort was any sharper than a brick wrapped in a wet blanket?
What is going on here?! >


What is going on here?!

Andrew Tate fans have a lot of small dick energy. That's whats going on. >

Why are people not allowed dislike tate (he's an absolute idiot and a grifter) and also to criticize obvious body shaming from a supposed progressive? If Biden started talking about "N*gger energy" criticizing Kanye for antisemitism, would that be ok in your eyes? Would you say that a black guy who doesn't like that must be an angry Kanye fan? Or is it disgustingly offensive towards all African Americans to use that type of language no matter what? >

Mimimi
Btw... Kayne doesn't have ngger energy. He's got very small dick energy. Snoop Dog has nigger energy, and he wouldn't complain if somebody said so, because he's a cool n*gger.
Pure assholes complaining about "body shaming" is absolutely  ridiculous. They are just butthurt they're now at the receiving end of the insults. >

I can see how it would be offensive, and I wouldn’t use it myself. I feel like the phrase refers more to how someone acts as opposed to how they are endowed. And how it’s behavior and actions that make people think down of you not your penis. >

Point is that we, as a society, should encourage better insults that attack the comments of the person without necessarily having to equate it to something someone with a small dick. >

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Yes, making insults is offensive. That's the point.
Insults that reference a body part are also offensive to people who are insecure about that body part. That's also kinda obvious.
What do you want your mind changed about here? I'm unclear about what you think can be discussed about an insult meant to be insulting. Are you arguing that this insult is especially wrong in some way?
How is this not just you soapboxing? >

There's a reason as a society we don't use insults like "retard". This is in the same vein. You're attributing a negative thing with a man having a small penis. This is harmful as it perpetuates the stigma surrounding penis size which is outside ones control.  Essentially it degrades a group of people who have nothing to do with it. OP wants to know whether or not this is reconciled. Reading the comments... It has not been. 
Making gendered insults doesn't bother me truthfully but I can understand the frustration OP is expressing because were it to be a man making some edgy reference to a woman's lady parts being inadequate as a way to demean them then everyone would be outraged as opposed to cheering it on. >

Using “small dick” as an insult, or “loose pussy” isn’t really offensive unless you are insecure about the physical viability of your reproductive organs. 
But, that doesn’t make it funny. It’s a really juvenile and uncreative way of ridiculing someone. >

I think Greta used that phrase not because she actually believes or wants to promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior, but because people like Andrew Tate believe and promote the idea that small dicks are actually inferior. If Andrew Tate gets hurt because Greta says he has small dick energy, then maybe -- just maybe, with the tiniest bit of introspection -- he'll come to realize how hateful some of his language is.
Bullies like Andrew Tate don't really respond to logic or pleas for sympathy. The only way to maybe make them understand the hurt they cause is to inflict it on them, because they don't care about anyone but themselves. 
So instead of putting the cart before the horse and blaming Greta for using an offensive phrase as an argumentative tactic, maybe blame the people who use the phrase to actually demean people. >

Can we substitute fat instead and be justified? >

No one said it has to be authentic caring. This sub is for exploring the intellectual arguments. Your perception of how authentic someone’s feelings towards fat people is basically irrelevant. Argue the point or don’t. Passing your authenticity test is a wierd standard to try to argue for. >

Insecure women are offended when they're fat shamed.
It's still body shaming.
It's still wrong. >

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Guy randomly decides to flex on her by saying I HAVE CARS AND I LIKE TO GO VROOOOM. It's like when Piers decides that it's absolutely important to eat meat in front of vegans. It's not about penis size. It's just that smalldickenergy is a perfect explanation of why would someone decide to behave like this. >

She is 19.  Maybe in a few years she will have more mature insults.  It’s a lot of pressure to be put on someone so young to also say the perfect thing all the time >

Aside from everything else, it's men who started the 'big dick energy' idiocy so to then complain when someone uses their own stupidity against them... >

Yes all men did unanimously decide to start using ‘big dick energy’ good point >

They’re saying it’s offensive to more than just Andrew Tate >

Yeah but again, ISN'T THE PURPOSE >

What do you mean again? You didn’t say that before. And why does the purpose matter? You can do a bad thing without meaning to. >

