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  I dont think OP thinks transwomen are more predatory (which i highly doubt they are). I think they are more concerned with men pretending to be trans, just to be a creepo in the bathroom. Men pretending to be trans is a fair concern. They already deceive women in order to rape and assault women, maybe by pretending to be nice or pretending to be in need of help Pretending to be trans, is well within their ball park.
  
  Okay, but what's to stop them from doing this already? What's to stop them from claiming that they are cis women right now?  I'm genuinely asking, because it seems like you're implying that having a policy in which trans people can use spaces corresponding with their gender identity is somehow going to be the thing that finally lets a dedicated sexual predator get away with the crime they've always wanted to commit.
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  My mom is one of the 10 percent of cis woman with increased facial hair growth. She usually shaves but has a cancer that’s making her too weak to shave and increasing the hair growth further. 
  Without exaggeration she has a very noticeable 5 clock shadow on most days. I can easily see people assuming she’s a trans woman. 
  If someone wanted to enforce sex or genital separated bathrooms does she have to take off her pants in front of everyone else to show she has a vagina before entering? Does she have to show video of her giving birth to me to prove she is cis? >
  
  Thank you for support doing fine right now thanks for reaching out and sharing! I’m actually a non-binary person with a beard that leans more towards woman than man most days so that’s helped with this specific issue for both of us as we have extremely similar experiences >
  
  That is good to hear.  Family support is critical for everyone, but especially those going through cancer treatment. >
  
  So, you want to force Trans men into women's lockers rooms.
  You can't tell cis from trans men so any cis men who are predators can now go into these spaces by claiming they're trans men and have no choice.
  That seems to be less safe. >
  
  “You can’t tell cis from trans men “ uh…yes you fucking can >
  
  No you can't. >
  
  How do u think that like 80% of trans men look idk not biologically male they look feminine. I’m not being mean it’s just true I don’t see how people couldn’t tell >
  
  Most of the transmen you've seen in your life you had no clue were trans. >
  
  Hmm idk >
  
  If you did know they wouldn't be passing. >
  
  Ya and a lot of them don’t pass or not a lot >
  
  Some don't but most do. >
  
  Alr >
  
  
  Why is it okay to take safety away from us? 
  
  What about sex-segregated spaces ACTUALLY makes you safe?
  Does a woman placard on the door physically prevent a would-be rapist from entering? Does it keep a cis man from walking in and assaulting, peeping, or harassing people?
  
  How do we tell a transwomen from a man pretending to be one in order to gain access to these vulnerable spaces for wrongdoing?
  
  You can probably tell by whether or not they're minding their own business and changing or if they're harassing someone, same as you would literally anyone else in the room.
  Frankly, as a butch lesbian, I find this obsession with sex-segregated spaces for the "safety" of women actually laughable. I've gotten all manner of nasty looks, comments, and attitudes by women who decided I'm a predator because of being masc, despite not being a trans woman or a man. Cis women are generally fixated on this for the perceived safety of feminine, socially acceptable women, and but have no interest in whether or not the spaces actually provide them any safety or if the hypervigilance against "threats" (who are just people washing their hands/changing their clothes/literally not interacting with you) is actually harming OTHER women. >
  
  It doesn't entirely prevent it but it allows women to speak out if a man is accessing their space. If there is a law in place allowed anyone to use any restroom/changing room, they will just be told the person is allowed to be in there if they identify as a woman.
  Also, it is not just active harassment. A lot of predators would be fine simply staring at young girls changing, or able to secretly take pictures, place a hidden camera, or intentionally make others uncomfortable with gratuitous nudity/borderline inappropriate behavior. 
  Thank you for sharing your experience. I don't want or agree with hypervigilance against masc-presenting cisgender women like that. >
  
  How would you feel about cutting out sex segregation and doing away with communal changing/bathrooms altogether?
  We have the technology and the resources to make stalls proper walls, and similarly we can divide up communal changing rooms.
  This would make individuals more comfortable (because I can guarantee, even amongst their own sex basically 0 people enjoy anything communal with strangers) and it solves the issues of women feeling discomfort and trans women being beaten almost to death.
  Win-win.
  How does that sound to you, as an alternative solution? >
  
  I would not be opposed to this solution. I definitely favor when stalls are their own tiny rooms, this is much safer. >
  
  Would you say that this constitutes a change in your view? De-sex-segregating and changing everything to be non-communal would be safer for men and women, and satisfy every party involved.
  Feel free to delta me, if so! >
  
  Haha, I suppose it could be! It does go against my view of sex segregated areas. I haven't felt compelled to give a delta to anyone else yet so here you are. !delta
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  Well, we can see if this actually happens. In some places we already allow people to use the bathroom matching their gender identity. And, well, nobody seems to have seen a problem with sexual assault being more common. So this doesn't seem to be a well-founded fear. >
  
  I mean...These incidents do in fact happen. Maybe there hasn't been a significant rise noticeable by officials, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Also, these predators don't have to actively commit a crime. Simply being in a changing room and getting off from staring at undressed women/young girls is lowkey but still very much not okay. >
  
  
  I mean...These incidents do in fact happen. Maybe there hasn't been a significant rise noticeable by officials, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Also, these predators don't have to actively commit a crime. Simply being in a changing room and getting off from staring at undressed women/young girls is lowkey but still very much not okay.
  
  The question isn't whether incidents literally ever happen ever.  Obviously trans people are human like the rest of us, and that means sometimes trans people are assholes who make other people uncomfortable or even attack them.  Because the same is true for everybody in every demographic.
  The question is whether or not trans women are more likely to attack cis women in "women only spaces" than other cis women are.  And so far there's no evidence to suggest that. >
  
  I dont think OP thinks transwomen are more predatory (which i highly doubt they are). I think they are more concerned with men pretending to be trans, just to be a creepo in the bathroom. Men pretending to be trans is a fair concern. They already deceive women in order to rape and assault women, maybe by pretending to be nice or pretending to be in need of help Pretending to be trans, is well within their ball park.