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Morning announcements will conclude with a rendition of The Horst Wessel Song.
Excerpt:

Utah high schoolers would be required to learn about the "superiority" of American free markets under new guidelines the state school board is considering this week.
Teachers would have to "explain why free market systems are superior and have made America the most free and prosperous country in the world" under new standards proposed for financial literacy courses.
All students are required to take the class to graduate from public high schools in Utah.
The addition will "make sure … [students] walk away without any question in their mind, regardless of how it might have been presented … that this is the superior system," Cline said.
Utah's financial literacy classes, which the Legislature began requiring in 2007, have drawn scrutiny for outdated advice and occasional forays into non-financial, personal subject matter.

Erin Alberty, 2 Feb. 2023, Axios (Cox Enterprises) >


The addition will "make sure … [students] walk away without any question in their mind, regardless of how it might have been presented … that this is the superior system," Cline said.

Ah, yes. Good. The purpose of schooling is to create nationalists who KNOW their country is the best. As opposed to the ability to think and critique the system they live in so it can be improved. >

I'm surprised they didnt bother writing "...or else" at the end. Why be redundant, right? >


I'm surprised they didnt bother writing "...or else" at the end. Why be redundant, right?

That's the beauty of it, they don't have to... because of the implications. >

But they can say no, right? >

Of course!
but they wouldn't dare. >

…because of the implications. >

... the consequences will never be the same >

Can you imagine the teacher explaining all of this and how great it is. Looking at the students, silently for a minute. Students murmur and the silence is broken by the teacher slamming the textbook onto their desk.
"Fuck this place, I can make more at Costco." >

My wife is a teacher in Utah… and yeah this last month we have legit had conversations about her switching to work at Costco… >

Yeah they pay a decent wage, have ok benefits, and don't treat their employees like complete garbage. So a vast improvement over teaching. >

Yeah, we just lost a child and it was a great way to find out Davis District doesn’t give employees bereavement leave >

Quit. Your family needs you more than Davis District. >

It’s my wife that works for the district and yeah the one thing we’ve decided 100% is this is the last year at Davis >

A man who must proclaim he is king, is no king >

Flawless logic. Apparently the 24/7 corporate owned media, and corporate owned internet, aren’t indoctrinating hard enough on behalf of capitalism, so the “small-gubberment“ “free market” folks are going to use big government to do it for them (on the public dime, ofcourse)!
In the 1960’s the Australian conservative party subsidised home ownership specifically to oppose communism (and ownership rose from ~35% to ~70% in 2 decades), because they understood that citizens who were given fruits for their labor (land ownership and economic wealth/security) would be less likely to oppose capitalism. If capitalist evangelicals actually wanted the population to believe the current system is the best, they’d ensure high living standards for all, and protect citizens from greed. Over the last 50 years they’ve done the exact opposite, because they are greed incarnate. >

"See kids, the reason you'll never be able to afford a house and will die from preventable illnesses is because American Capitalism is Fucking Awesome!" >

I'm from Utah and in our mandatory "Financial Literacy" classes we are taught that we can buy a house in cash by the time we turn 20 as long as we don't buy coffee ever and never use a bank. >

i... i can't tell if you're joking or not. >

Oh I wish I was >

Wheres that pic of the hedgehog screaming at the ground when you need it >

Suuuure, "free" country that locks up more citizens, even per capita, than Russia and China combined. Free to be poor and incarcerated. Or to be one of millions upon millions of felons who can't even get bonded to drive a truck! >

Go on YouTube look up "Newsroom. America Is not the greatest country" listen to it. It's remarkable. >

Will do, probably old news for me tho. But thanks, I'll check it out. >

It's like the current Republicans want to reshape America in the image of Russia in the 90s. >

Tbf Americans have a lot od experience in creating 90s Russian hellscape >

And they may have empowered Putin in the process. >

So capitalism... wants the government... to step in and make mandatory standards... >

Capitalism literally controls our government so yep. >

I'm Canadian, just enjoying the irony from afar >

The Ontario government is currently working with investors to privatize public healthcare and public education, much like they did with highway 407, in the 90’s. 
Social safety nets for the rich. Rugged individualism for the poor.  Capitalist interests are corrupting government services and public spending in Canada, too. >

I know, I'm not claiming that isn't happening here too.  Trust me I point out the issues with the Ford government as well. >

U.S. capitalism: where if you’re willing to exploit your fellow man, you too can be wealthy. >

This has greater irony in Utah, since the giant issue with the Great Salt Lake losing too much water because it's supply is being siphoned off is primarily due to certain people in power exploiting their fellow man for financial gain. >