I meant to say isn't that the purpose lol mb >

Oh lol I probably should have realized that. But I think the point of the insult was to offend Andrew Tate. >

Fair. Trying to not say anything about him one way or another so I don't get downvoted to hell. >

Greta lost that argument. She literally has like a hundred things Tate has said and done she could attack. Easy target... The one thing she chose to do is to body shame the man. It's just name calling. It's not a refutation of Tate. If anything it makes her sound stupid for her inability to come up with a refutation. >

So just to clarify you're talking about a man who's entire ethos is to ignore facts and logic and well phrased and put together arguments (see the hassan clip) in favour of grandstanding and ego inflation tactics. and you think that oh wait she should have dismantled him with facts and logic. 
its just bad argumentation. sure dismantling him with facts and logic is "good debate" but what's that quote. Being upset when the pigeon you're playing chess with shits on the board and flies off. Tate is not gonna debate you. he's going to shit on the board. and then he's going to fly off and laugh at you for being covered in shit. 
there are people to which facts and logic mean nothing and to which their ego and popularity are the most important. Greta bruised his ego which is hilarious. but maybe more importantly he made him look fucking stupid infront of his own audience and he's now going viral for being owned by not only a girl but a meme. 
people engage with tate because of his alpha male im better than you all bullshit. he just got made the laughing stock by someone that most people still see as a whiney child. its not about him its about his audience. 
also body shaming? really. small dick energy is a thing. see Napoleon complex. she is shaming tate's behaviour not his penis size. she knows that he would be embarrassed by the idea of having a small penis so she is stating that the way he behaves makes him seem like that. i highly doubt that greta thunburg is a size queen. probably more likely that she understood how Tate views himself and his own masculinity and attacked that through the lense of TATE-ist ideals. as opposed to trying to appeal to his facts and logic and understanding of the world. 
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and to be honest you are playing defence for him when you go out there trying to undermine this situation. you think you could have de radicalised the nazis by defeating hitler in debate? do you think that maybe making the "strong man" look weak would be a way better tactic? >

I think you are kinda missing the point. People know it offensive. The issue is that they don't care. >

You do not know what Greta is "fully aware" of.  She is referring to character and behaviour, why are you taking this personally?  She isn't speaking to you, hasn't seen you, doesn't know you.  I don't know why you are externalizing your issue like this and waving it around in public, is it our responsibility to fix this for you?
She was just making a tiny joke.  Relax.  smalldickenergy @ getalife .com is hilarious. >

Andrew insulted her. He was asking for this insult. She was totally in the right. She wasn’t trying to shame anyone else. You’re asking for this insult too. >

Under nearly all circumstances, I agree with you.
However, for a lot of people who have built a cult of personality around any given ideal, insults of the inoffensive type are completely commonplace. All they have to do is fend off one or two instances of this PG rated attacks, strawman them, call them snowflakes, and their following is bolstered and enhanced. Instead of having any negative effect, it becomes part of their inherent power.
Sometimes if you want to rattle a cult leader you have to hit with precision their most critical weakness and watch them implode. The fact that Tate is squirming so hard and doing everything he can to reclaim some of his dignity after Greta's clapback means that she has his number. Great isn't saying that having a small dick is bad, but knowing that Tate's entire personality is built about being an alpha male and that calling into question the size of his member will hurt him the most is what she was after. 
Of course, it wasn't classy and could be offensive to some. But as the saying goes, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. >

I'm not commenting on whether or not his fans will like him more or if the controversy will inadvertently grant him a wider audience. 
I'm commenting that Greta knew exactly where and how to hit him the hardest. Yes, he is definitely squirming. He has scrambled out half a dozen prepubescent "I know you are but what am I" tweets. Then he went and made the absolute cringiest response video. He's incensed by being talked down to by Greta and is overcompensating. 
Did her tweet have any net positive effect on society? No. Did it ruffle Tate's feathers and make his blood boil? Yea. Would he have even cared if she called him a misogynistic prick? Absolutely not. He would have just told her to sit down and shut up, that misogyny is made up by inferior women blah blah blah...
Instead, his insecurities are eating him alive. >

