comment: >
  
  Yes, that's exactly what I originally posted. 
  20k to pay off my fees in full, hire a lawyer, and have a felony expunged for being a good boy the last 10 years and needing more money now that I have a family. 
  The 15k is for the lawyer.
context: The problem is the main people who would need to get out the most are also the people who are least likely to have the means to do so. >
  
  If I manage to get out because of my priveleged circumstances (job with international locations), you’d best believe I will turn right around and do everything in my power to help other people escape. I will find an organization, or I will fucking found one myself. I don’t know about the rest of the world but I won’t forget that I’m lucky to even have the option and I’ll use my privelege to help others. >
  
  Shouldn't be leaving. People are willing to just give up their homes and not fight is a huge issue. Thats what they want. You want freedom? The price is your life. No one every got anything by running away. 
  Conceding the country to fascists will have global implications we have never witnessed before. You thought the Nazis were bad. Holy shit if the Nazis had the military that the US has now they would have taken over the world >
  
  It'd help if people would take heed our cries of danger and attempts to organize instead of just calling us "dramatic" and ignoring the encroaching forces because they aren't directly influenced by these actions. I have tried for years attempting to call alarm to this stuff in my personal life and all it seems to have done is distance me from people who just want to ignore politics where they can and live their lives.  
  It's exhausting and demoralizing when the best efforts you can muster is a single person picket that people call you "crazy" for doing and trying to warn others that there's fascists trying to do fascist shit in this country. >
  
  This, exactly this. No one will fight for us. If I stand and fight, I will quickly die and everyone will say “oh how sad, well, onto our next story” and no one will want to discuss it because they “don’t like talking about politics.” I’m tired of asking the american people to step in. They won’t. We’re considered acceptable casualties and I won’t walk willingly into that fate. >
  
  Martyrdom isn't noble. Survive and tell your tale. Do what you must, all of you. I left and will help catch those who come after. I fear for my friends and family, especially those who are traditional targets, but now there is soft landing for them if they need to leave. This creates opportunity for others to escape last minute. You cannot build a better life for people and be a force for positive change if you are dead or otherwise hampered. 
  Right wing power structures are inflexible and do not last, they will eat their own eventually. Do not become a casualty. Nothing is learned when no voices are left to tell their stories. The left is too fragmented. There needs to be consolidation first for there to be a fight. Most of us aren't built to be revolutionaries, and that's ok. Violence is unnatural to us. Those that aren't fighters need to help those in need. >
  
  
  Martyrdom isn't noble
  
  Martyrdom is actually another means of psychological torture that authoritarians employ, similar to sin. 
  The whole purpose of glorifying it is twofold: Get rid of opponents that do not fight(the martyrs) and cause guilt  to the ones that survived , because they were not "selfless enough" to sacrifice and thus lesser than the martyrs.
  
  Right wing power structures are inflexible and do not last, they will eat their own eventually
  
  Which usually happens either by war because they turn outwards, or by regime ending revolution when oppression reaches boiling point. Both events are actually pretty nasty and it's better to avoid them if you can. >
  
  Yes, I'm a revisionist at heart, however, the bare minimum for balance has left the scale too long ago. This is not the first time that this has historically happened to a country and the left is less organised than it was a century ago. We're heading towards strange times, compounded by climate issues. Archeologically speaking, as it's my job, this means warfare and mass migration is imminent. >
  
  Thing is, what country is hankering for refugees from the Alabama of the world? >
  
  In fairness, as someone who lives in MA, my state is closer to Scandinavian countries in terms of education and job opportunities, safety, access to good healthcare etc.. it's more likely that a liberal from Alabama moves to MA than something like Finland or Sweden >
  
  This why there is going to be an inherent fracture of blue and red states. Not saying civil war, just some sort of fracture in power is coming.
  Blue states on the whole are better off financially, socially, and they will be damned to let the shitbag red states dicate to us.
  The repeal of Roe, for example, and the attempt by red states to chase down people who seek safe care in blue states is reminiscent of the fugitive slave act all over again. 
  Also, for those who are all about leaving the US we're too big, too powerful, to not have an effect wherever you would go if the crazies take over. The key is to strengthen our blue states against the tide and be ready to hold onto the ideals of the republic. >
  
  I've been a big fan of blue states cutting federal funding and diverting fed taxes to the state level if we continue down this path. 
  Break them fiscally. >
  
  This would of course be the ”small government” that is apparently the ideal. >
  
  Small government for me but not for thee. >
  
  Each state getting what they pay in sounds like a great idea. Blue state tax and blue state gain. I would carve out a interstate road system funding. We need that for national commerce. We don't want good truckers getting stuck in the south side of Chicago, LA, Detroit, and Portland. Need to be able to cruise right on by those places. California's moving trucks still need a path to Austin Texas as well. >
  
