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context: I misread this at first it was a crime to expose a trans person as trans and thought it odd. Then i saw WV and knew I had misread. >
  
  So parents are now liable for letting their children outside?? >
  
  Yes, parents must now keep their kids in the closet until they are 18, at which point they are free to come out >
  
  I guess that explains some home schooled Republicans. >
  
  "get into that closet until you understand chemistry" >
  
  Considering they quote high school biology like that's the max level, that sounds about right >
  
  Ironically enough, the GOP Governor is in the midst of writing a bill allowing him to expose himself to anyone. >
  
  So this is effectively criminalizing being trans. And yet, the people who push this, and support tbis, will claim they aren't transphobes. What's next? A bill doing the same, but for gay people?
  Also, how the hell would this be reasonably enforced? Are they gonna make trans people join a registry, and carry identifying marks? >
  
  You say it as if it's absurd, but with the way things have been going... I wouldn't rule it out. >
  
  Pretty much what Texas wants to do. >
  
  One more shining example from the party of “limited government.”
  Fucking hypocrites, assholes, projectors, idiots… this could go on for a while. >
  
  I'd be more afraid of a Preacher >
  
  I'm more afraid of the religious nuts who follow and obey the preachers. >
  
  So could one get arrested for showing a kid Bugs Bunny cartoons? >
  
  Eh whats up, Doc? >
  
  What happened to Free Speech? >
  
  Under other laws, exposing minors to West Virginia bills, could be really harmful >
  
  Isn't this unconstitutional? Won't it get struck out immediately? >
  
  Current SCOTUS will allow it. >
  
  Alito: USA has always been a de facto straight country. Something something cultural. Something something Christian. Something someone from 1800 said about witches or whatever. Avada kedavra this bill is 100% constitutional. >
  
  Avada kedavra would kill the bill though. >
  
  But you can't call them bigots... >
  
  You can >
  
  Because they are. >
  
  Where as exposing my genitals to the inside of my 1st cousin's genitals would be totally fine. Makes sense. >
  
  Hey, it’s perfectly legal in some states to have sex with someone that’s 17 but not be able to take pictures of them, or to convict a 16 year old of child pornography for having sent a racy picture of themself to someone. Sense? What’s that? >
  
  Uhhh… we’re getting closer to the G word. >
  
  Is there any socioeconomic issue WV doesn't rank dead last in? Jeez. Republicans...always addressing problems that don't exist. Embarrassing. >
  
  The new trend in the US is passing laws that cater to the bigotry and prejudices of the religious extremists that the Republican party serves. The US is slowly but surely becoming a theocracy, religious law by religious law. Americans need to stand against bigotry! >
  
  So is WV going to require transgenders to wear an identifier, ya know, like the Nazis had gays wear a pink triangle and Jews wear the star of David?
  JFC, what a nightmare the American south is. >
  
  This country has gone fucking nuts >
  
  I tell you Republicans get worked up over the most bizarre stuff. I think they're nuts. I don't think this is a huge issue in most people's lives. >
  
  These guys sure do think about trans people a lot. >
  
  It's amazing to watch the republicans turn your country into another Islamic state with such archaic and downright horrific laws. >
  
  What about taking your kids to a Hooters? That seems to fit their definition. >
  
  But exposing them to priests is fine, and encouraged, even. This isn’t about protecting kids, it’s just codified hate. >
  
  They're called the party of "law and order" because they make targeted laws and order you to stop existing. >
  
  Oh USA, stop being a brainless c*nt. >
  
  Every bigoted bill targeting trans folks, will also affect folks that are cis, but who don't fit what some asshole thinks their gender should look like. It's never about protecting anyone, the cruelty is the point. >
  
  Why not just ban children from literally seeing anything or hearing anything. If we’re going to be this ridiculous and intrusive on the way parents raise their kids or teachers teach their kids about people that exist in our reality why not go all out? Fuck it, just lock them in a Celler with nothing but food and a Bible. >
  
  
  and a Bible.
  
