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  This CMV comes up a lot more than you'd think. Search abortion later on the sub and I promise you'll find a few, and this are just the ones that weren't deleted by OP/Mods. Might make for fun reading for you and your ideas. Now let's cover the points you made 
  Starting with your title. It doesn't really fit your view or reality. The reality is men do already have all the same rights that a woman does in terms of pregnancy. That's not the part that's unfair. The law would hold true completely for a pregnant man. The issue is men don't tend to get pregnant. But that's not an issue of legal rights, That's an issue of biological reality. The laws are fair and everyone has the same rights. 
  
  Is a fairly quick issue. Which is more important. The sanctity of bodily autonomy or the rights of a parent? It's that simple. Which is more important, which supersedes the other? To what extent is a parent forced to give their body for their child?
  
  Lots of people do things we don't want them to with their body. Consume alcohol, weed, get tattoos etc etc. How much control are we ok with forcing someone to give up of their own body. 
  
  Child support. You mentioned it in both points but here is where you really talked about it. Child support is for the child. Full stop.
  
  The irony is for a fair society both options punish a woman. Making a woman who had an abortion pay for a non existent child is just punishing abortions. Absolving a father of child support is punishing both the mother for having a child and the child for being born. Like you're giving men a financial threat over women while handing the control of a woman's body to a man. Not even a husband. Literally a one night stand can hold this over someone according to your new fair rules. 
  Plus that money now comes from somewhere because we have only 3 options. A) No one pays and the child pays with a harder life, B) Father/Mother pays the primary caregiver, C) Society pays through taxes in welfare. It's your choice which of those 3 you're most ok with. You said no to B. So are you advocating for A or C? Or are you offering a way out of the deadlock?
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  Men do have the same rights as women. If a man gets pregnant, he can abort without telling the person who got him pregnant. 
  What you're asking is that the man gets to decide A) if the woman can get an abortion, and B) if they want to pay child support. Women do not have either rights, so you're actively trying to give men more rights than women have. >
  
  Not to pile on, but the fact that this has to constantly be explained whether this idea comes up is… depressing. >
  
  You seem to be confusing two different concepts. 
  1, a woman uses her body and organs to provide for a foetus and has the right to stop doing so.
  2, parents are required to financially support their children.
  Imagine an 8 year child who lives with their dad and the mother pays substantial child support. The child gets ill and needs a kidney from the dad. Should the mother be able to stop paying child support because the dad could have refused to use his organs to save the child? >
  
  When the men can have the babies transferred into their bodies to support, they will be able to have equal rights there. >
  
  Until then it's her body, her choice.
  Child support is about supporting the child. >
  
  
  
  You don't get to decide to have her kidney removed, or her appendix, or her larnyx, or any other medical procedure.    Full Stop.  Likewise, she doesn't get to compel you to have a surgery. 
  
  
  Women don't get the right to be legally absolved from any responsibility for their child, and neither do you.
  You Already have Same rights.
  
  
  Simple as. >
  
  Well…. Nothing is stopping the woman from giving up for baby for adoption, leaving the baby as a shelter etc.  in which case she is no longer responsible for the child. >
  
  The father very much can stop that. >
  
  Both a man and woman have a legal right to medical care from their physician without obligations from a third party. 
  Both a man and women have a right to disconnect their body from anything. Both men and women have the same rights during their pregnancy. >
  
  No this is a situation where equal treatment is not feasible. It will always be unequal however the rules handle it, because biology is dictating that it will affect one person differently than another. >
  
  Yeah, I guess it's one of those things in life that can't be 50/50 >
  
  
  A woman, where legal, can get an abortion without telling the man who she believes to be the father. I'd argue this should go two ways
  
  It does: a man, where legal, can get an abortion without telling the woman who he believes to be the mother. 
  Perfectly equal. >
  
  The law isn’t written to provide some kind of strange fairness route for getting out of parenthood.  
  Abortion exists because a woman has bodily autonomy rights.  She cannot be forced to carry a child to term against her will.  If it pleases you, think of it as an emergency failsafe birth control option that is expensive and traumatizing. 
  Once a child is brought into the world, it’s not about fairness in wanting to parent a child: the law is there to protect the best interests of the child, the one human being who had zero say whatsoever in whether they were brought into the world and the one human being that has no ability to take care of itself.  So parents are required to actually raise their child or pay child support.  
  Now, a parent can surrender parental rights with agreement of the other parent, and parents can put a child up for adoption for another family to adopt them.  This would require both parents’ consent though, as both things are extremely traumatic for a child and there is an obvious societal preference for a child’s biological parents to raise them.