  As a Black American, we’ve already seen how bad things can get. Backlash to Reconstruction led ultimately to the Jim Crow era’s disenfranchisement, segregation, lynchings, coups, mass internal migration, ethnic cleansing, and more. It’s the stuff they don’t want taught in schools. 
  Black History is often seen as a stand-alone topic but it’s highly useful in explaining a lot of America’s political history and trajectory. >
  
  And not just for Black Americans; all POCs history has been readily removed as to not offend (some) Caucasian's delicate sensibilities. >
  
  Not all caucasians, just saying >
  
  Hah fixed that. ✌ >
  
  “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched… Hey, where you going?” >
  
  I remember watching an episode of the Handmaids Tale a while back where one of the characters, who is a lesbian and works at a university, gets outed by one of her students, has a gay coworker who is hung from a balcony, and ends up trying to flee to Canada with her wife and child, but gets stopped because they don’t legally recognize her as the child’s parent because her wife was the one who carried the child.  
  That episode is starting to look a lot less like fiction. >
  
  The whole damn series is on the brink of becoming our reality. >
  
  I said this when the SCOTUS went red and got downvoted, so I’m glad that people are finally realizing this. >
  
  Don’t take the down votes seriously. The roving bands of r/qonservative vigilantes can strike anywhere, anytime. >
  
  Haha, yeah I don’t, just happy people realize that it being a reality isn’t too far fetched at this point >
  
  It's probably worth trying first to move to a blue state and see how that goes for now. It'd be cheaper and easier than moving overseas, and you should be fine through 2024. Then we'll have to see what happens that year. Moving abroad is quite expensive after all. >
  
  I know 4 people now who are leaving the US to go to Europe. The violence is the last straw but the cost of a university education, healthcare and the minimum wage were already pushing them.
  If you're in high school now, learn a European language and get a great education without putting yourself into indentured servitude. Germany is probably your best bet. >
  
  If the minimum wage was a problem for them how are they moving to Europe? It is a very expensive process. >
  
  Poor people manage to move to different countries all the time — America and Europe currently have huge amounts of folks coming in, often with very little money. It is difficult, of course, but it is possible, and the incentives are high.
  Most places in Germany have a lower cost of living than major cities in the US. Finding a job can be difficult, of course, depending on what you're doing, but it is possible. The visa itself costs $100 (a company may cover this cost), and the flight from the US can be as low as $400. Many apartments come furnished, and a lot of furniture can be found for free. I saved loads on rent by moving, personally.
  Obviously there are many other costs, but I have friends that were below the poverty line in the US that managed to move to Germany, and the quality of life at minimum wage is way higher in Germany than in the US, where you can barely get by.
  Edit: I'm curious why this is being downvoted. This is all first-hand information, y'all. If anyone needs help immigrating to Germany, don't hesitate to PM. Just went through it all last year. It is a super long and annoying process, but it is not necessarily expensive. >
  
  Highly qualified foreigners or Intra-corporate transferees. These are the requirements I found for Germany. There also needs to be a job offer already in place. How would someone making minimum wage qualify? >
  
  This is just incomplete information. These are the easiest ways to get into the country by far, but there are other paths. A freelance work visa isn't terribly difficult to get if you have contacts in the country (and you can make these contacts during a 3-month tourist visa stay, available automatically to all Americans).
  Several of my friends were able to have their visa sponsored by a minimum-wage coffee-shop job. You can also get a job-seeking visa, an educational visa, a language-learning visa. These all allow you more time than a 3-month tourist visa, and while you are not legally allowed to work during that time, it buys you time while you find someone to sponsor the visa.
  Obviously being poor doesn't look great on a visa application. I'm not at all saying moving to Germany is easy. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone working a minimum wage job in America, because it is a risky move and a lot of work. But if you really want it, there are options.
  I just went through the whole visa process, and several of my friends here did as well, over the last few years. I can guarantee that you don't need to be highly qualified or an intra-corporate transferee. I'm curious where you found this information. >
  
  That was the requirements for an employment visa, not a long-stay visa. >
  
  Yes, for this visa, that makes sense. But there are several ways to get into Germany and work. >
  
  What country do these people think they can move to that isn't facing the exact same threat, or worse, of the rise of far right extremism?
  This is a global issue, not an exclusively American one.
  Canada has a rising far right extremism
  The UK, Germany, France, Italy, etc. Etc. All have rising factions of right wing extremism.
  Israel has its most right wing government in history.
  Where do these people expect to flee? >
  
  I think my wife and I have discussed New Zealand or Finland. Both aren't perfect, but no country is. >
  
