Retired Juggie > Ouch. That must hurt. And you met Stu Lang. Double ouch. Mind you, when I got CCL it was really heavy into making tin cans for soft drinks which made me think it had promise. It's come a very, very long way since then. Those I've thought about buying, or wanted to buy, over the years but didn't, for some reason or another, still cause me considerable pain. I imagine I'm not alone in that respect.