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  That's crazy, all the news of incompetency of the Russian army and how they are losing bad but casualty isn't that much different compare to Ukraine.
context: Sadly that seems like a very conservative estimate for Ukrainian civilians. >
  
  Yeah there is likely more. Would also like to see the Ukrainian deaths compared to the Russian deaths and not deaths vs deaths and injured. >
  
  Casualties are both deaths and injuries, so the title is comparing apples to apples. >
  
  
  30,000 dead civilians
  
  This refers to dead and does not count the wounded. >
  
  Man I really didn't think Ukraine would be so close behind the Russians. Sad numbers but still have hope >
  
  It's kind of crazy that Putin, beloved by white supremacists, has been responsible for more deaths of white people than anyone since Hitler. >
  
  Eh, to them its the "right whites".
  Racism is always willing to make another 'out' group. >
  
  200k Russians dead wouldn't be the right whites for them. >
  
  The other guy was referencing how the majority of mobiks so far were drawn from ethnic minorities in Russia. >
  
  Don't forget the convicts and other "undesirables". >
  
  How many ukrainians abducted? >
  
  That is the real question.
  Abducted or worse, mass graves yet to be discovered. >
  
  The fact they discover so many mass graves already in Ukraine just by looking at freshly tossed soil says the real number is probably mindblowing. >
  
  Awhile back someone posted a link to some website (like liveleak or something) showing Russian soldiers rapeing or torturing Ukrainian soldiers. 
  It’s absolutely disgusting and pure evil what they are doing. I learned that the Russian army has a huge problem with rape and torture on their own soldiers and is even encouraged by the higher ups. 
  Edit: fixed to make a bit more sense. Sorry haven’t had much sleep >
  
  The massacre of Bucha was carried out only days after the start of the war and one of the units involved was issued a commendation to Guards status for there role in it, so encouraged is a bit of an understatement. >
  
  I know about the war crimes Russia is committing. I was more talking about the way the Russian soldiers beat and rape new recruits. I knew the Russian army has problems with abuse but I didn’t realise how bad it actually is. >
  
  Oh yeah, sorry I misread your last sentence. Widespread corruption, and the "dynamic" between contract, conscripts and now mobik where they beat/rape/extort anything beneath them is disgusting. >
  
  the wounded to killed ratio is also higher on the ukranian side due to better first aid kits and medevac and not getting left behind by your fellow mercenaries >
  
  This by a long shot.
  Ukraine is probably closer to a 3-1 ratio and russia might be 2-1 if they are lucky.
  Part of it is the weapons and tactics used as well. >
  
  It's even worse. Russia is likely at 1.2-1 and Ukraine is likely at 5-1. Russia doesn't have supplies for first aid and tells their soldiers not to help anyone until fully being done with the attack/defense. >
  
  It is painful to see so many soldiers and civilians killed because of Mad Vlad Putin's desire to resurrect bygone Soviet era expansionism.  
  Putin need to be brought to justice for causing so many sufferings and destructions to Ukraine. >
  
  It needs to go beyond him, he may not have long to live. >
  
  🤞 >
  
  This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)
  
  
  Oslo - Russia has suffered 180,000 killed or wounded in Ukraine so far, while the figure for the Ukrainians is 100,000 military casualties and 30,000 dead civilians, according to estimates released Sunday by Norway's army chief.
  "Ukrainian losses are probably over 100,000 dead or wounded. In addition Ukraine has about 30,000 civilians who died in this terrible war," said the Norwegian general.
  In November, US army joint chiefs of staff chairman Mark Milley said the Russian army had suffered more than 100,000 dead or wounded, with a "Probably" similar toll on the Ukrainian side.
  
