XL: Indeed. This is way more difficult than, let's say, finding a needle in a haystack, because at least, you know, the needle is still something you can physically put your fingers on.
刘旭：确实。这其实要比 在稻草堆中找到一根针要难得多， 因为至少，针还是一个 你能确实触摸到的实物。