Stalin's just wars
Servicemen of the 150th Idritsa Rifle Division against the background of their assault flag hoisted on May 1, 1945 over the Reichstag building in Berlin and later became a state relic of Russia - the Victory Banner
Soviet Russia fought a lot, no less than tsarist Russia. However, Stalin's wars were just - in the interests of Soviet (Russian) civilization and the people.
Spanish campaign
The Stalinist USSR fought a lot. In 1936-1939. - the war in Spain, where we supported the Spanish Republic. At the same time, Soviet military specialists and pilots are fighting in China, supporting Marshal Chiang Kai-shek against Japanese troops. In 1938-1939. - battles against the Japanese at Khasan and Khalkhin Gol. In scope and essence of the matter, it was actually the second Russo-Japanese war.
The war in Spain, on the one hand, was useful to us. Moscow, helping the Spanish Republic, diverted the attention and forces of fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. In Spain, many Soviet military specialists, pilots and tankers were tested by fire. On the other hand, Russia-USSR was drawn into this war by Trotsky's followers, fiery internationalist revolutionaries who dreamed of the "fire of the world revolution." This war allowed the West to present Russians as "aggressors dreaming of revolution." This war embroiled Moscow with Berlin, although at that time there were chances to preserve peace between us, to build an axis between Russia and Germany, which was never created before the First World War.
Revolutionary internationalists at this time still retained strong positions in the army and the People's Commissariat of Foreign Affairs of the USSR. The "Great Purge" has not yet been carried out. Stalin's main focus at this time was the construction of a powerful industry. Maxim Litvinov (née Meer-Genokh Moiseevich Wallah), who headed the NKID, was the main supporter of a collective security system that would unite the Soviet Union and Western democracies. He tried his best to make friends with France and the United States, although their "friendship" was not beneficial. He quarreled with Germany, our main commercial and industrial partner in Europe.
As a result, we climbed into Spain. They began to fight with the Spanish nationalists Franco, the Italian fascists and the Germans. However, Moscow did not control the republican government. This led to confusion and vacillation in the ranks of the republic's supporters, to anarchy and revolts of the Trotskyists. In addition, the USSR did not have a common border with Spain and could not provide large-scale assistance. Franco's regime took over. We got another hostile country, and the Spaniards fought on the side of Hitler during the Great Patriotic War. It would be better if the expended forces and resources were used in China to fight the Japanese. We didn't spoil our relations with Berlin.
Stalin realized that "fiery revolutionaries" were dragging Russia into adventures. Litvinov was dismissed in 1939. Moscow's foreign policy has changed dramatically. We began to fight openly for our interests. The Finnish campaign was certainly correct, in the national interest. Later, Stalin was accused of "aggression" against the small but proud republic. Like, it was the unprovoked aggression of the USSR. The Russians attacked the Finns, but were rebuffed.
However, in reality, the situation was different. After the collapse of the Russian Empire, a Finnish state was created on our northwestern border, which laid claim to Russian lands. The Finnish elite wanted to seize Karelia and the Kola Peninsula, land to Leningrad, Arkhangelsk and Vologda. Finnish nationalists made plans to create a "Great Finland" to the Northern Urals and even further. The Finns themselves attacked Soviet Russia twice: in 1918 and 1921. In Helsinki, they focused on our enemies from the west: Germany, France and England, from the east - Japan. It was planned that when a strong enemy from the west or east comes up against Russia, they will be able to seize Russian lands. At least Karelia and the Kola Peninsula.
After the catastrophe of 1917, Russia lost its strategically important positions in the northwest. The Baltics and Finland became hostile territories. Leningrad-Petrograd, the second capital of Russia, was under the threat of attack not only from the sea, but also from land. Stalin tried to negotiate with the Finns in the world, offered huge advantages, benefits to protect Leningrad. But the Finns, confident in the strength of their army, the strength of the fortifications, and help from the West, proudly refused. In response, we received the full program. The Finnish army was defeated. Stalin could take all of Finland, but he limited himself to lands for the security of Leningrad, Vyborg. Also, Moscow got a real idea of ​​the state of its armed forces, their readiness to fight in difficult conditions. Before the start of the Great War, they managed to correct some of the shortcomings. Also, the fall of the Mannerheim Line made the Baltics and Romania bow. We returned our lands in the Baltic and Bessarabia.
Our participation in the war for China's freedom in the 30s can also be attributed to correct, just wars. The fighting in China delayed the samurai forces from a direct clash with us. Japan is bogged down in China. The best infantry divisions of the Japanese Empire fought there. But they could storm our then rather weak lines in Southern Siberia and Primorye. A big war was being prepared in Europe, Moscow could not fight on two fronts, in the east and west. We were able to distract the Japanese from our lands with a small force in China.
The battles on Khasan and Khalkhin Gol played an important role in Japan's turn to the south. The United States and Britain at this time tried to pit us against the Japanese again. Germany and Japan with blows from the West and the East were supposed to crush Russia. It is clear that we did not need such a war. The Japanese hesitated at this time. Part of the military-political elite demanded to go north, to seize Russian lands to the Urals. Another part of the Japanese elite offered to go to the South Seas, Indochina, Indonesia, Australia and India. Resources there were rich, living conditions were easier.
In 1938, the Japanese conducted reconnaissance by force on Khasan. Marshal Blucher acted unsatisfactorily. The Japanese attack was repulsed, but Hassan left them with the impression that the Russians could be defeated: their generals were as weak as in 1904-1905. The threat of a major war in the Far East loomed. In 1939, the Japanese army began a serious operation in Mongolia, which was our ally. Stalin decided to use this moment to teach the samurai a lesson, to secure our borders in the East. Russian troops under the command of Zhukov defeated the enemy in a fierce battle. The Japanese were stunned. They faced a determined, proactive adversary. With an industrial power capable of exhibiting aviation and armored armada. The defeat of Japan at Khalkhin Gol was so crushing that they decided to turn south, which was a very unpleasant surprise for the Anglo-Saxons. Japan did not dare to attack Russia either in 1941, when the Germans were at the walls of Leningrad and Moscow, or in 1942, when the Wehrmacht stormed Stalingrad.
