>

So why did he participate in a seditious coup?
Then they knowingly spread misinformation they even doubted ? Isn't that the worst case for them? 
Like, legally if they themselves believed it they'd be off the hook for a few charges right off. >

It sounds like they're going for the "this isn't news, it's entertainment" defense again. >

It is not even entertainment. It's just bullshit n lies.
The Fox Bullshit Factory. Pumping it out every night! >

It’s willfully false propaganda >

I’m just asking questions /s >

I’m just subverting democracy >

It’s weird, destroying the country ends the profit stream yet they keep throwing us that way, it’s ironic. >

Capitalists don’t care about the future. They do everything in their power to squeeze every penny out of every pocket possible right now. Sustainability is nothing when they can have their wealth today. >

It's the 'one sweety now, or two tomorrow' test that they do on kids. >

Foxnews should be sued to oblivion for the damage they have done to our democracy. >

I agree. I wonder how difficult of a case that would be to win? Fox "News" is a danger to our country to be sure. >

It was tried already.  Failed.  They argued they are ‘entertainment’ and won. >

I believe they said something to the effect that: "No reasonable person would believe that Mr. Hannity was being completely truthful" or something along those lines.
On a side note, does anyone remember the Tucker Carlson bit where he claimed that we were going to run out of diesel before Thanksgiving? >

it was Tucker Carlson and although the defense was argued it was not actually used in the decision. Actual Malice was the defence, I wish people would stop spreading this >

actual malice requires intention, right? So they argued they didn’t know and didn’t intend to cause harm? >

"Actual malice" is basically a complete disregard for truth. It's knowingly and willingly ignoring facts that refute the claims, or intentionally avoiding fact-checks.
It has nothing to do with wanting to cause harm. >

Isn't it exactly what Tucker Carlson does ? >

So you weren’t just gullible idiots, you knowingly lied and spread the disinformation… >

If FOX isn't news, it shouldn't be allowed in the Whitehouse Press Room. >

Amen.  Somehow a petition needs to be launched among Reddit users. >

But only Reddit Gold users >

I see what you did there >

In a well functioning democracy these people’s careers would be ruined. >

Even in a poorly functioning democracy. >

Now now, they exist inside a poorly functioning democracy so I guess that is the line. >

At this point, can we really be certain that it's not an oligarchy parading as a democracy? The capped and gerrymandered House is far from representative, the Senate represents land over people, the President is decided by a similar archaic process as our capped and gerrymandered House, the SCOTUS is compromised and impossible to correct, and our media is dictated by billionaires and their corporations. Things will probably be even more bleak by this time next month and I'm even more worried about how things look two years after that. I'm gonna still vote like it's a democracy, but the system is rigged to favor those who block and dismantle and oppress, so we need to overwhelm that loud minority that gets special treatment during election season, and that includes primaries. >

On the democracy index United States rank 26 as a "Flawed democracy".  There's no big economic countries which rank bellow the US and are still considered a democracy. 
Which means of the big first World democracies US are the worst based on the index. 
So you ain't an oligarchy but that over capitalistic and 2 party system avoid the country to really parade as a true democracy. >

If only we had a federal mechanism that oversees media and could set guidelines and rules for what is considered news versus what is entertainment. We could call it the federal communications group or board or something. >

Unfortunately the FCC has no jurisdiction over cable channels. >

Being that cable channels are the most dominant TV channels for spreading misinformation, that limitation seems archaic. >

Its a first amendment thing. Govt 'owns' the airwaves and leases out frequencies to radio/tv stations under conditions of regulation.
Cable/Internet are paid services wired directly to your home, that you can stop paying for at anytime if you want, so govt cant limit them without violating the first amendment of both broadcasters and viewers. >

I understand the rationale behind it but like any other product, produced by private companies, even movies, we can regulate if deemed harmful or not age-appropriate. If a product can be proven to cause a public health issue it can be regulated. Not saying it is a no-brainer. It would require some deep legal arguments to implement. >

Movie ratings are made by a private organization and are only effective because private theaters demand them on any films they choose to show. >

