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  Quite frankly, it could be used as a source of power. The only reason we don’t is that they just don’t stop spinning for even a second.
context: Watching republicans try to spin them being unable to control their own party as the democrats fault has been interesting. >
  
  I missed it, how are they trying to spin this ? >
  
  Implying Dems are the ones holding the process up by not flipping to McCarthy to help them over their own hurdle. >
  
  
  Implying Dems are the ones holding the process up by not flipping to McCarthy to help them over their own hurdle.
  
  Hey, Dems nominated a guy, republicans could flip and be done with it. >
  
  He is losing votes lmao.  I am civic illiterate, I don’t get why this is an indefinite vote just seems like a waste of time at the cost of American citizens. >
  
  Neither of them has the majority of votes. It’s never a given that the party that has the majority in the chamber has the speaker, it’s just expected since they SHOULD have the majority of votes to elect one. The Dems have been solid behind their leadership and aren’t budging, but until one of the two candidates crests the majority needed this will continue. That can also be accomplished if some of the republicans start voting as present or just not showing up. There is a non-zero chance this ends up with a democratic speaker and majority leader in the senate. >
  
  A Democratic Speaker in a Republican majority House. Wouldn't that be something. Not up on my history, but has this ever happened before? >
  
  Not at the federal level but it has at the state level. >
  
  Where and when? Finding it hard to Google. >
  
  This is a joke. None of these “freedom caucus” morons actually care about governing. It’s all about social media and personal profit. It’s sad that they actually have constituents that support them. A failure of our public education system. >
  
  This is what you get when you elect people who believe that compromise is a dirty word.  They can't even budge an inch to get on the same page as the people they are closest to, never mind the other side of the aisle.
  In many ways it reminds me of how the deepest religious hatreds are often between sects that seem quite similar to an outsider. >
  
  And the will also vote against a bill them turn around and tell their constituents that they helped bring such and such a program to their district >
  
  Honestly, genuinely curious what the HFC's constituencies who voted for them are thinking right now. Surely this isn't what you wanted when you voted them in to the seats they hold right now, right?
  I'd be so sincerely embarrassed if I had voted for this. Shout out Seth Magaziner from my district, hell of a guy. Proud to know he reps me for the right reasons. >
  
  It’s exactly what they voted for, I think. 
  They wanted outsiders to go and break the “deep state” and the secret cabal that actually runs the country (which includes whichever flavour of RINO that given week). 
  McCarthy is being supported and pushed by the GOP’s establishment which the HFC supports only so long as they keep an R and go full fascist. McCarthy doesn’t represent full fascism so he’s gotta go. 
  I suspect you’ll see lots of pointing to the GOP’s support of McCarthy, against the fascists of the HFC, Will galvanize those voters as proof of the deep state and reinforce a Never-McCarthy. >
  
  Ahh When 222 folks are in the same party, and 20 of them call 202 RINOs.of course they called G HW Bush, George W, Mitt Romney, John Boehner, Paul Ryan that as well. 
  Wise money says they will say that about their Trump before 2024. >
  
  “Not my circus, not my monkeys.” >
  
  We should point out that if it were Trump, he would
  
  claim he had no blame for the mess even though it probably involved Republicans he endorsed
  claim to be talking to both GOP and Dem Congresspeople about making a deal, when no such talks ever take place
  claim credit whenever someone does finally get picked as the Speaker >
  
  This is what I said yesterday. When asked about McCarthy, Trump said we'll see. This opened ended statement allows Trump to say he never wanted Kevin to be Speaker if he doesn't get it, and also say Kevin will be a great Speaker if he gets it. So Trump is never "wrong." >
  
  Remember the 2022 Missouri Senate primary where Trump endorsed "Eric"? Both candidates were named Eric. >
  
  
  Both candidates were named Eric.
  
  Heh, me too. 🤫 >
  
  
  me too
  
  Yes, this phrase often comes up when discussing Trump. >
  
  It’s like Schrodinger’s Candidate, both a democrat and a Republican until he specifies which Eric he meant. >
  
  Good Erics on both sides >
  
  "Work it out amongst yourselves." - Me to my kids when they squabble over stupid stuff.
  Also Biden to House Republicans. >
  
  And yet mom always got mad at me for going to the ropes and bringing down the people's elbow on my sister. It was MY turn on the N64! >
  
  What a jabroni >
  
  Used to automatically think of the Rock when I heard this. Now I immediately think of Mac for IASIP >
  
