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I mean, it's a fairy tale, anything is possible in a fictional story
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Imagine you're just born and days later you're fucking your clone. Next thing you know God curses you and your offspring for a thousand generations because you ate the wrong fruit. >

The fruit thing feels like a setup anyway. It's like you left out a bowl of candy for a kid and told him to never eat one certain kind in the bowl. >

That is explicitly how theology proposes this works.
The crime wasn’t in the action (eating fruit) but in disobeying god.
The issue with this is.... the fruit they ate was that of knowledge of good and evil.
How the hell were Adam and Eve supposed to know that disobeying god was wrong if they don’t have a concept of right or wrong prior to eating the fruit? 
Rhetorical question. Of fucking course, they couldn’t. So they and their offspring would suffer for committing a crime they didn’t possess the capacity to knowingly commit until the moment they’d committed said crime. 
God is a scumbag. >

I thought they got kicked out because they broke obedience to God. Obeying an order doesn't require you to consider if said order is good or evil. >

The issue is they couldn’t have known that disobedience was wrong in the first place.
God said don’t do it, satan said they should. How should they know who to listen to?
Answer is they can’t. Because they literally don’t understand right from wrong until after eating the fruit.
This is the equivalent of punishing a baby who’s drawn on the walls with crayon after telling them they can’t by chucking them out of the house. >

There is no God and no one was actually kicked out of a mythical garden, I believe the point of this parable was to obey the word of God (that we made up) without question or thought.
Saying God is a scumbag for kicking them out is missing the point of the tale. Blind obedience is considered a virtue. Listening to others and then making your own moral judgments (right or wrong) contrary to the word of God is a sin. >


There is no God and no one was actually kicked out of a mythical garden, I believe the point of this parable was to obey the word of God (that we made up) without question or thought.
Saying God is a scumbag for kicking them out is missing the point of the tale. Blind obedience is considered a virtue. Listening to others and then making your own moral judgments (right or wrong) contrary to the word of God is a sin.

I'm sorry, but this is an incorrect take.
For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Galatians 5:13‭-‬14 NKJV
And He entered the synagogue again, and a man was there who had a withered hand. So they watched Him closely, whether He would heal him on the Sabbath, so that they might accuse Him. And He said to the man who had the withered hand, “Step forward.” Then He said to them, “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they kept silent. And when He had looked around at them with anger, being grieved by the hardness of their hearts, He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched it out, and his hand was restored as whole as the other.
Mark 3:1‭-‬5 NKJV
The entire point of Jesus' coming was to free us from a set of rules. "Don't be self-serving," basically. Don't mix Republicanism with Christianity. >

Did you really just tell someone with an Atheistic stance on God that they were wrong by quoting scripture at them? You really don't get it do you? Blind faith above all else, lest ye admit thy hath been duped from the start. >

The second part, not the first. Listening to others and then making moral judgements is literally the point. >

The Bible has Adam grow to something like 930 or so years old.
Where's the assumption that he had anything close to the same maturation process as normal humans coming from? >

I read ancient jewish people used the moon to track time so adam would bn about 30.
They count phases of the moon not years. >

That wouldn't explain why the lifespan every generation gradually went down until Moses who died an old man at the age of 120. Not to mention Adam had a child at the age of 130, which by that calendar would make him too young. Genesis 5: 

3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

130/900 is 14.4% of Adam's life, so if he died at the age of 30 that means he had a son at age 4. If he lived to a ripe old 80, his son would be born when he was 11. I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that you're supposed to understand it as Adam lived for actual centuries. >

Methusla died during the flood and was the oldest if were talking bible lore. Supposedly only 1656 passed from the time between adam and moses but adam lived for 1000 years.  The time doesn't make any sense because they were nomadic tribes back then. They didnt keep books and records they told storie. Remember playing telephone in school.
Also considering not one date was written down. How did adam track time at all? Why would he? >