Correct. Movie ratings are not federal, they are voluntary. But Fox News wouldn’t volunteer to do anything that would reduce profits (like subject themselves to a rating agency) and a private rating or limiting party probably wouldn’t be able to enforce as needed. Trying not to be too side-tracked here from the point but thanks for the detail. >

I really don't care if they claim to have privately doubted.  They publicly supported. >

Only one thing. Dominion has said Fox News acted maliciously trying to ruin their company to raise their own ratings. So the fact that they are saying they knew they were lying actually aligns with dominions claim than if they claimed they really believed it. >

For the lawsuit, this is a firm and valid point. >

I wish Fox News would just shut up. They were caught in endless lies that got people killed. They are looking at a billion dollar law suit that is going to get probably a couple of them fired. Ticker can’t shut up about Putin and at one point had to stop because he almost admitted he was an asset. Murdoch is sacrificing small woodland creatures to keep himself breathing one more day. His heirs are showing they are probably going to tank the organization about two years after daddy does finally kicks it. I mean no matter what I wish Fox would just have the biblical reckoning they keep selling to their viewers. >

And they continued to spread it anyways? >

Of course. That how propaganda works. Factual truth is irrelevant. Winning is what matters. >

They already have their texts messages telling meadows to tell trump to calm the fuck down and then went on later that evening and blamed it on good ol’ antifa >

Speading lies.  These people have no honor. >

Thats not what they echoed to the public! Lying pieces of fucking garbage. >

They knowingly participated in the coup to overthrow the US government... The question should be: who were they working for? >

Probably the same people that benefit from a huge drop in corporate taxes >

I'll give Hannity credit for telling the truth under oath, because this testimony is very bad for Rupert Murdoch.
Of course, I think Hannity is garbage as a human being for shamelessly lying on his show. >

Giving credit for not lying under oath is like thanking me for not robbing a liquor store. >

Thank you! >

And yet that didn't stop them from peddling it, did it? >

Now that they're facing very real legal consequences for it, they sure did a quick 180! >

Then why didn’t you say that on the air like you are supposed to if you are a news reporter. >

And yet propagated those lies. >

Not an ounce of integrity within the whole damn company. >

" . . . but repeating those lies day in and day out was fine because we not a news organization, we're an entertainment organization!" >

Many Americans have shown they’re incapable of differentiating fact vs opinion or news vs entertainment. These “news” organizations should be required to give a disclaimer about what they are. This would cut down on parading as journalists every night and openly lying to their audiences but then claiming they can’t be taken seriously and any reasonable person knows the difference when they’re sued. There’s apparently far too many people that aren’t reasonable tuning into these programs based on that defense. The right can claim it’s “nanny state” stuff all they want, but they do too good a job of purposefully deceiving people and it’s clearly doing severe damage to the country. >

Before Reagan we had the "Fairness Act", which this country would greatly benefit from today.  Unfortunately, that's an aspect of the good ole' days that conservatives don't want to bring back, similar to the tax structure which helped build a prosperous middle class. >

Hear, fucking hear. The 90% top marginal tax rate is always conspicuously absent whenever these people talk about the glory days of the post-WWII mid-century economic boom. >

But they weren't honest enough to tell their viewers. >

There were people who listened to Fox "News" and  didn't get vaccinated and then they died from COVID. >

Fox will have to prove that "no 'reasonable' audience would believe their statements to be factual" while Dominion will easily prove that Fox's actual audience did believe their statements to be factual.
So Fox's argument will be that their actual audience is comprised of people who are not reasonable? >

To be fair that is the one rock solid truth here. >

Fox is banned on Canadian airwaves.   This is why. >

Gosh, I wish that were the case here! Good on Canada for using their brains and recognizing what Murdoch is all about! >

Yup. It's illegal to lie on the news in Canada. The US had the same thing called the fairness doctrine but Reagan ditched it in '87. >

God damned fucking Regan!!! >

Always Reagan >

The Regan-Murdoch relationship is not nothing >

I too had some doubts lmao
This doesn't come as a surprise. Everyone with an even minimally functional frontal lobe had this one figured out. It's a lie, not a misunderstanding. >

... because lying to their viewers is what they do best. >

Because they know their viewers are ignorant enough to believe it. >


Because they know their viewers ~~are ignorant enough~~ want to believe it.

