So I have this distinction between what we're making people do and the subject that's sort of mainstream and the subject that, in a sense, people might follow with their own interest and perhaps even be spiked into doing that.
Ik maak dus onderscheid tussen wat we mensen doen doen en het doorsnee-vak, en het vak dat mensen op basis van hun eigen interesse kunnen volgen en waar ze zich in kunnen verdiepen.