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I was not trying to treat addicts like criminals,  I was pointing to supply/demand at work and the repercussion of illicit drug trade. Alcoholics have full blown options to purchase alcohol at any store and plenty of treatment clinics and liver transplant options. What I was indirectly deducing,  is that illegal drug turf war could have been the results of this incident. Or human trafficking. Yes, legalizing all drugs like a true free country,  would be ideal. Portugal had pulled the bandaid a long time ago on this and it's doing fine.
""It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year," said the neighbor who did not want to be identified."
Oops. >

Good thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys! >

Oh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window.  Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook. >

Poor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse. >

This is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February. >

In 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them. >

24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore.  East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central. >

Lmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas >

Oh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium. >

When is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood? >

This is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built. >

I thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ?  Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame.  Haven't been there since 03 >

Honestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life. >

I just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ?   That might be the distinction. >

Which one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though. >

I was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ? >

Oh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix. >

There's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.
Edit: looked it up, District 5 >

Sounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't. >

The hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related >

Bruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀 >

Not anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager. >

Do you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass >

Yea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles. >

Why exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though. >


Why exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? 

Because the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot. >

1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something. >

1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :) >

I know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles >

I need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way. >

read that line like 7 times. >

Prolly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back. >

Yup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street "justice" is very real. >

Always explained by experts in "street cred" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies >

That's some Breaking Bad shit. >

Just imagine raising your child - all those hopes and dreams - shattered. Positively heartbreaking. >

I had a friend in HS, late 90's, his whole family was gang affiliated. So, he shows up one day at a park to fight, and some else out of the crowd just shoots him  dead, not even 18 yet. >

Thats some cartel shit >

Or white supremacist militiamen shit. >

Found Jussie Smollett’s burner account >

This sounds like some kind of action TV show instead of real life. >

Sounds like a lot of border states honestly. Their homicide rates are low but you see some crazy stories involving kidnapping and murder when they do happen. 
This entire thing sounds drug related honestly. People armed with assault rifles do a coordinated operation on the residence to kidnap this 17 year old. They shot a person inside but didn't finish them off. Went straight for the 17 year old and escorted him out of the residence into a vehicle at gunpoint. Your typical street beef isn't getting that sophisticated so there is definitely something else involved. >

Thats the cartells for ya.
A coworkers uncle got escorted out of his parents house and executed, they left abulito  abuelta and everyone else inside alone. >


Maryvale

There's the problem. >

Classic cartel snatch and grab. Did the dirt and headed back across the border >

It can also be cured by decriminalization. Stop treating addicts like criminals unless they hurt others(robbery/theft to support habit, domestic abuse, etc). Get people into treatment when they’re ready instead of throwing them in jail.