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Does anyone know how to watch this documentary—India: The Modi Question—inside Canada (the BBC wont permit broadcast outside the UK for this program)?
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NEW DELHI, Jan 19 (Reuters) - India's foreign ministry on Thursday dismissed a BBC documentary on Prime Minister Narendra Modi which questioned his leadership during the 2002 Gujarat riots as "propaganda".  
Modi was the chief minister of the western state of Gujarat when it was gripped by communal riots that left more than 1,000 people dead - most of them Muslims. The violence erupted after a train carrying Hindu pilgrims caught fire, killing 59.  
Accused of failing to stop the rioting, Modi denied the accusations and was exonerated in 2012 following an inquiry by India's top court. Another petition questioning his exoneration was dismissed last year.  
Terming the BBC documentary a "propaganda piece" meant to push a "discredited narrative", foreign ministry spokesperson Arindam Bagchi said a "bias", "lack of objectivity", and "continuing colonial mindset" is "blatantly visible" in it.  
"It makes us wonder about the purpose of this exercise and the agenda behind it, and we do not wish to dignify such efforts," he told a news conference.  
The BBC, contacted for comment, said the documentary was "rigorously researched" and involved a "wide range" of voices and opinions, including responses from people in Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).  
"We offered the Indian Government a right to reply to the matters raised in the series – it declined to respond," a BBC spokesperson said. >

When someone attacks the source, instead of the argument, then the argument is usually a good one.  If Modi thinks the BBC report is wrong then providing proof or at least a counter argument is the right way to handle it. >

Exactly, and if the Indian govt are waging that people (internationally) will believe them over the reputation of the BBC, they’re in for a surprise. >

The entire British public found that scandal abhorrent. The executives were to blame and should be held accountable. 
But no one is calling for the BBC to be defunded except a small minority who think (very simplistically) that an entire organisation can be blamed for the acts of just a few. >

You’ve been frantically commenting throughout this entire thread with nothing but ‘Britain are oppressors’ comments, so I’m going to disengage with you now. There’s no meaningful conversation here, especially considering that you’re just fabricating statistics.
If the posts on your profile are correct and you are actually from the UK, then you will have access to our public libraries. I recommend you go and read ‘Insurgent Empire’ by Priyamvada Gopal (a renowned Indian national) and learn about how colonialism changed Britain. 
I’m very pro-Indian and pro-reparations to be paid to India. But the reputation of the BBC is not as you say, and you sound very misinformed. >


especially considering that you’re just fabricating statistics.

Disengage with me darling; I have no time for individuals that can't perform a simple Google search.
How much are we betting that you'll be calling it an unreliable source? >

You think just by predicting that I would call it an unreliable source, somehow negates the fact that it is an unreliable source?
Have a nice day, please consider the last two paragraphs of my previous comment. Goodbye. >

YouGov?
Or do sources only count when they match your views?
The BBC is a sinking ship organisation; most of us can't wait for the platform that humanised the likes of Shamima Begum and Anjem Choudary to completely fall. >

That’s a Twitter account that paid $8 for a verification tick…
And defending a girl who joined ISIS, a terror organisation, makes you the worst kind of person.
I won’t reply again, you’re clearly not worth it. >

Well... Isn't everything? >

Ministry of propaganda goes full on Spiderman pointing at Spiderman meme. >

Then it must be pretty good >

In 2007 Modi walked out of an interview when asked about Gujarat riots of 2002
This was the last time he ever took questions from the press >

Ah yes, the prescreen and edited interviews with celebrities where he's asked hard hitting questions like "do you like mangos?" >

So the accuracy of the documentary is confirmed.  I will definitely make it a point to watch this. >

Do you know people worship Modi as a godly figure?
There is also a temple for Yogi Adityanath, Cheif Minister of Uttar Pradesh
Not even joking!!
Indians even worship Donald Trump after he said he is a true friend of Modi in his India visit >

I bet you're getting off on all of the white approval you're getting here <3
MMMMMM, doesn't it feel good to be a sepoy? >

Yes foreigners need to know what is going on in India 
Keep supporting him blindfolded, you guys will believe anything he says blindly >

Craving for "Gora Validation" much? >

You guys will never come out of the toxicity and oppressive society that we have built 
And yes I am craving Gora Validation
This is a world news subreddit and I can post anything I want to, matter of fact I don't want your Sanghi Validation >


You guys will never come out of the toxicity and oppressive society that we have built 

Do whatever you want, nobody is stopping you. But these "Goras" will never be your friends. We do have our issues which I agree with. But these "Goras" will backstab you with the very next opportunity they get. I will never align with a beliefs of a country that can't provide basic healthcare to its citizens and the country that refused to recognise that Churchil was responsible for the Bengal Famine.
Bold of you to assume that I am a Sanghi. >

I am a Bengali myself you idiot, stop spreading propaganda
I like how they teach these propaganda to you that you cling so hard on lmao

But these "Goras" will never be your friends. But these "Goras" will backstab you with the very next opportunity they get

This is giving me brain inflammation, where did you learn this propaganda from?

