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  Ok, so only assholes do wow. I used the phrase people that you're using.
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  "work on improving yourself and being a better person"
  I have no idea how someone could meet those standards
  
  The standards in this rant are not that high. It asks men to have some self improvement (which all people should), and asks them to be respectful. This isnt a high standard. This is the bare minimum (again. Regardless of gender, I wouldnt date a truly disrespectful woman either)
  It doesnt even mention being good looking like what you talk about. I wont pretend being attractive isnt better for someone looking to date regardless of gender, but the actual rant makes no mention of men needing to be a certain appearance or attractiveness. >
  
  "You need to actually add something positive to our life otherwise we'd rather just be without a man"
  This is the overwhelming part, considering women make more and already have companionship, what do I add to a woman's life? >
  
  Do you have hobbies you can introduce her to? Talents? A cool idea that requires two people to perform?
  Adding something positive to a partners life doesnt need to be some world shaking difference. Literally just adding 'warm hugs' is something some people might want, on top of the extra partnership benefits like sharing housework, more income, etc. >
  
  
  Do you have hobbies you can introduce her to? Talents? A cool idea that requires two people to perform?
  
  No, have hobbies I'm interested in but women wouldn't care about. >
  
  Youre sniffing some andrew tate pipeline shit. Shut up. Women are people, and just as varied as men. Any hobby you have, there is 100% chance that a woman has at least an interest in that hobby.
  Are you gonna say girls dont like anime and video games? Not enough girls in the MTG scene? Shut up and start looking. They are there I promise you. I'm not gonna accuse you of liking any fucked up shit, but even if youre into some super sus shit theres a woman thats interested. >
  
  
  Women are people, and just as varied as men. Any hobby you have, there is 100% chance that a woman has at least an interest in that hobby?
  
  Do Women build and enjoy building teams on Madden? Where are the women in my area who enjoy metal detecting? I'm saying from experience that women are not into the things I enjoy. >
  
  Again, stop sniffing that pipe. There are women that would enjoy Madden. Maybe not as much as men, but they exist. And metal dectecting? 
  I guarantee that any decent guy could get at least a first date with a unique line like "Oh yeah, we could walk the beach with a metal detector and see what we find. We'll split the keys and change lol." Or something along those lines. 
  And when I say decent I don't mean a 10/10 super guy. Just a normal, not hugely out of shape guy that has a socially acceptable level of hygiene. Have you read some of the stories on reddit about people who date literal bottom of the barrel trash? Thats the bar. If you can't hit that and be a "decent" guy then you have some problems that arent "womens high standards" >
  
  
  Like I have no idea how someone can meet these standards.
  
  My guy you realize that rant basically just said don't be a dick and provide some sort of positive influence in a woman's life?? That's too high of a bar for you? To be nice and a positive influence? It literally didn't even specify anything specific, they just said provide something like....anything. That's such a low bar.
  
  Women will make more, have friends for companionship, have a vibrator bigger than my dick. Seriously what are guys even doing anymore?
  
  Yikes. Ok so...in order, no they don't, you can be one of those friends too if you're not a dick, and so what? This bit here is very telling on you my guy.
  
  everyone already hates me because I'm a white guy lol
  
  Yikes again. I'm a white dude. Not everybody hates me. Just don't be a dick. Be an ally to marginalized groups. It's really not that hard. >
  
  "You need to actually add something positive to our life otherwise we'd rather just be without a man"
  This is the overwhelming part, considering women make more and already have companionship, what do I add to a woman's life? >
  
  Women do not make more. I don't know where you're getting that from. And shouldn't you endeavor to improve the lives of anyone you care about? Shit man, I'd hope you would have at least as much as a standard for any woman you'd want to be with, or hell man, I'd hope you have that standard for even platonic friends. 
  Literally you can improve someone's life in so many ways. Be fun to be around, be handy, be smart, be funny, be kind. Literally pick any positive adjective that someone might want in their life and be that. Work on getting better at negative traits and improve on your positives. It's really not a very high bar and frankly you should already be doing this whether it gets you laid or not. No one is going to want you in their life if you make their life worse. It's not that hard to understand. >
  
  !delta 
  Totally get what you're saying. I suppose it's the fact that I'm only as good as what I bring that's the problem. I'm going to be honest, a lot of this sounds like manipulation in a sense. I'm basically just doing those things so people like me more, being the handy guy or whatever. >
  
  
  I'm going to be honest, a lot of this sounds like manipulation in a sense. I'm basically just doing those things so people like me more, being the handy guy or whatever.
  
