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context: And thus prescribed confidentially by USPS anywhere in the country then, right? >
  
  Sounds like it's setting up a commerce clause case, and i have no doubt Alito will decide the founders did not intend for Article 1 to exist when they wrote it in 1787. >
  
  "The founders were absolute geniuses. How else could they have my exact opinions from over 200 years later?" >
  
  If James Madison could see an semiautomatic rifle with a drum magazine he would turn over in his grave. >
  
  The second amendment was intended to extend into siege weaponry and warships. 
  I don't think that the founding fathers would have too much issue with being able to kill 100 people with one load out. 
  They probably would argue that the National Guard is the well-regulated militia they were talking about though. >
  
  The founding father clearly intended the 2nd ammendment to extend to thermonuclear weapons.
  If every white, protestant, land owning, male owned a fusion device then the U.S.A. would be impossible to attack. Who in their right mind would attack a country where a nuke could be hiding behind every blade of grass? >
  
  The year is 3522, the Intergalactic Patriotic Super Supreme Court of the United Solar Systems of America face a new conundrum. The controversial "big rip inducing device" which has long kept peace by ensuring total annihilation of every atom in the universe should it be activated is now being brought into question as a form of 'arm' that the 2nd amendment guarantees the right to for every citizen. The IPSSCUSSofA is expected to rule in favor of freedom from tyranny, and every American will be granted the right to end all existence in the blink of an eye. >
  
  Did I just witness the birth of a copypasta >
  
  Only if you continue to serve it up. That's kind of how this whole shitpost circle jerk works. lol >
  
  The year is 3522, the Intergalactic Patriotic Super Supreme Court of the United Solar Systems of America face a new conundrum. The controversial "big rip inducing device" which has long kept peace by ensuring total annihilation of every atom in the universe should it be activated is now being brought into question as a form of 'arm' that the 2nd amendment guarantees the right to for every citizen. The IPSSCUSSofA is expected to rule in favor of freedom from tyranny, and every American will be granted the right to end all existence in the blink of an eye. >
  
  With tele medicine they should make a  online consultation, prescription and mail the medication to anyone in the nation bypassing the states and  anti crowd completely. >
  
  There are some people who do this, aidaccess offers to mail the abortion pill to any state where it is allowed and it is way cheaper than it would be at a clinic. Not a lot of people know about services like that but they are around. >
  
  The testosterone crowd looking wise right now lol. 
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  This is like one of the main ways to get a proper T regime going since most docs will not help you get dialed into where you feel comfortable. >
  
  Exactly how I got started.
  Then ince you are being treated for a while a GP can give you a prescription. >
  
  I'm changing GPs and this is one of the reasons. Now I need to find a new Endo. Urologist does a slightly better job but with 4 months between appointments it's hard to get dialed in. >
  
  Article:
  The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is allowing retail pharmacies to offer abortion pills in the United States for the first time, the agency said on Tuesday, as more states seek to ban medication abortion.
  Pharmacies can apply for certification to distribute abortion pill mifepristone with one of the two companies that make it, and if successful they will be able to dispense it directly to patients upon receiving a prescription from a certified prescriber.
  The FDA had first said it would be making those changes in December 2021 when it announced it would relax risk evaluation and mitigation strategies, or REMS, on the pill, that had been in place since the agency approved it in 2000 and were lifted temporarily by the government in 2021 due to the pandemic.
  Danco Laboratories and GenBioPro, the two companies that make the drug in the United States, submitted supplemental applications that have now been approved by the FDA.
  "Under the Mifepristone REMS Program, as modified, Mifeprex and its approved generic can be dispensed by certified pharmacies or by or under the supervision of a certified prescriber," the agency said on its website on Tuesday.
  Mifeprex is the brand name version of mifepristone, which in combination with a second drug called misoprostol that has various uses including miscarriage management, induces an abortion up to 10 weeks into a pregnancy in a process known as medication abortion.
  The announcement will not provide equal access to all people, however, GenBioPro, which makes the generic version of mifepristone, said in a statement.
  Abortion bans, some targeting mifepristone, have gone into effect in more than a dozen states since the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the constitutional right to terminating pregnancies when it scrapped its landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling last year.
  Retail pharmacies will have to weigh whether or not to offer the pill and determine where they can do so.
  "We're reviewing the FDA's updated Risk Evaluation and Mitigation Strategy (REMS) drug safety program certification requirements for mifepristone to determine the requirements to dispense in states that do not restrict the dispensing of medications prescribed for elective termination of pregnancy," a spokesperson for drugstore chain owner CVS Health (CVS.N) said.
  A spokesperson for Walgreens, one of the largest U.S. pharmacies, said the company was also reviewing the FDA's regulatory change. >
  
