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  Prejudice is a human universal and is just a nature part of being human, trying to fight it is as the same as trying to fight greed, it is doomed to fail, or even if it succeeds it will just transform into something even worse.
  Prejudice seems to come from the instinct to pass down ones dna in for a group based animal, you would prefer those with a closer DNA, than someone further, as it is a good strategy of evolution. It is millions of years old, it is older than humanity. The only way forward is to accept it, and design society to work with it in mind. 
  For example india did a great job.
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  If you're talking about conscious prejudice I agree 110%. 
  But analyzing your behavior to try to determine what is in your subconscious seems unhealthy. Personally, as someone who's suffered with OCD and anxiety it seems a bit obsessive to me. Many people with OCD and anxiety, myself included, hyper analyze the behavior of others to "figure out" what they are thinking. 
  It's like going ghost hunting and assuming ghosts are everywhere since I have no way of knowing where they are. 
  Also, if it's subconscious how exactly do I change it? Say I think that maybe I locked my car door because I passed a black man and there's some prejudice towards black people in my subconscious. Do I now say "ok every time I see a black person I'm going to unlock my car door. Is that a healthy behavior/mindset? >
  
  Is introspection really that wild of a concept? I've always just assumed most people do it. >
  
  So, your CMV is "Prejudice is bad, and we should try to not be bad."
  Well, yeah.   Of course.
  I mean, that's a more of a universal truth than a view. >
  
  No it's, we are all prejudice and should be aware of it. >
  
  And you want to be convinced that we aren't all prejudiced, or that we are all aware of it? >
  
  That we are not all subconsciously prejudice due to the way our brain is designed. >
  
  Baby is raised in captivity and never sees another human.
  Whom are they subconsciously prejudiced to, on account of their brain design? >
  
  Ah fuck you, that's clever. The babies brain is still technically wired that way but because it never saw a human it never developed the prejudices I claim all humans must have.
  !delta For being very clever and pointing out a hole in my wording. >
  
  I dont think this deserves a delta. It’s a semantic loophole. I think it’s obvious you are speaking about humans who live in society >
  
  The semantic loophole is my fault, a person should not have to make guesses about what another person is trying to argue. 
  This sub would be a much healthier place for discourse if people learned to read as closely and literally as this guy. >
  
  I guess I'll extend it simply to:
  Everyone who can healthily do this.
  On an off note, the fact that you're worried at all about this means you're doing more than almost the entire population. Most people get deeply offended when I even bring up the fact that we have this natural subconscious bias. >
  
  Should we try to remove positive prejudice as well?  For example, i tend to think positively of people who are in shape.  Is this something that I should try to get rid of? >
  
  No, certainly not. >
  
  But cant you make an argument that by being favorable towards people who are in shape, i might be subconsciously penalizing those that are not? >
  
  Sure, but that's reasonable. People who are in shape are much more responsible people, they worked for that status. >
  
  Wait what? I think you just showed your own unconscious bias that up you should introspect on. Why do you think all in shape people are more responsible than out of shape people? Is being in shape the only way to being responsible? Is it definitive? 
  They could be in shape but still eat crap food and not 
  Work out much outside of their job. Have bad health, etc. have bad finances, be irresponsible with their family, friend, and work obligations, etc. Be a net drain on society. Maybe at best they work out. 
  Whereas an out of shape person could get healthy checkups, have a good job that they work hard at. Be responsible in their family, friend, and work obligations. Have good credit. Be productive for society.
  Which ones more responsible? Why is it okay to have bias towards the in shape person and against the out of shape person? >
  
  I think you miss the nuance between prejudice and first impressions. In many cases a prejudice can also be very helpful >
  
  Most people with productive / active lives don't have time for that. If you have the time and energy go ahead but that also implies that you can probably allocate more resources to being productive. Its not just about what people should do, its an allocation of time / energy / and attention. >
  
  So you think productive people do not have time for introspection?
  I would argue most successful people are probably a lot more introspective than unsuccessful ones, and that the opposite is true. >
  