I obviously don't believe in those fairy tales but iirc Exodus is supposed to happen ~1500 BCE, and the year now is 5782, so by quick maths that means around 2200 years between Adam and Moses. >

I just looked it up and that's going by their time. They think the worlds 5000 year old. 
Still even 2200 years and adam lived a 1000 methusala lived to the flood and was a 1000 none of it adds up.
I think old people like to lie about their age lol. Guess wants your so old and everybody died you can just wing it. >

Methuselah didn't wait for Adam to die before he was born... Adam was 190 when Methuselah was born. I'm not saying it's true, but it's internally consistent. You can look up biblical timelines if you want, they have ones with years and everything
But anyway that's a creation myth, like this appears in the book before the invention of different languages so clearly it's not eyewitness accounts >

Yeah thats my point. Hell it like jesus never writing any books most of it makes no sense or logic that adds up. >

Right? He had the body of an adult but he had the mind of a toddler really.
Imagine getting so mad and outraged because your toddler son misbehaved! >

And how do you know god gave adam the mind of a toddler and not a mind of an adult? >

He was my great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather >

Technically, for those who believe, he is everyone's great*240 grandfather... >

I mean there absolutely was a first human. No belief involved. >

it may not be as cut and dry as 'the first human'. neanderthal dna can be found in our dna, and several different species similar to us were roaming around at the same time. >

Yeah but there was at one time one human and then others came about >

like in Transformers G1 where you got robots who are 2 million years old working with robots who were just built an episode ago. somehow these massive age gaps are fine with everyone >

When Artemis was born, she helped her mother as a midwife at the birth of her TWIN Apollon.
The thing is: Mythology doesn't want to be realistic, it wants to tell something. >

Artemis is a special woman though. :) >

At least they had computers. Eve had an Apple, Adam had a Wang. >

Man that joke is dated. >

A lot of things don't make much sense with religion if you scrutinize it at the same level as science. >

Or at the level of basic logic.
That's the problem when you try to interpret metaphorical religious doctrine as absolute fact. >

No confusion.  Dude was the smartest guy on earth.  He named all the animals, he had a direct intellect download from God. >

Wasn't he the only guy on earth? >

Hence the smartest >

Now I'm just imagining God being a clueless parent for the baby Adam. Having absolutely no idea what babies eat.
Why are you still crying? You can't be hungry... I just gave you an apple! Can't you suckle on it with your gums? I knew I should have created teeth first... You know what? You're never getting apples again just for how difficult you're being right now. Apples shall henceforth be forbidden! JUST STOP CRYING! >

I think it is weirder that they gave the ring to a hobbit. But in the end, it worked, so who am i to judge. >

So weird that one might suspect that the story could possibly be a fabrication. >

It's not weird when you consider the whole plotline of the book is complete bulkshit nonsense. >

You're saying that in a way that implies it actually happened. It's fiction. >

Ooo, so edgy >

God told Lot that he was pretty cool so he shouldn't come to Sodom tomorrow, then when Lot's wife looked back God yelled "no, don't look at meeeee" and turned her to salt, and you're going to call literally anything criticizing this guy "edgy"? God is the teenager who isn't "being challenged" and thus isn't "applying himself" and his friend Jesus has to reluctantly apologize for his behavior. >

Ah yes, the story of how lots wife finally escaped her terrible marriage! >

Literally why is she not called Salt Bae? Predated that other guy by a couple years at least, give or take a few zeroes, and her biggest crime was apparently that she felt remorse for the people she left behind as she was physically in the process of leaving them behind. 
Salt bae: I'm sure going to miss those wild friends I had good times with, but I need to move on because God demands it...
God: not good enough. >

Given the intelligence that has grown over the centuries, we never ask, how dumb was Adam compared to today's average human? >

I would guess very, but people are pretty fuckin stupid these days so... maybe about the same actually >

Not even close to the weirdest thing about the whole story lol. >

Yah it is weird, because he never existed, that's why it also doesn't make any sense 🤠👍 >

