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We’ve always been told 120kmh (75ish mph) is the upper limit. Though that’s in an open area and I’m sure surroundings and buildings/etc lower that number too. I know we’ve surprised people at much lower speeds than that and our sirens are louder and our trucks are bigger and redder.
A childhood friend of mine, Jose Malacara, was killed in a similar incident a few years ago in San Marcos, CA. Cop claimed he was chasing a drunk driver he saw in oncoming lane. He was speeding without his emergency lights on. Jose was one of the sweetest people I’ve ever met. I miss him a lot. The cop should have got manslaughter at the very least. He made a big mistake and unintentionally killed my friend. >

This happened to Jessica and Kelli Uhl in 2007 outside St Louis.  Trooper was doing 120 mph.  They were 13 and 17. >

Surely shit like this happening would be enough for any cop to abstain from chases.
How do you enter the force, hear stories like this, and then participate in a chase? >

Because if you read the thing you're replying to, the police get away with a slap on the wrist when they kill innocent people in high speed chases. >

I'm saying as an individual how could you knowing what has happened in the past
I understand punishment is not enough of a deterrent. I'm aghast that previous tragedies are not. >

Cops kill innocent people all the time and respond with empty platitudes, excuses, or even vilifying the victim. I’m not sure why you think accidental deaths would weigh heavier on their conscience just because it was with a car instead of a gun. Without external punishment, the culture of modern policing will ensure there is never accountability for this sort of thing. >

Jesus maybe because the cops that are intentionally killing people probably don't have much of a conscience to begin with?
Punishment is not the only thing stopping most people from killing others. Most have morals. >

So we shouldn’t have punishments for crimes? Because morals are enough to keep everyone in line? Is that really what you’re saying? >

Yeah sure. That's what I'm saying why not. >

I said “cops need to be punished for crimes or they’ll keep doing them” and you replied with “punishments aren’t what keep people from committing crimes.” So it sounds an awful damn lot like you think cops don’t need to be punished for crimes. Unless you think cops are some special class of people that should be given special privileges to commit crimes without consequence, that sounds to me like you think punishment for crimes is unnecessary.
If you’re saying something else, anything else really, then I’m not sure why you felt the need to disagree with my simple argument that lack of punishment leads to increased crime rates. >

You are reading way too much into what I wrote
Every human had different reactions to things, I'm just feeling shocked myself as I'm likening entering the force and hearing about these tragedies to say - when you're in highschool and a drunk drivers parent comes and talks to you.
I'm saying often emotional pain is much worse than the punishment and people who the punishment is not enough to put off committing a crime are unlikely to feel that emotional pain
But you've already decided I'm some cop lover who thinks they should run free. Not sure why you wanna argue this with me when almost everyone agrees here that a shit thing happened.
I never said no punishment should be given. You out words in my mouth to fit your agenda. Nice rant. >

This is pure negligence, even with lights and siren going an emergency vehicle must still slow down to cross the intersection so that other traffic can be made aware of the vehicle and either stop or get out of the way. >

At 86mph, he was rapidly outrunning his siren. They were completely useless in warning cars heading into the intersection and any good cop would know that. He absolutely should end up in jail for this. >

Not arguing, just curious what is the speed required to outrun a siren?
Obviously ona city street with building blocking noise it would be even lower but I’m a bit curious at what speed is the siren more just a formality as no one has time to react anyways