>

Jail for the masterminds of the American insurrection, too.
I was at the São Paulo protest. Don't worry world, we got it covered. Bolsonaro will be in jail as soon as the US deports him. >

As it should be
I'm honestly disgusted with how much shit Trump has done. I legit had one guy think "So you think we should just lock up Trump and throw away the key for the rest of his life" and I said "Yes, absolutely" and he goes "Why?" and I said "cause he tried to over throw our democracy"
Don't think he was happy with my direct and to the point answer.
You deal with the terrorists (yes I'm calling them terrorists) and their leader (Bolsonaro) as your laws dedicate and dont' use kid gloves.
Also I'm super confident Biden has 0 fucking patience for Bolsonaro and will probably kick him back to Brazil very soon. >

Trump was on tape telling Georgia officials to give him enough votes to win the state, and the justice department is still like "oh man oh geez idk i think we should investigate it maybe?" He was literally committing election fraud and nothing has happened to him. The country is beyond saving. >

On fucking tape. Nixon must be rolling in his grave 
History will judge this injustice >

When Trump dies and meets Nixon in hell, Nixon will be like "you did what? And they didn't do anything to you? How the hell'd you manage that?" >

"Stacked the courts first.  Duh.  Can't get in trouble if you own the guys who's job it is to punish you." >

How did he stack the courts? It was just unfortunate that justices died and he took an opportunity anyone would >

When I come across comments like this it gives me two thoughts.
One, our country is absolutely fucked. And two, I really wish I were able to be this checked out from reality sometimes. 
This is some Patrick Starr level shit >

Literally have no voice today because of how loud I was shouting "NO AMNESTY!"
I regret absolutely nothing. 
Jail Bolsonaro. >

I’m Brazilian but have lived in the U.S. since I was a kid. 
Where I live I rarely encounter other Brazilians but recently I traveled and was walking down the street and saw a large group of people dressed in Brazilian colors. In the USA, for my whole life, that has meant one thing: Soccer fans!
I was so excited myself about the upcoming World Cup and my face lit up until I got closer and realized what they were: Bolsonaro supporters, rudely blocking the sidewalk, shouting dumb shit at random Americans, making such a scene and behaving so idiotically that now when I see actual Brazilian soccer fans my heart sinks because I’m worried it’s just more right-wing idiots. 
So fuck this guy, him and his idiot supporters have taken something from me, taken something from all of us. >

It's the same with US colors now. They used to mean you were celebrating 4th of July or thought that flag shirt looked nice at the gift shop. Now if you see a crowd of US flag wearing people there's a 90% chance they're also carrying Trump 2024 and anti-abortion signs. >

What should have happened in every town and city Jan 7 in the US. 
Edit: and what 97% of the Republican Members of Congress failed to do EVER >

The left is too busy playing defense all the goddamn time >

I'm sorry the what? Did you just call Democrats the left? Bahaha. The Dems are a center-right party. They are not "the left". >

...what the fuck are you talking about? >

The Democrats are the closest thing to a left-wing party that the US has but they are liberals at best. >

What the fuck does that have to do with anything I said? I never even mentioned Democrats
Is this a bunch of bots? >

If you mean "the left" as a bloc of people with opinions then the idea that we're all playing defense is ridiculous. 
The only people always stuck playing defense are the Democrats. It seemed a fair assumption to make. 
Sorry for making you think I'm a bot I guess. >

Your argument is silly. The dems are the left in the United States. They may not be as far left as you want, but this is also not relevant at all to the conversation. >

Those idiots should be locked up and Bolsonaro should be strung up. The U.S. would be better off if that’s how we’d handled the MAGA terrorists on 1/6. >

Looks like supporters of the right only believe elections are fair when they win. If they lose its stolen, their new calling card. If it was left wing supporters storming these government buildings I reckon many many would have been shot in Brazil, or if the left did a January 6 then many more of them would have died. >

I don’t know man when the left long in 2016 the left was claiming mass cheating but the difference between y’all and them is that they decided to attack governmental buildings while politicians were inside >

The left also claimed Russia collusion.
Which was objectively true, people in Trumps campaign have been tried and convicted for their involvement with Russia.  They never got a smoking gun to Trump himself so the right likes to pretend that means the rest of it never happened. >

Collusion is not a legally defined term, so no it's not objectively true. 
It's absolutely something I believe but we can't say it's objectively true. >

Which should indicate I'm talking about the nonlegal concept of the word then.  Trumps campaign colluded with Russia; they took money from and acted in concert with them.  The charges that resulted in are not themselves called "collusion", but the proof presented to make those charges happens is the definition of collusion. >

The charges prove that the campaign benefited from Russian activities, and on a balance of probabilities they almost certainly were working with the Russians, but that has never been proven beyond reasonable doubt. 
Again, I agree with you that this is most likely what happened but we can't claim it's objectively true. >


but that has never been proven beyond reasonable doubt.

That's literally what criminal convictions mean.  What do you think they were convicted of otherwise? >

Nobody that I'm aware of has actually been charged or convicted for anything like "collusion" with Russia. Everyone I'm aware of has been convicted of sundry offences with regard to them obstructing the investigation into the alleged collusion. I'm happy to be proven wrong though. 
So once again while I 100% believe that these people are guilty of working with Russia in a manner that could be described as collusion, we cannot say that it is objectively true that they did so. >

Manafort was convicted of handling the money, just off the top of my head.  There's more to the convictions than obstruction charges. >

Man the US failed on a massive level when we look at the exact same scenarios around the world. Doesn’t matter the subject. This is the newest example. >

DOJ too scared to indict Trump, who is somehow above the law, apparently >

Man, America looks really weak in comparison for our handling of our capital riot. >

Especially the public response. You need to start getting organized and protesting. >

