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Even if it's okay for your kids and that's how you want to raise them, it's entirely possible (I'd say, even probable) that they'll talk to their friends and ruin the fun for them.  And in those cases, the parents don't want their kid's fun to be ruined.
With the absolutist statement in your view that there is nothing wrong, I think this is a small area that points out that there's a little something wrong.
Kids figure it out by 8. Just let them have it until then.
Your children do not need to hear how much you do for them. Do you tell them that you bought the clothes they’re wearing, pain the rent? You decided to have them, that’s the price you pay. You are not special for looking after them imo. >

I don’t have to tell my kids what’s known. My kids know I buy their clothes provide shelter  feed them etc. I don’t flaunt anything in my kids faces because I’m their parent and it’s my job never did I say I was special for doing what is needed to make my kids life easier than what I had to live through growing up.the purpose of Christmas according to most is about family and giving joy and cheer. When kids wake up with gifts under the tree they don’t care who or where it came from all they care about is what it is. So why can’t they get that same satisfaction knowing that Santa didn’t bring the gifts but that they came from mommy and daddy ? >

I agree, the happiness with the present doesn’t change depending on the source.
I just feel that kids don’t get to be innocent for too long nowadays. Can’t we just let them have a few years where they believe in Santa and magic and all that? >

They don’t it’s a sad world we live in I got my 2  and I cry because he’s growing up so fast and I want to protect him from the worldly demons. I get what you are saying but for me it’s the fact that everything is symbolic. Everything has a deeper meaning and I don’t want my kids growing up giving energy to the evil deity’s. Believe me I understand that imagination my son had that sparkle in his eyes and I will prolong that forever but before I give credit to Santa I’ll give it to God. >

Oh Jesus Santa Claus is loosely based on Saint Nicolas who happened to be a saint. Just tell them that if you want to use the whole God angle. Saint Nicholas was known for his generosity and kindness, which gave rise to legends of miracles he performed for the poor and unhappy. At least that way you're not robbing them of the wonder and setting them up for awkward situations with their peer group it's hard enough being a kid without the added stuff.
Oh and FYI there was no way Jesus if he existed was born in December it's impossible  becauae the tax season for the Jews has always been during the late spring early summer not winter. The only reason it's associated with the birth of Jesus is because the Romans were masters of public relations, they took the pagan holiday and tradition of the Yule tree and said look see we celebrate the same as you do! But really you've been celebrating this guy all along. >

That is actually factually wrong. Though Jesus was not born in december 25, the reason this date was chosen had to do with balance an uniformity and what number 3 or the whole trinity means to christians. >

There is no "right" answer on this one. Both are fine and neither side should be shaming the other for what is (at the end of the day) basically a non-issue. >

What I have decided to do when I have kids is have one or two gifts that are from Santa and let them know that the rest is from me and their dad. 
It’s okay for them to believe in something and I have the funds to make it reality. I’m not going to take away that magic and that’s what I want them to have. From memory I loved it and want my kids to have a similar experience.
Yes it is sad that there are kids out there that believes in Santa but never get a gift and as much as I would love to change that, the best I can do is make sure I donate presents to local shelters or something. I am also registering to be a foster parent so that I can help a kid have a least a good memory in a sea of bad ones. >

My parents told me they had to send the money to Santa for our gifts.  Which made sense to me as a child (from a poor family) why some of my friends (from more well off families) got better gifts than me. >

Yes my brother does the same, he has three children and they struggle with money. My nephew's go to a school with tons of rich kids that get all kinds of crazy extravagant gifts from "Santa". My brother had to come up with something as his children were still quite young and couldn't understand the disparity. It is already hard enough because he would get them gifts "from Santa" and gift from the himself. I do sometimes wonder if the the Santa myth puts unfair pressure on poorer families, but once my brother told the kids he had to send Santa money to buy their gifts they seemed to except it. It just seems a little sad that the more wealthy kids get to live in the movie type fantasy of Santa, where as the poor kids can only live half that dream being fully aware of their status and class in life from a very young age. >

I think that we as adults are more aware of the value of the gift then the kids are . By the time they understand money they already know santa is not real. >

Believing in Santa and then having the magic ripped away from me when I found out at 8/9 years old made me really think about whether or not I should just blindly believe in any sort of God, so by the time I was 12 I was an atheist. Santa can be good. >

