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He probably applied for several us jobs and got denied which led him to go down that path. But if he did not even apply for anything , roast his ass like chestnuts on a open fire.
“the US State Department emailed Duggan as early as 2008 to tell him he needed to apply for written authorisation to provide training to a foreign air force.”
Hmm… so he’s had this on his mind for a while now >

ok, so authorities did check upon him, but he didnt listen. >

Maybe he's training them wrong. >

Wimp lo, again with the squeaky shoes? >

I'm bleeding, making me the victor >

Face to fist style, how'd you like it? >

If you have an ass, I'll kick it! >

My nipples look like milk duds! >

I'm not wealthy but 100k is not enough money. I imagine he was making more. Maybe property, house, car, pension. They can only legally find the 100k and incriminate him on. Idk just a thought. >

My cousin (officer in the US Navy) got almost a million dollars to resign to train new pilots.
It costs a fortune to train a single pilot and good pilots and trainers aren't easy to come by.
100k is a pittance for that kind of work. >

100k mighta just been the signing bonus >

And what can be legally known and proven at this time. There are plenty of ways the CCP could pay him more and hide it. And he very much seems like the type who would not want to pay taxes. >

I, for one, contend that the mercenary who got high-end training from one country and then turned around and sold that knowledge to a competitor state despite being told to specifically not do that, is probably a good guy who is more concerned with the welfare of society than he is with personal gain. >

Let me introduce you to Erik Prince, owner of a mercenary army called Blackwater in the US. The Blackwater founder has cut a lucrative security-training deal with China.

More recently, however, he has said that his business in China “is not a patriotic endeavor”; rather, it is an effort “to build a great business and make some money doing it.”

Check out the article. It's an interesting read. >

Yes, but see, that's Blackwater. And so, it's ok. >

Didn't they rebrand to Akademy after they did some wartime no-nos? >

They renamed to Xe, then Academi, then got bought by Triple Canopy before being moved under their parent company, Constellis. >

Well that is a rabbit hole >

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 89%. (I'm a bot)


The US government has accused the former marine pilot Daniel Duggan of receiving more than $100,000 to teach Chinese aviators how to land on aircraft carriers.
The indictment alleges Duggan and another eight unnamed co-conspirators were involved in providing military services to Chinese pilots, including a former US Navy officer.
Duggan's arrest coincided with warnings from Australian and British authorities over the practice of former military pilots being offered lucrative contracts to train pilots in China.


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$100k? That's it? >

I get paid 100,000 a year to train Navy personnel on ships. 100,000 for such specialist training on fighter jet aircraft in a foreign country and one that is regarded as the enemy is a bargain for China. Surely this is a fee he can get in the US or other allied nation. >

The dude is clearly an idiot. He wrote "he hoped it'd set up his children for life." And he negotiated his own contract. $100k setting up kids for life? Clearly not the sharpest screw driver in the tool shed. >


Clearly not the sharpest

He's a Marine >

muscles are required, intelligence not essential >

M.A.R.I.N.E. >

Rah! Not only American pilots do this, the Canadians and Australians have been caught as well. >

The UK have a whole mess of scandals about this with their pilots also not too long ago. >

I can’t help but think that’s PR spin that takes a whole lot of artistic liberty with actual events but helps the government avoid a scandal >

I know some former fighter combat instructors that are getting $400,000 USD tax free to train pilots in the Middle East >

Is this still treason? I know at one time it was. >

Not sure if treason is only counted against known enemies. Relations with China are frosty, but not hostile. >

Also we've to consider the times. China in 2012 wasn't as threatening to the US, it's only recently that it was pushed to that bucket. >

In 2012 they had infiltrated every single defense industry institution and were waging wholesale cyber warfare for the few secrets they couldn't get with HUMINT. Compromising people left and right in the fucking US.
You have no idea wtf you're talking about. You haven't seen it. >