The other side shows up with guns and itchy fingers. Then what? We bring our own guns and make it an actual battle? Not disputing your point just saying it would escalate things.
We should have stopped Fox News 20 years ago. Now I'm so frustrated with the 30% of us that are right wing nutjobs that the idea of fighting them sounds appealing... which is exactly what the people distributing the propaganda want.
Feel pretty stuck at this point. I want to talk sense into them but hitting them with a stick would be more effective and satisfying. >

Well roll over then. You guys can’t complain about how things are there and then throw your hands up in the air and do nothing about it. >

Wow such an insightful contribution. >

I already told you go get organized and protest. You made up excuses. >

Just a little more context to non-brazilians
Brazil had a US-backed military dictatorship that lasted from 1964 to 1985, in that period, a lot of brazilians that fought the dictatorship were kidnapped, tortured and murdered and had his bodies covered, a lot of them have not been found until now
In the redemocratization process, the military leaders passed an amnesty law, that pretty much forgives all crimes commited by the government, so pretty much all of the dictators, tortures and murderes in the armed forces were never punished by their crimes like happened in our south american brothers (go see Argentina 1985, a really great movie that covers the Argenitinian dictators trial).
So, after the Lula election, the former Brazil president Michel Temer (that couped a legitimally elected Dilma Rousseff) starts claiming for a new amnesty law in orders to reunite the country after the four years of Bolsonaro, since them, "sem anistia" (no amnesty in portuguese) became a popular claim, also seen in Lula inauguration 
A little more context: Bolsonaro, when were just a congressman, in the section that vote the coup against Rousseff dedicated his vote for Carlos Alberto Brilhante Ustra, the guy who tortured Rousseff during the dictatorship, so in locals like r/brasil is now common to be things like "if we have arrested the guy who praise a torturer in congress, none of this would happened" >

I have said this since 1/6 happened that Trump will never see any consequences for his actions. The DoJ is too meek and worried about it looking “political” to do anything. The day America starts punishing the rich for their crimes will be the day our country starts the journey back towards being a 1st world country. Prove me wrong >

☝️this comment here >

So much for the far-right antifa claim.  :-)   
The destruction done by the far-right should be prosecuted, as the far-right demonstrated that they have no respect for anything, regardless of political allegiance. >

You know this is brazil, not the US.   
Rioters that bring destruction of property should be persecuted, no matter if they are left-leaning or right-leaning. >

You are aware left and right leaning are not inherently American political terms right..? >

Antifa…. wikipedia even says United States >

Ok wow, Brazil is an unexpected addition to the “countries with more stable democracy than the US” list, but here we are. >

Is it really surprising? >

If you've been following Brazilian politics, yes. >

After four years of Bolsonaro trying to erode our democracy and our institutions I too was joyfully surprised by how energetically Lula and the judiciary power responded to the attacks. >

America has at least one good lesson to offer the world:  Prosecute insurrection and treason; don't let the traitors to democracy go unpunished; and certainly don't let the traitors keep their jobs in government. >

Really, from what I see most of the January 6th  crowd got off with either light punishment or nothing?
Seems the US is threading very carefully in relations to these traitors. >

*Terrorists >

Good! Shit like what happened in Brasilia shouldn’t be tolerated, just like Jan 6 in the US. >

Isn’t this like the 3rd time this century storming the same building has happened? >

Good on Brazil, way to be a  b̶a̶c̶o̶n̶ beacon democracy. The USA could learn a thing or two here on how to handle this kind of thing.
Edit: typo >

now I need a “bacon for democracy” flag >

Sound like the name of a burger from a non American fastfood chain that sells "American" food.
"I'll have 3 Bacon for Democracy and two Freedom Fries please." >

😋 >

Uh yeah it's the only way forward with strong punishment, leadership of coup sharing cells with them, thorough investigation of government to identify and imprison seditionist sympathizers. See in the US we are too weak to do this our politicians too afraid to put the rich and powerful in prison. Our people are too scared to put pressure on the government for results/justice/stability so we are doomed to fail. Don't be like us. >

Every country needs to declare a war on fascism.  This is getting out of hand. >

Not sure if it’s intentional—but all the picture thumbnails of Bolsonaro supporters I have seen over the past day have been in pure green/yellow and draped with the Brazilian flag. And now this thumbnail where I see like two flags and that’s it, hah.
Just a weird coincidence for me I suppose following the trending Reddit articles. >

Bolsonaro was always using ultra-nationalism as a way to convince people that his government was the only solution to prevent "communism". So the fake news and sensationalism followed this trend of "us vs them", and they basically took our country flag as a way to represent their side. They even say quite frequently "our flag will never be red" in this fight against the supposed "communism". And another important thing to consider is that Lula's political party has a white star in a red background as it's flag, and it's origins are from work unionists. >

Wait, are you describing the equivalent of like the elephant for the Republican Party in the US? Or are they promoting a new national flag entirely?
Thanks for the info, didn’t know that. >

There is no new flag, really. They just use our country flag and even the brazilian soccer t-shirt as an symbol, like if they own it. >

Deja vu >

I wish Americans cared that much about the coup attempt that we just had. We got a whole political party that is going to face zero punishment for it, and now they know where their mistakes were, how their plan failed last time, and that when they get a chance to try again, they won't face any consequences if they fail. And you can see they have not backed off of being insane in the slightest little bit. Just listen to MTG anytime she opens her mouth and realize she's still got her job. What do they want to do as soon as they finish their house, speaker fiasco? Why, investigate the DOJ and FBI for investigating their capitol treason, of course. 
So that's where we're at. With one party openly trying to make this a one party state, Americans completely indifferent to it, and those who even so much as investigate the treason now being treated like they did something wrong, as soon as the traitors got just a little bit of power again. Which, in a sane country, would never happen again, because no one who was complicit in that treason would ever be in a position in the government again. >

YAAAAASSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! >

How novel, people who try to overthrow the government are immediately held accountable and the citizens demand it. 
Here in America 2 years later we still have no accountability or justice for “democracy” almost being overthrown. 
There’s literally video of trump getting a mob of his supporters in a frenzy to go commit treason and a literal mountain of evidence and trump, the ring leader, is still not behind bars and several people involved were given what amounts to a slap on the wrist. 
America if fucking dumb. Good for your Brazil. >

Lets just be thankful the Far right are as thick as shite. >

Damn right. Show the world how to deal with fascists. All they want or understand is power, so show them power; that is all they understand. 

no you have to let fascists do whatever they want. 

shut up. &/or listen to yourself. >

É nóis! >

Fucking traitors. >

What kind of country would put violent rioters burning down communities in jail??? >

Great they are doing this
Without normal people who defend democracy theres no democracy
Idk why some people want Bolsonaro in Jail, what he did? >

Incited rebellion and anti-democratic values, sabotaged actions against COVID and delayed getting vaccines, constantly attacked minorities and their rights, hid his corruption with constant 100-year secrecy in personal and official documents, openly idolegized a torturer of the democracy and declared that in the middle of Congress during Dilma's impeachment, used government funds to favor his election and that of his allies, claimed fraud in the elections without any proof, changed the Federal Police leader whenever there was any attempt of investigating him or his family's actions and the list goes on... >

This season is getting good! >

First rule of rev0l ution is to succeed or oyu might as well kill yourself afterwards. >

No amnesty! That's what America needs when it comes to the january6th terrorists. Throw em in jail and let em rot. >

Warms my Heart! >

Yah US politicians... you taking notes? >

Jail for the coward Bolsonero who is hiding in a US hospital right now like the baby boy who started a fight but then left his friends to get beat up. >

I wish the US defended our democracy half as passionately as the Brazilians protect theirs >

That didn’t go exactly as planned,… >

So apparently you can just arrest insurrectionists without letting them just walk away and go home? >

I mean fuck bolsonaro but let’s not pretend lula did anything good for our country. Just as big of a piece of shit tbh >

From what I understand, Lula's tenure brought, among many other things, affordable education, and most importantly, college access to the lower classes. This is what I hear from Brazilian migrants in my region. That alone is a pretty big feat in my book.
Of course corruption was and still is rampant. But that's a culture problem and not solved overnight with a leadership change, and a regime change will trade off rampant corruption for not-so-transparent corruption, and a lot of other problems. >

Don't forget increasing access to culture, removing the country from the hunger map, improving our international relations and greatly reducing deforestion. I don't like Lula and believe there is a lot of fair criticism of him, but let's give credit where credit is due and comparing him to the vermin that Bolsonaro is is completely unjustified. >

This is how democracy dies. 
If you can’t resist the temptation to exact revenge on a political  opponent, you invite tyranny. Democracy requires good losers and good winners.
Edit: For the disbelievers, point out to me all the successful democracies in which the losing presidential candidate is locked up after the election. >

Yeah, that's why you don't turn a blind eye when bad losers start destroying things and calling for civil war.
Democracy only thrives when those that trying to tear it down isn't tolerated. >

If you win an election by less than a point, shit's fishy. >

Is 100 greater than 99? >

When commies win elections only classic commies stuff will happen. >

It's a peaceful protest cmon lol >

Sure, let's also put everyone who torched ministeries and invaded congress in 2017 in jail too right? >

Can someone with a Brazilian’s perspective ELI5 who’s the shitbag and why? I’m getting conflicting info from media and internet searches, some say bolsonaro is a pig, but others say Lula is a ex-con who pulled his posse of crooks out of jail and installed them on government posts, and is now hunting people, throwing them in jail for protesting >

It can be both! >

I was at the São Paulo protest. Don't worry world, we got it covered. Bolsonaro will be in jail as soon as the US deports him. >

As it should be
I'm honestly disgusted with how much shit Trump has done. I legit had one guy think "So you think we should just lock up Trump and throw away the key for the rest of his life" and I said "Yes, absolutely" and he goes "Why?" and I said "cause he tried to over throw our democracy"
Don't think he was happy with my direct and to the point answer.
You deal with the terrorists (yes I'm calling them terrorists) and their leader (Bolsonaro) as your laws dedicate and dont' use kid gloves.
Also I'm super confident Biden has 0 fucking patience for Bolsonaro and will probably kick him back to Brazil very soon. >

Trump was on tape telling Georgia officials to give him enough votes to win the state, and the justice department is still like "oh man oh geez idk i think we should investigate it maybe?" He was literally committing election fraud and nothing has happened to him. The country is beyond saving. >

On fucking tape. Nixon must be rolling in his grave 
History will judge this injustice >

When Trump dies and meets Nixon in hell, Nixon will be like "you did what? And they didn't do anything to you? How the hell'd you manage that?" >

"Stacked the courts first.  Duh.  Can't get in trouble if you own the guys who's job it is to punish you." >

How did he stack the courts? It was just unfortunate that justices died and he took an opportunity anyone would >

When I come across comments like this it gives me two thoughts.
One, our country is absolutely fucked. And two, I really wish I were able to be this checked out from reality sometimes. 
This is some Patrick Starr level shit >

What should have happened in every town and city Jan 7 in the US. 
Edit: and what 97% of the Republican Members of Congress failed to do EVER >

The left is too busy playing defense all the goddamn time >

I'm sorry the what? Did you just call Democrats the left? Bahaha. The Dems are a center-right party. They are not "the left". >

...what the fuck are you talking about? >

The Democrats are the closest thing to a left-wing party that the US has but they are liberals at best. >

What the fuck does that have to do with anything I said? I never even mentioned Democrats
Is this a bunch of bots? >

If you mean "the left" as a bloc of people with opinions then the idea that we're all playing defense is ridiculous. 
The only people always stuck playing defense are the Democrats. It seemed a fair assumption to make. 
Sorry for making you think I'm a bot I guess. >

Your argument is silly. The dems are the left in the United States. They may not be as far left as you want, but this is also not relevant at all to the conversation. >

