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  I'm coincidentally reading this while posted in my ambulance as an EMT, partnered with a very obviously burnt-out paramedic. Burn out, and shit attitudes happen with medics in our very abusive system, but what these two did is beyond negligence. Definitely deserving of the charges they are facing.
context: Video: Illinois paramedics charged after patient, strapped face-down, dies
  
  Title really burying the lede there >
  
  And the patient >
  
  Hey oh! >
  
  According to the coroner’s autopsy report, Moore died of “compressional and positional asphyxia due to prone facedown restraint on a paramedic transportation cot/stretcher by tightened straps across back and lower body in the setting of lethargy and underlying chronic alcoholism.” >
  
  Jesus Christ… I’m sure it gets tiring to deal with addicts day in, day out, but if you’re at the point of not treating them professionally, with compassion… it’s time to find a new line of work. >
  
  My buddy is EMS in Tacoma. Literally all he does is respond to homeless camps for drug related calls. He's getting out of it soon because he signed up to help people, not deal with violent crackheads 14 hours a day. >
  
  Likely shit pay as well. >
  
  I was mortified when I realized what my EMT buddies were being paid, even with overtime, in Oklahoma. That job was burning them all out because in order to get ahead they absolutely had to work overtime each week. They’ve all switched to much better careers at this point fortunately. 
  What I’m describing above is depressing, but then you think about what exactly they dealt with under these conditions on a day to day basis and it definitely becomes straight up evil that they are so underpaid in my opinion. Dead children, crackheads, grieving family members, morbidly obese and or mentally ill hoarders, Covid exposure during the height of the lockdown, and much much more. Nursing definitely sounds like a career that burns you out too, but I guess atleast their pay keeps you from being absolutely paycheck to paycheck.
  Sorry for the long rant. I think EMTs and Paramedics don’t get as much public appreciation as Fire or Police and they should. >
  
  $9.50 in Florida 🙃
  Entry level county owned not private circa 2016 >
  
  For anyone that didn't read the article, he died of positional asphyxiation. Probably because they strapped him facedown. Also, considering their comments during the whole thing, they probably shouldn't have been paramedics. Being a medical professional requires a lot of patient empathy, and when you're that far gone, you need to find a new career. >
  
  maybe we should hire folks at better than 13 dollars an hour pay :) >
  
  Pretty sure fuckheads are gonna stay fuckheads, no matter how much you pay them. Paying this woman $30 an hour wouldn't increase her compassion at all >
  
  Hes suggesting the low pay attracts characters like these two, and if we were to raise the pay it would attract better candidates who wouldn't do what these two did >
  
  The two paramedics that were charged were probably pissed that their more experienced but less paid co-worker recently quit, upping their workload. >
  
  Bye Felicia >
  
  Understood_that_reference.jpg >
  
  I'm no expert, and I am cynical as hell. IMO, this is an overcharge, no way this is 1st degree murder. This is how they let people go, just like Kyle Rittenhouse.
  It's a lesser homicide, negligence, not pre-planned intentional murder, and the jury will see that and come back not guilty. They do the same for cops and other city insiders. >
  
  Read #2:
  
  (a) A person who kills an individual without lawful justification commits first degree murder if, in performing the acts which cause the death:
  
  (1) he or she either intends to kill or do great bodily harm to that individual or another, or knows that such acts will cause death to that individual or another; or
  
  (2) he or she knows that such acts create a strong probability of death or great bodily harm to that individual or another; or
  
  (3) he or she, acting alone or with one or more participants, commits or attempts to commit a forcible felony other than second degree murder, and in the course of or in furtherance of such crime or flight therefrom, he or she or another participant causes the death of a person. >
  
  Man after reading how they treated him they deserve it.
  No compassion or professionalism.  Strapping him face down? Wtf >
  
  reprehensible behavior by both of these "providers" and I hope they lose their state cards and spend a long time in jail. absolutely no excuse for this. I've been a paramedic for a long time and even for the 3am drunk patient call, they're still another person and there is NEVER justification for what they did. It's negligence, carelessness, and murder. >
  
  As a paramedic, I'm quite okay with them getting charged! 
  Cruel Bullshit like this literally kills people and is why EMS has no respect within the medical community. >
  
  Pretty typical when it comes to how the fields of health and law enforcement treat addicts. >
  
