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  Commuting is much worse in suburbs, too. I have found commuting to work to be much shorter both in the inner city and out in the boonies because residential and commercial properties are more evenly interspersed.
  But suburbs seem to be zoned specifically to keep homes and businesses as far away from each other as possible. It takes so long to get to work or to go shopping, and the trip is a lot more stressful and dangerous due to traffic.
  If suburbs were organized more like they were small towns rather than "zones", such that every home was within walking distance of all the necessities (supermarkets, pharmacies, offices, etc.), I think they would actually be in the sweet spot.
context: Driving home in Florida holiday traffic: “yea, I know”. >
  
  They are not bringing their best and brightest. >
  
  The truth about Florida Man is that his secret identity is a transplanted New Yorker. >
  
  New Jersey >
  
  This one right here. >
  
  I'm sorry but florida is full of people from Ohio and thats a major cause of bad drivers. Ohio MAKES bad drivers >
  
  Also people from Michigan, who I would've thought would be good drivers. Nope! >
  
  Retirees move from NY, Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, to Florida, live a short time, and then die. >
  
  That’s probably the most beneficial for the tax structure at death >
  
  “Florida is the Walmart of the US” is the most accurate thing I’ve ever heard in my life. Thank you. >
  
  So which state would you think is the Dollar General? 
  My vote is Alabama. >
  
  Oklahoma.  Houses are still pretty cheap there (I think 3rd lowest per sq. ft.) >
  
  I agree with this assessment. Alabama is more likely the Dollar Tree of the US. Not necessarily priced at a dollar or less, but very low-quality products. >
  
  Originally from Florida:
  It's not that cheap. Unless you wanna work retail or hospitality, there aren't a lot of jobs there. Tech hasn't moved into Florida the way it has in other states like Texas and even Georgia. No one wants to live in the non urban parts of the state because there ain't shit to do for play or work. Rent has been skyrocketing since 2017 because we got a huge influx of Puerto Ricans after the storm and there wasn't enough housing to meet demand. Florida is also basically the gateway to Latin America so a lot of immigrants come here from South America and the Caribbean. Combine that with the large amount of New Yorkers and Californians we've been getting here, it's a lot of people and not enough housing. No one who moves from Los Angeles is dying to live in redneckville. No one is moving from New York City to live in St. Cloud or Lakeland. They want to be reasonably close to the cities. But there just isn't anywhere to put them. Developers build luxury condos and apartments in places that are going to be underwater very soon and charge through the nose for it. Even if you do live outside of the cities, it's not all that cheap either. You're paying a shit ton of money to live a suburb built maybe ten years ago on a marsh with nothing else really around you but more suburbs and shitty strip malls. So you end up driving an hour or more for work, decent clubs, doctors, etc. I grew up in Brevard County which is famous for NASA and nothing else. Young people either leave, get on drugs or get pregnant. Retirees love it. But there isn't any culture, any jobs and those aforementioned young people who stay and get hooked and pregnant become strung out poor/homeless people. Our homelessness crisis is fucking insane throughout the state, but there in particular. The cities barely have the resources to handle them but the rural areas/burbs? They just arrest them, move them etc. So your options are move to a kinda alright city with some work and stuff to do or move to cracked confederateland where your options are working at Publix or maybe an Amazon warehouse. 
  It's a mess down there. I moved to Atlanta and I'm much happier. >
  
  
  You're paying a shit ton of money to live a suburb built maybe ten years ago on a marsh with nothing else really around you but more suburbs and shitty strip malls. So you end up driving an hour or more for work, decent clubs, doctors, etc.
  
  Was reading this line and thinking "Huh, sounds just like where I live in Titusville".
  Then read
  
  I grew up in Brevard County which is famous for NASA and nothing else.
  
