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A lot of any profession aren’t very nice people. It’s not a medical thing.
I work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. 
Having said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. 
Some patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. 
Some patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. 
And some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. 
Of course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes. >

Wanting to leave after a long, hard shift seems normal to me isn't it? >

Wanting to go home, normal. Being about a whisker from walking away and throwing a fifteen year career down the toilet multiple times a week, not normal. Just common. >

It's a difficult field. You need compassion,  but also toughness.  
Start your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but  she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication,  saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident.  This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. 
Whew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax.  You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.
Smile! >

Former ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. 
The amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety. >

This should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me
Also, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die. >

“This should be a pinned comment” is a way of expressing one’s appreciation for a comment; the comment provides valuable insight, it should be read by everyone coming into this discussion. 
It’s a way of endorsing a comment. It doesn’t necessarily mean that the comment should literally be pinned. >

Any job that deals with the public will ruin you >

Yes, but medical professionals need to improve their attitude. I had severe anorexia in hospital, and after calling for help because my chest was in excruciating pain, they just looked at me and didn't say anything. I told them again that it felt serious and they ignored me. I passed out and I cannot remember the next whole day. I could see one of them laughing once I started having delusions due to starvation. I was also under 18 at the time. They often would be beside me when I gained and let me hit the floor, which happened several times a day. I came home still having delusion, feeling unwell and covered in bruises to a family they knew wasn't safe to be in at that moment. >

My transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life. >

There are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.
My brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing. >

Thank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly. >

Medical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting. >

That is absolutely true. But it’s also true for many professions who still do not have the bad reputation of doctors. I’m not denying that doctors and, especially, nurses need a better working environment but I just do not buy that that is the whole reason behind many acting in a way towards patients that would not be acceptable in any other professional role when meeting clients. >

I'm curious why you say especially nurses. Doctors have more patients under their care and for longer hours than nurses. Not to mention the burden of liability and decision making. Pretty clearly seems like doctors have the worse situation (other than being higher paid). >

Nurses get physically assaulted on the regular and are the ones actually responsible for making sure the patients don't die. For that, they getting middling pay at best. I could go on, but it seems pretty clear that you don't respect the work nurses do. >

"actually responsible for making sure patients don't die". Can you make it any more obvious you've never worked in healthcare? Some nurses are underpaid for sure, but the average salary is something like 83k. That's significantly higher than average pay for any generic job in the country. I don't know if you know this, but physicians are also assaulted by patients as well. Not trying to diminish the work nurses do, but that doesn't make their environment automatically worse than everyone else. >

Nurses are the primary responders when someone crashes. They're charged with assessing to find the signs a patient is going to code soon to prevent it. They have to keep their meds on schedule, monitor vitals, I/O, etc. Of course doctors are assaulted at times, but they aren't exposed to patients for the period of time nurses are so it's not as often. Do you honestly think doctors spend more time on patient care than nurses? 
When I started as a nurse, I was making less than people with no degrees, no trade, no skills working in natural gas. Nurses face the possibility of jail time if they make a mistake. They get assaulted in the hospitals on the regular and it's just expected for you to put up with it. A police officer would get to shoot someone for doing that but nurses just have to take it. I get that they make more than average, but it's also a highly skilled position that's both physically and mentally hazardous. We've got a constant shortage for a reason and brushing that off because they making "significantly more" than people who don't have higher education or in demand skills is ridiculous. >

A nurse is there first, absolutely, but they're performing actions under the direction of a physician (during a code). The physician is ultimately responsible for managing the situation and will likely be responsible for a majority of the liability. Everyone plays their role, nobody is disputing that. There is a difference in the burden in decision making (while still being hands on) and the burden of  managing a discrete hands on task. 
For reference, I'm also in favor of raising pay for nurses (and other healthcare workers). Almost all healthcare workers are underpaid for the role they play in society. >


A nurse is there first, absolutely, but they're performing actions under the direction of a physician (during a code).

This speaks to an ignorance of the knowledge nurses have and the order in which things occur. Yes, legally the doctor puts in the orders, but it's generally after the fact or its a standing order. A doctor doesn't tell them what to do, the nurse already know what to do and they do it. 

The physician is ultimately responsible for managing the situation and will likely be responsible for a majority of the liability.

No. Both roles have equal liability just not the same liability. The obligations and actions of nurses aren't negated by doctors orders. A nurse can go to jail for carrying out a wrong order that a physician put in. The doctor doesn't assume liability over the nurse. >

I mean maybe wherever you work operates in an unsafe way, but every hospital I've ever seen a doctor is running a code 30 seconds after it starts. Multiple nurses will play distinct roles, but they're not making executive decisions during a code(it's not in the purview of their job or within the scope of their training) >

I'm in the US, we have protocols for handling codes because they happen very quickly. Typically here, it takes a few minutes for the doctor to get the page and respond so it's over by the time they get there. This isn't actually unsafe at all. We don't have doctors as paramedics either and they're very competent at saving lives with the same procedure. I'm honestly amazed that your hospitals (wherever you are) have enough doctors to keep every floor so well staffed that doctors are there in less than a minute. The typical staff to patient ratios in my country would never afford for that. You're correct that the ratios aren't safe, just not for the reason you think. >