It's also weird that most paintings of him show him having a navel. >

I know right? He ate an apple, not an orange >

If that's the most hard to understand thing about the bible.... you should read a bit further... >

Nah punishing basically a baby for doing something they can't know as wrong is pretty damn confusing. >

Adam being created as an adult is an assumption. The Bible doesn’t say at what stage of development he was created at, only that he was created in God’s image.
Also, at this point humans lived forever as death was not a thing yet, so human development could have been vastly different then what we are used to today.
It’s possible that Adam went through his entire early development being cared for by God (who walked with him hand in hand in the garden) and then was given Eve once he became an adult.
But I don’t know. >

Adam ate the fruit.
Their eyes were opened and their innocence, lost. They ran from God and His presence soon after, and were expelled from the garden, paradise lost. >

How does that quote support this perspective I've never heard ? >

I never heard what this guy saying either. I just posted what they claimed after adam ate the apple. To me it just allegory for the coming of age and understanding sexual attraction. >

I'm not religious, but I find it interesting, I've never heard anyone claim that Adam ate the fruit.  
Banishment, floods, plaques, I take it as a control power play.  You do not want to F with me, do what I say or I'll make your eternity hell. >

Eve pick and ate the fruit and then gave it to adam. which i think was used to point to women for the fall. Its always a power play older people trying to contol the younger generations. >

Eve was deceived and ate the fruit, and Adam went with it, instead of taking the matter to God and sorting it out between the three of them.
On top of that, Adam blamed God for Eve's actions, almost saying God made Eve defective, instead of admitting his own fault. >

Well that be 2nd defective model because lilith supposedly left adam for god lol. I think of chuck in supernatural lol. 
Sorry bro like you love who you love lmao! >

Imagine how weird it is that people take the Adam and Eve story literally? >

I mean he was doing toddler shit. Running around naked, hanging with any animal, eating whatever. >

Imagine Adam and Eve with their first son or daughter and just not knowing wtf to do when puberty starts lol. >

Almost all fruit in the garden of Eden was edible.  Maybe he was like a toddler who stuck random things in his mouth and ate them.  A toddler phase in an adult body would be weird but possible.  There were no diseases, so poop was safe.  I don't know how many years Adam was in the garden until he met Eve.  I don't know how many years Eve was in the garden.  Maybe Eve couldn't get pregnant until she was kicked out. >

I lost track of the lore because it changed anytime you'd ask a specific line of reasoning, but I'm pretty sure one cultist said the only reason women suffer the pain of childbirth was due to adam/eve breaking their lease agreement.  
Otherwise you just rip out body parts for a fuckbuddy? >

It took me a good minute to figure out which Adam we were talking about. It's noon here and I guess I still need more caffeine. >

we didn’t think too hard when coming up with explanations back then >

Just another thing to add to the already massive list of things in the bible which only make sense if you're desperate for it to make sense. >

I'd say it's weirder the fact that people think this guy existed lol >

Even more weird that people believe it's true, or that god(s) exist. >

I can believe something we'd consider a "god" exists, somewhere out there. That's easy, it just needs to know more than us.  
What I can't/won't believe is something like that gives one iota of a fuck about what's going on down here, or it's responsible for anything that's happened on this cosmic dirtclod. That's like the pinnacle of human arrogance. We don't even give a fuck about other species we know about on this planet, much less the ones we can't perceive; but something of that stature to us cares that I rub one out to "morally questionable" material? Or I turned a light on the wrong day of the week? Really?! >

What's even weirder is how Cain and Abel had kids when there was only them and Adam and Eve >

*10 year old me laughing at the mental gymnastics a youth pastor displayed trying to make it make sense >

