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Well what about those Iran drone and instructors you have on your side no mention of those huh?
You lil shits are getting beaten by Ukrainians only not NATO if you ever think about invading us we would immediatly engage.
Russia desperately trying to spin their invasion as a conflict with NATO. >

they have been saying as soon as nato gets involved with ukraine they were gonna invade and they did. >

8 years ago? >

i’m not sure of the exact timeline but throughout 2021 they built their defense on the border to invade and as soon as ukraine was set to join nato or were in talks they did their full scale invasion. i’m not saying it’s right so idk why it’s downvoted i’m just saying we saw it coming >

You are being down voted because you have the facts wrong. >

Maybe read you own links?
"It’s noteworthy, however, that NATO likely has “no intention right now” to admit Ukraine to the organization, says William Pomeranz, the acting director of the Kennan Institute at the Wilson Center, a non-partisan policy forum for global issues." >

yes, and that is true. but i original said it was how russia didn’t like ukraine being in talks with nato or potentially join them down the road. they wanted complete control. so they threw a hissy fit and went forward with is based off assumption. >

Your words:
i’m not sure of the exact timeline but throughout 2021 they built their defense on the border to invade and as soon as ukraine was set to join nato or were in talks they did their full scale invasion. i’m not saying it’s right so idk why it’s downvoted i’m just saying we saw it coming
Ukraine was never set to join Nato or were in "talks." >

Russia needlessly invades for its own geopolitical, energy politic ends. Threatens NATO and the world with nuclear annihilation for crossing arbitrary red lines. Now is whining about arbitrary “rules” to war that weren’t agreed upon. And is trying to pretend that it wants peace, when it only wants a truce so as to buy time for a push at a more opportune time. Ridiculous. >

Nobody’s buying his shit in the west. He says crazy stuff all day long that just makes him sound like a lunatic. He should put on more make up and a red nose if he’s going to act like a clown on camera. >

They're definitely in the minority, but there are still plenty of useful idiots in the West who swallow and regurgitate Russian talking points. >

Well, talks weren’t gonna start anyway. Russia is still occupying and trying to take more of Ukraine. 
Until they are out of the territory, no negotiations will take place. >

I bet their peace deal is “ complete cease fire, but we kept all the land we currently occupy” >

"and we take the rest later" >

That’s the thing, Ukraine needs to join NATO but not everyone will agree, they’ll be one of the most powerful with all the weapons and their fighting experience, we will just need a marshal plan for them after we spend what had once been ruzzian money but now will hopefully be used for reconstruction, it’ll probably cost a trillion dollars. >

Ironically by attacking Russia all but guaranteed Ukraine will be able to join NATO.  No NATO country wants to see Russian armies maraudering their way through a neighbor again.  But you can't join NATO while in your borders are in dispute, so it won't happen until the current situation is resolved. >

Well sadly no, they will not be joining nato.
Ukraine wants to, but countries like France and Germany will block that.
Only takes 1 Nato country to veto that >

I hope and pray you’re wrong. >

No im pretty sure I’m right as France already stated Ukraine will not be joining NATO.
People can downvote my comments, no idea why, but doesn’t change the fact whether people like that or not.
Its no different then Turkey basically blackmailing Sweden at the moment because they refuse to deport journalists who Turkey labeled as “terrorists”.
Though I’m pro kicking Turkey out and adding Ukraine. >

Turkey has assets though that are worth playing geopolitics on. The bosporus straight control black sea traffic and pipelines from Azerbaijan go through Turkey. >

I think the importance of Turkey is severely overrated, their constant threats towards Greece, their clear leaning towards Russia in many areas, the fact they are basically an Islam state.. I’d rather we kick em out but far as I understand you actually can’t kick nato members out. (Which I find really really odd) >

That's fine, the Russian military can withdraw, the NATO instructors can withdraw and then negotiations can begin. >

In that order. >

Are you suggesting Russian promises can’t be trusted? >

Feels kinda more like they are outright saying it >

Russia is delusional.  Russia is the aggressor.  Russia withdraws and there is no need to talk.  Training will continue until it is completed to destroy the Russians! >

