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  If this isn’t staged, that guy needs to avoid tall buildings.
context: Considering this is staged (because of course it is), that's some really interesting data. When you need to stage a message saying you illegally sent 9k people, then how many did you *really* send? Because it feels like there is no point staging this unless it is to get ahead of the message. And I imagine if the true number was just 20k, he would't have bothered. >
  
  9K is a good number. It's big enough so that they cannot all be individually named and become an anonymous blob, small enough to not cause major outrage (in context to the war) and therefor good enough to cover everyone who was send there illegally. Oh, your son got sent there too without proper legal procedures? Well our village sure is unlucky, we got about 120 out of the 9 thousands. Our local government seems to have fucked up. >
  
  I like how it’s a number JUST under 5 digits. Like it couldn’t be 10,000 people? Kinda like going into the 99 cent store thinking you’re getting a deal because it’s under a buck. This is obviously bullshit. >
  
  Psychologically, the 99 cent store thing actually works.  Same reason gas prices always have the 9/10s added on, at least around here. >
  
  But what if malpracticing employees just started carrying a lot of 1ct coins around and pocket the 5 dollar bill anyway?? >
  
  Lots of pennies will be heavy and awkward to carry around, and the customer will more likely notice something funny is going on and expect their receipt. >
  
  You just have to keep a dozen pennies in your pocket, could potentially be a lot of money for one day. >
  
  60$ is not a lot of money for one day >
  
  As a one-time thing, no, but to someone working at a gas station for minimum wage? $7.25 an hour for 8 hours a day is only $58, so if you manage an average of $60 a day on top of that (tax-free since it's cash and off the books), you've more than doubled your income. Not sure how realistic that figure really is using this strategy though, and it looks even worse when you factor in the chances of getting caught. >
  
  Everyone saying he is a brave man fail to realize this is just internal propaganda so general populace think they have someone looking out for them and they'll be safe from these injustices coming next mobilization, only things this really tell us is the february 24th renewed push is likely true >
  
  I hate how much people underestimate how low Russia can go to win a war.  
  They threw millions of lives at the Germans and Austro-Hungarians in WWI with an actual factual Tsar in charge.  They have a deep well to pull from, it took WWI level losses to erode the Tsar’s power base enough to create the conditions for revolution. >
  
  I thought that this is secretly what we are rooting for? Namely, that Russian demographics - from deaths and emigrants - get so bad that Russia will never, ever be able to rebuild its military. >
  
  I think people have a narrative in their minds that Putin is on extremely shaky ground and that the losses in Ukraine will topple the whole house of cards.  
  Anyone who knows Russian history knows how many enemies of Russia have thought this and lost to the Russians.  That being said, those were largely defensive wars against people like Napoleon and Hitler.  
  The Mongols gave the blueprint on how to conquer Russia, no modern western military would or even could ever take things that far, so it’s just a war of attrition mostly on Russia’s terms, which worries me, personally.  
  Russia also has a history of eventually finding great leadership, which is another concern.  Is there going to be a Zhukov or Suvorov to bail them out? >
  
  A few key differences this time around are:
  
  Russia's birth rate has been low for a long time, so the generation that is overwhelmingly being killed in Ukraine is already the smallest generation Russia has had in a long time. Presumably, the majority of these young men have yet to have fathered children.
  Modern technology makes it much easier for Russians to relocate to another country.
  
  With 1 million dead Russian men in their 20s, it's hard to see how Russia would be able to demographically recover from that, since it would be about 1/6th of all of its men between the ages of 20-30.
  No country, as of yet, has been able to significantly turn around the kind of continuously declining birth rate that appears to be correlated with modern society.
  Thus, we no longer live in a world where Russia can sustain millions of dead and still remain functional.
  Unfortunately, a scenario with 1 million dead Russians is overwhelmingly likely to also result in the end of Ukraine as we know it, since Ukraine's birth rate has been even worse than Russia's for a very long time.
  Whatever Ukraine's fate, the rest of the world will be much better off if Russia will never again be in a position to rebuild its military. >
  
  The world must make sure when this is over russia gets marshall planned or buried a million times worse than the Germans at Versailles. We don't need a Georgian failed art student moving to russia and pulling a hitler. >
  
  
  buried a million times worse than the Germans at Versailles. We don't need a Georgian failed art student moving to russia and pulling a hitler.
  