Not to mention that whole cult running the state government >

In related news, high school graduates from Florida and Utah will no longer be admitted to any out of state colleges. >

Utah is late we’re onto menstrual cycles now >

Something tells me if we give it a few years Utah will become worse than florida >

You can’t have fascism without propaganda. >

So much winning.
Highest Capitalist cost for Healthcare, worst outcomes. >

Tbf it is possible to create a private market for healthcare that actually works. Somehow the US adopted the worst aspects of private insurance with the worst aspects of socialized insurance to give us the mess we have today. Literally if we go in either direction (more socialized or more privatized with regulations) we'd be better off. >

I was developing Physician Billing software when the Health Insurance mega-corps were just starting to form.
They should never have been allowed to own Healthcare Facilities. 
Now they set the customer rates and they set the Physician fees and they set how much they charge themselves for those fees.
Hospitals have to have unnecessary bed checks and tests just to wean enough money from their owners to keep the lights on. >

So its down to Soviet style propaganda? >

You could change the conditions or just make describing reality illegal. >

10/10 >

bot account
edit: banned? :D >

US capitalism is objectively the worst type there is. The entire modern developed world does capitalism better than the US. >


US capitalism

You misspelled kleptocracy. >

End goal of any capitalist. Some ate just held back. I don't see the benefit in allowing it in general >

This is insanity, especially since this isn't even remotely true and is just propaganda. >

I mean... Mormonism is pretty much literally American exceptionalism as a religion. So this is pretty much on brand. >

Yooooo that really is a good way to summarize it 🤔 >

From the wiki page on american exceptionalism:

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) believes that the Americas, including the United States, are a unique place,[26] populated by a chosen people and the native americans are, at least in part, composed of Lamanites[27] and Mormons for a singular destiny, linking the United States to the Biblical promised land in the Book of Mormon, with the Constitution of the United States being divinely inspired. Joseph Smith argued that the millennial New Jerusalem was to be built in America (10th Article of Faith) and reported God as saying "it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another. And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood" (D&C 101:79–80).[28]
Although officially shunned by the LDS Church, fundamentalist Mormons believe in the White Horse Prophecy, which argues that Mormons will be the ones called upon to preserve the Constitution as it hangs "by a thread".[29][30] >

We are turning into North Korea aren't we ? >

If you wanna talk capitalism, then the neatherlands and Switzerland are the best. 
Hell, the Dutch have private Healthcare AND report high satisfaction of it. >

Meanwhile Switzerland has equivalent levels of gun ownership, but with 1/4 of the number of gun deaths (adjusted for population). >

Fascism isn't coming, it's already here... >

Anything coming out of Utah or Florida doesn't even surprise me anymore. Oh and Texas. >

US capitalism is like a snake eating its own tail, any value will be stripped out of companies and society for the few.  
So many great companies have been asset stripped in the name of shareholder value.  
On a societal level it's destructive, infinite growth  and a rewarding environment for the ruthless. >

Guarantee you they can't even accurately describe "free market".
A free market means everybody has all the same information. 
Never happens. >

Which means manor corporations rapidly take influence through brand recognition and economics of scale.
The free market just lets the most abusive cost cutters to rule the roost. >

The Party decides what reality is! >

TRUMP IS THE CURRENT PRESIDENT!!!
/S >

2+2=5 >

5? 5!!??? Ron told me it was FISH!!
YOU LYING SMOBERK. >

Instead of the Pledge of Allegiance are they going to say "Sieg Heil" 3 times every morning with their right palms raised in the air? >

You gotta admit, though. "Sieg heil" is much easier for kids to understand than the pledge of allegiance. 
As far as propaganda goes, Germans knew the trade well >

This is why we have the most expensive least efficient healthcare system on planet earth. We do this idiocy rather than studying how other countries give better care for less money.  Rather than going all in on alt energy because we know that oil and gas run out, our big oil co's double down on propaganda and teach our people to be loyal to them as part of culture wars. Rather than making an effort to keep our worker skills alive we become dependent on third world autocracies to keep our Walmart's and Home depots stocked.  Companies or countries don't stay great on propaganda alone, they need to acknowledge mistakes and do better. >