  It's hard to hire patient, empathetic, professional people to go through hell for $13/hr.
  It's also important to be able to fire people who are burnt out or don't have the right mindset, knowing that you can find quality workers to replace them if needed. >
  
  No way a 1st degree charge is gonna stick. >
  
  Keep in mind that every state has their own statutes covering homicide and the 'premeditated = first degree murder' rule of thumb doesn't apply everywhere - Here's Illinois' statute covering first degree murder:
  
  (a) A person who kills an individual without lawful justification commits first degree murder if, in performing the acts which cause the death:
  (1) he or she either intends to kill or do great bodily harm to that individual or another, or knows that such acts will cause death to that individual or another; or
  (2) he or she knows that such acts create a strong probability of death or great bodily harm to that individual or another; or
  (3) he or she, acting alone or with one or more participants, commits or attempts to commit a forcible felony other than second degree murder, and in the course of or in furtherance of such crime or flight therefrom, he or she or another participant causes the death of a person. 
  
  Emphasis mine - The prosecution will likely argue that the accused, being trained paramedics, were aware of the dangers of positional asphyxiation and why restraining someone in a prone position such as they did can lead to death in the restrained person. >
  
  this is what i was thinking as well. they're going to hit them with the worst charge they can and probably plea deal it down from there.
  fuck these two, though. my god. horrible patient "care." when helping train others in EMS, this is something that i have ZERO tolerance for. >
  
  They strapped him down face first so he couldnt breathe properly
  Quote from the article - these paramedics didnt care about their patient
  Finley is heard yelling at Moore to get up and walk out to the ambulance. “You’re gonna have to walk ‘cause we ain’t carrying you!” she says. “I am seriously not in the mood for this dumb sh*t.” >
  
  ...Why you should follow procedure when possible even when you've had it up to here with what you have to put up with on the job. >
  
  Family needs to hire a lawyer. >
  
  It makes most sense as a civil case. Probably against the hospital as well as the paramedics. >
  
  Paramedics and their employer. They'll drop whatever their policy limits are immediately. >
  
  Negligence maybe,but homicidle intent not seeing it. >
  
  I worked for a government ems service. I wish I could say I didn’t see this disregard for life in some coworkers but I am in fact not surprised. Thank >
  
  According to the coroner’s autopsy report, Moore died of “compressional and positional asphyxia due to prone facedown restraint on a paramedic transportation cot/stretcher by tightened straps across back and lower body in the setting of lethargy and underlying chronic alcoholism.” >
  
  So suffocated?
  Edit - more accurately, they made it impossible for this person to breathe. Just wanted to make sure I was reading it right bc it's a lot of words >
  
  Clinically, yes. But the important part as far as the law is concerned is how he asphyxiated. Namely, he couldn't expand his chest to draw in air because the paramedics strapped him down so tightly, and likewise made sure he couldn't get into a position where he could breath. 
  The facts that it was a conscious choice to do so on the paramedics' parts and that he would have lived if they hadn't makes it murder. >
  
  Isn’t that manslaughter? >
  
  Maybe if you weren't a trained medical professional but there is no way these two wouldn't have known what they were doing was likely to impede the patient's breathing. >
  
  i mean, they are meant to check and monitor your alive and breathing pretty much the whole time your in there care right? sooooo what they ratchet him down and start playing candy crush while in traffic? >
  
  They must have done some really egregious shit to get charged with FIRST degree murder. That means the prosecutors say it was planned an intentional. >
  
  Honestly the charges are my issue for sure. As a health care professional, I definitely think they were negligent but they’re going to have a hell of a time proving premeditation and intent in this case. Maybe I don’t have a solid understanding of the definitions of murder charges but I thought that was the main factor in first degree murder? >
  
  In Illinois First Degree Murder includes intentionally committing an act which the defendant knows creates a strong probability of death or great bodily harm and which, in fact, leads to the death of another. In this case I imagine the prosecutors believe the paramedics knew that strapping the patient down like that in his condition created a risk of great bodily harm or death. >
  
  I kept reading after my comment and came across that so I do see how what they did could fall in that category! I just didn’t want to see them just getting let off because someone decided to get too crazy with the charges. I’ve heard of that happening before in other cases. >
  
  Yeah they don't teach you to strap someone face down in EMT training. >
  
  Quite literally the opposite. You’re taught to never, ever, ever transport any patient in the prone position. >
  
