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  I moved to FL year ago because I enjoyed it as a vacation destination. I didn't realize how many idiots lived here. Big mistake!
context: Driving home in Florida holiday traffic: “yea, I know”. >
  
  They are not bringing their best and brightest. >
  
  The truth about Florida Man is that his secret identity is a transplanted New Yorker. >
  
  New Jersey >
  
  This one right here. >
  
  I'm sorry but florida is full of people from Ohio and thats a major cause of bad drivers. Ohio MAKES bad drivers >
  
  Also people from Michigan, who I would've thought would be good drivers. Nope! >
  
  Retirees move from NY, Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, to Florida, live a short time, and then die. >
  
  That’s probably the most beneficial for the tax structure at death >
  
  “Florida is the Walmart of the US” is the most accurate thing I’ve ever heard in my life. Thank you. >
  
  So which state would you think is the Dollar General? 
  My vote is Alabama. >
  
  Oklahoma.  Houses are still pretty cheap there (I think 3rd lowest per sq. ft.) >
  
  I agree with this assessment. Alabama is more likely the Dollar Tree of the US. Not necessarily priced at a dollar or less, but very low-quality products. >
  
  Originally from Florida:
  It's not that cheap. Unless you wanna work retail or hospitality, there aren't a lot of jobs there. Tech hasn't moved into Florida the way it has in other states like Texas and even Georgia. No one wants to live in the non urban parts of the state because there ain't shit to do for play or work. Rent has been skyrocketing since 2017 because we got a huge influx of Puerto Ricans after the storm and there wasn't enough housing to meet demand. Florida is also basically the gateway to Latin America so a lot of immigrants come here from South America and the Caribbean. Combine that with the large amount of New Yorkers and Californians we've been getting here, it's a lot of people and not enough housing. No one who moves from Los Angeles is dying to live in redneckville. No one is moving from New York City to live in St. Cloud or Lakeland. They want to be reasonably close to the cities. But there just isn't anywhere to put them. Developers build luxury condos and apartments in places that are going to be underwater very soon and charge through the nose for it. Even if you do live outside of the cities, it's not all that cheap either. You're paying a shit ton of money to live a suburb built maybe ten years ago on a marsh with nothing else really around you but more suburbs and shitty strip malls. So you end up driving an hour or more for work, decent clubs, doctors, etc. I grew up in Brevard County which is famous for NASA and nothing else. Young people either leave, get on drugs or get pregnant. Retirees love it. But there isn't any culture, any jobs and those aforementioned young people who stay and get hooked and pregnant become strung out poor/homeless people. Our homelessness crisis is fucking insane throughout the state, but there in particular. The cities barely have the resources to handle them but the rural areas/burbs? They just arrest them, move them etc. So your options are move to a kinda alright city with some work and stuff to do or move to cracked confederateland where your options are working at Publix or maybe an Amazon warehouse. 
  It's a mess down there. I moved to Atlanta and I'm much happier. >
  
  
  You're paying a shit ton of money to live a suburb built maybe ten years ago on a marsh with nothing else really around you but more suburbs and shitty strip malls. So you end up driving an hour or more for work, decent clubs, doctors, etc.
  
  Was reading this line and thinking "Huh, sounds just like where I live in Titusville".
  Then read
  
  I grew up in Brevard County which is famous for NASA and nothing else.
  
  Yup, my guy is talking about where I live lmao. My wife has to drive an hour away into Orlando for all her Dr appointments because all the doctors nearby suck so damn bad and are either basically a local monopoly without any quality or so booked up you'll never get in >
  
  I'm from Cocoa. My dad had MS. All the good doctors were and hour and some change away in Orlando or Tampa. If you don't drive in Florida pray to God you live in a major metro area or you are FUUUUUCKED lol. Moving from Cocoa to Orlando was living moving to a different country. And that's not even getting into how repressive it is to be queer and non white there >
  
  From my observation as someone who lives in a state that saw gains (Alabama), a lot of Republican voters from blue states are moving south now that WFH is a thing. Maybe they prefer the warmer climate. And homes are bigger and cheaper, while they can keep their blue state paychecks. 
  Of course, with them burning through real estate, "cheap" might not necessarily last much longer.
  Meanwhile, a lot of us who were already here who might consider moving to a more purple or blue state that better reflects our values can't necessarily just pick up and leave. Maybe we don't have the luxury of a WFH job just yet. Maybe we can't afford to. In any case, we've not been swapping places with the folks moving here.
  But the folks I've seen moving here from New York and California and New Jersey... Almost all of them have been more extremely to the right than I've encountered from even native Alabamians.
  This was reflected in our midterm vote, too, with Republican candidates gaining a much larger portion of voters than you'd normally see, even for midterms. I've not looked at other state's results, but I did notice some districts flipping, and so what I'm expecting is going to be seen is that red states have become redder and blue states have become bluer. >
  
