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The church I went to as a kid supposedly had a scrap of a bone from some guy who’s been dead for around 2000 years that they now call a saint.
I grew up in a town of 9000 people. How does that happen? Dude has a little bucket of bones? And every time they open a church… “Here you go, put this in a special place. We can say yours is from Saint Patrick. They’ll never figure out the truth. Plus it will make you popular in March.”
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Imagine you're just born and days later you're fucking your clone. Next thing you know God curses you and your offspring for a thousand generations because you ate the wrong fruit. >

The fruit thing feels like a setup anyway. It's like you left out a bowl of candy for a kid and told him to never eat one certain kind in the bowl. >

That is explicitly how theology proposes this works.
The crime wasn’t in the action (eating fruit) but in disobeying god.
The issue with this is.... the fruit they ate was that of knowledge of good and evil.
How the hell were Adam and Eve supposed to know that disobeying god was wrong if they don’t have a concept of right or wrong prior to eating the fruit? 
Rhetorical question. Of fucking course, they couldn’t. So they and their offspring would suffer for committing a crime they didn’t possess the capacity to knowingly commit until the moment they’d committed said crime. 
God is a scumbag. >

I thought they got kicked out because they broke obedience to God. Obeying an order doesn't require you to consider if said order is good or evil. >

The issue is they couldn’t have known that disobedience was wrong in the first place.
God said don’t do it, satan said they should. How should they know who to listen to?
Answer is they can’t. Because they literally don’t understand right from wrong until after eating the fruit.
This is the equivalent of punishing a baby who’s drawn on the walls with crayon after telling them they can’t by chucking them out of the house. >

There is no God and no one was actually kicked out of a mythical garden, I believe the point of this parable was to obey the word of God (that we made up) without question or thought.
Saying God is a scumbag for kicking them out is missing the point of the tale. Blind obedience is considered a virtue. Listening to others and then making your own moral judgments (right or wrong) contrary to the word of God is a sin. >


There is no God and no one was actually kicked out of a mythical garden, I believe the point of this parable was to obey the word of God (that we made up) without question or thought.
Saying God is a scumbag for kicking them out is missing the point of the tale. Blind obedience is considered a virtue. Listening to others and then making your own moral judgments (right or wrong) contrary to the word of God is a sin.

I'm sorry, but this is an incorrect take.
For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Galatians 5:13‭-‬14 NKJV
And He entered the synagogue again, and a man was there who had a withered hand. So they watched Him closely, whether He would heal him on the Sabbath, so that they might accuse Him. And He said to the man who had the withered hand, “Step forward.” Then He said to them, “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they kept silent. And when He had looked around at them with anger, being grieved by the hardness of their hearts, He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched it out, and his hand was restored as whole as the other.
Mark 3:1‭-‬5 NKJV
The entire point of Jesus' coming was to free us from a set of rules. "Don't be self-serving," basically. Don't mix Republicanism with Christianity. >

Did you really just tell someone with an Atheistic stance on God that they were wrong by quoting scripture at them? You really don't get it do you? Blind faith above all else, lest ye admit thy hath been duped from the start. >

The second part, not the first. Listening to others and then making moral judgements is literally the point. >

The Bible has Adam grow to something like 930 or so years old.
Where's the assumption that he had anything close to the same maturation process as normal humans coming from? >

I read ancient jewish people used the moon to track time so adam would bn about 30.
They count phases of the moon not years. >

That wouldn't explain why the lifespan every generation gradually went down until Moses who died an old man at the age of 120. Not to mention Adam had a child at the age of 130, which by that calendar would make him too young. Genesis 5: 

3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

130/900 is 14.4% of Adam's life, so if he died at the age of 30 that means he had a son at age 4. If he lived to a ripe old 80, his son would be born when he was 11. I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that you're supposed to understand it as Adam lived for actual centuries. >

Methusla died during the flood and was the oldest if were talking bible lore. Supposedly only 1656 passed from the time between adam and moses but adam lived for 1000 years.  The time doesn't make any sense because they were nomadic tribes back then. They didnt keep books and records they told storie. Remember playing telephone in school.
Also considering not one date was written down. How did adam track time at all? Why would he? >

