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I mean, it was a multi national R&D program… that Canada as well as many European nations contributed to, but like. Pop off I guess.
Canada really needs to spend more on it's navy.
Longest coastline in the world. 5 diesel submarines and one is in a shopping mall. >

Why should they? Any attack on their coastline and they’ll instantly invoke Article 5 and America’s totally OP navy will come to their aid. The US would never let Canada be invaded, it’s too much of a security risk for us. >

Because America can’t be the world policeman who can simultaneously protect all of Western Europe, the arctic, North America, the Middle East, and east Asia. 
Americas Allies need to be able to stand on their own. People forget that World War Two wasn’t just America and Russia single handedly beating the axis powers. People forget that there were over 20 nations allied against the Axis. 
Can Canada take on Russia or China by itself? Absolutely not. But it should be able to hold its own so the US and NATO can help turn the tide. >

China doesn't have the ships to threaten Canada with its Navy even without the US. Their fleet can barely travel beyond 1000 miles. >

China has been building their fleet at the fastest rate in modern history and have the worlds largest fleet. Blue water capabilities will be within their reach by 2030. >

Largest fleet in terms of number of ships, but nowhere close to the USN in terms of gross tonnage. >

This is a nonsense statement. US ships have farther to go to fight China. Near term, their sights are on Taiwan. They don't need tonnage to bring the same level of fight. US ships doe because they need endurance. Beyond this, not all US sides are in the pacific, meaning at least 1/3rd of your tonnage is out of the fight. >

Oh so the literal factual statement I made is “nonsense?”  Cool.  Go cope somewhere else.  China has a couple dozen ships that would be any threat to the USN, the rest are fucking toys.  The US 7th fleet and the JMSDF could easily hold off china long enough for reinforcements to arrive. >

It is because you are implying a fight with China will be some brawl in which both sides have 100% of their naval forces in the mix.   
China has many ships and land based missiles that are considered a threat.   
Your own military strongly disagrees with your assessment. The rest as you put it, are in fact not toys.   
Japan and the US have a mutual defense treaty not an offensive one. The Us going to war does not mean Japan will.  
Moreover, Japan is also afraid of Chinese long-range missiles, so much in fact it changed its destroyer orders to include for AEGIS systems for ballistic missile defense (read anti hyper sonics).  
So yes, you made a nonsense statement. That flies in the face of reality. And what your own military has stated. >

Lol please show me where I implied any of that, you dipshit.  Keep on coping tho.  And at least have a fucking clue about what you’re talking about.  Japan has clearly stated their intention to defend Taiwan if they are attacked by China, to say nothing of the fact that China would have no choice but to attack American positions inside of Japan if they wanted to invade Taiwan.  Good luck keeping japan out of the war when that happens.  And you can jerk off to the fear mongering from the pentagon all you want, but those of us who aren’t dipshits understand it for what it is: the pentagon trying to convince congress to give them more money by exaggerating their enemies capabilities. >

Its a great deal. I thought the deal should have come years earlier but it seems by pure luck of waiting we get the 88 updated F-35 without the early on kinks and for a cheaper price than was being initially offered in the first deal. >

Was the deal per unit higher or lower a few years back?  It looks like it my be cheaper now due to higher unit count? >

It’s both cheaper and more units. Canada is also getting more advanced aircraft since the deliveries will only be in the late 2020s, which have a fair number of upgrades from early construction models. >

Note that every aircraft from batch 10 (which is basically all since 2016) are supposedly capable of being upgraded to the block 4 level, which is what Canada is ordering here. >

it always amazes me how canada went from basically being in the ranks of the major powers during world war 2, with its own indigenous MIC (my grandpa helped design planes for Avro)
to its current state of having a undersized (for the sheer size of canada atleast) military with absolutely disfunctional procurement strategy.
i get that they are completely secure, with the usa being to their south and there is an argument to be made about needing a decent military or not as Canada. 
but how the mighty have fallen... >

The entire Western World has collectively decided to outsource the majority of their security to the United States. 
Obviously minus modest forces for mostly internal peace of mind for these western nations. Sure, there are some minor to medium exceptions to this rule here and there, but really this is just the case. 
This is true whether you are Canada, the UK (to a lesser extent than others), France, Germany, Belgium or Etc…. There could be a lot of huffing and whatabout here, but it’s fundamentally true. 
The British and the French, to an extent, have an expeditionary capability to project forces anywhere in the world, but much more limited than the US and they would have difficulty doing so on multiple fronts at any type of scale. 
The US Navy maintains the second largest Air Force on the planet behind the U.S. Air Force. We have as many aircraft carriers as all other nations combined and they are far more capable. Not to mention the accompanying surface and subsurface strike group accompanying them.
Our global strike (nuclear and non-nuclear) is so far ahead of anything else it’s nearly incomparable.
And this all occurs while all these other Western Counties (especially their Reddit citizens) mock the US for the hefty defense spending and lack of social progress. It’s very high horse without appreciating the subsidized security they receive. 
It is WAY more complicated than that and way more grey than black and white (as most things are). But I feel those are some broad strokes that get overlooked by folks on here quite often. We could all have a more reasoned conversation by acknowledging some of the above. 
I also acknowledge North America and Europe know what’s happening here at the geopolitical level and all is cool there. It’s more at the citizen level we argue for no reason about some of this. >

Most Western countries don’t want the means to invade other nations. That’s why they are so small.
Otherwise Britain, France, and Germany. Three countries you mentioned. Have all invested in their military upkeep.
Britain consistently invests more than it’s NATO requirement, and it’s military training is seen as one of the best in the world. France consistently invests into it’s own domestic military capability. France loves it’s military independence, and has used it to exert influence over many parts of Africa. They’ve been parts of conflicts in Africa for decades to try to keep the peace. Germany are world leaders in many military areas. A lot of world military vehicles use German or German derived diesel engines. German tank turrets are seen as one of the best in the world.
All three nations have some of the best land equipment in the world. Plus equipment like the Eurofighter, blue water aircraft carriers, and attack and ballistic submarines. >

Lol the German military is famous for being underfunded and dysfunctional. For many years now, they have been dealing with chronic issues where a very large part of their jets, ships, and other critical assets lack the maintenance to be close to being able to deploy to combat if necessary. 
The UK was barely able to deploy to Afghanistan without the US supporting them. Only France strives to be much more independent. >

The UK doesnt want to be independent in that way, I'm pretty sure its official policy to never go to war alone but instead work with partners such as NATO. The UK does however meet its NATO 2% GDP obligations, has its own carrier groups, its own 6th gen fighter program, contributed heavily to the F-35 program and supply parts for it, its own submarine fleet, its own bases around the world. >

It does not have its own 6th gen program. It's a partnership with Italy, Japan, and potentially Sweeden. They cannot afford to solo the project hence partners for work share.   
UK carrier strike groups realized heavily on Us marine F-35's to fill out their own stocks. 
You are being incredibly generous to the UK in your assessment. >

Hell ya. Thank you America! 🇺🇸  🇨🇦 💪