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  Somebody else mentioned it, but these are terrorist attacks, not vandalism.
context: This is going to become a common problem as copy cats decide this is an easy way to cause havoc. >
  
  It's already a problem. Infrastructure attacks have been on the rise for a while. Expect escalation.
  edit: uncited number removed. >
  
  
  They really, really want to shoot people (see: the beatification of Kyle Rittenhouse) but they can’t
  
  This kid is literally selling a video game called "Kyle Rittenhouse's Turkey Shoot" and that tells you all you need to know about who he is >
  
  Yeah, and in the advertisement he calls on people to play the game and help him fight “the fake news media turkeys”.  Because reporters are all turkeys and are all reporting lies about Republicans…and I have no idea what you should do about that, but play this game where you control Kyle as he shoots turkeys. >
  
  And of course the media will report it as a "both sides" issue and refuse to acknowledge the fact that one of those sides is literally fantasizing about murdering them. >
  
  Media can only run the stories their billionaire owners will allow them to run. Go listen to NPR if you want principled journalism. >
  
  Please. NPR utterly failed the challenge Trump presented to them, and went right on reporting the news as though everything was normal, “both sides-ing” their way straight to hell. They acted like cowards. I stopped donating to my local affiliate in 2017 and by 2018 had stopped listening entirely. 
  Steve Inskeep, in particular, can get fucked. Mealy-mouthed little shit. >
  
  I listened to NPR for years. I’d say it was one of the reasons I learned about media literacy. Ironically, those same lessons in critical thinking led me away from NPR, and it was for this exact reason. >
  
  I listen to random articles occasionally but NPR remains my go-to "hourly news" summary. >
  
  All of these dumb cunts should be charged with terrorism. >
  
  Anybody know examples of what happens to those caught doing this kind of thing? Seems very much like domestic terrorism. >
  
  A similar attack just happened in north Carolina. They're pressing terrorism charges. >
  
  against who? the "mysteriously motivated lone wolf group" they still havent found yet? >
  
  wtf. Spray painting a dick and balls on the side of a walmart is vandalism. This is terrorism >
  
  Our Local Sinclair owned media outlet called it “Burglary”. There’s some serious media spin going on for this. >
  
  What are they burglarizing? 
  People's safety and comfort? >
  
  Apparently burglary and vandalism have significant overlap and burglary doesnt require theft. It apparently means breaking and entering a building to commit a crime. The theft doesn’t have to be the crime. 
  I just found this out from a discussion earlier about it.
  I wish they would just call it terrorism. >
  
  Calling these attacks "burglary" is beyond ridiculous. It's equivalent to saying the 9/11 hijackers "burgled" the twin towers because they broke and entered the building and committed a crime.
  Using that term is nothing but white washing right wing terrorism. >
  
  What's the difference between "vandalized" and "intentionally attacked"? >
  
  Intentionally attacked is still to harmless. Specifically targeting critical infrastructure like in these cases is basically domestic terrorism >
  
  No argument from me >
  
  Hate to say it but imagine if a camera caught a guy blowing up the power station who has a dark taint or even brown/dark skin….
  Most big media outlets would be screaming terrorism like there is no tomorrow 
  If the perpetrators doesn’t fit the established "bias" then it is somehow not as bad >
  
  What if it were some coordinated attack from a group of individuals who have a religion from somewhere in the Middle East? Would it be an act of terrorism then?
  /s, because you know, it could be some “Christian” who is doing this, and their religion came from that region originally. Whatever the heck it became today is not what Jesus taught. But it’s just double standards; if a dark skinned guy did this for religious reasons, it’s terrorism. >
  
  If it's a white guy, he is a lone wolf, needing psychological help. Most likely driven mad by the woke community that excluded him from their social circles because of his conservative values. His loneliness drove him to extremism. >
  
  Yep, definitely wasn't extremism leading to loneliness.  (Yes, I know that was the point) >
  
  i was affected by this. thank god it wasn’t still freezing outside. waking up to no power on christmas morning was not fun. >
  
  My wishes to you for the best Christmas you could have considering the circumstance. I thought I had a horrible Christmas when the heating element in the stove went out. >
  
  Dollar stores have 50 cameras on the ceiling and behind mirrors.
  Power substations, a critical part of electrical infrastructure, and there's no security at all other than a Master lock on the gate. >
  
  I mean if you are gonna sit off to the side and just shoot a rifle into a substation then really nothing is gonna help short of a force field.. Like what is even the purpose of this? Killing power for a wide area is gonna make EVERYONE in that area mad, it doesn't matter your cause because now everyone in that area is directly against your cause.
  Really there is no faster way to get people to turn against you than to shut off their power. >
  
  The first time that your power is knocked out, you are mad at the jerk who knocked out your power. The fourth time, you’re mad at the government for letting it happen. >
  
  Or maybe during the commission of the fourth time, some of those pissed off people from the third time, are sitting in hides waiting for those terrorist to strike a fourth time. >
  
  We have that. Or are supposed to, at least. It's called the police or national guard and we've already paid the bill for them. We need to make them do their job. >
  
  Some of those who destroy power sources..
  Are the same that work forces.. >
  
  Whoever did it should be held liable for every death that occurred.  This is an act of domestic terror. >
  
  legally they can be even a car accident death caused by traffic lights being out can be prosecuted not sure the exact charge >
  
  IANAL but maybe second degree felony murder in Washington state. >
  
  In Oklahoma, that would be felony murder. Infrastructure attacks are a felony, and any death that occurs as the result of a commission of a felony is murder under state law. >
  