Can you say why America is the greatest country in the world? >

Wow. I think capitalism as a concept is a great innovation in human history, and Adam Smith wrote a solid, quality, hefty treatise on the subject. 
But let’s be serious here: today’s American version of capitalism is nothing like what Adam Smith wrote, nor anything like what even Teddy Roosevelt or Henry Ford experienced. Monopolies are far too prevalent, competition is not a serious option in many sectors (some of which are quasi cartel in nature) and others are actual Cartels in nature (OPEC). The revolving door of lobbyists, corporate subsidies, and Citizens United “money is speech” has practically legalized corruption and bribery. The disconnect between Wall Street and Main Street is growing bigger by the quarter. 
America is a de facto Oligarchy. A semi benevolent one that does have greater civil liberties and individual freedoms than many other countries, but is it the best one? Is it really for the people or for the big business interests? It is nominally a Representative Democracy, but for whom? Not the average person. Not the middle and lower income people. And those are easily 80% of the populace. 
Let’s talk to Norway, Sweden, Finland, Germany, The Netherlands, New Zealand, even Canada and Australia about this. What about South Korea, Japan, UK, Ireland, France? 
I’m sure I left some off the list. Nowhere is perfect. But the US has some of the worst health outcomes of that list of peer nations, the highest healthcare costs of that list, the highest poor:wealth ratios of that list, the worst statistical income distribution of that list, the highest incarceration rate of that list, and we are quickly eroding our mantle as the leader of civil liberties and individual freedoms. We are fast tracking down a road of legalized corruption, judicial instability, and poor quality of life outcomes. We are imposing laws based on religious text, enforcing morality codes based on religious concepts, criminalizing private behavior, and enforcing laws in a disparate manner, such that the wealthiest can almost purchase their way out of penalty while the poorest are excessively targeted. 
The best? That’s the kind of curriculum countries that know they suck force down the throat of the youth to avoid doing the hard work of making the narrative a reality. They just push the false narrative. 
No child learning that mantra will believe it for long. Lying to our youth to make ourselves feel better is not a solution. Look at Russia. They think Ukraine is attacking them and that “Mother Russia” is the victim of Western aggression. State run propaganda is why.
This kind of policy is another brick in the road to becoming a third rate has-been.  I’m not suggesting America is there yet. But we aren’t slowing down our approach either. We can still turn things around, but not by lying to ourselves. >

Yeah, capitalism sounds great on some level. It gets explained by examples where you're a carpenter, so how are you going to survive by doing carpentry if you have no food? You trade your chairs with the miller for flour and the farmer for eggs and the butcher for meat, and they trade with each other, with money as the medium of exchange, and everyone in the town gets their needs met. Hooray! And in that example, sure, capitalism sounds fine and I have no problem with it.
But somewhere between that and a world where rents are out of control, workers are barely treated as human, working full-time doesn't let you afford basic necessities, millions of people don't have sufficient access to necessary healthcare, and centibillionaires launch themselves to space and dream of owning slave colonies on Mars while the workers in their factories are run off their feet so hard they don't have time to piss and cameras monitor them for every time they stop moving -- we're missing that sense of "that just seems logical and fair and normal" that you have in quaint little Exampleton of medieval tradesmen. 
People keep using silly simplistic models of capitalism to explain why it's great, when what they're really defending is descending rapidly into serfdom. While most other modern capitalist nations have figured out a way to make life pretty respectably decent for most people, the US just chants "Free Market Capitalism! YAY!" while most of us stare down a bleak future of dehumanizing work life, unaffordable necessities, and no chance to secure a future, but we're constantly assured that we're super duper free because capitalism is the best and American capitalism is the most bestest capitalism of all. >


But somewhere between that and a world where rents are out of control

Adam Smith wrote a bit on that, too!
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People like to simply Smith down to a 1-dimensional person, which is rather silly considering how he was a philosopher and those people spend 90% of their time doing nothing but thinking. He wrote about how the free-market can lead to economic prosperity - which it totally can - but also wrote about how it.....also couldn't.
He talks about the invisible hand.....but only when an individual is attempting to make the greatest amount of value possible (for their own gain). The individual is not intending to improve the public good, but in attempting to make the greatest amount of product, does so anyway.
^(Keep in mind that Adam didn't know what a 'Climate change' is. Environmental destruction was simply not something he accounted for when he designed his economic ideal. This, of course, changes the entire model when the public costs become something that cannot be ignored, when they could be before.)
The problem is that the modern business isn't trying to make the greatest amount of value possible, they're just appeasing their property-owners' stock prices (which are largely controlled by computers and have their own departments, have fun sorting that out.). And as we know, stock prices are practically imaginary and that 'value' can disappear overnight if the holders get spooked. Hell, I'm pretty sure there wasn't a large stock market crash yet to put things in perspective.
He also didn't have the hindsight of the effects of private monopolies (the first anti-trust law in the US, for example, was introduced in 1890).
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His work is horribly outdated due to the era he was born in. He'd probably be kicking himself right now if he had modern knowledge of economics. >