In the Far East, Stalin saved us from defeat and death in World War II. Thus, the wars with Japan in the 1930s and in 1945. were perfectly true and fair. They were conducted in the interests of the state and the people. In 1945 we took revenge for the defeat in 1904-1905. They avenged Tsushima and Port Arthur. We returned the Kuriles, South Sakhalin and Port Arthur. South Korea and China fell into our sphere of influence. The huge Celestial Empire soon became our "little brother".
Stalin's last war, the 1950-1953 campaign in Korea, also refers to Russia's strategically positive wars. We have inflicted a serious defeat on the United States. They buried the hopes of the Western generals for a successful air-nuclear war with the USSR. Soviet pilots and airplanes gave the Westerners a good lesson: you cannot fight the Russians. Washington saw that the newly created NATO would not be able to win in a land war.
The Great Patriotic War, the main superbattle of World War II, was just for all Russian people. We fought for our lives, for our existence. The West, represented by Hitler, sentenced Russia and the Russians to the complete destruction and slavery of the remnants of the people. We have destroyed the most dangerous and effective ideology of the West - fascism and Nazism. Russia liberated Europe. The Stalinist USSR created the Yalta-Potsdam political system, which gave the planet relative peace for two generations.
At the same time, Stalin did this not just for the quickly passing glory. We have returned many of the positions of the Russian Empire and even more. Poland became part of the socialist camp. The irreconcilable, thousand-year-old enemy of Russia became our ally under Stalin. The Poles returned to the fold of the Slavic world. Our sphere of influence includes the countries of Central and South-Eastern Europe. We have included East Germany in our union - another ancient ram of the West against Russian civilization. As a result, Stalin created a powerful protective barrier from European countries in the western strategic direction. Also, these countries became part of a common market, an economic block.
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Pessimist22 26 August 2020 05: 27
"Soviet Russia fought a lot, no less than tsarist Russia. However, Stalin's wars were just - in the interests of Soviet (Russian) civilization and the people."
However, Hitler also fought in the interests of the German people, conquering new lands, and Japan also fought in the interests of the people.
Mavrikiy 26 August 2020 05: 44
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Where is the conclusion? Fearfully? All wars are fought in the interests of the people. But there are just wars and there are not just ones. The author allowed a substitution of concepts, a manipulator.
antivirus 26 August 2020 06: 45
forces were enough only for the arrangement of their territory (in 39g), and their "formidable valor" - the young, ideologically grounded - "zombified" consciously went to their deaths, made it possible to create a system of allies of the USSR.
not to be confused with spheres of influence, carried out a complete re-coding of consciousness and development directions of the countries of Europe (by their own hands).
Quote: antivirus
ideologically grounded - "zombified",
Your portrait. Like a zombie. I can't see, I can't hear, and drooling to my knees.
Basil50 26 August 2020 09: 30
The author worked out the fee, at the same time spat on real historical events, began to offer a modern interpretation of the past.
Hitler was brought to power AFTER his justification for * Aryanism of the Germans * and the right to exterminate ALL * non-Aryans *.
For Fin, as well as for other Baltic Poles, the Germans were preparing the fate of the colonies. For this, there were German troops supporting the German administration, which began to plunder the colonies being registered. The Germans shamefully surrendered and declared themselves the losers of WWI, which allowed the French-British to declare the creation of * independent ... * (insert as necessary) states.
And yet, these * temporary * destroyed the RUSSIAN EMPIRE and began to raise nationalists, and then they began to divide RUSSIA into * territories * together with people between the allies in the * Entente *, and there were those * patriots * that were sold to the Germans.
It is NECESSARY to know this so that different interpreters do not vindicate outright LIES, passing off nonsense as a * new reading * of what happened in reality.
Amazing * accusations of non-Russianness * BOLSHEVIKOV. That the admirers of tsarist RUSSIA, that the Christians somehow DO NOT NOTICE the * non-Russian * tsar with his last name and his own god. But how they like to scream about * the dominance of non-Russians *.
Victor Red 26 August 2020 11: 35
The author worked out the fee, while spitting on real historical events, began to vindicate a modern interpretation of the past
At the expense of the fee - I probably agree. But you will not see "modern interpretations" there even with an electron microscope. The article is superficial, the author just knocked over the top. Although, for a lesson in Courage, for children of primary school age, that's it.
iouris 26 August 2020 13: 28
Quote: Victor Red
for the lesson of Courage, for children of primary school age, the very thing.
"The military and police are equated with children!" (O. Bender)
zenion 19 October 2020 15: 13
Victor Red. In order to satisfy and plow you deeply, you need to write a book. They write a book and you say you missed some details. This will remind of an anecdote about how Dodik entered the university. I passed everything perfectly, but the percentage had already been accepted and they decided to fill it up. Additional questions. He answers everything perfectly. Then they decided to ask him how many Soviet people died in the Great Patriotic War? Dodik - about 30 million people died. Then they ask him - please give him a name.
Victor Red 27 October 2020 13: 51
The anecdote smiled, yes)
As for the rest, speaking about the lesson of courage, I was ironic only partially, I would like to see articles with a deeper analysis on this resource. Although, perhaps you know the Warhead site, they have a There is a question heading there, for which the article fits almost perfectly. Why almost? The fact is that when speaking about the possibility of rapprochement between the USSR and Germany, the author is mistaken. The only real person, among the Natsiks, who could do this was Strasser, and at that time he had already been banged.
