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The issue is, and always will be, easy access to many guns. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either paid by the NRA or brainwashed by the NRA.
There was an extensive study done by Janet Reno's Department of Justice that found commonality in regards in parental neglect especially in regards to strong male role model concern.  This isn't spoke of very much as US politics has devolved into capitalizing on problems rather than focusing on solutions.  Every school shooting there's a circus for the media, a chance for politicians to grandstand and increase in firearm sales. >


Department of Justice that found commonality in regards in parental neglect especially in regards to strong male role model concern.  This isn't spoke of very much as US politics has devolved into capitalizing on problems rather than focusing on solutions

Lmao, What political solution is there to this? >

Raise the country's happiness index. Educational campaigns for fathers. Lessen financial burdens of the lower class so there isn't as much stress at home. >

Some blame goes to the media, who has a field day every time there is a school shooting and every news network fights for the “HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE SHOOTER. EXCLUSIVELY HERE” headline. They seem to inspire copycats for attention they seek. >

This. Want a free biography written about you? And a great way to show yourself giving a giant middle finger to the world/establishment/society? >

It's like the people who decided to crack down on teen smoking by banning flavored tobacco in CA.
The age to purchase is already 21. Legal smokers suffer while teens buy knockoff pens with no oversight. Where there's a demand, there's a market. Prop 64 proved that when the illegal weed market overtook the legal weed market, after the price of legal weed shot up 100%. 
California responds to gun crime by banning guns with intimidating looking features. Criminals still own said guns. Legal owners who jump through the hoops of gun ownership ultimately have the most restricted access. 
We had a school shooting at my college once, while the president was in town, and the shooter used an AR that he built entirely in his bedroom. State restrictions on his activities had zero impact on his ability to source it. 
Stupid logic with an inevitably stupid outcome that doesn't address the initial problem. >

When people say we shouldn't blame gun laws here in America, and we need to focus on the kids who might not be doing well, we're forgetting that Americans have the easiest access to guns imaginable.
Put it this way. We have 322,000,000 people or so. We have around 393,000,000 guns. We have more guns than people. We experience the highest school shooting rate among any industrialized country.
People always passing out prayers like candy conveniently forget the logistics of murder in the US. If we didn't have so many guns, we wouldn't have so many shootings.
A lot of countries have guns half their population. Places like Germany I believe. They're not scrambling to find out how to stop an endless amount of school shootings, because they're not overrun with guns.
I'll close off my rebuttal by saying that while I understand using guns as a recreational item, does everyone and their toddler really need a gun? >

I am a gun owner. I have my concealed carry. Had training. Lock my guns up. When I did my concealed carry permit, I had an extensive background check and they had to log my fingerprints. I’m responsible.
I also want every advantage to protecting myself. I’m not out to "fight the authority". I want to protect me and my family. The main argument I hear when gun control comes up is "The criminals will still have guns." I believe that. I saw a video on Reddit of preteen youths showing off their Glocks with extended mags. Then they pointed out all of them had the "switch" which is a modification that makes the gun full auto. These kids cannot just walk in a gun store and buy them. And those switches make them illegal according to the ATF. How did they get them?
When I see how easy it is for young criminals to get guns and how little an impact the "War on Drugs" is having, I don’t feel safe not having one. >

The issue with figuring out how to prevent these events is that each one is completely unique some are caused by life long mental health problems some are caused by bullying or sometimes people just snap one day.
We need a better way to recognize people who are struggling and getting actual help I have no idea how to go about this but what we're doing now clearly isn't working.
Also strict gun laws will do absolutely nothing to prevent these events or any crimes at all and the fact that so much time, money, and effort goes into it means the chances of meaningful change is almost zero. >


Most school shooters are isolated, bullied kids. 

No, they're not.
It's a popular legal defense mass shooters use, going all the way back to Columbine.
But it's bullshit.  Most of them have been bullies their whole lives. >

In fact in the case of Columbine. The reason they were isolated is because nobody liked them as they were bullies. We can thank the media for the lovely lie of them being loners who got harassed. >

they were bullied, there was a crazy bullying problem at that school and a massive whitewashing campaign after the shooting. This is verified by scores of former students. Acknowledging that doesn’t mean you condone school shootings but the creepy narrative control that everyone collectively pushes for isn’t helping anyone or preventing any shootings. >


there was a crazy bullying problem at that school and a massive whitewashing campaign after the shooting. This is verified by scores of former students.

