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  I’m not sure staging a Nuremberg trial in absentia when trying to get both parties to the negotiating table is the best idea.
  You kinda need to leave some doors open. If you don’t they’ll never have an incentive to deescalate.
context: They can offer Nuremberg. It has the premises ready >
  
  Would be truly symbolic, not that there would be any chance to extract Putin and his cronies from Russia,  while it still possesses nukes... >
  
  There is certainly a chance.  There are 147 million people in the Russian federation.  They can throw 147 into the court system.  A court system which will give those 147 men the opportunity to defend themselves and to face consequences only for actions which those 147 men are actually guilty of and no more.  In exchange Russia gets the opportunity to participate in global civilization and share the freedom and prosperity.  If they do not take the offer the Russian people have to languish under the despotism of those same 147 criminals.  
  I do not know the odds but they are greater than zero. >
  
  I don't mean to shit on your idea because it isn't bad, it's just unrealistic. First off, you know those 147 men would consist of critics of Putin and journalists he was already about to assassinate anyway.
  But the even bigger issue is the assumption that they would want to participate in this current global civilization. Putin banked all his capital on the "history is written by the victor" sentiment, not to mention the shared sentiment with China of forcing their perception on other nations with weaponized hypocrisy.
  Putin will never admit that his invasion failed, or that he committed war crimes or give up land. He wants to fight until the rest of the world is fatigued enough to concede and admit defeat to just end this already.
  And while it's definitely a condemnable attitude, he wouldn't stick to this if it weren't normalized in the past. The Crimea has been annexed since 2014, yet it was more convenient for everyone to just agree that "those aren't Russian army men" even though of course they were.
  Same with China putting pressure on the West to turn a blind eye on its' many questionable practices.
  You can't just roll over and allow autocrats to do whatever and then expect them to suddenly respect you. >
  
  I meant Putin can be overthrown.  The new administration rounds up the former leadership.  
  
  You can't just roll over and allow autocrats to do whatever and then expect them to suddenly respect you.
  
  But a people can overthrow their autocratic regime and then become a respected nation. >
  
  He can, but if you look at the timeline of the Russian Revolution of 1917 as a timeline, that ain't exactly a quick process either >
  
  Call me when they have Putin in custody.  
  He gives zero shits if his top people end up going to prison for war crimes.  
  And there’s no way the war doesn’t end without:
  
  Putin dead 
  Putin negotiating a deal where he never is held personally responsible.  
  
  It’s right in the dictator handbook.  If you kill enough people, other countries will offer to give you a pass just to get you to stop. >
  
  Hes only going to use it as propaganda, like "evil west wants to judge me for defending mother russia". >
  
  While I agree he should be held accountable, what are they going to do? Walk up to the Kremlin with 20 cops knock on the door and arrest him? This is nothing >
  
  No.  The Russians will do that. >
  
  I’m not 100% sure about that he’s put fear and blind loyalty in the right places >
  
  Fear yes! Loyalty I'm not so sure. Seems like those most loyal have had some tragic and fatal accidents as of late. Price of failure I guess. But I'm more sure that those that remain are doing so more out of complete fear than anything else. Putin has everyone guessing who is truly loyal that everyone is too afraid to band together with the other fearful to remove him. >
  
  Nah some of them mf act like golom and vlad is the god damn ring >
  
  Nuremberg would be a great location. >
  
  This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 72%. (I'm a bot)
  
  
  THE HAGUE - The international community should establish a special tribunal to bring Russian President Vladimir Putin and his regime to trial over their war of aggression against Ukraine, German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said Monday.
  In a keynote speech following a visit to the International Criminal Court in The Hague, Baerbock emphasized the need to hold the Russian leadership "Accountable" for their invasion, which started almost a year ago.
  To avoid this impasse, Baerbock said she wanted to form, together with partner countries, "a special tribunal" to address the crime of aggression against Ukraine that could investigate and try the Russian leadership.
  
