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  Palm oil is shitty anyways.
context: Russia thought they can blackmail the EU with Gas and Oil. They lost all leverage now.
  What makes Malaysia think they can blackmail the EU?
  Palm oil in theory is the cleanest vegetable oil with the highest yield of oil compared to the agricultural area used. Problem is that the monoculture of palm trees sucks all nutrition out of the ground and needs constantly fertiliser to be added. Huge areas of rainforest have been converted into palm plantations. Jungle animals cannot survive in the plantations. 
  You cannot convert them back, if you have ever seen a given up palm plantation, it looks like a moon landscape in the midst of the most fertile land.
  My opinion is, palm plantations are not necessarily bad, but converting rainforest into palm plantations is super bad. Indonesia and Malaysia have given the palm oil industry a bad name with their culture of corruption, bending the law for favourism and tolerating illegal plantations. No one will ever be able to trust a certificate for ecological palm plantations if it comes out of Indonesia or Malaysia. But of course it is everyone else's fault, the standard political reaction in this part of the globe. >
  
  Could you please give some more information on it being the cleanest vegetable oil? The rest of your paragraph painted a pretty bleak image in my mind - what makes it cleaner than other oils that might not necessarily devastate the land they're developed on? >
  
  Let's say you would have a large area of sunflower oil plantation, which has a pretty good yield from area used to oil produced, and the conditions were right to convert it to palm oil, then you would get more oil with a way lower carbon footprint from a palm oil plantation, which also has a high versatility. As you see in the picture, harvest is often very manual and apart from putting fertiliser out, there is no much need to go to the plantation with machinery.
  For animals, apart from rodents and snakes, it's a nightmare, the trees are not suitable for the many animals living in the tree crowns, and the few monkeys that could live on them have no food. Same for sloth, squirrels, flying squirrel etc.
  Without those the tigers and other large felines got no prey. Really only suitable for reptiles. Since the palm trees suck out all nutrition hardly anything grows beneath. >
  
  yeah fine by me and the other apes who get their enviroment destroy for that shit >
  
  Good. Do avocados next. >
  
  What's wrong with avocados? Or after you taking about avocado oil? >
  
  Avocados need a shit load of water to grow. So big corp is draining the ground and local farmers and nature have not enough left. >
  
  Stop sending it to the Americas too. It'll be better for the globe. >
  
  Do it. >
  
  Well, it will hurt both Malaysia and EU.  Which one will blink first?