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I saw an F-14 take down an SU-57 once
Russian jets for sale. Only shot down once. >

Some assembly required >

In russia Ikea assembles you >

Nothing like buying future easy targets. >

Probably be more efficient with Iranian pilots. >

Sobriety is a hell of a field leveller… >

Jets4drones.  Toys4Tyrants. >

1-877-JETS-4ALI >

“I will gladly give you a SU-35 Tuesday for a payment today.” >

If they’re in as good as shape as the arsenal they’re putting forward in Ukraine, I wouldn’t worry too much about it. >

The concern is the pile of weapons they'll get in return. >

As an average Redditor, I don't think Iran is getting shit.
Russia and Iran are just conspiring to make themselves seem more powerful than they are.
"Look at us westoids, we're trading jet fighters, you see we have no shortage!" >

From my understanding these jets were supposed to be Egypt’s. But Egypt back out of the deal when the war started. Russia can’t afford them. So they are trading them in for weapons/money from Iran. >

Egypt didn't back out of the deal when the war started, they backed out in july 2021 after their own internal war game between their Rafale and their SU-35, because the SU-35 couldn't go through the Rafale's Spectra electronic warfare even once, meaning they lost every. single. duel.
That's why they converted their SU-35 purchase into an additional Rafale purchase.

Egyptian Air Force also operates 5 Russian Su-35 fighter jets [...] it claims that Egyptian Air Force are mighty impressed with the Rafale after Russian Su-35s radar failed repeatedly when the Su-35 played a role of aggressor against Rafale F3R.
Rafale’s powerful Spectra Electronic warfare suite not only attacked but also jammed Su-35 BAR phased array radar successfully multiple times, rendering Su-35 blind in the sky, later following it up being shot down by the Rafale in mock Beyond visual range dogfights.

(and again just to be clear, that was in scenario where the SU-35 was playing aggressor, not being taken by surprise)
With the SU-57 being not only barely existing but also not good at all be it in stealth rating or weapon capabilities, the only place the Russian have that is still in theory "capable" by western standards is the SU-34, though just like the SU-35 it's also merely an upgraded SU-27. And the only reason why we consider it still capable to be good, is because we didn't have the chance to see it perform against NATO platforms. >

I cannot find the original source for that exercise anywhere, I'm very interested, but this is starting to look suspicious >


Press TV is an Iranian state-owned news network that broadcasts in the English and French languages owned by Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting, the only organization legally able to transmit radio and TV broadcasts in Iran.

Ah. >

Russia is securing air superiority in Ukraine by reducing the number of it's aircraft's >

It's doubtful those planes even worked anyway. >

They probably don't have any missiles or bombs left. >

Instant "Museum of War History" >

I wonder how they would fare against a f-22 >

They'd get massacred. Anything flying right now gets dominated by the F-22. >

Well not the f35 >

I don’t know my planes very well but I was under the impression that the F-22 is basically the most advanced and capable fighter in the world by a long margin but is expensive and complicated as fuck. 
I thought the F-35 was basically a less capable but still very good plane that was cheaper and more versatile to have in service and also something the US would export to allies unlike the F-22. 
I could be totally off here. Basically I always thought the F-35 was modern and great but still wouldn’t fare well one on one with an F-22. 
Happy to have a plane nut jump in and correct me. >

F-35 is quite a bit more advanced than the F-22. The USAF wanted to export the F-22 to lower costs, and stated there was no reason to ban exports of it if they were going to be exporting the F-35, but Congress is just fucking stupid and banned it against the advice of literally everyone.
Per the USAF, the F-35 is stealthier, has a better radar,  and has an IRST system the F-22 never got because of budget issues. F-22 is the better air superiority airframe, but rhe F-35 has the better avionics. It'd honestly likely just come down to the respective pilot, but my money would actually be on the F-35. Electronics win air battles, and a better radar + IRST is one hell of a damn mountain to overcome >

Thanks for the added context and info! 
Was there a particular reason the F-22 wasn’t simply updated with the F-35’s avionics or is the F-35 and it’s associated avionics package just too different for that to be a consideration ? >