Literally have no voice today because of how loud I was shouting "NO AMNESTY!"
I regret absolutely nothing. 
Jail Bolsonaro. >

I’m Brazilian but have lived in the U.S. since I was a kid. 
Where I live I rarely encounter other Brazilians but recently I traveled and was walking down the street and saw a large group of people dressed in Brazilian colors. In the USA, for my whole life, that has meant one thing: Soccer fans!
I was so excited myself about the upcoming World Cup and my face lit up until I got closer and realized what they were: Bolsonaro supporters, rudely blocking the sidewalk, shouting dumb shit at random Americans, making such a scene and behaving so idiotically that now when I see actual Brazilian soccer fans my heart sinks because I’m worried it’s just more right-wing idiots. 
So fuck this guy, him and his idiot supporters have taken something from me, taken something from all of us. >

It's the same with US colors now. They used to mean you were celebrating 4th of July or thought that flag shirt looked nice at the gift shop. Now if you see a crowd of US flag wearing people there's a 90% chance they're also carrying Trump 2024 and anti-abortion signs. >

Those idiots should be locked up and Bolsonaro should be strung up. The U.S. would be better off if that’s how we’d handled the MAGA terrorists on 1/6. >

Looks like supporters of the right only believe elections are fair when they win. If they lose its stolen, their new calling card. If it was left wing supporters storming these government buildings I reckon many many would have been shot in Brazil, or if the left did a January 6 then many more of them would have died. >

I don’t know man when the left long in 2016 the left was claiming mass cheating but the difference between y’all and them is that they decided to attack governmental buildings while politicians were inside >

The left also claimed Russia collusion.
Which was objectively true, people in Trumps campaign have been tried and convicted for their involvement with Russia.  They never got a smoking gun to Trump himself so the right likes to pretend that means the rest of it never happened. >

Collusion is not a legally defined term, so no it's not objectively true. 
It's absolutely something I believe but we can't say it's objectively true. >

Which should indicate I'm talking about the nonlegal concept of the word then.  Trumps campaign colluded with Russia; they took money from and acted in concert with them.  The charges that resulted in are not themselves called "collusion", but the proof presented to make those charges happens is the definition of collusion. >

The charges prove that the campaign benefited from Russian activities, and on a balance of probabilities they almost certainly were working with the Russians, but that has never been proven beyond reasonable doubt. 
Again, I agree with you that this is most likely what happened but we can't claim it's objectively true. >


but that has never been proven beyond reasonable doubt.

That's literally what criminal convictions mean.  What do you think they were convicted of otherwise? >

Nobody that I'm aware of has actually been charged or convicted for anything like "collusion" with Russia. Everyone I'm aware of has been convicted of sundry offences with regard to them obstructing the investigation into the alleged collusion. I'm happy to be proven wrong though. 
So once again while I 100% believe that these people are guilty of working with Russia in a manner that could be described as collusion, we cannot say that it is objectively true that they did so. >

Manafort was convicted of handling the money, just off the top of my head.  There's more to the convictions than obstruction charges. >

Man the US failed on a massive level when we look at the exact same scenarios around the world. Doesn’t matter the subject. This is the newest example. >

DOJ too scared to indict Trump, who is somehow above the law, apparently >

Just a little more context to non-brazilians
Brazil had a US-backed military dictatorship that lasted from 1964 to 1985, in that period, a lot of brazilians that fought the dictatorship were kidnapped, tortured and murdered and had his bodies covered, a lot of them have not been found until now
In the redemocratization process, the military leaders passed an amnesty law, that pretty much forgives all crimes commited by the government, so pretty much all of the dictators, tortures and murderes in the armed forces were never punished by their crimes like happened in our south american brothers (go see Argentina 1985, a really great movie that covers the Argenitinian dictators trial).
So, after the Lula election, the former Brazil president Michel Temer (that couped a legitimally elected Dilma Rousseff) starts claiming for a new amnesty law in orders to reunite the country after the four years of Bolsonaro, since them, "sem anistia" (no amnesty in portuguese) became a popular claim, also seen in Lula inauguration 
A little more context: Bolsonaro, when were just a congressman, in the section that vote the coup against Rousseff dedicated his vote for Carlos Alberto Brilhante Ustra, the guy who tortured Rousseff during the dictatorship, so in locals like r/brasil is now common to be things like "if we have arrested the guy who praise a torturer in congress, none of this would happened" >

Man, America looks really weak in comparison for our handling of our capital riot. >

Especially the public response. You need to start getting organized and protesting. >

The other side shows up with guns and itchy fingers. Then what? We bring our own guns and make it an actual battle? Not disputing your point just saying it would escalate things.
We should have stopped Fox News 20 years ago. Now I'm so frustrated with the 30% of us that are right wing nutjobs that the idea of fighting them sounds appealing... which is exactly what the people distributing the propaganda want.
Feel pretty stuck at this point. I want to talk sense into them but hitting them with a stick would be more effective and satisfying. >

Well roll over then. You guys can’t complain about how things are there and then throw your hands up in the air and do nothing about it. >

Wow such an insightful contribution. >

I already told you go get organized and protest. You made up excuses. >

I have said this since 1/6 happened that Trump will never see any consequences for his actions. The DoJ is too meek and worried about it looking “political” to do anything. The day America starts punishing the rich for their crimes will be the day our country starts the journey back towards being a 1st world country. Prove me wrong >

☝️this comment here >

So much for the far-right antifa claim.  :-)   
The destruction done by the far-right should be prosecuted, as the far-right demonstrated that they have no respect for anything, regardless of political allegiance. >

You know this is brazil, not the US.   
Rioters that bring destruction of property should be persecuted, no matter if they are left-leaning or right-leaning. >

You are aware left and right leaning are not inherently American political terms right..? >

Antifa…. wikipedia even says United States >

Ok wow, Brazil is an unexpected addition to the “countries with more stable democracy than the US” list, but here we are. >