  Weighing in on this as a former EMT. What these two did goes against all medical advice and training. Nowhere in my training or protocols was I ever given instructions or even the option to strap a patient down prone. Supine, sure, but never prone. A patient can be sufficiently and safely restrained in a supine position, no problem. If the patient is violent and you aren't confident in your restraints, there's no shame in borrowing an officer's handcuffs or having them ride along. These two did not do that, and they got this man killed. 
  I've been there, yall. This job will eat away at your soul. You sign on to help people who need you, and you end up running nothing but bullshit nausea calls, abnormal lab values, and addicts. For every serious call where a life is truly on the line, you will get off late for a grown man who threw up, or skip a meal for a grown man who has a headache, or lose sleep for a grown man who had a nightmare, while all the while, your management pushes you to run more calls, transport more patients, finish those reports, work that overtime. And eventually, you get burnt out, and you start to see the public not as people who need you, but as people who make your life harder. It happened to me. 
  If that's you, you need to get out of the field. And I'm not saying that to be rude or hostile, I'm saying it for your own good. I was absolutely miserable towards the end of my career. I made shit money, slept like shit, and my company and patients treated me like shit. Leaving EMS is what finally allowed me to be happy again, and if you're missing that, there's no shame in finding a new field. Do it before you make a bad decision and it hurts somebody. You don't want that on your conscience. Remember why you joined this field. >
  
  Do people really call ambulances for things like that? The closest to that I’ve seen is my sister in law. It’s usually issues that she does need to be hospitalized for, but are not immediately life threatening (as in, they could’ve just driven to the ER themselves, she didn’t need immediate emergency services). I can’t fathom calling ems for anything other than the most dire health condition. >
  
  Yes, they do. 
  I’ve work in opioid abuse for over 5 years now and one popular thing I see addicts do is constantly go to the ER over anything. Not feeling good? ER. Headache? ER. That rather than get rest and take medicine their first instinct when they don’t feel good is to go to the ER, no insurance, and just waste time and resources.
  So yes, people absolutely call ambulances and go to the ER over the dumbest, smallest things, because addict or not, many people are incredibly selfish, rude, lack self awareness, have no critical thinking, and simply just don’t care. >
  
  I think a lot of it has to due with this need for instant gratification in America.  You see it in so many aspects of life (e.g. drugs, food, entertainment, etc.).  I wonder if other wealthy nations have a similar widespread problem of people using ambos as personal taxis.  I’ve since left that side of healthcare (4 years EMS and 5 in the ED) and I do not regret it one bit. >
  
  This is depressing to watch. Dude called for help. These people arrive to his house and treat him like shit. They seriously don’t care about this guy at all, and they’re supposed to save his life. >
  
  The cops, IMO, were helping.  When that Paramedic slams him @23:00.... I knew shit was downhill. >
  
  Didn't even have to make it to the slam to know shit wasn't right. The lady yelling at him to sit up, saying quit acting stupid, yelling I am not playing around tonight in his face, all before they ever even do anything was horrible. Disgusting treatment of another human, let alone one that is clearly in desperate need of help. >
  
  If this person was a chronic alcoholic with deteriorating health issues its quite possible that he was well known to the police and EMTs. I'm sure they were extremely exasperated with continued calls to help him only to see him not change his lifestyle at all.
  Unfortunately it ends up jading people to the insidious nature of the disease that is addiction, and people are treated as though they are simply suffering from a moral failure rather than the genuine comprehensive health issue that is chronic addiction.
  IMO this may explain their behavior, but I'd be careful to point out that explaining it is in no way the same as justifying it. >
  
  Then those people shouldn't be in the field they are in. I 100% understand, I've been in human services my whole adult life. It is really hard and exhausting  to give more of a shit about people than they give about themselves....but that's the job. And being an EMT is no different. You know you're going to get calls for addicts and people who do not care if they live or die, but you gotta take care of them just like anyone else. If you allow yourself to get to a point where you stop seeing people as people, it's time to look for a new job. >
  