  Introspection is as vast a category as external observation. This is one of billions of things to introspect about. Yes a productive person does not have time for it, even if they are active at introspection. >
  
  Nah, that's just a ridiculous claim. The idea that people who are already introspective about their behavior can't think of something else to look out for is just silly and we both know it. >
  
  It is not a ridiculous claim, it is not silly, and we do not both know it. >
  
  Introspection already involves asking what made us behave a certain way, adding in one more possibility out of thousands and thousands of already existing ones will cost no time.
  It is an incredibly silly claim, cartoonish almost. >
  
  Are you an extrovert? It seems like you have a simplified perspective of introspection, one common to those who do not spend much time in the inner world. I would recommend reading Jung to grasp 'introspection' in a higher resolution. >
  
  Ad hominem, and no I'm rather extroverted. >
  
  
  no I'm rather extroverted
  
  Yes extroverts have trouble introspecting thus they have simplified views of the inner world.
  
  Ad hominem
  
  The claim I am making has to do with you, it would be an Ad hominem if the context did not involve yourself yet I discounted it on that basis. >
  
  What do you propose to actively fight this bias? >
  
  Like I said, look out for them and try to correct them and not behave in that way. >
  
  But they are subconscious so how do you know when you are acting that way? >
  
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  You...
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  Look for them... >
  
  Where? In my wallet? >
  
  in your behavior... >
  
  This is my issue with this. How do you know? If there was no thought, there's really no way of knowing why I did something. Maybe it's because of prejudice maybe not. It's basically ghost hunting. All I can do is assume there are ghosts everywhere, which seems like a very unhealthy mindset. 
  If I do something because of conscious prejudice I agree 100% I should work on that. But by definition I have no idea what goes on in my subconscious. It's a ghost. 
  Personally I've suffered from OCD and anxiety for many years. To be honest, dissecting my behavior to try to determine if there's darkness in my subconscious sounds a bit obsessive to me. It's like trying to guess what thoughts another person is having (and interestingly enough many people with OCD and anxiety, myself included, analyze behavior in an attempt to figure out what the other person is thinking.) >
  
  I am not proposing some obsessives and constant deep dive into your subconscious.
  I'm just proposing basic introspection, most healthy people already think about their own behavior, why they do stuff, what other people take it as, etc... 
  I don't think it's a stretch to acknowledge and be aware of other stuff to look out for. >
  
  Most healthy people already practice basic introspection as you're saying. Sure, basic introspection is good. But analyzing your behavior to see if there's darkness in your subconscious seems unhealthy to me. 
  If your view is that basic introspection is good I certainly don't disagree and I don't know anybody who would. Is your view just that people already practice basic introspection and that's good? >
  
  
  But analyzing your behavior to see if there's darkness in your subconscious seems unhealthy to me.
  
  Trying to identify if you are being a decent person is unhealthy?
  That is basic introspection is it not?
  "Am I a good person/is this behavior okay/is it okay that I do this" is just normal introspection. >
  
  Is this just about progressive diversity? Ya know, lgbt and black people, or are you watching your behavior in other aspects - ex-convicts, homeless, so called bigots, etc >
  
  I'm not sure I understand your question, I am talking about the "in-group" and "out-group" phenomenon. >
  
  Basic introspection is only going to get you so far. A lot of people can have subconscious prejudices that they don’t even realize exist and basic introspection really isn’t going to fix it. >
  
  Basic introspection will get you pretty far, we already analyze why we do stuff. It's just another possibility to add when considering that. >
  
  If you don’t know that you’re prejudiced though how is basic introspection gonna help you ? There’s a lot of people who aren’t able to realize that they are racist and bigoted toward others. Is basic introspection gonna help them overcome their prejudices ? I personally don’t believe it will. >
  
  
  If you don’t know that you’re prejudiced though how is basic introspection gonna help you
  
  You'll learn through introspection.
  
  There’s a lot of people who aren’t able to realize that they are racist and bigoted toward others. Is basic introspection gonna help them overcome their prejudices ? I personally don’t believe it will.
  