  Terrorizing minorities is by design and part of a larger plan.  What the GQP wants is for red states to be as inhospitable as possible to the political left. 
  You know, like ISIS.  Seriously. 
  Jihadists are not looking to topple the west with a car bomb.  Their goal, in part, is to foment an anti-Muslim sentiment because they don’t want Muslim diaspora, they want Muslims as far away from Western culture as humanly possible.  They want their people to be as concentrated as possible so as to exert maximum political and social pressure. 
  They want their brothers to come home.
  For decades, the political right has done everything it can to make their numbers count more because they realize their party ceases to exist otherwise.  The conservative demographic is dying, quite literally.  Each new generation becomes less and less interested in their backwards asses but they’ve got a pretty big range of tricks to tip the scales away from democracy. 
  Gerrymandering. Redistricting. Closing voting locations. Cutting off the USPS at the knees to slow mail voting.  VoterID.  These are the first volleys in an assault on democracy. 
  What’s plan B if all the skullfuckery doesn’t result in a GQP caliphate?
  Concentrate forces geographically.  It’s better to hold all of the power in half the country than it is to hold no power across the nation.  Concentration of forces itself is a force multiplier.  In the case of the GQP, it also results in more groupthink because the differing views were running out of town.
  It may seem backwards for a party to seemingly go out of its way to alienate the moderates and enrage its opponents.  The political right’s plan for the next 20 years might be hidden in plain sight.
  
  If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.
  
  
  David Frum >
  
  This is the outcome they want >
  
  Had a friend move his family from TX to CO. There daughter is trans and the language and implications of staying in TX is too harsh. >
  
  I don't think it's dawned on us that trans people and their families fleeing Texas are, by no stretch of the imagination, refugees escaping politically-motivated persecution and oppression. >
  
  They could probably sue and win. >
  
  Sorry to say that Canada, like every country in the “free world” has its fair share of the far right. Trump’s election empowered them. Now they are unafraid to shout their hate at every opportunity. Stand up to them…they’re bullies…if you run…they win. >
  
  If we were in that kind of danger where Americans were fleeing the country because of right-wing policies, we’d have two major problems: 1) other western countries likely have or are headed in the same direction. What you’re not liking here is the same thing you’re not going to like somewhere else after spending a lot of time and money getting there. 2) the people who would be in most danger by staying here are least likely to be granted residency in any other country. Most of the gay or black or disabled Americans I know who would be direct targets if a right-wing force took over have no ability to ‘just leave’. Many barely survived high school & wouldn’t qualify for any high-level degree status places like Canada are looking for. If you’re not rich or don’t have a doctorate or are over 45, forget it. The people who would probably be fine no matter what happens because they’re so rich would be the first ones out of here. >
  
  I'm black and I wouldn't go to Europe to expatriate, I would more likely to go to and African country which has its own set of issues but then I would be from a position of being an American and I wouldn't go to a poor country broke with no skills to earn money >
  
  It's a "brain drain" too. People leaving are usually younger, more educated,  mire tolerant, more intelligent... Soon all that's left will be anti-science, hateful, bigoted morons. >
  
  People in the US have been so saturated by patriotic messaging from infancy that even the "rebels" don't quite get the extent to which American media fishbowl saturation is so thorough and pervasive.  The messaging even convinces minorities that somehow it's a huge and risky downgrade to move to a country where half the government isn't actively working to destroy  you.
  But the US - along with Hungary & Brazil - is one of the only countries on Earth where progress has backslid over the past decade.   And it ranks behind several developed countries in quality of life measurements:
  
  Human Development Index   17th out of 189GDP 
  (PPP) per capita  9th out of 183GDP 
  (nominal) per capita  8th out of 183
  Where-to-be-born Index    13th out of 71
  Human Poverty Index   17th out of 19
  
  Or people crowing "we're the freest country in the world!" when America ranks 14th in global freedom index.
  None of that is bad taken in isolation, but it's like one of those companies that sell an ordinary product but spend a ton of money on advertising their brand identity as better than everyone else's.  America is the Monster Cable of developed countries. >
  
  Yup. I might be one of them. I'm waiting to see how this election goes before making a decision. Life is just too short to be voluntarily living with idiots. >
  
  Especially ones who hate your skin. >
  
  Or my children.
  That's what's led me and the wife to start looking.  (At another state.  We're not leaving the country.) >
  
  I don't socialize in my hick region. I'm hoping to get enough money together to move elsewhere soon.  Hopefully, the election will keep me around longer. I'll stay as long as I think the nation is worth saving and able to be saved. I'm also single, so it helps that I have no one that I'm really responsible for. My mom's white, but she's even considering a gun because the evil will attack anyone who sympathizes with something they don't like. >
  
