And designers would like, oh, I don't know how to do an equation, I don't understand what you're saying. And then all of a sudden they really started talking each others' language, and now we're already at the point that they collaborate.
而设计师则说：我不会做数学式子， 我不懂你说的。而突然间 他们真的开始说起彼此的语言， 而现在我们已到了彼此合作的地步。