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How do you see this as a both sides argument?  Try reading it with less bias.  I think you'll find a different view.
Every president in history has defended the orderly transfer of authority except one.
Donald  Trump  refused  his constitutional duty to transfer  power to Joe Biden.
Nothing  that happened woild have happened  if it hadn't been for Donald Trump. >

He told us before in debates with Hillary he had no intention of respecting democracy or the  orderly transition of power. Americans still voted for him. >

For them it was a feature, not a bug. >

Who would have thought that the right would turn on the constitution so quickly. They literally made worshiping it a core aspect of their personality. >

*whenever it suits them! >

The hard right has no interest in religion except to manipulate it." - Billy Graham >

Oh, fuck Billy Graham. >

It's not that the media would have won, but the Republican anti reality the GOP created for its voters to live in would have been contradicted. >

This. It's a break in the cult's messaging. Reality would come crashing into the false narrative Conservatives have cultivated over the past 30 years with Fox News, AM radio, the right wing noise machine, and an entire industry of grifters. >

Exactly. The truth could not be spoken out loud without shining a light on all the contradictory lies. >

Whoop de fucking do.
So what if the media "wins"? All that would've happened is that Jan 7 would be dedicated to how the insurrection failed, the things Trump did, then turn to the upcoming inauguration.
Sure, the punditsphere would be buzzing for weeks, but that will be about it. The NYTimes, WaPo, and others wouldn't go through the trouble of rehashing history without real context that the public needs, or should, know. >

Yeah, let's put it on the footsoldiers and staffers, not on the leaders. >

Fuck your cult >

Of course because who cares about the fact Trump ended a 246 year long tradition of the peaceful power of transfer? A cornerstone in any republic. >

No.
That's not how the civil war started. It wasn't the losing incumbent president refuting the outcome and whipping up a crowd to attack the process of certifying the next president who was legally elected. >

Different situation.
No one refuted the election
Comment was about peaceful transition between presidents.
You are moving the goal posts to make them the same. >

It's not the same situation, but it's certainly not different enough to not count. Had the seccession worked well enough to fight to a standstill, the south would have elected their own leader rather than accept Lincoln. Had they somehow defeated the north, they would have replaced Lincoln entirely and probably rewritten the constitution to make it stick. >

OP point was Trump was the first non peaceful transition of power between presidents.
Buchanan had nothing to do with the Civil War outside of his own inaction to stop things.
You guys are all widening the scope of things when all OPs point is Trump is the first sitting president to ask for a civil war to reinstall them as president after losing an election. That is 100% true and that is not how the civil war started. >

I'm still trying to understand what the media would have won. >

A mystery box. It could even be a boat. >

You gotta see it from McCarthy's perspective.
If he shows he has a backbone, people will start expecting it more.
He's a joke and his 2yrs as speaker will be meme fodder for decades to come. >

His congressional district is one of the most violent, drunk, uneducated, disease ridden, most polluted places in America. Surprisingly, this coincides with it also being heavily filled with reactionary MAGA crazies. McCarthy knows there’s a crazier Republican in the wings who’d primary him in a second if he “moderated” his stance in any way. He’s not that good of a politician and he’s too much of a coward to actually weather the wrath of his own constituents. >

GOP politicians always at war with the media instead of doing what’s right for the people. This is why they lose in court, because they’re more concerned with “public opinion” than facts. >

The GOP is like a 5 year old caught in a lie, refusing to admit guilt or apologize. >

Cons hate America. >

They really can't see beyond their petty culture wars. >

Must trigger the libs at all costs >

Why can't these douchebags fight something useful like mosquitos or AIDS or something that would benefit mankind instead of making up dumb shit to fight about? >

This is another way of far-righters saying they can ill afford to lose the vote of ignoramuses like Ashli Babbitt and Ricky Shiffer. >

What is amazing (to me) as they failed to comprehend that this was not about "media" this was about actual voter's.     DJT  used that ploy as well "only some votes should be counted".  Sure sounds like Putin and his fellow autocrats. >

They've almost completely devolved into standing for nothing but "owning the libs," which they wrongly include the media as part of.
"Almost," because they do believe in power and money for themselves, and they'll sometimes set aside owning the libs in the short term if it helps them gain money or consolidate power. See, eg, nominating and electing Glenn Youngkin as VA Governor. >

So McCarthy only hires the best people too. Any in prison yet? >

I am sad that this is what passes for leadership to Republicans. >

"Never mind integrity or truth! Let's be sociopaths instead!' >

I don’t understand the level of stupidity in US politics during and post Trump. As an outsider it was already a shitshow before Trump, but not to this insane scale. >

Did you still expect anything else from the party of weak, thin-skinned, selfish, ignorant, dishonest men? >

It's not about whether the media wins or not.  It's about whether America wins or not.  I think republicans and their conservative media, in their rush to own the libs, often forgets that the whole of America is frequently watching.  And the whole of America does not like radical policies from either side of the aisle.  Most often these days that radicalism comes from the Right.  So those on the Right should read this as something they need to rid themselves of.  And those on the Left should hope this affliction does not jump to them. >

Nice both sides argument /s
Republicans have lost their mind and are embracing fascism.