I think you are missing what I am saying. I fully agree that it wasn't necessary nor was it the right thing for Greta to do. I also agree that it just gives him attention and was overall a useless venture other for the entertainment of Tate haters.
OP asked why it is okay. I stated that it isn't okay but that I understand why Greta took that road rather than the suggested non-offensive approach. It is because he's immune to it. What he isn't immune to is his masculinity and ego being questioned. What is the point of the Wolf continuing to blow on the brick house? None. To get to the scared little piggies inside he needs a jackhammer. 
And it worked exactly how she planned it to. He was rattled and anyone who hates Tate is amused. 
Not saying it's the right thing to do, nor do I want anyone to feel ashamed of the size of their penis. >

People used to make fun of small tits all the time. Remember the 90s? Remember the itty bitty titty committee? I don't know if that's a thing any more, but skinny women with no butts are definitely not seen as attractive. It's not fair. It's not their fault. People need to stop shaming themselves and eachother, and accept all bodies. Until then, "small dick energy" won't cease to be an insult. I guess the difference is people are sort of "punching up" since it's always been people with dicks who have the power in this world. I've never heard a dude say that another dude has "small dick energy." It's always a woman saying that. Either way I think it's dumb but I get it. I've always thought "Karen" was a dumb insult too. Not someone's fault they were named Karen, LOL. >

Isn't it more offensive for small pp folk, that there is a guy who base his entire existence on top of an argument that being an alpha, prime male is the most important thing in the world, and you need to be a testosterone bomb gorilla to have any kind of value. Isn't that argument disregards small dick guys in the first place? >

I believe I've already made a statement about what the problem is. >

Lol this is twitter. There is no playing into each other's hands. Get outside. >

Oh look. Greta is human. Someone who spent a lot of her growing up time trying to educate people.
If she was in a bar and some doofus made a pass, she's just asserting herself. Age and context. Good on her. >

It is actually been studied. Men with small penises actually do have less energy- testosterone or something. >

Being offended by anything is each person's individual choice. If something is offensive to you, then simply choose to not be offended by it. It's truly that simple. >

So there is no such thing as hate speech? >

No, I didn't say that. Someone can certainly say something to someone that they hate with words that they feel will harm them mentally. That is "hate speech". The point I was trying to make is that we all as individuals have the choice to react to whatever someone says in whatever way we choose to react. If I feel offended by something that someone is saying, it is my choice to be offended by it. >

I pretty much agree, but now we come to who decides. Does the person doing the talking decide whether it is hate speech? Or the person being talked at? >

There is no decision. The person who is talking thinks that what they are saying is not hateful, or they do. The person being talked at thinks that what the other person is saying is hateful, or they don't. The point is that it only matters if you make it matter to you. For example, if I say you are the dumbest person on earth, am I committing the crime of hate speech? Are you the dumbest person on earth? Probably not. But maybe I believe that you are. Does that make it true? If so, then it's not hate speech it's the truth...to me. If you, personally, believe that you are not the dumbest person on earth, then why would you concern yourself with what my dumbass has to say? To you, I'm the dumbest person on earth. I hope I'm getting my point across here. >

So we agree then? No laws regarding hate speech at all. You just ignore it and move on. >

Yes, sir. >

Yup >

I don't know how old you are but like.
Saying small dick energy actually has anything to do with the size of someone's dick is like culturally irrelevant.
Like you can have a tiny dick and still have big dick energy and you can have a big dick and have small dick energy.
Because, Most people who need to project their insecurities are insulted by the size assumption.
It's more about the idea of insulting someone by saying they're just trying to project masculinity. This is the same reason why being in small dick energy is really used in all circles and not just as a male centered insult.
Like buck and stud lesbians love the fuck out of that term.
People with a small dick who get insulted by the general idea of small dick energy as an insult need to deal with their own insecurities.
I'd much rather have a small dick than small dick energy. >

If the size is irrelevant, why associate being small with only negative traits and being big with only positive traits? You can't, and you could just say that being smaller makes you a bad person. It would be more honest. I'm sure people dealing with insecurities appreciate being associated with a human trafficker... >

Like I said I have a small dick and would rather have a small dick than have small dick energy.
The whole point is that the only people who care about size are people who are easily insecure.
It's because they care the people making the jokes know that size doesn't matter and they're not making fun of people who have small dicks they're making fun of the people who care so much about what the size of their dick is that an influences their entire self worth. >

