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  brilliant ...
  BAKE THEM into submission!
  🎈
context: TIL Jamaica had a military >
  
  I was in montego bay and passed a truck full of jamaican military. 
  They mostly do disaster relief and counter terrorism. >
  
  I need some of Dudu’s coke >
  
  Haitians might prefer the gangs to the UN because the UN doesn’t have a great track record in Haiti. Read about it and you’ll understand >
  
  I’ll understand? You just were whooshed by a very simple joke… >
  
  I responded to the wrong person lol. I think I meant to respond to you by saying 'all the coke in my town is already doo-do' >
  
  Ok that makes sense, I was wondering how that could possibly go over anyone’s head lol. But for real, any blow makes me go Dudu so I’m not a fan of the diarrhea powder >
  
  No offense to Jamaica, but I hope they will not try to tackle it alone. Maybe a coalition of neighboring countries? >
  
  I suspect Canada will get involved. We have deep cultural ties to Haiti and we've basically been helping Haiti for the last 30 years. >
  
  Is Canada open to leading a coalition with Jamaica, etc.? >
  
  Our current leadership is very indecisive in terms of peacekeeping missions and military involvement.  I think it's more likely they'll wait for someone else to take the lead (like the UN). >
  
  Hmm... Well, then Haiti has to wait... >
  
  I'm sure that will turn out well. US is over here chainsmoking in the corner like, 'Good luck with that, these things always work out well'. >
  
  This type of international collaboration is what's needed to combat organized crime. >
  
  Haiti is a lost cause. They offer nothing to the world but poverty, there is no incentive for anyone to ruin their own reputation and send their own soldiers home in caskets to try and remove shit out of a sewer. And they will just get mad at whoever comes to try and help them, not to mention the problems with foreign soldiers bringing rape and disease. Haitians just need to find an equilibrium state with their gangs, because sending them money so it can be stolen is not in the interest in anyone outside of Haiti. >
  
  It's a lose lose for the US. We intervene its "American imperialism!!!" We don't intervene it's "America doesn't care about poor people, black people etc"  given that the US is going to get blamed regardless I vote for the solution that doesn't involve throwing more tax dollars into a money pit like Hati. >
  
  If Afghanistan is any indication, we are terrible at nation building a broken nation...and most likely will make the situation worse 
  The USA should stay out. >
  
  What makes you think Haiti is comparable to Afghanistan?
  It's not like intervention has never worked, Kosovo, the first Gulf War, and Bosnia are examples of very successful US-led interventions. >
  
  Your examples were direct military action to end a war between nations/ethnic groups.  
  That isn't the situation in Haiti at all. >
  
  This would also be direct military intervention, just obviously not on the same scale.
  Also that would still make it completely different from Afghanistan. >
  
  Direct military intervention for who exactly?  Haiti doesn't have a functional government. >
  
  What's going on over there? >
  
  Massive Gang violence, protests, general civil unrest, outbreak of cholera, fuel shortages, clean drinking water shortages. 
  Dominican Republic described it as a low intensity civil war >
  
  I wonder why DR hasn’t invaded Haiti, considering they’re right next door >
  
  Because everyone likes to hate on the USA until they need them.
  And no, I'm not American. >
  
  I don't think that's why the DR hasn't invaded Haiti >
  
  Agreed. Everyone liking to hate on the US until they need them would be a strange reason for DR not to invade Haiti. >
  
  Because the DR described it as a low intensity civil war >
  
  That’ll go well. The JDF is an absolute joke of an organization. >
  
  What's Central America's overall military capabilities? Could they try to form some kind of coalition effort?
  Start by making it clear to the Haitian citizens that they're trying to help with leaflets or something. Take their sweet time fixing stuff from one end of the country to the other as opposed to trying to address every region at once. >
  
  Weak, under funded, unruly,  self serving >
  
  What could go wrong? >
  
  Rastamarines landing on the shore >
  
  They should probably deal with the gangs in Jamaica first >
  
  Has Jamaica ever fought anyone? >
  
  I googled it and it seems like they helped the US in its invasion of Grenada in the 80s. >
  
  Can't wait for the glorious Jamaican Empire to arise >
  
  You know what they say “15th time is the charm.” >
  
  Didn't realize how bad it was there until I watched Indigo Traveller's videos on it...good fucking luck >
  
  Thank you, Jamaica! >
  
  Hell yeah Jamaica stepping up for a brutally long frustrating situation >
  
  Theyre gonna find out the hard way. >
  
  Haiti should probably just be annexed by anyone else at this point. >
  
  Wonder what kinda of smoke grenades they'll pack. >
  
  I can just see a whole squad of Rasta comming ashore  sorry I'm bad I know this is wrong but lol >
  
