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  People like to have a choice.  Plus,  I’ve never a had a halfway good electric stove:  gas cooks better
context: The gas stove thing came out of nowhere and so quickly - and yet I’ve seen memes about how gas stoves are the liberal hive mind topic of the moment and I feel like the only people seriously saying anything about them are the right? >
  
  It did not come out of nowhere. The right is a well oiled outrage machine. One report was all it took to get them primed for pearl clutching. >
  
  Its's really bizarre how they can rile up the base so easy. >
  
  Nothing bizarre about it: They've spent billions upon billions building a command infrastructure and distribution for precisely-timed outrage orchestration. >
  
  Ok, it's bizarre how republican voters buy into to it so easily. >
  
  The M&M freakout was more fun.  Stupid republicans. >
  
  I missed the M&M thing, I'm out of the loop too. >
  
  Fox News host was mad that green M&M was no longer wearing fuck-me-boots. >
  
  Jesus tap-dancing Christ, seriously? >
  
  Because Republicans have zero policy agendas they manufacturer false takeaway issues.  Their favorites: guns, Christmas, religion, gas cars, coal, oil, lightbulbs and now gas stoves.
  Where in fact, they are the take away, tear it down group, freedom of speech, book banning, ease of voting, FBI, DOJ, women's rights, healthcare, social security, Medicare and last but not least, democracy. >
  
  Look at how coordinated it was too. Every Fox host was running it as their top story. So desperate to distract from GOP failures, and so devoid of ideas, that they blow up any little thing into a battle for America.
  It must be so exhausting to get angry about this every day, because none of these made up issues are ever getting 'fixed' or resolved in a way that would satisfy  Fox viewers. >
  
  These are the same people who tried to get asbestos BACK into buildings during trump >
  
  My father consistently reiterates that asbestos is a manufacturers dream and there’s no reason for all the damn fuss about it. >
  
  That’s the reason for that old saying, “Asbestos is the bestest.” >
  
  A more realistic regulation would be to require that gas stoves be installed under a hood that vents to the outside of the house. Too many vents only filter and recirculate the air. >
  
  It is hyperbolic fantasy like Biden banning hamburgers. It is stunning how many dim people believe such kookoo bs without question or suspicion. >
  
  LEDs versus Light BIlds
  CRT
  all the same reasons.   Faux outrage to keep the base in fear. >
  
  The Republican culture-warriors, and fear-mongers have people up in arms about having their gas stoves taken away; while distracting them from their plan to have our Medicare, and Social Security eliminated, or diminished. >
  
  “You’ll take away my gas stove from my cold dead hands. I’m going leave the gas running without the pilot light, and light a Marlboro for maximum lib owning” >
  
  "Looks like both hands landed far from the blast. They're cold and dead now, but otherwise remarkably undamaged. See? That one's still holding the filter." >
  
  M&Ms and stoves. Is that the plan for the GQP? >
  
  So, the R's are now resorting to the use of natural gas for their gaslighting escapades? >
  
  Since the Democrats already banned beef there's really no need for stoves. >
  
  Remember when we used to have Mr Potato Heads and Dr Seuss books? And eating meat was legal? And interracial marriages weren't forced by the government? And now, alas, the grocery stores are full of soy protein, no meat at all! The toy departments only contain Amorphous Humanoid Potato Entity. Purple haired liberals dance in the parking lots of Whole Foods the country over around bonfires of Dr Seuss books! >
  
  It was about "culture," wasn't it? >
  
  I had no idea wtf my few Rightwing friends were talking about when they brought up Gas Appliances. I found out today and they wonder why I laugh at them. >
  
  When your party is centered around the idea of limiting federal power, it's very easy to profit by spinning any discussion into "The government is trying to take away something or tell you what to do".  
  Steering these conversations this way does nothing to inform the public and may even mislead them about what is actually happening, but pays off in the polls. >
  
  A couple days before the stove drama began, my in-laws were talking about how dangerous candles are for lung health. When the drama started they were all saying how safe gas stoves are, and woke libs ruin everything. >
  
  
  Genuine or not, the stove flap gave Republican lawmakers an opening to put Biden’s energy policies back on the front burner, after last year’s spurt of high gasoline prices had faded from the headlines.
  