  This is called "felony murder" and it applies in WA:
  
  In the state of Washington, the common law felony murder rule is codified at Revised Code of Washington §§ 9A. 32.030(c) and 9A. 32.050(b) >
  
  Attacking infrastructure isn’t vandalism, it’s terrorism. Vandalism is painting graffiti on a bridge not using thermite to melt the support structure. It’s domestic terrorism, flat out. >
  
  If it’s a white person it’s vandalism, if the person is colored it’s terrorism. That’s how the media and country see it. >
  
  I’m a white person in rural, central NC. Pretty sure it was some white redneck bubba that hit the substations here, and I haven’t heard a single person call it vandalism. Only the media is calling it that, and it’s time we ask why. >
  
  Look at the politics of every news ceo in this country. >
  
  Yea but 30,000 email begins to froth at the mouth >
  
  If caught doing this during winter chill months, charges of attempted murder for each family household wouldn’t sound too unreasonable. >
  
  Or when the summer temperature hits 120 degrees. >
  
  I wish the same could be applied to my power utility that purposely turns off power to prevent the grid from blowing and causing fires of mass destruction every year. >
  
  Didn’t all of these power providers receive federal grants to fix the security of these things 20 years ago? >
  
  They put in new locks. >
  
  God damn lock picking lawyer strikes again >
  
  "This is the Lock picking lawyer and what we have here is a Masterlock model 69420 padlock serving as the only means of access control to this critical infrastructure. Unfortunately it's vulnerable to a low skill attack." >
  
  He then proceeded to ask it nicely to open and open it. Then opens it again to prove it's not a fluke.
  "And that concludes my 1 minute 30 second video until next time" >
  
  They should putting these douchebags away for 20 years when they catch em.. especially during the winter. >
  
  Good news! 18usc1366 gives a 20 year sentence.  Life if someone dies >
  
  Has anyone heard of a single arrest being made in connection to any of these attacks so far? Seems surprising that law enforcement is taking something this big so lightly. >
  
  Hopefully some of that $800 billion defense bill is going to protect these substations. >
  
  "vandalized". fuuuck you. >
  
  It's just amazing how fucking stupid people can be. >
  
  "we are all domestic terrorists" >
  
  Media reports should stop saying it was vandalism. It trivializes what was done. It was domestic terrorism. >
  
  Sure would be nice if the DHS started arresting these domestic terrorists. >
  
  Arrest their own boys in blue and all their friends? That's never going to happen. >
  
  Domestic terrorists. That's what they are. >
  
  Damn, russia really did get a whole movement in this country to attack itself. All with the internet. >
  
  Probably, what scares me most right now is how effective AI images and deep fakes are becoming. I wonder if one fake video released at the right time with eh right context can spark the powderkeg. Seems like only a matter of time before it becomes a huge issue. We can barely trust what we see and hear even now. Shits gonna be bananas. >
  
  What's going to be even more detrimental is every right wing politician and media dickbag will just claim any negative video or audio of them is fake, even when it's broadcast live. And their gullible idiot voters will eat it up, while swearing the video of Biden having sex with Michael Jackson is 100% real. >
  
  "Vandalized"?
  It's domestic f-ing terrorism. People could die from this. It's not some punk spray-painting a train it's a major attack on our country's infrastructure. >
  
  Wonder if cheap cameras and drones and cell tracking software exist which could deal with this threat but only a genius could figure that out >
  
  As someone who has spent a lot of time at a lot of different substations. Their is usually absolutely zero security measures in place. Like at all. Anyone with a pair of bolt cutter can open the air switches when the hell they feel like it. >
  
  Stop using the word vandalised, this is domestic terrorism! >
  
  Terrorized not vandalized >
  
  
  … motivated by a range of ideological beliefs …
  
  Now let me guess >
  
  Christian Nationalists? >
  
  yes, the "range of ideological beliefs" is from christian nationalists through to Christian Nationalists. >
  
  How long before they start on bridges and dams? >
  
  Destruction of that level of infrastructure takes more than just  an AR-15. >
  
  A MAGA election denier (initial A.S.) just yesterday on the FBI Facebook page was ranting about a second civil war and that “we the people” are fed up and would be targeting substations soon.
  I dismissed his rant as another crazy conspiracy sheep. 🤔 >
  
  "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
  It is dangerous to ignore seditious rumblings. >
  
  If anyone is watching, it’s the FBI. That person was an idiot to say that on an FBI post if true >
  
  I'd be very surprised if the security services were not monitoring the majority, if not all mainstream social media. No way that wouldn't have been flagged up somewhere.
  Mind you there's so many nut jobs in this world, they probably don't have the resources to round them all up. >
  
  
  ... vandalized ...
  
