[ 43 ] see glen kealey , talkshoe podcast , january 10 , 2009 , < http : //recordings.talkshoe.com/tc-41583/ts-198357.mp3 > as well as a talkshoe podcast of march 15 , 2009 ( http : //recordings.talkshoe.com/tc-83957/ts-401070.mp3 ) .