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  They couldn’t join because Russia invaded them back in 2014
context: Russians are killing Ukrainians, don’t get it twisted >
  
  Zelensky isn't blaming the west for Russia's actions.
  The point is that a lot of right wingers who support Putin are playing concerned centrists who claim that supporting Ukraine instead of letting Russia get a win, only serves to kill more people on both sides. 
  Zelenaky is turning that around and emphasizing that not sending support is what's causing deaths >
  
  Anyone who says the west isn't sending support is a lying jackass. Even if it's Zelensky. Ukraine has gotten more money and equipment already than they could have provided for themselves in half a century. >
  
  This is true, but it is also true that the aid is not enough.  Western governments are making decisions about what aid to send based on politics, not tactics. >
  
  Thing is, other countries aren't really obligated to send Ukraine aid. This is all politics. Yes, in real life it sucks that people are dying. In the giant poker game that is international politics, they are just more chips in the pot. Nations don't have morals, they have interests >
  
  Destroying Putin’s Russia is in our interest. >
  
  You don't have to go that far. Denying Putin Ukraine is in our interest and the right thing for people who support individual rights and freedoms. >
  
  Before the war yes, after all the rape, torture and other war crimes the goal should absolutely be the destruction of Putin's Russia. >
  
  Revenge is not a good motivation to continue a war. >
  
  War is bad, peace is good >
  
  We all know who’s killing Ukrainians.. >
  
  Russians would have killed fewer Ukrainians if the West finally got their shit together. >
  
  Probably yeah, but headlines like this can definitely rub people the wrong way.. >
  
  Very disappointed here, most commenters are basically saying "We already helped. Be grateful and stop asking for more already!"
  Of course the immense help from the allies is appreciated. Which is spoken every time, in every press conference by every Ukrainian official.
  The misunderstanding comes from two different worlds Ukrainians and the rest of the world are living in at the moment.
  For the rest of the world, the “situation” is “deeply concerning.” Otherwise, the life is pretty regular.
  In Ukraine, there's a war for survival. There are no half measures there – it's either survival or literal obliteration.
  The need for weapons is not Zelenskyy's whim. If the commander-in-chief needs more weapons to fight back, he tells allies: "I need more weapons to fight back."
  Or would you rather he needed weapons but kept silent about it out of (truly!) enormous respect and gratitude. And then die along with millions of Ukrainians in gratitude for the help they already received? >
  
  They don't realise the domino effect Russian victory will have in the future geopolitics >
  
  Almost none? Maybe some flags get changed but Russia has a limit to how much land they can steal. >
  
  If we fail to back Ukraine to the hilt now, given that we’ve already thrown in on their side and they are clearly willing to fight, and let waning support allow them to be overwhelmed, it signals that the west is not as committed to our allies as we claim to be.
  That emboldens adversaries. China can take Taiwan. The whole South China Sea and region would be vulnerable. Russia could look to Georgia. It would probably introduce some uncertainty over the commitment to the easternmost NATO members. >
  
  AFAIK Ukraine was never an ally to the west and always stayed on the fence taking benefits from both sides until Russia started kicking them around. Taiwan is an ally though, so you can't really compare them equally. >
  
  They were put in NATO’s Membership Action Plan in 2008. I have no idea why a Google search could have found this out, but you still needed to act like Ukraine has no relation with the West before 2022 when the Budapest memorandum was negotiated by the US and France with Russia for Ukraine in 1991. >
  
  Budapest was US, UK and Russia. France signed a similar but weaker pledge.
  But the key thing is (I did some research before posting my former comment to not misconstrue things) it does not commit the signatories to the defence of Ukraine. It promises to to attack, but does not pledge to defend, only offered ‘security assurances’ which are sufficiently vague so as to allow signatories to choose how to respond to a specific situation.
  This is pretty similar to Taiwan’s relations with the US which is why I think this war really is also a barometer for China to decide if they could get away with it. >
  