I will never align with a beliefs of a country that can't provide basic healthcare

Wtf are you talking about they have healthcare? Also do we have healthcare in India? >

Anything that invalidates "Goras" is propaganda? 

I am a Bengali myself you idiot, stop spreading propaganda 

So, Churchill was not responsible for the deaths of thousands of people that happened because of that man-made famine? >


Anything that invalidates "Goras" is propaganda? 

Anything that doesn't get outside your brainwashed head is propaganda

So, Churchill was not responsible for the deaths of thousands of people that happened because of that man-made famine?

I am not saying they were completely innocent, but who are they to save us? >

Wow, BBC is quoting former UK FS Jack Straw, the blatant liar that championed Iraq invasion...you know the one which led to 300,000+ deaths...remember the WMDs. I won't believe anything that comes out of his mouth. 
Also, the fact that you need some Britons to tell you about an incident in your own country is wild to me. Modi (whom I particularly don't like) was cleared by the Supreme Court of India. Now the SC conducted this trial during the rule of Congress. So, if Modi was culpable, he wouldn't have survived that trial. The Supreme Court trial was extensive meaning all the thousands of documents, eye-witneses, etc were scrutinised. SC also called out a lot of people who have build their careers riding on this incident. 
The fact that this incident is dragged out every few years despite the chargesheet and verdict out in open for years is just amusing to me. Almost like a foreign policy tool to waste time and resources and pressurize GoI. Anyways, people will jump and screech and forget about it in few days. Rinse and repeat. >

A flyer in a hospital telling you the upsides to washing your hands is per definition propaganda. Very telling that they use this word, and aren't claiming they're lying. >

India didn't said anything. It's the Indian government led by the very same man in whose life the documentary is made. >

Attacking the source of criticism rather than offering a counter argument to the criticism speaks volumes. >

Ask the Indian Supreme Court then. Their findings are present in public domain. >

Ah yes, Modi ki najaayaz auladein coming here to defend him while secretly or openly admiring the monster he is. >

As an Indian i didn't even know about documentary now will make my life mission to watch it >

There's a 1st part released earlier too, must check out that too >

The copium has already started by Indians in the comments. I’ve never seen a more fragile group of people that are so sensitive to even the slightest critique. >

WHERE'S THE LIE THO >

Propaganda in its most literal form means information. 
Over the last century or so, word has evolved to imply the information is laced with bias.
Fascinating how sensitive to mild criticism certain governments around the word are. >

You are incorrect.  It refers to propagation of faith-based information in its true origin.
In its current definition it is: 
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
"he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda" >

Oh hey, a documentary about that time Modi openly encouraged lynch mobs to attack Muslims. >

An episode with Bear Grylls is totally not a propanda. >

Indian nationalists are even more childishly insecure than Russians. >

I am sure it is. The BBC is the ultimate propaganda machine. >

Because Modi has done nothing wrong? >

Does anyone know how to watch this documentary—India: The Modi Question—inside Canada (the BBC wont permit broadcast outside the UK for this program)? >

That's what the BBC does, have they just noticed? >

Being propaganda doesn’t make it untrue. >

Technically all media is propaganda in some way if you really want to get down to brass tacks. >

Doordarshan (official Indian broadcaster like BBC is for the Britain) should have a documentary about andrew, Diana’s death. Once the official media of a country meddles in another all bets should be off. There is enough dirt in UK to have multiple seasons worth of content.       
It’s not any independent media but state interference.  Modi is guilty or not is a separate issue. Currently Indian public still has a soft spot for the British. Probably a good time to change that >

You realize there are already tv shows and documentaries about the British royalty, right? But also that the British royalty doesn’t actually rule anything…
Edit: also what do you mean soft spot? My gf from Nagpur complains about the British about once a day. >

I do. But Indian public might not have seen them. I think a regular series would help Indians know about the royal family a little better.          
The royal family is one subject, we could have Churchill world wars famines etc.        
the objective should be having many such people like your gf at the end of the exercise. If British government meddles with India the response should be similar or more >

I think there are already a lot of documentaries on the subject out there for the people who are interested, but one thing I’ve noticed is there really isn’t a lot out there about Modi. I asked my gf about it and she said it’s because Modi did a lot of shady stuff to keep his past quiet.
Edit: I should mention she doesn’t hate Modi, she’s just torn because she feels he’s done a lot of good for India, but also is taking India a few steps closer to fascism. >