  Yes, introspection would cure most of the worlds issues.
  I'm exaggerating, but it would significantly improve some issues. >
  
  You’re missing my point. If you don’t realize that you’re racist introspection isn’t going to help. Most people don’t analyze their behavior in the first place unless they realize they have that behavior. The only way they could potentially learn that they’re prejudiced is if someone tells them that they are and even then they have to take that persons claim seriously. There’s a lot of people who don’t. Personally I don’t think we’re ever going to be able overcome the effects of prejudice unless we reform our institutions so that they don’t discriminate against minorities while also promoting diversity and multiculturalism. Prejudice will always exist as long as humans exist. It’s a sad fact but there’s nothing that will stop humans from acting certain ways. >
  
  
  If you don’t realize that you’re racist introspection isn’t going to help
  
  So, how is the thing that helps you understand yourself and what you think not going to help you understand yourself and how you think?
  
  The only way they could potentially learn that they’re prejudiced is if someone tells them that they are and even then they have to take that persons claim seriously.
  
  It takes internal acknowledgement(introspection), even if that's triggered by external factors(such as this post, thus is the goal of this post). 
  
  Prejudice will always exist as long as humans exist. It’s a sad fact but there’s nothing that will stop humans from acting certain ways.
  
  I agree, but we still have a duty to do what we can. >
  
  Introspection isn’t going to identify every single thing about you. For instance, I know and acknowledge that I have a tendency to have an anger problem but I really don’t know where it comes from. I’ve tried taking some advice from my therapist to try and address it but nothing works because I still don’t know where that anger comes from. The same thing can apply to prejudice. Someone can be told they’re racist and maybe start to realize they are themselves internally but if they aren’t able to identify where it comes from they won’t be able to do anything about it. As for it being a duty to try and acknowledge our prejudices and prevent them I agree in theory but people actually doing that is easier said than done unfortunately. >
  
  Yeah, I don't think we'll ever be perfect. But we should still try to improve ourselves and figure these things out regardless, that's part of being a good human. 
  I think that outside input is very helpful, but ultimately it takes someone being self aware enough to accept that they can be and are wrong to have their mind changed. >
  
  I went to a doctor appointment recently, and I believe a bit of Prejudice was directed towards me because of deafness and severe hearing impairment as a patient.  With the usage of face mask, it is extremely hard to understand doctors and other medical staff.  The doctor I saw had an accent, and with the face mask, I had a hard time hearing most of the questions.  Explain my deafness and severe hearing impairment, and walks out of room, and another person comes in room to tell me to get a hearing aid and reschedule to come back.  I do have a hearing aid in my right ear but doesn't make better for me to hear people.  I felt very insulted.  So person leaves and comes back with doctor to finish visit.  I feel many people don't care to understand about deafness and hearing impairment.  They think a hearing aid or cochlear implant suddenly gives you full hearing, it does not.  I'm a lip reader so face mask makes it worse.  Those clear face masks fog up from breathing.  No easy solution either way. >
  
  Yeah, strongly disagree here. The sort of prejudice you're talking about is hard-wired in over generations of evolution. Instead of wasting time fighting it (and getting caught in the internal doom-spiral it would cause) that time is much more effectively spent learning to acknowledge unconscious bias - at least that way when the instinctive prejudice kicks in you can recognise it and realise it's not a useful instinct and actually reason out your response/reaction to whatever the situation is using knowledge or lived experience instead. >
  
  Being prejudice is a survival mechanism...we all distrusted what's new...it's in our very nature.
  It also helps us to adapt and learn so by suppressing that instinct potentially you would allow yourself to be injured or killed. >
  
  What is wrong with prejudice? Not a rhetorical question, I want to know why you think prejudice is inherently bad. >
  
  On a practical level, it's irrational.
  On a moral level, most moral systems find it to be bad. >
  
  Attempting to actively fight this will result in other (conscious or unconscious) prejudices and thus fail in that sense. It’s human nature really.