And he believed we live with others, we share the world with others and therefore our innovation must be done with others too, not doing things at people, for them, and so on.
他还相信我们和他人一起生活，我们和他人分享世界 因此我们的创新也必须"和"他人一起实现， 而不是"对"他人，"为"他人做什么，等等。