FTFY >

This is why bullshit on the news or on twitter doesn’t fucking matter. Put these people on the stand and have them testify. All of a sudden the truth comes out. >

Even then they conveniently have memory issues >

Or catch a case of the FIF’. >

archived version >

But think about all the money they made! >

The funny thing is, they lie to their viewers but tell the truth under oath. But their viewers think they tell the truth on TV but lie under oath. >

Pieces of shit. Unamerican bastards. >

The people screaming fake news the loudest were the ones peddling in fake news the most. >

They doubted them? So they admitted to lying on the air everyday? >

Supporting him was actually satire like Comedy Central but they forgot to let everyone know. >

Hannity's "doubts" likely never arose during pillow talk time with TFG. >

Sounds like a slam dunk for Dominion then. >

Winning a defamation case is practically impossible. The fact that Dominion has gotten as far as it has is testament to how far FOX News has pushed the envelope of complete bullshit misinformation.
In the past FOX has managed to get out of defamation cases by arguing that their bullshit doesn't rise to the level of being believable by a reasonable person. This standard was established back in the 70s by the US Supreme Court in Falwell vs. Larry Flynt and Hustler Magazine.
Jerry Falwell was suing Hustler for running cartoons depicting him having sex with his mother in a woodshed behind the church, claiming that the cartoons defamed him. SCOTUS found, in a decision written by Scalia, that no reasonable person could actually believe Hustler was literally claiming that Falwell was banging his mother. 
FOX News has made this same claim in several cases -- that whatever bullshit they were pushing was not something any reasonable person would believe as being true. One judge even wrote in a decision that people who watched FOX must surely understand that they were watching entertainment that was not intended to be taken as news. 
Dominion's documentation of how much money they lost in cancelled contracts from customers citing the FOX stories, along with how much money they spent on security for their employees after an avalanche of death threats against them seem to have convinced this court that the Hustler standard might not apply in this case. >

It’s cute when human scumbags backpedal on their own words and actions once someone tries to sue them for billions of dollars. >

I think someone should make Billboards with this information and put them in Texas and Florida.. >

This is horrific! People died and others were arrested, lost their jobs and families, all because Fox News lied, for entertainment purposes. Someone starting with Rupert Murdoch and Sean Hannity have to be held accountable for all this. >

I used to think African media and politics was corrupt until I moved to America lol 🤣 >

Yeah doubted they’d work. if he had pulled it off, fox would have been fine with officially being official state tv. >

BUUUUT….continued to scream his false claims at every opportunity… >

I don’t care how FoxNews and their lawyers want to defend this behaviour, it’s extraordinarily dangerous to systematically brainwash an audience with lies and propaganda, and it needs to stop fucking asap. >

Hannity called Trump every day... Hannity lies. >

Burn them to the ground. >

they sure as hell didn’t say that on the air… >

I’m 99% sure that it’s safe to say FOXNews has  almost single handedly destroyed this country by the hate and division they spew 23 1/2 hours a day >

That's why they were founded, explicitly. >

Why are they allowed the "news" moniker if they intentionally create their stories out of thin air? How did that "court" not require them to change their name? If I'm not a doctor I can't call myself an MD without being sued for fraud and being charged with felony impersonation. >

A doctor needs a license and is accountable to many organizations that make a basis for legal action. The same is not true for Rupert Murdoch, he could call his cable tv station anything he wants. The History Channel used to be mostly WW2 documentaries until some asshole decided it would now be mostly sensationalized Ancient Aliens and whatever other nonsense gets the ratings. So, its not really history. >

I hope Murdoch gets sued into oblivion. Do to them what they did to Alex Jones. >

Reagan really fucked us with repealing the fairness doctrine >

How would the fairness doctrine have affected the internet? Because internet/social-media is what gave rise to this leviathan of first the “Tea Party” and then “MAGA”/“Trumpism.” Hardly any conservatives I know cite Fox News or cable media— it’s all podcasts and YouTube channels. >