  That should help ease tensions at least >
  
  seems like some of britain rubbed of on jamaica 🇲🇩 >
  
  Well to be honest as much as I hate getting involved. What better use could we have for an army if not to help people in need. >
  
  Why teach history if we can't learn its lessons? >
  
  Far off into what-of territory, I know, but this seems like it could be an opportunity for US/Cuba cooperation if there was the will for it. The US could provide aid to both, Cuba could help Haitians evacuate and get a bunch of new citizens who would at this point be willing to accept a restrictive government now that they've had a taste of no government (and if they went to an actual democracy, would be grateful and vote for the people who rescued them). US gets a friendlier neighbor that can follow the South Korea/Taiwan model of opening up as prosperity arrives, Cuba gets aid and a huge new trading partner, Haitians get to live in a functioning society again, everyone who stays behind has less competition for scarce resources. Not going to happen, because those Florida Cuban exiles have endless hate for the Cuban government, but the opportunity is there. >
  
  This is even more ridiculous than a “what-if”. Total nonsense. >
  
  brilliant ...
  BAKE THEM into submission!
  🎈 >
  
  I hope they know what they are dealing with before getting stuck on that problem long term. >
  
  That's exactly what Haiti needs, an another gang! Because that's what JDF is >
  
  Jamaica should do a humanitarian intervention in Jamaica >
  
  Of course this sub salivates and screams to give Ukraine the entire US and European arsenal but gif forbid anyone advocates for direct military intervention into a humanitarian disaster state (caused by equal parts natural disaster, corruption, and foreign debt forced on Haiti). People in this thread are literally calling it “shit hole” like the fucking privilege. Also, I have no illusion that some of this is due to race. >
  
  Your the exact reason the US should not get involved. To fix this would require a shit ton of work and some hard choices. The second the US makes one of these hard choices, people like you will try to crucify the US for “exploiting”, “profiteering” or god knows what else. You already  doing this with statements like “foreign debt forced of Haiti”. No one forced Haiti to take foreign money but if no one offered them money to borrow you’ll be screaming racism. If the US was to get involved the criticism would be 100x worse from people like you. >
  
  Sure. Sound logic there big guy. People like me who are advocating for intervention would be upset when said intervention happens. The brain on this one! >
  
  Jamaica has a army ? Wow 
  Is this not one of these cases for the united nations with blue helmets trying to bring back a failed state type of scenarios? >
  
  Why even have a haiti? Dominican republic is doing much better and the island isnt that big. Let them govern it >
  
  They dont want it.  Nobody wants haiti >
  
  Military on island time. >
  
  I never really considered Jamaica to be much of a military power. Though, seeing how desperate the situation is in Haiti, they could probably use all the help they could get. Seeing as their military is mostly oriented towards disaster relief and counter-terrorism - and Haiti is currently wracked by gang warfare and left scarred by countless natural disasters - they would probably be able to do some good. >
  
  Unfortunately, I'm not sure there is much Jamaica could do, and it would probably be very costly for Jamaica.  A very dangerous and unstable situation. >
  
  honestly at this point they really fucking need it Haiti is a clusterfuck and its people need more help than the sad excuse for a government can provide >
  
  Honorable of them to be willing to take part, and no offense intended, but the situation in Haiti is far beyond the capabilities of the Jamaican Military to handle.
  My understanding is that the world is looking for someone to lead the efforts, which the US is unwilling to do.  Honestly, there are only a handful of militaries in the world probably capable enough to unfuck the situation to an even remotely reasonable level.
  I mean, at this point, is anyone arguing that Haiti isn't a failed state? >
  
  Unless the US leads a coalition, I have a hard time seeing something work. And the US probably has 0 interest in helping. There’s nothing to gain for the US. This is also where much of the world gets mad at the US for not being the leader of the free world, but also gets mad at literally any US military intervention. 
  The Caribbean forces are not equipped for something of this scale in their own. Hell, look at Caribbean nations with armed forces, that still struggle with armed criminals in their own borders. 
  This could be something where the EU nations in the region (France, UK, Netherlands) could get involved instead of the US. But I can’t see France being welcomed. I can’t see The Netherlands being able to handle on their own, and I see 0 reasons the UK would want to get involved either. 
  I feel terrible for the people of Haiti. Really sucks. >
  
  I think maybe the best case would be a commonwealth cooperative effort, the Caribbean nations in the region in cooperation with Australia Canada and the UK for supplies potentially India as well if they wanna help out >
  
  I really hope the US doesn’t get involved. The second they do all the keyboard warriors will start calling the US war hungry and shit on the US for the next 20 years. >
  
  Lol Canada and the US here trying to pass the responsibility to someone else - Here comes Jamaica lmfao - >
  
  Meanwhile, it’s neither the US nor Canada’s responsibility. >
  
  Neither is Ukraine but 🤷‍♂️. If one is okay to get involved in so is the other. >
  
  
  
  Ukraine is being acted on by an external power. Haiti is suffering from internal turmoil.
  
