And 30 years later I was sitting in an airplane, next to a lady called Veronica, who came from Chile, and we were on a human rights tour, and she was starting to tell me what it was like to be tortured, and, from my very privileged position, this was the only reference point that I had.
三十年后我坐在一架飞机里， 邻座的是一位来自智利的女士，维罗妮卡。 我们参加了一个人权之旅， 她开始向我诉说被折磨是什么样的感觉， 并且从我特有的立场出发， 这是我有的唯一的参照点。