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  Here have my left nut.
context: Ah yes, because no dystopian future novel has ever started with "and then the government started to harvest organs from prisoners" :/ >
  
  It’s literally Unwind by Neal Shusterman, I remember the big bads were trying to get a bill to make prisoners go through the unwind process. >
  
  The 'Gil Hamilton' stories by Larry Niven. No prisons on Earth. It's either a fine or you're broken down for parts. Earth has 20 something billion people. >
  
  Also: "A Gift from Earth", by Lary Niven - Where a colony in space is divided into former crew and the passengers, with the crew ruling over everyone, and the passengers getting their organs taken for any little infraction to grant the crew essentially eternal life. >
  
  As a haemophiliac who was lucky to be born two decades after the infamously terrible blood plasma donation scandal (here in the UK) - this sounds like a terrible idea. >
  
  Wait, what? Infamous blood plasma donation? >
  
  Love a happy ending
  “No government, healthcare or pharmaceutical entity in the UK has admitted any liability in the scandal. “ >
  
  This is your reminder that the 13th Amendment banning slavery makes an exception for prisoners.  
  If/when they send you to prison, you are a slave.  This is how they get away with 'paying' you $1 dollar for a day's labor. >
  
  Here’s your pay for assembling shelving we will use in our government buildings.  Oh you want to call your mom this week?  I’ll takkkke that right back. Thanks. >
  
  It's obscene and absolutely soul-crushing to realize that we're all potential slaves to the state. >
  
  Incorrect.
  We are slaves to the entities that control the state: the aristocracy.
  The state is the only means the masses have against the aristocracy. However, when the aristocracy controls food, media, housing, and education, they have little issue turning the masses against the state as a fall guy.
  The state is a tool. The masses have abdicated any responsibility for maintaining the state and checked out; Leaving the aristocracy further in control of the only tool that can control them.
  Hating the government is a narrative fed to the poor by the rich. >
  
  sounds like something someone poor would say >
  
  You can look at my post history for my car if you want to play that game. 🤣 >
  
  wow you are proud of owning a car? another thing a poor person would say lmao >
  
  You know a lot of poor people with $170k cars? >
  
  I know one. >
  
  Lmao based >
  
  The true goal has arrived.  The merging of the criminal justice system and the private healthcare market.  These laws will pop up and jails will become the plasma donation centers of body organs. >
  
  *slow clap in economics* >
  
  Nobody questioned how Steve got his 100 years sentence reduced to just 5 after donating 10 kidneys, four lungs and 20 corneas. >
  
  Nothing says they have to be your organs.  Serial Killer Steve walks out of court for 'Time served or organs donated' >
  
  This just shows that our punishment system has nothing to do with keeping the public safe, or Justice for that matter. >
  
  I get where the fear comes from, but how is organ donation, and incentivization to donate, not a good thing for public safety? >
  
  Why haven't you given your organs up for public safety, citizen? Please report to the nearest detention center. >
  
  Why do you think that's the natural conclusion of this? There have been and will continue to be prison initiatives that lower sentences for doing good deeds. What you are describing is an unrealistic scenario, the government doesn't really have any incentive to do that. In any case, most organ donations occur after the donor has died, so why are you more scared about prison giving an option, in which the outcome will only probably affect you after death? >
  
  It was a joke, but even in the context of prisoners being offered the chance to give up their organs, this is still pretty awful. This is creates all the worst incentives, especially when paired up with America's high recidivism and private prisons. >
  
  It's not like they are giving away all of their vital organs. It also doesn't decrease a person's sentence by much, like 6 months to a year was the max.
  While recidivism is a problem, and prisons should be transitioning into rehabilitation over punishment, this isn't that big of a problem. The incentive is to save a life for reduced time, something that already exists. >
  
  
  The incentive is to save a life for reduced time, something that already exists.
  
  Donating organs for reduced time is not something that exists. Nothing even close to it does AFAIK. If this were occurring in any other country, we'd be calling them Authoritarians 7 days to Sunday.
  This shit is insane. >
  
  There are many examples of prisoners who've saved a life by fending off atrackers getting reduced time. 
  If you read the statement I said that THE INCENTIVE FOR SAVING A LIFE FOR A REDUCTION IN TIME ALREADY EXISTS. Which is objectively true. Not all authoritarian measures are bad, I don't know your politics but if you believe in things like socialized Healthcare and gun control you agree with me. Organ donation isn't an end all be all. It's not what causes totalitarianism, that happens outside of prisons, with ordinary citizens. >
  
  
  There are many examples of prisoners who've saved a life by fending off atrackers getting reduced time.
  