  Bad headline that only divide’s supporters. >
  
  Well, the headline is true >
  
  What indecision? All the tanks and stinger missiles are indecisive? Does he want..... The west to * gasp * fight their war for them? O mean Russia actually has weapons of mass destruction, but I think that reasoning is a bit passé. >
  
  What's with the shitty rhetoric in here? Mans country is under attack, of course he's going to  play to the crowd, his country expects him to.
  If Ukraine weren't under fucking Russian attack I could get being shitty about this. I think I can look past that given that, ya know, Ukraine is being invaded by fucking Russia unprovoked, though.
  Get over yourselves ffs. >
  
  Yes, unprovoked. Fuck off, Russian troll. >
  
  Fuck off, propagandist warmonger. >
  
  LOL, how stupid you have to be to think anyone will believe you when you pretend being anti-Russia makes me a warmonger. Don't you have some glue to eat? >
  
  I imagine that around the world, people who are living through war without the hope of a similar level of Western support might have a laugh about the idea that the West has been indecisive when it comes to Ukraine. >
  
  Not all conflicts and people are equal. Ukrainians are clear victims, with Western values - it's wrong to treat them as being just another "people living through war". They've earned Western support. >
  
  Ain’t no way someone typed this out and didn’t see the stupidity >
  
  Seriously. Such a bad take. 
  What did Ukraine do to earn western support over every other nation? Show up on the news everyday for the last year >
  
  
  What did Ukraine do to earn western support over every other nation? Show up on the news everyday for the last year
  
  Be white. >
  
  What indecision? The west has been on the side of Ukraine and sending aid for several years now. >
  
  About sending Leopard tanks ASAP as Russia is preparing for a new wave as the spring is about to begin. >
  
  Yeah he say the west but actually it is probably a polite way to say Germany.
  Still not sure why Germany is so cautious about greenlight the export of leopard from other countries, all the official explanation we have gotten so far don't make much sense to be honest. >
  
  Is the US sending tanks? >
  
  US is an entire ocean away. Germany is on the doorstep of this war. These countries claim they want to be “independent” from the US but then situations like this arise and all of a sudden it’s up to the US to make the first move or no one does shit. >
  
  It's not about logistics or speed, Germany wants to make the move together with the US so they're not singled out by Russia for any escalation and present a united front, because Germany is much closer to Russia and weaker than the US.
  Forcing Germany to be the "nail that sticks out" and be the potential focus of Russia's escalation is the issue here. >
  
  What Russian escalation? There's a NATO country between Russia and Germany, there is no way Russia could strike Germany before getting wipe out because they set foot in Poland. >
  
  EU and NATO countries - including the US - have all expressed concerns and voiced the need for caution.
  They have more intel than you do. >
  
  This is such a dumb argument
  "Trust the guy in charge - he's smarter because he's in charge"
  Ever heard of democracy? >
  
  Guess what, the German people are divided on sending the tanks, so this is democracy at work. >
  
  It's shitty that no concrete decision was made about the Leopards. But the west is still sending a ton of other good equipment like Bradleys, Strykers, Iris-Ts, and more Gepards. I know Zelensky is amping up the rhetoric because his country and people are on the line, but the west is certainly not as indecisive as it may seem. >
  
  In this headline, Zelensky is not amping up the rhetoric. As for the article:
  
  Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky praised the Nato partners for their military assistance, but said "we will still have to fight for the supply of modern tanks".
  "Every day we make it more obvious that there is no alternative, that a decision about tanks must be made."
  Ukraine's current tanks are mostly old Soviet models, often outnumbered and outgunned by Russian firepower.
  More than 2,000 Leopards are sitting in warehouses all over Europe. President Zelensky believes about 300 of them could help to defeat Russia.
  