  I'm a white, cisgender heterosexual male with blonde hair, blue eyes and Germanic ancestry. I am the sort of person white supremacists talk about with their 14 words. Yet even I have an evacuation plan in mind when all those other characteristics about myself no longer matter, and me being autistic, progressive and atheistic is what matters.
  Because that's what happens when an ideology is so prominently built on an "Us vs. Them" mentality: eventually some of those Us' have to become Them's... >
  
  I think you make a good point, but I also want to say that if you feel like being blonde and blue-eyed is what keeps you safe currently, the country is pretty fucked. Not saying you should evacuate now, just that the situation is bad. >
  
  I 1000% agree with you that the county is pretty fucked. I recently joined the Satanic Temple as I fully expect the "freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion" crowd to eventually get around to limiting my rights without some form of religious membership. >
  
  I’m a white male and I’m scared as fuck. Just because I like to read. >
  
  What are you reading for? >
  
  Well, looks like we got ourselves a reada! >
  
  Please stay, organize, and vote. >
  
  There comes a point when voting isn’t enough. I love Nashville, I wanted to spend my entire life there, but with a Republican supermajority at the state level they’re free to take blue strongholds and break them up and gerrymander them so that they turn red. >
  
  The last thing any of us should do, is leave, like it or not, with the financial and military power the US has, something each of us should be held responsible or complicit into, letting this country be owned by a bunch of fascists means there's nowhere in the world that would be safe to live free in.. >
  
  Right wing wack jobs are already ahead of you on that. Tucker Carlson thinks the US should “liberate” Canada with armed forces. >
  
  I'm a dual citizen of a country that's now basically a military dictatorship, like it or not, we can't let this country, with its power be in the hands of vermin just because we seem incapable of presenting a united front. >
  
  Good luck. It's almost impossible to be accepted into another country. If you got any disability inckuding mental disabilities you mine as well just wait until someone knocks on your door at home. It's also incredibly expensive and you have to pay upward of 5000$ just to revoke your citizenship so you no longer have to pay taxes in the US. >
  
  Ya I'm reading comments here everyone saying they want to leave, but unless you're sponsored by an employer or have highly desirable skillset, the only places that are going to allow anyone through immigration are places worse than US. >
  
  You never know… Several years ago I was given permanent residency in New Zealand due to just a BA in Theatre and some work experience at a theatre. (I didn’t renounce US citizenship, but I don’t owe US taxes due to the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion. I just have to file every year.)
  As for disabilities, I don’t know the details, but I do know that NZ will consider medical conditions, BMI, etc. when deciding, so that’s an issue. >
  
  Damn, I didn't know being fat disqualified you from NZ permanent resident status. >
  
  I really want to leave. I just don't know if I can. I know that my job could carry over well enough in English speaking countries, but I don't know if I could logistically leave my entire life behind me >
  
  As a transwoman in Texas, I have always sneered at people who would run away rather than stay and fight. These days I'm rethinking that strategy and I'm genuinely thinking about it. Unfortunately, I'm also too old to emigrate to most places. Canada for example will let me visit but won't let me stay. An ignoble end for someone who has worked all her life, served her country and just wants to be left alone but if that's my fate, so be it. I'll make it as hard on them as I possibly can to put me away. >
  
  Yeah, we see a lot of people from the US saying they will move here if X happens but I doubt many of them are aware of how rigorous our immigration standards are.  If you're over 40 you can probably forget it regardless of your other qualifications. >
  
  why wouldn't they want retirees with disposable income moving there?
  I mean  get that they don't contribute much to having kids. but the money they bring would be a benefit to the economy. >
  
  
  why wouldn't they want retirees with disposable income moving there?
  
  Because one of the big attractions in moving to Canada is our universal health care.  As an older person you are the biggest drain on that system, and yet as a recent immigrant you have contributed nothing to it over the course of  your lifetime.
  Also we want people to move here who contribute skilled labour, which is why the points system is weighted towards young people with education and credentials. >
  
  i see. thanks for the explanation >
  
  Fleeing to where?
  These white supremacists are infesting any 'white' country and you have equally bad 'nationalists' who have it out for any group but their own in other places.
  Its crazy how so many African countries are friendly to Russia considering Putin is at the bottom of a lot of the white supremacist/nationalist propaganda, trying to create division and chaos across the world (a lot of this 'good feeling' is probably a left over from USSR times where they were falsely posing as champions of the  3rd world) >
  
  Please do not leave.
  The MagaQ wave is literally dying of old age.  Don’t buy the bullshit that they’re being replaced as quickly as they die by a younger generation.  This lie is NOT born out by ANY credible demographic research.
  What’s more, MANY conservative voters have become aware that their politicians intend to fuck them out of their Social Security and their Medicare and Medicaid. >
  
