translation.en: Again, what I'm trying to do is just illustrate the kinds of problems that I think face the designers of new computer systems and entertainment systems and educational systems from the perspective of the quality of that interface.
translation.zh: 然后, 我在这里要说明的是 这一类的问题 是新的电脑系统和娱乐系统以及 教育系统的设计者的问题, 从界面质量的角度来考虑.