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Aw, no, I’m not saying both sides are extreme. I’m thinking more it would be fun if the extremists were gone.
Every time I read his name it feels like it’s  always in a sentence
I wouldn’t expect >

I swear headlines about him seem like heel and face turns so often he might be the Tasmanian Devil >

Weeeelllllllllllll well it's ~~the Big Show~~ Erdogan!!!!!!! >

It is inhumane and un-Islamic,” Erdogan said while addressing an international conference on ombudsmanship in Ankara.
“There is no such thing in our religion. No one should define any ban like that based on Islam. Islam does not accept such a thing. On the contrary, we are members of a religion that says 'seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave'.
The Taliban government last month first decided to suspend university education for women, and later issued an outright ban on education for women. However, some girls' schools have remained open.
Since the Taliban returned to power in Afghanistan in the summer of 2021, residents, elders and religious leaders in the country and abroad have challenged its claims that restricting education and work for women is permissible in Islam.
However, the Islamic Emirate says it does have support among Muslim scholars from other countries.
On Wednesday, Turkey initiated an extraordinary meeting of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), which called on the Afghan interim government to review its ban on women's education and working in educational and non-government organisations.
The OIC also decided to send a religious delegation led by the International Islamic Fiqh Academy (IIFA) to emphasise that women's and girls' access to all levels of education, including university level, is a fundamental right in keeping with the teachings of the “noble Islamic shariah. 
Erdogan said the Turkish foreign ministry as well as himself "will personally follow up on" the state of women's education in Afghanistan and would not leave it unchecked. 
Turkey is operating 80 schools in Afghanistan through its state-funded Maarif Foundation. 
MEE understands that the Taliban briefly closed 14 Turkish primary girls-only schools last month. Turkish authorities later managed to re-open girls-only primary schools and are currently trying to re-open the girls' high schools later this year by assigning female-only staff and operating the schools in different buildings than the male ones. 
One person familiar with the issue said Taliban officials had not imposed a blanket ban on primary and high-school female education.
They added that the way the authorities impose the ban depends on different provincial laws and the judgement of senior education officials.
Turkey remains the only Nato country to have a functioning embassy in Kabul after the Taliban takeover in August 2021. 
In September 2021, just weeks after the Taliban seized control of Kabul, the group refused to allow girls to resume high school education. Touted as a temporary decision, the return to school has been repeatedly delayed.  
In August, Middle East Eye reported that scores of female Afghan students were prevented by the Taliban from boarding a flight to Qatar, where they had sought to continue their studies. 
Several Taliban leaders have sent their own daughters to schools and universities abroad, particularly in Qatar, leading to frequent accusations of double standards. >

While it doesn't excuse anything, and I'm skeptical whether it will actually make a difference or not;
Small steps. I'm ever so slightly impressed. I expect that feeling to last for about 3 minutes. >

You guys obviously live in developed countries :D >

Sometimes it’s nice to hear one of the psychos say something closer to rational. >

This guy's an embodiment of RNG. >

Real life mad lib >

Flip a coin, every time. >

Erdogan is speed running his telenovela good/evil personality changes.
One day,dressed in black with a mustache twirl. Next, dressing in white, rescuing puppies from crocodiles. >

Third day, killing crocodiles. >

That's Bob Katter's job >

Man Turkey is the most chaotic neutral country ever. 
You never know what side they will take on some issue. 
It's like rolling a d20 >

Thats Erdogan for you. He doesn’t believe in anything at all. He’s an opportunist, and a populist, and his stance on anything is subject to change. That being said, saying you should allow women education isn’t very controversial. >

I feel like he wants to rebuild the center of Islamic power around Turkey and be his own fashion of Ottoman Sultanate. >

truth to be to told, Islam really needs more moderate people. >

Erdogan is not a moderate.
He’s reversed almost every single secular law in Turkey in favour of Islamic ones. >

But at least he wants women to get an education. Probably separated from men, but still >