  What the hell, news media?! >
  
  Terrorism. Should be reclassified as major crimes. And the media is aiding & abetting these crimes with their reporting. It’s disgusting. >
  
  Are we going to continue to call this vandalism?  Seems past that now.  Or is this still normal political discourse. >
  
  Right, it fits the damn definition of it. Why down play their crime as if they are spray painting walls, or keying a car. >
  
  Terrorists don't seem to care that a group of powerline men have to now leave their families and venture out in terrible weather and try to restore this senseless destruction. >
  
  If terrorists were capable of empathy, they probably wouldn’t be terrorists. >
  
  As someone who just had a power outage hit their area due to a storm and then had pipes explode and is waiting on a plumber to come tomorrow or the next day to get water again,
  FU*K THESE A$$HOLES!
  People will be in danger due to this. I hope they are caught and convicted on terrorist activity.
  Edit: for anyone who was wondering, plumber has been here for about 5 hours. We have sprung 3 new leaks in that time as different portions of pipe thawed. My back porch, luckily completely outdoor, is soaked and portions of my attic floor are as well. We are getting close to functional faucets though and at this point I have essentially gotten a refit of my hot water line. Going to insulate that tonight once it is done. >
  
  It’s up to three now. I had just heard of the one by Graham. 
  And even though these articles aren’t saying it, we all know it’s the Y’all Qaedas. So on brand to screw everybody just as long as they feel like they’re winning, no thought process just testosterone and a fragile ego. >
  
  This is what I don't see mentioned in these threads. I read about the first one and thought, "shit, here we go again." It was about 2 hours old at that point.
  Then I read about the second one. It was an hour old, maybe 2 hours after I read about the first. I assumed it was over at that point, either the culprit would give up to protect themselves, or the authorities would provide cover to nearby substations.
  Now I'm reading about the third. Same area. Hoping there are no more. It's still very early on the West Coast. >
  
  Was at my in-laws in Graham this evening for Christmas and the power started flickering around 6:30 and then went out again. Sure enough, we check the local dispatch reports and two more stations had been hit. Whoever is doing this is just going from station to station.
  Thankfully my in-laws had a generator so we could continue our Christmas festivities but what a dick move to do to everyone in the area. Thankfully it was a warm day so hopefully no freezing deaths. >
  
  Vandalized my ass… that’s domestic terrorism. >
  
  It’s not vandalism.  It’s domestic terrorism, wonder what sorry ass group of registered Republicans aka pro Trump terrorists, carried this out. >
  
  Could definitely be. Could also be foreign governments trying to de-stable the United States. We have to find out who the perpetrators are and if it hasn't already been established we need a high level Federal, State and Local task force to investigate. 
  Messing with our national electrical grid is an act of war. >
  
  This is not vandalism, this is terrorism and we need to label it as such >
  
  Vandalism is a very strange way to spell domestic terrorism. >
  
  The weather has killed 34 people according to a Reddit news article and so this number will be going WAY higher now that a group of people with the morals of wank-coconut has vandalised power stations because the best way to make your point is by ensuring vulnerable people die from exposure. >
  
  This is the start of it. Same as in NC, mark my words; fascist militias are to blame. We are in the "no one knows exactly who is targeting our infrastructure!" stage of insurgency. >
  
  The people who do this shit are just so... dumb lmao on that moral alignments chart, they think they're lawful good - crusaders - ha but they're in reality their own new category: dumb evil >
  
  I’d be willing to put money on the fact that one of them went home and found out they fucked up their own substation and now get to freeze to death. These “patriots” up here aren’t too smart. >
  
  So when are they going to take domestic terrorism as a serious threat? >
  
  Wtf? This is some civil war-tier shit happening right now >
  
  The title should read “Domestic Terrorists attack 3 power substations in Washington State” >
  
  They absolutely need to start putting people away for a long time for this shit. This pussy footing around is an awful precedent. The people doing this are terrorists. Period >
  
  That's not vandalism. Destroying critical infrastructure that keeps people alive is terrorism. >
  
  It's vandalism like storming the US Capitol building was an excited group of tourists. >
  
  I bet this is a Sinclair station.
  Edit: just googled. It’s actually Cox Media Group. Disappointing. >
  
  The word is "sabotaged", not vandalized. >
  
  This is going to help push solar and battery installs as well as EV's with V2G & V2H tech. I can't imagine what the rationale was for the terrorists but the end result will be a more stable grid built and localised power storage. >
  
  I know online the trend is “terrorism = crime but really bad or in which I strongly disagree with the outcome” but it’s just seems… worse than vandalism? Like if I tore down the walls at an orphanage with the clear goal of having people freeze that seems like a crime distinct from breaking a shop window or graffitiing a curse word along the turnpike >
  
  It's not vandalism, it's terrorism. >
  
  Not vandalism, they are terrorists >
  
  Definitely time to up the stakes here. If you get caught and tried for crimes such as this then the charges need to be upped to domestic terrorism. I am so tired of us not using this charge. It’s like our government won’t admit that not all terrorism comes from some other country with a different majority religion. Lock these people up for good, brand them as literal traitors to the U.S, and take away all rights and privileges of being a citizen. >
  
  Domestic terrorism, no debate. Straight to prison. That's how this stupid shit ends. >
  
  This is not vandalism.  It is domestic terrorism.
  There need to be 20-life charges for these attacks on America. >
  
  
  The Department of Homeland Security issued a bulletin last month warning that U.S. critical infrastructure could be among the targets of possible attacks by "lone offenders and small groups motivated by a range of ideological beliefs and/or personal grievances."
  
