And it was interesting to me -- my background is in sociology; I had no design training, and sometimes people say, well, that explains it -- but it was a very interesting experiment because there's no product that I had to sell; it was simply the image of Microsoft they were trying to improve.
Et ce qui a été intéressant pour moi -- ma formation est la sociologie; je n'ai pas eu de cours de design, et parfois les gens disent que ça explique pas mal de choses -- mais c'était très intéressant car je n'avais pas a vendre de produit; ils essayaient juste d'améliorer l'image de Microsoft.