CA: I mean, the psychologist Erik Erikson says that -- as I understand him and I'm a total amateur -- but that during 30s, 40s people are driven by this desire to grow and that's where they get their fulfillment.
CA : Le psychologue Erik Erikson dit que, tel que je le comprends et je suis un amateur total, mais à 30, 40 ans les gens sont poussés par le désir de grandir et c'est là qu'ils trouvent leur accomplissement,