That means, we can imagine -- I don't say it was fantastic, but in the '80s, there was not too much war, like that, it was -- we can imagine that the civilization can become civilized.
就是说，我们可以想象—我可没说这很神奇， 但在 '80 年代，没有太多像那样的战争，因此— 我们能想象：文明可以变得有教养。