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He won’t have to. They won’t get within light years of reaching his desk anyway.
Senate first, no? >

Correct. These House bills will never make to Biden's desk. 
Republican congressmen know that, their voters do not. >

Well there isn’t much that their voters do know, so it’s pretty much a given. >

Had a neighbor the other day trying to tell me that trump was in Maralago on Jan 6. I said no he was in the White House. He said no that Biden was inaugurated and was in the White House. I just walked away. >

They really are dumb, which would be fine if they weren’t always forcing their stupidity on the rest of us. >

I had someone try to tell me they make 30k and will never need government assistance in retirement >

I was actually given an explanation about this w my republican father.
See, SS and old people benefits aren't "government assistance" because I didn't quite get a logical reason. Something about he had a job but now he gets benefits so it's ok, not like unemployment (?). See these benefits aren't given to people that don't want to work, they're given to the retired. He had a few other not-racist almost-points before it just became racist not-points. >

A lot of people seem to think that SS is like a 401k, where you pay in throughout your life and then get “your” money back when you retire. >

With how the government has looted SS most people would have been better off with that. Smh why people didn’t elect gore is besides me >

The people did elect Gore in 2000, and there’s a distinct possibility the electoral college would have had to as well if Gore hadn’t conceded Florida. >

I don't even think this'll pass the Senate. >

It won't. This is just a dog and pony show so the GQP can cry about the democrats obstructing them to their base. >

Please.  Bidens never going to see them, theyre dead in the senate.  Even the Republicans in the senate might say no.
Id sort of love to see the dems vote "present" just to watch the freakout. >


Even the Republicans in the senate might say no.

Hah, you made a funny! >

Actually its happened before.  Leading to McConnell at the time I think voting against his own bill. >

I think that was so he could reintroduce it later >

It was actually a political stunt to try and make the Dems look bad.  McConnel pushed a bill that he thought the Dems wouldn’t back (and thus, wouldn’t be approved) so he could say Dems aren’t united and Obama can’t even get support from a democratically controlled senate. 
Lo and behold, the Dems actually liked the bill and were planning on voting to pass it.
This wasn’t quite what McConnel had in mind, so he filibustered it.  
Link here >

Wait, that bill was actually a good idea, no wonder McConnell had to kill it >

Not like they're ever going to make it to his desk. The Senate will not pass anything that egregious.
Nope, this is going to be two years of bullshit dead-end congressional investigations and no new legislation worth discussing.
Some post offices might get renamed though. >

I wonder if Biden will make it through his first term without ever using his veto pen? >

"Fuck outta here with that shit, corn pop." - Joe Biden >

"This tax bill is a plateful of Malarkey" - Joe Biden >

“You really thought I would sign this malarkey, Jack?”

Dark Brandon >

If they get past the Senate. >

I would wager the majority of the core base Republicans don't even pay income tax.  So they yet again would be supporting getting fucked over and in this case in a big big way. >


I would wager the majority of the core base Republicans don't even pay income tax. 

They don't see it that way. They see taxes coming out of their check each pay period, and to them, that is paying taxes. And if a tax bill will see that total come down by even $20/pay period, they'll support it, because they see that as them paying less taxes. 
The size of their refund check doesn't factor into it for them. >

Oh I remember the Republican tax "cut".  I knew some people whose taxes went up, which they didn't figure out till tax time cause of the change in tables. >

So did they rationalize things away? >

If they’re anything like my family, they blamed it on democrats anyways >

He should get out in front of the debt ceiling brinkmanship by saying he'll flat veto any related bill that does anything other than simply raise the debt ceiling.  The GOP needs to be broken of the filthy habit of using the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip.   
After all, what is it they say about appeasement? >

Ask Neville chamberlain >

Dark Brandon has awoken from his slumber. >

The Senate won’t pass them to get them there. 
The extra sentiment of fuck your dumb shit is appreciated though. >

They’re not serious bills anyway.  Republicans are wasting taxpayer money. >

Do Republicans still try and sell "tricke down economics"?
Or are they past that and just openly piss on their own voters? >

Oh they pretend now that there was never any such thing and that Reaganomics was always only "supply-side economics".  Which is patently garbage. >

And Republican voters will likely throw a fit over this veto and call Biden a dictator, and the only response I can think of is,
Why are you ? You're not even rich!
And they'll say... >

"One day I might be rich, and folks like me better watch their step!" >

Unexpected Futurama >

I mean… I dont know about unexpected. He teed that one up nicely imo! >

"Biden is no different than Trump, he's a republican".
Screed of people who wanted republicans to win in 2020. >