I obviously don't believe in those fairy tales but iirc Exodus is supposed to happen ~1500 BCE, and the year now is 5782, so by quick maths that means around 2200 years between Adam and Moses. >

I just looked it up and that's going by their time. They think the worlds 5000 year old. 
Still even 2200 years and adam lived a 1000 methusala lived to the flood and was a 1000 none of it adds up.
I think old people like to lie about their age lol. Guess wants your so old and everybody died you can just wing it. >

Methuselah didn't wait for Adam to die before he was born... Adam was 190 when Methuselah was born. I'm not saying it's true, but it's internally consistent. You can look up biblical timelines if you want, they have ones with years and everything
But anyway that's a creation myth, like this appears in the book before the invention of different languages so clearly it's not eyewitness accounts >

Yeah thats my point. Hell it like jesus never writing any books most of it makes no sense or logic that adds up. >

Right? He had the body of an adult but he had the mind of a toddler really.
Imagine getting so mad and outraged because your toddler son misbehaved! >

And how do you know god gave adam the mind of a toddler and not a mind of an adult? >

He was my great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather >

Technically, for those who believe, he is everyone's great*240 grandfather... >

I mean there absolutely was a first human. No belief involved. >

it may not be as cut and dry as 'the first human'. neanderthal dna can be found in our dna, and several different species similar to us were roaming around at the same time. >

Yeah but there was at one time one human and then others came about >

like in Transformers G1 where you got robots who are 2 million years old working with robots who were just built an episode ago. somehow these massive age gaps are fine with everyone >

When Artemis was born, she helped her mother as a midwife at the birth of her TWIN Apollon.
The thing is: Mythology doesn't want to be realistic, it wants to tell something. >

Artemis is a special woman though. :) >

At least they had computers. Eve had an Apple, Adam had a Wang. >

Man that joke is dated. >

A lot of things don't make much sense with religion if you scrutinize it at the same level as science. >

Or at the level of basic logic.
That's the problem when you try to interpret metaphorical religious doctrine as absolute fact. >

No confusion.  Dude was the smartest guy on earth.  He named all the animals, he had a direct intellect download from God. >

Wasn't he the only guy on earth? >

Hence the smartest >

Now I'm just imagining God being a clueless parent for the baby Adam. Having absolutely no idea what babies eat.
Why are you still crying? You can't be hungry... I just gave you an apple! Can't you suckle on it with your gums? I knew I should have created teeth first... You know what? You're never getting apples again just for how difficult you're being right now. Apples shall henceforth be forbidden! JUST STOP CRYING! >

I think it is weirder that they gave the ring to a hobbit. But in the end, it worked, so who am i to judge. >

So weird that one might suspect that the story could possibly be a fabrication. >

It's not weird when you consider the whole plotline of the book is complete bulkshit nonsense. >

You're saying that in a way that implies it actually happened. It's fiction. >

Ooo, so edgy >

God told Lot that he was pretty cool so he shouldn't come to Sodom tomorrow, then when Lot's wife looked back God yelled "no, don't look at meeeee" and turned her to salt, and you're going to call literally anything criticizing this guy "edgy"? God is the teenager who isn't "being challenged" and thus isn't "applying himself" and his friend Jesus has to reluctantly apologize for his behavior. >

Ah yes, the story of how lots wife finally escaped her terrible marriage! >

Literally why is she not called Salt Bae? Predated that other guy by a couple years at least, give or take a few zeroes, and her biggest crime was apparently that she felt remorse for the people she left behind as she was physically in the process of leaving them behind. 
Salt bae: I'm sure going to miss those wild friends I had good times with, but I need to move on because God demands it...
God: not good enough. >

Given the intelligence that has grown over the centuries, we never ask, how dumb was Adam compared to today's average human? >

I would guess very, but people are pretty fuckin stupid these days so... maybe about the same actually >

Not even close to the weirdest thing about the whole story lol. >

Yah it is weird, because he never existed, that's why it also doesn't make any sense 🤠👍 >

It's also weird that most paintings of him show him having a navel. >

I know right? He ate an apple, not an orange >

If that's the most hard to understand thing about the bible.... you should read a bit further... >

