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  “He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.
context: It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives. >
  
  This is a known problem with humans. Relying on "fear of consequences" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches. >
  
  I always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says "he used their love of each other against them" or something to that effect. 
  I wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. 
  Not proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments. >
  
  Too many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people >
  
  First, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. 
  Second, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. 
  I'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. 
  Would someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a "I don't give a fuck" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. 
  Definitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me. >
  
  No way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.
  The guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. 
  Plenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families >
  
  There are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. 
  There's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. 
  Anyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion. >
  
  Medically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. 
  I'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being "reasonable" >
  
  
  Shots were fired over a "disagreement of some sort" following "MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day"
  
  Sad when parents have to be on high alert at a "family fun day," not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue. >
  
  We're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.
  Edit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things. >
  
  I said nothing about assault weapons. >
  
  You can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally.  It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.
  I’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them. >
  
  Well, yes and no.  It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference.  They never had any/many guns to begin with.  We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.
  Doing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns.  Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc.  the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas.  With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect.  So let’s also focus on all the other too. >
  
  There are lots of them.  Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few. >
  
  Was from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.
  Edit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood. >
  
  Tbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live. >
  
  It’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.” >
  
  Donno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out. >
  
  JFC, nice “family event”. >
  
  Damnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. 
  So imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. 
  Is it too early to drink yet? >
  
  I grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else >
  
  Shit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth >
  
  Vulcans are like "Yea, we are going to pass on this one." >
  
  You know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK >
  
  Bro you're functionally illiterate >
  
  This happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time >
  
  Excuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into.... >
  
  I hope they all pull through >
  
  I hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people. >
  
  Ft. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy. >
  
  Just another day in the US >
  
  I scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become >
  
  So there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.
  I don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.
  What's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.
  Are guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.
  But of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility >
  
  They weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear. >
  
  So the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.
  And then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not. >
  
  What did you think was going to happen lol >
  
  Classic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting >
  
  Wait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long. >
  
  I feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.
  Guns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.
  I mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that
  The right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks. >
  
  I'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted. >
  
  
  disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.
  
  Every negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a "law abiding citizen" right up until the moment they weren't.
  I agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to.  The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative.  
  Jailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths. >
  
  
  Every negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a "law abiding citizen" right up until the moment they weren't.
  
  This argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm. >
  
  And the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers.  
  Yet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm. >
  
  Yeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy. >
  
  America's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world. >
  
  I'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan. >
  
  Not a surprise really.  Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.
  Regardless, when compared to economic/development "peer" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard. >
  
  6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. 
  But any single incident in Florida….to the top. >
  
  Clearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder. >
  
  Florida is a shithole. >
  
  Your country is a fucking dumpster fire. >
  
  So true. >
  
  Martin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.