translation.en: They didn't talk about vulnerability being comfortable, nor did they really talk about it being excruciating -- as I had heard it earlier in the shame interviewing.
translation.zh: 他们不认为脆弱 是寻求舒适， 也不认为脆弱是钻心的疼痛 -- 正如我之前在关于耻辱的采访中听到的。