  
  We do not have any “boots on the ground” in Ukraine. We would certainly have to place a large occupying presence in Haiti.
  
  
  Ukraine had a functioning central government, Haiti is virtually in chaos.
  
  
  We can actually do something about Ukraine. Haiti might be a lost cause no matter what we do.
  
  
  Ukraine is actively requesting assistance. I can’t imagine most Haitians want to see US troops (and they would be troops) in their country. >
  
  Haiti is begging for international intervention. And even if most of your points revolve around us not putting any boots on the ground then at least back a group within Haiti and give them support to regain control of their country. But no, the only thing redditors on this sub do is claim it’s a lost cause crap country while simultaneously rabidly asking for the western worlds entire arsenal for Ukraine. Not Palestine or Yemen or South Sudan get any sort of acknowledgment or support. >
  
  Ok, hold on. Look at your own statement and think critically.
  “Back a group.” Which group? How does the US determine what group is the right one to support? What happens if that group isn’t popular in Haiti, or fails to lead effectively? Isn’t that just the exact unilateral action everyone blames the US for all the time anyway?
  “Give them support to regain control of the country.” Like, what, regime change? Or should we just start flooding an already chaotic place with military equipment? That’s incredibly irresponsible, and if you don’t believe me ask Afghanistan.
  Also, Ukraine isn’t Haiti. Is it fucked up that the west is protecting its own in Ukraine while letting Palestine and Yemen go to Hell? Absolutely. But that doesn’t change the dynamic of Haiti, which is FUCKED. The infrastructure’s fucked, the economy’s always been fucked, the government is fucked, and now the entire social fabric is coming apart. 
  So bearing all that in mind, exactly what would you like the US to do? >
  
  I gave you options and your sentiments are clearly express your attitude to the island nation of Haiti.
  “Which group.” The group the US deans beneficial for stability in the Caribbean. That’s not hard to understand. Rwanda utilized the Tutsi liberation army to end the genocide backed by various nations in Africa. Rawanda was the fastest growing economy in Africa for a bit. And at the same time that’s exactly what we’re doing in Ukraine because there are legitimate factions in the Donbas who don’t like the government and how it was overthrown. (I’m sure you’ll call me a shill but Dr. Dominique Arel and the Unamed War does a great job of explaining this) 
  Is it a regirme change when there is no clear government in control? The change from gang ruled anarchy to something else is a much better change than your giving it credit for. And yes military and humanitarian support. No you don’t have to give them himars but ammo and food seems pretty nice. Even if the stability ends up looking like Cuba it’s better than what’s going on now. >
  
  No amount of soldiers, guns, and money can magically create order from chaos. You just get better armed warlords with nicer stuff. >
  
  Already well this is going nowhere. >
  
  Well I guess Hati is about to disappear on the map along with all its gold that Bill Clinton's brother mines outta there that and other precious earth metals. >
  
  No military intervention please! Even if it would be the necessary thing to do at this point, Haitians won't see it that way. They've had enough of foreign interventions in their country.
  This is an internal problem and it needs an internal solution by the Haitians for Haitians. >
  
  Oh man. 
  Jamaica mind your business. 
  Haiti is always gonna be like this. 
  Send people to die isn’t gonna change anything. >
  
  The two countries are physically close enough that its in Jamaica's self interest to help stabilize Haiti. >
  
  Oh man. 
  Jamaica mind your business. 
  Haiti is always gonna be like this. 
  Sending people to die isn’t gonna change anything. >
  
  Oh man. 
  Jamaica mind your business. 
  Haiti is always gonna be like this. 
  Sending people to die isn’t gonna change anything. >
  
  This will only supercharge their guns for drugs trade with Haiti >
  
  TIL Jamaica had a military >
  
  I was in montego bay and passed a truck full of jamaican military. 
  They mostly do disaster relief and counter terrorism. >
  
  I need some of Dudu’s coke >
  
  Haitians might prefer the gangs to the UN because the UN doesn’t have a great track record in Haiti. Read about it and you’ll understand >
  
  I’ll understand? You just were whooshed by a very simple joke… >
  
  I responded to the wrong person lol. I think I meant to respond to you by saying 'all the coke in my town is already doo-do' >
  
  Ok that makes sense, I was wondering how that could possibly go over anyone’s head lol. But for real, any blow makes me go Dudu so I’m not a fan of the diarrhea powder >
  
  No offense to Jamaica, but I hope they will not try to tackle it alone. Maybe a coalition of neighboring countries? >
  
  I suspect Canada will get involved. We have deep cultural ties to Haiti and we've basically been helping Haiti for the last 30 years. >
  