Could be. Nothing wrong in having an Indian POV of royal shenanigans and Indian languages. Could be a good series with some investigative reporting.         
It’s like with Modi. So many stories about him in India but apparently real paucity in the UK.             
I think the debate about Modi could be handled well with some independent media for sure. Channel 4 perhaps? Not British establishment mouthpiece. That’s the main thing >

As someone on the outside, the thing I’ve noticed is India’s real enemy isn’t the British. It’s the ruling class of India. And through a crazy amount of propaganda, they’ve convinced the Indian public that a country that is smaller than them in every way, currently on a massive economic decline, ruled by someone with strong ties to India, and who barely interacts with them, is somehow the enemy compared to the people who basically exploit the lower class as slaves. 
I have no horse in this race, I’m just saying I’ve noticed a lot of brainwashing from over there and it’s been hard to make my gf realize it. For example, she would talk about how she thinks it’s normal for her friends parents to discriminate against their Christian fiancé until I pointed out how much she complains about people discriminating against her for being brown. She complains about how people in White Lotus are treated until I point out how she said in India she never got her own water because her servants would always bring them to her. And to her that’s okay because they “wouldn’t have a job otherwise” but also to her human trafficking is evil. My point is, ask yourself if your enemy is really the British, or if that’s just a distraction.
Edit: one of the things that surprised her was I’m upper middle class, but I fix everything in my house myself and do my own chores. >

Perhaps. But it is for Indians to figure it out. Modi’s pros and cons have been debated by the media and public for two decades and is the most analysed figure in India.  Half of it during a government which was opposed to him in every way.  
Whatever UK is trying to do is going to backfire because more than what Modi is or not, people wouldn’t take kindly to outside meddling especially a government propaganda outlet.  Nothing brings India closer, than people taking it upon themselves to say what is good for India or not. Enough of colonial history has made people sensitive to that.            
Since you mention that an erstwhile waning colonial power who has plenty of problems of its own could focus the efforts elsewhere (like the decades long grooming of girls.). Plenty of problems to solve locally.            
I think having a single source of information like your gf can distort once views. Yes Indian families have plenty of house help.  It certainly gives employment to a segment of women who wouldn’t otherwise be part of labour market.  Not sure why she would need to be ashamed of it.          
In your case the cost of labour wherever you live made you fix those problems by yourself. Given a choice I would hire someone to fix it. Depends on the country and cost of labour. Nothing more to it. Even Indians living in the US get to learn a few trades after seeing the money involved in hiring a professional. >

The cost of labor did not make me choose to fix it on my own. I have more than enough money to pay people to do it. The difference is I give people money and don’t expect anything in return, otherwise that’s called exploitation. 
I mention my gf a lot, but I work in IT, so I’m friends with a lot of Indians who talk about home. Also I’m not sure what you mean by “backfire.” What agenda do you think the BBC has with this documentary other than informing people?
Edit: I looked into it more. It looks like journalists are arrested and killed in India significantly higher than other countries. So how exactly do you expect India to figure it out if they don’t have a free press?
Edit: I’m watching an interview of an Indian government official on BBC right now, and the Indian official didn’t realize the things she’s saying are far more damning than the things they’re saying BBC is accusing them of. >

Not many Indians employees house help and of she is having servents bring her water then the only thing I can say that not even 5 percent Indian household have that luxury and she must be quite rich by Indian standards. I myself do the laundary for entire household and some other stuff and the rest is handled by family. Second the Indians you meet in IT field are what you call rich middle class and their opinions don't reflect all indians. Most Indians on daily basis and live life in near poverty. >

Actually, that’s what I tell her and ironically she doesn’t believe me. I’m probably going to screenshot what you just said and send it to her.
Edit: but I think you missed my point that the British aren’t nearly as bad as the rich exploiting the poor in India to do work they view as beneath them. >

Don't know anything about Modi, but know enough about the BBC to believe that they're probably lying about him. >

Ahh redditors being racist against Indians and India in the comment's section just like every other day. What a nice time to be alive >

Everything I don't like is propaganda /s >

As an indian i am sick and tired of this bs, this has been going on for freaking 20 years, supreme court has given a decision and that is enough for me I don't need some britsh propaganda news to tell me otherwise >

They claim they had conducted a secret enquiry in 2002. But it took 20 years for them to release that info. They did not even release it when Modi was cleared by Supreme Court in like 2013. I guess that should tell us something. Unless we are totally brainwashed like op. >

