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They strip-searched a child for a Vape Pen? The proper solution would have been to warn her and send her home. Now they are looking at a multi-million dollar lawsuit. Someone needs to be fired.
Jesus, she tells them truthfully it belongs to another kid, they search her lockers and find nothing, strip search her and find nothing and still decide to suspend her. >

Schools are extremely unfair to students. I remember getting bullied in school and getting in trouble for cursing as a student was shoving me into a locker. Also saw other students getting suspended for getting beat up. One kid had a broken jaw and was just raising his hands to his face to avoid additional damage, still got in trouble. 
This story doesn’t surprise me. I bet even if she didn’t admit to having the vape at one point they’d still suspend her out of frustration. Lots of psychopaths working in schools. >

Zero tolerance is the stupidest fucking policy to ever exist. >

It’s not zero tolerance at this point. It’s zero tolerance for victims and full tolerance for the bullies. >

In my experience it’s zero tolerance for victims and -1 tolerance for bullies. I got punched in the back of the head once and the puncher ran off. I got suspended for three days and he got suspended for 10. It had happened before, him hitting me for no reason and both of us getting in trouble. Since I didn’t fight back he always got in more trouble than me but they still made us both apologize and shake hands like that meant shit. At least he got punished at home for it (I think he had abusive parents) >


they still made us both apologize and shake hands like that meant shit

The name of that tactic is escaping me now, but my wife (a teacher) told me about it. Sometimes it goes further like trying to force the kids to "work it out", which is horribly unfair to a kid that's been bullied and assaulted. 
I've told both of my kids if they ever find themselves in that situation to absolutely refuse. Call or text one of us if possible and respond to anything a school employee says with "call my parents now" over and over. >

Conflict resolution, I think. >

"Peer mediation" is the phrase I was looking for. A form of conflict revolution though. >


The lawsuit states that the body search also turned up empty. Following the search, the teen was suspended from the school

The fuck? They searched her belongings, clothes, had a random nurse's aide search her body w/o consent from the child or parents, didn't find shit, and STILL suspended her? For what?

“What's the evidence? To what degree do we have any immediacy to health and safety issues? And then to what degree do we work with law enforcement and the parents to address the situation?” Macy told ABC News. “All of that comes into play before a decision is made.”

Even if this was a valid reason, they still suspended her for literally no reason and failed to work with the parents. Plus it was a fucking vape pen, not crystal meth (not that it would justify this) >

search a backpack, sure - search as locker, of course - still in doubt, send the kid home
but strip-search someone else's kid? how does someone decide that's even in the vicinity of okay? >

probably the same people who want to do genital checks on all the girls going into the washroom just in case they're trans >

and they say liberals are the perverts >

Weird how is always projection with these people. >

With conservatives, every accusation is a confession. >

Gaslight. Obstruct. Project.
GOP >


a nurse's aide Rosalyn Rubertino allegedly forced the middle schooler to strip down to only her underwear after the middle school's assigned nurse Megan Kuhlman — who was not present at the time — allegedly instructed her to do so over the phone.

That reminds me of the famous McDonald's strip-search incident from 20 years ago (which went way further).  People will do things they wouldn't otherwise if some perceived authority figure from afar is instructing them to. >

There’s a newish show on Netflix that explores those incidents. There were lots and lots of them done over years done to many different restaurants. It’s called Don’t Pick up the Phone. I highly recommend it for someone who likes true crime stuff. Pretty shocking how the guy kept at it for so long and what he was able to get people to do. >

This doc series is fucking bananas. I had heard about it years ago but didn't realize the extent of it until now. Over 100 of these instances, all over the country >

The movie based on it is pretty terrific, for anyone who hasn't seen it. >

Compliance
And it may be terrific but it’s also horrific so, trigger warnings obviously for sexual assault and rape. >

Yes of course, sorry i missed that. Thank you for pointing that out! >


James Macy, chair of the School Law section at von Briesen law firm, said the question of whether schools are justified in strip searching students rests on if they have “reasonable evidence” indicating the student has “contraband or illegal substances” that present safety concerns to the student or others.