There's a ton of people who want to see Democrats lose to republicans just for the satisfaction of saying "I told ya so".
They're really just people who wear their political ideology as an aesthetic, not as actual beliefs they want to see implemented in the world. >

its the same sports team mentality >

Dark Brandon not gonna tolerate any GQP malarkey Jack >

Wipe your shoes with the piece of paper! >

As he should >

A voice of reason in a world of malarkey. >

Republicans just put this out there for attention >

Que the BS legislation and grandstanding >

Good on you, Joe.
Now I hope you keep your promise to not give in when they shut down the gov't over SS & MC. >

Where is the PR at how bad these bills are for the economy / inflation/ everyday American?
FFS - counter* these classified doc stories *with some reasons why R can't govern. >

I feel like you guys should let it pass tho; then start a massive media campaign against the republicans. After 3 months; pass an emergency bill to re-instate taxes. >

They should 100% pass it and keep stating, you voted for the GOP so we will pass their legislation.  Every common joe/jane paying 23% tax rate on purchases plus the huge increase the next year because of the shortfall might wake the Repub. voters up, might. Then again, if the senate and president said they will pass it, they might just drop it. >

During the campaign Republicans were nonstop talking about how bad inflation was and one of the the first things they want to do is add a huge tax to every product Americans buy. Makes sense….🙄 >

Republicans really try and do anything they can to keep as much money for the rich and take as much money from the working class. Holy shit. >

You can say that with a straight face?  With all of the corporate democrats that are millionaires, in some cases one hundred times over and have gotten that level of wealth while being in government?  How does that differ from an oligarch in Russia or a corrupt energy executive in Nigeria? >

Just because a politician is a millionaire doesn’t mean shit. So are the majority of Republicans. Even more so. Difference is that the Republican ones do shady business and cheat on their taxes.
But that’s not even the point. I’m talking about policy. Sorry that you don’t see policy and excuse it by using buzzwords like corporate democrats. How can YOU say that with a straight face >

You’re hilarious, my sides fine for doing it.  Both sides hire tax and legal specialists to limit their taxes.  That you think otherwise is so precious.  Aren’t you cute! >

There’s one thing about hiring tax experts.. there’s another committing fraud. You’re telling on yourself >

Sure right now defend Nancy Pelosi and her husbands insider trading.  How do you square that one up.  Just let it rest.  You think it’s fine and your side’s just great and the other side is pure evil.  Just like the other side.  See the thing is all of the elected officials know it’s a ruse and you’re the exact type of person that they count on not to pay attention.  I could post 100 offenses that the right does and you’d be yeah see they are awful.  I could show the exact same offenses on the left and you’d make an excuse how they aren’t so bad.  Keep it up and maybe we will be $60 trillion in debt vs the $33 trillion we are today.  If you lived in the movie the Matrix you’d probably choose to take the pill or to know the truth.  It’s okay it’s probably good for you so that you can think you support the “right” side of things.  You probably also say you support diversity as long as people agree with you.  It’s okay you’re like most of the folks in the country. >

All I have to say is… Trump. That’s it. Byeee >

Sure trumps a total tool box.  That never should have happened and he’s a con man and a criminal.  Doesn’t change everything else that you choose to ignore. >

Sanity at last. >

They can't give up all that Intuit money  now can they? >

Are any of the bills from the house going to make it to Biden desk over the next 2 years? >

Not if they keep passing garbage that the American public does not want and they know won't pass the Senate for the sake of being able to cry that they (the blatant obstructionists) are being obstructed. >

Ah so no then nothing good will come from this house then >

I'd be surprised if they managed to get a single thing approved by the senate. >

Ya it would be a surprise, bet republicans won't pass a single thing and blame democrats, spend all their time trying to cut social security and impeach Biden. They will blame the democrats for not supporting them >

I feel like that's been the plan from the beginning. >

Before the midterms they did say they were planning on gutting social care and planning to impeach Biden and  investigate hunter Biden >

Good thing they didn't get the senate too. >

Ya honestly, still scary that it was close for walker, guy is braindead, and nearly got in >

That was scary af. >

Good. >

TLDR on the tax bills? >

TL;DR: Rich people pay less, poor people pay more (but in a nickel-and-dimed way instead of a single bill) >

They'll never make it any way unless the Denate changes >

Kinda miss the Obama Biden bromance memes ngl >

This won't even get to Biden. You got these idiots in the house that won't bother to talk to McConnell because he's the enemy that blew it when the fact of the matter is that the senate was lost because key candidates were too closely tied to Trump. And things are going to get worse when Ukraine comes up because there's a ton of hawks on the right that have been waiting for years to slap Putin around. This is the mess the pubs created by themselves. >