  It's only manipulation if you're trying to make people believe you're something you aren't. If you are actually helping people in the process of getting people to see you as helpful, that's not a lie, that's just people seeing you as you are (whatever your motivation might be). >
  
  Fair enough! It sucks having to do stuff I don't want to do but guess that's what being an adult is all about. >
  
  It's a part of it, but probably not in the way that you think.
  People don't go about their lives going "well i have to do X so I'm doing X". Or most people don't, anyway.
  What people do do is go "I want Y, and Y is behind X, so I will do X to get Y". The trick is to connect X and Y in your head, so that your want for Y becomes want for X. >
  
  
  When I read this didn't feel happy, or motivated, felt fucking defeated man. This must be how women view men? Majority of comments supported everything said here as well.
  I'm never going to be good enough, not good looking, or my personality.
  
  OP, all that said was "men need to actually contribute something to a relationship".
  This is, simply put, about you, not about them. You're depressed, anxious, don't like yourself very much, and have been posting every day or two for months about how miserable and hopeless you are.
  You are stuck in a state of bad mental health like so many other young people are (and yes, many of those people are women, too). You know this, of course. You've said it yourself quite recently. You feel like you're stuck, that it's too late for you, that you cannot change in the ways you want to, and that your life is just going to stay where it is forever.
  Believe me, I get it. I've been there. It's horrible and scary and so hard to escape from on your own. But it won't help to reinforce and reaffirm the thoughts that depression and anxiety want to guide you toward. They aren't helping, they're just sustaining the same self-destructive cycle you're already in. Your life can be better, it really can. I promise, because I know.
  But you have to give up the notion that change is impossible. As long as you're attached to the idea that it is - largely out of fear of what changing might ask of you - it's very hard to actually make those changes and develop and grow. Right now, you think what your depression screams at you is rational and correct and that other people just can't see it, and that's how every depressed person feels because that's what depression is. It distorts the inputs to your thought so much that a reasonable mind will still come to the wrong conclusions.
  What you're doing isn't working. You know this. You need to try something - anything - different. >
  
  
  But you have to give up the notion that change is impossible. As long as you're attached to the idea that it is - largely out of fear of what changing might ask of you - it's very hard to actually make those changes and develop and grow. Right now, you think what your depression screams at you is rational and correct and that other people just can't see it, and that's how every depressed person feels because that's what depression is. It distorts the inputs to your thought so much that a reasonable mind will still come to the wrong conclusions.
  What you're doing isn't working. You know this. You need to try something - anything - different.
  
  !delta
  Thanks! What do you think I should do differently? I'm pretty isolated and it's tough to socialize. Reddit and echo chambers do support my cognitive depressed delusions, but in a weird way this is a form of socializing for myself, if that makes any sense? >
  
  The rant you posted said nothing about your looks. It said nothing about your dick size, or your skin color.
  That rant was entirely 'we are not forced to date men in order to live any more. You have to actually bring something to this relationship to make us want to date you more than we want to be single.'
  If those standards are too high for you? My dude, how do you treat women? >
  
  
  You have to actually bring something to this relationship to make us want to date you more than we want to be single.
  
  What do I add though, that's my point? >
  
  Intelligent conversation, funny jokes, comfort during the bad times, being fun on outings, challenging debates. Lots of things.
  Sorry you're not entitled to date women just for existing, I guess? >
  
  
  Sorry you're not entitled to date women just for existing, I guess?
  
  I have social anxiety, can't do half of what you mentioned and in no way are any of those things good enough to justify relationships.
  I'm not entitled, I'm asking how it's even possible. >
  
  Why do you think none of those good enough to justify relationships? What do you want out of a relationship? >
  
  Well that just sounds like having a friend. If a man can't provide anything substantial or isn't gifted with good looks, don't see from a woman's point of view why the idea of an relationship would be a thing. >
  
  Except when women actually try to explain things to you you refuse to believe them. That might be part of the problem.
  Why do you want a relationship so badly? What do you want out of it? >
  
  90% marriage rate in 1950. Blaming the individual is only going to go so far and work for so long. >
  
  Yeah, we also gave ice-pick lobotomies in the 1950s but you don't see that anymore. >
  
  False dilemma
  Don't have to restore everything to restore the discussed thing >
  
