And he said, "Well, recently I pitched a sustainability project to a client, and turned and he said to me, 'I know it's going to cost less, I know it's going to sell more, but we're not pioneers, because pioneers have arrows in their backs.'" I think we've got a roomful of pioneers, and I hope there are far more pioneers out there, because we need to solve these problems.
他说："最近我向一个客户推荐一个可持续性项目 然后他对我说： ' 我知道这样成本更低 我知道它会卖得更好 但我们不是先驱，因为先驱们是需要牺牲的。'" 我想我们有一屋子的先驱， 我希望我们之外有更多的先驱，因为我们需要解决这些问题。