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who could argue with that ..
What does a nuclear weapon have to do with disastrous economic decisions? If anything it’s an expensive saber that you rattle too much. We need a better economic policy than war. >

Bhutto said “we will eat grass if we have to make a nuclear bomb”
I guess it came true
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Came here to say this one,  you a Hitchens fan lol? >

No man, never got around to it,  iam more of a fiction guy >

Maybe they should not have invested all those resources into nuclear weapons… >

Rumour is that Saudi Arabia paid for half of the R+D costs.  In return for 6 nukes, to be stored in Pakistan but which can be flown to them in hours. >

So now there’s a family with nukes. Great. >

I mean there is also NATO where nuclear members deploy their nukes on the soil of non-nuclear members. So this isn't exactly new >

But in the west and nato they are not often in control by a single psychopathic ruling family. >

Fair enough but also USSR put their nukes on Cuba and Russia is also planning to deploy nukes in Belarus. Sharing the "Nuclear umbrella" is more common than people realize. >

Nukes did not stay in Cuba. That was what the whole Cuban missile crisis was about.  Putting nukes in Belarus doesn’t do much since they had nukes before the Soviet broke up. Land based nukes are easy targets. This is why American  nuke silos are in the Midwest. Subs and carriers carry the other nukes. >

I mean north korea is also a nuclear power!
Nuclear power doesn't position yourself as a robust economy >

So what can they do? Demand non-nuclear countries give Pakistan resources or prepare to get nuked? >

That would just increase the problems tenfold. >

Worked out great for NK Fatty Kim though. >

Nk people live like serfs, only fatty and friends live a good life >

Which is what the elites in Pakistan only cares about. The CCP can prop them up exactly like what they did with NK. This way, they'll have 2 nuclear lapdogs that can threaten US and its allies, maybe even 3(Russia). Seems like a good deal. The Pakistanis are pretty feisty when they revolt, but the CCP can coach their IT stooges how to shut off the internet and their riot police to beat the protestors up real good. Myanmar learned real good from the CCP. >

Pakistani army is more of a USA vassal than china, imran khan is very much pro china compared to Sharif's and establishment. >

Shameful for a dirt poor country to waste money on nukes. >

Exactly ! Its like a redneck owning several assault riffles but not able to buy milk for his children. Who is to blame ? >

I don’t think there’s too many rednecks that can afford assault weapons to be fair given their current prices as apposed to sporting rifles but I see the point you’re trying to make. >

Dunno, given the proliferation of ridiculously expensive trucks out there… >

Being a nuclear power means jack and shit. It's all about GDP. >

Tell that to Ukraine >

I don't see him mentioning Pakistan's nukes anywhere directly, it just seems thrown in by the author. Pakistan is experiencing extreme flooding due to climate change and poor infrastructure to deal with it, it's understandable that he feels ashamed to put them into eve further debt, likely to China. >

Problem is they have been getting aid to fix infrastructure for some time. Corruption strips the money from the coffers though and politicians cry while wiping tears with money. >

I'd be more embarrassed about being the PM of Pakistan than of asking for money. Fuck, that's embarrassing. You've lived your whole life and THIS is what you're doing? >

It is a real shame when religion was one reason Pakistan came into existence. >

The British exploited the shit out of that one. "Let's divide up the people that fought together for and won independence from us." >

Developing nuclear was an excellent use of scarce resources. >

What the hell does that even mean?
Would a fair analogy be like; a guy with a gun standing in front of a crowd of people and saying this ? >

Might have been better to spend all that money on proper housing outside of flood zones using modern building techniques capable of withstanding natural disasters...... >

Too bad this sophisticated weapons don't feed people.
We should have stick to scythes and tractors. >

There is no shame for anyone to ask for help when they need it. The shame would be to put your pride before your practicality and then let anger be the guide the sets your nuclear policy. Pakistan is in trouble these things happen now what is the critical help you need to get out of the tough spot. >

Was there anything more recent than 50 years ago, or do we blame someone's great grandchildren for their actions? I'm genuinely unsure of when people think we ought to draw the line on something like this. Would we blame Germans today for what happened in the 1940s? Am I to blame for what the US was doing in and around Vietnam in the 1970s, a couple decades before my birth? Or is this generational blame something unique to brown people who chose the "wrong" religion? >

Wrong argument. Germany had Nuremberg trials and a comprehensive denazification, whereas Pakistan got more and more radicalised. It’s not one bad generation, great grandfather was playing football with severed hands in Baramula in 1947, grandfather was raping Bengali women in 1971, father was cheering on ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits, and if the new generation is supposedly from another planet, then who fills those terrorist camps and who pays Zakat to JuD ? Did aliens do 26/11, Pathankot, Uri, and Pulwama ? 
The world didn’t notice anything until 9/11 happened and these terrorists bit them in the bum, but we had already suffered for three generations by then. >

Maybe they would have enough money if they didnt waste it on nuclear weapons that will never be used. 
Perhaps they can ask for a loan from a country more aligned with their own values and laws where being gay gets you life in prison. 
All those countries seem very a helpful and nice so there should be no issue /s >

India should loan with security conditions. Cant be a better to bring potential peace and pin up bad actors in Pakistani leadership >

India and Pakistan seem to have real pride issues. >

Please explain to me how India has pride issues.
Edit: Now am getting downvoted for asking a question? >

"Whatever country you belong to" military doesnt have its pageantry? >

Well its always better than adults with guns, shooting them at each other.