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  Notice it was the DOJ searching, not some two bit lawyers
context: Doesn't he have a fireplace? >
  
  And a gas stove too! >
  
  And toilets!? >
  
  Maybe a dog too? >
  
  How about "found" the documents. I don't think it's exactly like they struggled to get away. >
  
  Seriously,  nothing was "seized" as they weren't there without permission. Biden is fully cooperating with DOJ and the national archives. >
  
  The documents were there without permission.
  "Seized" is used the same way you'd use "seized" for any other contraband. >
  
  The agency was there with permission,  I wasn't referring to the documents. >
  
  The title is referring to documents which were there illegally and can be seized.
  The same way you can seize a stolen car. This isn't hard to understand. >
  
  Just declassify them in your head Joe. Worked for the other guy. >
  
  It works even better for him, because he is actively president, unlike the other guy retroactively declassifying things >
  
  I haven't seen anything on what might be in these documents, but if my memory is correct, the other guy had nuclear secrets in his stash. >
  
  Ah yes. My teacher SEIZED my homework when I turned it in. >
  
  I kinda feel this is nonequivalent to the article.  Biden didn't turn these documents (dated back to the Senate days) in, all he did was cooperate and allowed the search.  The FBI found  and seized the latest documents.
  Better example: My teacher SEIZED my homework from my bag when I never turned it in. >
  
  You know its not looking good when you're playing semantics >
  
  You also know it's not looking good when you have to use false equivalence in attempt to downplay Biden's fuckup. >
  
  Indeed >
  
  Much ado about nothing. >
  
  It's almost as if there is an effort to get this news out repeatedly. >
  
  I know this isn't the same thing and the Trump con, but this doesn't look good whatsoever. >
  
  It's nowhere near as bad. If they're from his time as vice president, the National Archives obviously didn't know they were even missing and he wasn't trying to prevent their return. Trump basically ignored the NA informing him they were missing documents and asked form then to be returned and Trump basically refused to cooperate to the point his home was raided. Biden has been fully cooperating and he/his staff had previously found documents and returned them on their own. >
  
  And why didn't the N A know they were missing? Seems like the entire process of handling classified documents needs to be overhauled. >
  
  Likely human error as, from reports that I've read, it's a small number of rocuments like less than 30 from many different larger files. Trump had numerous files and hundreds of thousands of documents. >
  
  Very strict protocols around the handling of these documents.
  Criminal investigation needs to be started. >
  
  It's going to be low level staffers. The principles don't deal with things like storage. >
  
  I really don’t think so. The person with the clearance is responsible. >
  
  The low level staffers have TS SCI to begin handling them in the first place as part of their jobs. There is a willfulness element that has to be satisfied. No evidence of willfulness. It seems like accidental retention. You would have to prove that the documents were retained willfully after being told "yes they're classified, return them" and then not doing so. >
  
  
  The President is ultimately responsible for that.
  
  Eh, no. If my boss asks me to return a report to the appropriate secure container and then signs off on the transfer of custody, the responsibility of the handling of that document becomes mine. If I accidentally leave it in the break room and it gets found, I'm the one whose ass is in the sling, not my boss' ass.
  The real question is whether or not custody was properly tracked in cases like this. >
  
  They where found in his home. >
  
  Don’t worry, there’s no there there. Biden said so. 
  And if you cooperate with the authorities, after breaking the law the crime instantly disappears. Reddit said so. >
  
  You need to prove intent to make it a crime.
  If Biden or Trump had simply forgotten/misplaced the documents then they haven't commit a crime.
  Trump has personally admitted that he took some documents as a souvenir. Which makes any prosecutors job a hell of a lot easier. >
  
  Try that argument next time you’re pulled over.
  I simply forgot I wasn’t supposed to go over the speed limit. >
  
  And I oops >
  
  Say it ain’t so, Joe! >
  
  It's at times like these where I can only shake my head and wonder where this nation is headed. How is it possible that BOTH candidates for the 2020 election both performed the same act? 
  Yes, I realize that this isn't entirely equivalent, but this doesn't inspire confidence on my end in our government, and it was already low to begin with after Trump's election in 2016. How can any citizen have confidence under these circumstances? >
  
  
  How is it possible that BOTH candidates for the 2020 election both performed the same act?
  