The US also has intelligence operatives (and better spying technology at that) and has tried to infiltrate everyone's elses defenses, even sabotage them. See iran and stuxnet. You could say China's bad due to the US's FUD and their recent aggressions, but even you have to admit even the US deploys double standards to suit their narratives sometimes.
Also you got sources on whatever infiltration they did during the 2012s? >

I can't disclose any more about that without seriously fucking my life up, however, nothing you said refutes China's threat to American national security both then and now.
Also no native English speaker would say '2012s' lol, so your anti-American viewpoint makes a lot more sense to me. >

Well you've just labelled your opposing side, and dodged all the questions I've posed to you. All signs of someone who has taken the US bait hook line and sinker, and is disingenuous in actually having a proper discussion. I don't think there's any more to talk about with you. >

That seems super low. It costs that to train on a Gulf Stream and he was training on military equipment? >

Aussie here.
I know a guy who used to be a caretaker for a little local airstrip, in a small town in the bush.
There were some Chinese pilots that were living there (trying to remember now) at either the the air strip or they had their own accommodation which was provided for them and they were being trained how to fly. I recall he said they were being paid fuck all, and weren't allowed to go anywhere but the air strip and their accommodation.
It wasn't really a known thing and not much was said about it. I never understood why the Chinese would send their pilots here to be trained in any context, as wouldn't it be cheaper to train them at home instead of Australia in the bush in the middle of nowhere ? >

more open airspace, more GA friendly airports, automatic ICAO4 English cert upon finish. It might actually be cheaper. Likewise, there is a huge training industry for major Chinese airlines in the states as well. >

If he received $100,000 for training the Chinese he either worked for 3 months or he is not very good at salary negotiations. >

Damn traitors. Unless they are helping us lol >

Can you imagine the PLA’s reaction when this guy agreed to do it for $100k? >

probably laughed their asses off and circlejerked each other. >

I would jsut have reject the guy because who would want to work with a guy the stupid? >

$100K to sell out? Pretty damn amazing. >

Probably much more, in the millions.  He imported a T-2 Buckeye for his flight school and those will easily run > $1 million in cost, maintenance & operations.
But he renounced his US citizenship in 2012 so maybe they're only listing amounts he received up to 2012 to avoid any complications in prosecution. >

The dudes not stupid.. he knew what he was doing, hiding money, buying military equipment. He's have to be the stupidest or greedist marine to train a country that you know isn't on the greatest terms with your old country that taught you all this. His problem was he didn't want to leave Australia. Thought he would be safe there.. now he's fked and his stupid family are all crying and trying to raise awareness to save him.. fk him. >

Bottom gun >

This would make a great parody movie >

I don't know enough about this case to have an opinion either way but can someone tell me what the difference between this guy and mercenary units that basically take government money is?  There is nothing stopping mercenary units working for both sides if the pay is right. >

There is plenty stopping them. In the US it is illegal to export defense services of this nature to certain locations without permission from the department of state in the form of license. The license will outline exactly what is allowed as well who can receive the services and for what duration. >

I think I heard recently that high-ranking officers do similar stuff with impunity. >

What did he used to fly? >

I hope it was worth his freedom. $100,000 seems a bit cheap, to be training a foreign entity! >

Well, fuck that guy. >

Normally we say there is no such thing as a "former Marine". Once a Marine, always a Marine. In his case, fuck him. >


“He denies having breached any US law, any Australian law, any international law,” Miralis said in December.

Sounds a lot like he chose to breach the universal law of don't say 'fuck you, I got mine'
If that's true, my sympathy is... zero. >

Current Marine pilots would
Consider him a total shit bag for doing that. It endangers US and other friendly pilots. He would not be welcome in any veteran circle in the US. >

Willing to sell his own states secrets to China for only $100k. Treasonous, rat bastard. Throw the book at him and let him rot. No honor, no dignity. How shameful. >

When you run the government like a business, that's what happens. Sell classified documents, secrets cause no such thing as a country if it's soul is a free market corporation >

The real Maverick. >

Flight diverted to Guantanamo... >

So much for Semper fi >

Top Dumb >

It's always baffling to me how little these guys will destroy their entire lives over. Like, at least ask for an "immediately retire to a non extradition country" amount. >

