And, how would you know what Kerry did or did not do?  We have no direct ties with the North Koreans.  Everything we do with them is through a third party.  So, it begs the question - are you privy to the discussions we have with them by way of Sweden?  In April 2017 an American citizen by the name of Tony Kim, also known by the Korean name of Kim Sang-duk, was detained while attempting to leave North Korea through Pyongyang International Airport.  Tell me, what exactly is the current resident of 1600 doing about it?  What is Tillerson doing?