Is it really surprising? >

If you've been following Brazilian politics, yes. >

After four years of Bolsonaro trying to erode our democracy and our institutions I too was joyfully surprised by how energetically Lula and the judiciary power responded to the attacks. >

*Terrorists >

America has at least one good lesson to offer the world:  Prosecute insurrection and treason; don't let the traitors to democracy go unpunished; and certainly don't let the traitors keep their jobs in government. >

Really, from what I see most of the January 6th  crowd got off with either light punishment or nothing?
Seems the US is threading very carefully in relations to these traitors. >

Good! Shit like what happened in Brasilia shouldn’t be tolerated, just like Jan 6 in the US. >

Isn’t this like the 3rd time this century storming the same building has happened? >

Good on Brazil, way to be a  b̶a̶c̶o̶n̶ beacon democracy. The USA could learn a thing or two here on how to handle this kind of thing.
Edit: typo >

now I need a “bacon for democracy” flag >

Sound like the name of a burger from a non American fastfood chain that sells "American" food.
"I'll have 3 Bacon for Democracy and two Freedom Fries please." >

😋 >

Uh yeah it's the only way forward with strong punishment, leadership of coup sharing cells with them, thorough investigation of government to identify and imprison seditionist sympathizers. See in the US we are too weak to do this our politicians too afraid to put the rich and powerful in prison. Our people are too scared to put pressure on the government for results/justice/stability so we are doomed to fail. Don't be like us. >

Every country needs to declare a war on fascism.  This is getting out of hand. >

Not sure if it’s intentional—but all the picture thumbnails of Bolsonaro supporters I have seen over the past day have been in pure green/yellow and draped with the Brazilian flag. And now this thumbnail where I see like two flags and that’s it, hah.
Just a weird coincidence for me I suppose following the trending Reddit articles. >

Bolsonaro was always using ultra-nationalism as a way to convince people that his government was the only solution to prevent "communism". So the fake news and sensationalism followed this trend of "us vs them", and they basically took our country flag as a way to represent their side. They even say quite frequently "our flag will never be red" in this fight against the supposed "communism". And another important thing to consider is that Lula's political party has a white star in a red background as it's flag, and it's origins are from work unionists. >

Wait, are you describing the equivalent of like the elephant for the Republican Party in the US? Or are they promoting a new national flag entirely?
Thanks for the info, didn’t know that. >

There is no new flag, really. They just use our country flag and even the brazilian soccer t-shirt as an symbol, like if they own it. >

Deja vu >

I wish Americans cared that much about the coup attempt that we just had. We got a whole political party that is going to face zero punishment for it, and now they know where their mistakes were, how their plan failed last time, and that when they get a chance to try again, they won't face any consequences if they fail. And you can see they have not backed off of being insane in the slightest little bit. Just listen to MTG anytime she opens her mouth and realize she's still got her job. What do they want to do as soon as they finish their house, speaker fiasco? Why, investigate the DOJ and FBI for investigating their capitol treason, of course. 
So that's where we're at. With one party openly trying to make this a one party state, Americans completely indifferent to it, and those who even so much as investigate the treason now being treated like they did something wrong, as soon as the traitors got just a little bit of power again. Which, in a sane country, would never happen again, because no one who was complicit in that treason would ever be in a position in the government again. >

YAAAAASSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! >

How novel, people who try to overthrow the government are immediately held accountable and the citizens demand it. 
Here in America 2 years later we still have no accountability or justice for “democracy” almost being overthrown. 
There’s literally video of trump getting a mob of his supporters in a frenzy to go commit treason and a literal mountain of evidence and trump, the ring leader, is still not behind bars and several people involved were given what amounts to a slap on the wrist. 
America if fucking dumb. Good for your Brazil. >

Lets just be thankful the Far right are as thick as shite. >

Damn right. Show the world how to deal with fascists. All they want or understand is power, so show them power; that is all they understand. 

no you have to let fascists do whatever they want. 

shut up. &/or listen to yourself. >

É nóis! >

Fucking traitors. >

What kind of country would put violent rioters burning down communities in jail??? >

Great they are doing this
Without normal people who defend democracy theres no democracy
Idk why some people want Bolsonaro in Jail, what he did? >

Incited rebellion and anti-democratic values, sabotaged actions against COVID and delayed getting vaccines, constantly attacked minorities and their rights, hid his corruption with constant 100-year secrecy in personal and official documents, openly idolegized a torturer of the democracy and declared that in the middle of Congress during Dilma's impeachment, used government funds to favor his election and that of his allies, claimed fraud in the elections without any proof, changed the Federal Police leader whenever there was any attempt of investigating him or his family's actions and the list goes on... >

This season is getting good! >

First rule of rev0l ution is to succeed or oyu might as well kill yourself afterwards. >

No amnesty! That's what America needs when it comes to the january6th terrorists. Throw em in jail and let em rot. >

Warms my Heart! >

Yah US politicians... you taking notes? >

Jail for the coward Bolsonero who is hiding in a US hospital right now like the baby boy who started a fight but then left his friends to get beat up. >

I wish the US defended our democracy half as passionately as the Brazilians protect theirs >

That didn’t go exactly as planned,… >

So apparently you can just arrest insurrectionists without letting them just walk away and go home? >

These guys acting just like Trump supports Maga. >

I mean fuck bolsonaro but let’s not pretend lula did anything good for our country. Just as big of a piece of shit tbh >

From what I understand, Lula's tenure brought, among many other things, affordable education, and most importantly, college access to the lower classes. This is what I hear from Brazilian migrants in my region. That alone is a pretty big feat in my book.
Of course corruption was and still is rampant. But that's a culture problem and not solved overnight with a leadership change, and a regime change will trade off rampant corruption for not-so-transparent corruption, and a lot of other problems. >