  Nothing about Z's rhetoric is particularly amped up, since he's staying the obvious: yes Ukraine needs modern tanks, and the best place to source them from is Europe's Leo2 tank fleet, which was primarily built to fight Russians. >
  
  Had to scroll way to far down to find someone who actually clicked the article. I didn't clock it either. Damn reddit. But social media is not the place to get your new anyways >
  
  You mean Germany indecison >
  
  Oh, how many export requests did Germany get that they are not reacting to? >
  
  UK Minister of Defence has stated that at least one nation has in fact formally requested an export license, but Germany has not responded to it.
  Who do I trust, the UK MoD who hasn't lied, or the German government who's spewed no less than 3 different lines so far on this?
  
  
  We won't stop exports
  
  
  We haven't received any export requests
  
  
  We can only consider tanks as part of a coalition
  
  
  We can't export without the US doing the same
  
  
  We can't allow exports because Russia won't know if they're German or another nation's
  
  
  For the "leader" of the EU, acting pretty fucking spineless and cowardly, constantly moving the goalposts in order to justify their refusal to act. >
  
  You should add one important information: According to the MoD the formal request was put in yesterday. >
  
  Sorry, can anyone explain to me why everyone is talking about tanks now? Serious question. 
  Ukraine stopped the Russian attack early in the war without these wonderful tanks. Then pushed the Russians nearly back to the original borders without these tanks. Why is everyone obsessed with tanks now? What’s changed? >
  
  
  Then pushed the Russians nearly back to the original borders without these tanks.
  
  Not true. They pushed back to the Russian border in a part of Kharkiv Oblast. That's it. It's a tiny fraction of the 1000km battle front.  
  Doing the job properly requires at least two armoured brigades which require tanks as well as IFVs and APCs and other support vehicles. They are asking for 300 tanks. There are 2000 Leopard tanks currently sitting in warehouse reserves in the EU just waiting to be used.
  Germany will not grant the export license to allow these to be shipped to Ukraine. They have today asked for another month to consider the matter. Ukraine does not have another month. Russia is preparing for another overwhelming attack predicted for February or early March. >
  
  If Russia is expected to attack in 1-2 months, and even if Germany agreed today, would Ukraine armed forces be ready and trained by then? I asume it’s not just about knowing how to drive the tank, but learning combined arms tactics etc - is it realistic to expect them to be functional in one month even if the tanks were shipped this week? >
  
  They said the Ukrainians can be trained in a matter of weeks. They probably already have some experience with tanks. >
  
  This dude sure loves criticizing countries that are currently saving his ass. >
  
  Pretty sure you underestimate what is needed to prevent the russian meatwall running over your country... >
  
  I’m pretty sure it’s Russians that are killing Ukrainians >
  
  Let's rephrase the headline to "Ukrainians are dying because of West's indecision". Better now? And it's actually true, there is no explanation needed >
  
  Nope.
  “Ukrainians are dying because of Russia’s invasion.”
  FIFY >
  
  It's in US's best interest to drag this out to weaken Russia more, they're not obligated to help Ukraine if there's no benefits to them. Sending just enough to keep the battle going is what the US wants, the only lives lost here are Ukrainians and Russians and that's a price US is more than willing to pay. >
  
  A decisive victory would weaken Russia significantly more. >
  
  It would weaken them too much and at a higher expense the US/Western equipment. Despite what social media generals want, I think most western higher ups want to do everything they can to avoid Russia getting too close to collapsing from this >
  
  Exactly but many people on here think world politics is a video game and believe every fear mongering propaganda or heroic narrative. Global economy doesn't play a role at all, every ukrainian soldier is literally jesus, every russian is literally hitler, also the russians are at the same time weak and laughable and highly dangerous, the US should nuke moscow and everyone lives happily ever after >
  
  Europe is drawing battle lines. The West is waiting and watching as WW3 is within the realm of possibilities. >
  
  Kind of a strange thing to say when his country has received over a hundred billion in aid in under a year. >
  