  I think there are a few counterpoints here: 
  1) I’ve met plenty of “below-average” guys (looks, personality, finances, intelligence, the whole gamut) who have managed to have long-term relationships. 
  2) this is the diatribe of one woman. 
  3) Until recently in history, women really were stuck in shitty marriages with no recourse. You still see holdovers from this, for example, in a relationship with both partners work, it is still much more common for the woman to do significantly of the housework and child rearing. It’s not unreasonable to be sick of that. 
  4) There are a lot of white guys in the world. Not everyone hates every single one of them. Some of them are even really shitty. Ted Cruz has a wife. That alone should be enough. If “everyone” hates you, it’s not because you’re white. Is it possible some people hate you because you’re white? Sure, but try looking for the other reasons and doing something about it. 
  5) Saying women should lower their standards puts the onus on them. Why don’t you lower your standards? >
  
  If patriarchy was such a sweet deal for men, men should restore it >
  
  Can you post the link to what your referencing? 
  
  Men: if you want a woman in your life then you need to do a lot of self improvement, be a better person, put actual effort into a relationship, be respectful to women, be loyal to your relationship, & actually bring something to the relationship that would improve her life.
  
  So why is this bad? Plenty of women deal with men who refuse to work on themselves or grow or be kind to the person they're dating. 
  I think a statement like this is hyperbolic: Men never had to put in effort before because women were basically forced to marry to survive. That's not the case anymore.
  But it does point to a real feeling that for so long women were expected to accept men whether they actually cared about them or not. 
  
  I'm never going to be good enough, not good looking, or my personality. Like I have no idea how someone can meet these standards.
  
  Let's separate what is on r/rant and how you feel. How old are you? What is being said that is a problem for you? 
  Can you not strive to improve yourself or be emotionally aware? 
  You seem to be all over the place. You talk about your dick size and a vibrator, men at war, and being a white guy. 
  Plenty of white guys are happily married or in relationships or have sex. 
  I think when any dude posts on this sub with sort of view I recommend seeking out healthy sources for self reflection and care. Idk where you lurk, but your view on women and dating is skewed and echoes what a lot of incels believe without any real proof. 
  We don't know you. But the story you're telling yourself isn't getting you anywhere and you're looking online to confirm telling yourself negative things.
  You haven't really explained how women's standards are too high. >
  
  THATS your evidence lmfao 
  Dude that post was spot on actually 
  What part of that rant bothered you? The work on yourself part? Or the part where they said women don't need men anymore ? 
  If the thing that bothered you was a generalization about men then idk how to tell you that you probably fall intl that generalization because I'm 28 straight white male and none if what that rant said bothered or made me feel attacked at all? Why? 
  Because I did come to the realization that if everyone you try and date leaves after a few weeks or a couple dates... it's probably a you issue. And guess what? It was? I was angry, bitter, lonely and thought I was entitled to love and a relationship
  I wasn't. 
  Go work on yourself dude. Read some self help books about toxic masculinity I feel like you could use a refresher 
  When you can come back and read that rant without getting flabbergasted, you might be ready for a relationship bur honestly posting to reddit about how women suck and basing your rant on another persons... rant as if that's sufficient evidence is a wildly wide open view into why the fuck you're actually single 
  Stop embarrassing men and figure it out >
  
  
  Go work on yourself dude. Read some self help books about toxic masculinity I feel like you could use a refresher
  
  This is all I've ever done, I'm 24 and working on myself is an endless process. >
  
  Work harder 
  Stop being self loathing my God. 
  
  this is all I've ever done 
  
  Clearly not. You think women need to lower their standards for the average man. 
  News flash dude women don't want to marry the average man they want the man that stands out from the others. By being kind caring and now self obsessed with the world is put to get them because they can't find a woman to love them 
  Get over yourself. 
  
  I'm 24 
  
  Come back to this post in 4 years and you'll probably cringe at yourself. You need to work harder at or take a different route foe your self help. Whatever your doing isn't working 
  
  working on myself is a endless process 
  
  Exactly. So why the fuck would a woman want to drop her standards? Working on yourself is a endless process but if you're bitter about that process then you're not gonna be very attractive to women. 
  And I'm not saying you can't complain or be sad about things. I'm saying don't hold a pity party for yourself everytime a relationship doesn't work put 
  You're literally the only reason you struggle in dating and idk what to tell you besides work on yourself in a different way because what you're doing isn't working. Clearly >
  
