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Finley and Cadigan were arrested on January 9 and charged with first-degree murder, court documents show. 

Doesn't a first degree charge require premeditation or require a knowledge that what you were doing would result in death? I could see a manslaughter charge here, but first-degree murder? That'll be a tough sell to a jury.
It is a clearly stated rule in EMS that no patient is to be restrained in thr prone position and it has been so for a decade. Presumably this is because enough folks died just like this.
They used to "sandwich" combative patients between 2 backboard until that also was a no-no. >

It seems like common sense you'd never strap people down like that.  Not an EMT, I just think instinctually that's not what a reasonable person would do. >

The only thing I (the furthest person from being a medical professional) could think make me want to lay someone prone is to ensure they don't choke themselves on potential vomit.
But there are certainly better ways to mitigate that than strapping someone face down in an ambulance. >

You want to position somebody on their side for that. And as a medic if that is something you are concerned about during transport, we have interventions we could do to prevent that. Like suctioning or if we are really really concerned we would intubate.  None of their decisions had anything to do with patient safety. >

According to the coroner’s autopsy report, Moore died of “compressional and positional asphyxia due to prone facedown restraint on a paramedic transportation cot/stretcher by tightened straps across back and lower body in the setting of lethargy and underlying chronic alcoholism.” >

Why TF would they strap him down in the prone position? >

To kill him? They knew better.  That is why they were charged with murder. >

Everyone would know better. This is just depraved indifference. They honestly deserve more charges. How absolutely awful to be treated like a piece of garbage while you are experiencing a medical emergency and then have those tasked to help you be the ones to kill you. Truly abhorrent. >


They honestly deserve more charges.

They are being charged with first degree murder.  That's the most serious charge possible.  They could get life in prison if convicted of that.  What more would you suggest? >

throw in jay walking and tax evasion maybe? >

Paramedic here- you almost never transport a patient in the prone position, barring very rare traumatic injuries that require a different patient position. They also tightened the straps on the cot way beyond a necessary amount. They were frustrated and taking it out on the patient. They also “burrito’d the patient with the blanket (not an unusual thing, but never in the prone position) and clearly had no intention of getting any vitals during transport. All in all, they made horrible decisions that resulted in a man dying and they deserve to be held accountable. >

Ex paramedic here. Have I yelled at someone to walk? Absolutely. After a assessment when my medical judgement is that they can physically walk, but they’re choosing not to. Paramedics deal with all subsections of society, including people that crave attention and try to make things purposely hard. I’m not injuring my back for someone that can walk but chooses not to in order to be difficult. 
That said, I have not and would NEVER put someone prone (facedown) on a stretcher. That’s an idiot move, and I’m not surprised the person died. Positional asphyxia is a real thing, and I’ve even had yelling matches with cops who demanded they be able to restrain a patient face down on my stretcher. My stretcher, my ambulance, my rules. All patients on their back. 
These two killed the person because of their incompetence. >

That EMS woman seems like a miserable cunt. >

And apparently misery ages you, as the CNN article lists her as only 44.
I mean, I hate to be yet another catty person on the internet, but that made me double take. >

Fuck. When I stopped drinking, I was hallucinating and had delirium tremens to the point I couldn't even stand up. For them to try and force him to walk and saying you're not "in the mood for this dumb shit" then you're in the wrong profession. When they took me to the hospital they helped me on the gurney and had to strap me down due to the involuntary movement / jerking of my body. 
Fuck this gave me anxiety just reading it. >

EMTs and paramedics deal with so many people who abuse the system.  While working security I happened upon a lady sitting on the sidewalk screaming that she needed an ambulance.  I called, and when they got there they knew her by name and made her get up and walk over to the rig.  Of course they didn’t strap her face down to the gurney.  And I saw plenty of other instances of police/fire/medical arriving, seeing who the person was they were called for, rolling their eyes at the complaints and being rather terse with the person.  But they still followed protocols and treated the patient. >

"Frequent Flyers" >

"Super abusers" is another one. 
Here's from Fresno County CA

When the issue sprang into the media spotlight 2012, the top 50 users of the ambulance service in Fresno County took more than 4,300 trips in a year. >

Hadn't heard that one before.
That's pretty egregious.....and gross.
I would loathe myself doing that. >

“I’m seriously not in the mood for this dumb shit” what dumb shit? Your job? Well looks like you won’t have to worry about it anymore. 
Fuckin hell.