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I always thought it was telling when Mike Pence would not get in the car that was being driven by the secret service on January 6th.   I think he also suspected they were compromised by the former president. >

This is still huge for me, and it shocks me how little it seems like people talk about this. When the VP is afraid of someone on the inside, this should terrify everyone. >

Law enforcement agencies have always been populated by right wingers, at every level from local to federal, so no surprise the Secret Service is full of Trump supporters >

Consistently throughout history law enforcement have been ready and willing to serve the fascists. Hitler had to purge the military in his rise to power, no such thing was needed to turn police into genocidal enforcers. >

Honest question, why is this? What is it about the incentive structures of police that leads to this outcome. Furthermore, is it possible to change the incentives such that this link is broken? >

They are overpaid, feared by the populace, and provide daily opportunities to make people they dislike either feel like shit or cause them irreparable harm while carrying around state of the art PEW PEW machines.  They get to do all of this with zero consequences whatsoever, as police unions investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing.  It's a corrupt system ripe for abuse, so it attracts the shittiest type of person.
ACAB. >

Genuine question: what’s the alternative >

My suggestions:

Remove qualified immunity.  That much authority and power requires consequences when fuckups occur.
Hold police to a _higher_ standard than civilians when it comes to criminal conduct, especially while on the job.
Abolish police unions.
Require accredited higher education. Ban the shady "warrior mentality" seminars.
Oversight boards that aren't part of the police dept itself and have absolute authority to fire and blacklist bad cops.
Records transparency - require departmental record keeping and subject those records to FOIA requests.

Any cop that whines "but then nobody will want to be a cop"... yeah, people with that toxic mentality _won't_ want to be a cop.  That's the point.  We only want intelligent, responsible, and accountable people in that position. >

Individual liability insurance for officers. Make it impossible to keep bad ones insured. >

Our former president has made embarrassment out of this country. >

And destroyed America's international credibility while he was at it >

I listen to conservative talk radio on the way to work. One talking point is preaching about how much stronger our international relations are because of trump. How he’s a strongman and other countries respect that. 
I hear it over and over. 
And it is just the exact opposite of what I actually hear when I travel. People sort of laugh with you. They say they’re trump’s cousin. There is a swath of Canadians that seem to enjoy him though. >

Australia here. Trump has made a laughing stock of your country >

We have friends who live in Germany and say America was diminished by Trump and that they and their countymen no longer look at America the same. >

Different Australian here but yes, can confirm, America was/is seen as in a shambles and an unreliable partner now. We watched on in horror as Trump trashed your great nation to thunderous applause. >

Thunderous applause by a half of the population, that is >

At minimum, everyone associated with the mysterious disappearing texts from January 6 ought to have been reassigned to somewhere in Bumfuck, North Dakota. >

Bumfuck is actually quite nice this time of year. I say we go medieval on them and send them to…. PEORIA ILLINOIS! >

The Geneva Convention prevents cruel and unusual punishment. >

Bumfuck it is. >

Purge the Secret Service (and FBI) of all those who aided and abetted the 1/6/21 insurrection. These agencies must be non-partisan. >

How dare you come to Reddit and be sensible!!! Reported!!!! >

This is why a lot of government needs clean house.
Their oath is to the office and constitution not their own political beliefs or a single person. 
Also makes sense as to why SS had to remove certain agents from his detail and put those from his VP time to him. >


Their oath is to the office and constitution not their own political beliefs or a single person. 

It's cute that you think oaths matter. >

It should be treated like Oaths taken for military service. One misstep and your ass is grass regardless of rank. >

Michael Flynn. >

Right?  I cannot believe that soooo many people are still looking at norms and institutions with rose-colored glasses after the previous presidency.
All that matters anymore is power and the exercising of power.  And too much of the general public is tuned-out or suppressed for us to hold anyone accountable—and there are plenty that richly deserve some accountability. >

I don’t get it. How has Trump made so many people into crazy acolytes? Like, there may have been Secret Service agents who preferred Bush to Obama, but I’d bet money they did their jobs and/or asked to get transferred to Kansas or whatever. Why are people so willing to light the world on fire for this guy. He’s not smart, he’s not charismatic. What do they see in him? >

