So in a way, if we were to say we need to continue this endless growth, endless use of material resources, it's like if this man was saying -- and I heard a former head of state, I won't mention who, saying -- "Five years ago, we were at the edge of the precipice.
ですから もし我々が この際限のない成長 — 際限のない物質的資源の消費を 続ける必要があると言うのなら この男のようなことになります 某国の前首脳がこう言うのを聞きました お名前は出しませんが — 「５年前 我々は崖っぷちにいた