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Nothing America loves more than individual benefit resulting in social costs.
Heavy EVs are not it. Aside from the weight, also concerning is battery efficiency. You could power four ev sedans (and hundreds of e-bikes or scooters) for how much lithium you’re putting in a hummer >

The new hummers are basically a road legal cruise missile driven by soccer moms. >

I had a t-shirt in high school that said “I love ❤️ soccer moms” but the heart was a soccer ball. I wore it too my friends soccer game, and she was pissed. Got a couple of looks, from the moms though. >

A friend’s band made a T-shirt with the black power fist in green and the words around it were “Fist me I’m Irish” >

I thought it was gonna have something to do with the Hulk before I finished reading the sentence. >

Hulk fist me, I'm Irish.... >

It’s fits if you try hard enough… >

I used to work a job that involved us managing our state’s traffic equipment, and my boss and I discussed a few times how things like guardrails, concrete barriers, and impact attenuators aren’t even close to designed to handle the weight and different center of gravity of a fully electric car. >

that is what this article is getting at.  People do not realize how different EVs are.  They just think that because they have the same form factor and still have a pedal and wheels, they're the same.
We're going to be hearing "oh wow, I didn't realize the differences" for decades. >

They mentioned the Fire F-150 Lightning is about one ton heavier that combustion engine (ICE) model. 
That is a lot of moving metal. >

My father in law said people up by him (in the rural mountainous frontier) are eyeballing these as home battery/generators for when their power goes out. I guess, whatever works, but this strikes me as a funny/sad way to sell America on getting away from fossil fuels. >

Texas loves trucks, and Texas loves power grids that fail during inclement weather. Match made in heaven. >

I wonder what Texans driving EV Hummers will do when the grid fails and they can't charge their glorified shipping containers. >

The idea is that, for the first couple of days of a power outage, your huge ass EV can power your home. >

Wait they are only worried about this now? The 5k+ pound and high ride height SUVs and trucks before weren't a hazard to us people that want to drive small, efficient cars? The years I drove a miata it was always in the back of my mind that one of these country bros with their lifed f250s would just roll straight over my car in an accident and probably decapitate me. Doesn't help that they drive like shit and speed and tailgate constantly. But apparently a low 2100lb car vs a 3 ton lifted truck wasn't dangerous, it's the extra battery weight that is finally making people concerned. Got it.
Whole point of this rant, commercial vehicles require a special license, motorcycles require a special license, but anyone can pick up a huge vehicle with almost no experience driving, IDK why vehicles over a certain size don't require a bit more training, or at least stuff like the driving test should be in that kind of vehicle, most people don't have a need for that large of a car but the reason is always "makes me feel safer" sure but then it's just a race to whoever has the most tank of a car. There is a huge push in America to have the biggest vehicle and it's completely unnecessary when most people would be fine with a mid size sedan or a coupe. We have 3 kids, we have an Impreza, it is fine. >

I'll go one step further. Lifted trucks should not be street legal. Full stop.
You want an off-road vehicle? Keep it off the road.
My family did 3 kids in a Corolla growing up. It was not a traumatic experience. And it's still pretty typical for most places in the world. >

Passenger cars worldwide have to comply with all kinds of safety regulations for pedestrian crashes. Meanwhile Bubba can slam into my ribcage with his sheer vertical bumper whereas a pedestrian can mostly roll off the hood of a modern sedan in a mild collision.
No one can figure out how pedestrian and overall traffic deaths have ticked up since ~2010 when every family car started to turn into a truck or SUV. Keep in mind the median age of a car on the road is about 10 years, and from 1975 through now, the total miles traveled per year has increased substantially while deaths mostly decreased. >

At some point in the future the world will consist of Leafs and '55 Fords in a freeway battle royale. >

Yall need some fuckin trains >

Problem with Amtrak isn't it's government funding, it's more the lack of priority over freight. Legally Amtrak does have priority over freight, but the freight companies just ignore the law because the justice dept doesn't do anything to enforce it.
Due to this, Amtrak can't consistently be on time and they regularly have delays of 5+ hours. >

