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  Do you have a link for those keycaps?
context: Just curious what you do with the computer that you could live without numbers at all? I feel like I would have a hard time without the function key row, losing the number row would be impossible (I’m a programmer). >
  
  ? 
  I also program fulltime and use a 35%, you just have layers for your numbers and symbols. Ends up being faster than larger keyboards once you get used to it (for me at least), less finger movement overall. >
  
  I’m intrigued. Besides the time spent relearning the muscle memory I worry that it would spoil me using any other keyboard in the off chance I need to. >
  
  I can see that, I use a QAZ at work and a corne at home, and the first 1-2 weeks my fingers were a little confused going between them, but then it was okay. 
  It’s not quite as bad as you’d think though, as a programmer I’m assuming you’ve been typing on standard keyboards for a loooong time—switching back to those is super easy. Switching between sub-40s can be a little tricky at first, but you can make keymaps that are similar to make that easier. 
  If you’re interested, check out something as a middle ground, like a Lily58–it’s an ortho split with a number row. From there, you can make a keymap that doesn’t use the number row to try it out, and then you still have the number row as a fallback for when you get frustrated. 
  If you don’t like orthosplit you could try like a preonic or something similar, or if you’re already using a 60% you can do this too with that. I think layer switching is a little easier on splits because toggling layers with thumbs works a little better for me, but ymmv. 
  Best part of sub-40s is building keyboards is cheaper, so you can accumulate a bunch more 😂. Take care of your wallet! >
  
  This was really helpful for me as someone in a similar boat. You don’t have much trouble going from something ortho back to traditional board layouts? >
  
  I’ve used a 40% daily. General use was fine but gaming was more of a challenge. 
  I’m waiting for a new keycap set for my UT47.2 at the moment and then I’ll bring it into use again :) >
  
  I've tried a couple profiles on my ut47.2 and dsa has been my favorite for it. Curious which set you are waiting for. >
  
  I've been struggling to find keysets which both fit and have the right labels. I think DSS Lightcycle is the answer and it's due any moment now....! well, it was due Q3 last year but here we are :) >
  
  And here we are indeed. Same issue, waiting on kam superuser >
  
  ooh, that's nice... and is it a flat profile too? interesting...
  I like the keyboard it's demo'd on too... a candy bar I think? I'm quite fancying a keychron Q9 as a 40% with ISO support and normal sized caps...
  Edir: Actually this demo keyboard I like too.. what's that? >
  
  Pretty sure it's a flat profile in the pictures yeah. The demo keyboard is the whimsy. Honestly don't know if it's a real board or just a render. Pretty darn neat though >
  
  
  with a layout shamelessly inspired by the brilliant UT47.2
  
  I thought the layout looked familiar :) just with a screen and a rotary encoder... I think it's one of those things that has existed but may never again... >
  
  Fruitbar? I'm keen to pick up one in R2. >
  
  Me too but just for the case for me ;) cherry profile is impossible on flat keyboard >
  
  I'm interested in buying a 40%. How's it going for daily use? I'm currently using a 60% for daily use and I like the size but wish it was a bit smaller so that it would be easier to bring to school. You can change the layers so it's easier to use numbers if you want. >
  
  There is Pochi currently in GB if you are looking for a budget entry 40% board. >
  
  Found it on mollecue. Should I buy it from there or from somewhere else? What does the stack do? >
  
  I think mollecue is the only vendor for this board.
  The stack seems to be used for tilting the board to achieve the desired typing angle.
  I saw there is a channel on the 40s discord that you get access to by going to #join-ic-roles-here and typing in ?rank pochi. >
  
  Interesting. I'm not finding a lot of keycap sets for 40% keyboards. Where is the best place to buy them from? >
  
  40s cover all ways of form factors and even more keyboard layouts than that. So there isn't a generic keycap combination you'll need and it depends a lot on what kinds of keyboard you want to kit.
  Newer manufacturers tend to often have very large base kits that are able to cover 40s.
  And if you go for uniform profile (e.g. DSA, XDA) you just have to find the right size.
  Shops that come to my mind are Novelkeys, Cannonkeys or KBDFans with the former recently adding new keycap set that support minivan style 40s in their basekit.
  The nice thing about pochi is that it is base kit compatible which means that you should be able to kit it with the base set of most generic (ANSI) keycap sets. >
  