Those aren't mutually exclusive...
There could be a big bullying problem.
And they could have been bullies and not victims. >

I think the parents are also at fault. Most of the school shooting i know of, the kid that shot up came from a fucked up family with parents and other family members who didn't give the kid enough attention or love. But the  social environment in most schools also doesn't help. >

They should blame the shooter. >

Nope.
Most school shooters are bullies themselves. Most of them DO have mental disorders.
No civilized society should allow deadly firearms to be accessible to minors without close and constant adult supervision. >

You do realize there are laws already exactly for those cases? A child taking their parents gun is illegal for the parent. >

I swear half of Reddit thinks a 5 year old can walk into a gas station and buy an AK-47 on the spot. >

I don't care enough to look it up, but I recall reading a study about how incidents of self-harm increased in correlation with media portrayal of self-harm, like it became culturally understood that it was something people did when depressed. In that same way, I think it has become culturally understood that shooting up the school is something people do when depressed, bullied, etc. You can find an edge case for anything, but it wasn't a thing in the 70s the way its a thing today.
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But I don't know what the answer is. You can't muzzle people when it happens and they talk about it. >

As long as the Cartels can move freely across our boarders none of the gun talk will ever matter. 
If there is a need for a black market item it's coming across and guess who then will be in possession of most of the illegal "insert name here" >

How about we

Rein in gun laws to protect people
Invest in mental health infastructure to take care about people
Collectively we need to be better parents, and raise kids who don't get off on making others feel small (which means you don't make your kids feel small or unimportant while you are raising them)

Basically we could all just not be dicks if we wanted. >

Exactly! I don’t understand why people have to blame only one thing, it’s pretty obviously a combination of issues that all need to be dealt with. >

Addressing bullying is the same thing as addressing mental health; one issue begets the other.
But gun laws are still probably the biggest problem. Too many gun-related crimes only happen because the perpitrator has access to a gun. Even if we did absolutely nothing to address mental health, restricting guns would reduce many school shootings to simply being "school stabbings" or "school fistfights", which I think is a step in the right direction. >

Here in india if a sociopathic man-child wants to do a school shooting then getting a gun for them is  impossible,so its everything to do with guns,which is why this is one of those issues in foreign politics where i am surest in my stance
Although i think america has now crossed the point of no return >

I think the issue is: 
Home life. School can be made the most magical place on earth but it doesn’t mean anything if your home life is terrible. 
It’s also hard to make change when you take a nuisanced approach. Yes, school shootings are not cookie cutter events who have the same answer every time. But right now, the priority in America isn’t to get rid of all school shootings. The priority is to get school shootings to a ‘normalized’ level. 
America’s situation is unique. No other country with this level of wealth and tech has this many school shootings. Even taking population into account, it’s still crazy high. 
In short, the situation is too severe to think of nuisance in this moment. You need sweeping legislation to get things to a manageable level. Then you focus on the underlying issues that require a slower, more delicate touch. 
Guns should be harder to get ahold of. Much harder. The right to own one should at least be as difficult as having a driver’s license. Parents need to put their guns under lock and key. And yeah, some guns should be illegal or at least require some serious bs paperwork to own. 
Get the death toll down. Then focus on culture, empathy, over burdened social services, and all the other nuts and bolts that contribute to school shootings. >

I agree with much of what you’ve said, but I always wonder about the rise in mass shootings in the US since Columbine vs changes in gun laws. Have gun laws gotten more lax in the last 30 years? I’m no expert, but that doesn’t appear to be the case. Yet still, rates of mass shootings have gone through the roof. 
I think that we’ve had a crisis of meaning over the last 30 years. Young men and women are grasping for some feeling of purpose in their lives, and, particularly in the case of young men, this listlessness and disillusionment with life can have incredibly violent ramifications for society. >

The gun laws aren’t anywhere near on the level as where they need to be. But yes, the other issue is American culture venerates guns. Even if we banned all guns, many would still keep them. Hide them, whatever. 
So you have a point. It may be too late. We can’t remove guns from households at this point and a culture change that would see guns properly respected as tools of war and death (not hunting rifles. Hand guns, shot guns, everything that was designed with the purpose of killing people, not animals) would take generations. 
So that leaves preventative measures. I don’t know what that would even be so I guess you have a point. It might take nuisanced culture change to see any real improvement.