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  I didn't say stop, just gave a few suggestions. .
context: Russia has lost so much, to gain nothing but global hatred. >
  
  All over a war torn country which Russia lacks the resources or economy to rebuild. Ok, so if they do get the territories or country? It would end up looking like how they left Grozny. >
  
  I think they have the resources. Economy will be tricky of course though >
  
  That's assuming Russia will have a decisive victory and acquiescence from the Ukrainians during occupation.  Russia has been shockingly ineffective at a quick takeover of Ukraine.  Ukrainians have responded in a decidedly non-docile way so far, and have regained so much ground, there's no reason to believe they will accept less than removal or liquidation of the Russian occupation forces. >
  
  This war rages on because Russia can’t walk away with zero gain, despite them being entitled to jack shit.
  They want the war over, but not at the asking price of leaving empty handed. Pathetic >
  
  We want to start negotiations!*
  *As long as the STARTING point is us getting everything we want. >
  
  you always start a negotiation by asking for more knowing you'll get less. you don't start with your final offer. >
  
  But in this case they are refusing start the negotiation. This isn't a start of discussions, this is a price to start discussions. >
  
  Ok this really annoys me.
  You CAN NOT negotiate with Russia.
  They will break an agreement at any time when it suits them.
  Would you believe someone's word when they constantly lie and break promises? >
  
  Right they broke the agreement after they took Crimea. Putin just wants everything his way and there is no discussion about that. >
  
  Serious question, do Russians owe anything for breaking the Crimea treaty and the treaty from 90’s?    Did they pay? >
  
  Good question and one to which I do not know the answer. Just a guess: nothing happened and no payments were made. I think that is one of the reasons that Putin invaded Ukraine again. >
  
  It sounds like putin will have a credibility issue with anything he promises.   It should put him at a disadvantage in my opinion >
  
  I agree. >
  
  If Russia walks away from this with even one square meter of land then Europe will have failed and will pay the price in the future. We have a chance to make a global example of Russia here - despots and invaders will be utterly destroyed and will get nothing. >
  
  If Russia walks away from this with even one square meter of land, they will be back next year. >
  
  shit i'll donate a square meter of my backyard if it means russia fucking off back to their hidey hole. i'l even ship it over there >
  
  That's a good way to have russia all up in your house and shit; in a couple years they'll want to annex your kitchen. >
  
  I’m willing to give the kitchen but no one touches the book shelf >
  
  They'll agree to leave the books alone, but they will break that promise as soon as they think you're not paying attention closely enough. >
  
  Ukraine is right.
  Any gain made by Russia would encourage them to do it again.  They should be punished for their aggression, not appeased. >
  
  Yeah, let's have them return Karelia to Finland, maybe even Petsamo... >
  
  Why stop there? South Kurils, Tuzla Island, South Ossetia, as well as forcing them to end their recognition and military occupation of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Transnistria.