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They knew what they were signing up for
gonna do wonders for morale, and everyone knows that having severely injured comrades to look after and carry around massively increases a units combat effectiveness >

Isn't this just another miserable Russian War? It feels like all of thier wars are like that, a large number of deaths in depressing circumstances, they never had good enough tech to match the west and just threw a ton of numbers in thier wars. >


erable Russian War? It feels like all of thier wars are like that, a large number of deaths in depressing circumstances, they never had good enough tech to match the west and just threw a

Sounds like Enemy at the Gates was more accurate than some people want to admit - and shows what is still the pinnacle of modern Russian tactics. >

God, no. Enemy at the Gates was extremely inaccurate in almost every aspect. Ww2 historians loathe the movie for a reason.
The blocking detachments, low ammo/rifles, human waves in 1943 was largely all bullshit (blocking detachments in Stalingrad were used as regular combat units, the Russians were outnumbered and needed fighters not political cops)
By Stalingrad the soviets actually had good battle doctrine and skills. They weren't the messy red army of 1941. Post war and post soviet union it absolutely decayed due to corruption and financial woes. >

My point is that the Russian army today is nothing like the 1943 red army >

true - seems like they were much more organized back then :) >

They're being sent back because they are expected to die for Putin. This is no longer a war, it's become a mass sacrificial ritual. >

Just like in WW2 - throwing millions of men into the meat grinder to try and defeat the Nazis. >

Minus the existential threat to their home and lives. It's a totally voluntary and pointless sacrifice this time around. >

Minus American-UK lend-lease and an enemy fighting a western front. >

I have a feeling that if it weren’t for the USA in WWII, Russia would not exist right now. >

Indeed. Certainly not if Patton had his way. >

What did he want? >

Patton wanted to push on through Germany and directly attack the Russian forces to drive them out of Eastern Europe.
He also proposed arming and mobilizing the German prisoners the US had taken up to that point  to aid in that >

Churchill was a strong advocate for this too. They were prolly right. >

That would've been a huge waste of lives for the allied powers...
Patton and Churchill had their places, but they were happy to sacrifice millions for their own glory.
Going to war with the Soviets would've been the dumbest shit ever. >

Russia doesn't care about their men, especially the mobilized. Those guys were forced to go invade a neighbor. It's regrettable there weren't mass protests inside Russia over that. >


They need to be isolated and contained for the good of the world.

I feel this way as well - no one will be safe unless they are defanged and contained. >

I had no idea the Russians are actually they way they are until this war. >

Eastern Europe has been telling everyone for the past 30 years. >

Yes, yes they(you?) have... >

Crazy the amount of downvotes you arw getting on a seemingly innocent comment, am I missing something? >

I have NO EFF'ING idea what is going on here.
Was I supposed to disagree?
NFI. >

Russia has a military medical commission? 
I'd love to see what a cluster fuck of a shitshow that joint would be >

"slap a tampon on it and get back out there!" >

And demoted to Private 16th class for getting injured in the first place! >

I also think there's a huge shortage of doctors in Russia, even medics in their army apparently. Brain drain related I'm sure. Reminiscent of after all the intellectual purges of Stalinist Russian. >

all ~~been pushed~~ accidentally fell out of windows after criticising the regime. >

Haha. Nono, those are the rich oligarchs whose opposition is more dangerous. A lot of the educated ones are just leaving the country, for some reason. 😉 >

There was a bit of an epidemic of defenestration amongst Russian doctors during the height of the covid pandemic: complaining about the lack of PPE, questioning hospital administrators on policy, suggesting the numbers for Russia were unrealistically low, were all early symptoms of the disease.. >

Ah I didn't know that. Makes sense. >

Anyone seen the mobilised being beaten by Chechens because they dragged back one of their wounded?
Russians are fucked in so many ways. >

Yeah, they don't seem to be very civilized - at least their Government isn't very civilized.
Hell, maybe the People aren't either🤷
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I feel so bad for the Russian people.
No one hates them more then their own government, going back throughout history the Russians have always gotten the short end of the stick.
Crap, corrupt governments ruling with an iron fist. >

