But then I suffered a series of career catastrophes, one after the other, and finally found myself in television.  I said that to Bill Moyers, and he said, "Oh, we take anybody."  And I was doing some rather controversial religious programs.
然而此后，我的事业几经波折， 一次又一次失利之后，我却最终在电视上找到了自己。 我跟比尔.莫耶斯说到这些时，他说：“哦，我们来者不拒。” 那时我做过一些颇具争议的宗教节目。