  Definitely time to look for a new job I agree.  But if only it were so easy to find a new job.  Especially if your life's career was in the field. 
  Now you gotta look into schools, figure out a schedule, balance it with the 12 hr rotating shifts and mandatory overtime along with being mentally and physically exhausted after the jobs done.  You also gotta look to change your whole livelihood as far as finding another job that pays the same or more than your current one so that you can keep up with the payments for your mortgage, family, and/or rent.  If not, time to find a cheaper place which is a whole nother thing. >
  
  As a paramedic, I'm quite okay with them getting charged! 
  Cruel Bullshit like this literally kills people and is why EMS has no respect within the medical community. >
  
  Personally, I agree with charging them but I don't think they should have been charged with first degree murder.  How are they going to prove they intentionally murdered him with premeditation, unless there are some secret texts or social media posts they found discussing/planning it?
  We don't have all the details, but from the bodycam footage it seems like after much standing around and watching him struggle they got him flopping onto the gurney face down and they were too lazy, careless or crazy to reposition him.  They did not position him face down, though, so it seems like they qshould have been charged with 3rd degree murder--unintentional murder committed during an eminently dangerous act by someone with a depraved mind or without regard to human life.
  Edit: EMTs on this thread seem to think there must have been malice involved so could be 2nd degree.  The problem with 1st degree remains proving that they knew (not just that they should have known) it would lead to serious injury or death. >
  
  This isn’t law and order. You don’t need intent to kill for a first degree charge.
  Edit: you need to know that what you’re doing could reasonably kill someone. That is not the same as intent to kill them. It varies by state but this applies to most. >
  
  
  "compressional and positional asphyxia due to prone facedown restraint on a paramedic transportation cot/stretcher by tightened straps across back and lower body in the setting of lethargy and underlying chronic alcoholism."
  
  Does that mean one would not reasonably expect a person to die just from being strapped down in that way in the absence of those complicating factors? >
  
  Yes, anyone who’s strapped so tightly to a surface that their ribs can not expand will die >
  
  If "the setting of lethargy and underlying chronic alcoholism" were irrelevant it seems like it would not have been mentioned in the coroner's report. If it's relevant it seems to provide a defense against 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(2): "he or she knows that such acts create a strong probability of death or great bodily harm to that individual or another" >
  
  If your lungs can’t expand, you die, period. A perfectly healthy person would have died in his position. >
  
  Paramedic here. We don't carry patients prone (facing down), we carry them supine (facing up, or semi-sitting). Straps are necessary for safety/transport. The video is just cruel. This is clear malpractice. >
  
  Jesus Christ… I’m sure it gets tiring to deal with addicts day in, day out, but if you’re at the point of not treating them professionally, with compassion… it’s time to find a new line of work. >
  
  My buddy is EMS in Tacoma. Literally all he does is respond to homeless camps for drug related calls. He's getting out of it soon because he signed up to help people, not deal with violent crackheads 14 hours a day. >
  
  Likely shit pay as well. >
  
  I was mortified when I realized what my EMT buddies were being paid, even with overtime, in Oklahoma. That job was burning them all out because in order to get ahead they absolutely had to work overtime each week. They’ve all switched to much better careers at this point fortunately. 
  What I’m describing above is depressing, but then you think about what exactly they dealt with under these conditions on a day to day basis and it definitely becomes straight up evil that they are so underpaid in my opinion. Dead children, crackheads, grieving family members, morbidly obese and or mentally ill hoarders, Covid exposure during the height of the lockdown, and much much more. Nursing definitely sounds like a career that burns you out too, but I guess atleast their pay keeps you from being absolutely paycheck to paycheck.
  Sorry for the long rant. I think EMTs and Paramedics don’t get as much public appreciation as Fire or Police and they should. >
  
  As an RN, EMTs and paramedics are my heroes. What they do day and day out is honestly just unimaginable. Nurses get burned out too but the difference is there are so many different fields for a nurse to work in that if one has you ready to jump off a parking garage you can find a job somewhere else.  When working in the ICU made me passively suicidal I switched to working in the operating room and I’m much happier now. EMTs and paramedics don’t really have that kind of mobility. What they’re being paid is criminal. >
  
  Having been both an RN and an EMT, if the paychecks were even in the same ballpark, I'd still be in an ambulance. No question. >
  
  It’s always amazed me how much smarter most paramedics are than many RNs. The majority of what I have learned about reading EKGs has come from paramedics. It’s crazy just how in-depth they go in paramedic school and in nursing school we barely touch on just the basic rhythms. Forget about bundle branch blocks and junctional rhythms. >
  
