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It sucks. Russia claims a victory.
Now they're like 1/5th of the way to position themselves to attempt at Bakhmut >

And it only took longer than the battle of fucking Stalingrad. go Russia! >

You're off by a month but still. Battle of Berlin took about two weeks >

I am sure Putin thinks the thousands of dead or injured was a worthy price for a defunct salt mine, that his forces will just get pushed out of. >

He'd sacrifice them all over again once they lose control of that place again. Hell, probably double or even triple the losses would seem like a good deal to him. The lack of care about casualties is a dangerous thing, cause if high command and the soldiers themselves seem to have no problem throwing lives away for one point of control then the tactic of "drown them in our own blood" can work horrificly well. Ukrainian soldiers will get worn down mentally cutting down wave after wave of people eventually... it's all pure fucking insanity. >

You’re just too oblivious and ignorant to see the brilliance of Putin’s plan. He’s utilizing the strategy of master tactician, 25 star general Zapp Brannigan. You see, Ukrainians have a pre-set kill limit so he’s sending wave after wave of his own men until they hit their kill limit and eventually shut down. >

Putin's henchman: "Sir, the Ukrainians can RELOAD their weapons..."
Putin: "Fyck off, Dimitri. 1 man has the rifle and the next man has the bullets. Once the first guy is dead and the second guy is out of bullets, you need to get 2 more guys. Maybe save the rifle for the next 2 guys if you can. Everyone knows this."
Henchman: "What about the first guy with the bullets?"
Putin: "I think you just volunteered to fyck around and find out, Dimitri!" >

This is a big thing for the Russians to own the the mines around Soledar.  You can't be hit by a himar in a mine.  But mines can be defeated by simple things.  Its not structured concrete bunkers like some places have. >

If you just collapse the entrances of the mine, can you just ignore them if they have no way to dig out? >

Those mines need fan to change the air. Those fan need electricity, just focus on their generator, and let them suffocate down there. No need to collapse those mines. >

You think the Russians won't bring down hostages with them? >

At what point do hostages become a necessary sacrifice? Imagine if you could take out 1,000 enemy soldiers and potentially shorten the war and save lives by sacrificing 50 people. Would it be moral? >

No-- morality implies that a higher power has determined what's right and what's wrong.
Ethically, it's a crapshoot. You have no idea if sacrificing the 50 will actually save 1,000. There could be any number of other variables that come into play if you just punt it to the utilitarian perspective, which has always been the problem.
I think the golden rule really covers it best. "Would I want to be in a mine used as a hostage if the situation were reversed?"
War sucks. >

Morality does not imply any higher power.
The definition is - of or relating to the judgment of right and wrong in human behavior
What determins right and wrong is immaterial to the definition. >

Right and wrong are determined by a persons perspective. >

With all those warriors nipping away for main battle tank training, I expect this to be a temporary thing. >

The Ukrainians tried to defend it as hard as they could but knew they had to retreat for a stronger foothold.
Its no secret that a new major offensive will be starting given the repeated strikes on Russian command and logistics, likely in the South west of Bakhmut but an offensive nontheless.
There's basically nothing in Soledar that's worth defending by sacrificing everyone's lives. Let the Russians advance if it will allow more progress to be made in the coming months.
Soledar is basically the only "Victory" Russia has had on the front lines for half a year, and I have no doubt that it's temporary at best, if not a deliberate strategy by the Ukrainians to form a better defence, waiting for all that equipment and tanks you've mentioned :) >

Wow congrats Russia, you won a small mining town that you've flattened >

Yeah sure the problem is that this is close to bakhmut >

I still dont really think this is that much of a problem, Everything around Bakhmut feels like a sunk cost fallacy from wagner/politics that the Russians cant just give up on it. Like taking the town was an important strategic goal for launching offensives on the cites beyond..........when the Russians controlled Izium. Without it any offensive beyond Bakhmut is going to me a monumental challenge and the moment they lost it last year the Russians would have been far better served abandoning the objective and focusing elsewhere
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Instead they got dragged into full on trench warfare for limited gain and have been chucking men and material they cant afford to loose into a meat grinder >

It's not disputed. It's invaded. >

Infested by Russo-fascist vermin. >

Will this lettuce outlast Russias control of Soledar? >

It's not really a laughing matter.  When Ukraine liberates cities they find mass graves and torture chambers.  Many many heads of lettuce have expired since the invasion began.  We'd all like to imagine the Russian army is just conscripts and idiots, but the fact is they also have thousands of brutal monsters who are not going to be easily dislodged.  Ukraine is still fighting a war for its continued existence. >

Your post needs to be emphasized for everyone making jokes about Russians taking control of areas. The descriptions of the torture chambers found when Ukrainian soldiers liberate cities is haunting. In one location they found a box full of human teeth. Think about that for a minute. You’re just living your life then Russia takes over your city. They think you have info on insurgents or troop movements so they bring you in and start ripping out your teeth until you tell them what they want to know. It doesn’t matter if you don’t know anything or give them useful info, the torture continues until you either bleed out or they think you are no longer useful and then they execute you. >

I think the teeth thing was debunked. They were stolen from a local dentist. >

I really hope you’re right. Even then they would probably just use bleeding or shock since they haven’t shown to care about things like human rights or war crimes. >

For now. >

What town? Is there even a town left? >

Well that's certainly depressing
More propaganda for Russia shills to plaster everywhere too >

Retreat is a perfect sound strategy in any fight. >

How many undesirables did pootin sacrifice for that spit of land, and how long until the families of those undesirables start adding up. They cant keep this up, russia is done for. >

ya but the families will never know until after putin is dead... if that. They still havent told the families about their flag ship in the black sea that got hit. 
also Pooptin will keep calling up more conscripts as this (capture) can show him (and the pooperganda) that russian conscripts are untrained. 
Just give Ukraine Tanks and better long range ammo and missiles, and blow the mine enterances and wait at the other end of the exits to  blow those out as the russians try to escape... heck give them the outdated F-117 with laser guided jdams to shoot into the mines after the russians move in.  Or if the Ukraines can set up a temp coffer dam, let the winter melt fill it and then release the krakken... flood the fields and mine and make the ground unsuable for their heavy gear. >

Darn, Russia have taken a town but hopefully Ukrainian military can counter attack and retake it. >

There are higher priority targets Ukraine should go after first >

Please let there be bunker busters in the next care package. Please let there be bunker busters in the next care package. PLEASE LET THERE BE BUNKER BUSTEES INNTHE NEXT CARE PACKAGE! >

r/wellthatsucks >

Wasn't Russia on the brink of defeat a few months ago? I find it difficult to trust any news reporting on this. >


Wasn't Russia on the brink of defeat a few months ago?

No one has ever claimed this, stop stawmanning >

The LAST industrial zone on the western outskirts. >

You're quite right. I totally misread it. Like literally the whole article I misread.
I've had a snickers now, I should be okay. >

You should correct your original comment. >

Soledar ! What Soledar  ??