And when somebody gets up, in fact, to go answer a phone or use a bathroom or something, the empty seat becomes, if you will, that person. And you point frequently to the empty seat and you say, "He or she wouldn't agree," and the empty chair is that person and the spatiality is crucial.
誰かが席を立って電話に出たりトイレに行くとき 空席とその人を結びつけることも現実にあります 空席を何度も指さしながら 「この人は賛成しないよ」と言うこともありますね 空席が人を意味するので 空間内の位置が重要です