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“And if you’re going to ask for an increase in the limit, at some point in time, you’ve got to sit down and say why are we hitting the limit?

By writing and passing legislation isn't that exactly saying why we are hitting the limit
Because he wants another shutdown to “own the libs” while ruining trust in US bonds? >

Defaulting is not a shutdown. A sovereign default is a much much bigger risk. I don’t know why Republicans are ready to play with something with consequences far bigger they can imagine. >

A bond default would essentially swing all of wall street and corporate America against the Republican party. >

I mean if that is what they want to do? >

There will be people in the streets if the economy goes to shit over something as trivial as this. It’s been hard enough over the last 15 years, but to purposefully fuck up the economy? >

They’ve done it before. Republicans ruined our credit rating with similar stunts not too long ago, costing us all (and our children) more money simply for political power plays. 
Republicans need a weak and vulnerable government so they can murder it and assume full control. This is what they’ve done with a number of states in the south; gradually run it into disarray and financial problems, then consolidate control, block competition indefinitely, and squeeze. It is happening in real time in NC. They are almost complete here, with just one seat and one governorship left to go. They won’t even need to win elections of Moore v Harper (the brainchild of NC Republican tyrants trying to kill American democracy and election of representatives) is given favor by the illegitimate SCOTUS. 
Democrats need to get on messaging that the US government simply cannot default, and any talks of shutdown are unconstitutional since agreeing to spending defacto means a sovereign nation doesn’t need permission to do so. Congress has power of the purse, but they already agreed to those outlays. 
The message needs to be that, if congress doesn’t like the budget, they can’t just take the ball and go home—trashing everything for decades to come in the process. They can simply pass a replacement budget. There’s nothing in the constitution stating a shutdown is necessary or even called for. It is just something stupid we permit, just like allowing reps to vote for other reps when they aren’t physically at the Capitol building.
Edit: and since this is talk about default, it is even dumber. They already agreed to spend that money. The US government only defaults if we let Republicans bully us into acting as they want us to act. >

I think people are spending too much energy on messaging and we need to pay more attention to actions. The lines are drawn. Anything said will be preaching to the choir. This messaging argument is more than a few years too late. >

Scalise: "Sure, we sat down at the restaurant and ate the food, but the bill seems too high when we got it, so I don't know if we will pay that."
Sounds like a Responsible Adult.