  Not all aid is equal. 500 million in MREs while useful, isn't the same as 500 million in armored support. >
  
  I support the opposition of Russian invasion, but remain critical of the corruption not yet dealt with in the Ukrainian government (some foreign, much homegrown).
  That said, Podolyak is an ex-journalist who has paid more than once for speaking the truth. So here's his full quote:
  "Afterword to global indecision…
  You'll help Ukraine with the necessary weapons anyway and realize that there is no other option to end the war except the defeat of🇷🇺
  But today's indecision is killing more of our people. Every day of delay is the death of Ukrainians. Think faster" >
  
  Remember when the right wing wanted to fight Russia to the death? Then their orange messiah decides putin is an ok guy and everything’s cool?No fucking consistency whatsoever. >
  
  This is propaganda that benefits nobody but Russia. It is pushed by because it sounds good for political reasons, but it is helping Russians kill Ukrainians.
  Even diehard conservatives hate Russia. I know several who just want to launch nukes and be done with it. >
  
  Careful not to bite the hand that feeds you dude. Many in those countries are freezing or spending a lot of extra money because of you. >
  
  back to victim blaming >
  
  No but if everyone helps you and keeps you alive all of the time maybe it’s better to be a bit humble and thankful. >
  
  
  No but if everyone helps you and keeps you alive all of the time maybe it’s better to be a bit humble and thankful.
  
  If you are singlehandedly defeating the biggest security threat to the entire democratic world, you are entitled to respect and gratitude. Not to neckbeards shouting "Be more grateful!" >
  
  Oh Lord, I hope You’re not American because you’d sound like the biggest hypocrite in the world.
  If you’re Ukrainian I’d understand if you think that way. Even if Ukraine wasn’t particularly democratic at all. >
  
  I'm from an Eastern European NATO member state. Russia is an existential threat to European democracy, and has been extremely open about this. >
  
  Ukrainians are fighting to protect their own country AND the world order. The world that the western world really likes to keep.
  Think about it. >
  
  Hasn't anyone in Ukraine learned feom Melnyks case? Don't be a fucking cunt if your life depends on the goodwill of others. >
  
  No, Russians are killing Ukrainians. >
  
  Oh, has the billions of dollars in aid and supplies not been enough? >
  
  You think they should have defeated Russia already with the given aid? >
  
  Maybe. I don’t know, I’m not a military expert. But all I ever really see about this war these days is how the Russian army has nothing left to fight with and Zelensky demanding more. >
  
  So the West is supporting a country that is not even a member of Nato or the EU against its adversary, so much so on fact that several European countries already have problems with their armouries. A country that, before the war, was a haven for oligarchs and corrupt to its core. Said country has received the most modern equipment that many of the suppliers have, even though this would normally be an absolute no go and now the fact that one item on the wish list is not available immediately because of very real concerns (and the fact that Germany would have to take up to a year to refurbish the requested tanks) means that we are responsible for killing Ukrainians.
  I was already tired of the childlike indignation of Ukrainians before this fake discussion came along, but by now I am really wondering if this is even worth it. The East of Ukraine has always been staunchly Russian and has done its best to sabotage a united Ukraine, the country itself is a corrupt mess and there is absolutely nothing for us to be gained from helping them, especially since we are already financing and supporting a whole lot of other corrupt and ungrateful former Soviet States that love to waste our money. >
  
  Look Putin isn't only interested on Donbas but the entirety of Eastern Europe giving him an Inch is just enough to invade Poland and Bulgaria etc. >
  
  That's like your opinion man >
  
  Lol, my opinion is correct people like Putin will not stop just with Ukraine and the most rational people know this Hitler wasn't satisfied with Czech and Austin and this neglection resulted in the dead of tens of millions of people same will happen again if you think of giving up parts of Ukraine. >
  
  Any attack on NATO land would trigger WW3. 
  and lol to 'my opinion is correct' >
  