Nah punishing basically a baby for doing something they can't know as wrong is pretty damn confusing. >

Adam being created as an adult is an assumption. The Bible doesn’t say at what stage of development he was created at, only that he was created in God’s image.
Also, at this point humans lived forever as death was not a thing yet, so human development could have been vastly different then what we are used to today.
It’s possible that Adam went through his entire early development being cared for by God (who walked with him hand in hand in the garden) and then was given Eve once he became an adult.
But I don’t know. >

Adam ate the fruit.
Their eyes were opened and their innocence, lost. They ran from God and His presence soon after, and were expelled from the garden, paradise lost. >

How does that quote support this perspective I've never heard ? >

I never heard what this guy saying either. I just posted what they claimed after adam ate the apple. To me it just allegory for the coming of age and understanding sexual attraction. >

I'm not religious, but I find it interesting, I've never heard anyone claim that Adam ate the fruit.  
Banishment, floods, plaques, I take it as a control power play.  You do not want to F with me, do what I say or I'll make your eternity hell. >

Eve pick and ate the fruit and then gave it to adam. which i think was used to point to women for the fall. Its always a power play older people trying to contol the younger generations. >

Eve was deceived and ate the fruit, and Adam went with it, instead of taking the matter to God and sorting it out between the three of them.
On top of that, Adam blamed God for Eve's actions, almost saying God made Eve defective, instead of admitting his own fault. >

Well that be 2nd defective model because lilith supposedly left adam for god lol. I think of chuck in supernatural lol. 
Sorry bro like you love who you love lmao! >

Imagine how weird it is that people take the Adam and Eve story literally? >

I mean he was doing toddler shit. Running around naked, hanging with any animal, eating whatever. >

Imagine Adam and Eve with their first son or daughter and just not knowing wtf to do when puberty starts lol. >

Almost all fruit in the garden of Eden was edible.  Maybe he was like a toddler who stuck random things in his mouth and ate them.  A toddler phase in an adult body would be weird but possible.  There were no diseases, so poop was safe.  I don't know how many years Adam was in the garden until he met Eve.  I don't know how many years Eve was in the garden.  Maybe Eve couldn't get pregnant until she was kicked out. >

I lost track of the lore because it changed anytime you'd ask a specific line of reasoning, but I'm pretty sure one cultist said the only reason women suffer the pain of childbirth was due to adam/eve breaking their lease agreement.  
Otherwise you just rip out body parts for a fuckbuddy? >

It took me a good minute to figure out which Adam we were talking about. It's noon here and I guess I still need more caffeine. >

we didn’t think too hard when coming up with explanations back then >

Just another thing to add to the already massive list of things in the bible which only make sense if you're desperate for it to make sense. >

I'd say it's weirder the fact that people think this guy existed lol >

Even more weird that people believe it's true, or that god(s) exist. >

I can believe something we'd consider a "god" exists, somewhere out there. That's easy, it just needs to know more than us.  
What I can't/won't believe is something like that gives one iota of a fuck about what's going on down here, or it's responsible for anything that's happened on this cosmic dirtclod. That's like the pinnacle of human arrogance. We don't even give a fuck about other species we know about on this planet, much less the ones we can't perceive; but something of that stature to us cares that I rub one out to "morally questionable" material? Or I turned a light on the wrong day of the week? Really?! >

What's even weirder is how Cain and Abel had kids when there was only them and Adam and Eve >

*10 year old me laughing at the mental gymnastics a youth pastor displayed trying to make it make sense >

There’s a lot of things wrong with the way the bible and stuff is shown and kept hidden from us. Like fuck they say that Jesus’ foreskin but hidden in some bs made up vault of hidden scriptures, and sadly the last time I saw a video of religious shit on reddit they were acting almost like a nazi cult. Don’t trust the churches dude, they’ve always rubbed off the wrong way in classes, like using fear tactics to get people to pray and go to church, saying the devil will get them for their sins and they’d go to hell for not praying and showing loyalty. They are also legally not allowed to get involved with politics and the government but they are and they still do, but no one will do anything about it because they get fucked by the church’s influence for trying.