There are plenty of secure people who care about size. They are big, so they don't get made fun of. The people who make the jokes, whether they realize it or not, imply that small = bad person. It reinforces to insecure people that they are wrong for something that they have no control over and that people around them, including loved ones, would think lesser of them, because they probably would if they are making these jokes. >

Bro I'm not big and I'm pointing out that not everyone who has a small dick is insulted by the idea of small dick energy this really seems to be a you problem. >

I'M pointing out that not everyone who is offended is a bad person, but people, like anyone defending this phrase, are just going to pretend to not understand because this is something people don't care if you make fun of, so this is just a waste of time. >


Not everyone who is offended is a bad person

Yeah, they're just wrongly offended because they assume the intent of something from a community they are not a part of. This is happening more and more because of how the internet is working.
Is like "Okay Boomer" wasn't actually about being born a boomer but about the Mindset of the generation.
It's the YOU and the other people offended who refuse to understand that "Small Dick Energy" isn't connected to you're actual dick size. >

Because it's only the people who are so insecure about their dick size who would get offended by the thought of small dick energy being an insult so it's kind of like self-selecting.
It's like when women say I hate men if you're not a man who shitty to women you're not going to get offended by people saying that.
We're not making fun of people for having small dicks we're making fun of people for acting like anyone in society cares about the size of your dick. >

She's an edgelord >

reddit >

Sounds like a skill issue >

Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. >

Not neccessarily an attempt of a view change, but i agree.
It's pretty offensive for those who are insecure about size. >

Tate was arrested for human trafficking, why is this your priority? >

hold up. 
just to clarify you're talking about a man who's entire ethos is to ignore facts and logic and well phrased and put together arguments (see the hassan clip) in favour of grandstanding and  masculine ego inflation tactics. and you think that attacking his ego is bad hat. 
its just bad argumentation. sure dismantling him with facts and logic is "good debate" but what's that quote. Being upset when the pigeon you're playing chess with shits on the board and flies off. Tate is not gonna debate you. he's going to shit on the board. and then he's going to fly off and laugh at you for being covered in shit. 
there are people to which facts and logic mean nothing and to which their ego and popularity are the most important. Greta bruised his ego by bruising his masculinity which is hilarious. but maybe more importantly he made him look fucking stupid infront of his own audience and he's now going viral for being owned by not only a girl but a meme.
people engage with tate because of his alpha male im better than you all bullshit. he just got made the laughing stock by someone that most people still see as a whiney child. its not about him its about his audience. 
also body shaming? really? small dick energy is a thing. see Napoleon complex.
she is shaming tate's behaviour not his penis size. she knows that he would be embarrassed by the idea of having a small penis so she is stating that the way he behaves makes him seem like that. i highly doubt that greta thunburg is a size queen. probably more likely that she understood how Tate views himself and his own masculinity and attacked that through the lense of TATE-ist ideals. as opposed to trying to appeal to his facts and logic and understanding of the world. 
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Also to be completely clear. men do make fun of women for having loose vaginas. thats just a fact. its often associated with no longer being a virgin or having too many partners, being a "slut" or as we all know it. slut shaming. so lets not be ignorant of reality. andrew tate being a large proponent of slut shaming women. (see his takes on being attractive after being "used").
and oh boy i bet his fans would have something to say about being able to call people sluts and slut shaming. how are they not defending the thing you said that nobody defends?
we as men see small dick energy as an insult because of a couple of things. oversexualiseation in the media. (porn, music etc) and the fact that it is tied to the dogma of masculinity and being a MAN. if we let go of those things like you suggest we'll see that it isnt an insult to the penis but the way he's behaving. just to reiterate it is an insult to people who've internalised the soceital dogma of masculinity and over sexualisseations.
the target is the flexing, the show off behaviour, the aggression the inability to self reflect, the self aggrandisement, not the actual size of his penis. any small dicked man will either have bought into societies teachings about small dicks and will be offended or will know that this is nonsense and understand that their penis size is not only not even slightly fucking important but actually overcoming that boundary tends to make them better in many ways not only sexual. 
she is doing the equivalent of giving a painful handshake to a really powerful man. or outclassing someone to whom class is their most important feature. she's using his rules to mock him to make him look weak. i dont really think the point is to make fun of small penises and to be honest i dont think the people laughing at him understand it as hahaha tate has a small penis. more so that he is acting in an embarrassing way and got clowned on by a teenage girl. >