  You keep using this word jabroni, is it like a hockey term? >
  
  You keep using this word, jabroni, and it's awesome! >
  
  Listening to these Republican congressmen on the floor trying to mop up their mess reveals to me just how disingenuous they are, how out of touch while delivering their platitudes, quoting MLK, repeating uninspired buzz words, going on the offensive, it's all theater. 
  These representatives echoing their unfounded grievances across the room couldn't care less about any real American struggle, about the real threat to this nation's progress, its democracy, its people's livelihoods, and freedoms, its children's futures. 
  This is a party eager to usher in a regressive platform, to implement an agenda steeped in lies and entitlement, their chauvinism disguised as patriotism, jingoism disguised as some counter-revolutionary movement seeking to destroy a radical left-wing monster of its own manufacturing, and all while a rift within their party has them bickering over which faction's anachronistic vision will come to fruition. >
  
  Even more insidious is that this is all part of their plan to reduce trust in institutions. They want this to look incompetent and they want people to lower expectations. >
  
  I never hold any trust in Republican lead institutions. Democrats on the other hand at least get shit done. The Senate sure didn’t seem to have any issues. >
  
  Biden getting involved would only make the House Republicans unify against him.
  So long as there's a chance of a bipartisan unity Speaker deal, Biden should stay hands off and let the House Republicans tear each other apart. >
  
  Never interrupt your enemy when he's in the middle of making a mistake. >
  
  Please proceed, governor. >
  
  Probably my favorite debate burn of all time, and it's not some low-brow insult or hit job. Barack knows when he said it, he knows Mitt has it wrong, and Mitt pushes him twice so he let's him dig his grave. >
  
  This was back when Republicans would actually attempt to make a positive showing at debates rather than just screaming like the apes in 2001 when the monolith appeared, and that’s if they even show up to a debate. Sadly that was when Republican “intelligence” crested and the wave has since rolled back. >
  
  Let's be clear though, Romney lead to Trump. McCain lead to Trump. Bush lead to Trump.
  Like, that video is Mitt Romney making up bullshit to discredit a Democrat. You know, the thing every 'crazy Republican' is doing. Mitt Romney wasn't respectable, nor was McCain or any of them. They just were better at pretending to be. >
  
  McCain was the last stop before crazy-town.
  I liked him. As much as one can like Conservatives. Wouldn’t vote for him personally but I could see why people did if I squinted real hard.
  Then the crumbling (political) infrastructure went from “this works… kinda… for some (white) people” 
  to 
  “what if America did (another) racism? Ohh! Or fascism! Yeah! Fuck everyone! We matter!” “We” being an ever tightening term that includes fewer and fewer people. Now literal dogs have better rights than humans with disturbing frequency. So that’s fun.
  Like… I want to leave. THIS is the bad place. >
  
  I'm so glad Democrats aren't falling over themselves to "embrace bipartisanship" and save Kevin McCarthy from the problem he and his party caused for themselves. Biden is right. This isn't the Democratic Party's problem, and they shouldn't be offering to save any republican. Republicans would NEVER come to the table and help Democrats if the situation were reversed. Not for one damn second. So all the calls for Democrats to "abstain" or "show some bipartisan leadership" are all disingenuous bullshit from a party that needs help wiping it's own ass. >
  
  For real.  Fuck them.  Let the Rs stew in their own pile of shit.  Who gives a fuck if they can't elect a speaker.  Maybe now people will see they don't intend to govern whatsoever, just make things a veritable circus instead.  Drama over country. >
  
  I am loving Biden’s “not my problem so fuck ‘em” energy right now. >
  
  Yesterday on Twitter, Lindsay Graham warned Republicans to get behind Kevin McCarthy, to stop Hakeem Jeffries and the Dems:
  
  How does this end? When Kevin McCarthy secures 213 votes - one more than Hakeem Jeffries.  
  To those Republicans who suggest it is better to have Hakeem Jeffries as Speaker you must understand that means backing policies like:  
  ▶️  DC statehood.  
  ▶️  Puerto Rican statehood.  
  ▶️  Abolishing the Electoral College.  
  ▶️  Packing the Supreme Court.  
  ▶️  Continued broken borders.  
  Trust me when I say the legislative filibuster in the Senate is hanging by a thread.  
  The last thing we need is Hakeem Jeffries as Speaker. >
  
  I doubt if the Dems have the votes for any of those but abolishing the Electoral College would require a constitutional amendment which they definitely do not have the votes for. >
  
  Yeah none of that made sense >
  
  Its all fear mongering >
  
  Statehood for DC and Puerto Rico is the right thing to do regardless of political ramifications but we are at a point where even mentioning the idea is seen as "fear mongering" >
  
  It threatens the balance of power and status quo within Congress. While there is other legitimate arguments for not doing so, we tax DC and Puerto Rico so they deserve real power in congress. Our Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves otherwise. >
  
  Our founding fathers only wanted rich white landowners to vote, so they probably have been rolling for quite some time.