Consul 2 September 2020 19: 15
this * temporary * destroyed the RUSSIAN EMPIRE and began to raise nationalists, and then began to divide RUSSIA into * territory * together with people between the allies in the * Entente *, and there were those * patriots * that were sold to the Germans.
That is why they were called "provisional government", since their entire policy was aimed at the collapse of the Russian statehood to please the Western countries.
A "just war" is a war "not in the interests" but against those who fight "in the interests." The wars waged by the USSR were not aggressive. These were ideological, class wars in the interests of the world proletariat against the world bourgeois Asia for the triumph of the ideals of communism throughout the world. The wars that were and are being fought, for example, by Germany and Japan are wars for the expansion of the "living space" and the world domination of the German (Japanese) nation against "subhumans", i.e. class wars, racial wars.
Civil 26 August 2020 13: 26
It's funny, all these tsars-dictators hide behind the interests of the people, but in fact, like Hitler, they want to amuse their own pride.
Ragnar Lodbrok 26 August 2020 05: 44
As a result, Stalin created a powerful protective barrier from European countries in the western strategic direction.
And then the traitors missed everything.
And then the "world bourgeois Asia" won. The boom is hopefully inconclusive.
Certainly not final. The time will come and the people will sweep away the world bourgeoisie.
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They didn't fuck up. They deliberately, deliberately destroyed the country. They hated both the Soviet system and the people of the country.
apro 26 August 2020 05: 59
The only time in the history of the territory of Russia, when there was a clear goal-setting, the forces to implement the geostrategic interests of the majority of the country's population, when the USSR became the second center of civilization.
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USSR became the second center of civilization
I don't think the USSR was the second center of civilization. The USSR was on an equal footing with the USA, and in some ways even surpassed them, just as, in principle, as the SShV was superior to the USSR in some respects.
Ka-52 26 August 2020 06: 34
in the interests of Soviet (Russian) civilization
such a clumsy phrase immediately sets the tone for the whole article
what Russian civilization was baked by Stalin? Maybe the author will at least glimpse the ethnic affiliation of the majority of the CEC leaders
Quote: Ka-52
Maybe the author will at least get a glimpse of the ethnic affiliation of the majority of the CEC leaders
Can you determine the ethnicity of the Romanov family?
Well, what is the connection between the author's statement, my commentary and the Romanov family? Or do you want to flood on a sore subject?
Both the Cyc and the Romanov family are, as it were, the highest rulers of states.
article called just wars of the Romanovs? By the time of the events covered in the article, the main offspring of this family had been rotting in the ground for two decades. If you have a problem with the logic, I will explain in addition: neither Stalin nor any of the other top Bolshevik leaders cared about any Russian civilization. For the leaders of the young USSR, there was one definition - the Soviet people. On the contrary, the decisions of the CEC on the national question were aimed at granting equal rights to national cultures and language. This is where the well-known decision of the CEC on Ukrainization stems.
Sergej1972 26 August 2020 09: 28
CEC or Central Committee? These are different structures. One Soviet, which existed until 1937 and was replaced by the Supreme Soviet and its Presidium, the second party.
CEC or Central Committee? These are different structures
Where have I even said a word about the Central Committee? But even if it were indicated, it would not distort the picture too much.
I see the steel worshipers are excited again. Although I did not say anything against their idol above. Minus as many fingers knocked down hope that the fact will cease to be a fact? Or that cons will cause me at least heartburn?
Alexey RA 26 August 2020 13: 34
On the contrary, the decisions of the CEC on the national question were aimed at granting equal rights to national cultures and language. This is where the well-known decision of the CEC on Ukrainization stems.
More precisely, to grant preferential rights to national languages ​​within the boundaries of national entities. Regardless of what languages ​​people actually speak, these territories inhabit.
Since you were handed over to Ukraine along with the land - be weasel, teach MOV, you are now Ukrainian.
bober1982 26 August 2020 07: 27
I am wedging into your dialogue, aroused interest, there is no desire to comment on the article.
The Romanov dynasty, of course, the Russian tsars, they considered themselves as such and were proud of it.
Calling Trotsky, Sverdlov and other members of this whole gop company, Russians, the language will not turn, they did not consider themselves as such. Russia and the Russians, all these togars, fiercely hated.
exactly. When there is a dialogue with non-brothers on the topic of the Holodomor and the guilt of the Russians in this, I always say: look who led the Ukrainian SSR in those years and who was the head of the People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs in the 30s. If there was such a thing that the People's Commissar Yezhov, having seen the report on the personnel of the Ukrainian security officers in February 1938, said: "I looked at the personnel - this is not Ukraine, but Birobidzhan," then it is very indicative.
and you look who led the Ukrainian SSR during these years
S. Kosior is a talented (as they would say now) organizer, leader of the Bolshevik movement in Ukraine.
In Ukraine, he was recognized as one of the organizers of the notorious Holodomor. Pole by nationality (maybe a Polish Jew)
Hello pshekam!
and Israel Moiseevich Leplevsky is no less an odious figure
fuxila 26 August 2020 14: 27
When there is a dialogue with non-brothers on the topic of Holodomor and the guilt of Russians
To the snot of non-brothers, I remind them who led the USSR: after the rootless cosmopolitan Lenin, it was the Ukrainian Trotsky (a native of the Kherson province), then the Georgian Stalin, then the Ukrainians Khrushchev and Brezhnev, after the next cosmopolitan Andropov, again the Ukrainian Chernenko and the semi-Ukrainian Gorbachev. Objections that Bronstein-Trotsky are not Ukrainian are not accepted, because they themselves have registered as Ukrainians everyone who was lucky to be born there: the Russians Sikorsky and Korolev, the Armenian Aivazovsky, the Pole Malevich, etc. So the Russian people for almost 50 years out of 73 were under the rule of the Ukrainians and you can charge them both for genocide and ethnocide (Ukrainization). By the way, the Ukrainian Kaganovich (a native of the Kiev province) bears direct blame for the famine of the 30s. And other Ukrainians had those other fruits, for example, Mehlis (a native of Odessa).