It definitely would have helped - Fox News is on 24/7 for those wackos >

Fox news is a cable program and would not be subject to the fairness doctrine. >

This sounds to me like a potentially career-ending move on Hannity’s part.
I suspect that the various hosts think they’re doing the loyal thing by denying the fraud and their belief in it.  “Maybe we can get Fox off the hook by aligning our stories and we just all say it never happened.”
But what they’re actually, and perhaps unwittingly doing is throwing Fox and Murdoch under the bus.  Instead of “neither the network nor I ever believed any of this crap, it was only our guests stating their own opinions”…  they’re actually instead creating a we/they division with Fox.  “We all knew that the spin our network made us put on this was fake but we had to go along anyway.”  That casts a really bad light on Fox, and Hannity chose wording that makes it harder, tether then easier for Fox to wriggle out of this suit.
When you see it from that angle, they’re actually saying “fuck you, Fox.” >

The worst part about it is that half the country still believes Fox is the only trustworthy source of news.  Our country wouldn't be nearly as divided if not for that. >

Overseas, I have heard, military members often have two choices for English-speaking news: Armed Forces TV or Fox. Neither is exactly unbiased. >

Fox spins a lot of things.  Don’t watch ‘em.  Don’t trust ‘em.  Aren’t welcome in my house.  Wouldn’t give them a ride.  Wouldn’t feed them.  Other than that, just  try not to get stressed. >

If I go into a business and Fox News is on the TV, they will never get my money. >

And they repeated them anyway, for money. >


Trump's Fraud Claims

Ladies and gentlemen of reddit, let us set the record straight on history.
Donald J Trump, sitting president of the united states,  pointed his finger while on live, international television and said the election was rigged.
He used the word rigged with force and gusto, on television while the entire world was watching.
He DID NOT say  "We believe there was voter fraud in Arizona and Pennsylvania and we are going to look into that."        He said the election was rigged.      Every little tinpot dictator from South Sudan to Iran, to N Korea was watching. >

But please, keep telling us about how the “mainstream media” is propaganda. >

That always cracks me up how they all rail against the msm while eating all the bullshit Fox News spews out >

“It’s not lying if you believe it.” George costanza >

Jail murdoch he is a cancer on western democracy. Sprouting the big lie and promoting Russian talking points. Prosecute his mouth pieces tucker and hannity they are culpable and liable >

His US citizenship was fast-tracked to allow him to get around laws restricting foreign ownership of media corporations. And that was thanks in part to help provided by Newt Gringrich in exchange for lucrative book deal.
Murdoch is one nasty piece of work. >

Hannity was one of Trump’s closest shadow advisors. They coordinated together. >

Un-incarcerated co-conspirators. >

Rats on a sinking ship >

Ahh the “it was a joke” defense >

I would turn down $50 million if it meant my aging parents could return to the sweet, caring people they were before having their brain rotted by fox news. It’s destroyed my family. Fuck these rich assholes. >

Yet, they lied to America during Prime Time while calling it “news”.
Seems like this should be illegal. Especially since it led to a violent insurrection of the US Capitol on jan 6th.
FOX literally strategically claimed it was “Antifa” in the hours and days the followed the MAGA attempted coup of the US Capitol, knowing full well it was Trump and the GOP fomenting every aspect of the violence.
That should be punishable by long jail sentences. >

Or a short Wagnerian sledgehammer treatment. >

What time is it? CYA o'clock, already? >

Yea and I actually had the winning powerball ticket I just couldn't turn it in lmao >

This should be everywhere. It should ruin him >

My dad literally uses Tucker Carlson as a news source 🙃 >

I'm only trying to stir other republicans into committing lone wolf terrorist attacks and or starting a civil war where are my rights? /s >

Liars. I'll laugh when I meet them in hell. >

Well of course. 
FFS. 
Hannity, and many other pundits, especially the ones on Fox, are entertainers. They are not bound by the same journalistic standards as actual, respected journalists. 
Their only job is to make you tune in tomorrow. It just so happens, it's easy to do that when you destroy the very idea of expertise, make yourself the arbiter of what is "actual" news, and make your audience feel super smart. Make them wonder why others "just can't see it". 
They're clowns on TV. 
The very best pundits get so close to actual news that you realize it is actual news, but with just a lot of opining in the middle. I don't need that either. >