  US still can’t bring itself to say that right wing, conservative terrorists are targeting infrastructure as an escalation of the culture war. >
  
  Ya know 20 years ago, after 9/11, we were afraid of our own shadows. Everything was viewed with suspicion. 
  Today, we have real and frequent attacks on our critical infrastructure and it's brushed off as "burglary" or "vandalism". 
  What the hell is going on? >
  
  When did these Terrorists become Vandals? >
  
  The pod cast " it could happen here" predicted exactly this >
  
  Not vandalized, terrorist attack >
  
  My friend works for the Power company and said they received a call from the Federal Government warning of expected infrastructure attacks in the Pacific NW. She told all the neighbors they should consider getting generators. >
  
  They need to start charging folks who put peoples lives at risk with stronger than vandalism charges. >
  
  Christ knocking out power in this cold a winter? Folks will die from that >
  
  crazy how society is just relying on everyone behaving >
  
  Why does news keep reporting deliberate acts of domestic terrorism as being just some vandalism? >
  
  Feds need to root out the terrorists doing this shit and sooner rather than later.   
  Make examples of them before they start taking out national infrastructure. >
  
  More domestic terrorism. More the country is beginning to list, as it sinks. >
  
  I advise y'all get yourselves a basic solar kit. It's super inexpensive for what you get and it provides some peace of mind in the midst of this bullshit as well as road trips and camping etc
  I've got a super basic solar thing facing the sunrise that keeps a power bank topped off that could last me a week or two if need be.
  Luckily I'm not affected by this super winter like some are. My solar stuff ain't gonna fix much there. >
  
  Why are we calling this vandalism and not sabotage or terrorism? >
  
  Terrorism, that's the right word for this >
  
  just a reminder that the risk of terrorism to the grid centering around substations has been well known for decades. 
  the need to secure them against low tech attacks from weapons or improvised means since 2013 at the latest.
  and most of this type of damage could be averted with sandbags around critical components >
  
  Jfc in the middle of all the shit people are dealing with, truly something the country can do without >
  
  The media needs to quit minimizing these terrorist attacks. >
  
  Somebody else mentioned it, but these are terrorist attacks, not vandalism. >
  
  Don’t let the “near Seattle” part fool you, Pierce County is deep red MAGA/QAnon country, where homeowners bring guns to the door to greet unexpected guests.
  When I saw the headline, my first thought was “got to be Pierce County.” Yep. >
  
  They’re not willing to call it domestic terrorism because they don’t have a suspect? So if I go blow up a couple government buildings and they never find me, it won’t be considered a terrorist attack? >
  
  Genuine question:
  Why
  I mean, terror attacks within the united states have been on the rise for a *while* now
  Shooting in schools, now attacks on power stations
  But genuinely:
  Why
  Why is this happening, why are people doing these things.
  Like, I understand how inequality can drive unrest, how inflation is destroying our buying power, I understand these and how they can lead to unrest
  But I don't understand how this is driving people to cause such massive acts of terror
  I understand how all of what I just described could cause to higher levels of petty crime, higher levels of personal, small scale violent crime
  But this is... this is terrorism
  There's no other word for it, its terrorism
  Is it driven by a sense that technology is a marker of the advancement of our unlivable civilization, thus attacking it is attacking the establishment?
  Is it to derive a sense of power by attacking the powerful?
  Is it the result of ever growing online echo chambers targeting the mentally unwell, directing them towards terrorist action?
  Genuinely, why is this happening >
  
  These "conservatives" sound just like Russia. Don't get your way? Make everyone suffer for it. Terrorists. >
  
  On Christmas Day. What the fuck have we become? >
  
  There’s no “we” about this. They have separated themselves from we. >
  
  Yeah as far as I am concerned most normal people are just Americans. These assholes are the new confederates. Completely opposite values, morals, and worldviews. Incompatible with our society. >
  
  Right-wing terrorism that will only escalate the longer nobody does anything about it. >
  
  These are traitors actively supporting the goals of the enemies of the United States. >
  
  Terrorist attack, not Vandalized. Call it out. >
  
  This seems like ultra nationalist activity considering it's Washington and those assholes enjoy attempting to cause hell. >
  
  Energy infrastructure security is a big deal. Involve the military somehow in defending it IMO. >
  
  NOT cool with the storm about to drop there. >
  
  So we aren't just going to call this what it is? Terrorism. >
  
  Domestic terrorism. Call it what it is. >
  
  Why is it Vandalising and not Domestic terrorist attack? >
  
  Testing the fences. >
  
  How isn't this a terrosim-esqe type of charge? >
  
  vandalized*
  *quite an obvious act of domestic terrorism >
  
  At this point they are poking the bird to see what causes a problem. Poke enough at the same time and it starts a domino effect to where the balance authority can’t adjust fast enough and blackout becomes catastrophic. >
  
  One of the worst winter storms on record and these idiots are out here putting lives in danger because they're upset at counting. >
  
  This is terrorism, not vandalism. >
  
  Is this becoming a thing? (and are they paying attention in Texas where the grid is already fragile?) >
  
  Sabotaged is not equal to vandalizing >
  
  Not vandalized, attacked >
  
  What hostile foreign country needs to declare war on the US when stupid neonazis are willing to shoot out power stations? >
  
  I saw an article earlier that described the attacks as a break in, this one calls it vandalism. It's a targeted attack on the power infrastructure & an attempt to cause harm to a large population, can we just call it what it is? Terrorism >
  
  The questions are these. Were they (whomever they are) trying to cause a cascading blackout that could take down our entire national electrical grid? Was this a trial run? Have we hardened our national grid to prevent several power stations from taking down the entire grid? And who were the perpetrators (NOT vandals - because, let's face it, vandals don't coordinate attacks such as these)? >
  
  This is worse than blocking traffic for people trying to get others to back their ‘cause’. >
  
  Not vandalism. Terrorism. >
  
  I want to see some arrests And serious consequences.   with all the cameras everywhere, this should be done already >
  
