translation.en: That's simply not necessarily true, and I think we can learn a lot from the experience of gay men in rich countries where treatment has been widely available for going on 15 years now.
translation.zh: 事实显然并非如此， 在发达国家艾滋病的治疗已经普及了15年， 我们可以在那些国家的男同性恋那里 学到很多教训，