translation.en: And because all of these people I started interviewing -- this was an interview which is over 30 years old -- so many of the people described this as a spontaneous flow that I called this type of experience the "flow experience."
translation.zh: 而我所采访的这些人 这是一个30年前的会议记录 很多人将此称为“即兴的流动” 这是我给过程起的名字是