  Domestic terrorism lock these people already. >
  
  America has cancer and these are the symptoms. >
  
  Not vandalism. This is a straight up terror attack. >
  
  When are we going to round up these terrorists? >
  
  "vandalized" America is a joke >
  
  They said the Nashville Christmas bomber was a lone wolf with no political motivation... I still believe it was a practice run for something bigger. >
  
  Time to add security cameras and drones to these sites. >
  
  Quick check for drag shows in the area! Wish I was kidding >
  
  Everyone at my job found out that our youngest yard guy is a full on Nazi involved with Patriot Front.
  He was one of the guys arrested in the back of the U-Haul van in Idaho on the way to that gay pride parade.
  He was also involved in the vandalism of the pride memorial in Olympia, WA.
  He has disappeared multiple times since he started working here, always a few days before or right about the same time as certain activities in the Seattle, King County area.
  I am wholely convinced he is actively committing acts of terrorism with his friends, and organizing said events via discord calls that I have frequently overheard him participating in while at work.
  I'll catch him hiding somewhere in a corner talking to his "network director" as they're called apparently.
  He's a creepy mother fucker too. Little to no social awareness, extremely awkward and completely devoid of emotion. We caught him throwing rocks at a squirrel one time. That ended in a screaming match with another coworker.
  These people are fucked in the head, plain and simple. They don't value life, and they're prepared to hurt people to spread their message. >
  
  Terrorism, not vandalism. >
  
  My money is on the fact that they will never catch the terrorists responsible for this. And we all know why. >
  
  I’m telling you, the internet has created a dangerous place for dangerous and mentally unstable people to gather, get inspired, and take part or learn about terrorism. 
  This is a serious issue we’ve yet to call out as a society. History books will be written about this one day! >
  
  With the climate disaster picking up steam, and the warplanes crossing lines, I’m not so sure there will be enough people to read them for long enough to learn from the past while coming together to claw our way to some kind of future. We’ve got the numbers to change all this, but we won’t because we’re too short-lived, selfish, greedy, and complacent. >
  
  CNN is covering this now - with a headline that it's the result of vandalism by "burglars."
  Why is CNN so determined to pretend it's not the fucking obvious? >
  
  I think they are just being careful about the rhetoric. But I agree, they need to say it. Domestic terrorists. >
  
  This isn't ok, however, perhaps its time that power companies began updating - like they've been told for YEARS - instead of skimping to save money, when they're already profitable into the BILLIONS. Corporate greed is a national security threat just as bad as a nuclear missle, its just a missile can't pay off politicians to say the nuke is actually a birthday gift for America and we should all just love it.
  Beyond that, and more importantly, the power grid is outdated and is a national security threat all of it's own - even without domestic terrorists. I'm personally tired of corporations waiting till something is broke enough that Tax Payers have to bail em out on - corporations need to pay for their own upgrades, not the tax payer.
  Government, using National Security for the reason, needs to force power companies to upgrade their grid, power supply, etc without a hand out from the tax payers.
  Yes, attacking our power is stupid - but the frustration has it's merit. >
  
  Facial recognition, license plate, car make and model, cell tower information and no leads? What are we paying the NSA for? >
  
  The whole thing is bad, but what’s the evidence that this was orchestrated by right-wing individuals or groups? >
  
  Anti Americans are fucking over the grid in Texas too >
  
  You are hurting your brothers. It doesn’t make sense >
  
  Nothing they do makes sense to anyone with a brain. >
  
  MAGA terrorists with their new Christmas rifles. >
  
  Can we declare a state of emergency over consistent and escalating domestic terror attacks on critical infrastructure and actually bring the full weight of homeland security and our intelligence community to bare on this problem? >
  
  In bird culture this is considered a dick move. >
  
  I love how when white people do this stuff, they call it "vandalism" instead of "Terrorism". >
  
  "Vandalized"
  Guess Americans can't commit terrorism, people still call the terrorists on Jan 6th "protestors".
  What an absolute joke. >
  
  Republicans if they see an immigrant working: WE NEED A WAR WITH THE COUNTRY THAT SENT THEM HERE.
  Republicans if terrorists they developed are blowing up our country: hides in bushes >
  
  This is going to become a common problem as copy cats decide this is an easy way to cause havoc. >
  
  It's already a problem. Infrastructure attacks have been on the rise for a while. Expect escalation.
  edit: uncited number removed. >
  
  
  They really, really want to shoot people (see: the beatification of Kyle Rittenhouse) but they can’t
  
  This kid is literally selling a video game called "Kyle Rittenhouse's Turkey Shoot" and that tells you all you need to know about who he is >
  
  Yeah, and in the advertisement he calls on people to play the game and help him fight “the fake news media turkeys”.  Because reporters are all turkeys and are all reporting lies about Republicans…and I have no idea what you should do about that, but play this game where you control Kyle as he shoots turkeys. >
  
  And of course the media will report it as a "both sides" issue and refuse to acknowledge the fact that one of those sides is literally fantasizing about murdering them. >
  
  Media can only run the stories their billionaire owners will allow them to run. Go listen to NPR if you want principled journalism. >
  
  Please. NPR utterly failed the challenge Trump presented to them, and went right on reporting the news as though everything was normal, “both sides-ing” their way straight to hell. They acted like cowards. I stopped donating to my local affiliate in 2017 and by 2018 had stopped listening entirely. 
  Steve Inskeep, in particular, can get fucked. Mealy-mouthed little shit. >
  
  I listened to NPR for years. I’d say it was one of the reasons I learned about media literacy. Ironically, those same lessons in critical thinking led me away from NPR, and it was for this exact reason. >
  