  Ok the rest of the article hurt my skull ,but this sentence just hurt my brain. It literally makes no sense. The entire premise is that it's bad for your health and causes asthma. Now the article is taking about energy policy? Then it switches right back into talking about culture issues.
  This sentence just felt out of place like the author was going to make a point then just left it out there as a half formed thought. >
  
  I have cooked on convection, induction, and gas stoves (not a pro, but im an alright cook)... I find induction to be the best for most applications. Water boils really fast, pans can heat up instantly (i mean, under 3 seconds), it is more energy efficient. It is also safer since there is no potential gas leaks and the induction stove top naturally stays cooler than the other two technologies. >
  
  Everyone knows induction is Black Magic, that those stoves are the work of -------- Sa-tan! >
  
  Biden should threaten to ban cooking over a tire fire. >
  
  The SC is going to rule on whether or not state legislatures can send their own electoral college votes to Congress for POTUS in defiance of the will of the citizens of their states.But banning gas stoves, which was never an option, is a top priority for republicans. Because they’re all about liberty and not regulating what Americans can and can’t do…
  …Unless it’s getting an abortion or birth control, getting married if you’re gay, going to drag shows, or reading books that “groom” children by mentioning gay or black people. >
  
  Just part of the GOP's base ideology, Guns, Gas and Gays. >
  
  What is interesting here is that Republicans are the self-proclaimed defenders of home-rule and local government.  Except when those governments are doing something that they don't like, and then suddenly they want to deploy the power of the federal government to put a stop to it.
  That is what this entire "controversy" is about.  A number of municipalities are passing laws restricting or banning gas heaters and stoves on new constructions... And the Republicans want to turn it into a federal matter and outlaw the idea of it. >
  
  Like politico is going to do an awesome job of explaining the right? >
  
  Vice signaling. >
  
  I can only speak for myself but if there is something in my home that might be dangerous I'd like to know about it. >
  
  Can’t gaslight without gas >
  
  Imagine. Modern day fascists in a führer over losing their gas ovens. >
  
  Small minds and small balls? >
  
  We gotta stop writing articles about dumb tweets, and yes, I gotta stop commenting on articles about dumb tweets. We all need trump rehab. >
  
  Dumb tweets make the publications wayyy too much money and ate literally free to print, they aren't leaving that shit anytime soon >
  
  Yeah…Utopia is a ways away. 😭 >
  
  the what >
  
  Seems like it’s the left’s freak out not the right’s.  It’s the left that wants to ban them. >
  
  Nobody is trying to ban gas stoves. >
  
  They're morons... That's what it was about >
  
  My favorite part of this whole thing is the gas stove challenge on TikTok >
  
  These politicians will make a culture war out of anything! >
  
  Makes me wonder what the right would do if asbestos was still legal...or lead paint. >
  
  It's always about money.  The Republican party is protecting the fossil fuel industry, as is tradition. >
  
  I think a lot of people don’t know all the tools that are in the federal government’s toolbox to change people’s behaviors. Banning stuff has its role but it is a super blunt instrument compared to the financial incentives that are how they are probably actually going to reduce gas stove use over the coming decades. >
  
  Shall not be infringed.  It's in the Constitution. >
  
  Many people have and use gas stoves and ranges.  They don't want the gas appliances to be banned. >
  
  It'd make sense to ban them for new buildings because natural gas delivery is going to be phased out within the lifetime of the building. 
  This shit isn't infinite. We are going to have to transition. >
  
  guns don't kill...gas stoves kill....only in America >
  
  You need to arm the stoves the only way to stop a bad guy with a gas stove is a good guy with a gas stove. >
  
  The gas stove thing came out of nowhere and so quickly - and yet I’ve seen memes about how gas stoves are the liberal hive mind topic of the moment and I feel like the only people seriously saying anything about them are the right? >
  
  It did not come out of nowhere. The right is a well oiled outrage machine. One report was all it took to get them primed for pearl clutching. >
  
