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  We have a difference of opinion, and like I said I'm not going to debate you and you aren't going to change your view. That's perfectly fine.
  What you won't do, in this convo at least, is try to bring up Tyre and the others to try to prove your point here. It's not the same, and you're wrong for doing it to try to make your point seem more effective. Period.
context: The problem is that police in North America have SO MANY unjustified shootings, that people assume the worst and side against police, even when justified ones happen. 
  This is a problem entirely of the police’s making. >
  
  In this day and age, not assuming the worst about the police can be a death sentence. >
  
  No it IS the assuming the worst, then panicking, resisting and running or fighting. >
  
  Plenty of people are murdered by police without ever resisting or running.  Thus, running is the only logical thing to do. >
  
  See: dude cleaning out his grandmother's apartment. >
  
  What I find interesting is the spin. It sounds like this was clearly justified or whathave you but forgetting that, if he has killed someone, the media would call him a 17 year old man. Just saying. >
  
  This one sounds justified to me. Cops need to be better. We need actual standards nationwide for police, I’m talking associates in criminal justice and training that emphasises deescalation first. >
  
  "The person on the bike got off, at which point the officer ordered him 
  to drop the knife, but he did not and stepped toward the officer, who 
  then fired his gun."
  Do not move towards the police when you are holding a weapon, especially after they draw their weapon and tell you to drop your weapon. >
  
  How do you people like you always find a way to justify this kind of thing. Jesus man. 
  You can watch videos of police in the UK and Europe successfully dearming and de escalating suspects with weapons. Those videos are what bravery really looks like.
  This cop, just like every cop in the US, is trained to see their lives as more important than civilians lives, so much so that the Supreme Court has ruled police don’t have a direct responsibility to save or protect you. Or even children for that matter. 
  The “person” is a child. 17 is a child. He shot a kid because he didn’t think this kids life is worth saving. If someone can react this way in this situation, they could easily react that way with you or someone you know and love.  
  IDC If this kid actually had an intention to lunge at the cop, police officers have more than just guns and tasers at their disposal but too many people want to justify inflicting the maximum amount of force on a suspect that they think they can get away with. >
  
  That’s got nothing to do with the point I’m making man. I’m saying that I’m other countries they focus a lot more training on de escalation and de arming suspects with weapons. But in the United States, our police officers are mostly trained to shoot to kill if they see a weapon being brandished without the suspect having used said weapon to harm someone. 
  You’re also taking my comment out of context to the fact that in this instance, this police officer shot a kid as a first response instead of trying to find a way to de escalate or disarm this kid. 
  You can downvote me all you want but this shit happens to people without weapons as well. And people like you will find a way to try to justify the situation. 
  Cops kill 3 civilians on average every day in the United States. Cops do not need to even see a weapon for them to shoot someone and get away with it. It happens all the time. 
  How can anyone look at the current state of police in the United States and not think that there’s something wrong with how our society handles policing? Do you guys think Brianna Taylor and Tyre Nichols and George Floyd are one offs?
  But of course you don’t give a shit about any of that. Because you’re on Reddit trying to post random links that have nothing to do with my discourse or the ongoing discourse people are having about police brutality in the United States. 
  You should though. This doesn’t just happen to black and brown people. This happens to everyone. Cops shoot more unarmed white people in America than they do black and brown people. But the level of black and brown people being killed (let alone shot and still living) in the United States is still disproportionate. 
  Leave it to redditors to completely devalue the lives of civilians though. >
  
  Nuance. You should learn about it. >
  
  You’re totally right man. I’m the one not taking a nuanced approach to this situation. Obviously the kid had to be blasted. What was I thinking? There’s only one possible reaction you should have as a police officer in this situation and nothing else. >
  
  I'm more specifically talking about your super long-winded tangent bringing up completely unjustified shootings as your argument defense of this one.
  Idk your background or demographic, but I say this as a black man living in southern California - if you can't learn nuance, you aren't helping. Tyre, Breonna, and George (and Philando, countless others) don't belong in the same conversation as this one. Stop comparing them to prove your point. >
  
  No man. You’re not even grasping what I’m trying to say. I’m afro Latino living in SoCal but that doesn’t matter anyways. You don’t have to be black or brown to understand that the first response police have when they’re not being shot at or when someone else isn’t being directly harmed or about to be, is to not shoot the suspect first before exhausting other options. 
  If you don’t understand that then you don’t value human life the same way you value your own. You don’t need to be a perfect victim for police brutality to happen to you. It’s about the disproportionate response to situations police constantly face that leads them to thinking shooting and potentially killing 17 year olds is the adequate or only response in situations like these. 
  Why do police have access to pepper spray, tasers or even batons  if they’re just going to shoot everyone anyways. I don’t think beating this kid with a baton would have been better. But teaching cops methods to disarm civilians with tools they have access to besides a gun would go a long way. 
  On top of other societal structures that need to be changed. 
  People like Floyd, Taylor, or Nichols aren’t the only victims of police brutality. They’re the egregious outliers to a much larger problem.
  Edit: a word