  But the bible has obscene content too. >
  
  But exposing minors to the 14 guns in your sad WV living room is totally fine. >
  
  Are not many of the evil things backed by The Holy Bible then considered inappropriate for children?
  All over the bible people REJOICED about how many people they killed because the people they murdered DID NOT believe in THIER GOD.
  Should we also ban children from churches where the people pray sincere that their GOD come and destroy all non-believers in a lake of fire while these believers all beg for their GOD to destroy The Earth? >
  
  Pretty sure there aren’t any bible verses boasting about killing. I could find one in the Old Testament about putting nonbelievers to death, but that’s it >
  
  The new Nazi party >
  
  This stopped becoming an amusing insult to how scary this shit is turning into an actual legitimate version of reality. >
  
  But exposing yourself to your cousin could be considered a marriage proposal >
  
  "DONT TREAD ON ME"  
  But let me walk all over you with my workboots, and wellies. >
  
  And people wonder why WV is a shithole.
  Oh wait, they don't. >
  
  None of the stuff in this bill was happening...all just an excuse to slip in trans under the definition of "lewd and indecent sexual display". >
  
  How about West Virginia instead focuses on the dealers who are killing thousands of their citizens a year with opiates?  How about West Virginia pulling themselves of being one of the worst states in the US in almost every measure? >
  
  Imagine if people were trying to pass legislation like this regarding Christians or Republicans; they would completely lose their minds. Fucking goddamned minds. These people have earned nothing but to have their faces covered in cake. This is the same as denying existence. >
  
  No M*A*S*H reruns for WV. >
  
  Klinger was not transgender. He wasn't even a "legitimate transvestite" to use the parlance of the time. He was trying to get out of military service by being deemed mentally incompetent, because only a mentally-incompetent man would wear a dress. Not such a great message. >
  
  
  Klinger was not transgender
  
  Doesn't really matter. The people we are talking about don't care about nuance or circumstance, they just see a man in a dress and yell 'Trans!'. Or, more likely, they yell something even more derogatory and hateful. They aren't known for their brain power or pleasantness. >
  
  I expect nothing from West Virginia, and I'm still disappointed. >
  
  The depression and suicide rate is very high amongst trans persons and this is why. >
  
  You said it. "Trans people kill themselves" - people who cause the suicidal thoughts >
  
  Downvote brigade accidentally got ahold of this comment without fully understanding it, I think. >
  
  It really seems like they are blaming trans people for their suicides if you read too fast. Unfortunate side effect of the 50 comments trying to justify making being trans a crime. >
  
  I guess that means minors aren't allowed to leave the house anymore. >
  
  No, it means that Transgender people will be kicked out of their jobs and barred from existing within half a mile of a child.  This law is just a stepping stone for their real goal: recreating Buchenwald to appease the Christofascists. >
  
  You don't even need to go that far: Trans people will be put in prisons and raped/killed and conservatives will just say "they should've followed the law." >
  
  Define “exposing”. Because this seems wildly broad and unenforceable. >
  
  How bout exposing minors to priests >
  
  Well my family would be screwed. I have two young adult transgender kids who haven't left the nest and two young children. Are families like mine just supposed to kick their older kids out? WTAF! >
  
  The Holocaust never ended for people like us... >
  
  Comparing an idea to the systematic murder of millions. Quality thinking. >
  
  Look up the Institute of Sexology book burnings. Some of the very first public victims of the Nazis included genderqueer people and their doctors. >
  
  Yeah, I'm talking numbers. >
  
  How many have to die before you care about the issue? >
  
  Percentage wise, before you could fairly mention it in the original way? 
  10 >
  
  There's a reason WV has a 1% immigrant population. 
  This only proves why. >
  
  Why is it still so acceptable to be a cousin fucking racist imbecile in this day and age? Their reasons for hatred are steeped in moronic beliefs and tall tales. It's like a witch hunt. >
  
  Have to do something to deflect from the endless stream of prominent conservatives that keep getting arrested for raping children and masturbating in front of preschools. >
  
  I wondered when the WV Legislature was going to stop fooling around with stupid subjects and get on with doing something serious to help the state.
  Still wondering. >
  
  ...but exposing them to their uncle's genitalia is tradition. Fuck WV. >
  
  Abrahamic religions groom far more kids than transgender people could ever do >
  
  GREAT!!! so they closing all the churches!! >
  
  I, too, like passing meaningless laws. That’s really fucking productive. >
  
  So are there rules about being exposed to people of a different color or religion? >
  
  so who's stripping children naked in front of others, specifically trans folks?? >
  
  Another blatantly illegal bill being pushed through. It will only ever get 1 person arrested before some appellate court calls it on it's obvious violation of the first amendment. >
  
  "Two West Virginia bills aim to protect minors from obscene performances and materials, which the bills define, in part, as anything that includes exposure to or performances by transgender people.
  The bills, introduced this week by state Sen. Michael Azinger, a Republican, would prohibit obscene and sexually explicit materials in or within 2,500 feet of the state’s schools and would bar children from being present for obscene performances or displays.
  The bills’ four-point definition of “obscene matter” (...) defines “indecent displays of a sexually explicit nature,” in part, as “any transvestite and/or transgender exposure, performances or display to any minor.” No other group of people or specific type of performance is included."
  So like. Watching Shakespeare then. >
  
