translation.en: I was trying to get them to say what they probably wanted to say, to break out of their own cocoon of the public self, and the more public they had been, the more entrenched that person, that outer person was.
translation.zh: 但我想做的是让他们说出他们想说的话， 让他们从公众形象的束缚中挣脱出来。 他们作为公众人物的时间越长， 这种束缚就越发的根深蒂固。