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  shows a shrinking turnaround between the time a gun was purchased and when it was recovered from a crime scene, indicating firearms bought legally are more quickly being used in crimes around the country.
  
  Does this mean that law abiding gun owners are turning into criminals faster or that we're selling guns to criminals last minute and don't know it?
  
  documents a spike in the use of conversion devices that make a semiautomatic gun fire like a machine gun
  
  I think they mean automatic fire, but whatever most people will get it.
  
  The report comes as the nation grapples with a rise in violent crime, particularly from guns.
  
  I can't say for sure that making it easier to get and carry guns is a part of this, but it's a part of this.
  
  The report shows 54% of guns that police recovered in crime scenes in 2021 had been purchased within three years, a double-digit increase since 2019. The quicker turnaround can indicate illegal gun trafficking or a straw purchase — when someone who can legally purchase a gun buys one to sell it to someone who can’t legally possess guns. The increase was driven largely by guns bought less than a year before, it said.
  
  Aren't straw purchases illegal? So not a law abiding gun owner from the start?
  
  It also found what Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco called an epidemic of stolen guns: more than 1.07 million firearms were reported stolen between 2017 and 2021. Almost all of those, 96%, were from private individuals.
  
  For fuck's sake, if you're going to own a gun keep it safely stored. 
  
  Meanwhile, the report also documents a more than five-fold increase in the number of devices that convert a legal semi-automatic weapon into an illegal fully automatic one. Between 2012 and 2016, the ATF retrieved 814 of those, but that number jumped to 5,414 during the five-year period documented in the report.
  
  That's a lot of illegal activity from law abiding gun owners.
  
  The ATF traced more than 19,000 privately made firearms in 2021, more than double the year before.
  
  Not sure what the solution to this is.
context: It's not 85%, it's 36%.
  Page 3 is the page that shows where the guns used for the crime came from. 83,781 of the crime guns came from California out of 231,784 traced guns.
  You're referring to page 4, which shows where the guns were recovered. 85% of the crime guns traced were recovered in California, not necessarily originally from California. >
  
  Edit:  using page 3 has the total trace requests.
  
  You're referring to page 4, which shows where the guns were recovered. 85% of the crime guns traced were recovered in California
  
  Page 4 is the crime gun recovery in state from that state. 
  Even lists the top recovery states for in California on the same page.
  CA 83,781
  NV 1,581
  BJ 1,292
  AZ 963
  TX 834
  Which seems fairly consistent with the previous years of ATF trace data on the state with Arizona, Texas and Nevada being the largest out of state sources.
  Like the entire point of the individual state reports is to determine what is accounting for their crime guns. >
  
  
  Page 4 is the crime gun recovery in state from that state.
  
  Yes, that's what I said. That's very different from:
  
  California appears to be the source for its own crime guns 85% of the traces
  
  Looking back at it though it appears that it's actually 58.3%, not 36%. The denominator is 143,466, not 231,784 - they based their stats on the "traced to a known purchaser" for the state-by-state data. >
  
  Waiting for this place to be swarmed with pro gun talking points as usual… >
  
  “Guns aren’t the problem! It’s everything else!”
  “Ok, let’s fix everything else…”
  “Nah…” >
  
  I always hear it's a mental health issue from conservatives. Then let's create a robust mental health system in the US. Crickets.... >
  
  As a gun-loving liberal, let's have all the healthcare.  For free.  And tax the fucking rich for it.  If they don't pay their fair share of taxes, we eat them.  Every tax-paying citizen will get a protein bar made partially with the reconstituted bits of last year's tax cheats. >
  
  Gun owner and liberal here too.  I can list a dozen social and economic changes that would reduce crime in general and gun crime specifically, but most conservatives would tank them as they are all progressive and are things like free healthcare, economic programs to rebuild the middle class and reduce economic disparity, legal changes so we aren't locking people up for little shit that causes them to loose jobs and basically upend their entire lives.
  On the other hand I can see things like longer wait times, better background checks, requirements on safe storage, investment in preventive policies as ways to reduce some of what this report outlines.  The problem is all of the requires investment to be effective and people don't want to pay for that, plus it requires active enforcement and a lot of police/sheriffs not willing to do that (oh and make it so police don't get special rules... If you wouldn't be safe as a private citizen with a gun, having a badge should not make you immune).
  From the legal gun owner side, a lot of people feel like they keep giving things up with new rules and not getting anything back and ending up villainized in the process.  It would be just awesome if gun policy was informed by educated professionals including gun owners.  A hell of a lot of what gets talked about for reducing gun violence doesn't actually make a hell of a lot of sense or is too wildly impractical to be enforceable or is just window dressing. A lot of the laws are written around adjectives describing aspects of guns that are ambiguous and sometime contradictory. >
  
  …and legal changes to that women aren’t knocked up which causes them to have financial upheaval and lose their jobs as well! Like, affordable contraceptives and abortion availability. >
  
  Has nothing to do with gun control or gun violence that I can see, but you are correct, those things should be guaranteed in a non-medieval society. >
  
  Easier access to guns and more guns on the street due to constitutional carry leads to more gun crime, as it turns out.
  Who could have imagined this?
  
  Previously, because of the carry permit requirement, any handgun owner who wanted to bring their weapon into a public space had to go through an eligibility screening, register fingerprints and undergo four to six hours of training, in addition to passing a written exam and shooting proficiency test, the Texas Department of Public Safety website states. After HB1927 goes into effect on Sep. 1, those Texans will no longer need that permit or the training that went with it. >
  
  Absolutely no one. It is a total mystery. >
  
  So in other words: the thing that the ATF NEEDS be going after, straw purchasers and gun traffickers, are being strategically neglected through regulation on benign things like short-barelled weapons and suppressors, whose processing/licensing/management takes up the bulk of the agency's resources. >
  
  That takes work, it’s much easier for the ATF to make millions of legal firearm owners criminals overnight with the stroke of a pen, with out involvement from a single elected official or any kind of vote whatsoever. >
  
  Yes, and then need more resources to manage the additional license volume, so more resources, hiring, and promotions all around without having to go after a single baddie. >
  
  Criminals do criminal shit >
  
  Then give the criminals sharp spoons or something. At least from that distance it's gotta be personal. Guns are for fucking cowards. >
  
  Guns slip into the gray market rather easily. The good old boy network has a lively trade in firearms. While most of these folks are good citizens that just like guns, some of them are okay with selling to a felon.
  added: at gun shows it was common to hear, as a selling point "this one doesn't have papers on it." 
  Source: personal experience working in gun stores and gun shows a few decades ago >
  
  I didn't see one in the article, but does anyone have a link to the actual report? >
  
  Repeal the Dickey Amendment and get money away from politics. >
  
  They've already changed the language in that text and funded studies.