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  Am I naive for believing Hugh Jackman when he said he never used them? He always looked pretty natural to me.
context: Lol. Try getting Hollywood just to list who’s had a nose job. Good luck. >
  
  This was my thought exactly. Like put a list at the end of every film and tv series stating body modifications and supplements, gym routines, makeup and skin care routines.
  We want to know exactly who and what we are dealing with. >
  
  The movie, fashion, and workout industries would crumble. The entire marketing industry would explode and leave craters. >
  
  You're not privy to other's personal lives. Unless they're in a position of authority, >
  
  This is relevant to this conversation, how? >
  
  Or maybe people should stop idolising them so much. >
  
  People have idolized others since the dawn of time, I don’t think it’s going to change anytime soon. So while I don’t disagree, this suggestion won’t help solve anything. >
  
  Neither will yours. Required by who, exactly. And what purpose would it serve, anyway? >
  
  The rock definitely uses roids but Hugh jackman admitted about the 36 hour dehydration fast he did before any shirtless scenes or photos. He admitted it was unhealthy and it wasn’t good for the body. Hugh Jackman has always been candid about those things. Anyone working out every day with a specific diet and then fasts for 3 days would have a shit ton of muscle definition. >
  
  100% agree, people who use should be 100% honest about it as if they're not it sets an unreasistic expection for natural people trying to achieve muscle gain. >
  
  If they admit it, it can be seen as an endorsement. 
  It’s a lose/lose for them. >
  
  Nah, how about: it’s none of people’s business. Just because someone is a celebrity doesn’t give anyone any right to violate their privacy.
  Angry upvote. >
  
  If you want to be private about it then don’t tell people you’re natural either, keep it ambiguous. It’s the open lie that’s the problem. This is very damaging to young men’s body image. >
  
  whaaaaaat?? 
  so you wanna legislate to save stupid people from themselves by forcing actors to disclose personal medical information to the world? we should saddle actors with a duty of care to strangers? 
  what else should we do to prevent halfwits from halfwitting? >
  
  about a month ago I held the same idea. But part of my job is to self reflect and more importantly look at society from a holistic approach. It’s too early in the morning for me to deep dive, but yes we should “saddle” actors with the responsibility of educating the same people they’re profiting from. >
  
  
  Up until recently I truly didn’t give a shit if a celebrity was on steroids and didn’t think it mattered at all.    
  That was until The Rock/Hugh Jackmen. Apparently there are people in the world that truly believe the fucking Rock is natural… What are these people smoking? 
  
  So you now believe that using steroids is wrong, because some people think that the Rock is not on steroids? >
  
  I never once said using steroids is wrong. >
  
  So why is one persons inability to know something a requirement for the actor to disclose what is essentially medical information? >
  
  Because pretending your natural while using steroids is wrong. It’s called being a fake, a phony, a fraud. People who use steroids without disclosing them are pathetic, even worse when they claim to be natural like the rock. >
  
  Sure - I don't disagree.  
  But why legally require someone to not be pathetic? >
  
  Because it has terrible effects on society. Body image issues are already a huge problem amongst the population. Then you get copy cats who don’t have professional doctors dosing out their steroids. If you can’t see the recklessness of that then I believe you are being willfully ignorant. >
  
  
  Then you get copy cats who don’t have professional doctors dosing out their steroids
  
  Thats already illegal - so what changes?  
  Here is an example - Chadwick Boseman likely had to take medication to stay as healthy as he did during Black Panther, because of his cancer. Steroids are applicable during cancer treatments. So was it reckless for him not to tell us?  
  Societys body issues go well beyond The Rock not being open about his PED usage. >
  
  If he’s taking steroids it needs to be disclosed. His reasons for WHY will always be speculated. That is my firm opinion on the matter. Yes it was reckless of him. If you’re dying of cancer and don’t want the world to know, get out of the spot light. These actors have a certain level of narcism and honestly they need it to survive the profession. Doesn’t mean I feel bad for them, they made their choices. >
  
