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No way does one single issue contribute to school shooters. This is a uniquely American issue. Plenty of other places have higher rates of single mothers raising children and they don't have this problem.
There was an extensive study done by Janet Reno's Department of Justice that found commonality in regards in parental neglect especially in regards to strong male role model concern.  This isn't spoke of very much as US politics has devolved into capitalizing on problems rather than focusing on solutions.  Every school shooting there's a circus for the media, a chance for politicians to grandstand and increase in firearm sales. >


Department of Justice that found commonality in regards in parental neglect especially in regards to strong male role model concern.  This isn't spoke of very much as US politics has devolved into capitalizing on problems rather than focusing on solutions

Lmao, What political solution is there to this? >

Raise the country's happiness index. Educational campaigns for fathers. Lessen financial burdens of the lower class so there isn't as much stress at home. >

Some blame goes to the media, who has a field day every time there is a school shooting and every news network fights for the “HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE SHOOTER. EXCLUSIVELY HERE” headline. They seem to inspire copycats for attention they seek. >

This. Want a free biography written about you? And a great way to show yourself giving a giant middle finger to the world/establishment/society? >

It's like the people who decided to crack down on teen smoking by banning flavored tobacco in CA.
The age to purchase is already 21. Legal smokers suffer while teens buy knockoff pens with no oversight. Where there's a demand, there's a market. Prop 64 proved that when the illegal weed market overtook the legal weed market, after the price of legal weed shot up 100%. 
California responds to gun crime by banning guns with intimidating looking features. Criminals still own said guns. Legal owners who jump through the hoops of gun ownership ultimately have the most restricted access. 
We had a school shooting at my college once, while the president was in town, and the shooter used an AR that he built entirely in his bedroom. State restrictions on his activities had zero impact on his ability to source it. 
Stupid logic with an inevitably stupid outcome that doesn't address the initial problem. >

When people say we shouldn't blame gun laws here in America, and we need to focus on the kids who might not be doing well, we're forgetting that Americans have the easiest access to guns imaginable.
Put it this way. We have 322,000,000 people or so. We have around 393,000,000 guns. We have more guns than people. We experience the highest school shooting rate among any industrialized country.
People always passing out prayers like candy conveniently forget the logistics of murder in the US. If we didn't have so many guns, we wouldn't have so many shootings.
A lot of countries have guns half their population. Places like Germany I believe. They're not scrambling to find out how to stop an endless amount of school shootings, because they're not overrun with guns.
I'll close off my rebuttal by saying that while I understand using guns as a recreational item, does everyone and their toddler really need a gun? >

I am a gun owner. I have my concealed carry. Had training. Lock my guns up. When I did my concealed carry permit, I had an extensive background check and they had to log my fingerprints. I’m responsible.
I also want every advantage to protecting myself. I’m not out to "fight the authority". I want to protect me and my family. The main argument I hear when gun control comes up is "The criminals will still have guns." I believe that. I saw a video on Reddit of preteen youths showing off their Glocks with extended mags. Then they pointed out all of them had the "switch" which is a modification that makes the gun full auto. These kids cannot just walk in a gun store and buy them. And those switches make them illegal according to the ATF. How did they get them?
When I see how easy it is for young criminals to get guns and how little an impact the "War on Drugs" is having, I don’t feel safe not having one. >

The issue with figuring out how to prevent these events is that each one is completely unique some are caused by life long mental health problems some are caused by bullying or sometimes people just snap one day.
We need a better way to recognize people who are struggling and getting actual help I have no idea how to go about this but what we're doing now clearly isn't working.
Also strict gun laws will do absolutely nothing to prevent these events or any crimes at all and the fact that so much time, money, and effort goes into it means the chances of meaningful change is almost zero. >


Most school shooters are isolated, bullied kids. 

No, they're not.
It's a popular legal defense mass shooters use, going all the way back to Columbine.
But it's bullshit.  Most of them have been bullies their whole lives. >

In fact in the case of Columbine. The reason they were isolated is because nobody liked them as they were bullies. We can thank the media for the lovely lie of them being loners who got harassed. >

they were bullied, there was a crazy bullying problem at that school and a massive whitewashing campaign after the shooting. This is verified by scores of former students. Acknowledging that doesn’t mean you condone school shootings but the creepy narrative control that everyone collectively pushes for isn’t helping anyone or preventing any shootings. >


there was a crazy bullying problem at that school and a massive whitewashing campaign after the shooting. This is verified by scores of former students.