  Economically crippled countries are much more vulnerable to despots and corruption. >
  
  So that would be a bet change of zero.  But economically crippled countries also have a harder time doing significant military build ups, so that would be a net benefit. >
  
  Yea, Hitler sure had trouble militarizing the German economy after it was crippled by Versaille. /s
  But also, economically crippling countries causes countless innocent people to needlessly die, which is also bad. >
  
  Fellow redditors, please read the article!
  This was a transcript released by the Kremlin themselves. They just want to quell fears within their population over the next round of mobilization, while downplaying the true number of people illegally sent to Ukraine. >
  
  It's paywalled for me... >
  
  Tip: if on mobile click the “aA” button in the top right and then click reader mode. 
  However, the article: 
  
  Russia's prosecutor general told Putin more than 9,000 mobilized troops were called up illegally.
  In a face-to-face meeting, he said their health was why many shouldn't have been sent to fight in Ukraine.
  Reports last year said Russia had called up students, elderly people, and those with health issues.
  In a sitdown meeting with Russia's president, the country's prosecutor general said that thousands of troops who were mobilized to fight in Ukraine last year were conscripted illegally.
  Igor Krasnov told Russian President Vladimir Putin that almost 9,000 reservists were mobilized illegally, according to a transcript of their conversation released by the Kremlin on Tuesday. He said that many of them should not have been sent in the first place because of ill health, and were later returned to Russia.
  Krasnov also said there had been issues with paying the troops.
  In his conversation with Putin, Krasnov said that the mobilization "revealed a lot of significant problems."
  In September, Russia announced a partial mobilization of 300,000 troops, which it said was completed in October. This came after major battlefield setbacks for Russian forces, which had expected a quick victory following the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.
  Putin said in December that 150,000 of those troops had been sent to serve in Ukraine, with the rest still in training in Russia.
  The military call up resulted in tens, if not hundreds of thousands of young Russians leaving the country by plane and over its land borders in the weeks that proceeded it.
  Putin admitted last September that Russia had made "mistakes" in its mobilization, after reports that students, people without combat experience, the elderly, and those with health issues were among those who had been called up to fight, when only reservists were supposed to have been drafted.
  Krasnov told Putin that Russia had been forced to "reconsider approaches to the organization of military registration," and had created databases of available military personnel.
  Widespread issues related to Russia's mass mobilization have long been reported, including a lack of training and equipment. Some soldiers were drafted, trained, sent to Ukraine, killed, and returned home in body bags within a month of the announcement — a rapid timeline that would be unheard of in a Western army.
  Experts and defectors also say that Russian generals used the troops like cannon fodder.
  In the transcript of the conversation released by the Kremlin, Putin praised Krasnov's work, and asked him to keep monitoring the "rights" of mobilized Russians. 
  This comes as Russia is expected to announce another round of mobilizations, though the numbers are unclear.
  Ukraine and its allies say they expect a fresh Russian offensive in the spring, with Ukrainian intelligence warning earlier this month that Russia plans to mobilize 500,000 additional troops.
  NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said on Monday that Russia is preparing to mobilize more than 200,000 troops, while the UK ministry of defense said in December that Putin had been presented with plans to expand Russia's military by around 30%, to 1.5 million active personnel.
  The release of the transcript between Putin and Krasnov is likely an effort by the Kremlin to reduce concerns in Russia that any future mobilizations will be as ill-prepared as the last one. >
  
  Hey, thanks! >
  
  As always, staged performance. Which means nothing and will have zero consequences. Pitun just sitting, don't giving a damn, and another guy just reading prepared speech >
  
  Indeed. Since the actual figure was 509,000. >
  
  ::homer simpson meme::
  “509,000 so far.” >
  
  I have never been so sad to see a fellow redditor so right
  Ah well, time to invest in Russian Pine Boxes and donate the proceeds to Ukraine! >
  
  Bait to get people talking, thinking they might have a chance to be heard, just so they can be rounded up. >
  
  “Vladamir saves the day! I can finally go outside! They won’t conscript me because of my heart defectski!”
  ::goes outside::
  “Where are you dragging meski?!” >
  
  This is entirely scripted. No one says anything to Putins face that he didn't personally sign off. The whole point to this farce is to make it look like Putin is taking charge and improving a system that was broken by underlings and not himself.
  A lot of people fail understand Russian culture and this is one of those times. In Russian culture, you always blame the middle-man and trust the authority at the top. So, if you get shafted at work, you blame your supervisor and seek redress from the CEO. You hope that your supervisor gets reprimanded or fires, but more often than not it's you who gets the shaft, as is normal anywhere in the world. However, you never blame the CEO because then you, your family and your friends all get the shaft when they all get blackballed from their jobs too.
  It is a corrupt and sick culture that makes it very easy for the authoritarians at the top to manipulate the masses at the bottom. All that Putin needs to do to make himself look like a saint is to here the pleas of the plebes below and make some remarks about how aweful their lot in life is and how he's going to fix the system. Then he goes back to taking advantage of the system he himself built because that's exactly how he needs it to be to stay rich and powerful. >
  
  “It’s not Putin, it’s you!” Mass gaslighting at its best. >
  
  Bro this is a big con. Who believes this shit? >
  
  It’s unfortunate that Western writers have no clue how things work in Russia.  This is 100% propaganda.  It was a completely staged event, to give the illusion that Putin cares in anyway, and the government is fair and just.   Spoiler alert: he doesn’t, and it isn’t.
  Putin publicly announced mobilization was over, when he never signed a decree to end it.  And guess what, people have continued to be mobilized, even now.  Lies on top of more lies. >
  
  What do you mean? It’s the top 5 comments >
  
  I think he’s referring to the article and the way it was written, not the reddit comment section. >
  
  You mean the article that was written to clearly state 
  
  This comes as Russia is expected to announce another round of mobilizations, though the numbers are unclear.
  