Don't forget increasing access to culture, removing the country from the hunger map, improving our international relations and greatly reducing deforestion. I don't like Lula and believe there is a lot of fair criticism of him, but let's give credit where credit is due and comparing him to the vermin that Bolsonaro is is completely unjustified. >

This is how democracy dies. 
If you can’t resist the temptation to exact revenge on a political  opponent, you invite tyranny. Democracy requires good losers and good winners.
Edit: For the disbelievers, point out to me all the successful democracies in which the losing presidential candidate is locked up after the election. >

Yeah, that's why you don't turn a blind eye when bad losers start destroying things and calling for civil war.
Democracy only thrives when those that trying to tear it down isn't tolerated. >

If you win an election by less than a point, shit's fishy. >

Is 100 greater than 99? >

When commies win elections only classic commies stuff will happen. >

It's a peaceful protest cmon lol >

Sure, let's also put everyone who torched ministeries and invaded congress in 2017 in jail too right? >

Can someone with a Brazilian’s perspective ELI5 who’s the shitbag and why? I’m getting conflicting info from media and internet searches, some say bolsonaro is a pig, but others say Lula is a ex-con who pulled his posse of crooks out of jail and installed them on government posts, and is now hunting people, throwing them in jail for protesting >

It can be both! >

The key takeaway here is that coddling terrorists does not lead to more stability, but less. >

Tell that to the USA Congress, only the food soldier are getting prosecuted while the top level agitators where promote to be in  charge of the House in Congress. >

I hate food soldiers. >

Try dipping them in runny fried eggs. >

I was at the São Paulo protest. Don't worry world, we got it covered. Bolsonaro will be in jail as soon as the US deports him. >

I am a Brazilian living in the US. I am having a hard time finding good sources to share with the family about the election and something that goes over in details why the election was not stolen etc with the other Bolsanaro shit . Do you happen to have anything you could suggest ? >

Estadão is a Center-right newspaper and did a good piece on it. If they accuse Estadão of being left-leaning, don't even waste time arguing.
In any case, even just plain logic is enough to see that there wasn't any fraud: assuming that PT frauded the elections when Bolsonaro and his minions were in power and very openly using the public machine in their own favor means that it was possible for PT to fraud the election when he won in 2018. If it was possible for PT to fraud the elections they(and any person or entity with their sanity intact) would never have allowed Bolsonaro to be president in the first place. >

Thanks , unfortunately logic isn't enough. I have to have the concrete facts memorized to be able to dispel the lies. I asked them recently if the fact that all the respected media from the other countries are against Bolsanaro and do not think the election was stolen how can the reconcile that with what they are hearing/believing. I was told that it was globalism agenda against the right. >

Your family has been sucked into what I am awkwardly calling the ego chamber. Like an echo chamber, except this is one in which the believer can't let go of the lie, no matter how obvious, because they've tied their own ego to it.
If these people admit they were wrong, and that Bolsonaro just lost, they'll have to admit that they lost (because they've tied themselves emotionally to Bolsonaro), that their movement lost, and that, just maybe, all the borderline fascism they've been rationalizing for four years was just cheap fascism, and no different from its prior, discredited iterations. >

I think you're spot on. I've been noticing for a while now that the trump/Bolsonaro supporters tend to have really low emotional awareness and, well.. maturity. They tend to react on their emotions, and haven't stopped to think logically about things for YEARS now. 
And on top of it all, they're entirely unaware of that reality. They've created this entire framework of "logic" (it's definitely not) in their head to rationalize all the glaring inconsistencies away and prevent them from ever seeing what's going on. 
Tbh I feel genuinely sorry for them most of the time.. but they're making it really hard lol >

I've noticed a trend. The most right-wing ones—the bona fide, self-aware white supremacists and Christian nationalists—are much more likely to admit that Trump is a ghoul, that Green, Boebert, and others in the House are mostly morons or pederasts, and that they support them only because those people are convenient vehicles to achieving their ideological goals.
Meanwhile, the most delusional MAGA types seem to be people, more often women, who retain a core moral compass and empathy for others, but have gone down the rabbit hole. They suffer from massive cognitive dissonance: On the one hand, they've been convinced that America and its children are under attack by "global elites," a nebulous group that now includes anyone who criticizes fascism. On the other hand, it's very hard for them to avoid the fact that the people who lead their movement—Trump, Gaetz, Bannon, Schlapp, Falwell, various insurrectionists—are sexual assailants, violent criminals, and/or serial fraudsters. Trump is a bragging p*ssy-grabber whose party pal was Jeffrey Epstein, the face of the reviled "global elite." 
Many of these MAGA rank and file want to believe they're fighting to protect children and families from a global conspiracy. They are, I think, motivated by decent core values but grossly deluded. So how do they deal with their cognitive dissonance? By shutting out any inconvenient facts and information sources and burrowing further into the rabbit hole, where fellow cultists and opportunists lie to one another to maintain the fiction that their heroes aren't, for instance, a slovenly pedophile real-estate fraudster from Manhattan. >

The false consciousness of being concerned for 'global elites' but voting for billionaires blows my mind.... >

The one that gets me is that my dad believes Trump is a Man of God™ sent by the Laird to guide the country back to Jesus. His literal belief. How he can square that is beyond me, but so is Faith and belief in the supernatural, so its just par for the course, I guess. >

And ironically that "Man of God" has done more damage to the Christian brand than anyone else alive. Entire churches are splitting apart over Trump. As have many families. >

Literally have no voice today because of how loud I was shouting "NO AMNESTY!"
I regret absolutely nothing. 
Jail Bolsonaro. >

I’m Brazilian but have lived in the U.S. since I was a kid. 
Where I live I rarely encounter other Brazilians but recently I traveled and was walking down the street and saw a large group of people dressed in Brazilian colors. In the USA, for my whole life, that has meant one thing: Soccer fans!
I was so excited myself about the upcoming World Cup and my face lit up until I got closer and realized what they were: Bolsonaro supporters, rudely blocking the sidewalk, shouting dumb shit at random Americans, making such a scene and behaving so idiotically that now when I see actual Brazilian soccer fans my heart sinks because I’m worried it’s just more right-wing idiots. 
So fuck this guy, him and his idiot supporters have taken something from me, taken something from all of us. >