Umm hold the fuck on. Are they suggesting that schools have the discretion to strip search students under some circumstances??? >

On top of that, the nurse wasn’t present and despite nothing being found she was punished? >

School to prison pipeline. Turn these kids into criminals. >

Turn the parents into criminals too. If the school ever strip searched my daughter, I'd probably be there myself. >

Just don't admit anything and get rid of the shovel in a lake. >

A different lake than the body, if that wasn’t apparent. >

Appalling behaviour on the side of the school. Hopefully the mother wins the suit against the school and the adults involved are sacked. >

Honestly, the one doing the strip search should go to prison for sexual assault of a minor. That shit will forever haunt the kid >

She was just following orders.  That works, right?
/s >

The so-called "War on Drugs" is one of the most damaging things to our civil liberties.
Some of the Founding Fathers were smugglers, especially in tea. When they revolted and formed a new country, they wrote in the Constitution that you can't be searched without a Warrant, and that Warrant has to specify exactly what they are looking for.
That's because the British stopped and searched them at will, looking for "contraband".
Today, we've almost given up that right completely. All the police have to do is say they "smell" pot, and they can search you without a warrant. Or like in this case, somebody said you have something, so no warrant needed. >

The 4th ammendment actually does not apply to students inside of schools. We have our rights taken away as soon as we step foot on the property. >

I have a degree in Educational Leadership and interned to become an administrator, and took multiple classes focused specifically on legal issues like these. While there is a less strict process for reasonable search in schools, there are clear cut boundaries. The search of her backpack and locker were reasonable if it had been reported that she had a vape pen at school because it is illegal for a minor to possess. The strip search absolutely crossed the line. If there was a concern that the student had an illegal substance or vape pen, she should have been brought to the SRO’s office, not the school nurse’s. Admin should know this and there should absolutely be consequences (both professional and legal) for the adults that participated and/or allowed a minor to be strip searched. >

I would be interested to know what the school policy defines as a harm to other students. The degree of harm of vape pen possession should not warrant a strip search but 'harm' is probably too vaguely defined by the admin so they don't have to think critically about an appropriate response. >

It's really weird because I hear so many stories about schools afraid to do anything because they're afraid of the parents, or afraid of the legal liability.
And then I hear one of these stories like once a month. >

I was just thinking that. Kids throwing tantrums, being physically violent, met with a slap on the wrist. Oh but they might have some weed on them? Crucified. >

I thought she had drugs before i read this. Strip searched for a frigging vape pen. Underage and no parents there. Lifetime of trauma. Should pay well. >

The nurse assistant, nurse on the phone, and admin should all be on a public list for the rest of their lives. >

The only reason to strip search a child is if you have legitimate reason to think they've got a gun shoved up their ass. That is to say, almost never. No potential drug use is worth the trauma. >

Even in that case it's not a school nurse issue.  Call the police. >

The shame inflicted on that child will be with them for life. Hopefully she can see a therapist immediately. >

When I first saw this, I thought I was reading an article about Safford Unified School District v. Redding, but nope. This is from this year. >

And Justice Thomas’ dissent in that case is horrifying. I am still unable to believe he sees no problem with girls being striped searched at school to look for an Advil. >

Didn't the US Supreme Court already rule years ago that schools can't strip search a student unless there was a safety issue involved? >

I don’t know, but they fabricated a safety issue in this case to justify the strip search. I guess a rogue vape pen is dangerous enough to warrant this atrocity. :/ >

American public schools as a whole are a horror show of human rights abuses. I don’t see how it isn’t intentional to drill into children’s minds they are helpless servants of government. >

Those effing idiots!  In what planet did they think it was ok for an adult to strip search a child?  Did those grown ass adults not stop for one second and think this is a child and I am an adult who is demanding I see her naked, this might be sexual assault.  Or where they to high in there power trip and all common sense went out the window? >