Only as long as it suits his agenda. >

Not sure why people are surprised. Women are actually free to go to the university in Turkey. Afghanistan Taliban is just hella backwards by every standard. >

Considering the ever more authoritarian government in Turkyie it's just nice to see that not everything is bad. >

This is just the European propaganda machine because they don't like Turkish foreign policy. They call them authoritarian so they can sanction the shit out of them. In Turkey people drink, take drugs, fuck around party like in any other country. Women can do whatever the fuck they want. There's just a big disconnect just like in the US with rural areas and large city populous. Most Conservatives in the US live in rural areas just like in Turkey and support batshit crazy things like pro-life and shit. It's just that nobody really cares about the progressive half of Turkey thanks to media coverage. It'll be funny if the Democrats lose the next election. I expect the same sanctions and media coverage for the US, but that wont happen bc money. >

Erdogan is called authoritarian, which he is, not the Turkish people. Nothing propaganda about that >

Him being authoritarian have nothing to do with women's rights or other stuff like that but Turkey bad narrative on every topic makes uneducated people in west think this is a hot take.    
Turkey is one of the first countries to give women right to vote. There is nothing surprising about what Erdogan said but a lot of people here is surprised. >

So what, do you expect every single person to keep up o rverything that ever happened anywhere? I know turkey had been pretty good in terms of equality, but things that already are don't make the news. When they threaten to attack their NATO allies it does. >


So what, do you expect every single person to keep up o rverything that ever happened anywhere? I

What kind of excuse is this? If you don't have the knowledge about certain topics, you should stfu and stop using buzz words or spread misinformation. >

Ah yes because you only speak about things you are an expert in? As long as people don't claim to be an expert they aren't why do you even care if they speak about things. It's not like what was said was wrong, Erdogan is authoritarian, no misinformation in there >

You're literally justifying the thought process of covid deniers and MAGA supporters lmao >

No, having opinion on things is not bad. It becomes a problem once you don't listen to reason anymore >

Taliban ban >

There ain't no ban like a Taliban ban >

Ain’t no ban like a taliban >

Your account has been talibanned >

Damn, you know you fucked up when erodgan is calling you out lmao. >

Inhuman is a better term >

Yes, 100%, but.. Taliban don't consider "inhuman" a necessarily bad thing. On the other hand, their only claim to legitimacy as a group is being Islamic - hence their ban on opium and boy-rape. So accurately calling this as un-Islamic bears a lot more relevance in this context. >

It's worth noting that while the Taliban call themselves Islamic, their sect, called Wahabi, is not recognized by any other sect of Islam. The ideology of Wahabis violates several major rules of Islam. The largest offense has been their attempts to force Islam on others, which is explicitly forbidden in Islam.
Wahabis believe Muslims have not taken the religion seriously enough, and the two groups seek to destroy each other. Actual Muslims staunchly and violently resist these Wahabi groups. The distinction is critical, and real Muslims hate the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and ISIS even more than NATO does. >

Let them fight! >

You say that as if average Muslims are also the bad guys here, even though the whole point is that they reject extremism in Islam and are inherently enemies with the terrorist groups who launch violent attacks against everyone >

They “reject extremism” while stoning women for adultery and hanging atheists and everyone who leaves Islam. That’s not rejecting extremism. >

Who does that? The average Muslim? You ever been to an average Muslim country? Or even met an average Muslim? Because I’m Muslim. I know plenty of Muslims. Not one of them has ever done or even supports what you just described. I don’t know a single Muslim man who forces women to wear hijabs. I know just as many Muslim women who choose to wear hijabs as I know who don’t, and no one says a word to them about it because no one cares - because the Quran tells us we can’t compel others to follow Islam, and that people’s deeds are generally between them and God. It tells us it’s not our business what other people do or believe as long as they’re not hurting anyone. We’re all supposed to mind our own business as far as religion goes and just get along with each other. Ans I don’t know a single Muslim who has ever expressed support for hanging atheists. It’s almost as if you’re basing your entire view of Muslims on what you’ve seen on the news. Your view of Islam is detached from reality