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Informing kids that there are people who aren’t cis or het is perfectly fine. Gender and sexual minorities exist, and when you have a child grow up thinking that LGBTQIA+ people aren’t normal and just like you, it leads to more homophobia and transphobia in the world.
I teach middle school and have never seen this in practice. Are there any actual examples of elementary-aged kids being taught about sex changes and the like? I know my school does puberty/sex-ed in 7th grade, but parents can opt their kids out. >

There are examples that are easy to find. It largely depends on location. >

Give some references.  Fox news is not a reliable reference. >

Refusing to acknowledge a reference just because you don’t like some of the sources beliefs is very dangerous and isn’t the best look homie >

Yeah thats why I get all my news from my crazy uncle who lives in the woods. Sure he thinks birds are spy drones and hasn't had a shower since the Clinton administration but I don't see why that should impact the quality of his reporting >

Sorry but A reference from a news company that has reporters and journalists is not comparable to a crazy uncle.
Again denying a reference just because you don’t like some of their beliefs is dangerous.
I don’t like a lot of things Fox News and the daily wire says but I’m not going to outright deny any of their stories just because they are right wing.
They legit uncovered a story about a rape that happened in a Virginia public school and the school board covered it up. If people just straight up denied that story just because someone who’s right wing wrote it then the superintendent that covered it up would still be working in the school system 
You can be skeptical about a source but don’t flat out deny it without looking into it >

What exactly are they teaching? Like specifically? The whole "teachers are teaching sexual orientation" thing is confusing. Does anyone have any sources for courses or something that shows what teachers are actually teaching on this subject? If you aren't even sure what is being taught in the classroom then you can't be critical of it until that is figured out. >

Me you bastard they were teaching me on detail how it worked it was absolutely digusting >

Lol why you gotta lie!
Kids are grossed out by their own parents kissing. Now here you are telling us that these lil shits sat down for idk 20+ minutes without making poop noises, listening and assimilating to some biological shit talk that they don't understand or care about! >

Name 1 school where you have actual physical proof teachers are doing this. One. >

I asked the same thing. Nada so far. >

Haven’t heard of this at all either >

i work in a class with 3rd to 5th graders and they know about sexual orientation and the like simply from existing in the world. no school i know of actively teaches anything about it, but i imagine if they did it would be in the vain of trying to decrease bullying and homophobia in the population which call me crazy seems like a good thing >

OP doesn’t understand that the internet and broader culture will bring information to children faster than a curriculum. >

Timmy has two dads.  Timmy’s classmates are confused by this.
Should the teacher be allowed to address their confusion?
If you’re at all rational, then yes absolutely.  Teachers should be able to teach about the world, and answer questions when children are confused.  There are gay teachers, there are trans teachers.  There are students with gay and trans parents and relatives.  Teachers should be allowed to address these topics with their students.
If you think that it’s “very concerning and sick” to teach kids about sexual orientation, then that includes heterosexual orientation, right?  Can’t teach that girls and boys like each other, or that mommies and daddies go together. >

I'm talking about elementary school aged children. Even straight sex ed isn't taught at that age. Why would a teacher feel the need to bring up their transgenderism in a classroom full of 7 year olds? >

Because kids ask questions.  Because parents ask questions.  Because teachers shouldn’t have to hide major things about themselves everyday, or fear losing their jobs.
No one is talking about teaching them sex ed, no one is talking about teaching elementary-age kids about sex.  But there’s no harm in clarifying that Mrs. Harris doesn’t have a husband, she has a wife.  And that yes, some men marry men and some women marry women.  That’s why Timmy has two daddies. >

I'm a teacher. Kids ask some questions that I don't, won't, answer. That's okay. I don't get paid to answer every question kids ask, I get paid to teach the curriculum and answer *relevant* questions.
And if a kid in elementary school asks me why Timmy has two daddies, I will tell that kid to go ask their parents. It's not relevant to my curriculum, and it's not my place to have that conversation with young children: it is their parents' job. >

That’s fine but some people like to go above and beyond for their job outside of just what’s required.  
I respect that you’re doing what’s required, getting paid, and getting out. Nothing wrong with just trying to get a paycheck. But some teachers see teaching as more than just the curriculum. See it as a way to help prepare kids/teens to grow up and get ready for the real world. And spoilers there’s a lot of LGBT+ in the real world. >


That’s fine but some people like to go above and beyond for their job outside of just what’s required.

