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The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled in favor of Samsung in its longstanding smartphone design lawsuit with Apple, reversing a $399 million damages judgment awarded to Apple by a lower court. The case will now return to the U.S. Court of Appeals for further proceedings.
Supreme Court judges unanimously decided they do not have enough info to say whether damages paid to Apple should be based on the total device, or rather individual components like the front bezel or the screen. It urged the U.S. Court of Appeals to reconsider the $399 million penalty Samsung paid in 2012.
Absent adequate briefing by the parties, this Court declines to resolve whether the relevant article of manufacture for each design patent at issue here is the smartphone or a particular smartphone component. Doing so is not necessary to resolve the question presented, and the Federal Circuit may address any remaining issues on remand.
The lawsuit dates back to 2011, when Apple successfully sued Samsung for infringing upon the iPhone's patented design, including its rectangular front face with rounded edges and grid of colorful icons on a black screen. Apple's damages were awarded based on Samsung's entire profit from the sale of its infringing smartphones.
Calvin Klein, Dieter Rams, Norman Foster, and over 100 other top designers backed Apple in August, arguing the iPhone maker is entitled to all profits Samsung has earned from infringing designs. They cited a 1949 study showing more than 99% of Americans could identify a bottle of Coca-Cola by shape alone.
Update: Apple has provided a statement on the ruling to TechCrunch, stating that the company will continue to protect the work that's gone into the iPhone's design.
The question before the Supreme Court was how to calculate the amount Samsung should pay for their copying. Our case has always been about Samsung's blatant copying of our ideas, and that was never in dispute. We will continue to protect the years of hard work that has made iPhone the world's most innovative and beloved product. We remain optimistic that the lower courts will again send a powerful signal that stealing isn't right.
All these companies copy each other and there should be some patent rules to reward innovation and competition.
SeanR1, Cameroncafe10a, trifid and 3 others like this.
The judges went the Apple way: they made the reward thinner.
macfacts, jaymie1983, kstotlani and 53 others like this.
and the hits just keep coming for Apple.
wolfaaron, Avieshek and mkeeley like this.
I have never seen so much negative publicity for Apple in a year. Yea Tim Cook, I'm blaming this on you.
I'm sure Tim can't wait for 2016 to be over. I can't wait for him to be gone.
chrispl0, blackberrycubed, wolfaaron and 16 others like this.
Good, now the court should also rule that Apple must design proper Macs again or face a fine of $399M for every Mac product they abandon.
chrispl0, OLDCODGER, wolfaaron and 12 others like this.
bpcookson, HenryDJP, jayducharme and 2 others like this.
Big win for Samsung and intellectual freedom.
Big win for those who enjoy stealing other's hard work.
secretbum, macs4nw, aussiephil and 20 others like this.
you know I've been sitting here looking at this screen to complete this joke but I just can't, maybe its too early, maybe the coffee hasn't kicked in....i dunno. Well sorry you've been reading this and wasting your time...Ill try better next time.
They patented a touch screen rectangle though, I mean come on.
RuralJuror, sideshowuniqueuser, blipper and 25 others like this.
I like Samsung's strategy of destroying their entire business to get sympathy with the supreme court.
In all seriousness though, why is this still ongoing? Our legal system is fundamentally broken. Everything from patents to putting rapists in jail for a month and potheads in jail for years.
bpcookson, Avieshek, ArtOfWarfare and 2 others like this.
Great news! Current patent system is horrible.
SeanR1, Wowereit, tuxon86 and 4 others like this.
Avieshek, AleRod, morcutt11 and 1 other person like this.
Avalontor, chrispl0, RuralJuror and 18 others like this.
The Supreme Court hates patents, and Congress is too dysfunctional to fix the law.
Greatest artist makes great artist work, kills him, showcases the job as own's.
Since Apple probably won't earn money from this lawsuit, it might now start focusing on making it's products properly again.
chrispl0, blipper, SeanR1 and 5 others like this.
wow 8-0 decision? in overall avg there aren't many case in the history of supreme court has an all in favor of one party. 99 percent of the cases has a decision around 5-4 but damn 8-0?
Avalontor, SeanR1, Rafterman and 8 others like this.
Headline should make it more clear that this doesn't mean no fault on Samsung and no compensation for Apple.
axcess99, Glideslope and Dainin like this.
Shortsighted. I have repeatedly said this is a win for Samsung but a much, much bigger win for Apple and the tech industry in general. In a previous thread, I posited that if Apple hadn't been party to this lawsuit, they would have filed an amicus brief in support of Samsung in this case; just like most of the tech world did. I still believe it.
This ruling hurts patent trolls who were looking for outsized awards against big companies like Apple. It makes the prospect of suing for large paydays less likely and less attractive. I look at it as if Apple lost a battle, but Apple and the entire tech industry won a war.
edit: seems MR updated the article with more relevant info. Full device vs. component damages is still open somewhat. SCOTUS determined the lower court did not interpret the relevant law correctly.
My point remains. Apple should want to lose this case. It's better for them in the long run.
RuralJuror, SeanR1, kdarling and 5 others like this.
If you're stealing ideas from Apple, is the result innovative?
wow 8-0 decision? i don't think any case in the history of supreme court has an all in favor of one party. 99 percent of the cases has a decision around 5-4 but damn 8-0?
Forgive me if I'm missing the sarcasm. But, in case you are serious, 8-0 (9-0) decisions happen often enough.
blipper, ZZ9pluralZalpha, zin and 7 others like this.
Lol you made a troll account... that's pretty sad.
I'm not trolling. Let's be able to differentiate criticizing from trolling.
I'm very upset with Tim Cook for steadily damaging the company Steve Jobs built.
Avalontor, chrispl0, sideshowuniqueuser and 16 others like this.
Ignoring this ruling completely. America's court system is a complete joke.