  I’m not a Republican and bought a house in Jersey in 2020 because NYC’s quality of life is shit. My friend who isn’t a Republican moved to FL last year because NYC’s quality of life is shit. Another friend of mine moved to SF in Sept (which I consider worse than NYC at the moment) and she hates it. This isn’t a left or right issue to me, but simply a quality of life issue. Also, I’ve read and hear peoples complaints about how they hate their home states and the conclusion to that is, every state in America clearly has more or less the same issues and people do not want to continue dealing with it. They move around and find the best of the worst. It’s also good to note that people move all the time for many different reasons. >
  
  It seems like the issues you've taken are not issues with the state, but with cities. I live in NY... just not NYC anymore. Outside of the weather, I don't see the appeal when less dense areas are nearby. This is all opinion though and it's anecdotal on both ends. People I know that have left the metro areas have left for more rural areas vs southern ones. >
  
  Yes, I find that city living in general just isn’t conducive to a better quality of life. A lot of things that are normalized should never be normalized. When I moved, I couldn’t believe I normalized a shitty way of life. I know that others will disagree, I just think it comes down to what people are willing to put up with. What I would put up with others may not or what people accept I may not. >
  
  I think a lot of it is just personal values. 
  The main reason I stayed was family. When the matriarch of our family died, people started drifting. Most ended up in Florida (not due to the recent exodus. They moved to be closer to Puerto Rico in the early 00s). Once most of my family was gone, the balance I felt there was gone too. I had access to all the wonderful stuff I loved, but there was no counterbalance of community on the other side and it lost its appeal for me. 
  I lived in the suburbs for some time and have no greater template for hell now. 
  I then moved to a more remote area and realized that's what I needed. Now I bought property here and I feel it was one of the best choices I've ever made. I have my own family now though, so it's all very personal choices. I don't begrudge others theirs. >
  
  
  I lived in the suburbs for some time and have no greater template for hell now. 
  I then moved to a more remote area and realized that's what I needed.
  
  I've read similar sentiments from multiple redditors now, and I'm curious- what was so terrible about the suburbs? And what makes you enjoy the remote area so much more?
  I ask as someone who lives in a rather urban area and we're also looking to move to a more remote area in the coming years. >
  
  Again it's just anecdotal, but to me city life and rural life have their own unique advantages. One would assume that suburban life is a best of both worlds scenario, but it's the opposite. 
  There is no sense of community. The entitlement is off the charts. There is no feeling of culture or regional character. Local owned are either drummed out by corporations or they conform to corporate setups so much there is no real difference. You have to drive everywhere and the drive always sucks. You can't do anything without paying for it. 
  The schools tend to suck even though you're paying a ton for them. There is a level of NIBMYism I've never seen anywhere else. You don't even get the real benefit of owning your own home because they want to restrict the ever loving shit out of you. And the worst is with all of that, it's not even that much cheaper than living in the city. 
  Quite a rant, and again, totally my own opinion. >
  
  Commuting is much worse in suburbs, too. I have found commuting to work to be much shorter both in the inner city and out in the boonies because residential and commercial properties are more evenly interspersed.
  But suburbs seem to be zoned specifically to keep homes and businesses as far away from each other as possible. It takes so long to get to work or to go shopping, and the trip is a lot more stressful and dangerous due to traffic.
  If suburbs were organized more like they were small towns rather than "zones", such that every home was within walking distance of all the necessities (supermarkets, pharmacies, offices, etc.), I think they would actually be in the sweet spot. >
  
  This map generally just shows that people are moving from populous states like California, New York, Illinois, and Ohio to less populous states or ones with “more room to grow.”
  That’s why you see states like Montana and South Dakota with large population gains. Texas has a number of up-and-coming large cities and Florida is Florida. >
  
  Rise in remote working? >
  
  Why do they hate it there? I’m an ATL native so I’m probably biased but I think it’s pretty good >
  