There are two reasons people become a school administrator. One - they value education and want to make a contribution to future generations. Two - they're a narcissistic control freak that gets off on bossing people around and controlling them.
I bet I can guess which one this admin is. >

Yeah my wife just got promoted last year to admin after teaching for almost a decade. She's one of the good ones but works heavily with the career types you describe. So the students at her school at least have her (and the principal is another excellent teacher promoted to leadership), but it could be so much better. She teaches in an urban school and the kids are amazing, I just wish she didn't have this uphill battle just in being a fighter for her kids as well as her staff. They all deserve more than what they are currently being given. Better pay and a return to parental accountability would be a great start. >


those involved should have to register as sex offenders.

If public urination is enough to get registered, this surely qualifies >

Nah, strip searching children in schools is legal sex offending. Public urination is illegal sex offending. >

I’ve always felt like we need nuance on that one tbh 
Like: 
public urination in the bushes outside a school at 3 pm? Sex offender. 
public urination in the alley outside a bar at 3 am? Not a sex offender >

I think we could have two lists of sex offenders too. We’d have the kind that is public urination, sending nude images of yourself when you’re underage, that kind of stuff and that stuff wouldn’t require you to tell neighbors/bosses and it’d even go off your record after a while. The other kind would be the real kid-diddling, flashing, etc which remain as it currently is, gotta tell neighbors and bosses and stuff. >

what's the point of the first list, you only mentioned things that shouldn't really get you in trouble >

The first list is sexual offenses which should only bring lesser punishments. The second list is more major sex crimes. >

the two things you mentioned shouldn't be sexual offenses at all though. Sending nudes of yourself should be an offense, and public urination should be treated akin to littering, unless your making an effort to expose yourself to others >

Sending nudes of yourself while underage is still distribution of child pornography. I get your point, but that's how the law is. Public Urination used to be considered a Public Indecency charge. But too many first-offenders would plea out to a Public Indecency charge and avoid ending up on a list...and then becoming a repeat offender. They changed the law about Public Urination to keep people from using that loophole. >

Just suspend her if you feel she did wrong. Don't humiliate someone over a vape pen. >

They did. But they only suspended her AFTER finding that it wasn't her and strip-searching her.
It's the school equivalent of when you're arrested for resisting arrest: You did nothing wrong, but if you're not declared guilty of a crime then the mutilation inflicted upon you would be unlawful. >

That honestly makes the whole situation sound even worse to be honest, because that sounds exactly like a confession made under duress, ie. the kind of thing you say because you desperately want what's going on to stop regardless of if it's true or not because you think it's what the people hurting you want to hear. >

This is sexual assault. Some one did that to my daughter... wow. That school better pack up and leave town. >

Get a midday meeting with whomever allowed it to happen. Make sure there's a lock on the door. >

Public school teacher for more than 20 years here. I’ve known a number of school administrators over the years and many, not all, but many of them are in the job to wield power over other people. A lot of them are terrible leaders and have no business in administration. Poor administrators don’t get fired either. They get reassigned. I wish I could say that this surprises me but it really doesn’t. >

I'm not surprised this was in Ohio. It gets more Nazi-like here everyday.
Bravo to this parent for actually standing up for their kid, though.  That is rare for Ohio, out here parents are more likely to push their kids in front of a moving train. >

Having just watched "Don't Pick Up The Phone" how can this still be happening?  I was dumbfounded anyone would obey someone on the phone telling them to strip search a minor even back then. >

It's crazy how many school have given off pedophile playground vibes for decades >

Vibe yes, but in reality I think it’s more to do with power. Either way the kids aren’t safe in that environment, but I don’t see a sexual aspect to this. Just teachers and principals thinking that they’re better t he an everyone else and the kids are just pond scum. >

As a parent…there’d be blood. >

I was suspended once for something another person did ... 
... and my mother verbally ripped the principal a new one.
I was back to school the next day. >

