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I completely agree. But I think this FUBAR gives the defence enough ammunition to close it all down. I hope I’m wrong
Voluntarily returned vs refused to return. 
Do the math. >

Also "Classified" vs. "TS/SCI source documents." >

They were discovered by his own attorney. He was the one that notified The National Archives. They promptly returned them.
It seems like there was nothing particularly sensitive there. 
And I guarantee Biden hasn't seen these documents in ages. They were in a box, in his garage, in his former residence. 
Trump had his sensitive top secret documents in his personal possession. In his safe and scattered around his office.  Was asked for over a year to return them to the federal government. Refused to the point that criminal investigators needed to get involved. 
It's not even close to the same thing. >

All this tells me is that there are likely hundreds of top secret documents floating around in random boxes and filing cabinets. I assume this is rather common. Trumps guilt comes from the fact he hid them, refused to return them, likely and stole them to sell. >

I'm sure Bush is nervously looking over at his filing cabinet. >

I guarantee every Congress member is frantically searching for any top secret documents they’ve forgotten about. >


Why are there so many BBQ's in D.C.? In January??? >

wth is going on with the National Archives? They didn't even notice these classified docs. were missing until Biden's lawyers told them they found them. >

I mean, do they have a full catalogue of every classified document? Seems unlikely >

What a shit show. I mean, obviously Biden shouldn't have had classified documents either, BUT, the fact that it is now being treated as the same as Trumps shit show is ridiculous. 
I suspect some heavy duty politics at play here. I just hate that we are on the defensive when this is apples and oranges.
Also, who knew the DOJ could move to quickly!? >

Look, if thr DOJ didn't move quickly, we already know what that would imply. Plus, I want them too. I want them to do their job. 
It is ridiculous to compare apples to oranges,  but this is just the state of affairs we are living through. We just need to play by the rules, even when it affects us. The others will crumble and implode because their rules are always changing. >

The issue here is that R’s don’t play by “the rules.”   They don’t even know what they are and they change them for maximum damage against D’s. He was gonna get impeached anyways, but this doesn’t help worth a fuck.  
Depending on who becomes the R candidate for President, it will make a difference in 2024. For now, it’s nothing. >

Oh I know. But if the Dems don't play by the rules, even for 1 second, that's it. They lose all credibility. >

Seems like the deck is intentionally rigged against us when the Dems have to play by the book but Republicans can openly violate federal law with zero consequences. >

No one said it was perfect. 🤷‍♀️it's just a hard truth I've learned from playing politics in the military. Those who get promoted because they've cheated will inevitably fail when it matters most. >

I think the Dems should have the GOP literally rounded up and mass arrested, but we all know that ain't happening lmao >

See as much as I personally like that, I also disagree with that. The last thing we need is to work against them. But talking about things that'll never happen, ill take 500 for  "The inability to work together" and the answer is "what is political parties Alex". >

Ok cool. Investigate why they were there. 
Also investigate who the fuck is in charge of classified documents because the paper trail of, hey where's this file seems to have a really bad chain of custody. 
Also, anyone have a guess as to how they were found now? Again, why didn't anyone notice these were missing for the last 6 years? >

I wonder if Biden was like "hmmm might want to just check my stuff" and had some people go looking. >

I assume that is what happened. Biden knows the current House is going to spend literally all their time trying to dig up dirt on him, so it makes sense to have your lawyers go through everything first. >

Do all the necessary investigating. Take it seriously. >

Not the same as Trump but still embarrassing. >

Yeah, this is extremely disappointing. While Trump obviously did much worse, we need to stop giving republicans reasons to say “What about…?” >

Couldn’t this actually have a flip side in the sense that now that Biden is being investigated (and there are even Democrats who want to know what exactly happened and support this investigation) that the GOP would have a weaker argument regarding them complaining about how Trump is being “persecuted” for the classified documents he had? That this classified document investigation thing is not just one sided? >

if some MAGA asshole works himself into a lather about this then I fully expect to throw Trump’s shit back in his face >