  I generally think people who move and hate things usually don’t have family around, have trouble finding community and friends… more so than hate the place. >
  
  It is a factor. I moved to Boston 3 years ago for a much better job, but it’s also much more expensive and I haven’t made any friends. >
  
  Hot take: They are warmer. >
  
  Because it’s so damned expensive >
  
  New Yorkers typically retire in Florida for the weather. The largest generation in our nations history is going into retirement. This could have been predicted to happen in 1965. >
  
  Yup retiring and eventually expiring. Give it 10 years. >
  
  Here in Buffalo we've had two historic snowstorms within a month of each other. I can't blame people for not wanting to put up with that. >
  
  Eh. Snow melts in the spring and can be plowed and moved. I’d rather be shut in my house for a few days then deal with hurricanes and the resulting floods. >
  
  Idk man traffic is worse than ever on Long Island >
  
  I am a progressive from New York.
  New York legitimately kinda blows for both sides right now. If you don't live in the city, you're looking at economic depression, crumbling infrastructure and brutal winters.
  Sure, they'll toss us an occasional socially progressive bill. That just means you can be gay, married and high in your apartment that hasn't been refurbished since the 1970s with slow internet speed and a job at Dollar General. >
  
  Explanation why NY's population is dropping in two words: polar vortex >
  
  
  polar vortex
  
  You misspelled property taxes. >
  
  Lower the rent. Texas and Florida cost way less to get a roof over your head. NY is out of control. >
  
  Totally anecdotal but my partner’s family in Florida - the ones who rent anyway - have been reporting sky rocking rent prices in recent years. Her brother lives in a medium sized town and pays almost twice what I pay (here in semi-rural CO) for a place about 2/3 the size. Hard to compare the two prices because the locations and availability of services are so different, but FL doesn’t seem necessarily seem super cheap. >
  
  I could see that. However, the rent in NY is crazy in comparison to that. One of the reasons the rent is going up in FL is because landlords are realizing the people moving there are used to paying a lot more. They can jack up the rent and it still feels like a deal in comparison. >
  
  This is creating a horrible vaccum for Native Texans and Native Floridians. The salaries here cannot keep up with the rising costs of living. If you bring blue salaries to the south how are people that make a red state level salary supposed to keep up? >
  
  Well, look at Nashville as an example I suppose.
  Many seemed to sell their homes and went…elsewhere(?), some were still living there next to lots that had been leveled and new shitty construction was raised.
  It’s a story as old as time. It has happened in the “suburbs” of NYC as well, which used to be relatively affordable maybe…in the 50’s, 60’s-70’s (or even 80’s? Not sure actually…), regardless, it reached a point where <1acre lots of land were worth more to the extraordinarily wealthy buyers than the homes themselves. (Over a million in many cases). 
  Thus, entire neighborhoods were slowly transformed from (relatively) modest 3-4 bedroom-ish no frills houses to McMansions/mansions that were millions of dollars.  Many of those houses then took up nearly the entire lot due to their large footprints, and obviously had very little actual yard/outdoors left as a result.
  Some of this happened while the older population aged and needed near full time care, which they could not afford to have at home, so some/many, despite saving for retirement, still had to sell their houses/land to pay for a place to live in a sort of retirement community that had more affordable long term care for the elderly.
  Perhaps a bit of a tangent, perhaps not.
  Back to attempt to answer this question: I don’t know, and you raise a good question…
  Look to Nashville as an example (though the insurance premium increases are not comparable to Florida so bear that in mind). There was a large influx of people from NY and CA, etc., which caused a HUGE increase in new homes being built, many of dubious quality (see the type of wood they used for framing the houses as an example, for starters…). This also caused both rents to skyrocket from very affordable to why the fuck am I paying this much while wages, as always, lagged behind.
  Landlords and developers made a boatload of money, I’m sure. Everyone else…depends on whether you own or rent. If you rent…you either find a really nice (older) landlord who is willing to rent a decent apartment for cheap, or you keep moving further and further away from your job to more affordable areas. Or move to another state altogether.  If you own, you generally have a lot more options. 
  Florida and perhaps Texas too are a bit screwy though in that I personally would never buy property there. The effects of climate change and the unpredictable increases in the cost of insurance, etc., makes for an untenable living situation from my perspective…it’s too risky to live in an area where your COL can become quickly unaffordable due to insurance premiums, unless you’re wealthy ( enough to not care I guess?)
  Which then increases your commute time and costs.  And creates a need for more parking in the city/wherever the jobs are, further increasing prices…
  This is why proper city and surrounding area planning is important. One class I really enjoyed in college was solely on the entire history of suburbia/cities in America, and while it may sound like a joke of a class at first, it really opened my eyes to how things became the way they are, if that makes any sense.
  TLDR: people move further and further away from city centers/towards more affordable areas, which then results in massive suburban sprawl. That’s my quick off the cuff guess, but Florida especially is IMO a bit of a conundrum as I personally do not think much of the state is tenable long term due to the effects of climate change. >
  