And there are jobs where if you try to go above and beyond (like if you are an EMT who is not trained to be an A-EMT), you will get sued for trying to do something that you are not supposed to be doing.
It's. The. Parent's. Responsibility. >

I remember learning about slavery when I was in elementary school but yeah, learning that homosexual people exist is where we should draw the line lmao >

That's because learning about slavery was part of your history curriculum, get the point. >

I know, Oogabooga gay people so scary >

Oogabooga, pedo/trans is a mental disorder. Get over it. >

I assume you support teen pregnancies then? 
Because if you are talking about real facts and statistics, this happens the most among uneducated teenagers. >

I'm not being dismissive or even completely disagreeing necessarily  but anytime I hear about this noone  provides(usually because it's ends up being secondary school or college level when you look into it) like a actual explanation of what they teach it's such a vague wide net description i struggle to even respond like of you said they are teaching about India in history that could so many thing at varying levels of details.But why is a 6 year old knowing what a gay person is so scary and unchild like anyway ?almost ever kids film I watched when I was a kid there was a girl love interest chrachter and I think it would be insane to say that was adult and Equally in sane to suggest six year old me is straight because it was a girl.(I'm only bringing this up because people unironically have this as an argument in relation to gay people).
There seem to be this tenancy to connect being gay with being adult which I think come more from how the media and both political parties frames it than reality.
On the surgeries stuff how exactly that work if their not allowed to teach you about sex ed and the parts how are they gonna teach about people who get surgeries for them what your suggesting only makes sense if they lowering sex ed to primary school you know you would've heard about that if true.
Also on the stuff teacher should teach,you never got basic sociology or anything along of those lines.
I should probably acknowledge I'm from the UK and I assume this an American news story but my family exclusively watches Conservative news channels and I would have probably seen them report on similar things over here by now if it were as much of a crisis as you've been told. >

Educate yourself with a trip to LibsOfTikTok >

I tend not to follow people who dox people for a living, really low bar I know. >

How is reposting what others put out on social media supposedly "doxxing"?
Short answer: it's not.
Conclusion: you don't sincerely want to be informed or confronted with what's happening out there. >

I’m a teacher and I don’t know of any district that does this. >

What is unscientific about saying some people are attracted to the same sex, or both, or neither?
You say your sex ed was scientific in the 5th grade (ours started at the 4th and went through 7th, all science based, and health was too). >

I have literally never seen an example of this… >

I love how the left denies this is happening >

Theres a very thick huge line between LGBT sex education and teaching young children that you can love anyone you want. No we shouldn’t be teaching any sort of sex education including lgbt sex education until kids are in middle and high school. But from a young age, kids should be taught that men CAN marry men and women CAN marry women just like a man and women CAN marry eachother. Its literally a LAW that all those people can marry each other so how is it any different than tell a child you cant speed in a car or take stuff from a store. Its a law that everyone can marry any sex they choose and that’s something the kids are going have to accept growing up. Just like how the have to accept they cant steal a candy bar. >

I feel like some examples would be helpful here. >

go visit LibsOfTikTok for countless examples. >

Libs of TikTok is basically a hate group devoted to harassing queer teachers. They cherry-pick videos of teachers talking about LGBTQ issues. >

I don't know mate.  
As a kid, a there were always those kids in my the class that clearly weren't into being a boy, despite being born into the body of one. They would clash and shock every time they had to do activities "Boys vs Girls" or play soccer while the girls played volley.  
I think talking about this stuff could make matters easier for some kids.   
And look, let's be honest.
People usually have this opinion that being "Gay is Bad", and we shouldn't make kids feel alright about being gay, because well, "Being gay is Bad". >

Kids should be able to be kids without thinking if they're gay, trans, or whatever. It shouldn't even be on their minds. >

Why? >

Because you are either a boy or a girl. There is no in between >

And if a boy feels like a girl or a girl feels like a boy, what then? >

What do you propose one does when a child goes to school with a classmate who has two dads? How exactly do you explain to that to the child without touching on the topic of orientation? >

