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When I was a kid we smoked cigarettes before school and tried to get our older brothers to buy us beer.
Different life, I guess.
Gang of 8 girls, age 13 to 16, tried to steal a bottle of liquor off of someone, this guy tried to stop it, and all 8 of the girls punched, kicked, and stabbed him to death for it. 2nd Degree Murder for each one of them. For a bottle of liquor. >

I don’t believe all 8 of them stabbed him >

They don't all have to have been wielding the knife to be included in that statement. Assaulting him and holding him down while he is stabbed means they were collectively " punching kicking and stabbing " him. >

So your saying he was stabbed by up to 8 people.
Edit; yes all 8 participated in the murder. However not all 8 stabbed the guy. It was a simple question, brigade on sheeple. Try commenting on what people actually say instead of what you want to tell them. >

Tbf if only 1 person stabbed him that could be considered up to 8. I think they usually say up to when they don't know how many actually stabbed him. Guy stabbed multiple time 8 girls involved at least 1 had to have stabbed him could have been any number up to 8 >

Doing it again, that was clear. That isn’t in question. How things are prosecuted doesn’t change wanting to know the answer. >

You were the one who said upto 8 so I was referring to your comment are you saying your comment wasn't relevant to the question? >

Woosh. >

I still don't get what answer your wanting. How is the commenter supposed to know how many actually stabbed him. The point I was making is if your the investigator who has a guy with 30 stab wounds and you know there are 8 people who attacked him but you don't know how many actually had a knife how are you supposed to know how many stabbed hell even if there was only one knife it could have been passed around by the girls. Unless you have cctv footage of the whole event it's impossible to know how many of them actually stabbed him >

here I’ll make is dumb for you. How many of the 8 stabbed the guy? That’s it. >


A friend of Lee's who saw his alleged attack told CBC Toronto the girls had tried to take a liquor bottle from her and Lee had tried to stop them. The lead detective on the case later confirmed that police believe there was an attempted theft — "likely of a liquor bottle" — during the initial phase of the deadly encounter.

Jesus, killing someone over a bottle of alcohol >

Teen mobs are a different kind of dangerous than hardened gangsters, they will kill you by accident under peer pressure.  A group of 8 teens feeling like they each need to get their kick to the head in, and not knowing how much is life threatening, is probably more dangerous than a lone mugger with no one to impress and no reason to overdo it. >

Well they also stabbed him. So peer pressure of thinking you have to get a kick in isn’t the only potential thing here. >

If anyone else is confused what a "swarming attack" is, apparently it is not an uncommon term in Canada for a type of collective crime:

What is a “swarming”?
Different courts have described swarming as, or applied the term to a variety of different situations including:
i.   Where victims are surrounded and their clothing or money torn from them by young gangs;[3]
ii.   A group attacking an individual for the purpose of stealing something from that individual;[4]
iii.  A group attacking an individual or group on account of a prior dispute;[5]
iv.   An attack on an innocent stranger acting as a good Samaritan;[6]
v.   Young persons demanding money or items of clothing and then beating the individual following refusal;[7]
vi.  An unprovoked attack, on a public street, by a group.[8]
Although there may be a fair amount of overlap between these types of situations, there does not appear to be a consistent definition of swarming to date.  Certain factors do not seem to be necessary ingredients of the phenomenon (e.g. theft of personal property).  Nevertheless, certain basic common features can be identified, including (1) actions by a group (2) against one or several individuals (3) incorporating violence, harassment, intimidation and/or the potential for overwhelming force or pressure.

Source: Uniform Law Conference of Canada >

I saw such thing in Edinburgh at night, teens swarmed another boy and proceeded to kick him for 5 minutes until he run away. I froze but tried to shout at them (to no avail). What infuriated me most, one of the attackers was on… crutches. Despite being injured himself, he joined the attack ^(wish I was brave enough to grab that crutch and shove it in their asses) >

Hey don’t feel bad.  The best thing to do in that situation is call the police / ambulance etc. for help.  You’re not helping anyone by becoming a casualty. >

True, at that time I felt guilt for being a bystander, these days I observe situations and when needed, alarm the authorities (did that few times since then). >