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Big greetings from Hitler. He considered himself an Aryan, and? .......
Calling Trotsky, Sverdlov and other members of this whole gop company, Russians, the language will not turn,
They had nothing to do with the policy of the USSR in 1930.
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Big greetings to you from the Russian, peasant tsar Alexander III, and ......
Who was killed then in 1937?
BAI 26 August 2020 13: 37
By the time of the accession of Nicholas 2 - they were never Russians, and, moreover, never Romanovs - in the male line, the Romanov family ended in Peter 3. And all the queens after Elizabeth Petrovna are German.
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moreover, never the Romanovs
I don't understand who then? Maybe Rurikovich?
Holstein Germans.
Who celebrated the 300th anniversary of the House of Romanov? The Germans?
Monarchists who don't care about the nationality of the tsar. There is an idol - they pray for it, the rest is not important.
nov_tech.vrn 28 August 2020 20: 31
The most obvious sign is blood; by the 19th century, "hemophilia" was very popular among the Romanovs, traces of incest in a narrow environment of German princelings
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among the Romanovs, by the 19th century, "hemophilia" was very popular, traces of incest in a narrow environment of German princelings
German princelings and a narrow environment of incest are not related to the illness of Tsarevich Alexei.
The disease itself (hemophilia), in the XNUMXth century, struck all the royal houses of Europe, as a result of dynastic marriages.
In Russia (the royal family), the disease came from the English Queen Victoria - her granddaughter was the Empress Alexandra Fedorovna (wife of Nicholas II), then the disease was transmitted to Alexei.
The disease itself manifests itself only in men.
cost 27 August 2020 05: 11
all the queens after Elizaveta Petrovna are German.
And who is this lady then?
Maria Sofia Frederica Dagmar is a Danish woman. In any case, not Russian.
Million 26 August 2020 09: 30
Was anyone a rich man?
Olgovich 26 August 2020 06: 35
War in Spain. This war embroiled Moscow with Berlin, although at that time there were chances to keep the peace between us, build the Russia-Germany axis
With whom is the "axis-world"? With .... the Nazis? WHAT does the author regret? There are no words ....
As a result, we climbed into Spain. They began to fight with the Spanish nationalists Franco, Italian fascists and the Germans.
Not with the Germans, the author, but with the German Nazis. And they fought with them absolutely right.
We got another hostile country, and the Spaniards during the Great Patriotic War fought on the side of Hitler.
You cannot write in the "History" section and completely ignore its events: country Spain did not officially take part in WWII, and volunteers on the side of Hitler fought not only from Spain, but also from France, Belgium, Holland, etc., with which the USSR did not have any conflicts.
The Finnish campaign was certainly correct, in the national interest.
And here they definitely created for themselves an evil, furious enemy (instead of a pretential neutral), who made a lot of troubles in the Second World War
After the collapse of the Russian Empire, a Finnish state was created on our northwestern border
BY WHOM was it created? The same ones who started the Winter War by correcting their mistakes 22 years ago
Мы returned our lands in the Baltic and Bessarabia.
Russia did not receive nothing, no m2: instead of the Russian province of Bessarabia, transferred by Romania, ... the so-called. MSSR, the same with the Baltics. What we have today.
Japan did not dare to attack Russia either in 1941, when the Germans were at the walls of Leningrad and Moscow, or in 1942, when the Wehrmacht stormed Stalingrad.
Well, what kind of attack on the USSR, when she did not have enough strength on Pearl Harbor and the subsequent?
Russia liberated Europe. The USSR created the Yalta-Potsdam political system, which gave the planet relative peace for two generations.
This is yes-the world is still without TMV, thanks to the then security system of the world where Russia takes part
Only do it it was necessary earlier, в 1918 r- instead of Brest betrayal
And there would be no WWII and WWII, the same system would not allow.
Boris55 26 August 2020 08: 31
Only it should have been done earlier, in 1918, instead of the Brest betrayal
Would you have enough strength to cope with everyone?
To restore Russia as a state, it was vitally necessary to conclude a truce with an external enemy and only after that direct all forces to the fight against the internal one. Life has shown the correctness of this decision - Russia is alive to this day.
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A strange question: they dealt with the occupiers even WITHOUT us, see. Compiegne 1918. Only with us it would have been KARLHORST 45g already in 1918.
To restore Russia as a state, it was vitally necessary to conclude a truce with an external enemy and only then direct all forces to the fight against the internal one.
What .... the restoration of Russia ?! What's wrong with you? Russia was not restored then, but CUT into pieces-cm. out the window.
They were cut by the real enemies of the country, who had sat out from the front to defend the Fatherland from the German invaders in Switzerland and were sent by the invaders to the country.
... Life has shown the correctness of this decision - Russia is alive to this day.
Life has shown the stupidity of this decision: wild losses in terrible wars, which simply would not have been without the VOR and her Brest betrayal, and borders of the 17th century and the Russian Cross, ... It is right"?
Life has shown the stupidity of this decision
Do you think that all these Denikins, Yudenichs, Kornilov, Kolchaks and others. White Guards, sitting on a chain of foreign "benefactors", were able to restore the old Russia? Who would let them. Russia was waiting for the fate of Africa and only the Bolsheviks, together with the General Staff, were able to defend Russia.
Do you think that all these Denikins, Yudenichs, Kornilov, Kolchaks and others. White Guards, sitting on a chain of foreign "benefactors", were able to restore the old Russia?
All these real Russian warriors front-line soldierswho saved Russia in WWI, ALREADY restored the Russian state, which was destroyed not by the interventionists, but by the traitors who wanted the victory of the invaders in WWI ("kayzerevschina") and sent by them
... Russia was waiting for the fate of Africa and only the Bolsheviks, together with the General Staff, were able defend Russia.
