And, in fact, when we did the interview -- I did the living self-portrait with her -- there were three former directors of the CIA basically sitting at her feet, just enjoying her presence.
事实上，在我们做访谈的时候， 我对她做现场自画像， 观众中有三名前CIA的主管， 坐在下面， 很享受能跟她相距咫尺的感觉。