  Is Canada open to leading a coalition with Jamaica, etc.? >
  
  Our current leadership is very indecisive in terms of peacekeeping missions and military involvement.  I think it's more likely they'll wait for someone else to take the lead (like the UN). >
  
  Hmm... Well, then Haiti has to wait... >
  
  I'm sure that will turn out well. US is over here chainsmoking in the corner like, 'Good luck with that, these things always work out well'. >
  
  This type of international collaboration is what's needed to combat organized crime. >
  
  Haiti is a lost cause. They offer nothing to the world but poverty, there is no incentive for anyone to ruin their own reputation and send their own soldiers home in caskets to try and remove shit out of a sewer. And they will just get mad at whoever comes to try and help them, not to mention the problems with foreign soldiers bringing rape and disease. Haitians just need to find an equilibrium state with their gangs, because sending them money so it can be stolen is not in the interest in anyone outside of Haiti. >
  
  It's a lose lose for the US. We intervene its "American imperialism!!!" We don't intervene it's "America doesn't care about poor people, black people etc"  given that the US is going to get blamed regardless I vote for the solution that doesn't involve throwing more tax dollars into a money pit like Hati. >
  
  If Afghanistan is any indication, we are terrible at nation building a broken nation...and most likely will make the situation worse 
  The USA should stay out. >
  
  What makes you think Haiti is comparable to Afghanistan?
  It's not like intervention has never worked, Kosovo, the first Gulf War, and Bosnia are examples of very successful US-led interventions. >
  
  Your examples were direct military action to end a war between nations/ethnic groups.  
  That isn't the situation in Haiti at all. >
  
  This would also be direct military intervention, just obviously not on the same scale.
  Also that would still make it completely different from Afghanistan. >
  
  Direct military intervention for who exactly?  Haiti doesn't have a functional government. >
  
  What's going on over there? >
  
  Massive Gang violence, protests, general civil unrest, outbreak of cholera, fuel shortages, clean drinking water shortages. 
  Dominican Republic described it as a low intensity civil war >
  
  I wonder why DR hasn’t invaded Haiti, considering they’re right next door >
  
  Because everyone likes to hate on the USA until they need them.
  And no, I'm not American. >
  
  I don't think that's why the DR hasn't invaded Haiti >
  
  Agreed. Everyone liking to hate on the US until they need them would be a strange reason for DR not to invade Haiti. >
  
  Because the DR described it as a low intensity civil war >
  
  That’ll go well. The JDF is an absolute joke of an organization. >
  
  What's Central America's overall military capabilities? Could they try to form some kind of coalition effort?
  Start by making it clear to the Haitian citizens that they're trying to help with leaflets or something. Take their sweet time fixing stuff from one end of the country to the other as opposed to trying to address every region at once. >
  
  Weak, under funded, unruly,  self serving >
  
  What could go wrong? >
  
  Rastamarines landing on the shore >
  
  They should probably deal with the gangs in Jamaica first >
  
  Has Jamaica ever fought anyone? >
  
  I googled it and it seems like they helped the US in its invasion of Grenada in the 80s. >
  
  Didn't realize how bad it was there until I watched Indigo Traveller's videos on it...good fucking luck >
  
  You know what they say “15th time is the charm.” >
  
  Can't wait for the glorious Jamaican Empire to arise >
  
  I really hope the US doesn’t get involved. The second they do all the keyboard warriors will start calling the US war hungry and shit on the US for the next 20 years. >
  
  Thank you, Jamaica! >
  
  Hell yeah Jamaica stepping up for a brutally long frustrating situation >
  
  Theyre gonna find out the hard way. >
  
  Haiti should probably just be annexed by anyone else at this point. >
  
  Wonder what kinda of smoke grenades they'll pack. >
  
  I can just see a whole squad of Rasta comming ashore  sorry I'm bad I know this is wrong but lol >
  
  That should help ease tensions at least >
  
  seems like some of britain rubbed of on jamaica 🇲🇩 >
  
  Well to be honest as much as I hate getting involved. What better use could we have for an army if not to help people in need. >
  
  Why teach history if we can't learn its lessons? >
  
  Far off into what-of territory, I know, but this seems like it could be an opportunity for US/Cuba cooperation if there was the will for it. The US could provide aid to both, Cuba could help Haitians evacuate and get a bunch of new citizens who would at this point be willing to accept a restrictive government now that they've had a taste of no government (and if they went to an actual democracy, would be grateful and vote for the people who rescued them). US gets a friendlier neighbor that can follow the South Korea/Taiwan model of opening up as prosperity arrives, Cuba gets aid and a huge new trading partner, Haitians get to live in a functioning society again, everyone who stays behind has less competition for scarce resources. Not going to happen, because those Florida Cuban exiles have endless hate for the Cuban government, but the opportunity is there. >
  
  This is even more ridiculous than a “what-if”. Total nonsense.