  So would something like the kinetic labs whale or seal work for it? >
  
  I think it would work. 
  Backspace will be colour of the alphas though so you might want to look at something like NicePBT Retro Mizu or NicePBT Grey on Black or WS Kraken if you are looking for similar colours but better kitting options. >
  
  Thanks, I'm thinking of buying either NicePBT Grey on Black or PBTFANS WOB. >
  
  Why do you think you won’t have numbers?  Just set up layers and learn to use them. >
  
  Layers? Just type the number into Google and copy the search result!
  /s >
  
  I don't think I could do it. >
  
  Bro got a numless 65% and still calling it a 40. >
  
  I think it's more like a numless tkl actually in this case but yeah, everything that doesn't have numrow is 40 lol >
  
  Keeb deets please, anyone? >
  
  which wrist rest is that? does it come in tkl size? >
  
  Not sure what one specifically, but that is the cooler master logo on it. >
  
  thanks was half asleep looking at it. Looks like the WR530 or something. It appears to be all foam though which is not what I'm looking for. >
  
  What material do you recommend for a wrist pad? >
  
  all personal preference. I'm currently using a TKL Redragon P035 Meteor S Computer Keyboard Wrist Rest >
  
  Do you have a link for those keycaps? >
  
  From someone who has handled Artifact Bloom caps for a build, those look a LOT like Artifact Bloom Rainbow. Could be wrong. >
  
  I've been without numpad for a while now, and I've not really noticed the loss (I'm a programmer, not an accountant, so YMMV). >
  
  You can just program your keyboard to emulate a numpad.
  I have a layer emulating the numpad grid on all of my 40s to speed up entering many numbers. Works like a charm and I wouldn't want to miss it. >
  
  The wrist rest is bigger than the keyboard! >
  
  Keyboard looks sick, just don’t understand how you could live without the number keys >
  
  Layers >
  
  Your strong and complicated password just became more complicated (at least for you) >
  
  What noise is that my good sir >
  
  So funny to me how everyone is now using the Logi MX mice. They are awesome. >
  
  Another Fruitbar :D I got really quickly used to type numbers on mine.
  Through why is you screen on top of the plate? >
  
  Probably because the tolerance was sooooo tight. I had te solder a new one on mine. I also eventually used orings on standoffs on mine otherwise I couldn't screw it properly. >
  
  Thats probably going to be the easiest 50 to get used to. No numbers would be super easy for me. >
  
  Is there much function to 60 Vs 100?
  I use it for gaming primarily >
  
  I'd grab a Logitech G600. It's got a numpad built in. I used to have a tkl and needed the pad for a lot more than I realized and that did the trick. Very comfy mouse for my big palms. >
  
  So I got an mmo mouse when I used a 40 and mapped the buttons to numbers which really helped me. I know most people use layers but I just liked using the side buttons on that mouse since there’s 12 of them >
  
  Sorry for not MK related question... What are your audio devices? Do you recommend them? >
  
  What desk pad is that? Been looking for one, but haven't been super confident about the quality of them cause there's like $13 ones on Amazon >
  
  I experimented with my own custom layouts for a while, but once I switched to the miryoku flipped inverted-t layout, everything was great. No more reaching for keys, numpad just like a normal one, without having to move your hand. All the numrow special keys mapped to the corresponding number location, so my brain easily mapped them without much effort. Function keys also laid out like a number pad on one hand. Even controlling the mouse easily without extra effort. Coder/SRE/manager on a split ortho 36 key Corne family board. 
  Not a gamer at all. >
  
  What's the name of the wrist rest and where can I get one? >
  
  No OP, but that's the Cooler Master logo on it. >
  
  Just set up tap dance for your space bar. Easy: one tap for 1, two taps for 2,... >
  
  What reason for the way too zoomed out photo exists besides trying to low-key brag about owning a camera and dac/amps lol
  Clearly having the camera shows you have some idea of how to frame a photo, right, so it makes no sense >
  
  Lemme get you that website that requires a number in the password. >
  
  you masochist. >
  
  I’ve used a 40% daily. General use was fine but gaming was more of a challenge. 
  I’m waiting for a new keycap set for my UT47.2 at the moment and then I’ll bring it into use again :) >
  