Those aren't mutually exclusive...
There could be a big bullying problem.
And they could have been bullies and not victims. >

I think the parents are also at fault. Most of the school shooting i know of, the kid that shot up came from a fucked up family with parents and other family members who didn't give the kid enough attention or love. But the  social environment in most schools also doesn't help. >

They should blame the shooter. >

Nope.
Most school shooters are bullies themselves. Most of them DO have mental disorders.
No civilized society should allow deadly firearms to be accessible to minors without close and constant adult supervision. >

You do realize there are laws already exactly for those cases? A child taking their parents gun is illegal for the parent. >

I swear half of Reddit thinks a 5 year old can walk into a gas station and buy an AK-47 on the spot. >

I don't care enough to look it up, but I recall reading a study about how incidents of self-harm increased in correlation with media portrayal of self-harm, like it became culturally understood that it was something people did when depressed. In that same way, I think it has become culturally understood that shooting up the school is something people do when depressed, bullied, etc. You can find an edge case for anything, but it wasn't a thing in the 70s the way its a thing today.
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But I don't know what the answer is. You can't muzzle people when it happens and they talk about it. >

As long as the Cartels can move freely across our boarders none of the gun talk will ever matter. 
If there is a need for a black market item it's coming across and guess who then will be in possession of most of the illegal "insert name here" >

How about we

Rein in gun laws to protect people
Invest in mental health infastructure to take care about people
Collectively we need to be better parents, and raise kids who don't get off on making others feel small (which means you don't make your kids feel small or unimportant while you are raising them)

Basically we could all just not be dicks if we wanted. >

Exactly! I don’t understand why people have to blame only one thing, it’s pretty obviously a combination of issues that all need to be dealt with. >

Addressing bullying is the same thing as addressing mental health; one issue begets the other.
But gun laws are still probably the biggest problem. Too many gun-related crimes only happen because the perpitrator has access to a gun. Even if we did absolutely nothing to address mental health, restricting guns would reduce many school shootings to simply being "school stabbings" or "school fistfights", which I think is a step in the right direction. >

Here in india if a sociopathic man-child wants to do a school shooting then getting a gun for them is  impossible,so its everything to do with guns,which is why this is one of those issues in foreign politics where i am surest in my stance
Although i think america has now crossed the point of no return >

I think the issue is: 
Home life. School can be made the most magical place on earth but it doesn’t mean anything if your home life is terrible. 
It’s also hard to make change when you take a nuisanced approach. Yes, school shootings are not cookie cutter events who have the same answer every time. But right now, the priority in America isn’t to get rid of all school shootings. The priority is to get school shootings to a ‘normalized’ level. 
America’s situation is unique. No other country with this level of wealth and tech has this many school shootings. Even taking population into account, it’s still crazy high. 
In short, the situation is too severe to think of nuisance in this moment. You need sweeping legislation to get things to a manageable level. Then you focus on the underlying issues that require a slower, more delicate touch. 
Guns should be harder to get ahold of. Much harder. The right to own one should at least be as difficult as having a driver’s license. Parents need to put their guns under lock and key. And yeah, some guns should be illegal or at least require some serious bs paperwork to own. 
Get the death toll down. Then focus on culture, empathy, over burdened social services, and all the other nuts and bolts that contribute to school shootings. >

I agree with much of what you’ve said, but I always wonder about the rise in mass shootings in the US since Columbine vs changes in gun laws. Have gun laws gotten more lax in the last 30 years? I’m no expert, but that doesn’t appear to be the case. Yet still, rates of mass shootings have gone through the roof. 
I think that we’ve had a crisis of meaning over the last 30 years. Young men and women are grasping for some feeling of purpose in their lives, and, particularly in the case of young men, this listlessness and disillusionment with life can have incredibly violent ramifications for society. >

The gun laws aren’t anywhere near on the level as where they need to be. But yes, the other issue is American culture venerates guns. Even if we banned all guns, many would still keep them. Hide them, whatever. 
So you have a point. It may be too late. We can’t remove guns from households at this point and a culture change that would see guns properly respected as tools of war and death (not hunting rifles. Hand guns, shot guns, everything that was designed with the purpose of killing people, not animals) would take generations. 
So that leaves preventative measures. I don’t know what that would even be so I guess you have a point. It might take nuisanced culture change to see any real improvement. >

The issue is, and always will be, easy access to many guns. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either paid by the NRA or brainwashed by the NRA. >

I agree with what you suggest. It's kinda obvious though, that if a kid can't get a gun, there can't be any mass shooting.
At the end is a trade-off: should Americans be free to own a gun? If yes, you need to take into account mass-shooting and increased murder rate in general. Either you are cool with it or not >