  Do yourself a favor and flush it out -Frank Reynolds >
  
  I can't find anything about this online, does anyone have a link to a full news article?
  Edit for the people seeing this on Jan. 4:
  When this story was posted yesterday evening, the public portion of the article was a few sentences long and didn't even mention the drug name. Everyone in the comments was scratching their heads on what actually changed. Other news articles had the full info. This Reuters article was edited and added to substantially during business hours this morning. I'm sure someone noticed the fuckup online and got them to fix it.
  I trust Reuters and read their articles often, but it's frustrating when a posted article has almost zero useful information. Please stop messaging me about trusting mainstream media, holy crap. I just wanted the full info on what happened. >
  
  Thank you! I don't know how I couldn't find anything on Google
  Edit: y'all I'm fully aware of how to use Google to search for news. Nothing came up in the general results or news search results for me. >
  
  Because Google is more about shoving paid ads in your face than what you really want. >
  
  Yep.
  If the thing you're researching has any kind of market your results will be multiple pages of ads disguised as information. Ad blockers don't mean shit in 2023. >
  
  INB4 a conservative judge or 6-3 SCOTUS overrules this because the same shoddy reasoning as saying 
  
  The EPA, while created to control pollution, was not specifically given power over carbon dioxide by Congress. So that pollution limit, set by the EPA, is UN-enforceable." source >
  
  CO2 was not widely considered a pollutant when the EPA was created.
  This abortion pill thing is different.  When the court overturned Roe they said the constitution is silent on abortion so the federal government has no say.  When the federal government has no say, the constitution says the states have jurisdiction.  The FDA can approve the pill but some state will ban it setting up either a “states cannot ban pills approved by FDA” or an “interstate commerce challenge “ when a state who allows the pill sends it to one that doesn’t. >
  
  I am torn between those two schools of thought. 
  A. Should judges interpret law via the language of the era it was written, or;
  B. Should judges interpret the law via the language of today
  I’m tempted to say B. and let the legislature do their jobs and update language of laws as needed. If anyone wants to tell me why I’m stupid, feel free.
  Edit> quick note, my reasoning can be applied to both A and B, something I didn’t really think about as my comment wasn’t (clearly) thought out very well. >
  
  B would mean courts can create any law they want though since "language of today" is very arbitrary. At that point congress would be powerless really since any law they created could be interpreted very differently by courts regardless of how clear it was written.
  The most dangerous case is mixing A or B though as it fits your agenda since it would be a clear signal that courts are now sided. >
  
  By this same logic, firearms covered by 2A should be limited to muskets and smooth bore cannon. >
  
  Why not? Court decided EPA can't regulate Co2 by same logic or abortion isn't a covered right so it should also apply to 2A in the same way forcing legislative branch to amend all with today's need.
  As long as we are consistent both options can work and system will adapt. Problems come up when it is not consistent. >
  
  This application of logic only works when the Supreme Court isn’t overwhelmed with hypocritical judges hand-picked by a conservative organization to inconsistently interpret law >
  