Here, the entire article, maybe read it?
US official warns of risks posed by heavy electric vehicles
By TOM KRISHER
yesterday
FILE - Jennifer Homendy of the National Transportation Safety Board speaks during a news conference, Oct. 3, 2019, in Windsor Locks, Conn. On Wednesday, Jan. 11, 2023, Homendy, the chairwoman of the National Transportation Safety Board, said she is concerned about the risk that heavy electric vehicles pose if they collide with lighter vehicles. (AP Photo/Chris Ehrmann, File)
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DETROIT (AP) — The head of the National Transportation Safety Board expressed concern Wednesday about the safety risks that heavy electric vehicles pose if they collide with lighter vehicles.
The official, Jennifer Homendy, raised the issue in a speech in Washington to the Transportation Research Board. She noted, by way of example, that an electric GMC Hummer weighs about 9,000 pounds (4,000 kilograms), with a battery pack that alone is 2,900 pounds (1,300 kilograms) — roughly the entire weight of a typical Honda Civic.
“I’m concerned about the increased risk of severe injury and death for all road users from heavier curb weights and increasing size, power, and performance of vehicles on our roads, including electric vehicles,” Homendy said in remarks prepared for the group.
The extra weight that EVs typically carry stems from the outsize mass of their batteries. To achieve 300 or more miles (480 or more kilometers) of range per charge from an EV, batteries have to weigh thousands of pounds.
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Some battery chemistries being developed have the potential to pack more energy into less mass. But for now, there’s a mismatch in weight between EVs and smaller internal combustion vehicles. EVs also deliver instant power to their wheels, making them accelerate faster in most cases than most gas-powered cars, trucks and SUVs.
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Homendy said she was encouraged by the Biden administration’s plans to phase out carbon emissions from vehicles to deal with the climate crisis. But she said she still worries about safety risks resulting from a proliferation of EVs on roads ands highways.
“We have to be careful that we aren’t also creating unintended consequences: More death on our roads,” she said. “Safety, especially when it comes to new transportation policies and new technologies, cannot be overlooked.”
Homendy noted that Ford’s F-150 Lightning EV pickup is 2,000 to 3,000 pounds (900 to 1,350 kilograms) heavier than the same model’s combustion version. The Mustang Mach E electric SUV and the Volvo XC40 EV, she said, are roughly 33% heavier than their gasoline counterparts.
“That has a significant impact on safety for all road users,” Homendy added.
The NTSB investigates transportation crashes but has no authority to make regulations. For vehicles, such authority rests largely with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
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Even apart from EVs, the nation’s roads are crowded with heavy vehicles, thanks to a decadelong boom in sales of larger cars, trucks and SUVs that’s led to extreme mismatches in collisions with smaller vehicles. But electric vehicles are typically much heavier than even the largest trucks and SUVs that are powered by gasoline or diesel.
Michael Brooks, executive director of the nonprofit Center for Auto Safety, said he, too, is concerned about the weight of EVs because buyers seem to be demanding a range of 300 or more miles per charge, requiring heavy batteries.
Setting up a charging network to accommodate that may be a mistake from a safety perspective, Brooks said.
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“These bigger, heavier batteries are going to cause more damage,” he said. “It’s a simple matter of mass and speed.”
Brooks said he knows of little research done on the safety risks of increasing vehicle weights. In 2011, the National Bureau of Economic Research published a paper that said being hit by a vehicle with an added 1,000 pounds increases by 47% the probability of being killed in a crash.
He points out that electric vehicles have very high horsepower ratings, allowing them to accelerate quickly even in crowded urban areas. “People are not trained to handle that type of acceleration. It’s just not something that drivers are used to doing,” Brooks said.
Also, many newer electric SUVs are tall with limited visibility that poses risks to pedestrians or drivers of smaller vehicles, he said.
Sales of new electric vehicles in the U.S. rose nearly 65% last year to 807,000 — about 5.8% of all new vehicle sales. The Biden administration has set a goal of having EVs reach 50% of new vehicle sales by 2030 and is offering tax credits of up to $7,500 to get there. The consulting firm LMC Automotive has made a more modest prediction: It expects EVs to make up one-third of the new-vehicle market by 2030. >

EVs are going to be a future generation problem and it's sad that the US is going to push mass adoption anyways. Apart from the heft (what kind of road wear are these hummers going to do as well?), the amount of material needed to be mined to produce these vehicles is going to surpass current vehicles. Lithium mines aren't using EV equipment.
Also the power required to charge these batteries has to come from somewhere. I don't see fossil fuel use reducing enough over the next couple decades without significant investment in nuclear technology.
Mass transit should be the focus. Not 9000lb Hummers. >

While I agree with you on the subject of where we should put our focuses, there will need to be a more holistic transition for how to handle the problem of the commute. I myself require a personal vehicle to get to work: cheap housing isn’t available in the city I work in, and my work hours do not coincide with public transit hours.
The subject of “where the electricity comes from” is also a bit of a misdirection. Power plants generate electricity at scale, and do so more efficiently than internal combustion engines. Additionally, they’re are green energy plants on the grid: solar, wind, and hydro, which in my state produces the majority (not plurality: 70%) of state power. So from a purely electrical source perspective, it’s simply not true to say that switch from Combustion to Electric will simply shift the source of carbon dioxide. 
Your comment on Lithium mines is something I can’t refute or support due to lack of personal research, but I agree with you on principle. >