  
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  I think that's a fantastic idea. >
  
  “This aggression will not stand, man”
  -The Dude
     -Baerbock >
  
  Putin's a nihilist? >
  
  Noooo funny business, Putbowski >
  
  We ba-lieve in nassing… >
  
  I think Putin feels he is above all that,  he is untouchable.  IMHO the only hope to end the war is for Putin to commit suicide or be assassinated. >
  
  Kill Putin, someone else will be put in place by the oligarchs. You won't change too much. >
  
  I don't think that would happen.  The oligarchs likely don't have the megalomaniac inclination Putin has.   I don't see them wanting to continue down the road of attaching Ukraine.
  Although In the long run, I don't see Russia as becoming a "nice" country. >
  
  Baerbock proposes special tribunal to fuck the Russian raw >
  
  Annalena is tough, if she could, she would drag Putin by his ear to Nürnberg herself. >
  
  She’s one of the few German politicians I’m really fond of. It’s no wonder why the Greens are doing so well in the polls >
  
  My family keeps hating on her because she misspoke like once or twice in front of the press. They literally do not have one real point of attack, no valid criticism, so they have to resort to personal attacks. It's sad. She's actually quite impressive. >
  
  Plagiarized her book? Faked her resume? Spouse became a lobbyist? I mean, she joins a long list of German politicians in these, but she’s not exactly unbefleckt. >
  
  Why stop with Russian leadership? Going after everyone involved in Russian military, logistics, and State media disinformation may have serious affects on there mobilization capacity. >
  
  Question.  What actual crime can they charge Russian State Media personalities with?
  The West cant find the legal means to deal with sources of misinformation in their own countries, I struggle to see how they can deal with sources of misinformation in another country? >
  
  Propaganda organs have been prosecuted as accessory for crimes against humanity in the past.
  This is actually what the Nuremberg trials were about: how can you proescute a country based on laws that were LEGAL in said country? By which authority do you judge?
  This is how human rights were even established: laws universial to every human, regardless of national laws. Human laws trump national laws, regardless of where or if that country is not even a signatory to any human rights convention (since there weren't any at the end of WW2).
  And this is ALSO why most of the EU has "anti hate-speech" laws as they are considered a human rights violation. Or at least as "preparing the way to make human rights violations acceptable". >
  
  I can see him sitting on a stool without handles to hold on to, in a little glascage, alone, and outside all the people he  have singlehanded made widows, childless, fatherless, motherless, quietly starring at him while they each poor a little bottle of water into a hole that slowly fill the cage, staring him right in his scared little face without anyone there to help him, no need for a tribunal... >
  
  I hate this kind of talk.   due process and a permanent, wide open public record of everything he's responsible for is the way.    
  then Germany can reactivate Spandau for him. >
  
  It's very disturbing how some comments on Reddit really read like some sociopathic behavior. It's not the first time someone promotes torture here. >
  
  
  man who lived by the sword is proposed to die by the sword
  Nooooo, not the heckin' human rightserinooooos >
  
  That's the point, we need to stay better than those we condemned otherwise we're just hypocrites. >
  
  If that was true, the penalty for forcible confinement couldn't be imprisonment. >
  
  This is a BS idea because “we” will never be able to imprison Putin. He will either be overthrown and die by Russian hands or he will die in Russia as president or with cover from some next dictator.
  Germany needs to stop talking about tribunals and start sending tanks to Ukraine already.Focus on how you can help the Ukrainian people now , don’t offer some utopian solution that has no basis in reality. >
  
  IMO there’s a nonzero chance a new Russian leader might hand Putin over to get into the West‘s good graces. >
  
  Who might that new leader be?  Anyone who has the power to force a change is just as culpable.  There is no central opposition to unite and lead the masses so any popular revolt will be picked apart bit by bit. >
  
  Hey, I never said anything about making actual changes!
  Honestly though: No clue. It's an incredibly unlikely scenario anyways. >
  
  Putins gonna get fucked baerbock. >
  
  Such measures are probably counterproductive because it will just make it less likely than Putin will give up and instead will fight to the bitter end.
  Of course such charges could also be negotiated away in order to try to get Putin to give up.  Basically if he quits he can go into exile. >
  
  Where was this proposal when the Bush administration was invading Iraq? >
  
  No one complains when the Power Rangers destroys the aliens with the Megazord. Good guys get a free pass >
  
  Is Germany going to go into Russia and bring these people to justice?
  The answer is no. This is just (empty) political theatre. >
  
  Germany going into Russia is probably the only way Putin could actually still win this war >
  