  Biden give people hope things would turn around, but three year later abortion is increasingly under threat, GOP have the house and likely the Senate in 2024.
  At one point people need to save themselves. >
  
  
  At one point people need to save themselves
  
  With all due respect, fuck that shit.  That means we surrender and that’s just not my style.  It’s protypically American to stand and fight.  
  I love MY country; I’m staying. >
  
  Fuck yeah. We've been consistently getting more progressive as a country over the years. The death rattle of boomer conservatives doesn't scare me. They know they've lost the culture war and they're desperate to have Gen X and Gen Y pick up the mantle. This will backfire just like every other conservative venture. >
  
  For the moment, the west coast and north east remain relatively safe >
  
  I certainly have a plan to do so. I'm a brown Latino who currently resides in redneckville, USA. It would be foolish not to. Unfortunately, I'm also poor. It's hard tobsave to leave. >
  
  So fascists will win?  NO! >
  
  Let's hope that MLK was correct about the arc of history. >
  
  I’d happily leave, given the chance. >
  
  My son who is 14 and part of the LGBTQ group is looking at being a nurse and leaving for Europe.  He doesn’t like where this country is going. >
  
  "Consider emigrating" are the keywords. They didnt leave lol,. they polled a bunch of teens that said America sucks and they were going to go live abroad. Its hilarious at best and a weak attempt to fool a fool at least. This is from a news site with a 71% rating on "factualization". I remember when Seal and Heidi Klum did this during the McCain  run but they already had dual citizenship lol, its laughable. I romanticize about going and getting a cabin in Hobbiton as well, but I doubt its happening in droves. >
  
  I’m sorry this piece is full of crap. Tell me you know nothing about the outside world without telling me.
  I have traveled and I can say without a doubt America has problems but it’s probably one of the best if not the best place to be a minority (meaning if you are a minority of any ethnicity America is the best place). Europe is very racist against brown and black people, the East Asian countries as well. 
  I would say the only countries that doesn’t really discriminate against skin color are the Latin American countries but then You have to deal with corruption galore. >
  
  Canada enters chat… >
  
  I know this is coming from a somewhat privileged place, but there really is very few places to run, the US is the belly of the beast - we deal with problems here otherwise they will spill over to other places through out the world. >
  
  If you don't think Fascism will eventually follow you wherever you go, you're mistaken. May as well dig in and fight where you are. >
  
  It's literally happening everywhere. You either stay and fight or you flee somewhere else just to delay. >
  
  Given that the people "fighting" inspire no confidence, delay seems pretty good in comparison.
  All the vague nationalists in this thread act like there's some mysterious secret army you can join to "save the country." There isn't. There's some idiots that think you can fight extremism with incrementalism, random people with no plan or organization, and some people murmuring about trusting the process even while following the process is clearly not working. There's no real force you can just join up with and change anything, and the majority of people aren't suited to be a once in a lifetime historical leader and start their own organization either.
  I'm not happy about thinking in terms of "living longer but still dying early", but the core part of that phrase is "living longer" >
  
  Assuming that the average American could even get into another country, the grass isn’t necessarily any greener.  We tend to only know about vacation areas when we travel. >
  
  The grass may not be greener, but there's usually unlimited sick days. >
  
  Sure, but you'll need to check off a few boxes if you want one of those countries to accept you.  You'd better be highly skilled and white.  They leave that part off of the travel posters.  The people that would benefit the most from living in those countries would never get in. >
  
  The United Kingdom is one of the top destinations for American expats. The two countries have long-standing historical, political, and cultural ties. As well, the United Kingdom offers Americans superb opportunities for work, travel, and study. >
  
  The advent of the Trump administration and the rising political instability in the U.S. that’s followed in its wake have spurred increased interest in dual citizenship. The r/AmerExit subreddit, made up of Americans hoping to move abroad, saw “thousands” of new users join after the Supreme Court’s Dobbs ruling, according to the group's founder. >
  
  The right should move to Iran or Saudi Arabia. They share a lot of the same “moral values”. Money and bigotry. >
  
  I'm fortunate enough to have a PhD in a STEM field, so if the fascists take over I intend to be in New Zealand before those idiots start World War 3 against China. >
  
  PHD in Stem… as a Kiwi I’m pretty sure we’d take you in. 
  The problem I’ve experienced with some ex Americans here is that they start talking anti tax rhetoric, get angry about our gun laws, and basically sound like they’re still in Texas etc, never realising it’s those bullshit individualistic ideals that got their former home in a divided mess.  If they come here they need to understand that we  try (and somewhat fail) at having functional communities and a national spirit of cooperation… like America proposes to do. >
  
  yeah. despite all the rhetoric about community we hear from amongst ourselves. very few of us understand that really entails. >
  
