[ 98 ] see glen kealey , talkshoe podcast , may 20 , 2009 , http : //recordings.talkshoe.com/tc-41583/ts-228909.mp3 and also talkshoe podcasts from march 22 , 2009 ( http : //recordings.talkshoe.com/tc-41583/ts-205805.mp3 ) and october 25 , 2009 ( http : //recordings.talkshoe.com/tc-41583/ts-284711.mp3 ) .