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They want the 4 regions they annexed.
These are not meant to help settle the conflict.  They are meant to protect the civilian infrastructure that Russia keeps blowing up trying to freeze the Ukrainian citizens to death by committing a war crime. >

Exactly. Russia is playing "I'm a victim of western expansionist imperialism" card at every turn when its own expansionist imperialist efforts are stifled. It will continue to pretend that it is at war with the US because it can't bring to admit that "little Russia" Ukraine is kicking its ass. It will blame the US backing Ukraine for the conflict started and restarted, blame the US for the failure of peace while refusing to change its demands of Ukraine since the start of the war and blame the US for the war when it could end it immediately by withdrawing from Ukraine. >

Russia’s “no, you” reverse cargo cult shit needs to be heavily memed and mocked if it’s to be beaten >

Why do you think we already have the “In Soviet Russia…” jokes? Now it just needs to be “In Russia”. >

Because a Russian man name Yakov Smirnov came to the US to become a comedian and escape the USSR. This was the big bit that got him over the hump into stardom >

In Soviet Russia, Tim doesn't think so you! >

In soviet Russia, time knows what everybody is! >

"Oh good. Then you won't have any problem with them then, right?" >

Why do we gaf what Russia is saying anyway?? We can’t trust a word out of their mouths >

Exactly!  So if they say Patriot missiles won't help Ukraine we need to send as many as possible. >

Translation: Russia is worried. 
Good. >


The same ones that the houthi rebels in Yemen overwhelmed with homemade drones? 

Sometimes I think people just don't think about things. You should know that patriot missiles were developed back in the 1970s. Of course they're going to fail against drones, which are a fraction the size of manned aircraft the patriot missile was designed to take out. The point of Patriot missiles is to replace heat seekers with friendly detection.
You might as well complain how mice constantly escape from bear traps. >

The newer upgraded versions can definitely take out drones. >

Very likely, the biggest issue is drones have a small signature and we have other technologies that don't require firing a $2 - $4 million missile to take out a $40 drone. >

The Israeli Iron Dome is spending about 100k per missile to take out $100 home made rockets. >

That's painful, but better than 7 figure ones I guess.
There's 2 sides to war economics: how much does it cost & how many can you make despite how much it costs. >

Better that than the drones taking millions of dollars in infrastructure or vehicles. >

Let me translate for you: Russia worried Patriot missiles for Kyiv may help settle Ukraine conflict. >

It won't help settle the conflict in Russia's favor. >

Opinion rejected. Get fucked Putin. >

You know Putin could drop dead tomorrow and nothing would change regarding Russias stance toward Ukraine, right? >

Putin's right. We really should be sending fighter jets, tanks, APCs, attack and transport helicopters, and long range missiles to Ukraine to help settle it. >

So WW3, you mean?
Sounds fun to you?
How's mom's basement? >

Russia can’t carry on a small regional war with any success. What world war? >

Not on their own at least. Someone needs to aim them. >

Missiles don’t kill people. People kill people. >

No, missiles do in fact kill many many people; often at the same time. >

US stocks most of its missiles in the air force bases in WY, ND and MT. They are sitting there. How come they haven’t killed anyone there yet? >

Day isn’t over yet. >

True true. >

no one cares what russia says. pompous warmongering windbags >

Ignore at your peril >

No, but it might keep thousands from freezing to death because Russia targets civilian infrastructure. >

And that's completely unacceptable to Russia. Causing civilian misery, suffering, and death is the only strategy they have. >


misery, suffering, and death

That's Russia's slogan. It should be written on the money. >

But they will make it harder for you to slaughter innocent civilians with larger missiles. 
Defensive weapons don't end wars, but they make it harder for the aggressor to win them. Ukraine doesn't have to conquer Russia, they just have to make it so costly for Russia to take a step forward that Russia's resources slowly get ground down to the point where they can't maintain the fight. Given the vast resources of NATO, the US and now even non-NATO US allies considering adding more aid, Russia will be outspent and out-resourced, forced to continue to send poorly equipped poorly lead, poorly fed, troops into a meat grinder. The Equivalent of watching a bear struggle through quicksand. The more it struggles the more it gets stuck. Leaving it with one option... to drown in a mire of it's own making. 
It's not pretty, it's not neat and clean. IT's ugly, but this is the path the Putin has chosen for his people, and they will, like Russians before, march to the slaughter because of the whims of one man. IT's tragic, but the only other option is to allow Russia to take by force the entire territory... leading us back into an age where aggressor states can just roll over borders at will with vague reasons and unprovoked conflicts from one part of the globe to the other.... a return to the Napoleonic world order, where military might and tactics settle world affairs instead of politics and diplomacy. >

