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Ok, they are not there... promise. Oh, him? That is Bob, he is here on vacation.
Russia desperately trying to spin their invasion as a conflict with NATO. >

they have been saying as soon as nato gets involved with ukraine they were gonna invade and they did. >

8 years ago? >

i’m not sure of the exact timeline but throughout 2021 they built their defense on the border to invade and as soon as ukraine was set to join nato or were in talks they did their full scale invasion. i’m not saying it’s right so idk why it’s downvoted i’m just saying we saw it coming >

You are being down voted because you have the facts wrong. >

Maybe read you own links?
"It’s noteworthy, however, that NATO likely has “no intention right now” to admit Ukraine to the organization, says William Pomeranz, the acting director of the Kennan Institute at the Wilson Center, a non-partisan policy forum for global issues." >

yes, and that is true. but i original said it was how russia didn’t like ukraine being in talks with nato or potentially join them down the road. they wanted complete control. so they threw a hissy fit and went forward with is based off assumption. >

Your words:
i’m not sure of the exact timeline but throughout 2021 they built their defense on the border to invade and as soon as ukraine was set to join nato or were in talks they did their full scale invasion. i’m not saying it’s right so idk why it’s downvoted i’m just saying we saw it coming
Ukraine was never set to join Nato or were in "talks." >

Russia needlessly invades for its own geopolitical, energy politic ends. Threatens NATO and the world with nuclear annihilation for crossing arbitrary red lines. Now is whining about arbitrary “rules” to war that weren’t agreed upon. And is trying to pretend that it wants peace, when it only wants a truce so as to buy time for a push at a more opportune time. Ridiculous. >

Nobody’s buying his shit in the west. He says crazy stuff all day long that just makes him sound like a lunatic. He should put on more make up and a red nose if he’s going to act like a clown on camera. >

They're definitely in the minority, but there are still plenty of useful idiots in the West who swallow and regurgitate Russian talking points. >

Well, talks weren’t gonna start anyway. Russia is still occupying and trying to take more of Ukraine. 
Until they are out of the territory, no negotiations will take place. >

I bet their peace deal is “ complete cease fire, but we kept all the land we currently occupy” >

"and we take the rest later" >

That’s the thing, Ukraine needs to join NATO but not everyone will agree, they’ll be one of the most powerful with all the weapons and their fighting experience, we will just need a marshal plan for them after we spend what had once been ruzzian money but now will hopefully be used for reconstruction, it’ll probably cost a trillion dollars. >

Ironically by attacking Russia all but guaranteed Ukraine will be able to join NATO.  No NATO country wants to see Russian armies maraudering their way through a neighbor again.  But you can't join NATO while in your borders are in dispute, so it won't happen until the current situation is resolved. >

Well sadly no, they will not be joining nato.
Ukraine wants to, but countries like France and Germany will block that.
Only takes 1 Nato country to veto that >

I hope and pray you’re wrong. >

No im pretty sure I’m right as France already stated Ukraine will not be joining NATO.
People can downvote my comments, no idea why, but doesn’t change the fact whether people like that or not.
Its no different then Turkey basically blackmailing Sweden at the moment because they refuse to deport journalists who Turkey labeled as “terrorists”.
Though I’m pro kicking Turkey out and adding Ukraine. >

Turkey has assets though that are worth playing geopolitics on. The bosporus straight control black sea traffic and pipelines from Azerbaijan go through Turkey. >

I think the importance of Turkey is severely overrated, their constant threats towards Greece, their clear leaning towards Russia in many areas, the fact they are basically an Islam state.. I’d rather we kick em out but far as I understand you actually can’t kick nato members out. (Which I find really really odd) >

That's fine, the Russian military can withdraw, the NATO instructors can withdraw and then negotiations can begin. >

In that order. >

Are you suggesting Russian promises can’t be trusted? >

Feels kinda more like they are outright saying it >

Russia is delusional.  Russia is the aggressor.  Russia withdraws and there is no need to talk.  Training will continue until it is completed to destroy the Russians! >

Okay. All non-Ukrainian forces should leave Ukraine before negotiations. >

There won't be any negotiations.
Russia will just regroup, and attack again later. >

Exactly. They won’t back down until they’re put down and and shamed so bad it is obvious victory is impossible for russia. They just want to buy time so they can try again in a few weeks when the ground is frozen enough for heavy machinery. >

like a dipshit kid who acts tough and bullies all the kids around him, and when the other kids have had enough, everything turns around on the bully as the other kids start fighting back together. Then the brat cries how it's "not fair" and wants a timeout merely because he's getting beat. >

Let another 100k Russians die, see what they say then >

…like they will care. >

Russia has never cared about the lives of their own troops. Or the lives of their civilians. Or the lives of the people in the countries they have invaded. Actually, Russia has never cared about the lives of anyone. >

Russia must leave Ukraine before talks can start how high the reparation will be >

We shouldn’t drop sanctions until they pay reparations and turn over all the war criminals to be tried. >

And denuclearize. As long as they have nukes, they were a threat, and we long as they're a threat we should make they regaining strength as difficult as possible.
Even if it's forever. Sanctions shouldn't be dropped just because they make promises out change regime. That means nothing and the minute you sell them components they start building new missiles, to threaten us with. >

Yeah they should give up their nukes too. I agree. They shouldn’t be allowed to build up a military. >

How about Russia just leave territory that isn't theirs? >

Cute how they still act that they are in charge of anything beside terrorism. >

Sure, after you guys leave too and no we're not leaving until you do.