You're right, there's nothing wrong with it.  
However, I'll tell you why I like Santa, and something I do sometimes (but not always) see as a problem with people who tell their kids, "mommy and daddy brought all the gifts." It's just an opinion, though -- I disagree with a way that some parents do it, but it's not actually wrong, just something I wouldn't choose to do.   
OK, so I like Santa for two reasons. One is just that it's fun, just like lots of other fantasy and pretend things are fun for children. And adults too, actually, but children young enough to believe in Santa are capable of more fully believing in those fantasies, so why not let them get the most out of it while they can? It doesn't have to be Santa, you can indulge that in other ways, but Santa is part of my family/cultural tradition, so Santa is one of the ways we do that. Obviously, there's nothing wrong with choosing not to or choosing to support imaginary/pretend/fantasy play other ways. But there's also nothing wrong with doing Santa. It's not "lying" like some people say, it's fiction and pretend play. That is OK and even important for children however you do it, Santa is just one way.   
The second reason is that I think Santa is a great opportunity for kids to learn about giving unselfishly and making other people happy just to do it, not because you expect a return or to get credit or something. They get this in two ways. When they're young enough to still believe in Santa, what they have is a magic person bringing them presents for no other reason than to make them happy. It's not something they earned, Santa's not getting paid, Santa doesn't get reciprocal presents from the kids -- even if they leave something like milk and cookies for Santa, Santa doesn't know which kids are going to do that, if any, and has to actually go deliver the presents to find out, and there are a million easier ways to get milk and cookies. He can't be doing it all for the cookie. So they're getting this demonstration in giving unselfishly for the good of others. Then, later, they come to understand that actually, parents or whoever is caring for the child is actually Santa. I think this is actually the part that drives the lesson home. Their parents did that for them without even getting a "thank you" from the kid, because the kid didn't know it was them. And by this age, they know how important saying "thank you" usually is. Their parents did this to make their kid happy with no real benefit to themselves. I always explained to mine when we got to that point that you don't need to be mom or dad, anyone can be someone's Santa once they know how it works, because anyone can give a thing or do a thing or even say a thing for no other reason than to make someone else happy.   
Again, obviously, there are other ways to teach this lesson. Santa is a convenient and culturally relevant way for me to do it, and I still incorporated that in other ways too -- I mean, Christmas is only once a year! No one is wrong for just not doing Santa and teaching kids about giving in other ways.   
Where I do see a problem, personally, is when I hear parents say things like "I don't want Santa to get the credit, I want to get the credit for the things I buy." I think those parents are missing the whole point of Santa and maybe of gift-giving at Christmas or other times entirely. The point is not to score points. It's not to get credit or gratitude. It's literally just to give unselfishly. It's not that I think you can't give unselfishly without Santa, you can. Plenty of people give gifts with their own names on them without thinking about getting credit for it; that's not what I'm talking about here. My problem is that I think that if you're expecting credit, if your main objection to Santa is that someone else is getting the gratitude you feel you're owed, you're approaching it the wrong way. And I think that attitude teaches kids that gift-giving and doing things for others is about looking good or getting some kind of validation or reciprocation back, not just about doing good. I want to reiterate that this is just my feeling on the matter. I can't, like, point at a statistic or something to prove my point. I just don't like the mindset of "we don't do Santa because I want my kids to know *I* bought the gifts and appreciate *me* for it, not a magic guy in a red suit." It's not the way I want to approach it and it's not a mindset I want to demonstrate to my kids. But of course, you do you. >

Just addressing Santa being pretend play- kids know when they're pretending.  I was a kid with a very active imagination and played pretend constantly.  I had an imaginary dragon friend I visited daily at the park.  I really believed alligators lived in the sewers because my uncle told me they did.  If a child believes in Santa, they are not pretending.  They're just believing their parent who knows more about the world than they do.  And if a parent is telling them something they know is not true, that is a lie.  That doesn't make it automatically harmful.  We lie to kids about many things.  But it bothers me when people try to claim it's make believe when it isnt. >

I do see a real problem in not participating in Santa actively, though there are ways around it. Children have a hard time with abstract concepts. The time they start understanding abstraction is, ironically, when they usually come to understand the literal mechanics of "Santa". So to my mind, the question becomes how you can convey to a very literal-minded four or six-year-old child the meaning and magic of Christmas without the mythology. Because the point isn't "Make a list of shit you want and someone buys it". Some people celebrate that way, and I mean no criticism by it, but I think if you're doing that, you're doing it wrong. Because if that's all we're doing, then why not buy our own shit, cut out the middle man, and write our loved one's names on the boxes. At least the sizes would be right. 
The point of Christmas giving, if you're doing it right in my opinion, is looking around and making actual magic happen for the people you love. A good gift is something people need, something they want, and something they wouldn't buy for themselves. It's the act of, not fulfilling orders, but manifesting people's secret and sometimes subconscious wishes. Good Christmas stories don't feature someone asking for a toaster and getting a toaster. They show how we express our love and attention to detail and how well we know one another such that we can get the exact right thing above and beyond what someone might say they want. It's also about the random acts of unacknowledged generosity. The donations you make, being kind, giving back to the community, putting in time and effort for people selflessly. That's Christmas magic. That's the materiality of what we're doing. 
And so, we use the abstraction of Santa to make that concrete for children who can't quite grasp the nuances of that yet. If you take that away, I think you're left with the 'fulfilling orders' version of things and that's just not the same. We use mythology to personify the spirit and the mystery of the process because that gives children something to latch on to. They don't understand money or even time yet well enough to explain it literally, and so there's a magic man with reindeer and midnight cookies and a list and a far away workshop to fill that gap until the other, better magic becomes known. And then Santa is still just as real, it just passes from a mythical being to a burden we all share and recreate within ourselves every year. Because, yes, Santa is the spirit that acts within me and pushes me to really dig deep for people and think about what's going to feel magical for them. That's the name I give that impulse. So, if anything, I think the part that would be lying is saying, "Nah, I just got you all that stuff just because you asked or because that's the custom". There's something else at work there, and I think giving it a name and a mythology is almost the most sensible way of explaining it. >