  I've tried a couple profiles on my ut47.2 and dsa has been my favorite for it. Curious which set you are waiting for. >
  
  I've been struggling to find keysets which both fit and have the right labels. I think DSS Lightcycle is the answer and it's due any moment now....! well, it was due Q3 last year but here we are :) >
  
  And here we are indeed. Same issue, waiting on kam superuser >
  
  ooh, that's nice... and is it a flat profile too? interesting...
  I like the keyboard it's demo'd on too... a candy bar I think? I'm quite fancying a keychron Q9 as a 40% with ISO support and normal sized caps...
  Edir: Actually this demo keyboard I like too.. what's that? >
  
  Pretty sure it's a flat profile in the pictures yeah. The demo keyboard is the whimsy. Honestly don't know if it's a real board or just a render. Pretty darn neat though >
  
  
  with a layout shamelessly inspired by the brilliant UT47.2
  
  I thought the layout looked familiar :) just with a screen and a rotary encoder... I think it's one of those things that has existed but may never again... >
  
  Just curious what you do with the computer that you could live without numbers at all? I feel like I would have a hard time without the function key row, losing the number row would be impossible (I’m a programmer). >
  
  ? 
  I also program fulltime and use a 35%, you just have layers for your numbers and symbols. Ends up being faster than larger keyboards once you get used to it (for me at least), less finger movement overall. >
  
  I’m intrigued. Besides the time spent relearning the muscle memory I worry that it would spoil me using any other keyboard in the off chance I need to. >
  
  I can see that, I use a QAZ at work and a corne at home, and the first 1-2 weeks my fingers were a little confused going between them, but then it was okay. 
  It’s not quite as bad as you’d think though, as a programmer I’m assuming you’ve been typing on standard keyboards for a loooong time—switching back to those is super easy. Switching between sub-40s can be a little tricky at first, but you can make keymaps that are similar to make that easier. 
  If you’re interested, check out something as a middle ground, like a Lily58–it’s an ortho split with a number row. From there, you can make a keymap that doesn’t use the number row to try it out, and then you still have the number row as a fallback for when you get frustrated. 
  If you don’t like orthosplit you could try like a preonic or something similar, or if you’re already using a 60% you can do this too with that. I think layer switching is a little easier on splits because toggling layers with thumbs works a little better for me, but ymmv. 
  Best part of sub-40s is building keyboards is cheaper, so you can accumulate a bunch more 😂. Take care of your wallet! >
  
  This was really helpful for me as someone in a similar boat. You don’t have much trouble going from something ortho back to traditional board layouts? >
  
  There’s definitely a learning curve, but it’s not as bad as you’d think. When I first got my QAZ it took me like 30-60 minutes to go back into corne-mode, and within a month that adjustment time dropped to a few seconds. Going back to a traditional keyboard has always taken me no time, it’s like riding a bike. Ortho layouts though have always felt really natural to my hands, so ymmv. 
  The thing that took me the longest was learning a totally new layout when I first got a qaz. I usually take a day to a week and just force myself to use the keyboard for the entire time regardless of how frustrated I get, and by the end of it it usually feels pretty nice. 
  You can try it yourself with what I mentioned, see if you can type without using a number row for a week, and by the end you’ll be good enough to use a corne/planck. For my first 40%, I also put the upper layer keycaps on the board to help (so instead of qwertyuiop, it was 1-9 on the first row, symbols and arrow keys on the second, etc). If you can already touch type the base letters, then you can use the legends to help you for the upper layers until you learn them. 
  I promise it’s not as bad as it sounds, and if you need help the 40% discord is a great resource! We love helping people join the dark side—one day you’ll be posting photos of keyboard people can say “but how do you type letters?” to! >
  
  Fruitbar? I'm keen to pick up one in R2. >
  
  Me too but just for the case for me ;) cherry profile is impossible on flat keyboard >
  
  I'm interested in buying a 40%. How's it going for daily use? I'm currently using a 60% for daily use and I like the size but wish it was a bit smaller so that it would be easier to bring to school. You can change the layers so it's easier to use numbers if you want. >
  