It's not that simple. Fighter electronics usually have to be custom made for that specific platform. Noses are different, computers are different, cockpit is different, airframe is different. Adding IRST to the F-22 for example, would require massive redesigns of the airframe in order to hold it. 
USAF determined the cost just wasn't worth it. F-22 is slated to be phased out starting in a decade, and they didn't think Russia or China would have enough stealth aircraft to require those investments. >

Makes sense, thanks for replying! >

One careful owner, maintained without expense. >

Sat in the driveway except for every Sunday for church and breakfast. Starts and runs. >

I guarantee russia has agreed to provide nuclear capabilities to Iran to circumvent sanctions >

I'm not so certain. A nuclear Iran also threatens nations Russia is trying to maintain good ties with. >

Desperate people do desperate things. Can't exactly say Russian long term planning looks strong right now >

Sure but they still have plenty of tech Iran wants that's not so dangerous to themselves >

It's hard to believe after this failure of a war putin started, that anyone can still see any value in broken and aged military resources. >

Probably do well against civilians. >

Hopefully not Iranian citizens >

For sure they’re getting the missiles >

You mean drones? What are “the missiles” lol. >

Drones and missiles >

Ahhh I see. I hope Iran doesn’t push it that far. They gotta back this shit off we can’t have insane authoritarians with militaries to back them up popping up around the world. Russia is already trying to get China to do military exercises with them etc >

What about the Iranian F-313?😜 >

Lol >

And in return.   Ya'all got anymore of dem drones? >

Oh. Thank you for the jets. What do you mean they have no engines? Where are the parts you promised? Why do all of the boxes say "Made in China" on them? Seriously? all the training pilots were killed in Ukraine? >

Originally these Su-35s were destined for the Egyptian Air Force. After comparing them with the French Dassault Rafale, Cairo declined the order & bought the French planes instead. 
Apparently the Russian radar in these planes is not up to par (this is my surprised face) and is easily decoyed by Western countermeasures.  Looks like Russia’s hustling the Ayatollahs on this “deal” . The fact Ukraine’s handing Russia their lunch with Flanker models built when Gorbachev had a government job says it all. >

Better keep the receipt, most of them are probably broken. >

Fine print on receipt: as-is, no returns. >

Iran keeps making deals with Russia even though Russia screws them over on every deal, every time >

I’m exchange for those “missiles that will never run out” >

Boom >

Iran gets fleeced by Russia because who do you think negotiates these deals and where do you think they are negotiated? 
They are negotiated by religious hardliners enjoying the company of Russian prostitutes (male & female) in Moscow, Cyprus and other fun places. Plus some 'get out before they shoot you' money in a safe bank account for the possible collapse of the theocracy. I'd be making a hell of a case for Russian deals too if I were one of them. 
The jets are going to last about an hour in the coming Isreali-Iran war if they even arrive in time. 
Their drones and missiles will be figured out by the CIA or the Ukranians themselves and be mostly useless by the Spring. 
/we still need to give Ukraine anything they want. I pay my taxes. Make it happen. >

Let's destroy them with missiles. They claim they don't supply kamikaze drones to russia, so we're just gonna play that ridiculous game and pretend like we don't know anything about any missiles that precisely hit every su-35.
Of course we're gonna be sarcastic when claiming we don't know anything about it. >

So Israel doesn't want to help Ukraine ( Defensively ) based on the Russian agreement based on Syria policy but yet . >

This is some subtle but high praise for Ukrainian air defenses! >

Sounds like Russia is to receive Iranian money and Iran receive a nice IOU. >

So they've finally decided the F-14's don't cut it anymore? >

They haven’t seen top gun maverick yet >

You don't need the jets when you ran out of pilots. Exchanging jets for drones makes sense this way >

I wonder if they’ll show up with tape and bubble gum holding them together >

As-is, gently used.
You can pick them up scattered throughout Ukraine. >

With a personal thank you from Crazy uncle Vlad for all the drones they sent to Russia to kill innocent Ukrainian citizens. >

Now if they fly or don’t fall outta the sky that’s a diff story… well that is if they get off the ground >

I mean they might as well come from wish.com if they are coming from Russia. >

Hahhaha, order a jet get a toy jet model… no refunds it’s what’s pictured >

I don't see them flying that long. There's a lot maintenance that needs to be done all the time like ALL the Time. >

Iran still flies F-14s...