Thanks for providing a nuanced view. I'm sick of people who hear one thing about the "Invisible Hand" and how free markets are the best thing ever and it's true because some guy a couple hundred years ago said it, and then get sarcastic about how anyone proposing any form of market regulation or complaining about the injustices of modern capitalism "doesn't understand basic economics." >

If capitalism is such a superior economic model, why do they need this? >

worshiping money is weird >

The god of greed Mammon, would disagree. >

We really do have a no-shit creeping fascism problem here … >

O uO Is real illegal now? Yay! >

24y/o who grew up in Utah here: that’s how it already was for me. There was never a conversation in K-12 about economics or foreign affairs that didn’t end in how superior USA capitalism is and how we’re so lucky to live in the best country.
It’s possible that things have drifted away from what I experienced and this is a push to cement that type of indoctrination rather than rely on the general consensus and ideology of the generation of teachers. >

21y/o Utahn here and I experienced the same BS. My dad is a high school teacher and from what I've heard it seems like it's only gotten worse. Especially as some older teachers are being radicalized to the far-right more and more by the day. Definitely feels like this policy is just trying to crack down on the few remaining teachers still willing to be critical of the status quo. >

I learned this in public school in california. I had a super conservative Gov/Econ teacher with Reagan posters all over the walls who showed us PragerU videos in class and told us his goal was to turn us all into republicans ("jokingly," of course). I'm surprised that this curriculum is surprising to people, and not something already widely experienced. >

So they're actually discouraging free thinking... >

School in the US is designed to do just that. Sit down, shut up, do what you're told without question, don't refuse to attend or your family will be punished, raise your hand if you need to attend to basic biological needs, etc. >

Not all schools. 
Mine didn't. But it really depends on the state and the area within that state. >

And students must promise to never travel, never learn about other cultures and how other countries operate. >

Soon you will have to call it the “Education” System, it’s like how Fox News isnt news and crab sticks don’t have crab in them. >

Don't worry comrade, the Department of Education is taking care of it. >

I think you mean the Department of "Education" >

Thats literally indoctrination. Fuck man, US is turning into China >

“Corporations are people.” Yeah, rulings have consequences. >

that's not a tenant of capitalism That's just a nonsense extremist supreme Court reacting to a broken system and a Congress that continually fails to do its job. >

This has got to be the worst format for a news article I've ever had the displeasure of being presented with. >

Lol never a state that's doing well in education >

The instant they force teachers to teach this curriculum, the kids will just turn on capitalism even harder. >

“Free market” lol, sure >

The right doesn’t want critical thinking skills being taught. >

Kind of fascinating, watching the US slowly sliding down the slippery slope towards totalitarianism. >

‘Looks around’ is everyone seeing what I’m seeing? Cause this sh!t is getting crazy. How is this happening and it feels like no one is stopping it. >

The irony if these students are simultaneously learning about nationalistic propaganda in their world history class. >

Indoctrination not information, can’t have people thinking on their own. I am sure this a fundamental tenet of fascism. >

Required? Shit, my high school teachers already did this in IL. No requirements needed. Just good ol’ fashioned myopic jingoism. Midwest, yeehaw! 96% white population, indian mascot with the motto of “Indian, and proud.” >

“So in conclusion, you have to work at Walmart the next 60 years and live with 2 other people in a shirts apartment to not be homeless and die.” >


superior US capitalism

Is this some other kind of capitalism that we haven’t experienced yet? When does that start because I’m hoping to be able to retire one day and the current version of capitalism is trying not to let that happen. >

Great job voting in 2016, America. You happy? >

This is almost at the level of Xi Jinping's China. Not a good development. >

Wow, you guys are checking the boxes of fascism 101 alarmingly fast. >

So, um, about China being bad ...
Welcome to America, where you're more indoctrinated than North Korea. > >

This is the indoctrination everyone keeps talking about. >

What else is new?  I was forced to sit through a course called “Americanism vs. Communism” in  high school in the 1970’s.  It was gawdawful.  Communism is a theoretical economic system.  “Americanism” is just what, exactly?  Anything the propagandist decides it is. >

Same here in the 80's and 90's. >

"Americans are the most propagandized people on Earth" >

Scroll about halfway down and you'll see from the full list that the US is at 15, just one below the UK. So not terrible but could be better. >

Number 15 isn't number 1. >

Youre the only one bleating about that. >

I'm sorry that reality upsets you. >

Cry some more. >

Does this ever work? It's not going to work with me but I wonder if it ever works for you with other people or if they just laugh at you like I am. >

It's so superior that we have record numbers of homeless people living on the street and people can't afford groceries or medical care. >

Mandatory patriotic education, something that only exists in the most free and prosperous countries on earth. >

