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Not much in the article reads like justice, but one cop got fired for his conduct. He is free to get rehired somewhere else and terrorize the public in another jurisdiction.
Young ruled last year that federal immunity laws shielded Crocker and Gutierrez from Nazario’s claims that they violated his constitutional protections against excessive force and unreasonable seizure, as well as Nazario’s right to free speech by threatening him with arrest if he complained about their behavior.

That sounds interesting for why there would be "federal immunity shield" preventing a claim for actions that seem to be exactly what the government isn't allowed to do.  I'd dig into that further, but I've had enough disappointment for one day.  I'm sure there is some technical basis for why that "makes sense", but it doesn't read positively in this summary. >

Makes zero sense. Rights are there specifically to keep the government from violating them, and the ruling is that "well these government agents have special immunity so of course they're allowed to violate your rights!" >

If they can be taken away, they're not rights. >

Everything can be taken away. There is no such thing as rights >

Such an absurd take, if there's no such thing as rights why do we put so much effort into protecting them? >

Its a pointless empty statement to sound deep. >

So why do we protect rights then?
Wait you were talking about them werent you. Look at all the other comments of people doubling down, it's hilarious. >

Apologies if my message was unclear, I was agreeing with you.
If a law can be broken, is there no such thing as Laws? >

I realized it as soon as posted it, i get triggered pretty easily so it's not you. That is a great question, it's like they still think we live in the wild where there is no right or wrong. >

Right and wrong is subjective. Your cultural and societal influences while growing up effect how you form the concepts of right and wrong. 
There is nothing that is objectively right or wrong.
It's a valuable lesson to learn in life, it's one big grey area. >


Nazario also said: “I’m honestly afraid to get out.”
“You should be,” Gutierrez responded.

Jury: Yeah that seems okay. >

It’s disgusting. I live nearby Windsor and there aren’t a lot of lights through it. It’s a pretty small town. I’m not surprised that he wanted to pull somewhere safer with lights. Should be everyone’s right. >

It is. In fact it's recommended by the State. >

They literally tell you to do this for the safety of the officer… >

Cops get pissed at that though. I had a cop behind me when I was turning right at an intersection. My tabs were past due so he lights me up in the intersection while the light was still red. He gets out and I asked him if we should pull into the gas station directly to our right.  He was pissed and said "I make the decision on when and where to pull you over, not you, do you understand me?" I watched cars back up trying to go around us and people still trying to make right hand turns. I am surprised he didn't get hit or cause anyone to have an accident. All to give me a expired tabs ticket. >

That stuff is so infuriating. It’s one thing if the driver is just nervous and doesn’t wanna piss off the cop but it’s crazy if the cop insists on impeding traffic and creating a dangerous situation. 
There’s an ultra busy 4 lane road where I live with plenty of parking lots on both sides, but I’d say half the time the driver just stops right in the road or even on the median. It’s nuts. Cops should be encouraging people to stop in safe spots. Some do. Most don’t. >

That is such a dangerous place to do a traffic stop for the cop...for the person they are stopping, it isn't as dangerous, but a cop walking around traffic going by is so dangerous. >

Surprisingly, it's actually not dangerous! In 2022, only 4 police officers in the U.S. died due to getting struck by motor vehicles - and that's in any situation, not necessarily just during traffic stops. In the same year, 4 police officers died due to health complications arising from exposure to toxic conditions during the September 11 terrorist attacks in 2001.
In other words, in the year 2022, a cop was equally like to be killed by 9/11 as they were to be killed by getting hit by a car! >

Not everybody dies from being hit by a car… >

As of the pandemic, we only measure health tragedies by the number of body bags. And even then you have to make sure the right tag is on it.
Depressed pessimistic /s >

How can any sane person look at that video and support the police? >

Large portions of our population are still fully under the impression that the police are infallible good guys from decades of propaganda. Large portions of our population are also still very racist and enjoy when the police abuse the "others". Unfortunately it isn't hard to put together a jury of people who will just be happy to "back the blue" no matter what happens. >

I have a democratic family. Their propagandized brains just fail to grasp that cops hardly do anything other than harass people. They do serve the public sometimes, but as far as crime goes they barely help. My brother works in a populated area and seems to think cops at his retail store are a good idea because it stops theft. Fails to realize that our current society is pushing people to feel the need to steal through extreme poverty and cops being there will barely help / is using our taxpayer money to protect a corporations bottom line.  Rather than use that money to help people escape extreme poverty or give them tools to better their life. >

That’s weird because in my experience, it is Republicans and conservatives who back and put their trust in police and their institutions in general. 
I’ve literally never seen a democrat have the stance are talking about. >

Rural American democrats. A lot of them are like that. >

Hey now, don't discount middle class NIMBY Democrats in urban/suburban cities. They make up a very significant percentage of blue votes in many states. >

I grew up in an affluent somewhat liberal suburb of New York City. Everyone loves the cops here because they actually do their job there and don’t over-police, even if it’s just a side effect of them just protecting wealth and a high proportion of influential/powerful people. They might not know who you are, but unless you’re clearly poor (good luck), they’re wary of pissing off who you know in the process. >


affluent somewhat liberal suburb of New York City. Everyone loves the cops here because they actually do their job there and don’t over-police

must not be on the new jersey side of things. >

Nope, Westchester where the cops might go on a llama hunt and calmly break up parties. >

Background.
He slowed and drove to a well lit gas station to pull over which the officers interpreted as cause for alarm whereas black people would consider that course of action as sensible and advisable. The temp dealer paperwork was taped to the back window so his befuddlement at being pulled over was understandable since they wouldn't tell him. Why didn't the cops  deescalate the situation with an explanation right off the bat? Instead, they chose Rambo. >

It's the advisable course by reasonable and well intentioned police forces as well. Can only assume ones that wish to do dark and dirty deeds to prefer traffic stops happen away from safe and well lit areas. >

It depends where you are in the country. Some police departments want you to stop immediately no matter what. Others want you to call 911 and have the dispatcher tell the officer that you're looking for a well lit place so they don't need to go crazy. I watched a video of a woman whose car got flipped over because she was trying to find a safe place to pull over and the cop decided to PIT maneuver her; then he scolded her for not pulling over immediately despite the fact he almost got her killed. >

Was that the one with the pregnant lady? I vaguely remember that the first thing she yelled out was that she was pregnant and the clown had zero empathy even after hearing that.    
I was like “dude, she’s not shoplifting or something, for you to be lacking empathy for her pregnancy, she wanted to comply but was waiting for a safe place”. Not a single “sorry to hear about that” or something to begin the sentence with.    
Hell, pregnant or not, after I read about that I was like if I’m ever asked to pull over, I’ll do it right away, no matter where I am. Getting honked at is better than getting flipped. >


dude, she’s not shoplifting or something

shoplifting wouldn't justify that either
There are very few circumstances where police are justified in deliberately endangering someone's life when there is no immediate danger to anyone. >

Yeah yeah, that’s right. I should have used a more drastic example, cos you’re right that shoplifting, though a crime, doesn’t put someone’s life in immediate peril. >

I thought you watched the one video of the off duty cop that pulled a gun on what he thought was a shoplifter…. Turned out to be a dude buying a lighter…. Stay safe