The difference is the meaning behind the two.
“Small dick energy” is used to criticize toxic masculinity aka men who have a small size but try and overcompensate by acting like an alpha male, which is exactly what Tate does.
On the other hand, loose pussy energy (which I’ve never heard before) is akin to slut-shaming a woman because of the myth (yes, myth) that a woman’s vagina gets looser the more she has sex. That’s exactly why slut-shaming is.
Also, there’s nothing wrong with having a smaller size and SDE isn’t insulting those men, it’s insulting the men who try and act like an alpha male to cover it up. >

It's mostly used to mock those who try really hard to show "how big their dick is".
It's used to specifically target THOSE people using their biggest fear.
It's not the people saying it that thinks less of peopke with small dicks, but rather the ones they are mocking >

A lot of rationalizations here.
I could not give less of a fuck about insults but pretending this is not the same as someone calling someone a whore for example is being a clown. Way to go for the double standarts, just makes people more bitter that they were right about these movements. >

It is offensive indeed but since it was against tate we could let it slide this once 👍🏻
Also people here's a few alternatives                                
.flat chest energy 
.unwashed dick energy 
.stinking ass crack energy >

Why stop there then, call him a n*gger, call him a dirty muslim, go wild.... seems theres no standards anymore?! >

If people started calling guys who are not affraid to show their emotions or having high pitched voices "Gay  energy" it would be homophobic but when small dick niggas get a whole insult made out of em then "it's just a phrase" LMAO.
And btw who tf calls anyone by these synonyms? Stinking ass crack energy? >

Tell me you don’t understand what small dick energy means without telling me you don’t know what small dick energy means. >

i honestly agree with you. its not really body positive or whatever to say and should be frowned upon to say >

It is a very lazy term used by people who can't think about the impact of what they're saying. The people here defending her by saying "she only used it as an insult" would be aswell defending jokes that mock race, disabilities or anything else which would clearly insult someone you don't like. Just another disgusting example of the privilege anyone with a cunt between their legs gets.
Oh was that offensive? It's supposed to be. Thats how INSULTS work.
Yes i'm facetiously quoting another poster.... >

The insult isn't making fun of people with small dicks, it is making fun of people who have a certain psychological state/behavior towards other people. I'll let people fill in the details on what that behavior is. >

So I guess body shaming is okay if we add "energy" after it? How about insults based on immutable characteristics like sexual orientation, race too if we add "energy" after the insult it automatically stops being offensive or hateful? >

Like I said I don't think this specific quote is body shaming, since it isn't actually about small dicks nor is it making fun of people with small dicks. It's making fun of men who are compensating insecurities with posessions, wealth, and other ego centric things. >

It's making fun of an insecurity based on a body part and attaching a negative stereotype to people who have small dicks. It's like saying "Hey you're showing a lot of ugly fatty energy" and then say no I'm not laughing at you for being fat and ugly, I'm only criticizing the people who are insecure about their weight and looks, who compensate by behaving in a certain way. 
It's still body shaming no matter the intent or target. I don't know why this is very difficult to understand really. >

What if I say that I am offended that you are offended that you say "small dick energy" is offensive to men that are insecure about their size? Say I'm a man with a huge, massive dong. Say it's been a huge issue for me all my life. Let's say, hypothetically, that I am hugely insecure about the massive size of my dong and it's given me problems all my life. Every time I, hypothetically, go for a jog it's constantly flopping all over the place chaffing up my leg. Every time I have sex it's always this  huge issue and only like half of the thing can go in before the receiver is like "oh my god, stop, that's too much!" Every time I receive oral sex, anything more than an inch beyond the tip causes a gag reflex. Does that sound exciting to you? Here you are bragging about your completely normal sized penis and all your normal sized penis sex and here this hypothetical person with a huge massive dong has all these issues. I can see how a hypothetical person with this debilitating issue would take offense that you take offense. >

First of all "small dick energy" shames the energy, not the small dick. It shames the fact to be insecure by your dick size (which is a metaphor for being insecure about your masculinity in general) and overcompensate by doing big manly stuff. It doesn't shame the fact to have a small dick.
You can argue that it is as bad, but it's important to understand that. >

