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context: In the hopefully impossible scenario where Russia actually descends into a multilateral civil war, does NATO have any kind of plan to deal with that? Like that's a lot of nuclear devices just suddenly not being kept tabs on. >
  
  I'm sure they have a plan, they've had 40 70 years to put it together and already watched it happen once with the collapse of the USSR in the early 90s. But it will probably never be publicly known. >
  
  You are assuming that the same people 40 -> 70 years ago are still around and that they've handed this plan off in a responsible manner, and that leadership is taking this seriously.
  Watching US government since W Bush era:
  No, no no, and more no. This is going to go horribly. >
  
  Right, we had a plan for pandemics too, worked really well in the countries that used it, we threw it away. >
  
  
  we threw it away.
  
  It was no "we", it was the trump administration.
  It would not be surprised if 45 would have thrown the pandemic response plan in the trash himself just for the childish satisfaction he would have had derived from it, as he associated anything pandemic-related with President Obama, whom he hated & still hates viscerally. 
  Furthermore, whilst one might say it was bolton who was responsible for getting the PREDICT programme shut down, I'm sure trump went with it because he equated it with President Obama. Again, personal hatred guiding one's actions. >
  
  We are accountable for our governments actions. We may have put down the reigns, but the U.S government is beholden only to the u.s public. It sucks and its not fair that we are responsible for these despotic fuck knuckles but that's the way it is and we have absolutely without argument allowed this and many more atrocities to slip away in broad daylight through our passive complacency. >
  
  The people of Russia revolted against the oppression of the Tsars, and ended up with Stalin.  Then they revolted against the oppression of the Soviets, and ended up with Putin.  Maybe the only reason they haven't revolted yet is that they are afraid of what's going to come next. >
  
  May I offer myself and my cats as leadership options? I can guarantee I can’t make things worse. >
  
  That’s the same thing Lenin and Yeltsin said! Next thing you know, you’re gone and one of your cats has had the others murdered and is declaring itself dictator-for-life. >
  
  Except I have no dreams of grandeur. If I was in charge of Russia and had the supposed wealth of Putin, I would just renovate the hell out Russia.
  No one cares or fondly remembers the guy who made your nation go to war. But the one that improves the nation and the citizens lives will be later seen as a golden age of the nation. >
  
  Not your cats though. They're eyeing that throne and you're not safe with them around. >
  
  Oh absolutely, luckily and worse though is that once they have the throne they will easily be distracted by wet food and a laser pointer and thus be overthrown within minutes or just used as puppets. >
  
  Cake your own death? I see you've played the game of thrones before.
  Edit: I'm leaving the typo. >
  
  I like the typo, at least my death shall be delicious. For whom? Who knows…. >
  
  All I can think of is this... 
  Cake or death? >
  
  So Metro 2033, without the nuclear war. >
  
  Tarkov. >
  
  In other words, most strategists surveyed do not think that Russia will become a failed state or break up internally by 2033. >
  
  There's quite some distance between 'failed state' and 'in heavy decline', though.
  Russia's nukes effectively keep it from failing the one of two requirements for a failed state. >
  
  As long as its russians dying I am fine with that >
  
  Indifference isnt wish of death. 
  You are also massively overblowing the probability of such fullblown and long lasting civil war. >
  
  Perhaps a necessary nightmare for the security of our future. >
  
  Nato and China will both absolutely be encouraging breaking Russia up into smaller regions with revolutions and civil wars. Easier to influence from within and have puppets they can extract generous mineral contracts from. >
  
  That's bad news for peace. It will be a tumultuous time for the peoples of Russia. I feel bad for them, but I can't understand why they're so incapable of demanding more from their leaders. It's like they're indifferent to their own suffering. >
  
  Russians have been suffering at the hands of their government since time immemorial. There are plenty of people still alive who remember it being much worse, and the horrors of serfdom still weigh on the national consciousness. >
  
  That's exactly my point. It's hard to overstate how much shit Russian people have taken from their leaders. >
  
  It’s been a “failed state” for hundreds of years 🙄 >
  
  Look at all those know nothing idiots behind that polished turd. >
  
  Same group he always rounds up for photo ops. >
  
  That woman is always there isn’t she >
  
  Putler working overtime to beat that estimate. >
  
  It's like the casino predicting that the house has an edge. >
  
  Would be interesting to know how many of these strategists predicted a full-scale russian invasion. >
  
  It seems like the only people who honestly expected such a stupid move had equally stupid reasons for thinking Putin would actually commit to it. And all of them had been saying it every single year during the exact same build up and exercise.
  During the first outbreak of the Russo-Ukraine War, it was pretty obvious, with the foreign-financed color revolution freshly concluded. >
  
  They still give it that long huh? >
  
  In the hopefully impossible scenario where Russia actually descends into a multilateral civil war, does NATO have any kind of plan to deal with that? Like that's a lot of nuclear devices just suddenly not being kept tabs on. >
  
  I'm sure they have a plan, they've had 40 70 years to put it together and already watched it happen once with the collapse of the USSR in the early 90s. But it will probably never be publicly known. >
  
  You are assuming that the same people 40 -> 70 years ago are still around and that they've handed this plan off in a responsible manner, and that leadership is taking this seriously.
  Watching US government since W Bush era:
  No, no no, and more no. This is going to go horribly. >
  
  Right, we had a plan for pandemics too, worked really well in the countries that used it, we threw it away. >
  
  
  we threw it away.
  
