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I'm intentionally not referring to Kleck's work, but rather NCVS survey itself, and a study published by David Hemenway, which I can't seem to find at the moment.
I prefer to useeither neutral or "the other side's" research to make my points, rather than controversial pro-gun researchers.
The original claim was "DGUs are incredibly rare." This is simply false, according to any research on the subject.
Didn't this just fucking happen in utah? >

yes, in my town. Probably the only thing anyone will ever associate with this town now. >

If you plan on killing yourself and your family, always start with yourself. >

They don't plan on killing themselves. They plan comitting the act of ultimate ownership and control of their children and wives.
The suicide is just the exit after that fact. >

It’s the dead weight of reality setting in.
The fucked up ones are the ones who keep on as normal, pretending their loved ones are missing, and that they’re aiding in the search. >

Yep. Chris Watts comes to mind. >

Also Scott Peterson >

These cases are always so sad. His kids were 18, 16, and 10, old enough to realize that their father had mental problems. He was committed last year? Why or why didn't they remove his gun? >

Because that would be against the 2nd Amendment and that is the only thing that matters in 'Murkia. >


According to records, High Point police received calls to the home as far back as 2014. Police said that two of these were domestic calls, with fights that did not lead to any arrests. In January 2022, they received a medical call and then a request for an involuntary commitment.

If he was actually committed, you are wrong, it is prohibited by federal law under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d)(4)) for someone who has been involuntarily committed to possess a firearm. Someone in the chain dropped the ball. >

My coworker was involuntarily committed, but he still has his guns. >

That’s the state failing to do its job, a solid personal example. Every day he possesses those firearms and ammunition he is committing a felony, unless he went through the legal process to get those rights restored. >

Yeah, he hasn't. Not sure how that's gonna shake out for him. I think someone's holding onto them for now, but he could demand them back at any time. >

If that person gives them back they would also be committing a felony by furnishing a firearm to a prohibited person >

Good to know, I'll pass that on >

I used to live in the area in Michigan. I taught the kids. It’s still something I am trying to process right now. I feel so lost on what I can do to prevent this from happening again. >

Good lord, another family annihilator? This is what the 3rd or 4th one the last week. >

they happen all. the. time. Most don't even make the news.
Gun owners need to realize their guns will mostly kill them or their loved ones. Guns don't protect people. >

/r/dgu guns do protect people. If they didn’t, police wouldn’t be issued them.
That said, most intentional gun deaths in the USA each year are suicides, something magazine capacities or so-called assault weapon bans will not fix.
(gunviolencearchive.org) >

DGUs are incredibly rare. There are only 300-400 justifiable gun homicides per year >

Criminal gun use is far more common than self-defense gun use. 
All these DGUs claims are bogus, you can't have survey ranges of 60,000 to 2.5 million and think your research has any sound methodology. It's a joke. It was a ridiculously small study by Gary Kleck (pro-gun zealot) and highly flawed even Kleck came out and said his work was trash. Subsequent study of those survey results showed that most of the reported DGUs were in fact illegal gun use, like brandishing.
Edit:

According to research commissioned by the Obama administration, defensive gun uses are easily in excess of 100,000 per year. 

Sorry but no research was commissioned. A survey of existing research was collected. Kleck's claims were later removed because they were debunked.