Pretty easy, the kid should ask their parents >

Regarding your comments on educating kids regarding sexual orientation.
When your kid sees little Susan with two mommies or two daddies there is nothing wrong with educating them that they can love whoever they want. This makes YOU uncomfortable and that's a YOU problem not the rest of the world.
People have no problem asking 5 year old boys about their "girlfriends" because that's "normal". >

There are several reasons as to why educating children about their sexual identity is important. I will also preface my opinion that I believe in age-appropriate education for children.
First, it can help promote a greater understanding and acceptance of diversity in general. By exposing children to a variety of perspectives, experiences, and walks of life, we can help to foster a sense of empathy and open-mindedness that will serve them throughout their lives. I would also like to mention that this is exposure that they may nor may not ever experience out side of school.
Age-appropriate education of gender identity can also  help empower them to be their true selves. By providing children with the knowledge and language to understand and express their own identities, we can help them feel more confident and self-assured. >


age-appropriate education for children

I think everyone can agree with this. 
There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that LGBTQ+ people exist. 
I haven't seen any sources that prove children are being literally taught about how sex works, that they're being encouraged to get surgery and/or hormone therapy, that teachers are giving long diatribes about their sexual identity/preferences/whatever... just a lot of creepy conspiracy theories from people who accuse anyone questioning them of being "groomers" >

Agreed. An 8 yr old doesn’t have the wherewithal to understand sexual orientation. This also tends to cluster. My little sister, for example, came out as gay at the same time as her two friends, while she was in middle school. All 3 are dating men today. I haven’t asked about it much, but I assume they equated close female friendship with being gay. Obviously there are plenty of kids that are gay, but throwing 50 different orientations in their faces isn’t helping it’s confusing. They’ll figure it out as long as they know it’s ok to be the way they are. >

Very well said >

If anything, I specifically recall straight relationships being mentioned at my Sex Ed here in the UK in Year 6, which I believe is equivalent to the 5th grade.
They mentioned how boys might start feeling attraction towards girls and vice versa. Surely that should be banned too, right? I mean, that's an orientation kids are being taught about.
Or do you just want to call times where gay people exist sick times? 
Because that specific final language there personally, to me, indicates you might just be a slightly fucked up person. >

I think kids should definitely be taught that it's equally ok to be hetero or lgbtqia+. Once they have a healthy attitude towards it, the rest should work out fine later in life >

This should be a popular opinion. >

It is a popular opinion - among bigots. >

Claiming someone is a bigot because they don't want their children exposed to these ideas at an elementary school age is a pretty shitty argument. Care to elaborate? Or do you prefer just screeching bigot at anyone that doesn't follow along with your ideas. >

it is unreasonable to expect the public education system to cater to the ideological whims of every parent. Schools teach information, and all information is weighed down by political, ideological or in some cases theological baggage.
are you upset that schools teach science despite our current scientific understanding clashing with the ideals held by certain interpretations of some religions?
are you upset that children might encounter ideas they disagree with in literature
if we removed everything that might upset someone we would have to remove everything, so how about you stop being a snowflake and stop trying to police the words and actions of educators, and leave that sort of thing to the people who have literally devoted their lives to such things, like child developmental psychologists.
No? you being uncomfortable with "the gays" trumps all that?
give me a break. >

Give us a break and stop pushing politics in the classroom. Full stop. >

Everything is political. >

Strawman >

its fact, all information carries political weight you just happen to find a certain type of idea that also carries political weight distasteful. >

Interesting. Tell me your political stance on 2 + 2 = 4? >

I notice those are arabic numerals you are using. >

It’s all about nuance, of course young children shouldn’t be getting comprehensive sexual education but teaching kids that some men love men and some women love women etc is just not the same as sex education, it’s human relationship education and prepares them for the diverse range of people they’re sure to meet as they go through life. There doesn’t need to be anything sexual about it it’s just information. >

I agree. I think before puberty/middle school, most kids are largely experimental in expressing themselves so teaching them about gender and sex and sexual orientation could be confusing. 
When my son was a kid he would wear his sisters dress up princess outfits. And I think if at that age he had learned about gender identity, he might have been confused on if he was a boy or girl or what. 
When I was a kid I was a tomboy, still am. But I’m sure I would have been confused if someone explained gender identity to me before my teen years. >

