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The amount of people in this thread simping for their bosses is disgusting
I disagree when I work harder at my job I make more money because they give me more hours and then I get promoted so I make more money. Or at least this is just my experience with jobs >

I stayed with a company for a year and half always doing projects ahead of schedule and actually got a pay decrease so it’s not always great lmao >

Was the pay decrease during covid? Because many took pay cuts >

It was actually before and it wasn’t a small cut either it was like two dollars less >

Oh damn, that sucks >

I loved the job too I hated to leave but I needed money >

Unless you want to work towards a promotion / salary increase in which case it is helpful to work harder than expected. >

Last time I actually tried to work harder for a raise they gave me 20 cents more an hour. Then I left the goddamn industry and joined a union. FUCK THEM. >

What if the boss isn't on anybody's back about their work rate? >

this only seems to apply to low level hourly jobs.  More meaningful careers are far more complex due to the many ways you can work harder and enrich yourself at the same time.  The compensation for extra efforts is also more complicated.  
That said,  I kinda agree that people really shouldn't work too hard.  but it's a personal choice that can be pretty complicated to judge in some general way. >

The more complicated models include more complicated mechanisms to exploit the help.
Imagine this: As good as you are at your job, the asshole who makes his living exploiting you is that good at his job, and the system has its thumb on the scale in his favor. >

Sure but I was getting at the many careers like mine are actually enjoyable.. i studied many years to get where I am and Im awesome at what i do.  I am greatly rewarded for it.   Both in company compensation and personal enrichment.  It's not like washing dishes...  the better I am at my job, the better, smarter I am at lots of other things and even more and more able to start my own biz.   it's complicated. >

It's not that complicated, but it is rare. Think about continents. Think about the planet. How much of the human race enjoys a position like yours? How many are scraping a living off the ceiling, rather than the floor? >

that was my original point.  this post doesn't apply to the people who were blessed enough to be able to go to college and choose their careers.  
Often working hard has great benefits in those careers. That's what makes all that ridiculously hard in college work so worth it.  Very often it pays back BIG and not just in money.  
I know it's not so black and white but college really wouldn't be such a popular thing if it didn't pay off and make peoples lives worlds better. >

Lots of people studied hard their entire life, applied for financial aid, went to college, and made something of themselves. Me me me Instagram everyone famous TikTok generation is insufferable. >

Don't see why it's unfair to put in more work, especially if you wanna really improve. >

Did you even read my post? I explained why it's unfair to everyone else who now has to work at your speed because you want to show off while only your boss wins. >


because you want to show off

I work harder to improve, I don't care bout showing off plus I like more money so... >

Again, did you even read my post?
If you work harder, you should be compensated for working harder. In an hourly situation like the above, you aren't. >

And Ima still work hard to improve myself, nobody's stopping you from working harder as well. >

That’s the exact point: they shouldn’t have to. 
Know your employer. Some places, working harder means you get more money and recognition. Some places, working harder just sets a new floor for your co-workers to keep up with while you all get 10 cent annual raises. >

This is the mentality of someone whose never been rewarded with promotions for working hard. If you’re busting your ass and not growing your career, you’re wasting your time. >

All of my promotions came from steady work and kissing ass, never working above or beyond. That only got me exploited by managers that had me working extra for free; why would they give that opportunity work? >

Then you’re working for the wrong people at the wrong company. >

Lmao ok I’ve worked for several companies and it’s always the same. >

It's almost comical how people rush to defend all employers just because they personally haven't been exploited like that. While that's the majority of employers.  
"It hasn't happened to me, so therefore it doesn't happen to anyone, ever, period". >

OP’s take is equally unreasonable though.
“It’s happened to me a few times, so therefore it must happen to everyone in all industries and roles, every time.” >

I'm not OP but my experiences align largely with his.
That said, I recognize that two people is hardly a decent sample size for any kind of comparative study. Which is why I said in another post in this thread that there has to be some kind of golden middle ground between going the extra mile while not making yourself a virtual slave, depending on how your employer reciprocates. >

You’re pretty much talking about unionizing without saying it. >

Sorry, my work ethic and ADHD won't let me slack. >

I work in construction.  If I ever thought about it, I figured the progression would be:  Learn, get gud, get faster, run a crew, run a small job, run a big job.  Been pretty much that way.  (Cripes, 20 years this year)  
Most guys that I have working for me either don't have the aptitude to (which is fine, the work they are doing is important at our level) or have no aspirations to take greater responsibility.  They see the stress I am under (it is always stressful) and don't think the amount of extra compensation I receive is worth it.  They just do what the other guys are doing and live their lives.  Fair enough.  
But the guy that isn't exactly lighting the world on fire see the amount of effort put in by the guy who could be better and decides to put in the same amount of effort.  The other guy sees how much that guy gets done and reduces his effort to match it.  This causes an incremental downward spiral that makes my job even MORE stressful.
I am in a union.  I am not a company man as such.  But if the company I work for doesn't make some money on a few jobs, they may stop bidding them.  So I go to another company and the same thing happens.  Pretty soon I have to take a pay cut to do the same job because that is what the market is offering.  
I want to win.  I try to improve.  If you don't want to be the best at what you do, then you ARE just a drone. >

This is a very specific example... >

Careful now! we cant have people working any less hard because that might inconvenience rich assholes, and the one rule in america is we cant do anything that inconveniences rich assholes.