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  UP = Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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  In the southern hemisphere neither is. So kinda depends on where you are >
  
  wait till you learn that seasons don’t necessarily start on 22nd of something (Mar Jun Sep Dec) and are a made-up concept. 
  for example, USSR decided that starting smth on a 22nd was inconvenient, so in the whole exUSSR winter starts on Dec 1, which definitely makes December the winter month (because all of the exUSSR is in the northern hemisphere). Spring starts March 1 so March is not a winter month. 
  Moreover, closer to equator there is no such thing as “winter”, there is normally a rainy and a dry season that don’t even have any fixed dates cause as others have noticed the actual weather behind these events is not tied to the calendar so closely. >
  
  Depends when the ground hog sees his shadow you trogladite, get with modern science... >
  
  I watched Groundhog Day today for the first time in a decade. Half way through the movie I realised it's set on February 2nd and I was watching it on February 2nd (in Australia anyway). >
  
  It's February 2nd in the states too >
  
  It was still the 1st in the states when I watched it lol >
  
  Ohh, I thought you meant you were in Australia, mb >
  
  I am. I meant I watched it about midday here so it was the 2nd in Australia, but not yet in the US at the time. Sorry for the confusion, I really didn't need to add that detail. >
  
  Ah, actually gotcha this time >
  
  Always found it bizarre that folks would think a season starts on the solstice. Surely the temperature data doesn't support this >
  
  Yeah, in the calendar here (Ireland) the winter months are November, December and January with the winter solstice being close to the middle of the season. Makes a lot more sense to me. >
  
  Welcome to Americanthoughts.
  The seasons change depending on where you live. And over 95% of the human population live outside the US. >
  
  As an American... I think the official denotations are BS and don't align with the way the seasons actually feel. >
  
  This is why New Year's day was celebrated on the first day of Spring instead of Winter. >
  
  Solstices and equinoxes do not mark start of a season, but midpoints. >
  
  Looking back at photos from this winter, we've had snow since late October >
  
  Here in the UP, winter starts in late October and ends in early May. >
  
  UP? Sounds like Saskatchewan. Winter for 7 months, summer for 2, other chilly/warm for another 3.