translation.ar: نحن الذين عملنا في مجال السلوكيات، كنا نعرف بأن العقاب كان شيئا قد تم مناقشته ولكنه أيضا تم تضخيمه بشدة .
translation.en: We who had worked in behavior knew that punishment was something that was discussed but also that it was highly overvalued.