  I know S-T elevation, and I can place 5 leads and tell you if it looks normal can I have a cookie?
  Bahahaha no but seriously most of the EMTs and Paramedics that bring me the goods are very pleasant to work with, give good report and handoff.
  At least in America I think the way we treat these people is insane. We're all so scared of socialism but audibly gasp when we get a 2000$ ambulance ride bill and learn the people actually driving that ambulance (edit: and obviously keeping the people inside it alive long enough to get to an 'advanced care facility') are probably getting paid 1/4th what a half decent bartender or stripper would make for \~double the hours and sometimes MUCH MUCH more difficult work. >
  
  For anyone that didn't read the article, he died of positional asphyxiation. Probably because they strapped him facedown. Also, considering their comments during the whole thing, they probably shouldn't have been paramedics. Being a medical professional requires a lot of patient empathy, and when you're that far gone, you need to find a new career. >
  
  maybe we should hire folks at better than 13 dollars an hour pay :) >
  
  Pfft, but how could the medical industry afford that while charging $1200 for an average Ambulance ride? >
  
  Former EMT here. My company charged a flat $2000 for an ambulance ride in 2013. >
  
  But the patient got to keep the ambulance afterwards, right? >
  
  Strapping a patient face down on a gurney is ridiculously unsafe in any circumstance and they absolutely should be charged. Source: am a nurse. Most EMS are absolute effing hardworking heroes, but I have run into some in my time that should not be working with the public at all. These two sound about like that. >
  
  Then their coworkers should have said something before they killed someone. >
  
  Absolutely; they probably both were known to be shit which is why they were paired with one another. >
  
  I bet they made countless addict patients' lives miserable and they were used to bullying and abusing. Went to far this time. >
  
  Who the fuck puts a pt face down on a stretcher? >
  
  EMT's who wish they were cops, apparently. >
  
  This was an absolutely preventable tragedy. We need better support systems for healthcare workers that allow them to either take a step back or find meaningful work in a field more in line with their needs if things aren’t working out.
  What they did is inexcusable, but there’s an underlying problem that needs addressing. >
  
  We have a thing in state called criminally negligent homicide. >
  
  i’d be worried if these two arrived at my house for an emergency >
  
  It’s not just burnout or overwork or even a bad day. This is how most Americans treat addicts.  Like they’re not even people. I get how gross dealing with a sloppy drunk or an addict feels. But if that is your job you need to learn how to treat them like human beings. 
  It’s societal, and certainly not exclusive to health or any kind of cater. They just have the “opportunity” to do a lot more damage. 
  You’ve heard about the multiple homeless murder victims, right? >
  
  Also, public service positions were once government positions. They paid well, were hard to get, and were funded by taxpayers.
  Now everything is privatized, hedge funds own the public service companies, and hire whoever will work cheapest. If these two were actual first responders under the former system that actually serves the people, they would have been rightfully retired by now with pensions. They are too old to be  walking into unknown situations.
  And where exactly do our tax dollars go now? Hell if I know.
  Privatized public service = corporate bullshit = zero concern for client or employee. Our medical, first response, and infrastructure fields have been destroyed by it. >
  
  Back when I was a Social Worker I have met quite a few EMTs that are absolute human garbage.
  I get that the job is tough and doesn’t pay well, but fuck, it’s time to move on when you get to that point.
  I switched careers out of Social Work and went into tech where I don’t have to deal with the public as soon as I felt like I couldn’t do what I needed to do. It happens. >
  
  I've worked with some burnt-out assholes in my 8 years of EMS, there are definitely people who need to leave the field or pivot to different roles. I'm almost done with nursing school, but I'd have stayed in EMS if the pay was half decent. I feel like the career medics are mostly pissed off old-timers who can't or won't change careers, but can't afford to retire. >
  
  Yes and the public suffers because of this. >
  
  Hopefully they face actual justice and do some time. You are an EMT, you gotta check your feelings and keep people alive. End Stage alcoholism is no fucking joke and they should have been professional enough to guess he might be near or at that stage and gave a damn about getting him to medical care alive. >
  
  The murder charges are completely justified, if he was just strapped face down then negligent homicide could be argued, but they made sure to strap him down as tight as they could and prevented him from being able to breathe, that showed intent instead of simply being bad at their job. >
  
