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I agree, trumps time has come and gone from the perspective of a candidate.  I think it will be Desantis too.  But I've become more hopeful since 2016 normal American people are waking up to the threat of the far right.  I don't think the gop will win in 2024.
Conservatives know this, which is why they hate democracy so much >

This is why public referendums have been removed or defanged from most states >

In my state (Missouri) they are trying to remove ours because we legalized rec weed. >

Most of the good things states have accomplished recently have been through ballot initiatives, which should be a good measure of how far from proportional representation the state governments are after being captured by christofascist pluralities. >

Very few support no abortions no exceptions. Repeal of roe showed a lot of right wing voters in favor of abortion restrictions who was really driving the bus. >

Me, personally, I support access to abortion with no exceptions. It’s the pregnant person’s business, not mine. It’s between them and their doctor, not some lawmaker or someone else’s religious beliefs. And if someone is getting an abortion later in their pregnancy, it’s probably because something went seriously wrong, not because of cold feet. And the patchwork of laws now coming in to place is making it harder for people, particularly marginalized populations, to access prenatal care in the earliest part of pregnancy. Or people are being asked to carry doomed pregnancies to term, at risk to their own health. >

Me too, I was speaking to the large number of voters who support restrictions, but are gobsmacked the gop is going full hanmaidens tale. >

My conservative father, "I didn't think they'd actually do it."
Me: "so are you going to vote to fix it?"
My father: "I could never vote for Biden or Kamala. Too much baggage. And I'll probably never vote for Trump again, he really churned this country. Does Ron DeSantis support abortions?"
Guys,
I really think Democrats need to run someone new and young with no baggage. The same way Republicans will likely choose DeSantis as their nominee. >

You... you think a Conservative is going to ever vote for a young Democrat?
"Not enough experience."
"Entitled millennial." >

Well,
Maybe my father isn't the most "extreme" conservative. He's closer to center-right. Not too crazy about the culture war bullshit, and definitely doesn't support taking away rights. 
He told me he was planning on voting Bernie in 2016 because the Democratic party hated him, which meant he had to be good, and because Trump was an "ass," in his words. 
He hasn't voted conservative his whole life. He voted for Obama the first time, but absolutely hated the bail outs (the nuances were lost on him), so he didn't vote to reelect. 
He ultimately voted for Trump because he, like many Americans, is tired of the same shit over and over again. He got what he voted for, and he recognizes that. 
Side note, what we really need is just a new party for the working class of Americans. We need to get away from this broken two party system. >

He is like the .0002% of right folks who realized they were wrong about Trump.  That speaks well of him.  Too bad he hasn't figured out they are all like that. >

He stands by his vote for Trump. 
In his eyes he was picking the lessor of two evils. 
He just won't vote for him again, as he now knows what he gets with Trump. He's not the wild card, and he's become establishment by basically becoming the Republican party. >

Okay, so not quite the rosey picture I wanted. >

Honestly,
I think DeSantis will beat Trump in a primary. And I think DeSantis will beat Biden in a general for the same reasons Trump beat Hillary. 
I don't think the Republican primary will be as much of a civil war as the media is portraying it. If Trump lost the primary, sure he wouldn't play ball with the party, but I think even his supporters would still vote for DeSantis. Republicans are really good at falling in line and voting.