Do not bear the BOBBINS: from Russia they "defended" the horns and legs - see. in the WINDOW.
And yes, Russia passed BEFORE these traitors and more terrible tests for a THOUSAND years and survived, but with them she suffered the most SCARY in its history losses of territories, people and wealth are just FACTS,
All these real Russian war veterans who saved Russia in WWI have ALREADY restored the Russian state,
They didn't win in WWI. For Russia, the First World War ended on March 3, 1918 with the Brest Peace. They unleashed a civil war and, together with the British, Americans, French, Japanese and other bastards, tore Russia apart. Each of them imagined himself to be another king.
but with them she suffered the most SCARY losses in its history
It is a fact. The fact is that in the Second World War our military losses are comparable to the losses of Nazi Germany, and the total losses of the entire German-Fascist Shobla significantly exceed ours. The main losses were among the civilian population - 20 million civilians, old people, women and children, were destroyed by the invaders. The war was aimed at our complete destruction. They have experience in doing this, cleaning up territories from the local population, there are - American Indians, Australian aborigines.
They didn't win in WWI.
Learn History: Germany IS BROKEN and Expelled from Occupied Territories
For Russia, the First World War ended on March 3, 1918 with the Brest Peace.
Bredyatina: except German occupiers, NOBODY is recognizedl nor so-called great. "power", nor their smart papers.
They unleashed a civil war and, together with the British, Americans, French, Japanese and other bastards, tore Russia apart. Each of them imagined himself to be another king.
Lie: Civil War has begun only after the thiefand as a result of it, read the Bolsheviks themselves, Trotsky, and so on, their bastard.
tore Russia apart
the third time I call go to the window and look at today's horns and legs from Russia. Not the British did it, but the Bolsheviks from 1917 to 1940
Sugar Honeyovich 26 August 2020 15: 05
except for the German occupiers, NOBODY recognized either the so-called. great. "power", nor their smart papers.
And the Finns? And they were invited to the Princes' Islands on equal terms with others.
Esoteric 26 August 2020 17: 17
Come on. What an intervention, please. If the Entente really wanted to strangle the Bolsheviks, it would have done so without particularly straining. After the victory over Germany, at least half, but that there is half, a quarter of the Entente troops sent to help the white armies, and comrade Lenin and his comrades would be hanged in Moscow, at most in a month. There was no intervention, and no real help to the White movement, they were throwing dust in the eyes.
Were you afraid that the troops would propagandize the Bolsheviks? Doubtful. Although, as you know, the French were susceptible to this, but the British were not.
here it is for sure that they have created a vicious fierce enemy for themselves (instead of a pretential neutral),
This vicious, fierce enemy arose back in tsarist times. All subsequent events are a consequence of this root cause. There is no need to talk about his neutrality even theoretically.
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This evil one the fierce enemy arose back in the royal time. ...
nonsense: NOT a single fact of "hostility", and even ... furious ", you can not give
There is no need to talk about his neutrality even theoretically.
Yeah, with an army of ... thirty thousand people and 15 tanks ... PMV in 1939
NOT a single fact of "hostility", and even ... furious ", you can not give
Bobrikov, therefore, does not count? And 1 MB collaboration? It's better not to remember Vyborg at all ...
furious the enemy arose back in royal time. ...
The fighting in China delayed the samurai forces from a direct clash with us. Japan stuck in China
But they could storm our then rather weak lines in Southern Siberia and Primorye.
stupid conclusion. The Japanese needed resources first of all, not just territory. Manchuria and Southeast Asia were considered by them primarily as sources of raw materials.
atos_kin 26 August 2020 07: 02
The Stalinist USSR created the Yalta-Potsdam political system, which gave the planet relative peace for two generations.
It should be added that the "Stalinist USSR" also created a nuclear missile baton, which still cools the desire to seize pieces of the Russian Federation by military means.
nikvic46 26 August 2020 07: 20
The civil war in Spain can hardly be called our war. Just like the war in Vietnam. Everything else is correctly noted. True, after the Finnish war, not entirely correct conclusions were drawn about our weapons. And so the author is a plus.
ee2100 26 August 2020 07: 45
I look forward to the opus from the author of the article "Putin's Just Wars"
The author is apparently only waiting for payment, will write whatever. Apparently he trained in Europe-America.
This war embroiled Moscow with Berlin, although at that time there were chances to keep peace between us, to build axis Russia - Germany, which was never created before the First World War.
Does the author have phantom pains? Fantasies, they are so fascinating, it is a pity that they have nothing to do with reality.
What axis. Russia and Germany have been intensively pumping money into the Saxons for 5-7 years for a clash between themselves.
In 1936-1939. - the war in Spain, where we supported the Spanish Republic. At the same time, Soviet military specialists and pilots are fighting in China, supporting Marshal Chiang Kai-shek against Japanese troops.
These weren't wars! We did not participate directly in them. Help is the same as from Germany and Italy, well, and internationalists from all over the world, including the unbeaten White Guards.
Aviator_ 26 August 2020 07: 52
This war embroiled Moscow with Berlin, although at that time there were chances to preserve peace between us, to build the Russia-Germany axis, which was never created before the First World War.
And Hitler for the sake of this "axis" was going to abandon his fundamental "Mein Kampf", which spelled out in detail where Lebensraum is located? Poor globe, poor owl!
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Hitler did not have to paint where Lebensraum was located. The Eastern European lands, bordering the Reich, were the subject of aspirations of the Germans even in the Kaiser era.
... the East bordering directly on the German Fatherland. Fate leads us there. The compass of the Germans points to the East
Hitler only expanded and deepened pre-existing trends.
And with these people they constantly want to tie us into an alliance ...
As a result, we climbed into Spain.
You may have climbed, we have not.