  Everyone should find jobs in Europe. Work live balance is a myth in the US >
  
  Europe has double the unemployment rate and population density of the United States. I'm an American but I don't think this is the answer most Europeans are interested in. >
  
  Exactly lol, outside Scandinavia, most Western European countries are about on par with wealthier US states (CA, MA, etc.) 
  It’s much cheaper just to move within the US for basically the same QoL >
  
  I would be lying if I said this did not factor into my decision to be an expat. >
  
  Moving away makes the problem worse for people who can't.
  The bigots get more powerful, and it's easier for them to live in denial of reality.
  Don't get me wrong, I don't resent or judge anyone for moving to escape persecution and the frustration of living among obstinate people.
  We should just know what to expect. >
  
  Pretty sure it’s more about the bipartisan effort in the US to destroy its economics by supporting monopolies, more than it is anything political. At least that’s what I see. >
  
  I’m straight white male and I want to flee this cesspool. I can’t imagine how the marginalized feel. >
  
  My wife and I are both high earners, and she has tri-citizenship.
  We are seriously considering taking our talents to another country. 
  This place is simply turning into a shit hole, and many Americans I just find embarrassing and trashy. Don’t want them as neighbors. >
  
  
  Polling by Gallup of 1,000 Americans aged 15 and older indicated that [...] they hoped to leave the country permanently
  
  Saying you want to leave doesn't mean you left, it means you hate your country, bad enough to want to leave. Which is fine as long as you don't misunderstand what the poll results mean.
  Politics isn't the only reason that you might want to leave permanently, but it's probably the reason for an increase in wanting to leave under Trumpian rule. You want to leave to retire because even Medicare (if you are old enough to qualify for it) is expensive and low quality. You will pay less for better care sometimes in 3rd world countries, and always in 2nd or 1st world. The end result of that is you will enjoy better quality of life for no more money. >
  
  Moved to the UK >
  
  England has its issues but not nearly as bad as back stateside >
  
  Probably because the states are gerrymandered to red fucking hell and the blue ones are expensive af to move to. >
  
  I’m genuinely curious what leads to the decision to leave the country. I’ve had friends that left their cities or states, it just feels exponentially easier to go to a part of the states that better represents you. >
  
  I read a fascinating book Deep Survival by Gonzalez. It tells a variety of true stories about survival after disasters. In the story of a major shop sinking, the book made some interesting points. First, while there were a lot of casualties, many of the people who saw that the ship was sinking, climbed to the top of the superstructure, which bought them enough time to be rescued and save their lives. Second, not everyone climbed to the top. Some didn't seem to notice or believe that the ship was sinking. Other people froze in place and didn't move. Many of those people died. 
  When I read history about the fascist period of the 20th century, many people had no options, but some refused to flee even though they knew things were getting dangerous and others just didn't notice problems in time. 
  I personally don't believe that the fascists will take over here in this century, but I am staying aware. It could happen in the US. >
  
  Ya ummm no >
  
  Heh, my family moved here from Germany in the run up to wwii to escape the Nazis.   Imagine moving back to Germany to….escape the Nazis?  Unfortunately it was somehow easier for them to leave Germany in the 1930s than it is for me to leave the US in the 2020s >
  
  I’m staying. If they kill me, then fine. I ain’t letting no wimpy Christians take my country. >
  
  There are more of us than them. I’m not going anywhere. The violent far right can kiss my southern ass. >
  
  I’m just going to remind some of you in the comments, that there just might be other comparisons you can make besides Nazi Germany. >
  
  sounds like a great way to accelerate a far right take over.  guess it's better then resisting because why do something a little hard.
  obligatory /s >
  
  The big problem with this is that this just makes the country go further and further back because only the extremists are left behind. Same with people leaving one state for the other, especially when people of similar political beliefs all flock to the same state or group of states, it compacts those people into a few states leaving all the other states to be overran by the people that the flee-ers ran away from.
  It's sad but the only real way for the group as a whole to combat this is that if you are capable of doing so, to actually mass move to the problem locations and force them to become better, though I totally understand people picking the selfish choice, can't say I would do different if it was up to me. >
  
  New Republic = clickbait >
  
  If you are deadset on leaving America, I won't judge you.
  If you're on the fence, and you live in a blue state, consider joining your local independence movement instead. We can fundamentally transform our own communities for the better if we untether ourselves from Redneckistan. >
  