There’s a lot of things wrong with the way the bible and stuff is shown and kept hidden from us. Like fuck they say that Jesus’ foreskin but hidden in some bs made up vault of hidden scriptures, and sadly the last time I saw a video of religious shit on reddit they were acting almost like a nazi cult. Don’t trust the churches dude, they’ve always rubbed off the wrong way in classes, like using fear tactics to get people to pray and go to church, saying the devil will get them for their sins and they’d go to hell for not praying and showing loyalty. They are also legally not allowed to get involved with politics and the government but they are and they still do, but no one will do anything about it because they get fucked by the church’s influence for trying. >

The church I went to as a kid supposedly had a scrap of a bone from some guy who’s been dead for around 2000 years that they now call a saint.
I grew up in a town of 9000 people. How does that happen? Dude has a little bucket of bones? And every time they open a church… “Here you go, put this in a special place. We can say yours is from Saint Patrick. They’ll never figure out the truth. Plus it will make you popular in March.” >

Rationality is the prequel that ruins the Star Wars of mythology. There were no midiclorians in the Garden of Eden, alright? >

I had to read comments to figure out who you were talking about >

anything is possible in a fairy tale or fiction.... I'll bet he could fly too, but they edited it out to give more space to Moses... >

Yeah these stories are told by people who were burning bushes right into their lungs & hallucinating >

This is what creationists call “apparent age”. It’s how they excuse things like the age of the earth. Because if Adam were created as an adult who would be verified as one under testing, but was actually 15 minutes old, then that’s why radio carbon dating says the earth is 4B years old when it’s actually mere thousands >

A very Christian friend once rationalized this out for me - presumably on the fly - as that Adam was made in god's image, and so retained the perfection of a god that... kind of forgot about a bunch of things, and somehow made a whole universe just to create two people on Earth as an experiment..? whatever. Anyway, so the thought apparently was that Adam was partially celestially divine, while Eve is sort of just not important in terms of genetics anyway, and so they didn't have to worry about any of that sort of stuff. And presumably, then, since Adam goes on to have a family and living in sin, that also reflects on what "god" is, I guess, but not really, because... don't ask questions.
And I said, so, what you're saying is that Adam started out as a divine creation, with a sacred bloodline, and then things went downhill from there? And the guy goes, unfazed, yes, until Jesus came and renewed the whole thing.
That this just happens to align with royal inbreeding and the various Christian cults dominating for large parts of western history, and that then literally became hostile to the thought that selective evolution even is a thing, that was just not in there, and not relevant.
And I go, so you're telling me that Adam, presumably a guy in Africa, was the origin of all people. And then that a brown middle-eastern carpenter's son was the closest to divinity since. And all our kings and god-given rulers and holy men all stem from brown middle-easterners and Africans? The guy was a "kind" racist, so I couldn't resist.
And the guy literally goes: no, but Jesus was white, so god has to be as well.
Just screw everything and justify your first bullshit instinct as divine truth. It was better, for everyone, if I didn't question it, and didn't make the guy actually spell out and take the practical implications of the bullshit he genuinely believed, seriously. It was just simply better to never question it, so that the whimsical bullshit could just float downstream untouched, and get submerged quietly in the sea without anyone noticing. >

“But Jesus was white”
Lmao >

He actually was grown inside the egg like white moon before it crashed into earth tho. >

No, it was stated that he was created from the dust on the ground. >

That's why God told him to stay away from the fucking tree.  Adam had no clue that there were problems until he did. >

Eve fucked around and Adam found out. >

That was the first fuck around and find out by mankind. >

They're the reason why Flossing exist >

Yeah, sweetie, it doesn’t work like that. It’s a story - like “Peter Pan” and “Rapunzel”
You can write anything in a story… >

“Sapiens” by Yuval Noah Harari, needs to be mandatory reading for every industrialized civilization.  Storytelling as a means to manage a large group of people working and living in a society. >

That's the beauty of religion, it doesn't have to make sense.
If it did all make sense we'd call it science. >

If this is a shower thought then how much weirder are Trans people? >

No less weird than the infinite  universe suddenly existing after the big bang with absolutely nothing in existence before it. >