  Since when does Reuters have an article limit??? >
  
  This is progress but this medication should be OTC given its stellar safety record and to foil forced pregnancy proponents. >
  
  You can already buy it for horses at your tractor supply. >
  
  But is it in a dose humans can take? I remember a lot of people trying to shut down their liver last year due to horse dewormer. >
  
  It's usually possible to figure out what the prescribed weight should be and derive it from that. >
  
  The tolerances in veterinary medicines are less stringent than for humans. The drug within the mount you are measuring is more variable and puts you at higher risk. >
  
  Actually nope, most veterinary meds are also human meds.  They are held to the dame quality standards unless using a compounding pharmacy. >
  
  Yep, my cat was prescribed clopidogrel which is for humans. Kind of a problem because to dose it right it has to be cut into fourths, which exposes the extremely bitter inside of the pill that makes him salivate excessively if he tastes it, so administering it can be difficult. >
  
  So that's why my cat drools like fucking crazy when I have to give him allergy meds >
  
  If you can, pick up some size 5 empty gel caps to put the pill in and hide it in some wet food. That's what's been working for me. >
  
  Could states ban this? I understand the Supremacy and Commerce Clauses well enough, but I also don’t see why this could not be legally recognized by a red state as a controlled substance.
  Different states have different policies on marijuana for medical use, ranging from complete bans to regular medical prescriptions. Could these abortion pills not also be regulated the same way? >
  
  States don’t really have the authority to “legalize” marijuana. If the federal government cared enough the legal marijuana experiment would be over immediately. There is nowhere in America where weed is actually legal to buy, sell, grow, possess, etc. >
  
  Ah, but the legal challenge could destroy the current drug laws, especially with states like Oregon seeing massive revenues compared to their budgets. The weed legalization a strange détente in which both sides have more to lose if the current status quo changes.
  Unless the Federal Government could send in the Army, there aren't enough courts/judges/prosecutors/FBI/DEA to actually enforce the law at a federal level. >
  
  They have the power of the purse. If Congress wanted weed to be illegal and enforced it would be. But it’s a losing political issue so they let it go and let states do their thing for now. >
  
  Isn't this how Reagan got the drinking age to 21? >
  
  Fine by me, I’m all for choice! The more accessible, the better. >
  
  "The president of anti-abortion group SBA Pro-Life America, Marjorie Dannenfelser, said the latest FDA move endangers women's safety and the lives of unborn children."
  Like she gives a shit about the mother. To her, that's another potentially dead "liberal". >
  
  
  Retail pharmacies will have to weigh whether or not to offer the pill and determine where they can do so.
  
  Anti-abortion terrorists revising their death lists as we speak. >
  
  I worked for a Walgreens in OK and some pharmacists won’t even let you sell plan b or it’s generic, even though it’s an OVER THE COUNTER MEDICATION, due to their “morals”. Fuck them for that tbh. 
  Bonus: I was a sexual heath ambassador (internship) for one of the colleges in the state. Do you know how embarrassing it is that the state of Oklahoma won’t properly educate adolescents over safe sex? We educate incoming freshmen, etc. Every year we do a “sex in the dark panel” where students text in anonymous questions. Without a fail, we always get asked if inserting a green skittle into your vagina prevents pregnancy…  
  That was about 5 years ago and I still go back to donate condoms AND female condoms to their department. I personally don’t use female condoms, but my insurance covers it through Favor (previously The Pill Club). >
  
  Hell places like Walgreens/cvs like doing the same shit for birth control, hrt,  opiates, and the like, too. For the same reason.
  Will straight up refuse to fill, lie about stock, not fill full prescriptions, just based on their own moral reasons. >
  