  I emphasise with the sane americans and if they can live better and safer lives abroad, go for it.
  However, i do not like the prospect of sane americans leaving the country because it eventually leaves the GOP idiots in charge of the nukes etc >
  
  I left when Obama was in office cause I thought the Tea Party bullshit was crazy. Watching the crazy double down has been insane. Mind you I lived in the relatively safe blue bubble that is NYC, but I had to gtfo. Blue states are still the best choice for folk who don't have means to move abroad. And moving abroad has it's own host of issues to contend with. >
  
  You know we have a Second Amendment, so you can fight back against that stuff, right? Armed minorities are harder to oppress. I suggest looking into the SRA, NAAGA, and the FPC. All these organizations support safely arming and training marginalized communities. 
  Don't run. Fight. This is YOUR home, too. >
  
  Not just minorities, the super poor >
  
  Come to California!!! All of y'all. We DO have the room. Not in orange county, or los Angeles, or the Bay Area, but there are HUGE swaths of the inland state underdeveloped. Our Governor literally put out a commerical in Florida telling people to escape Desantis and come to CA. >
  
  thought it was too expensive in Ca. would love to leave texas behind! >
  
  In major cities it’s very expensive. However living more inland can actually be quite cheap. I’ve lived all over the state. 
  Obviously, living in the hot spots of LA are going to be different than somewhere like Livermore. >
  
  So… no actual data. A poll conducted with 15 year olds and an unknown subreddit that got a few thousand subs are the only numbers referenced to back this up. The author is a gay man. This is just pearl clutching nonsense. 99.9% that say they are leaving America are full of shit.  This is just another example of taking extreme opinions from a tiny minority and trying to pretend that they are widespread.  We get it… gay marriage should be legal and a handful of government officials across the country are trying to throw a wrench in those plans. It is what it is, take the good with the bad. If you really think there’s a country out there better suited for you to prosper, stop talking about leaving and just go?  It’s like a spouse threatening to leave… if you are that miserable then fucking leave, find a way to make it happen for yourself.  It isn’t that difficult to move to a state that is more suited for your preferences, even if it isn’t another country. Save up for a year or two and just go. You’re not a victim or a prisoner, be an adult and figure out a plan and relocate. It isn’t rocket science.  Most people just wanna sound like rebellious badasses while actually doing nothing. >
  
  My best friend is in London and is a citizen of the UK. She has offered to sponsor me and my kid if we want to leave. My kid has to finish college first and then we’ll be seriously thinking about it >
  
  I always hear from others, usually around election time, that if so-and-so wins they are moving to Canada.  Its funny how people think they can just move to another Country, and its an easy/fast process.  Also Canada does not want you or any other American, they won't want our crap. >
  
  A substantial portion of the alt-right originates from Canada. The issue is more along the lines of their government being unwilling to improve material conditions. >
  
  This article is rough.
  Right now only 9.4 Million Americans live abroad. It is not easy to leave the United States. Generally those who able to leave have the means to be able to do so. There isn't much of an incentive to take on working class Americans because we would be placed in a secondary citizen status. For some working class Americans that sounds great, "Why can't I work at the French equivalent of McDonalds? I'll still be treated better than America."
  Stricter requirements are a challenge. Culture and language is a big challenge as well.
  If you leave the US you have the means to do so despite the desire.
  Finally, the end of Roe is a travesty and is going to tear America apart. We aren't there yet and I would encourage people to actually stay in the United States because the older conservatives are dying out and we will be the majority. We just have to be patient.
  I will say one final thing though and this will be the best indication its time to GTFO. Most Jewish Americans can go to Israel with little to no issues. If American Jews start leaving then that is a really good indicator of needing to get the hell out of America and as quickly as possible.
  EDIT: I have no idea how high the bar is, but it is possible that US citizens could request asylum in other countries based on what their status of persecution is. For LGBTQ+ Americans you have to run the risk of serious harm with no protections in this country. >
  
  Another author with main character syndrome.  The anecdote about getting shit on by a bird really added a lot to the article.
  There is so much wrong with this idiot's take.  If that's the way you feel, then there's nothing else to say but "bye."  You won't be of any help anyway.  And your opinion isn't worth dissecting.  
  Meanwhile, decent people are putting in the work to beat back the fascist bigots.  The bigots are old, dying, scared and losing.  They aren't going to win. >
  
  Nice sentiment...hard to get behind when you're worried your neighbors are going to kill you simply for existing. >
  
  Oh please go. >
  
  I have what's considered a very desirable skillset. One that is always advertised as an instant job ticket here in the states but always described as an easy visa in other countries. But I can't even get work here, much less another country lol. I don't want to say it's because I'm one of those icky trans people. But...I'm starting to think that's totally the case as this point. >
  