Okay. All non-Ukrainian forces should leave Ukraine before negotiations. >

There won't be any negotiations.
Russia will just regroup, and attack again later. >

Exactly. They won’t back down until they’re put down and and shamed so bad it is obvious victory is impossible for russia. They just want to buy time so they can try again in a few weeks when the ground is frozen enough for heavy machinery. >

like a dipshit kid who acts tough and bullies all the kids around him, and when the other kids have had enough, everything turns around on the bully as the other kids start fighting back together. Then the brat cries how it's "not fair" and wants a timeout merely because he's getting beat. >

Let another 100k Russians die, see what they say then >

…like they will care. >

Russia has never cared about the lives of their own troops. Or the lives of their civilians. Or the lives of the people in the countries they have invaded. Actually, Russia has never cared about the lives of anyone. >

Russia must leave Ukraine before talks can start how high the reparation will be >

We shouldn’t drop sanctions until they pay reparations and turn over all the war criminals to be tried. >

And denuclearize. As long as they have nukes, they were a threat, and we long as they're a threat we should make they regaining strength as difficult as possible.
Even if it's forever. Sanctions shouldn't be dropped just because they make promises out change regime. That means nothing and the minute you sell them components they start building new missiles, to threaten us with. >

Yeah they should give up their nukes too. I agree. They shouldn’t be allowed to build up a military. >

How about Russia just leave territory that isn't theirs? >

Cute how they still act that they are in charge of anything beside terrorism. >

Sure, after you guys leave too and no we're not leaving until you do. >

Ok, they are not there... promise. Oh, him? That is Bob, he is here on vacation. >

You killed me :D thanks for brightening my day. >

Russian forces must leave Ukraine before talks can start. >

After everything Russia still tries to have some demands. Unbelievable. >

oh well, that's easy. There's no NATO instructors in Ukraine. 
So, talks can start right away then... >

Reminder that all of the people Russia "liberated" are never heard from, yet when Ukraine took their territory back in Kherson everyone went out of their way to greet the military. Now think about the millions of people behind the lines still, and those who have been herded off to other places. Don't give Russia an inch. They're a spoiled brat that has never learned to behave, let them face their damn consequences, and help Ukraine send them back and keep them out. >

Isn't this how they started the war with ukraine?
-Give us your nukes and we won't invade?
Now its:
-Weaken your defenses, and we can talk about peace? >

And then what? Western military supplies must leave before talks can start? After that it will be Ukraine must leave those 4 provinces, then Ukraine must disarm its army etc etc
Empty words from a man trying to spin his way out of the situation >

The guys begging for a ceasefire are also trying to call all the shots. You can tell there is a major disconnect happening right now in the Kremlin. They know talking is the only way out besides, yuh know, fucking off back home. This week has been one of the best for Ukraine militarily. Not only do they have new weapons systems, not only is their military trained on those new weapons systems, but they will only be adding more with that $45B. They also talked the US into giving a Patriot system. Meanwhile in Russia, big morale boost as the Kremlin provides soliders with new boots and body armour... Ukraine will not lose this war. Period. >

Russia is deeply uninterested in peace talks, Putin still doesn't believe Ukraine is a real sovereign state. There's just no where to go from there. >

Even the russian diplomats believe the russian state TV. >

How do they still not realise that they don't get to dictate the terms anymore? >

If there were nato troops there this would have been over long time ago. >

Russian troops need to get the fuck out of Ukraine.
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Period. >

How about the murdering ex-commie thugs leave the country they invaded first? >

No, Russia leaves Ukraine before talks can start. >

Russia is just a bully...From them telling the Ukrainian President that He made a mistake going to the US to NATO instructors leaving Ukraine ..,they are just stalling. >

This is like a kid in the school yard picking a fight with another kid, gets his ass kicked by the other kid and then is like "Hey, let's work this out". >

crying to the teacher "He's bullying me!" >

What is there to talk about? >

I feel the Ukrainians can go with that. Everyone out - NATO, RUSSIANS. Right? Right? >