  And to continue following through with that. The Rock comes out tomorrow and says "Yes I take steroids". People continue to buy and use steroids.  
  How has society benefitted? >
  
  Because it’s not a zero sum game. People still smoke cigarettes why should we put label warnings on the boxes. Giving people information to make informed decisions usually leads to better outcomes. Again you are just being willfully ignorant and it’s hard to have a discussion with someone who isn’t intellectually  honest. >
  
  A lot of these guys use CGI to enhance their physiques now anyway. 
  Like Hemsworth in Love and Thunder. >
  
  True, I didn’t think of CGI use. Looking back, that scene in Love and Thunder where Zeus flicks away Thor’s clothes might have been CGI enhanced. At least with Hemsworth he has a fitness app that he is on regularly where he looks normal vs his movie portrayals. >
  
  It is. They even enhanced Portman a little. >
  
  They’re not legal everywhere that’s the issue. Normally I’m fine if people use steroids but when people like Chris Hemsworth sell their app and programs trying to make people believe they can look like him then it’s just scummy. 
  I can understand when studios don’t want their actors to be open about it as it might be met with backlash that might negatively impact the movie. But if the actors themselves try to make money off it fuck them >
  
  All of them…. All looking like gods are all on some doctors formula >
  
  They could use that for advertising in the credits.
  "Mr. Johnson's steroids supplied by: Pfizer Inc."
  "Mrs Johanson's weight loss supplements supplied by: Bayer AG" >
  
  I. Think people should be aware that Hollywood movie stars are probably on roids and that they have access to full time instructors, dieticians, trainers etc.  time and facilities etc. It is very easy to get in shape if you're under 40 and have time and resources.
  They also pump up before topless shots and even dehydrate themselves.   The entire thing isn't realistic.  Common Sense should tell you this, but I suppose there are kids who might develop complexes if they think Hollywood superheroes are normal. >
  
  I agree, but it will never happen. Terrible for the body image of young people. >
  
  Isn’t an actors job to pretend to be something they are not? >
  
  Nah. If you're gullible enough to believe these people are natural that's your problem. I still don't give a shit. >
  
  The credits would be double the length, although bit of given it's all fake.
  Be happy in your own skin, however it is. >
  
  Am I naive for believing Hugh Jackman when he said he never used them? He always looked pretty natural to me. >
  
  But dont you think it would be detrimental to people ? Think about it, if tomorrow people k ow this kind of things the consumption of this drug would skyrocket dont you think ? 
  This cant be good. >
  
  The Rock would like to have a talk with you. >
  
  if they're not making money trying to sell something like all natural supplements "that they used to get big!" it does not matter. *cough* Liver King *Cough cough* >
  
  I love it when it wrecks their facial structure like Helmsworth and the asian guy from The Eternals. >
  
  The guy from HighSchool musical too, but he claimed it was an accident and needed reconstruction surgery. >
  
  I would posit that it’s more harmful to tell people “this standard of muscle tone is possible only through steroid use” and potentially have them use those drugs than it is to tell them “this standard of muscle tone is possible naturally” and have them struggle to achieve it naturally >
  
  This is great. My only argument would be this… I don’t think Hugh Jackman has ever denied steroid use. The Rock has.. on multiple occasions. That’s what really bothers me is that he lets people think he’s natural and profits off of it.  If you dodge the question, I get it, they’re trying to make a living.. If you straight deny it (looking at you liver king). That’s where it becomes a problem (imo). 
  I would also argue that it still requires hard work and dedication to get a physique like that, even with PED use. >
  
  Hugh Jackman denies steroid use
  Personally, I’m inclined to believe him. He doesn’t have the weird facial changes and he was never super bulky. He was just shredded. Which was probably due to him dehydrating. Which is not a great thing to do. 
  The Rock in the other hand is a walking pharmacy. >
  
  Thanks for digging that up.. I do agree that Jackman’s physique is more believable (he’s still impressive and better than I could ever attain (even with PEDs)). I would hate for it to come out that Jackman is lying, but certainly more believable. >
  
