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Damn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.
I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be. >

I'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP. >

If it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out. >

A better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention... >

If money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize). >

Why don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap. >

To be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan. >

There isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out. >


Critics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.

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So, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?
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This is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell? >

I hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them. >

If parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans >

Not to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide >

It drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them >

Republicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism. >

They say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.
Fundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else >

More accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom. >

The Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy. >

we keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'
They don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say. >


Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

― Jean-Paul Sartre >

Yup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions. >

anti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes >

Not all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany. >

Yes. "Degenerates" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end. >

Pink Triangle. >

How do you do something like this and still think you are a good person? >

Church people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person. >

A lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission. >

Which is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible. >

The Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think "Oh, it won't hurt ME". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it. >

The majority opposes all of this shit.
The problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level. >

There's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.
If you're not plugged in, nothing is changing. >

What next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system. >

Maybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles. >

Dont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans.. >

Florida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list 
I'm in my "blue" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡 >

And of course... It's only February. >


I didn't even think about that 

🙈😭 lol >

There is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher. >

Unfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables. >

So the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.
The south is absolutely fucked. >

The South is Jim Crow again. >


out LGBTQ students

Are they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?... >


Republicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.  
Galey said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.

That last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like "I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be "limited". >

Plus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.
Were these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats? >

These people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid. >

If it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined >

~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will
skyrocket. >

What the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone. >

In America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit. >

This could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped. >

This unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid. >

Yes they do, they are evil and hateful. >

Wasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay? >

Eric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia. >

The Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop. >

Pretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. 
Every gay student in the south will have to live a total lie.  While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech. >

Alternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide. >

Fortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill. >

Unfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin. >

Unless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected.  
So they still might have it, with some shenanigans. >

Oh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens. >

It was a 9/11 memorial.
There is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins. >

Yeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what. >

These are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era... >

Conservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard. >

Conservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it "therapy". >

I can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids >

I'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest. >

If this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands. >

Sounds like the perfect "I Am Spartacus"  moment for the students. >

I had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go "I am Spartacus," the result is the same. >

I'm  the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them.  This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.
They have lost their fucking minds here. >

Yeah, it's not great. >

The main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time.  The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose. >

People getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?
Why do I feel like this has happened before? >

Oh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets.  Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure. >

Maybe a pink triangle. >

The NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans. >

The GOP* and their voters
FTFY >

This is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading. >


Instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties.    

Taken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity? >

Yes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way. >

First world country my ass. >

My state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down. >

These old men make me very uncomfortable.  As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. 
It creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia. >

It's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights.  It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. 
Our government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses. >

If the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights >

I knew someone was going to come up with that line!
By the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes. >

Can't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb?  This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay.  
What you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay.  
Just dilute the pool with idiotic accusations >

don't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just "come out" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot. >

"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents."
Stop keeping secrets?
Holy shit, this is ridiculous. >

Republicans are perverts. >

It's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0 >

I really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.
The sort of stuff we hear about:  Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.
Every other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.
America certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish. >

Once the student’s “outed” then what? >

It gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.
This is literally going to get kids killed. >

fascist scum >

When will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible? >

Oh what the actual fuck is this
You think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives. >

This is my reality. Millions of my
Countrymen want me dead >

Well.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.
Also, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊 >

Our State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity. >


Our State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.

That’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill.  
Midterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC.  I’m out.  We’re moving in the summer. >

Are they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too? >

Nope, pink triangles. >

The party that is all about "freedom" isn't really into freedom at all. >

The thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation.  'Cis' isn't a gender identity.  it's just 'the natural way things are.'  Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.'  They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence. >

The cruelty is the point. >

I can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy.  These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do. >

Yeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s >

Senator Amy Galey is a truly evil person. >

I'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.
Stand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.
So often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it. >

Plenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other. >

Forcing people to snitch.
Is this the venerated ideal of free speech?
Next up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. "Our secret recipe is abuse!" >

These fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this? >

I think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this. >

Nazis.  The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.” >

This makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick? >

Ridiculous government has no business in this area of our lives. >

This has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. 
Nazi Germany. Obviously. >

The struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. 
Having a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids. >

Fucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans. >

Hey look, it’s raw fascism. >

God damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this. >

Republicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy. >

Short of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, "Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately"? >

Let me guess …. Small government republicans?? >

This is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING >

How would a teacher even have this information. "Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking." Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!? >

They want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents?  That is NOT their call to make!  This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned.  It WILL result in teen suicides.  What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents.  Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms.  I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass.  This makes me so angry.  The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day.  They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health.  It will do no such thing.  It will only harm.  And they know that.  And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil. >

They said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.
It isn't the governments job to parent kids.
Kids have secrets. 
Always will always have.
Especially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them >

One democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused.  The author of this bill's response?

Galey said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.

She pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.
They've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that. >

It is the old "never play defense" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith. >

NC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones "in charge" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?
In 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a "field trip" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.
Honestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be "fixed." >

You know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL. >

Laws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher. >

If I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud. >

Does make like GQPs own Hitler Youth? >

A thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon. >

Republicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago... >

The Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity. >

As a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply. >

Can we start saying genocide yet? >


Democratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.

Wouldn't it then also require them to ban books with "standard" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of "ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality." >

Cool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.
If they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. 
Way too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders. >

Keep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic. >

So is it "just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist" or is it "out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?"
Because lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter. >

Children aren't allowed to have secrets anymore?  What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children. >

In the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection. >

America is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world.  A truly grotesque place. >

I cannot express my loathing for these people. >

Bills like this will kill people. >

“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”
Since when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”? >

Didn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion >

We're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny. >

Outting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this? >

Once again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.