  Yup, my guy is talking about where I live lmao. My wife has to drive an hour away into Orlando for all her Dr appointments because all the doctors nearby suck so damn bad and are either basically a local monopoly without any quality or so booked up you'll never get in >
  
  I'm from Cocoa. My dad had MS. All the good doctors were and hour and some change away in Orlando or Tampa. If you don't drive in Florida pray to God you live in a major metro area or you are FUUUUUCKED lol. Moving from Cocoa to Orlando was living moving to a different country. And that's not even getting into how repressive it is to be queer and non white there >
  
  From my observation as someone who lives in a state that saw gains (Alabama), a lot of Republican voters from blue states are moving south now that WFH is a thing. Maybe they prefer the warmer climate. And homes are bigger and cheaper, while they can keep their blue state paychecks. 
  Of course, with them burning through real estate, "cheap" might not necessarily last much longer.
  Meanwhile, a lot of us who were already here who might consider moving to a more purple or blue state that better reflects our values can't necessarily just pick up and leave. Maybe we don't have the luxury of a WFH job just yet. Maybe we can't afford to. In any case, we've not been swapping places with the folks moving here.
  But the folks I've seen moving here from New York and California and New Jersey... Almost all of them have been more extremely to the right than I've encountered from even native Alabamians.
  This was reflected in our midterm vote, too, with Republican candidates gaining a much larger portion of voters than you'd normally see, even for midterms. I've not looked at other state's results, but I did notice some districts flipping, and so what I'm expecting is going to be seen is that red states have become redder and blue states have become bluer. >
  
  I’m not a Republican and bought a house in Jersey in 2020 because NYC’s quality of life is shit. My friend who isn’t a Republican moved to FL last year because NYC’s quality of life is shit. Another friend of mine moved to SF in Sept (which I consider worse than NYC at the moment) and she hates it. This isn’t a left or right issue to me, but simply a quality of life issue. Also, I’ve read and hear peoples complaints about how they hate their home states and the conclusion to that is, every state in America clearly has more or less the same issues and people do not want to continue dealing with it. They move around and find the best of the worst. It’s also good to note that people move all the time for many different reasons. >
  
  It seems like the issues you've taken are not issues with the state, but with cities. I live in NY... just not NYC anymore. Outside of the weather, I don't see the appeal when less dense areas are nearby. This is all opinion though and it's anecdotal on both ends. People I know that have left the metro areas have left for more rural areas vs southern ones. >
  
  Yes, I find that city living in general just isn’t conducive to a better quality of life. A lot of things that are normalized should never be normalized. When I moved, I couldn’t believe I normalized a shitty way of life. I know that others will disagree, I just think it comes down to what people are willing to put up with. What I would put up with others may not or what people accept I may not. >
  
  I think a lot of it is just personal values. 
  The main reason I stayed was family. When the matriarch of our family died, people started drifting. Most ended up in Florida (not due to the recent exodus. They moved to be closer to Puerto Rico in the early 00s). Once most of my family was gone, the balance I felt there was gone too. I had access to all the wonderful stuff I loved, but there was no counterbalance of community on the other side and it lost its appeal for me. 
  I lived in the suburbs for some time and have no greater template for hell now. 
  I then moved to a more remote area and realized that's what I needed. Now I bought property here and I feel it was one of the best choices I've ever made. I have my own family now though, so it's all very personal choices. I don't begrudge others theirs. >
  
  
  I lived in the suburbs for some time and have no greater template for hell now. 
  I then moved to a more remote area and realized that's what I needed.
  
  I've read similar sentiments from multiple redditors now, and I'm curious- what was so terrible about the suburbs? And what makes you enjoy the remote area so much more?
  I ask as someone who lives in a rather urban area and we're also looking to move to a more remote area in the coming years. >
  
  Again it's just anecdotal, but to me city life and rural life have their own unique advantages. One would assume that suburban life is a best of both worlds scenario, but it's the opposite. 
  There is no sense of community. The entitlement is off the charts. There is no feeling of culture or regional character. Local owned are either drummed out by corporations or they conform to corporate setups so much there is no real difference. You have to drive everywhere and the drive always sucks. You can't do anything without paying for it. 
  The schools tend to suck even though you're paying a ton for them. There is a level of NIBMYism I've never seen anywhere else. You don't even get the real benefit of owning your own home because they want to restrict the ever loving shit out of you. And the worst is with all of that, it's not even that much cheaper than living in the city. 
  Quite a rant, and again, totally my own opinion.