If you have to brainwash someone to believe something is true, it's false. >

wow this state sucks >

Unsustainable dystopian poverty shithole lmao.
Capitalism needs mandatory forced propaganda to indoctrinate kids? Wait, I thought the U.S hates the dictatorship countries that have mandatory indoctrination propaganda in schools?
Sounds like "free market capitalism" is scared of the competition of other ideas and is getting frustrated with young people turning against dystopian poverty bullshit. >

Capitalism is only good for predators.  So they are going to lie to children.  Capitalism is so badly in its late stage that I doubt the children will believe once they hit adulthood. >

Conservatards need to brainwash the kids in order for their ideology to survive. >

Yeah no >

This was taught all the time in school when I was a kid.  Different time, for sure, and it wasn't a government edict. >

Exactly what I was thinking. It’s an attempt to go back to the 1950’s when these things were just known, by white people of course. >

Bingo! Personally, I'm grateful I was raised with people who don't look like me. The alternative seems to be growing up scared and gullible >

Utah already has the most likely to be scammed population. This will help keep them on top. >

Sorry isn’t that literally indoctrination?? >

Funny how the most profitable industries in "capitalism" tend to be massively subsidized or bailed out by the government. >

Ah yes the superiority of American capitalism where people have to ration their insulin and decide if they should go to the hospital or not (with insurance) because of how high their deductible is. >

"There's no war in Ba Sing Se" >

Yikes >

I was in HS in NJ in the 1970’s. 
In year two or three, the curriculum was CES CPS, comparative economic then political systems. 
It was propaganda comparing the ills of socialism to the great benefits of capitalism. 
We were taught that people had to wait on long lines to buy goods, toilet paper was one example. We were taught people would join a line, if the came upon one, because it meant something they probably needed was finally available for sale. 
It came back to me because of the tp shortages during the pandemic. 
Teaching stuff like this is not at all new. >

Yikes >

Irony: If you don't want to go to public school where you're forced to learn about the wonders of capitalism, you can go to private school, displaying that you've already won at capitalism. >

You have the freedom of speech to speech the speech we tell you to speech. >

You spelt propaganda wrong >

Sounds like indoctrination to me. >

This is compelled government speech and certainly crosses a line. >

So, basically they are going to be taught lies. Unitedstatian view on market is anything but free. >

They're getting nervous. >

The Madlib is telling.
Pyongyang high schoolers would be required to learn about the "superiority" of North Korean centralized markets under new guidelines the state school board is considering this week.
Teachers would have to "explain why Kim family market systems are superior and have made the Democratic People's Republic of Korea the most free and prosperous country in the world" under new standards proposed for financial literacy courses.
All students are required to take the class to graduate from public high schools in Pyongyang.
The addition will "make sure … [students] walk away without any question in their mind, regardless of how it might have been presented … that this is the superior system," Kim Jong Un said.
North Korea's financial literacy classes, which the Legislature began requiring in 2007, have drawn scrutiny for outdated advice and occasional forays into non-financial, personal subject matter in purchasing outdated T-55 tanks. >

"and here, students, we have the largest percent and number of prisoners in the whole world. Most of them are only a danger to themselves, but we lock them up because it's profitable. Our prisons are privately owned so rich people make money when you go to jail. That has no conflict of interest at all with the fact rich people also make rules. We are currently considering letting prisoners sell their organs for reduced sentence, because of how free we are" >

I'd love to see what Utah state history teaches the kids about the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Critical Mormon Theory >

Magical Thinking. >

What in the North Korea… >

How is this different from normal US education? >

Or any country, for that matter.  It took nearly 100 years before students in Belgium ever learned about the atrocities of King Leopold II, and it's only been about 50 years that American students are finally hearing the truth about Columbus. 
Certain facets of education are simply propaganda.  That's why CRT has become such a controversial topic. >

Yeah, because the USA is doing so well. >

Everyday I feel America is about to slip into totalitarianism and reenact all the dystopian novels conservatives think they read. >

There is no faster way to turn the youth against capitalism tbh might as well give it a go full DARE style >

America is so, so desperate for compliant slaves that they'll go even further in indoctrinating children than they already do. >

What a shithole of a state. >

The government forcibly brainwashing people to believe they are free. 
The irony, it burns… >

Whatever.  Kazakh potassium is best potassium. >

The politburo are really working overtime >

That's not teaching, that's indoctrination. >

Mike judge is a prophet >

I expect that from a country that has no want of improving things and just keeping everything the same. >

Capitalism…a destroyer of civilizations as money is the God with (as usual) NO MERCY! >

Noooo kids it’s not depressing that you can’t afford your insulin, it’s GREAT! You are giving an greedy fuck head CEO his THIRD house! Wow! >