  Just because someone doesn't understand steroid usage doesn't mean Celebrities should have to disclose their private medical history.
  What next? Anyone who got a nose job should roam around with a placard so people don't think that's their natural nose? >
  
  Yes. Ppl should be open about what they do, not a difficult concept to grasp lol >
  
  
  Ppl should be open about what they do
  
  No they don't have to. It's personal choice. You're not privy to other's personal lives. Unless they're in a position of authority, they can project themselves however they want. >
  
  Correct they don’t have to. But if you make a living selling supplements programs etc based off your image a little transparency would be nice. >
  
  What an odd thing to need to know. 1. Who gives a shit 2. When you see a shredded 50yr old, its roids. 3. Who gives a shit >
  
  
  
  When you see a shredded 50yr old, it’s roids
  
  
  Might want to look at the comments, people here think Jackmen was natural when he was 48 playing a buffed up Wolverine. >
  
  Lol. Try getting Hollywood just to list who’s had a nose job. Good luck. >
  
  This was my thought exactly. Like put a list at the end of every film and tv series stating body modifications and supplements, gym routines, makeup and skin care routines.
  We want to know exactly who and what we are dealing with. >
  
  The movie, fashion, and workout industries would crumble. The entire marketing industry would explode and leave craters. >
  
  You're not privy to other's personal lives. Unless they're in a position of authority, >
  
  This is relevant to this conversation, how? >
  
  Or maybe people should stop idolising them so much. >
  
  People have idolized others since the dawn of time, I don’t think it’s going to change anytime soon. So while I don’t disagree, this suggestion won’t help solve anything. >
  
  Neither will yours. Required by who, exactly. And what purpose would it serve, anyway? >
  
  100% agree, people who use should be 100% honest about it as if they're not it sets an unreasistic expection for natural people trying to achieve muscle gain. >
  
  If they admit it, it can be seen as an endorsement. 
  It’s a lose/lose for them. >
  
  The rock definitely uses roids but Hugh jackman admitted about the 36 hour dehydration fast he did before any shirtless scenes or photos. He admitted it was unhealthy and it wasn’t good for the body. Hugh Jackman has always been candid about those things. Anyone working out every day with a specific diet and then fasts for 3 days would have a shit ton of muscle definition. >
  
  🤔 >
  
  Nah, how about: it’s none of people’s business. Just because someone is a celebrity doesn’t give anyone any right to violate their privacy.
  Angry upvote. >
  
  If you want to be private about it then don’t tell people you’re natural either, keep it ambiguous. It’s the open lie that’s the problem. This is very damaging to young men’s body image. >
  
  whaaaaaat?? 
  so you wanna legislate to save stupid people from themselves by forcing actors to disclose personal medical information to the world? we should saddle actors with a duty of care to strangers? 
  what else should we do to prevent halfwits from halfwitting? >
  
  about a month ago I held the same idea. But part of my job is to self reflect and more importantly look at society from a holistic approach. It’s too early in the morning for me to deep dive, but yes we should “saddle” actors with the responsibility of educating the same people they’re profiting from. >
  
  This is great. My only argument would be this… I don’t think Hugh Jackman has ever denied steroid use. The Rock has.. on multiple occasions. That’s what really bothers me is that he lets people think he’s natural and profits off of it.  If you dodge the question, I get it, they’re trying to make a living.. If you straight deny it (looking at you liver king). That’s where it becomes a problem (imo). 
  I would also argue that it still requires hard work and dedication to get a physique like that, even with PED use. >
  
  Hugh Jackman denies steroid use
  Personally, I’m inclined to believe him. He doesn’t have the weird facial changes and he was never super bulky. He was just shredded. Which was probably due to him dehydrating. Which is not a great thing to do. 
  The Rock in the other hand is a walking pharmacy. >
  
  Thanks for digging that up.. I do agree that Jackman’s physique is more believable (he’s still impressive and better than I could ever attain (even with PEDs)). I would hate for it to come out that Jackman is lying, but certainly more believable. >
  
  
  Up until recently I truly didn’t give a shit if a celebrity was on steroids and didn’t think it mattered at all.    
  That was until The Rock/Hugh Jackmen. Apparently there are people in the world that truly believe the fucking Rock is natural… What are these people smoking? 
  
