For example, if you take, and you make a comparison between a recent kind of city, what I'll call, simplistically, a North American city -- and Detroit is not a bad example, it is very car dependent.
例如，你把两个城市作比较， 一个新的城市， 我说，简单点，一个北美的城市-- 底特律就行，大量地依赖汽车。