Moving forward there need to be a lot of dis-accreditation of fake crazy religious schools. >

There go the groomers right there >

Capitalism will destroy humanity by eliminating the ecosystems humanity depends upon >

I hate to say this, but "superior" capitalism in the US literally translates into white Christo fascist. Who thought otherwise? >

D.A.R.E. but for communism >

I don't think you know what communism is... >

this sounds like when China was governed  by Mao and the children were required to praise Chinese economics. >

Oh, great. More idiots to deal with. >

This must be the democrats indoctrinating our youth that I’ve heard so much about, right? Right? >

By no means do we actually have capitalism and we definitely don't have free markets. We have Corporate Socialism and an Oligarchy. Take a look at every major industry and how they're subsidized/backed by the government and federal reserve:

Banks
Financial institutions and hedge funds
Utilities (state sponsored monopolies in most instances)
Food / Agriculture
Oil Companies
Big pharma, insurance, healthcare in general
Defense contractors 

Plus we have 20,000 lobbyists parked just blocks from the DC Capitol and statehouses all across the US (legalized bribery and corruption), raking in favors and goodies from the government. Not to mention $6T in failed foreign wars of adventure in the mideast. >

These are all an inevitable outcome of capitalism. Calling "corporate socialism" is both inaccurate (because socialism is not when the government subsidizes something) and hides the fact that what the US is experiencing is inherent to it's economic system. It's not a bug, it's a feature. >

Good point.
Either way, if this curriculum spreads to some of these deep red areas across the country, it's going to be interesting explaining the wonders of capitalism to these folks, as their communities are run down and poor, with decrepit infrastructure, with a myriad of drug and health problems, reliance on blue states, unaffordable higher ed, plus as their parents/grandparents and their own social security/medicare get cut, and grandpa and grandma have to move in because they can no longer afford to live alone.
Though I'm sure said curriculum will blame LGBTQ, immigrants, and/or Democrats for all that. >

Ya no, you haven’t seen Airbnb markets in heavily democrat states that are far worse like ca >

Makes sense, white supremacists are piles of shit, so superior must be a metaphor for shit. >

This sounds like a vary glorious people's republic move to set the stage for reeducation camps and overseas police departments to harass the glorious state's abroad citizens that speak ill of the people's party. >

Utter absurdity >

Mormons are soaking in celebration. >

😆 >

The white nationalism, superiority, capitalism crap is terrifying. What about humanity and working together to promote a decent, civil society in which everyone has the opportunity to thrive? >

It's giving FREEDOM FRIES >

Yes pulling a communist russia >

That is not education, it’s indoctrination >

I remember learning that capitalism was better than communism in NY high school. Didnt know this wasnt normal. >

Well, do you know what communism actually is? >

Keep electing GOP and we’ll have the fuckin Christian Taliban in charge >


explain why free market systems are superior and have made America the most free and prosperous country in the world

XD
What is this? The 1950's? Who even believes that crap anymore aside from far-right neo-fascists, and even then it's only their base that believes it. >

Totalitarian bullshit. 
And they whine like little bitches when they get banned from a Reddit sub. Today’s American “conservatives” are the greatest crybabies in history. >

Hitler youth.  It’s bad enough they have to say the pledge everyday. >

Hmm. So just lie all the time. Got it. >

Don't get how this is any different than the k-12 propaganda I received decades ago.  A person leaves the public education system in the USA completely gas lit into think that capitalism is the best economic system for all and that if you work hard you will have plenty lol.
They really gloss over the atrocities committed against the native Americans and forget to mention that while the constitution enshrines freedom of religion.... the American gov't made it illegal for indigenous people to practice their religion. >

Experiencing crushing debt is indeed superior u.s. capitalism..
I bet in 10 years time the native language will be Mandarin. >

You do understand that's not how national debt works? The debt owners don't just get to come in with a club and either take back the whole loan or take your kneecaps. Maybe educate yourself a bit, instead of just parroting whatever Fox tells you to say. >

Every student should do one year abroad in China. Then they would realize we are basically Communist China wrapped in democracy. When I taught at school there it felt like I was right back in high school--the national anthem, the pledges (though not every day), the teachings of their superior system. It's amazing how similar we are.
The downvotes basically prove my point, frankly. >

Hmm. I did wonder about that. I've been wanting to visit >

So they’d learn about the US’s superior free market but not how China still has the highest GDP on the planet? >

Look into China’s faked/unproven data regarding GDP. Ghost cities. Tanked investments in Africa and Central and South America. Population decline strict immigration policy and massive real estate and banking issues. They hit the peak of their “industrial revolution” a while ago. They’re kinda fucked without massive corse correction. 
Many economists believe it’s all smoke and mirrors… much like the USSR. >

