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  Way way higher. No protests no outrage no media coverage. Happens all the time.
context: When I saw the title I was hoping it was this case. Juniors case really got to me and I still think about him. Such a tragic case and I’m happy they were all convicted. I hope juniors family can find peace now after this long process of getting Justice with our system. I still hate how we don’t know what happened to the girl who pointed the finger at him. I think she deserves time as she essentially put the hit on him. >
  
  They should lock these guys up even if they kill the right person. >
  
  was big news when it happen, kid begged for help down multiple streets and in a grocery store. 
  no one helped as 12+ men dragged away a crying screaming child.
  terrible. >
  
  Not really reasonable to expect anyone to intervene in a 1 v 12. No idea why you’re assigning any blame to bystanders and not, you know, the murderers. >
  
  This is where a gun helps. 1v12 with fists ain't happening. A rifle will make them think twice.
  Doesn't account for then possibly coming after you later though. >
  
  How do you know one of the 12 doesn’t also have a gun >
  
  I guess we should only try to save people when we're sure we won't get hurt. >
  
  Uhh yeah? It's the reason why it's advised if you're not trained not to try saving someone who's drowning by swimming to them as it's likely you'll both end up dead. >
  
  I thought the shooter's competence was presumed. >
  
  What a waste. 
  Fourteen lives ruined directly. 
  Then there's also the effects on their families and loved ones.
  All for what?
  Fucking tragic. >
  
  Those lives were already ruined prior to all of this. >
  
  I guess the question is if you think lives can be saved before they reach the point of murdering someone. 
  If we knew these 13 kids were at risk a year ago, would there have been anything we could have done to change their life track? 2 years ago? 5 years ago? 
  I think the thing is, statistically, we do know what demographics and areas are the most at risk, so if it does boil down to if you either think people can be helped or if people are just born on the path they are…
  The kinda explains why half the country wants to fund community out reach programs to reduce crime and the other half want to use that money to fund the police. 
  But like, if we all see crime rise, doesn’t that mean crime can be reduced? >
  
  
  If we knew these 13 kids were at risk a year ago, would there have been anything we could have done to change their life track? 2 years ago? 5 years ago?
  
  Probably, at least for some of them. Most people aren't completely evil or true sociopaths. Without knowing a bit more about those 13 people and their specific circumstances I'm not really in a position to say exactly what would have been the best approach. >
  
  Goddamn I remember the video. A hint of justice was delivered today but the fact that everyone involved will get some of their life back after their sentence is horseshit. Some people can be rehabilitated, these are animals that belong in cages until they die. >
  
  
  New York State was the most expensive, with an average cost of $60,000 per prison inmate.
  
  200+ years x 60,000 dollars. 
  Pay up tax payers. >
  
  Idk where you’re going with this because the death penalty costs even more. What would you prefer they do with the criminals? >
  
  I'm just gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he means that if we address the root causes of crime, it'll be cheaper long term than having a million people incarcerated at any given time. >
  
  Such badasses, only took a dozen of them to kill a 15 year old >
  
  
  The gang apologized for the killing to the victim's family on social media. In addition, the gang leader expelled the killers from the gang as a result of this mistaken-identity killing.
  
  Oh good. Very sporting of them. >
  
  A 13in prison doesn’t seem nearly large enough for these scumbags >
  
  I remember reading this on Daily Mail. Makes me sick what happened to him. >
  
  When I saw the title I was hoping it was this case. Juniors case really got to me and I still think about him. Such a tragic case and I’m happy they were all convicted. I hope juniors family can find peace now after this long process of getting Justice with our system. I still hate how we don’t know what happened to the girl who pointed the finger at him. I think she deserves time as she essentially put the hit on him. >
  
  
  The gang apologized for the killing to the victim's family on social media. In addition, the gang leader expelled the killers from the gang as a result of this mistaken-identity killing.
  
