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  If you need some form of outside force to tell you not to — for instance — murder people, you're probably part of the problem. Certain people need a threat of retribution
  If laws are threats of retribution, and those only exist to deter people who havent the compass to decide on their own than how will justice ever make the world better, if that's it's goal, if those people can't by definition be rehabilitated. If that's the case wouldnt it actually just be better to, of that group of unscrupulous people  and furthermore of the undeterred of that group, just kill them and be done with it? Like everything the society deems unacceptable from rape to forgery to jaywalking.  Just kill them and be rid of them if they can't resist the urge under that threat of death or let them live if they want to but can tamp it down. That and basically just get rid of all the conspiracy laws and other shit that's basically minority report just to simplify it even more
  What happens when someone less moral builds their own nuke?
  Whatever they want, it's theirs. They could end humanity if they really wanted and they had enough of them
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  Unlike revenge, justice is institutionalized (or, at least, more institutionalized; justice does not necessarily correlate with legality). Also, revenge is usually applied by people who were wronged, or who were related to those who were. Justice is applied by people with no stake in the manner.
  This means it has a deterrent factor. If you do something bad, the individual you did it to may or may not be able to get revenge on you, but justice is more internally consistent than "what someone thinks you should be punished for", because it's usually applied by large groups of people.
  
  But if the point of justice is the punish the deserving than I hardly see the difference unless there's a natural order in the world like God or something similar handing down what does and doesn't warrant action.
  
  If you need some form of outside force to tell you not to — for instance — murder people, you're probably part of the problem. Certain people need a threat of retribution
  Humans decide what the rules are. Just because some higher power doesn't does not make those rules illegitimate.
  
  If people are inherently moral, than the most moral of rules will be enforced by the most passionate of people uninhibited by a militarized police force.
  
  But people are not inherently moral. They can't be, because morality, however useful and necessary for a functioning society, is subjective. Most people tend to follow what they think is morally right, but that's very different from "most people are moral".
  What happens, for instance, when someone else's morals conflict with yours, and they're not willing to live or let live, or negotiate? Are they moral, or immoral? The Nazis thought mass murder was quite moral indeed, but I doubt you share that perspective.
  What happens when you have someone with brain damage that makes them think morality is a restraint? They sure as hell aren't going to engage with you in good faith. How are you going to stop them?
  And how do these "most passionate of people" enforce their will, other than by violence?
  
  People can still form a militia in that case, but I feel that it would only take one rich freedom loving egalitarian with a nuke or some other suppression capability to keep it mostly level after that.
  
  Their definition of freedom might very much differ from yours. Also, one person is much easier to subvert than an entire command chain of military officers. Also, the world isn't a closed system. What happens when someone less moral builds their own nuke?
  
  Basically a world where we govern ourselves and we enforce what rules WE think personally are important because the justice system isn't just and doesn't represent everyone.
  
  Depending on the country you live in, that's likely what the current system is. It's just that modern societies usually delegate it to certain trained specialists.