  Its's really bizarre how they can rile up the base so easy. >
  
  Nothing bizarre about it: They've spent billions upon billions building a command infrastructure and distribution for precisely-timed outrage orchestration. >
  
  Ok, it's bizarre how republican voters buy into to it so easily. >
  
  Keeping people dumb, desperate, and angry goes a long way. Being the party of oligarchs, who also control most of the media, doesn't hurt either. >
  
  And they always focus on little simple issues that will make people mad. >
  
  The ways that they manipulate and gaslight are as effective as they are immoral. I would honestly be impressed if I weren't so angry at the suffering they cause. >
  
  The M&M freakout was more fun.  Stupid republicans. >
  
  I missed the M&M thing, I'm out of the loop too. >
  
  Fox News host was mad that green M&M was no longer wearing fuck-me-boots. >
  
  Jesus tap-dancing Christ, seriously? >
  
  That’s old news. The latest rage machine is that M&M’s released a “women’s empowerment” product featuring only the… female M&M’s. It’s just a special product featuring only 3 colors of the stupid candies but republicans are complaining about how stupid and woke it is. 
  And, like, it is stupid, but who cares. It’s fucking anthropomorphized candy, they taste the same regardless of their color. >
  
  Conservatives furiously masturbate to the female M&Ms and you can’t convince me otherwise. >
  
  There was a Steve Meyers piece about this awhile ago. Really funny! >
  
  Because Republicans have zero policy agendas they manufacturer false takeaway issues.  Their favorites: guns, Christmas, religion, gas cars, coal, oil, lightbulbs and now gas stoves.
  Where in fact, they are the take away, tear it down group, freedom of speech, book banning, ease of voting, FBI, DOJ, women's rights, healthcare, social security, Medicare and last but not least, democracy. >
  
  Look at how coordinated it was too. Every Fox host was running it as their top story. So desperate to distract from GOP failures, and so devoid of ideas, that they blow up any little thing into a battle for America.
  It must be so exhausting to get angry about this every day, because none of these made up issues are ever getting 'fixed' or resolved in a way that would satisfy  Fox viewers. >
  
  PiL..."Anger is an energy. " >
  
  These are the same people who tried to get asbestos BACK into buildings during trump >
  
  My father consistently reiterates that asbestos is a manufacturers dream and there’s no reason for all the damn fuss about it. >
  
  There is a town in Canada called Asbestos, and there was a higher rate of lung cancer there in the population simply because of particles in the air from the nearby asbestos manufacturing. The other non-asbestos towns didn't have this increased rate of cancer. >
  
  There should be a study to determine the cause of this discrepancy. Let's put the asbestos company in charge of it. >
  
  M&Ms and stoves. Is that the plan for the GQP? >
  
  Since the Democrats already banned beef there's really no need for stoves. >
  
  Remember when we used to have Mr Potato Heads and Dr Seuss books? And eating meat was legal? And interracial marriages weren't forced by the government? And now, alas, the grocery stores are full of soy protein, no meat at all! The toy departments only contain Amorphous Humanoid Potato Entity. Purple haired liberals dance in the parking lots of Whole Foods the country over around bonfires of Dr Seuss books! >
  
  LEDs versus Light BIlds
  CRT
  all the same reasons.   Faux outrage to keep the base in fear. >
  
  LEDs are actually worse than regular light bulbs. I don't agree with banning bulbs. >
  
  Can you explain? >
  
  LEDs, especially the cheap ones flicker. Their color temperature is not as nice as a bulb which has a uniform spectral curve instead of the narrow spikes that phosphor-based spectrums have. You can really see both of this in action with Christmas lights as those are extra cheap. Flickery and dull lifeless color compared to the older bulbs. 
  Part of the flickering issue is that they're not running on DC. They're running on AC and need to be converted or have the thing smoothed out. If you don't do that they turn on and off instantly for the cycle. With a bulb it doesn't cool down fast enough before the next cycle arrives to heat it up again.
  Most cheap leds are just a blue led with a yellow phosphor. Then for crap Christmas lights they put a plastic shell over that. It's a very narrow spectrum. 
  The heat from a bulb is also nice in the winter for me. It is not wasted. >
  
