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  Yeah and it achieves nothing. Only the added risk of your boyfriend / son / younger brother dying for nothing because government has a 2yo + indoctrination programme mandated for males .
context: I don't mind compulsory military service, in Greece it's also one year. What I do mind is when you spend 97% of your time doing jack shit and 3% of your time actually training and whatnot. I'd rather have 4 months of more intense military boot camp than a year of looking at the ceiling and considering moving to the Netherlands. >
  
  Most conscript militaries lack in terms of doctrine, not duration. 
   When most of the time is spent on indoctrination and doing regimental shit, with little focus on practicality, theres no point in lengthening the term of service, just a waste of time >
  
  I always wondered why the duration foe some conscripts militaries was so short. 1 year to 18 months seems reasonable...4 months shockingly short >
  
  4 months honestly is good enough if its just condensed into practical things like phyiscal training,  marksmanship with only essential fieldcraft like first aid. 
  To me, the ideal conscript is something like the average gun tuber. But most countries who use conscription implement it as a form of indoctrination,  not for actual fighting soo >
  
  I guess that makes sense. I can only relate it to my US Army basic training.....24 years ago....fuck om getting old. But that was at the infantry school so it seemed pretty intense to teenage me >
  
  Of course, the strength of the US military lies in its doctrine. Every army has the fair share of BS regimentation and indoctrination, but at least in US troops do get significantly more range time and phyiscal training. >
  
  The one time I got to train with non Americans...
  And this was in 2000 mind you....it was with Germans back when they still had conscripts... at that time we did have better training ths. The guys we Bundesweher guys we worked with. >
  
  I spent 2 weeks in high school in Taiwan as a part of a foreign exchange program. This seems like a natural step since their schools have many militaristic elements. For all school assemblies the school I visited would line up in columns carrying flags like you would see in the military. The school also had a member of the military on staff and seemed to lead a pretty intense ROTC program. The military was also fairly visible and everywhere because they were on edge. This was all in 2019 I imagine this has all gotten more intense since then >
  
  Military officers were stationed at Taiwan's schools due to historical reasons.
  Taiwan was under 38 years of martial law, and under autocratic rule, a police state. In order to ensure proper state indoctrination, military officers were installed in schools, and they kept an eye out for dissenting teachers and students.
  The Taiwanese game "Detention" is set in that background, telling a story of state oppression mixed with Taiwanese folklore elements.
  After the end of martial law and democratization, the military officers in general gradually became more of an guardian father figure to students, often taking care of the more troublesome kids who got in trouble out of school, sometimes paying out of their pocket in emergencies to help students, so they remained part of the education system until very recently.
  Now they have stopped deploying new officers to shools, but existing officers will serve in their existing schools until they retire. >
  
  School-stationed military officer. Kind of like an extra step above your usual dean in terms of intimidation factor. Though in actuality the dean was usually the one dragging problem students by the neck into staff offices for disciplinary actions as opposed to the officers. Guess the uniforms are intimidating enough as a deterrent. The officers are also responsible for leading courses on military training stuff. I was in a junior high school that shared a campus with a senior high and occasionally you’d see senior high students training with formation, how to hold or aim a dummy rifle and stuff. Iirc it’s mandatory military training once a week for senior high students. >
  
  Damn, that's pretty short. My compulsory service was only 2 years and 8 months, and I got slack from the older guys that it's "nothing" because they did 3 years. >
  
  Lol this reminds me of my second day in the army. I felt experienced compared to the guys that just arrived that morning because I had a few more hours of experience. >
  
  I always think policies like this one are inherently chickenhawkish.
  Literally half the people who vote on this shit don't feel its impact directly.
  If they're actually serious about this being a national security measure, then extend compulsory military service to women.  Why are we pretending that there isn't a role for women in defending your nation against invasion in modern warfare? >
  
  Men are expendable, women are not.
  Yet women are oppressed by men.
  Feminists want equality, but not that kind of equality. >
  
  For all the bullshit your spewing, mind sourcing where women are against female conscription? Because I have no seen zero evidence of that. >
  
  They actually make sound arguments here. >
  
  OK, so you would be for making it mandatory for women that are not pregnant, with a free pass if they get pregnant while serving? >
  
  Obviously eligibility for women should be far different than men. >
  
  Are there any circumstances where you would support women equally participate in the military? >
  
  No, unless the enemy was looking to exterminate the entire human race. >
  
  It seems fairly common that women suffer casualties in war. Although obviously not to the same extent. 
  You seem to have a pattern of being against women's rights, unless the specific right would benefit women. >
  
  I’d have hated losing a year of my life to that crap >
  
  Conscription works better with less industrialized societies, from a physical standpoint. Many nations simply don’t have a population that is fit enough to do much fighting. If physical fitness were prioritized in school, it would go a long way. You can teach weapons handling and basic battle drills and formations, but you have to have some reasonable level of fitness to do it effectively. 
  Even the U.S. military is struggling to fill its ranks with young, able bodied, soldiers. It’s going to be harder, as time goes on, to make soldiers of citizens. I am not commenting on the morality of conscription, rather the practical aspects of doing so effectively. >
  
