So in large parts of the world today, that separation between science and religion hasn't occurred in large parts of the world today, and as I say, these are not -- This guy used to work for Chase and at the World Bank.
所以，在当今世界的大多数地方， 宗教和科学的分离 并没有发生。 就像我说的，这些人并不是---- 这个人曾经在大通银行和世界银行工作过。