  Now do priests!!! >
  
  So hign schools can't teach Shakespeare any more?
  Oh wait, it's West Virginia.  Never mind. >
  
  Tinfoil hat wearing hillbillies >
  
  How did Ron DeSantis not think of this first? >
  
  he is working on it. in the state gov. >
  
  This is why I want nothing to do with the southern states. >
  
  I would think exposing minors to anyone would be against the law. Exposing miners, however… >
  
  Not a lot of Ms doubtfire fans out there >
  
  There goes bring you child to work day… >
  
  Parents have a right to block certain topics from their children until they are old enough to fully comprehend the topic. >
  
  So, 5? It's not that complicated, children are very good at grapsing the basics of these things. Full comprehension as a barrier to study would ban education itself. No child is capable of full comprehension of any subject, let alone before they've been taught it. >
  
  reading, writing and arithmetic are what schools should focus on, sexuality should be taught by the parents. >
  
  Based on your feelings? Children have demonstrably worse outcomes when sexuality is left to be taught by parents.
  Being trans isn't a sexuality anyways you bigot. It's a social identity, and it's part of the social sciences. Weird that you left science and history out of what schools should teach.
  Children can't fully comprehend reading, writing, or arithmetic. Clearly they shouldn't be taught >
  
  did i call you any names?  did i attack you in any way? are you incapable of having a discussion without personal attacks?  and you call me a bigot? >
  
  you teach your kids the way you want them to be taught, you have no right to dictate how others teach their children, regardless of how you feel. >
  
  Do whut naow >
  
  Take me home >
  
  And how are you supposed to know if someone is transgender? Is it your assumption or will they have to wear a special name tag? “I used to be Michael but now I’m Michele” spare us with your ignorance! >
  
  I'd rather legislation ban schools from teaching about trans awareness. I mean I think alot of people would prefer their children weren't educated on 50 genders and trans awareness in school etc and focus on other things. 
  I don't necessarily want a transgendered person getting in trouble for walking across the street infront of my child. They are just people. 
  But not wanting my kids to learn french or german in school doesnt mean im a racist
  So the woke community need to understand not wanting my kids to learn about the 50 genders and transgenders isnt "transphobic" >
  
  Being trans isn't about fifty genders, if you had been taught real trans awareness in school maybe you'd actually know that.
  Being trans is where you suffer from gender dysphoria, your brain does not match the sex you were born with and that causes severe distress. Sex-affirming hormone treatment is how we treat the dysphoria. >
  
  I know it isn't. But I feel the same about the both. And they actually teach the both together in the training. Which is why I mention both.
  There are some people that would even call you a transohobe for claiming it as gender dysphoria as some trans community hate it refered to as a medical condition etc
  I'd rather just have these conversations with my own kids in my own home. >
  
  Gender dysphoria very much is a medical condition.
  The only people who hate it when dysphoria gets mentioned are the ones who should not be receiving treatment in the first place. 
  I am a transmedicalist to the core, and if a transmedical view was taught to everyone there would not be discrimination against trans people.
  Unfortunately "trans identity" has been infiltrated by a load of nondysphoric cis fetishists who are easy ammunition for the far right.
  Meanwhile the collateral damage is us, the innocent transsexuals. Getting raped and killed sometimes without legal consequence. Treated like shit by wider society. And no one wants to learn the truth because they don't care, because they hear so much crap about it that they don't know what or who to believe. >
  
  And all of this is why I'd rather make my decision as a parent to educate my children on this when I feel they are old enough, the same as sex etc
  I don't think there should be any legislation that treats trans community any differently than anyone else. And I also expect respect from the trans community for my decision to not have my children educated on it. Simple as that really.
  There's no blanket understanding or solid definition of what it is to be trans. As. You mentiom above there is conflict within the community too. So while we are trying to become tolerant of everything like the new pronouns and such I just want tolerance of my own personal views.
  People get outraged by the idea of me not wanting my kids taught the subject in school and picture me as someone who spits in the face of a trans person when the reality is I goto work 5 days a week and have these conversations with a close college turned friend Megan who is a trans women who shares the same opinion as me. Even though some trans will disagree. Some trans will agree and that can't possibly make us all transphobic haha >
  
