[ 84 ] see the following webpages : < http : //www.wordsculptor.net/content/archives/2003_10_01_archive.php > , < http : //groups.yahoo.com/group/dracodebates/message/4058 > , < http : //groups.yahoo.com/group/dracodebates/message/1798 > , < http : //groups.yahoo.com/group/dracodebates/message/1589 > , < http : //groups.yahoo.com/group/dracodebates/message/5432 > , < http : //groups.yahoo.com/group/dracodebates/message/1157 > ( all accessed november 11 , 2011 ) .