We have the human systems of how we communicate and interrelate and have our whole constructed society, We have the industrial systems, which is essentially the entire economy, and then all of that has to operate within the biggest system, and, I would argue, the most important, the ecosystem.
On a les systèmes humains de communication et d’interrelations et l'ensemble de notre construction sociale. On a les systèmes industriels, c'est-à-dire l'économie toute entière. Et tout ça opère dans le plus grand système qui, selon moi, est le plus important, l'écosystème.