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  why is the question "can conservatives be trusted with X" still being asked?
  of course they can't. they never could be. this last century of pretending conservatism has a place in a sustainable, functioning society is the greatest exemple of gaslighting in history.
context: The vast majority of them weren't elected for any of those things. They were elected to "upset the libs." By that metric, they'll do pretty well with their voters. Chaos is what many of those voters want. >
  
  Matt Gaetz is America’s Brexit >
  
  He is America’s Butthead (without Beavis) >
  
  Marj Greene is Beavis. >
  
  They are more like Jean Ralphio and Mona Lisa Saperstein. >
  
  But more trashy >
  
  Some points that bear repeating until this is settled:
  
  The debt in question is debt we already owe. That's why it would be a default. The GOP is hoping a majority of Americans are unable to realize this simple fact.  
  Since 1960, Congress has acted 78 separate times to permanently raise, temporarily extend, or revise the definition of the debt limit – 49 times under Republican presidents and 29 times under Democratic presidents. The debt ceiling was raised 3 times under Trump.  
  Debt does not exist in a partisan, short-term vacuum. Republican policies have contributed heavily to the current national debt. It rose 8 trillion under Trump's administration.
  A budget negotiation (what the GOP is trying to leverage) has a process. Threatening the world economy over an outdated, arbitrary law is not part of it.
  
  Dems shouldn't budge an inch on this if it comes to it. There's no basis, and there's nothing to stop the GOP from asking for more concessions if given any. >
  
  Biden can and should just order his Department of the Treasury (which is part of his Executive Branch) to continue as usual past whatever Congress does.
  1) He has the 'full faith and credit' thing to fall back on for a fig leaf
  2) No one has the authority to stop him. Impeachment is meaningless, and you'll never get a double digit number of our own side to stab our side's President in the back with a removal >
  
  
  No one has the authority to stop him.
  
  It would cause a constitutional crisis though, those are usually seen as bad. >
  
  DT's entire presidency was a crisis and yet we survived(well...for now lmao). Biden can do whatever the fuck he wants and it still wouldn't be half as fucked up as everything Trump did and at least Biden would be doing from a place of "Lets try to keep things going" instead of "MINE MINE MINE MINE GIMME MONEY" >
  
  The difference is that this constitutional crisis would be a global fiscal issue not a domestic constitutional crisis limited to the by-laws of government. 
  US debt starts to look less appealing and more risky to others when the government is bickering over what they can and can't do fiscally. A lot of the full faith and credit of the US is it's stability and efficiency with it's money. That the US by virtue of being the US is going to pay it's debts and accrued interest in a prompt, regular fashion as 
   opposed to say, Greece, where countries might as well just burn their money instead of loaning them any. >
  
  US debt starts to look appealing when it becomes clear we pay our debts regardless of inner bickering. >
  
  Precisely.
  What is more trustworthy? A system where the President uses his inherent fiat over the State to guarantee the State's obligations? Or a system where the petty legislators can force defaults?
  Biden (who is at least from our own faction) claiming his natural power as the unitary executive is by far the better outcome. >
  
  Yea these guys are silly if they think doing anything other than actually paying your debts makes US debt look attractive. >
  
  At least Hunter Biden's Laptop has a speaker. >
  
  Excellent! 
  A friend just texted me this pic. >
  
  We are also going to get multiple government shut downs because the Senate will laugh at a federal abortion ban, an attempt to ban drag shows, and so many anti woke bills you could turn the useless paper into a ticket tape parade. >
  
  Not sure if you knew but it’s actually ticker-tape parade. Originating from when people would throw old ticker-tape used on machines printing stock market quotes. 
  The word ticker comes from the sound the printer made. >
  
  /r/boneappletea >
  
  It’s the budget that is worth debating. Paying the debt is just something you have to do to survive. Imagine if we all decided to grandstand every month instead of just paying the utilities and rent? >
  
  Wesley Snipes: I'm qualified to answer this. >
  
  The debt ceiling is a dog and pony show that means nothing but grandstanding. The 14th amendment section 4 states all debts must be paid. If Congress allocates spending done deal. >
  
  Yes and while that might be true, I can still imagine stock and financial markets around the world losing their minds when it happens. >
  
  Debts will be paid.  But new debt will be greatly limited.  It means every government worker stops being paid.  Government services all shut down.  Biden's ability to use emergency powers is limited.  There will be a depression if republicans shut everything down between oct 2023 and jan 2025. (the current budget expires in sept, it was the most dems could legally do)
  That will cause mass layoffs across the country.  A full blown depression where people starve to death for no reason at all. >
  
  Sounds like exactly the things you’d want to see happen if you wanted to discredit an administration and had no issues hurting the entire country to do so. >
  
  Which was why removing it should have been one of the last acts of the previous Congress.  The debt ceiling serves no purpose.
  The money has already been spent, it's a vote to pay the bill. >
  
  Never would have made it past the senate >
  
  They never planned too. They are going to use their own failures an example of how the system is broken and they need to be re-elected to fix it. >
  
  It works wonders in Texas. For 25+ years in a row people voted Republicant. The state still goes to shit when it gets cold. >
  
  The Republicans have proven they can't be trusted to pour piss out of a boot if the instructions are written on the sole of it. Again and again, they've shown it. >
  
  The Republicans are a bunch of headless chickens running around the House floor. Besides “own the Libs”, they have nothing: no policy, no direction, no strategy. >
  
  They’re like Mike the Headless Chicken…. No head but survived. >
  
  This needs to be the Democrat's primary talking point any chance they get. >
  
  That quote from the article specifically. This is just the beginning. As has been stated repeatedly in this sub, the GOP doesn't care about governing. >
  
  What is the word "If" for in that headline? It should say "House Republicans can't be trusted with the debt ceiling, fighting inflation, or helping families make ends meet." Their entire reason for existing is to make sure government doesn't function. Being "unable" to select a speaker is just another way of ensuring gridlock and a nonfunctional government. >
  
  If they never elect a speaker, then the house stops functioning, right? >
  
  They literally cant do anything else until one is voted in
  No other votes
  No new members can be let in
  Nothing. >
  
  Lol Republicans couldn’t be trusted before this! Hence the giant funding bill last month. >
  
  "It is like ordering a decorative salad made entirely from Legos and being mad that you can’t eat it." >
  
  this is the real scary bit coming from all this otherwise using drama. the factions that are emerging now foretells how the debt ceiling fight will go, and it doesn't look like it'll be pretty. 
  we've never defaulted on our debt in our history and much of the global economy and domestic prosperity rely on this fact. the effects of a default will be unknown in scope but will surely be profound. >
  
  The difference is that the democrats only need ~10 willing Republicans to pass debt ceiling legislation.
  This speaker vote is a shit show because it's only republicans voting. >
  
  Well, yeah. Is there anybody on Earth who thinks they’re going to govern at all, let alone well?