  Like I said, "the community" has been infiltrated by terminally horny fetishists. What's worse, a minority of the community believes in accepting these freaks. But, critically, most of us don't. But it's most of us who get beaten, screamed at, or sexually assaulted. 
  Interesting choice of name for your colleague, I've never actually heard of another trans woman with my name before. 
  Incidentally, I don't think not wanting your kids to learn about trans people in school is transphobic. It makes sense that you'd want them to learn what being trans actually is, which you might not be guaranteed in the education system. If the education system delivered trans awareness from a transmedical perspective, nobody could have a reasonable problem. You can't "turn" someone trans, same as you can't "turn" them cis.
  It is, however, very important that they learn not to hate or discriminate against trans people. If you don't instill that basic human decency in them, then you'll have failed them as a parent. >
  
  Don't you think being part of the trans community and labeling others In the community who also identify as trans as freaks is counter intuitive though?
  Like we want a world where people stop seeing us as freaks but not these particular trans people because they are freaks kind of makes me feel like this is also a problem.
  Back to the gender issue, the whole realisation that suddenly you have to accept there are over 100 genders, you can't question or deny else your a bigot and you must respect those pronouns but then claiming to be trans species is seen as outrageous and provocative?
  Perhaps that's how people view the 100 genders though.
  Do you feel that sometimes it's alot of demanding understanding and tolerance, almost as if there is no choice. But then also at the same time being completely intolerant to other views and opinions? >
  
  I don't have rainbow hair nor do I look remotely masculine. My one single purpose in transition was to pass as a woman. That is how you treat dysphoria. The people I'm calling freaks are the types who refuse to transition, use fifty pronouns, and make up some fake gender. They are categorically not the same as a dysphoric trans person, so no, I don't feel the slightest bit of incongruity.
  I do not believe in 100 genders so it's a bit pointless asking me that. There is only man and woman, pick one. If you have to add non-binary, sure, but that's absence of gender. 
  The people who spread the infinite genders lie are the same ones who call me "truscum" and kick me out of their communities. They are intolerant, I know because they are intolerant towards people like me. This is why I hate them. >
  
  This means, that by definition you are trans, but at the same time a transohobe and so are they lol
  I mean I think the 100 genders is bollocks, man and woman only, but I do genuinely belive in body dysphoria and men are born female and vice versa.
  The issue is, like you say, you can't disagree with anything someone In the lgbt category or in this case the trans category says without being labeled a bigot, transphobic or in your case truscum.
  So where's the tolerance and acceptance?
  People think we are In the age of acceptance but we aren't, people seem to forget that we are all individual. No matter what topic, what sub reddit.. You can spend all day reading comments of one person insulting another because they share a different opinion. >
  
  We aren't all like them. That's just the point I want to get across. I've not called anyone transphobic so far, and I don't think I need to. The transphobes have a hard time hiding it, and you seem nice enough.
  Unfortunately, tolerance and acceptance are liberal values, but liberalism is either seen as Marxism by the far right or Fascism by the far left. It'd be nice if these maniacs got some perspective. I guess it's always been this way. 
  I just hope it gets better. We're on track for another genocide if things keep going the way they are, and I mean no hyperbole, we really are worried of that happening.  Media talk of trans women being child predators or rapists is EXTREMELY dangerous and frightening. >
  
  The bill isn't explicitly transphobic, it just rightly prevents children from being taken to drag shows, etc:
  "Two West Virginia bills aim to protect minors from obscene performances and materials, which the bills define, in part, as anything that includes exposure to or performances by transgender people." >
  
  
  But the fourth part of the definition specifically defines “indecent displays of a sexually explicit nature,” in part, as “any transvestite and/or transgender exposure, performances or display to any minor.”
  
  No more Shakespeare in schools, I guess! What with all that cross dressing and dick jokes. >
  
  Finally, some common sense 👏🏻
  Kids do not belong at drag shows! Or any performance that is sexually explicit. If they are adding drag shows to a list of activities required to be 18+ to attend I am in favor of that. >
  
  Conservatives think drag queens reading books is the same as a drag show. Conservatives showing how stupid they are.
  Oh but Conservatives have no problems allowing Neo-Nazis and white supremacists do demonstrations under the guise of free speech even though that is 1 million times more harmful >
  
  "psst, hey kid wanna see what's under my skirt?" >
  
  Never happened nor will it but priests sure do love being alone with kids.
  Oh and conservatives love having g neo nazis and white supremacists groom kids to being racists but hey >
  
  Could? >
  
  Replace COULD with SHOULD in that Headline. >
  
  yes