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  Wow that 5 yr old kid sure knows how much to sue
context: What are they supposed to do when someone is constantly moving around like that and trying to run away? I’m not condoning what happened. I just want to know what were they supposed to do protocol-wise? Or what shouldve be done in a situation like that to avoid him dying? >
  
  He was moving but the taser also clearly has a function to beep when being used too long and the office continues using it while beeping for 3 seconds, stops 1 second for it to stop beeping and then uses the taser past the beeping again immediately.  He isn't allowing any time for the heart to return to normal in between uses. The guy is on the ground, the taser was used to make it easier for the three officers to handcuff him, not because any of them were in danger >
  
  But he wasn’t in cardiac arrest after the taser use for some time. 
  There’s also a whole lung between where he was tased and his heart. 
  I’m not sure this was because of the taser. >
  
  What? So they put a tremendous amount of stress on his heart and a few hours later his heart finally gave out. Like that’s how it normally goes >
  
  Who said the taser caused the stress? You don’t think it could have been all the fighting with officers that did that? >
  
  Really? This is the angle you’re going for now? Come on. >
  
  Or maybe all those drugs coursing through his veins. >
  
  He was brought to the hospital immediately after being tazed 6 times in 30 seconds. But you’re saying they aren’t related? >
  
  What about “he was brought to the hospital after a 6 minute fight with officers whilst high as fuck on a speedball”…? Have you even watched the video… the guy is off his nut. 
  Also what’s the time limit where we say it’s not the tasers fault? A day? An hour? A week? 
  If a taser caused the cardiac arrest, the loss of consciousness would have been almost instant - it would have caused fibrillation, which would have you out cold in seconds. 
  It’s fucking nonsense, but because he’s the brother of the cousin of the aunties daughters boyfriend…. who also founded BLM, it’s “ooooo the police killed him oooooo riot time”. 
  How about next time don’t fight with officers lawfully detaining you? Then you might not fucking die. Hows that. >
  
  This title is silly - the family on behalf, the guardian, whatever adult in the room overseeing his care is “seeking it”. That’s a child and that child would not be seeking $50M.
  Regardless of it being done on his behalf, the title is silly. >
  
  "If you Taser someone with 50,000 watts of electrical energy six times”
  50kW? Where on earth they’re pulling these numbers from? That’s the equivalent to 50 microwaves. >
  
  asking lay people to know the difference between volts and watts is a losing battle >
  
  Pikachu can zap with 50000 volts. It can kill an elephant! >
  
  Yeah, presumably Pikachu uses more than the couple of milliamps a taser does >
  
  This comment section will quickly turn into those who watched the video and those who didn't >
  
  Absolutely. Not to mention the general anti-police opinion on reddit. Watching the entire police released video is quite a bit different than whats painted in this article. >
  
  Did you watch it then?
  what do you say about police intentionally ignoring and disabling the “WARNING” beep from the taser?
  You know, the warning beep that is there to warn you if you use the taser for too long. Because using it for too long can cause heart damage and cardiac arrest.
  maybe you know the policy on taser use?
  
  According to LAPD policy, the duration of a Taser activation on a suspect is five seconds.
  
  or 
  
  the Police Executive Research Forum state that exposure longer than 15 seconds (whether continuous or cumulative) may increase the risk of serious injury or death and should be avoided
  
  Huh. I guess you didn’t watch it. Calling out police misconduct makes you “anti-cop”!! >
  
  Taser warning alarms aren't necessarily based on medical evidence. The patient didn't die from arrythmia caused by the taser, so this is irrelevant. They died likely from arrythmia caused by overwhelming physical stress, mostly 2/2 cocaine use, probably taser contributing, and certainly struggling with the police for a prolonged period was equally damaging. >
  
  
  The patient didn't die from arrythmia caused by the taser, so this is irrelevant.
  