  Lol the way NATO countries hesitated and cannot come to a decisive decision especially a Pussy like Scholz and a Crook like Orban and if Trump gets elected in 2024.  NATO and EU are finished as neither will risk war with Russia and allow Putin to gobble up the Baltic states, Poland, Bulgaria, Romanian, and Czech plus once Russian succeeded in taking Poland Germany can say goodbye to democracy and independence as there is nothing left of the once might Bundeswehr >
  
  Bro >
  
  I haven't kept up with the news too much but from the stories I have seen there hasn't been much indecisiveness going on - in fact it seems like there's been quite a bit of decisiveness over sending supplies. >
  
  There are a lot more promises and other noise than there are actual help. >
  
  Isn’t Putin the one killing Ukrainians? >
  
  Thats how I’ve got it scored at home. >
  
  While his position is understandable, it’s not unreasonable to try to avoid a full out world war. >
  
  It’s not the Wests fucking war. Not our clowns, not our circus. I’m bored of this constant criticism of the West, while also thinking we are obligated to save everyone. >
  
  
  It’s not the Wests fucking war. 
  
  "Hitler attacking Poland is not UK's war! Why go to war with Hitler!". >
  
  "If Ukraine would show some appreciation and thanks for mUh HaRd eaRnEd tAXEs, which consisted of a $600 dollar return from the IRS, maybe I'll consider more support." >
  
  They actually should? Because millions upon millions of tax dollars are going to them? And we will never see a net benefit of it? >
  
  You mean that upholding world order which USA is the biggest benificent is not net benefit? >
  
  *oligarchs and politicians benefit from.
  The lack of healthcare, wages, and quality of life subsidize other wealthy nations with actual benefits. >
  
  
  wealthy nations with actual benefits.
  
  USA the biggest charity organization >
  
  Total victory for Ukraine >
  
  Russia is not going to attack a NATO country. >
  
  Putin is living in a bubble, his allies are afraid of giving him bad news. Russia has already stated it is at war with the collective west. 
  So we don't really know if Russia would attack NATO. We need to live as though it might. >
  
  Giving Ukraine long range munitions too hit military targets in Russia and  Crimea would help though. >
  
  
  Germany has insisted that it is not blocking the delivery of German-made Leopard tanks, which other countries want to send.
  
  I hope people here actually read the whole article and don't overlook this. So many people are falsely saying that Germany is blocking other countries when no country has even made so far an official request. >
  
  I am so sick of this BS response from Germany while they keep pushing back
  It is a total misrepresentation of how this works
  The politicians are not in agreement and at this point would deny any request.
  The German leadership has stated as much many times.  They want the US to go first.  They will not approve any request otherwise.
  If you call the bank for a loan and they say no, you don't submit the formal loan application.  That doesn't mean the bank never denied you, it means they denied you even earlier in the process.  Which is exactly what Germany is doing here. >
  
  Christ what else does this guy want. We trained and supplied him with the world best weaponary. Aside from starting another World War what else can be done. >
  
  Lots.  Dragging out support is making the war take longer. >
  
  Can't really do anything else but supply them with weapons though, if Europe engage Russia with a madman at the helm you could make large parts of it uninhabitable.
  Saving millions of Ukrainians could have the opposite effect.
  I admit I would like this to end soon too, but I don't have any bright ideas to do so. Do you? >
  
  Yes, supply the leopard-2 tanks.. >
  
  Indecision?! Seriously?! After ALL of the aid that has been provided? >
  
  RELEASE THE LEOPARDS >
  
  Considering they likely would have been rolled over by now if it wasn't for the material and logistic support the west had been shoveling them, I think they need a bit more gratitude. >
  
  He misspoke, it should say "Germany's indecision."
  But I fully get what he is doing, he wants the west as a hole to pressure Germany into helping. >
  
  Let’s just send them a few more billion dollars as we go broke. >
  
  Germany's GDP in 2021 was 4.26 trillion. If they alone send a few billion, they won't go broke. >
  