Don't be a cunt mate. >

couple things: small dicks is one of the things about men that men tend to care about to an obsessive degree, that women do to a way lesser degree but pretend to, because men typically like to have a very braggadocious and obnoxious attitude about everything.  this tate guy is that to the nth degree.  so i mean if anyone deserves being called "SDE" its this tate guy  
second thing is that people who genuinely do have small dicks don't own that they have what they do; they lie about it.  people who really do own that they have small dicks aren't made fun of for having them, because its not funny; the whole point is that you're lying about it and pretending like you're some big shot stud asshole, when you're not.  if you own that you have a small dick, then ironically, you don't have "SDE"; you own what you have, you're not overcompensating and pretending to be something you're not.    
so if greta thunburg was to call, say, howard stern "SDE", a dude who owns that he has a small dick and makes fun of himself for it, then it wouldn't be funny.  and howard stern even IS a braggadocious asshole.  andrew tate is just wayyyyy more of one, and he pretend like he's god's gift to women.    
in general when it comes to "oh poor men won't anybody think of the men" i just cringe.  i'm not the most liberal guy.  but conservative guys just reappropriating the oppression olympics self-victimization shit and applying it to themselves is just pathetic. >

Small dick guy here... I always felt like guys like Howard Stern were compensating for it by self-loathing comedy. That's a big thing comedians do in general, and so to me it's always hard to say a guy truly doesn't care about it just because he's joking about it. On the other hand, maybe I'm just projecting, because I'll poke fun at my tiny pecker and not really care if someone makes fun of me for it, but it also does truly bother me a little bit when I hear things like, "Oh that guy is an asshole, he must be mad because he has a tiny dick." Like... As if all us small guys are just furious that we aren't gonna win the dick-measuring contest that we let it affect our daily lives. It's a matter of extremes I think. I'm sure there's some guys with small ones that genuinely don't give a single fuck, and others who let it influence their entire lives, but I think most men with a small wang living in a society which implies that's a bad thing are going to end up somewhere in the middle of the scale.
The people I really feel bad for are the young people. Growing up with a small dick is a million times harder than being an adult with one. For the most part, nobody really cares if you're a grown man that's small, but when you're a teenager you feel like everybody cares. I had a really hard time wanting to pursue girls because of it, always worried about what their reaction would be, is they'd tell their girlfriends and it would get back to the other guys, etc. And that DOES happen... I remember being at the lunch table and someone saying, 'Did you hear Mike's dick is only x inches?" and I'd be sitting there like, an inch shorter than Mike and pretending that I found it as funny as everyone else around the table. It didn't really hit me until I was much older that I probably wasn't the only one at the table doing that. Plus I always thought it was weird like, at least that was evidence "Mike" was getting some, why should he care if it was small? It wasn't until I got over it and had a few flings and girlfriends that I realized it made such a little difference (pun intended) than what I had built it up to in my mind.
So I mean... Yeah, I think some guys do truly have small dick energy, but all that means is they're insecure and I think it kind of sucks that people don't think about the feelings of people who had no part of the fight who get their feelings hurt as collateral damage, and that somehow just because of the douche the insult was leveled at we go, "Haha you feel insecure about your body!"
One thing it makes me think about that I'm guilty of is calling guys closet-cases. Yeah, I am just trying to point out they're overcompensating about things because they are ashamed of their sexuality, but I don't really take a pause and think, "Wow, I bet that makes the people actually in the closet feel like shit." In some ways, I think it's even worse than just simple body shaming that as a society we're going around making fun of people for issues that could very well be deep seeded mental health issues, or could become so. >

idk i just think that the only people being accused of having small dicks are people who are so obnoxious that it feels like they're compensating, like this guy.  so sure its "body shaming", but a) body shaming is just something that happens that idk if we can ever really do anything about, because human beings value different body parts differently, and b) its only really shaming people because of their behavior, not their bodies.  its shaming their behavior, by implying something about their bodies that would be embarrassing particularly for a person who is displaying this behavior, like tate does, because somebody that obsessed with getting chicks would probably be extremely concerned if people thought he had a small dick.