They dont think they will get caught. >

“If anyone is going to train pilots for a foreign authoritarian regime it’s gonna be us! That cuts into our market share!” 
-The CIA, probably >

I consider this treason >

Marine Corps Officer Oath of Enlistment:
I (state your name) do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
Daniel Duggan is a traitor, and a greedy coward. He took Chinese money, and provided advanced training, to the military of a foreign enemy. He needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. >

It's weird, but any military or federal employee takes that oath. Took my oath as a nurse working for veterans  affairs and I'll wear that badge with pride. >

As a fellow American, I thank you for taking that oath seriously. We should be proud to live in a country that has a Constitution, a Bill of Rights, etc. If countries like China ran the world, I think our quality of life would be severely diminished. >

If it were vice-versa, somebody would be getting a new kidney. >

If I became a naturalized citizen of Australia and planned to train foreign nationals, I would first relinquish American citizenship to prevent me from needing to get permission to train foreign nationals. Next I would charge allot more than $100,000. Also i would not commit fraud against the US to acquire a T-2 Buckeye to be used for training in South Africa. >

That doesn't work. Your enlistment contract will explicitly state that you are not allowed to provide aviation training without approval from DoD. Citizenship is not relevant. Even if you switched nationality, the US will still charge you with the umbrella crime that is "Conspiracy against the United States" under title 18 § 371 >

Damn >

Treason aside, the DoD paid a shit ton for his training. Seems fair. >


Treason aside, the ~~DoD~~ we paid a shit ton for his training.

ftfy >

It's called the free market dummies. You teach someone a valuable skill and then expect them to work for peanuts and then deny them proper Healthcare, this is what happens. >

Eric Prince needed a pilot trainer I guess. >

Betray your country for $100k? Not even for a milli. >

He's Australian now, renounced his American citizenship and everything. >

Australia's a partner of the US and of NATO, also a member of the Commonwealth.  He's betrayed way more than the US and Aus - he's gone against the interests of the Anglosphere, NATO, European and Commonwealth countries.  Upwards of a billion people whose countries would have considered him friendly will now think of him as a hostile or at least a liability.
All for 100k.  He probably could've trained in the UK (or, you know... Australia) for that. >


Commonwealth countries

half of which hate UK and USA as my country is in the commonwealth and the EU too but UK illegaly occupies parts of my nation like Russia does to Ukraine. So you  saying he betrayed all those countries is dumb. More than half of those countries like China more than UK or USA. >

"filed in the US District of Colombia"
Lol, I knew Colombia has been a decent US ally for a while now, but this is new
Lol, down voted by dumasses who didn't read the article.  That's the joke lads, The Guardian spelt DC incorrectly >

US District of Columbia is a district in the Washington DC, not in the country of Colombia >

You missed the joke bc you didn't read the article >

It was just such a stupid 'joke' it deserves to be called out and explained for people who may not know the official name of the city. >

Ha. Capitalism?  Apple and Intel have sold us out to the tune of trillions. LoL. But whatever. Poor schmuck.
I’m reminded of Jesus. Hanging out with lepers, meh. Hanging out with prostitutes, meh. Performing miracles, meh. Piss off the money changers at the Temple of Gold, get crucified faster than you can say shalom. >

Western manufacturers and companies have sold us out because of profits made by moving technology and capabilities to China. Having visited China in the 1980s I can tell you that China would never have built up as fast without western investment for the last 40 years. >

It’s a bit like tying a rope around our own necks..  for a buck in our pocket.. >

Yes and because there was no accountability.  It was all about quarterly earnings and no consideration to the cost in terms of national security. >

Traitors >

This guy gets punished but none of the investors who sent manufacturing and jobs to China. Not having medicine, medical supplies, etc made within the USA's borders is as big of a threat.
Trade treason is what it is. >


This guy gets punished but none of the investors who sent manufacturing and jobs to China.

