Gary:  Stop already. There is information available at your fingertips that proves you are wrong. We are talking about the tram, you change the subject. The tram cost the city $8.5M in capital costs. They pay about 15% of the operating budget, which is covered by fares. The development value in South Waterfront covered the City's TIF outlays, leaving the City, AT WORST, revenue neutral.  So, to return to your original point, please tell us again where the City "lost" in this transaction. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it was a loser.