While i agree with you on the majority of what you said, I wouldn't necessarily call the Belt And Road initiative a failure. A lot of the ports that China built for these countries got repossessed when the loan payments stopped coming in, so now China got to build a bunch of state owned ports to extend their military influence. >

Hey it's Utah, they already tour superior American Jesus >

You either die as America, or live long enough to become China. >

The difference between America and China is the businesses in China work for the government, and in America the government works for the businesses. >

The question then becomes, what is worse? >

Besides the cyclical nature of Financial Panics,  capitalism is fantastic!
If you teach kids the economic history of the US, they'll sse that capital accumulation is a cornerstone of economic growth, but that the system is hardly predictable or stable over the medium run. They shouldn't come out seeing capitalism as superior, per se, but really the best we can do. >

Unregulated capitalism is definitely not the best we can do 
A completely "free" market is feudalism with extra steps >

Sure, I'll bite.  What's a better system and how do we get there?  Genuine question here, but I am expecting a comprehensive answer. >

I think capitalism could be perfectly fine I we removed the most predatory aspects of it, and made an effort to remember that these systems should work to improve the life of everyone, not the ones at the top 
I think if there was a little less incentive in short gain and accumulating wealth and more to spend money where it would improve lives, it would be great >

You're got some good points.  Focusing on improving the system instead of throwing it out completely for an untried or objectively worse system is wise.
I'm more of a cynic.  It is incredibly difficult to create a system that does not allow concentration of wealth in the hands of a few.  Generally, humans are corruptible and will look out for their own interests before those of others.  Even the checks and balances of the US Constitution have proven ineffective after being lauded as the best practice for separating the powers of government. >

Yeah, thats why governments that regulate their economy or offer a lot safety nets are my preference
Me personally, I care about a few having a lot when there are a lot of people with very few >

My dad was obsessed with Glenn Beck. I remember reading his book on capitalism back in the day, and ya know in theory it makes sense...... if pay rose with inflation and if they created laws to illegalize offshoring and outsourcing.
The problem isn't capitalism itself, the problem is corruption. >

This is not a form of brainwashing. >

Aren’t there a lot of metrics where America isn’t numbers one? Is it possible the book publishers benefit immensely from capitalism and have a selfish motive for maintaining the status quo? >

Kids: leave school now. You are being indoctrinated. Go play outside, learn the names of the trees, and the wildflowers, and listen to the birds. >

While wearing Magic Underwear >

We should appreciate the fact that kids in Utah public schools are at least learning personal finance before second semester senior year, if that >

I’m so glad I’m a Beta. Alphas have to think too much, and Gammas have to work too hard.  I’m so glad I’m a Beta. Our clothes are prettier than ugly Gamma clothes…. >

What in the fuck kind of country are we living in? >

Oh please. Just fucking no. >

These comments….yowza >

This would be so bad. School curriculum in the US is already bad enough sometimes. There is such a biased view in what is taught, and a lot of the bad is left out. We aren't taught in school about how settlers murdered and raped the natives, then took their land for their own. There's plenty of other stuff but that comes to mind first, because the colonists literally wiped out entire civilizations. >

US capitalism superior? 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂 >

Ya'll in need of a cleansing. >

The United States is the country with the highest immigration rate. It has nowhere near the highest emigration.
People like to trash America, but they keep forgetting that there are reasons why a lot of people want to live there. My wife is still interested in living there one day, and she particularly likes the idea of living in California.
I don't particularly like California, but I don't mind some of the other states, especially places with lower cost of living.
A lot of Americans lack the self-awareness to recognize the privilege of being born, raised, or being a citizen of a 1st world country, let alone the country with the highest immigration rate and the highest demand for immigration. Privilege is invisible to those who have it, and they must be taught that they have privilege. >

Just teach history like any sane, educated adult would do and it is obvious that capitalism of some shape/form is the superior system compared to various failed or less successful governments in history.
too bad mormons dont understand that concept, and for them learning == indoctrination. >

Are you really so narrow-minded that you can grasp that your subjective feelings aren’t absolute truth and shouldn’t be treated as such? How about we teach kids to think for themselves and allow them to come to whatever conclusion they want? You’re talking about “learning” a subjective opinion treated as objective truth, i.e. indoctrination. “Teaching history like any sane, educated adult” entails the teaching of historical facts, not one’s opinions about them or the dictation of their normative implications. Again, it really seems as if you struggle to distinguish the subjective from the objective, which is something you’re supposed to have been taught in grade school. Maybe your teachers were too busy teaching you that your society is objectively the best ever in every single way for you to have learned reason. What you’re describing is not the teaching of history >

