Now, it's easier said than done, because I'm saying it now, but I'm telling you it's not easy in male culture for guys to challenge each other, which is one of the reasons why part of the paradigm shift that has to happen is not just understanding these issues as men's issues, but they're also leadership issues for men.
说是比做的容易。 因为我现在这样说，但我可以跟你说这不容易。 要在男人的文化中去挑战其他的男人。 这也解释了， 所谓转移的发生 不是只是要明白男人的问题， 同时也要理解这是男人的领袖问题。