  And
  
  The release of the transcript between Putin and Krasnov is likely an effort by the Kremlin to reduce concerns in Russia that any future mobilizations will be as ill-prepared as the last one.
  
  Like they don’t scream “it’s propaganda” but it is very clearly written that there were underlying motivations here. >
  
  Yeah it’s really not a poorly written article by any means >
  
  Only 9,000? >
  
  If Russians only admit to 9000, the actual number is probably at least 90.000. >
  
  Today's coefficient is more like 20x. The 10x value was about 3-4 months ago. >
  
  A news story was circulated in russian media yesterday that those 9000 were returned home safely.
  It's a theater to instill a false sense of safety. >
  
  To be fair, very little can harm you in a pine box. >
  
  This is nothing more than a dog and pony show to make the regime have a semblance of lawfulness. >
  
  Kabuki theater >
  
  Tomorrow’s headline: Russia’s top prosecutor mysteriously falls out of his high rise apartment building. Initial reports point to suicide as the victim left a convenient note confirming his long battle with depression. His note ends: “ Please disregard my prior statements of Supreme Leader His Majesty Czar Vladimir Putin. He is the greatest leader in all human history to have ever existed”… >
  
  —“Igor, before you go, I would like to present you with a new state-of-the-art Macbook Air laptop.”
  —“That is very generous… but er… why, may I ask?”
  —“My intelligence service has informed me you will soon be leaving Windows.” >
  
  It's all illegal. The whole invasion and everyone taking part in it. >
  
  "WHAT? 9,000?"- Nappa >
  
  and those 9k are dead btw in most cases.
  Zero training 
  Dogshit makeshift weapons
  Not even armor >
  
  how many days until the window >
  
  Every Russian soldier in Ukraine was illegally sent to Ukraine. >
  
  All Russian soldiers in Ukraine were sent illegally, because they didn't apply for a work visa from the Ukrainian government. >
  
  And he’s no longer the top prosecutor, he’ll just fall from a high building. >
  
  He’s gonna fall out a window. >
  
  He's going from prosector to ~~defense~~ defenestrater. >
  
  IMHO defenestree, defenestrate(o?)r would be somebody actively doing the defenestration. >
  
  I was referencing how people who spoke out against Putin allegedly ended up throwing themselves out of windows. >
  
  I think they know that.  They are arguing the use of this new word 'defenestrator'.  Is it a person who goes out the window or the person who throws people out a window?  I am kind of in favor of their take, as it gives two new words. 
  Defenestree: person or object being thrown out a window. 
  Defenestrator: person who throws people or objects out a window. >
  
  I think the word we’re looking for is autodefenestrator >
  
  defenestratee and defenestratortee >
  
  My biggest, cynical take on this is that Putin and the Kremlin wants to give the appearance of healthy critical reflection. They know what they are doing, they know they are throwing those men into a meat grinder and they don’t care. But looking like you care is all part of keeping public support on your side. Expect more of this as the Russian people waver on the value of more war and crippling economic effects. >
  
  So, all agree this was staged and numbers are much higher.  Do all agree it is likely Putin will put the blame on corrupt useless lower officials, use it to get rid of low level opposition, and give no compensation but use it as a means to check on who thinks they deserve some? >
  
  Putin, "Yes and Ukraine sent us 90,000 illegal immigrant children" >
  
  Dead man walking. >
  
  I admire his guts, but I’m thinking that’s not smart. >
  
  Someone’s going to end up “committing suicide” by being shot 19 times soon >
  
  Staged performance to give the impression Putin cares and listens to criticism about the waves of meat grinder he's sending. Real numbers are probably way worse. >
  
  The top prosecutor then mysteriously and “accidentally” fell out of the window. >
  
  To die.  They weren't sent to fight, they were sent to die.  Remember that, mothers and fathers of Russia, your offspring has been sent to Ukraine to die in a war you have no hope of winning, perpetuated and maintained by an egotistical, tiny man who doesn't that your children will die. >
  
  This is all manufactured. There is no unapproved criticism in Russia. >
  
  He must live in a one story with no windows and cook his own food. >
  
  Defenestration in 3. 2. … >
  
  There are a lot of high tier comments regarding the nuance of stating “just under 5 digits”. 
  This war did not need to happen, it should never have happened and Putin is a self serving shill who should be shot, full stop. 
  The war in Ukraine does not deserve nuance, it deserves condemnation and Putin should be hanged. >
  
  Breaking news: A fridge falls off a balcony on to Russia’s top prosecutor. >
  
  This dude is going to gal out of a window in…3-2-1 >
  
  I think you mean former top Russian prosecutor… >
  
  Let's hope this guy stays away from windows... >
  
  Well, nice know you prosecuter bro >
  
  What's really 'illegal' in Russia? >
  
  1 person's death is a tragedy.  9,000 persons deaths are a statistic.  
  (Quote loosely based on statement by a prior Russian leader) >
  
  Watch out the window might be coming for you