It's the chemicals in the water >

Well, you have to look at the USA and its perpetual state of war it is in with whoever it may be this time.
If the Government of the USA is leading their people by example, then is it any wonder their people are so unhinged? 
Monkey see, monkey do. >

Lots of them seem to have unique causes. Bullying is an unfortunate fact of life. Since the dawn of mankind, there has always been people who will shun others to pump up themselves. How one responds to bullying is important, which is how we end up at gun laws and mental health. >

We did not have school shootings or mass shootings very often until our gun laws were "liberalized". 
Fact. >

I think that mass shooters feel they've been denied validation in life, and despair of getting it by any other method.  Seems to me that who they blame for feeling this way varies from one shooter to the next, and bullies are not the default, just one answer among many.
Still, I agree that bullying is a fairly common element in shootings.  Only I doubt that bullying originates with peers.  I think it originates with adults, who commonly subject growing boys and young men to hectoring as a way to toughen them up, and motivate them to improve themselves.  Constant fault-finding and emasculating.  Public shaming.  Encouraging their peers to join in their humiliation.  Hectoring is still the default with so many adults, convinced that this is the only way to turn boys into men.  Or to break their rebellious spirit, and make them compliant.  Teach them their lowly place in the hierarchy.
Mass Shooter Zero was not some bullied high-school kid.  He was a US Marine veteran.  Doesn't take much imagination to figure out how Marine sergeants commonly address the lowly private.
School administrators need look no further than their own employees.  Teachers, tutors, coaches, disciplinarians. >

School shooters are not bullied, they are the bullies. No one talks to them because when someone does go over to them they say some disgusting weird creepy shit. Avoiding someone because they make you uncomfortable isn’t bullying >

When people say we shouldn't blame gun laws here in America, and we need to focus on the kids who might not be doing well, we're forgetting that Americans have the easiest access to guns imaginable.
Put it this way. We have 322,000,000 people or so. We have around 393,000,000 guns. We have more guns than people. We experience the highest school shooting rate among any industrialized country.
People always passing out prayers like candy conveniently forget the logistics of murder in the US. If we didn't have so many guns, we wouldn't have so many shootings.
A lot of countries have guns half their population. Places like Germany I believe. They're not scrambling to find out how to stop an endless amount of school shootings, because they're not overrun with guns.
I'll close off my rebuttal by saying that while I understand using guns as a recreational item, does everyone and their toddler really need a gun? >

I agree.  The sides are certainly polarized but what is evident is each is looking at the situation like a snapshot in time.  When ‘taking away’ the guns is suggested - every ‘what if’ exception spouts off.  They suggest it might have worked somewhere but the US is too big.  I suggest that this type of ‘ban’ or ‘buy back’ is to be effective over years …. Not tomorrow.  Of course bad guys will be bad guys - some will obtain guns sometimes.  As I see it - over time- there will be less and less for them to find.  Whenever they say the prob is mental health- they overlook the psychosis of those who feel they need the weapon ‘for protection’ ( especially when they would never get to it and load it in time - as it would be locked away safely ).  I think there was another narrative - the one about places not being ‘hardened’… did you ever see 300 - it would work for bad guys too.  We must raise our kids to accept and learn about differences and question morals in ALL settings.  Not teach that something is wrong ONLY in public or certain company ….but at home be as racist (or whatever) as you want.  How many times have we heard ‘he/she was such a good kid’ - but the ensuing chaos they create down the road harms not only those around them but themselves as well.  This to me is acting out due to internal conflicts - conflicts like what is allowable to do at say at home versus what is accepted in society. >

Misconception, they are not bullied. They are bullies. Sometimes there is a reason why people are outcasted >

We have a serious morality and accountability problem in this country >

I’m sorry but dont fall for the school shooters being bullied. Most of them are never bullied this is used by the defense and it just sticks. Most of them do have mental issues/disorders though. >

Yes, u should blame horrible lawmakers and politicians. U should blame the media. U should blame the bad parents. And you should blame the lack of access to mental health or even mental health awareness >

Off the top of my head I can name several mass shooters with involved fathers. Sandy Hook being one. Columbine shooters. Waffle house shooter. VA tech. >

Of course you'll be able to name exceptions. "Most common" doesn't mean "in every single case".
But like in all stats, if you fixed this one issue and those occurences stop happening, well, you just solved most of the school shootings from happening. I still personally believe in gun control, it's just statistical probability, but yeah.