Because some people are conditioned to be driven by emotion and people like trump are masters of exploiting that l. >

So clean house >

He has.  He choose members close to him that he knew when he got in and replaced the director of the agency.  Not fast, or loudly, but the behind the scenes actions are happening. >

I graduated college with a idiot who idolizes Trump he work for the Secret Service now >

Might not be a bad idea to keep an eye on his social media >

Yeah, what hes saying could hint at something yet to come >

I’m getting Praetorian Guard vibes and I don’t like it >

He should be worried. They facilitated meetings between the Trumps and various Russian agents. They helped steal and hide National Security Documents. As soon as Secret Service was folded into DHS, they became just another corrupt Republican controlled "Law Enforcement" agency. >

I though Biden’s dog already established that the secret service couldn’t be trusted? >

Even Mike Pence didn’t Trust them. >

He is only our second catholic president, and they did the other one pretty dirty. >

Congratulations, you've been nominated for the Understatement of the Year Award. It's named for Thaddeus Understate, a 19th century politician who described the South as "somewhat fond of owning people" and warned of furious letters to newspaper editors and soapbox speeches against abolition. >

So they are the ones who could have stashed classified documents all over the place to implicate Biden...
Time to clean house if you don't trust them. >

Pence had the same worry. >

Wait until he finds out about the military, federal law enforcement, border patrol, and the intelligence apparatus. We’re infested at every level with fascists. >

I was in the marine corps and honestly not many people liked trump from my experience. They disliked Biden more and still voted for trump, but  not many people were actually in love with trump. >

Fair enough. I also have worked with people that voted for trump because he pissed off liberals and gave them permission to be open racists. They’re not in the cult but I assume similar to people you are talking about. >

It's a fair concern. >

Although the movie wasn't great, this type of article always makes me think of the line from Tom Cruise's Jack Reacher movie, "There are three things cops never do, they don’t vote democratic, they don’t drive Cadillac’s and they never use personal vehicles.”  
Here is the clip, if anyone is interested. >

Fire. Them. All. >

Then clean house, you dummy!  Fire Trump loyalists.  You don't need a reason.  Trump, sure as hell didn't. >

There were no good people who supported Trump. Many people in law enforcement supported Trump. >

Then he should have them terminated. Trumped fired people. Biden can too. >

He's not wrong. >

Next level cult shit when they’re in the same room with the guy all the time, see exactly how childish and narcissistic he is, everyday, and still say “yes, I wish this man to be god king emperor of the United States” >

Would not trust a single agent who worked under Trump, not a single one. They were all handpicked for their loyalty to Trump. >

I’d fire them all. >

There's a reason Mike Pence didn't get in the car, he knew. >

#justiceformajor >

The November findings of the documents and his German shepherd are great examples. Some conspiracy believers think the democrats placed them to show the difference between Biden and Trump and hid because of midterms. But you look at it it’s more: “who got paid to create a false scandal.” >

Replace them? >

With who? >

Major Biden sounds like he could singlehandedly replace all of the untrustworthy Secret Service agents. After all, he is quite smart and was woke enough to apparently sense what's really going on. >

I’m sure many share the above-the-law attitude Trump has. >

No wonder. He put them up in his own hotels using tax payer money to give them palatial accommodations! >

Clean house bro >

I went on a couple dates with a guy who was secret service for the Trumps. That dude LOVED them. He thought they were the NICEST people. It was fucking weird. I joked briefly about Melania and that was a bad move on my part. No ragrets. >

Yeah...nothing new. Any normal person will notice most cops/law enforcement/military are republican. >

Why is it so hard to just fucking fire them? Trump fired everyone. Biden is doing a good job, but goddamn, just fucking fire people and vet new ones. Can't be that hard to ask questions to weed out the far-right asswipes. >

The demented Donald Trump permanently damaged this country in ways we are still not yet fully aware of. >

In the movies the supervillain is always a super smart tactician and schemer. I never knew America's supervillain would be such a dumb oaf. >

That has been the most difficult part of this to deal with - coming to terms with the idea that 45% of the voting population think a world class imbecile like Donald Trump was worth attempting a coup over. >

