translation.en: It's hard to get them to envision themselves as a scientist, which involves standing up in front of people like we're doing here at this symposium and presenting something as a knowledgeable person, and then seeing yourself in the role as a scientist and giving yourself the tools to pursue that.
translation.zh: 让他们把自己想象成科学家这一点很难， 这涉及到站在大家面前，就像我现在做的一样， 以有学之士的身份去展示一些东西， 然后就能看到你自己是作为一位科学家出现的 同时给你自己追求科学家这个梦想的能力。