  There have been many reasons for this, but one that convinced me was when Louis Rossmann explained why he moved away. The New York government really sees people as cash cows to be milked, with insane prices. >
  
  NYC is a bit different vs the rest of the state
  not saying the rest of the state does not also think this way but NYC is its own level of hell >
  
  They're pricing us out that's why. It's not an affordable place to live. >
  
  Ugh. The accompanying map is horrible from a color vision accessibility standpoint. >
  
  Easy. People are moving from gray states to other gray states. >
  
  50 shades of gray! >
  
  Well done! >
  
  What's amusing is when NYers relocate south then complain why their new state doesn't do (fill in anything covered by higher NY State taxes). >
  
  Serious question: what kind of service that NY state’s high taxes covers? I ask because I agree with the comment above yours. I moved from NY to NJ and then to FL because I don’t like paying high state and city (when living in NYC) taxes for pretty much nothing in return (other than being harassed by people of other minority races for a few times, and worse is, not feeling safe even commuting in subways/buses). The infrastructure is crumbling in NY city (so much corruption) and I always wondered where the state and city taxes that I was paying goes into. 
  There was a YouTube video that I watched by a guy who is pretty well known in advocating for self-repair rights of electronics (like Apple devices). He owned a computer repair shop in NYC and recently left NY. He documented a lot of issues with owning a small business in NY in several of his videos too. >
  
  You bring up valid points but I have to argue that the NY public transport is really second to none in the US. If you can’t afford a car at the very least the NY public transport is much more reliable and can get you where you need to go 9/10 times. Here where I am you’ll walk 45 mins to the nearest bus stop just to walk another hour to where you’ll need to go. And that’s if the buses are running or remotely running on schedule. It’s at the point where you have to have your own car or you’ll have trouble finding gainful employment >
  
  This is false. The subway is not the only form of public transportation. Don’t forget about buses and trains. 
  Some of the mid size cities in upstate NY have very good bus service and the capital region has even won awards. >
  
  As someone who’s lived in most of upstate’s city’s (Bing, Roc, SYR, Utica, Albany), the only city with great public transit is Albany. Everywhere else, you really do need a car because the bus system isn’t adequate. >
  
  New York is cold, it is expensive and it is crowded especially NYC. >
  
  How much crowded? >
  
  Not at all crowded. I live here. Once you leave the tourist areas it's just like anywhere else but with slightly more people. It's especially empty these days. >
  
  I moved to Florida a year ago. I see multiple moving trucks a day when I'm out and about. My apartment complex has at least 4 moving trucks  moving people in at the end of each month. >
  
  Hello. Non American who didn't read the article.  Just curious and wondering what other people from the states think about choosing to live in Texas over New York. Is that a thing and if so why? >
  
  NY state has some of the most ludicrous property taxes in the entire nation, and I say that as a Californian. In most places outside of NYC, you can barely give away houses there because there is a essentially a cap on how much they can be valued. For example, an average house in many cities there will have trouble keeping up with market values nationally because the added expense with the property taxes make the tax almost as high as a second mortgage, so no one who can do basic arithmetic is interested in buying the houses, and the prices stagnate.
  Texas and Florida have their problems politically, but their overall tax burdens are FAR less as are their costs of living. After a while, there ceases to be a cost benefit to living in NY state, so people move. >
  
  What? Barely give away houses? I live on long island and we still have people moving here. Houses are still hard to find. Even with high mortgage rates and property taxes. Lots of people buying houses on long island. Yet people like you say the opposite. >
  
  Notice I said "outside of NYC"... >
  
  Long island is NOT NYC. >
  
  Lol, you can be upset about it all you want, but it is. It's publicly available information. >
  
  Nassau and suffolk counties are not part of NYC. They have their own governments, school districts and everything. >
  