Franco's regime took over. We got another hostile country, and the Spaniards fought on the side of Hitler during the Great Patriotic War. It would be better if the expended forces and resources were used in China to fight the Japanese. We didn't spoil our relations with Berlin.
How to call a person who is zombified by one thought and does not react to the arguments of reason? Maniac.
kalibr 26 August 2020 10: 30
Even I have delivered to you now!
Quote: kalibr
Well sho, (+) You are fair and not vindictive (not evil, just a good memory ) The history of the Motherland, written on the knee, always looks sloppy.
Reptiloid 26 August 2020 08: 08
...... Russia, after the catastrophe of 1917, lost ......
I would like to understand the author, what he calls a disaster. A catastrophe for what or for whom?
Immediately thoughts move on. If in 1917 there was a disaster, then in the 90s what ..
I would like to understand the author, what he calls a disaster
The author means - the collapse of the Russian statehood, Holy Russia faded in three days, as aptly noted.
In the 90s, everything repeated itself, the Soviet civilization faded just as quickly.
Welcome You, Vladimir, ! Just your opinion I expected! Because we often argued with you.
And here is what the Author thought
If in 1917 there was a disaster, then in the 90s what ..
The phoenix bird rose from the ashes, only someone gnawed at it.
rudolff 26 August 2020 08: 24
Articles of this kind are beginning to get boring. Stalin saved us, Stalin won, Stalin built, Stalin .... And how were the people there, were they an extra? Moreover, even the outright failures of Stalin's policy and leadership are now presented as some kind of deeply thought-out chess games. Where did we get this idolatry? Well, with the kings it is at least understandable, the power there seems to be from God. And then? They prayed for Lenin. The power has changed, they began to turn to Stalin. Now on Putin. The famous "there is no Russia without Putin." At the same time, we are also hanging Stalin on the banners together with Ivan the Terrible.
Old Orc 26 August 2020 13: 41
The answer is simple. the level of support for Stalin in many countries that betrayed the USSR is higher than that of the current government. Using such articles, they are trying to build a bridge from Stalin to the current government and the policy they are pursuing, luring over the shadow of the Great and a particle of his support.
Operator 26 August 2020 08: 53
Horror flying on the wings of the night
Maks1995 26 August 2020 09: 17
Yeah. Who is strong is right. Whoever captured and cut everyone is the unifier.
Quote: Max1995
Duc ... war criminals are determined by the winners.
Two people waged unlimited submarine warfare. One is a war hero who made a significant contribution to the Allied victory over Japan. The other received ten years, including for conducting an unlimited submarine war.
Doctor 26 August 2020 09: 19
Interestingly, there are wars that we did not get into under Stalin ...
Quote: Arzt
Mmmm ... Chaco's War?
boris epstein 26 August 2020 16: 12
War of Japan against the USA, France, Holland, Great Britain. From December 7, 1941 to August 1945. The USSR maintained neutrality, despite repeated provocations by Japan, the arrest and sinking of Soviet ships with a lend-lease from the United States. War of Italy against Ethiopia. Hitler's wars against Belgium, Holland, Luxembourg, Norway, Greece, France, Great Britain, Poland, Yugoslavia, Hitler's Anschluss of Czechoslovakia and Austria. Bolivian-Paraguayan War.
War of Japan against the USA, France, Holland, Great Britain. From December 7, 1941 to August 1945. The USSR maintained neutrality, despite repeated provocations by Japan, the arrest and sinking of Soviet ships with a lend-lease from the United States.
Here we got in. Since August 1945.
Hitler's wars against Belgium, Holland, Norway, Greece, France, Great Britain, Poland?, Yugoslavia
Well, this is after the pact. Or do you mean on the side of Hitler?
Anschluss Hitler of Czechoslovakia and Austria.
Is this war? Hitler did it in 10 days.
War of Italy against Ethiopia. Bolivian-Paraguayan War.
Yes, I agree. The reason is clear. At least a small fleet to Joseph Vissarionich ...
Catfish 26 August 2020 20: 00
Agreement, sir, sorry.
Agreement, sir, sorry. request
Which contract?
Allied.
And where are those allies? Dissolved.
And the Japanese are still at war.
This is yours. It was at this time that the USA, Great Britain and a number of other countries were the allies of the USSR. I think further conversation is meaningless, and this answer is not for you either.
With or without meaning, with or without allies, observing one treaty or violating another - the fact remains - we got in.
And they have not yet crawled out, for 75 years we have been in a state of war.
Why constantly publish articles of the same type?
Undecim 26 August 2020 09: 25
Another tub of delirium will be thrown into the information space. Interestingly, the author considers the wars of Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov to be unfair, or one should expect a continuation personally about the just wars of each of the general secretaries and more...? And whose Soviet-Polish war of 1920? Lenin? And is it fair?
By the way, the author somehow zigzagged through the Stalinist wars, mentioning some and keeping silent about others.
In addition, if the support for Chiang Kai-shek in 1937, according to the author, was a just Stalinist war, then what is the Stalinist war against Chiang Kai-shek in 1934, and even together with the former White Guards? Is it fair too? And in 1946, the USSR again fought against Chiang Kai-shek, but the author again bypasses this war. Why?
In a word, the mockery of history continues.
"On the other hand, Russia-USSR was drawn into this war by Trotsky's followers, ardent internationalist revolutionaries who dreamed of a" fire of the world revolution ".
I really like this. And it turns out that Stalin is wise like God, then I don't know who and who doesn't want stupid, he is drawn into the city. Well, at least the author would have read books on Spanish events ... After all, there are many ... Well, in English, that's me too ... in Russian it is full, and very serious.
Well, at least the author read the books
The author is not a reader, the author is a writer.
I just envy the author ... I would write like that. Labor, just knock on the keyboard. And what you remember from the institute is on the screen ... You don't have to go to museums, or translations from books, or to archives. Chic, shine, beauty! I'll have to try ...