Perhaps it's time we revisit the ridiculous rules the Bush (W) 
administration, under the loving gaze of Dickie C, put into place about 
making information classified. They lowered the bar for what should be 
considered "classified" to keep any information about the Iraq war from 
getting to anybody, anywhere. Maybe we should find out how "classified" 
these docs are, as there many levels contained therein. >

Biden had a lot of other people around him with clearance. An investigation needs to be done to determine if he's even at fault. >

Yes, an investigation needs to happen.  Who packed the boxes and why no one even notice the material was missing until Biden's attorney's turned it in are a couple pieces of this puzzle.  But none of that will lift blame from Biden.  He's responsible for his office and his house.  Some of that material was mixed with personal papers about Beau Biden's funeral arrangements, which suggests a certain sloppiness in how stuff got stored.  There will be plenty of embarrassment to go around by the time this is over.  
That said, nothing yet points to criminality on Biden's part.  It sounds like elected officials and political appointees are poorly trained in how to handle classified material.  It sounds like the people who should be in charge of tracking the material don't have a particularly good system in place (again, NO ONE in the government knew the material was missing until Biden's lawyers gave it back).  It sounds like the system sets personnel up for failure, actually, and screw-ups are so common that criminal charges are more exception than rule. >

To me, the big difference is we all know Trump was probably trying to sell the information and Bidens more dislike the absent-minded professor. >

Voted for Biden.
Go ahead and investigate. Use all the same measures that were taken during Trump’s investigation.
If it comes to light that he committed a, or multiple crimes, then I support any subsequent charges.
If it’s found that he didn’t commit any crimes, then I say to republicans; piss the fuck off. >

The GOP can't keep its head on straight, it is so not the same by any means, I swear the current GOP and supporters are going to drive US straight off the cliff. >

Big difference - President Biden IS working with investigator: Huge difference than criminal Trump! >

Slipping out a couple of old files here and there over time and then put in the right place to just create the appearance of negligence or worse - then the spin of outrageous false equivalencies can follow. >

The level of classification also matters when considering possible charges. Trump had some of the most sensitive material, which could've done irreparable longterm harm. >

Not like the 300 Trump transported to Mar-a-Lago Top Secret documents? >

He's not even trying. Trump had 100's. Joe, you need to do better. >

They're going to have a really hard time finding an example of Biden accidentally sending a violent mob to overthrow the US government. >

The time to prosecute that case was months ago. It's not happening. >

I know it’s Bidens people who found and reported the documents, but am I the only one that finds it odd that this comes out right after the election? Why were the found now and not sometime over the last 6 years? >

Well technically they were found before the midterms - the fact that it wasn’t reported before the midterms is likely to become a bigger story.  
We don’t really know why his personal lawyers were the ones cleaning out files from the Penn Biden Center. >


the fact that it wasn’t reported before the midterms is likely to become a bigger story.

The day they found the documents they reported them to the national archive. >

Apologies for not being clearer, by “reported”, I meant reported in the press, addressing the commenter’s comment about this “coming out” after the election.
Current information suggests Biden was aware of the documents at the Penn Biden Center and that the National Archives had been informed before the midterms, but that information wasn’t shared with the public until now. >

Why would he immediately share it with the public? There's literally no upside there. >

Lock him up!
/s >

JUST DO WHAT TRUMP SAID 
“There doesn’t have to be a process, as I understand it,” Trump said. “You’re the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying it’s declassified, even by thinking about it.” >

He also said you can't even investigate a sitting president! >

Too bad. The case against Trump has now sailed because of this. Incompetence has allowed wilful criminality to succeed >

No it hasn't because obstruction is still on the table. >

I admire your optimism, let’s see how it plays out >

I mean, I'm not really optimistic. But Trump did 100% lie, and obstruct returning the documents. Plus if any documents had any Intel regarding nuclear, he can't declassify that stuff by himself. Not even thinking it.