??????? that wasn't illegal or considered a crime. >

Don't see how he has done anything wrong tbh. He's retired from the military, he has australian citizenship and as far as i know China and the US aren't at war or even enemies at this point of time. This is just government overeach and anti-China hysteria. >

Of course he did lots wrong.  He put his own country at risk for a few bucks. Everyone knows China is aiming to expand and is growing its military to do that. >

china: basically no wars since the sino-vietnamese war
the us: continuously dropping bombs all over the world, has 3 times larger military budget than china, 3.7% of gdp vs china's 1.7%
reddit: but but bad china growing its military (it's not even doing this, it was around 1.7% from the 90s) >

So you are against any imperialism I see.  Good than you should be critical of China's buildup. >

I think the right framing is that chinas economic imperialism is bad but it’s not the militant expansionism that reddit believes. Thus it must be tackled differently. >

Although I'm not in favor of our people training Chinese soldiers, given that he was privately training people how to fly while obviously not having any military equipment at his disposal to do so, therefore effectively being no more than a private flight instructor: what exactly is he/can he be charged with? >

He used a T-2 Buckeye.
It's the standard training aircraft for the US Navy. >

As much as I want to say fuck this guy, the U.S. does business with China everyday and nobody’s says shit. Homie was just getting a piece of the pie. >

Ehm normal business isnt the same as having a pilot teach a (potential) geopolitical enemy how the USAF operates >

He was a marine aviator. Wrong branch. >

Point still stands of a frmr service man providing teachings to the soldiers of a geopolitical foe >

Yes, but it helps to understand why this was so bad. China struggles hard to make carriers that can compete with US ones; they're a core part of our pacific strategy. Any nation can land a plane on an airfield at this point, but proper usage of aircraft carriers and how to manage them is a distinctly American innovation. And it's exactly what he was teaching them. >

Prison time awaiting. >

Treason >

completely unrelated side note, how much did the US trainers of the Saudi's pilots, who did 9/11, make? I might be in the wrong gig as these things seem to pay quite a lot. >

They were given civilian training not military >

100k really?? This guy is a fucking idiot. I would sorta understand if it was 500,000 or more but just 100000 seems low. >

TREASONOUS INDEED! >

The military seems to churn out such patriots. >

More big guv'ment bureacracy interfering with business. 
Kind of crazy how almost everyone can recognize how stupid the line above is when the threat is Chinese planes, but if this marine had been doing something the EPA doesn't like half the country would be chanting the line above. >

To the gallows with him >

He’s a gambling man, at that rate. >

wth.
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that's it? >

Tell me it wasn’t Tom Cruise! No Maverick! >

At first I thought the guy in the thumbnail was Tom Cruise. >

Damn that's cheap! >

think he wang the wong number >

Every single time some kind of bribery/corruption story comes up I am absolutely blown away by how relatively small the amount is. Treason for $100k? There are people doing one year of subpar web dev for that salary. >

Lal 100k, wouldn't that be like an easy yearly salary flying for an airline? >

Can John Cena fly? >

Depends how hard you throw him. >

That's it? I'd need a lot more than low 6 figures to even contemplate betraying my country. Like, I can't think of a price that I would take, but a hundred grand would probably make me laugh. >

Excuse me but isn’t 100k peanuts for a trained fighter pilot? I mean don’t get me wrong but that seems kinda low for it to be a proper motivator for treason. >

It’s too bad there’s not a program within each of the services to fix the shit bags before they’re released back into the public. >

Does that number seem low to anybody else for totally repatriating and setting up a whole training camp? I feel like he definitely could have held out for at least a million for professionally betraying his own country >

Some people will do anything for the almighty dollar >

This is the way to get American moles or turncoats. It isn’t about patriotism for them but money. Aldrich Ames, Robert Hansen, the Walker family etc. Go after those with inside information and debt up to their eyeballs and flash the cash. >

Enjoy your retirement >

Should be hanged for treason. Then again selling your soul for $ has always been the American way >

THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!! >

What if he did what they did to Wimp Lo and trained them wrong as a joke?