  
  News flash dude women don't want to marry the average man they want the man that stands out from the others
  
  lol, do you know what average means? You basically just said the whole 90% of women want the 10% of men OK cupid study. Newslash I'm average and not dedicating my whole life to get into that 10%, even though my face already means I'm not in it anyway. Tough love advice sounds like a fart in the wind. >
  
  So let me ask you a question then, what do you bring to the table that makes you interesting? Do you play an instrument, are you in to acting, do you enjoy writing or drawing, what about you would be intrinsically attractive to a woman?
  ​
  Because ill list the bare minimum right now, be clean, be nice, be funny, educated, dedicated, confident, well dressed. While you may not need all of these or may need others I haven't listed you have to realize women aren't going to date you just because you have a dick. if you sit down with a woman is there anything you can passionately talk about, and most importantly do you listen to what they say?
  ​
  The bar really isnt that high, you have to realize women have been held to these standards for much longer than men. Every day women get up and put on makeup, every day they dress nice, every day they put effort into themselves. You have to do the same if you want a woman that isn't lazy. >
  
  
  So let me ask you a question then, what do you bring to the table that makes you interesting? Do you play an instrument, are you in to acting, do you enjoy writing or drawing, what about you would be intrinsically attractive to a woman?
  
  Nothing, I'm not interested in any of that stuff and don't want to pick up popular hobbies so women like me. >
  
  Its not about picking hobbies that women like dude, you've got it backwards. Two years ago when I started learning piano, I wasn't good at it, hell I could barely play happy birthday without messing up. You know what though, I went out on dates with women, and when they asked I was straight up. Yeah I just started playing piano and no I wasn't good, it was the passion I talked about it with that made women interested in it. 
  ​
  There isn't any one size fits all hobby that is going to attract women, sure holing up in your room and playing video games probably isn't the best route, but developing literally any real world hobby will yield insane results as long as you actually are passionate about it and not afraid to share that part of you with them.
  ​
  Im sorry to break it to you but the average person has hobbies in the real world. Working out, bouldering, soccer, football, baseball, woodworking projects, drawing, music production. >
  
  Let me give you some advice, man to man: This statement "...a vibrator bigger than my dick..." tells many sexually active heterosexual women that you don't know nearly enough about women to be the source of mind blowing sex and orgasm.
  What you are thinking of is a dildo, whilst some didlo's do have vibrate options, a "just" vibrator isn't used like a dildo... or necessarily shaped like man's (you get the picture). 
  This is almost a face palm. >
  
  I am 54, am average looking, make okay money but because of my ex have very little saved add that my mother lives with me because of health issues. I am dating a woman ten years younger than me who makes well more than I do and is completely self reliant. She is crazy about me because I am fun and "a calming influence" but what she likes most is that I am great with animals and that people naturally like me but I don't let myself be walked on, it's that simple, being a good person who isn't a door mat and is fun to spend time with is all it takes. >
  
  I think you should note there is no such thing as a standard. Everyone is so different from one another. Furthermore, you are not hated because you are a white male. This perception that you get from a single social media is very localized and does not reflect all of the benefits that these people have in society. >
  
  We, men, have high standards for women too. It’s very likely that your own standards for women are very high. They are also likely higher than women’s standards for men. The angry post just says that standards for men should be high too.
  There are many couples in which the woman is super attractive and the guy gives you an impression (what she found in him). And vice versa. Standards are not really a thing in attraction. I doubt anyone has a checklist that they cross off. If you like someone you like someone. In different people it’s a different mix of qualities.
  My last point is the first one. Our standards for women are extremely high. Many women feel insecure about how they look like. No man feels as insecure as they do. And I am talking about attractive women. They will consider plastic surgery or cosmetic measures to change their nose, get bigger lips. Women in Korea make their eyes look more “white people eyes”, because it’s considered more attractive. 
  I am not saying this desire to change your own body comes from only wanting to be attractive to men. But it’s part of it, at least for some women. And it’s I’ve only started talking about looks. >
  
  The idea that dating is an active competition where men and women have a defined value is just a pervasive idea that some people choose to believe and participate in. In real life, outside, people are meeting each other and falling in love for purely emotional reasons, and you just don't hear about it because they're not posting on the internet about it. They're just living their life. If you want to meet someone, participate in activities or hobbies with other people. Try to put yourself out there more, and you'll find that there's lots of people who don't have ridiculous standards, and are just looking for a cool person that they're attracted to and get along with. >
  
