So despite the fact that we are beginning to pour billions, hundreds of billions of dollars, into cybersecurity -- for the most extraordinary technical solutions -- no one wants to talk to these guys, the hackers, who are doing everything.
尽管现实中 我们开始花费了数十亿 数千亿美元 在网络安全上-- 花费在那些最出色的技术解决方案上-- 却没有人希望和 那些从事各行各业 的黑客们聊聊