  but then
  
  probably taser contributing
  
  So which is it? >
  
  The taser didn't put him into an arrhythmia. Most of the cases of taser related death occur due to acute arrhythmia (IE, happens immediately) in a susceptible individual. There was no acute arrhythmia. He likely died from cardiac arrhythmia 4 hours later after the heart was massively stressed from drugs as well as the entire episode on video, with his fighting being a more prominent contributor than the taser. Yeah, the taser stresses the heart, but so does fighting 5 officers for like 10 minutes. >
  
  that's one smart five year old son >
  
  His decision to do an ungodly amount of cocaine or crack to the point of stimulant psychosis, commit felonies with his vehicle, play in traffic, try to carjack people, bother the public, evade and resist arrest is why he is dead. The stun gun didn't help, but what're the alternatives? Forced injections of sedatives? Having 6 cops lay on him? The alternatives aren't great either. >
  
  BJJ training is the answer. Such a fun rabbit hole on youtube to watch a trained BJJ athlete save cops who have no grapple/physical restraint training. Handcuffs plus an officer restraining the legs with any BJJ training is near impossible to escape >
  
  We have a word for such deaths: Electrocution. But then, "Son sues L.A. police for father's death by electrocution" doesn't sound as friendly and playful. >
  
  he died 4 hours after this happened and had coke in his system. His son should sue his dealer for his dad going crazy. >
  
  It's pretty obvious from his behavior in the body cam footage that he was high and/or having a mental health episode. If not for The War on Drugs, the police might have actually helped the guy ~~by administering Narcan to bring him back to rationality. Instead, they wanted a positive drug test so they could charge him.~~ He was panicking and in fear of his life, then assaulted and restrained by police. The fight-or-flight adrenaline kept him going for a few hours until the drugs wore off and the cumulative cardiac damage (very much including from electrocution) killed him. >
  
  That’s not how Narcan works, he was apparently on cocaine anyways. >
  
  This article is extremely biased lmao >
  
  You’re making too much sense. A lot of people in this thread believe that if a cop so much as touches you and you die a week later from a car accident it was the cop’s fault.
  Like I was saying earlier to somebody else, people will justify any criminal’s actions nowadays because they hate the cops more. It’s unbelievable. >
  
  Because criminals don’t pretend to “protect and serve” the community they prey upon. >
  
  I can’t believe people genuinely think this. People need to go outside and meet a cop. Idk bout the places y’all live but the cops here are super fucking nice in Iowa >
  
  I know more than enough cops, most of them aren’t good people. Do they have good qualities? Sure. But they’re jaded, spiteful and down right cynical. 
  Cops in Iowa of all places? Racist. >
  
  y’all are chronically online. I only know one cop that’s shady, and none that are noticeably racist out of three agencies. 
  On the other hand, I was also taught about the CJ system in class, by a highly accredited professor. He states that often times cops feel disconnected from the public for multiple reasons, but majority are due to (1) public animosity (2) they deal with the worst of the public, so they have a overall negative view at times. 
  Y’all smooth brains hate cops and make their job so difficult, and then when they retaliate y’all are surprised
  Y’all are literally 75% of the reason their is a deep issue between the public and cops >
  
  “When they retaliate”
  So what?  Their feelings get hurt so that gives them license to abuse the public?
  My dude, THEY WERE FUCKING HIRED TO DEAL
  WITH THE WORST OF THE PUBLIC.  If they can’t do that in a professional manner then they should find a new fucking job.  No one is holding a gun to cops heads and forcing them to be police officers. >
  
  Uh, he died at the hospital. Not in the street while or immediately after being tased. Based on the video that guy appears to be under the influence of some pretty strong street drugs. My guess would be PCP, Crack/Cocaine. >
  
  Your guess vs. police policy to not tase someone from longer for 15 seconds due to increasing likelihood of cardiac arrest.
  Your guess vs. cocaine having a half-life of one hour and ODs generally happening within the first 3 hours in general, not longer than 4 hours after contact with the police. Was he shoving it down his throat while in custody? >
  