  Looking around in real life, I'd argue that women's standards have actually gone down over time, but anyway...
  The rant you posted doesn't seem especially demanding.  It's basically saying a man should enhance a woman's life in some way.  The same thing could be said of a cat or a Saint Bernard.  I don't know why this is troublesome to you. >
  
  maybe it sounds too much for you because the concept is foreign to you, maybe because women are this distant thing that looks like you'll never reach. prolly both. many men are lacking basic understanding that 1) women are people just like they are 2) emotions, honesty with yourself and vulnerability are key components to building meaningful relationships - with romantic partners, with friends, with yourself. i get it, its really hard to grasp after how many years you've spent with "men have no emotions dont cry and must bring money" concept engraved in your brains, and now you have to basically learn how to be a human from scratch. good news: you're not alone, and you don't have to reach perfection in all areas of your life to attract a partner. you dont have to have the most intelligent emotions, lol, the most amount of decency and the most respect for women stuffed in your pockets. start with listening and being open with someone. doesnt really matter who. listen to them, and listen to yourself. just try to be fully present in the interaction. notice your urges and reactions. take notes, you can reflect later. thats the basics. you can always try therapy, its not a big scary thing, its just another person guiding you through yourself. which also requires vulnerability. you gotta learn how to be human and that its not the bad thing. many men are with you on this journey, and not only men. i myself after years of depression and isolation can relate to that concept. can relate to trying to build myself up from the ground. its hard, i know, and the process seems endless. but it gets better, and faster if you share it with someone. >
  
  "Men: if you want a woman in your life then you need to do a lot of self improvement, be a better person, put actual effort into a relationship, be respectful to women, be loyal to your relationship, & actually bring something to the relationship that would improve her life."
  "I'm never going to be good enough, not good looking, or my personality. Like I have no idea how someone can meet these standards."
  Dude... Like, seriously, dude? They are asking you to be more advantageous than having no partner at all, because they do not necessarily need a partner. They said they wont be your companion for free, or even at their own personal cost, and you are upset? Those standards are too high?
  You should edit this post to add the title of the post your sourced, "So tired of hearing men say 'you're going to die alone' just because women don't want to be their slaves anymore" because it will make your views more clear. :> >
  
  Men and women both have standards too high. >
  
  Absolutely none of the things that you've listed have anything to do with looks, or height, it does have to do with character. Character is being an equal partner, respect of the other person, and personal responsibility ( everyone already hates me because I'm a white guy lol) 
  The argument you're making here with your post is that the only way you would have a partner is if they were either coerced or forced. I just don't believe that's true, but that seems to be your argument.
  We're out here sometimes winning at love, sometimes losing, but trying to improve and be good partners with people who enjoy being with us. It sounds like you're trying to change and that's great but you have a ways to go. You're not a victim if you're white.
  You said that years ago you could have found someone, what do you mean by that? I'm assuming that you believe if women had fewer choices you would have better chances? Contradicts other things that you've said so if you could clarify that, it would help. >
  
  Ok... My response is decades crafted... here goes. "Ahehehm... You work the career. You pay the bills. You fix the car, mow the lawn, and clean out the gutters. You handle the taxes and balance the accounts, and you worry about long-term planning for retirement. You paint the house, caulk the tub, and fix anything that plugs in or combusts for operation. You do the work in bed. You take me out and lavishly spoil me. Show me chivalry, but respect my independence, however that combines with the above (aka my mood at the moment). You will enjoy the same maternity leave that you would now, but after it's up, you go back to work and I will raise the children and get to spend all their lives despising how overbearing and ridiculous YOU are. I will cook, clean and do laundry and I will indiscriminately spend anything I want to. I will plan dinners and vacations with my mother without consulting you and you WILL attend. Happily. Happier. Better. Not great, but better. When we argue I will NOT be rational or adapt to any natural or societal reality unless it conforms to the point I'm making and the rest of the time, you WILL step in my fantasy with me. Last but certainly not least, I will cuss you, cuck you, scream and throw things, and when I wish, slap you across the face, but you will act like we are in church the whole time or be accused of abusing me and they WILL believe it. Because you, my dear, are toxic femininity incarnate. You are controling and condescending and because I have the same kind of appendage on me as the one that planted you, YOU OWE ME.
  In fairness, I hope this does not reflect on nearly as many women as my limited experience of the world population and freshly linked finger in the air of society's wind would lead me to tend to believe. I have known a true woman's love that daily illuminates me to more of the previous, I.E. what a 14 year marriage to a woman like that was like with two daughters, as well as wordlessly exemplifying such an opposite to it with every breath that I continue to filter through myself to get rid of any vestiges of a lesser me that such a relationship produces in two people, so that I might one day see myself as something close to deserving the love and generosity of maternal spirit she is that now abides in my very soul.
  Still. It was pretty good a description, I take it, as I finish reading this aloud and she attempts to stifle her chortles of distaste and outright belly laughter at the description of her gender in general. THAT, gentlemen, is a woman. It's not what or how she is, it's WHO. Cause I'm not even worried about getting stabbed in my sleep toni.... >
  
