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  This is the kind of data you fight with. Not morality of abortion itself.
  I wish there was a sub dedicated to the data that abortion saves.
context: "Some of you may die, but we are ok with making that sacrifice, in Jesus' name...Amen." - Republicans >
  
  Holy smokes that is baaad.
  For context, that death ratio is the same as China’s. It’s worse than Russia, Mexico, Romania, Tajikistan and ten deaths per thousand worse than Cuba or Iran. It’s double Puerto Rico and Saudi Arabia.
  sauce >
  
  So when are we going to just admit that Republicans hate women and want them to die. Republicans enact policies that make women die because they want women to die. Any person who votes republican is a sad excuse for a human and wants other humans to die. >
  
  Everyone's aware at this point - but Republicans don't have shame, so pointing this out won't make any difference. >
  
  The GOP is okay with that. Just like they want more babies but not comprehensive healthcare coverage.
  They want more people because people are data or marketing pionts to them. >
  
  
  They want more people because people are data or marketing pionts to them.
  
  Honestly, I don't think that's their motivation.
  The upper-echelons of power in the GOP don't give two fucks about abortion.  If anything, deep down they know they want access to abortions if they need them.
  The people who hold the purse-strings in the GOP use the abortion issue to force under-educated people to accept other policies that they otherwise would have no reason to support... like tax cuts for the rich and unfettered capitalism and corporate cronyism.
  They've gone about making working class white people feel like part of some exclusive club because of their shared views on this one key moral issue.  
  It's an ideological illusion to make any average working stiff who supports the GOP feel like they're in the same boat with billionaires, millionaires, war heroes, etc. >
  
  This should be at the top. It’s never been about abortion for those in control, it’s a tool just like racism and every other shitty thing they put on Fox News. You nailed it. >
  
  Yup, without their tools of abortion and bigotry, the Republican Party would have already been wiped out electorally by now. >
  
  Who said anything about misinterpretation? Not I. These people are ghouls. >
  
  That's a bot >
  
  Cruelty is the point. >
  
  The first in a long line of negative reports on this issue. Many of the short-sighted pro-lifers won’t realize, if at all, how bad of a mistake this was for another 15-25 years. Which is a shame because a lot of folks know they done fucked up on day one. >
  
  In the meantime, there will be an influx of women dying and single fathers, being left to pick up the pieces of their families. >
  
  Somewhat related but not really but your comment reminded me of how I was told about my great-grandpa's first wife died shortly after delivering a stillbirth. Apparently he went on the rebound right after that, knocking my great-grandma (who was actually his second wife) up and then ultimately marrying her and they had five children (including my maternal grandmother) together. >
  
  You’re right: 50 years ago Republican politics and Evangelical activism were different. >
  
  NPR was playing sound clips from the "pro-life" gathering in DC where people were saying "This is only the beginning!" They want a ban on abortion pills. Then probably just incarceration for talking about abortion, I suppose. Jail time for interrupting a man. >
  
  Yes. The pro-life states are already the ones with higher maternity deaths. Abortion has nothing to do with it. >
  
  No hate like Christian love >
  
  That's the "pro-life" party for you. >
  
  All because of a misinterpreted thousands of year-old book of folklore and fables. >
  
  For many pro-lifers, it is about religion, but far from all.
  Given how many atheists/agnostics there are estimated to be in the country, and how many are pro-life, there could be as many as 5.5M non-religious pro-lifers.  That's a population around the size of Minnesota or South Carolina. >
  
  And if you talk to them, it's unhappy 17 to 35 year old men, incels generally, who think women who are having sex, but not with them, are wh*res.  It's about punishment for them. >
  
  Bingo!!
  The Venn diagram between incels and pro lifers is a small circle inside a larger circle. >
  
  Are you saying that all pro-lifers are incels? Or that all incels are pro-lifers? >
  
  All incels are anti choice. >
  
  I am not. >
  
  I'm sorry, I made the mistake of choosing to read the words and not the minds of the commenters. >
  
  Jesus fuck, dude, I was just honestly trying to help. No need for you to chuck this pissy little strop. >
  
  Let those with uteruses choose what to do with them. >
  
  Bodily autonomy throughout all nine months of pregnancy. Accept nothing less. >
  
  Abortions after 6 months tends to be tragedies.  These are pregnancies that were wanted, hoped for.   They have started setting up the nursery, or receiving baby clothing.  
  Then they go to the doctor and find out that things have gone horribly wrong.  Their baby won't survive, or will have short, pain filled life.  Or the mother gets preeclampsia and will die if she stays pregnant, or any one of a large number of things that can go wrong.
  And if you know of someone who had to have a late term abortion, you tend to get very angry with the system.
  Because if it's not an immediate emergency, often their doctor abandons them - only a handful of doctors terminate late term pregnancies, and now they have to figure out to get one with a time limit looming - because different doctors have different limits on when they will preform one.  So abandoned by the doctor they trust, having to navigate a system that is hard enough when you aren't actively grieving, and not knowing who you can turn to for support and help in your family, because you can't handle losing a relationship over this, not right now.
  So yes, I am for bodily autonomy up to all nine months of pregnancy.    I think we need to trust women and their doctors and make a system that supports them. >
  