Exactly >

Spot on - Health / Sex Ed should begin in Middle School >

sex ed isnt the same thing as sexual orientation overall. kids know about crushes and kissing and love and stuff at a very young age, and thats completely normal and fine >

ok groomer >

Better not let your kid watch any movie where people have romantic relationships--that's grooming! 
Kissing your spouse in front of your child? Grooming.
Your kid asks where babies come from? Believe it or not, straight to grooming. >

This is completely obvious to everyone except a handful of weirdos and groomers. >

“Completely obvious” and yet, not a single source posted in the thread. >

I think schools should teach children to be open-minded about that topic because the children will surely become more confused if we/teachers will teach them all sorts of sexual orientation, sexual preferences, sexual identity etc. They will learn it while they grow up, the most important thing to learn for children is to not judge other people and have some manners. The sexual orientation topics should be taught starting from highschool level and above so they can comprehend the topic better (Sorry if I have some wrong grammar, english is my second language) >

I think schools should teach children to be open-minded about that topic because the children will surely become more confused if we/teachers will teach them all sorts of sexual orientation, sexual preferences, sexual identity etc. They will learn it while they grow up, the most important thing to learn for children is to not judge other people and have some manners. The sexual orientation topics should be taught starting from highschool level and above so they can comprehend the topic better (Sorry if I have some wrong grammar, english is my second language) >

A lot of trans kids know that something is “different” with them from a very early age. If their parents arent talking about it, then ofc it’s good if the school is. It will help them understand that it’s a normal thing that other people go through. It might help their mental health and prevent depression or suffering. This applies to homosexuality too. 
People are born this way, and it needs to be part of how “humans work”. Learning how to be a decent and empathetic human is more important than knowing how the king of France was. This is stuff they will help them in life, so why not make it mandatory? >

The issue is, kids have all sorts of ideas that aren’t true, I dressed up as a girl and it was always  funny and then I grew up and now I don’t do that, I thought I was a spy, an eagle, the hulk, iron man I thought I was plenty of things but no teacher pushed that on me, if they truly want to follow through with their thought of being something else then whatever they can make that decision at legal consent age NOT be pushed by teachers as a young impressionable child. >


don’t fill their heads up with things way past their age

This doesn’t make sense, or at least this reasoning doesn’t apply to orientation. You do realize that a lot of homosexual people realized they were gay when they were very young, right? 
Even at that age, kids are old enough to have crushes on each other. If it’s okay for them to know what a crush is, then it’s okay to know that kids can have crushes on kids of the same gender. Also, it might be life-saving and extremely relieving for gay kids, because they have that reassurance that there’s nothing wrong with them and that they’re not alone. It is very likely to save them mental health problems surrounding guilt over their orientation growing up. 
When it comes to orientation, it’s only a big deal if you make it a big deal. Omit the word “sex” in those words if you want and just call it “gay”, but kids should know that it’s okay for two people of the same gender to date. 
Now don’t get me wrong, I actually agree with your point about the surgical gender changes and the “several genders” thing. That information actually is past their age. 
But not telling kids that it’s okay to like and date someone of the same gender, or both genders? I can’t agree. There’s nothing inappropriate about expecting adults to explain to kids what “gay” means and that it’s perfectly okay. Too many parents are bigoted, so I think it’s perfectly fine to expect teachers to foster gay acceptance at a young age. Get over it. >

Yes, i agree so much!
Im a bisexual guy myself but dude, stop teaching kids about pride and shit.
Kids should not care about this yet.
They shouls be hitting eachother with sticks and playing hide n seek
Not care about pronouns and genders
You are who you are, im calling you what you are >

My point exactly >

One person I know talks about this topic very frequently.  I know about 4 teachers.  One friend came over a few weeks ago, his wife has been a teacher for over twenty years.  I told him that this other person I know says, "The teachers and the teachers union keep telling little boys to cut their dicks off".  That's literally what this person says, not my opinion.  Don't downvote me for what someone else says.  Anyway, he was shocked and his eyes got big.  He's married to a teacher and was shocked that someone would constantly talk like that. >

wtf are you talking about >

Friend A is not a teacher and keeps talking about nonsense to do with teachers encouraging kids to chop their dicks off. Friend B is a teacher's husband. OP told Friend B about Friend A's nonsense and Friend B was shocked. That's what I got out of it >