Trump bout to be like "execute order 66" >

I signed up and paid to be in this group of manly men that someone accidentally said they were secret service.  
The host of the group acted how do I describe acting in a way that divulged information that should have been not said.
We also know Trump wanted to surround himself with loyalists.  And pences SS sounded a warning about J6 >

They are. >

Well, they need to be fired and new ones vetted to the extreme that Republicans would vet someone not white. >

I feel the secret service guys that are loyal to Trump only are because they get to hangout in Florida, at a nice country club, eating great food, at the costs to taxpayers. I don't think I could stomach being around Trump that long, but gotta admit, it's a sweet gig. >

Secret Service taking notes from the Praetorian Guard, I see. Didn’t go very well for the Romans… >

Worried? Na man he knows they are >

So he is saying with some confidence that the secret service killed his dog for no reason right? >

The dog was right. >

No shit, Jack >

Purge and replace. >

You would disband them then or at the very least replace them. >

I thought about that when all of these documents started turning up. >

Former Vice President Pence could have told him that. >

Maybe the secret service has members who work for Putin. >

He should fire them then. I wouldn’t want to be protected by people who secretly hate me. I would never feel safe, between thinking that they won’t go above and beyond to save me or they might actively be working against me.
I could never. 
It’s not ok. >

People were saying he should have cleared the ranks when he got in office for good reason >

Aren't all secret service people ex-military meatheads? It would explain why they're loyal to the right. >

How many veterans do you know?  Most of the ones I do are antiwar. >

Most of my family are veterans. What does that have to do with war? >

Is he going to do anything about it?  Say, clear out the Trump lackey currently in charge of training new agents?  
It must not be that much of a concern. >

isn't paranoia a symptom of dementia... >

Gut it and staff it with Army Rangers and CIA >

Should we be concerned that Biden doesn’t distrust the secret service because of Tony Ornatos residual influence and some of the bad decisions Trump made them do but because he doesn’t believe the dog bite story?  SMH. >

Oh you think sir? >

Secret police bad? >

Holy shit they were all replaced, right? >

Well the people in the secret service will of course have their private views one way or the other, but they are supposed to be professional
I don't know whether his dog bit somebody or not, pet owners make BS excuses just like parents do for their kids. >

Every accusation is a confession. The deep state is right wing republicans. >

Odd. I remember reading about Jared and Ivanka prohibiting their agents from using the potty in their house. Agents had to jog over to Obama's house. >

Why tf would you be? Isn’t your job easier now? Seriously. >

So… replace them with your own sicophants >

Even if they are not any longer… their reputation of excellence is gone and they should no longer hold the responsibilities they once did.  Not responsible for the life of the president, not responsible for the national archives… it can’t be fixed… they must be removed of their role in the US Gov. >

Accountability in media will fix that.  Improve quality of information, reduce stupidity. >

Ya think? >

We dont want white supremacists at secret service level, need an investigation into that agency >

He's just now worried about this? 2 years too late man.. >

The first paragraph of the article explains he’s felt this way prior to being sworn in. >

Lights are definitely on but no one is home. >

So fucking fire them all and hire some new ones! >

What gave it away? What "suprise" will be revealed next? The AG was caught sucking trumps toes? >

It’s not an unfounded worry. >

We would be better served selecting our representatives by lottery >

D’oh! >

They are - SS is now infiltrated by Fascist and would betray our democracy on a dime - in my view! >

Is there a reason he can't just replace them then? >

Clean house, Joe. >

Shameful. Biden should fire all of them and pick his own people. Trump would not hesitate for a second. >

Trump probably gave them the top secret documents to plant at his other locations. >

They should clean house! Exterminate any that worked for Trump >

They are. They may not be willing to throw a coup for Trump, but they’d vote for him again. They spread rumors in his favor. >

What is it with centrists? Trump explicitly made an effort to purge every department of non loyalists and Biden is just “worried”. 
Newsflash . All the departments are biased towards loyalty to Trump >

Well, yeah, imagine the kind of bootlicker you'd have to be to willingly take a bullet for the US president. >

Biden also worries about more classified documents being discovered. >

lol nah >

Nah?  He’s screwed.  The Dems are set to throw him under the bus. >

Lol nah