It's the same with US colors now. They used to mean you were celebrating 4th of July or thought that flag shirt looked nice at the gift shop. Now if you see a crowd of US flag wearing people there's a 90% chance they're also carrying Trump 2024 and anti-abortion signs. >

Similar up here in Canada. Those Qonvoyers/Clownvoy/Timbit Taliban/Mook Parade folk are always driving around aggressively with unresolvable amounts of Canadian flags out of every orifice.
Thankfully there are very few of them, but excessive flag waving used to be associated with international hockey tournaments.
Jingoism, or excessive nationalism is associated with populism movements though, or at least that's what I remember from school. >

Extreme nationalism is also part of the ideology of fascism. Which these ultra patriotic people are very much trying to display. 
A description of what fascism is for the people in denial >

I always like to recommend this essay by Umberto Eco, who lived through italian fascism. Very approachable and not too long either (~9 pages).
I think it portrays the topic in the beginning more on a personal level and is as such easier to understand for some people. As an introduction it's really fantastic. >

What should have happened in every town and city Jan 7 in the US. 
Edit: and what 97% of the Republican Members of Congress failed to do EVER >

For real can we just do this retroactively? >

I mean we kind of already are doing it retroactively the hard part is figuring out who was there because so many wore masks it takes true patriots to turn them in and it takes a long time to prove they were there before they can be charged >

I think the real problem is no one going after the instigators. Trump and hard right media personalities lied to the base for months about election fraud and Republican officials from local reps to US Congress either stayed silent or actively amplified the message. The foot soldiers need to be punished for sure, but so do the generals. >

Hard to go after them when they didn’t commit any crime unfortunately. Brandenburg v Ohio sets the precedent for these types of cases and it’s a very high standard.
Edit: Here is 18 USC 2102 the law which their actions concern.
Here is also 18 USC 2383 the law on insurrection. Here is Brandenburg the famous Supreme Court case. Here is Yates V U.S.. And here is Hess V Indiana for good measure. >

147 Republican Congresspeople played an active role in a seditious conspiracy to overturn the legal results of a Presidential election... >

Voting against certifying an election isn’t illegal. >

When that vote is a known part of an effort to spur a constitutional crisis with the aim of illegally installing a ruler, it sure is >

Are you seriously suggesting that there are compelled votes in Congress where members can be arrested for voting the “wrong” way? That’s absurd. If it weren’t legal to vote against it they wouldn’t hold the vote in the first place. Your argument is completely constitutionally unsound.
Election certification votes aren’t show votes where you vote yea or go to jail. >

If it can be shown that they were aware of their vote's role in a seditious conspiracy prior to the vote, then they are absolutely criminally accessory to said conspiracy. They are committing a felony and thereby waiving the normal legal protections afforded them when they are conducting legislative business. 
No, you don't get to try at a coup and just walk away when it fails. >

Man, America looks really weak in comparison for our handling of our capital riot. >

Especially the public response. You need to start getting organized and protesting. >

The other side shows up with guns and itchy fingers. Then what? We bring our own guns and make it an actual battle? Not disputing your point just saying it would escalate things.
We should have stopped Fox News 20 years ago. Now I'm so frustrated with the 30% of us that are right wing nutjobs that the idea of fighting them sounds appealing... which is exactly what the people distributing the propaganda want.
Feel pretty stuck at this point. I want to talk sense into them but hitting them with a stick would be more effective and satisfying. >


The other side shows up with guns and itchy fingers. Then what? We bring our own guns and make it an actual battle?

Have to protect your rights somehow. There are leftist organizations that brings firearms to protests and they never have problems, because the opposition, as always, are cowards. You just have to demonstrate you are willing to protect yourself. >

I agree. Just saying it's not as simple as show up and protest.
What if a bunch of armed leftist had been in Kenosha? Could have erupted into an all out gunfight. We're probably already in a civil war, but one massive shootout between both sides at a protest would be the definition of it and would send us spiraling down a violent path we may still be able to avoid.
Everyone thinks they're tough until their 3 year old kid gets blown up at a gas station. It's not going to be just a bunch of guys with beards shooting each other. Our families will suffer greatly. Civil war is uglier than most redditors recognize. That's all I'm saying. >

Looks like supporters of the right only believe elections are fair when they win. If they lose its stolen, their new calling card. If it was left wing supporters storming these government buildings I reckon many many would have been shot in Brazil, or if the left did a January 6 then many more of them would have died. >


If they lose its stolen, their new calling card

Ackshually, they claim it's stolen regardless. But if they win it's stolen because it should be a bigger win/margin, now, if they lose then it was entirely stolen and they should be the ones elected.
The brainwash is so strong they (the masses) can't see the stupidity of that argument. Specially when the party losing was the one in power and actively suppressing votes or other related shenanigans... >

Exactly, when Bolsonaro was elected back in 2018 he still claimed that the elections were fraudulent and he should've won by a larger margin. He also said he had proof, which he obviously never presented. >

I have said this since 1/6 happened that Trump will never see any consequences for his actions. The DoJ is too meek and worried about it looking “political” to do anything. The day America starts punishing the rich for their crimes will be the day our country starts the journey back towards being a 1st world country. Prove me wrong >

Overturn Citizens united. Make sure the patriot act never comes back. These two things would go a long way to restoring America. >

The only valid use of nuclear weapons is nuking the travesty that is qualified immunity. Nuke that shit so hard.
There’s never going to be trust of the police until their crimes are handled properly- like everyone else. Police are civilians. The concept of police internal investigations is morally outrageous. We already have what we need - it’s called jails and courts. >