  So you now believe that using steroids is wrong, because some people think that the Rock is not on steroids? >
  
  I never once said using steroids is wrong. >
  
  So why is one persons inability to know something a requirement for the actor to disclose what is essentially medical information? >
  
  Because pretending your natural while using steroids is wrong. It’s called being a fake, a phony, a fraud. People who use steroids without disclosing them are pathetic, even worse when they claim to be natural like the rock. >
  
  Sure - I don't disagree.  
  But why legally require someone to not be pathetic? >
  
  Because it has terrible effects on society. Body image issues are already a huge problem amongst the population. Then you get copy cats who don’t have professional doctors dosing out their steroids. If you can’t see the recklessness of that then I believe you are being willfully ignorant. >
  
  
  Then you get copy cats who don’t have professional doctors dosing out their steroids
  
  Thats already illegal - so what changes?  
  Here is an example - Chadwick Boseman likely had to take medication to stay as healthy as he did during Black Panther, because of his cancer. Steroids are applicable during cancer treatments. So was it reckless for him not to tell us?  
  Societys body issues go well beyond The Rock not being open about his PED usage. >
  
  If he’s taking steroids it needs to be disclosed. His reasons for WHY will always be speculated. That is my firm opinion on the matter. Yes it was reckless of him. If you’re dying of cancer and don’t want the world to know, get out of the spot light. These actors have a certain level of narcism and honestly they need it to survive the profession. Doesn’t mean I feel bad for them, they made their choices. >
  
  And to continue following through with that. The Rock comes out tomorrow and says "Yes I take steroids". People continue to buy and use steroids.  
  How has society benefitted? >
  
  Because it’s not a zero sum game. People still smoke cigarettes why should we put label warnings on the boxes. Giving people information to make informed decisions usually leads to better outcomes. Again you are just being willfully ignorant and it’s hard to have a discussion with someone who isn’t intellectually  honest. >
  
  A lot of these guys use CGI to enhance their physiques now anyway. 
  Like Hemsworth in Love and Thunder. >
  
  True, I didn’t think of CGI use. Looking back, that scene in Love and Thunder where Zeus flicks away Thor’s clothes might have been CGI enhanced. At least with Hemsworth he has a fitness app that he is on regularly where he looks normal vs his movie portrayals. >
  
  It is. They even enhanced Portman a little. >
  
  They’re not legal everywhere that’s the issue. Normally I’m fine if people use steroids but when people like Chris Hemsworth sell their app and programs trying to make people believe they can look like him then it’s just scummy. 
  I can understand when studios don’t want their actors to be open about it as it might be met with backlash that might negatively impact the movie. But if the actors themselves try to make money off it fuck them >
  
  All of them…. All looking like gods are all on some doctors formula >
  
  They could use that for advertising in the credits.
  "Mr. Johnson's steroids supplied by: Pfizer Inc."
  "Mrs Johanson's weight loss supplements supplied by: Bayer AG" >
  
  I. Think people should be aware that Hollywood movie stars are probably on roids and that they have access to full time instructors, dieticians, trainers etc.  time and facilities etc. It is very easy to get in shape if you're under 40 and have time and resources.
  They also pump up before topless shots and even dehydrate themselves.   The entire thing isn't realistic.  Common Sense should tell you this, but I suppose there are kids who might develop complexes if they think Hollywood superheroes are normal. >
  
  I agree, but it will never happen. Terrible for the body image of young people. >
  
  Isn’t an actors job to pretend to be something they are not? >
  
  Nah. If you're gullible enough to believe these people are natural that's your problem. I still don't give a shit. >
  
  The credits would be double the length, although bit of given it's all fake.
  Be happy in your own skin, however it is.