  Understand how metropolitan areas work. 
  Long Island is part of NYC metro, just like Long Beach is part of LA metro even though it has its own govt and schools etc.
  Do you have any other burning questions about basic civics or was that all? And did you not understand the words in the link I sent? I mean, its a factual statement that it is a part or NYC. I don't really see what else there is to add to that. >
  
  High population densities migrate to low population densities......why is this always a headline like it means anything? >
  
  "People continue to look for better conditions and more bargains - the shocking trend you need to know about." >
  
  Florida is insanely expensive, just not as much as new york. >
  
  I live in Houston and we get people from all over the country. Our economy is strong and there’s lots of opportunity here. Along with cheaper rent. I don’t pity people for moving here, I just wish our city had better public transportation. >
  
  The last census didn't count a lot of people in NY. I work for a library. They did all this training. They didnt really send census workers out door to door in our area.
  PS Didn't they stop the last census early? >
  
  They arent building enough houses in NY where they need them. The parts that are losing people are not high tax areas so the tax thing is wrong. >
  
  Meanwhile, Texas and Florida are becoming WAY more expensive with fewer services and worse healthcare,  education. >
  
  and their crimerates are significantly higher too. 
  and those crimerates will get much worse as the other things you listed start compounding. >
  
  Florida is a shit hole State. >
  
  As someone who lives in Florida I can confirm this. >
  
  What are your reasons >
  
  
  Too many old people
  Too many tourists (all year) and snowbirds (winter months)
  Gun laws are insanely lax considering the competency and temperament of the general populace
  The people of Florida make poor voting choices (The people of Florida elected Ron DeSantis as governor. Prior to that, they elected Rick Scott for governor twice. What you have to understand about Rick Scott is that before he ran for governor, he was CEO of Columbia/HCA. The company presided over the biggest Medicare fraud in history, and the company had to pay a $1.7 billion fine. Rick Scott claimed he didn’t know anything about this fraud, but he had to plead the fifth about 75 times during the investigation. Rick Scott is now a Florida senator.) 
  Florida is hot and humid >150 days a year
  The roaches are enormous
  Florida contains 25% of the total alligators in the US southeast, roughly 1.25 million
  Florida represents 50-60% of annual global shark attacks
  Hurricanes
  Collapsing residential home insurance market
  Sinkholes
  Tornados
  Lightning capital of the US
  Pedestrian deaths are significantly higher in Florida than the national average. It is a car centric state with very little public transportation infrastructure
  The public schools are underfunded and of low quality
  Despite transparency and sunshine laws around open records, Florida government still has substantial corruption and nepotism
  Electric prices continue to rapidly increase due to regulatory capture by investor owned utilities and their reliance on natural gas fired generation
  Roughly 26.7% of drivers don’t carry mandatory automobile liability insurance
  Climate change, water pollution, and toxic algae blooms
  Currently ranked as one of the least affordable housing states
  Outsized exposure to climate change
  Rapidly depleting their fresh water aquifers
  Florida faces an extreme shortage of healthcare workers, including doctors, RNs, CNAs, and nursing home aides
  Florida has an extreme shortage of teachers, bus drivers, and educational support staff
  Yellow flies >
  
  What happens when homeowners insurance becomes unavailable?  Do the Feds step in with reinsurance?  Ideally insurance would be unavailable in low lying areas that will require frequent rebuilding.  Convert to storm mgt, parks etc. >
  
  There is a high risk pool called Citizens Insurance run by the state. They are what’s known as the insurer of last resort. You might be able to get a policy from them, but the Republican state legislature is actually trying to make it harder to get insurance through this risk pool. If you own your home outright and can’t get insurance, you run the risk of a catastrophic loss you can’t recover from. If you have a mortgage and can’t get insurance, your mortgage servicer force places it, and if you can’t afford it, they foreclose and you lose your home. >
  
  Come to Florida, and I'll show what housing shortage feels like. Forget about anything affordable to purchase, the rents are through the roof.
  8 years ago, a single bed/bath was $675. Now good luck finding the same unit around $1,600 on average.
  Rick Scott and Ron DeSantis have ruined the housing market in the past decade by only providing sentiments for luxury developments, effectively leaving the middle class high and dry. >
  
  im very curious, is NYC also losing population or is it the rest of the state? >
  
  In the last two years, nyc accounts for the majority of New York State's population decline. >
  