"Sema doesn't need to smell, Sema needs to be taught."
As it is correct, according to the "mathematical part" is another visitor
Oh yes ... in the summer-autumn of 1942, the attack on the USSR was extremely important for Japan.
The fleet has just lost a general engagement, loving two-thirds of the large ABs, and is being sucked into the meat grinder at Guadalcanal. All the free forces of the army are stuck in Southeast Asia and on the islands, with which the army is extremely unhappy (because for it the main theater of operations is China). Fuel consumption by the fleet and army is hardly covered by supplies (also because the fleet uses mobilized tankers as storage facilities at bases and as squadrons, which excludes them from fuel transportation).
In this situation, it's time to open another front - in the north. It does not matter that the USSR has a group of 25-35 divisions in the Far East (1,3 million people, 12000 guns and mortars, 2500 tanks and self-propelled guns, 3200 aircraft). It does not matter that the Metropolis is within the radius of the "Fortresses" from the Soviet airfields to the Far East (FDR exactly in 1942 asked the IVS about the possibility of basing the B-17 in those parts).
paul3390 26 August 2020 12: 08
Who would explain whether Japan's feijoa was attacked? Well, well - she would have snatched Primorye, part of Siberia .. And - what? There is nothing there that Japan badly needed! No oil, no food, no metals - nothing useful ... So why fight for something? And even more so - to open another front ..
Quote: paul3390
Who would explain whether Japan's feijoa was attacked? Well, well - she would have snatched Primorye, part of Siberia .. And - what? There is nothing there that Japan badly needed!
Planets Siberia and the Far East. There are no minerals. There is no normal climate. Inhabited by the Red Army and partisans.
More precisely, there are minerals. In the depths. And only those that Japan already have in sufficient quantities are extracted from them. And the climate is worse than in "inhospitable Manchuria".
I'll tell you more - the Kvanutnts have already burned themselves with new territories once. This military-industrial association (army structures closely intertwined with the zaibatsu) grabbed Manchuria with joy ... and went into a deep minus. They got their first profit from Manchuria only at the very end of the 30s, and before that they only invested and invested.
No oil, no food, no metals - nothing useful ...
Even worse, in the event of an attack on the USSR, Japan will lose part of its oil production: during the battles, oil production on Sakhalin (including concession areas on Soviet territory) will be destroyed.
Plus, the previously permitted fishing in Soviet terrorist waters will be difficult - because our Air Force will perceive any ship flying the Japanese flag as an enemy (this is not a fisherman, but a scout or patrol).
I'll tell you more - the Kvanutnts have already burned themselves with new territories once. This military-industrial association (army structures closely intertwined with the zaibatsu) grabbed Manchuria with joy ... and went into a deep minus.
An interesting topic by the way. Long ago I read a serious analytical article about how much the Far East cost us and how much its development paid off. Even taking into account the Kolyma gold, fish and other things, the minus is fantastic.
I remember that this money could be used to build a house of 4 sq.m. for each family of 150 in the European part of Russia.
And 4,5 times.
She would have snatched Primorye, part of Siberia .. And - what? There is nothing there that Japan badly needed!
And in 1918-22, why was she stuck there?
Fish, coal, oil and timber.
Since 1922, Japan has been producing fish and oil on Soviet territory - under concession agreements. Moreover, fishing goes beyond any quotas, and in response to all the claims of the Soviet side, EM and KR IJN come to help the fishermen.
Coal is mined in Manchuria.
And to fight over the forest, spending precious oil on it, is somewhat ... irrational. It's easier to buy this forest from gaijins.
RUSS 26 August 2020 11: 22
The author writes:The irreconcilable, thousand-year-old enemy of Russia became our ally under Stalin. The Poles returned to the fold of the Slavic world.
What nonsense? What is the Slavic world? Is this the ATS?
And by the way, they often write that Poland acquired new lands after World War II, but for reference I will say that before World War II the territory of Poland was larger than it became in 1945.
Soviet Russia fought a lot, no less than tsarist
The author of Tsarist Russia for what period of time does he think?
We didn't spoil our relations with Berlin.
War with Germany was inevitable. Hitler came to power under the slogan "Drang nach Osten" and never gave it up. He saw a living space for Germany only in the East (in Russia = USSR) (see Mein Kampf).
The Great Patriotic War is the main superbattle of the Second World War.
Equalizing battle and war is no longer a cure.
Trapperxnumx 27 August 2020 12: 59
War with Germany was inevitable.
I agree. And all the ideas about "creating a Moscow-Berlin axis" give off illiteracy at best.
All of the above is an attempt to ascribe to the communist and internationalist Stalin, capitalist and openly Russian chauvinist views that are profitable today. This is clearly an attempt to use a leader respected by all the people.
I will reveal a terrible secret to the author. There is such a law: Federal Law of 12.01.1995 N 5-FZ (as amended on 24.04.2020) "On Veterans".
And there is an Appendix to it - LIST OF STATES, CITIES, TERRITORIES AND PERIODS
CONDUCTING COMBAT ACTIONS WITH THE PARTICIPATION OF CITIZENS OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION.
And in this List there is Section I - a list of military operations waged by the USSR and the Russian Federation.
And it says there:
Soviet-Polish War: March - October 1920
Fighting in Spain: 1936 - 1939 years
War with Finland: from November 30 1939 of the year to March 13 of the 1940 of the year
World War II: from 22 of June 1941 of the year to 9 (11) of May 1945 of the year
War with Japan: from 9 of August 1945 of the year to 3 of September of 1945 of the year
Combat operations to eliminate basmachi:
from October 1922 to June 1931
The fighting around Lake Hassan:
July 29 to August 11 1938 of the year
The fighting on the Khalkhin Gol River:
from May 11 to September 16, 1939
Fighting during the reunification of the USSR, Western Ukraine and Western Belarus: from September 17 to September 28, 1939
Fighting in China:
from August 1924 to July 1927;
October - November 1929;
from July 1937 to September 1944;
July - September 1945;
from March 1946 to April 1949;
March - May 1950 (for the personnel of the air defense forces group);
from June 1950 to July 1953 (for personnel of military units that took part in hostilities in North Korea from China)
Here are the hostilities officially recognized by Russia during that period.