Then why are they complaining about American involvement if it won’t do shit… >

They’re language about this sounds an awful lot like an abusive husband. 
“You’re making me hit you. Why don’t you stop?” >

So Russia is saying that this will directly impede their ability to win the war (what they mean by "peace").
That's a strange thing to admit but ok Russia, thanks for letting us know.  We will send double now! >

Translation: “these missiles won’t help us conquer ukraine” >

"Conflict" makes it sound like this war happened by an unfortunate series of events and not like Russia directly attacked and invaded Ukraine. The power of words. >

The fox tells the farmer not to put up chicken wire because it does not help settle the fox's hunger. >

Oh, then I guess they won't mind if we send more then >

Probably won’t settle conflict until Russian citizens overthrow their madman leader. >

Russian citizens grew up with decades of propaganda. They are not any better. Most support the war. Those that don’t support the war were the first ones to leave. Those who couldn’t afford to leave when not supporting the war are the first conscripted. Putin has not started to conscript his supporters. He still conscripts his political opponents. >

Do you blame every American citizen for not staging a coup for George W. Bush and not voting out every politician who supported invading Iraq? >

That’s a fair point. I think the scales are different. The US was not looking to take Iraq’s land for financial gain. Even many in the US who opposed the war hoped it would result in a better country for the Iraqi people. Fair point nonetheless. >

We didn't need their land, we needed their Oil
See also: afghanistan had oil, opium, and precious metals
Wars are often fought over resources, not just land
I think that resources (oil, natural gas) play a role in the russia / ukraine conflict as well
I don't think the scales are that different though. Iraq was based upon shaky evidence and was basically an imperialist genocide >

Their oil? I would like you to explain to me exactly how you think that works. Don’t forget to factor in the international commodities market in your answer. >

Wow links. So I guess you can’t explain it then. One of the links literally says opinion in it. >

Nope.  My random guess is that we attacked Iraq because W wanted revenge for Iraq trying to kill his dad. That doesn’t mean anything I said is not true. The US people wanted The Iraqi people to have a better life. The vast majority of soldiers in Iraq wanted Iraq to have stable and good lives. That is not how Russia views the Ukraine situation. >

They won’t help settle conflict but they will help Ukrainians to defend from Russian terrorist attacks. >

It will be removing Russian leverage over the Ukrainian population. >

I wonder what Russia would do if Ukraine got long range weapons and started attacking/bombing Russian cities? >

What and genocide of Ukraine will? Fuck these mother fucking Russians back to the stone age. Oh wait they already live in it. >

Would a bullet in Putin's head settle it? >

Wouldn't hurt to try. >

In Russian you usually fall out of a window or down four floors of stairs. >

Gravity poisoning is more common in Russia. >

I now have a new phrase to add to my repertoire >

Of course they will help settle the conflict, by preventing Russia's continued attacks against civilians and infrastructure, and continue to reduce the effectiveness of Russia's war effort overall, such that Russia will finally pull its head out of Putin's ass and 
WITHDRAW FROM UKRAINE. >

Get the Fuck Out, Putin!
That will help settle the ~~conflict~~ invasion. >

Patriot batteries will make it harder for the Ruzzian terrorists to commit acts of genocide against a populace they wish to exterminate. 
The use of "settle" infers both parties can be reasonable. Is there a word in Russian for 'reasonable'? >

Is ANYONE on planet earth still listening to Putin or his minions. And …. How many times are they gonna threaten stuff. We stopped paying attention after like threat no. 10 or so ….the world is busy Vlad. >

“Russia says….” has become the new “Florida man….” LOLOL >

You know what could, Russia!  Stop causing the war Russia, you F$#ks! >

Please don’t throw me in the briar patch. >

Russia said on Thursday that U.S. supplies of Patriot missile systems to Ukraine, announced during Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's visit to Washington, would not contribute to settling the conflict or prevent Russia from achieving its goals. And Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said of the Patriot shipment: "This is not conducive to a speedy settlement, quite the contrary. And this cannot prevent the Russian Federation from achieving its goals during the special military operation", using Russia's term for the war. >

The only "settlement" is a resounding defeat for Russia and the only way to achieve that is to arm Ukraine. >

That isn't the intention. Russia, the intention is for you to get the absolute fuck out of Ukraine and back where you belong, in your own country.
Assholes.
With Zelensky on US soul and speaking to the American people, I'm sure it pisses the fuck out of the Kremlin. Oh well. They are scared. Patriot missiles will give the Ukrainians a fighting chance.
Keep sending them more. Fuck the Kremlin. >