  What field do you work under? >
  
  Software. I can do software development, but mostly specialize in devops and cloud based development >
  
  As someone who has recently immigrated to a new country (Switzerland) from the US, I will say that this was definitely a factor in me leaving. The political situation is too tense and I think will innevitably lead to a civil war in my lifetime. It is amazing to live in a country where the things that people fight about are the material well-being of the population and not meaningless culture-war bullshit. America has so much potential that is wasted by the current cultural fixations we have. >
  
  Is it the same people who said they were leaving the country when trump got elected? >
  
  I'd love to get the fuck out. 
  But it's really fucking hard to emigrate. Permanent visas don't grow on trees, especially for unpopular minority demographics.
  I don't know if it is possible for me or most people to move somewhere safer. >
  
  Cowardly and irresponsible approach. 
  Just makes things more difficult for the people who are left behind, and doesn't guarantee you actually escape any problems. >
  
  Oh no! 
  So anyway...
  American will be fine without them >
  
  I'm a single black woman who bought her own house.  I've been wondering if that was a mistake. Maybe I should have taken the money I saved and moved somewhere else. But that begs the question where can a POC go and not have to deal with backlash/racism?   But I also wonder how long before my very existence is considered illegal.  I moved to a blue state but the Republicans seem to be okay with over reach when it comes to their authority. >
  
  You good, I'm a single black man veteran and homeowner and I aint going no damm where.  Black people already seen worse than this during Reconstruction and Jim Crow.  These current politics is encroaching on white progressive freedom of choice and rights they need to man up and fight back like black people did for the last couple of hundred years >
  
  Yes we must be terrified of white nationalist killing g minorities. Its not like some of the most dangerous places in the US for minorities are due to gang violence made up of the same minorities. This is hyperbolic and nutty. >
  
  What kind of cowards are these people?  I thought Americans were supposed to have a little more backbone than this. 🙄 Good fucking riddance and I’m as liberal as it gets. >
  
  They aren’t going to find peace abroad. Nobody really likes Americans. >
  
  Probably depends a lot on who you are and where you go. >
  
  We don't want them in Canada. We have enough shit here. >
  
  What if we politely asked ‘please’? >
  
  A caravan to Canada??!! Damn immigrants. >
  
  Glad to be from the Atlantic Northeast I guess. Or Mid Atlantic if we're getting super technical but I don't share a whole lot in common with the rest of that. >
  
  I feel very lucky to be living in the Seattle metropolitan area, especially as a liberal socialist on the autism spectrum, and who had a front row seat at the madness in Wyoming for 23 years.
  As a result, I don't see myself needing to flee, if the worst comes, but I do find myself fearing what lies on the other side of the Cascades. 
  However, if it cones down to it, and if I get enough of an advanced warning, I will be fleeing to Vancouver. I've thought about how I'd do it too, probably to an unhealthy amount. Hell, the company I work for may even end up arranging it.
  Hopefully, it'll never come to that, but I find my pessimism is often proven right more than not. >
  
  Go where you feel safe.   Everyone should leave if they are that worried or scared. >
  
  Strongly considering this myself. I have no interest in living in a Christian talibani theocratic dictatorship. Neither will anyone else about thirty years in (See recent Iran for informative details) but I don't have that kind of time. >
  
  Land of the "free." >
  
  I want to say "if you leave, they win", but I'm a white guy who has nothing to fear (as long as I keep my mouth shut). If it was my life and/or the lives of my family I'd get the hell out here, too. >
  
  I’ve also had a lot of these thoughts. I have a young child now and if I have the means, why wouldn’t I try to live where I can provide her the best future? >
  
  I don't think there will be a place on earth that will be safe if the far right takes full control of the US government. They will definitely become expansionist, and they will embolden their fascist allies around the world to wreak havoc. >
  
  Wtf are you guys talking about >
  
  I think people are talking about the article that was posted, on which you’re commenting. >
  
  Umm no shit? My “wtf are you talking about” was in a “this doesn’t actually exist” way, not actually asking what they were talking about. But then again, I think you knew that and are trying to be cheeky. >
  
  If we could leave we would. Custody orders keep us in this shit hole. >
  
  It do be like that: "oh I'm sorry, you were accused of a crime 10 years ago, we can't let you in our country." Do you even know how low the bar is to arrest someone in the US? The bar is literally at "could have happened probabilistically." That's it, could have possibly happened. Then you are punished for the accusation without speedy trial. >
  
  Yep. 
  Don't know why I'm downvoted though. 
  Literally was young and dumb and cleaned myself up and am married now but that mistake will follow me around for rest of life. >
  
  I believe there is a way to have your record expunged after a certain amount of time, but I'm no lawyer