Thanks for an informative reply. Solar, wind, and hydro also require more manufacturing and mining than nuclear. I still don't see those as long term viability. They are definitely an important part of power diversity, however. I just don't see them as "sustainable" sources of future energy, either.
The upgrades that are going to be required by electric grids is also a fast approaching problem, I know this first hand. Very large portions of the power grid are not ready for increased demand and production. That's more manufacturing, production, and consumption. Those are significant drivers of pollution. >

Please don't fall into the oil industry propaganda trap of pitting nuclear and renewables against each other. We need both, and in abundance, if we're to meet the coming challenges.
Yes, the grid needs a lot of work but that's okay - we know how to do that. We don't need new technology there, just the political will to build what's necessary. Good use of local renewables should reduce the number of needed transmission lines in a lot of places, which will take the edge off when deployed at scale. >

On my way home from work today, I need to make a right turn, cross two lanes of 55 mph traffic to get into a left turn lane. I pull up to the stop, am at the stop line, while waiting for traffic to clear some basic bitch soccer mom in her monster Lincoln Navigator she doesn’t need, who’s bottom of the door windows was higher than the roof of my civic pulls up to the left turn, beyond their stop line and becomes a wall that I can’t see through, therefore 6 pissed off drivers behind me piled up as I helplessly wait for the wall to take their god damn left turn during rush hour for 5 minutes. I wasn’t about to blindly pull out onto a 55 mph road when I can’t see the traffic coming my way. I tried to signal to get her to back the fuck up but they can’t be bothered.
Not everyone needs an SUV that large, especially if they can’t drive responsibly.
When my eye level is at your front bumper and my car is factory height, that’s terrifying. >

That was a point made back in the early SUV craze. “Giant steel box and massive engine to move about a 150 pound person” or such. >

Yeah it was a legitimate problem. Then we "solved" it by everyone buying an SUV. >

Lol Is this for real? A full-size truck doesn't need to be electric to be dangerous. Many electric cars' batteries are located in a low spread center, allowing for the front to be a much better energy absorbing area in the event of an impact. Yikes. >

The definition of stupid: Hummer ownership >

NICE HUMMER...Sorry about your penis. >

Point no. 1: How much in kickbacks had this lady received from big oil?
Point no. 2: I'd like to invite her to south Louisiana where Mexicans will tow two vehicles behind their shitty truck in order to part out in Mexico. THAT is a heavy payload... With zero licenses, registrations, tags, or permits. >

Point 2 sounds like a lack of law enforcement. >


GMC Hummer weighs about 9,000 pounds (4,000 kilograms)

They are using a Hummer to say that EVs are too heavy?
What about pointing out that road tanks that are primarily used to get to the mall and back are the real issue? >

Teslas are extremely heavy, I can only imagine what a bigger vehicle would weigh. >

I recommend changing lanes when you see a heavy vehicle behind you while driving. 
Someone else can explain why they can turn your car into a pancake during a sudden stop >

If you can. My last car got totaled when I was stopped a red light because some jerk in a giant truck wasn’t paying attention and rearended me at full speed (which pushed my car into the intersection). >

So maybe force automakers to design efficient vehicles instead of just adding more batteries to get the range? >

Emissions Standards... future style! >


I’m concerned about the increased risk of severe injury and death for all road users from heavier curb weights and increasing size, power, and performance of vehicles on our roads, including electric vehicles,” Homendy said in remarks prepared for the group.

She actually was talking about all larger vehicles, not just EV. >

It’s almost like we should investing in public transit systems that would lower emissions, eliminate traffic, and make cities safer. 🤔 >

Blasphemy! Where is the corporate profit in that!  /S >

probably idk... General Electric? they make cargo trains
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if they could make money making people trains they'd have already bribed your "elected leader" to win a big contract to light-railify american cities >

lets play the game of count trucks with empty load, i am sure those 4.5k lbs trucks have no risk at all! >

Id just feel bad for them getting fucked by some tool in the 9000 pound hummer shoving all 1000 horsepower up their ass, or maybe I’m just mad 90% of commuter truck drivers suck on tailpipes for fun at 80+ mph >

This sounds like an ad for EV: powerful, fast acceleration, and guaranteed safety (for the EV driver) during a collision (at the expense of everyone else).