No one who understands science believes that.  It is simply the farthest point we can see the effect of.  Whether or not it was the beginning of the universe or not is simply something we don't know but it's likely it was not.  Your argument basically comes down to "Something can't come from nothing, therefore the only explanation is that something came from nothing." >

I have not argued anything. Just pointed out the unlikleness of both concepts. >

Which is an apples and oranges comparison since people actually believe in the big angry sky daddy >

I don't understand how people assume that Adam started as a full grown adult, it never specifies how long Adam and Eve existed in the Garden of Eden before Satan convinced Eve that Sex Before Marriage was okay. But just imagine how long it would take for you to try to make names for every living thing. Just imagine it. How long do you think it took Adam, who had no knowledge other than what he was learning from The Father? The Garden of Eden existed for centuries before the fall. Why do you think that GOD limited Mankind to 120 years after the fall? Because they lived for 1200 years before the fall, and therefore God limited them to experience ALL of that weariness that life brings in the first 10% of their years, and most can not even handle the stresses of life to want to live past 25 or so without GOD. >

Sex before marriage is ok there were only two people. Marriage is a moot point do you forsake all others adam.
Adam looks around well  im not fucking a goat lol. >


Sex before marriage is ok there were only two people

It does not matter how many people there were, if GOD deigns that Humans Must Marry Before Sex, Since GOD DOES NOT CHANGE, Then Sex Before Marriage is a Sin. >

People get married as a contract between two people to forsake others. 
Imagine being created by God to reproduce and make more but you need to get married. 
God made eve for adam why would god be like yo adam you better put a ring on it.
Considering he had not ate the apple yet and was essentially dumb. >


God made eve for adam why would god be like yo adam you better put a ring on it.

Because Sex wasn't taught to them yet. And they had no idea what sexual desire was until The Fall Of Man. But I am not wrong, and you will see with your own eyes someday the truth of my statement(s). >

Yep just like most relgious fanatic im right you will see lmao. 
Sex wasnt taught to them so god taught to adamike god had to teach him the birds and the nees or did he instantly know.
(Its parabable how a child goes from not understanding about sex aka innocence and then hits puberty and knows has to tge desire to reproduce. 
I thinks its funny how people believe the book is the word of god yet written by man. Gods word is written down in nature that he created. 
a goat camel etc how to have sex. You logic is flawed if we went by your logic we are all from incest. 
Yet somehow cain took a wife in the land of NOD. >

Do you believe that GOD also created other beings that were human like? Like the "Neanderthals"? Because because Humans thought Sex was great, they bred with what they considered a "Like Kind", but just like donkeys and Horses can breed, but their children are unable to reproduce, Humans who slept with Neanderthals are the tares of the Bible. They may be able to have children, but they are those who deny the WORD of GOD and damn those who speak the Truth, for no one who Loves GOD, would deny that God's Truth Is Real.

or did he instantly know

Do children ever instinctively know anything other than to eat, breathe, shit, piss, and cry for attention? Of course God taught them, or was at least trying to in an appropriate time-frame. >

Now your using anthropology to back up your statements yet they have never found anybody living over a 120 years especially from ancient times.
Its not god truth or he wouldnt need someone who so easilsy disrespected through no action but his own. 
Yep prophets are always wrong! Because they think they know the true word of god why do you think christianity has over 20,000 sub divisions. >


Yep prophets are always wrong!