And NATO says russia can get the fuck out and go fuck themselves. >

Lol. Keep yapping it is only making them look weaker. >

Russian soldiers must leave Ukraine before talks can start.
The subject of these talks? Reparations, but I think war crimes and Russian disinformation could come up too! >

Oh you think you have leverage here?  Cute! >

At this point, Ukraine is gonna grind Russian testiclochkas into diesel-polluted earth. They can posture and declare and diplomatochka all the while! >

News flash. Russia must leave Ukraine before talks can start. >

One day I went into Taco Bell. When I got into the line, the man in front of me was trying to convince the cashier to put the burrito on the counter before he paid. They kept going back and forth, not violently mind you, but definitely moronically. Of course the man never paid and eventually walked out... This exchange between the man and the taco bell employee made more sense than this. And Russia is just a homeless man begging for the burrito to be put on the counter. >

The NATO instructors are there on holiday. Just like the Russian soldiers were in Crimea before the invasion. >

The thing is the NATO folks are there with permission and the Russians aren’t >

RuZZia go f$%ck yourself >

Just in case Russia wants to commit just a wittle warcrime... >

This is what required by Russian diplomats for the Russian soldiers to leave Ukraine and then for the talks to start, right? Right? >

How about starting right fucking now you civilian-slaughtering assholes? >

If Russia wanted a chance at a favourable outcome in talks they should have gone for them after it became apparent they weren't taking Kyiv, but before Western support ramped up, Ukraine started kicking ass, and that massive convoy was taken out. 
Now we all know how incompetent they are, their war crimes are laid bare, and the MIC is going into full swing. No chance they get a favourable outcome.
I don't see this ending until Ukraine retakes all its territory, then begins fortifying itself against future attacks. Even then I think it will be like North & South Korea, no longer actively at war, no official peace agreement, and a demilitarised zone.
I can also see Russia leveraging Turkey & Hungary to block Ukraine from joining Nato, so I imagine other nations will sign defensive pacts with Ukraine to ensure Russia doesn't get any ideas in the future.
It's going to be fascinating looking back at this war over the next 10-20 years, seeing Ukraine develop and explore its full potential, while Russia just tries to recover from this disastrous conflict. >

All other diplomats say that Russia must leave Ukraine for talks to conclude. >

Russia needs to leave Ukraine, including Crimea. Now. >

Is Russia under the impression Ukraine wants to talk to them? I thought Zelensky made it pretty clear when he roughly said theres no peace while there is putin. >

RUSSIA IS TRYING EVERYTHING TO DISTRACT UKRAINE. it’s not working. They apparently have over a million soldiers and we have heard over and over they plan on doing something big this winter. They’re 100% going forward with the destruction of Ukraine and are bombing the fuck out of it. Stay strong Ukraine and fuck ‘em up >

If Russia wants peace talks and is genuine. Then pull out of Ukraine. But the biggest problem now is would they ever trust anything Putin says? >

LOL, a fart in the wind has more value than ANYTHING RuSSia demands, fuck Putin and Co!! >

How about "No". >

Yeah, because it's NATO instructors the problem and not the murdering fascist invading Russian army....
That are just trying to make it seems like conditions for peace talks are not meet in both sides... By inventing arbitrary requirements for the west, that have nothing to do with the root causes of the conflict.
When actually they can end it unilaterally at any time and nobody could prevent it. 
Russia, the only one who has to do something for this to end is you. And you can. Not wanting to is very different from not being able to. >

Russian diplomat delivers much needed comic relief. >

Russia should have continued to bolster ties with the west and eventually, especially now with the growing threat of China could have sought to join nato. Then they wouldn’t have to worry about huge amounts of border to protect >

Russia tried twice to join nato I believe and was turned down. >

It's not up to you, Ruzis. Who the hell do you think you are? King or emporor of the earth? No one will bow before you, other than your dogs Chinazi, NKzi and Iranzi. Oh yeah, if you dare to make NATO instructors leave, then welcome to try. >

I say Russia must leave Ukraine, including all Russias illegally occupied territories in Ukraine, which includes Crimea, before peace talks can start. Guess which one is more reasonable demand?