I knew a junior high girl suspended for defending herself from sexual assault, while no mention was made of the boy who assaulted her.  (This was witnessed by multiple students, too, so not a "he said, she said" situation.)  After a phone call from her wealthy, well-connected, attorney father, the school reversed its position so fast that I'm surprised you can't see skidmarks by the football field on Google Earth. >

One honestly has to wonder about the thinking processes of school admins ... if any.
Oh, the second time I was threatened by the principal with suspension, upon walking into his office he said, "So, who are we going to suspend.  You or your friend?"   I had no idea what he was talking about.  Neither my friend nor I were suspended.  Apparently it was from someone writing on a locker door. >


One honestly has to wonder about the thinking processes of school admins ... if any.

They are on a massive power trip. which is easy to do when it's kids they are dealing with. Once the parents get involved they do a total 180 and back down faster than you can imagine.
I went to school in the 70s and 80s and was lucky to have parents that got involved anytime there was some stupid shit.
Now I was a pretty good kid and never got in trouble, but in 3rd and 4th grade we had a principle that was known as Hitler. When you were done eating lunch you had to raise your hand before you could go to recess. Hitler stood on the stage with a whistle and would blow it and point at you when you raised your hand. A teacher would come over and check to make sure you ate your entire lunch.
You couldn't leave the lunchroom and go to recess unless you finished your entire lunch. Well I always brought lunch from home and one day wasn't that hungry. I raised my hand, they came over and told me you have to finish your lunch before you can leave. I told then I brought my lunch from home, wasn't hungry and I was done, they said you can't leave until you eat everything.
After a bit of arguing about how it was my lunch from home getting me nowhere, I got up and slam dunked my lunch in the garbage can and told them I was finished. Good old Hitler flipped out and down to the office I went. If I remember correctly they gave me a letter to take home, sign and bring back the next day.
My parents were beyond livid. My Dad left work and went and met good old Hitler. I have no idea what was said but the next day I got apologies from the teacher that tried to force me to eat my lunch. Hitler no longer made me raise my hand before recess, I could just get up and leave whenever I wanted and of course they never checked to see if I ate my entire lunch. >

This shit hits really close, actually. 90s here, but similar stuff. 
I got caught up in the gigantic net they through out for ADHD. Ritalin absolutely destroyed my appetite and my drive to do anything. It got to the point where I had to throw out food ASAP in order to pretend I ate it - because we had similar rules.
I definitely do not miss 3rd-6th grade. >


because we had similar rules.

That's crazy, all they are doing is giving people eating disorders by doing that. In my case I learned much later in life that over half the kids at the school were on subsidies and got their lunch for free. I guess that admins thought since the kids were getting a free lunch they should be eating 100% of it. This was early 1970s so the era of "there are starving people in China so you need to clean your plate". >

Principal, VP, Nurse, Superintendent, etc. Anybody who greenlit or was involved in even the smallest of ways with this insanity should be charged with sexual assault of a minor, made to register as a sex offender, and sent to prison for 5yrs at the absolute minimum. School shootings so often they don’t even make the news anymore, the sexual assault of our children (so long as it’s not by a democrat), the systematic normalization of slavery, the funneling of education funding from the kids who desperately need it to the kids who don’t. Pay attention, look closely, this is conservatives ‘saving’ the education system from the radical left in real time, this is what progress looks like. This makes my fucking skin crawl. There’s no words to describe how grateful I am I don’t have children. >


The lawsuit says the teen was taken to the nurse's office. There, a nurse's aide Rosalyn Rubertino allegedly forced the middle schooler to strip down to only her underwear after the middle school's assigned nurse Megan Kuhlman — who was not present at the time — allegedly instructed her to do so over the phone.

Whether or not the teem was "only down" to her underwear or not, the parents have to be consulted and present before anything like that occurs, that wasn't their child.
The worst part is that the girl will probably have to go back to the same school after that incident.