  So they aren't worse... You just don't like them. That's very different. >
  
  Eyestrain, migraines, etc can be a negative for some people sure. Replacing all the streetlights with white lights affects night vision and insects. That's another downside. 
  Economically you have this thing made with electronic components and shipped over from China.
  Why? To save electricity? Our society is a pay what you consume society.
  This is an inferior technology that was legislatively enforced. The only beneficiaries are the people who own the factories and retailers. >
  
  
  Eyestrain, migraines, etc can be a negative for some people sure. Replacing all the streetlights with white lights affects night vision and insects. That's another downside
  
  As someone sensitive to all these my whole life and unable to work around florescent lights not one of these has been an issue for me with LEDs. >
  
  So, the R's are now resorting to the use of natural gas for their gaslighting escapades? >
  
  “You’ll take away my gas stove from my cold dead hands. I’m going leave the gas running without the pilot light, and light a Marlboro for maximum lib owning” >
  
  "Looks like both hands landed far from the blast. They're cold and dead now, but otherwise remarkably undamaged. See? That one's still holding the filter." >
  
  I had no idea wtf my few Rightwing friends were talking about when they brought up Gas Appliances. I found out today and they wonder why I laugh at them. >
  
  Something about nazis at a table >
  
  A more realistic regulation would be to require that gas stoves be installed under a hood that vents to the outside of the house. Too many vents only filter and recirculate the air. >
  
  I have had a number of gas stoves and I am pretty sure my current house is the first with an outside vent. >
  
  The Republican culture-warriors, and fear-mongers have people up in arms about having their gas stoves taken away; while distracting them from their plan to have our Medicare, and Social Security eliminated, or diminished. >
  
  I’ll willingly give up social security, especially if they stop taking it out and I can use how I please. But don’t you dare touch my gas stove! >
  
  I can only speak for myself but if there is something in my home that might be dangerous I'd like to know about it. >
  
  When your party is centered around the idea of limiting federal power, it's very easy to profit by spinning any discussion into "The government is trying to take away something or tell you what to do".  
  Steering these conversations this way does nothing to inform the public and may even mislead them about what is actually happening, but pays off in the polls. >
  
  It was about "culture," wasn't it? >
  
  Can’t gaslight without gas >
  
  manufactured Fear
  same thing it's always about. >
  
  It is hyperbolic fantasy like Biden banning hamburgers. It is stunning how many dim people believe such kookoo bs without question or suspicion. >
  
  How would the hamberder industry survive? >
  
  A couple days before the stove drama began, my in-laws were talking about how dangerous candles are for lung health. When the drama started they were all saying how safe gas stoves are, and woke libs ruin everything. >
  
  It's always about money.  The Republican party is protecting the fossil fuel industry, as is tradition. >
  
  The SC is going to rule on whether or not state legislatures can send their own electoral college votes to Congress for POTUS in defiance of the will of the citizens of their states.But banning gas stoves, which was never an option, is a top priority for republicans. Because they’re all about liberty and not regulating what Americans can and can’t do…
  …Unless it’s getting an abortion or birth control, getting married if you’re gay, going to drag shows, or reading books that “groom” children by mentioning gay or black people. >
  
  Imagine. Modern day fascists in a führer over losing their gas ovens. >
  
  Because it's easy to argue against something the democrats aren't going to do anyways. >
  
  Vice signaling. >
  
  Makes me wonder what the right would do if asbestos was still legal...or lead paint. >
  
  Check in with Russia for that. >
  
  If conservatives were like this when the government wanted to ban asbestos we'd all have mesothelioma right now. >
  
  
  Genuine or not, the stove flap gave Republican lawmakers an opening to put Biden’s energy policies back on the front burner, after last year’s spurt of high gasoline prices had faded from the headlines.
  