  Finally, someone grew a pair! >
  
  If you didt noticed putin doesn give a fuck >
  
  Russia is still one of the Great Powers.  Nobody will go to arrest him without taking a nuke to the face. >
  
  Huh? It's a regional power at best. >
  
  What else are there?  The US and China are the only Superpowers.  The only Great Powers of Europe that remain are because of their militaries including nukes.  It is why Germany is no more a great power, and it had no colonies anymore.  The UK has its possessions, so do France, and Russia its Near Abroad.  Everyone else may have some armies but not nukes enough and no colonies. >
  
  Oh now there’s consequences? So before now there were no consequences? >
  
  Now if only Germany stopped stalling and blocking others from delivering equipment Ukraine needs to make it happen that would be great. >
  
  That'll show him  /s >
  
  LOL. You let him get away with Crimea. Let's stop play acting. >
  
  Must he?... >
  
  Criminal ad hoc tribunals are a legal aberration that are prohited by good reason at a national level by most democratic constitutions.
  It's time to give the International Criminal Court, that was made to prosecute this kind of thing, actual jurisdiction over the world and a way to effectively enforce their judgements. >
  
  They have Jurisdiction in Ukraine, from a Jurisdictional standpoint it isn't a problem really as Ukraine consented to ICC Jurisdiction. >
  
  But not Russia, even if the country came under new management, I have a hard time believing they would allow this.
  Can see someone pulling an Eichmann on them tho. >
  
  Better give tanks to Ukrainians. If Ukraine loose, forget tribunal. Mean time German FM can do something more useful. For example play golf. >
  
  This aggression will not stand, man! >
  
  By the time the debate rages 100 more lives will be lost and thousands will be left in the freezing weather.  The priority should be to to stop this .whatever that takes . It is in no one's interest to continue this war. >
  
  All for it. But while we're at it, can we also work on the backlog? Russia's not the first nation to go on unprovoked killing sprees since WW2. Making absolutely sure any tribunal prosecuting those responsible for committing wars of aggression and expansion to increase spheres of influence is seen as utterly impartial to the entire world has to be a priority here, if the desired effect is to prevent more of these behaviours in the future. Which it must, of course. The task is to establish a rule of law based international order again. It won't work, if what really determines whether you'll get trialled is the size of your military and the aggressiveness of your stance. Might as well not bother then, a lot of effort just to end up where we started, at might makes right. >
  
  Russia coming with an "Hague Invasion Act" bootleg soon^TM >
  
  Omg she is stunningly beautiful >
  
  There should be no way this war ends and Russia isn’t completely isolated from normal world society until change occurs, or the current leadership is prosecuted. Meaning for me anyway, that cannot leave Russian territory without the threat of being arrested in nearly every country.
  Unfortunately the Russian people don’t care enough now to remove Putin and his subordinates from power. >
  
  Good!!! >
  
  This is all trump's fault. He's the most recent and successful LIAR there's been. He lied his way through the presidency, treated putin like a god, made fake news and disinformation mainstream and almost stole an election he was blown away in. 
  putin watched him and realized he can totally bs his way through anything, even more than he already was.
  now it's happened in Brazil also. thanks trump for studying hitler so closely.
  Oh and Mark Zuckerberg. Social Media is going to destroy society person by person if we don't curb it and govern it. It's like screaming fire in a movie theater with 100 million in the audience. >
  
  A dumb idea. He'll have nothing to lose by then. Also, these dicks now go to The Hague. >
  
  I personally would like Putin to listen to each relative of victims of war from each side, to know how they feel about war, to show photos of killed relatives, to let them speak what they think about Putin. I really want him to know all this and have time to suffer in his sleep.
  He lives in his bubble for too long. >
  
  Damn! Surprisingly hot for a German politician >
  
  Fuck yeah! Send that bitch to The Hague >
  
  Ty... >
  
  Whichever country in Europe holds the trials will have to bring back the death penalty and hanging... >
  
  Oh grow up. This is nothing but inept posturing. >
  
  But they will have to roll in with the goon squad and capture him, if they can even find him. It will be a two-way massacre. Maybe an elite clandestine military special forces-type team could infiltrate the country and nab him? >
  
  YPU SHOULD THAT with Obama Bush Trump, also, they also invades porro countries