  This👆💯 >
  
  Increasing on all three lines
  Not a good look America >
  
  Yeah what's up with the 2020 jump in supportive states too? Covid resources making maternity wards under staffed? I guess I gotta read the article, brb >
  
  direct mortality from covid, mostly, from what I skimmed >
  
  So, working according to plan. Gotta get those orphan babies in the system so white people can have kids to adopt. >
  
  Let's not make the mistake of trying to assign practical logic to the motivations of the GOP when greed is the only real answer.
  The party leaders that have made the abortion issue as powerful as it is do not actually care about abortions or adoption or anything remotely related to this issue.  Full stop.  They care about abortion being a way to make working-class people vote for them, accepting and supporting policies that actively fuck themselves over.
  Adoption in the United States is not easy.  From what I understand (and I may be wrong here) it's easier to adopt a foreign child than it is an American child.  Unless, of course, you're rich.  If you're rich, it's going to be a lot easier.  Ergo, the billionaires who fund the millionaires who run and lead the Republican Party do not need adoption to be easier. >
  
  Adoption in the US in general is difficult. Adopting a kid from abroad is the one that is extremely expensive but less likely to fall through. Adopting a kid in the foster system has a high chance of falling through after they are already established in your home. >
  
  And often, the adoption is difficult by design. Especially if the people wishing to adopt are not the stereotype of a WASP nuclear family. >
  
  Even if you fit that stereotype it’s still difficult to adopt. >
  
  Yup, and incredibly expensive. >
  
  And Republican women would not have it any other way. >
  
  "Some of you will die. But, that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make!" >
  
  These people are pro-birthers not pro-lifers. If they cared about life they wouldn't put women's lives at risk. They would care about the circumstances surrounding the parents. They don't care about the sick or drug addicted babies that are going to be born. They don't even care about 8 year old rape victims.  They don't care about lives at all. The only reason the politicians are is involved is for the control they have over lives. >
  
  GOP: "Who cares, pop those kids out. Oh you both died? No problem, you would have been a drain on the system."
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  Wash, Rinse, Repeat. >
  
  The GOP are just Taliban moles trying to break our democracy. >
  
  The Taliban's interpretation of Sharia law is actually more permissive than multiple red states. >
  
  Yep. And if you list out the tenets of Sharia Law without actually mentioning the specific term, Republicans will line up to vote for it. >
  
  I think this study goes to prove that putting a woman’s health care in the hands of state legislators is detrimental to both mother and child.  
  Whether your pro life or pro choice, it’s obvious the final determinations of a pregnancy have to be strictly between the patient and their doctor. This study appears to support that premise. It’s also common sense! >
  
  This is why they are forced birthers, and not 'pro-lifers.' >
  
  they kill their own wives and daughters... >
  
  No, they’ll send them to a blue state (or Kansas) for a medically safe abortion, and do their best to keep it a secret. >
  
  I agree, the politicians still have no compunctions about abortion, but the religious wackos will literally let their wives and daughters die from complications of pregnancy rather than abort a fetus. >
  
  The report linked in the article. >
  
  The cruelty is the point >
  
  Do not call these people pro life. Don’t let your representatives do it either. It’s not a pro life movement. The Bible condones abortion in the section titles numbers. We need to talk about that every chance we get. These people do not follow the Bible so they are not religious they are a political cult more akin to communism then anything resembling pro democracy. >
  
  Punishing women for being women ban is working as intended. >
  
  The conservative sexists running those states are proud of this statistic. >
  
  It’s important to note that these figures are from before. RvW was overturned. All of the factors that were originally contributing increased maternal and infant morbidity and mortality are still in place, but now there is the added factor of abortion bans making it harder for women with high risk pregnancies or who don’t have the support system to go through pregnancy safely to access a legal abortion. The numbers in this study will only go up going forward. >
  
  I didn’t argue against either of these statements. >
  
  Weird!
  Weird how every fucking thing conservatives do kills people. Great job, ass holes >
  
  Yes, but only POOR mothers, which is not only acceptable but ideal. >
  
  Childbirth has always been a dicey business. It's getting more dangerous in the United States. 
  Anyone who forces birth on others has the blood of dead women on their hands. >
  
  Gotta increase the birth rate!
  Wait what? >
  
  Senator Kevin Cramer says the fetus should be prioritized over mothers life every time with no exceptions. But he also claims to have religious rights that allow discrimination against anyone not following scripture >
  
  This is a surprise to who?
  Abortion has always been a medical procedure and there are consequences to acting like anything can be black and white