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  Turkey and Hungary, two nations that maintained ties with Moscow since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine,  have stalled on the parliamentary votes required to approve Finland and Sweden’s accession.
  Let's kick these two out of Nato, problem solved.
context: Whatever Turkey gain from this I hope it will be worth it because other members will not forget and it might impact Turkey in the future down the road. >
  
  Yep, good luck ever trying to join the EU. As for Hungary, it gives more reason to kick them out of the EU. >
  
  
  kick them out of the EU.
  
  I don't think that's possible. >
  
  It would be if only Poland stopped backing them >
  
  Fucking Turkey, posturing as if Finland and Sweden aren’t better prospective members than they are actual members.
  They’ve made every compromise they can, short of changing their own constitutions which isn’t a unilateral option in a free society (granted, free society may be a concept Turkey struggles with.)
  They’re just using this vote to wring more and more concessions out of the US, the latest gift is fighter jets, I heard. >
  
  Turkey and Hungary, two nations that maintained ties with Moscow since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine,  have stalled on the parliamentary votes required to approve Finland and Sweden’s accession.
  Let's kick these two out of Nato, problem solved. >
  
  
  Let's kick these two out of Nato, problem solved
  
  You cannot remove members from NATO. >
  
  True... but everyone can leave and start a new one. Make hungry and turkey beg to be let in.. make them give us a bunch of outdated military crap. >
  
  And then Turkey probably gets let in for the same reason again. Control of the Bosporous, a large army, and the fact that this is a military alliance not a cultural one. >
  
  True, but if we let Sweden and Finland in first, their veto is worthless. >
  
  Sure, you're right. 
  But that will take such a monumental amount of effort, and resources that it wouldn't happen. First, someone has to leave NATO, and hope that everyone else doesn't get cold feet. Then, the massive amounts of reorientation involved, even if it's a copy and paste deal. All to admit two entities who would already probably help out NATO if necessary. >
  
  don't you just type something like  git fork nato nato2 ? >
  
  Hungary and Turkey are the Gaetz and Bobert of NATO, you can’t have the tail wagging the dog when it comes to defense. >
  
  Change NATO policy to like a vote where you need only 95% of nations to vote for change. Why be blocked by one or two shit countries. >
  
  95% would be a 19 - 1 vote.  For 2 asshole countries, you would need 38 yes and 2 no.
  Need to lower that bar to like 80%. >
  
  But Sweden put those sweet sweet minerals on the table >
  
  Turkey will continue to play this hand until it starts to look like the rest of NATO will establish a series of bilateral alliances with Sweden/Finland. 
  Then it will cash in. Until that point, their ask will be unreasonable.
  Frankly, they're de facto members already. Russia attacks one of them and there isn't any way much of NATO accepts such an attack without going to war. >
  
  With Finland and Sweden being members of the CSDP (EU defense treaty), all but 8 nations in NATO are already committed to their defense (Albania, Canada, Denmark, Montenegro, Norway, Turkey, the United Kingdom, and the United States). >
  
  Fuck Erdoğan and his fascism. >
  
  If you think Turkey is an ally to NATO or the US, you are going to have a bad day. >
  
  Twas ever thus with Turkey >
  
  "I'm Turkey and I'm important!" >
  
  Gobble gobble! >
  
  Why allow this?  Why is one country, one NON DEMOCRATIC country, allowed to make this choice for the rest of NATO?
  I get that it would never be a simple majority because there is too much at stake.  But something like a 3/4 super majority would be vastly preferable than letting some of these tiny shithole (or in this case, mid sized shithole) countries decide for the rest of us who to let in and who to keep out, what aid to give, etc...
  Turkey is honestly on the wrong side of everything for the last decade.  What exactly do they offer the rest of NATO and the world that is worth putting up with all this bullshit for?
  And if you tell me that they might side with our enemies and then we lose an ally - they are keeping us from getting 2 REAL allies now because they are busy being a fake one. >
  
  
  Why allow this? Why is one country, one NON DEMOCRATIC country, allowed to make this choice for the rest of NATO?
  
  Because no other country can compel them to enter a defensive alliance with another country?
  I mean how could one NATO member force Turkey to sign a Treaty? Makes no sense >
  
  That....
  Makes sense.
  So maybe the rest of NATO needs a secondary alliance to not have to deal with these dictatorships.
  Not having any way to remove a nation from NATO is causing predictable issues at this point. >
  
  My initial reaction was naive.  Simplistic and idealistic.  Several people have responded with very reasonable, informative takes like this.
  Thank you. >
  
  Maybe it's time to expel Turkey? >
  
  Unpopular opinnion: european countries, including sweden have been supporting terrorist groups in Turkey for years. Now  Turkey has a chance to "strike back". Kind of a revenge I guess >
  
  You truly are one of the stupidest people alive. 
  I hope you get better soon >
  
  i would say you will be stupid for the rest of your life. the upvote shows that you are not alone. >
  
  Hahahahahahahaha Turkey be breaking everyone balls >
  
  Whatever Turkey gain from this I hope it will be worth it because other members will not forget and it might impact Turkey in the future down the road. >
  
  Yep, good luck ever trying to join the EU. As for Hungary, it gives more reason to kick them out of the EU. >
  
  
  kick them out of the EU.
  
  I don't think that's possible. >
  
  It would be if only Poland stopped backing them >
  
  Fucking Turkey, posturing as if Finland and Sweden aren’t better prospective members than they are actual members.
  They’ve made every compromise they can, short of changing their own constitutions which isn’t a unilateral option in a free society (granted, free society may be a concept Turkey struggles with.)
  They’re just using this vote to wring more and more concessions out of the US, the latest gift is fighter jets, I heard.