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Tupperware, it was secured in Tupperware. Since they don't want to give specifics. How did they not expect follow up questions to that lie?
Ellenson had no comment on CNN’s follow-up questions on how the gun was secured and how the child was able to access it the day of the shooting.

If you’re gonna come up with a lie about the gun, you should at least fake how it was secured.
These people are trash. >

How could they have known there’d be follow up questions to a paper-thin excuse for their culpability? It’s not like they could keep a six-year old from a gun and ammunition. >

Might as well have kept the gun in the kids toy box >

If their 6 year old was shot by another student or teacher, even accidentally, and they were offered the same statement I doubt it would go far. >

They claimed the gun was secured. A six year old can't get access to a secured gun, therefore, they are terrible, sorry examples of parents and lying pieces of shit. 
These people raised a fucking dangerous little shit and put so many lives at risk. >

Worse — a round was chambered, no safety, with gun in cocked condition. So many things had to be done wrong for this kid to be able to do what he did. 
I don’t believe any six year old has the strength to rack a slide. >

"Our son suffers from an acute disability and was under a care plan at the school that included his mother or father attending school with him and accompanying him to Class every day"
So...It wasn't secured. It was loaded, chambered, and in an place where the child knew where it was and could easily gain access to it.
Also "They also said a family member usually went to class with him, but not the week of the incident"; who took care of the kid then? If his disability is so severe that a family member has to be with him at all times, how the hell did this even happen? >

Most of this statement is pure hogwash. It's the simplest explanation. >

Not really secure if a 6yo can get it, is it? >

The teacher was a champ made sure the children were ok even after sustaining a wound. That is pro level. >

I’m from Michigan where the parents of Ethan Crumbley have been in jail ever since he shot 4 kids dead in his high school a year ago. Throw em in fucking jail and throw away the key. >


I’m from Michigan where the parents of Ethan Crumbley have been in jail ever since he shot 4 kids dead in his high school a year ago.

Are they the ones who ran away and tried to flee the country, but couldn't get into Canada because they were unvaccinated? >

Yep but they got caught in Detroit >

They are liars and this state is minimizing this cause it’s a gun issue! >

So they're saying they gave the kid the gun, right? >

There is a Latin legal phrase which I think applies here- res ipsa loquitur, which translates roughly to: the thing speaks for itself. It gets raised in malpractice cases where the presence of an injury implies negligence.
The family says the gun was "secured". Clearly it wasn't secured well enough, given that a six-year-old was able to get his hands on it.
This stops when we hold people responsible for that kind of negligence. >

If your child is mentally ill, WHY IN THE EVERLOVING SHIT FUCK DO YOU HAVE A GUN AT HOME? >

"it's my second amendment right to own it!" >

Well then, it should also be an equal right of anyone harmed by “your gun” to sue you into oblivion and win. >

I agree with you. As a gun owner, I am responsible for what I do with my weapon, in or out of my control. If I pull an Alec Baldwin, then I deserve punishment. >

Baldwin ain't the one to blame. There's a person on set in charge for the guns. That's the one that messed up and that's the one to blame/sue >

He picked up the gun, didn't check it, cocked it, aimed it at a human, and knowingly pulled the trigger.  All negligence for which he is to blame. >

Statement from his lawyer sums it up perfectly.

"This decision distorts Halyna Hutchins' tragic death and represents a terrible miscarriage of justice. Mr. Baldwin had no reason to believe there was a live bullet in the gun -- or anywhere on the movie set. He relied on the professionals with whom he worked, who assured him the gun did not have live rounds. We will fight these charges, and we will win."

There shouldn't have been live bullets around in the first place. >

Wow; the parents typically go into class every day with their six yr old… 
I’ve never heard of such a thing. I would think if the ‘acute disability’ was that significant they would be in a more specialized school. >

Behavior related. >

I'm a behavior para-no fucking way would our school let the parents or ANY close relative be their child's para. There's just too much room for bias, and they likely don't have proper training. I can't imagine what the district was thinking. >

Remember this story? I worked in AACPS when this went down and knew the family. Garbage people and the child was a scarily holy terror.
Pop Tart Gun >

I work with six year olds. They aren’t getting into a gun unless they know how to. >

I know why news organizations have to put "allegedly" in the title, but it still feels silly to do so because it's pretty damn clear that the kid shot the teacher. >

Nah man there was a second shooter in the reading corner. >

Felony Aggravated Assault for the parent, counseling for the kid. >

Typically when a parent is required at school to shadow their child it’s because the child is needing to be restrained for safety too often and they don’t have the staff to spare to do it. Even if this child had a 1:1 a para couldn’t restrain for safety. At least in my state. 
If the parents couldn’t be at school than the child should not have been allowed, that’s on the admin. They are going to pass blame between the parents and admin but unfortunately the blame will end up on the teacher as is the case with most behavior incidents in the classroom. >

It's incredibly frustrating how little focus is put on the fact that "I'm angry at you so I should harm you" and "Guns are for hurting those that we don't like" are taught, not intuited.
This child's parents/mother created this monster, and it wasn't just access to the gun, but a poisonous world-view, that inspired this attack.
Shitty narratives, shitty mindsets, shitty people - make shitty children, who grow into shitty people, who rinse and repeat. This kid needs more than therapy now, they need wholesale re-education because their parents did them actual harm with their fucked-up teaching regarding other human lives. >