  State and city taxes are too damn high and they are always looking for more ways to fleece people. >
  
  I live in upstate (central) and I love living here, but I’m beyond pissed that our legislators just voted themselves a whopping raise that makes them some of the highest paid state legislatures in the nation. And we get fuck all for in return. Barclay can kick rocks. >
  
  The job market outside of NYC is absolutely abysmal and you don’t get a lot of return on the higher property/income taxes. Almost every single state bordering NY is a better option. >
  
  As a South Carolinian, I can confirm all the Yankees move down this way to die >
  
  One of the largest generations of Americans is retiring and dying at an exponentially increasing rate.  The main target for those retirees is the sunbelt states.  Florida is a prime example of the issue with this.  As older people retire and check out of the system it puts massive stress on the local economy of where they are retiring to.  Florida's population is larger than New York's but Florida's GDP is lower than that of New York.   These retirees aren't contributing much to the local economy in these retirement destinations as young people do.  So you see the beginnings of an economic collapse in Florida.  Real estate, Cost of Living is spiking from all these retirees and the local economy isn't generating enough to keep up with it.  Younger workers who generate wealth are leaving for more affordable regions and being replaced by older retirees who don't generate any.  Florida has a massive shortage in a lot of service-oriented jobs as a result and its only going to get worse.  Without workers to service all those retirees the quality of life in the state is going to spiral down the drain.  Already service industries, healthcare and education and suffering major stress in Florida and the ripple-effects from that are going to affect the entire economy. >
  
  is this related to pay less taxes or remote working with lower cost of living? >
  
  Any theories on how this might change the electoral map? >
  
  Well, lots of Republicans are moving to Florida, which is making other states bluer while making Florida solid red MAGA country. >
  
  forever this has happened Lol.  You arrive in NY-  then make your way into the county ;)
  The biggest states will always have outflow-  duh ! haha >
  
  No income tax in those states… >
  
  Bonkers property and sales taxes make up for it. >
  
  Oh yeah get me to Texas.  To die. >
  
  People are retiring and moving to FL. Surprise! >
  
  Does this mean the rent in NY can go down now?
  Please… >
  
  Got darn New York immigrants comin inter our State!?  What the god damn shit!? >
  
  Ah Florida… where people ( and certainly sanity ) go to die. >
  
  Today in SoCal it is 75, and all the suckers that moved from here to TX are enjoying having no electricity and freezing balls. Just read a article this week about FL is being hit with so many natural disasters, that most people will be priced out of home owners insurance if they are even able to get it in the near future. The exodus is happening now but the grass is not always greener. >
  
  California and New York are trying to play off ppl and businesses fleeing their state. I guess denial hits hard when your state government makes its middle class residents into rental slaves and steals all their money through over taxation. >
  
  they're still the most prosperous states in the union. they have a long way to fall before they're as prosperous as the bible belt or midwest >
  
  Uh Texas is right up there economically with New York and California, so I'm not sure why you're saying this. In Texas you can make Bay Area Salaries and live like a king in some areas of the state. >
  
  Combine Texas with Florida and you still don’t reach Californias economy (4th largest in the world as it just passed Germany). Only China, Japan and US proper are ahead… must be doing something right, especially since CA still has 40M people living in it (11M more than Texas and almost 20M more than FL). TX ain’t passing CA anytime soon, or at all with the people you guys elect >
  
  Agree totally, however a large reason for the recent increase was just due to the strength of the USD against all other currencies. If GDP is in USD then this will make it swing around heaps with large Forex swings >
  
  After witnessing the school shootings, grid failures, and assault on women's rights in TX I'll pass. FL is already experiencing the beginning of climate change and threw much of their population into the COVID meatgrinder in the name of freedumb.
  If you're very wealthy, looking to reduce your taxes I can understand the move. The problem is it also means you're surrounded by absolute morons, incompetent government, and climate change destruction.
  Every raving lunatic (think Qanon, Jan.6th supporter, etc.)  I've worked with over the past 5 years eventually moved to either FL or TX. I think that's a strong enough hint for me to stay away. >
  
  
  The problem is it also means you're surrounded by absolute morons, incompetent government, and climate change destruction.
  
  If you are rich or wealthy enough you can insulate yourself from most of that. Private school and or tutor for your kids, gated community to keep the riff-raff out, personal assistant to do the shopping, and other duties that deal with the public. I'm not saying if it is good or bad just looking at it objectively.