  I’m sorry, but you are just wrong. Cocaine itself may have a half life of approximately 1 hour, but vasoactive cocaine metabolites can last in the bloodstream for over a day. He can easily suffer an ACS or fatal arrhythmia four hours after ingesting a large quantity of cocaine. And that’s just cocaine. Who knows what other illicit substances this guy was on. You can feel free to dispute this but it’s your GED vs my MD 🤷‍♀️ >
  
  He died 4 hours after he got tazed. His death had nothing to do with the tazer. >
  
  I'm sure it had something to do with it. >
  
  It's likely the shitload of drugs he ingested ALSO had something to do with it. >
  
  I like how reddit is presuming that he took a shitload of drugs, despite that there's no official measurement of how much cocaine was in his system that was released.  Meanwhile when the taser is literally beeping in the video telling the officers that it's been used too much, we still apparently can't know if it was used too much.
  You guys are just tired of having to believe that something is wrong with a police force which hasn't wronged you.  Those of us who have been wronged don't get that luxury. >
  
  Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video. 
  He was out of his goddamned mind on drugs.  
  Unless he was going through a psychotic episode,  but there was no mention of any previous mental health history. >
  
  First time hearing of this, I 100% expected some aggressive police officer being at fault here. But the police officer who first encountered this guy was super patient, cooperative, helpful and respectful to this guy. He got so many chances to keep things civil but that didn't happen because the guy was on drugs and extremely paranoid! I would be too if I was fearful for my life. But if I came across a cop I'd want to be taken into custody to hide from the guys trying to kill me! Really a shame this happened but there were a variety of choices made by an individual that brought him to this. The fact that he died hours later also means it's likely nothing got to do with the tazer and this is not a case of police brutality. >
  
  It’s pretty standard to seek the maximum possible amount initially. No one will be getting fifty million here, I’d be surprised if they prevail at all, but the state may settle. >
  
  Minneapolis was quick to try and settle with Floyd's family before the criminal trial even began. I'm sure LA will do exactly the same to try and appease rioters and looters looking to take advantage of the situation. >
  
  I wonder if they did that because they saw the writing on the wall for the criminal trial.
  To my understanding you can lose a criminal trial but still win a civil trial, however a conviction in the criminal trial would bolster the amount you ask for in the civil trial, and your likelihood of receiving it. >
  
  They ain’t going to get anything , which is great cause the tax payers shouldn’t pay for this guys bullshit behavior. >
  
  Like the kid really knows what 50 million means!🤦‍♀️ >
  
  Fifty million dollars?? Who you think you kidnapped, Chelsey Clinton?? >
  
  Is it Kelsey or Chelsea ? >
  
  Chelsea Carter?? >
  
  "If you Taser someone with 50,000 watts of electrical energy six times ... is there really any wonder that moments later his heart will begin to flutter?" 
  I have a counter question: if you fill someone with oodles of cocaine, is there really any wonder that moments later his heart will begin to flutter? Also of note it wasn’t moments. It was 4.5 hours. >
  
  Stop the agenda here, the video is plain as day… this guy died from ignorance and doesn’t deserve one dime from my tax payer money! >
  
  Bro really brought up tax payer money like that’s what matters in this situation 🤦🏻‍♂️ >
  
  They did nothing wrong. >
  
  Of course.
  
  high/intoxicated and crash vehicle (could have killed someone but let's just ignore that)
  wants to go back into his car (supposedly not his as the one he drove crashed) and drive off home while still intoxicated (but let's just ignore that)
  attempt to run into traffic and almost causes an accident (but let's just ignore that)
  police restrain him with taser as he keeps resisting arrest at this point (somehow a bad thing)
  has hospital care but dies due to lethal overdose (damn, those cops must've supplied him the good stuff)
  