That was a great explanation bravo 👏 ❤️❤️ >

If that changed your view, you should award a delta. >

Why do you want the credit or recognition of buying the gifts? Why does your kids need to know it was you?
IMHO Christmas is not about you. >

So it's ok to give credit to a man in some suit with 🦌?? >

On a personal level, there's nothing wrong with it, but kids interact and talk to each other. If one kid in a class is really vocal about Santa not being real, the rest of the kids will quickly pick things up from that. I understand why that might be problematic for other parents who want to maintain this weird tradition. Some parents might be relying on it to keep their kids in check, using whatever parenting styles they have, so it might be troublesome for other people?
Whether anyone has any standing to complain about that is questionable, but this is an answer to the question:

My kids have fun for their birthdays and they know daddy and mommy buys them gifts, cake, etc and they are just fine have fun and everything. Why can't Christmas be treated the same?

It's not quite the same because the information that Santa isn't real can affect other people's traditions.
Edit: The answer your last question, I don't have kids yet, but I personally grew up without this tradition. But I was told not to bring it up in school. >

I can't tell you what's wrong or right, I'm just gonna say that I miss being a kid and seeing the magical-ness of everything. Santa, tooth fairy, Easter Bunny, hell I believed in leprechauns for far longer than I believed in the others. I wish I still had that magical view of the world where reindeer fly and bunnies give you baskets full of candy. I love seeing that look in my younger siblings eyes when they see Santa in the mall in his big red chair and snowflakes everywhere. I feel like having that magic when I was younger helped my creativity bloom, but more importantly, I can still see the world through a magical lense. Like when the sun shines through a water bottle and makes a beautiful reflection or when you're sitting on a bus looking out a rain covered window and it feels like a movie. I think magic makes life more fun. I already have so many plans to help my future children believe for as long as possible. >

You can always just celebrate that ancient human tradition called yule and I'm sure I mispelt it but it's ifbi remember correctly a human holiday so to speak from centuries and centuries ago that last like 10 days or some shit >

Are you human? >

There are a few different arguments that can be made to change your view on this topic.
First, it's important to consider the role that Santa plays in children's imaginations and how this can foster creativity and joy. For many children, the belief in Santa helps to bring magic and wonder to the holiday season. It allows them to suspend their disbelief and embrace the joy and excitement of the holiday season. By telling your children that Santa is not real, you may be taking away this magical element of the holiday season and potentially diminishing their enjoyment of it.
Additionally, it's important to consider the social aspect of the Santa tradition. Many children look forward to the opportunity to write letters to Santa and leave out cookies and milk for him on Christmas Eve. These traditions help to create a sense of community and can be an important part of the holiday experience for many children. By telling your children that Santa is not real, you may be disrupting these social traditions and potentially causing them to feel left out or disconnected from their peers.
Finally, it's worth considering the potential negative impacts that telling your children the truth about Santa could have on their sense of trust and belief in others. If children are told that Santa is not real, they may begin to question other aspects of their lives and wonder if other things they believe in or have been told are true as well. This could potentially erode their sense of trust and belief in others, which can have negative consequences in other areas of their lives.
Overall, while it's understandable that you may want to be honest with your children about the origins of their gifts, it's important to consider the potential impact that this could have on their sense of wonder, joy, and trust in others. There may be other ways to foster honesty and realism in your children's lives without disrupting the magic and traditions of the holiday season. >

I don't believe there is necessarily anything wrong with this, but, my parents used to fill a stocking with a few smaller gifts and say that was from Santa, whilst still making sure we knew that the bigger gifts were from them. Perhaps that could be a happy medium for you? >

We tell ours that We buy them and send them to Santa to wrap and deliver for Christmas. Win win. >

Yea Santa is stupid asf