  I listen to random articles occasionally but NPR remains my go-to "hourly news" summary. >
  
  All of these dumb cunts should be charged with terrorism. >
  
  Anybody know examples of what happens to those caught doing this kind of thing? Seems very much like domestic terrorism. >
  
  A similar attack just happened in north Carolina. They're pressing terrorism charges. >
  
  against who? the "mysteriously motivated lone wolf group" they still havent found yet? >
  
  wtf. Spray painting a dick and balls on the side of a walmart is vandalism. This is terrorism >
  
  Our Local Sinclair owned media outlet called it “Burglary”. There’s some serious media spin going on for this. >
  
  What are they burglarizing? 
  People's safety and comfort? >
  
  Apparently burglary and vandalism have significant overlap and burglary doesnt require theft. It apparently means breaking and entering a building to commit a crime. The theft doesn’t have to be the crime. 
  I just found this out from a discussion earlier about it.
  I wish they would just call it terrorism. >
  
  Calling these attacks "burglary" is beyond ridiculous. It's equivalent to saying the 9/11 hijackers "burgled" the twin towers because they broke and entered the building and committed a crime.
  Using that term is nothing but white washing right wing terrorism. >
  
  What's the difference between "vandalized" and "intentionally attacked"? >
  
  Intentionally attacked is still to harmless. Specifically targeting critical infrastructure like in these cases is basically domestic terrorism >
  
  No argument from me >
  
  Hate to say it but imagine if a camera caught a guy blowing up the power station who has a dark taint or even brown/dark skin….
  Most big media outlets would be screaming terrorism like there is no tomorrow 
  If the perpetrators doesn’t fit the established "bias" then it is somehow not as bad >
  
  What if it were some coordinated attack from a group of individuals who have a religion from somewhere in the Middle East? Would it be an act of terrorism then?
  /s, because you know, it could be some “Christian” who is doing this, and their religion came from that region originally. Whatever the heck it became today is not what Jesus taught. But it’s just double standards; if a dark skinned guy did this for religious reasons, it’s terrorism. >
  
  If it's a white guy, he is a lone wolf, needing psychological help. Most likely driven mad by the woke community that excluded him from their social circles because of his conservative values. His loneliness drove him to extremism. >
  
  Yep, definitely wasn't extremism leading to loneliness.  (Yes, I know that was the point) >
  
  i was affected by this. thank god it wasn’t still freezing outside. waking up to no power on christmas morning was not fun. >
  
  My wishes to you for the best Christmas you could have considering the circumstance. I thought I had a horrible Christmas when the heating element in the stove went out. >
  
  Dollar stores have 50 cameras on the ceiling and behind mirrors.
  Power substations, a critical part of electrical infrastructure, and there's no security at all other than a Master lock on the gate. >
  
  I mean if you are gonna sit off to the side and just shoot a rifle into a substation then really nothing is gonna help short of a force field.. Like what is even the purpose of this? Killing power for a wide area is gonna make EVERYONE in that area mad, it doesn't matter your cause because now everyone in that area is directly against your cause.
  Really there is no faster way to get people to turn against you than to shut off their power. >
  
  The first time that your power is knocked out, you are mad at the jerk who knocked out your power. The fourth time, you’re mad at the government for letting it happen. >
  
  Or maybe during the commission of the fourth time, some of those pissed off people from the third time, are sitting in hides waiting for those terrorist to strike a fourth time. >
  
  We have that. Or are supposed to, at least. It's called the police or national guard and we've already paid the bill for them. We need to make them do their job. >
  
  Some of those who destroy power sources..
  Are the same that work forces.. >
  
  Whoever did it should be held liable for every death that occurred.  This is an act of domestic terror. >
  
  legally they can be even a car accident death caused by traffic lights being out can be prosecuted not sure the exact charge >
  
  IANAL but maybe second degree felony murder in Washington state. >
  
  In Oklahoma, that would be felony murder. Infrastructure attacks are a felony, and any death that occurs as the result of a commission of a felony is murder under state law. >
  
  This is called "felony murder" and it applies in WA:
  
  In the state of Washington, the common law felony murder rule is codified at Revised Code of Washington §§ 9A. 32.030(c) and 9A. 32.050(b) >
  
  Attacking infrastructure isn’t vandalism, it’s terrorism. Vandalism is painting graffiti on a bridge not using thermite to melt the support structure. It’s domestic terrorism, flat out. >
  
  If it’s a white person it’s vandalism, if the person is colored it’s terrorism. That’s how the media and country see it. >
  
  I’m a white person in rural, central NC. Pretty sure it was some white redneck bubba that hit the substations here, and I haven’t heard a single person call it vandalism. Only the media is calling it that, and it’s time we ask why. >
  
  Look at the politics of every news ceo in this country. >
  
  Yea but 30,000 email begins to froth at the mouth >
  
  If caught doing this during winter chill months, charges of attempted murder for each family household wouldn’t sound too unreasonable. >
  
  Or when the summer temperature hits 120 degrees. >
  
  I wish the same could be applied to my power utility that purposely turns off power to prevent the grid from blowing and causing fires of mass destruction every year. >
  
  Didn’t all of these power providers receive federal grants to fix the security of these things 20 years ago? >
  
  They put in new locks. >
  
  God damn lock picking lawyer strikes again >
  
  "This is the Lock picking lawyer and what we have here is a Masterlock model 69420 padlock serving as the only means of access control to this critical infrastructure. Unfortunately it's vulnerable to a low skill attack." >
  