  Anyone keeping track of all the funds and weapons the US sent that mofo? >
  
  Shouldn’t this be on /r/choosingbeggars? Like how many billions have been sent? >
  
  No, it's just a bad headline. >
  
  I really dislike this statement.
  The west owes you nothing. They are helping out of good will and morality, but it's their own choice.
  To say their indecision is killing Ukrainians is totally ungrateful for the help they've received so far, without which they'd long be gone from the maps by now. It is not the west's job and responsibility to protect Ukraine. A country that itself isn't saint and was ridden with corruption not long ago.
  I really with they'd put more thought into statements like this because they are not helping. It only gives more fuel for those who oppose helping them. >
  
  the west funded overthrowing of russian-friendly president of Ukraine in 2014, the west funded ukrainian pro-western policy and its rearming to fit NATO's standards(for some reason, wow!), and now you are saying the west owes nothing to Ukraine? it's literally the biggest anti-russian project western countries could create, imagine backing down on helping pro-western Ukraine since the west inclined Ukraine to be its future ally after russians not stopping in Donbas region and Zelensky being afraid of it, it's so cheap to betray your own friendly country just because they are losing the war >
  
  Nah not accepting terms and dragging a war out for pride reasons is what's killing them. Sign some papers and people stop dying. >
  
  Yes, if you just give them what they want, they'll stop hitting you.  Really, it's your own fault. >
  
  Leave Kanye out of this … >
  
  Its pretty obvious, the West has decided, Ukraine gets no non-monetary help b/c Russia has nukes. >
  
  The US didnt dare get into a hot war with Russia during the cold war when they were actually "fighting" EACH OTHER... they wont do it now that they stand to gain nothing and stand to lose everything >
  
  Wish someone would just end this damn war, idc who wins >
  
  Russia needs to fucking lose…and lose hard.  As in, completely unable to move against any neighboring country for the next 20 years. >
  
  He is right. NATO's refusal to provide adequate amount of weapons is costing Ukrainian lives. >
  
  They(Ukrainians) are fighting the conflict these weapons(leopard /Abrams) were designed for, against the enemy they were mostly designed for…and if said enemy is beaten or broken then..why are you not sending them! >
  
  what "indecision"? how many billions have we given you guys? i get its just money and ukrainian lives are being lost.. but i'm feeling like this pr move(it is) is just designed to piss people off.. whatever i guess but i don't think this even slightly makes sense given the 2.5 billion extra that was just announced... how much money do they expect? >
  
  Well my Dude, you should have joined NATO 20 years ago then. >
  
  US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin says, "This notion of unlocking - in my mind it's not an issue," but it sure looks like it's the crux of the matter to me.
  It is very curious that Austin won't say what is the issue preventing consensus on the transfer of Leopard 2's to Ukraine that Germany insists on if not US hesitation on sending Abrams "at this time"?
  CDU leader Johann Wadephul hit the nail on the head, when he asked what Scholz was waiting for?
  All this dancing around appears extremely counter productive and short-sighted of the larger goal of securing Ukrainian victory and perhaps that is the key difference, the heart of the matter, and that is neither the US nor Germany are fully on board with a Ukrainian victory. They very much want Russia to lose, but are reluctant of too help Ukraine win, and for that if that is the case, damn them to hell, they have Ukrainian blood on their hands. >
  
  I work with Germans every day of the week. On the whole good people but never underestimate their capacity to get bogged down in paperwork to the point of paralysis. It's a national pastime. Literally they could be on a sinking ship and fail to man the lifeboats due to not having submitted the relevant permit request.
  Putin was based in Germany when he was a KGB office teaboy. He knows how to manipulate Germany. >
  
  Then we have to pick a risk and run with it, can't sit on the fence and hope for the desired outcome. If Ukraine folds, all the aid and tech we've sent, ends up in Russia's hands, plus the Jarring realization that Russia now borders Poland and Romania because Moldova is gone as well. Oh and Russia controls most of the black sea. >
  
