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You realize that China got rid of zero covid which is why cases are exploding?
R of 16. >

The world cup is over mate R16 was a couple of weeks ago >

Yep and France got a mystery flu too. >

Omassi variant >

I live in Nanjing. My girlfriend and I are just now recovering from Covid. Both our parents have gotten it. Basically every friend we know have too. 
We self tested at home, and self quarantined, so I don't know if the official numbers would count cases like us. >

Is it a new strain or just so populated there? >

Their vaccine is mediocre, their vaccination rates are low, and they have a massive population. They’ve been living on borrowed time. It was gonna blow up sooner or later.
Edit: They’ve also been constantly locked down, so much of the populace hasn’t been exposed to all the variants like we constantly are. >

Overall it is less effective than most vaccines is the point. >

People on here keep making it seem like it's useless.
Also only the mRNA ones, it's similar to AZ and JJ because all 3 use traditional technologies. >

Who knows how many people have already died in China. Same as India where they gave up trying to count. We will probably never know. >

unless they're hiding the bodies, massive amounts of cremation and such would show up (at some point in the future). It's pretty hard to hide this many coffins. >

I mean, they have almost a decades worth of concentration camp experience. I'm sure they know how to hide the bodies. >

China are not going to be hiding anything, I speak to people in China every day, everyone knows what is going on. Unlike before, the Chinese people demanded this easing of the restrictions, so the Chinese government will not feel the need to cover things up, they will see themselves as responding to the demand of the people and any consequences are on them. >

It's not because people are asking to be opened up, but China has become more and more difficult, and it turns out that before the opening up, the virus has already begun to spread on a large scale.  The Chinese government just shifted the responsibility to the protesters, you are the Chinese government's epidemic prevention policy from one extreme to another >

Why is China so difficult? I have wondered what their mentality is resuming such incredible control over the country that was "inherited" from dynasties after the country was united as one big ass place from all these tiny little pieces. With thousands of years of records and cultural tradition. Creating a common language. 
And now... Tyranny in the 21st century. No privacy, lack of human rights. The world is such a strange and sad place. >


Why is China so difficult?

The people of China have never really experienced a functional government where individualism or individual decisions where revered or held up as important. Even if they were presented with the option of democracy, they would reject it. 
Their culture minimizes the individual and maximizes the collective. Authoritarians use this to their advantage to create powerful, lasting, autocratic governments. 
Compare this to Western European and North American nations and you see the difference, with how our philosophy and culture has, for the most part, upheld and revered individualism and liberalism. The importance of the individual and their individual rights, given to them via NATURAL LAW (ie rights are inherent). This is a completely different perspective than the Chinese notion of how a person is merely a part of a collective. >

It makes sense though. The big river basins need to be properly irrigated and maintained by a powerful state, otherwise people will starve by the tens of millions. In Europe where people relied much more on rain to irrigate their crops (Something humans can't control), collectivism was less common, though religion more powerful than in the east. >

I beg to differ, Europe had its fair share of powerful states with collective action creating continent spanning roads, huge and elaborate buildings, ships, etc. Otoh China had multiple mass famines over the ages hinting that perhaps the collectively managed basins might be better off in individuals hands. >

Yes and Europe had its share of autocratic tyrannies. Roads and trade are important for economies, but unless they require trade to feed their population, it's far less important than irrigation for crops, hence China being even worse than Europe when it comes to autocracy.
I'm sorry but saying that river irrigation should be in individual hands rather than state hands is downright nonsensical. Look at what happened to the watersheds in the American west due to states competing for water. They have had the worst drought in history, that would had been easily prevented had the rivers been controlled by a single authority. The literal reason why mass famines happened in China was due to irrigation failures by the state. If not properly irrigated, the yellow river system can only support a fraction of the population, which is why people starved. Sure there probably would have been less famine deaths if there was no central authority. But that is only because the country would have been unable to support a large population in the first place! >

I live in Beijing at the moment and everyday I have friends who are losing grandparents and more.
To go to one extreme to another is pure chaos. I cant get any test kits, paracetomel or ibuprofen. Madness >

I know our countries haven't been the best friends lately, but I'm wishing good health to you, your friends, family, and all other Chinese people. Love, an Australian >

She could be an expat mate. >

Doesn't the rapid spread of Covid in China and India increase the chances of it mutating into something worse or does the opposite happen?  would it eventually burn out?   will it potentially cause travel restrictions again? >

If i understand it correctly, the 1918 flu just kept mutating and mutating until and to this day we still have some sort of 1918 flu variant. I believe this is the path covid is headed
One reason the 1918 flu was so deadly back then was because antibiotics weren’t invented yet and i bet many folks died from secondary infections
I assume those who survived the 1918 flu eventually developed some form of immunity or that it just mutated into a weaker variant and subvariants similar to how covid mutated into a weaker omicron variant and subvariants >

You don’t treat the flu with antibiotics. The flu is a virus… >

Right but they’re saying secondary infections caused death. Like you get the flu and then pneumonia and the pneumonia kills you. Today we have antibiotics to treat the pneumonia. >

We will never know.
In Austria the chancellor initially proclaimed that " soon everyone will know someone who died" of it.
That was three years ago and - as it is with most things any politician said - never became reality, but for once in our favor. >

I’m both glad and annoyed that politicians everywhere don’t deliver. It’s like they refuse to. >

It's a popular thing to say, but it isn't really true.  American presidents, as one case study, keep about 75% of their promises on average. >


“about 75 percent of the promises made by presidents from Woodrow Wilson through Jimmy Carter were kept.”

It's notable that the time frame they use ends with Jimmy Carter. He made lots of promises to the people then delivered only to corporate interests, making him the model for corporatist Democrats we still have today. Prior to Carter the promises kept percent may have been fairly high, but since him I don't expect they're above single-digits, especially considering the source article considers a compromised promise a promise kept, when it's very obviously not. >

I wonder what an anti vaccine person think about this? Very curious.. as many anti vaxxers think it’s just a flu.. will they even count dead people from Covid being real? >

They don't care about anyone apart from themselves... Its their entire belief system. >

Does China use only Chinese produced vaccines or also western ones? >

A few days ago Germany send some to China, just under 12k doses though, so not much. Maybe there are others. >

Those are just for the ruling leadership. >

Atleast read the articles. They are for German Expats >

What kind of link is that? >

You sunk my battleship! >

Either that or a whole chess game >

There are almost certainly an absolute fuckton of individuals who know 8+ people who have died from it >

At this point I would be surprised if there was a revolution attempt in China >

I would also be surprised >

I gotta agree with both of you that would be surprising at this point. >

It’s especially scary given China has a large senior population who are more prone to having worse symptoms of COVID. Since they’ve been in lockdown for so long there is absolutely no herd immunity >

Aren’t tobacco usage rates still relatively high compared to the west too? That’s not going to bode well. >

Hm... now that you mention it. What about air pollution? I guess China must have a lot of people with not so healthy lungs to begin with. >

Gotta fix that demographic problem somehow /s >

Why do I suspect there is no /s at the senior leadership level where their own parents (and themselves) are protected by Pfizer shots? >

It’s a very tiny s >

All pointless suffering. They could have accepted the western vaccines years ago. >

And what use is western vaccine when people don’t go vaccinate? China should have forced the population to vaccinate during these zero Covid times. Even the Chinese vaccine is very effective after three shots but only 60% or so have a second shot. 
They only forced the first shot and then gave up. 
Absolutely dropped the ball. It was going to happen someday this mass wave since you just can’t be zero Covid forever when nobody else cares anymore but you have to force people to take vaccine. Use that authoritarian power but nope just slept. >

Advocating for authoritarianism, another average day on Reddit. >

I mean I have to say it is strange. China, one of the only countries with the means to force it's citizens to get multiple shots just didn't do it. I don't really get why but now they're all suffering and dying for it >

China is a fucking mess, consider the following:


They don't have an effective vaccine.  Sino vaccine is garbage, but govt. Is too proud to allow use of far superior western made vaccines.


0 covid policy was a massive failure that only enraged civilians and wrecked their economy.


The very govt.  That tried to hide the virus at the start, is still obfuscating the extent of their infections >

I have a lot of contacts in China from my old line of work. Pretty much every single person in China has Covid right now. >

I remember saying at the beginning of the pandemic not to trust Chinese numbers, but everyone in Europe was busy jerking off to Chinese Zero Covid policy and how great they are managing it. Their numbers were always made up fairy tale numbers. >

Everyone in China already has lung cancer from the pollution and the widespread smoking.  Therefore it was easy to cover covid deaths >

The deaths we see are the ones they couldn't hide. >

This feels like we're back in 2020 >

Everything about China is a huge lie. Every data coming out of China is a huge facade and the CCP intends to keep it that way. >

What do they think they gain from lying about it? Saving face? We're way past that point. Honesty and transparency are tantamount to integrity. >

Every country lied about it. Isn't that what people wanted China to do? To adopt how the rest of the world handled it? To let it rip and pretend the virus doesn't exist? >

Well....the rest of the world waited until decent vaccines got released and then got highly vaccinated. So not really the same is it? And it seems to me like they're pushing China to open because they see stories about people being locked inside their apartment blocks and think "yeah, this is a bit authoritarian". >

Yeah so, why the lockdown? >

1.4 billion people in China >

Uh yeah, I believe there are. What's the relevance? Is being in lockdown for 10 years going to change that? Is there some benefit to it? Extreme caution in judging the aftereffects? What's the philosophy? >

A lot more people die with 1% death rate in a country of 1.4 billion compared to a 1% death rate in a country of 14 million >

Yes, but unless there's some kind of material change in the situation, that's going to be true 10 years from now too. So what is the material change that's expected? >

I wonder if this will become a regular occurrence? Viruses poking their heads up to routinely cull the human population into more stable numbers. The Covid strains we have seen are not as lethal as they could be.
Kind of makes you a bit paranoid to think if someone wanted to they could weaponize a virus to obliterate the planet. >

It hasn't been for lack of trying! Russia in particular invested heavily in weaponized disease, but many others toyed around with it at one point or another. Japan even even used such weapons against China in WW2. >

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)


China is likely seeing over 1 million infections and 5,000 deaths a day from COVID-19, per Airfinity data.
Airfinity's data modelling shows China is likely seeing over 1 million COVID cases a day, in what it called a "Stark contrast" to official figures, per a press release on Wednesday.
Airfinity predicts two upcoming COVID-19 peaks in China with cases reaching 3.7 million a day in mid-January and 4.2 million a day in early March 2023.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 death^#2 COVID-19^#3 case^#4 reported^#5 >

China and bullshitting statistics causing a global pandemic again. Who could have seen this coming. >

Are those official chinese records? >

There wasnt a "official" China in those days. Qing empire was pretty much gone, Republic of China just got founded as a democracy, then turned dictator, then got overthrown in the span of a few days.
Not to mention all the other warlord provinces which claimed areas for themselves.
In short. Hard to count deaths, when there was nobody to do the counting since everyone was dying in one way or the other. >

Which fuels dumbass conspiracy theories that COVID isn't deadly and creates a bigger problem for themselves.
And surely just being honest about the situation would have given them reason to justify their covid policies... >

covid gonna run it's course....shot or not >

Of course they are. Probably has been like that the entire pandemic. Imagine if they'd told the truth to begin with. The world wouldn't've suffered so much pain. >

But aren’t they vaccinated? >

I think its safe to say that only China fudges their stats. No other country would do this. >

The China that killed more of it's own citizens than any other nation in human history? That China? Any country can be a home to self-deception but nobody does it like the CCP.
The important thing here isn't "China bad" or "lying bad." The important thing is that this disease is needlessly killing millions of people and potentially mutating into more dangerous strains that will continue to ravage the planet. >

China always feels they need to cover up this stuff. It's why they let the virus get loose in the first place. >

West should sell our vaccine shots at $100 a shot.
I remember seeing Chinese folks rushing to international flights in Wuhan when the banning of flights was giong to start at midnight.
I remember seeing Chinese basking at massive water parks, in the wave pools, while we were stuck at home. 
I remember them thumbing at us on how much better they were handling Covid.
I remember seeing our death tolls move up and they showed no infections.
They lie so much to the world and their own people.  Tired of it. >

Years of Zero Covid with fascist measures like locking people in is backfiring. Who would've thought?
Mindblowing to think that Zero Covid had supporters in my central European country just a year ago. 
Edit: just checked the comments under an article about Zero Covid in China in a renowned news outlet - derStandard - and some people still do. Incredible. Apparently you just need an exist strategy and that's what China was missing.