I like how they pretend that they want to do something when they know their bills are going to die in the senate. If they had a super majority they wouldn’t be doing shit for anyone, other than papa Putin and whatever soulless company is paying them. >

Of course. What I don’t understand is this, the GOP shoot’s themselves in the foot, first was the abortion topic and how important it is nationally. Second: they are literally giving interviews with comments regarding cutting social security, changing the age of when you can first apply as well as extended the max date for mandatory. This is not popular with Americans. Not right/left, blue/red. It’s just a bad topic which effects all sides. With literally 21 months before congress is in the election cycle yet again these decisions and talking points are political suicide. On a separate topic, according to George Santos’ newest resume he claims he was the person who created the iPhone. It was his idea and invention of EZ Pass and it clearly says it was him who first landed on the moon. It’s on resume, it must be true. >

They’re so afraid what happened to Trump will happen to them. Tax frauds all. Trying to dismantle the IRS Before they have their heads on the chopping blocks >

I would support any party that raised the 12% tax bracket to 60k single filer. >

About time we stop giving the wealthy tax cuts. Now if we cpuldmjust make them pay what they owe.... oh yes thats one ofnthe reasons to increase the irs budget... no wonder theyve been lying tontheir people how bad that is >

As he should.  The Republicans in the House know this and knew it going in.  They are just looking to score soundbites for 2024 with this performative symbolic bullshit. >

He won't have to. None of this has a snowball's chance in hell of even getting voted on in the senate, not to mention passing. >

I think the reason he is saying this is because so many house members are saying that they passed bills, leading their idiot base to think that they are laws. Both the senate and house has to pass them for them to be put on Biden's desk. >

My president saving democracy from these criminals >

It's all bully pulpit BS. The Republicans only have one side of congress in their control.  If they come up with a plan that helps the middle class and puts more burden on the rich, they will get all kinds of votes. That isn't what they will do. If it doesn't help them and their donors, they won't come up with a bill. Most of them wouldn't know how to write one. >

The rich don't spend a proportional amount on goods and services as the middle class and poor do. They would pay even less in taxes if the burden was shifted to sales tax from income tax.
Income tax is taking a portion of their income.
Sales tax is taking a portion of a portion of their income. >

Swapping in a national sales tax will never ever work.  Legal tax evasion is reserved for the wealthy. >

Taxes on good and services are regressive. Tax the rich. >


‘I will flat veto them’: Biden pledges to reject Republican tax bills

This is not a surprise to anyone. >

Awesome. I enjoy the continued approach of not negotiating with terrorists. >

Sounds like every one here leans pretty left I see. >

The intelligence is high here, I see. >

Oh fuck yea man >

Good! He should!! The republicans rejected Everything when Obama was in office. Now it’s time to stop their nonsense >

so...it was bad then? >

I guess I’m just confused…what’s wrong with abolishing the income tax and replacing it with a tax you only pay if you buy something? Makes sense to me tbh. >

Because consumption taxes are regressive.  Poor people use every dollar they earn to consume things. Rich people spend a fraction of their income on consumption and invest the rest.  For the very rich it is a tiny fraction.  
This bill is just this year’s attempt to transfer the tax burden from millionaires and billionaires to the poor and middle class.  It’s what the Republican Party does.  It’s why people educated enough to see the scam, but not rich enough to be swayed by it vote for Democrats. >

The funny thing, is that for years many of my liberal friends proposed the exact same thing, many of conservative friends rejected it. Now, guess whose for it, and whose against it. Identity politics is idiotic. >

No one who understands anything about taxes, accounting and economics thinks a flat tax is a good idea. It is the dumbest idea ever. >

I agree, but that wasn't the point. Nobody will talk about its feasibility, but rather the political party who brought it up. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy, and the more downvotes I get, the more my point is proven. >

That's because the argument was beaten down over 40 years ago.  Why do we need to keep beating a dead horse. >

Most actively on Reddit isn’t even 40. So basically a 40yo “trust me bro” 😂 >

Instead of coming together, let’s keeping fucking over American people.  I don’t understand how they can keep dividing America.  People need to listen/talk to each other instead of acting like a baby if it don’t go your way.  That goes both Reps/Dems…..Fuck’em both >

Cooperate is now a bad word. People would rather die than cooperate. We don’t even have a country anymore, just a collection of individuals living in the same area. 75mm people voted for Trump and 81mm for Biden. Regardless of what side you are on, that is about half the country give or take that voted the other way; they aren’t going anywhere. >

