And then the second one is -- if they feel like it, and they're not going to do it in every case, but in many they are -- they want to actually be able to sell that creation as a way of providing for their own livelihood.
et la seconde est que -- si ils veulent, et ils ne le feront pas toujours, mais souvent quand même -- ils veulent pouvoir vendre leurs créations pour subvenir à leurs propres besoins.