  Insane mental gymnastics 😂 >
  
  How? >
  
  Larry Niven wrote a series of novels exploring this idea. Eventually even jaywalking becomes punishable by death because everyone wants organs in the banks >
  
  Ah. I didn't think the 2001 Dreamcast classic 'Headhunter' would be the dystopian route we took but here we are. >
  
  This would be unethical and highly suspect even if you could trust due process in the courts and in law enforcement.  And you'd be a fool to trust those things.  A fool with only one kidney. >
  
  The bill is being submitted by Carlos Gonzales, a Democrat who's attempting to claim that the bill will help support Black and Latino communities, who have been statistically and historically effected by Organ failure.   
  Which uh, Is certainly a reason that sounds like it's from the Onion by by god it's his reason. That being said, I am confident in stating this is mere political theatre. It's either a stunt to get his name around or otherwise something he'll reveal to have been satire for reasons beyond my mere mortal comprehension.   
  I'm going back to bed. >
  
  Actually, he isn't entirely wrong. Some transplants do need to be as close as possible to someone's genetics, which means that POC can have a harder time finding transplants. 
  I just feel like this will have the opposite effect. It would be better to have educational campaigns and work with local community leaders. >
  
  I mean, since we’ve got a surplus population of POC in prison, may as well take advantage of the situation and put them to good use and harvest their organs for the good of society, right? /s
  An actual solution would be getting more POC to qualify for health insurance so they can receive care before their health is critical. Government/healthcare also needs to put in the work to improve the relationship between healthcare and POC. POC have been used and abused and ignored for far too long. If you knew your chance of experiencing serious complications or dying from the surgery was higher than if you were a white person, why the hell would you consent to altruistically donate a kidney? Or if you can’t be sure you’ll have access to good healthcare in the future if you ever have your own issues, why would you risk it? This is for sure the harder route, but it is the actual solution to the problem. Not coercing organs from prisoners. >
  
  And this just feeds into a common fear among black people, which is that their organs will be harvested and less care will be put into saving them. 
  The thing is, it isn't an entirely irrational fear. >
  
  ORGANS?  Right out the blank? In dystopias you at least get some slippery sloope to get there, like donating blood or something >
  
  This is abhorrent and will only be used to exploit poor people and it's not really consenting, more like coercion. >
  
  The trick will be to get them while they're fresh. I imagine that after a few months in prison, those organs won't be very good for anything >
  
  RimWorld leaking in the worst way >_> >
  
  This is worse. The Massachusetts bill only reduces your sentence by a year, I let people go after I take what I need. >
  
  This is so unethical, I honestly can’t believe an actual person put this forward. Someone should check on whoever proposed this because they have no soul. >
  
  The guy touting it is Carlos Gonzales, a Democrat who says it's to help Black and Latino communities who are statistically more at risk for organ failure. 
  Which uh, I dunno chief. That's pretty flimsy. >
  
  It’s incredible flimsy. Why not just address the cause for black and Latino communities having higher levels of organ failure. By that logic it’d be okay to eat prisoners to help the hungry. >
  
  You might not want to give him ideas. >
  
  Man I hope all the people who were fucking livid that China was doing organ farms are equally as outraged about this. Like holy shit the coercion into making prisoners organ cattle is craaaazy. >
  
  This is actually sickening. >
  
  Not sure where this bill came from. Didn't see anything from healthcare or inmate advocacy groups from either of the bill's sponsors. I already asked my rep to have this withdrawn. >
  
  The guy touting it is a democrat claiming it will help black and latino communities which is certainly a reason.   
  I get the feeling this is more a political stunt than an actual bill he wants to get passed. >
  
  So, body snatchers? >
  
  So, it's the "permanent detention" option from the Simpsons. >
  
  And if I am in prison and I can afford to buy an organ from some other inmate, do I get credit?  Might as well turn all prison sentences into fines.
  Or I threaten my cell mate with death or organ donation, do I get credit? >
  
  It is. Especially if the organs are going to people in power/with money. >
  
  The true nature of what these prisons are is slowly appearing.
  More parasitism from the elite.
  When it comes time for them to pay back all they have stolen from the people, we won't forget their organ harvesting attempts. >
  
  RimWorld is leaking into the real world... >
  
  Im actually okay with this. Lets give them a day off their sentence for plasma donation too.