But the conversation they're having now -- about what their good society should look like, what their excellent society should look like, is a really good thing.
但是她们正在进行的讨论—— 关于一个他们认为好的社会应该是什么样子， 他们认为是卓越的社会应该是什么样子的讨论—— 非常有价值。