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This is one of those times where if the cops don’t have cameras it has to go against them.
On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation.  

Cops lie so I agree with the critics. >

Cops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care. >

I took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders. >

It wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”. >

These mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway. >

55 in a 54 >

Failure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer.  I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example. >

so... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road? >

The funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say. >

Got pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!!  I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer. >

I wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years. >

Well we got three main options
1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime
2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline
3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns) >

2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind "more of the same" Biden.
Also we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them "Rhinos". >

If Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives >

yes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.
IIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden. >

So Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked.  Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination. >

oh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.
have a nice day then.
it seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.
imagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged. >

That's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking. >

Bernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world. >

He wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he? >

The United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on. >

Let me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh? >

What would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?
You simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.
I don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.
Just like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you. >

What facts? You presented none. 
NO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Stop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.
I wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable
Cop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy >

There is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!
If you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! 
Is that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops? >


There is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!

It's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means >

The shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible >

They say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. 
For some reason, I don't believe that.
Maybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence. >

If he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence? >

The bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. 
Sorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them >

The problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true.  And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag. >

Equally it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault. >

But then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. 
So who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters? >

It's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.
The body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid. >

There's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age. >

These weren't "atlanta cops", they were state troopers.  Different organization. >

No, you're assuming they were state troopers. 
The officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers.  It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.
Not that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers. >

For the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City? >

There is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations. >

Depends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team. >

It's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates. >

I think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one >

Cop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force. >

He was HIT 13 times.  The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more. >

The police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low. >

Police are an occupying army. >

They really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.
Redcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system. >

HAH.
Mate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves. >

Ok genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ? >

Why not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras. >

What is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it? >

Fascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.
Allowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.
See also: "Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves." To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).
See also: Take back the stolen vote.
For more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, "Fuck them all to death."
Don't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows. >

Having an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this. >

I can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite. >

"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation."  🙄 >

At some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law. >

Outside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I. >

Huh?
Cops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying? >

That's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them. >

The Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.
Turns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says "that's not right" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list. >

If you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found. >

Police officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. 
Official say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. 
According to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene
GBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. 
there is no body cam footage of the shooting.
Terán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.
ETA: punctuation and grammar errors >


forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession

Unless new information came out, what they mean by "matched the handgun" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times. >

You're saying that "forensic ballistic analysis" is simply measuring the bullet? >

So much freedom and democracy >

Georgia isn't a big fan of those things. >

yes, ive noticed that >

Not turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. 
Senior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. 
DOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties. >

They said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams. >

There were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet. >

So this is why they lied about it being a "gunfight", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs. >

13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing. >

From what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed? >

Not sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled. >

Jesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist. >

Imagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. 
But they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”. >

This very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic. >

"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper"
If true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction. >

It isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.


Like that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to "was fearing"


Or that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift


Or that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works


Not using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo. >


Not using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)

From their official statement

Bodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies.  The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. 

Certainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams. >

They hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat. >

That sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times >

Depends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed. >

We have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit. >

guy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around….. >

There is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone.  There is really only a decision to start or not.
If there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting. >

There are plenty of times the correct number is zero >


There is really only a decision to start or not.

The decision is what matters.   A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.
And if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter. >

At this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously "not recorded." Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be. >

Any powder residue on his hands?  Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons. >

is shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?
real question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it. >

I accept your apology for assuming. >

as my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police.  your edit means nothing. >

You are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are. >

It would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.
A military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor. >

Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down? >

I think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.
It’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.
And it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.
One of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.
Like the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it. >

So people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people. >

The same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...
Without the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.
They may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields. >

How often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low. >

according to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷‍♀️ >

Would that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. 
If, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified. >

There is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back. >

Ballistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable. >

That's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us. >

That “activist” shot at cops first, right? >

There's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance >

So no body cam footage? >

The cops claim they didn't have any >

He bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.
He probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.
OP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago. >

I wonder how long until the "good apples" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread >

"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as "Tortuguita," was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts."
Sounds like he fucked around, and found out.
Seriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense? >

I know right?  I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision.  I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here. >

The more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable
Edit: believe >

Appreciate you saying “reform”.  Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback… >


Police are reviewing body camera videos, 

The body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do. >

They weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than "the cops turns off their bodycams". >

Oh my bad >

Fascist pigs murder people, story at 10. >

They guy shot a police officer, what does that make him? >


They guy shot a police officer

Says the shady ass police without bodycams. >

So the injured officer who got shot, did it himself? >

"DROP THE KNIFE"
sir its a spoon
"I FEEL THREATENED"
uh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM
just another day in good old USA
another cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason. >

He also shot at cops. No sympathy here >

I must have read a different article.  The one I read said:

Police officials have said Teran, who was known as "Tortuguita," was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. 

If you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass. >

I mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park. >

Surely. 
Bullet wounds may beg to differ. >

Funny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣. >

Activist?  You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper. >

There’s no evidence of that. >

ballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun. >

This is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet "matched" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use). >

Summary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism. >

What happened to lowest nessesary force? >

The guy shot a police officer before the police shot him >

Where's the body cam footage? >

Lol I like how this is the new mental gymnastics. Cop gets shot bullet matches suspects gun. 
You don’t believe the forensic science now????
Science only matter when it benefits you. 
You’re all whiny morons. >

Oh no. I don't take cops word for things and demand evidence after years of lies and cover ups. God forbid I not trust them! u/krakenking94 might piss his pants at the thought! >

Lol but you’ll jump to conclusions at a 10 second video posted here. Ooook big brain time.