  He then proceeded to ask it nicely to open and open it. Then opens it again to prove it's not a fluke.
  "And that concludes my 1 minute 30 second video until next time" >
  
  They should putting these douchebags away for 20 years when they catch em.. especially during the winter. >
  
  Good news! 18usc1366 gives a 20 year sentence.  Life if someone dies >
  
  Has anyone heard of a single arrest being made in connection to any of these attacks so far? Seems surprising that law enforcement is taking something this big so lightly. >
  
  Hopefully some of that $800 billion defense bill is going to protect these substations. >
  
  "vandalized". fuuuck you. >
  
  It's just amazing how fucking stupid people can be. >
  
  "we are all domestic terrorists" >
  
  Media reports should stop saying it was vandalism. It trivializes what was done. It was domestic terrorism. >
  
  Sure would be nice if the DHS started arresting these domestic terrorists. >
  
  Arrest their own boys in blue and all their friends? That's never going to happen. >
  
  Domestic terrorists. That's what they are. >
  
  Damn, russia really did get a whole movement in this country to attack itself. All with the internet. >
  
  Probably, what scares me most right now is how effective AI images and deep fakes are becoming. I wonder if one fake video released at the right time with eh right context can spark the powderkeg. Seems like only a matter of time before it becomes a huge issue. We can barely trust what we see and hear even now. Shits gonna be bananas. >
  
  What's going to be even more detrimental is every right wing politician and media dickbag will just claim any negative video or audio of them is fake, even when it's broadcast live. And their gullible idiot voters will eat it up, while swearing the video of Biden having sex with Michael Jackson is 100% real. >
  
  "Vandalized"?
  It's domestic f-ing terrorism. People could die from this. It's not some punk spray-painting a train it's a major attack on our country's infrastructure. >
  
  Wonder if cheap cameras and drones and cell tracking software exist which could deal with this threat but only a genius could figure that out >
  
  As someone who has spent a lot of time at a lot of different substations. Their is usually absolutely zero security measures in place. Like at all. Anyone with a pair of bolt cutter can open the air switches when the hell they feel like it. >
  
  Stop using the word vandalised, this is domestic terrorism! >
  
  Terrorized not vandalized >
  
  
  … motivated by a range of ideological beliefs …
  
  Now let me guess >
  
  Christian Nationalists? >
  
  yes, the "range of ideological beliefs" is from christian nationalists through to Christian Nationalists. >
  
  How long before they start on bridges and dams? >
  
  Destruction of that level of infrastructure takes more than just  an AR-15. >
  
  A MAGA election denier (initial A.S.) just yesterday on the FBI Facebook page was ranting about a second civil war and that “we the people” are fed up and would be targeting substations soon.
  I dismissed his rant as another crazy conspiracy sheep. 🤔 >
  
  "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
  It is dangerous to ignore seditious rumblings. >
  
  If anyone is watching, it’s the FBI. That person was an idiot to say that on an FBI post if true >
  
  I'd be very surprised if the security services were not monitoring the majority, if not all mainstream social media. No way that wouldn't have been flagged up somewhere.
  Mind you there's so many nut jobs in this world, they probably don't have the resources to round them all up. >
  
  
  ... vandalized ...
  
  What the hell, news media?! >
  
  Terrorism. Should be reclassified as major crimes. And the media is aiding & abetting these crimes with their reporting. It’s disgusting. >
  
  Are we going to continue to call this vandalism?  Seems past that now.  Or is this still normal political discourse. >
  
  Right, it fits the damn definition of it. Why down play their crime as if they are spray painting walls, or keying a car. >
  
  Terrorists don't seem to care that a group of powerline men have to now leave their families and venture out in terrible weather and try to restore this senseless destruction. >
  
  If terrorists were capable of empathy, they probably wouldn’t be terrorists. >
  
  As someone who just had a power outage hit their area due to a storm and then had pipes explode and is waiting on a plumber to come tomorrow or the next day to get water again,
  FU*K THESE A$$HOLES!
  People will be in danger due to this. I hope they are caught and convicted on terrorist activity.
  Edit: for anyone who was wondering, plumber has been here for about 5 hours. We have sprung 3 new leaks in that time as different portions of pipe thawed. My back porch, luckily completely outdoor, is soaked and portions of my attic floor are as well. We are getting close to functional faucets though and at this point I have essentially gotten a refit of my hot water line. Going to insulate that tonight once it is done. >
  
  It’s up to three now. I had just heard of the one by Graham. 
  And even though these articles aren’t saying it, we all know it’s the Y’all Qaedas. So on brand to screw everybody just as long as they feel like they’re winning, no thought process just testosterone and a fragile ego. >
  
  This is what I don't see mentioned in these threads. I read about the first one and thought, "shit, here we go again." It was about 2 hours old at that point.
  Then I read about the second one. It was an hour old, maybe 2 hours after I read about the first. I assumed it was over at that point, either the culprit would give up to protect themselves, or the authorities would provide cover to nearby substations.
  Now I'm reading about the third. Same area. Hoping there are no more. It's still very early on the West Coast. >
  
  Was at my in-laws in Graham this evening for Christmas and the power started flickering around 6:30 and then went out again. Sure enough, we check the local dispatch reports and two more stations had been hit. Whoever is doing this is just going from station to station.
  Thankfully my in-laws had a generator so we could continue our Christmas festivities but what a dick move to do to everyone in the area. Thankfully it was a warm day so hopefully no freezing deaths. >
  
