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Sounds like they’ve accomplished their “goal”
This is good.  This is them trying to achieve a "victory" that doesn't involve Ukraine's land.  It's entirely false but it's potentially preparing their public for them pulling out.  Hopefully.  Or they're just drunk and saying whatever. >

Except they're sitting on quite a lot of stolen land, this is them trying to justify just squatting on what they have vs erasing Ukraine from the map like they planned. >

The claim of de-militarization only makes sense as a prelude to retreat. Because it only holds water if fighting stops. 
Now, neither I or the guy you're responding to really believe the Kremlin cares if their claims hold water. It's either just someone spouting off, or they're making a whole mess of internally contradictory statements, so that any action they choose can be justified by something they've said. 
But if we were to assume, hypothetically, that this statement represented Russia's intent for what to do next, then the major conclusion is that they're looking to pull out of Ukraine everywhere that they believe they would have to continue to defend militarily. >

...you need to read /view Russian media mate.  
This isn't justifying retreat.  This is justifying continuing to their populace.  Their foundries are at max capacity for the first time in decades, armies at doubled manpower, etc.
I have no idea what Putin's planning, but it ain't retreat. >


Their foundries are at max capacity

What are they producing? >

Vehicle upgrades.  Unfortunately they’re a bit short on vespene right now >

They forgot to construct additional pylons before moving forward and expanding . >

You substantially demilitarised yourselves. >

Depopulated their able bodied 18-50 year old male bracket too. >

Plus with the brain drain that occurred before and in the immediate months after they've crippled themselves from a research and education standpoint, as well, and those resources are now bolstering other nations' capacity in that regard.
So not only did they damage their own long term prospects for success, they've helped their neighbors' own prospects.
Turns out running a nation state like a mob family isn't so great for 99.9% of the people. >

Turns out when you piss off most of the planet it's not even good for their top either. Seized assets, seized yachts, sanctions, industries failing due to a complete lack of critical components they can't make, etc. 
They're all feeling this. I assume this is why we've seen so many of his fellow oligarchs having trouble falling out windows and 'murder suiciding' their families. >

Great. Mission accomplished. Now get the fuck out please and remain an international pariah having ruined your own economy and position as energy supplier to euros for decades to come. >

Congrats, the goal is achieved, you can fuck of back home now. >

Yes indeed. The UAF has indeed demilitarized Ukraine of Russian forces. >

Lol, I want what these guys are smoking.
They are contributing to building the biggest military in the region. >

They aren't smoking anything. They are doing a propaganda campaign and people help them whenever they post or upvote their propaganda pieces. They are not supposed to be credible opinions - the whole purpose is to flood medias with nonsense to drown meaningful topics. >

Ah so its like Tuckersov Karlsonietsky? >

They don't need a knock off branded Tucker.  
The actual Tucker is carrying water for them. >

Oh but that's the one i was referring to. >

Right on. >

It sounds like an off-ramp for a Russian general withdrawal. >

I wish. But Ukraine won't stop before they have liberated Crimea. No way Putin can sell that at home as victory. >

Yep. Ukraine has all of the momentum and international support. Russia is not going to be able to squirm it’s way into a cease fire after this, and Ukraine will likely replace them as Europe’s primary energy supplier as western multinational firms return. >

They do not have western support re: Crimea. Most western leaders want Zelensky to quietly drop that goal. It's irrelevant right now but if you ever see Russia pull out of east Ukraine you'd see big international pressure for Ukraine to drop Crimea. >

I've seen this repeated all over but is that really the case? I don't think the people in Europe want Ukraine to leave Crimea to Russia, and why would Western leaders want the war to end? Getting back to cheap Russian gas will be less important as time goes on, the war itself is cheap for them (it isn't their troops dying, nor their cities getting bombed) and long term they get an ally that will be able to provide them energy independence from Russia (and will be able to do that much better if Ukraine gets Crimea back). >

Europeans don't like the prospect of being threatened with nuclear hellfire for the next several years, and it's ultimately Europeans who vote in the parties that will deal the most with Russia. Securing the peace of mind of citizens who will gladly vote in more sympathetic if they feel unsafe trumps realpolitik in western countries. 
It's not a problem right now, because Ukraine is still on the backfoot, but if Europeans start to feel that the war could end at any point but for Ukraine wanting Crimea, you'll see Russian sympathetic politicians start to gain influence. >

