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You have a different definition of lying than the rest of the English speaking population.
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If you have been slighted at work, in what scenario do you believe that acting out in an unprofessional manner would benefit yourself?
You have avenues of action that all fall under the umbrella of being professional without being a doormat or just accepting the outcome and 'taking it"
Just because the specific individual adviser you interacted with may not have your interests at heart doesnt mean their advice isnt valid. Again, what scenario do you imagine lashing out unprofessionally gets you better outcomes? >

In the scenario that a company doesn’t automatically deserve professionalism if they themselves aren’t professional. >

It doesnt matter what the company deserves. In what scenario does acting unprofessional benefit you? >

I guess for you, self respect isn’t something you practice. Furthermore “unprofessional” can mean a myriad of things to different people. Perhaps I should ask what does unprofessional mean to you and use that as a basis of understanding. >


I guess for you, self respect isn’t something you practice.

This would be an example of being "unprofessional"
To me unprofessional would mean anything that would essentially get you written up by a typical HR department - be it insults, violence, shouting, cessation of work duties, showing up late, insubordination, and general burning of bridges.
I do not consider sending out a bunch of job applications, coming back with written offers, as well as the general set of actions to put management in a position "they cant refuse" with respect to promoting you as unprofessional >

I’ve never had a career advisor tell me not to switch jobs if you think you can find a better fit (including better compensation) elsewhere. 
I have heard “be professional” in the sense of “don’t be rude, hostile, or refuse to do your current job adequately every time you feel slighted” but I think that good advise. People who are difficult to deal with don’t tend to benefit from that behavior >

Could I ask for clarification by your last sentence. “People who are difficult…” not sure what made you feel the need to imply I was that person. >

They didn't actually imply you are that person. You read that into it on your own. >

I mean they are directly answering my direct post. Who else would it be directed to? >

Posting in this sub isn't meant to be about you personally. It's about your view. The person above responded to your view, and made a point about what it means to be professional vs. the alternative. They didn't say you are unprofessional. They didn't say you are difficult to deal with. >

So how does that have anything to do with the post the ? >

Being angry and bitter is extremely valid, I don't really think the intent of telling someone to "be professional" means "let them walk over you"
I always saw it as "don't flip out and yell and beat the shit out of people at work" but maybe I just have a low opinion of humanity >

A good career adviser will always have you focus on yourself as the product.
You don't want to be the guy who lost his shit when he got slighted. You don't want to be the guy who caused drama when he was asked to d new tasks. You don't want to be the guy who always thinks he should get a raise.
Instead you should be the guy who people want to give a raise to. Who people want to hire. Who people will bend over backwards to retain.
It's important for you to understand that will not happen in every company. Or even the majority of companies. 
The most important thing you can do for your career is to make yourself valuable. The second most important thing is to find a company that appreciates your value. 
Everything your hypothetical career advisor is telling you is in line with that. Unless they are telling you to stick with some company that treats you like shit. >

Not sure what tangent nor do I understand your comment regarding being the guy that causes drama has anything to do with my point. Could you please elaborate? >


Has anyone else notices that most of the “career advisors” always tell yo to be professional when you’ve been slighted.

I was referring to that. >

So again. What does that have to do with drama. >

How were you planning on responding to being "slighted"? >

You’re sidestepping my question. How does that mean drama. >

The assumption was that you were going to respond to the slight either through physical violence or a verbal argument. That is what we call drama. You were going to cause drama. Or did cause drama.
My assumption may have been wrong. Which is why I asked what you meant by that. >

Every single person ever has to eat a crap sandwich now and then at work. No one cares about the "righteousness" of an individual rebelling against that fact. You are measured at work at how well you digest crap sandwiches, fair or unfair. No one struggles to be happy with success, so what value is there in the guy who is happy bc he got promoted? I want the guy who gets handed a crap sandwich, outwardly says "no sweat" and inwardly says, "never again". >

So in other words you’re the person this post is aimed at.
Edit: attracted to at >

I've never been a career advisor, but I've constructed a successful career. And I've been in your shoes. Younger me DID the "I won't stand for this / you aren't going to walk on me" tirade. It accomplished nothing. Ever. It doesn't even feel that good once it's done.
And it's bc, in retrospect, I realize it's not ACTUALLY standing up for myself, it was just fear. In expressing my anger unprofessionally, what I'm actually doing is proving my vulnerability, and I realized "they" don't deserve a single square foot of my headspace, nor do they get to define fore my vulnerabilities. >


I have this feeling most of these “advisors” were C level employees and just want to give you platitudes and keep you complacent? 

What would that gain them? Giving bad advice is not in their best interest.
They tell you to be professional when slighted because being professional is the baseline expectation; if you aren't professional, then it's unpleasant for your coworkers and just reinforces the decision the management took.
"This employee didn't get the promotion they wanted, and now they're being unprofessional. Good thing we didn't make them a manager if they can't meet baseline expectations when they become disappointed." >

None of the examples you gave are lies. They may be bad advice, but that doesn't make them less than truthful. >

Being deceitful is in itself a lie. You could lie by purposely giving bad advise. Creates a constant loop of clients if they have to keep coming back due to said bad advise.