Look, It is obvious to me that you don't respect GOD, so I will bow out of our "conversation" but I want you to know, Prophets are not always wrong, otherwise the Word of GOD wouldn't still exist. >

I respect god just not the barbaric jealous wrathful child like christian version. 
Also i didnt know you were god when did i disrespect god??
The bible is not the word of god or can you explain why God would need to translate or rewrite the bible every 10 years. 
Didnt specifically say in the bible the time if prophets has ended.
Also
A prophet is a man called by God to be His representative on earth. When a prophet speaks for God, it is as if God were speaking (see D&C 1:38). A prophet is also a special witness for Christ, testifying of His divinity and teaching His gospel. A prophet teaches truth and interprets the word of God.
You speak as if god were speaking throughyou  yet you got mad at disrespect see the logic. 
Dont forget God gets angry, jealous, wrathful erc sounds like a child not a omioptent all knowing being >

No not at all weird. He was created a full grown adult. As for the confusion part he was given knowledge of things, free will to make decisions by God. Which prepared him for his purpose on earth. >

Eat, reproduce and then die in some way or what? I've never been religious and only ever had good things happen to me so what's the story? >

Reproduce, and so the human race begins. >

The story of Adam has been tortured and abused so much that no ‘true’ story seems to exist anymore. It’s all just hyperbole at this point. >

I don't want to say that the bible is hyperbolic, considering it's all just pure nonsense anyway. >

Starting from the assumption that God exists, which i do believe so:
You can see light from galaxies millions of years away, that means God created things with age. That means he created Adam as an adult, not with childhood memories, but already knowing how to walk, speak, and who God was. Adam started hes days listening and understanding, walking, speaking >

How?? >

I was a bit drunk, looking back I can't even justify that comment myself sorry. >

Early Literature never really explains in detail as to the why and how stuff works since it doesn't really matter. I think it has to do with back then, the threshold for suspension of disbelief is a bit more relaxed. Kind of like how during the golden age of comics Superman can sneeze and blow up the universe, where as to now he can't really do that because modern readers would think that is either silly or bullshit. >

“Personal perspectives, crazy ideas, questions (rhetorical or otherwise) and meta submissions are not shower rhoughts.” Straight from the mods. >

Also naked without the ability to know right from wrong. Then cursed for gaining that ability. I mean how is a curse justified when Adam didn't have the mental capacity to understand it was wrong to disobey God?
Is God less just and merciful than modern humans? If a man lacks mental capacity to understand the nature of a crime, we don't proceed with a criminal trial. >

no bellybutton either. that probably seemed weird when they had their first kid. >

Also for thought, why do both Adam and Eve (not sure about Lilith) have belly buttons? >

Jesus was born and... now's he's a grown man... nothing to see here.  
If you ever get a chance to read transcripts of the passages that were edited out of the bible, do so. It's hilarious. They had dragons and Jesus had rebellious teenage years where he killed a few people and more talking animals. >

The couldnt CGI Dwayne Johnson as a little kid so they skipped to adulthood >

Well he had to ruin everything, so ofc he'd ruin childhood first >

You should read Mark Twain's short stories.  They are SO much better than his novels they made us read in school.  That Day In Eden, Eve Speaks, Mysterious Stranger, and Letters From The Earth.  He definitely had opinions that the Protestants (then and now) wouldn't like. >

You got me with the 'confusion' and made this little rant bubble up.
The sad part of it, for me, is how this creation myth has lead to a few thousand years of a good percentage of humans believing from infancy that they were created and put on earth as something apart from it.  There is all the natural world and then there is me here experiencing it.  Alien to it and lord over it.
I believe it may be a root cause of our most basic dysfunctions.  We are the earth.  Everything about us is from the earth and is in a constant flow and exchange with our environment.  We've sprung from the earth just like the plants and trees.  
For anyone who hasn't given it much thought, I beseech you to...  There's a comfort and strength that can be had thru realization that you not only belong here but nothing about you is conceivable or possible except that you grew up out of this earth like every other natural being.
Poor Adam.  How was he ever supposed to get all that right? >


The sad part of it, for me, is how this creation myth has lead to a few thousand years of a good percentage of humans believing from infancy that they were created and put on earth as something apart from it.

I'm confused on this. Which denomination is pushing this ignorant point of view? Because the Bible says that God created it all, so humans, animals, stars, and the earth were all created. So to say that God created humans apart from the earth and placed us on earth contradicts the book that they are following.