translation.en: And it turned out that Joel and I were both bothered by the same thing, which was how so much of the debate was still focused on the science and how complete it was or wasn't, which, to both of us, seems somewhat intentionally off point.
translation.zh: 结果Joel和我两人 都为同一件事烦恼 太多的争论 都集中在科学方面 技术够不够完善 我俩觉得 这是离题的