And all this is COMPLETELY NOT SECRET in the official edition of the Consultant.
Bold highlights what is not covered in the historiography of the Second World War.
Bagatur 26 August 2020 16: 11
Samsonov ... The same thing.
Dart2027 26 August 2020 19: 05
Guessed the author by name.
Forty barrels of salty prisoners. A place in the 6th room is guaranteed. although you can go to the liberals.
For some reason, the author did not mention the Polish campaign of 1939.
With this outlook on life, I advise you to look at the genealogies of all the then monarchs of Europe. Many exciting discoveries await you))))
Nikolai Korovin 1 September 2020 22: 16
Well, for example, the Hanoverian dynasty, which reigned in 1714, is now reigning in Great Britain. Something in my opinion there was no special pomp in connection with the 300th anniversary. It is inconvenient to remember that Hanover is in Germany, as it were. And they were replaced by the Scots after a bit of jamming of the Stuarts. Scotland was completely independent in the XNUMXth century, crayfish did not particularly meddle there. They'll kill you in the mountains from around the corner, and that's all.
The Poles, too, now and then chose first a Frenchman, then a German. Elector of Saxon Augustus, King of Poland - Peter's ally in the war against Charles XII. The Bourbons are French, they were overthrown in France, but they still returned. True, not very long. And in Spain and the Kingdom of Naples they still sat for a long time. And everywhere such a picture is to invite people of a different nationality to the first roles. It's clear why.
Peter tried to attract German princes and princesses, so that Russia in Europe would become like its own, and to some extent, for the time being, it succeeded. In general, at first glance, Pyotr Alekseevich was an ardent Westernizer, and what he had in mind about himself - God knows him. There has never been any other sovereign who would have cut and rigged warships himself. Tsar Carpenter. He himself planted oaks, where he could - in Kuzminsky Park there is one seasoned one. Yes, he did not spare anyone, but he did not spare himself either. It is no coincidence that no one even thought of assassinating the Bronze Horseman. And the Germans and Germans who fell into power, who resisted, were Russified, Mother Russia digested everyone, who did not end up badly.
Here, for example, is an anecdote, or perhaps a true story, about Alexander III.
He gave the order to sort out all the same way with the family tree. And they bring him the result that it seems like Paul is not from Peter III, but from Saltykov. Yes, you just look at his physiognomy and all the corpulence of him - well, a village Russian peasant, at a gathering he would. He crossed himself widely and said: - Well, thank God, we are Russians.
Some time passes - they bring a new result: - No, after all, it seems, from Peter III Paul.
He crossed himself again and said: - Well, thank God, we are legal.
Believe it or not. And about "you can't be pardoned" the Romanovs were ready to joke - a peasant joke. But, unfortunately, none of them was really worthy of Peter's deeds.
Again I got carried away from the topic. It's time for bainki.
imobile2008 27 August 2020 20: 32
Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
Hitler decided to attack Russia when he saw how Stalin managed in Finland
Chervonny 22 November 2020 16: 42
Lying. Hitler was going to attack the USSR long before the start of the Second World War. The USSR was an enemy for Hitler, as well as for the entire capitalist world. They were afraid of the ideas of communism and the economic might of the USSR.
Corsair5912 30 August 2020 16: 59
That's right. Under Stalin, the USSR did not seize foreign territories, but only defended and returned its ancestral lands, which had been developed and improved by the Russians for centuries.
Eug 31 August 2020 12: 41
An interesting photo - from both captains of the Order of Alexander Nevsky, who were awarded mainly for a tactical victory over the superior forces of the enemy. It means that they learned to fight! And about whose interests the wars are waged - everything, as for me, depends on which system rules the state - if the state is capitalist, then in the interests of corporations - they need a territory for development and new consumers, if the state is actually a national one, then in the interests of the people ...
Well, do not put a finger in the mouth of today's kids. It was during Soviet times that we observed discipline and sat in class with folded pens, and if you want to answer a teacher's question, raise your hand in accordance with the statutory order, as if in readiness for a pioneer salute, and do not pull up to the ceiling and do not yell from a place without permission. All students in the same uniform - who are poor, who are rich - are not visible in the class at first glance. In general, in hindsight, the school is recalled as something somewhat militarized. Again - a link, a detachment, a squad ... Formations, to go where - not in a heap, but in a formation, two people in a line. It is easy for an attendant to count, and no one will accidentally break away. So in this case, O. Bender had the basis for such a strong identification.
And now there are two bugs for ten years and talk among themselves about brokerage and the exchange rate. What comparison can there be with the police and the military? I love Ilf and Petrov very much, but some of them are outdated. Although, of course, not all. For example, the artel "Intensive" on state subsidies. The worker is alone (a little boy in big, broken felt boots). The function is to pour from the filled at the bottom to the empty at the top. The working body is pure "ash-two-o". Forerunner of the concerns "Hermes", "ABVA", as well as MMM.
However, something I have deviated from the topic. Overworked a little today. Various nanoparticles (on paper) flicker before your eyes. Heat transfer by hyperbolic exciton, understand. Got drunk on luminescent quantum dots in colloidal solutions like a pig.
Vladimir Izbyakov 15 October 2020 12: 50
all the listed wars except the Second World War are UNFAIR
PVM 7 November 2020 12: 16
All wars are pure material interests of a group of people. At all times..
And the non-humans do not advertise their plans in any way.
On the contrary, they are encrypted under "liberation", "domestic", and so on and so on. But the ultimate goal of any war is to make a profit on military operations.