I still wish the Christian Science Monitor would start a streaming news service, but they've probably run the numbers and realize that they could never hope to even break even.
People don't watch TV for news, but to be entertained. NPR lives off of donations and government handouts, while CSM lives off of subscriptions. >

Russian State Media >

They sold out their country for ratings, sounds like treasonous scum to me. >

Why does no one talk about hannity’s hair. He has been brutally forcing a part in a weird spot for probably 40 years and it still looks like he uses epoxy to make it stay in place. >

You need to know how to choose your battles. I saw that writing on the wall a few years ago. No epoxy needed. >

Lock them up. The entertainment claim doesn't work any longer. Protect democracy. Fuck these traitors. >

Then they’re complicit, not mislead. 
Jail ‘‘em all. >

“A republic, if you can keep it.” >

Okay, but that's worse. >

Really…just “doubted” these brazen lies? They are all in on the scam, watching their ratings stay high from the daily duping of their gullible audience. >

Fox News is a clear and present danger to the security of the United States >

The Fox objective has never been to tell the MAGA crowd the facts but to tell them what they want to hear - that way the network maintains its ratings and advertising revenues and the Murdoch's and its stars continue their ability to pay their rents. >

It should be as simple as this: ‘Fox News’ is seen by it’s viewers as a ‘News Channel’. Therefore what the see on it is ‘News’. Therefore’Opinion Pieces’ are also seen as Factual. And Fox know this. Therefore the know they were spreading misinformation, not just ‘opinion’. The full force of the law should be brought against them and any other’News Channel’ that did the same. >

Liars.  They are absolutely lying and we have the tapes of them lying.  There are tapes of them speaking to Trump post election and agreeing with him and then spreading his message. >

Lincoln project needs to make commercials out of this deposition footage and run it on Fox News lol >

funny how there's not one post in the conservative subreddit ab this >

Fox News If Joseph Goebbels was alive he would approve us >

These guys are all spineless jerks, ready to flip on what idiotic thing they believe in instead of admitting wrong doing. >

Regulators should require Fox News to drop the “News” label and include an intro disclaimer to these shows like cigarette warnings. >

Then why did they keep broadcasting them , look what they caused in D.C. , and all over the country ???       SHAME ON THEM !!! >

So why didn't they convey those doubts to their viewers? Was this pro- Trump endorsement of his lies authorized or compelled by Fox News management? How far up the ladder do we need to go? The talking heads and the middle level Fox News management hopefully have the evidence. >

I can always tell what’s going on in a Fox News cycle based on what pops up when we accidentally breach the subject of politics with my parents. About a month ago, they were finally discussing propaganda in Russian Media. 
The irony. >

But.. but... but CNN iS fAkE nEwS.
In all seriousness, there needs to be legal ramifications for the double digit month long rhetoric these fucks peddled as NEWS. It's bullshit. There are too many susceptible people who are easily brainwashed by Fox into believing their talking heads are spewing factual information... >

Doubted it, which is they litterly had every imbred third cousin interviewed, screaching the election was stolen. 
And now they want to tell you it was just noise. >

Nobody believed it. It was just more anti-Americanism that they constantly spout. >

Oh, people believed it. 
June 18, 2022 Dan Crenshaw Confronted by Angry Republicans Tucker Carlson called Crenshaw "Eye Patch McCain" while he was criticizing the congressman over his support of funding for Ukraine amid Russia's ongoing invasion. >

Paywall, can we see what Papa-bear had to say? >

Cool, say what’s the penalty for knowingly pushing fake news anyway? >

So how's Lou Dobbs doing? 
Lol. >

They are going to be testifying in court in April for the Dominion lawsuit. It will be epic. >

Hannity said in court he did not believe Trump won, but can he say that on his show? >

Obviously, but that doesn't change their blind loyalty to that exact narrative. I suppose when you can get out of legal trouble by using the "what rational person could possibly take me seriously" defense, all bets are off... it's all about the ratings. >