That ignores that the largest aid packages are all American. The United States has made it clear they are in it for as long as it takes. What Europe is willing to commit is irrelevant in the long haul. It may slow the process if smaller sources of aid dry up, but the outcome will ultimately be the same so long as the US continues forward.
And regardless of the divide in American politics, the Middle East has shown Americans don’t really care about wars so long as their interests are being secured and we aren’t losing significant American lives. The money was spent a long time ago. Neutering Russia is about OUR interests. That those interests align with Europe currently is advantageous for the continent. But Europe’s opinion on matters will have minimal effect on American interests in Ukraine. 
And this all ignores the fact that many Americans believe that despite the benefits to us currently, supporting Ukraine is a moral stance. Not just a cost/benefit analysis. >

America is not going to jeopardize its relationship with western Europe over Ukraine. Russia has already been thoroughly humiliated, keeping or losing Crimea doesn't make a big difference on that front.
American escapades in the ME led to the worsening of ties that led Europe to think playing nice with Russia was a good idea. Biden's admin is more diplomatic about its geopolitics, and that's a good thing.
I'm also not fond of the implication that the Crimean occupation and the current conflict must be viewed as the same, because that's a stance only Ukraine has. No other country, not even Russia sees it that way. Americans and European leadership will not use Ukraine's perspective of the conflict to inform what they will and won't support. >

This has some real “Mission Accomplished” vibes. >

Yeah, Putin on the burned out Admiral Kuznetsov giving the speech. >

Give that man a banner and a jumpsuit. >

Then I guess the Russians can drop their guns and just walk the fuck out and not worry about getting capped in the ass on their way. >

You know what? If this gets them to pull the troops back. Sure, you showed them, now go away >

Is this Russia's way of trying to clinch some sort of "out"?
A hilariously vague and obviously spurious victory condition that allows them to run for their lives and withdraw from the biggest military and strategic failure this century and still claim victory at home?
This is going to be insane if true. I almost can't see them doing it. It's really telling of the difficult position they must be in.
Ukraine is certainly not demilitarized, if anything, it's fortified and more guns are pointed at the Russian border than ever. Russia may never be able to step foot in Ukraine again without getting summarily slapped. They've completely ruined any chance of Russia expanding west again.
The Russian people are not going to be happy. It's been a great paranoia of Russia that NATO is getting closer to their borders, and it's been foreign policy for decades that buffer states do the work of seperating them. Now Finland, Sweden, Ukraine are NATO candidates, with a few more likely to follow. This is a massive failure that no amount of propaganda can sweep under the rug.
And then there's the human costs. You may be able to downplay the NATO expansion, but 100,000+ deaths is something you can't hide or spin yourself out of. The soldiers that get to return home will do so angrily. They've essentially created 1 million dissenters out of thin air, silent or otherwise... You'll be hard pressed to find a family in Russia not negatively impacted by the war, and utterly disillusioned by what they've seen in terms of Russia's military capability. And of course, western media seeps in to give a clearer picture from time to time.
Russia's economy is kaput, and probably not going to recover this century. Massive brain drain due to the war, huge manpower loss in casualties. Sanctions up the wazzoo. Even friendly countries are hesitent to do business with them, without even mentioning that their only friends are also experiencing "revolution" shaped troubles. The demographic disaster has just been sped up, and the population crash in Russia is only going to be more pronounced.  
Angry defeated army. Unstable government. Unstable autocrat. Eviscerated economy. Loss of prestige. Loss of credibility. Loss of workers. I wouldn't want to be in the in charge of security at the Kremlins parking garage right now, put it that way. >

Jesus, how many statements these guys have made In just the last 48 hours. Nobody cares >

Ukraine's military is stronger now than they have ever been. 
russia hasn't achieved any of their goals. In fact, they have achieved the exact opposite. 
The amount of incompetence and delusion coming out of russia's leadership is mind blowing. You would almost think they were self-sabotaging. >

We have to be realistic, that Russia has crippled Ukraine's airforce and hugely damaged it's armed forces.. but it's at the expense of adding superior NATO-provided defensive weaponry like HIMARS and soon Patriot missile batteries. >

I guarantee Ukraine will get a massive fleet of F-16s after the war is over. >

Already being trained i would assume. >

Yep. There were rumors that they are being trained in Poland right now. >

Its a good strategy.  Then when us says.... send it... it was there yesterday,  with trained operators.  Also likely when we say... sending 4 something... its likely more >

I dont think becoming the number 1 arms supplier for the country you chose to invade seems like demilitarization. Idk it must be me >

I know - there is probably a matrix glitch somewhere around moscow and they certainly must be living in another reality. 
That or too much vodka.
Can't explain that otherwise. >


Can't explain that otherwise.