Knife wielding teenage girls in Toronto? What the fuck has this world come to. >

This sort of thing happens once in a generation in Canada, but daily in the USA...with guns. >

Perhaps you should actually visit the USA one day and not assume that police procedural dramas that you watch on TV are an accurate portrayal. >

perhaps you haven’t been to chiraq >

Says the guy who’s probably never stepped foot in Chicago and heard the term “chiraq” from a Keef song. >

i have family i have visited and they have been robbed at gunpoint twice now, I get this information from my family as they live in a rough part >

As opposed to the bastion of civilization that is Texas lol. >

Wild that they only for 2nd degree charge >

If the catalyst was the liquor bottle then it doesn't sound premeditated. >

IIRC, murder while committing a felony, in this case the robbery, may upgrade it regardless. >

Not sure if we have felony murder in Canada, maybe some other equivalent. >

Canada does not classify by felony and misdemeanour, we use summary and indictment. >

Hate crime >

A small part of me wants to fight a swarm of teenage girls just to see how well I'd do. >

I mean if a couple of them had knives you would lose even if you won. No way you could protect yourself well enough to not get stabbed at least a couple of times. >

Just need reach, get yourself a spear. >

Walking the streets with a spear to guard against roving bands of teenage girls. What an epic time we live in. It's like a distopian nightmare. Or a dream come true for others. >


It's like a distopian nightmare. 

Groups of kids on the street have been performing violence against strangers for thousands of years. >

Of course, but the modern teenage girl makes it comical, if not just as deadly. >

This feels like another anti Asian hate crime.  I'm Asian American and there are a lot of attacks in the US of teens just randomly attacking older Asian people with very little attention or coverage. >

Because the right people aren't killing them. Can't disrupt the messaging. >

Most of the people killing them are crazy homeless people. >

A swarm of killer teens >

As a BIPOC person myself, it’s alarming to see the rise in black on Asian crime, all while having liberal white people gaslight you for pointing out the observable reality and statistics. >

These are the useless deaths people refer to when they say "People have killed for less".
People have no appreciation for life. >

No love like asian hate. >

What color were they? >

why ask when you already know the answer? >

Animals >

It is a cultural problem for a small percentage of people.... >

What, specifically, are you saying? >

Ah, diverse and tolerant Toronto... >

Its always “teens” when its a certain group…. Wonder if we’d get a more detailed description if the assailants were……. >

I may be misunderstanding you or missing some context here. Which certain group, and what’s the inferred other group with your second statement/supposition? >

Are you from the US? I think it could mean different things depending on the cultural context >

Midwestern US here but the crime occurred in Canada. I’m assuming the poster I’d replied to is Canadian or from the USA.
I’m used to vagueness in certain context-based languages. This just sounded like it might be coded language so I wanted clarity. >

Turns out the poor man was also homeless :( >

Ken Lee? I remember hearing a song about him 🤔 >

… “if living is without you…” ?! >

I believe you've misheard. It goes "tolibu dibu douchoo". >

Yep... That's what I heard 😊 >

Around __, never relax >

Ken Lee tulibu dibu douchoo... >

I'm glad I'm not the only one who immediately had this come to mind. >

How long till knife bans? >

I’m gonna take a guess and say these “kids” were not from the suburbs. >

Canada is supposed to be peaceful. What is happening there? >

This is the weirdest headline ever. Wtf is going on in Toronto? Isn't Canada supposed to be awesome?
How did teenage girls beat an asian man to death? >

Things are so awesome up here that we decided that crime should be legal from now on. It's gone... non-awesomely, but anyone who objects is immediately branded a right-wing racist. >

bruh left or right doesn't matter, we all are humans. what have we become to >

Ken Lee.. If living is without yooou >

Ladies can we push the soft agenda? There’s absolutely no reason a gang of 8 teenage girls out here mobbing like this >

There’s no world where I can imagine a bunch of teenage girls killing a guy. Are there pictures of the suspects? >

They had knives. >

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i understand that the degree of involvement of each of the individual girls is up for debate in the court of law, but how is the actual attack "alleged" >

definitely need a story coverage >

That's not a headline you see every day >

I still say kids that kill people should be wiped out immediately. That could go for teens too fuck it lol >

Are there no pics of the girls? >

Out on bail with a murder charge?