Ok wow, Brazil is an unexpected addition to the “countries with more stable democracy than the US” list, but here we are. >

Any country where half the population embraces 'ThE biG liE', is a broken democracy. 
Any country where the government, courts and military does it as well, is fucked and about to be destroyed. Rip The US. >

Luckily the courts in the US, other than the supreme one anyway, were still fairly reasonable and didn't let Trump win all those lawsuits. >

He didn't just "not win all"
He "won" 1 federal lawsuit....out of 62...related to the election.
And he lost every single one that alleged fraud. >

Yeah I should've said any rather than all. >

Just a little more context to non-brazilians
Brazil had a US-backed military dictatorship that lasted from 1964 to 1985, in that period, a lot of brazilians that fought the dictatorship were kidnapped, tortured and murdered and had his bodies covered, a lot of them have not been found until now
In the redemocratization process, the military leaders passed an amnesty law, that pretty much forgives all crimes commited by the government, so pretty much all of the dictators, tortures and murderes in the armed forces were never punished by their crimes like happened in our south american brothers (go see Argentina 1985, a really great movie that covers the Argenitinian dictators trial).
So, after the Lula election, the former Brazil president Michel Temer (that couped a legitimally elected Dilma Rousseff) starts claiming for a new amnesty law in orders to reunite the country after the four years of Bolsonaro, since them, "sem anistia" (no amnesty in portuguese) became a popular claim, also seen in Lula inauguration 
A little more context: Bolsonaro, when were just a congressman, in the section that vote the coup against Rousseff dedicated his vote for Carlos Alberto Brilhante Ustra, the guy who tortured Rousseff during the dictatorship, so in locals like r/brasil is now common to be things like "if we have arrested the guy who praise a torturer in congress, none of this would happened" >

Need to make an example out of them or it will happen again. No mercy for treason. >

So much for the far-right antifa claim.  :-)   
The destruction done by the far-right should be prosecuted, as the far-right demonstrated that they have no respect for anything, regardless of political allegiance. >

Man the US failed on a massive level when we look at the exact same scenarios around the world. Doesn’t matter the subject. This is the newest example. >

DOJ too scared to indict Trump, who is somehow above the law, apparently >

No, no, i'm sure the indictments will come RIGHT after midterms! Surely! >

Those idiots should be locked up and Bolsonaro should be strung up. The U.S. would be better off if that’s how we’d handled the MAGA terrorists on 1/6. >

America has at least one good lesson to offer the world:  Prosecute insurrection and treason; don't let the traitors to democracy go unpunished; and certainly don't let the traitors keep their jobs in government. >

Really, from what I see most of the January 6th  crowd got off with either light punishment or nothing?
Seems the US is threading very carefully in relations to these traitors. >

I think that's what they meant, the lesson being "Don't do what we did", the US is an example of what happens when you do not prosecute criminals and politicians supporting them, and thus a lesson to others to do better. >

Too bad Germany already demonstrated that lesson in the 1930s but we refuse to learn from it. >

We did worse than Germany in the 1930s...At least Hitler went to prison >

straight to jail for those fucking scumbag right wing losers. >

Jail for all of them that thought they could violently overthrow government. They are literall national traitors and should be treated like any other force of foreign assaulters. >

The usa should follow suit >

Good! Shit like what happened in Brasilia shouldn’t be tolerated, just like Jan 6 in the US. >

MAGA Americans- “it was just a peaceful protest threat got out of hand” >

The irony over seeing almost the same conspiratorial bs play out and fail. 🤌 >

Funny to think that Bolsanero is the queen of news at Fox News HQ >

Every country needs to declare a war on fascism.  This is getting out of hand. >

It’s truly incredible watching a country that’s constantly looked down on by the US handle some things far better than how we handle shit here. The US is increasingly a fucking joke >

I’m probably too old to see this happen but I do wonder what the world will be like when the U.S. fully embraces fascism and becomes the evil villain of the planet. An evil villain with a massively powerful military and lots of nukes. And extreme right wing fantasies. My bet is those fuckers will destroy all human life on earth. >

this is already how much of the world sees it since vietnam, my man. >

Good on Brazil, way to be a  b̶a̶c̶o̶n̶ beacon democracy. The USA could learn a thing or two here on how to handle this kind of thing.
Edit: typo >

now I need a “bacon for democracy” flag >

Sound like the name of a burger from a non American fastfood chain that sells "American" food.
"I'll have 3 Bacon for Democracy and two Freedom Fries please." >

😋 >

*Terrorists >

Sally, they won't be considered terrorists under Brazilian law, since our definition of terrorism requires xenophobic, racist or religious motivations >

Brazilian terrorism law is less about terrorism and more about crimes against humanity. >

Warms my Heart! >

Should be the same for USA. Put that buffalo head guy in for 25 years >

Interesting that they know this shit is wrong….but we don’t >

Brazil, show the world how the United States should have handled Trump’s attempted coup. >

Happy cake day >

Let’s see Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon tried IN BRAZIL for their roles in fomenting and advising this Jan. 6 carbon copy bullshit. >

Now we’re talkin’. And extradite that shitbag liar santos back to Brazil to serve time, too. >

One thing I don’t understand about this and also Jan 6 is basically what were they expecting? To overthrow the government? That makes no sense because those building just house the government it isn’t the thing itself. 
To me it makes zero sense to storm the seat of government, unless of course the army is the one storming but just regular people? Like what, they’re gonna start running things from there? Passing laws and shit… really baffles me. >


One thing I don’t understand about this and also Jan 6 is basically what were they expecting?

Whatever they were told to expect. Aspirants to dictatorship can't achieve their goals by "gentle" means, so they radicalize a group of core supporters and set them on a collision course with government.
They may realize down the line that it's a lost cause, but it's not like they have the power to stop the clown car they set going - smarter ones try to flee into exile first, and dumb ones ride in the front seat. >

Oh look, a country with a fucking spine.