That’s not the bbc we all know and love! >

1984's Ministry of truth >

All the India hate in the subreddit. The PM of india has been cleared of charges by the supreme court of India and unlike what people like, they are an independent body which has many times over the years given rulings against the party. >

Facist doing facist shit >

A documentary saying he has a Big Black Cock?
Surely propaganda >

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NEW DELHI, Jan 19 (Reuters) - India's foreign ministry on Thursday dismissed a BBC documentary on Prime Minister Narendra Modi which questioned his leadership during the 2002 Gujarat riots as "propaganda".  
Modi was the chief minister of the western state of Gujarat when it was gripped by communal riots that left more than 1,000 people dead - most of them Muslims. The violence erupted after a train carrying Hindu pilgrims caught fire, killing 59.  
Accused of failing to stop the rioting, Modi denied the accusations and was exonerated in 2012 following an inquiry by India's top court. Another petition questioning his exoneration was dismissed last year.  
Terming the BBC documentary a "propaganda piece" meant to push a "discredited narrative", foreign ministry spokesperson Arindam Bagchi said a "bias", "lack of objectivity", and "continuing colonial mindset" is "blatantly visible" in it.  
"It makes us wonder about the purpose of this exercise and the agenda behind it, and we do not wish to dignify such efforts," he told a news conference.  
The BBC, contacted for comment, said the documentary was "rigorously researched" and involved a "wide range" of voices and opinions, including responses from people in Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).  
"We offered the Indian Government a right to reply to the matters raised in the series – it declined to respond," a BBC spokesperson said. >

When someone attacks the source, instead of the argument, then the argument is usually a good one.  If Modi thinks the BBC report is wrong then providing proof or at least a counter argument is the right way to handle it. >

Exactly, and if the Indian govt are waging that people (internationally) will believe them over the reputation of the BBC, they’re in for a surprise. >

Well... Isn't everything? >

1984's Ministry of truth >

Indian govt** not India -- ftfy >

Then it must be pretty good >

In 2007 Modi walked out of an interview when asked about Gujarat riots of 2002
This was the last time he ever took questions from the press >

Ah yes, the prescreen and edited interviews with celebrities where he's asked hard hitting questions like "do you like mangos?" >

smae with RaGa though he just don't know how to speak and provide facts someday he say Ram is not real other day he say he is janeudhari Hindu... >

Ministry of propaganda goes full on Spiderman pointing at Spiderman meme. >

So the accuracy of the documentary is confirmed.  I will definitely make it a point to watch this. >

Do you know people worship Modi as a godly figure?
There is also a temple for Yogi Adityanath, Cheif Minister of Uttar Pradesh
Not even joking!!
Indians even worship Donald Trump after he said he is a true friend of Modi in his India visit >

I bet you're getting off on all of the white approval you're getting here <3
MMMMMM, doesn't it feel good to be a sepoy? >

Wow talk about discrimination. MMMM must feel good to label peope instead of being properly coherently and logically debating even if it is tiring? Did it feel good to have daddy modi approve your small d energy? 
Mmmmmm. Hypocrisy and pot calling the kettle black.
Before you label me anything, as wont your type do, im a asian in southeast asia. >

India didn't said anything. It's the Indian government led by the very same man in whose life the documentary is made. >

and the man was proved to innocent.11 years ago. why are they making this now?? how are we sure that its not to force a narrative? >

A flyer in a hospital telling you the upsides to washing your hands is per definition propaganda. Very telling that they use this word, and aren't claiming they're lying. >

The copium has already started by Indians in the comments. I’ve never seen a more fragile group of people that are so sensitive to even the slightest critique. >

we all know that you are literally crying while typing those words . lmao >

Ah yes, Modi ki najaayaz auladein coming here to defend him while secretly or openly admiring the monster he is. >

that single lion is defending sheeps from jackals like you. >

Attacking the source of criticism rather than offering a counter argument to the criticism speaks volumes. >

have you read the counter argument... >

no he didnt. why would he do that?? xD >

Propaganda in its most literal form means information. 
Over the last century or so, word has evolved to imply the information is laced with bias.
Fascinating how sensitive to mild criticism certain governments around the word are. >

You are incorrect.  It refers to propagation of faith-based information in its true origin.
In its current definition it is: 
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
"he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda" >

As an Indian i didn't even know about documentary now will make my life mission to watch it >

There's a 1st part released earlier too, must check out that too >

An episode with Bear Grylls is totally not a propanda. >

yeah same with obama also.. >

WHERE'S THE LIE THO >

rather than watching a video , made to force a narrative. you should read past stories , and what happened to him after those riots...
he was proven innocents and he even tried stopping the riots. although the m*slims who burned the pilgrims are alive are still unknown.