  It was no "we", it was the trump administration.
  It would not be surprised if 45 would have thrown the pandemic response plan in the trash himself just for the childish satisfaction he would have had derived from it, as he associated anything pandemic-related with President Obama, whom he hated & still hates viscerally. 
  Furthermore, whilst one might say it was bolton who was responsible for getting the PREDICT programme shut down, I'm sure trump went with it because he equated it with President Obama. Again, personal hatred guiding one's actions. >
  
  We are accountable for our governments actions. We may have put down the reigns, but the U.S government is beholden only to the u.s public. It sucks and its not fair that we are responsible for these despotic fuck knuckles but that's the way it is and we have absolutely without argument allowed this and many more atrocities to slip away in broad daylight through our passive complacency. >
  
  So Metro 2033, without the nuclear war. >
  
  Tarkov. >
  
  The people of Russia revolted against the oppression of the Tsars, and ended up with Stalin.  Then they revolted against the oppression of the Soviets, and ended up with Putin.  Maybe the only reason they haven't revolted yet is that they are afraid of what's going to come next. >
  
  May I offer myself and my cats as leadership options? I can guarantee I can’t make things worse. >
  
  That’s the same thing Lenin and Yeltsin said! Next thing you know, you’re gone and one of your cats has had the others murdered and is declaring itself dictator-for-life. >
  
  Except I have no dreams of grandeur. If I was in charge of Russia and had the supposed wealth of Putin, I would just renovate the hell out Russia.
  No one cares or fondly remembers the guy who made your nation go to war. But the one that improves the nation and the citizens lives will be later seen as a golden age of the nation. >
  
  Not your cats though. They're eyeing that throne and you're not safe with them around. >
  
  Oh absolutely, luckily and worse though is that once they have the throne they will easily be distracted by wet food and a laser pointer and thus be overthrown within minutes or just used as puppets. >
  
  Cake your own death? I see you've played the game of thrones before.
  Edit: I'm leaving the typo. >
  
  I like the typo, at least my death shall be delicious. For whom? Who knows…. >
  
  All I can think of is this... 
  Cake or death? >
  
  In other words, most strategists surveyed do not think that Russia will become a failed state or break up internally by 2033. >
  
  There's quite some distance between 'failed state' and 'in heavy decline', though.
  Russia's nukes effectively keep it from failing the one of two requirements for a failed state. >
  
  Look at all those know nothing idiots behind that polished turd. >
  
  Indifference isnt wish of death. 
  You are also massively overblowing the probability of such fullblown and long lasting civil war. >
  
  Perhaps a necessary nightmare for the security of our future. >
  
  Same group he always rounds up for photo ops. >
  
  10/10 scientists chew big red >
  
  That's bad news for peace. It will be a tumultuous time for the peoples of Russia. I feel bad for them, but I can't understand why they're so incapable of demanding more from their leaders. It's like they're indifferent to their own suffering. >
  
  Russians have been suffering at the hands of their government since time immemorial. There are plenty of people still alive who remember it being much worse, and the horrors of serfdom still weigh on the national consciousness. >
  
  That's exactly my point. It's hard to overstate how much shit Russian people have taken from their leaders. >
  
  Nato and China will both absolutely be encouraging breaking Russia up into smaller regions with revolutions and civil wars. Easier to influence from within and have puppets they can extract generous mineral contracts from. >
  
  No one wants Russia breaking up and leaving its nuclear arsenal in the hands of rogue generals and terrorists >
  
  It’s been a “failed state” for hundreds of years 🙄 >
  
  Putler working overtime to beat that estimate. >
  
  Really? Y'all believe anything. >
  
  It's like the casino predicting that the house has an edge. >
  
  That woman is always there isn’t she >
  
  Western and Eastern RUssia with a Siberian state sounds nice. Fuck Putin. >
  
  People seriously underestimate how docile the Russian populus is. >
  
  Yeesh, let's see how well those predictions pan out in ten years.
  Regardless, Russia is certainly struggling economically and maybe even politically (internally speaking), if it at least continues that wouldn't be surprised if Russia reaches to one of those possible states. >
  
  They still give it that long huh? >
  
  Would be interesting to know how many of these strategists predicted a full-scale russian invasion. >
  
  It seems like the only people who honestly expected such a stupid move had equally stupid reasons for thinking Putin would actually commit to it. And all of them had been saying it every single year during the exact same build up and exercise.
  During the first outbreak of the Russo-Ukraine War, it was pretty obvious, with the foreign-financed color revolution freshly concluded.