  My hometown Walgreens won’t fill my 0.5mg Xanax for anxiety but the town 30 min away will.. doc sent it early so it was on hold until I was eligible to refill. Sent it to be refilled, verified it was sent over to process, checked the status the next day after and it was put back into my request to fill account. 
  Walmart has had an opiates max policy now after the lawsuit over the drug epidemic. Couldn’t even fill my moms full prescription post cancer removal surgery. Had to go to a mom and pop drugstore to get it filled. >
  
  I can't wait for the Supreme Court to pull out "nowhere in the Constitution does the word 'pharmacy' appear" and give states the power to not only ban the sale of abortion pills but also just outright ban over-the-counter medical dispensaries as "facilitating abortion". >
  
  Good, give women the choice of whether or not they want a 20+ year financial, emotional commitment.
  Edit: adding physical and mental to the list >
  
  Most importantly the choice to not risk life and limb to undergo a 9 month disability culminating in one of the most painful things a human can experience. It is shocking how little regard you'd have to have for women to think forcing something like that is okay, it's literal torture. >
  
  I read a comment here once from a father-to-be who said a doc told him, “birth is the time when women are closer to death than most people know” or something to that effect. Pregnancy and birth destroy our bodies. They are dangerous to both mother and child. It’s not something to force on people lightly. >
  
  A lot of people don’t understand or fail to mention that, for a lot of anti-abortion, pro-“life”, religious zealots, that a fundamental belief lies in the fact that, for centuries, it was believed that women found their salvation through being lorded over men and through birthing children, as found first in Genesis 3:16:
  “To the woman he said, ‘I will make your pangs in childbirth exceedingly great; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.’”
  And it’s more explicit in the New Testament, in 1 Timothy 2:15: “Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.”
  Even if people don’t explicitly believe this anymore, there’s a lot of stigma around women who don’t have children in religious communities than there is outside of them. This kind of thinking in “all women must go through a near death experience that is birthing a child and having to raise it” is pigeonholed into and applied to ALL women as a default since it’s ultimately found in the Bible.
  I mean, the else or women going to do with their lives, time, energy and money without kids to raise, huh?…/s >
  
  Great now do albuteral >
  
  Isn't that asthma's rescue inhaler drug? Is it not otc? >
  
  It is unfortunately used as a performance enhancing drug in many sports, so this is also unlikely. ~~At the same time you can't get the old style epinephrine based inhalers OTC either.~~ edit: The OTC inhaler was discontinued for 7 years, but is back now. >
  
  You can buy Primitene mist OTC still they just did away with the one with CFC's. I believe it's behind the counter like sudafed. >
  
  You can but buy Primatene mist OTC  but it’s not albuterol as the active ingredient…it’s epinephrine >
  
  Republicans: WE LOVE CAPITALISM….wait not like that >
  
  Should be free for low income families and single mothers. Last thing we need is more kids growing up in poverty resorting to crime to survive >
  
  The republicans - 
  ( ͡ಠ ʖ̯ ͡ಠ) >
  
  Give them a second.
  They're currently trying to smudge the historic precedents set about by years and years of people living their life without issue- because it's not amusing enough for them behind their castle walls. >
  
  They’re too busy squabbling among each other deciding who should be House speaker >
  
  Thankfully the FDA doesn’t appear to be run by republicans >
  
  Religious extremists in shambles >
  
  This is great! Abortion is healthcare. >
  
  
  FDA records show a small mortality case number associated with mifepristone. As of June 2021, there were reports of 26 deaths linked with the pill out of 4.9 million people estimated to have taken it since it was approved in September 2000.
  
  By comparison:
  
  New international data show the maternal mortality rate in the U.S. continues to exceed the rate in other high-income countries. In 2020, the maternal mortality rate in the U.S. was 24 deaths per 100,000 live births — more than three times the rate in most other high-income countries.
  