  Vandalized my ass… that’s domestic terrorism. >
  
  It’s not vandalism.  It’s domestic terrorism, wonder what sorry ass group of registered Republicans aka pro Trump terrorists, carried this out. >
  
  Could definitely be. Could also be foreign governments trying to de-stable the United States. We have to find out who the perpetrators are and if it hasn't already been established we need a high level Federal, State and Local task force to investigate. 
  Messing with our national electrical grid is an act of war. >
  
  This is not vandalism, this is terrorism and we need to label it as such >
  
  Vandalism is a very strange way to spell domestic terrorism. >
  
  The weather has killed 34 people according to a Reddit news article and so this number will be going WAY higher now that a group of people with the morals of wank-coconut has vandalised power stations because the best way to make your point is by ensuring vulnerable people die from exposure. >
  
  This is the start of it. Same as in NC, mark my words; fascist militias are to blame. We are in the "no one knows exactly who is targeting our infrastructure!" stage of insurgency. >
  
  The people who do this shit are just so... dumb lmao on that moral alignments chart, they think they're lawful good - crusaders - ha but they're in reality their own new category: dumb evil >
  
  I’d be willing to put money on the fact that one of them went home and found out they fucked up their own substation and now get to freeze to death. These “patriots” up here aren’t too smart. >
  
  So when are they going to take domestic terrorism as a serious threat? >
  
  Wtf? This is some civil war-tier shit happening right now >
  
  The title should read “Domestic Terrorists attack 3 power substations in Washington State” >
  
  They absolutely need to start putting people away for a long time for this shit. This pussy footing around is an awful precedent. The people doing this are terrorists. Period >
  
  That's not vandalism. Destroying critical infrastructure that keeps people alive is terrorism. >
  
  It's vandalism like storming the US Capitol building was an excited group of tourists. >
  
  I bet this is a Sinclair station.
  Edit: just googled. It’s actually Cox Media Group. Disappointing. >
  
  The word is "sabotaged", not vandalized. >
  
  This is going to help push solar and battery installs as well as EV's with V2G & V2H tech. I can't imagine what the rationale was for the terrorists but the end result will be a more stable grid built and localised power storage. >
  
  I know online the trend is “terrorism = crime but really bad or in which I strongly disagree with the outcome” but it’s just seems… worse than vandalism? Like if I tore down the walls at an orphanage with the clear goal of having people freeze that seems like a crime distinct from breaking a shop window or graffitiing a curse word along the turnpike >
  
  It's not vandalism, it's terrorism. >
  
  Not vandalism, they are terrorists >
  
  Definitely time to up the stakes here. If you get caught and tried for crimes such as this then the charges need to be upped to domestic terrorism. I am so tired of us not using this charge. It’s like our government won’t admit that not all terrorism comes from some other country with a different majority religion. Lock these people up for good, brand them as literal traitors to the U.S, and take away all rights and privileges of being a citizen. >
  
  Domestic terrorism, no debate. Straight to prison. That's how this stupid shit ends. >
  
  This is not vandalism.  It is domestic terrorism.
  There need to be 20-life charges for these attacks on America. >
  
  
  The Department of Homeland Security issued a bulletin last month warning that U.S. critical infrastructure could be among the targets of possible attacks by "lone offenders and small groups motivated by a range of ideological beliefs and/or personal grievances."
  
  US still can’t bring itself to say that right wing, conservative terrorists are targeting infrastructure as an escalation of the culture war. >
  
  Ya know 20 years ago, after 9/11, we were afraid of our own shadows. Everything was viewed with suspicion. 
  Today, we have real and frequent attacks on our critical infrastructure and it's brushed off as "burglary" or "vandalism". 
  What the hell is going on? >
  
  When did these Terrorists become Vandals? >
  
  The pod cast " it could happen here" predicted exactly this >
  
  Not vandalized, terrorist attack >
  
  My friend works for the Power company and said they received a call from the Federal Government warning of expected infrastructure attacks in the Pacific NW. She told all the neighbors they should consider getting generators. >
  
  They need to start charging folks who put peoples lives at risk with stronger than vandalism charges. >
  
  Christ knocking out power in this cold a winter? Folks will die from that >
  
  crazy how society is just relying on everyone behaving >
  
  Why does news keep reporting deliberate acts of domestic terrorism as being just some vandalism? >
  
  Feds need to root out the terrorists doing this shit and sooner rather than later.   
  Make examples of them before they start taking out national infrastructure. >
  
  More domestic terrorism. More the country is beginning to list, as it sinks. >
  
  I advise y'all get yourselves a basic solar kit. It's super inexpensive for what you get and it provides some peace of mind in the midst of this bullshit as well as road trips and camping etc
  I've got a super basic solar thing facing the sunrise that keeps a power bank topped off that could last me a week or two if need be.
  Luckily I'm not affected by this super winter like some are. My solar stuff ain't gonna fix much there. >
  
  Why are we calling this vandalism and not sabotage or terrorism? >
  
  Terrorism, that's the right word for this >
  
  just a reminder that the risk of terrorism to the grid centering around substations has been well known for decades. 
  the need to secure them against low tech attacks from weapons or improvised means since 2013 at the latest.
  and most of this type of damage could be averted with sandbags around critical components >
  
  Jfc in the middle of all the shit people are dealing with, truly something the country can do without >
  
  The media needs to quit minimizing these terrorist attacks.