  I'm sure it's nothing billions of dollars won't fix though right? >
  
  This is what Zelensky (and a lot of people here) doesn't get. Here in the U.S. it's Biden saying "we'll do everything to support Ukraine". Some people are starting to ask "well when is it going to end Joe? What's the plan to end it?". Joe: "Gee, I don't know ask Zelensky!" This is not tenable long term. So you got Zelensky saying "hey, help us!" but when it comes to negotiating a solution it's "Mind your own fucking business!" >
  
  Ukraine should just be grateful for what is being sent and shut up . Nobody gives a shit what happens to them . Each country has their own issues >
  
  Someone needs to tell Zelensky that this is NOT the wests War. We are helping! We do not have to help, we are choosing to help and he needs to get that in his head. Billons of $ have been donated. that is a crazy amount. Let him not bite the hand that feeds him >
  
  We absolutely have to help, Ukraine chose to fight, we picked a side, rendered aid, so we have to see it to the end. The west will look weak and stupid if we fail to assist Ukraine effectively. We made this bed back in Feb 24, its too late to start bickering about tanks. >
  
  Ukraine is not part of NATO, we don't have a duty to protect them; but the fact that we supported them is what kept them afloat, more aid is needed but I hope ppl don't forget that this isn't the middle ages and modern/advanced military weapons is what wins wars. >
  
  Ok bud, you would have been hung in the Kyiv city square within a first week of the invasion without the West help. Sick of this fucking guy. >
  
  This shit is getting old. Time for him to take care of his own shit. You know he ain’t paying any of it back. 
  Would you keep giving a broke gambler money over and over knowing you’re enabling him?
  This is all so f’d up 
  We are getting played. Dude wears the same tired type of outfit to make him seem needy meanwhile he and his wife are loaded. Dude needs to sell his properties and pay for his own dang war. 
  We can’t even take care of ourselves. >
  
  all these active people here worried about Ukranie were sleeping at the time of iraq.. lol >
  
  i dont think people realize how close the entire united states economy is to collapsing >
  
  Lol you actually believe that? 💀 don't get your hopes up bud >
  
  I think the US should completely stop Aid and see how far the Ukrainians get. I’m all for helping Ukraine but it’s never good enough or quick enough. How about the EU start helping more >
  
  Honestly kind of sick of the whining. Ukraine isn't a NATO member and we've given them $21 billion in aid so far. They'd be Russia now if it wasn't for the US. I'm not even counting the aid of other countries. >
  
  $48 billions as of November 2022. The $2.5 billion package of Stryders will push it to over $50 billion. The US spent the equivalent of $1 trillion dollars today in the Vietnam War. I’m sure Congress can keep this shit going almost indefinitely if they want to. Meanwhile the infrastructure is falling apart and youths are not getting the help they deserve. >
  
  While I agree that having infrastructure would be nice, this isn't a fair argument because it wouldn't have happened anyways. Plus this is mostly old equipment that's being sent here that's being used to weaken one of our major geopolitical rivals. >
  
  Taiwan can afford the weapon's the US has for sale. Ukraine wants a hand out. Kick a gift horse in the mouth >
  
  One of those countries is economically prosperous and not under attack. The other has had their entire industry destroyed and their people had to leave their jobs and go fight on the front lines to defend their home. Those are two very different situations >
  
  We’ve given far more than a nation 6,000 miles from the battlefield should give. Enough already, Mr Z. >
  
  Germans: "can we please, please go back to 1 year ago and forgive-forget everything? We really really like to transform Russia raw material in BMWs. These petty war over nothing is ruining our profitz.  I am flying to China, now". >
  
  I don’t pitch a dog a bone and ask him if it taste good >
  
  TBH their fuck up not joinining NATO is what's killing them,apart from, you know , russians....