And as for "one kept a government in power, the other did not", if I recall correctly , the "argument and fury at the time was about "shutting down our democracy/ the people's chamber" (in fact one pollsters convoluted question referred to it as just that), not about keeping a government in power (although votes in the HOC can affect that - but that is NOT what was making the news at the time)

For someone who posts the ambiguous :

"Both can be 'wrong' ."

As opposed to to both ARE wrong (you certainly did not post that both/either are "right", I will wait for your opinion first..

I will retract that. You have deflected away from my original post, and have not offered an opinion on it.

My error in taking your deflection seriously.