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We should really set up a trade. 
The US doesn't want to sned Abrams to Ukraine for fear tech will get captured by Russia and/or sold on to China/Iran
Germany doesn't want to permit export of Leopords to Ukraine to avoid escalation, and would potentially ban future export to Canada if we ignore them
The US can grease the wheels here by giving us enough Abrams to replace our small main battle tank fleet (112 tanks), and give us the ability to order future tanks from the US at the same discounted unit cost as the us military (to compensate from losing out of competitive bids from Germany, one of the largest tank exporters in the world) for a fixed number of decades.
In exchange we bring over a few thousand Ukrainians, give them extensive training with the Leopards, then send our entire fleet to the front while we retrain ourselves to use Abrams instead 
Seems fairly win-win if the US has idle tanks at standby
Next couple days should bring some good news from multiple countries. Expect more announcements before this round of security meetings are done. >

How much are they going to have at this point? Enough for an entire armoured division from western tanks and IFV’s? >

Hopefully even more. Several vehicle transfer 'red lines' have been crossed just in the past two weeks. The flood gates are being opened. >


Several vehicle transfer 'red lines' have been crossed

Its actually amazing to see
At the start of the war the line was effectively 1 or 2 troop carriers, a dozen or so antiaircraft launchers 
Now equipment enough to arm small countries is being sent each time >

I don't think Russia has ever encountered such a middle finger that didn't come from Russia itself. >

The got a nice middle finger salute from the Americans in Afghanistan in the 1980s. >

I would have submitted this as " Canada to send Senators into Ukraine battlefield"
It would have so many meanings and I think most Canadians could get behind any of those meanings. >

No I would be embarrassed reading that. To imply that we only sent one of our NHL teams to fight... >


To imply that we only sent one of our NHL teams to fight...

And not even one of the good ones. >

Hey! Not cool! >

Ya, frig you! >

Whoa thats a huge donation from Canada. The Mounties will have to go back to riding horses. ( Jk ) >

Wait when did they stop? Haha >

When they figured out how to saddle a tank. >

The trick is to use a broomstick to push the pedals while you're straddling the roof >

Aaah, Mr Bean style >

I see you are a being of utmost culture >

As a Canadian I approve!
Glory to Ukraine!
Edit* FUCK YOU RUSSIA, bunch of bitches. >

Not to put a damper on it, but supposedly the CAF has been trying to procure these things for our own use for years. It's kinda funny how we can get them for our friends in a matter of months, but not for ourselves. >

They have more need than us right now, don't be a suka. >

I don't think that's the point they are trying to make. I think they are just pointing out that our (Canadian) government isn't willing to fund our military needs for years but is happy to spend for Ukraine. It's not a good/bad thing, just an observation that there is money for this stuff but our government doesn't see it as important for our military. I genuinely doubt soldiers in our military are upset that we are sending stuff to Ukraine at all. >

Canada has NATO to fall back on. The pressure the people have on the gov to up the force quickly pales in comparison to the boost of goodwill and global presence these donation have >

And I'm not denying that whatsoever. Nor did I say that these donations were a bad thing, I inferred that they were a good thing. I'm just pointing out that our government needs to take our military needs more seriously since we have the money. We could have bought these a while ago for our own use and donated them in which case they would already be in transit, along with anything else we could have procured as well at this time.
Just because we have NATO to fall back on doesn't mean we shouldn't have a strong military - look at the slow and scrambling response from a number of European NATO members at the outbreak of this war. We have significantly more land and coastline to defend with a much smaller budget, US aside any support we could get is an ocean away. We shouldn't be in that position if we can afford it. >

A very valid point! I'm an American, so I have no right saying what Canada should or shouldn't do. I was just stating some things from my perspective. Thanks for the reply >

Would love to also see humanitarian refuge support so we can get at risk innocent Ukrainian women/children/elderly/disabled out of the country. This goes for the whole West. >


Canada is donating 200 Canadian-made armoured personnel carriers to Ukraine, Defence Minister Anita Anand announced on Wednesday while visiting Kyiv, Ukraine.

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Anand said the Senator APCs are being purchased from Roshel, a Canadian company based in Mississauga, Ont., at a cost of $90 million.

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Since the beginning of 2022, Canada has provided more than $5 billion in direct assistance to Ukraine, including $1 billion in military aid.

Nicely done,  Slava Ukraini. >

This makes perfect sense.
It's built on a standard truck frame (Ford F550) so no special servicing requirements or parts.
It's a Canadian Company so a portion of those funds will flow back in the form of taxes and secondary economic value. >

Fully agreed. We could also send some LAV heavy APCs/IFVs that are also built in Canada, but the government is seemingly not willing to do that yet. >

Honestly with the Bradley line being crossed I wouldn't be surprised to see some LAVs in the next package. America has broken the seal on IFVs and the LAVs we build are exceptionally capable in wet, shitty terrain. >

we (Belgians) recently received 40 million euros to reinforce certain highways for heavy military equipment. Most military roll material passes through our ports. I suspect that many countries will join Canada if they already invest in our road network... >

"So like, take good care of these here Zambonis, eh. We'll need them back by next winter" >

Ukraine is going to have bits and pieces of every western military, which is not great logistically and in terms of training.  OTOH Russia is going the other way, digging into the Soviet-era stuff in the back of the cabinet, consistent, but woefully outdated and poorly maintained, unable to keep up production of the new stuff.  Personally, as an armchair general myself, I think I would take the random assortment of modern hardware over rusted out Soviet bits. >

I suppose it's a good thing that western equipment is generally built with interoperability and modification in mind, huh? >

These are built on a standard Ford F550 chassis.
Parts and service are readily available from everywhere. >

Lots of Russian bots on here today ffs… >

Also a lot of people acting like they’re fighting the war by writing slava ukraina and phrasing their comments as if they are actually fighting >

Nice, between all countries they have to be up to several hundred armored vehicles at least. Maybe even a couple thousand. That will make an impact. >

I'm staring to believe that "donating equipment to Ukraine" is really "sending products to Ukraine for beta testing".
Sending those 200 vehicles will reap the benefits for the manufacturer/government when reports come back on their combat effectiveness and reliability for ... the next upgraded model, which can then boast "Tested under fire" >

That's already been happening, Canada has already sent around a hundred of these vehicles to Ukraine (it wasn't just the Canadian government sending them), and feedback from the Ukrainians has been continually integrated into new production. In early January, Roshel said that 100 had been delivered to Ukraine and 300 more were queued up to go. This new announcement would seem to indicate another 200 on top of that?
Either way, Ukraine is going to have a large number of Roshel Senators. They're not front-line combat vehicles, but they're still badly needed. >

Thanks, Canada! This is gonna be invaluable help! 💪 >

Let’s do this shit. Get our boys equipped to smite the Russians from Ukrainian land >

As a Canadian, I think we should be doing much more, as should the rest of the world, but it's a good start. Send those Leopard 2 tanks!
Slava Ukraini. >

Agreed but the problem with Leo2s is that we don’t get to choose if and when we can donate them, they’re not built here and therefore not easily replaceable. It would take years to replace whatever we donate. Also, we don’t have that many to begin with, especially compared to our NATO allies. 
What could be more useful and impactful, in my opinion, would be sent hundreds of LAV6, of which we have plenty. These are also built in Canada so it would be relatively easy to just order some more to replace those we donated. Literal bang for buck, that’s the best option IMO. Oh, and we wouldn’t have to wait for German approval as well. 
200 LAV6 > 20 Leo2 >

Oh, I think the US could spare a few Abrams for our northern neighbors. The Marine Corps is no longer using them, so that frees up about 400.