Lying POS Trumphumpers! >

Rupert Murdoch is an enemy of the truth and the entire Fox empire should be dismantled. >

It's "cover your ass" time. >

Maybe, but you didn't doubt him on air when talking to him, did ya?  Fuckin' propagandists. >

And yet they still acted like it there was enough evidence to entertain the delusion. That despite their doubts and the lack of evidence they still gave it legitimacy and lead their viewers to believe a series of lies a falsehoods without issue. >

If these so-called “journalists” are knowingly spreading lies because it’s the politically expedient thing to do, we cannot wait any longer to develop some form of accountability, including an enforcement mechanism with teeth. 
We can’t sit idly by and let talking heads brazenly manipulate the masses for their own political interests, now that they’re so comfortable with their shtick they don’t even feel the need to hide it. 
Fox News told us years ago that they weren’t to be trusted to deliver the news on a factual basis because their shows aren’t in fact “news,” they’re “entertainment.” We’re now living the consequences of that stance being legitimized by the courts. >

Lying under oath is a crime still, isn't it? >

It's all tough talk until they have to testify. >

God, how fucking gross and cynical can you be.  Knowingly spewing manipulative lives for weeks and week because there is profit in it.  
How the hell is this company considered a “news” agency? >

They must be dumb, very dumb. Everybody knows Trump equals fraud. Every other world practically. He doesn’t follow thru on paying people either. Fraud >

Any chance they’ll legally be able to….claim victimhood some way, like saying they had to say what the network wanted them to, or their jobs could be at risk? >

Democracy is worth far more than a talking head’s job. >

Despicable >

Yet they kept promoting them. How tf does that work? >

They should face treason charges.  All of them. >

Not good enough.
To prison for aiding an assault on a sovereign government. >

Too late, motherfuckers. They're all collaborators. >

The judge is very fox friendly, allowing fox news to keep information under seal.. Dominion is not going to have an easy time proving its case, despite the headline >

Republican hypocrisy knows no shame >

Fuck Hannity, dudes a liar and grifter too. >

Fuck them. Destroying American democracy for money. >

Nothing says I’ve been a lying sack of shit like having to testify under oath with the threat of perjury hanging over your head. >

Not on air they didn’t. >

These guys aren't dumb. They just know that their followers are >

You KNOW this is what's going to upset Trump more than anything else >

Oh no, look how surprised we all are. This bombshell was completely unexpected. Are they implying that the ultra American patriots Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch were knowingly peddling lies to the American public? This is totally new and unexpected information. >

I think we, the American people, can bring a class-action suit against Fox, at this point. >

Come on guys, Trump doubted Trump's claims. Everyone knew it was a fraud (except those they conned), yet it doesn't stop them from parroting lies. >

Do you mean it was all a HOAX??   You are kidding me !!! >

I think most people give conservatives way more benefit of the doubt than they deserve. When even random conservative voters seem to be sustaining crazy cognitive dissonance, moderates will usually interpret it as idiocy. Unfortunately, I don't think conservative give a shit about consistency. When their leaders promote their obviously false bullshit, I believe it's because they all know that it forwards justification for their insane initiatives. Leaders of the movement will purposefully lie with intention to forward the agenda, and the followers don't give a shit if it's true or accurate as long as they believe it forwards their crazy agenda, or as long as they believe the leader is acting towards their mutual hateful initiatives. I really believe if anti-conservatives have a chance at resisting their bullshit, we need to stop treating them like idiots, and need to start acknowledging them as complicit, coconspiring agents of evil. Don't underestimate them. >

The Dominion suit goes to court in April.  It  only matters what they said on air. >

Can this be used by the voting machine company who is suing Fox as evidence they knew they were telling lies about the election being stolen? >

I'm shocked! Oh wait, my finger is in a power outlet. >

And yet hyped and repeated them >

Of course. These clown dump their stances at the slightest trouble. 
They’ll hide with “we are entertainment company” while in the same time spreading toxic shit. >

Hannity has the haircut of a Lego figure. >

He also has the brains of a (one peg) Lego piece >

Every man and woman for himself >

Dont get how this is a defense......