And -- CA: And then at some point, someone contributed some code that you thought, "Wow, that really is interesting, I would not have thought of that.
그리고... 크리스앤더슨: 그런데, 어느 순간에 당신이 생각했던 코딩을 누군가가 해주었고, "야, 이거 정말 생각지도 않았는데 재미있네.