  Are people that upset that he didn't manage to run anyone over? Please.
  The man was a threat several times. You don't let someone like that go, but it is a shame he overdosed and died in hospital and wasn't held responsible for his actions. >
  
  Why do some people insist running away from the cops? They’ll get you eventually stop making it harder. We live in a dystopian state not the Wild West >
  
  People deserve a day in court regardless of what they did. Police can’t be judge jury and executioners. >
  
  Yeah no shit I never said they should be allowed to murder. Not attempting to flee is normally a good way of not getting axed off by cops. >
  
  Some police shoot to kill based on skin color. So it wouldn't matter if he ran or not  Tasing usually doesn't lead to death. >
  
  Yeah and you know what makes those chances even higher? Running. Wtf are you trying to say to me. >
  
  Yeah and when they kill you in the police car or van? What’s your defense then? >
  
  You’re really dumb dude. I made a statement. You’re fighting air and pulling an argument out of no where. >
  
  You’re right only criminals die so what should I care? Sarcasm >
  
  Seek counselling >
  
  I’m fine thanks. >
  
  didn’t he die from the drugs in his system? The
  cops did everything they could and (surprisingly) tried to de-escalate >
  
  
  The cops did everything they could and (surprisingly) tried to de-escalate
  
  I didn't realize de-escalation meant tasing someone for such a long time that the taser itsself starts telling you to fuck off. >
  
  Here's the thing, your police force has problems, there's a lot of wrongful harm done to people from the police and you hate them for that, I get it. 
  But how do you expect things to improve if you're looking at situations like these and still critisizing them? What should they have done? The man is clearly very very high on something, potentially dangerous, looking to carjack, sure they can sit in the middle of the road and wrestle, but what happens when he gets a hand free, punches a cop, manages to scramble out and jumps in to a car and drags a woman out to steal it and then causes an accident because he's too high to be driving? 
  You'd be surprised at how hard it is to restrain a strong person who doesn't want to be restrained. >
  
  Greedy family and their hearse-chasing lawyers.
  Why admit your lived one is dead because he is a cokehead, when you can pressure Karen Bass and her merry band of idiots on the city council into giving you millions? >
  
  How did I know Crump was the attorney on this case before I even read the article. >
  
  If the tazer would have killed him it would have done so at the scene not hours later. Dude was either having a manic episode or was on some drugs that got out of control. The officer was really nice and tried to calm him down. Then the dude freaks out and tries to run away because he'd just caused a hit and run minutes earlier. Then oddly denies killing someone named C Lol as they are cuffing him. Terrible incident but not the fault of the police. If you don't want to be hurt by law enforcement don't fight them. Don't pull guns or knives on them. Don't run and try to claim innocence. I've had a few of my own officer encounters even one where I was suspected of robbing a house because I was walking through the neighborhood that it just happened in. I followed instructions, was civil, and answered all questions without attitude. It's the time to be smart and not let your ego get in way. I'm sorry that kid lost his father but I'm not paying for it. >
  
  He should’ve listened to the cops not that hard >
  
  Stun guns are less lethal not non lethal. Everyone plz remember! >
  
  I'm willing to bet he got launched into a psychotic state from the drugs in his system.  Psychotic state gave way to excited delirium, and that in itself is super dangerous because it essentially becomes a medical emergency.
  Are drive stuns great optically? No, they're not great, but that's not what killed him.  The goal is to get the subject subdued and cuffed so he can be rolled into recovery or a seated position to prevent postural asphyxia.  The next step is getting EMS there to medicate the subject and get him to a hospital for medical attention to treat said excited delirium.  Not getting adequate medical care quick enough following excited delirium is usually a death sentence in itself, and sometimes death still isn't preventable.
  I've seen cops/EMS bring a guy in suffering from excited delirium.  It was handled perfectly and he still died.  Sometimes people just can't be saved.  But I hear there's a narrative out there, and people love the kool-aid.