  
  Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Ukraine^#1 Russian^#2 wounded^#3 Ukrainian^#4 losses^#5 >
  
  That's over 3x the US loses in Vietnam. 
  The population of Russia was 143 million in 2021 the population of the US was 216 million by the end of the Vietnam War. So, this is even a more significant loss to Russia. >
  
  Yeah.  And peak Vietnam war pain for the US was about 7 years.  This hasn't even been 1. >
  
  Yeah. They are throwing a lot of men into a meat grinder when they are poorly equipped, poorly trained, and lack motivation. >
  
  this war becomes whoever have number of solider wins. Russia keeps throwing low quality soldiers hoping they can kill as many before they die. Ukraine is doing good than russia but holy 100k estimate that's a lot.
  what a sad reality >
  
  Suffice to say they need more force multipliers. >
  
  What's that sound coming over the horizon? Is it a battalion of british challenger and US bradley mechanized kill groups? >
  
  Remember when the United States illegally invaded Iraq under false pretenses?  Imagine how the public would have responded if we had 180,000 casualties, with (100,000 of those being deaths) within the first 11 months of the war.  Imagine if 7 months in, Bush would have instituted a draft and the borders were closed so that military aged American men could not leave.  Imagine if there were scenes of the Iraqi Army repeatedly kicking our ass.
  I honestly believe that people would have burned down the White House for doing that. >
  
  how many are left >
  
  Crazy to think how many dead civilians in Russia occupied areas >
  
  Too many Ukrainians. Send them the tanks. >
  
  The US Marines just transitioned away from tanks a couple years ago, meaning a significant number of M1A1 Abrams were recently retired but are still in good condition.  The Abrams is a bit difficult on logistics, but I still think it would help Ukraine and we don't have anything else to do with those tanks. >
  
  In the past, most countries would count wounded as casualties of war because they would no longer be fighting the war.  The Russians have shown that they will send back soldiers who can barely walk and still have shrapnel in their bodies back to the front lines. >
  
  So terrible for Ukrainians >
  
  Jesus I haven’t been paying enough attention, those numbers are up significantly since I last heard. >
  
  That's alarming numbers. Russia can sustain this as it is not bothered with high casualty numbers and never has. Russians accept shockingly high numbers of dead and we know this number is not being published in Russia or on their state media, it's strictly controlled and distorted. For Ukraine this will be devastating and public pressure on democratically elected governments will weigh very heavily on Zelensky. >
  
  
  Russia can sustain this as it is not bothered with high casualty numbers and never has.
  
  So they keep saying, but this'll ruin their army, no matter how little they care for their soldier's lives.  Callousness isn't a superpower. >
  
  120k dead and 180k casualties? You people told me that total casualties should be at least twice as many as dead, possibly three or four times as many.
  Fuck it. Ukraine will win. And Russia certainly will not, whatever happens. The damage it has sustained already is enough to haunt it for a century. >
  
  180k is much more sustainable for Russia than 100k is for Ukraine, sadly. >
  
  Hopefully those numbers will diverge at a higher rate as AFU gains training/experience/equipment and Russia becomes increasingly reliant on mobilized soldiers and suffers more equipment shortages. >
  
  Most of the 100,000 to 130,000 Russian dead and wounded figures we have been seeing thrown around for weeks is for the first 9 to 10 months of the war. There has supposedly been harsh losses for Russia taking very small bits of ground in the past 2 weeks.
  I would expect the totals will be closer to 150,000 dead and 150,000 wounded or mia by the end of February. Hell, Russia is executing retreating and captured awol Wagner prisoners from some reports, good luck trying to verify the totals on those. >
  
  Yes theres no way they would need to force 300k -million people to war if there was barely any casualties lol >
  
  So when Von der Leyen mentions Ukrainian losses people lose their shit, but it's ok for Norwegian general to say it? 😒 >
  
  Von der Leyen has a long track record of just making stuff up. There is a reason every German party campaigned against her nomination. >
  
  That's all? For both sides? I thought Russia's was waaay higher. Damn that sucks. >
  
  I think these are beyond all reasonable doubt numbers. There could be a lot more, in the end a bullet is cheaper than a life >
  
  Damn. Didn't Ukraine start the war with about 200k soldiers? How many do they have left to fight, roughly? >
  
  Estimates are 600K to 900K at the moment, Ukraine has undergone a full mobilisation so that's kinda expected. >
  
  If those numbers are accurate, then that's a relief. I was definitely expecting lower casualties for the Ukranian military though. Might be a long war, unfortunately.