I didn't take it personally, but -- I just -- I had -- I naively had thought, until this surfing experience started me into the 17th century, I'd thought that's just the way people thought, and everybody did, and they recognized reality by what they could see or touch or feel or hear.
我并不放个人感情进去，但是 — 我只是 — 我以为 — 我很天真地认为， 知道冲浪的时候我听说了有关十七世纪的故事， 我以前一直以为人们一直都是有科学思想的， 人人都有，他们认识世界， 是通过他们能看见的东西，能触摸的东西，或者感觉到的东西，或者听到的东西。