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And you base this off of the panic porn on Reddit and the news???
I’m confused because I’ve never met someone in the pro life community that would mirror that statement. So the “We” you refer to must be mistaken, as that’s not part of our movement at all!
I’d rather incentivize mothers to give birth and help them financially and completely for a few years before I’d ever want someone aborted. 
I’ll take that trade in a heartbeat (no pun intended).
This should be done at the EU level!
Everyone needs to have full rights on its own body! >

Good luck not getting vetoed by Poland, at least until their next elections. >

Unfortunately PiS is more then likely going to win again looking surveys but hey let's hope something will change in next few month. >

There is no alternative to vote for. >

The lesser evil >

There is no lesser evil, you either vote for PiS or KE/whatever Tusks party  is called and get your country wrecked.
Holownia is way too fresh to give him any meaningful political power right now. >

That's the point, no matter who you vote for it's gonna end up badly, you just need to choose bettwen two bads. >

If only the us was so advanced. >

You guys need more strikes >

My state (Texas) made it so if my profession (teacher) strikes, that I lose my professional license and my entire pension.
Edit: not saying I don't strike. When there are strikes announced, I'm there. But there are a lot of people who are afraid of the consequences. We need the support of everyone - we are barely a democracy here. >

..how does that even work ?
"I don’t like how things currently are, so I will voice my discontent !"
"Well well well, looks like someone lost kneecaps privileges" >

I’d ultimately prefer unlimited abortion ability over no abortion ability. >

Yeah, but what did France actually pass? >

Nothing (yet, hopefully). The title literally says "to add to the Constitution" which would make it a "stronger" law you can't change unless you change the Constitution.
Right now abortion is legal in France (until 14 weeks) but the Parlement could change the law anytime (honestly it's never happening under this Parlement and probably only if there's a far-right majority one day). If it's in the Constitution, it can't be changed or overturned as easily. >

I’d bet a 12-14 week abortion law would pass in the US. Congress should put it up for a vote >

Could someone familiar with France provide context here?

Suppose the amendment passes. Does France have a strong judicial system that could prevent implementation of an anti-abortion law, if the law had strong support among French voters?
Just reading Wikipedia, it appears that amending the French constitution is easier than in America. In America, you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress, plus 3/4 of the state legislatures to pass an amendment. In France you would need is a simple majority in both house of Parliament, followed by a simple majority in public referenda. Is there anything to stop a future Parliament from re-amending the constitution voters turned against abortion rights?
As of 2023, support for abortion rights is strong in France. It's possible that in the future, public opinion will turn on abortion. So it can make sense, from an abortion rights perspective, to limit the ability of future Parliaments to restrict abortion.But is this idea, that future democracies will not always respect our rights, a popular one in France? In America, we intentionally limited the scope of democracy through things like "Congress shall make no law" amendments. Does France also have an intellectual tradition of distrusting democracy?

I guess what I'm asking is, this the kind of thing that could protect abortion for hundreds of years, the way the American second amendment has protected gun rights for hundreds of years? Or is it more of a symbolic victory, that could easily be overturned if the political winds change? >


Could someone familiar with France provide context here?

The context is that in France the support for abortion is so strong (90% in favor), that adding it to the constitution is completely unnecessary.
It's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets. >

Yes, the first thing about France, is that the immense majority of people are completely in line with the separation of church and state, so any religious nonsense is never ground for debate in French politics.  

It's just a diversion attempt from domestic troubles, but nobody really cares so people are still in the streets.  

Very likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France. >


Very likely, I never heard anyone having a serious stance vs abortion in France.

Marine Le Pen very briefly tried to go against what she called "convenience abortions" but got so much backlash she won't touch it anymore. That should tell you something.
Even Eric Zemmour, arguably the most far-right-conservative-women-bad candidate France has seen in modern times, said he wouldn't dream of attacking this right. >

In the US they had Supreme Court nominees saying that Roe v Wade was the law of the land and a settled matter... right until they were in a position to overturn it. And in France we've had Bolloré trying to peddle some anti-abortion fuckery on TV (that film that made headlines a few years back). So yeah obviously it's not at all a major issue the way it is in the issue but I wouldn't be 100% complacent about it either. >

Can we get that in the U.S., too?
Edit: Who got offended by this question? >

Only if you donate to your area's democratic nominee and vote blue really hard! One of these days we could get a majority in the House and Senate and have a Democrat president, and it still won't fucking happen. >

In fact we did do that and for 2 years it didn’t happen! >

I wouldn't count Manchin and Sinema with Democrats, they prevented the party from doing anything >

Just like how our fanatical fascist types call every Republican who somehow knows better than to support our forty-fifth president a RINO, I would honestly call those two DINOs. >

i don't understand why this still has to be a discussion to begin with. More often than not, it's a bunch of grey conservative man dictating what women can and cannot do with their own bodies. The cases that are based on religious principles are even more pointless. >

I think the point is that they are arguing that it’s not only their body anymore but they’re now carrying someone inside them. I think that a lot of normal people are lost on what the “for” and “against” are arguing for. Does the “for camp” want “abort 1 minute before birth? I don’t think so. Does the against camp want “1 minute after conception”? No, I don’t think so either.
Most people agree with each other that there is some time after which a seed and egg becomes a child. I’m sure there are people on either far side but if we had a clear view on this than maybe this would not be as much of an issue. Also there is the temptation to change the definition and people don’t love living with a possible sliding scale. Today it’s 12 weeks, next month they might change it to 20 weeks or 4 weeks. If it got “set in stone” that all legislation will be declared nullified the moment it was amended then the discussion would likely be much easier I think. >

The French. Always the most progressive. Good stuff. >

If only the rest of the world would join the 21st century. >

Denying life?
What are you talking about?
A life with disabilities or awful disease is a good life or one worth living?
Will these pro-life people take care all their lives for those people with disabilities?
If the answer is no, why don't mind their own business and take care just about their bodies and their lives?
These pro-life people are just pro-bad life or a life in pain. >

Wrong.
Ask any pro-lifer and they will tell you a resounding YES!
We will take them. We will help the mothers and fathers. We will vote for funding to child care and fatherhood/motherhood.
You’d have to actually talk to us to know that though. >

That's bullshit!
Please finish with these jokes!
We know very well that pro-life don't care about anything than just to push their distorted views on others.