  So to put it in equivalent figures, in 4,900,000 people taking mifepristone, there were 26 deaths.  In 4,900,000 pregnancies in the US, 1176 end in death.
  Go fuck yourself Marjorie Dannenfelser. >
  
  Republicans are about to tear the FDA apart telling them they don't have any power. >
  
  Question, is the FDA political at all? Did a Biden presidency elect a new FDA head? Would a republican presidency somehow affect the FDA ruling on such a thing? >
  
  The FDA was founded in response to the public political fallout of Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" and other issues with adulterated products causing injuries and death.
  Anyways, any government agency can be tampered with.  The USPS for example was undermined heavily in response to the spike in mail-in voting, not to mention the long history of undermining the postal service over the decades in various other ways. >
  
  Does this mean Mark Cuban can sell it? >
  
  Wow, finally. After over 100 years in women's rights struggles we have a sliver of autonomy back. Good work gals. >
  
  In case it isn’t painfully clear from the history of mifepristone in the US, there never was a medical reason not to do this. >
  
  It's like this in Canada, but good luck finding a doc or pharmacist that will give you it.
  Chances are 99%, you will still need to go to an abortion clinic.
  Guess how many abortion clinics are in Alberta? Two. Guess where they are? Edmonton and Calgary.
  Really convenient for the folks up far up north and down south.
  What they really need do is make them so they are at least available without a prescription. Cough cough it's a small, and easy thing to implicate Liberal and NDP parties of Canada. >
  
  You can get the prescription through telemedicine and have it mailed to you if you're not able to access a pharmacy. It's been done this way in Canada for a long time. Call telehealth in your province for advice >
  
  It has nothing to do with telehealth my friend.
  You still need the prescription. Just because the doctor is virtually meeting you, doesn't mean they will give you a script. >
  
  This should last a few days or so >
  
  Why do I hear boss music? >
  
  Just in time for... Checks notes ... New restrictions on abortion? >
  
  Fda finally coming through. Probably cost an arm and a leg. Mark Cubans website is a massive help with prices >
  
  Women who take this approach will also need some way to monitor HcG levels after their abortion. Just had a patient with retained POC months after using cytotec. Had to be surgically removed anyway. 
  From personal experience (wife had a blighted ovum) it doesn’t always go smoothly. Counseling is absolutely needed as well before and after. Took my wife months to get back to herself after the physical and emotional toll.
  In short there needs to be some kind of support system attached to the use of these pills. Telehealth state licensing laws might be an issue with this in states with strict abortion laws. >
  
  But what good is this policy if the women have to deal with a pharmacist who won’t fill the prescription due to their religious beliefs?  I’m sure that will be a lightning rod issue.  And the Governors of states that have banned medical abortions will wholeheartedly back these pharmacists. >
  
  Suck it, Supreme Court >
  
  Still no cracking down on pharmacists who refuse to do their job and fill prescriptions.  That should be illegal.  If they won't do their job, they shouldn't be in it. >
  
  Hope they do birth control pills next >
  
  Can't wait to abort myself >
  
  Nope. Thats illegal too! >
  
  It is legal in Canada. >
  
  Don't worry. Soon we will learn that the FDA does not have the authority food or drugs. >
  
  Lmao what >
  
  It's a joke based on the recent Supreme Court ruling on the EPA. Hopefully it remains a joke. >
  
  Hallelujah! Personhood for pregnant American women, regardless of State, WILL be ultimately restored, much like Dred Scott was overturned. >
  
  Good.  Fuck these religious zealots and their bs agenda. >
  
  This isn't Plan B though. This is mifepristone. Not the same at all. >
  
  Did america not have this already? >
  
  No. Plan B (which is not an abortion pill) was available - but RU486 had to be administered by a doctor. Now it can be prescribed and sold by pharmacy chains, which makes it easier to get for women who may not have access to it where they live. >
  
  “Fuck you” GOP takes new meaning >
  
  The movement to outlaw abortion will be as successful as Prohibition was. When 60 percent of the population supports abortion, it will be impossible for 40 percent to impose their will on the rest of the population. But like Prohibition, there will be unintended consequences. Women will suffer, lose their ability to conceive, and die unnecessarily. In the process, we're now providing third-world medical care to half our population. >
  
