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  Elected officials who campaigned for votes by making promises to large corporations for funding and favors.
context: Most are fleeing completly lawless countries that are being run by gangs and drug cartels. Others are fleeing cripling poverty. For them its a choice of  Illegaly immigrating into the US seeing your entire family die. If you can solve those two problems and youll drastically reduce illegal immigration . >
  
  It would have helped if the US hadn't intervened in these countries thereby destabilizing them which contributed significantly to the conditions these countries now have. >
  
  So let's be real here as bad as USA was in cold war it's not "these countries" as if all or most it's some. >
  
  It really is at least most of them.
  Here's a wikipedia page of direct US involvement regime change in Latin American countries.
  This doesn't even include the indirect ways we mess with them, like drug cartels legally buying their weapons here or the war on drugs. >
  
  
  It really is at least most of them.
  
  Depends on what region you are talking about. Not for South America not that it changes what was done.
  
  This doesn't even include the indirect ways we mess with them, like drug cartels legally buying their weapons here or the war on drugs.
  
  You can point to things that can be done better in US, but blaming USA for indirectly impacting those countries isn't fair imo. Just because USA serves as a huge customer base for those drugs and cartels can get weapons from US doesn't mean it's USA fault or that USA wants that. >
  
  
  Not for South America not that it changes what was done.
  
  yes for South America >
  
  I mean it's basic math. Count the counties on wiki in South America that were couped to the ones that aren't. 12 SA countries in total less than 6 couped so there you go. Not like this matters either way so not sure why you are making a big deal about it. >
  
  Imagine believing Venezuela and Colombia are countries that did not have the USA choosing their leaders for them >
  
  Allow legal immigration to fill the market needs that demand illegal immigration. >
  
  When I was a kid, every hotel worker I ever saw was born in America.  Most of them were african american, me being from chicago.
  Nowadays, hotel staff are almost 100% foreign born hispanics.  And the black unemployment rate is twice that of whites.  We have the labor here, no need to import people for it.  
  Employers love this situation though, because a glut of unkskilled labor in the USA means the price for unskilled labor is very low.  Decrease supply, demand will stay the same, price will go up and people will get paid more for things like hotel maids. >
  
  Humans have been trekking from one corner of this planet since the dawn of humanity....It's not going to stop no matter what you do...politicians and governments know it and only use migration as a political tool to stay in power. Humans always find a way to migrate no matter what you do. >
  
  You really can't.
  Illegal immigrants pick our crops and run many of our services because Americans were not willing to take those jobs at the wages they've been marked at for decades. America can have cheap goods flowing at constant pace, or it can have illegal immigrants in their labor force. Every day, Americans repeatedly choose to have cheap goods instead. >
  
  You are missing the obvious solution. Legislate a higher number of immigrants. The problem with illegal immigrants is what they are bringing across the border and that they are unchecked. You want/need another 5 million? Make it so they can be verified as not criminals. You want in? You aren't a criminal or terrorist? Not smuggling drugs? Excellent. Welcome to America. >
  
  For the U.S. it would be to end policies that are put in place to intentionally destabilize South and Central America.  End the war on drugs.  End sanctions...This isnt really difficult or unknown, just unpopular. >
  
  I.e getting out of other people's business. The world would be far better off without world powers meddling in 3rd world countries. >
  
  Honestly, if you want to end illegal immigration you need to make their countries better places to live in the first place. 
  Americans love to bitch about it, but it’s half the reason their groceries are so fucking cheap. Everyone’s against illegal immigration until they have to pay $10 for a cabbage. >
  
  So you are suggesting to continue meddling in other countries to "improve them"? Or am I misreading your position? >
  
  The issue is that some Americans want to take an isolationist approach to the world, while reaping the benefits of globalization. 
  The reason people keep coming here, is because their home countries are so terrible (often because of meddling done by the US) that they’d do anything to get here. 
  So I guess, yes. >
  
  You're assuming my point is to be isolationist  ut reap the benefits. No, it should be illegal under international law to have any involvement inside a country that exploits governments and work forces. 
  If 1st world countries don't have to rely on 3rd world exploitation but they do anyways. People in the states would definitely figure out a way to produce cheap food, it's just everyone wants short term solutions. >
  
  That would be a disaster.  We are demographically shrinking because the boomers are retiring and are the biggest working cohort ever.  There will continue to be worker shortages for the next 15 years.  We need a million a year to just keep from shrinking a,d shrinking is disastrous to economic growth. >
  