  So, so sad and heartbreaking. This guy was trying to get better and they killed him. >
  
  If Finley " didn't  want to f*** with him " why be on the rescue squad.  I hope she gets time in jail. >
  
  All he wanted to do was get sober.  No one would help him.  He even had someone caring for and advocating for him, which is more than most have.  The last emergency personnel that could have been his savior just killed him.  
  This is why my alcoholism terrifies me.  If I hadn’t been able to afford tens of thousands of dollars of treatments, I’d be dead.  Most addicts don’t have the opportunities I’ve had.
  I know if I’m ever a poor old woman with no money for treatment, the world will gladly let me die in agony if I ever go back to drinking.  This is how we treat our fellow humans >
  
  💯😭 That is so tragic. He was still a young man. He could have gone on to do great things. There are people who loved him. That is not how you should die. >
  
  This is very disturbing. >
  
  I just wonder why would they put him into prone position. >
  
  Crazy that a huge part of the insanely expensive medical chain is a minimum wage paramedic >
  
  reprehensible behavior by both of these "providers" and I hope they lose their state cards and spend a long time in jail. absolutely no excuse for this. I've been a paramedic for a long time and even for the 3am drunk patient call, they're still another person and there is NEVER justification for what they did. It's negligence, carelessness, and murder. >
  
  Man after reading how they treated him they deserve it.
  No compassion or professionalism.  Strapping him face down? Wtf >
  
  Yes and also berating him..alcohol withdrawal is no joke and they should have been trained or had some experience with it.They both sound like they needed to move on from their job. They will now for sure! >
  
  Well she looks lovely. >
  
  That was her behavior with bystanders and knowing that she was being recorded. Can you imagine her off-camera performance? >
  
  Too bad they weren't cops. Then they would have gotten a nice paid vacation. >
  
  Some of the people in the comments are baffling me. It doesn’t matter if you’re burnt out, it still doesn’t give you an excuse to kill someone. >
  
  I think the point is that better conditions for healthcare workers could prevent cases like this. >
  
  Imagine it’s not great for your defense when all the witnesses are LEOs. Bet they plead to manslaughter or something though. >
  
  As an EMT (in another state) I hope the next headline I read about this says “paramedics in Illinois convicted of murder after patient dies” I watched the body cam footage from the scene, these two shouldn’t ever be near another patient again for the rest of their lives and should be thrown in jail for how they acted on scene. >
  
  My son is a paramedic.  He did say there were some in his profession who aren't as "sympathetic" as they should be.  Apparently these two were working as a team. >
  
  WTF, prone on a stretcher? You don't need a license or a certification to become a paramedic? >
  
  What the fuck. Restraining in prone position is not a thing. Definitely murder. >
  
  body cam footage of events led to death of man >
  
  Good. Fuck these assholes! >
  
  After watching the video, you realize there was zero sympathy for the victim.  The female paramedic looked angry for having to do her damn job and thank god this woman will never report to another emergency.  A person in crisis and those whose job it is to help are the complete opposite, disgusting >
  
  If people hate their jobs and dealing with the public then quit and find something find a field that suits you, like working at the sewer plant. >
  
  Paramedic here.  Watching the police body cams of this incident made me sick.  This medic crew was salty as fuck.   I once worked in a city where I averaged 12 calls on a 12 hour shift, getting my ass handed to me daily, and never talked to patients like that.  
  I’m not sure what the fuck this crew was thinking, but they haven’t paid attention to 30 years of training regarding positional asphyxiation.  It’s a case of complete gross negligence on behalf of these medics.  Alcohol withdrawal can be life threatening for some hardcore alcoholics, and they sealed his fate when they placed him face down. 
  Back before positional asphyxiation was recognized, it was common to put combative patients face down, strapped to the cot with a pole stretcher/backboard over them to eliminate the kicking and spitting.  It was affectionately known as a Bellevue sandwich in NYC. That shit went out of style around 1995.  
  Today, most if not all ambulances have soft restraints, and monitoring devices (EtCO2, SpO2) to watch for signs of respiratory compromise.   Obviously this crew did not monitor or treat their patient.  
  I agree with the charges.  On another note, doctors kill patients all the time and just pay out malpractice claims.  Nobody gets away with murder better than shitty doctors.