How many people do you think live in the US? >

About 400mm. And incidentally, according to recents polls about 36% of Americans identify as conservative and 25% as liberal (the rest are “moderate”). This is not a case where the non voting public differs significantly from the voting public if that is where you are headed. >

Democrats now love taxes and bombing little brown kids in the Middle East >

If you need to lie that much to show your position, you should realize how terrible it is. >

Where did I lie? >

Until it's a cooperate handout. He will sign the shit out of that. >

Income tax is absurd. 
The remaining money you have left you will go out and continue to pay taxes on...
Buys a car with money left over after income tax,
Pays sales tax on car,
Pays gas tax each time you fill up
Depending on state, you have to pay property tax just for the sake of paying for something you already own, paid for with money that has already been taxed. 
10-15% national flat tax. Get rid of all the hidden taxes or get rid of the income tax. >

Flat, sales, and gas taxes are highly regressive impacting the power to a much higher degree than income taxes. 
Let's say I make $50K and my twin brother makes $5M. Assuming costs are the same percent of our take home. The flat tax is 10%
I pay 5K in flat taxes. My total yearly expenses not including any other taxes or emergencies are 60% of my take home which is $27k. Add $3K in sales taxes. I now have 15K left to put into savings, investments, retirement, emergencies, discretionary spending, etc. 
My brother pays 500K in flat taxes. His total yearly expenses not including any other taxes or emergencies are 60% of my take home which is $2.7m. Add $300k in sales taxes. I now have $1.5M left in savings, investments, emergencies, discretionary spending, etc. 
Now let's say we pay a progressive income tax. Same income, costs, sales tax.
My total effective tax is 5% which is 2.5K. My total yearly expenses not including any other taxes or emergencies are 60% of my take home which is $27k. Add $3K in sales taxes. I now have 17.5K left for savings, investments, retirement, emergencies, discretionary spending, etc. 
My total effective tax is 25% which is $1.25M. His total yearly expenses not including any other taxes or emergencies are 60% of my take home which is $2.7m. Add $300k in sales taxes. He now has $0.75M remaining for savings, investments, emergencies, discretionary spending, etc. 
My additional $2.5k, retained with a progressive tax, has a significantly more positive effect on my life than my brother's additional $.75M, retained with a flat tax. He might have to buy a smaller yacht. Single tear. >

That's a fancy way of saying you're all for continuing to fund an obviously failed government. 
They can just print the money, like the uniparty loves to do. 
Ya know, the reason there's hardly a middle class anymore >


That's a fancy way of saying you're all for continuing to fund an obviously failed government. 

Simple math is fancy talk.

They can just print the money, like the uniparty loves to do. 

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. 

Ya know, the reason there's hardly a middle class anymore

The reason we hardly have a middle class is because of half a century of dramatic tax cuts to corporations and wealthy individuals, explosive executive income growth, weak to flat middle-class income growth, cuts and weakening of the social safety net, deregulation of companies and banks, effective anti-union legislation, and so many other reasons. 
The government is "failed" because smooth-brained republicans have undermined its basic functions in order to destroy the middle-class. >

Ahhh yes the uniparty loves when people blame one party over the other
That's exactly how all of this works. 
Keep the infighting alive and well, progress be damned.
Regress 
Regress
Regress. >

Voter who wants to return to the Gilded Age surprised that their children work in a coal mine and their water is flammable.
"I never expected to have to spend company scrip for stale pinto beans!" ~Unnamed Voter >

Children, mines? 
Are you talking about the 40,000 children that work the mines in the congo, mining cobalt for EVs? 
I wonder what their income tax is? 
But we need them to work the mines. Our government demands all gov vehicles be electric by 2035.
Get back in the mine, children! >

Bad thing exists in other place. Because bad thing exists I want bad thing here. >

Damm democrats pro war pro tax wtf is happening >

You have now entered.... the  Twilight Zone. >

I’d prefer a VAT and luxury tax over federal income tax. It’s way harder to evade, and is what the US did before prohibition, and it actually made money for the federal government. >

I'm fine with getting rid of income tax and having a national sales tax. >

And I'm sure the millionaires and the billionaires thank you for your service in licking their boots. >

Remember when Biden vowed to work with the GOP? >

Yes.   I don't recall him vowing to do their every bidding, though. >

I mean sounds like a good idea. No income taxes just a sales tax? I didn’t read into these bills fyi >

It sounds like a good idea until you learn economics. >

And until you realize that when you make over $5MM a year you don’t actually spend most of your money, it goes right into investments. >

Of course he wants to keep sending our money to fight foreign wars >

Yeah I wish he was like the last guy and would just  bend over backwards for Russia. >

You know I seem to remember Putin never doing dumb shit under the last guy >

awesome