  There is Pochi currently in GB if you are looking for a budget entry 40% board. >
  
  Found it on mollecue. Should I buy it from there or from somewhere else? What does the stack do? >
  
  I think mollecue is the only vendor for this board.
  The stack seems to be used for tilting the board to achieve the desired typing angle.
  I saw there is a channel on the 40s discord that you get access to by going to #join-ic-roles-here and typing in ?rank pochi. >
  
  Interesting. I'm not finding a lot of keycap sets for 40% keyboards. Where is the best place to buy them from? >
  
  40s cover all ways of form factors and even more keyboard layouts than that. So there isn't a generic keycap combination you'll need and it depends a lot on what kinds of keyboard you want to kit.
  Newer manufacturers tend to often have very large base kits that are able to cover 40s.
  And if you go for uniform profile (e.g. DSA, XDA) you just have to find the right size.
  Shops that come to my mind are Novelkeys, Cannonkeys or KBDFans with the former recently adding new keycap set that support minivan style 40s in their basekit.
  The nice thing about pochi is that it is base kit compatible which means that you should be able to kit it with the base set of most generic (ANSI) keycap sets. >
  
  So would something like the kinetic labs whale or seal work for it? >
  
  I think it would work. 
  Backspace will be colour of the alphas though so you might want to look at something like NicePBT Retro Mizu or NicePBT Grey on Black or WS Kraken if you are looking for similar colours but better kitting options. >
  
  Thanks, I'm thinking of buying either NicePBT Grey on Black or PBTFANS WOB. >
  
  Why do you think you won’t have numbers?  Just set up layers and learn to use them. >
  
  Dedicated keys for numbers I guess, I am sure op uses layers already. >
  
  I don't think I could do it. >
  
  So funny to me how everyone is now using the Logi MX mice. They are awesome. >
  
  I love using it, fits my hand very well :) And happy cake day :D >
  
  Another Fruitbar :D I got really quickly used to type numbers on mine.
  Through why is you screen on top of the plate? >
  
  Probably because the tolerance was sooooo tight. I had te solder a new one on mine. I also eventually used orings on standoffs on mine otherwise I couldn't screw it properly. >
  
  Is there much function to 60 Vs 100?
  I use it for gaming primarily >
  
  I'm hesitant to use a full size since it takes up majority of the room on my mouse pad. I could live off entirely a 60% + a separate numpad. Unless you need to use all 108 keys for a game lol, 60% is fine, but most prefer 65% for the arrow keys for functionality. >
  
  Sorry for not MK related question... What are your audio devices? Do you recommend them? >
  
  It's ok, I use the Schiit Magni to power my Kanto Yua2 and my Zen Stack for all other devices, mostly been using with the Aeon 2 Noire. Honestly you cant really go wrong with either of the dac/amp for desktop use but I love using the Ifi Zen Dac. >
  
  What desk pad is that? Been looking for one, but haven't been super confident about the quality of them cause there's like $13 ones on Amazon >
  
  That actually came free with my desk from uplift but you can buy it separately for about $40, I would generally have a 900×400 mat but I was seeing how this would turn out. >
  
  I experimented with my own custom layouts for a while, but once I switched to the miryoku flipped inverted-t layout, everything was great. No more reaching for keys, numpad just like a normal one, without having to move your hand. All the numrow special keys mapped to the corresponding number location, so my brain easily mapped them without much effort. Function keys also laid out like a number pad on one hand. Even controlling the mouse easily without extra effort. Coder/SRE/manager on a split ortho 36 key Corne family board. 
  Not a gamer at all. >
  
  Keeb deets please, anyone? >
  
  Bro got a numless 65% and still calling it a 40. >
  
  I think it's more like a numless tkl actually in this case but yeah, everything that doesn't have numrow is 40 lol >
  
  you masochist. >
  
  Oh schiit! >
  
  which wrist rest is that? does it come in tkl size? >
  
  Not sure what one specifically, but that is the cooler master logo on it. >
  
  thanks was half asleep looking at it. Looks like the WR530 or something. It appears to be all foam though which is not what I'm looking for. >
  
  What material do you recommend for a wrist pad? >
  
  all personal preference. I'm currently using a TKL Redragon P035 Meteor S Computer Keyboard Wrist Rest