translation.en: But, we've even had that here on stage, so don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about.  We had folks talking about the Flat Earth Society and flower arrangers, so there's this whole dichotomy that we continue to carry along, even when we know better.
translation.zh: 其实在这个舞台上我们就看到过这种现象。 所以你们不要假装不知道 我在说什么。 我们曾经有--- 曾经有同仁在这里谈论过地平协会和插花艺术。 所以这个“二分法” 将是长期存在的，尽管现在我们的知识比以前多得多。