Completely agreed.
The start of this war pushed me to study in depth a little more the history of Russia, and the short of it is that Russia is a country that has been oppressed by their own for centuries.   
There have been fleeting moments where Russians had the opportunity to escape oppression, but all in all it has just been centuries of one boot to the next on the throats of the Russian people, while those wearing the boot get to prosper, lavishly. >

Yet, they seem to love the boot. At least some do who hole the rest back. A lot seem to think a rough life is the right way. It's bizarre. >

they dont - they just learned to not talk back and enjoy the few amenities that grants >

Ah yes, the 'why clean it if it's just going to get dirty again?' approach to... ...removing shrapnel. >

First thing injured soldiers sent back to front line is to contact Ukrainian hotline to surrender. >

Right? Might actually get to recover. >

It doesn't matter if your cannon fodder is already injured. They just have to soak up bullets. >

They intend to recycle the lead to sell back to the west afterwards. >

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)


Russian soldiers who have been severely injured in the war in Ukraine are being sent back to the frontline without approval from the military medical commission, a report showed.
Two Russian servicemen who were receiving treatment for severe lung wounds were told by their commanders that they would be sent to the battlefield again instead of the medical commission, a report by independent news outlet Agentstvo said, citing Valentina Melnikova, executive secretary of the Soldiers' Mothers Committee.
In another case outlined by the outlet and translated by the independent news website Meduza, several Russian soldiers with shrapnel wounds were sent to the combat zone, even if the shrapnel had not yet been removed.


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Putin: Look at me, I am your doctor now. >

Are their hospitals actually so full that they can't take any more wounded, so instead of sending them home in failure, they're just sending them back to the front to die....? >

Just say Putin and Russian politicians, otherwise it sounds like you're trying to "both sides" it. People are cheering dead Russians because they're illegally invading Ukraine and committing countless atrocities and war crimes. Ukraine has no choice but to fight to the death because Russia can never be trusted with a peace treaty so, yeah, every dead Russian is a chance for Ukraine to get through this. Would you tell people not to cheer for the deaths of Nazis in WWII? Probably not. >

What stuck out to me was the disparity in the number of Russian deaths the article reported from one source and what Ukraine has been claiming. It's a huge difference. >

US intelligence thinks the Russian death toll is 100,000 "killed and wounded".  There's reason to think that the Russian dead-to-wounded ratio is around 1:5 (US would be at least 1:10, because of body armor, advanced medical care, etc.  The historic ratio is 1:3 in most wars). 
A Russian website has over 10,000 confirmed deaths, mostly by visiting cemeteries and culling social media posts.  But the Russian military is widely believed to be hiding large numbers of dead soldiers, and the Ukrainians have reported having large numbers of Russian bodies in freezers that the Russians won't take back.
So, with all that, it's reasonable to assume the Russians have lost around   20,000 dead and 80,000-100,000 wounded, as a very conservative number.
I suspect it's a bit higher, just based on the ferocity of the fighting.  Maybe 30k Russian dead and 90,000-120,000 wounded, but I'd be surprised if it's any more than that.
The Ukrainian numbers are pure propaganda.  If they have accurate numbers, they're likely multiplying them by 3.
The really important number isn't the dead, it's the wounded.  Dead soldiers don't consume resources. 100,000 wounded soldiers is a massive drain on the system, especially during a pandemic.  It also represents a huge loss of institutional ability.  Officers, specialists and other critical personnel who take a long time to train up. >

What a load of BS.. wouldn't be surprised if 10,000 Russian soldiers die in Bakhmut alone.. >

Tis but a scratch!”No,it’s shrapnel and my leg is broken!”Have some vodka and walk it off,,,oh sorry,we’re out of vodka. >

These are the soldiers that didn’t have enough money to bribe the commission to get the “approval”.  There’s a video in one of the Ukrainian subs where a nurse is threatening to sign him as combat-ready if he doesn’t pay her. >

...that sounds about right haha. >

Let them do it. Good news >

This is sad and cruel. Especially when they weren't in the army voluntarily in the first place. >

They can always fight their oppressive regime. They’ll die regardless, so you might as well die fighting the actual evil, and not murdering innocent people in Ukraine. >

Lookin REAL GOOD Vlad… Real good.