I knew I wanted women aged five, teaching kids about sexuality in a non-explicit way that men can like men etc, is going to benefit the children and make everyone feel accepted and teach heterosexuals that homosexuals exist and it's ok. I disagree with op but I actually don't think their opinion is unpopular >

Honestly thanks for calling us a juggernaut, it makes us sound way cooler than we are lol. >

This is an unpopular opinion? >

On Reddit it is >

They're trying to sexualise kids >

What about infant shirts that say “ladies man”? Is that not also “sexualizing” kids? >

Never too soon for sexed. That said ofc should be thought in different contexts. A 5yo should not learn same as 15 or 25yo >

Stupid post. >

As someone with several gay friends, yeah, it sounds way better to let them think they're a freak and a misfit when they realize they are attracted to the same sex. I'm sure your comfort is far more important than not causing your child lifelong trauma, because you don't want them to know that gay people exist. >

There’s a difference between not stigmatizing something and shoving your ideological beliefs down someone’s throat, especially a child who can’t process adult things adequately. >

I mean it's ok when they are starting puberty, so they know how things go, but elementary school is way too early, although we also learned about male and female body parts, which we also didn't need in elementary school in my opinion... >

This isn't unpopular, most parents with school age children feel this way. Teachers have been crossing the line alot lately. Wokeism will be the fall of public education.  More parents are taking it upon themselves to home school for this reason exactly >

How is telling kids LGBTQ people exist ruining public education? It shouldn’t be a uncommon thing for people not to be hateful assholes to LGBTQ people. “Woke” is just a stupid conservative buzzword at this point. >

a boy in my primary school had two mums and was bullied for it. This is the type of situation they are trying to avoid. They are not sexualising children. If you have an interest in stopping child abuse, there are a number of brilliant organisations you could volunteer for and donate to. You could also get into social work. I'm sick of people thinking they are some kind of advocate for children because they got mad at a teacher on tiktok or fucking drag queen storytime. Do something useful!
I've been a teaching assistant at a school where they taught about different sexual orientations. It's literally cartoons like 'matt and jane are together! So are ben and josh! And wanda and heather! And everyone is friends and great and normal! Fun music plays!' It's cringey if anything, but totally harmless.
Did you genuinely think they were teaching kids about anal sex and kink? Stop watching Matt Walsh and try actually engaging with the real world. Try to have a think about why you formed this opinion without talking to any adults who have actually seen these types of lessons play out. >

They’re not. No one is doing this. >

You do NOT deserve any of the hate you get for this view, you’re 100% correct, children should NOT be indoctrinated into a radical “gender religion”. >

Right so we shouldn't teach kids about marriage between man or woman either? All the nursery hyms, children's stories of happy families & of course pronouns shouldn't be taught? Everyone should be referred to as gender less terms and teachers should hide their wedding rings/photos so no confusion stirs up for the kids? >

This is only an unpopular opinion with groomers and paedophiles. >

Yet it’s ok to enforce a heterosexual binary into actual foetuses and through their entire early childhood? I’m talking about gender reveal parties, gendered clothing/toys for small children (kitchens and baby dolls for girls, trucks and play tools for boys), and exposing them constantly to heterosexual messaging in media and film. Gotta dress that baby girl in pink and a bow so ppl know she’s a girl! Don’t let your boy have painted fingernails or wear fairy wings! Etc etc etc. 
Especially if a young kid is gender diverse or comes from a queer family, I think it’s correct to have brief age appropriate conversations in school about it. That’s one of the good things about school, is going and being around people from different backgrounds, and learning to get on. 
My teenager goes to a very progressive high school. They place emphasis on critical thinking and learning through doing. And it’s also a very queer school, the kids call it “reverse gay conversion therapy” as a joke. I’m glad that it’s become more normal for kids and teens to express who they are and how they feel, and safe to explore that before they grow into depressed, morose adults full of bitterness born of trying to fit in where they just don’t. >

Is this an American thing? Never had it happen for me >

My sex ed was watching a video of a baby being born, and hearing how condoms work. Had I been given a proper education I could have saved a lot of years of pain and suffering