  It's not the same act. It's a fact of life that classified documents occasionally inadvertently end up in the wrong place. That's why there's a process for dealing with this when it happens.
  What should happen is, somebody finds the thing that was misfiled, lets the appropriate organization know, doesn't read the classified documents, gets that org to check for any more in the same place, and the org takes them back to be properly stored. Obviously, any risks from those documents being seen by people without clearance need to be investigated too.
  The reason Turnip took - and is taking - so much shit for something that is superficially similar is that his taking of documents wasn't inadvertent, he lied about having them, he refused to return them on multiple occasions, he returned a few of them and lied about returning them all, the FBI had to raid his property to get them back and then he sued to try to steal them back, and made many ludicrous claims along the way about them being planted, him declassifying them, and so on.
  The comparisons are completely superficial. The only people trying to pretend otherwise are his base, who think this is terrible while also trying to pretend what Trump did was absolutely fine. >
  
  
  The reason Turnip took
  
  Unrelated point, but if that wasn't autocorrect intervening there, that's hilarious. I'll need to add that nickname for Trump to my repertoire. >
  
  It was not autocorrect, it seems a natural nickname. Although a turnip might be smarter and more useful than Trump ... >
  
  I'm guessing this happens more often than we know. And I'm arguing these were likely accidents. Things get misplaced all the time. Especially small items. It wouldn't surprise me if after all this is said and done, searches of Obama's, Bush's and possibly Clinton's properties might be next. At least in hopes of showing that this isn't some isolated incident between two recent US Presidents. And not just Democrat presidents either (hence Bush).
  Also: I am not for one damn instant suggesting TRUMP did any of this by accident. The guy had 300+ classified documents from just four years in office. Biden's stem from his 8 years as VP as well as his years in the senate and so far the numbers are unlikely to be that high (so far). It's more believable to have that many misplaced documents over that many years versus 4 years as POTUS at 300+ documents. Plus Trump had ignored requests for the return of the documents, lied about them, impeded searching, lied some more when his team didn't return all of the documents and then had the audacity to demand the documents he shouldn't have had be returned to him. >
  
  But but but but but…Trump? I murdered one guy and he murdered two so I’m not the bad guy. >
  
  Biden should just pardon himself and move on.  Just because the last guy was too stupid to do so shouldn’t stop Biden. >
  
  I expect 1000 more drips like this.  I’ll reserve my judgement for after the DOJ investigation >
  
  Given how early this is, it feels like some wing of the Democrats is behind this. Whoever runs against him in the 2024 primaries is almost certainly involved. >
  
  Too much tinfoil. >
  
  Hell there are no reports some of the documents are seriously just daily briefings like you get every where and don’t even “contain” anything sensitive. >
  
  People need to let the investigations play out. A lot will depend on exactly what type(s) of classified documents were retained by Trump and Biden. If either of them was holding documents that would have evidenced their own wrongdoing or would have caused them political embarrassment, this could be a career ending event. >
  
  Good. Now let's search all of Trump's properties >
  
  He is old forget were he put thing at?? >
  
  It has to be getting harder to defend good old Biden when more and more documents are found. Cooperating doesn't make it any less criminal to have in possession, especially in personal homes. Trump just made matters worse for himself by being himself and lying, among other things. One has to wonder how many former presidents and VPs kept stuff they should not have in the past. >
  
  Not once, not twice but thrice >
  
  They can’t find documents in your dreams Sleepy Joe. >
  
  But can he declassify them with his mind? >
  
  Man built an entire library out there. I wonder how many documents he has already sold. Corrupt crook. It's time for impeachment. >
  
  Trump had an order of magnitude more documents that he was fully aware he was in possession of, Biden and the national archives didn't even know the documents were missing, let alone in Joe's possession, unlike Trump >
  
  Okay imprison that moron then? I don't have a problem with that either. Also, Biden claims to have no knowledge, never trust a politician. >
  
  Trump's the only one of the two that's likely to be charged. If the National Archives doesn't know the documents are missing, they can't tell Biden they're missing, if they don't tell him they're missing documents he/his team can't search for them to recover them. >
  
  guess wray was #teamtrump all along, vp announcement soon, patriots will recover take america back!! /s
  This is just to tide republicans over for the imminent trump jail saga so house republicans won't be able to meaningfully claim he worked for biden or didn't help house republicans, who have already screwed up the response to this anyway with Q-anonymous 4chan garbage instead of investigating obama (which would also be useless, but is the sort of spectacle they want to create).