Easy. It is for internal consumption. For people who have no news source besides Russia state TV. >

It was somewhat the same way in the late 60's early 70's in America. The big 3 news networks all assured us, each and every day, that we'd killed 450 Vietcong while suffering 3 wounded on our side. Sometimes 300, sometimes 400. In reality they dumped a bunch of napalm on a section of jungle and figured there could be 450 VC in there. The news had to be this to keep the students from rioting so vehemently they'd persuade working people to vote out those in power. Now let the downvotes begin but it is the truth. >

Russia is opposite land so what they’re really saying is that they significantly militarised Ukraine. >

AND demilitarised Russia. The second biggest arms exporters is reduced to buying from North Korea and Iran. >


reduced to buying from North Korea and Iran

on credit >

The precise opposite!
They had a small military, tending towards the western preference of too small.
Not they have a substantial % of their people serving, a lot of foreign volunteers, a wartime economy and billions of £ of armaments flooding into it. >

That is laughable.  Dmirty Perskov is going to be suicided before this is done! >

Right. Declare victory and  get out of Ukraine. >

It's "opposite day" at the Kremlin >

To be fair, Ukraine did pass a lot of their used bullets and missiles to the Russians. Russia responded by giving Ukraine a lot of unused munitions. >


Details: Answering the question whether one of the goals of the special operation [the official term used by Russians to describe the ongoing war with Ukraine – ed.], namely the demilitarisation of Ukraine, can be considered as complete based on the speech of President Vladimir Putin, Peskov answered: "We can state that there is significant progress on the path of demilitarisation." >

I would even say that the progress is so advanced that we can say we achieved it. Also number of Ukrainian Nazis was significantly reduced, Russian citizens evacuated from the regime to Russia. Also we found that due to increasing costs we have to close the Sevastopol naval base. As a gesture of goodwill we will also leave the Luhansk and Donetsk republics. 
We announce full success of this Special Military Operation! >

Whatever they need to tell their moronic followers to regain enough face to leave Ukraine.  Sure, claim victory.  Just get the hell out. >

Wait gents this may be good news . How many quotes now from the kremlin about wanting to end the war quickly , disappointed about no negotiation , now they are saying they have completed one of their "Goals" . 
This is the closest we have been to seeing them pull out since feb . >

Congratulations!  🎊🍾 Mission Accomplished!  You can get the fuck out now. >

Well, job done then. Time to pack it in, comrades! >

Literally the opposite of reality, per usual. >

Pretty sure they've got it backwards...
Didn't Ukraine sink one of their best naval vessels? Take out a bunch of reportedly "highly trained" soldiers?
Man, Russia's really grasping at straws here. >

How awesome would it be if the Kremlin played the bullshit card on itself to end the war? >

So declare victory and go home ! >

Honestly, the invasion is shaping up to be a failure of proportions that would make Donald Trump look competent by comparison.
Russia's original goals were to just quickly march in, steamroll Ukraine, annex it by force, and threaten anyone who interferes with either a vague nuclear threat or threats to cut off supplies.  Once Ukraine was forcibly annexed, they figured the rest of the world had little choice but to go along with it since there wasn't much they could do about it beyond giving Russia a frowny face.  And then they could strongarm the old Soviet states into reforming the old USSR to counteract NATO.
But instead of abandoning Ukraine, the world started pouring weaponry in en masse.   Instead of Zelinskyy going down as barely a footnote in history, he's now poised to be one of the greatest world leaders of the 21st century.  Ukraine was one of the poorest countries in Europe and instead of emerging from this war as war-torn state of Russia could end up emerging from reconstruction as a European powerhouse due to international reconstruction aid and investment.  Instead of showing that NATO can be weakened and threatened, NATO will pick up at least 2 more members, one of which has beaten back Russia before and is literally on their doorstep.  
That is a spectacular failure in every sense of the word.  Russia is supposed to be among the top military dogs on the planet and couldn't even take out the geopolitical equivalent of some boys from the 'hood.  A man who was supposed to be one of the most feared men on earth is being absolutely owned by a standup comedian in an old sweatshirt.  
Zelinskyy will be remembered as an inspirational world leader who showed up dressed like he literally just got off the battlefield and addressed the government of the most powerful government on Earth while getting multiple standing ovations, while Putin will be remembered as a guy who sat alone in a room at the head of a comically long table out of fear of assassination. >