  I had a tire guy before I moved who was great.  I think he was Mexican but he spoke English and one time he told me he had to leave to go back due to immigration, it was a shame he had his own little business on the side of a repair shop and he had a wife and kids, he's one that should have stayed.  I hope when he got back he can get work since he spoke English. >
  
  As long as some countries have a far better standard of living than others, there will be a strong desire to move there for many.
  As long as the doors are closed but not fully and life for those that manage to sneak in is good enough, a portion of those who want to move will do inclined to take illegal action to manage that.
  The only solution that meets the limitations of your question is to make everywhere on Earth just as good a place to live as the most desirable locations.  Chances are that's only possible by bringing down the standard of living of those that have secured a good one so it isn't likely to happen. >
  
  I close my eyes and imagine a scenario where some environmental disaster has hit the US. Let’s say a huge hole in the ozone opens up across most of the US. Now I’m not a scientist but let’s say due to this hole, our crops are dying, people are getting cancer by the tens of thousands.  Water is contaminated.  Crime has increased 3739% as a result. The rich and powerful have either abandoned the country or have their own systems in place for survival.  
  I’m with my family and I am seeing people die.  I know for certain that we will all die if we stay.  On the television and calls placed the government (whatever is still working). Canada and South America are taking refugees. But it’s a slow process. There is a lotto and we are advised to fill out a form and just wait. As we wait, more of us die.  
  So do I decide to try and enter Mexico or Canada illegally?  Do I hear tales of walls going up, or Mexican drug lords who will take us and sell us into slavery? Do I hear tales of coyotes who will safely get us into another country.  What’s real and what’s lies?  Can Mexico say or do anything short of fixing America, that would keep me passively sitting around as we starve and die?  
  At some point as a man, as a human being.  I am going to take my chances and would rather die trying to find safety than sitting in a room slowly being poisoned to death.  
  What can anyone on this thread say or do to convince me not to try ? >
  
  On the plus side, this scenario would be effective at eliminating illegal immigration into the US. >
  
  The only way to stop illegal immigration is to jail or fine the employers, create a national ID card, and deport those who cheat by overstaying a visa or coming in illegally. Illegal immigration isn"t "needed". It's employers responding to basic supply and demand of cheaper labor. >
  
  Every AG that is worth a dam would file a 10th Amendment lawsuit over a proposed national ID card.
  Besides, due to the Real ID Act is a national ID card even needed since state issued ID cards can now meet federal standards with the right documents? >
  
  No matter how much we try to sanitize it by calling it "market demand" illegal immigration only works because business owners are a group rife with criminals supporting human trafficking.  NO ONE gets transported over the border unless they are getting hired at an incredibly high rate.  Immigrants are making money for traffickers right away because business owners are hiring them at a break neck pace.  They aren't coming to the US then getting on Google and LinkedIn to find work after a 6-8 month search.  If you don't start locking up owners breaking labor laws, you aren't going to stem the tide of anything.
  The "market demand" for greed is never going away. >
  
  I also think part of the demand is driven by out policies toward immigration. Even countries as supposedly “accepting” as Canada have strict immigration rules and requirements. I get where the OP wants to focus here but you just can’t ignore the impact of how little is required by the US. >
  
  I'm all for letting in immigrants for high skill positions we are lacking in like psychologists and therapists
  But how about we let the low skill jobs adjust what they pay so Americans can afford to work there >
  
  It's not that Americans will work those jobs for higher pay. They won't work those jobs period. >
  
  If an able bodied person can work the job, for a living wage, they shouldn't recieve welfare >
  
  Address corruption in foreign policy.  Create a working legal immigration system.  Hand out citations at the border and issue temporary work permits to track individuals as they enter the country.  Put proactive policies in place to address worker migration OR continue to do nothing so that the country collapses and they migrate elsewhere. >
  
  Additionally - consider corporate benefits of allowing illegal migrants to work and live here.  Don't forget who makes the laws. >
  
  Congress?  They make the laws. >
  
  One thing that would be helpful is giving employers the ability to verify identity, and also giving them the ability to reject documentation they believe is fake or someone else.  
  The current e-verify system only allows an employer to verify if someone with that name is eligible to work in the USA.  It doesn't tell you if the person standing in front of you is eligible to work here. Also, employers are prohibited from rejecting documentation if they think its fake and they are prohibited from asking for different documents.  The federal government will sue your company if you reject fake docs. 
  If we want to prevent employers from hiring people who are here illegally, we need to give them the ability to screen those people out.  Certainly if we want to punish employers for this, they need the ability to be certain who they are hiring.