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  Nuremberg would be a great location.
context: They can offer Nuremberg. It has the premises ready >
  
  Would be truly symbolic, not that there would be any chance to extract Putin and his cronies from Russia,  while it still possesses nukes... >
  
  There is certainly a chance.  There are 147 million people in the Russian federation.  They can throw 147 into the court system.  A court system which will give those 147 men the opportunity to defend themselves and to face consequences only for actions which those 147 men are actually guilty of and no more.  In exchange Russia gets the opportunity to participate in global civilization and share the freedom and prosperity.  If they do not take the offer the Russian people have to languish under the despotism of those same 147 criminals.  
  I do not know the odds but they are greater than zero. >
  
  I don't mean to shit on your idea because it isn't bad, it's just unrealistic. First off, you know those 147 men would consist of critics of Putin and journalists he was already about to assassinate anyway.
  But the even bigger issue is the assumption that they would want to participate in this current global civilization. Putin banked all his capital on the "history is written by the victor" sentiment, not to mention the shared sentiment with China of forcing their perception on other nations with weaponized hypocrisy.
  Putin will never admit that his invasion failed, or that he committed war crimes or give up land. He wants to fight until the rest of the world is fatigued enough to concede and admit defeat to just end this already.
  And while it's definitely a condemnable attitude, he wouldn't stick to this if it weren't normalized in the past. The Crimea has been annexed since 2014, yet it was more convenient for everyone to just agree that "those aren't Russian army men" even though of course they were.
  Same with China putting pressure on the West to turn a blind eye on its' many questionable practices.
  You can't just roll over and allow autocrats to do whatever and then expect them to suddenly respect you. >
  
  I meant Putin can be overthrown.  The new administration rounds up the former leadership.  
  
  You can't just roll over and allow autocrats to do whatever and then expect them to suddenly respect you.
  
  But a people can overthrow their autocratic regime and then become a respected nation. >
  
  He can, but if you look at the timeline of the Russian Revolution of 1917 as a timeline, that ain't exactly a quick process either >
  
  Call me when they have Putin in custody.  
  He gives zero shits if his top people end up going to prison for war crimes.  
  And there’s no way the war doesn’t end without:
  
  Putin dead 
  Putin negotiating a deal where he never is held personally responsible.  
  
  It’s right in the dictator handbook.  If you kill enough people, other countries will offer to give you a pass just to get you to stop. >
  
  Hes only going to use it as propaganda, like "evil west wants to judge me for defending mother russia". >
  
  While I agree he should be held accountable, what are they going to do? Walk up to the Kremlin with 20 cops knock on the door and arrest him? This is nothing >
  
  No.  The Russians will do that. >
  
  I’m not 100% sure about that he’s put fear and blind loyalty in the right places >
  
  Fear yes! Loyalty I'm not so sure. Seems like those most loyal have had some tragic and fatal accidents as of late. Price of failure I guess. But I'm more sure that those that remain are doing so more out of complete fear than anything else. Putin has everyone guessing who is truly loyal that everyone is too afraid to band together with the other fearful to remove him. >
  
  Nah some of them mf act like golom and vlad is the god damn ring