  I mean, have you SEEN some of the men who are married or in LTR's? 
  Clearly, standards vary from one woman to the next. You can't say all women have set their standards above the average dude.
  There's a movement called "female dating strategy" that is basically a bunch of single women who convince one another that they're all queens who don't deserve to be treated as an equal by a guy, they need to be spoiled by the best of the best or the guy isn't worth their time, encourages women to be high maintenance, etc. In my opinion the movement is correctly named--it's a strategy that will mainly keep its members dating, not a strategy for members to find a happy marriage. 
  r/femaledatingstrategy 
  It sounds like you may have come across a rant by someone in the fds community. Understand they're the equivalent of the alt-right, an extremist echo chamber. Pay it no mind. >
  
  Its like niceguy vs nicegirl. There r so many things wrong in both the quote and your post, i dont know where to begin >
  
  
  what's mens purpose? 
  
  What do you think your purpose is? What do you want to achieve in life? >
  
  “Someday, I just want to marry a regular girl who isn’t too ugly and not too pretty. Have two children, first a girl, then a boy. Retire after my daughter is married and my son becomes a successful ninja, and spend the rest of my life playing shōgi or Go. Then die of old age before my wife.” Shikamaru Nara
  Pretty much this besides the Ninja and Shogi. >
  
  Women do not owe you a relationship my guy. The only standard listed was be a good person >
  
  The problem is that what a lot of women are advocating for is essentially hypergamy, which leads to a fertility crisis. Women deciding not to have kids is all fun and dandy until you’re 85 and there’s not enough nursing home workers, and social security and other government benefits are underfunded because there’s not enough young workers paying into them. >
  
  So are we supposed to force women to have children? And there are still plenty of kids being born, this is not a problem >
  
  Birth rates have been on the decline for decades. Most of these kids are born in developing countries, which I’m assuming you don’t live in. Love it or hate it, the governments of the world would likely do something if population levels got to such a low level that it threatens society. Freedom isn’t worth a damn if there’s nobody left to enjoy it. >
  
  Do. . .you want a woman to need you? That's a lot of pressure. Honestly that drove a lot of men to suicide or "going out for cigarettes" in the past. 
  I guess I'm not sure exactly what you want. >
  
  No, but being wanted would be nice. From what I'm hearing from other people maybe if I bust my ass for a decade then maybe I can find someone. >
  
  No, you just have to be likable. >
  
  Likability is in the eye of the one liking >
  
  Yep. And there's a key for every lock, yadda yadda.
  Find your weirdo, everybody has a match. >
  
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  Until they turn 50 and weigh 300 pounds. >
  
  Yamcha dated Bulma and had several other girlfriends. He's got plenty of pull.
  Tien ended up with a wife and Lunch was always hot for him 
  Maybe you feel more like Chaotzu, he had to get it with a doll. >
  
  
  everyone already hates me because I'm a white guy lol.
  
  That's not why everyone hates you >
  
  No, my point though is what race or gender actually likes white men? All have have been scorned in the past one way or another. It is what it is. >
  
  Races don't like things.  People do.
  Genders don't like things.  People do.
  You are ascribing conscious thoughts and desires to inanimate terms of classification. >
  
  You're separating races and people which makes sense, but you need to take into averages and trends.
  The average black dude for instance would like white women a lot more than White men.
  One because of attraction to women in general and also not attributing white women to racist actions of the past and present the same way White men are. That goes for any other race as well. Like I said before women, especially feminist's who spend time on reddit care even less of their male counterparts.
  Tell me, who is on my side? Who here seriously cares about white men, like the 1,000 who are dying on the Russian frontline every week? To use your own words people don't care. >
  
  
  Tell me, who is on my side?
  
  Andrew Tate
  
  Who here seriously cares about white men
  
  r/conservative
  
  To use your own words people don't care.
  
  I don't believe you. Link to where I used those words.