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Right.
So let's see how it goes when they have to pay out of pocket for their Raskel scooters and they don't get their disability checks.
Per the article, they're going to protect a very limited list of programs, and gut the rest of the government:

A hypothetical proposal that protects Social Security, Medicare, veterans benefits and the military would still leave out huge swaths of critical federal expenditures on things such as Medicaid, food safety inspections, border control and air traffic control, to name just a handful of thousands of programs. >

Lol just when we thought we were out of the dark side of American politics we get thrown right back into it. Good luck over there guys. You gonna needs it. Please don’t crash the global economy. >


Please don’t crash the global economy.

Unfortunately, there's a decent chance that that's what will end up happening. >

God damnit, I’ve finally got my business killing it again after Covid. Give me at least 12 months of stability please before shit gets fucked again.
Serious question, is there any way Biden can just force them to not shut down government? >


Serious question, is there any way Biden can just force them to not shut down government?

I don't believe so. Executive branch doesn't have that kind of power. >

There's an argument that the debt ceiling violates Clause 4 of the 14th Amendment, which states:

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

But that won't stop the entire economy from burning down while we wait to hear what the Handmaiden, Cola Pubes, and The Boofmeister think about it. >

That would work, assuming the Supreme Court doesn't dig up an obscure law from 1850 as an excuse to rule against eliminating the debt ceiling. >

This is a stupid idea and these nut jobs are dangerous. What ever happened to “The validity of the public debt” clause of the 14th amendment? >

It’s just pure posturing from the clown party that is the GOP.  This whole notion got hashed out in the  Budget Control Act of 2011, and so this is just a way to try and blame it on the Democrats and the Biden administration when the U.S goes into debt default. Still disturbing, though. >

They don't get to decide which programs Treasury funds. It's a gimmick >

Hiho silver, appropriate away! >


House Republicans are preparing a plan telling the Treasury Department what to do

The nice thing is that the "House Republicans" don't have unilateral authority to tell the Treasury to do squat. This'll never get past the Senate.

Congress must pass a law raising the current limit of $31.4 trillion or the Treasury Department can’t borrow any more, even to pay for spending lawmakers have already authorized.

Biden just needs to come out and say he's directing whatever legal entity is responsible to look into simply ignoring the debt ceiling. Don't let the GOP play this stupid game. Spin it as actually trying to govern, and still pay for things that affect people, while the GOP are willing to cut payments to programs "you" use. >

14th amendment is pretty clear.  Republicans voting no on the debt ceiling already voted yes to spend the money. It’s already a valid public debt, strike the entire process. >

Yes let's risk crashing the economy - the republican way. >

This is not Constitutional. All debts by Congress are to be paid, no exceptions. If Congress authorized the spending the money is allowed to be spent. The only way to stop the money from being spent is to stop the money from being spent legislatively. This is just theatre. >

But the treasury isn’t legally allowed to borrow more than the debt ceiling to pay for all expenses of congress >

Yes that is the law. However, the point is the law may be unconstitutional under the 14th amendment. It's never been tested in court. If it comes to it the White House may interpret the law as unconstitutional, order the Treasury to continue payments, and set up a court battle. >

How do you know when Republicans are in charge?
You have to constantly worry about parts of the government shutting down, affecting your job, paying your bills, and just living a normal life.
Let the fun begin....like I don't have enough stress in my life. >

Republicans before the election: Inflation is our number one problem!
Republicans after the election: Our first solution is to move to a consumption tax which will make everything way more expensive! >

Who in the pool had 14 days of regular order before the Republicans deliberately crashed America into the iceberg? >

No, I had it at 29 days.  However, I did have "floor fight over outlawing drag shows" at 15 days. >

Say what? Republicans are doing exactly what Russia wants?  
No way 
/s just in case >

They’re making plans for when they intentionally create a problem but no plans for just not needlessly creating problems in the first place. This is so blatantly corrupt we should all be disgusted and insulted. >

Tell me you know the Repugs control the House without telling me you know the Repugs control the House. >

Honestly, I am surprised they are agreeing to pay any bills at all seeing as they just tried to eliminate the office that collects the money needed to pay those bills. >

You don't make these kinds of plans if your intent isn't to go through with something.
All in all, this is the worst possible sign that could have come out regarding the upcoming debt ceiling fight. >

I expect we will see a longterm shutdown 4-6 months everyone should prepare for the worst. Republicans will try to direct that anger from the shutdown towards massive instability and militia attacks towards the US government. >

Istg if they kill the calves I'm caring for because we can't get the needed food, treatment, etc for them I might actually do some things against reddit TOS. If they kill my disabled friends and family, same thing. Christ.. >

Um, how would they “direct” the Treasury to do anything? They are not the executive. They don’t have the Senate. Am I missing something here? (Besides that they’re going to wreck the global economy on purpose so they can stop paying poor people) >

GOP played this fools game in 2011, and it resulted in the credit rating of the US being downgraded. >

So fucked up but not surprised >

The executive needs to ignore the debt ceiling and continue paying debt/programs. let Congress sue if they don't like it.
It's arguably unconstitutional anyway. >

McCarthy fucking sold the entire country to become Speaker. This plan will fuck this country for years. >

I'm sure their plan will go places. >

If they have time to pass this they have time to pass a clean debt ceiling increase or repeal. >

Isn't the treasury under the executive branch? >

Just let it fail. Let the myth of the GOP being good for the economy die. The only plan to ever get their way is through terrorism. Until GOP voters realise they will suffer the collateral damage too, the debt limit is just DC politics. >

Maybe having a enormously bloated wartime military apparatus in a time of peace is a bad idea for the longterm health of the economy.
Demilitarization must happen before anyone can go around pointing fingers at government spending. >

I think the fair solution is to cut jobs and waste in the districts of Congressmen who vote against raising the debt ceiling. You caused this, you suffer for this >

How about just raise the debt limit! Put politics aside! >

Let's just start with, they can't direct the Treasury to do anything. They can pass a bill, but it has to get signed by the President and passed by the Senate first . >

Just a reminder we had the votes to not have to deal with this shit 25 days ago. Now it will be a problem for 2 years. >

I think we 're going to see a government shutdown. >

We always do with them. They’ve been using the debt ceiling to hold the entire country hostage for decades now. I’m so fcking tired of republicans actively harming us with this same shit every few years without fail and never facing any consequences. How tf is no one else exhausted too?! >

Everyone else is exhausted, but they're also gerrymandered and suppressed, both through how the senate works (The senate is a gerrymander, change my mind) AND the house... It's been gerrymandered for \~12 years now, and only a few states were fixed by state courts.
If the GQP was halfway competent, they'd have an easy time get 75% of the senate seats with only 25% of the US pop supporting them.
Without gerrymandering, and the rep cap, Republicans would never win the house. >

Ah, so starve the beast by simply not finding government anymore then. I’m sure the IRS would be the first entity on their chopping block.