So in a way, if we were to say we need to continue this endless growth, endless use of material resources, it's like if this man was saying -- and I heard a former head of state, I won't mention who, saying -- "Five years ago, we were at the edge of the precipice.
从某种角度来看， 如果我们持续这种无节制的发展， 持续不断地消耗资源， 我们就会像这位—— 我从一位前国家元首那听来的， 我不会说是谁——说的这样， 「五年前，我们站在悬崖边，