This just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession! >

Obviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous. >

So what's the percentage? Having one or even several bad stories when you're talking about hundreds of experiences in total isn't indicative of a systemic problem. Go to any type of professional enough and you'll have bad experiences eventually >

It's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things >

I'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency >

Sure, I assume you're going to be the one to pay the nurse their salary that they are missing out on by taking this nice long break?  The one that feeds the kids, that salary. >

I assume you can read, I said IF you can take one not to just auto take a break >


I assume you can read

Heh, if you notice people being rude to you, don't think it's because they are stressed/overworked. It's more likely to be you just being you. >

My wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. 
(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) 
Snowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. 
Snowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. 
Ever since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? 
But let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!
So yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. 
It sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years. >

Goes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients. >

I agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time. >

Try to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?
Yea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….” >

Many are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.
Medical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal. >

Quite a few of us were concerned about the way vaccines that hadn't been tested properly were being thrown out to the public, that media were being encouraged to downplay the severity of reactions to these especially in children, and the way the whole idea of healthcare turned into a political punching bag immediately by the media, which was always going to reduce compliance. >

Sure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there. >

Can’t argue with that! >

But what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them >

I agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick. >

Some of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital.  If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad. >

Sorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer! >

Thank you! >

They are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick >

I really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient >

Did it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve? >

Yes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME. >

No you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems >

I am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. 
Shit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like "oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous. >

I have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job. >

Its mine too. 
This shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck.. >

I can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree. >

“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me. >

My friend had gal bladder surgery and her hospital doctor wouldn't give her any narcotic pain pills after her surgery.  Even though she has no record of having problems with them or anything!  The medical professionals can be downright cruel! >

I can only imagine that working in the medical field is like retail but a thousand times worse. >

Nurses are wild cards. Could be the nicest person you’ve ever met. Or could be a a radical meth smoking conspiracy theorist. Hard to tell. >

I've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase "nurses are heroes," I think about Homelander. >

A lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.
As for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field.  My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. 
Whenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence.  When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere. >

Fair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch >

One of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care. >

Honestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day. >

Nurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff. >

They see it more as a business than healthcare >

Yes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help. >

It’s really sad that healthcare can be seen in this way. I was in hospital for my eating disorder and it truly sucked. Sit down, shut up, eat and cope without symptoms. A few of the nurses were kind, but most were very harsh/by-the-book and just lacking compassion or understanding. I (along with many others) felt like a body just there to be stuffed with food and sent off. >

You're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors >

A doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.
Of three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible. >

When you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. 
A lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job. >

It's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients. >

I could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents >

I went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. 
I had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. 
But I do ascribe to the "1/3 of the world is insane" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me. >

OBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children. >

While I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. 
-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. 
-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. 
-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could "verify" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. 
-Got accused of being diabetic because I was "perspiring" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.
-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. 
-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. 
-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. 
-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. 
In horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. 
Not in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? 
Bottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work. >

Why I stay as far away from health”care” as possible >

I know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money >

Honestly, it's just a job. Why shouldn't salary be the most important criteria for something they spend 40+ hours a week of their lives doing? >

Last year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. 
We were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. 
Finally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed  rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital. >

So. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed  many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it. >

I've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience. >

so what? it's not a requirement >

If you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job. >

Oh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient >

Yup. >

This has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. 
I won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them. >

You have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled. 
I hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job. >

The biggest assholes are those in healthcare, for sure. >

Most so-called medical professionals decide what they think is wrong with you before you open your mouth. 
Most of them don't appear to do any research on medicine after they graduate from school.  
They will openly say cruel things to people who or at their parents' bedside.  Things that aren't even true. But they enjoy causing pain.
Then there's the angels that do the opposite.
The sad truth is that psychopaths and sociopaths last longer as doctors and nurses. Because they don't mind causing pain. They don't mind watching pain but they get a kick out of seeing and causing pain. 
. Meanwhile truly empathetic people who get into nursing don't last long. Because it drains the life out of them. >

a patient cured is a customer lost >

From my experience in university, most of them get into it for the status and cash, not because they "care" about people.
My sister in law, who is a surgeon, and all of her surgeon cow workers have their heads so Ed up their ass. It's definitely a class thing for most of those people. >

Don’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!! >

Not to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago. >

Many of them are probably only there because their parents forced them or for the high status of the job. Not because they wanna help people >

They have to be. Otherwise the job would kill them. >

Most doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills >

The way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills. >

*a lot of the medical profession isn't >

All facts >

What is ME? >

Myalgic encephalitis - bedridden with it (got it from ‘Long Covid’) healthcare not interested at all and treated badly at the hospital. >

Diagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.
Today alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. 
And this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human. >

Yep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems. >

I'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes >

Honestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems >

I don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar.