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I don't think you can do much for pre-crime in the USA.  If they can, educate me.
Happened at my school. Kid threatened to shoot up the school. Cops arrested him. Found a kill list. Made the evening news. Superintendent said in the paper he would not be allowed back under any circumstances.
Ten days later the kid strolls right back in my classroom. Lawyer argued he was on the spectrum and acting out. >

sounds like it was a shit manifestation determination meeting and the district didn't even want to bring in their lawyers >

What happens if one of the students on the list gets a restraining order filed against the kid threatening to shoot up the school?  I mean my understanding is this would suffice since he created fear of imminent serious physical harm. >

The courts have ruled that cops have zero duty to protect any person from harm.
An NYC cop hid from a violent knife wielder who had been stabbing people for a day already. Then watched as a man stopped him and got injured in the process.
The man sued the cops for not helping, and the courts sided with the cop saying they had no special duty to protect. >

Joe Lozito, who fought and stopped the knife guy, made a video about it. >

Oh yeah I remember that. I was a regular Cracked user back when that came out.  Amazing how it's still infuriating all these years later.
Almost seems like your best course of action when seeking police assistance is to Lie to dispatchers and tell them you killed the bad guys.
Wouldn't have helped Lozito in this situation, but it might help other people and maybe cause some deserved stress for police departments. >

Tell them you think he killed a cop. >

holy crap that would be a zergling rush of cops >

I’m sure this will end well. >

"Well, we can't really DO anything yet. So we gotta let him, you know, get some of you, er, he didn't even do anything wrong! Turn that camera off! Stop mixing my words up!" >

It's weird, especially now with all the added school security, because when I was in 7th grade (ca. 2007), there was a girl a grade above me who created a "kill list" (probably at that point just Papa Roach-fueled angst, which is why I put it in quotations), and it was handled pretty severely. She had to go to another school after it was discovered. 
I wouldn't be surprised if the decision to let this kid resume classes was due to teacher shortages. >

This new generation today doesn't know how to be emo. They actually act it out instead of pretend like we did! And we looked cooler doing it too. >

God this sounds exactly what people were saying about millennials lol >

First millennials ruined wine and now this! >

“I don’t understand everything the youths are doing and it scares me and they must be wrong!” >

"I used to be with ‘it’, but then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary. It’ll happen to you!" >

No way man! >

This totally happened in Bellbrook, OH circa 2011. The cops came out, FBI and everything after a high school students kill list was found. They did nothing. Absolutely less than nothing. Then, now brace yourselves for this shocker, guess what happened? This same person became the Dayton, OH mass shooter in the Oregon District that took 9 lives in 2019. Holy shit right? The number one thing that psychologists fucking agree on was correct. >

We receive yearly training on active shooter preparation. 
80 percent of these bastards tell others of their intentions. 
Do something. >

Why is that? Seriously? Is it a call for help? Clearly there is something going on for that to happen. >

Yes it is. They often want to be stopped. I know because I was that kid. The only reason I didn't become one was I didn't have access to guns. If I had a gun I definitely would have. I was completely and utterly unwell then. I was bullied to an incredible degree and every single day was hell for me. I wanted them to suffer. I dreamed about it every single night. I wanted the dreams to stop, but night after night I fantasized about murdering my abusers. >

username reference, Glad you stepped into the light!
Hope you are a bit better for it! >

I wouldn't say I ever came into the light, but rather endured the darkness til the dawn. >

You know what, I like you! >

Thanks! I snooped your profile a bit. Only reason I didn't join the military after college is my mental health. I would have probably gone all pvt joker or some shit. Thanks for serving. >

Private Pyle I'm assuming is what you mean... >

Yes I did mean that. Long time since I watched Full Metal Jacket. >

Surprised all the parents haven't pulled their kids from school. >

I’m surprised people are still having kids at all >

I've ALWAYS wanted kids. My whole life I wanted 2 kids. Within the past 5 or so years, I find myself wanting kids less and less. I just don't know that I can bring another life into THIS world. >

Totally get that tbh adopting seems more sensible, you aren’t adding more life yet you can take care of someone who needs it the most >

I'm also in my 30s so there's a reasonable chance that my future partner may already have a kid/kids. 
Adoption would definitely be an option I'd be open to, though. Hell, my parents have adopted my younger cousin after her pos mom did her normal pos things. >

I like you and your family. Some of the good ones, right here. >

Thank you, I appreciate that. 
My parents are far from perfect, but I never doubted whether they loved me or if they would be there for me even when I fucked up. >

As a teacher, I belong to several teacher forums. Sadly, incidents like these are way too common. Students and staff try and do the right thing and report to admin whenever there’s a threat, but nothing gets done. Luckily, our school would never tolerate any of the things I read about daily. However, sadly that’s not the case at many schools. 
Obviously, the nature of the threat is important to consider. However, death threats and kill lists should be taken extremely seriously. Parents have every right to be angry. >

Is it school administration that is dropping the ball? It sounds like the students, parents and teachers are being mindful and voicing their concerns. Where does this translate into some form of action?
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I does seem like that, however, it’s really the government doing it. Students, even ones like this, have so many protections under laws in regulations. It’s virtually impossible to expel students now. I’m not an admin but I’ve seen things like this play out in my job. >

I don’t have the answers but school shooters often trigger red flags before they do anything. When that happens do the children become vulnerable ,possible victims, in preservation of the aggressor child’s rights? >

I don’t have the answers either. I just know it sucks. The education system is completely overwhelmed with little support. >

Happened at my school in 2007.
Someone wrote on the wall that they were going to bring their guns on 4/20 during our schools pep rally. Cops came into the school. Started going through lockers. Pep rally still happened. No shooting happened. 
That Monday, they started questioning students and going through lockers more. Had our bags checked coming in. No guns found. But on Tuesday or Wednesday they found a kill list in someone's locker.
He was interviewed. Admitted to writing on the wall. 6 weeks away from the end of their freshman year. Expelled.
During the summer his family got a lawyer. He was back in the same school after the summer. >

your school had a pep rally for 420? >

Look just ignore it for 5 years , everything will be fine , just a future school shooter which is like a once a week thing now so like not to big of a deal >

Ya it's not like he shot anyone when he was 6. >

You know I thought the 6 year old one was oniony at first when I heard someone mention it I thought “a 6year old shooter seems to far fetched “ 
But I was proven very very wrong when I seen the actual news story >

This is America >

Everyone keeps telling me it’s a Wendy’s though >

It is and what is your order sir!? >

I'm gonna be honest here. My son's on the spectrum and made threats at school When he was 11. I pulled him out and have been homeschooling him since. I recognized early on that when he gets triggered he goes from 0 to 60 in a second. When he gets upset, he threatens both me and my wife. I've done everything in my power to keep my house safe. I've done everything I can to keep others safe. But the first thing I did was recognize my son might become a danger to others, and I've done everything in my power to make sure he doesn't end up on the evening news. 
I can't for the life of me understand why a parent would just send their kid back to school after making dangerous threats or behavior. >

They could still end up on the news for killing either you or your wife.
Hopefully you are both doing your due diligence in taking them to therapy, and I truly do hope that with proper help and love that they learn ways to manage those emotions. >

He hasn't physically acted out toward us yet except for punching my once, and he usually has an immediate apologetic response. He's autistic, and at the age where hormones are kicking in. He's under complete supervision, the house has alarms on all doors, knives are in a locked drawer, we don't have guns, and the baseball bat stays in the garage. Wife and I aren't angry people, so we never fight, and we generally have the same ideas/beliefs on politics and life, so there really isn't any aggression to feed off of. 
He has a therapist, and a doctor thats trying to find medications that will help without turning him into a zombie. We've done everything in our power. Now we just hope we can figure this all out before he becomes an adult. >

I'm sorry your going through that. My brother was like this but non verbal and very low mental function. He would usually hurt himself first but he'd also pull hair. God forbid you're in his path. My parents sent him to a specialized boarding school after all of our hair had been pulled enough times and a stranger once... he might have been 8 or 9 when we sent him. It was the best thing they could have done honestly. They did a really good job with him and now he lives in a very nice group home as an adult. He's much more leveled out now that he's on a very strict routine. Sometimes day to day normal life can be too much for autistic kids and we don't have the professional skills to manage that 24/7. >

America has given up even pretending to protect its children. They won't protect them from violence or rape. They won't fund their education. They won't create a society or even a world for them to inhabit. All while claiming all the harm caused is for their benefit. >

Someone said. The sandy hook shooting was the last chance for gun rights in the US.
If we as a country accepted dead kids as a price for guns then nothing will ever take away guns. >

Didn’t help that fuckwads like Alex Jones hopped on the “conspiracy” part of that afterwards and politicized the tragedy to hype website traffic and sell dick pills while he screamed about how “they” were gonna use the Sandy Hook tragedy to “take all the guns”. 
Least the bastard got sued twice, successfully for defamation over it and currently has a $1.5 billion combined judgements against him, with at least one more trial on the way, and one in limbo as the plaintiff died in….I believe it was a house fire. Quite recently too. >

Let's call a spade a spade, though, he didn't just "Hop on it", he instigated and spread it with vile efficiency.  God, I don't like to throw the work "hate" around, but I fucking hate that piece of shit. >

Don't worry, thats a piece of shit thats okay to hate >

Meanwhile girls are sent home and their education interrupted for showing their collar bone >

That distracts boys from school work! >

Can't write a kill list when distracted by jezebels! >

That's a great band name. Distracted by Jezebels. >

Same thing happened at Oak Hill High School in Indiana. A young woman, who is well on her way to a very hard life, was caught with a detailed "kill list." This happened just about 3 or 4 months ago. 
Details included other children and teacher's full names, why they made it onto the list, and in some cases how they wanted to commit the act.
Also, this wasn't a list made by just this 1 troubled girl. The girl has 2 friends who have also lived a short life of raising every red flag possible, and these 2 girls also contributed to the list and planned to carry it out together. One of these girls has a family member on the school board, so the girls were only out of school very briefly.
They haven't done anything since returning, to my knowledge, but my family has taken their children out of the school since it was handled so poorly.
Pay attention to what is going on at your children's school. Nepotism and negligence will happen at a school, too. >

Obvious solution: Publish the kill list so everyone knows who's safe and who needs to change schools. >

Better solution: Have everyone in the school compile individual lists and turn it into a giant Mexican standoff. >

Improved solution: encourage a decorative bright pink Burn Book within friend groups so they can start rumours, stories and gossip about the girls and guys in high school such as:

Trang Pak is a grotsky little byotch. Trang Pak made out with Coach Carr.
Bethany Byrd has an amazing ability to suppress her gag reflex. Uses Super Jumbo Tampons... slut.
Regina George: This girl is the nastiest skank bitch I've ever met. Do not trust her. She is a fugly slut. >

Don’t forget the one who made out with a hot dog. >

Oh my god, that was one time! >

Isn't it compulsory to attend school? >

Which means that if the teen becomes even more homicidal, there's nothing in place to prevent gun purchases. Like psych evaluations as part of background checks. >

Need to have a mental health industry that people actually trust before that’s even feasible. >

I would love to see m4a and expanded mental health accessibility wayyyyyy before gun control written by legislators who have only seen guns in movies. Unfortunately I get neither >

Happened at my school last year. Kid had the means and motive. We have upstairs and downstairs 6th grade pods, and he was upstairs. The teachers up there were on his list as well as kids. We caught wind that admin was trying to let him back in, so we (downstairs pod) told admin we were walking out if they stepped foot in the school. Upstairs teachers were terrified, but each had a reason they felt like they couldn’t say anything to admin (pregnant, kids, spouse on our insurance) etc. it’s ridiculous that they even considered putting the kid back in their classrooms. I was fired up and ready to walk out and cause a scene. This shit is ridiculous. What other professions are you allowed to say you want to kill someone where you work? Fuck off >

I think your last sentence is what makes me want to leave teaching lol 
What other profession does deal with stuff like this? Any adult that did that would be fired or much worse. 
I’m not saying the student who wrote the list shouldn’t be able to access a school, but at the very LEAST not the one that the students/teachers who they wrote down go to. 
That’s the part I don’t get. There are other schools in their county/district. At the minimum, move the student. >

My wife is a teacher and it feels like every other month there's another "scare" in her school. She won't let me buy her a bulletproof vest. >

Over 10 years in education… this is nothing new. Ask your teacher friends. We all have similar stories. >

This happened at my sons middle school a few months ago too.  Kid brought a loaded gun to show off and said he wasn't afraid to use it there.  He was back the next week.  More than half of the students and parents protested by calling out.  The student only lasted half a day back. >

I was a kid who made a kill list that included classmates who bullied me and teachers who creeped me out (the latter was warranted after photos were found on one of the teachers phone years later lol) and got caught. It was made for fun I guess, but it definitely wasn’t made to actually be acted on. When I got caught, they called me into the office to talk to me, and I cried and was very apologetic, and ultimately they just suspended me so I could delete the list (it was online). I never had any issues after that. Granted, that was just me and who knows if the kid from the article just made a stupid mistake or if they had actual plans. I understand the lack of confidence people have on the school system handling things like these, but I just thought I’d share my story. >

Details matter. The anime Deathnote created a big headache because suddenly middle schoolers were making “lists.” >

I remember those death note lists very vividly because more than a few of my friends had made them. They were venting their frustrations of being relentlessly bullied and beaten on in school and weren’t actually planning on acting upon it. >

What is it with bullying and violence in your guys' schools, genuinely curious, like wtf >

Idk about them but my schools had 3 bomb threats this year >

maybe ask him why he did it and punish bullies instead of lifetime jailing him? >

Pathetic comments section. You all just want to take every instance of a struggling child and throw them in the trash. Guarantee you tons of kids every year act out in these ways and never plan on acting on it. They're unstable, probably cause everyone treats them like outsiders, like some kinds of animals. They're probably emotionally neglected. >

Something similar happened at my school in 2012. A troubled kid I was friends made a kill list and got suspended. I didn’t know until a year later when I was about to graduate that he also made a rape list, and I was on both. The administrators who knew about the list would see us in the same group and didn’t think to warn me or the other girls who were on that list. He got in trouble again for death threats and the vice principle finally let me know that over a year ago, the kid literally told him in his office that he wanted to rape me and then kill me after. >

Is it actually a kill list? Back in my day they would suspend people who had "Death Notes" made for fun. Was stupid AF >

It's a mess trying to discuss this here.
One group - Clearly wants the kid jailed and locked away.  They want them to be a pariah and create the recipe for the worst case scenario.
What I want
Have the kid be given mandatory therapy(heck maybe as a society we should have this). Whichever is the proper profession to help them. 
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Ascertain if there truly is a credible threat.  
One group wants to act like every single troubled kid is a future school shooter.  Some people just need to vent and other certainly will go further. 
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I don't know this kids history.  I don't know their relationship with the people on the list. 
Defuse the situation before it starts. But don't assume everyone wants to be the next mass murderer.   
If the school lets the kid back in without conditions, that's ridiculous.   
Honestly though the parents probably should pull the kid and try a different school. But that's not always an option.  Remote schooling should certainly be an option now.  
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I just feel a lot of these comments are misguided and fear mongering(this is not a joke). There should not be a "Do nothing" solution but I'm not seeing a lot of "healing" and support to again defuse the situation. >

Soon we will read about legally purchased firearms. >

Likely purchased by the parents and left unsecured. >

A return to school gift >

Happened when I was in school. Some kid had a "hit list". Nothing ever happened and he ended up a mostly normal kid. >

I know a kid that did this, they would however not act on it. But i can assure you that it scares parents. When people are bullied at school and they want to be rid of that bullying the parents reaction should be to tell their kids not to fuck with the kid that might mean business one day.
There is probably a method to the madness for more people, and they do deserve help. But the parents in this video don't seem to acknowledge that if their kids was on that list maybe they themselves are a problem too. Miss, is your kid a bully perhaps? >

Meanwhile I had a beer in my backpack as a kid and got expelled instantly. So bizzarre that the equivalent to death threats is somehow not worse than possession of alcohol >

Kid in my school back in 1998 had a hit list. Now he’s a cop and overtly racist. >

Everyone named on that list needs to file for a restraining order. problem solved. If he can not avoid running into them at school, then he goes.. >

"But he has a mental illness."
So stop him from hurting people because of it. >

This happened at my daughter’s HS last year. The student was suspended for a day or two, then was back, and browsing gun web sites on his school laptop as soon as he came back. My daughter complained to the administration that this violates the student conduct policy a million ways to Sunday, and was ignored. >

I see a lot of people in this thread saying this is unacceptable and while I understand this being a major concern for parents, what exactly is the alternative? Banning this 14 year old from public school forever? I know someone will simply reply with that quote with "yes" but if he's been seen by a psychologist and cleared, doesn't have access to firearms, etc then why can't he return to school? There also isn't any reason special precautions couldn't be put in place like doing a thorough search of that student before he's allowed to enter. Having an entire community rally against a child doesn't seem like it makes for a safer situation. He's could still get a gun, walk into a school, and do whatever if that was what he was motivated to do. We live in the age of widely publicized mass shootings. You think he's the only kid who's made a list of people he hates? The vast majority will never act on it and are just looking for an outlet. Doesn't mean we shouldn't take these things extremely seriously but one mistake shouldn't make a child the target of an entire community if that child has received the proper care for what's troubling them. We've been conditioned to believe that a school shooting is right around the corner of every school, and again we shouldn't minimize real threats, but a kid making a list shouldn't mean he's exiled from society. >

At this point, since the media and community have made him a public spectacle, I certainly hope he doesn't go back to the same school. Whatever bullying he might have been experiencing and whatever issues the student may have had are just going to be made much, much worse due to all this. >

Yeah I don't see how they could ever lead a normal life at that school. >

I'd be concerned too, but, and this doesn't excuse anything, but I think a lot of bullied kids have lists like this, be it written down or just in their head. I was bullied a lot and there were a lot of people in school with me that would have made my life easier if they weren't there.
However, I never forsaw myself forcefully removing them, maybe that's the difference here. >

I guess that's fine as long as everyone who has a part in letting him return to school is willing to be charged as an accessory when he actually goers through with it later. Seriously...at what point is this just enabling tragedy? >

I'd be more concerned but I have seen this at my own schools growing up. 
Nothing typically happens, it's just kids being mad at one another and they don't know how to resolve the problem. Easier to fantasize about getting revenge than continuing to get bullied. 
We had a kill list, a "these white kids are racist and need to be dealt with" list, multiple bomb threats, and even a kid who used a death note and got caught by the person who's name he wrote in there. 
Every single situation ended with a small investigation and promises from kids that they'll be smarter. Kids are just dumb. >

Kid should have one of the security guards on him at all times at minimum. Or maybe zoom him into class, like we did for practically 2 years.