Capitalism is great. With the right checks and balances…
Oh wait, fuck. That’s impossible in the US.
On another note…
Communism can be great, if implemented correctly where the people in charge/with power find a way where there’s no corruption. >

capitalism is the best system.
It just so happens that we've gone down this laissez-faire Reaganomics trash compactor for the last 40 years.
The system requires regulation, maintenance and strong labor unions.
edit: 
somebody name a country that didn't embrace a version of capitalism that isn't a complete dumpster fire. >

That "isn't a complete dumpster fire"? The USSR. I'm no tankie, I'm literally a capitalist, but they figured things out that we're still struggling with today. Public transport, mandated vacations, reproductive rights, universal education and healthcare (but the latter did face shortages), among other things. Not to mention they turned a mostly-agrarian society into an industrialized nation in a few years. >

You are absolutely out of your mind. The ussr was the biggest dumpster fire of all. They literally sent their farmers to Siberia and millions died of starvation. >

Reddit has turned into a joke. So many lefty bots. >

That’s funny cuz lefties I saw bitching last week
That Reddit was conservative >

That’s a joke. Reddit is an echo chamber. >

It's beginning to sound a lot like communism. >

No, the problem I have is with people who think that is wrong for schools to promote capitalism. Capitalism is how we have become the wealthiest nation, a nation with a standard of living that has gotten better each year for almost all people. Yet vast numbers of self-professed 'poor' people are actually quite obese and have cell phones and A/C.
There's a reason that people from socialist countries want nothing more than to immigrate to America. Why, then, are all the insufferable, anti-capitalist people born in this country sticking around, if it's so evil and awful here? Just leave. >

Maybe they dont want to leave, but help to improve the country? 
Apart from that, I doubt that the people that complain about the economy have enough funds to start again in another country >

I understand your point about the lack of funds to start again, that would be easier said than done. Good point. But I question if their motive is to help with their casual indifference of casting aside capitalism as our founding economic system. >

Considering this is the Internet, there is a good chance a lot of people really like to complain without consequence 
Its also easy to blame "the system" when you feel the ods are stacked against you.
A last posibility is that when people criticise capitalism they want to correct their flaws, not necesarily change the entire system 
To a lot of people, the economic system they were born in doesnt matter a lot if they dont feel like its benefiting them acordingly >

After perusing these comments, I have yet to read one that describes capitalism in any positive, substantive manner. Yes, compared to utopia capitalism falls short, as everything falls short compared to utopia. 
This anti-American, anti-capitalism sentiment is disgusting and indicative of the ingratitude and ignorance of many people in this comment section, like a wood rot from the inside out. Our school system should not actively teach kids to hate our country and despise capitalism!
Most of these comments seem to be from spoiled, ungrateful children that have never left their city or state, let alone country, whining on incessantly about how their parents are, like, the worst-est EVER! >

I'm anti-capitalist because the only thing capitalism has done in my lifetime is tank the economy 3 times, completely fuck my dads retirement funds, and make it impossible for any of my peers to buy a house. Have you considered that, perhaps, there is a reason people are disgusted with capitalism? >

So....that's a glaringly deceptive headline. I figured it was reddit doing reddit things but that's the headline of the article.
Let's break it down:
By "America" they mean "The United States" specifically.
>Teachers would have to "explain why free market systems are superior...
Ok fair enough. That sounds easy.
>...and have made America the most free and prosperous country in the world"
Hold on now. The US is FAAAAR from a Free Market. The Government interferes at every possible opportunity, trying to set price ceilings and floors, and on top of that, the US citizens are begging for EVEN MORE interference. So the claim is ridiculous on its face. The US is neither of those things. 
>Of note: Many economists say that America is not truly a "free market" economy, pointing to limits created both by government regulation and corporate monopolies.
Basically this. \^
They're essentially being as wrong in one direction as reddit is routinely wrong in the other direction. >

What you call 'not real capitalism' is simply how capitalism operates in the objective sense. There really is no other way it can go. >

Truly free market is to economists as frictionless sphere in a vacuum is to Physicists. >

Lol, my school did that by choice >

"Could be" very mysterious! >

Ah yes, I will now force you to use my free market. >

pls, usa public schools are already heavily conducted under propaganda... >

We already are kind of here in Georgia. Part of the economic standards of every unit I teach requires you to cover only the “BENEFITS” of capitalism and the “DEFICITS” of the other types of economies. It isn’t like blatantly “capitalism good all others bad” but it might as well be. >

supreme leader would be proud