  Oh good. Very sporting of them. >
  
  At least someone involved has integrity… not sure if I’m being sarcastic or not. >
  
  Honor among thieves and all that shit. >
  
  I remember sometime in 2005.  Driving down the FDR about to exit when I see some teen girl running in traffic. I scream to my cousin to stop the car. We were about to hit her. Shes banging on hoods of the cars on the highway. Help me!  Tears and fear in her eyes. She gets in and I look behind her and nothing short of 10-15 girls were at her heels.  I’ve been in trouble. I’ve been jumped. There was no fucking way we were leaving her. She gets in and we can’t understand shit she’s saying. We don’t what’s happening but we get here far enough from the locus of chaos to think her way out of it. And $20 bucks for a metro card or a cab. (Yea remember cabs). Anyone could have done that for junior.  We were in Manhattan. We dropped her in Brooklyn. I don’t know that she didn’t die later on. But she didn’t die that night. >
  
  They should lock these guys up even if they kill the right person. >
  
  was big news when it happen, kid begged for help down multiple streets and in a grocery store. 
  no one helped as 12+ men dragged away a crying screaming child.
  terrible.
  Edit there's multiple ways to help. In this case no one even called the cops, after being fatally stabbed he walked himself blocks to a hospital where  he passed. no reasonable human would physically intervene 12vs1 >
  
  Not really reasonable to expect anyone to intervene in a 1 v 12. No idea why you’re assigning any blame to bystanders and not, you know, the murderers. >
  
  1 v 12 or 2 v 12… im not liking either odds. I’m just going to stay inside >
  
  Unless you have a gun made for that. Like m249. And it would have to be in a position where you can safely use it without lighting up your neighborhood. And you would also have to be fine with killing people. >
  
  It’s funny because you just made me realize even if I used my gun it has a ten round magazine. I still couldn’t take them all out with reloading. Yeahhhh fuck that lol >
  
  Your advantage there is that people normally run for cover/away if you start shooting. Not to say you should try to engage in combat with 12 people, but if it comes up for some reason. >
  
  What a waste. 
  Fourteen lives ruined directly. 
  Then there's also the effects on their families and loved ones.
  All for what?
  Fucking tragic. >
  
  Those lives were already ruined prior to all of this. >
  
  I guess the question is if you think lives can be saved before they reach the point of murdering someone. 
  If we knew these 13 kids were at risk a year ago, would there have been anything we could have done to change their life track? 2 years ago? 5 years ago? 
  I think the thing is, statistically, we do know what demographics and areas are the most at risk, so if it does boil down to if you either think people can be helped or if people are just born on the path they are…
  The kinda explains why half the country wants to fund community out reach programs to reduce crime and the other half want to use that money to fund the police. 
  But like, if we all see crime rise, doesn’t that mean crime can be reduced? >
  
  
  If we knew these 13 kids were at risk a year ago, would there have been anything we could have done to change their life track? 2 years ago? 5 years ago?
  
  Probably, at least for some of them. Most people aren't completely evil or true sociopaths. Without knowing a bit more about those 13 people and their specific circumstances I'm not really in a position to say exactly what would have been the best approach. >
  
  Such badasses, only took a dozen of them to kill a 15 year old >
  
  I remember reading this on Daily Mail. Makes me sick what happened to him. >
  
  Goddamn I remember the video. A hint of justice was delivered today but the fact that everyone involved will get some of their life back after their sentence is horseshit. Some people can be rehabilitated, these are animals that belong in cages until they die. >
  
  
  New York State was the most expensive, with an average cost of $60,000 per prison inmate.
  
  200+ years x 60,000 dollars. 
  Pay up tax payers. >
  
  Idk where you’re going with this because the death penalty costs even more. What would you prefer they do with the criminals? >
  
  I'm just gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he means that if we address the root causes of crime, it'll be cheaper long term than having a million people incarcerated at any given time. >
  
  A 13in prison doesn’t seem nearly large enough for these scumbags >
  
  What are the chances of them getting away with it. If it was actually their target?