  And my state is going to ban them in 3…2…1… >
  
  Utahn here. They probably already have a trigger law to ban anything like this. Roe really made me think about what trigger laws could be standing still.
  Utah probably has anything progressive at the federal level on a trigger. >
  
  I just love how it’s being thrown in republicans faces; “abortion pill” terminology now that it is too late for them to have a say about it. >
  
  I thought they already were. Good, but this whole fiasco will be resolved in a few years and ruin the lives of many people in the meantime.
  So they lost the war on drugs and they've decided to start a war on women reproduction rights. I'm hardly surprised.
  Anything to promote outrage and keep the poor people fighting amongst themselves. Fucking stupid.
  I seriously hate this reality.
  I always vote and do my best every day to be the best person I can be. Maybe it's legit useless. I seriously don't see my vote making a difference and people still hate life despite how positive I am.
  Edit: I think dogs can help >
  
  And don't make it feel like an act of shame. You don't know the full story. Make it an easy, private, sensitive purchase. >
  
  Fucking finally. These medications have been available as OTC drugs for over a decade in most other western countries. They have decades of research behind them proving that they are very safe (as far as medicines are concerned) and very effective at preventing and stopping unwanted pregnancies.
  Next step is allowing them to be bought OTC so women don't have to jump through hoops to save themselves from a life they do not want. >
  
  A modestly respectful "suck on that" to my Bible thumping, myopic brethren >
  
  How will supply side Jesus ever recover from this? >
  
  Don't forget how to shut down all these "pro-life" fascists;
  "Why aren't you guys talking about taking down the death penalty now?" >
  
  That’s not a great comparison. They’re pro-innocent life, not against anyone dying ever. In general, at least the people on death row did something so horrible they could be judged and sentenced to death. >
  
  Yo, if this is truly the case...good. fuckin GOOOOOD >
  
  Conservative frothing intensifies >
  
  Virgin Supreme Court vs Chad FDA >
  
  Misleading title, makes it sound like OTC by “selling” but it’s literally just dispensing with a prescription… just removing the REMS program. I’m all for its availability but I’m sure I’m going to be screamed at at work by people who just read the headline and won’t understand it needs a prescription. I LOVE retail 🫠 >
  
  If it said OTC it would be misleading but it didn't say that. Those people you're referring to don't care if it's prescription or not and any headline makes them froth at the mouth. >
  
  Finally a bit of good news. I hope Roe v Wade can be re-formed. The ability to perform an abortion should be the  basic right of anybody in the USA.     
  I would like to see the statistics on stores that allow the sale of these products. Say for example if Shoppers will sell them in California but not in Texas or if they will still sell them everywhere.     
  I am not entirely sure of how the laws work in these states with selling abortion medication such as the 'Plan B' pill. Where is the line drawn between contraception and abortion medication? >
  
  Plan B is not an abortion pill. This article is not about Plan B. >
  
  Republican Texans won't be happy today. >
  
  This is a good thing ....right. >
  
  They really went pro-choice just to drop this a few months later? No coincidences… >
  
  A little late to the party bub >
  
  These should be an essential internet buy with complete confidentiality. IT IS NO ONES FUCKING BUSINESS! >
  
  How long before the Right Wing extremists SCOTUS judges make it illegal? >
  
  they're going to be stocked next to the condoms yeah? Ironic... >
  
  How? My first child is The result of a broken condom? Using one does not eliminate The need for the other >
  
  America last to the party again >
  
  Abortion healthcare is a choice between no one other than the patient, their doctor, and whichever religious, rightwing reactionary happens to be working the counter at CVS that day. >
  
  Sounds like the makings of a booming black market in Republican states. >
  
  Good to know, now to hopefully never need them so me and my gf can avoid getting judged by the old Christian lady working the counter.