LOL, no.
I think the Kremlin may be preparing to declare victory and leave. They've started to mention peace talks a lot more frequently lately.
The Ukrainians aren't talking. They just keep shooting. >

I mean, violence is a kind of dialogue, and a HiMARS rocket or 15 is a hell of a peace treaty.  Peace in pieces, motherfuckers. >

Himars is less a bullet with your name on it and more a hearty fuck you very much to the occupant. >

Or the opposite. >

Good. Now go home. >

Guys, this is a good thing. It means in their minds, they have accomplished one of their goals. It means they should be that much closer to calling off the fighting. >

Literally the opposite. Fucking everything Russia spews from its rotten hole of a mouth is pure bullshit. >

Oh , yeah, they have no more nazis nor army. So please fuck the back off now. Mission accomplished >

Yes, yes, completely demilitarised, wonderful job, now fuck off >

“Kremlin believes that Russia substantially demilitarized” - Ukraine. 
FTFY! >

Russia did substantially demilitarize UKRAINE of Russian forces. >

This feels very much like W's "Mission Accomplished" moment... >

Awesome. Now please get the f*ck out of my country. >

Over mountains of their own dead bodies apparently. >

Kremlin: We will demilitarise Ukraine
*Ukraine takes armor that Russia left behind to have way more vs when the war started*
Kremlin: It's working brilliantly. >

Girl, ya'll carrier burned down. You done demilitarized yourselves. >

we never had so many people mobilized or military trained, all while gradually updating military equipment >

It's demilitarized in the sense that almost all old Soviet era stuff is destroyed or used up. 
Let's ignore the fact that it's been replaced with NATO materiel. >

Patriot systems in Ukraine 1 year ago: 0 >

Unfortunately for them, it mostly been the part that contained Russian military. >

Do you reckon they know its bullshit, or do you think they genuinely believe their own  nonsense at this point?
Not that it makes any difference. It's fascinating to watch though. >

The article carries a photo, unidentified but I guess it's Pupin's press sec. I'd bet my Jeep he's got his ticket to Bali sewed into a secret pocket >

I hope, pray, this is them trying to talk up a victory to save face with their people and just end this godforsaken invasion.  They can run false ads in Times Square declaring victory for all that care, just quit the attacks.
Of course, this also could be an attempt to prolong it and paint Ukraine as an aggressor.  Russia still occupies a lot of land, so by declaring victory and "peace," are they just trying to justify further attacks by claiming to be the victim when Ukraine continues to defend occupied territory? >

Lol.  Hehehe.  Hahahah.  HAHAHAHA >

Good, then leave Ukraine now. >

They believe they can fly 🎶they believe they can touch the sky 🎶 >

Sometimes silence can seem so loud >

Great. Now you can leave. >

...And other obvious lies you can keep telling yourselves to cope... >

Ukraine has made your military the laughing stock of the world and your government has essentially caused a massive brain drain that the country may never recover from. >

Sure ok. Now gtfo >

Oh is that right?  Then what the hell just killed 500 of your unwilling conscripts yesterday? >

Declare victory and leave.  Leave all of Ukraine. >

They have demilitarised the Ukrainians from a lot of old soviet equipment. The Ukrainians are more and more equipped with Western made weapons and equipment, expect for the generous donations of modern Russian tanks left behind by retreating troops. >

Also, UKR's learning to build & fly drones, air & water >

Russia has been in this “fuck around” stage for a while, but “find out” is on its way. >

Russia: “We demilitarized Ukraine.”
Jon Cena: looks at the amount of modern NATO kit flowing into Ukraine. “Are you sure about that?” >

Perfect, Mission Accomplished. Now get the fuck out of its territories. >

By that logic, Ukraine’s demilitarization will be complete once we give them an aircraft carrier. >

It's a way to get out of the war without looking like they lost, even though everyone knows.