  Practically speaking, conscription is bad for economic growth and mobility. Its why many countries with such policies have reduced how the service is done (IE you basically have a job in the military and can go home at the end of the day)
  Peace is a great thing. >
  
  I agree wholeheartedly. I don’t think it solves for anything useful. My point was, whether I expressed it well or not, that conscription will become increasingly irrelevant as time marches forward. It simply doesn’t work and, as you mentioned, has negative effects on society at large. >
  
  That sounds fair.  4 Months seems really short? How long is South Korea's? >
  
  Yeah they were initially trying to transition to an all volunteer force, but their reversing after China's recently hostilities. >
  
  Also the situation with NK has deteriorated substantially. >
  
  With Taiwan? Isn't it a couple of thousand klicks away? >
  
  We used to think things like this would fade into the past, but... from Taiwan to Sweden to many other Countries, it looks like children will have to be much more aware of war than their parents... >
  
  Can't even begin to imagine the international outrage if this included women >
  
  You should really post better evidences when just casual google or reddit will show the stances from feminists are at best divided. And don't pulling a no-true-feminist. >
  
  It takes four months or more of training just to become operationally proficient…what could they have possibly expected out or such a short service period other than cannon fodder? One or more years of service makes much more sense. >
  
  They were initially trying to transition to an all volunteer force, but their reversing after China's recently hostilities. >
  
  It’ll be just as useless if they don’t improve the quality of the training. 1 year, 2 years or 5 years doesn’t matter if you aren’t trained properly. And the fact that only men getting conscripted and not women, shows that Taiwan is not as advanced of a democracy as they claim >
  
  Most countries don't conscript women, so I'm not sure why it is relevant to measuring democracy. Off the top of my head, North Korea and Israel conscript women and they're not the pinnacle of democracy, are they? Only others I can think of are some Scandinavian countries and possibly some desperate African ones who need the numbers. Otherwise, most of Europe, the Americas, Asia and probably Africa only conscript men. >
  
  For me it's not democratic if women don't have to serve and still can vote. It doesn't make sense. They should serve too. >
  
  what about the men who dont quality for conscription, should they be allowed to vote? >
  
  I don't know but I think that men like these in Switzerland are forced to pay additional, quite large, taxes for the rest of their life. It's unfair of course but nobody cares as it doesn't do harm to women. >
  
  Would you consider that sort of tax applicable or practical in most countries? >
  
  Given how China is really ramping up their posturing in the region, I think that this is more than reasonable, even if I am fairly against compulsory military service in general. >
  
  When the Nazis of the 21st century keep promising to invade you, it's probably a good idea to beef up your military. >
  
  Slavery is on the rise. >
  
  The four months was the best government can afford.  Budget got blocked by opposition party politicians. Youngesters hoping career soldiers will do the fighting from an all volunteer army which was proven not adequate.  More and more women pick up guns these days while men prefer blogging and Tiktok. >
  
  I don't see Taiwanese feminists shrieking equality in this matter? >
  
  As an American, it is easier to support defending Taiwan in the event of an invasion when they take important steps like this to help themselves. >
  
  As an American, your taxes will go towards funding corporate interests regardless of what you want and don’t want >
  
  Lmao other countries with less severe security threats have longer compulsory military service requirements. On top of that women in Taiwan are still exempt from compulsory military service for some weird reason? Women are exempt from conscription in South Korea and Thailand because they're not in danger of being annexed by a superpower. Imo the US should trade Taiwan for better relations with China. >
  
  I think the United States needs this too. Some sort of compulsory service to our country. >
  
  It costs 70k on average to train a soldier. 
  That investment only lasts while the soldier is in uniform...so you want to throw out 70k per X many troops every year in the revolving door of a conscript military?
  Danger: soldiering even in peacetime is a dangerous profession. People need to earn skills and pay attention while doing them. People who do not have the buy in, because they're forced, will get other people killed and maimed. 
  Law of average: you get the best and brightest.. but also the dumbasses who couldn't get in now. The military is able to be selective...and they have enough illiterate thudfucks already. Now decrease the ability to weed out those who really shouldn't be there. 
  I've made a few good points to explain why conscript armies are a bad idea, even without going into morality or efficiency of the system.. >
  
  compulsory military service - wtf is that?  they make everyone do a 4 month program? >
  
  Yes. Compulsory service is believe it or not actually very common around the world. Unless they’ve got a good reason, a lot of people do a short stint in their nations respective armed forces. >
  
  some countrys have very long service, not unusual to do nearly two years in Singapore. >
  
  Here in Singapore, we do approximately 2 years of service and around 10 cycles of reservist training yearly after the 2 years(1 week to 1 month)for all males here. Not all go into the military, some become police and others firemen/paramedics.