Patriots are just for shooting down Russian missiles and planes, not to settle conflict with Russia. That’s special operations job. >

It's funny....
Russia: "Don't give them Patriot missiles or I will blow a nuke."
Then they go: "Patriot missiles wont help you anyway..."
sadge. >

Then it absolutely would. This is the negative part of lying consistently - you can just 180 it to get the truth. >

You know I have to say Biden's been growing on me. I quite despised him initially, and thought he was decrepit, bumbling, and incompetent, particularly WRT Afghanistan and Kamala's epic failure on the border. But Biden's diplomatic successes in uniting Western allies and supporting Ukraine has really made me re evaluate him. On top of that the latest climate bill is a good start, and Biden has been collaborating with our European allies very effectively. He even repaired relations with France after France lost its shit when the Australians pulled out of the sub deal in exchange for US nuclear reactor tech. I really feel like there is incredible potential, thanks in part to Biden, for a complete economic and military alliance with Europe and other countries with Western ideals. >

The most advanced 25 year old missile system in the world. >

In all fairness, Russia is still fighting the war like its still 1990’s soooo 🤷🏻‍♂️ >

1970's * >

looks at T-62s >

fine, *1960s >

Russia: Damn suddenly none of our mssiles work >

I don't think Ukraine are aiming for "settling" the conflict at the moment. More like 'enforcing' the end of the conflict.
So, I guess, Russia is technically correct. >

I don't know if anyone has seen a patriot missile in action. It's actually pretty amazing. They just knock any inbound missile right out of the sky. I watched a bunch of them knock the incoming scuds down during the first weeks of the OIF in 2003. They're loud. All sound is replaced by those things till they hit. Its surreal. >

So it will settle the war then, seeing that the opposite is true for any claims made by Russians. >

“Settling” was never an option. Russian defeat is the only way. >

How does that actually happen without US boots on the ground >

Sooner or later, Russia will run out of soldiers, ammunition, money and friends. Putin today promised “unlimited spending”. That’s a fantasy since resources are limited. >

If Russia is this huge existential threat why isn't America putting boots on the ground? >

Because we don’t even need to lol. 
Can you not even comprehend how weak the Russians are right?
The US men’s soccer team could defeat them. 
(Sorry, Ivan) >

If we don't need to, why hasn't Russia surrendered yet? Hasn't it been a year? >

????
Why haven’t they surrendered to a country they aren’t at war with?
You OK? >

I meant retreated, but I think you get the idea. 
Why hasn't Ukraine been able to declare victory yet?
We keep giving them all of these weapons and supposedly Russia is so weak that a soccer team could defeat them. Let's say you are right. Then why is the war still ongoing? Why hasn't Putin been forced to retreat yet? >

Because there are still 300k mobniks inside their country.
All you had to say was that you don’t understand politics OR war. >

Mobniks? Sorry, I don't speak Russian. 
I do know a little Ukranian though 
Я їм Sarcofaygo >

They'll help just fine if one sails through Putin's window. >

That’s not how it works considering they’re purely for defense. >

Yeah, people on Reddit like memes & group think. Their heart is in the right place but they don’t always get it right lol >

“Righttttt” - Dr Evil
What makes the Patriot Missile System so strong is the intercepting aspect and not the pew pew boom aspect.
That’s effectively taking munitions to make IEDs instead of using them as intended despite having the means to fire them correctly. >

Maybe they’ll help Russia’s terrorist regime fuck off finally. >

What an arrogant statement. What evidence do the Russians have that anyone is interested in settling the Ukraine conflict on Russia’s terms? >

Elon wants to.  But Ukraine would sooner freeze.  Fortunately, Western support will keep the worst from happening. >

If you believe the only way this ends is with Russia winning, then of course you would think any aid to Ukraine would not “settle the conflict”.
Personally, as an American, I’m okay with giving Ukraine even more stuff. >

No, but they'll help dull the pain until the evil backs off. >

That's okay.  They'll help protect Kyiv while it is decided. >

It sure as hell won’t hurt. The Ukrainians, that is. >

Duh, it’s to try stop the 100 odd cruise missiles being sent into Ukraine weekly. >

How about we stop listening to Russia. Treat them like the Murderous fucks they are and ignore every lying word that comes out of Moscow >

Can anyone link what Russia’s demands for peace are?  Im not sure ive seen them, be it because theyre laughable, or because theyre not being genuine (also laughable).
So seriously, what are the aggressors terms to stop killing babies and blaming Nazis for the need for a cleansing?