  Ok the rest of the article hurt my skull ,but this sentence just hurt my brain. It literally makes no sense. The entire premise is that it's bad for your health and causes asthma. Now the article is taking about energy policy? Then it switches right back into talking about culture issues.
  This sentence just felt out of place like the author was going to make a point then just left it out there as a half formed thought. >
  
  I have cooked on convection, induction, and gas stoves (not a pro, but im an alright cook)... I find induction to be the best for most applications. Water boils really fast, pans can heat up instantly (i mean, under 3 seconds), it is more energy efficient. It is also safer since there is no potential gas leaks and the induction stove top naturally stays cooler than the other two technologies. >
  
  We got rid of our gas stove about a year ago, got a convection oven and an induction cooker.  Definitely a bit of a learning curve, but we'd never go back. It started with a study showing that gas stoves degraded indoor air. And finding the induction 'burner'. 
  Rs and Faux are just reactionaries trying to revive dying technologies. >
  
  The only time I used induction cookers were portable ones for catering jobs.  My issues was if I wanted to make a dramatic change in temp, for a reduction for an example, gas was much more efficient and reactive.  Do you think that's because they were older inductions?  Do the newer inductions perform better? >
  
  A portable induction cooker (especially running on North America's electricity grid) will not have as much power as a big gas burner, so it won't be able to heat up a large pan as quickly. Permanently-installed induction ranges aren't limited to 120V 15A electrical supply, so they can deliver much more power. They also deliver the power directly to the pan, rather than heating the air under the pan.
  But even a portable induction cooker should be able to reduce its power output instantly, unless it has stupid controls like up/down buttons instead of a knob that can be twisted quickly. >
  
  Appreciate the information! Thanks. >
  
  It'd make sense to ban them for new buildings because natural gas delivery is going to be phased out within the lifetime of the building. 
  This shit isn't infinite. We are going to have to transition. >
  
  Transition is a dirty word on the right >
  
  What is interesting here is that Republicans are the self-proclaimed defenders of home-rule and local government.  Except when those governments are doing something that they don't like, and then suddenly they want to deploy the power of the federal government to put a stop to it.
  That is what this entire "controversy" is about.  A number of municipalities are passing laws restricting or banning gas heaters and stoves on new constructions... And the Republicans want to turn it into a federal matter and outlaw the idea of it. >
  
  They have a well oiled outrage machine ready to go for new talking points. Anything that is good for your health is a prime target. They have proven that it gets out the vote. >
  
  I stuffed a shirt up my water heater exhaust pipe because I'm not a SHEEPLE >
  
  I think there may be a trend against it but it shouldn’t be legislative.    I like my gas outside BBQ.   If the electricity goes out, I still have a way to cook dinner.    People that are accustomed to cooking on gas stoves inside really love them. >
  
  Just part of the GOP's base ideology, Guns, Gas and Gays. >
  
  Biden should threaten to ban cooking over a tire fire. >
  
  They pick their spots well. 
  It does seem like it's only a matter of months or a few years before we have data to say something like "childhood asthma would drop 10% if we replaced gas with electric stoves in all apartments".
  Which leads to local rules like "no gas stoves in new construction".
  So they need to get you emotional now, on tribal lines, before you learn 1,000 kids die a year from preventable asthma attacks that wouldn't exist, or other reasons future "no gas stoves in new construction" rules pop up, or whatever. They're gonna take your wok! >
  
  I am not disagreeing with you, but I will say that my carbon steel wok kicks way more ass on my induction stove than it ever did on my gas stoves of the past. >
  
  I have a CS wok shipping, as I bought The Wok cookbook. Good to know. 
  If my  gas stove can't get it done right, it might be time to get a good induction hot plate. >
  
  God, Guns, and Gas Stoves! Like Moe, Larry, Curly and Jim Jordan. >
  
  This whole culture war bullshit started when certain colleges were forced to racially integrate after the Feds determined they were discriminating in their integration approach a few decades ago. >
  
  I still remember how they had the old people in a flurry of woe over “ taking our light bulbs”. >
  
  Dim people dont like LED lighting. >
  
  This comes up every once in a while. It goes no where because people like cooking with gas. Just like the recurring scare mongering about wood stoves and fireplaces. >
  
  And of course, Joe Fucking Manchin has to weigh in, idiotically, and throw fuel in the fire. >
  
  Was he pushing coal stoves?