translation.en: And I've nothing wrong with cake decoration and cake decorators, if anybody's involved in cake decorations -- it's not what I'm interested in doing.  And so, in the formation of things, in giving it form, in concretizing these things, it starts with some notion of how one organizes.
translation.zh: 而且我——我和蛋糕装饰和糕点师傅 还有任何与蛋糕装饰有关的人，从没任何过节—— 我对这种装点行为没有兴趣。 所以说，事物成型的过程，让它成型，赋予它—— 将它们实体化， 要从一我们对待“组织”的观点开始