So this goes on in the formal economy as well as the informal economy, so it's wrong of us to blame — and I'm not singling out Siemens, I'm saying everyone does it. Okay?
所以这种现象在正规的经济体系里存在 在非正规的经济体系里亦然， 所以是我们错怪了 -- 我不是单单 把西门子拎出来，我是说每个企业都这样。