“I’m angry at you so I should harm you” is intuitive for children, they have to be taught not to react that way. I agree with you about the child being taught that guns are for hurting people and giving the child access to that gun, but a 6 year old can’t comprehend the finality of death. This child has been failed by their parents completely but they aren’t a monster. >

I remember playing childhood games that used guns as weapons, if only fingers and thumb. My parents never had guns, neither did my peers, yet we learned as children the use of guns. Think about all the shows you saw on TV, Movies, or read. The daily cartoons and the guns used by the various character’s. It’s pervasive in our society, like the air you breathe. Clearly how to load and fire a gun is dependent on the gun and your environment. However for a child to plan a shooting takes a special mindset. >

It takes the mindset of a child modeling what they are shown in their home. This child was able to access this gun, that means they were exposed to a lax attitude towards guns which further supports that they cannot comprehend the actual impact of their actions. The problem is the parents not the child. The child has mental/behavioral issues but they are not a monster. As adults we shouldn’t be projecting an adult mindset onto a child. >


Clearly how to load and fire a gun is dependent on the gun and your environment. 
The child has mental/behavioral issues but they are not a monster. 

Two points: I would want to know how his upbringing contributed to transferring his familiarity with the gun, to shooting his teacher. Secondly at what point do mental/behavioral issues translate to a Parkland School Shooter. Clearly a 6 year old is not a monster, but when I say a “special mindset” we need to address that mindset before it takes hold and becomes intractable. He needs help and dismissing as “only a child” does him no good. If the Parents are punished and he becomes a ward of the state do you think that is the best outcome. >

I didn’t say he doesn’t need help, I don’t think anyone would argue this child shouldn’t receive intensive intervention, that would be absurd. Obviously he has serious issues, but the comment I originally responded to labeled this child as a monster and that type of labeling of a young child is what I disagree with, it’s assigning adult logic and motivation onto a 6 year old brain. >

Child's family needs to lose their child and the child needs to get mental help. >

But they can keep their gun? >

Meanwhile, the governor says the biggest threats to children are a focus on equality in school and marijuana shaped like candy. >

I had a marijuana shaped like a snickers bar. I  ate the whole thing, didn't get high. Turns out it was just a regular snickers bar >

That snickers bar's name?  Albert Einstein. >

That's right, Frank Stallone. >

And then everybody clapped!  Strange but true! >

WTF, revoke their gun licenses, take all their guns and take their kid away immediately.  Put these shitty lying fucked up parents in jail for neglect on several factors. >

Why isn’t the family in jail? >

She was shot by the six year old. I don't think that is in question. Why say "allegedly shot by 6-year-old"? >


Under Virginia law, it’s a misdemeanor if an adult leaves a loaded, unsecured firearm in such a way it could endanger a child under the age of 14

14 and up, though?  Totally legal. >

Possibly written this way because of hunting. Would be difficult to hunt with your teen if they couldn’t hold a loaded gun. >

"allegedly"
I hate that word so much. >

I heard it was a sick ostrich. >

This family has gone DEEP underground. No sign of them at all. >

The child may have a disability, but those parents are responsible for his mindset. There is no way a child high enough to function in a typical classroom NEEDS their parent to accompany them into class daily. That’s all the parents projecting onto him and trying to blame the school for not agreeing to their demands to continue an unhealthy codependency. >

The disability mentioned, is a mental disability. It usually refers to a child/person who is emotionally disturbed. The child needed a family member to accompany him throughout the school day bc he needed 24/7 supervision. The day of the shooting, the adult family member was not there to accompany him. >

Yeah I get that and that is in no way normal even for atypical students. He should have had an aide to accompany him, not a parent. Aides get substitutes, parents do not.  Part of schooling, even for atypical students is about learning independence and how to function to a certain degree on their own. That is not something that can happen if a parent is there to block any challenge. 
If he was such a severe case that he couldn’t function in a normal classroom he should have been in a special needs classroom that could adapt to his behavior and help deescalate potential breakdowns. >


That is not something that can happen if a parent is there to block any challenge.

It's possible the school insisted on it or they jointly agreed it was best, not the parent alone. >

I doubt it, requiring a parent to accompany their child would open them up to a crap ton of lawsuits for not being able to provide adequate care for special needs individuals. >

And, having a parent insist on it and letting them do so would open up problems too. 
I strongly doubt it was something the parent insisted on unilaterally. >

I can see a school doing it under threat of a lawsuit they couldn’t afford, but let’s just say we’ll agree to disagree. >

I mentioned this elsewhere, but I'd bet that it was "secured" in a small keyed lockbox with the key either left in the lock or sitting next to the lockbox.
You could have a gun safe available, but leave it open (or the key inserted) and have no protection at all. >

God this headline is annoying. There is no allegedly about the teacher being shot, or who shot them >

I hope the parents of the kid, and the kid himself face jail time. >

Allegedly...even though a coworker of mine was there when it happened. Can confirm it did indeed go down that way. >

"Sorry we're such pieces of shit." >

lmfao
child's family says gun was secure >

Unsecured firearm at risk of a minor charge should be a felony and come with a prison sentence. No more of this "misdemeanor for actively threatening lives" shit. >

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